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    Meanwhile, back in the jungle....

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    When I look back on it now what surprises me is how disarmingly polite my attackers were.


    "What are you doing?" asked one of the two, seemingly inquisitive, Asian teenagers who approached me on a quiet cul-de-sac in Bow, east London, shortly after 1pm yesterday.

    "There's been a photographer around here, do you know her?" he added.
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    I didn't, but I explained I was a journalist for The Independent looking to speak to a man at an address in the area, who was standing as a candidate in the local elections, about allegations of postal vote fraud. "Can we see your note pad," the boy asked.

    I declined and then the first punch came – landing straight on my nose, sending blood and tears streaming down my face. Then another. Then another.

    I tried to protect myself but a fresh crop of attackers – I guess between four and six – joined in. As they knocked me to the ground one of them brought a traffic cone repeatedly down on the back of my head.

    As their fists and feet slammed into me, all I could think about was some advice a friend had given me. She's a paramedic and has dealt with countless victims of assault. "Whatever you do don't get knocked to the ground," she once said. "Blows on the floor are much more dangerous." It seemed faintly absurd now. "That's easy for you to say," I thought. "How on earth are you meant to stay up?"

    I don't know how long it lasted – it was probably only a minute – but it was a long minute. I don't remember them saying anything as they did it. The first noise I was aware of was the beeping of a car horn and a woman screaming.

    The noise brought a man out of a nearby block of flats. With little regard for his own safety he waded in and defended me until my attackers ran away.

    I shudder to think what would have happened if he hadn't been brave enough to take action and I cannot thank him enough for what he did. He gave me a bottle of water to wash the blood away and showed me a mobile phone that one of the attackers had dropped which he later handed to the police. He also maintained that he saw at least two of the attackers run into the candidate's house.

    What brought me to Bow yesterday were allegations of widespread postal voting fraud. Both the local Conservative and Respect parties in Tower Hamlets have been looking through the new electoral rolls for properties that have an alarmingly high number of adults registered to one address. The area has a large Bengali population and this type of fraud is unfortunately all too common. In some instances there have been as many as 20 Bengali names supposedly living in two or three-bedroom flats. When journalists have previously called, all too often there are far fewer living there. In some instances, no Bengalis at all.

    In such a heavily populated borough, a few fraudulent postal votes might not sound like it matters but when you look at how slim the majorities are here you know every vote counts. In Bethnal Green and Bow, Respect has a tiny 1,300-vote lead. In neighbouring Poplar and Limehouse, where George Galloway is taking on Labour's Jim Fitzpatrick and Tory newcomer Tim Archer, the lead is around 4,000. But boundary changes have brought thousands of affluent Tory-leaning voters into the constituency, making it an equally tight race.

    So far Scotland Yard is looking into 28 allegations of bogus voter registration in London, although the Conservative and Respect parties both say they have highlighted many more. Concerns have been amplified by a flood of new voter registrations in the past few weeks in the run-up to the nationwide deadline on 20 April. Election officials in Tower Hamlets have removed 141 suspect ballots from the register but overall 5,166 new names were received before the deadline with little time to check their veracity.

    Bengalis do tend to have large families and this is the third most deprived borough in the country. Overcrowding is a serious issue. But other Bengalis I know in the area had told me that it was very unusual to have any more than five adults in one house. The households are large, they said, because they have lots of children – not lots of adults.

    Thinking back on my experience perhaps I was naïve to venture into the area on my own, although I do live in east London, know the estates well and have rarely felt threatened. My Bengali neighbours, meanwhile, are particularly kind and well-liked because they tend to keep a tighter leash on their kids.

    The paramedics who treated me told me that they rarely went into the area without a police escort. "These kids are trapped in an endless cycle of poverty," one of them said. "There's a lot of drugs and gang-related violence but it is rare for a stranger like you to be attacked."

    The slight difference, of course, is that I'm not a stranger in the normal sense. Whoever these kids were it was evident that they were no strangers to the occasional journalist and photographer sniffing around.

    Last night, I managed to speak to the man I wanted to interview about the alleged fraud, and whose house I was outside when I was attacked. He said: "I am not going to talk to you about this. Why have you been knocking on my door. You don't disturb me. If you knock on my door again I will take you to court."

    Police probe voter fraud

    *Police forces across the country are investigating over 50 complaints of voting abuses, including 10 complaints passed to the police in Tower Hamlets where The Independent journalist Jerome Taylor was attacked.

