StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's not unbalanced, it's called random.org. Remember, this second roleblocker is NOT new. That person roleblocked me back on N8, when Niklas was still alive. By doing so, they cleared me of suspicion at that time. As such, there was no reason, whatsoever, for the Sith to roleblock me. No, that was a roleblock by a townie looking for Sith. Since DE says it wasn't him, it was clearly our second roleblocker. Last night that same roleblocker stopped DE when he was going to target Centurion1. I think we can all agree that was a scum move, no matter how the rest of these arguments fall.

So, the second roleblocker was town on N8, and is Sith now. That's proof of recruitment right there.

The first bolded part I agree with.

I am wondering why this roleblocker never revealed to Chaotix.

The second bolded part I am not sure.

On review, this is true. However, the signatures are still there. There was the Sith who relied primarily on the saber and the Sith who relied primarily on the Force. The primary-saber kills stopped after Niklas died. All kills since then have been the Force killer, which still clears Psycho in the same way that I was arguing the eyes thing did.

I do not think this is conclusive. Perhaps Niklas was still learning and gaining powers, and later was able to use similar abilities as his master.

Better than a nothing theory, but that's playing the odds more than having concrete facts.

Oddly specific information about how the second roleblock works. But, of course, you would know that because you're the second roleblocker.

Repeating it doesn't make it true

What I am saying, anyone playing the game would know. Chaotix revealed and suggested that only he had the Mochiro (sp?) power, or only the Grand master would have that power.

Why would he say that with such certainty? If there were other roleblocks present, that suggests otherwise. I do believe the Sith have the power to block, that much is obvious.

Incorrect, the fact remains that we have the primary saber killer and the primary force killer. That may well have something to do with the abilities of the individual Sith, but it doesn't change the fact that we haven't seen a single primary saber kill since Niklas died. Thus, the kills are useful for showing identity.

I disagree; the saber seems to be the most basic form of attack and the Jedi have greater defensive powers now. It stands to reason the Sith wouldn't use something that several people may already have defenses to.

You'll forgive me for not believing you. I'll wait until DE takes a look at you tonight.

That I welcome.

Psycho's explanation above fits perfectly. If Chaotix confirms his statement about the fake Force Sight, Psycho's as good as gold.

That proves he performed a ruse, nothing more.

It's good show, but it doesn't prove him innocent. Why would you assume that? That doesn't seem very grounded in logic.

No recruit? Then how do you explain the shifting motive of the second roleblocker?

I thought it was obvious; the Sith Lord has been gaining more powers and abilities, just as the Jedi have, especially the masters. I believe with Niklas' death the Sith Lord gained extra powers to compensate. I still don't see any possible night of recruitment.

Good point, but it still doesn't show three actions by a single Sith.

No, but if you're being picky about technicalities and so on, you have to keep your own facts in order.

At least give me the same credit you give yourself, which is forgiveness for minor errors which CAN be chalked up to this game being one giant complicated mess compounded with lies and complex mechanisms.

I don't believe you're giving my case a fair shake. That said, please don't assume I am accusing you. I believe you being attacked means I've either got to convince you, or vice versa.

Your entire theory on Psycho is based on him having three night actions every night and the GM roleblock only stopping two of them.

Yes, because of:
You also claim that there is only one Sith left and that they have not recruited a replacement for Niklas.

If that is true, then the remaining Sith has held off using his third action every single night. That's insane.

Do you know what his action options are? You're overlooking possibilities in your haste to discredit me. You're not being impartial.

If a solo Sith could do 3 actions, we would see 3 deaths.

You're countering my theory with an assumption. That's not the best way to argue. Two theories don't cancel each other out; that's only the beginning of a debate.

In addition, there is still no basis at all for your assumption that the GM block only stops 2 actions. That's fabricated from nothing.

It's a possibility, and possibilities are in existence before I even got here. I also argued it only stops 1 action, though it could be two.

Chaotix and DE both believe that it stops everything, and they would know better than you would.

All I am looking for is proof of that somewhere.

[Renata]

Chaotix could investigate, we know that. If Chaotix and Psycho were working together, Chaotix could have given the names to Psycho. Thus, if Chaotix confirms Psycho's story, he's solid.

Seems very unlikely. Psychonaut presented his list of names to Beskar on the day before Beskar was murdered. At this point, Chaotix had revealed only to Beskar as far as I'm aware, and had visibly investigated only Beskar.

