Tea Party funds Obama as Hitler/Lennon message, walks it back

[Askthepizzaguy]

People need to appreciate this more. Just because it has "socialism" in the name doesn't mean it is left-wing. Is state capitalism right wing just because it has "capitalism" in the name?

Hence why I facepalm at the BNP being put to the left of Labour on the political compass. Ramming all the policies into one left-right scale doesn't do justice to how many dimensions there are to all the different ideologies.

Stuff you and I actually agree on, Rhyfelwyr.

I have been screaming this at the top of my lungs for ages. Some of the first posts I ever put in the backroom involved shunning participation in that political compass thing. It is a mechanism of oversimplification and division.

It is silly this political compass thingy fullstop bloody thing should be banned for polluting the minds of otherwise sensible people

THANK YOU.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Stuff you and I actually agree on, Rhyfelwyr.

We're both fairly moderate fellows when it comes to politics, I'm sure we agree on plenty of stuff.

Why is everyone so shocked when they agree with me on something? Am I really that controversial a poster?

[Subotan]

First of all, as has been mentioned, the OP seems to be unaware that the Tea Party is not, in fact, a singular, organized entity.

But they are politically all on the same wavelength.

Second, enduring eight years of Bush=Hitler hysterics from the Left, including some of the most inane, bat-shit crazy conspiracy theories I've ever heard, puts this obscure little incident into some perspective.

That doesn't make that right though, and you know that.

[seireikhaan]

First of all, as has been mentioned, the OP seems to be unaware that the Tea Party is not, in fact, a singular, organized entity.

Second, enduring eight years of Bush=Hitler hysterics from the Left, including some of the most inane, bat-shit crazy conspiracy theories I've ever heard, puts this obscure little incident into some perspective.

1) I'm quite aware they are not a centralized authority. However, I did figure there was some sort of oversight of various chapters. Or at least some kind of "hey, chapters, ya think these guys are legit?" sort of meeting. Otherwise, ya see, things like this happen.

2) Again, quite aware of the bush = hitler comparisons. What I'm not aware of are actual paid advertisements being taken out by a political group, be it legitimate or clamoring for legitimacy, saying so. Imo, there's a difference. Its the difference between "Oh, well, there's the occasional nutter in the tea party" and "The tea spent its own $$ on a very public message on a nutter idea".

[Sasaki Kojiro]

2) Again, quite aware of the bush = hitler comparisons. What I'm not aware of are actual paid advertisements being taken out by a political group, be it legitimate or clamoring for legitimacy, saying so. Imo, there's a difference. Its the difference between "Oh, well, there's the occasional nutter in the tea party" and "The tea spent its own $$ on a very public message on a nutter idea".

Besides khaan, people donate money to groups that are running these ridiculous adds all the time.

[Gregoshi]

Somewhere along the line America has apparently developed a severe case of Hitler-envy. We've elected three Hitlers in a row - no, make that four if you give half a Hitler each to Hillary and Cheney.

Our politics is run by a bunch of teenaged drama queens.

[a completely inoffensive name]

The Tea Party isn't an actual nor unified political party. It's a movement of disaffected people who are disgusted with the Republicans & Democrats. They have their fringe groups much like the mainstream political parties and apparently at least one hails from Iowa.

I disagree. I would say that if all these groups are campaigning under the same "Tea Party" logo, then it is a "unified" political party. In this case it is much, much more decentralized then modern day political parties like the Democrats and Republicans, but they are unified nonetheless. I would even say they are more unified and powerful then the "Bush=Hitler" idiots from the Bush years. There are actual "Tea Party" candidates running against Republicans in the Republican primaries, I don't see what qualifications they are missing to be a political party.

[Husar]

all three men have offered "change" and two have not delivered,

Uhm, Obama hasn't delivered that much change but the other two delivered a lot of change, Lenin turned Russia into a Socialist superpower of sorts that changed not only Russia in the end but also the rest of the world, people are still afraid of it today, even though it doesn't exist anymore. Hitler turned Germany and many other countries into a pile of dirt and huge warzones, if that isn't some kind of change then I don't know, he didn't exactly continue the Weimar Republic's politics, did he?
And that's just one reason why the billboard doesn't really fit.

[Lemur]

Our politics is run by a bunch of teenaged drama queens.

I don't know that this is a new thing. Going all the way back to Jefferson v. Adams in 1800, we've always had a bit of soap opera silliness to our politics. There's a reason Washington bemoaned the rise of parties and then retired from the whole show, even though he could easily have been president for life.

[Reenk Roink]

Let's not pretend that the tea party is anything other than essentially a bunch of angry white republicans who dominate the other guys in the tea party. They just happen to call themselves independent and grass root.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34913.html

Republican

While tea party activists have described themselves as political free agents disgusted with both parties, a new poll by Quinnipiac University shows that a majority have a close connection to the GOP.