    Tower Hamlets Council confirmed it had asked the police to investigate 10 cases of voter fraud in its area, but it revealed that 3,123 late applications have been received for postal votes and it has had too little time to properly check whether they are all genuine before the register closed.

    That could open the poll in the two constituencies in Tower Hamlets – Bethnal Green and Bow and Poplar and Limehouse – to massive postal voter fraud. Respect is in a bitter fight to retain the highly marginal Bethnal Green seat – vacated by Respect MP George Galloway, who is standing in neighbouring Poplar and Limehouse – and, in an unprecedented development in British politics, all the candidates of the main parties are Bangladeshi Muslims.

    The council said it would support calls to change the rules after Thursday's elections, to provide more time for checks to be carried out on late postal vote applications. "That could mean closing applications for postal votes at least four days before the normal voter registration process closes."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Oh, please!
    'We ourselves are elightened, but hey, the unwashed masses will have none of it, so what can we do, eh?'
    What hypocrisy, what lack of moral backbone, what unwillingness to accept responsibility for one's own thoughts and actions.
    It reduces the white working class to the bigots of Brown, far inferior to the superior elite. The sole difference that Brown does not whereas the Tories will listen to the bigots, will be their humble servants.
    It maintains the same elitist snobbery of the working class of Brown, but adds hypocricisy and cowardice to it.
    stop tying yourself in knots, what you state is not representative of what i said.

    it is a fact that the working class have the most to lose from uncontrolled immigration, as it pools in their communities and 'takes' their jobs. it is 100% not elitist or snobbish to recognise that ill and then seek to remedy it.

    there are bigots everywhere, but I am not the one labelling the entire working class as bigoted, i leave that to gordon brown and yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    I am going to have a third vote on election day itself...
    That's the ticket! Vote early, vote often!
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    Meanwhile, back in the jungle....

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    When I look back on it now what surprises me is how disarmingly polite my attackers were.


    "What are you doing?" asked one of the two, seemingly inquisitive, Asian teenagers who approached me on a quiet cul-de-sac in Bow, east London, shortly after 1pm yesterday.

    "There's been a photographer around here, do you know her?" he added.
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    I didn't, but I explained I was a journalist for The Independent looking to speak to a man at an address in the area, who was standing as a candidate in the local elections, about allegations of postal vote fraud. "Can we see your note pad," the boy asked.

    I declined and then the first punch came – landing straight on my nose, sending blood and tears streaming down my face. Then another. Then another.

    I tried to protect myself but a fresh crop of attackers – I guess between four and six – joined in. As they knocked me to the ground one of them brought a traffic cone repeatedly down on the back of my head.

    As their fists and feet slammed into me, all I could think about was some advice a friend had given me. She's a paramedic and has dealt with countless victims of assault. "Whatever you do don't get knocked to the ground," she once said. "Blows on the floor are much more dangerous." It seemed faintly absurd now. "That's easy for you to say," I thought. "How on earth are you meant to stay up?"

    I don't know how long it lasted – it was probably only a minute – but it was a long minute. I don't remember them saying anything as they did it. The first noise I was aware of was the beeping of a car horn and a woman screaming.

    The noise brought a man out of a nearby block of flats. With little regard for his own safety he waded in and defended me until my attackers ran away.

    I shudder to think what would have happened if he hadn't been brave enough to take action and I cannot thank him enough for what he did. He gave me a bottle of water to wash the blood away and showed me a mobile phone that one of the attackers had dropped which he later handed to the police. He also maintained that he saw at least two of the attackers run into the candidate's house.

    What brought me to Bow yesterday were allegations of widespread postal voting fraud. Both the local Conservative and Respect parties in Tower Hamlets have been looking through the new electoral rolls for properties that have an alarmingly high number of adults registered to one address. The area has a large Bengali population and this type of fraud is unfortunately all too common. In some instances there have been as many as 20 Bengali names supposedly living in two or three-bedroom flats. When journalists have previously called, all too often there are far fewer living there. In some instances, no Bengalis at all.

    In such a heavily populated borough, a few fraudulent postal votes might not sound like it matters but when you look at how slim the majorities are here you know every vote counts. In Bethnal Green and Bow, Respect has a tiny 1,300-vote lead. In neighbouring Poplar and Limehouse, where George Galloway is taking on Labour's Jim Fitzpatrick and Tory newcomer Tim Archer, the lead is around 4,000. But boundary changes have brought thousands of affluent Tory-leaning voters into the constituency, making it an equally tight race.