[Askthepizzaguy]

For those who do not want to read WALLS-O-TEXT, here is my theory about the situation:

Starting Sith: Niklas and Centurion1
Prior to N8, ATPG gains a roleblock ability.
On N8, ATPG roleblocks me, thinking I am Sith.

On D10, Niklas is lynched.
On N10, ATPG is recruited, which accounts for the missing night action.

Restatement of your theory, which is full of falsehoods.

Every night since bring recruited, ATPG has used Force Stealth on himself to keep anyone from investigating him as Sith. He's already admitted that he was using that power every night. He's playing the sleeper agent.

That's a lie. Point out ANYWHERE I ever said I used force stealth. I specifically said I NEVER EVER ONCE used it.

You can argue just fine with the facts, don't create your own version of events please.

Last night, ATPG knew that Centurion1 would be nailed by DE, so ATPG stopped using Force Stealth, and used his old roleblock power once again. That stopped DE from scanning or blocking Centurion1.

Well that's just plain false. I have no blocking powers. Find blocking powers in me, or anything Sith-related, and you may dispose of me at your will.

Nice, clean, and consistent with the evidence. This is a far better theory than the theory that a single Sith gets 3 night actions and the GM roleblock power can only stop 2 of them.

It's hard for me to debate the situation with you when you keep putting words into my mouth.

[Renata]

Possible action possibilities for a Sith Lord:

-- evade investigation (we know this is possible)
-- evade roleblock (almost has to be an option if Psycho is mafia -- TinCow if you haven't been recuited please consider the balance issues and the likelihood of this)
-- investigate

For obvious reasons, none of these would be visible in a write-up.

-- kill
-- recruit

I think three actions per night is very likely for the Sith Lord (starting from the point where the Jedi Masters and Grandmasters gained the ability to use two) for balance reasons. I'm unclear on whether a single Sith would be allowed to perform two kills, though I see no reason to rule it out on principle. I don't know whether or not there has been a recruit. But my main issue with Psycho is that apparent lie -- can you at least not push for more votes on Cent until this has been settled or discussed? I don't like you dismissing it just because you can't see the mechanics that would let it be possible: surely a possible lie must trump trying to outguess the GM?

[TinCow]

The first bolded part I agree with.

I am wondering why this roleblocker never revealed to Chaotix.

The second bolded part I am not sure.

Why are you not sure? Please explain under what circumstances a Sith would block me on N8.

Since I was not publicly exposed as ANYTHING and had not even given my role name to anyone, there was no way for the Sith to believe that blocking me would help them by preventing me from doing something to them. If they were going to block someone to stop them from doing an action against the Sith, they would have gone for one of the exposed power roles. That wasn't me. By blocking me AND killing 2 other people on the same night, the Sith would do nothing except clear me of suspicion. Niklas is clearly a very good mafia player, he would not have done something that stupid.

So, the N8 roleblock had to be pro-town. Again, pro-town on N8, Sith last night. It's a recruitment

That proves he performed a ruse, nothing more.

It's good show, but it doesn't prove him innocent. Why would you assume that? That doesn't seem very grounded in logic.

It proves that Psycho's story checks out without flaws. That is what I mean by 'solid'. Holes in stories indicate scum. Stories that hold up under scrutiny indicate innocence. That's how this thing works.

I don't believe you're giving my case a fair shake. That said, please don't assume I am accusing you. I believe you being attacked means I've either got to convince you, or vice versa.

I do not believe that there is any possibility of a "vice versa" here. At best, you will shift your vote to Centurion1 if the vote is overwhelmingly against him, just to give yourself more credibility tomorrow.

You're countering my theory with an assumption. That's not the best way to argue. Two theories don't cancel each other out; that's only the beginning of a debate.

If you cancel our theories out, we're still left with the unbelievably scummy behavior of Cent1 throughout the game, and Psychonaut who has confirmed innocent people vouching for him. Why are you so unconcerned about Centurion1? Take a look at Subotan's list of scum on him above. Where's your analysis of Cent1 if you're being so objective? You were all over him yesterday, even straight up mocking him, and today you've essentially ignored him. You're not being consistent at all.

[TinCow]

That's a lie. Point out ANYWHERE I ever said I used force stealth. I specifically said I NEVER EVER ONCE used it.

