Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded]

[Secura]

Did the tip-off came from someone who was not on your team?

Essentially, the person with the Pigma role approached Beskar and hinted that they would like to join our team; I was informed of this and acted immediately, discovered that they were Pigma and sent the invitation to them via Pizza. :3

[Romanic]

Essentially, the person with the Pigma role approached Beskar and hinted that they would like to join our team; I was informed of this and acted immediately, discovered that they were Pigma and sent the invitation to them via Pizza. :3

Oh no! Pigma basically invited himself into your team.

http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Pigma

Look at this guy, he is listed as a member of every faction (Star Fox, Star Wolf, Venomian, Andross). He could easily be a spy who infiltrated your team.

Was he ever scanned for neutrality?

That would explain why there has been no kill on the Star Wolf team so far. Andross knows who you are and is getting free information on the QT, so he intends to kill Star Wolf last. It would also explain how they miraculously hit blue innocent every time (11 night in a row so far) as they could be using your scan results to find who we are.

[Double A]

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My scanner doesn't give back "neutral or something else, OR town or something else" results. It's either neutral or not neutral. I don't see HOW that doesn't make sense.

[Romanic]

My scanner doesn't give back "neutral or something else, OR town or something else" results. It's either neutral or not neutral. I don't see HOW that doesn't make sense.

Someone read my post too quickly.

I was asking Secura or Beskar if Pigma has been scanned for neutrality. I know all the results of your scans, AA. I'm in your team, remember?

[Secura]

I was asking Secura or Beskar if Pigma has been scanned for neutrality.

The player who tipped us off was scanned around the 25-26th June and revealed by my investigation to be Pigma... I don't think that player has been scanned since.

[Secura]

Oh no! Pigma basically invited himself into your team.

But it was my personal goal to recruit Pigma... I was always going to pursue such a course, and was ready to tear my hair out until I got the tip-off; are you genuinely saying that Pizza gave me an ability and personal goal to recruit a role that was going to tear our group apart?

Was he ever scanned for neutrality?

I don't think Pigma was scanned by anyone but me, and that was merely to see if a player was Pigma or not... so that'd be a 'no'.

That would explain why there has been no kill on the Star Wolf team so far. Andross knows who you are and is getting free information on the QT, so he intends to kill Star Wolf last. It would also explain how they miraculously hit blue innocent every time (11 night in a row so far) as they could be using your scan results to find who we are.

This is certainly plausible, but I'm pretty hesistant to accept it as a given considering the severe implications.

[Romanic]

But it was my personal goal to recruit Pigma... I was always going to pursue such a course, and was ready to tear my hair out until I got the tip-off; are you genuinely saying that Pizza gave me an ability and personal goal to recruit a role that was going to tear our group apart?

Ugh... no I'm not saying that. It's news to me that your PG was to recruit Pigma. Did you mention it before in the game thread? If you did, well... I missed it.

Still I think it's possible. It would be a brilliant twist in the game. Who knows with Pizza.

I don't think Pigma was scanned by anyone but me, and that was merely to see if a player was Pigma or not... so that'd be a 'no'.

If you have any way to scan Pigma, I suggest you do so, especially if you can scan for neutrality. However, I'm not sure how useful a ship scanning ability would be in this case.

Btw, I know that Pigma is the odd day vigilante and that he killed Choxorn (Fox). Besides the suspicions I already stated, I found that Beskar slipped in the game thread yesterday.

Post #1599

still leaves ATPGood, Chaotix, Wideyewander,Miotas, Hell_Hound unaccounted for. I hope Pigma's attack, takes one of them out.

Of course he edited his post after Choxorn noticed, but his post contains the unedited version:

Post #1619

Originally Posted by Beskar
I hope Pigma's attack, takes one of them out.

What?

You have to look at everything Pigma said in the QT. Look for hints on how eager/unwilling he was to kill people.

Pinman knew Beskar was Star Wolf, so we can assume they have a scanner, unless Pigma was told Day 4 who Beskar was, in which case, he could have told Pinman. If they do have a scanner, then it's possible that they would have scanned Choxorn and knew him to be Fox. So have a careful look at what happened on Night 9 when Fox was killed by Pigma - Who proposed the kill, how Pigma reacted etc...

[Romanic]

Blah, what a night. We lost Peppy, Wolf and Leon. I guess that clarifies our questions about Star Wolf being on our side.

At least Peppy got Skooma (Rock Crusher), if that's any consolation.

How many are they? We never heard of Rock Crusher before last night.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Ouch.

[Frozen In Ice]

So Shogun Droid, Gorgon, Vulcain, and Andross are still alive, with only 12 people left. It appears Wolf was ???, so hopefully the Star Wolf scanner survived and can tell us about Autolycus.

