EB Online Tourney: July 2010 - Special Anniversary Edition

[antisocialmunky]

I remember at some point we restricted Pre-Marian Rome to 33K with chevrons. If you go no chevron then you get Elephants.

[vartan]

I remember at some point we restricted Pre-Marian Rome to 33K with chevrons. If you go no chevron then you get Elephants.

Care to elaborate and reason this out?

[gamegeek2]

EDIT: I'll have a look at the rosters, then make my choice.

[vartan]

EDIT: I'll have a look at the rosters, then make my choice.

I'm sure I said this in the OP but if anyone is having technical problems even after reading and going through all the instructions on the site, contact me.

[antisocialmunky]

33K just worked for the Romans decently well last time and if you go no chevrons then the Romans will just grab some elephant mercs because they have so much extra money.

[vartan]

33K just worked for the Romans decently well last time and if you go no chevrons then the Romans will just grab some elephant mercs because they have so much extra money.

Done. (Chev only gives 1atk 1def and 1morale AFAIK so...not too bad.)

[antisocialmunky]

I think its 2 morale which is what mad my Romans ridiculously hard to break.

[vartan]

I think its 2 morale which is what mad my Romans ridiculously hard to break.

Oh that's not too bad. All I can say is "Great". Now we have to either fear elephants or all-chevron Roman units. No need to fear. Oh well. Maybe it simulates the awesomeness of historical Romans. I don't know. Help. Please.

[Apázlinemjó]

33K just worked for the Romans decently well last time and if you go no chevrons then the Romans will just grab some elephant mercs because they have so much extra money.

Isn't it a bit harsh, no chevrons for Romani, 33k and elite restrictions? Also the Marian units are more expensive than the Pre-Marians, what about them?

[Jebivjetar]

Isn't it a bit harsh, no chevrons for Romani, 33k and elite restrictions? Also the Marian units are more expensive than the Pre-Marians, what about them?

Yeah, that's a complicated issue, and i think it would be good if we, participants in this tourney, discuss it.

Anyway: here's my opinion. Something has to be changed. Yesterday i fought a battle against a polybian Romans and, objectively, my opponent had far more superior troops than mine. Take this example: 4 units of hastati broke my main line composed of heavy infantry + 1 unit of African elite pikemen. They were chevroned, fcourse, i had absolutely no money for chevrons. Situation was that just hastati and one unit of principes were able rout my main line, composed of elites and some spearmen. In reserve i had only few units of levies, while Romans had like 4 units of triari and cca 4 units of principes just for flanking job (their hastati were, i repeat, chevroned and able to kill my main line).
I had no troops to face Roman outflankers: just some light infantry and that's it.

That's not fair!

One more example: one unit of polybian principes/hastati cost cca 1200 minai: as non-Roman player, what can someone else take for the same sum of money?... Celtic spearmen? That's an absurde. In addition to that, Romans can put a chevron on the unit of principes and hastati, and win only because of the stats of their army: no creativity is needed in such situation to won a battle, because you can only send your troops and watch them winning. And that misses the main point of tournaments like this, imho: battles need to be challenging, and anyone who wants to win must be creative in battle process...

That's why i found that there's no point to fight chevroned Romans, they're too strong and only a blind man could lose playing with them. That's why i decided not to fight such kind of battles anymore, it's simply not fair.

[vartan]

Isn't it a bit harsh, no chevrons for Romani, 33k and elite restrictions? Also the Marian units are more expensive than the Pre-Marians, what about them?

Listen up men. Roman units are cheap. Romans had reserves and reserves of manpower. There is no denying this. Romans can even get 1 chevron per unit just like the rest of us. The only Romans that can only use 33k are the pre-Marians. And 8 elite limit for Romans of any era...you call this harsh? Bring 8/20 units of Triarii and let's call that harsh. We're talking 40% of your army...elite. Romans were professional soldiers. But this doesn't justify nor represent any truths...almost half elite? 8 is certainly generous IMHO, because half of those can be elite cavalry, and the rest elite infantry. Romans don't have the best cavalry, so you might as well muster a strong elite reserve force. There's no excuse to losing battles if half of your men are reserve and elite, is there?

