New factions?

[bobbin]

Six.

[Horatius Flaccus]

So that does mean there are going to be 10 extra factions?

[bobbin]

How many slots are left to confirm?

Slots might not equal factions.

[Brennus]

Slots might not equal factions.

bobbin are you suggesting that slots might be used for AI factions instead, perhaps with the Cimbri and Teutones emerging and using the crusades feature to amass a very large force at some point in the game if the right conditions are met? Or is that a load of Casse pony poo I am talking?

What could slots be used for then?

[anubis88]

Cimbri and Teutones won't emerge. Don't even go there :)... There was a long debate about this over at TWC

[Brennus]

Cimbri and Teutones won't emerge. Don't even go there :)... There was a long debate about this over at TWC

Thanks for the warning :)

[J.R.M]

Maybe 1 of those slots its the rebel faction?
If not then im pretty much clueless.

[Ludens]

Maybe 1 of those slots its the rebel faction?
If not then im pretty much clueless.

No, the rebel faction is already included. The team has hinted that it might reserve one of the faction slots for scripting purposes. However, all factions will be playable.

[Horatius Flaccus]

Well, I think Bobbin's commen pretty much confirms that there are going to be another 6 new factions. What he did afterwards was just damage control.

Then again, the team likes to be as vague as possible.

[Macilrille]

We do?
Oh I must remember that ;-)

[J.R.M]

[Brennus]

How about the Maurya Empire

On a serious note wasn't there mention that the next faction(s) would be Celtic or Celtic influenced? This would fit with the Arevaci and the Bastarnae (if they are actually being considered). As for the rest of the slots.....

[Power2the1]

Something to keep in mind is that while faction slots exist, if there are not enough FC's to bring have a faction brought to life, then we may very well leave unused slots open.

[zurab]

Well If we use the logic... who can be these new mistycal factions and what people they present? I IMO the are:

1. Bithynia (Asia Minor -thrakians and greeks, rival to Pont),
2. Caucasian Iberia ( Georgian tribes-kartvelebi, right name is Kartli - enemy#1 for Hayastan)
3. Caucasian Albania ( dagestan-lezgin tribes and some HUNNU tribes, as a Alban-Arran tribes union)
4. Hispanian state - celtberians
5. A German tribe
6. Palmirena (Palmirena, in Syria, before Zenobia)
7. A celtic tribe
8. Spartacus slaves revolt - emerging faction

[bobbin]

8. Spartacus slaves revolt - emerging faction

We not having emerging factions, it wastes a faction slot as you can't play as them.

[Mediolanicus]

Well If we use the logic... who can be these new mistycal factions and what people they present? I IMO the are:

1. Bithynia (Asia Minor -thrakians and greeks, rival to Pont),
2. Caucasian Iberia ( Georgian tribes-kartvelebi, right name is Kartli - enemy#1 for Hayastan)
3. Caucasian Albania ( dagestan-lezgin tribes and some HUNNU tribes, as a Alban-Arran tribes union)
4. Hispanian state - celtberians
5. A German tribe
6. Palmirena (Palmirena, in Syria, before Zenobia)
7. A celtic tribe
8. Spartacus slaves revolt - emerging faction

1. Nah, ruled out I think officially by the team. Besides, you've got Pergamon there. And you'd have to take the Bythinians together with the Galatians to form a meaningful enemy.
2 and 3. One of them could work. Perhaps the Kartali. Although I doubt their expansionism.
4. "State" is a bit of an anachronism, but I think a tribe in Spain (probably Celt-Iberian) will be in.
5. Historical sources are a bit sketchy at best here. Perhaps the Bastarnae would do.
6. Palmyra lacks sources for this time and expansionism. Perhaps Moros will come up with a better candidate near the Arabian Peninsular.
7. Another pure Celtic tribe is out I think (Pritanoi, Aedui, Arverni, Boii), but Celt-Iberians (Arevaci?) are possible, so are Illyro-Celtics (Scordisci), Germano-Celtics (a Belgae tribe),...
8. A joke is always the best way to close.

We not having emerging factions, it wastes a faction slot as you can't play as them.

