A Bridge Zhou Far - Three Stars Rising [Concluded]

[Pinman]

Eventually you will have to take out Sigurd. We can't kill him for you :)

[Jolt]

Renata also meant making investigations on me. I am still waiting for somebody to come up with those results.

Vote: Jolt

[Captain Blackadder]

I agree Sigurd needs to be looked at closer in order to determine what should be done with him.

Vote Jolt

The case on him is far better then the cases on either Jooray or Sigurd.

[Jolt]

I agree Sigurd needs to be looked at closer in order to determine what should be done with him.

Vote Jolt

The case on him is far better then the cases on either Jooray or Sigurd.

What is my case?

[Captain Blackadder]

What is my case?

To be honest not much. I am not happy with any of the choices on offer for today. The people I believe to be KMT or Japanese are on the other side of the river. However as Our glorious leader said we loyal communists must choose someone to die for today and I belive that Sigurd is a poor choice indeed of all the choices given to us I believe Jolt to be the best. Also to Renata why do you believe Comrade Miotas is possibly a traitor?

[Jolt]

To be honest not much. I am not happy with any of the choices on offer for today. The people I believe to be KMT or Japanese are on the other side of the river. However as Our glorious leader said we loyal communists must choose someone to die for today and I belive that Sigurd is a poor choice indeed of all the choices given to us I believe Jolt to be the best. Also to Renata why do you believe Comrade Miotas is possibly a traitor?

Hm. Interesting. Again: What is my case?

[Renata]

Okay, even though people are voting him anyway, I'm looking at miotas' posts. So far what I see is a pattern of someone who has a very difficult time making real accusations.

Day One, Beefy reveals role, Azathoth gets lynched. Contradiction in my notes here that I don't care to go back and clarify: he voted YLC in a sort of role-playing vote (against the chairman) and may have unvoted at some point (shows up as having no vote at end of day)
Day Two, Beefy gets mega-lynched. Comment-free vote for Beefy mid-bandwagon.
Day Three, shlin bits it in a close vote: miotas first casts suspicion on wide-eyed wanderer for a silly reason -- it says "wide-eyed" in the write-up -- then votes him a few posts later. YLC calls him on it and so does Double A slightly. Tentative YLC and miotas not on same mafia team.
Day Four, niklas gets bandwagoned on Psychonaut's word -- no vote
Day Five, Pinman bandwagoned, "reveals" -- no vote

I'm too tired to continue this with the votes on him already, but you can see the pattern -- and today he wants other people to tell him who's suspicious. It's not participation in general that he's having difficulty with -- he posts every day -- it's not contribution per se either -- he elected GH; he voted in the incident vote that came during that period and even went on to make his own, different proposal; he made a post suggesting JHT might be the hairy killer (but without voting him for it, on the day that Niklas was lynched). It's actually voting for suspicious people that he has trouble with. The two times he suggests halfway real suspicion against someone (WEW and JHT), his vote is either delayed or does not come at all. His other votes are either role-playing (YLC), comment-free (Beefy round two), or non-existent. It's classic vote-paralysis.

[Subotan]

Deadline reached, commencing write-up.

[Subotan]

PEXDET was approaching the Wenti Bridge, albeit slowly. Bizzarely, the day had been twice as long as normal, and although some of the Communists tried to attribute this to not lynching a player before the set time, the Chairman dismissed this as fanciful nonsense. Although at first it appeared certain that Jolt would be lynched, with he himself voting for his own lynch, but the validity of the lynch was questioned. No-one could actually explain why Jolt was to be lynched, so, for lack of a better candidate, they turned on miotas. miotas expressed puzzlement at the decision to lynch him, sealed by Joooray, but he did not protest much.

"Do you have anything to say for yourself, or will you act like the others?" shouted the Chairman in miotas' face.

"No, I have nothing to say. Just kill me and be down with it" muttered miotas gloomily

GeneralHankerchief shrugged, and signalled for Yaseikhaan to pick miotas up by the scruff of his neck, and he duly did so. With a short toss of his wrist, he dropped miotas over the edge, into the foaming water a hundred feet below.


