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    So, a study that begun in the 80's show that children of the oh so horrible gays, the menace to society, yadda yadda seem to be great parents.

    The study was made on Lesbians, and check-ups on the kids have been made when the children were 2, 5, 10 and 17 years old.

    What was measured was things like depression, anxiety, violence and social ability, using the Child Behavior Checklist.

    These children actually came out with, in average, BETTER results compared to children from heterosexual homes.

    Must be rubbish being a redneck or American Taliban now, no? ;)

    Reasons why these children are better off seem to be that their conception was very much planned, as contrary to how heterosexuals usually do it (broken condom on the prom anyone?)

    Also, the horrible gays seem to be somewhat older and more mature when conceiving, all in all leading to a more stable home situation.

    And as a PS: This study was made in the US, I would believe the results would have been even better in a more open minded country, where the assumption of this being a problem doesn't even exist to begin with (except among some backwater fringe groups).

    *puts on my flameproof jacket*
    So the issue is not that gays are better parents but that couples should wait until they are older and more mature before having children.


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    I don't agree with their lifestyle but if they can raise kids and do a better job of it than average heterosexual couples then let them do so without any hindrance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spmetla View Post
    I don't agree with their lifestyle but if they can raise kids and do a better job of it than average heterosexual couples then let them do so without any hindrance.
    There's a rub there, because being a homosexual still isn't easy, and having a kid pretty naturally has more meaning (acceptance) to them then it has with a normal couple, so I don't doubt they will be very loving parents or at least will avoid letting down. But how different will it be when it is normal when homosexuals raise kids, acceptance is no longer an issue, they are human beings after all and humans have flaws. Wouldn't it normalize, let's look again in 10 or 20 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    So the issue is not that gays are better parents but that couples should wait until they are older and more mature before having children.
    I guess you could read it like that. It is not what I myself would deem as the correct way of reading it, mind you, but I guess you could, in theory.

    One would, perhaps, rather assume that this article very much argued against people arguing that gay people should not raise children.

    If you re-read the article some, I think you might find that the question of age is more like a side note when you look at the picture at large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    I guess you could read it like that. It is not what I myself would deem as the correct way of reading it, mind you, but I guess you could, in theory.

    One would, perhaps, rather assume that this article very much argued against people arguing that gay people should not raise children.

    If you re-read the article some, I think you might find that the question of age is more like a side note when you look at the picture at large.
    It is two-fold really. Vladimir is completely correct in his point, that is pretty much the reason why they on average are better. As due to the very nature of being homosexual, you have to have a serious sit-down and talk about it and actively choose to have kids or raise a child as your own flesh on blood. Compared to you mentioning about the "oh so broken condom" incident. This statistics also show if that the homosexual parents are better than the average, then there is no reason to be against homosexual parents adopting, for example.

    Though, I really dislike it when Lesbians for incidence, try to decieve people in having sex with them so they can have a child. They do this by basically going out to nightclubs, etc, flauting their booty, then having random sex with males, in attempts to get pregnant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    It is two-fold really. Vladimir is completely correct in his point, that is pretty much the reason why they on average are better. As due to the very nature of being homosexual, you have to have a serious sit-down and talk about it and actively choose to have kids or raise a child as your own flesh on blood. Compared to you mentioning about the "oh so broken condom" incident. This statistics also show if that the homosexual parents are better than the average, then there is no reason to be against homosexual parents adopting, for example.

    Though, I really dislike it when Lesbians for incidence, try to decieve people in having sex with them so they can have a child. They do this by basically going out to nightclubs, etc, flauting their booty, then having random sex with males, in attempts to get pregnant.
    Indeed. That is just horrible. Having one girl to unmentionable stuff while the other simultaneously do unmentionable stuff... Yuck yuck yuck!

    Smart guys of course bring a condom when playing "hide the Willie" with strangers :)
    *or at the very least do an air assault instead of trying to get his forces behind the enemy lines*


    As to Vladimirs point... As much as he was right about the side note, he missed the larger topic at hand, that there is nothing saying homosexuals would be worse parents. Dont get me wrong, I know you got it :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Indeed. That is just horrible. Having one girl to unmentionable stuff while the other simultaneously do unmentionable stuff... Yuck yuck yuck!