My pleasure:

Scanning me is also pointless until my "stealth" power is removed from me.

If it investigates, have at it, but remember I have the stealth power so that's still not conclusive.

[Renata]

Please start addressing my points, too, TinCow, and not just with handwaving. I understand it's a lot easier to argue with ATPG and all, no matter your own alignment, but I AM making some actual points here.

Edit: good god, even I can see what Pizza was actually trying to say there, and I've been suspicious of him the entire game. That doesn't mean what you think it means.

[TinCow]

Please start addressing my points, too, TinCow, and not just with handwaving. I understand it's a lot easier to argue with ATPG and all, no matter your own alignment, but I AM making some actual points here.

Chaotix needs to address your points, not me. Psycho's defense of his fake results is based on cooperation with Chaotix. There is no way I can satisfy your points on that issue, Chaotix has to do it.

Edit: good god, even I can see what Pizza was actually trying to say there, and I've been suspicious of him the entire game. That doesn't mean what you think it means.

Force Stealth is an active ability, you have to use it for it to work. I know because I have it. ATPG would have to be using it for it to work. In addition, why would ATPG have continued using that AFTER he had revealed himself much earlier in the game? Where's the advantage in using it now? I used mine because I was not revealed and did not want to be revealed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Force Stealth is an active ability, you have to use it for it to work. I know because I have it. ATPG would have to be using it for it to work. In addition, why would ATPG have continued using that AFTER he had revealed himself much earlier in the game? Where's the advantage in using it now? I used mine because I was not revealed and did not want to be revealed.

PLEASE LISTEN.... I stated several times I've never ever used it ever, based on that reasoning.

My pleasure:

DUDE! It's right in front of your face, I said I HAD the power, that isn't saying I used it! In fact I can point to several posts which say I specifically never used it!

[Renata]

Chaotix needs to address your points, not me. Psycho's defense of his fake results is based on cooperation with Chaotix. There is no way I can satisfy your points on that issue, Chaotix has to do it.

This is simply not true. As I just said to you in PM, you could acknoweldge my refutation of your original explanation. You could CERTAINLY comment on whether you think the possibility that Psychonaut has unacccounted-for knowledge is worth pursuing. If you do think it's worth pursuing, you could refrain from trying to drive up votes on Cent until this has been addressed. If you don't -- want to put yourself on record?

Force Stealth is an active ability, you have to use it for it to work. I know because I have it. ATPG would have to be using it for it to work. In addition, why would ATPG have continued using that AFTER he had revealed himself much earlier in the game? Where's the advantage in using it now? I used mine because I was not revealed and did not want to be revealed.

He didn't spell it out, but it was perfectly clear to me that he was not saying he WAS using it, it was saying that any investigation on him would be worthless because of the POSSIBILITY that he could use it.

[TinCow]

DUDE! It's right in front of your face, I said I HAD the power, that isn't saying I used it! In fact I can point to several posts which say I specifically never used it!

Why would you even want to use it after you'd been revealed? Why would you say that?

Please also address my evidence about the roleblocker. The evidence I have presented proves a recruitment occurred. Since your theory is based on no recruitment occurring, you need to address that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you cancel our theories out, we're still left with the unbelievably scummy behavior of Cent1 throughout the game, and Psychonaut who has confirmed innocent people vouching for him. Why are you so unconcerned about Centurion1? Take a look at Subotan's list of scum on him above. Where's your analysis of Cent1 if you're being so objective? You were all over him yesterday, even straight up mocking him, and today you've essentially ignored him. You're not being consistent at all.

Consistency is not always a virtue.

Centurion1 claimed he has a lynch immunity. Well, if he doesn't, that's a lie, isn't it? And we can drain him/investigate him and find out. If he doesn't have it, he's guilty, and he's dead. Boom.
If he has it, we're wasting our time.

My analysis is that Centurion1 needs to die tomorrow, and Psychonaut needs to die today, because Psychonaut is a huge suspect and he has no lynch protection.

[TinCow]

Centurion1 claimed he has a lynch immunity. Well, if he doesn't, that's a lie, isn't it? And we can drain him/investigate him and find out. If he doesn't have it, he's guilty, and he's dead. Boom.
If he has it, we're wasting our time.

