Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded]

[Romanic]

Also, #1) stop trying to #2) purposefully screw up the game and hand over the mafia a victory.

Nuh-uh.

#1) "Stop trying to screw up the game" implies that I did it at least once before. Please clarify how I've been doing it before. I've been lenient with you so far, and I'm surprised to hear this instead of an actual argumentation.

#2) "Purposefully" implies that I have a reason to screw up the game. I am Falco, confirmed innocent. What's my reason?

Bad choice of words really.

Don't blame me for speaking against you when it's all your fault. It would have been different if you acted pro-town and not so obviously pro-Wolf. For all I've seen you don't care about Star Fox or the Cornerians, and it speaks of hidden agenda like many others already pointed out.

If you are really pro-town, well, maybe you should have done some things differently, because a lot of us don't trust you anymore, including most of the Star Fox team.

I'd really like to see you lynched, just to see which color you will appear in the writeup. Gray for neutral, or Red for evil

Seriously. Even Double A proved I was a neutral so instead focus on the suspects.

That's barely a proof considering how useless scans have been so far in this game, we can see this from your own results: You've scanned a lot of players without a successful Androssian scan, and there's to your saying, five players who have not been scanned so far :

There are 5 people who are not investigated, Andross is one of those five and he needs to die ASAP or we all lose.

The three mafia would be left in the remaining five unscanned players?! Either you are lying to us, or the scans are not 100% effective.

[Nightbringer]

What did I blow? I didn't choose the kill choice. Again.



I am not a risk at all. Don't be a fool.



No, I am not.

I am able to investigate with getting their ship as a result. Also, it works with game balance a lot, since both Star Fox and Cornerians get a truck full of power-roles, revivers, etc, and we basically have one for us and the entire venomians.




Also, stop trying to purposefully screw up the game and hand over the mafia a victory. Seriously. Even Double A proved I was a neutral so instead focus on the suspects. There are 5 people who are not investigated, Andross is one of those five and he needs to die ASAP or we all lose. Peppy needs to follow me, so we can make best use of the opportunity to get Andross.

Makes sense, and honestly, does ANYONE have proof of General Pepper being int he game. Someone would have evidence of his doing anything.

[Nightbringer]

Nuh-uh.

#1) "Stop trying to screw up the game" implies that I did it at least once before. Please clarify how I've been doing it before. I've been lenient with you so far, and I'm surprised to hear this instead of an actual argumentation.

#2) "Purposefully" implies that I have a reason to screw up the game. I am Falco, confirmed innocent. What's my reason?

Bad choice of words really.

Don't blame me for speaking against you when it's all your fault. It would have been different if you acted pro-town and not so obviously pro-Wolf. For all I've seen you don't care about Star Fox or the Cornerians, and it speaks of hidden agenda like many others already pointed out.

If you are really pro-town, well, maybe you should have done some things differently, because a lot of us don't trust you anymore, including most of the Star Fox team.

I'd really like to see you lynched, just to see which color you will appear in the writeup. Gray for neutral, or Red for evil



That's barely a proof considering how useless scans have been so far in this game, we can see this from your own results: You've scanned a lot of players without a successful Androssian scan, and there's to your saying, five players who have not been scanned so far :



The three mafia would be left in the remaining five unscanned players?! Either you are lying to us, or the scans are not 100% effective.

Yes, he may not have used the best words, but targeting that isn't much better. As to him being pro-wolf... of course he is pro wolf, he is star wolf, but being pro wolf is the same as being anti andross, which is everyones objective. Star Fox is gone, maybe he let that happen, maybe not, but even if he did is a revenge kill worth letting Andross win? Maybe we should just worry about getting a neutral town victory, and a mafia loss. Even if everything you have been saying is true we still should not vote Beskar because we know he is not andross.

[Romanic]

Yes, he may not have used the best words, but targeting that isn't much better. As to him being pro-wolf... of course he is pro wolf, he is star wolf, but being pro wolf is the same as being anti andross, which is everyones objective. Star Fox is gone, maybe he let that happen, maybe not, but even if he did is a revenge kill worth letting Andross win? Maybe we should just worry about getting a neutral town victory, and a mafia loss. Even if everything you have been saying is true we still should not vote Beskar because we know he is not andross.

I'll blame that argument on inexperience, but being neutral is not testament of being on the side of the town. Neutral roles usually have different victory conditions than townies, otherwise they would be townies.

We know that the Venomians can win with the town (from the standard Venomian role PM), but we haven't read anything stating that Star Wolf can win with us, except Beskar's word.

If I were you, I'd be very cautious in assuming that Star Wolf can win with the Cornerians / Venomians.

