Suggestion for a different rule set in EB multiplayer

[vartan]

Personally, my favorite mnai level is about 20k. All sorts of troops suddenly become much more desirable... and the few elites you see actually seem more elite since they're slaughtering lower-quality troops wholesale :).

I always feel good about myself every time I see a fellow Californian on the Guild. Anyway, I was thinking we could leave the rules as they are and have High-Money games and Low-Money games...assuming 36k to be the High-Money. Is 24k too high for a "Low-Money" game? It's two-thirds of 36k! I suppose it wouldn't be unfair to include low and high money games in the tournament (i.e. any low or high money game win counts equally as one point).

[antisocialmunky]

I think 24k is a good amount. I was just about to suggest this. 24K anything goes.

[vartan]

I think 24k is a good amount. I was just about to suggest this. 24K anything goes.

What do you mean anything goes? Does that mean the unit limits are off? So I can bring more than 4 archer/sling, etc.?

[mountaingoat]

i think around 28k .. it seems that you could bring close to , if not , a full stack ( with some factions ) and still bring a very decent army (with few elites).. else u could bring more an elite army with a half stack or so .. if you put both armies against each other ( more elites & less troop numbers vs the less elites & higher troop numbers ) either one could take victory.

there should still be limitations in terms of unit types for each roster .. elites should be uncapped ... archers and cav limited to factions (steppe get more) .. i have not read any of the current rules so i duno

[antisocialmunky]

I dunno, the idea was to make things not broken at 36K with those limits but at a lower price point those limits get more unbalanced. Probably the most important one is the Steppe Archer limit since armor values are going to drop like a rock at those price limits. Maybe you should bump up the archer limit by atleast 1 so we can shoot those down easier. We should also think about the 10K Elephant credit since they are comepletely unusable at 24K and it would not be fun without the chaotic random that is the elephant.

[vartan]

i have not read any of the current rules so i duno

Please read the rules on the website. It will prevent redundant and unnecessary posts, such as yours.

I dunno, the idea was to make things not broken at 36K with those limits but at a lower price point those limits get more unbalanced. Probably the most important one is the Steppe Archer limit since armor values are going to drop like a rock at those price limits. Maybe you should bump up the archer limit by atleast 1 so we can shoot those down easier. We should also think about the 10K Elephant credit since they are comepletely unusable at 24K and it would not be fun without the chaotic random that is the elephant.

Can you explain a bit more about what the elephant credit is, how it would work, and whether it should be exclusive to the 24k model and not the 36k model. And do you mean to increase the steppe archer/slinger limit from 8 to 9?

[antisocialmunky]

No, increase the civilized faction missile limit by 1 because infantry armor will generally decrease.

Elephant Credit was a 10K for anyone who wants to bring an elephant. Just set the mnai 10K more, the other person can't use that 10K, just the person with elephants.

[MisterFred]

Just remember Vartan that in the end, there will be no strong consensus. The benefit of being willing to go to the effort of setting up a website, forum topics, etc, is that you'll get (and need to make) the final say on posted rules. Otherwise... CHAOS

[Apázlinemjó]

I always feel good about myself every time I see a fellow Californian on the Guild. Anyway, I was thinking we could leave the rules as they are and have High-Money games and Low-Money games...assuming 36k to be the High-Money. Is 24k too high for a "Low-Money" game? It's two-thirds of 36k! I suppose it wouldn't be unfair to include low and high money games in the tournament (i.e. any low or high money game win counts equally as one point).

Totally supporting this.

[VikingPower]

I know that there is a Chevron limit of 1 for each unit, but can there be made an exception with low cost slingers which do only have an attack of 1 with their slingers (like the Shepherds of Lusotana faction or Celtic slingers), so that such units can be upgraded with 2 chevrons so their missile attack will be similar to an upgraded Hellenic slinger (base attack 2). For I have noticed another thread about the baeleric slingers that they have lesser ammo and other things which make them rather overrated in the game while one would rather field a cheaper slingers as an alternate option.

[MisterFred]

It's too narrow an exception, too many rules and its impossible to keep track of them all. Some factions just have better units in the same class (Roman 200 man quality infantry, Lusotann superior javelin range). Lusotann, for instance, has a much better selection of AP infantry than the KH, but they get crappier slingers. These things happen.

[vartan]

I know that there is a Chevron limit of 1 for each unit, but can there be made an exception with low cost slingers which do only have an attack of 1 with their slingers (like the Shepherds of Lusotana faction or Celtic slingers), so that such units can be upgraded with 2 chevrons so their missile attack will be similar to an upgraded Hellenic slinger (base attack 2). For I have noticed another thread about the baeleric slingers that they have lesser ammo and other things which make them rather overrated in the game while one would rather field a cheaper slingers as an alternate option.

It's too narrow an exception, too many rules and its impossible to keep track of them all. Some factions just have better units in the same class (Roman 200 man quality infantry, Lusotann superior javelin range). Lusotann, for instance, has a much better selection of AP infantry than the KH, but they get crappier slingers. These things happen.

That's right Fred, each faction has its pros and cons.

@VikingPower: Slingers going from 1 to 3 attack have increased attack by 300 percent. Archers going from 4 to 5 have increased only 25 percent. That's a force multiplication difference factor of 300/25 = 12. That's 12 times the difference in effect of 2 chevrons for a slinger and an archer. This is why all get 1 chev.

[Apázlinemjó]

That's right Fred, each faction has its pros and cons.

@VikingPower: Slingers going from 1 to 3 attack have increased attack by 300 percent. Archers going from 4 to 5 have increased only 25 percent. That's a force multiplication difference factor of 300/25 = 12. That's 12 times the difference in effect of 2 chevrons for a slinger and an archer. This is why all get 1 chev.

Also 2 chevrons raise the moral by 4!!!

[vartan]

Also 2 chevrons raise the moral by 4!!!

Supposedly. I've never read anything about morale boosts.

[antisocialmunky]

+2 morale for 1 Chevron. You really need it to counter scary. I think Ludens said it was +1 if its not the first one of a color.