"Good, I like it when there's no weird behaviour." the Chairman said cheerily "The weird ones always freak me out... . But speaking about previous members of our detachment, I would like to inform you all that Secura was in fact a loyal Communist. OK sure, she was susceptible to the Imperial Japanese Army, buuuut, she never defected to their side whilst alive. So yeah... "

North Side Alive: ?

South Side Alive: 12/40

ACIN
Captain Blackadder
Cute Wolf
Death is yonder
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
Joooray
Renata
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd
Yaseikhaan

Lynched players 7/40

Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
TheFlax
YLC
miotas

Killed Players 9/40

Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
CDF
aThis

Devoured by Rats - 2

Thermal Mercury
Wishazu

Deadline is in 22 hours, at 22:00 GMT +1.

[Renata]

Does anyone have any leads on anyone who may possibly be an enemy?

Besides you? You're the only person left on this side of the river who's made me raise my eyebrows. Which is not saying too much (see below), but there you go. Why do you expect other people to tell you who's suspicious?

vote: miotas

Jolt was investigated last night, and Yaseikhaan's vote notwithstanding, the votes on him need to go, because I can't imagine ACIN letting the first "half" of this day go by without saying anything if the result were anything bad.

As for everyone else:
Sigurd -- Doubt he's KMT, even a recruit. Doubt it very, very much; Pinman's a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them, and to act the way he has toward a fellow reactionary would be stupid. Sigurd could be Japanese, along similar lines as I thought Niklas might be, but he could also be completely loyal, as Niklas was. I need to review what he's been doing when he hasn't been fending off accusations.

Joooray -- YLC visiting Joooray looks good for YLC being non-town under the circumstances, but says nothing about Joooray unless I misremember the recruitment timing. On his own merits, I have absolutely no feel for Joooray.

Others:
Captain Blackadder -- seems to have dropped off the face of the planet.
Death is Yonder -- KMT failed to recruit him. Otherwise I have no idea. Bit of a blank spot for me, I think, since he has been around.
Double A -- I think he's a townie.

[Jolt]

Jolt was investigated last night, and Yaseikhaan's vote notwithstanding, the votes on him need to go, because I can't imagine ACIN letting the first "half" of this day go by without saying anything if the result were anything bad.

Ah, there we go.

FOS: Sigurd, Yaseikhaan, Capt. Blackadder

Unvote; Vote: Miotas

[Sigurd]

Ah, there we go.

FOS: Sigurd, Yaseikhaan, Capt. Blackadder

Unvote; Vote: Miotas

Why do you FOS me? I was not privvy to those investigation results ... Yaseikhaan? Yes. I hope the officers are talking to eachother.
Soo... the investigation results was interpretable? not clear? Innocent?
You gotta help us out here.

unvote

[Renata]

CB every time I've done a post review so far (the one I did on Psychonaut, the one on the JHT situation), at least one post by miotas has stood out as suspect in some way. There has not been any obvious motivation to the suspect posts, and I've been searching based on motivation, but still. His name keeps turning up.

Where have you been the last few days? I can't even remember the last time I noticed anything by you, yet I mention your name in passing and here you are. If you've been around and I just haven't registered it, point it out.

Why do you FOS me? I was not privvy to those investigation results ... Yaseikhaan? Yes. I hope the officers are talking to eachother.
Soo... the investigation results was interpretable? not clear? Innocent?
You gotta help us out here.

The FOS on you and CB might be unwarranted (can't speak to what's up with Yaseikhaan), but honestly the result can be nothing other than "innocent" or Jolt would have attracted some comment today from ACIN or GH. Why do you think anything else is a reasonable possibility?

[Joooray]

Well, obviously I don't agree with the suggested lynch of myself. I dunno what YLC did in my tent, all I can say is that I've been loyal to the revolution so far and still am. Frankly I'm a bit freaked out that there are people entering my tent when I'm asleep, freakin' sickos.

I also don't feel the lynch against Sigurd, so since I have to choose I'll go with Renata's case on this one and Vote: miotas.

