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Omanes Alexandrapolites
03-25-2008, 17:31
Vote: HannibalBarc
Both due to Holmes readings and previous specified reasons.
I also am concerned about GH, as previously stated - HannibalBarca followed him at first, and now he's trying to protect him. Is this a mafia partnership?
GeneralHankerchief
03-25-2008, 17:32
I also am concerned about GH, as previously stated - HannibalBarca followed him at first, and now he's trying to protect him. Is this a mafia partnership?
No, I'm just trying to prevent lynches of newbies that are without basis. I've always done this.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-25-2008, 17:33
I very much disagree that my reason for voting for GH is a bad one, though. The write-ups are the only hard evidence available to us at the moment. GH is not an inexperienced player. From what I understand, he created this entire game at the Org. I find it very unlikely that he would simply skim the write-up if he were pro-town. Like the rest of us, he would be looking at it for details that could help us win. The only reason to skim it is if he already knew what it would say.
But it's simply not true that experienced players don't skim the write up, and it's even more untrue that a good player would make a case that could be disproved by the write up if he'd read it. It is bad reasoning.
Does anyone know if rythmic is usually this pro-active?
I always skim writeups, unless there's discussion on them and I want to let the wrath of my intuition come upon them. I think many do. no direct reason for suspicion. Let's not lynch the remaining active players just yet eh? (*looks at the number of lurkers*..)
I've got to say Rythmic is doing a nice job summarizing, but don't recall him to be that active either? aw well, capo 2 was the first game in a while that I played, I missed a lot games before that..
btw, I never actually heard what 'holmes' is/how it works, whatever, but how accurate is it? Omanes claims that it's pointing to hannibalbarc,.. and our current lynch target are mostly shots in the dark anyway.. I'm in doubt who to vote!
But it's simply not true that experienced players don't skim the write up, and it's even more untrue that a good player would make a case that could be disproved by the write up if he'd read it. It is bad reasoning.
I see your point, and perhaps I am a bit biased because I read everything by habit. Still, if what you are saying is true, then GH should have switched his vote off Caius when I pointed out that the write-up disproved his reason for voting for him. GH has been active in this thread since that time and has not changed his vote. I would like to see some explanation for that before I change my own vote.
TC, if it would be a maybe-deciding vote I'd agree, but it makes no sense. His vote is as useless as is an 'abstain', since Caius isn't going to be lynched. Why would he keep a 'suspicious vote' on someone, when it doesn't help anyway? makes no sense..
Proletariat
03-25-2008, 18:12
FoS: Everyone who bandwagoned TP after my ghost vote. My reasoning wasn't very strong yet it was latched on to pretty quickly.
Tally
TruePraetorian = 5 (CA, w&f, FH, EF, Hannibal)
Those three stand out to me for now
GeneralHankerchief
03-25-2008, 18:17
My vote on Caius was not because I believed him to be responsible in a series of Capo-vengeance killings, it's because he hadn't said anything of consequence. This is still the case. Thus, my vote stays.
My vote on Caius was not because I believed him to be responsible in a series of Capo-vengeance killings, it's because he hadn't said anything of consequence. This is still the case. Thus, my vote stays.
Re-reading you vote post, I see this now. I will therefore retract my vote. Of the other likely lynchees, I see little more than 'instinct' type reasoning given for voting for TP and CA, so I don't think worthy of lynching at the moment. I will thus go for Fahad I, since he's the other high-vote option and Rythmic makes an interesting point about his posting style.
Unvote: GeneralHankerchief
Vote: Fahad I
Makanyane
03-25-2008, 18:29
Vote: Omanes
He's voting Hannibal on the basis of a supposed Holmes reading which was from last game - not this one..... looks much too much like just latching onto the most convenient target and not really trying to follow thread at all.
(sorry I'm going to have to come back to do Tally in later post)
I got it for you, Makanyane.
Tally:
TruePraetorian = 5 (CA, w&f, FH, EF, Hannibal)
Fahad I = 4 (Kommodus, Drisos, Seamus, TinCow)
CountArach = 3 (pever, NN, Ryth)
Caius = 2 (GH, Fahad I)
Kommodus = 2 (Tratorix, Crazed Rabbit)
Drisos = 1 (Mouza)
TinCow = 1 (Andres)
HannibalBarc = 1 (Omanes)
Omanes = 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane
03-25-2008, 18:39
Thanks - I was just getting there but trying to preview to check no votes changed in mean time was starting to be a pain as site is lagging for me....
I came to same conclusion based off Seamus's last version, think that leaves:
Not Voting = 10 (Banana, Caius, Ichigo, Joe, Sara', Tiber', True', TB, Horus, Yaro')
Kommodus
03-25-2008, 18:43
Ok, just to set the record straight:
1. I did add a new feature to Holmes prior to CDTC II. I had used it in a couple of small games prior to Capo, with promising yet mixed results.
2. In Capo, I really did believe Hannibalbarc was guilty, as Sigurd says. Seamus believed I was just making the whole thing up, but unfortunately that wasn't the case - I simply made a bad read. It happens.
3. It's true that Fahad I is new, but I still don't trust him. He seems to be lurking in the thread, and his responses seem dodgy and evasive.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
03-25-2008, 18:48
Vote: Omanes
He's voting Hannibal on the basis of a supposed Holmes reading which was from last game - not this one..... looks much too much like just latching onto the most convenient target and not really trying to follow thread at all.It seems I missed a portion of page three (on my set up). Regardless of the Holmes reading, it's more on the reason I stated before really - he seemed too willing to follow GH's theory that a bandwagon equalled higher discussion levels without actually understanding what it meant. This could be a new player trying to follow a more experienced one, but I do doubt it.
I am also weary of GH since HannibalBarca seemed to follow his idea and later he moved in to protect him. The former could just be coincidence, or it could be a fairly new mafioso following his buddy.
Fahad I also seems rather suspect - his posts are short and he is not responding to the comments of others against him. This is one of the two extreme forms of mafia tactic - either responding violently to everything directed against you violently, or ignoring it/classifying it trivially. This could be a sign of inexperience though, so probably isn't solid enough considering stronger other leads.
gibsonsg91921
03-25-2008, 18:56
What is Holmes?
Makanyane
03-25-2008, 18:57
@ Omanes, but you stated
Both due to Holmes readings...
It looks fairly obvious to me unless I'm missing something that the only Holmes reading claim against him was for Capo, you latching onto mere mention of that so readily is tending to look like a scummy deflection attempt! Pure carelessness maybe..... but doesn't seem a good sign.
EDIT: above was response to Omanes pre-edit response - seems he's now claiming to not have seen part of thread.... think I'll leave figuring this out further to some of more experienced players for now, I'm still not entirely convinced.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
03-25-2008, 19:01
What is Holmes?Holmes is an advanced program designed by Kommodus to assist in mafia detection. You can find more details on its strategies and methods here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=78384).
~:)
Hannibalbarc
03-25-2008, 19:12
Also, may I add that, I wasn't guilty when Kommodus first accused me of being mafia, I guess it was stupid of me to get into trouble after that.
Hannibalbarc
03-25-2008, 19:24
3. It's true that Fahad I is new, but I still don't trust him. He seems to be lurking in the thread, and his responses seem dodgy and evasive.
Don't most new players lurk, from what I've seen they do, and being new myself,
I would say that if a new player starts posting a lot, he'll probably get himself lynched pretty fast whether he was guilty or not.
Mouzafphaerre
03-25-2008, 20:08
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Unvote: Drisos
Vote: Abstain
I'm a simpleton. I don't get this terror going on. All I want is to survive another night. ~:mecry:
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Mouzafphaerre
03-25-2008, 20:24
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Unvote: Drisos
Vote: Abstain
I'm a simpleton. I don't get this terror going on. All I want is to survive another night. ~:mecry:
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Oh, and I would never jump the bandwagon about Sasaki but, but... no, I can't speak, horrible, horrible... My teeth are still trembling thinking about that...oh, no! ~:mecry:
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Crazed Rabbit
03-25-2008, 20:24
FoS: Mouza
Seems like an unsubtle way of trying to establish that you don't know what's going on.
CR
Mouzafphaerre
03-25-2008, 20:34
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FoS: Crazed Rabbit
For FoSsing an innocent, scared, threatened citizen. What's the Netherworld coming to? :end:
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Hannibalbarc
03-25-2008, 21:12
It seems I missed a portion of page three (on my set up). Regardless of the Holmes reading, it's more on the reason I stated before really - he seemed too willing to follow GH's theory that a bandwagon equalled higher discussion levels without actually understanding what it meant. This could be a new player trying to follow a more experienced one, but I do doubt it.
I though bandwagoning meant to vote for some one without a reason, so what I was trying to saying, voting without a reason=discussion, and I didn't follow GH, none of us had a real reason for voting then, and when I voted, beefy replied with this,
Vote: Hannibalbarc
For not stating the reason.
So I answered with this, telling him we didn't need a reason.
Bandwagoning = discussion
Its pretty hard to reply to someone when I'm sleeping.
My vote on Caius was not because I believed him to be responsible in a series of Capo-vengeance killings, it's because he hadn't said anything of consequence. This is still the case. Thus, my vote stays
Well, some mafiosi from Capo is killing Prole, shlin, who were the last survivors of the town of Capo II.
CountArach
03-25-2008, 22:42
@ pever, Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1870722&postcount=226)
What is it you want me to talk about? All you have is a gut feeling, I can't refute a gut feeling.
@ Rythmic, Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1870874&postcount=239)
I challenge you to look over most of the recent games in the first round. You will find I had that exact same reasoning for voting for several people (That is, they actually tried to reason out a vote in the first round... yes the I am aware of the irony).
As for why I vote TP, I was genuine about it. I would remind people I wasn't the only one on that bandwagon. pever jumped on right before me.
seireikhaan
03-25-2008, 23:34
Voting ends in 45 minutes.
Current tally:
TruePraetorian = 5 (CA, w&f, FH, EF, Hannibal)
Fahad I = 4 (Kommodus, Drisos, Seamus, TinCow)
CountArach = 3 (pever, NN, Ryth)
Caius = 2 (GH, Fahad I)
Kommodus = 2 (Tratorix, Crazed Rabbit)
TinCow = 1 (Andres)
HannibalBarc = 1 (Omanes)
Omanes = 1 (Makanyane)
Abstain = 1 (Mouza)
BananaBob
03-25-2008, 23:55
Vote:Proletariat
Too eager to let us know that she was just a townsdemon. Reeks of hidden agenda.
Proletariat
03-25-2008, 23:56
I'm dead, Banana
Northnovas
03-25-2008, 23:57
I will change my vote because if TP is inactive we are wasting a lynch.
unvote: CountArach
vote: Fahad I
Tally
TruePraetorian = 5 (CA, w&f, FH, EF, Hannibal)
Fahad I = 5 (Kommodus, Drisos, Seamus, TinCow, NN)
CountArach = 2 (pever, Ryth)
Caius = 2 (GH, Fahad I)
Kommodus = 2 (Tratorix, Crazed Rabbit)
TinCow = 1 (Andres)
HannibalBarc = 1 (Omanes)
Omanes = 1 (Makanyane)
Abstain = 1 (Mouza)
I think I am one of those three people and have the tally right.
seireikhaan
03-26-2008, 00:20
Well, this gives us yet another tie. Whichever person gets the next vote shall be lynched.
GeneralHankerchief
03-26-2008, 00:22
Nobody vote this time... :wall:
at least, until we hear from both or a reasonable amount of time passes.
Tratorix
03-26-2008, 00:32
Unvote: Kommodus, Vote:
Just kidding. :laugh4:
Nobody vote this time... :wall:
at least, until we hear from both or a reasonable amount of time passes.
There's no way we'll ever hear from both. As soon as one of them reads the thread, they'll vote for the other one to save their own skin. Barring any info posted by the first one who gets on, along with their vote change, I don't see any chance of further discussion coming from either of them before the lynch.
Northnovas
03-26-2008, 00:48
If there is no response from either or a vote can we keep a tie and have two lynches??
Proletariat
03-26-2008, 01:08
How is a tie lynch good? Someone just go ahead and kill TP. If he's scum he's scum and if he's afk he's no good anyway
Edit: Eh, maybe Fahad is a better choice. Who knows :\
Northnovas
03-26-2008, 01:16
I was thinking of 2 for the price of 1 if we had a tie if that was possible.
Proletariat
03-26-2008, 01:40
Two for one is nice if we know they're guilty. But these early lynches are just much us knowing that we're killing an innocent, just so we can see later who was pivotal in lynching innocent demons. Killing two just kills poor demons unnecessarily
FactionHeir
03-26-2008, 02:05
Vote:TP
Scum
seireikhaan
03-26-2008, 02:08
The council reconvened again, following four more deaths. Accusations quickly went to TruePraetorian, on the claim that he had reason to have layed waste to Proletariat. However, votes soon racked up equally quickly on Fahad I, many believing he was evasive and intentionally avoiding tough questions. Following intense discussion, the council was left at a deadlock tie, when it was broken finally by Ichigo, for seemingly no reason at all. However, the decision was made...
"TruePraetorian, how do you defend yourself against these accusations?" Kamikhaan questioned. TruePraetorian merely kept his head bowed in silence. He did not even attempt to struggle against those who held him in front of their lord, leaving many puzzled. However, the choice was made, and Kamikhaan once again pulled out his ancient, chaotic blade, and with a a swift stroke, severed TruePraetorian's head from his shoulders.
Tally:
TruePraetorian = 6 (CA, Ichigo, w&f, FH, EF, Hannibal)
Fahad I = 5 (Kommodus, Drisos, Seamus, TinCow, NN)
CountArach = 2 (pever, Ryth)
Caius = 2 (GH, Fahad I)
Kommodus = 2 (Tratorix, Crazed Rabbit)
TinCow = 1 (Andres)
HannibalBarc = 1 (Omanes)
Omanes = 1 (Makanyane)
Abstain = 1 (Mouza)
Not Voting = 9 (Banana, Joe, Sara', Tiber', TB, Horus, Yaro', Caius, True')
THOSE WHO ARE BOLDED IN THE NOT VOTING SECTION ARE UP FOR WOG NEXT TURN IF THEY DO NOT CAST A LEGETIMATE VOTE NEXT ROUND. PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME WOG SEVEN FOLKS IN ONE NIGHT.
