[EB] Any help for beating skullhead?

[antisocialmunky]

It is not actually so strange that upgraded light troops beat the crap out of heavy inexperienced ones. Lots of people through time has thought that hardware would win wars, but few things until AI can beat a motivated veteran. Especially in a pre-firearms battle where the deciding factors was often morale breaking.

Wat?

From skirmishers to robot apocalypse...

Wat?

[mountaingoat]

Because Skullhead also uses cataphraktoi the getai will be slaughtered!! also in MP your thin line of spearmen should be useless against a skilled player. Who tells you that he will atack them with his phalangitai front?

If my current PC hadnt a proxy preventing me from playing EB online, I would love to beat the Getai with a diadochi force.

well since you do not play any online battles, yet you mention who is "skilled" on here ... i will leave you with a few pointers for online battles

1. bringing the best cav does not = win

2. you do not have a glorious general with 10 command to make your levy units appear unstoppable

3. there is no BAI online (well not much)

4. human player will defend the flanks and mostly not leave them exposed .. this means they will not chase your skirmisher cav etc off the map

5. if it works on single player , does not mean it will work against someone online .. especially if they are seasoned to playing online

6. no army is unstoppable .. they each have pros and cons

7. you have no idea what the other player will bring , but you can make a general assumption based on their faction.

8. 1v1 is completely different to 2v2 .. and 3v3 and 4v4.

9. playing online gives a better understanding of a units value

10. i consider all players i go up against to be skilled , no matter if they defeat me or i defeat them. there are many excellent players on this forum!

11. there is no pause

12. some units work differently on different unit size settings (example pikes perform poorer on small settings )

If I were skullhead I would put all my phalanxes out of guard mode and phalanx mode. Atack with them on the sides, lowering the spears against the AP units and destroy the thin line of the getai spearmen with just one cataphract charge. Than the getai forces are split into two and the fight is over.

well .. Who tells you that he will atack them head on with his flanking forces ?? =P

bypass your proxy and play online , is quite fun , though i have stopped until there is a much better option , hamachi works but it is not too great .

[gamegeek2]

When explaining something to a human, always assume he's an idiot. When competing against one, expect him to be an expert.

[antisocialmunky]

When explaining something to a human, always assume he's an idiot. When competing against one, expect him to be an expert.

But the former makes you sound like a complete ass and the latter screws up the metagame if you are wrong. Its better to only assume what is necessary and sufficient such as noobs make fail boxes and used 'balanced' armies and experts rape you by running their cav everywhere and never attacking until you are sufficiently out of position.

[vartan]

Y'all shouldn't use any upgrades other than, say, one chevron for each unit to represent experience. With the money y'all play with, no wonder it's full elite armies. And no HAs? That takes a quarter of the factions off the roster.

[gamegeek2]

But the former makes you sound like a complete ass and the latter screws up the metagame if you are wrong. Its better to only assume what is necessary and sufficient such as noobs make fail boxes and used 'balanced' armies and experts rape you by running their cav everywhere and never attacking until you are sufficiently out of position.

What I mean is that, when entering a discussion with an unknown person, don't make any assumptions about his knowledge. Similar thing when going up against an unknown opponent online - don't assume any flaws (besides the fact that he's human). Find them out as you go along and exploit them.

[gamegeek2]

Try this army on for size: (Saka Rauka, 50k)

2 Saka Cataphracts (1 BG)
6 Saka Armoured Nobles
2 IndoHellenic Agema
6 Hoplitai Hellenikon
2 Indian Longbowmen
2 Indian Guild Swordsmen

Since you don't have elite phalanxes to dump money into, just go for the catas instead. This is definitely not legal by your house rules - but it looks hilarious to play around with.

Now, for something more serious:

Baktria, 50k (abiding by the no horse archer rule)

4 Hellenikoi Kataphraktoi (1 BG)
2 Baktrion Agema
4 Indian Longbowmen
2 Indian Guild Swordsmen
4-6 Pezhetairoi
2-4 Thorakitai

The longbowmen also function as Drapanai, with their .26 lethality AP 2h swords. The Guild swordsmen compare to Rhomphaiaphoroi in their devastating effectiveness, and will slice through just about anything. The rest is good, solid heavy infantry, phalanxes or Thorakitai to suit your taste.

[mountaingoat]

bah , play with low moneys ... 25k

[seienchin]

By the way... 50.000 and no upgrades and no HA? I guess that makes the diadochi troops even more powerfull...
Anyway, after seeing Skullheads army I would advise you a germanic army with scary units and those powerfull two handed swordsman and of course a lot of clubbers.

PS: I cant bypass my proxy, but I do play multiplayer with friends in local are network and of course you cant predict what the enemy is doing, but if it looks like he wants to pin your phalangitai down I do what he doesnt expect me to do like moving the phalangitai to the flank and atack with my cavallery in the center.
And having the better cavallery is the only thing that comes in handy every single battle. If you can prevent the enemy from pining them down in melee (Which is rather easy in EB, thanks to huge armour values and insanly fast riders like the thrakian podromoi). I mean having no star generals in mutliplayer makes a lot of units extremly easy to rout with cavallery. Anyway in reality everything can happen.^^ I once lost my flanking cavallery out of side and the next second they were in melee with 3 units of the thracian peltastai :(

[mountaingoat]

if opponents flank becomes the main line ..then move to the "new" flank ?

btw podromoi are available to getai

the best way to deal with getai is with lots of heavy skirmishers or just bring in any celtic nation .. or steppe nation .

the AP of Getai just chomp right through any heavy armor type nation .. though does not = teh w1Nz0r everytime .. it helps :P

[Macilrille]

By the way... 50.000 and no upgrades and no HA? I guess that makes the diadochi troops even more powerfull...
Anyway, after seeing Skullheads army I would advise you a germanic army with scary units and those powerfull two handed swordsman and of course a lot of clubbers.

