Next Total War game to be revealed at E3, will NOT focus on gunpowder era(s)

[Sp00n]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/se...hogun-2-reveal

Looking possibly like the return of my favorite era of pwnage, I will be sharpening my blades if its even half decent.

:P

It better have a MP chat room though.

[Vuk]

TW is a niche genre. It's not really RTS, certainly not FPS, nor is it RPG.


Exactly, though this has been/is the case with all TW games, from Samurai through Knights, Legionaries, etc. We could argue the same for R2TW. CA would probably bring back the screeching women, arcani, flaming pigs, chanting druids and super legionaries - only this time around no one would be able to mod it...

You forgot the Spartans with no armour whose shields did almost nothing and who had almost no defensive skill, but had millions of hitpoints. :P

I don't think the games are targeted particularly at "high school students", more so the "casual gamer" (supposedly anyway). A sparta total war would actually be a good idea. A huge map encompassing as many cultures as possible does not necessarily equate to a better game. Sometimes less is more.


I don't think the game(s) is really marketed at history buffs.

Yeah, I do get what you and A Nerd are saying, but to me, making a game like Sparta Total War, or Shogun Total War would be like making a bi-op of Chuck Norris. While there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, there are ridiculous and inaccurate expectations that your fan base is going to have that will hurt the chances of your game/movie selling well. Therefore it is highly likely (as i say, esp considering CA's record) that rather than portray something at least somewhat accurately, they will give their fans what they expect. When the first Shogun was made there wasn't nearly as much an internet cult around ninjas and samurais and stuff as there is now (and I think that younger people were smarter then than the younger people now), so you had a much better chance of getting something real then.
Like I say, I hope that I am wrong, but I am not gonna bet a lot on it. I am really not that into Japanese history, but if I hear that they did a good job on it, and (most importantly) it is moddable, I will buy it. If it is not moddable though, or if they have battlefield units of ninjas, I am definitely not going to. :P

[caravel]

You forgot the Spartans with no armour whose shields did almost nothing and who had almost no defensive skill, but had millions of hitpoints. :P

I also forgot to mention the armour piercing head throwers.

If it is not moddable though, or if they have battlefield units of ninjas, I am definitely not going to. :P

Then I doubt you'll be buying it. The CA seem to be moving away from "modability" and the fantasy units such as Kensai and Battlefield Nnja are almost certainly going to be in there. I hope not, but knowing CA, well... no doubt we shall see.

[Vuk]

I also forgot to mention the armour piercing head throwers.

lol, yeah. They were always the first thing that I modded out.

Then I doubt you'll be buying it. The CA seem to be moving away from "modability" and the fantasy units such as Kensai and Battlefield Nnja are almost certainly going to be in there. I hope not, but knowing CA, well... no doubt we shall see.

Yeah, I probably won't. I don't mind the fantasy units so much, as long as I can mod them into oblivion , but I refuse to support another Total War game without modding tools. I hope that others will too. The moddability of Total War games is what always has given them such value. You take that away and they are not worth the money that you spend on them.

[A Nerd]

The key word here is moddablity, if CA cares about the older gamers, it will be included. If not, and they are merely addressing this newer, younger crowd with all the before mentioned dislikes (fantasy, ahistoricality, etc), then they don't and it is up to the consumer to decide whether he will support CA or not. Unfortunately, the purists seem to be in the minority.

and the fantasy units such as Kensai and Battlefield Nnja are almost certainly going to be in there

I actually liked these units. I hope the Kensai is included, though I could do without the BNs. Just need some balancing issues to be resolved. An RPG diaymo and/or kensai...oooooh *salivating*!

[Martok]

but because the game will require steam, I will probably pass anyway.

This remains a huge sticking point for me as well; I really, really do not like Steam at all. I almost didn't get Empire because I was concerned about the program's invasiveness and download speeds....and it turned out I was right to worry.

Even if CA actually gets everything right with this next TW title (not bloody likely, given their track record), I'd still be extremely reluctant to get it, if only because of needing to have Steam to run the game. I won't say I absolutely wouldn't purchase it, but it does make my doing so much less likely.


Of course, it's probably a moot point anyway. Given how Rome, Medieval 2, and Empire turned out, I'm pretty pessimistic about CA's ability to do pull this off. I would dearly love to be proven wrong, but it's very hard for me to be hopeful at this point.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The press release is clearly a fake; it promises AI. [/cynicism]

CR

[Martok]

Hmm. The evidence for Shogun 2 seems to be mounting....


Go to IGN PC Games and check out the "mystery trailer": Watch what image appears when you place your cursor over it. Then listen to the music as the trailer plays; some of us will find it very familiar indeed!

Finally, CA has posted this haiku (which is originally a form of Japanese poetry) on their Twitter account: "In Spring it roams not. / Maybe eastern sun rises / Nor will it show guns".


I have to say, this certainly does seem to be pointing towards a sequel to STW. If it's not, then it's a superb piece of misdirection on CA's part.

