[EB] Any help for beating skullhead?

**Danos13** · 05-20-2010, 11:27

Originally Posted by mountaingoat

50k? that is a dream for a Getai player ...

phalanx can be simple to overcome in a battle when you get the game mechanics down .. (or depending on the player )

just put any tough unit of spearmen ( yes spearmen) against them in a thin formation on guard mode ... do not let them attack !!! .. just leave them to hold the phalanx line . (example Thorakitai Stratiotai ) ... nice to bring a unit or two to intimidate behind your main line too .

AP AP AP AP AP .. the Getai have some of the best if not the best AP units in the entire game .. in fact my general is always a Rhomphaiaphoroi and he leads a charge on a flank . also Bastarnisku are one of the best units price wise .. they can decimate pretty much any elite unite for half the price .

two units of heavy HA and the rest can be prodromoi with 1 upgrade ,

rush ...oh yeah and bring slingers with you to ward off the harassing cav...

if your opponent goes all horse archers .. just quit the game right away or run for the trees .. lol

edit - any remaining money ... be sure to add un upgrade to each unit

Never considered just spearmen could beat elite phalanx, i might try it sometime

**Jebivjetar** · 05-20-2010, 11:38

Originally Posted by Danos13

Never considered just spearmen could beat elite phalanx, i might try it sometime

Well they wont beat Macedonian phalanx, especially not from the front- but are able to hold those sarrisaephoroi in place for a very long time (e.g. in my both campaign and MP games i often deploy Liby-pheonican heavy infantry (spearmen) just to hold a phalanx in place. Any well armoured spearmen will be able to pin the phalanx in place. Just put them on guard mode and shall be good.

**seienchin** · 05-20-2010, 14:41

Because Skullhead also uses cataphraktoi the getai will be slaughtered!! also in MP your thin line of spearmen should be useless against a skilled player. Who tells you that he will atack them with his phalangitai front?
If I were skullhead I would put all my phalanxes out of guard mode and phalanx mode. Atack with them on the sides, lowering the spears against the AP units and destroy the thin line of the getai spearmen with just one cataphract charge. Than the getai forces are split into two and the fight is over.
If my current PC hadnt a proxy preventing me from playing EB online, I would love to beat the Getai with a diadochi force.

If they use the flanking tactic, just reverse it. If they are going all in just make a circle with your heavy infantry, shoot their horse archers and AP units etc.
In my opinion getai armies not going for extreme skirmishing and surprise atacks are doomed against any greek force.
Of course an army of upgraded skirmishers will pretty much anoy your oponent to death. ^^
Because the getai komatai are faster than phalangists you can always run away and shoot the enemy. If they counteratack with cavallery or fast units just pile your skirmishers up on them. The only problem should be an archer shoutout.

PS: Am I the only one preferring light troops with a lot of upgrades over elites?

**gamegeek2** · 05-20-2010, 15:38

Except their house rules ban upgrades IIRC.

I might go for Saka - they get great infantry (Hoplitai Hellenikoi, Saka Agema) as well as cataphract and regular horse archers. (Though I seem to recall HAs being banned)

**Danos13** · 05-20-2010, 18:10

we don't use HAs any more because they annoy you to dead, we also don't use ups because light troops will easily slaughter unupgraded heavy troops whats a bit strange though

**Skullheadhq** · 05-20-2010, 19:04

Originally Posted by Danos13

we don't use HAs any more because they annoy you to dead, we also don't use ups because light troops will easily slaughter unupgraded heavy troops whats a bit strange though

HA's run out of arrows...

**Macilrille** · 05-20-2010, 19:59

It is not actually so strange that upgraded light troops beat the crap out of heavy inexperienced ones. Lots of people through time has thought that hardware would win wars, but few things until AI can beat a motivated veteran. Especially in a pre-firearms battle where the deciding factors was often morale breaking.

**Danos13** · 05-20-2010, 21:23

Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

HA's run out of arrows...

you liked them so much that you came up with that rule

**mountaingoat** · 05-20-2010, 23:12

Originally Posted by seienchin

Because Skullhead also uses cataphraktoi the getai will be slaughtered!! also in MP your thin line of spearmen should be useless against a skilled player. Who tells you that he will atack them with his phalangitai front?

If my current PC hadnt a proxy preventing me from playing EB online, I would love to beat the Getai with a diadochi force.

well since you do not play any online battles, yet you mention who is "skilled" on here ... i will leave you with a few pointers for online battles

1. bringing the best cav does not = win

2. you do not have a glorious general with 10 command to make your levy units appear unstoppable

3. there is no BAI online (well not much)

4. human player will defend the flanks and mostly not leave them exposed .. this means they will not chase your skirmisher cav etc off the map

5. if it works on single player , does not mean it will work against someone online .. especially if they are seasoned to playing online

6. no army is unstoppable .. they each have pros and cons

7. you have no idea what the other player will bring , but you can make a general assumption based on their faction.

8. 1v1 is completely different to 2v2 .. and 3v3 and 4v4.

9. playing online gives a better understanding of a units value

10. i consider all players i go up against to be skilled , no matter if they defeat me or i defeat them. there are many excellent players on this forum!

11. there is no pause

12. some units work differently on different unit size settings (example pikes perform poorer on small settings )

If I were skullhead I would put all my phalanxes out of guard mode and phalanx mode. Atack with them on the sides, lowering the spears against the AP units and destroy the thin line of the getai spearmen with just one cataphract charge. Than the getai forces are split into two and the fight is over.

well .. Who tells you that he will atack them head on with his flanking forces ?? =P

bypass your proxy and play online , is quite fun , though i have stopped until there is a much better option , hamachi works but it is not too great .

**gamegeek2** · 05-21-2010, 03:16

When explaining something to a human, always assume he's an idiot. When competing against one, expect him to be an expert.

**antisocialmunky** · 05-21-2010, 03:34

Originally Posted by gamegeek2

When explaining something to a human, always assume he's an idiot. When competing against one, expect him to be an expert.

But the former makes you sound like a complete ass and the latter screws up the metagame if you are wrong. Its better to only assume what is necessary and sufficient such as noobs make fail boxes and used 'balanced' armies and experts rape you by running their cav everywhere and never attacking until you are sufficiently out of position.

**gamegeek2** · 05-21-2010, 04:21

Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

But the former makes you sound like a complete ass and the latter screws up the metagame if you are wrong. Its better to only assume what is necessary and sufficient such as noobs make fail boxes and used 'balanced' armies and experts rape you by running their cav everywhere and never attacking until you are sufficiently out of position.

What I mean is that, when entering a discussion with an unknown person, don't make any assumptions about his knowledge. Similar thing when going up against an unknown opponent online - don't assume any flaws (besides the fact that he's human). Find them out as you go along and exploit them.