So Spartacus will be a starting Italian faction in EB II?

[Apázlinemjó]

So Spartacus will be a starting Italian faction in EB II?

I can't wait the gladiator units, yeaaahh.

[zurab]

So Spartacus will be a starting Italian faction in EB II?

That would be great but I doubt it as Spartacus revolted in 73 BC if I remember right

[Mediolanicus]

That would be great but I doubt it as Spartacus revolted in 73 BC if I remember right

Somehow I begin to doubt you meant it as a joke... You weren't serious, were you?

Unless you can prove that the situation in Rome in 272 BC automatically leads to a slave called Spartacus leading a revolt in 73 BC they will never be in...

[zurab]

Somehow I begin to doubt you meant it as a joke... You weren't serious, were you?

Unless you can prove that the situation in Rome in 272 BC automatically leads to a slave called Spartacus leading a revolt in 73 BC they will never be in...

Well actually I meant it as en emerging faction from the begining, then I found out that no emerging factions will be in. In my opinion an emerging Spartacus faction (using Mongol slot) would be great but since devs decided not to use any emerging factions...

[Mediolanicus]

Well actually I meant it as en emerging faction from the begining, then I found out that no emerging factions will be in. In my opinion an emerging Spartacus faction (using Mongol slot) would be great but since devs decided not to use any emerging factions...

Even if they did use emerging factions there would be no reason whatsoever to include "Spartacus". Unless you make a mod which has historical expansion, all the historical characters at the right time and so on. But that would be history on rails with no choices to be made by the player.

Right now the only things "emerging" are things that are plausible under certain parameters (like the Marian reforms). It would be absolutely absurd to have some dude appearing in Italy in 73 BC, who always is called Spartacus for some reason or the other, whether or not the Italian peninsular is still under Roman control.

Or do you have prove that in 272 BC it was already certain that 200 years later, this would happen; whatever would happen in those 200 ears.

What I would like to see, and I doubt that is possible with the engine, is that the chance of the spawning of rebels increases when you build lots of latifundae or the like.

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

What I would like to see, and I doubt that is possible with the engine, is that the chance of the spawning of rebels increases when you build lots of latifundae or the like.

I think that law penalties already increase rebel spawn, so the latifundiae could be given those penalties.

[Mediolanicus]

I think that law penalties already increase rebel spawn, so the latifundiae could be given those penalties.

Don't they just lower public order?

If so then it increases the chance your city revolts. But I believe spawing rebel armies are probably better to represent an army of runaway slaves than a whole city that revolts (that's more of a civil revolt).

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

Don't they just lower public order?

If so then it increases the chance your city revolts. But I believe spawing rebel armies are probably better to represent an army of runaway slaves than a whole city that revolts (that's more of a civil revolt).

IIRC the law penalties also increase brigands, e.t.c. in the countryside.

[Divinephyton]

5. Historical sources are a bit sketchy at best here. Perhaps the Bastarnae would do.

The Bastarnae might be a fun idea, considering their strategic location for the game and the mix of cultures usually ascribed to them (as a tribe in writings of authors) and that location (archeologically) and their involvement with Philip of Macedon's war, however I believe their only realistic use in the game would be as an emerging faction à la Mongols, which has been ruled out...
I hope and am quite confident they won't appear as a faction

[paullus]

actually they're a more reasonable selection than you may think.

[athanaric]

Well actually I meant it as en emerging faction from the begining, then I found out that no emerging factions will be in. In my opinion an emerging Spartacus faction (using Mongol slot) would be great but since devs decided not to use any emerging factions...

What if the Roman player chose to abandon Gladiatorial Games and the related structures and features of society at the start of the campaign? A Spartacus faction wouldn't make a lot of sense then, would it?

[seienchin]

actually they're a more reasonable selection than you may think.

Really?^^ Sounds like a conformation of a new faction to me. :)
Still where do you get any credible informations on them?

[Moros]

Ah the excellent but difficult to find monograph: 'A comprehenisve overview of theoretical history and social structures of the East germans and their historical accurate representations in game mechanics' by Prof. Sharon Aedi.

[bobbin]

Complete lifesaver that was.