    So far Scotland Yard is looking into 28 allegations of bogus voter registration in London, although the Conservative and Respect parties both say they have highlighted many more. Concerns have been amplified by a flood of new voter registrations in the past few weeks in the run-up to the nationwide deadline on 20 April. Election officials in Tower Hamlets have removed 141 suspect ballots from the register but overall 5,166 new names were received before the deadline with little time to check their veracity.

    Bengalis do tend to have large families and this is the third most deprived borough in the country. Overcrowding is a serious issue. But other Bengalis I know in the area had told me that it was very unusual to have any more than five adults in one house. The households are large, they said, because they have lots of children – not lots of adults.

    Thinking back on my experience perhaps I was naïve to venture into the area on my own, although I do live in east London, know the estates well and have rarely felt threatened. My Bengali neighbours, meanwhile, are particularly kind and well-liked because they tend to keep a tighter leash on their kids.

    The paramedics who treated me told me that they rarely went into the area without a police escort. "These kids are trapped in an endless cycle of poverty," one of them said. "There's a lot of drugs and gang-related violence but it is rare for a stranger like you to be attacked."

    The slight difference, of course, is that I'm not a stranger in the normal sense. Whoever these kids were it was evident that they were no strangers to the occasional journalist and photographer sniffing around.

    Last night, I managed to speak to the man I wanted to interview about the alleged fraud, and whose house I was outside when I was attacked. He said: "I am not going to talk to you about this. Why have you been knocking on my door. You don't disturb me. If you knock on my door again I will take you to court."

    Police probe voter fraud

    *Police forces across the country are investigating over 50 complaints of voting abuses, including 10 complaints passed to the police in Tower Hamlets where The Independent journalist Jerome Taylor was attacked.

    Tower Hamlets Council confirmed it had asked the police to investigate 10 cases of voter fraud in its area, but it revealed that 3,123 late applications have been received for postal votes and it has had too little time to properly check whether they are all genuine before the register closed.

    That could open the poll in the two constituencies in Tower Hamlets – Bethnal Green and Bow and Poplar and Limehouse – to massive postal voter fraud. Respect is in a bitter fight to retain the highly marginal Bethnal Green seat – vacated by Respect MP George Galloway, who is standing in neighbouring Poplar and Limehouse – and, in an unprecedented development in British politics, all the candidates of the main parties are Bangladeshi Muslims.

    The council said it would support calls to change the rules after Thursday's elections, to provide more time for checks to be carried out on late postal vote applications. "That could mean closing applications for postal votes at least four days before the normal voter registration process closes."


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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    Meanwhile, back in the jungle....

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    When I look back on it now what surprises me is how disarmingly polite my attackers were.


    "What are you doing?" asked one of the two, seemingly inquisitive, Asian teenagers who approached me on a quiet cul-de-sac in Bow, east London, shortly after 1pm yesterday.

    "There's been a photographer around here, do you know her?" he added.
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    I didn't, but I explained I was a journalist for The Independent looking to speak to a man at an address in the area, who was standing as a candidate in the local elections, about allegations of postal vote fraud. "Can we see your note pad," the boy asked.

    I declined and then the first punch came – landing straight on my nose, sending blood and tears streaming down my face. Then another. Then another.

    I tried to protect myself but a fresh crop of attackers – I guess between four and six – joined in. As they knocked me to the ground one of them brought a traffic cone repeatedly down on the back of my head.

    As their fists and feet slammed into me, all I could think about was some advice a friend had given me. She's a paramedic and has dealt with countless victims of assault. "Whatever you do don't get knocked to the ground," she once said. "Blows on the floor are much more dangerous." It seemed faintly absurd now. "That's easy for you to say," I thought. "How on earth are you meant to stay up?"

    I don't know how long it lasted – it was probably only a minute – but it was a long minute. I don't remember them saying anything as they did it. The first noise I was aware of was the beeping of a car horn and a woman screaming.

    The noise brought a man out of a nearby block of flats. With little regard for his own safety he waded in and defended me until my attackers ran away.

    I shudder to think what would have happened if he hadn't been brave enough to take action and I cannot thank him enough for what he did. He gave me a bottle of water to wash the blood away and showed me a mobile phone that one of the attackers had dropped which he later handed to the police. He also maintained that he saw at least two of the attackers run into the candidate's house.