I want PM orders by 6:30 PM/18:30 CST, for euros, that's 23:30 GMT
FactionHeir
03-26-2008, 02:10
I think you meant WoD. Wrath of Demon or Devil. :grin2:
Scum
Name calling is mean, :bigcry:
BananaBob
03-26-2008, 02:20
Holy crap I am failing so miserably at playing this, every vote I have cast is invalid! :dizzy2:
Gah! :wall: fahad was much better choice!
Fos Ichigo!!:furious3:
GeneralHankerchief
03-26-2008, 02:24
Wow, this isn't looking good for the town. pever, any updates on Sarathos and TB?
Gah! :wall: fahad was much better choice!
Fos Ichigo!!:furious3:
Reason?
Tratorix
03-26-2008, 02:40
Holy crap I am failing so miserably at playing this, every vote I have cast is invalid! :dizzy2:
Thats because you keep casting votes either during the night phase or against people who are dead.
BananaBob
03-26-2008, 02:51
Thats because you keep casting votes either during the night phase or against people who are dead.
I am failing
:laugh4:
pevergreen
03-26-2008, 07:18
As to Sarathos and TB.
TB I walked with to the bus (10 minutes) he doesnt sound like he cares. Hes townie, always like this when hes townie.
Sarathos...I dunno. Ill talk to him.
We had over the last two days a Core Skills Test practice, kind of like the SAT tests.
Does the fact that I haven't voted to keep this fair not impress you people!?
Sarathos
03-26-2008, 11:03
Man, i missed another voting round. I real sorry guys, i have been studying my ass off for my maths exam on friday. I am here and willing to play so I hope I don't get WOGed. I can't go letting the town down like that...
Next round I promise to cast a vote. As for TB, I say just WOG him because i think he has lost interest. He doesn't study so he has no excuse, except maybe he is doing work on his Castle game.
pevergreen
03-26-2008, 11:23
And studying for his two Harder exams.
But he does seem to lose interest a lot.
Twilightblade
03-26-2008, 11:28
Me lose interest?:beam:
pevergreen
03-26-2008, 11:30
Hi Twilightblade, nice to see you around.
What are your thoughts on the game so far?
Hi Sarathos, nice to see you around.
What are your thoughts on the game so far?
FactionHeir
03-26-2008, 11:41
Blatant baiting :laugh4:
TB I walked with to the bus (10 minutes) he doesnt sound like he cares. Hes townie, always like this when hes townie.
Why do people join a game if they're going to back out if they get assigned as a townie? This is only my second mafia game, and I already find it very annoying. It's rude to both the host, who has put so much time into organizing the game, and to the rest of the players, who have the balance screwed up.
If you're going to go inactive if you get a townie role, don't join the game in the first place. :no:
Yes, townie is a fun role once you get the hang of it.
Yes, townie is a fun role once you get the hang of it.
:yes:
Reason?
Well, you show up, and give the deciding vote on TP, with no reason, while it had been argued that TP wasn't a good choice because he was AFK so couldn't defend himself. Scummy.
Does the fact that I haven't voted to keep this fair not impress you people!?
It could very well be that your mate Ichigo did it for you. One of you is getting my vote next round!:whip:
Joe Monks
03-26-2008, 17:06
I havent been wogged yet. To be honest Things are pretty bad with me right now. I have not got the time to read the thread.
For now considering who is most likely to be scum is probably sasaki.
Vote:Sasaki
Seamus Fermanagh
03-26-2008, 17:49
I havent been wogged yet. To be honest Things are pretty bad with me right now. I have not got the time to read the thread.
For now considering who is most likely to be scum is probably sasaki.
Vote:Sasaki
Aside from the fact that it is currently night-time (N3) and that Sasaki was killed on N2, you're good to go.
I havent been wogged yet. To be honest Things are pretty bad with me right now. I have not got the time to read the thread.
For now considering who is most likely to be scum is probably sasaki.
Vote:Sasaki
This is blatant WIFOM. I don't buy it. Me thinks Joe is scum.
I think we got a feather wing - but I can't for the love of Beelzebub believe someone would pull a stunt like this.
Warmaster Horus
03-26-2008, 18:17
Well... Since Sigurd up there says it:
Vote:Joe Monks
Seamus Fermanagh
03-26-2008, 18:20
Well... Since Sigurd up there says it:
Vote:Joe Monks
NIGHT...as in dark outside....no voting until that bright yellow thing peaks out...
:wall:
Is this mafia or a Keystone Cops flick!
:dizzy:
Well, you show up, and give the deciding vote on TP, with no reason, while it had been argued that TP wasn't a good choice because he was AFK so couldn't defend himself. Scummy.
I posted in this thread that I wouldn't be able to participate from Sunday til Tuesday night. Once I got back I read the thread and decided.
As for TP, I'd much rather lynch someone who isn't around rather than someone who is actually posting. And since the vote was tied I really didn't have much other choice. It's simple logic really.
gibsonsg91921
03-26-2008, 19:30
Vote: Kamikhaan
What's your story, scum??
Did you guys put Seamus on ignore or what?
It's night. N-I-G-H-T. No voting at night.
EDIT:
Vote: Kamikhaan
What's your story, scum??
Also, kamikhaan is the host... I should rename this thread into "Absurdity mafia" :laugh4:
Makanyane
03-26-2008, 19:42
Vote: Kamikhaan
What's your story, scum??
Gah it is the keystone cops! :laugh4:
would everyone please stop 'voting' - so we have some hope of making sense of this when morning comes......
EDIT: Yes Andres, gibs is also dead, and Kami is the host......
GeneralHankerchief
03-26-2008, 19:47
I think (hope?) that last one was a joke.
gibsonsg91921
03-26-2008, 20:15
Haha relax! Mine was a joke lol
seireikhaan
03-26-2008, 22:56
:whip:
Btw, all orders are in now, so I'll get started on writeups.
seireikhaan
03-27-2008, 00:32
Twilightblade stumbled back towards his guard post, still hung over from a previous night which included an epic bout of drinking and demon orgies. Unfortunately, he was so hungover at the council he had not even managed to utter a single vote for whomever he thought was attempting to bring ruin to their sanctuary. As he reached the entrance, he sat down, hoping to recoup and rest a bit from his previous nights activities. A couple hours later, a pounding sound came to his bleary ears, sounding as though I giant were cruising across the landscape. However, twas no giant, but a new figure it was. A brutish intruder stood before Twilightblade, with a large club slung over its shoulder. Twilightblade managed to give the intruder a filthy, unfocussed glare before the intruder, in apparent disgust, grasped the club in both hands, and smashed the incoherent demon into an unrecognizable mess.
Tiberius of the Drake was overseeing his watch over a group of souls, though paying little actual attention. Tiberius' focus was on the novel he had buried his face in, leeching in every word. Books reminded him of the world of living, and represented a place other than that of which he was so familiar with. He was so focused on his book that he did not even notice the figure walking up to him. He did not realize anything was amiss until his book was literally ripped from his hands by a burning whip. “Wha-” Tiberius had not even finished his sentence when a terrible, black blade had run through his skull, ripping it to fragments.
“How despicable,” the intruder stated. “What worthlessness is this?” The intruder turned a hand to the fragments of pages on the ground, and let loose a blaze of inferno to engulf the words contained within.
Tratorix was withdrawing to his cavernous home, irritated that the council had disagreed with his opinions regarding lynch. However, there was little to be done in the meantime. As he withdrew to most private, he was most surprised to find an alluring demoness awaiting in his quarters. The demoness took notice of her new arrival, and immediately began a sultry stroll towards Tratorix.
“Wha... Who are you...?” Tratorix managed to formulate.
“Oh, I'm just looking for a big, strong, demon to have some fun with.” The demoness responded as she ran a finger along Tratorix's chest. Tratorix decided a bit of 'fun' couldn't hurt, besides, they had plenty of time...He leaned closer to the demoness, to reciprocate her movements. As he neared his mouth to her hers, a sudden, sharp pain rippled across his torso. Stunned, his face turned downwards to find the source of the agonizing fire. He found the demoness' hand punctured through his midsection, feeling claws scraping his insides. He ripped his focus away, back to the demoness, and found an entirely different creature staring him in the face. An animalish face grinned back, fangs bearing. The bizarre intruder's grin then ceased, and in a quick snap, those same fangs became buried in Tratorix's neck, as the intruder ripped and shredded what it could from its victim. Tratorix quickly collapsed in a heap, his wounds far too severe for him to sustain.
As the intruder left the corpse, it glanced back, and uttered, “I'm glad you found me to be so foxy,” before turning once more, a grin on its face.
Fahad I ran back to his home, intent on leaving the company of the seeming many who had wished for his death at the council. Unfortunately for Fahad, he had not his own private cavern like many others, and instead made do with a lean-to against one of the towering mountains throughout the Netherworld. As he got there, he found his lean-to ransacked, devoid of every possession he ever had. Stunned, he scoured over the area, searching for any clue as to how it could have happened.
“Fahad, wondering where your possessions have gone?” A new character had revealed itself from a craggy outcropping above the lean-to. It was a tall, elegant looking character, though it wielded a scythe in its left hand, as well as a pitch-black hood covering its handsome face. “Come on, I'll give you two guesses who took them.” The intruder held up its right hand, two fingers extended. “Hmm, I'll give you a hint. That person is in this very area, and it isn't you.” A grin became visible beneath the hood.
“Damn it, what was this for?!” Fahad demanded.
“Oh, its not as though it matters. After all, you're going to DIE!” the intruder yelled with glee, before dashing from the outcropping with pure ease. However, quite unexpectedly, the intruder's path became quite obstructed. Bounding from the distance in a blaze, a large, fierce creature tackled the intruder beneath its feet. Fierce heads growled down at the pinned intruder. “What?!” The intruder pryed its left hand from beneath the massive creature's foot, and slashed with great effort at one of the heads. The creature reared back, avoiding the blow, but also giving the intruder a chance to escape from under it. The intruder lept into the air, seemingly floating on nothing, circling the new beast at high speed, looking for a chance to strike. “Nasty beasty, that wasn't very nice!” the intruder mockingly accused. “I'll have to punish you for your misdeeds!” The intruder finally found an opportune moment to strike, but just as it descended, it was yanked backwards by yet another new member to the fray. A large, serpentine head had struck from behind the intruder, snagging the intruder in its jaws. The intruder, swung its scythe around in a desperate arc, and the blade found its target true. The beast's head was severed from its neck, the jaws releasing the intruder from their grasp. “Hah, there are lots of nasty beasties lurking here, aren't there?” However, the intruder soon became puzzled when the beast, without its head, did not fall. Rather, out of the severed neck, were incomprehensible lumps of flesh growing at alarming rates. “What, these beasties do not die when I sever their heads?” After twenty long seconds of bizarre engrossment, the intruder suddenly became aware of what was growing from the severed neck. Furthermore, a scan of the surroundings showed that Fahad I was nowhere to be found. “I have no time to meddle with these beasties,” the intruder muttered to itself. The intruder picked up speed and retreated from the two ferocious beasts, frustrated that its kill had been foiled...
Meanwhile, in the home of Sigurd Fafnesbane....
“Yes, this should do quite well,” a wheezy voice mumbled to itself. “The body's still in remarkable condition, this should not be too difficult.” The bizarre character drug the corpse of the previously slain Sigurd Fafnesbane onto an intricate pentagram chiseled into the rock floor, and layed the pieces together in the places they were when Fafnesbane was alive. The character withdrew from its cloak several jars, filled with all sorts of strange powders, gels, and materials which could only be guessed at... The character layed the materials in precise order on the corpse, stopping here and there to alter the ingredients. The character finally finished, capped the jars, and shuffled backwards. It layed hands on points of the pentagram, and began a long, intricate chant. Roughly two hours later, a chaotic light streamed from the lines of the pentagram, engulfing the character and corpse. The chanting accelerated, becoming faster and faster until it became incomprehensible. The light then focused into a spiraling vortex, hovering over the corpse of Sigurd. About 15 minutes later, the spiral had apparently achieved a desirable size or strength, and the character pulled its hands from the ground, finally, and instead palmed the vortex, guiding it towards the corpse of Sigurd, downwards and downwards, slowly but surely. As the vortex made contact with the corpse, light suddenly beamed from the eye sockets of the body, and it began hovering, as though seeking out the rest of the vortex. The character continued guiding the vortex into the body, until the job was finally accomplished. The body then hovered completely upright, and set itself on its feet. The character, realizing its mission was accomplished, immediately picked up the rest of its supplies, and fled the cavern. Meanwhile, the body, devoid of the magic which had levitated it, remained standing upright. Suddenly, its head shook violently, as though shaking the cobwebs out. Then, amazingly, its eyes opened, and its mouth and nostrils inhaled. Sigurd was once more alive...
Killed: 10
Shlin28 (N1)
Warluster (N1)
Scottishranger (N1)
Sigurd Fafnesbane (N2)
Proletariat (N2)
Gibsonsg91921 (N2)
Sasaki Kojiro (N2)
Twilightblade (N3)
Tratorix (N3)
TiberiusoftheDrake (N3)
Attacked: 1
Fahad I (N3)
Lynched: 2
Beefy187 (D1)
TruePraetorian (D2)
WoG'd: 0
Suicide: 0
Alive: 27
Andres
BannanaBob
Caius
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
Drisos
EliteFerret
FactionHeir
Fahad I
GeneralHankerchief
Hannibalbarc
Ichigo
Joe Monks
Kommodus
Makanyane
Mouzafphaerre
Northnovas
Omanes Alexandropolites
pevergreen
Rythmic
Sarathos
Seamus Fermanagh
SigurdFafnesbane
TinCow
Warmaster Horus
woad&fangs
Yaropolk
Crazed Rabbit
03-27-2008, 00:47
Welcome back, Sigurd, to the land of the living. Though I suppose the Netherworld isn't exactly the land of the living.
Good news, for us loathsome demons - it seems we have a protector and a powerful healer, though I would speculate the ability to bring back the dead is limited.
CR
Sarathos
03-27-2008, 00:48
And studying for his two Harder exams.
I do Bio as well...
Twilightblade stumbled back towards his guard post, still hung over from a previous night which included an epic bout of drinking and demon orgies
Well thats was shorted lived...too many parties :no:
In other news, now we know there is a vampire around, a female vampire, the deadlist kind. Also a demon who devours books..interesting.
Also, how in Netherworld did Sigurd come back to life :huh:
seireikhaan
03-27-2008, 00:56
Oh, and I almost forgot: voting ends at 6:30 P.M./18:30 CST. For Euros, that's 23:30 GMT.