Almost three quarters of those who identified themselves as part of the tea party movement – 74 percent – also identified themselves as Republicans or independents who lean Republican, according to the poll. Only 16 percent of tea partiers said they are Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents.

White

In addition to being largely Republican, the poll found tea partiers are mainly white (88 percent), voted for 2008 GOP presidential candidate John McCain (77 percent) and adore his running mate, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who is eying a run for the 2012 GOP nomination and has made a concerted play for tea party affection.

Angry

And though 70 percent of all respondents indicated they were “somewhat dissatisfied” or “very dissatisfied” with the way things are going in America today, a whopping 92 percent of tea partiers said they’re dissatisfied.

[PanzerJaeger]

Let's not pretend that the tea party is anything other than essentially a bunch of angry white republicans who dominate the other guys in the tea party. They just happen to call themselves independent and grass root.

Who is pretending that they aren't?

Also, I'm intrigued as to what race has to do with anything. Considering 91% of blacks and 57% of hispanics still support President Obama and his policies, and both groups provide much of the block vote for the Democratic party regardless of who is running, is it any wonder that 88% of the anti-Obama, anti-democratic governing policies Tea Party is 88% white?

[HoreTore]

Who is pretending that they aren't?

Also, I'm intrigued as to what race has to do with anything. Considering 91% of blacks and 57% of hispanics still support President Obama and his policies, and both groups provide much of the block vote for the Democratic party regardless of who is running, is it any wonder that 88% of the anti-Obama, anti-democratic governing policies Tea Party is 88% white?

88% is an interesting number..............................................

[Beskar]

88% is an interesting number..............................................

For those who don't understand, Right-wing groups have the number 88 on logos, t-shirts and tatoos. If you put the numbers to the alphabet, it produces HH, which is neo-nazi code for "Heil Hitler".

18 is another number (AH), which many far right groups like "Combat 18" (UK Neo-Nazi Terrorist group) use often.

[rory_20_uk]

It's also a lucky number in China. Coincidence...?

Yes.

[a completely inoffensive name]

88 is 11 less problems then what Jay-Z had. 11 is 9 away from 20, 20 is the number of times Hitler went to the bath room in his underground bunker before he killed himself. 9 and 11 makes 9/11 which is what the left wing radicals claim makes Bush a modern day Hitler. Don't you see! Hitler, Bush, 9/11, numbers and Jay-Z. It's all connected!

AM I AND GLENN BECK THE ONLY ONES SEEING THIS!?!?!

[Reenk Roink]

Who is pretending that they aren't?

Also, I'm intrigued as to what race has to do with anything. Considering 91% of blacks and 57% of hispanics still support President Obama and his policies, and both groups provide much of the block vote for the Democratic party regardless of who is running, is it any wonder that 88% of the anti-Obama, anti-democratic governing policies Tea Party is 88% white?

Some of them themselves pretend they aren't, this movement is basically not independent nor does it really appeal beyond a narrow demographic.

And yeah, it's well known that blacks are overwhelmingly in support of Obama and the democratic party in general (and who can blame them for the latter), but I don't really see them making a big deal about being independent or non partisan unlike the Tea Party, nor do they claim to speak for a larger demographic.

[CountArach]

88 is 11 less problems then what Jay-Z had. 11 is 9 away from 20, 20 is the number of times Hitler went to the bath room in his underground bunker before he killed himself. 9 and 11 makes 9/11 which is what the left wing radicals claim makes Bush a modern day Hitler. Don't you see! Hitler, Bush, 9/11, numbers and Jay-Z. It's all connected!

AM I AND GLENN BECK THE ONLY ONES SEEING THIS!?!?!

I literally lol'd. Well played sir.

[KukriKhan]

Somewhere along the line America has apparently developed a severe case of Hitler-envy. We've elected three Hitlers in a row - no, make that four if you give half a Hitler each to Hillary and Cheney.

Our politics is run by a bunch of teenaged drama queens.

It has been ever thus:




One wonders what we did before dubya-dubya-too.

-edit-
LBJ via Rolling Stone, Nixon from The New Yorker Magazine, Carter from ??.

[Gregoshi]

Looks like I should have been (even more) disgusted with politics much sooner than I've been.

[HoreTore]

Some of them themselves pretend they aren't, this movement is basically not independent nor does it really appeal beyond a narrow demographic.

And yeah, it's well known that blacks are overwhelmingly in support of Obama and the democratic party in general (and who can blame them for the latter), but I don't really see them making a big deal about being independent or non partisan unlike the Tea Party, nor do they claim to speak for a larger demographic.

Another drawback of having just two parties: a vote for a party does not have to mean support for a party, it can also be about disgust for the other party.

