Doctor Who?

[Vladimir]

New Series 4; The Stolen Earth/Journey's End finale saw Davros and the Dalek Empire steal the Earth from its orbit to help power the Reality Bomb. Every person alive at the time (which includes Amy) saw the Dalek invasion and experienced the events of that time.

This is further referenced in The Waters of Mars special, where Adelaide Brook sees a Dalek during that time, is spared, and goes on to found the Mars base. The Doctor concludes that she was allowed to live because the Dalek knew she was part of a fixed point in Time.

If Amy knows nothing about these events, it indicates a different timeline is operating.

Yes I know about the reality bomb, and Tenet's brilliant acting that accompanied it . What is unclear is the time frame in which it occurred. I don't know what "year" it occurred in relative to the years Amelia (a much better name) is alive. No biggie; the scene just should have been reshot.

I don't see how the Waters of Mars episode relates to the new characters. I have mixed emotions about that episode. Bad writing I guess, but there were flashes of brilliance.

I don't read too much into it and just try to enjoy the episodes.

[miotas]

Yes I know about the reality bomb, and Tenet's brilliant acting that accompanied it . What is unclear is the time frame in which it occurred. I don't know what "year" it occurred in relative to the years Amelia (a much better name) is alive. No biggie; the scene just should have been reshot.

Relative to the Earth, it happened in 2009, so Amy was definitely alive and should have seen the Daleks along with every other human.

I don't see how the Waters of Mars episode relates to the new characters. I have mixed emotions about that episode. Bad writing I guess, but there were flashes of brilliance.

I don't read too much into it and just try to enjoy the episodes.

It doesn't really relate to the current events at all, but the fact that Adelaide Brook was inspired to go into space by coming face to face with a Dalek and living is just further proof that every person should know about the Daleks.

[Vladimir]

Ahh, it's the crack. I never thought crack would be such an interesting plot device.

[Justiciar]

Not sure it merits a thread all of its own, though given earlier mention here..

Did anyone watch the Ashes to Ashes finale? Not sure whether or not I actually liked it, but I certianly won't forget it. One or two things I genuinely didn't see coming. And I was on the brink of becoming a blubbering wuss at the end. Left me with an odd feeling. Which is a good thing.

[tibilicus]

Not sure it merits a thread all of its own, though given earlier mention here..

Did anyone watch the Ashes to Ashes finale? Not sure whether or not I actually liked it, but I certianly won't forget it. One or two things I genuinely didn't see coming. And I was on the brink of becoming a blubbering wuss at the end. Left me with an odd feeling. Which is a good thing.

Good ending. I like how the focus on Chris,Ray and Shaz also fitted in. All the challenges they've had to overcome in this season, Chris standing up to Gene, for example, to reflect the fact he died in the real world because he was to submissive and obeyed orders added a nice depth to the show. The guy who played Jim Keates was also on top form this episode and Keates added a real kick to the third season that the first two lacked.

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I didn't really find the end that sad surprisingly, probably because I'm more of a casual viewer but also because I kind of suspected it. I'm kind of on the fence as to whether they should do another Ashes to Ashes type series, I would probably prefer it if they didn't though. Whilst it would be interesting to see how Gene Hunt assumed the role of "Sheppard to the lost coppers"; I think some things are best left to the imagination. Also it wouldn't be the same now the mystery of the show is gone. It also has to be noted how excellent it was that all this time, the show was never about Tyler or Drake, it was about Gene. I guess the servants of God really are whiskey swigging foul mouthed coppers. I like that concept.

Also I think it probably does deserve its own thread as due to the recent high quality of Ashes to Ashes and the recent poor quality of Doctor Who, the former is upstaging the latter.

[Justiciar]

Keates was grand, aye. Whoever cast that guy was a bloody genius.

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I love how he visibly changed throughout the series. Purely down to the actor. They didn't so much as touch his costume in the final episode. And yet he managed to turn the concerned bureaucrat from the first episode into.. uh.. what the deuce was that? All he did was remove his glasses. And start barking like a rabid dog. I kind of guessed he personified death in some manner or other. Largely down to his constant talk of "shutting the place down". Never figured the connection would be so literal, though.

And heaven's a cozy old pub in Manchester. True, that.

[tibilicus]

Keates was grand, aye. Whoever cast that guy was a bloody genius.

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I love how he visibly changed throughout the series. Purely down to the actor. They didn't so much as touch his costume in the final episode. And yet he managed to turn the concerned bureaucrat from the first episode into.. uh.. what the deuce was that? All he did was remove his glasses. And start barking like a rabid dog. I kind of guessed he personified death in some manner or other. Largely down to his constant talk of "shutting the place down". Never figured the connection would be so literal, though.

And heaven's a cozy old pub in Manchester. True, that.

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I believe Keates was Satan, or at least some personification of Satan. The way he tried to literally drag the three to hell was quite simplistic but really effective. Also I think further hints of him being Satan are given when Viv dies. Gene states that Viv was a "good man", suggesting he didn't deserve the fate which awaited him, as can be seen when Chris has a vision of him surrounded by flames.

I guess Gene always knew who he was. He probably couldn't tell the others though as they wouldn't believe him and hadn't accepted their own deaths yet. Although one thing which I don't get. Gene Hunt died in what, 1952? How can he construct a world of the 70s and 80s? I guess we're now talking about matters of the divine so its plausible..

[Vladimir]

Not sure it merits a thread all of its own, though given earlier mention here..

Did anyone watch the Ashes to Ashes finale? Not sure whether or not I actually liked it, but I certianly won't forget it. One or two things I genuinely didn't see coming. And I was on the brink of becoming a blubbering wuss at the end. Left me with an odd feeling. Which is a good thing.

I haven't seen the series lately but it's coming back. For some reason BBC decided Star Trek was good British telley and Gordon Ramsay is the foreign secretary.