[Romanic]

Yes, he may not have used the best words, but targeting that isn't much better. As to him being pro-wolf... of course he is pro wolf, he is star wolf, but being pro wolf is the same as being anti andross, which is everyones objective. Star Fox is gone, maybe he let that happen, maybe not, but even if he did is a revenge kill worth letting Andross win? Maybe we should just worry about getting a neutral town victory, and a mafia loss. Even if everything you have been saying is true we still should not vote Beskar because we know he is not andross.

WAIT A MINUTE! What do you mean by "a revenge kill" ?

Please do explain. Do you think I am trying to get a revenge on Beskar?

[Beskar]

I'll blame that argument on inexperience, but being neutral is not testament of being on the side of the town. Neutral roles usually have different victory conditions than townies, otherwise they would be townies.

Or we can put it that your statement is due to inexperience, as you are ignoring the game where as 'town' 'neutral' mean cornerian and venomian who are anti-Andross.

We know that the Venomians can win with the town (from the standard Venomian role PM), but we haven't read anything stating that Star Wolf can win with us, except Beskar's word.

Yet, that is all you need and the fact I am scanned as neutral and not mafia pretty much proves I am not on Andross's side that it is beyond reasonable doubt that I am against him.

If I were you, I'd be very cautious in assuming that Star Wolf can win with the Cornerians / Venomians.

Again, you are wrong. I can't be bothered to try to argue it, anyone who says I am mafia is wrong. There is no lean-way or argument.

We got 3 phases. Tonight, day phase then one night phase to get Andross or we all lose the game. I cannot be bothered with nonsense spewed from the mafia to attempt to make sure they win, which deluded individuals are lapping up. If I die, the game will be over tomorrow lynch, if it isn't Andross dead.

[Nightbringer]

WAIT A MINUTE! What do you mean by "a revenge kill" ?

Please do explain. Do you think I am trying to get a revenge on Beskar?

That seems to be the only reason to want him dead. Unless you think he didn't just let Star Fox die, but is actually on the mafia team. But we know he is neutral so that doesn't seem possible. And I had been under the impression that the Star Wolf neutral was exactly the same as the Venomian neutral. (cornarians having Star Fox as their leaders, venomians having star wolf as their leaders)

[Beskar]

That seems to be the only reason to want him dead. Unless you think he didn't just let Star Fox die, but is actually on the mafia team. But we know he is neutral so that doesn't seem possible. And I had been under the impression that the Star Wolf neutral was exactly the same as the Venomian neutral. (cornarians having Star Fox as their leaders, venomians having star wolf as their leaders)

That is correct. That is the set-up.

I have to admit Nightbringer, you was rather lurky and quiet earlier in the game, but I think you come out and shined since. You gone from quiet to possibly one of the best contributors in this game. You are getting credit where credit is true. Last round and so since, your contributions have been excellent.

[johnhughthom]

That is correct. That is the set-up.

I have to admit Nightbringer, you was rather lurky and quiet earlier in the game, but I think you come out and shined since. You gone from quiet to possibly one of the best contributors in this game. You are getting credit where credit is true. Last round and so since, your contributions have been excellent.

Here you go Nightbringer, have a pat on the head. Good boy.

[Renata]

We got 3 phases. Tonight, day phase then one night phase to get Andross or we all lose the game.

EXPLAIN. There are 13 players left and according to you, only two other mafia. "We all lose" in three phases is NOT in evidence from that -- it should be four or five dead, 8 or 9 left, 2 mafia. That's not a win under the usual rules and expectations. You know something we don't. Spill it.

I want to believe you're town, Beskar. I really do. But start acting like it and answer a straight question for once.

[Romanic]

That seems to be the only reason to want him dead. Unless you think he didn't just let Star Fox die, but is actually on the mafia team. But we know he is neutral so that doesn't seem possible.

Nice attempt to cover up your mistake, but it falls short. I could have a lot of reasons to lynch Beskar, and one of them that was mentioned many times is belief that Star Wolf he has a different agenda. Your revenge kill idea is very imaginative considering everything that was said in the game thread, and I cannot believe that you honestly think "it is the only reason I want him dead".

Star Fox is gone, maybe he let that happen, maybe not, but even if he did is a revenge kill worth letting Andross win?

Revenge kill, implying someone killed someone else, and I would like to avenge that kill.

You slipped Nightbringer!

You talked in the game thread about knowledge that you should not have! You know that Star Fox was killed by someone on the Star Wolf team! Hence the "revenge kill" remark, as if I wanted to get Beskar lynched because he killed Star Fox.