If you're right, the worst we do is blow another lynch immunity on a townie. If you're wrong, we kill a power town role with the ability to protect others.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why would you even want to use it after you'd been revealed? Why would you say that?[

Never once stated that I wanted to use it. I stated oh about five times or so over the course of the game that after being scanned as susceptible, gaining Force Stealth gives me nothing. If I use it, and I have different investigation results, that means I am hiding something. Town or Sith, doesn't matter; trying to hide from a scan means I have to die. Using force stealth hastens my death. I said that over and over.

What I said later on is that you should remove my force stealth power, then scan me. It might actually be more conclusive, so you DONT waste a lynch.

Please also address my evidence about the roleblocker. The evidence I have presented proves a recruitment occurred. Since your theory is based on no recruitment occurring, you need to address that.

It doesn't prove a recruitment occurred. My theory says that the Sith Lord has three actions, and those were his most recent three.

There's nothing disproving it, and the writeups indicate my theory more than yours.

[TinCow]

Never once stated that I wanted to use it. I stated oh about five times or so over the course of the game that after being scanned as susceptible, gaining Force Stealth gives me nothing. If I use it, and I have different investigation results, that means I am hiding something. Town or Sith, doesn't matter; trying to hide from a scan means I have to die. Using force stealth hastens my death. I said that over and over.

What I said later on is that you should remove my force stealth power, then scan me. It might actually be more conclusive, so you DONT waste a lynch.

This is false and misleading. Force Stealth does not work unless you submit night orders to use it. If your'e not using it, investigation results on you would be accurate, so there would be no need to drain it from you. Why would you want to force people to waste a drain on you? Do you not trust DE now as well?

It doesn't prove a recruitment occurred. My theory says that the Sith Lord has three actions, and those were his most recent three.

There's nothing disproving it, and the writeups indicate my theory more than yours.

Stop dodging the question. Please provide a theory under which the roleblock of me on N8 helps the Sith.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you're right, the worst we do is blow another lynch immunity on a townie. If you're wrong, we kill a power town role with the ability to protect others.

I am not looking forward to two more murders tonight, Tincow, with no progress.

I know what the alternative is. Centurion1 gets lynched and it fails, Askthepizzaguy gets drained and scanned, Centurion1 gets blocked, and Psychonaut is free to block/murder/murder once again, if I am right.
Then we still have: Askthepizzaguy, Centurion1, and Psychonaut alive, and fewer townies to overturn the Sith's two votes (or three, should YOUR theory be right)
We cannot afford a miss. The fastest route to removing Psycho and Centurion1 is one sequence of events:

1. Psycho lynched, dies.
2. Centurion1 blocked, drained. Askthepizzaguy investigated; leads to my death if I were lying or if two murders occurred while Cent was blocked.
3. Centurion1 lynched, Askthepizzaguy drained, blocked, investigated

That is how all 3 suspects die. Any other option doesn't work if Centurion1 really does have anti-lynch powers, which we could prove.

[TinCow]

I am not looking forward to two more murders tonight, Tincow, with no progress.

I know what the alternative is. Centurion1 gets lynched and it fails, Askthepizzaguy gets drained and scanned, Centurion1 gets blocked, and Psychonaut is free to block/murder/murder once again, if I am right.
Then we still have: Askthepizzaguy, Centurion1, and Psychonaut alive, and fewer townies to overturn the Sith's two votes (or three, should YOUR theory be right)
We cannot afford a miss. The fastest route to removing Psycho and Centurion1 is one sequence of events:

1. Psycho lynched, dies.
2. Centurion1 blocked, drained. Askthepizzaguy investigated; leads to my death if I were lying or if two murders occurred while Cent was blocked.
3. Centurion1 lynched, Askthepizzaguy drained, blocked, investigated

That is how all 3 suspects die. Any other option doesn't work if Centurion1 really does have anti-lynch powers, which we could prove.

If Cent1 is the Sith, then he will not get blocked and drained last night for the same reason he was not blocked and drained last night. There is no perfect solution here, it is either Psycho or Cent1, and there is no way to handle them both flawlessly.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is false and misleading. Force Stealth does not work unless you submit night orders to use it. If your'e not using it, investigation results on you would be accurate, so there would be no need to drain it from you. Why would you want to force people to waste a drain on you? Do you not trust DE now as well?

I think we're talking past each other. You're arguing against things I didn't say.

Investigation results on me would be NOT TRUSTWORTHY until I had no more Force Stealth. I mean, I have a trustworthy face, I am sure, but just because I say I am not using it... do you get it now? I'm NOT using it, but you don't know that and scanning me is a waste while I have the power.