    Smart guys of course bring a condom when playing "hide the Willie" with strangers :)
    *or at the very least do an air assault instead of trying to get his forces behind the enemy lines*
    You successfully left me in a bemused state on whether you are attempting to do a joke with me, or trying to do a joke at my expense.

    Though, you forget the lines like "I am on the pill." or they supply a broken condom.

    Haven't had it happened personally to myself, but I know quite a number of incidents where both straight and lesbians have done this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    You successfully left me in a bemused state on whether you are attempting to do a joke with me, or trying to do a joke at my expense.

    Though, you forget the lines like "I am on the pill." or they supply a broken condom.

    Haven't had it happened personally to myself, but I know quite a number of incidents where both straight and lesbians have done this.
    Why could it not just have been a joke, without it being personal? :)

    And as to the common quotes, smart guys bring their own condom, and attach it themselves. I know I do.
    *except this one time with this polish girl who were extremely dexterous with her tongue and lips, making the process of rubbering up quite a joy*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    *except this one time with this polish girl who were extremely dexterous with her tongue and lips, making the process of rubbering up quite a joy*
    Eww. Don't need to hear about Kadagar getting "rubbered up." Just admit the impaler is right. I got that name for a reason, you know.


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    Can't say for sure without looking at the research report itself, but this appears to be correlational data. If so, it can make little or no assessments of the causility for the results, only spotlight issues for further investigation.

    Are significant differences reported between lesbian couples raising a child and heterosexual couples raising a child when all other factors are at/near equal levels? From the snippets in these news pieces, it is impossible to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Haven't had it happened personally to myself, but I know quite a number of incidents where both straight and lesbians have done this.
    You know of quite a few incidents of guys being decieved into concieving children with lesbians? I didn't know it was such a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
    You know of quite a few incidents of guys being decieved into concieving children with lesbians? I didn't know it was such a problem.
    Well, both lesbians and heterosexual females who felt like they wanted children. I oppose it due to the morality of it.

    It is a rare problem, but I know a couple of people who has had it happen to them. One of them was a distant non-blood related cousin, to make his situation worse, something like 12 guys had to be DNA tested to determine the father.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    You successfully left me in a bemused state on whether you are attempting to do a joke with me, or trying to do a joke at my expense.

    Though, you forget the lines like "I am on the pill." or they supply a broken condom.

    Haven't had it happened personally to myself, but I know quite a number of incidents where both straight and lesbians have done this.
    "On the pill? Hah! I'm still putting on my rubber, thankyouverymuch.

    You have your own condom? What a coincidence; so do I! Let's go with mine, shall we?"

    That's my mode of operation. I strongly suggest that everyone else adopts it too. Condoms need to be treated properly. You can treat it properly yourself, but you have no garantuee that the other won't leave it in the sun or something else that'll ruin it.

    I went along with "I'm on the pill" once. The result was that I was nervous for the next 9 months. Not going down that road ever again, I tell you....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
    I've never understood hatred of gays, a lot of it coming from people I otherwise agree with politically. It has no basis in rational thought, much like antisemitism. I blame deep seeded religious influences.

    Actually, I guess you could blame the Jews for writing the Torah that has been the basis of homophobia for millenia.
    I think it has more to do people being insecure about their homosexuality. Homophobia is almost always directed at same-sex homosexuals.

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    "On the pill? Hah! I'm still putting on my rubber, thankyouverymuch.

    You have your own condom? What a coincidence; so do I! Let's go with mine, shall we?"

    That's my mode of operation. I strongly suggest that everyone else adopts it too. Condoms need to be treated properly. You can treat it properly yourself, but you have no garantuee that the other won't leave it in the sun or something else that'll ruin it.

    I went along with "I'm on the pill" once. The result was that I was nervous for the next 9 months. Not going down that road ever again, I tell you....
    You have issues, really.

    Anyway, pregnancy is hardly the most negative outcome of having sex, it's probably the least serious if anything.
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