    What brought me to Bow yesterday were allegations of widespread postal voting fraud. Both the local Conservative and Respect parties in Tower Hamlets have been looking through the new electoral rolls for properties that have an alarmingly high number of adults registered to one address. The area has a large Bengali population and this type of fraud is unfortunately all too common. In some instances there have been as many as 20 Bengali names supposedly living in two or three-bedroom flats. When journalists have previously called, all too often there are far fewer living there. In some instances, no Bengalis at all.

    In such a heavily populated borough, a few fraudulent postal votes might not sound like it matters but when you look at how slim the majorities are here you know every vote counts. In Bethnal Green and Bow, Respect has a tiny 1,300-vote lead. In neighbouring Poplar and Limehouse, where George Galloway is taking on Labour's Jim Fitzpatrick and Tory newcomer Tim Archer, the lead is around 4,000. But boundary changes have brought thousands of affluent Tory-leaning voters into the constituency, making it an equally tight race.

    So far Scotland Yard is looking into 28 allegations of bogus voter registration in London, although the Conservative and Respect parties both say they have highlighted many more. Concerns have been amplified by a flood of new voter registrations in the past few weeks in the run-up to the nationwide deadline on 20 April. Election officials in Tower Hamlets have removed 141 suspect ballots from the register but overall 5,166 new names were received before the deadline with little time to check their veracity.

    Bengalis do tend to have large families and this is the third most deprived borough in the country. Overcrowding is a serious issue. But other Bengalis I know in the area had told me that it was very unusual to have any more than five adults in one house. The households are large, they said, because they have lots of children – not lots of adults.

    Thinking back on my experience perhaps I was naïve to venture into the area on my own, although I do live in east London, know the estates well and have rarely felt threatened. My Bengali neighbours, meanwhile, are particularly kind and well-liked because they tend to keep a tighter leash on their kids.

    The paramedics who treated me told me that they rarely went into the area without a police escort. "These kids are trapped in an endless cycle of poverty," one of them said. "There's a lot of drugs and gang-related violence but it is rare for a stranger like you to be attacked."

    The slight difference, of course, is that I'm not a stranger in the normal sense. Whoever these kids were it was evident that they were no strangers to the occasional journalist and photographer sniffing around.

    Last night, I managed to speak to the man I wanted to interview about the alleged fraud, and whose house I was outside when I was attacked. He said: "I am not going to talk to you about this. Why have you been knocking on my door. You don't disturb me. If you knock on my door again I will take you to court."

    Police probe voter fraud

    *Police forces across the country are investigating over 50 complaints of voting abuses, including 10 complaints passed to the police in Tower Hamlets where The Independent journalist Jerome Taylor was attacked.

    Tower Hamlets Council confirmed it had asked the police to investigate 10 cases of voter fraud in its area, but it revealed that 3,123 late applications have been received for postal votes and it has had too little time to properly check whether they are all genuine before the register closed.

    That could open the poll in the two constituencies in Tower Hamlets – Bethnal Green and Bow and Poplar and Limehouse – to massive postal voter fraud. Respect is in a bitter fight to retain the highly marginal Bethnal Green seat – vacated by Respect MP George Galloway, who is standing in neighbouring Poplar and Limehouse – and, in an unprecedented development in British politics, all the candidates of the main parties are Bangladeshi Muslims.

    The council said it would support calls to change the rules after Thursday's elections, to provide more time for checks to be carried out on late postal vote applications. "That could mean closing applications for postal votes at least four days before the normal voter registration process closes."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    That's the ticket! Vote early, vote often!

    lol, but it is interesting to see how the collective opinion morphs over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    dossn't make them bigots, which the BNP are.
    I don't think they are bigots. I think they are generally doddering fools who haven't got a scooby about real politics.

    Tories are usually Established Church, Labour are Catholic, and the Lib-Dems are non conformists (and now Atheists).
    Eh? The Labour party originated out of the dissenter/methodist/baptist branch of christianity. No idea where you got the idea they were catholics.
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    Eh? The Labour party originated out of the dissenter/methodist/baptist branch of christianity. No idea where you got the idea they were catholics.
    Used to be different. Labour originated out of socialism and trade-unionism, typically non-religious. Though there was much methodist/etc support.

    The Whigs (later Liberals) were for Catholic emancipation.

