The United Kingdom Elections 2010

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Whoever wins tomorrow, you can bet that in 2 years time, the rich will have got richer, and the poor will have got poorer.

LOL

Heard a blurb on NPR yesterday suggesting that England's currency was going to take a pounding if there was a hung parliament because "Europe wanted a clear decision." This was a follow-on line to a brief discussion of the Euro's getting hammered because of the currency market's assessment of the Greek debacle.

Sound right to you folks in Blighty?

Possibly, a Hung Parliament would reduce the likelyhood of rapid reforms and cuts, but I think the markets will hold off to see in we do our usual thing of "pulling together" during a crisis.

So I'd give it a couple of weeks, possibly months, before panicking.

[Furunculus]

Final prediction from me:

Cons 325
Lab 200
Lib 90

Fractional Tory working majority given that Sinn Fein don't vote in Westminster.

[Furunculus]

anyone else going to join the election sweep-stakes:

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JAG (27/02/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2440038

Furunculus (06/05/10) - Narrow Conservative win:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2483692

Furunculus (29/04/10) - Narrow Conservative win:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2459341
Furunculus (29/03/10) - Narrow Conservative win:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2459341

Idaho (16/04/10) - Narrow Labour win:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2471029

Rory (16/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2471056

CountArch (30/04/10) - Conservative led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480544

CountArch (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476911

Banquo's Ghost (29/04/10) - Conservative led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480078

Banquo's Ghost (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476913

Louis (06/05/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2483786

Louis (29/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480070
Louis (23/04/10) - Labour led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476925

Tbilicus (05/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2482362

Tbilicus (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476926

Insane Apache (02/05/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2481378

Insane Apache (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476935

Beskar (23/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2477082

Alh_P (29/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480111

Seamus Fermanagh (30/04/10) - Conservative led hung parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480262

Subotan (30/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480536

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and have i missed anyone out?

p.s. you can can change your vote, but the original will also be retained..........

voting closes at 5:30pm today, make your changes asap.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Whoever wins tomorrow, you can bet that in 2 years time, the rich will have got richer, and the poor will have got poorer.

Britain still has the US and Singapore to overtake! Then it will be the industrial nation with the most uneven income distribution of all!

Income inequality in Britain is now back to the level of the Victorian age. Back, too, is the tendency to blame poverty on a moral deficit of the lower class. Dickens is turning in his grave. Gone too, is social mobility - now the lowest in Europe. The UK is a class society again.

Last year, the richest ten percent of Britons got 30% wealthier. Crisis? What crisis? The largest transfer of money from the poor to the rich since the Industrial Revolution. The bill will still have to be paid, the money has been borrowed by the state. This election is about who is going to pay for it the next few decades: the recipients of the handouts, i.e., Britain's wealthy and the international billionaire club in the City, or Britain's tax paying working classes?


I blame NuLab for not having done more in the past thirteen years for it's natural base: working class Britons. Miss Duffy indeed. But whereas she is 'that bigoted woman' to which Blair and Brown are deaf and blind, the Cons are always worse still. Their philosophy is based on thinking of this woman as morally deficit, inferior. Her little pocket change benefit fraud - barely a fraction of what the rich manage in tax evasions - the cause of Britain's financial woes. A woman not worthy of equal education, nor her children or grandchildren. A woman of another Britain, inferior Briton.

[Furunculus]

lol, i don't recognise that description of the tories.

[Furunculus]

the ten canary seats that will indicate in whose favour the vote surge is going:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/elec...ion-night.html

[Rhyfelwyr]

BNP candidate batters Asians

I think what Griffin said is true, the media are trying to turn the BNP into the axis of evil. Which is pointless and unfair, since they are mostly disaffected Labour voters. Most people I know that support them are old women.

[al Roumi]

BNP candidate batters Asians

I think what Griffin said is true, the media are trying to turn the BNP into the axis of evil. Which is pointless and unfair, since they are mostly disaffected Labour voters. Most people I know that support them are old women.

Eh? What part of being a disaffected labour voter is it that means one is right to vote BNP???

If the BNP were given any power they would only extend the current misery their voters might experience to others, through some appalingly misguided policies that have little or nothing to do with the economic or political interests of the country. How on earth is that a good thing?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Final prediction from me:

Cons 325
Lab 200
Lib 90

Cons 285
Lab 255
LibDem 85
Furthermore, I also predict the remaining parties will take all remaining seats.

Thank you, Furunculus, for keeping track of our predicitions. Good fun.

BNP candidate batters Asians

Disgusting, both groups of men. Off to gaol with the lot of them.

[Furunculus]

Furthermore, I also predict the remaining parties will take all remaining seats.

Thank you, Furunculus, for keeping track of our predicitions. Good fun.