Edit: Sarathos, the flames 'devoured' the book. Its a figure of speech, but I changed the wording anyways. The killer didn't eat the book.
GeneralHankerchief
03-27-2008, 00:57
Wow, that's an awesome ability.
TruePraetorian
03-27-2008, 00:57
Ah...I return only to find that I have been lynched..:shame:
Well, my internet was completley down..we had a snow storm and a transformer broke..so sorry that I was so inactive.
Bad lynch choice..good luck town...
Crazed Rabbit
03-27-2008, 00:57
Sarathos - Vampire?
It seemed more like a werewolf creature.
CR
Also, how in Netherworld did Sigurd come back to life :huh:
And more importantly, is he still a townie? Is it a pure resurrection to his old role (assuming his old role was townie) or does the process change him into something else?
pevergreen
03-27-2008, 01:01
Wow a bringing back to life character...
Vote: Joe Monks
Obvious from his "vote" above...
Still suspiciouis of CA.
TruePraetorian
03-27-2008, 01:07
Quick votes to throw suspicion off of yourself?
FoS: Pever
GeneralHankerchief
03-27-2008, 01:24
Vote: Kommodus
He slightly edges out pevergreen, whom I suspect based on his Joe Monks vote (as established in Capo, Joe does have little time for Mafia) and a gut feeling.
LOL! :laugh4: Welcome back Sigurd. How was it out there?
Hehe, most funny and absurd mafia event ever. Cool though. When a detective dies he can actually ask here to be resurrected.. well, that gives us some space at least.. I think we were far off on TP..
:embarassed:
Pever? Voting Joe Monks just because of that one? scummy.. How are you so sure he wasn't sincere? I bet there's people around that can confirm that he's less active everywhere on the .org. (or the opposite, that will lead us to think he's indeed mafia) but let's not rush into another dumb lynch..
I was about to vote Ichigo or Fahad.. but now that Fahad was attacked it's likely that my theory was far off.. as usual :embarassed: Btw, how come he was only attacked and didn't get killed? This game is far from the standard mafia games. Perhaps a serial killer/whatever, and the possibility for kills to fail.. starting to sound like capo-ish mafia. :beam:
oh and TinCow, why are you so eager to know Sigurd's role? looking for people to kill, eh? :book: :inquisitive:
oh and TinCow, why are you so eager to know Sigurd's role? looking for people to kill, eh? :book: :inquisitive:
Oh, I don't know... maybe because figuring who has what role is the entire point of the game? :inquisitive:
BananaBob
03-27-2008, 01:32
Vote:Pevergreen
woad&fangs
03-27-2008, 01:41
My best guess at roles
Mafia-3
Club dude
Shapeshifter
Balrog
Serial killer-1
Grim Reaper(has attacked the people with 2nd most votes from previous day phase. He may be protown, might not be.)
Necromancer-1
Detectives-2
Doctors-2
I'm guessing that Fahad was protected by 2 doctors who figured out the Reaper's pattern. It appears that our doctors are Cerberus and the Hydra.
Not yet sure to vote for.
Edit: now I do
Vote: BananaBob
any reason for that vote of yours?
pevergreen
03-27-2008, 01:47
How have I become suspicious again?
EDIT: Unvote: Joe Monks
If he has been inactive elsewhere
I would like to point something out. On N2, Sigurd was killed by a "pure" and "holy" creature. Sigurd himself called him Michael, obviously referencing Archangel Michael. Last night there was no kill by an angelic figure. At the same time, Sigurd was resurrected. The plot of this game is based on a struggle for the control of the souls of the dead. I very seriously think that Sigurd's resurrection has put him on the 'good' (mafia) side of the game. Maybe his role hasn't changed, but perhaps he now counts in some manner as a 'saved' soul and will aid the mafia victory in some manner. We need to keep a serious eye on this resurrection business.
GeneralHankerchief
03-27-2008, 01:54
They resurrected him using a pentagram. Does that sound angelic to you?
pevergreen
03-27-2008, 01:57
So there is no actual case against me, just a bandwagon?
I actually have a pro-town role this game guys...
Crazed Rabbit
03-27-2008, 01:59
FoS: Tincow
You sure are pushing the 'Sigurd is likely bad' line hard.
CR
FoS me for this if you want, I don't care. I think this is important. GH does make a good point about the pentagram. That said, the angel figure is obviously mafia, since the town is daemonic. If the angel didn't resurrect Sigurd and didn't kill last night, what was he doing?
BananaBob
03-27-2008, 02:08
I would like to point something out. On N2, Sigurd was killed by a "pure" and "holy" creature. Sigurd himself called him Michael, obviously referencing Archangel Michael. Last night there was no kill by an angelic figure.
It seems that their was a failed attempt on Fahad I by a grim repear, or angel of death, but was saved/defended (?) I would be suspicious of everyone who voted for Fahad I .
Unvote:Pevergreen
Vote:Abstain
Meh
seireikhaan
03-27-2008, 02:34
~:handball:
My, I never realized just how fun hosting a game is. :laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
03-27-2008, 02:37
~:handball:
My, I never realized just how fun hosting a game is. :laugh4:
I've got to give you credit for thinking up that Necromancer role. That was awesome. :bow:
seireikhaan
03-27-2008, 02:41
I've got to give you credit for thinking up that Necromancer role. That was awesome. :bow:
Now who ever said I made a necromancer...?
GeneralHankerchief
03-27-2008, 02:46
Okay, the role thing that brings somebody back to life then.
Man, you do not know how to take a compliment. :laugh4:
Joe Monks
03-27-2008, 03:20
well I think its awesome that "my blatant WIFOM" got me two finger of suspicions and a vote. To be fair to pevergreen he did unvote me so its not really a vote.
I will say that all my post about my inactivity is true, but I am now up to date from where I posted to just right now.
I am gonna vote Tincow because oof him thinking a pentagram is obviously angelic.
Vote:Tincow
I didnt have time to check if sasaki is already dead or not but I think Ichigos location is a valuable hint in mafia games. He did manage to win in Capo so fair play.
I am townie in this game but I would much prefer to be angelic since I think the Demons are the true scum and so on.
But since I am townie I got to kill the angelic people.
Joe
FoS me for this if you want, I don't care. I think this is important. GH does make a good point about the pentagram. That said, the angel figure is obviously mafia, since the town is daemonic. If the angel didn't resurrect Sigurd and didn't kill last night, what was he doing?
Christians once more commonly used the pentagram to represent the five wounds of Jesus,
:grin:
gibsonsg91921
03-27-2008, 04:42
If ya read Da Vinci Code, pentagrams are actually pagan, not Satanic. lol
Killer 1:
Scottishranger - Killed N1, Killer had a multiple pronged whip and a 'blade'. Killer spoke before attacking.
Proletariat - Killed N2, as note the whip, black blade/sword and speaking before the murder.
Tiberius of the Drake - Killed N3, Killer had a whip and a black blade
Killer 2:
Warluster - Killed N1, Killer was 'brawny' and used a club.
Twilightblade - Killed N3, Killer was 'brutish' and used a club.
Killer 3:
Gibsonsg91921 - Killed N2, killer shape-shifted. The killer had many tails. Also killer had claws.
Tratorix - Killed N3, Killer shape-shifted, killer had claws, fangs and was 'animalish'
Killer 4:
Shlin28 - Killed N1, Killer used a distraction and ambush, killed him with many swords. Attacked from above suggesting wings
Sigurd Fafnesbane - Killed N2, killer used a sword. Also note the that the attacker surprised Sigurd by attacking from behind and the unusual wings/flight. Sigurd called him the Archangel(?). Note: resurrected, I'm guessing his role allows him to resurrect, since he said he would have revenge on his killer
Killer 5: - W&Fs makes a good point about him here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1872542&postcount=337)
Sasaki Kojiro - Killed N2, using a scythe, floating and quite eager to play 'cat and mouse' before killing. Was described as 'handsome'
Fahad I - Attacked N3, Attacker has a scythe and was 'handsome'
* Attacks are on person with second most votes last day phase - W&Fs
Protectors/Doctors:
N3 - Both protected Fahad I one appears to be a beast with many heads, and the other appears to be a reptile hydra thingy
pevergreen
03-27-2008, 05:45
Nice summary.
Out of those which ones are mafia...
FactionHeir
03-27-2008, 05:51
So mafia seem to get 3 kills (1,3,4). One of them missed a kill N1 (ulikely to be condition bound SK because one of the killed had voted, the other had not and they had no other similarities).
There are 2 SKs.
One (2) gets to kill every odd night
One (5) gets to kill every night but must kill the one with the second most vote. Note the game started with night, so there was no kill from him N1. Not sure how he acts if the second most vote is tied too.
Makanyane
03-27-2008, 08:50
Gah, not coming up with much from this at moment.
will say Vote:Abstain for now.
from last nights results we seem to have the alphabet mafia.... (at least it wasn't a good night to have name starting with T)
no-one else seemed to think what I thought was dodgy behaviour from Omanes meant anything, so I'll give up on that line of reasoning
If the theory about the kills on 2nd place lynchies is right, does Fahad's survival mean he's town or mafia? (eg could there be a Luca type role in this) Or could the protector just have guessed from Sasaki's attack that the 2nd place would be hit again, that seems a bit unlikely.... but, hmmm.
Re; Pentagrams, I thought the meaning depended on which way up the point pointed? Though having a ritual with one on the floor sounds more demonic, write up sounded more like someone else raising Sigurd, than him having the ability to resurrect himself.
pevergreen
03-27-2008, 09:13
Ive just had a thought, if the kill on the person with the second most votes is certain, can the "protectors" just block it each night, since its certain that they will be attacked? Or we could use it as a way of having the power of two lynches?
What about detective roles? Anyone have word if there are any?
FactionHeir
03-27-2008, 09:17
Thread post 1 states there are 2 doctors and 2 detectives.
Killer 1:
Scottishranger - Killed N1, Killer had a multiple pronged whip and a 'blade'. Killer spoke before attacking.
Proletariat - Killed N2, as note the whip, black blade/sword and speaking before the murder.
Tiberius of the Drake - Killed N3, Killer had a whip and a black blade
Killer 2:
Warluster - Killed N1, Killer was 'brawny' and used a club.
Twilightblade - Killed N3, Killer was 'brutish' and used a club.
Killer 3:
Gibsonsg91921 - Killed N2, killer shape-shifted. The killer had many tails. Also killer had claws.
Tratorix - Killed N3, Killer shape-shifted, killer had claws, fangs and was 'animalish'
Killer 4: - W&Fs makes a good point about him here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1872542&postcount=337)
Sasaki Kojiro - Killed N2, using a scythe, floating and quite eager to play 'cat and mouse' before killing. Was described as 'handsome'
Fahad I - Attacked N3, Attacker has a scythe and was 'handsome'
* Attacks are on person with second most votes last day phase - W&Fs
Protectors/Doctors:
N3 - Both protected Fahad I one appears to be a beast with many heads, and the other appears to be a reptile hydra thingy
Uncertain of Killer:
Shlin28 - Killed N1, Killer used a distraction and ambush, killed him with many swords.
Sigurd Fafnesbane - Killed N2, killer used a sword. Also note the that the attacker surprised Sigurd by attacking from behind and the unusual wings(?). Sigurd called him the Archangel(?). Note: resurrected, I'm guessing his role allows him to resurrect, since he said he would have revenge on his killer
Edit: W&Fs theory on the serial killer makes perfect sense, hence why there were only 3 kills on N1 and 4 on N2 and 3 murders and 1 attack on N3! ~D
I think Fahad was only protected by one person. A being that controls the beasts of the Netherworld. Cerberus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberos) and Lernaean Hydra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lernaean_Hydra) some sort of Hades role possible. I've noticed a lot of Greek mythology in this.
I have more thoughts on who each killer is, but I'm tired so I'll post that tomorrow.
FactionHeir
03-27-2008, 09:54
Eh what did you do to Rhythmic's post? Your quote looks very different.
It's nice to analyse and to try to get to know what is going on.
But, frankly, knowing if the mafia is arch angel Michael, Zeus, the Holy Trinity or Jesus Christ, won't get us any further.
Imho, we should focus more on suspicious behaviour.
Gah, not coming up with much from this at moment.
will say Vote:Abstain for now
from last nights results we seem to have the alphabet mafia.... (at least it wasn't a good night to have name starting with T)
no-one else seemed to think what I thought was dodgy behaviour from Omanes meant anything, so I'll give up on that line of reasoning
If the theory about the kills on 2nd place lynchies is right, does Fahad's survival mean he's town or mafia? (eg could there be a Luca type role in this) Or could the protector just have guessed from Sasaki's attack that the 2nd place would be hit again, that seems a bit unlikely.... but, hmmm.
Re; Pentagrams, I thought the meaning depended on which way up the point pointed? Though having a ritual with one on the floor sounds more demonic, write up sounded more like someone else raising Sigurd, than him having the ability to resurrect himself.
So, you won't vote Omanes because nobody seems to think he's suspicious? What exactly was your case against him? Do you still think he's suspicious? If not, then what did Omanes do to take away your suspicion? Or are there players who are more suspicious then Omanes at the moment?
What exactly was the point of those last two paragraphs in your post? Thinking out loud?
Well now we know that 1 Killer attacks the person with the second most votes we can work it to our advantage or the Doctor can protect them, depending on who the person with the second most votes is.
I've re-thought my position on Omanes, mainly due to how in Capo he seemed pretty innocent until his death. But, also since Makayane also feels that Omanesis suspicious, I'm not going crazy.
Ichigo's vote on TP, a player who was AFK, puts him in the spotlight. Something I'm not willing to let slip right now.
Not to mention that TinCow has been acting strange the last couple pages.
Not to mention that TinCow has been acting strange the last couple pages.
Something in particular?
Sarathos
03-27-2008, 11:27
Edit: Sarathos, the flames 'devoured' the book. Its a figure of speech, but I changed the wording anyways. The killer didn't eat the book.
Oh, ok.
Vampire? It seemed more like a werewolf creature.
Its kinda hard to distinguish. For starters its a female, now I not being sexist here but how many female Werewolves do you know? And it bit Tratorix in the neck...I know Werewolves do that, but its sounds more vampiric.
My best guess at roles: Mafia-3 = Club dudeI not sure if that is an actually character or just Twilight getting WOGed, or maybe not.
But on that note, Vote:pevergreen
Kill off everyone you know personally
You said it yourself...
I actually have a pro-town role this game guys...