That's interesting knowledge from someone who claimed Venomian (see Post 1354) :

I don't know what I've done that is so scummy. I'm just a noob and a simple venomian fighter. ive just felt like we are all flailing around in the dark, thats why i have been waffling with my vote a lot.

But hey, it gets better when Beskar confirms it (see Post 1472)

Also, Nightbringer was telling the truth, he is a Venomian.

Possibility #1: Nightbringer is a Star Wolf member, and Beskar is covering for him. If that's true, Beskar has been lying to us, maybe to protect his teammate. That would be another pro-Wolf move from Beskar, very much unhelpful to the town trying to figure who Andross is and being fed false information.

Possibility #2: You are Androssian, protected from scanning, and Beskar really scanned you as Venomian, but you are in fact one of the beasts we're looking for. Somehow you know that Star Wolf killed Fox and you let that slip in your previous posts.

Either way, congratulations, you've just become my most wanted lynch target, a hair ahead of Beskar!

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Now, it's been in my head for a long time that the ??? killer was on Team Star Wolf, and this slip from Nightbringer is a proof that confirms it. Did Star Wolf kill choxorn on purpose? Maybe, maybe not... We've all seen how vigilantes can go awfully wrong.

But one fact remains, the Star Wolf team killed Star Fox. Now it's your turn to talk, Beskar.

[Romanic]

EXPLAIN. There are 13 players left and according to you, only two other mafia. "We all lose" in three phases is NOT in evidence from that -- it should be four or five dead, 8 or 9 left, 2 mafia. That's not a win under the usual rules and expectations. You know something we don't. Spill it.

I want to believe you're town, Beskar. I really do. But start acting like it and answer a straight question for once.

Don't lynch me or you will lose.

It's a logical fallacy, banking on fear so that people will do as you say. It's an invalid argument unless the person can backup his claim properly. And as you pointed out Renata, there's no reason why lynching Beskar would make us lose the game immediately.

[naut]

Lol. So many lies. I bet Beskar is not true to his word and the remaining Cornerians die tonight.

[Beskar]

EXPLAIN. There are 13 players left and according to you, only two other mafia. "We all lose" in three phases is NOT in evidence from that -- it should be four or five dead, 8 or 9 left, 2 mafia. That's not a win under the usual rules and expectations. You know something we don't. Spill it.

I want to believe you're town, Beskar. I really do. But start acting like it and answer a straight question for once.

Do the maths. There will be 4 deaths tonight, 1 tomorrow for lynch, possibly 2-4 the night after. (Numbers based on Mafia not dying, and myself and Peppy's status).

This means a loss of 7-9 non-mafia, and there are 3 mafia. (Andross, Gorgon, Shogun Droid) Mafia wins.

Lol. So many lies. I bet Beskar is not true to his word and the remaining Cornerians die tonight.

If that is true, you would already be dead.

"Don't lynch me or you will lose."

Which is a fact, suck it up. I don't have time for the same nonsense from Sigurd's game, where I was a powerful pro-town role but because I had the name "Dooku". We have a lynch phase left, and knowing my luck, Peppy will do something stupid and not follow what I said, and end up costing us the game.

[Romanic]

The most kills we've ever seen in a single night is 2. What's up with 4 kills per night Beskar?

[Beskar]

The most kills we've ever seen in a single night is 2. What's up with 4 kills per night Beskar?

That is wrong, there were 3 kill attempts last night and that didn't include ???.

Andross killed (well, tried too)
Gorgon and Shogun Driod killed landlubber.
Peppy tried to kill Pigma.

Since "???" so apparently a member of Star Wolf and didn't attack last night...

4 kills.

Quite interesting that I am paying most attention to this game, you can tell who wants to get rid of the mafia (Andross) and win. (It's me)

[Romanic]

That is wrong, there were 3 kill attempts last night and that didn't include ???.

Andross killed (well, tried too)
Gorgon and Shogun Driod killed landlubber.
Peppy tried to kill Pigma.

Since "???" so apparently a member of Star Wolf and didn't attack last night...

4 kills.

Quite interesting that I am paying most attention to this game, you can tell who wants to get rid of the mafia (Andross) and win. (It's me)

I know perfectly what happened last night. Notice that I said "The most kills we've ever seen in a single night is 2" and it is true. Last night there was 3 kill attempts, but only 1 kill.

Besides, your 4 kills per night seems to include Peppy and "???". One is a confirmed townie, and the other is likely member of Star Wolf. Andross does not have 4 kills, they have 2 at best, if Gorgon and Droid can repeat a kill every night.