Stop dodging the question. Please provide a theory under which the roleblock of me on N8 helps the Sith.

Easily; Sith gains this power, and in addition to their other powers of murder, they decide they can also try to root out pro-town roles and stop them from working. They try it out, and perhaps later get even better powers which they decide to use instead, but later find instances where using it would be a good idea.

[TinCow]

I think we're talking past each other. You're arguing against things I didn't say.

Investigation results on me would be NOT TRUSTWORTHY until I had no more Force Stealth. I mean, I have a trustworthy face, I am sure, but just because I say I am not using it... do you get it now? I'm NOT using it, but you don't know that and scanning me is a waste while I have the power.

Results onto a target using Force Stealth would very clearly show a lack of information. Given your status as a revealed role, that by itself would be proof of your guilt. There is no situation in which results on you are not proof of something. If you're not using Force Stealth, the results will show your alignment and we lynch or clear you according to what they say. If the results are unclear, you were using Force Stealth, which means you're scum and we lynch you. It's simple.

You're trying to manufacture evidence to keep you alive in future rounds.

Easily; Sith gains this power, and in addition to their other powers of murder, they decide they can also try to root out pro-town roles and stop them from working. They try it out, and perhaps later get even better powers which they decide to use instead, but later find instances where using it would be a good idea.

Then why did they leave me alive once they knew I had been cleared of being Sith? They've constantly knocked off all other confirmed innocents who weren't likely protected at night, why did they spare me? And if they were using the block to hunt for pro-town roles, why weren't they just blocking DE?

[Husar]

Centurion1 claimed he has a lynch immunity. Well, if he doesn't, that's a lie, isn't it? And we can drain him/investigate him and find out. If he doesn't have it, he's guilty, and he's dead. Boom.
If he has it, we're wasting our time.

No, we can't, someone can but last night noone could as someone blocked someone who could so if we are going to trust on that, we may just as well waste another round because who tells us that Qui-Gon is not killed or blocked again next night?
In other words, if the Sith can block now it's perfectly possible that the town can't do anything at night anymore except die or survive a kill attempt so for now I'd scrap that from the list of possibilities. And besides, you've been crying to get scanned and whatnot for the last few rounds now, it hasn't happened so far, I have no idea why, but it's possible that you only did so knowing you could hide yourself from it anyway. You saw it wasn't happening/knew one of the investigators would die tonight (Anakin), so you used your ability to block the other (Qui-Gon tonight instead of hiding your abilities, now that you could be relatively sure that there wasn't a third investigator.

Or maybe TinCow was recruited after he survived the attack...
I say this again because we earlier established that only Jedi who the Sith found to be worthy (clearly, surviving a Sith attack makes someone worthy I guess) were recruited, I haven't really checked that theory against the night actions/promotions etc., but maybe you'd be willing to look into it, might help clear yourself as well.
I do find it less likely than you being Sith though.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If Cent1 is the Sith, then he will not get blocked and drained last night for the same reason he was not blocked and drained last night. There is no perfect solution here, it is either Psycho or Cent1, and there is no way to handle them both flawlessly.

If it is Psychonaut, lynching him proves he was lying about not having anti-lynch powers, which results in exposure of a Sith and leads to a win.
Or, he dies, and the game is over I believe. Or we're down to just one Sith again.

If it is Centurion1, and he has anti-lynch, we've accomplished nothing and proven nothing except he was telling the truth. Then we cannot do anything to him tonight, as you said. In the meantime, all suspects are still alive and there's murders, which is bad.
If he's lying and doesn't have that power, then he's dead tomorrow anyway.

I'm about to toss in the towel though. I gave it a supreme effort to advocate this theory, which if I am wrong ruins the game, and if I am right, doesn't matter because I am not gaining any ground.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Then why did they leave me alive once they knew I had been cleared of being Sith? They've constantly knocked off all other confirmed innocents who weren't likely protected at night, why did they spare me? And if they were using the block to hunt for pro-town roles, why weren't they just blocking DE?

Why is Diamondeye alive at all?

He's investigated a Sith and let him go, that's why.

I give up.


Renata will have to pick up where I left off. I will move my vote to where atheotes and Chaotix wish me to move it, and I encourage all townies to do the same. Both prosecutors have made their cases, and further argument by me won't change any minds.