The press release is clearly a fake; it promises AI. [/cynicism]

CR

Heh. Wish I wasn't so inclined to agree with you....

[pevergreen]

Go to IGN PC Games and check out the "mystery trailer": Watch what image appears when you place your cursor over it. Then listen to the music as the trailer plays; some of us will find it very familiar indeed!

I just lost respect for IGN.

It is impossible for me to view that page. I cannot get to any non AU part of ign. I click on its international links: United States, and it redirects me to... au.ign.com

Its not featured on the main page here.

I'd say its all but confirmed.

mystery-game-teaser-trailer/videos/shogun_trl_shodo_52710.html

I'm going to ask Beefy to see if he can read what some of the pages say.

[Gregoshi]

I'm hoping for STW2. Vuk, before STW, Japanese culture and history were at or near the bottom of my "things that interest me" list. STW changed all that.

[A Nerd]

before STW, Japanese culture and history were at or near the bottom of my "things that interest me" list. STW changed all that.

I agree. Before STW the only thing samurai related I knew or enjoyed were in a Kurisawa film. Once I bought and played this game, I felt like I was a samurai. Here's to rekindlilng that memory in my imagination! Let's hope the game lives up to expectations!

[a completely inoffensive name]

I hope you all know that if it is Shogun 2 and they manage to kill it as they did with Empire, this franchise and our forum might as well be dead.

[Veho Nex]

I hope you all know that if it is Shogun 2 and they manage to kill it as they did with Empire, this franchise and our forum might as well be dead.

Now why would you have to go and have those negative thoughts man.... Think positive thoughts and karma will carry us through in the end.

[Martok]

before STW, Japanese culture and history were at or near the bottom of my "things that interest me" list. STW changed all that.

Same here. For a long time, I'd had absolutely no interest in Japanese or Eastern culture. That changed with the release of Shogun; suddenly I found I couldn't get enough of it!

[a completely inoffensive name]

Now why would you have to go and have those negative thoughts man.... Think positive thoughts and karma will carry us through in the end.

I'm sorry, E:TW turned me into a pessimist.

[Vuk]

I'm hoping for STW2. Vuk, before STW, Japanese culture and history were at or near the bottom of my "things that interest me" list. STW changed all that.

Well, assuming that the game is moddable, I will give it the chance to change my mind.
(I still wish it was Korea: Total War though )

[DisruptorX]

Well then, if this is the case, fingers crossed that Ming China's in it and you can stomp on Japan.

[smooth_operator]

I've made a thread about what players would like to see in the next Total War on Gamespot...it's clear that fans want a Rome 2 and something that focuses on Asian Warfare..Something like Dynasty: Total War

[Ituralde]

I haven't seen this posted yet. Sounds real to me.

Shogun 2: Total War Leaked Announcement

[pevergreen]

Just saw this over at TWC. Not sure if it's legit; if it's not, then it's at least a pretty good fake:






No link to original source, so I remain skeptical. Still, 'twould be interesting if true.

Ituralde, falling behind my friend.

[Ituralde]

Phew, that's rather embarassing. Guess just skimming through the thread scanning for any IGN links wasn't enough. My bad.

At least there's some kind of source for it. Also if you follow the link and look into the comments they guy who posted the info claims that there's more to come:

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/55...aks-Out#197283

I guess we'll see once E3 starts.

[Beefy187]

I just lost respect for IGN.

It is impossible for me to view that page. I cannot get to any non AU part of ign. I click on its international links: United States, and it redirects me to... au.ign.com

Its not featured on the main page here.

I'd say its all but confirmed.

mystery-game-teaser-trailer/videos/shogun_trl_shodo_52710.html

I'm going to ask Beefy to see if he can read what some of the pages say.

His talking about quality to be a good Shogun. And he wrote shogun on those papers.

[Reenk Roink]

I'm willing to go and buy S2:TW regardless of the quality of the recent releases just because of the setting. And hopefully the game after this one will be Rome 2.

[pevergreen]

I'm willing to go and buy S2:TW regardless of the quality of the recent releases just because of the setting. And hopefully the game after this one will be Rome 2.

[Vuk]

Yeah, I was really hoping for a Rome 2 as well. :P

[Kagemusha]

Interesting..

[edyzmedieval]

I sense a revival of our Org Samurai in here if STW2 is out...

I'm all in for an STW2. I just hope it brings back the feel of the original.

[pevergreen]

In other news, from Creative Assembley's official twitter:

It doesn't end at zero.
7:10 AM May 31st via Twitterrific

DAH DAH DUUUMMMM.

http://twitter.com/CAGames

[edyzmedieval]

It's Shogun 2 TW, the hourglass will end along with PC Gamer's Revelation tomorrow...

First game I've been looking forward to since RTW.

[pevergreen]

It's Shogun 2 TW, the hourglass will end along with PC Gamer's Revelation tomorrow...

First game I've been looking forward to since RTW.

Everything seems to point towards it. Or as on the .com says, Mongol: Total War?

As beefy said though, the video on IGN has the guy writing 'shogun' and talking about what it takes to be a strong leader.