[Death is yonder]

By lack of any significant updates on Cute wolf, who GH said "will be checked out" (AKA warning klaxons),

Also trusting that the officers and Chairman have been checked out by independent investigation and cleared,

Following further recommendations that Joooray and Sigurd are not the best choices for the day,

Also keeping in mind that Jolt has been supposedly investigated as a loyal communist

That leaves my possible reactionaries list with:

Captain Blackadder
Double A
miotas

First, from bottom up.

miotas, I've been working with him for quite a while. Has it been thus far clarified whether reactionary actions can occur in conjunction with communist actions? If not, this presents some interesting information. On night 6 (I believe), CDf was attacked by a Japanese officer, an attack repulsed by a group consisting of miotas, me and ArpeggiateTHIS.

From the kill pattern and consistency of protection, I believe that miotas is possibly cleared of being a Jap, though not of being a KMT recruit/colonel/whatever

Yet, oddly enough, when the Hairy man killed CDf AND ArpeggiateTHIS, he managed to kill both our protection target AND one of the clique members despite no information revealed in public as to who the clique was protecting.

Still, none of this information is really concrete, the current case on miotas is largely based on his posting.

Double A:

Jokey jokey non contributory posts in general. Not sure if I missed something, but a few rounds ago the case on Flax was that he was caught visiting two tents in the same night. One of these tents was Double A. Was the purpose of this visit clarified? Or is it an unsolved mystery which motive we will examine come the post-mortem reveal.

I'll refer to the round which was roughly on the 29th, and this post

Blackadder:

Generally quiet, his usual posting style it seems, doesn't seem much out of the ordinary. If he's an imperialist or a KMT fool, he's doing a pretty good job of masking that in his posting.

In light of all this, I will:

Vote: Double A

Although if it is clarified that imperialist/whatever actions can occur in conjunction with communist ones, then miotas needs to be looked at.

Now if you'll 'scuse me, I won't be online for the next 21-22 hours (incredibly long 12 hour school day tomorrow)

[Renata]

By lack of any significant updates on Cute wolf, who GH said "will be checked out" (AKA warning klaxons),

Also trusting that the officers and Chairman have been checked out by independent investigation and cleared,

Following further recommendations that Joooray and Sigurd are not the best choices for the day,

Also keeping in mind that Jolt has been supposedly investigated as a loyal communist

That leaves my possible reactionaries list with:

Captain Blackadder
Double A
miotas

First, from bottom up.

miotas, I've been working with him for quite a while. Has it been thus far clarified whether reactionary actions can occur in conjunction with communist actions? If not, this presents some interesting information. On night 6 (I believe), CDf was attacked by a Japanese officer, an attack repulsed by a group consisting of miotas, me and ArpeggiateTHIS.

According to Flax, whose allegiance has not yet been revealed, his being in a clique gave him access to two actions per night. miotas was not yet in a clique at that point, IIRC, so even assuming that Flax is KMT/Japanese and that it's true about the cliques, miotas could not have both attacked and protected that night. I'm not sure it's the right question, though, regardless. We don't know whether the Japanese officer we've seen can attack someone who a teammate is protecting; and we don't know whether they'd try such a thing either.

From the kill pattern and consistency of protection, I believe that miotas is possibly cleared of being a Jap, though not of being a KMT recruit/colonel/whatever

Yet, oddly enough, when the Hairy man killed CDf AND ArpeggiateTHIS, he managed to kill both our protection target AND one of the clique members despite no information revealed in public as to who the clique was protecting.

I'm not sure it matters. it was obvious enough that CDF was trusted; that's enough in itself to make him a target. It just piles assumption on top of assumption to try to figure out whether you or miotas might have decided it was worth breaking up the clique to make it look like you weren't the Hairy Man; it suffices to know that it is possible either of you could have attacked CDF.

Still, none of this information is really concrete, the current case on miotas is largely based on his posting.

Double A:

Jokey jokey non contributory posts in general. Not sure if I missed something, but a few rounds ago the case on Flax was that he was caught visiting two tents in the same night. One of these tents was Double A. Was the purpose of this visit clarified? Or is it an unsolved mystery which motive we will examine come the post-mortem reveal.