A very astute observation! :p

My pleasure

[Furunculus]

just louis and I with final day predictions so far, anyone else going to join in with seat predictions for the big three?

[Furunculus]

anyone else going to join the election sweep-stakes:

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JAG (27/02/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2440038

Furunculus (06/05/10) - Narrow Conservative win:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2483692

Furunculus (29/04/10) - Narrow Conservative win:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2459341
Furunculus (29/03/10) - Narrow Conservative win:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2459341

Idaho (16/04/10) - Narrow Labour win:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2471029

Rory (16/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2471056

CountArch (30/04/10) - Conservative led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480544

CountArch (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476911

Banquo's Ghost (29/04/10) - Conservative led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480078

Banquo's Ghost (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476913

Louis (06/05/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2483786

Louis (29/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480070
Louis (23/04/10) - Labour led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476925

Tbilicus (05/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2482362

Tbilicus (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476926

Insane Apache (02/05/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2481378

Insane Apache (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476935

Beskar (23/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2477082

Alh_P (29/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480111

Seamus Fermanagh (30/04/10) - Conservative led hung parliament:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480262

Subotan (30/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480536

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Furunculus = Cons 325 / Lab 200 / Lib 90
Louis = Cons 285 / Lab 255 / Lib 85

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and have i missed anyone out?

p.s. you can can change your vote, but the original will also be retained..........

[edit]
voting closes at 7:00pm today, make your changes asap.
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[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I blame NuLab for not having done more in the past thirteen years for it's natural base: working class Britons. Miss Duffy indeed. But whereas she is 'that bigoted woman' to which Blair and Brown are deaf and blind, the Cons are always worse still. Their philosophy is based on thinking of this woman as morally deficit, inferior. Her little pocket change benefit fraud - barely a fraction of what the rich manage in tax evasions - the cause of Britain's financial woes. A woman not worthy of equal education, nor her children or grandchildren. A woman of another Britain, inferior Briton.

This is complete rubbish, unmitigated hogwash upon which I am forced to pour utter scorn.

I am sorry Loius, but this reads like a Marxist describing the Upper Class, and the Upper Class have never had a Marxist understanding of their own position.

In any case, the working class effectively don't pay tax, especially as most of them are now on benefits.

Face it, social mobility improved under the "nasty" party, and now it has decreased under Labour.

As to my prediction, I think a Conservative majority of no more than 40, possibly more than 30. How the Left wing will break up, I don't know.

[al Roumi]

In less turgid news, the BBC has a link to politics-related sketches. I particularily appreciated The Minister for Cuts although neither black adder or Yes minister worked (probably a bit overloaded).

Enjoy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/extra/collections/p007jyx1

[Furunculus]

a list of all the major newspapers and who they are backing, including who they backed last time where that has changed:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/elec...election0605am

[Rhyfelwyr]

Disgusting, both groups of men. Off to gaol with the lot of them.

How so? The Asian guy spat in his face so the BNP guy battered him. Good for him I say, a politician from any other party would no doubt have taken the 'brave and noble' option rofl.

Eh? What part of being a disaffected labour voter is it that means one is right to vote BNP???

If the BNP were given any power they would only extend the current misery their voters might experience to others, through some appalingly misguided policies that have little or nothing to do with the economic or political interests of the country. How on earth is that a good thing?

People want the BNP to be the axis of evil, so they ignore everything to the contrary and demonise BNP supporters so they can make it so in their head. The fact is, the majority of BNP supporters are not the skinhead thugs you want them to be, just ordinary working class folk who don't know muhc about politics and feel cheated by their traditional party of choice.

Do I like the BNP? No. Do I sympathise with the BNP's policies? No. Do I sympathise with the average BNP voter? Yes.

[rory_20_uk]

Prescott anyone? How many times did that obese moron lash out without it being made political?

If someone in th BNP farted whilst facing East that'd make the news as another attack on Islam...

[Furunculus]

How so? The Asian guy spat in his face so the BNP guy battered him. Good for him I say, a politician from any other party would no doubt have taken the 'brave and noble' option rofl.



People want the BNP to be the axis of evil, so they ignore everything to the contrary and demonise BNP supporters so they can make it so in their head. The fact is, the majority of BNP supporters are not the skinhead thugs you want them to be, just ordinary working class folk who don't know muhc about politics and feel cheated by their traditional party of choice.

Do I like the BNP? No. Do I sympathise with the BNP's policies? No. Do I sympathise with the average BNP voter? Yes.

agreed. totally.

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any more seat predictions?

[tibilicus]

Well it seems most people my age still view the Tory party as the "nasty party". I've also spoken to a lot of people today who decided to put an X next to their local Labour candidate. Apparently Brown should be void of all blame in regards to our current financial state. Apparently Labour couldn't of avoided doubling the national debt, it was out of their hands.

