What are the main things you want to see fixed from EB1 in EB2???

[vartan]

Yes, Watchman had a fix for Pontikoi Thorakitai (though, with that they were still inferior to anything which was heavier than a Thuerophoroi), and maybe I'm wrong, but I thought they were intended to be a near-elite/elite unit, which means the 13 morale is low. I'm glad the Chalkaspides is getting an overhaul in EB2.

Edit: And the cost between a Thureophoroi and a fixed Pontikoi Thorakitai is over 500 mnai.

They used to be known as Pontic Elite Inf (who knows?) but now Heavy Inf. So 13 is pretty great morale stat. Any more and you'd be all day long. For the tournament you play in (and you play as Pontos), the Pontikoi Thorakitai have 0.13 lethality swords as opposed to the former 0.1. And they have some other changes to their javelin attack and range.

[Apázlinemjó]

They used to be known as Pontic Elite Inf (who knows?) but now Heavy Inf. So 13 is pretty great morale stat. Any more and you'd be all day long. For the tournament you play in (and you play as Pontos), the Pontikoi Thorakitai have 0.13 lethality swords as opposed to the former 0.1. And they have some other changes to their javelin attack and range.

What we should know here is their role. Are they a near-elite/elite unit or just a "regular" one? And the fixed stats made them a bit better, but as I commented in the previous post, they are still useless. Paying almost 2k mnai for a unit which can barely handle regular light infantry (without AP) and light spearmen is just a waste of mnai, in my opinion.

Edit: So we need an EB team member who can help and enlighten us in the matter. *Tries to summon one of them with conjuration magic.*

Edit2: Ahh, edited the first sentence, I missunderstood your sentences. :D

[Ludens]

What we should know here is their role. Are they a near-elite/elite unit or just a "regular" one?

Why would they be elite? They don't look like elite units to me, and AFAIK they were intended to replace the old-fashioned phalangite armies, suggesting they made up the rank-and-file.

[antisocialmunky]

I would take a look at how stamina is balanced in EB2. I think the bias against professional and city-based infantry that aren't Rome with regards to stamina should be re-examined from EB1 now that the guard mode bugs are largely gone. It makes it impossible to effectively assault positions since most enemy infantry will always have a slight but noticeable advantage in the stamina department until both units are exhausted. I mean, its not that bad but it seems equivalent to 3 or 4 points spread between attack/defense.

I think for EB1 length battles, the ideal stamina would be 'hardy' for all regular fighting units and then 'very hardy' if the unit deserves extra stamina. No stamina bonus should be exclusively given to city-levies and such(farmers are buff). That means hardy Neito and Hoplites so they don't completely dud against cheaper units that can keep a stamina bonus in a 10 minute battle.

[Cambyses]

Except that in M2TW, using guard mode means that you get pushed backwards quite fast when fighting heavy infantry - and very fast when fighting cavalry. This breaks your formation with often terminal consequences. So, I dont think guard mode will cause the same issues in EB2 as it (maybe) does in EB1. I think the key thing with stamina is to slow the battles down, and lessen the impact of cavalry charges, then it wont be necessary to run everywhere. Hopefully the AI can be taught this simple fact as well.

[vartan]

What we should know here is their role. Are they a near-elite/elite unit or just a "regular" one? And the fixed stats made them a bit better, but as I commented in the previous post, they are still useless. Paying almost 2k mnai for a unit which can barely handle regular light infantry (without AP) and light spearmen is just a waste of mnai, in my opinion.

Edit: So we need an EB team member who can help and enlighten us in the matter. *Tries to summon one of them with conjuration magic.*

Edit2: Ahh, edited the first sentence, I missunderstood your sentences. :D

Those units are far from elite. Just because there were few of them on the field doesn't make them elite.

[Apázlinemjó]

Why would they be elite? They don't look like elite units to me, and AFAIK they were intended to replace the old-fashioned phalangite armies, suggesting they made up the rank-and-file.

Those units are far from elite. Just because there were few of them on the field doesn't make them elite.

I thought their original name was something like "Pontic Elite Infantry", though I'm not sure. Anyway their description says they are not elite, but a good heavy infantry. Okay, nevermind with the morale question about them, then the 13 is correct. I hope their "combat" stats get an overhaul in EB2.

[vartan]

I thought their original name was something like "Pontic Elite Infantry", though I'm not sure. Anyway their description says they are not elite, but a good heavy infantry. Okay, nevermind with the morale question about them, then the 13 is correct. I hope their "combat" stats get an overhaul in EB2.

Correct? You're joking right? I'm sure you didn't mean to offend, that you meant to say that 13 is "reasonable", not "correct". What is correct? incorrect? Oh my good friend. And you have a good memory. They were formerly named Elite Infantry of the Pontiks.

[Moros]

they are not elite, they are armoured.

[Torres84]

I'd love to see kind of tech advance, since there are no historical characters ingame like Julius Caesar or Augustus... why would we have to stick with the historical parameters? I mean, maybe you could make some scripting that decides whether or not Roman receives lorica segmentata or whether or not (like a switch that activates certain units, certain new buildings, ships etc)

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