Honestly. Republicans in the south have members of congress who are former members of the KKK, who thinks that Martin Luther King was a radical commie, etc etc... Is it really any wonder why african americans are reluctant to vote for that bunch...?

[Askthepizzaguy]

88 is 11 less problems then what Jay-Z had. 11 is 9 away from 20, 20 is the number of times Hitler went to the bath room in his underground bunker before he killed himself. 9 and 11 makes 9/11 which is what the left wing radicals claim makes Bush a modern day Hitler. Don't you see! Hitler, Bush, 9/11, numbers and Jay-Z. It's all connected!

AM I AND GLENN BECK THE ONLY ONES SEEING THIS!?!?!

Jay-Z and Glenn Beck.... hmmm.... Z is also the last letter of the alphabet..... and "omega" is the last letter of the greek alphabet.....

The alpha and the omega! It means Glenn Beck is Jesus Christ reincarnated! He's back, and this time he's pwning liberals by unraveling their secret plots!

[PanzerJaeger]

Honestly. Republicans in the south have members of congress who are former members of the KKK, who thinks that Martin Luther King was a radical commie, etc etc... Is it really any wonder why african americans are reluctant to vote for that bunch...?

Ummm... the only member of congress in recent memory that I know of that was a former KKK member, an Exhaulted Cyclops at that, was the now deceased Democratic Senator Robert Byrd; who has gifted us with such awesomely racist quotes as:

I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.

Can you name some of these former KKK Republican members of congress, please? Google is not being helpful.

[HoreTore]

Ummm... the only member of congress in recent memory that I know of that was a former KKK member, an Exhaulted Cyclops at that, was the now deceased Democratic Senator Robert Byrd; who has gifted us with such awesomely racist quotes as:

Can you name some of these former KKK Republican members of congress, please? Google is not being helpful.

Robert Byrd was indeed the lunatic I was referring to.

[drone]

Honestly. Republicans in the south have members of congress who are former members of the KKK, who thinks that Martin Luther King was a radical commie, etc etc... Is it really any wonder why african americans are reluctant to vote for that bunch...?

Lincoln was a Republican. The south was mainly Democrat until Nixon came in with the "Southern Strategy". The old-school klukkers and segregationists are Democrats, even Helms started out as a Democrat.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Robert Byrd was indeed the lunatic I was referring to.

You mean the lifelong Democratic party member Robert Byrd?

Of whom Clinton said:

"He once had a fleeting association with the Ku Klux Klan, what does that mean? I'll tell you what it means. He was a country boy from the hills and hollows from West Virginia. He was trying to get elected," former President Bill Clinton said of Sen. Robert Byrd.

Ah, Byrd. A man so convinced of his own importance and the necessity of him governing other people that he made nice with the racist, bigoted, and one of the original terrorist organizations, the KKK.

Or he was just a racist himself.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I wasn't convinced of much by the OP. The Tea Party doesn't seem to have much central authority, so I think it's likely some small chapter put this up. I think the horrible, cringe inducing attempt at satire by one of the Tea Party Express leaders is much worse, and more relevant.

CR

[Banquo's Ghost]

It has been ever thus:

Jimmy Carter as Hitler??!

Did Hitler sue?

[Gregoshi]

Jimmy Carter as Hitler??!

Did Hitler sue?

No, but his brother Billy Hitler did.

[Megas Methuselah]

Also, I'm intrigued as to what race has to do with anything. Considering 91% of blacks and 57% of hispanics still support President Obama and his policies, and both groups provide much of the block vote for the Democratic party regardless of who is running, is it any wonder that 88% of the anti-Obama, anti-democratic governing policies Tea Party is 88% white?

Ethnicity has everything to do with it. I can dream that it doesn't, but simply put, historical crimes have given many minority groups common ground which is not simply limited to a shared past, but to such things in the present day as, for one obvious example, shared social/economic status. It sucks being on the receiving end.

[Crazed Rabbit]

It's worth noting the best way to judge the tea party may be who they endorse. In several cases they've endorsed minority candidates over white candidates, like Nikki Haley for South Carolina governor.

They may be predominantly white, and some individual idiots may be racists, but as a whole they care about issues, not race.

I can dream that it doesn't, but simply put, historical crimes have given many minority groups common ground which is not simply limited to a shared past, but to such things in the present day as, for one obvious example, shared social/economic status.

So blacks whose families have lived in America for hundreds of years have the same past as recent Hispanic immigrants from Latin America? Yeah, let's just lump all minorities' experience together as being the same because they're not white.

CR

[HoreTore]

You mean the lifelong Democratic party member Robert Byrd?

Don't confuse me with someone with intimate knowledge of US congressmen.

Just threw an idea out there...