Basically the only way the town has a chance is if Andross or Vulcain gets lynched today (Shogun Droid and Gorgon seem to work together so taking out one of them won't reduce the kill count). That should reduce the number of kills tomorrow night to 2 which would put us at 9 people total, 3 mafia. If then the other mafia of the Andross + Vulcain pair gets lynched that would give them only one kill from Shogun and Gorgon. That means two days from now that would be 7 people left, 2 mafia. It looks like it's still possible for the town, but we gotta be perfect from now on!

[TheFlax]

How many are they? We never heard of Rock Crusher before last night.

I'll echo Romanic's sentiments here. We know of three bad guys and there are only three unscanned people remaining (IIRC), unless autolycus wasn't scanned. Even if he wasn't, things don't fit. Was Skooma Addict scanned?

Perhaps we have been putting too much faith in scans? Not to disparage Beskar, but we should probably look over the thread again and bring up possibly new suspects.

Chaotix tweaked my gut in the last rounds. More on this when I have time to check the thread.

[Romanic]

Errrr, okay.... ??? was Wolf, so it destroys my theory about Pigma being the odd day vigilante.

Whatever, lynch him. He's probably Cornerian, but I don't care anymore. Last night had 5 deaths, that's just insane.

No, AA, just no!!!

Listen to James McCloud: "Don't ever give up"

Last night we lost four, but we DOUBLED our Androssian kills in a night! We're gonna get them, don't despair.

I'll echo Romanic's sentiments here. We know of three bad guys and there are only three unscanned people remaining (IIRC), unless autolycus wasn't scanned. Even if he wasn't, things don't fit. Was Skooma Addict scanned?

Skooma was listed a neutral by Beskar in his recent posts, but I'm not sure when he was scanned. Maybe a look back at the thread will reveal more details.

Last time I checked, there was 4 unscanned players left: autolycus, Chaotix, hell_hound and wideyedwanderer.

Perhaps we have been putting too much faith in scans? Not to disparage Beskar, but we should probably look over the thread again and bring up possibly new suspects.

We definitely need to do that. Neutral players who have been scanned early are more likely to have been converted, so knowing when someone was scanned plays should play a big part in who we should focus on. Obviously the 3 remaining Star Wolf have better insights than everyone else.

[Beskar]

Everything in my previous posts were correct at the time. Any edits were to fix typing errors, etc. Anyway, good luck.

[Double A]

What the HELL just happened!?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Due to what seems to be an unintentional rule break, two players are hereby asked to refrain from posting anymore, until the game is over.

Final reminder to everyone: Do not communicate outside of thread. Next time, it could result in a ban from my games. I'm very sorry.

[Renata]

Due to what seems to be an unintentional rule break, two players are hereby asked to refrain from posting anymore, until the game is over.

Final reminder to everyone: Do not communicate outside of thread. Next time, it could result in a ban from my games. I'm very sorry.

I just want to bend the rules a little more to say one of them was me. I wanted to do more for the game than I have, and now I can't due to my own fault. I'm sorry, townies. Good luck.

(posted with permission)

[autolycus]

Ok, so we seem to have at least 4 androssians left (Shogun Droid, Vulcain, Gorgon, and Andross himself). Based on Beskar's results, this seems to provide proof that one or more of them are converts from being Venomian. This helps to corroborate my ability, because it's a clear indication of a converter. Our top priority clearly needs to be tracking down Andross, however. I am fairly convinced at this point that Andross is none other than WideyedWanderer. He hasn't been scanned by Beskar, and was scanned on night 2 by Double A as non-neutral. It's possible he's a vanilla Cornerian, but I don't think it's likely.
Vote: WideyedWanderer

[Double A]

Whatever, lynch him. He's probably Cornerian, but I don't care anymore. Last night had 5 deaths, that's just insane.

[wideyedwanderer]

Ok, so we seem to have at least 4 androssians left (Shogun Droid, Vulcain, Gorgon, and Andross himself). Based on Beskar's results, this seems to provide proof that one or more of them are converts from being Venomian. This helps to corroborate my ability, because it's a clear indication of a converter. Our top priority clearly needs to be tracking down Andross, however. I am fairly convinced at this point that Andross is none other than WideyedWanderer. He hasn't been scanned by Beskar, and was scanned on night 2 by Double A as non-neutral. It's possible he's a vanilla Cornerian, but I don't think it's likely. Then you're going to feel very wrong after I die.
Vote: WideyedWanderer

It'd be one thing if you said something like, "I think wideyedwanderer could be andross." But you said, "I'm fairly convinced he's andross." Sounds to me like you're trying a little too hard to blame someone, especially since you don't have any argument against me except for saying I was scanned by Double A. If you were really "fairly convinced" I'm andross, you'd have more proof. Not to mention, you role revealed quickly after people first started getting suspicious of you. Feeling the heat? (Yet, the mafia still chose not to kill him last night? Hm...) Vote: Autolycus. I don't even care if I die. The town is lost.