[TinCow]

If it is Psychonaut, lynching him proves he was lying about not having anti-lynch powers, which results in exposure of a Sith and leads to a win.
Or, he dies, and the game is over I believe. Or we're down to just one Sith again.

If it is Centurion1, and he has anti-lynch, we've accomplished nothing and proven nothing except he was telling the truth. Then we cannot do anything to him tonight, as you said. In the meantime, all suspects are still alive and there's murders, which is bad.
If he's lying and doesn't have that power, then he's dead tomorrow anyway.

I'm about to toss in the towel though. I gave it a supreme effort to advocate this theory, which if I am wrong ruins the game, and if I am right, doesn't matter because I am not gaining any ground.

And what if it's Centurion1 and he doesn't have a second anti-lynch?

Again, I must emphasize that we are comparing the lynching of someone who has not contributed AT ALL to finding Sith, and who claims to not have any useful anti-Sith abilities, to a person who claims the only known Doctor ability in the game. Get this wrong, and DE will die tonight because he will no longer be protected. I am not willing to take that risk.

[Husar]

Hello, I would just like to notify the two of you that I and others are posting here as well.
If you read my post and think it's rubbish, it would be nice if you just tell me that so I don't feel ignored and sad*, is it not bad enough that I died right away?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

*it's okay if it's rubbish because I don't have the time like you guys to analyze the last 80 or so pages, I'm just try to point out things others seem to be missing and then this is apparently ignored so these things go completely unnoticed while they may be helpful, no problem if they aren't though, well, have to prepare to catch a train now...

[Kagemusha]

Lynch Centurion and investigate ATPG.

[TinCow]

Hello, I would just like to notify the two of you that I and others are posting here as well.
If you read my post and think it's rubbish, it would be nice if you just tell me that so I don't feel ignored and sad*, is it not bad enough that I died right away?

Sorry, I didn't respond to you because I didn't think I needed to. I agree with you fully on the first point. On the second, if surviving a Sith attack is the only way to get recruited, that kind of makes all of these defensive powers Sigurd created pretty useless.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And what if it's Centurion1 and he doesn't have a second anti-lynch?

That is the risk. In the final analysis, maybe that's too much to risk. I guess I just prefer a decisive move on Centurion1 or Psychonaut. I thought the safer move was Psychonaut.

Again, I must emphasize that we are comparing the lynching of someone who has not contributed AT ALL to finding Sith, and who claims to not have any useful anti-Sith abilities, to a person who claims the only known Doctor ability in the game. Get this wrong, and DE will die tonight because he will no longer be protected. I am not willing to take that risk.

I would bet the entire game on an assessment of who I believe is most capable and most likely to be scum, and ignore other things like if he might be a doctor or not. Any suspect can claim doctor, but is the player guilty or innocent?

To me, as there are only two likely lynches this round, if you want to catch a Sith, you should look for the one most capable and likely to be scum. IMO that is Psychonaut, and darn the risks.

And, any bet we place is a high risk bet. It's not like we are much safer if Centurion1 is lynched and turns out to be innocent than vice versa. Especially if said doctor role could be blocked.

I'd pick based on the man, my pick is Psychonaut. His doctor claim and ability image revealed means I could be wrong, I don't see how else he got that image unless he could scan for that ability in others and then copied the image for himself. That's a long shot, so I probably have to withdraw here.

[Renata]

Which ability? The force healing? Why would a Sith not be able to claim that ability legitimately? There is (theoretically) the possiblity of vigs in this game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hello, I would just like to notify the two of you that I and others are posting here as well.
If you read my post and think it's rubbish, it would be nice if you just tell me that so I don't feel ignored and sad*, is it not bad enough that I died right away?

I hear you Husar, but it is 1035 AM, which is about 5 hours past my bedtime (day sleeper) and I have worn myself out arguing with the only people who could possibly save the game if I am right.

Unfortunately you got lost in the shuffle and I'm beat. Will respond later, but round may be over by then.

unvote, vote: Centurion1

As I have not won the necessary votes.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Which ability? The force healing? Why would a Sith not be able to claim that ability legitimately? There is (theoretically) the possiblity of vigs in this game.

Maybe, but it's a long shot, and I'm tired.

I also am starting to lose faith in this theory. Maybe I have confirmation bias, like I said to you privately.