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Sarathos
03-29-2008, 07:40
Interesting, seems Banana Bob was protected, so who would want to kill him?
Bad luck Ichigo, not quick enough with the crowbar.
pevergreen
03-29-2008, 07:47
Sarathos, paying attention to the town is a good thing.
The person who was trying to kill him is the guy who kills the person with the second most votes.
It isnt known who that is, or if they are pro-town, pro-mafia or neutral.
FactionHeir
03-29-2008, 08:12
Well, pevergreen tell us about your alleged role.
pevergreen
03-29-2008, 10:12
same as TinCow, an event must happen first.
People can vouch for me though.
Ha, dead at last. :skull: :balloon2:
Now, let's FoS BananaBob and EliteFerret. Do you have such convincing story as well?
And FoS Kommodus.. it's taking far longer than normal.. :no:
Edit:
Kill analysis:
Shlin28 (N1) > mafia
Warluster (N1) > mafia
Scottishranger (N1) > TinCow
Sigurd Fafnesbane (N2) > mafia
Proletariat (N2) > Tincow
Gibsonsg91921 (N2) > mafia
Sasaki Kojiro (N2) > 2nd lynch killer
Twilightblade (N3) > mafia
Tratorix (N3) > mafia
TiberiusoftheDrake (N3) > TinCow
Drisos (N4) > TinCow
Ichigo (N4) > mafia
So, mafia seems to get two kills. yet, they either don't have 'calling cards', or they are switching killers. should be find-outable by putting Rythmic's list next the one above.
so, pevegreen is another strong pro-town role? no way.. at least either he or bananabob is lying, and probably both. lynch, lynch, lynch those scum ~:)
Crazed Rabbit
03-29-2008, 11:04
vote: Kommodus
I agree with GH. Kommodus always tries to avoid saying anything about Holmes if he's mafia.
CR
I protected Bananabob because I know he is a doctor. On N3 (I think) we both protected Fahad I by fluke and so Kamikhaan told us the identity of the other doctor. As it is now common knowledge about the person with the second most kills being attacked I protected him tonight. We are both doctors so please don't FoS or vote us.
vote:Makanyane
remove your vote from a doctor unless you are mafia.
For what it is worth, I believe EF and BananaBob are telling the truth. I also believe pevergreen.
Does anyone have any opinions on who I should resurrect? My instinct is to go with Sasaki, because he's good at analyzing these games, and Prole, because I feel bad for killing her.
What about me? :laugh4: I'm just a normal demon though...
pevergreen
03-29-2008, 13:46
Im faced with a bad thought now.
We have 3 claimed roles out there. Doctors with one protect and Hades.
2 protects to protect 3 people? If we guess wrong, I think the mafia will kill one.
BananaBob
03-29-2008, 13:49
It is as elite ferret said. I protected TC this night because I was sure that someone would try and kill him, and EF protected me. We found out each others identity after protecting Fahad I. I did not want to tell the town this because now that the mafia know, we are probably just going to mutually protect. I recommend getting one of us in second place every turn so we can soak up an attack from the grim reaper guy.
pevergreen
03-29-2008, 13:50
In that respect:
Vote: BananaBob
BananaBob
03-29-2008, 13:56
Unvote:Abstain Vote: Kommodus
If he has this Homes program and is withholding it, I smell something fishy.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
03-29-2008, 14:08
I believe TinCow - it seems genuine enough with no abnormalities, impossibilities and is not in a style which indicates mafia behaviour.
I don't believe pevergreen though:
same as TinCow, an event must happen first.
People can vouch for me though.I may have missed something, but it seems a little strange that all of a sudden, after another player makes a believable confession, pevergreen uses that as a reason for not saying anything about his role.
Looking back on what he's said so far, further arouses my suspicions against him. Short and fairly neutral posts are very mafia like in my opinion.
Henceforth:
Vote: pevergreen
pevergreen
03-29-2008, 14:22
I also believe pevergreen.
I cant say anything until after 2 more nights at least.
TinCow, I thought you were pro-town? Isn't it 100% obvious that you should resurrect someone killed by mafia, in order to be sure to resurrect a pro-town player?
Don't resurrect people that are lynched or killed by you.
EF and BananaBob, please indeed mutually protect, at least for now.
I suggest, Kommodus is lynched, and BananaBob is 2nd lynch. Then you'll lynch a suspicious lurking kommo' and town will know for sure if BananaBob and EF are telling the truth. (if they wouldn't be doctors, they wouldn't be protected, because the real doctor know they're lying, so then bananabob'd die, and that's fine. if they're really doctor, all will be ok)
I believe TinCow.
so, seems like there's no serial killer (thrid party) purely town vs. mafia
and I suspect that the '2nd lynch killer' doens't exist. it's probably just kami himself.
btw, TinCow, do you know more about Pever?
Edit:
gah! there was some discussion about this ealier, I think, - was fahad protected by 1 or 2 doctors? if by 1, EF and bananabob are lying. still reason to put them on 2nd lynch spot, though..
In that respect:
Vote: BananaBob
make sure that he is second by a fair few votes though, otherwise the mafia can put him in the lead and he will be lynched.
vote:Kommodus
TinCow, I thought you were pro-town? Isn't it 100% obvious that you should resurrect someone killed by mafia, in order to be sure to resurrect a pro-town player?
Don't resurrect people that are lynched or killed by you.
Like I said, I am completely willing to let the town choose who I resurrect for me. So far I haven't gotten much input on that. If the town can reach a consensus on the matter, I will simply go with their choices.
