So, we need more gay people to have kids...

[Kadagar_AV]

Link in Swedish

So, a study that begun in the 80's show that children of the oh so horrible gays, the menace to society, yadda yadda seem to be great parents.

The study was made on Lesbians, and check-ups on the kids have been made when the children were 2, 5, 10 and 17 years old.

What was measured was things like depression, anxiety, violence and social ability, using the Child Behavior Checklist.

These children actually came out with, in average, BETTER results compared to children from heterosexual homes.

Must be rubbish being a redneck or American Taliban now, no? ;)

Reasons why these children are better off seem to be that their conception was very much planned, as contrary to how heterosexuals usually do it (broken condom on the prom anyone?)

Also, the horrible gays seem to be somewhat older and more mature when conceiving, all in all leading to a more stable home situation.

And as a PS: This study was made in the US, I would believe the results would have been even better in a more open minded country, where the assumption of this being a problem doesn't even exist to begin with (except among some backwater fringe groups).

*puts on my flameproof jacket*

[Beskar]

Or just allow homosexuals to adopt. Then those "oh so broken condom" incidents, end up with parents that love them.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It's fairly obvious that people who really want to have kids will raise them better than the average.

[rory_20_uk]

Lesbians probably will have chosen to have children and to care for them. The hetro populace will have the dross who has them without thinking.

[Fragony]

Used to be against it but I grew up, got np with it anymore

[Gregoshi]

How is it that broken condom pregnancies never happen to gays? Is there a conspiracy against heterosexuals?

[Kadagar_AV]

Used to be against it but I grew up, got np with it anymore

*gasp!* I was hoping you would join in with the Talibans on this issue :)

Well done mate, not many people dare to challenge their own beliefs, and even less change them :)

[Vladimir]

Link in Swedish

So, a study that begun in the 80's show that children of the oh so horrible gays, the menace to society, yadda yadda seem to be great parents.

The study was made on Lesbians, and check-ups on the kids have been made when the children were 2, 5, 10 and 17 years old.

What was measured was things like depression, anxiety, violence and social ability, using the Child Behavior Checklist.

These children actually came out with, in average, BETTER results compared to children from heterosexual homes.

Must be rubbish being a redneck or American Taliban now, no? ;)

Reasons why these children are better off seem to be that their conception was very much planned, as contrary to how heterosexuals usually do it (broken condom on the prom anyone?)

Also, the horrible gays seem to be somewhat older and more mature when conceiving, all in all leading to a more stable home situation.

And as a PS: This study was made in the US, I would believe the results would have been even better in a more open minded country, where the assumption of this being a problem doesn't even exist to begin with (except among some backwater fringe groups).

*puts on my flameproof jacket*

So the issue is not that gays are better parents but that couples should wait until they are older and more mature before having children.

[spmetla]

I don't agree with their lifestyle but if they can raise kids and do a better job of it than average heterosexual couples then let them do so without any hindrance.

[Fragony]

I don't agree with their lifestyle but if they can raise kids and do a better job of it than average heterosexual couples then let them do so without any hindrance.

There's a rub there, because being a homosexual still isn't easy, and having a kid pretty naturally has more meaning (acceptance) to them then it has with a normal couple, so I don't doubt they will be very loving parents or at least will avoid letting down. But how different will it be when it is normal when homosexuals raise kids, acceptance is no longer an issue, they are human beings after all and humans have flaws. Wouldn't it normalize, let's look again in 10 or 20 years.

[Kadagar_AV]

So the issue is not that gays are better parents but that couples should wait until they are older and more mature before having children.

I guess you could read it like that. It is not what I myself would deem as the correct way of reading it, mind you, but I guess you could, in theory.

One would, perhaps, rather assume that this article very much argued against people arguing that gay people should not raise children.

If you re-read the article some, I think you might find that the question of age is more like a side note when you look at the picture at large.

[Beskar]

I guess you could read it like that. It is not what I myself would deem as the correct way of reading it, mind you, but I guess you could, in theory.

One would, perhaps, rather assume that this article very much argued against people arguing that gay people should not raise children.

If you re-read the article some, I think you might find that the question of age is more like a side note when you look at the picture at large.

It is two-fold really. Vladimir is completely correct in his point, that is pretty much the reason why they on average are better. As due to the very nature of being homosexual, you have to have a serious sit-down and talk about it and actively choose to have kids or raise a child as your own flesh on blood. Compared to you mentioning about the "oh so broken condom" incident. This statistics also show if that the homosexual parents are better than the average, then there is no reason to be against homosexual parents adopting, for example.

Though, I really dislike it when Lesbians for incidence, try to decieve people in having sex with them so they can have a child. They do this by basically going out to nightclubs, etc, flauting their booty, then having random sex with males, in attempts to get pregnant.

[Kadagar_AV]

It is two-fold really. Vladimir is completely correct in his point, that is pretty much the reason why they on average are better. As due to the very nature of being homosexual, you have to have a serious sit-down and talk about it and actively choose to have kids or raise a child as your own flesh on blood. Compared to you mentioning about the "oh so broken condom" incident. This statistics also show if that the homosexual parents are better than the average, then there is no reason to be against homosexual parents adopting, for example.

Though, I really dislike it when Lesbians for incidence, try to decieve people in having sex with them so they can have a child. They do this by basically going out to nightclubs, etc, flauting their booty, then having random sex with males, in attempts to get pregnant.

Indeed. That is just horrible. Having one girl to unmentionable stuff while the other simultaneously do unmentionable stuff... Yuck yuck yuck!