Prove it.
pevergreen
03-27-2008, 11:49
Id like proof I said kill off everyone I know personally.
Are you dead?
I'd rather stay alive, I have no reason to reveal.
FactionHeir
03-27-2008, 11:57
Well if its female, can we assume that since Prole is dead, we need to lynch Makanyane? :grin2:
Vote: Kommodus
From what I understand, there's more than enough posts for Holmes to start producing results by this point. However, Kommodus hasn't been talking. So, start talking. :whip:
Ive just had a thought, if the kill on the person with the second most votes is certain, can the "protectors" just block it each night, since its certain that they will be attacked? Or we could use it as a way of having the power of two lynches?
If this is indeed true (we have only 2 successive results, it might all be coincedence still), indeed, doctors know who to protect,.. but it's not really logic, why would we want someone that we almost voted off to survive?
we just have a sort of double lynch. :book: :2thumbsup:
and, Vote: TinCow
You really seem to be specifically looking for reasons to post and vote. So that you're active and seem to be helping town. However, just voting kommodus because he hasn't come up with a book on holmes results yet? scum, scum, scum..
btw, Rythmic, keep those summary's coming! :book: :yes:
Something in particular?
Mostly the fact he claimed the resurrection of Sigurd was angelic. When the Pentagram and the fact Sigurd said he'd be back for revenge point towards a pro-town/hell role.
Edit: I'm really interested on what Sigurd has to say. Especially his FoS on Drisos.
Edit2: I just had a funny thought, what if the person with the second most votes was the killer who attacks those with the second most votes. :laugh4:
Ah the smell of fresh brimstone and the wailing sound of the damned souls in the morning bring a smile to my face. I live yet again.
Now concerning the killers… I am waiting on the results of night 4 before I will make a thorough analysis.
But I would say that we have a shape shifter that kills since some players seems to be confused about this.
On night 2 it attacked Gibson impersonating Kamikhaan, Gibson witnessed it shape shift to something with several tails.
On night 3 Tratorix was attacked by the shape shifter impersonating a Demoness, Tratorix witnessed it shape shift to something animal like with fangs.
The Balrog like killer with flaming orifices black sword and whip kills every night.
But back to Joe Monks… would any believe me if I had done the same stunt? I find it incredible that someone would just jump in and make a vote without having scanned a few of the previous posts. It is scummy and I will act on it.
Vote: Joe Monks
Kommodus
03-27-2008, 13:00
Vote: Kommodus
From what I understand, there's more than enough posts for Holmes to start producing results by this point. However, Kommodus hasn't been talking. So, start talking. :whip:
Frankly, TC, this is scummy. I'm a fairly easy lynch target at the moment, simply because I haven't said much and it's fairly well-known that I tend to lurk as mafia. You appear to be going for the easy lynch. :inquisitive:
Vote: TinCow
I'm not yet ready to discuss results from Holmes. Sorry if this disappoints y'all, but at the moment I don't have anything concrete enough, and I'm not going to post results just to placate the crowd.
Northnovas
03-27-2008, 13:09
We are forgetting to tally. Start of this phase:
Joe Monks 1 (Sigurd Fafnesbane,)
Kommodus 2 (GH, TinCow)
pevergreen 1 (Sarathos)
BananaBob 1 (W&F)
Tincow 3 ( Joe Monks, Driscos, Kommodus)
Abstain: BananaBob, Makanyane
Hopefully this correct. Still undecided with my vote.
Mostly the fact he claimed the resurrection of Sigurd was angelic. When the Pentagram and the fact Sigurd said he'd be back for revenge point towards a pro-town/hell role.
Edit: I'm really interested on what Sigurd has to say. Especially his FoS on Drisos.
Edit2: I just had a funny thought, what if the person with the second most votes was the killer who attacks those with the second most votes. :laugh4:
Right...
Just to quell some of the thoughts going on here.
I named my killer an archangel because of the way I was killed. I promised revenge because I would be getting in to the game and find my killer and make people vote for him/her. As an innocent dead I can be more dangerous than left alive in the game, if players will listen to me that is. I have no special role and I have no esoteric knowledge as to who my killers were.
My FoS on Drisos was just a shot in the dark like his shot in the dark in Capo II. You never know, I could be as lucky as he was.
But you guys are right.. Tincow seemed to be a little worried that I came back to life and hence a FoS is justified.
As to Kommodus, he had very little time to play Capo II and used his Holmes only twice. I didn't ask him to use it in the service of Corleone and he was mostly absent after his demise. We should give him some more time.
vote:abstain
I don't think anyone looks particularly suspicious at the moment.
My FoS on Drisos was just a shot in the dark like his shot in the dark in Capo II. You never know, I could be as lucky as he was.
Haha, of course. ~D
I don't believe Joe Monks is the best target. He does have the convinient excuse of being short on time, but I don't think I can vote him. Especially since the actions of TinCow don't seem to add up. Also worth noting that I can't see Joe Monks being a role related to TinCow's, Mafia or otherwise, since he was the first to pick up on TinCow's jab a Sigurd. I'm not willing to rule out him having a secret role though.
Vote: TinCow
Tally as of #374:
Joe Monks - 1 (Sigurd Fafnesbane,)
Kommodus - 2 (GH, TinCow)
pevergreen - 1 (Sarathos)
BananaBob - 1 (W&F)
Tincow - 4 ( Joe Monks, Drisos, Kommodus, Rythmic)
Abstain: BananaBob, Makanyane, Elite Ferret
Edit: Updating tally.
Well now we know that 1 Killer attacks the person with the second most votes we can work it to our advantage or the Doctor can protect them, depending on who the person with the second most votes is.
This seems rather counter productive, why would we save someone we had been trying to lynch? I suppose it would mean there was a chance the doctor could kill the attacker while protecting the second lynchee. But what about this turn, there are two people with the second most votes. And besides it could all be a big coincidence and someone here is just laughing at us for thinking this.
You're going to lynch me because I'm trying to analyze the situation? People keep telling me that posting gets you noticed and getting noticed gets you lynched, but I don't see the point in staying quiet when some things need to be said. For the record, as I stated, my vote on Kommodus was simply to get a response from him, not to kill him. Since that is now accomplished, I will remove it.
Unvote: Kommodus
Vote: Abstain
If you lynch me, you will be doing the town a disservice. I have a pro-town role and it has been known to (and proved to) another townie for a while now. If you are looking for an explanation for my 'strange' behavior, perhaps consider the fact that I might have more information on the kind of special abilities people might have in this game than some of the rest of you. I am applying the knowledge I have of my own role to what I see happening at night.
Can that townie come forward and vouch for you?
I'll leave that up to him, since it exposes him to the mafia as well.
Just had a brainwave and I think I know who that townie is, but I'm not going to reveal them, if they want to reveal they can themselves. Boy oh boy, so confusing, with so many WIFOMs.
I hesitantly trust Sigurd, so I'm going to Unvote: TinCow, and Vote: Joe Monks.
If you lynch me, you will be doing the town a disservice. I have a pro-town role and it has been known to (and proved to) another townie for a while now. If you are looking for an explanation for my 'strange' behavior, perhaps consider the fact that I might have more information on the kind of special abilities people might have in this game than some of the rest of you. I am applying the knowledge I have of my own role to what I see happening at night.
Well, as far as I know, we have 2 detectives and 1 or 2 doctors.
And maybe a pro-town Necromancer, unless, this necromancer role is the doctor. After all, we are in hell, so it wouldn't be impossible if the doctor role works different then in regular mafia, i.e. by having the ability to resurrect a murdered townie, maybe with some sort of succes chance.
What's it going to be?
You could at least name the townie who is supposed to be able to vouch for you.
I'll leave that up to him, since it exposes him to the mafia as well.
That's not a satisfying answer.
You claim a role, without giving details. You claim that a townie can confirm your innocence, but refuse to name said townie. If he's just a townie and you have a pro-town power role, then the identity of that townie is not at all important.
I don't see a valid reason to withold the identity of an innocent yet unimportant townie.
Vote : TinCow
pevergreen
03-27-2008, 13:51
Vote: TinCow
Could be a last hope defence, could not be. Lets find out.
I don't see a valid reason to withold the identity of an innocent yet unimportant townie.
You've answered your own question.
pevergreen
03-27-2008, 13:55
Unimportant seems to be the key word.
If they are a normal townie, then they will die tonight, same as any normal townie would.
Less chance of a pro-town being killed then.
And if there are two doctors, one can protect you.
I would like to thank the Mafia for stepping forward.
Unvote: Joe Monks Vote: Andres
Please those townies who are left, get your votes on Andres, I'd like to see a townie victory this time.
Edit: FoS pevergreen
You've answered your own question.
Nonsense. Why would you risk an important pro-town role (yours) by withholding the identity of a townie?
Or are you claiming to have a power role and that you accidentally stumbled upon another pro-town power role who can confirm your innocence?
You have to understand that it is difficult to believe such a story. I think you are lying.
I would like to thank the Mafia for stepping forward.
Unvote: Joe Monks Vote: Andres
Please those townies who are left, get your votes on either Andres or pevergreen, I'd like to see a townie victory this time.
~:confused:
Really...
And, eh, what exactly is it that leads you to this sudden change of heart?
EDIT: Interesting to see that you edited your post. Why exactly is it that we suddenly don't have to vote for pevergreen anymore?
pevergreen
03-27-2008, 14:02
I would like to thank the Mafia for stepping forward.
Unvote: Joe Monks Vote: Andres
Please those townies who are left, get your votes on Andres, I'd like to see a townie victory this time.
Edit: FoS pevergreen
How is trying to make TinCow prove he is innocent making me mafia?
EDIT: No, really how am I mafia?
~:confused:
Really...
And, eh, what exactly is it that leads you to this sudden change of heart?
The way you expertly manipulated the town in Capo for a start, and secondly I know who the townie TinCow mentioned is.
In anycase, voting either way I'll have been 'manipulated', so it doesn't really matter.
(OOC: I'm glad I've got more involved than I did in Capo, makes the game much more fun :2thumbsup:)
Edit:
EDIT: No, really how am I mafia?
I never said that, I just said you're under suspicion.
I have a pro-town role and it has been known to (and proved to) another townie for a while now.
By those words you made yourself a prime candidate for murder. The God sent sons of she-dogs will think as I do that you are not merely a simple townie.
You said A which will surely kill you... why not say B that will help the town?
pevergreen
03-27-2008, 14:06
Care to share who the other townie is?
How do you know its not his mafia buddy backing him up?
How do we know you are not mafia?
Bah, sorry for any abuse that ive said/will say tonight. Big argument in the relationship.
So TC are you a detective? If the innocent townie comes forward he will be safe, the doctors (hydra and crazy dog thingy) will see to that.
Makanyane
03-27-2008, 14:10
aargh I keep trying to reply to this - but when I look at thread its moved on to completely different subject / targets. I'll give up on recent events and say what I was going to anyway.
What I wanted to say was I didn't think the FoS on Joe Monks was a good one.
He was too careless to have been mafia - unless that was a very clever WIFOM - I think from what I remember of his play style in Capo RL problems are more likely than that though.
In answer to Andres no I still don't trust Omanes, his bad vote reason on Hannibal looked much more suspicious than JM and he edited his defence in a guilty looking manner. I just gave up trying to vote on him again - say much more about it because no one listened to me the first time, and I assume most of you lot are better at this than me...... (eg. I was probably wrong if no one else saw what I thought I saw)
FactionHeir
03-27-2008, 14:15
I'm interested in knowing what role TC has at least if he does not reveal who the townie is. That way he does not compromise that townie.
Either TinCow is mafia, and this is last a last action to save himself, or he is really pro town and we're doing mafia a favour by lynching him.
If he's pro town, we'll get evidence for that next night phase. We must not let him be no1 or no2 on the 'number of votes' list. If then he is still attacked, he's pro town and we've at least not wasted our lynch at him. Or even better, a doctor might keep him alive.
If he's mafia.. nothing'll happen to him next night, I guess. So we lynch him next day-phase.
Even if the chance is slim that he's pro-town, I say, we don't take chances. Let's lynch another suspicious one..
Unvote: TinCow
Vote: Joe Monks
Since Sigurd is most likely innocent and is usually pretty good with gut feelings, I'll bandwagon on Joe Monks. he's closest to TinCow in the tally, I think.. (though I owned in capo2.. lol :laugh4: )
Now, what's the tally? :dizzy2:
I have a pro-town role and it has been known to (and proved to) another townie for a while now
Claiming a role without giving details, followed by claiming that a confirmed innocent townie (your own words!) can vouch for you, yet refusing to name said townie, all of the sudden alluding that said townie is not just a townie...
I think you're guilty.
Care to share who the other townie is?
They can reveal themselves.
How do you know its not his mafia buddy backing him up?
A good question, but its much the same that I can't be 100% certain of anything. Last game I was hood-winked by the smooth talking of Sasaki, CA and Andres. Maybe this time I'd rather be hoodwinked by TinCow. :laugh4:
How do we know you are not mafia?
Unfortunately you won't know until after the game, and this being a Mafia game I can't prove my innocence. All I can do is do my best to help the town, which admittedly isn't very helpful at times (sorry guys/gals :embarassed:). Unless a detective wants to investigate me, (you can if you want, it'll be a bit of a waste, but do it if you feel its necessary).
Bah, sorry for any abuse that ive said/will say tonight. Big argument in the relationship.
No worries. It's all a game. ~D
I still don't trust Omanes, his bad vote reason on Hannibal looked much more suspicious than JM and he edited his defence in a guilty looking manner. I just gave up trying to vote on him again - say much more about it because no one listened to me the first time, and I assume most of you lot are better at this than me...... (eg. I was probably wrong if no one else saw what I thought I saw)
Those were my thoughts exactly before this page happened. :gah2:
Now, what's the tally?
I have no idea! :laugh4:
Unvote: Andres Vote: Abstain
I need to contemplate, because I'm so confused now.
townie is not just a townie
Well to be honest he is more than just a townie.
but why would TC privately reveal his pro-town role to an assumed townie. It is much more likely a mafia buddy.
Either TinCow is mafia, and this is last a last action to save himself, or he is really pro town and we're doing mafia a favour by lynching him.
His story doesn't sound right. He's clearly making things up to save his skin. Not very pro-town.
If he's pro town, we'll get evidence for that next night phase. We must not let him be no1 or no2 on the 'number of votes' list. If then he is still attacked, he's pro town and we've at least not wasted our lynch at him.
