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    The Council in Rome started small enough. In the early 11th century, the Italian powers agreed to meet in a large Council Chamber in neutral Rome to discuss diplomatic issues. Before long, other European powers began to meet there, until all of Europe sent diplomats to its hallowed halls. Shockingly, in the middle of the century, the Moors requested to send a delegation. This was accepted, and it wasn't long before every major power regardless of religion sent members to the Council. Even excommunicated countries were allowed at least one representative.

    Now, the Council building is filled with living spaces for diplomats, and contains a huge Chamber in the center where they argue the issues of the day. It has no formal power, but serves as a place for public alliances to be announced, as well as unilateral decrees. Deals are sometimes made in the open as well, so the weight of public opinion can help to enforce them. Of course, petty bickering and gloating is common as well.

    Declared Alliances:
    -Italian Coalition: Sicily, Milan, Venice
    -Balkan Alliance: Byzantine Empire, Hungary, Venice
    -Hungarian-Polish Alliance
    -The North Sea Alliance: The HRE, England, Denmark

    Ongoing Conflicts:
    -Conflicting claims on Iberian and North African settlements beween Spain, Portugal and Sicily versus the Moors

    Wars:
    Anglo-Scottish War: 1082-1090

    Sicilo-Moorish War: 1090-?

    Portuguese-Moorish War: 1090-?

    Special treaties.

    Treaty of Hamburg, signed 1084 by Kaiser Heinrich of the Holy Roman Empire and King Knud of Denmark.

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    1. The Holy Roman Empire and the Kingdom of Denmark guarentee each other's independance, as well as thier territorial integrity.

    2. The Holy Roman Empire and the Kingdom of Denmark guarantee to aid one another in any defensive war. "Defensive" is to be interpreted as including but not limited to situations where a third party threatens or does not accepts reasonable territorial claims.

    3. The Holy Roman Empire and the Kingdom of Denmark also agree not to withhold aid (military or otherwise) in a war of aggression by one party, without some form of justification, and guarantee in all cases, not to provide aid to, or intervene on the side of the warring party's enemies (subject to the exclusion in section 4.).

    4. This treaty shall be null and void if either party attacks any member of the Italian Coalition.


    The Charter of the Italian Coalition, signed in 1084 by King Roger of Sicily Doge Giorgio of Milan, and Doge Domenico of Venice.

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    Charter of the Italian Coalition

    1. The purpose of the Coalition:


    The Coalition of Italy has its origins in the realization of its members that the Italian peninsula is a rich and tempting target for neighboring factions, and that its members have more to gain from cooperation than in engaging in separate foreign policies, which would allow enemies to divide and conquer the peninsula. For this reason Milan, Sicily and Venice, the founding members, have formed the Coalition to face common threats, cooperate in the expansion of its member-states, and form a common foreign policy for all of Italy. As all three members are neighbors of his Holiness the Pope, the Coalition will also undertake the defense of Rome.

    2. Obligations of its members to the Coalition:

    a. Defense:

    The primary obligation of members to the Coalition is that of a common defense. Any country that attacks any member becomes an enemy to all, and we will stand united against them. For all intents and purposes, the Pope is considered a member of the coalition when it comes to the defense of Rome.

    b. Foreign Policy:

    Another obligation to members is to cooperate on forming a common foreign policy concerning the Coalition's relations with the other countries of the world. Whenever possible, members will stand with each other in any dispute or war between a member and any non-member. To ensure that this will not put any member into an awkward position unless absolutely necessary, major plans should be discussed before being put into place by any single member.

    c. Vis a vis other alliances of members:

    The Coalition does not prohibit members from making their own bilateral deals or alliances with countries outside of it. However, it is important that Coalition agreements and obligations trump any bilateral agreements and no member should engage in plans against another member.

    3. Coalition Organization

    a. Division of Italy between the three founding members:

    Each of the three founding members has their own sphere of influence in the Italian peninsula. Milan is preeminent in Milan, Genoa, Florence, and the Italian Alpine settlement of Bern. Sicily will control Palermo, Naples, and the islands of Ajaccio and Cagliari. Venice is limited to Venice itself and Bologna in the Italian peninsula, but controls Ragusa and Durazzo on the Adriatic coast nearby. Ownership of provinces taken outside these realms is up for negotiation between members.

    b. Spokesman:

    In order to enable other countries to more easily understand the coalition’s common stances in foreign policy, one member is given the honor of making statements for the Coalition in the Council. The title of Coalition Spokesmen is given to the King of Sicily. In addition to representing the Coalition to other nations, Sicily also receives an extra vote in the rare event of a three-way tie between members on any issue. Should the King deem it fitting, he also is allowed the task of forming the coalition’s common foreign policy, and planning the fulfillment of its short and long-range goals.