Smart guys of course bring a condom when playing "hide the Willie" with strangers :)
*or at the very least do an air assault instead of trying to get his forces behind the enemy lines*


As to Vladimirs point... As much as he was right about the side note, he missed the larger topic at hand, that there is nothing saying homosexuals would be worse parents. Dont get me wrong, I know you got it :)

[Beskar]

Indeed. That is just horrible. Having one girl to unmentionable stuff while the other simultaneously do unmentionable stuff... Yuck yuck yuck!

Smart guys of course bring a condom when playing "hide the Willie" with strangers :)
*or at the very least do an air assault instead of trying to get his forces behind the enemy lines*

You successfully left me in a bemused state on whether you are attempting to do a joke with me, or trying to do a joke at my expense.

Though, you forget the lines like "I am on the pill." or they supply a broken condom.

Haven't had it happened personally to myself, but I know quite a number of incidents where both straight and lesbians have done this.

[Louis VI the Fat]

These children actually came out with, in average, BETTER results compared to children from heterosexual homes.

Must be rubbish being a redneck or American Taliban now, no? ;)

Lesbians make great parents.

Me, I think a lot of children would be better off without a father. Many fathers destabilise families by being a nasty brute. Many more are present but absent. Two mothers would be a blessing for many a family.



As for the Taliban a state has little say over two lesbians getting pregnant. A state can, however, prevent adoption by a homosexual couple. Guess what? Several American states pioneered it, legalising gay adoption well before - yes, I'm afraid I'm doing it again - Sweden did. Also, going by state populations on either side of the Atlantic that allow adoption, as of yet, a larger percentage of American than European gays are allowed to adopt. The score is Redneck Taliban - Europeans 2-1.

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Gay adoption was pioneered in several US states in the 1990s. Following their example, several European states followed suit. For example Sweden, which overcame its Redneck Taliban opposition in 2002. No European state has allowed it for more than a decade.


The liberal European Northwest allows gay adoption, together with Spain, which saw some surprisingly liberal legislation passed this last decade:





In America, gay adoption is allowed in the liberal Westcoast, Midwest, Northeast. And in most of those provinces north of the US border, what's it called again :



Purple: gay adoption allowed
Pink: somewhat
Grey: not allowed
Red: prohibited by law


Taking population distribution in account, it looks like a much larger percentage of American than EU gays can adopt.

Which means Europe is lagging! The theocracies of Italy, Poland and Ireland won't allow it anytime soon. The East and Southeast won't either. But I am very disappointed in central Europe.

[Vladimir]

Lesbians...

Oh snap!

Another victory for the French.

[Kadagar_AV]

Louis, first of all, I am way more European than Swedish. So the Swedish punches really does not distract me much.

Yes some states in the US were ahead of Sweden in acknowledging gay adoption, on paper. Would you have been spent some time in Sweden in the earlier years though, you would have seen that gay people still could adopt from the 60's or so. Official law and unofficial law is not always the same, as you well know. The Swedish gay movement was more about having the official ability than the actual ability. There is some state in the US that STILL has the law dictating that a man must walk in front of the car waving a red flag if a woman drives. That does not however mean I flame America about it, as the law is obsolete and just happen to have stayed intact as it doesnt hurt anyone, get the point?

And I am not saying that Sweden is some perfect country, mind you, there are reason why I do not live there!


History aside.

Let us forget about the past, and look at Sweden NOW, compared to the US now... Gay people in Sweden can adopt, get married, serve openly in the army.... In how many US states is that ok, dude?

Touché mon ami :)

[Vladimir]

Louis, first of all, I am way more European than Swedish. So the Swedish punches really does not distract me much.

Yes some states in the US were ahead of Sweden in acknowledging gay adoption, on paper. Would you have been spent some time in Sweden in the earlier years though, you would have seen that gay people still could adopt from the 60's or so. Official law and unofficial law is not always the same, as you well know. The Swedish gay movement was more about having the official ability than the actual ability. There is some state in the US that STILL has the law dictating that a man must walk in front of the car waving a red flag if a woman drives. That does not however mean I flame America about it, as the law is obsolete and just happen to have stayed intact as it doesnt hurt anyone, get the point?

And I am not saying that Sweden is some perfect country, mind you, there are reason why I do not live there!


History aside.

Let us forget about the past, and look at Sweden NOW, compared to the US now... Gay people in Sweden can adopt, get married, serve openly in the army.... In how many US states is that ok, dude?

Touché mon ami :)

Wait, hold on. Are you bragging that Sweeden is gayer than the U.S.? I'm not one to judge so if you want to hang your hat on that, than so be it.

[edyzmedieval]

No one doubting their better parents, I would expect so to be honest.

It's just the idea of the child asking at home "Why do I have two daddies and no mommy like everyone else?" frightens me greatly. Especially when the child grows enough to realise he's been conceived in a test tube or forgotten by his biological parents.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

No one doubting their better parents, I would expect so to be honest.

Why is that?

[edyzmedieval]

People who really want children and go at great odds to "get" one are more prepared and they really desire one, so they're much more attentive than the average person with his child.

[Beskar]

No one doubting their better parents, I would expect so to be honest.

It's just the idea of the child asking at home "Why do I have two daddies and no mommy like everyone else?" frightens me greatly. Especially when the child grows enough to realise he's been conceived in a test tube or forgotten by his biological parents.

Then again, the same issue is with adoption happens anyway, or even single-mothers/fathers.

I know one couple which adopted which since the very beginning mentioned they are in a loving family who chose to have them, not handing the fact they were even adopted in the first place.

Being honest, the whole "I was adopted, I need to find my real parents" is a complete lark anyway. A parent is the person who loves you, takes care of you, and raises you. It isn't who's sexual part created you.

[Strike For The South]

Me, I think a lot of children would be better off without a father. Many fathers destabilise families by being a nasty brute. Many more are present but absent. Two mothers would be a blessing for many a family.
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This is a stupid statement....I hope you are focused on nasty French sex because if not I am angry sad and pissed off