You really think the mafia would attack a very scummy looking detective?
Or even better, a doctor might keep him alive.
Indeed. So he has nothing to fear, which makes it even more odd that he doesn't reveal his role and results of his night actions.
Even if the chance is slim that he's pro-town, I say, we don't take chances. Let's lynch another suspicious one..
Unvote: TinCow
Vote: Joe Monks
Since Sigurd is most likely innocent and is usually pretty good with gut feelings, I'll bandwagon on Joe Monks. he's closest to TinCow in the tally, I think.. (though I owned in capo2.. lol :laugh4: )
Now, what's the tally? :dizzy2:
What exactly is it that makes Joe Monks look more suspicious then TinCow?
Claiming a role without giving details, followed by claiming that a confirmed innocent townie (your own words!) can vouch for you, yet refusing to name said townie, all of the sudden alluding that said townie is not just a townie...
I said "another townie", speaking about him in addition to myself. I often refer to all pro-town players as "townies" simply because I haven't seen a suitable substitute term for the opposite of "mafioso." Look up the definition of "another" if you don't believe me. The townie who knows about me has a role of their own and I simply refuse to expose them to the mafia. Rythmic knows the person who can vouch for me, because that person contacted Rythmic days ago and mentioned my existence but without revealing my identity. He put 2 and 2 together a little while ago, which is why he changed his vote.
I see no reason to reveal the identity of this other person or my own role. There is no way that information can help the town at this point. All it can do is save my own skin, and I'm not going to risk further damage to the town just to save myself.
Makanyane
03-27-2008, 14:30
trying to get a grip on the recent stuff...
much as I'd like to call Andres scum (that avatar just lends itself too well to the role) I think he's on the right lines with comments on TinCow
as TC has gone as far as to say he has a role - hence making himself target anyway (if he's town) he should say what it is
also revealling the identity of a confirmed normal townie isn't likely to help mafia - I assume if that mafia know each other (?) then they must know by default that others are either plain townie or special role....
I said "another townie", speaking about him in addition to myself. I often refer to all pro-town players as "townies" simply because I haven't seen a suitable substitute term for the opposite of "mafioso." Look up the definition of "another" if you don't believe me. The townie who knows about me has a role of their own and I simply refuse to expose them to the mafia. Rythmic knows the person who can vouch for me, because that person contacted Rythmic days ago and mentioned my existence but without revealing my identity. He put 2 and 2 together a little while ago, which is why he changed his vote.
I see no reason to reveal the identity of this other person or my own role. There is no way that information can help the town at this point. All it can do is save my own skin, and I'm not going to risk further damage to the town just to save myself.
So, you have a pro-town role and you know somebody who has another pro-town role.
The rules mention only detective and doctor. So one of you has to be a detective. This means you have at least one investigation result on somebody else, that is not you nor the other pro-town role. Maybe that person can vouch for you?
but why would TC privately reveal his pro-town role to an assumed townie. It is much more likely a mafia buddy.
Because the other person contacted me first and dropped a hint about their own role. I asked them about it later and they confirmed that they had a special pro-town role. I then revealed my own role because I wanted some advice on what I should do. We have conferred regularly since then. I have proved my ability to do what I say I can do to that person. They in turn have not outed me nor have I been targeted by the mafia, so the odds are that person is telling the truth about their role and they are not mafia either.
The rules mention only detective and doctor. So one of you has to be a detective. This means you have at least one investigation result on somebody else, that is not you nor the other pro-town role. Maybe that person can vouch for you?
It doesn't mean that at all. As I stated above, it was through simple contacts and touchy-feeling language in PMs, followed by growing trust on both sides. Pure dumb luck, basically.
pevergreen
03-27-2008, 14:35
Unvote: TinCow, Vote: Abstain
I now believe TinCow is more a townie than mafia.
also revealling the identity of a confirmed normal townie isn't likely to help mafia - I assume if that mafia know each other (?) then they must know by default that others are either plain townie or special role....
As I already said, he's more than just a townie. And second, IIRC you're right that the Mafia know who each other are and can deduce others are pro-town, (I think, long time since I played this style of game, GH's original to be honest :beam:)
Been doing my best to create a correct tally.. I hope this one is fully correct. :juggle2:
TC: 4 (Joe M, Kommodus, Andres, Pever)
Joe M: 2 (Sigurd, Drisos)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
BananaB: 1 (W&F)
Couple of abstains.. but they don't matter anyway..
And Andres, I do suspect TinCow over Joe Monks. Yet, I thought with the logic of events I tried to describe it would be best to let TC alive for one more night..
You really think the mafia would attack a very scummy looking detective?
I wouldn't know. Aren't detectives so dangerous for mafia that they will try to kill 'em whatever the scenario? :embarassed:
Ok, I'm in doubt now.. stick to my theory of letting TC alive or vote him off.. hmm.. :embarassed: :book: :dizzy2:
Since Sigurd is most likely innocent and is usually pretty good with gut feelings, I'll bandwagon on Joe Monks. he's closest to TinCow in the tally, I think.. (though I owned in capo2.. lol :laugh4: )
Don't count entiredly on my gut... it is not that great :beam:.
However, I might be a little rusty since it has been a while since my last game (pre Capo II). There have been a few misplaced votes in this game, but in the old days we caught mafia this way. :yes: Mafia that have sent in orders and wait the usual required time and then place a vote without checking that the voting period has started.
But what Joe Monks did was in my eyes just plain crazy... The question is, would a mafioso be that cunning to establish a confused, I don't really know what's going on and I did not kill Sasaki last night, alibi?
We all thought initially, what a n00b... but it would be a good feint for a player like Joe Monks. It would never have worked if it had been Sasaki that made it.
FactionHeir
03-27-2008, 14:44
I have proved my ability to do what I say I can do to that person. They in turn have not outed me nor have I been targeted by the mafia, so the odds are that person is telling the truth about their role and they are not mafia either.
So what have you proved to them and how? I don't recall anything in the write up save for the ressurection of Sigurd, but that wasn't days ago.
Makanyane
03-27-2008, 14:46
Because the other person contacted me first and dropped a hint about their own role. I asked them about it later and they confirmed that they had a special pro-town role. I then revealed my own role because I wanted some advice on what I should do. We have conferred regularly since then. I have proved my ability to do what I say I can do to that person. They in turn have not outed me nor have I been targeted by the mafia, so the odds are that person is telling the truth about their role and they are not mafia either.
It doesn't mean that at all. As I stated above, it was through simple contacts and touchy-feeling language in PMs, followed by growing trust on both sides. Pure dumb luck, basically.
Seems like quite a lot of dumb luck to be believable - when I thought it was just you having role and knowing normal townie I believed it more. Two special roles finding and believing each other by chance is pushing credibility a bit. Have you or he been dropping hints in thread or anything? (I'd go look but have to go back to work now....)
pever unvoted TinCow and voted abstain.
Correct tally (I hope, I'm not messing with the tally on purpose in this game):
TC: 3 (Joe M, Kommodus, Andres)
Joe M: 2 (Sigurd, Drisos)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
BananaB: 1 (W&F)
FactionHeir
03-27-2008, 14:51
Correct tally (I hope, I'm not messing with the tally on purpose in this game)
Who's Jesus, is he playing? :tongue2:
Seems like quite a lot of dumb luck to be believable - when I thought it was just you having role and knowing normal townie I believed it more. Two special roles finding and believing each other by chance is pushing credibility a bit. Have you or he been dropping hints in thread or anything? (I'd go look but have to go back to work now....)
I know that claiming dumb luck isn't exactly the best grounds for a defense, but as far as I can tell, it's the truth. If I lie about it, that lie will come back to bite me. If the other person had a reason to contact me in the first place and drop the initial hint that they did, I don't know about it. All I know is that they contacted me, dropped a hint, I picked up on the hint, and we've gone from there.
Also, I am not going to reveal how I proved it to the other person, because that would reveal at least part of my role. Despite all the outcry about it, I do not see a reason to do so. If you're going to lynch me for refusing to disclose the details of my role, then just lynch me and get it over with. I'm not going to do it no matter how many times you ask.
unvote: Abstain
vote:Joe M
I believe TC to be innocent
edit: tally:
TC: 3 (Joe M, Kommodus, Andres)
Joe M: 3 (Sigurd, Drisos, EF)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
BananaB: 1 (W&F)
I guess I'm going to go by the word of Sigurd, if he's wrong then well, he's wrong.
Unvote: Abstain Vote: Joe Monks
Edit: I really should refresh the thread more often.
FactionHeir
03-27-2008, 14:56
I think we can let TC live for now.
vote: Bananabob
Has been acting rather oddly and we need someone other than TC in spot 2.
Why not include me in this townie behind scene group before I am killed again by the insane glowing being with a
sword?
That goes to my necromancer as well...
I believe there is sufficient evidence for my innocent status.
- The tormenting of damned souls.
- The attack by an angelic being.
- My defence wielding a pitchfork.
- The dark ritual that led to my resurrection.
:stupido:
So, TinCow is innocent because:
- he claims some pro-town role and refuses to reveal said role or the results of his night actions;
- he claims that a townie can vouch for him, when people ask for the identity of this townie or said townie to come forward and confirm TC's story, the townie all of the sudden transforms into a pro-town role whose identity has to remain secret;
- TC discovered this other pro-town role by dumb luck!
- neither TC nor this other pro-town role have investigated an innocent simple townie who they can contact and who on his turn will be able to confirm TC's innocence.
:stupido2: ~:confused: :wall: ~:confused: :bigcry:
Unvot... Nope, I stick to my vote.
woad&fangs
03-27-2008, 15:09
Unvote: BananaBob; Vote: Tincow
At least give us the name of your role.
TC: 4 (Joe M, Kommodus, Andres, Woad)
Joe M: 4 (Sigurd, Drisos, EF, Rythmic)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
BananaB: 1 (factionheir)
Omanes Alexandrapolites
03-27-2008, 15:09
I would like to thank the Mafia for stepping forward.
Unvote: Joe Monks Vote: Andres
Please those townies who are left, get your votes on Andres, I'd like to see a townie victory this time.Odd - did you specify a reason that I've missed Rythmic? I do understand that you've withdrawn your vote, why you've done this could be scrutinised, but I don't understand why you voted for him in the first place. Andres is acting in his normal inquisitorial style - I haven't noticed anything too different about his behaviour.
Until a response is provided:
Vote: Rythmic
I still don't like Hannibalbarca and do consider him my second lynch choice. He hasn't actually said anything relating to my suspicions against him. He also seems to have entered a phase of lurking for some reason.
GH, well, I'm willing to withdraw what I said relating to him earlier on. He seems to be acting innocent enough, for him, at the moment.
In answer to Andres no I still don't trust Omanes, his bad vote reason on Hannibal looked much more suspicious than JM and he edited his defence in a guilty looking manner.I usually edit almost everything I post. Sometimes it needs fine tuning, other times I add information and remove incorrect items. In that case, I think, although don't completely remember, fine tuning spelling/grammer and adding a bit more onto what I had to say.
Odd - did you specify a reason that I've missed Rythmic? I do understand that you've withdrawn your vote, why you've done this could be scrutinised, but I don't understand why you voted for him in the first place. Andres is acting in his normal inquisitorial style - I haven't noticed anything too different about his behaviour.
I originally voted him because he was voting someone I believe to be pro-town. Plus he's a smooth talker, able to work an angle.
Northnovas
03-27-2008, 15:26
I think we can let TC live for now.
vote: Bananabob
Has been acting rather oddly and we need someone other than TC in spot 2.
I was going on that logic for a seconder but see it is a tie right now and I believe TC there is no rush.
Tally from #418
TC: 4 (Joe M, Kommodus, Andres, Woad)
Joe M: 4 (Sigurd, Drisos, EF, Rythmic)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
BananaB: 2 (factionheir, NN)
Rythmic: 1 (Omanes)
edit: tally
Gah! :dizzy2: Enough.
TinCow, post your night actions. Otherwise I'll switch my vote back to you.
This all just doesn't make sense. Revealing, but no details? That makes no sense. Mafia would know your identity anyway, best to give as much info to town as possible. And this claim about some townie that knows you.. then we say 'then why doesn't he come forward',and you change your claim into the townie having a special role as well..
it's just too hard to believe all this. :wall:
pevergreen
03-27-2008, 15:42
Vote: Joe Monks
Im about to go to bed, I'd rather not lynch someone i know to be pro town.
TC: 4 (Joe M, Kommodus, Andres, Woad)
Joe M: 5 (pevergreen, Sigurd, Drisos, EF, Rythmic)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
BananaB: 2 (factionheir, NN)
Rythmic: 1 (Omanes)
'know'? :inquisitive: what exactly are you claiming here?
btw, don't you have to unvote your previous vote first?
Gah! :dizzy2: Enough.
TinCow, post your night actions. Otherwise I'll switch my vote back to you.
This all just doesn't make sense. Revealing, but no details? That makes no sense. Mafia would know your identity anyway, best to give as much info to town as possible. And this claim about some townie that knows you.. then we say 'then why doesn't he come forward',and you change your claim into the townie having a special role as well..
it's just too hard to believe all this. :wall:
Seamus included the weird and wonderful roles of Crusaders in Capo, so is it that much of a stretch to think kami would add a couple roles in a Mafia game set in the depths of hell?
Second, he made no such claim, townie was used in much the same fashion as Mafioso would be used in Capo - to represent Lucas, Mades and Dons etc, ie all aspects of the anti-town.
Hannibalbarc
03-27-2008, 15:44
Odd - did you specify a reason that I've missed Rythmic? I do understand that you've withdrawn your vote, why you've done this could be scrutinised, but I don't understand why you voted for him in the first place. Andres is acting in his normal inquisitorial style - I haven't noticed anything too different about his behaviour.
Until a response is provided:
Vote: Rythmic
I still don't like Hannibalbarca and do consider him my second lynch choice. He hasn't actually said anything relating to my suspicions against him. He also seems to have entered a phase of lurking for some reason.
GH, well, I'm willing to withdraw what I said relating to him earlier on. He seems to be acting innocent enough, for him, at the moment.I usually edit almost everything I post. Sometimes it needs fine tuning, other times I add information and remove incorrect items. In that case, I think, although don't completely remember, fine tuning spelling/grammer and adding a bit more onto what I had to say.
Actually go look back a few pages.
And I wasn't lurking, I was sleeping, I live in a different time zone then most of you, because you all seem to have been busy in the night.