    A map specially prepared by Cecil XIX showing different countries' claims on territories.

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    Basically I just filled in a territory with the color of the faction that claimed it. I also changed the borders in Prague, Hamburg, Bologne and Durazzo to reflect that those lands have already been taken.

    When I noticed multiple or unresolved claims, I used diagonal lines alternative between claimants. In situations where the disputed province is already controlled, I gave the faction with the homefiled advantage triple-thick lines.
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    The Sultan of Egypt will be pleased to entertain any offers of diplomatic ties from his Catholic brothers. We are all sons of one God, let us not anger our father with unruly scuffles!


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    King Henrique of Portugal lays claim to Zaragosa. Also, if Spain does not publicly claim Valencia, he shall be its master as well.
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    Greetings from cold Denmark

    I would like to state publically that I claim the title of King of the Danes, as well as King of Sweden, and I lay claim to all scandinavian lands. Any interference therewith will be counted as a declaration of war on my little kingdom.

    Other than that, I am not interested in early expansionism, and in any case hope that diplomatic solutions will always take precedence to the force of arms. While I am not theortically opposed to friendly relations with rulers who do no embrace the one true faith, I must stress that as a recently converted country I do consider the word of the pope important
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    The King of England lays claim to the entire British Isles. He will respect other's sphere of influence if they respect his. There is a minor tribe north of him. They are not to be treated as your equals. Because, quite simply, they are not your equals. This minor tribe will fade into obscurity soon enough. Forget I even mentioned them.


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    The Doge of Venice would like to state that he is open to negotiations with all of his fellow Catholics, and with others under the right circumstances as well. He also states that he accepts the claims of the Kings of Denmark and England over their respective spheres of influence, and wishes them well. He would like to extend a hand of peace to the Holy Roman Emperor, and vouchsafe the safety of isolated Bologne.
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    King Wladyslaw welcomes his brothers in faith and hopes to spread catholicism to all corners of the world. To achieve this, he lays claim to all lands currently surrounding his that are not already part of those of a catholic brother. He would be most displeased if someone did.
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    King Malcom refuses to acknowledge the Normans' claim to the British Isles.

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    Sultan Jalal extends his greetings to the Princes of Europe and the Sultan of Egypt. The Turks would like to establish trade and relations with those that attend this council.

    The trade routes to the mysterious Orient would provide many goods that European eyes have never seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignoramus
    King Malcom refuses to acknowledge the Normans' claim to the British Isles.
    King William wishes to know who let this tribal leader in here!?!

    Are we letting anyone join the council?

    These people run around naked and covered in feces.

    I implore the Council to eject these tribesmen at once and refuse to deal with them as equals.

    King William announces to the Council that he refuses to deal with any "rebels" that are in your lands and only wishes the same courtesy be extended to him.


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    King Roger would like to express his sympathy for the Muslims of the levant and announec his claim to Corsica and Sardinia as well as all North Africa bar Egypt.

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    Kaiser Heinrich IV hereby claims all German and Bohemian lands. That includes Hamburg, Stettin, Magdeburg, Breslau and Bohemia.

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    King Wladyslaw wishes to inform Kaiser Heinrich that he has already laid claim to Stettin, Magdeburg, Breslau and Prague before Kaiser Heinrich did.
    If Kaiser Heinrich is to lay his hands on any of these places, King Wladyslaw considers this an open declaration of war.

    Kaiser Heinrich is most welcome to lay his claim on Hamburg and the lands to the west and south of him. The east belongs to Poland.
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    King William wishes for all Lords on the mainland to know that he desires no lands outside of his islands, except for Normandy which he already possesses. He will happily honor and accept any Lord's claim on the mainland if they accept King William's own claim to the Isles.

    Also, trade is important to England and the King plans on sending his own daughter on a diplomatic tour to establish trade rights. Alliances are possible and all Lords who wish one with England may approach the King for consideration.


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    King Wladyslaw considers King William's claim to all the isles and Normandy as legitimate and wishes to inform him that an alliance would be welcomed.
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    In the interest of full disclosure, King William is considering an alliance with Kaiser Heinrich. Therefore, King William wishes that the Holy Roman Empire and Poland can find some sort of settlement. If they can not, then England can not in good conscience sign an alliance with Poland as that would be a conflict of interest.