Yes; Romanic, Flax and I protected Double A. The other "visitee" was me. As I've said before, I think Double A is a townie, though it's admittedly a very subjective opinion. (Based on a few posts surrounding the attack on taka, which didn't read as him having anything to cover for.)

I'd like to hear your further opinions on Joooray and Sigurd when you get back, considering the only person who has "recommended" they not be voted for today is me -- GH said exactly the opposite -- and that that's not what I said, in any case. I dismiss the current cases on them, but there's nothing saying they're loyal communists that I'm aware of. Well, Pinman aside. They absolutely should be considered.

[miotas]

To be honest I'm not that good at picking patterns and tells in posts. I'm still not sure who to vote for

[Sigurd]

Eventually you will have to take out Sigurd. We can't kill him for you :)

I missed this...

Now why can't the KMT kill me? Am I invincible?
Have you even tried killing anyone? As far as I can see, there is no KMT mentioned in any of the killings. Why?
You are able to recruit... sure. But a mafia that can't kill is useless.
What would a reason be that you are 'tied' up like that?
Critical members tied up in other roles? Do you have KMT among the officers and lack the sufficient numbers to perform a kill? Is that it?
I am dying to know...

[Renata]

I missed this...

Now why can't the KMT kill me? Am I invincible?
Have you even tried killing anyone? As far as I can see, there is no KMT mentioned in any of the killings. Why?
You are able to recruit... sure. But a mafia that can't kill is useless.
What would a reason be that you are 'tied' up like that?
Critical members tied up in other roles? Do you have KMT among the officers and lack the sufficient numbers to perform a kill? Is that it?
I am dying to know...

I was wondering that myself, but now I'm leaning toward Romanic being accurate (or telling the truth, take your pick) and the KMT being in fact recruit-only. Pinman was pushing for a revolt -- would he really do that if he'd be risking his teammates' positions by doing so? Well actually never mind, maybe he would, if it was in fact cramping their style.

To what extent are the officers checked out now, GH? Any left uncertain?

[Pinman]

Im dying to know who else is on the Jap team. I only know one more of your members.

I guess we will both have to wait.

[Death is yonder]

I'd like to hear your further opinions on Joooray and Sigurd when you get back, considering the only person who has "recommended" they not be voted for today is me -- GH said exactly the opposite --

I will agree with Sigurd, for the time being. Vote: Jolt. I'm not personally all that thrilled with a Joooray or Sigurd lynch.

Apologies on the error, it was khaan who did not agree with the lynch. Still one of GH's "trusted officers" though.

Joooray:

In general sounds similar to his performance in Star Fox Lylat Wars (comparison because I don't know his style in great detail) where he was a friendly/neutral (but still relatively light sided) character.

Yet, he's coming off as (perhaps?) needlessly apologetic in posts like:

this and this. Both of which very recent.

Still, the posts I'm referring to other than that slight issue seem fine. Joooray is currently a "maybe/unlikely" for me. As you've mentioned, there's nothing substantial that warrants a lynch on his part, yet nothing that actively disproves his possible involvement in Imperialist plots.

Sigurd:

Seems rather engaged in this game at a quick glance at his latest posting history, roughly 30 of his last 40 posts are related to this game.

His recent relevant posts are hinging somewhat on the odd side though, its like: "So, you're accusing me of this and that/Why would this possibly incriminate me?"

Reference:

Post #909-911

Post #913 + 917

Post #951

The ones I would highlight for oddity especially, are Posts 913 and 917, overtly presumptuous and statements which conclusions are "Therefore I am a loyal communist", "Clearly I am the scapegoat", etc.