PS: I cant bypass my proxy, but I do play multiplayer with friends in local are network and of course you cant predict what the enemy is doing, but if it looks like he wants to pin your phalangitai down I do what he doesnt expect me to do like moving the phalangitai to the flank and atack with my cavallery in the center.
And having the better cavallery is the only thing that comes in handy every single battle. If you can prevent the enemy from pining them down in melee (Which is rather easy in EB, thanks to huge armour values and insanly fast riders like the thrakian podromoi). I mean having no star generals in mutliplayer makes a lot of units extremly easy to rout with cavallery. Anyway in reality everything can happen.^^ I once lost my flanking cavallery out of side and the next second they were in melee with 3 units of the thracian peltastai :(

Already said, Sweboz FTW!!! Except of course against HA.

[antisocialmunky]

if opponents flank becomes the main line ..then move to the "new" flank ?

btw podromoi are available to getai

the best way to deal with getai is with lots of heavy skirmishers or just bring in any celtic nation .. or steppe nation .

the AP of Getai just chomp right through any heavy armor type nation .. though does not = teh w1Nz0r everytime .. it helps :P

You can beat Getai with certain KH infantry units which is kinda weird when you think about it.

[Fluvius Camillus]

Already said, Sweboz FTW!!! Except of course against HA.

Well Skullhead was to believe otherwise. He tried to push 5 groups of clubmen into my TAB's. The TAB's still held their ground and after a few hits the clubbers suddenly routed.

Germanic heroism abandoned him in the moment of need and he immediately quit the battle.

~Fluvius

[Macilrille]

Tsk tsk tsk, no true German heroes are they. They should hang themselves by the neck and if not, the priestesses will cut their throats and pour the blood into large cauldrons for taking omens then sink the carcass in a moor or lake.

[gamegeek2]

Indeed, Hæleþas trewes ne sind. Scealaþ hig self hangian hnecce, ond gif ne, þroten hyre cytað preost ond geotað se blod into pottan mycelan...

Or something like that.

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

Seaxisc? Englisc? Min cynn wilcume þu!

[Maion Maroneios]

Τι έγινε, θα μιλάει ο καθένας στη γλώσσα του τώρα;

[gamegeek2]

Þancas, min freond. Gea, Englisc, reord fædera. Cum, læfaþ ond sprecað med þā oþeras Romahatieras on ure denn.

[vartan]

Ես ձեզ առողջությունեմ ցանկանում:

~ Վարդան (Vartan)

[gamegeek2]

How predictable

[Fluvius Camillus]

Þancas, min freond. Gea, Englisc, reord fædera. Cum, læfaþ ond sprecað med þā oþeras Romahatieras on ure denn.

If Ludens will see this you are .

Zal ik dan maar Wierings gaan praten? Of zal ik het toch maar bij Nederlands houden.

~Fluvius

[plutoboyz]

ᮌᮥᮞ᮪ᮒᮤ, ᮔᮥ ᮙᮠ ᮊᮨᮛᮨᮞ... ᮘᮞ ᮔᮇᮔ᮪ ᮃᮒᮥᮂ ᮄᮉ ᮒᮦᮂ? ᮙᮨᮔᮤ ᮛᮛᮤᮉᮒ᮪ ᮙᮒᮊ᮪ ᮏᮍᮁ ᮠᮥᮜᮥ. ᮑᮛᮤᮇᮞ᮪ ᮔᮇᮔ᮪ ᮃᮒᮥᮂ ᮃᮛᮔ᮪ᮏᮩᮔ᮪ ᮒᮦᮂ?
need help?

[Skullheadhq]

En zo werd dit een 'Praat je eigen taal thread'

[Cute Wolf]

我不知道,你说什么东西?

[Apázlinemjó]

我不知道,你说什么东西?

Ezt nem értem.

[gamegeek2]

If Ludens will see this you are .

Zal ik dan maar Wierings gaan praten? Of zal ik het toch maar bij Nederlands houden.

~Fluvius

Oh come on, it's the imperative conjugation. Any other and it wouldn't look like that...

[Fluvius Camillus]

En zo werd dit een 'Praat je eigen taal thread'

Vind je toch niet erg, zo kan hij je niet meer verslaan he Ach ja, zolang het Nederlands blijft snapt hij het ook.

Lang leve google translate!

~Fluvius

[gamegeek2]

Google translate doesn't do old english...

[jirisys]

Tunc quaero in internet antiquus ingles ut ingles reddo, quod iam mos postulo ut quaero a latin reddo quoque

Это, как говорится, я думаю, вы можете найти переводчика для русского, или на наименее использовать Ворд переводчик

~Йиризыйс (ΖΗΙΡΙΣΙΣ)

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

When did this turn into "The talk your own language" thread?