I don't see a valid reason to withold the identity of an innocent yet unimportant townie.
Hey, we are all important, scumy:whip:
I think Andres could be mafia, but I don't have to much on him yet, so for now I'll vote abstain, there seems to be a lot of confusion, just what the mafia wants, we had better catch those scums soon or it will be the end our town.
I guess I'm going to go by the word of Sigurd, if he's wrong then well, he's wrong.
Unvote: Abstain Vote: Joe Monks
Just because Sigurd seems innocent(which I think he is), doesn't mean we take him at his word, we did that when Prol died, and I don't think we made the best of choices.
Btw, when do we find out if all those that were murdered are innocent?
Gah! :dizzy2: Enough.
TinCow, post your night actions. Otherwise I'll switch my vote back to you.
This all just doesn't make sense. Revealing, but no details? That makes no sense. Mafia would know your identity anyway, best to give as much info to town as possible. And this claim about some townie that knows you.. then we say 'then why doesn't he come forward',and you change your claim into the townie having a special role as well..
it's just too hard to believe all this. :wall:
I've disclosed absolutely everything to a few select people who have contacted me since this morning's events began. My identity and night actions are now known to several people. There is no reason to give the information to the general public. If I am lying, those people will be able to nail me very easily.
Hannibalbarc
03-27-2008, 15:48
What happened to Seamus? He seams to be...Lurking.
I've disclosed absolutely everything to a few select people who have contacted me since this morning's events began. My identity and night actions are now known to several people.
And what reason do we have to actually believe this? :dizzy2:
There is no reason to give the information to the general public.
not? how about letting all pro-town people know what your actions/results and future possibilities are? I'm willing to believe that there are special roles,(more special then detectives/doctors) but I can't think of any reason you shouldn't give info to the public. If you're really innocent(which I still don't believe) the mafia know you're important pro-town already anyway. What reason could there be not to give more info? :dizzy2:
I'm still in doubt.. same situation as in Capo with the lynching of CR, it's either powerful-pro-town or mafia.
ok, ok.. benefit of the doubt, etc.. I won't take the chance of voting pro-town then. I'll leave my vote on Joe Monks..
Edit: btw tally..
TC: 4 (Joe M, Kommodus, Andres, Woad)
Joe M: 4 (Sigurd, Drisos, EF, Rythmic)
BananaB: 2 (factionheir, NN)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
Rythmic: 1 (Omanes)
since I don't think pever's vote will be counted.
I've disclosed absolutely everything to a few select people who have contacted me since this morning's events began. My identity and night actions are now known to several people. There is no reason to give the information to the general public. If I am lying, those people will be able to nail me very easily.
At least one of them should be able to vouch for you :inquisitive:
And what reason do we have to actually believe this? :dizzy2:
not? how about letting all pro-town people know what your actions/results and future possibilities are? I'm willing to believe that there are special roles,(more special then detectives/doctors) but I can't think of any reason you shouldn't give info to the public. If you're really innocent(which I still don't believe) the mafia know you're important pro-town already anyway. What reason could there be not to give more info? :dizzy2:
he can't give info to the general public because that includes townies and mafioso. And how can he send it by PM if he doesn't know you are pro-town, you have not proved it, you could be in the mafia and are just making sure he is the right target.
GeneralHankerchief
03-27-2008, 16:55
Wow, this is what I get for waking up really late. :dizzy2:
TinCow is fighting pretty hard to not get lynched, which has in the past been identified as mafia behavior and contrasts sharply with his "que sera sera" approach from Capo II. However, if he is Power town, as he suggests, then there's another reason for that.
I still think we're letting Kommodus off the hook too easily.
BananaBob
03-27-2008, 16:57
Unvote:Abstain Vote:Joe M
Mouzafphaerre
03-27-2008, 17:02
.
OOC:
{
how many female Werewolves do you know?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0210070/ :2thumbsup:
}
Now, we have no evidence as to whether it's a female or disguised as a female.
Too much reading for a simple demon trying to make a peaceful living. :dizzy2:
Vote: Abstain
.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-27-2008, 17:14
Seamus included the weird and wonderful roles of Crusaders in Capo....
Cripes, I hope you're all smart enough not to trust that Seamus *******, poor fellow is probably not keeping up with his Lithium doses.
Analysis Points
TinCow:
THIS is a defense? Think about it folks. This is the fellow who successfully played double agent for days with GH and Andres on the other end. THIS is the best he could come up with? It strikes me as being so shoddy that it must be true -- my Rwandan witch-doctor had more substance. If TinC is using this thinly presented reed as a way to mask his mafo-status, he would have to have mega-big brass ones indeed. I'll give him the benefit of doubt.
Joe:
Not twigging my radar at all. I truly thought his post a mistake. Probably gets my vote in order to keep TinCow off the chopping block.
Andres:
Are you channeling a pitbull? You're hammering TinCow long after you didn't need to anymore. :inquisitive:
Mak':
You're early posts are just a little "dumb blond" for a lass who is manifestly NOT a dumb-bunny. Your more recent posts read almost as though you're playing good cop to Andres' bad cop. :inquisitive:
Sigurd:
You're return from the dead is both heartening and disquieting. There is more to it than I think we -- or quite possibly even you -- know.
my VOTE: Joe Monks
Voting Analysis:
People voting for people who were subsequently murdered/attacked:
1. Caius, Rabbit, Fahad, Ichigo, Mouza all voted for Sasaki. Though to be fair this was on D1.
2. Hannibal voted for Gibson
3. Drisos, Kommodus, North, Seamus, TinCow all voted for Fahad (attacked N3)
-- How reasonable is it to assume that a Doctor figured out it was vote count #2 on the list who was targeted with only 1 night of data? Doesn't quite jibe for me. If the Doc spotted Fahad, it was for some othe reason.
More later....
New Tally:
Joe M: 6 (Sigurd, Drisos, EF, Rythmic, Seamus, BananaB)
TC: 4 (Joe M, Kommodus, Andres, Woad)
BananaB: 2 (factionheir, NN)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
Rythmic: 1 (Omanes)
How reasonable is it to assume that a Doctor figured out it was vote count #2 on the list who was targeted with only 1 night of data? Doesn't quite jibe for me. If the Doc spotted Fahad, it was for some othe reason.
ah, indeed. very good. so, either, it wasn't a doctor, or, the doctor had a good reason to protect fahad, and it was just coincedence that he was attacked as well the same turn.
he can't give info to the general public because that includes townies and mafioso.
Either rephrase that, or explain more. Because I don't understand one bit of it. He can't give info, because mafiosi will hear it? So what? Like I said, they already know he's powerful town already anyway..
And how can he send it by PM if he doesn't know you are pro-town, you have not proved it
Well then, if I'm so untrustworthy, let a detective investigate me, and after that have him send the info via PM. Otherwise I can't believe him, and I will probably vote for him.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-27-2008, 19:16
New Tally:
Joe M: 6 (Sigurd, Drisos, EF, Rythmic, Seamus, BananaB)
TC: 4 (Joe M, Kommodus, Andres, Woad)
BananaB: 2 (factionheir, NN)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
Rythmic: 1 (Omanes)
Drisos:
I show another vote for Joe from pevergreen and a vote for pevergreen from Sarathos as well.
Therefore, my tentative listing is:
Joe M: 7 (Sigurd, Drisos, EF, Rythmic, Seamus, BananaB, pever)
TC: 4 (Joe M, Kommodus, Andres, Woad)
BananaB: 2 (factionheir, NN)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
Rythmic: 1 (Omanes)
pever: 1 (sarathos)
abstain: 4 (hannibal, mak', mouz', Tinc')
No Vote: 7 (caius, CA, CR, Fahad, Ichigo, Horus*, Yaro*) * = likely WOG
Currently Dead: 11 (beefy, gibs, prole, sasaki, scott, shlin, totd, trat, tru, blade, luster)
Do you concur?
gibsonsg91921
03-27-2008, 19:17
Uh... gibsonsg91921 isn't dead. In our hearts...
EDIT: Apologies for the spam. I'm bored over here lol!
woad&fangs
03-27-2008, 19:23
Unvote: Tincow; Vote: BananaBob
Seamus makes a good point about the defense being so flimsy it has to be true. Also, I am curious what happens with 2 people in second place:beam:
tally:
Joe M: 7 (Sigurd, Drisos, EF, Rythmic, Seamus, BananaB, pever)
TC: 3 (Joe M, Kommodus, Andres, )
BananaB: 3 (factionheir, NN, Woad)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
Rythmic: 1 (Omanes)
pever: 1 (sarathos)
abstain: 4 (hannibal, mak', mouz', Tinc')
No Vote: 7 (caius, CA, CR, Fahad, Ichigo, Horus*, Yaro*) * = likely WOG
I show another vote for Joe from pevergreen and a vote for pevergreen from Sarathos as well.
Pevergreen voted Joe Monks without unvoting his abstain. So I think it isn't going to be counted.
And, where do I find Sarathos' vote? I doublechecked, but I can't find one. Am I so blind? :embarassed:
Currently Dead: 11 (...)
:laugh4:
we should name this 'Dead For Now: 11 (...)' :laugh4:
Makanyane
03-27-2008, 19:50
does NN's "vote" actually count? https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1872995&postcount=421
he quoted FH's and added himself to tally but that doesn't look like a valid vote to me....
as I now have neither any idea who to vote for - nor what tally really is I'm staying with abstain.
Seamus makes a good point about the defense being so flimsy it has to be true. Also, I am curious what happens with 2 people in second place:beam:
Well, Seamus made an absurd role claim once in Cosa Nuova II. It was so crazy that we didn't lynch him, because we didn't believe he would ever come up with such a weird role.
A couple of rounds later, he got lynched. After the game, it turned out that he was one of the mafiosi...
I for one don't buy the "TinCow's defense is so bad that it must be true"-argument.
It surprises me that Seamus of all players is using this argument to let TC off the hook.
Why exactly are we lynching Joe Monks?
Joe:
Not twigging my radar at all. I truly thought his post a mistake. Probably gets my vote in order to keep TinCow off the chopping block.
So, you're basically voting somebody who is innocent in your eyes?
What do you think about one of the other suspects, Kommodus?
Kommodus
03-27-2008, 20:31
*groan*... I'm suspicious of TinCow's defense as well. But I favor keeping him alive for one more round. I think that will be enough for us to determine his guilt or innocence, and it would be a shame to waste a pro-town role, so...
Unvote: TinCow
I don't think we should be wasting a lynch on Joe Monks. I think he's genuinely confused/inactive; we should all unvote him. Instead,
Vote: BananaBob
Not because I have anything concrete against him, but because at least there's a chance he's guilty. I don't like posts like this one:
Unvote:Abstain Vote:Joe M
I won't have anything concrete until I get home from work and have time to do a proper analysis, which I expect to be much later this evening. :bow:
EDIT: Tally
tally:
Joe M: 7 (Sigurd, Drisos, EF, Rythmic, Seamus, BananaB, pever)
TC: 2 (Joe M, Andres, )
BananaB: 4 (factionheir, NN, Woad,Kommodus)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
Rythmic: 1 (Omanes)
pever: 1 (sarathos)
abstain: 4 (hannibal, mak', mouz', Tinc')
No Vote: 7 (caius, CA, CR, Fahad, Ichigo, Horus*, Yaro*) * = likely WOG
Good idea. I don't agree that it's impossible for Joe Monks to be mafia, but the chances are better for BananaBob. Besides, :furious3: isn't there anyone around that visits the same forums as Joe Monks and can confirm his inactiveness? That will give us proof. I only visit Frontroom, Gameroom and Shogun Total War section these days. (well, almost only..)
and Andres, you're right it doesn't fit. But I agree with Kommodus, be patient. We don't want to lynch a strong pro-town role. Even if the chance is slim, we are not going to take it. Lynch someone else for now..
oh and concerning the Joe Monks vs. BananaBob tally:
Unvote: Joe Monks
Vote: BananaBob
Tincow's safe now anyway. Btw, should we keep enough votes on Joe Monks to let the '2nd amount of votes attack' be on him instead of TinCow? That would be nice. Though these double lynches aren't favourable, as long as we have no solid stuff like detective results. (Btw, do we want a doctor to protect Joe Monks? I say yes, we shall wait till we hear about his overall acitivity on the .org. Let's not kill too much townies, before we run out of them..) We can wait and make a judgement of TinCow later..
Edit:
Tally:
Joe M: 6 (Sigurd, EF, Rythmic, Seamus, BananaB, pever#)
BananaB: 5 (factionheir, NN, Woad,Kommodus, Drisos)
TC: 2 (Joe M, Andres)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
Rythmic: 1 (Omanes)
pever: 1 (sarathos)
abstain: 4 (hannibal, mak', mouz', Tinc')
No Vote: 7 (caius, CA, CR, Fahad, Ichigo, Horus*, Yaro*)
* = Likely WOG
# = Perhaps not to be counted
Seamus Fermanagh
03-27-2008, 21:14
Pevergreen voted Joe Monks without unvoting his abstain. So I think it isn't going to be counted.
And, where do I find Sarathos' vote? I doublechecked, but I can't find one. Am I so blind? :embarassed:
Post #363, about 2/3 of the way down towards his sig. Bolded and ever'thin'.
BananaBob
03-27-2008, 21:22
and Andres, you're right it doesn't fit. But I agree with Kommodus, be patient. We don't want to lynch a strong pro-town role. Even if the chance is slim, we are not going to take it. Lynch someone else for now..
:wall:
Then you will not want to vote for me.
Why all of the suspicion on me suddenly? I can attribute my "strange behavior" to my noobishness and a general not knowing what was going on in the beginning. Either way I think you would be making a terrible mistake by lynching me. Their is chance I am guilty, sure, but I guarantee that their is a "chance" I have a pro town role as well.
Post #363, about 2/3 of the way down towards his sig. Bolded and ever'thin'.
Are we ignoring me?
Seamus Fermanagh
03-27-2008, 21:33
Are we ignoring me?
Well, at the time I hit "quote" on his post, I hadn't read yours.
I take your point, but...
My witch-doctor in CN2 was a false "reveal" with all sorts of details and interesting quirks. It worked on the principle of the "great lie" -- so big that it can't be unreal.
TinCow seems to be using minimalism -- offering nothing and no support -- just doesn't jibe with a "big lie" effort. That's why I'm skeptical. Is it a "reverse" big lie -- possibly -- but it seems too risky an effort and too quickly found out.