Edit: Currently Sigurd is "Maybe/Likely" for me, but I guess that someone will oblige his request stated earlier to be investigated and cleared within this night phase.

~~~~~~

Another long day ahead for me, if you would like to inquire further just leave a query in thread.

[Renata]

I won't comment on the investigations, but there's nothing that can't wait until morning.

[Sigurd]

Ok... let's look at this from another angle.
Pinman, a dead player AND confirmed KMT, suddenly drops in and accuses someone of being Japanese. If it is true, he is clearly breaking several rules.

The dead may post, but not vote/select nor carry out any night actions. Dead players may not reveal their roles publicly or privately and may not reveal their faction or role particulars either. Dead players may not quote from a PM unless that PM has been posted in the public thread by a living player. Dead players may not reveal, recount or allude to their previous night actions (or results thereof in the case of investigations) publicly or privately – even to confirm a previously made public or private reveal. Your participation must be circumspect, but your continued participation IS encouraged.

If I really were a Japanese, I would have gone to our host and asked to be removed and put a random player in my place.
Since Subotan has not asked the posts to be removed or taken any actions against Pinman, We should assume that it is pure speculation or a frame attempt. We should ask... At least I will ask - WHY? and why now.
We have been forced to move towards the one place I didn't want to go. A KMT stronghold.

I hope the officers or anyone with the capability to do so, are taking time to investigate me this coming night. (the more the better, for comparison)
When I am cleared - I am going to demand answers. I want to know why we are going to attack that KMT stronghold. I want to know why no other cliques are formed - even after it was promised to us to be of priority.
Yet again, a member of the group I have been in is removed just before a clique is formed. There is too little transparency in the leadership. I am not going to just sit here being run over by KMT or Japanese traitors.

Wouldn't it be a priority for those groups to get a position among the officers?
This has been my suspicion since the start. And GH's choice of investigator was surprising if not controversial.
That Beskar was revealed as communist, put the spotlight on GH. Would it be unthinkable that he is the KMT colonel? The Japanese seems to be using an officer as the killer. Could it be that the KMT has tied up their officer killer? This would surely explain the lack of kills by KMT. And if GH is KMT, then he would have put one of his own as the investigator and thereby fabricated innocent results for the rest of the KMT. And that would explain the rather late addition of a deputy. When alibi has been established for all KMT scum, it is time to do some real investigation.

[Pinman]

I was informed by Subotan that I was within the rules.

-EDIT- That is to say that Subotan explained the rules to me after my death, and based on that explanation, my actions are within the rules.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ok... let's look at this from another angle.
Pinman, a dead player AND confirmed KMT, suddenly drops in and accuses someone of being Japanese. If it is true, he is clearly breaking several rules.
If I really were a Japanese, I would have gone to our host and asked to be removed and put a random player in my place.
Since Subotan has not asked the posts to be removed or taken any actions against Pinman, We should assume that it is pure speculation or a frame attempt. We should ask... At least I will ask - WHY? and why now.
We have been forced to move towards the one place I didn't want to go. A KMT stronghold.

I hope the officers or anyone with the capability to do so, are taking time to investigate me this coming night. (the more the better, for comparison)
When I am cleared - I am going to demand answers. I want to know why we are going to attack that KMT stronghold. I want to know why no other cliques are formed - even after it was promised to us to be of priority.
Yet again, a member of the group I have been in is removed just before a clique is formed. There is too little transparency in the leadership. I am not going to just sit here being run over by KMT or Japanese traitors.

Wouldn't it be a priority for those groups to get a position among the officers?
This has been my suspicion since the start. And GH's choice of investigator was surprising if not controversial.
That Beskar was revealed as communist, put the spotlight on GH. Would it be unthinkable that he is the KMT colonel? The Japanese seems to be using an officer as the killer. Could it be that the KMT has tied up their officer killer? This would surely explain the lack of kills by KMT. And if GH is KMT, then he would have put one of his own as the investigator and thereby fabricated innocent results for the rest of the KMT. And that would explain the rather late addition of a deputy. When alibi has been established for all KMT scum, it is time to do some real investigation.

I can answer some of this now, since you *are* being fully investigated tonight and we'll be able to see what you are in a couple of hours.

First of all, I'm sorry about the lack of cliques being formed. But my priority is the protection of important targets. Unfortunately, the split-up of the group has given me less flexibility in this regard. miotas was one of ACIN's protectors last night. He got lynched, I needed a third on ACIN. So I called up Jolt, a confirmed 100% unconvertable innocent, to the A-Team to protect the highest-priority target. I'm sorry if this removed the chances of another clique being formed, but frankly, I'd rather have my most powerful investigator alive than preserving the integrity of a clique. Every single solitary soul on the south bank is doing something at night, and at this point there are no substitutes.