    The King comes to this decision with great regret and hopes King Wladyslaw realizes that it is not a snub at him. King William would very much welcome an alliance with the Polish people. If King Wladyslaw and Kaiser Heinrich could come to some sort of agreement on the lands bordering their two great Kingdoms, then King William would be overjoyed.

    As for how the lands in central Europe should be divided, King William has no opinion on the matter as it is not his business nor his concern.


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    Poland has already graciously offered Hamburg to Kaiser Heinrich. Any further claims to the east will not be tolerated. If this is agreeable to Kaiser Heinrich, then King Wladyslaw sees no problem with an alliance with both of the rulers.

    Further, King Wladyslaw wishes to extend his hand to his eastern brothers, the Hungarians, under King Laszlo. King Wladyslaw offers all lands south of Krakow's border in Europe to his Hungarian friends and wishes to extend his hand in alliance.
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    Great Lords and represenatives,

    King László sends his greeting to all the Lords and Kings of Europe. He is open to negotiations with all great christian Lords, and like his noble brother Wladyslaw he wishes to spread christianity in all corners of the world.

    Also, King László is the most happy to accept the allience of King Wladyslaw and wishes to tighten the bond between the two great kingdoms by a marriage between the two royal families.

    Last but not least, King László asserts his claims to the lands of Zagreb, Sofia, Buchurest and Iasa, which claims, he is sure, no one will object.
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    Kaiser Heinrich IV shall not relinquish his claims over German and Czech lands, nor do we believe that this disagreement should lead to war. King Wladyslaw I is welcome to expand eastward, as we hear that Russia is quite big.

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    King Wladyslaw will not take action against Kaiser Heinrich's vassal until the time that Kaiser Heinrich violates the wishes of King Wladyslaw by taking Stettin, Magdeburg, Breslau or Prague or declaring war directly upon the Polish people or their allies.

    King Wladyslaw wishes to point out to Kaiser Heinrich, that crossing King Wladyslaw is not advisable.
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    Doge Domenico would like the Council to be aware that he supports the claims of King Wladyslaw in principle, although with a rather large number of territories involved, he suggests that a compromise between the two might be possible.

    He also wishes to come out in support of the claims of the King of Sicily to Corsica and Sardinia. The only Italian land claimed by Venice is that of Florence, which we believe should be in the hands of a Northern Italian power.

    We also lay claim to Durazzo, which while small today, we hope to turn into a trading city.
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    Agree with the Doge of Venice on all points. King Roger though may want to keep grand claims of "all of north Africa other than Egypt" a little more serious, until he has the capacity to actually take those lands. Not that the Danes have a problem with the claim.

    I support both King Wladyslaw and Emperor Heinrich in principle, and do not wish to choose sides. I would be most pleased with a compromise.

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    Spain is laying claim to Valencia. I would like to cooperate with the Portuguese fighting the Moors.

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    The Sultan acknowledges the Sicilian claim to all lands west of Tripoli (In other words I couldn't defend them anyway) and issues his own claim to Jerusalem and some negotiable surrounding territory.

    The Sultan wishes to make it known that pilgrims of all faiths shall be welcome in the holy city so long as they come in peace and unarmed.


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    King William is gratified to hear of the Sultan's promise to continue to allow religious pilgrimage. It is a solemn responsibility and England is glad that someone is taking it up.


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    King Henrique would like to extend an offer of alliance to King Alfonso el Valiente of Spain. Together we can carve up the Moorish territories evenly.
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    Sultan Tahar, in his eternal wisdom and knowledge, demands to know what claim the non-Muslim countries of the Iberian Peninsula could possibly have on North Africa, which has traditionally been Muslim.
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    Bonjour mes ami, King Philip would like to announce that we claim the rebel settlements in our surronding area. Rebel settlements between the Holy Roman Empire and us can be shared, we can discuss further on which ones they wish to claim.
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    King William recognizes King Philip's claims and extends a heartfelt greeting to the French. The only settlement on the mainland that the English desire is Normandy(Caen), which we already have. In a show of peace, England will remove all troops from this castle except for garrisons, trainees, and watchtower construction crews.

    All King William wishes of the French, is peace and trade. An alliance may also be possible but that conversation should be left for when the two Kings meet in private.


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    The Mighty Sultan of the Moors desires trade with all of the nations of the world, and will entertain all offers of alliance.
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