I have no doubt that he'll be the focus of study by "holmes" and our SamSpado Demons -- if he's dirty, we'll have a nice reveal and a necktie party then.
I picked Joe as a tool to not lynch Kommo, who is valuable if he's not trying to pull wool over everyone. Again, I'd like a little time there -- though I agree with you that unlimited time isn't appropriate either. We're over 400 posts now, so when he gets home from work we SHOULD start to see something.
Did you ever address my :inquisitive: from earlier?
Kommodus
03-27-2008, 21:35
Either way I think you would be making a terrible mistake by lynching me. Their is chance I am guilty, sure, but I guarantee that their is a "chance" I have a pro town role as well.
Ok then, what's your role?
This defensiveness is a bit premature; I think Joe Monks is still ahead on votes... :inquisitive:
Damn, another strong pro-town role? How many of those do we have?...:dizzy2: Give me a break..:laugh4:
BananaBob
03-27-2008, 21:41
By one vote.
edit:
Damn, another strong pro-town role? How many of those do we have?...:dizzy2: Give me a break..:laugh4:
It will be your loss, unless your mafia. I know of one other person who has a pro town role, and it is not Tincrow.
Ok, ok. It doesn't make sense either for you to claim strong pro-town is you're just a townie. You'd just claim town or just even accept the lynch, because losing a townie isn't as bad as losing a strong pro-town role anyway..
so for you too, you're either mafia or strong pro-town. (gee, I'm starting to see a pattern in the way you guys defend yourselves)
Unvote: BananaBob
Vote: Abstain
to increase the gap between you and joe to 2.
for now. I'm not saying I believe you either. it's just, I'm not willing to take the chance, just like with TC.
however whomever we lynch, it seems like the 2nd amount of votes is going to either you or tincow, so.. TC and Bananabob need doctor protection..
Seamus Fermanagh
03-27-2008, 21:58
Too little information, too much uncertainty.
Bob's response is a little too convenient, but....
For now, as I said, Joe was just a means to an end, I have no read on him either way as yet, so:
Unvote: Joe Monks
Vote: Abstain
Bob, Kommodus makes fair points. I may end up shifting my vote your way.
TinCow, while still a question mark, has some others speaking for him who do not twig my radar.
EDIT: someone please update the tally for me, I have to get my daughter to ballet.
Vote:Abstain
I haven't came into something good yet.
BananaBob
03-27-2008, 22:27
I only voted for JoeM so that mafia would either target TC for his pro town role - which would be blocked by a doctor - or he would not be targeted and we could assume he was mafia.
The way I see it, either Tin Crow or I are mafia, or we are strong pro-town.
The roles we have seen suggests a role that can raise the dead, a role that can block a killing, and the mafia. If both TC and I have claimed we have a strong pro town role, that either means that we do indeed both have a strong pro town role, or one of us is lying. We would not have claimed such an important role unless the stakes were high, and we were not mere townfolk, and if we were both mafia then we would not have drawn attention to both of us.
I suspect that their will be an attempt on either of our lives tonight. The mafia will of course try to kill one of us assuming that we can either bring back the dead or protect someone from their attacks. If you lynch someone else then the two of us tonight, we will have a clearer view on who is mafia, and who indeed had a special role.
TinCow seems to be using minimalism -- offering nothing and no support -- just doesn't jibe with a "big lie" effort. That's why I'm skeptical. Is it a "reverse" big lie -- possibly -- but it seems too risky an effort and too quickly found out.
I have no doubt that he'll be the focus of study by "holmes" and our SamSpado Demons -- if he's dirty, we'll have a nice reveal and a necktie party then.
Hmmm...
Why do you think Kommodus is above all doubt innocent?
I picked Joe as a tool to not lynch Kommo, who is valuable if he's not trying to pull wool over everyone. Again, I'd like a little time there -- though I agree with you that unlimited time isn't appropriate either. We're over 400 posts now, so when he gets home from work we SHOULD start to see something.
First: you used your vote on Joe to avoid getting TinCow lynched, not Kommo. Second, where exactly did I demand for Kommo to post 'holmes' results? 'holmes' has proven it's worth in the past, but it has failed as well. Also, we shouldn't rely too much on a non confirmed innocent to find the mafia for us. That's laziness.
Did you ever address my :inquisitive: from earlier?
Yes, I can be a pitbull. You never noticed before? :inquisitive:
The way I see it, either Tin Crow or I are mafia, or we are strong pro-town.
So, according to you, you can be mafia? Is that a confession?
The roles we have seen suggests a role that can raise the dead, a role that can block a killing, and the mafia. If both TC and I have claimed we have a strong pro town role, that either means that we do indeed both have a strong pro town role, or one of us is lying. We would not have claimed such an important role unless the stakes were high, and we were not mere townfolk, and if we were both mafia then we would not have drawn attention to both of us.
I suspect that their will be an attempt on either of our lives tonight. The mafia will of course try to kill one of us assuming that we can either bring back the dead or protect someone from their attacks. If you lynch someone else then the two of us tonight, we will have a clearer view on who is mafia, and who indeed had a special role.
Interesting post.
BananaBob
03-27-2008, 22:40
So, according to you, you can be mafia? Is that a confession?
According to me the town has no way of knowing other then my word.
Makanyane
03-27-2008, 22:50
According to me the town has no way of knowing other then my word.
if you're going to claim "a role" you should expect the rest of us to ask what it is , - and saying its either mafia or pro-town isn't a reason for us not to lynch you :rolleyes5:
so having decided to proclaim yourself important you might as well say what role is, and try and convince us you're worth keeping alive!
If you're not mafia - they will already think you have pro-town role so you're not losing anything else by telling town what it is and asking for protection (*I think - confess to still being confused*)
CountArach
03-27-2008, 22:51
According to me the town has no way of knowing other then my word.
On the other hand, the same thing could be said for a pro-town power role. I'm not sure what to think to be honest.
I think that we should keep TinCow around for at least one more round and then see what happens.
I have a theory that one of the killers can only kill someone they voted for (And then perhaps unvoted?) and I'll look into that during today.
Vote: Abstain for now. Will likely change later.
Kommodus
03-27-2008, 22:57
if you're going to claim "a role" you should expect the rest of us to ask what it is , - and saying its either mafia or pro-town isn't a reason for us not to lynch you :rolleyes5:
so having decided to proclaim yourself important you might as well say what role is, and try and convince us you're worth keeping alive!
If you're not mafia - they will already think you have pro-town role so you're not losing anything else by telling town what it is and asking for protection (*I think - confess to still being confused*)
Agreed. TinCow claims there are odd things about his role that make it unwise to reveal at the moment. Are you claiming this same thing? If not, why not tell us your role?
GeneralHankerchief
03-27-2008, 22:59
Can anyone find out if Makanyane responded to TinCow in the same way she did to BananaBob when TinCow claimed power town?
BananaBob
03-27-2008, 23:02
Agreed. TinCow claims there are odd things about his role that make it unwise to reveal at the moment. Are you claiming this same thing? If not, why not tell us your role?
Because my role looses its effectiveness if the mafia knows the specifics.
Tratorix
03-27-2008, 23:28
Because my role looses its effectiveness if the mafia knows the specifics.
:inquisitive:
If you're power town, your either detective or doctor. Or are you claiming some strange new role?
Twilightblade
03-27-2008, 23:31
vote: abstain
seireikhaan
03-27-2008, 23:32
vote: abstain
:skull:
I personally can vouch for bananabob, he is pro-town. Unlike the supposed vouchers for TC I have come forward. I also have a good reason to vouch him but if I do reveal it will make us both strong mafia targets so I'd rather not.
If you're power town, your either detective or doctor. Or are you claiming some strange new role?
Seems like he indeed is. And he's not first.
*Tincow sais he has some strange new strong pro-town role
*Tincow sais a m8 of his has some strange new strong pro-town role
*BananaBob sais he has some strange new strong pro-town role
*Elite Ferret sais he has some strange new strong pro-town role
I wonder how many strange new strong pro-town roles there are? :inquisitive: I'm not buying this. Is this town's trick to confuse the mafia? You're confusing me too in the process..
I'll stick with abstaining.. this all is too confusing :dizzy2: I'll hand over the voting to you townies that know what's going on. I have no clue :S
seireikhaan
03-28-2008, 00:34
Joe Monks has been lynched. Writeup to follow.
Kommodus
03-28-2008, 01:06
Seems like he indeed is. And he's not first.
*Tincow sais he has some strange new strong pro-town role
*Tincow sais a m8 of his has some strange new strong pro-town role
*BananaBob sais he has some strange new strong pro-town role
*Elite Ferret sais he has some strange new strong pro-town role
I wonder how many strange new strong pro-town roles there are? :inquisitive: I'm not buying this. Is this town's trick to confuse the mafia? You're confusing me too in the process..
Ok, let's just have a show of hands: who here doesn't have a strong pro-town role, which will somehow lose its power once the mafia find out about it, plus friends with pro-town roles who can vouch for them?!
*cautiously raises hand*
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2008, 01:13
Keep in mind that it could also be a gamble by the mafia to cover their buddy's tracks.
I for one, don't buy that all of them are using the same excuse. At least one of them is lying.
Kommodus, any chance of a Holmes reading next round?
seireikhaan
03-28-2008, 01:54
"Joe Monks, you have been accused of attempting to derail the Netherworld and attempting to plunge it into chaos. What is your response?" Kamikhaan requested.
"I told you already, I swear I'm innocent!" Joe protested.
"I'm afraid that won't be enough. The council has decided, and you're interfernce will be put to an end." With that, Kamikhaan took ahold of the horrible, ancient execution sword, and ran Joe through as he was held down by multiple guards.
"Now, Joe Monks was not the only one who will but put down, today. Warmaster Horus and Yaropolk, come forward!" Both came forward somewhat reluctantly, inching forward before being shoved forward by others in the crowd. Warmaster and Yaropolk, I have a surprise for you! The tenth level of hell!
"I thought there were only nine levels!" a voice from the crowd shouted out.
"Indeed, there have only been 9. However, I hired some engineers and interior decorators to begin construction on the tenth! Unfortunately, its still got a few kinks to work out, and it probably isn't ready for humans, but it should be functional for demons. I even got them to build a tunnel leading up to the world of Humans."
The council followed Kamikhaan towards a relatively unexplored corner of the Netherworld, where they discovered what seemed like a long, dark, bottomless well in the floor, and an equally long, dark tunnel leading up through the roof. "Alright, Yaropolk and Warmaster, begin the descent down to the tenth level!" As the two began to be forced down the steps, everyone heard a high whistling sound. Puzzled, heads turned upwards, only to see several speeding masses zip past down through the tunnel from the ceiling, whipping downwards into the well like tunnel in the floor.
"Grr...Damn it, I knew I should've had that tunnel connected somewhere else in the human world...I should've figured those Spartans wouldn't have any patience." Kamikhaan turned his head skywards and bellowed, "LEONIDAS!!! I TOLD YOU, DON'T KICK ANYBODY DOWN THE WELL UNTIL I TELL YOU ITS READY!!!"
Several dull thuds were heard from the bottom of the tunnel. Yaropolk and Warmaster Horus, still on the stairs inside the tunnel, turned their heads downwards. From the bottom, a faint light could be seen. It grew brighter and brighter, then, in a flash, a fiery explosion ripped through the tunnel, incinerating Yaropolk and Warmaster in a split second. "Damn it," Kamikhaan muttered. "Now I'm going to have to have it start over AGAIN!" He turned his head skyward once again. "LEONIDAS! THIS IS THE LAST STRAW! I'LL SEE YOU IN A MONTH!!!!!"
"Well, at least those two are dead, anyways." Kamikhaan muttered. "Alright, y'all, we're done here! To your guard posts!"
Tally:
Joe M: 5(Sigurd, EF, Rythmic, BananaB, pever#)
BananaB: 4(factionheir, NN, Woad,Kommodus)
TC: 2 (Joe M, Andres)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
Rythmic: 1 (Omanes)
pever: 1 (sarathos)
abstain: 8 (Drisos, Seamus, Caius, CA, hannibal, mak', mouz', Tinc')
No Vote: 5 (CR, Fahad, Ichigo, Horus*, Yaro*)
Killed: 10
Shlin28 (N1)
Warluster (N1)
Scottishranger (N1)
Sigurd Fafnesbane (N2)
Proletariat (N2)
Gibsonsg91921 (N2)
Sasaki Kojiro (N2)
Twilightblade (N3)
Tratorix (N3)
TiberiusoftheDrake (N3)
Attacked: 1
Fahad I (N3)
Lynched: 2
Beefy187 (D1)
TruePraetorian (D2)
Joe Monks (D3)
WoG'd: 2
Yaropolk (D3)
Warmaster Horus (D3)
Suicide: 0
Alive: 24
Andres
BannanaBob
Caius
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
Drisos
EliteFerret
FactionHeir
Fahad I
GeneralHankerchief
Hannibalbarc
Ichigo
Kommodus
Makanyane
Mouzafphaerre
Northnovas
Omanes Alexandropolites
pevergreen
Rythmic
Sarathos
Seamus Fermanagh
SigurdFafnesbane
TinCow
woad&fangs
EDIT: I want the orders tomorrow at 6:30 PM/18:30 CST, or 23:30 GMT for Euros.
Joe Monks
03-28-2008, 03:01
well what a wasted lynch.
Crazed Rabbit
03-28-2008, 04:05
Bah, you said you were innocent!
Only an Angel could be anything near innocent! We are corrupt, foul demons!
~;p
CR
Mouzafphaerre
03-28-2008, 04:21
.
:inquisitive:
.
FactionHeir
03-28-2008, 04:24
I think Caius is scummy. Lurking and almost in danger of WoG just voting abstains.
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2008, 04:26
I think Caius is scummy. Lurking and almost in danger of WoG just voting abstains.
I agree.
Tomorrow, I think, we seriously need to hear from Caius and get something out of Kommodus and Holmes. Otherwise we should really mount the votes on those two.
Let's pressure the claimed "power town" as well. kamikhaan said he had to cut some roles out since he didn't hit 40 people, they can't all have a good role.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-28-2008, 05:47
I haven't really read that carefully since I'm tired and intoxicated but BALONEY you guys they town can catch the mafia without the help of any power roles so just own up completely and stop this "I have a power role but I'm not going to tell you anything" nonsense; give us all the information you have and make everyone you know about vouch for you that's what's best for the town openess and honesty.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-28-2008, 06:05
Really what I'm saying tincow is it's a solid protown play to lynch your ass even if you are a super-detective-doctor-vigilante, even if it's just on a meta game basis.
