Armor of the Shipri Tukul (Babylonian Heavy Spearmen)...most awesome merc infantry

[athanaric]

The point system by EB is a disaster.I have replaced it personally with a wargaming count system from here:

Um, er, EB's system was made by people with extensive historical knowledge. Not to mention people with a practical approach who advised them. I'd actually prefer that to systems devised by other game developers, thank you very much.

[Apázlinemjó]

Babylonians.. meh, Misthophoroi Thraikioi Peltastai all the way.

[Intranetusa]

The point system by EB is a disaster.I have replaced it personally with a wargaming count system from here:
http://home.versatel.nl/richardevers2000/index.htm
and here:
http://www.ancientbattles.com/index_...ntBattles.html
If you like the realism in the game i advice to move from the screen to the table.

Um, er, EB's system was made by people with extensive historical knowledge. Not to mention people with a practical approach who advised them. I'd actually prefer that to systems devised by other game developers, thank you very much.

I'mma tweak the armor values a little by my own method - namely, the more 'epic' the armor looks and the more it covers, the more points I'll give it. And the more epic or the bigger the shield looks (and the material metal vs wood, etc) the more points it gets...



IMO, the most epic looking armor for elite units: Sacred Band Phalanx, Distinguished KH Hoplites, Spartans, Camillian Triari, and those crazy triple-layered mail/scale shock troops from Seleucid and Iberia

honorable mentions go to other elite units such as the Iberian Assault infantry, Praetorian or Veterans cohort, Elite African Pikemen, Any cataphract cavalry, Sacred Band Cavalry


*btw, I heard the crazy triple mail-armored unit for Lusotanian (sp?) was disabled due to their rarity (still around for Seleucid I hope). Would it be still inaccurate for my campaign, say, to make them cost more to recruit than elephants in order to still have them around in the single player campaign?

ie. Cost 8000-12,0000 to recruit, 2000-3000 to maintain

[vartan]

Um, er, EB's system was made by people with extensive historical knowledge. Not to mention people with a practical approach who advised them. I'd actually prefer that to systems devised by other game developers, thank you very much.

Doesn't mean it couldn't use a revamping! I just tell myself that if something costs ridiculously more than something, say, in the West, then perhaps it wasn't used as much and/or simply put, really costed more!!

[Ca Putt]

Pontian and armenian heavy infantry compared to legionnaries come to mind.^^ or siege engines.

Shipri Tukul are also one of my favorites, although i often hae the feeling that they are too expensive for their preformance. still they are an essencial part of my parthian royal army(infantry devision) useing them as line infantry is my way of getting rid of my surplus money as I don't like to use elephants (not to mention getting them from india to syria) and find that a navy of "boats" is just not ipressive enough for it's price :D still i think they really could use 1-2 extra armor points for their clothing or so.

[vartan]

Pontian and armenian heavy infantry

No such thing! Haha, unfortunately.

[Hannibal Khan the Great]

No such thing! Haha, unfortunately.

Hayasdan have their palace guards.

[vartan]

Hayasdan have their palace guards.

Exactly. At the palace, not in the field! LOL

[Ca Putt]

sorry i meant medium/"Elite" infantry ;)

[athanaric]

No such thing! Haha, unfortunately.

sorry i meant medium/"Elite" infantry ;)

Heavy=/=elite.
The Hai armoured swordsmen may well count as heavy infantry. The problem though is their lethality (0.1), which is sub par. Other units of their "class" have 0.13 lethality.

BTW I think Shipri Tukul are just fine as they are.

[Ca Putt]

the pontian version is called Elite the armenian one medium is that so hard to understand. they look rather heavy so I reffered to them as heavy infantry. both are rather similar and are a perfect example of EB unit pricing taking hitorical availibility etc into account.

[Intranetusa]

BTW I think Shipri Tukul are just fine as they are.

But they cost more than a principes, and have less morale than a hastati despite having 'trained/high_discipline' traits. And they have the same armor value as a polybian hastati despite the hastati only have a single chest square while the shipri tukul have complete torso armor...

[vartan]

We Armenians get **** swords (= It's really fun, especially considering our eons old iron works.

[Kikaz]

No such thing! Haha, unfortunately.

Pontikoi Thorakitai

[vartan]

Pontikoi Thorakitai

More like Pontic Light Infantry. But it's fine online now that we've given it the boosts it needs.