Just some food for thought, nothing final. Let me hear some thoughts.

[The Celtic Viking]

Yeah; Romans get a cost reduction for their infantry (might be cavalry too but I don't know) because of their legendary ability to raise new legions to replace lost ones. AFAIK, this would however not have an effect on single, isolated battles such as MP ones, so IMO the cost reduction shouldn't be there. Thus giving Romans a lesser sum of money to play around with is completely justified AFAIC.

Regarding elites... I'd say 8 is a generous figure.

One last thing: I just checked, and MP works for me now. I'm a definite member of this tourny.

[Apázlinemjó]

Listen up men. Roman units are cheap. Romans had reserves and reserves of manpower. There is no denying this. Romans can even get 1 chevron per unit just like the rest of us. The only Romans that can only use 33k are the pre-Marians. And 8 elite limit for Romans of any era...you call this harsh? Bring 8/20 units of Triarii and let's call that harsh. We're talking 40% of your army...elite. Romans were professional soldiers. But this doesn't justify nor represent any truths...almost half elite? 8 is certainly generous IMHO, because half of those can be elite cavalry, and the rest elite infantry. Romans don't have the best cavalry, so you might as well muster a strong elite reserve force. There's no excuse to losing battles if half of your men are reserve and elite, is there?

Just some food for thought, nothing final. Let me hear some thoughts.

Lawl, I was talking about the restrictions on the Romani altogether, but if they can buy the +1 chevron, then it's cool. And I came up with 8 elite limit, remember? You don't need to explain that to me. ;-)

[gamegeek2]

Count me for Sauromatae.

[vartan]

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[Ghaust the Moor]

I want to do this but I don't know how to get all set up to play online. If anyone can let me know, I would greatly appreceate it

[vartan]

I want to do this but I don't know how to get all set up to play online. If anyone can let me know, I would greatly appreceate it

You see where it says EB Online in my sig? Yeah. Click on that. Once you reach the webpage, click on the tab named Getting Started (Instructions). Read it.

[_Agrippa_]

Sign me as Epeiros thanks :D

[Sir Kerwick]

Hi guys I'd like to join this tournament with the AEDUI ;)

[Sir Kerwick]

Hi guys I'd like to join this tournament with the AEDUI ;)

sorry i want to change my faction with the romans if it's possible

[Jack Dionne]

Sign me up, as Baktria please.

[vartan]

Thanks again Apaz for collaborating today. We're done with the factional unit lists. There are 19 because Saba is unrestricted. Doesn't necessarily make them IMBA, just skirmishable and annoying on 36k. Get missiles.

[Apázlinemjó]

Thanks again Apaz for collaborating today. We're done with the factional unit lists. There are 19 because Saba is unrestricted. Doesn't necessarily make them IMBA, just skirmishable and annoying on 36k. Get missiles.

No problem. Please add me to Pontos.

[Burebista]

Sign me up as Saka.

Ps . I am Ovidiuhtm but decided that this name is nicer:P

[retep219]

Could I sign up as the Getai?

[vartan]

Done.

P.S. We only have 3 Jury members as of this writing. I won't ask for Jury members, that doesn't seem right to me. But if anybody is in any form willing to act as a Jury member and for whatever reason not as a participating player, it would be highly appreciated. More than can be expressed in this reply window.

Thank you all,
Vartan

[Tanit]

How does one act as a Jury member and what is expected of them?

EDIT: nvm, just read the site, yeah I'm down for Jury duty. Official EB Team representation, there you go.

[vartan]

How does one act as a Jury member and what is expected of them?

EDIT: nvm, just read the site, yeah I'm down for Jury duty. Official EB Team representation, there you go.

Thanks mate.

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[SlickNicaG69]

Post Marian Rome G!

[Kikaz]

I'm glad to see that everyone is playing Romans