[Beskar]

Even then, we need to use the vigilente abilities to hit the mafia. If we miss, then it would be the non-andross that suffers.

We need to hit our non-investigated, Andross is hiding in there.

[Romanic]

Beskar, would you care to reveal on which night you recruited Pigma into your team?

[Beskar]

The night Pinman died. Pigma isn't Andross.

The fact is, one of the non-investigated is Andross. Make sure Peppy deals with Chaotix, ??? will deal with the other. I will be really upset if one of the investigated dies, as it completely ruins an opportunity of us to narrow down our suspects (ie: non-investigated) opposed to those who have been cleared and are not Andross.

[Romanic]

The night Pinman died.

Pinman died on Day 4. So Night 3 or Night 4?

[Beskar]

Pinman died on Day 4. So Night 3 or Night 4?

Night 4. I noticed something in one of the posts, after it came out about me being Star Wolf.

[Askthepizzaguy]

24 hours have passed and I have orders from all teams.

Your actions are now locked in. Hold on to your butts......

[Secura]

Beskar, would you care to reveal on which night you recruited Pigma into your team?

I can answer this fully, because recruiting Pigma was my ability and personal goal.

Pigma officially joined Star Wolf on the 26th June 2010; I received a tip-off that a certain player was Pigma (shortly before the private conversation ban), investigated said player to confirm the fact, then recruited them shortly afterwards. :3

[Romanic]

I can answer this fully, because recruiting Pigma was my ability and personal goal.

Pigma officially joined Star Wolf on the 26th June 2010; I received a tip-off that a certain player was Pigma (shortly before the private conversation ban), investigated said player to confirm the fact, then recruited them shortly afterwards. :3

I don't get it - Why did you receive a private tip-off when you could talk on the Star Wolf QT?

Did the tip-off came from someone who was not on your team?

[Secura]

Did the tip-off came from someone who was not on your team?

Essentially, the person with the Pigma role approached Beskar and hinted that they would like to join our team; I was informed of this and acted immediately, discovered that they were Pigma and sent the invitation to them via Pizza. :3

[Double A]

Beskar -- please list all of the living people you have confirmed as Cornerian. I don't even care if you mix in a teammate or two in order to hide them, I just want to know who's been checked out. Please also list any people you have as "non-Cornerian".

Double A, please do the same for any results that have already been made public. I don't have time to go through the thread trying to dig all of this out, but presumably you have easier access to the information and know which results are allowable to talk about.

I'm pretty sure everyone Arpeg checked out is now dead, but if anyone remembers differently, let me know. I'm going to try to take a crack at this; I need information.

I've said them multiple times... but fine.

N1: Beefy187 (not neutral)
N2: wideyedwanderer (not neutral)
N3: Romanic (not neutral)
N4: Beskar (neutral)
N5: Yaseikhaan (not neutral)
N6: forgot orders
N7: Khazaar (neutral)
N8: Died

If anyone EVER asks again, you can just go straight to search bar hell.

[Romanic]

Essentially, the person with the Pigma role approached Beskar and hinted that they would like to join our team; I was informed of this and acted immediately, discovered that they were Pigma and sent the invitation to them via Pizza. :3

Oh no! Pigma basically invited himself into your team.

http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Pigma

Look at this guy, he is listed as a member of every faction (Star Fox, Star Wolf, Venomian, Andross). He could easily be a spy who infiltrated your team.

Was he ever scanned for neutrality?

That would explain why there has been no kill on the Star Wolf team so far. Andross knows who you are and is getting free information on the QT, so he intends to kill Star Wolf last. It would also explain how they miraculously hit blue innocent every time (11 night in a row so far) as they could be using your scan results to find who we are.

[Double A]

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My scanner doesn't give back "neutral or something else, OR town or something else" results. It's either neutral or not neutral. I don't see HOW that doesn't make sense.

[Secura]

Oh no! Pigma basically invited himself into your team.

But it was my personal goal to recruit Pigma... I was always going to pursue such a course, and was ready to tear my hair out until I got the tip-off; are you genuinely saying that Pizza gave me an ability and personal goal to recruit a role that was going to tear our group apart?

Was he ever scanned for neutrality?

I don't think Pigma was scanned by anyone but me, and that was merely to see if a player was Pigma or not... so that'd be a 'no'.

That would explain why there has been no kill on the Star Wolf team so far. Andross knows who you are and is getting free information on the QT, so he intends to kill Star Wolf last. It would also explain how they miraculously hit blue innocent every time (11 night in a row so far) as they could be using your scan results to find who we are.

This is certainly plausible, but I'm pretty hesistant to accept it as a given considering the severe implications.