I don't think it's so much we need a Conservative government, I just feel that after 13 years Labour are completely detached from the electorate.

It will be interesting to see the exit polls around 10ish. I'll post them here for those not in the UK and those who don't want to stay up all night watching the results come in. They generally give us an idea which party has one the most seats and shouldn't be to far outside the end total for number of seats won.

[rory_20_uk]

Imagine having two parents. One is always buying toys for the children, fancy foods and days out. The other one doesn't, saying that there isn't the money and they've got to cut back to pay off the credit card debts, and the underpayments on the Mortgage.

The children love the first parent for all the nice gifts and a wonderful time. The second parent is hated as being stingy and a kill joy.

Never is the lack of money consciously pinned on the actions of the first...

[Louis VI the Fat]

People want the BNP to be the axis of evil, so they ignore everything to the contrary and demonise BNP supporters so they can make it so in their head. The fact is, the majority of BNP supporters are not the skinhead thugs you want them to be, just ordinary working class folk who don't know muhc about politics and feel cheated by their traditional party of choice.

Do I like the BNP? No. Do I sympathise with the BNP's policies? No. Do I sympathise with the average BNP voter? Yes.

Yes, and the majority of Nazis have never killed a Jew with their own hands either.

Nazi thugs they are, the BNP. I, for one, will never ever forgive the BNP / Eriksen for their saying that ´women are like gongs - they need to be struck regularly':

Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal…To suggest that rape, when conducted without violence, is a serious crime is like suggesting force-feeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence.

[Furunculus]

and you wonder why, despite being utterly repellent thugs, people still continue to vote for them..............?

[al Roumi]

People want the BNP to be the axis of evil, so they ignore everything to the contrary and demonise BNP supporters so they can make it so in their head. The fact is, the majority of BNP supporters are not the skinhead thugs you want them to be, just ordinary working class folk who don't know muhc about politics and feel cheated by their traditional party of choice.

Do I like the BNP? No. Do I sympathise with the BNP's policies? No. Do I sympathise with the average BNP voter? Yes.

Right, so BNP supporters in effect don't know better -i'd agree with that, and extend it to the majority of the electorate (especially as we've not really seen any proposals for dealing with the deficit).

I'm under no illusion that there are misguided people who support the most heinous of proposals without being outright evil, but that is what the whole of politics is about to me: the fight for the minds of voters. For the BNP, that battle is won by convincing people that they are poor because of foreigners and would ergo be better off without them around.

[rory_20_uk]

My Grandmother will not vote Tory due to what Churchill did to the Miners...

I imagine that most BNP voters are not aware of this statement, rather like Tory / labour voters were not implicitly backing the MPs expenses.

[Louis VI the Fat]

and you wonder why, despite being utterly repellent thugs, people still continue to vote for them..............?

As a matter of fact, I do wonder, yes.


Here you go: a record haul of home-made chemicals for terrorist attacks, not from the IRA or Pakistanis, but the BNP:

Chemicals Find: Two In Court
TWO Pendle men have appeared before Pennine magistrates accused of having "a master plan" after what is believed to be a record haul of chemicals used in making home-made bombs was found in Colne.
Robert Cottage (49), of Talbot Street, Colne, and David Bolus Jackson (62), of Trent Road, Nelson, made separate appearances before the court charged with being in possession of an explosive substance for an unlawful purpose.

Cottage is an ex-BNP member who stood as a candidate in the Pendle Council elections in May.

Mrs Christiana Buchanan, who appeared for the prosecution in Jackson's case, alleged the pair had "some kind of masterplan".
She said a search of Jackson's home had uncovered rocket launchers, chemicals, BNP literature and a nuclear biological suit.

[Louis VI the Fat]

My Grandmother will not vote Tory due to what Churchill did to the Miners...

I imagine that most BNP voters are not aware of this statement, rather like Tory / labour voters were not implicitly backing the MPs expenses.

You wouldn't seriously compare advocting mass rape of British women with an expenses scandal?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Actually, the more I read about it, the more I wish we had a true equivalent to the BNP here in the USA. I mean, think about it, Pretty much ALL of the potentially dangerous right-wing nutters in one group where the police can infiltrate and stay ahead of them easily. Now THAT is efficient.

[rory_20_uk]

I am comparing ignorance to events.

[Furunculus]

will labour fall foul of the golden rule of electoral polling:

http://www4.politicalbetting.com/ind...ive-the-night/

i.e. whenever polls have been tested against real election results it’s been the survey with Labour in the least favourable position that has been the most accurate.

[Beskar]

Actually, the more I read about it, the more I wish we had a true equivalent to the BNP here in the USA. I mean, think about it, Pretty much ALL of the potentially dangerous right-wing nutters in one group where the police can infiltrate and stay ahead of them easily. Now THAT is efficient.

I thought you had one. The Republican party.