    The Tories come from the more royalist branches, the former cavaliers, the supporters of King Charles during the Civil war, however, the more modern conservatives branched out from the Whig party after the reign of Pitt the Younger. The most amusingly, the most worthwhile thing the Conservatives did was unintentionally expand the vote to all house owners, which gave more power to the working and middle classes in the 1867 second reform act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    The most amusing thing the Conservatives did was unintentionally expand the vote to all house owners, which gave more power to the working and middle classes in the 1867 second reform act.
    surely you mean "worthwhile"..........?
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    surely you mean "worthwhile"..........?
    I would said "worthwhile", but they did it unintentionally, which is why i said "amusing" as they did something worthwhile by unintented consequence. But you are correct, I should have used a different word, or even "amusingly worthwhile"
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    A couple of polls from tonight.
    YouGov/Sun
    CON 35%(nc), LAB 30%(+2), LDEM 24%(-4)

    ComRes
    CON 37%(nc), LAB 29%(nc), LDEM 26%(nc)

    As you can see, if the polls are to be believed, the lib dem surge is collapsing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Used to be different. Labour originated out of socialism and trade-unionism, typically non-religious. Though there was much methodist/etc support.

    The Whigs (later Liberals) were for Catholic emancipation.

    The Tories come from the more royalist branches, the former cavaliers, the supporters of King Charles during the Civil war, however, the more modern conservatives branched out from the Whig party after the reign of Pitt the Younger. The most amusingly, the most worthwhile thing the Conservatives did was unintentionally expand the vote to all house owners, which gave more power to the working and middle classes in the 1867 second reform act.
    Disraeli deliberately expanded the franchise, something Palmaston refused to do. Disraeli persuaded the Tories that the new voters would be Tory, but whether he believed that or not remains an unanswered question.

    Regarding religion, I was talking more about current trends, Labour has the highest number of Catholics, especially among Blairites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tibilicus View Post
    As you can see, if the polls are to be believed, the lib dem surge is collapsing.
    If that were true then both polls would have shown it. Drawing too much of a conclusion from one poll is a bad option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountArach View Post
    If that were true then both polls would have shown it. Drawing too much of a conclusion from one poll is a bad option.
    ComRes, Youguv, Opinum and ICM have shown a drop in lib dem support in the past couple of days. A week ago they were polling any where from 28-32%. Whilst it may not seen to significant to see them drop to the 26-28% region I personally still expect that the lib dems will fail to materialise on the support come election day. Don't get me wrong, even if they poll 26%+ it's a fantastic achievement, I just think the dreams of a weak ago where there was talk of the lib dems gaining 90 seats or more wont happen.

    Basically I'm of the belief that the support for them is "soft". I think on Thursday they will struggle to gain a uniform swing.
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    anyone else going to join the election sweep-stakes:

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    JAG (27/02/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2440038

    Furunculus (29/04/10) - Narrow Conservative win:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2459341
    Furunculus (29/03/10) - Narrow Conservative win:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2459341
    Idaho (16/04/10) - Narrow Labour win:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2471029

    Rory (16/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2471056

    CountArch (30/04/10) - Conservative led hung-parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480544
    CountArch (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476911
    Banquo's Ghost (29/04/10) - Conservative led hung-parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480078
    Banquo's Ghost (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476913
    Louis (29/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480070
    Louis (23/04/10) - Labour led minority government:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476925
    Tbilicus (05/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2482362
    Tbilicus (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476926
    Insane Apache (02/05/10) - Conservative led minority government:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2481378
    Insane Apache (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476935
    Beskar (23/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2477082

    Alh_P (29/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480111

    Seamus Fermanagh (30/04/10) - Conservative led hung parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480262

    Subotan (30/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480536

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    and have i missed anyone out?

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    I would like to apologise on behalf of the entire island north and south that we failed to prevent Cameron getting back to England dam volcano never goes when you want it to
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy View Post
    I would like to apologise on behalf of the entire island north and south that we failed to prevent Cameron getting back to England dam volcano never goes when you want it to
    lol, i don't think your speaking on behalf of the DUP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    lol, i don't think your speaking on behalf of the DUP.
    lol

    Man I can just see the hastily prepared car crash style events they would have had to prepare today in the north if he had got stuck over here. Labour may secretly hate the working class but Tory incomprehension of the "colonies" would have made for tremendous fun.
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    que?
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    The real question seems to be can we afford another 5 years of LAbor?http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gmg/op/...20787&cat=News.
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    no is the short and sweet answer to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    no is the short and sweet answer to that.
    Lol, perhaps the real questions are (cos I've heard nothing on them really so far):

    What can we afford?
    What can we afford to do without?