Ah, I love the smell of alcohol in the morning :grin:
I understand why my actions were not ideal, but I simply did not think that revealing everything at that moment would be for the best. I am waiting for a specific event to happen. After it happens, I will gladly reveal everything about my role, what I have done in the past, and what I will do in the future. I expect this event to occur during this night phase, so with a little luck I should be able to give you all the information you want before the next lynch vote.
Ok, let's just have a show of hands: who here doesn't have a strong pro-town role, which will somehow lose its power once the mafia find out about it, plus friends with pro-town roles who can vouch for them?!
My sentiments exactly.
Too many pro-town role claims. It's ridiculous.
Yaropolk
03-28-2008, 18:18
Sorry i havent been voting everyone, I have been waiting for a PM to let me know which role I am playing...still dont know.
if you didn't get a PM it means you are a townie, but you have been killed anyway now for inactivity so it doesn't matter.
Sarathos
03-28-2008, 23:34
Well that was ultra confusing. But seriously guys, if the town have any wish to live they will not reveal. Any experienced town player should know that, so that pretty much covers everyone playing now. So why is everyone trying to draw out the town? If anyone wants to reveal, its their choice, and they will most likely do it by PM not go public.
Just going by the general nature of Mafia, how can we even trust a reveal as true? A mafia could reveal himself/herself as town with ease and no one evidence do we have to say no?
vote: abstain
Glad to see your paying attention...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0210070/
Thanks, Mouzafphaerre.
[...] but if I do reveal it will make us both strong mafia targets so I'd rather not.
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
And you think just saying that doesn't make you strong mafia targets? :laugh4:
seireikhaan
03-29-2008, 00:43
Sorry about the delay, writeup will be posted asap.
EDIT: Unexpected family influence, might be another two hours or so. Sorry.
Hannibalbarc
03-29-2008, 01:06
but if I do reveal it will make us both strong mafia targets so I'd rather not.
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
And you think just saying that doesn't make you strong mafia targets?:laugh4:
Good point, ok Ferret, start talking.
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2008, 01:09
Vote: kamikhaan's family
Crazed Rabbit
03-29-2008, 01:10
It's absurd that anyone can think that saying they have a strong pro-town role but not revealing the exact role won't make them a target, while saying the role will make them a target.
The only effect is to harm the town.
Tomorrow we lynch any of these 'pro-town' players who doesn't tell us what their role is.
CR
pevergreen
03-29-2008, 01:39
you mean today :laugh4:
Can't wait for write up!
Can't wait for write up!
Same!
seireikhaan
03-29-2008, 03:32
Ichigo was watching over his cell, guarding his assignment with dutiful enthusiasm. Time ticked by as he counted the minutes in his head for the shift to end. The monotony was broken when Ichigo, out of the corner of his eye, witnessed a guard thrown down the t-section of the corridor far to his left at alarming speed. In the wake of the body came a burly intruder, who spotted Ichigo in a manner of seconds. Ichigo instinctively reached for a crowbar laying a few feet away, and prepared to fend off the intruder. The intruder bounded to Ichigo, spanning the gap between them in such speed that Ichigo had just barely closed his grip around the crowbar when the intruder grabbed him by the neck with a single hand, almost effortlessly. The intruder pulled a short sword from his belt with his free hand, and ripped Ichigo down his midsection, and promptly threw the feeble corpse aside.
Drisos had just returned to his near brand new home, a recently renovated cavern with all of the accomodations one would expect to find in the Netherworld. However, he just got to the lip of the cave when he felt a presence emanating from behind him. A figure stood roughly 50 yards from Drisos, yet its sheer presence and power seemed to emanate so far that Drisos felt it to his core. It seemed to loom over its surroundings no matter where they stood as it stared Drisos down with a fiery gaze. It began a casual stroll to the cavern entrance, seeming unconcerned if Drisos ran or stayed. Drisos immediately withdrew deeper into the cave, and began a search of his emergency cache of weapons, and found two swords of excellent quality. He returned to the lip, only to find the new character still slowly strolling, seeming unconcerned by its newly armed opponent. Drisos began a charge of the figure, brandishing the two swords wildly. The figure withdrew a whip, which promptly was lit ablaze by the character's hands. It lashed the whip towards Drisos, but Drisos was ready. He raised one of the swords and caught the whip as it lashed the blade and wrapped around, then brought the other blade down on the whip, severing the weapon. Suddenly, Drisos felt the presence of the intruder flare up, and turned his head up to witness a terrifying sight. The character lit completely ablaze, a menacing facade of anger now decorating its face.
The intruder brought its right hand up in a fist, fire flaring around it. It seemed to punch the air in front of him, unleashing a hellfire like a beam at Drisos. Drisos was so stunned that he did not get out of the way in time, and the beam of pure fire punched right through his midsection, singing a burnt hole where flesh had previously resided. Drisos fell to his knees, then on his face, barely clinging to conciousness. The new figure pulled a raven black sword, which promptly lit ablaze in its hand, and finished Drisos for good.
Banana Bob was on his way to a nearby cavern when he witnessed, out of his peripheral vision, a figure floating at high speed from the west in his direction. He turned in time to see the figure come into focus from the distance, with a scythe in its left hand, a black hood over its face, and shocking red eyes piercing towards him.
"Mr. Banana, your time has come!" the figure crowed with glee. Banana Bob immediately withdrew into the nearest cavern, hoping to eliminate this new creatures flying advantage. However, it by no means stopped it from attempting to come in after him. Banana Bob continued retreating back, farther and farther into the cave, the figure slowly advancing, enjoying its sweet time. Finally, he felt his back bump up against a cold, rocky surface, and he knew his room had run out. "Looks like this is end of the road, Banana. Now, DIE!" However, just as the intruder finished this sentence, a heavy, pounding sound was heard by both. The intruder turned around, seeing a massive, familiar creature bounding towards him at a high speed. It seemed to occupy the entire cavern, as multiple fierce, snapping heads growled and barked at the intruder. "Damn it!" the intruder snapped. He quickly turned back to Banana Bob. "You got lucky this time, I'll get you still!" The intruder then took off at top speed towards the massive protector. Multiple heads all took snaps at the intruder, but it skillfully weaved in and out, back and forth, until it manuevered itself past the creatures hindquarters, and sprinted from the cavern, frustrated, but alive.
Killed: 12
Shlin28 (N1)
Warluster (N1)
Scottishranger (N1)
Sigurd Fafnesbane (N2)
Proletariat (N2)
Gibsonsg91921 (N2)
Sasaki Kojiro (N2)
Twilightblade (N3)
Tratorix (N3)
TiberiusoftheDrake (N3)
Drisos (N4)
Ichigo (N4)
Attacked: 2
Fahad I (N3)
Banana Bob (N4)
Lynched: 3
Beefy187 (D1)
TruePraetorian (D2)
Joe Monks (D3)
WoG'd: 2
Yaropolk (D3)
Warmaster Horus (D3)
Suicide: 0
Alive: 22
Andres
BannanaBob
Caius
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
EliteFerret
FactionHeir
Fahad I
GeneralHankerchief
Hannibalbarc
Kommodus
Makanyane
Mouzafphaerre
Northnovas
Omanes Alexandropolites
pevergreen
Rythmic
Sarathos
Seamus Fermanagh
SigurdFafnesbane
TinCow
woad&fangs
Voting will go until 9:30 P.M./21:30 CST, or 2:30 GMT
BananaBob
03-29-2008, 03:50
Vote:TinCrow
To come out with such a supposedly pro-town role and not get an attempt on your life is odd indeed. I orated myself in a much weaker manner then you did... yet I was attacked an you were not.
Vote subject to change.
seireikhaan
03-29-2008, 04:04
Thank god.
:inquisitive: Thank me for what?
:jester:
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2008, 04:13
Vote: Kommodus
496 posts. Holmes had better have something.
Please accept my apologies for the vague nature of my statements during the previous day phase. As a result of last night’s actions, I now feel comfortable that I can give complete information on my role, my past actions, and my future plans. This may be a long post, but I want to explain everything, so bear with me.
I am Hades, Lord of the Dead. At the start of the game, my role allowed me to do one thing and one thing only: kill one person per night. I am a vigilante. However, my role stated that after 4 kills I would get extra abilities, but my role PM did not tell me what those abilities would be. The way it was worded seemed to indicate that the extra abilities would be worth possible deaths of innocents. Since the game started with 40 people, and it seemed important for me to get to 4 kills, I started killing right on night 1.
In the beginning, there was no real evidence to go on at all. My first target was scottishranger, simply because I thought it would be poetic justice for him to go out in the first round after being the winning Don in Capo II. It was my hope that the results from N1 and D1 would give me a better indication on who to target in the future. Unfortunately, nothing useful came out of those phases. So, on N2 I killed Proletariat, because she was the first person to pull that “I didn’t get a role PM” stunt. That seemed very fishy to me, and I had nothing else to go on, so I just went with her.
However, the N2 results showed four deaths, rather than the three that had occurred on N1. This concerned me a great deal and I suddenly became afraid that I was doing more harm to the town than good by going for my 4 kills. At the very start of the game, I had been contacted by a player who had just made small-talk, but who also said something that made me think he might have a role. At the time, I thought this was probably an attempt to bait me, so I ignored it. However, the N2 results concerned me a great deal and I wanted to make sure my plan was an acceptable one. I admit, I also thought it would be a good idea to have someone else who could confirm my story, since it would be easy for me to be mistaken as a mafioso were my night actions known. Therefore, I got back in touch with the person who contacted me at the beginning of the game.
I directly asked him about his role and he gave me the details of it. It seemed believable and I wanted advice on the situation so I responded with the truth about my role, but with a fake name (Eris, God of Strife). The fake name was intended to sound like a neutral name that could play for either town or mafia, in case my contact was mafia. I told him the situation I was in and asked for his advice. He agreed that I should keep moving towards 4 kills, but said I should target people who were lining up for a WoG, since that wouldn’t really hurt the town. So, on N3 I killed Tiberius of the Drake, because he was on the WoG list.
After the events of the next day phase, I was contacted by many people, most of whom claimed to be pro-town. Obviously I was not foolish enough to trust all of them. However, two of them already knew who my original contact was due to a PM that contact had sent out earlier in the game. Since they already knew his identity, it was agreed that there was little to lose in making the situation an open discussion amongst the four of us. We talked over the situation and I took a risk and told them about my role. At the same time, I finally informed my original contact that I was actually Hades, instead of the fake ‘neutral’ Eris.
We discussed the situation and it was agreed that since I only had one more kill left until my new abilities were revealed, I should do so. The plan was to kill off another one of the WoG targets. Unfortunately, kamikhaan chose to WoG them after the day phase, not the night phase. That removed WoGs as an option for my kill. I then asked for advice on a new target and the consensus opinion was Drisos, due to some of his statements during the voting phase. So, on N4 I killed Drisos.
With my 4 required kills completed, I have now received my new ability. It’s not quite as strong as I had hoped, but it’s still useful. I can spend a night action to resurrect two people at once, but I can only do this once. The wording of the ability is a bit vague, but I think whoever I resurrect will lose any role or ability they previously had. It’s probably not going to be useful in bringing back any pro-town roles that have already died, but it will at least give the town a couple more votes during the day phase.
I think it should be somewhat obvious why I didn’t reveal this earlier. At the time I was accused, I had killed 3 people, I had no other ability that I could prove to the town, and I had to kill a 4th person before I would get my new ability. It’s possible you would have believed me, but I thought it more likely that you would simply have thought I was a mafioso or a serial killer or something and lynched me anyway. I thought there was a bigger risk of getting lynched if I told you everything than if I just kept my mouth shut.
Now that I have achieved my 4th kill and gotten my new ability, I feel more comfortable that I can say all of this and be believed. Not only that, I can prove everything that I said. First, compare the write-ups for the kills on scottishranger, Proletariat, Tiberius, and Drisos. You will see they were all made by the same attacker. Second, my original contact knew exactly who I would kill on N3 before the write-up appeared. He can confirm this if he wishes to. Third, the original contact and the two new additions to the group knew who I would kill on N4 before the write-up appeared. They can also confirm this if they want to.
I will now offer my services fully to the town in whatever capacity they deem best. I will work as a town vigilante, killing only people that the town approves of beforehand. Maybe we can come up with a voting system or figure out some other arrangement between people who can prove that they are also pro-town. The details on how this would work can be figured out publicly, but I will go one step farther: I will not kill anyone ever again without saying so in public in advance, or without discussing it with multiple proven pro-town players. You can easily tell if I violate this agreement, because the write-ups make my kills easily identifiable (whip, blade, fire, etc) that does not seem to be likely to be mistaken for someone else.
I also want to prove myself immediately by making the choice of who I resurrect an open and public discussion. I have my own opinions on who should be chosen, but I am willing to leave the entire decision up to the town as a whole. Perhaps everyone should make a side vote and list their top 2 preferences for who should be resurrected, along with an explanation for each. I will resurrect whoever gets the most votes. Remember that I can only do this once, so choose wisely. Also, I cannot make a vigilante kill on the night that I resurrect, so that’s not going to be an option for N5.
If there is any other information that you want about my role, my past actions, or my future actions, just ask and I will answer it. The only thing I will not do is discuss the actions or roles of people who have confided that information to me. If they want to disclose that information themselves, then they can do so personally or they can ask me to do it for them. I will not give out information about other people without their prior approval, so don’t bother asking.
BananaBob
03-29-2008, 04:27
Unvote:TinCrow Vote:Abstain
Hmmmmmm... the plot thickens.
I orated myself in a much weaker manner then you did... yet I was attacked an you were not.
We already knew you'd be attacked since you had the second most votes last round, as it has been established that there is a killer who attacks the person with the second most votes.
Also you may want to thank the Doctor/Cerberus/Κέρβερος Banana.
Makanyane
03-29-2008, 07:08
We still had rather too many people coming out as big 'pro-town roles' in last phase to be believable. Assuming for the moment that TinCow's reveal is true then :
Vote: BananaBob
if TC is correct, and he knows another role (who's not BB), and BB was also protected by doctor, who he seems to know nothing about, then too many town roles seem to be taken up for BB to have been telling the truth. On that basis
FoS: EliteFerret
who was vouching for him too.
(I won't be able to get online for rest of phase so if that reasoning starts looking stupid later, please just don't add anymore votes to it!)
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