    Shame we aren't voting on proposals to address either question - frankly I feel less wise about parties' intentions now than I did before the election was called. boo.

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    oops, a trifle embarrassing:

    Hung parliament would be bad for Britain, says law firm where Nick Clegg's wife works

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/elec...ife-works.html

    DLA Piper, where Miriam González Durántez is a partner and head of international trade, said that legislation passed by coalitions is often “anodyne” because it has been “watered down” through “endless” negotiation.

    The leading legal practice also said that British hung parliament could lead to “perverse” results as “extreme” parties force “bad” policies through in return for keeping a minority government in power.

    Its intervention will come as an embarrassment to the Liberal Democrat leader, who is likely to be the biggest beneficiary if the general election ends in political stalemate.

    Mr Clegg could be the “kingmaker” if neither Labour nor the Conservatives win an outright majority, playing a key role in the choice of the next Prime Minister as well as being able to demand that his party’s policies on electoral reform are made law before supporting any coalition.

    But on the eve of the election DLA Piper, where the Lib Dem leader’s wife has worked since 2006, issued a press release on the serious problems that a hung parliament could create for Britain.

    Paul Stone, a partner and public law expert at the firm, said: "A hallmark feature of a coalition government is the sheer time it can take to achieve consensus. From a legal point of view, this often results in laws being passed that are of high quality and well scrutinised, but unfortunately, are often watered down to the point of being anodyne as a result of endless rounds of review and compromise.

    “The main risk to UK legislation is from the perverse results which can arise when the extreme agendas of minority fringe, or single issue parties, actually gain a disproportionate ability to influence policy in return for keeping a minority government in power. In such a situation the silent majority may well find itself being forced to bend to the will of the hard line minority; such situations can result not only in ‘bad’ laws but laws which are clearly outside the scope of what the broad majority of a voting population would be prepared to support.”


    However he added that Italy’s “weak coalition governments” helped the economy in the 1970s, as the political “vacuum” allowed businesses to flourish without state interference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    oops, a trifle embarrassing:

    Hung parliament would be bad for Britain, says law firm where Nick Clegg's wife works
    My god! If even the law firm where Nick Clegg's wife works is against a hung parliament - we'd be crazy to even contemplate it


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    first web election

    also the first big-betting election:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...betting-record
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    Heard a blurb on NPR yesterday suggesting that England's currency was going to take a pounding if there was a hung parliament because "Europe wanted a clear decision." This was a follow-on line to a brief discussion of the Euro's getting hammered because of the currency market's assessment of the Greek debacle.

    Sound right to you folks in Blighty?
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    Unlikely. Markets will have factored in uncertainty with the current value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    Whoever wins tomorrow, you can bet that in 2 years time, the rich will have got richer, and the poor will have got poorer.
    You'd think those poor sods would eventually run out of money.

    How cliche.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Heard a blurb on NPR yesterday suggesting that England's currency was going to take a pounding if there was a hung parliament because "Europe wanted a clear decision." This was a follow-on line to a brief discussion of the Euro's getting hammered because of the currency market's assessment of the Greek debacle.

    Sound right to you folks in Blighty?
    rory is correct, it is simple risk to them that they have had months to factor into their speculation, so given that all three parties promise to 'tackle' the deficit and given that the euro is being repeatedly pounded in its rear sterling is still quite a positive market for currency investment.
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    anyone else going to join the election sweep-stakes:

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    JAG (27/02/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2440038

    Furunculus (29/04/10) - Narrow Conservative win:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2459341
    Furunculus (29/03/10) - Narrow Conservative win:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2459341
    Idaho (16/04/10) - Narrow Labour win:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2471029

    Rory (16/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2471056

    CountArch (30/04/10) - Conservative led hung-parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480544
    CountArch (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476911
    Banquo's Ghost (29/04/10) - Conservative led hung-parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480078
    Banquo's Ghost (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476913
    Louis (29/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480070
    Louis (23/04/10) - Labour led minority government:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476925
    Tbilicus (05/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2482362
    Tbilicus (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476926
    Insane Apache (02/05/10) - Conservative led minority government:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2481378
    Insane Apache (23/04/10) - Labour led hung-parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2476935
    Beskar (23/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2477082

    Alh_P (29/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480111

    Seamus Fermanagh (30/04/10) - Conservative led hung parliament:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480262

    Subotan (30/04/10) - Conservative led minority government:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2480536

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    and have i missed anyone out?

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