Vote: Kommodus
I don't like the votes going on BananaBob, because I believe him. As I stated before, I also believe pever and think that he should be given at least a little while longer to prove himself. So, I'm voting Kommodus simply because he's the other current contender for the noose. He told me privately that he is in contact with other pro-town players. If those players would like to come forward publicly or PM me privately to vouch for him, I would be willing to change my vote.
BananaBob
03-29-2008, 14:44
gah! there was some discussion about this ealier, I think, - was fahad protected by 1 or 2 doctors? if by 1, EF and bananabob are lying. still reason to put them on 2nd lynch spot, though..
The Hydra and Cerebus protected Fahad, then the Cerebus protected the hydra
Seamus Fermanagh
03-29-2008, 15:01
FoS:
TinCow & pevergreen
Rationale:
Maybe its just the gamehost in me, but their claimed roles are too bloody (TinCow) or too delayed (pever) to make sense to me.
TinCow as "Hades" must kill 10% of the town (original goal was 40 players, though we started with 38) in order to generate a pro-town power. :inquisitive: Plus, he chooses Drisos -- who was arguing well and bringing up clear points for discussion/analysis -- as his 4th and triggereing target. :inquisitive: Certainly not impossible, but strains credulity.
pevergreen has a power/role that will gain its benefit only after two MORE days -- 6 nights at 3 kills/night? :inquisitive: Can ressurect only after two "off" nights -- in a 3 kill per night game? :inquisitive: Less implausible than TinCow's "role," buy again, strains credulity.
So far, I'm not buying it.
Vote: TinCow
FactionHeir
03-29-2008, 15:07
vote: caius
Scummy lurker who hasn't said anything and votes abstain before wogs
Maybe its just the gamehost in me, but their claimed roles are too bloody (TinCow) or too delayed (pever) to make sense to me.
TinCow as "Hades" must kill 10% of the town (original goal was 40 players, though we started with 38) in order to generate a pro-town power. :inquisitive: Plus, he chooses Drisos -- who was arguing well and bringing up clear points for discussion/analysis -- as his 4th and triggereing target. :inquisitive: Certainly not impossible, but strains credulity.
As I said, Drisos was the choice of the other people I was consulting with, he was not my own pick. My preference was for a WoG kill, but the WoGs were unexpectedly killed off after the day phase, not the night phase, so I wasn't able to do that. The other people I was conferring with didn't like Drisos' posts, so they suggested him.
If I am lying, then I won't be able to resurrect 2 people tonight. If you don't think I'm sincere, then why don't you suggest who I should resurrect? In any case, it is now impossible for me to kill without the rest of the town knowing about it. The signature on my kills is consistent and easily identifiable. The connection was even noticed before I revealed. It is interesting that you want to lynch me, even though you will have absolute proof if I ever kill anyone that the town did not approve of first.
FactionHeir
03-29-2008, 15:29
Tell us who you were conversing with now that the doctors have revealed as well. If you don't want to give names, give roles so we can verify.
And you could have killed Caius who seems a scummy lurker instead of active Drisos if you were going after WoGs.
what I don't like is all this demand for information coming from everyone. How can we trust you? You could quite easily be mafia and are just making sure you will be killing the right people.
what I don't like is all this demand for information coming from everyone. How can we trust you? You could quite easily be mafia and are just making sure you will be killing the right people.
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Tell us who you were conversing with now that the doctors have revealed as well. If you don't want to give names, give roles so we can verify.
And you could have killed Caius who seems a scummy lurker instead of active Drisos if you were going after WoGs.
You say Caius is scummy. Other people say Drisos is scummy. Still other people say Andres is scummy. Several also say I am scummy. No matter who I picked, someone was going to disagree with it. There was no perfect choice that would have made everyone happy.
The people I was conversing with were a role blocker, a townie, and a third role that is a bit strange. The role blocker has proven his abilities to me and the other people. He is my initial contact who dropped the hint at the beginning of the game. The townie hasn't proven anything, but he seems legit so far. The third role I will not talk about right now.
The four of us have been using a quicktopics message board to communicate. I think the other three will agree to let the doctors have the link to that board, since we're pretty positive about their identity. If we did this and the doctors then reported back that what we were saying was true (without giving names of the other three people), would that help?
woad&fangs
03-29-2008, 15:47
EF+BananaBob- I believe them. The roles seem believable and if they were mafia than a real doctor would step up and say so.
Tincow- The role is slightly less believable(very powerful, plus how can there be a Hades and a Lord Kamikhaan?) but still plausible. His easily identifiable signature and the possibility of a double resurection tonight are worth the risk of keeping him alive one more night.
pevergreen- Yeah right, not entirely buying another powertown role claim without some proof. I'm eagerly awaiting a Holmes result on you.
Kommodus- I'll wait for his trademark analysis before I make a descision on him.
Sigurd- The voodoo ressurection has me wondering about what side you are now on but it isn't something I'm real worried about for now.
Rythmic- I'm guessing that he's a townie. He puts in a lot of effort into analyzing the situation which I wouldn't expect from a noob mafioso.
Caius- pops in, votes Abstain, and then dances off into the darkness. I don't like it.
So for now... Vote: Caius... Until we get a look at Holmes.
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:dizzy2:
:inquisitive: you must be mafia
:inquisitive: you must be mafia
Nope, it's just if you didn't want to be killed by the mafia, you should have never revealed yourself.
My associates agree that I should resurrect only people confirmed to have been killed by mafia. Since I have heard similar sentiments in here and no one has given me advice about specific people, I propose to resurrect the following people: shlin28 (killed by mafia on N1) and gibsonsg91921 (killed by mafia on N2).
Please speak up if you disagree with either of these choices.
I think the ressurection should be saved for now. That we we could ressurect good pro-town roles rather than just townies. (eg me :P or bananabob or the detective) If it can only happen once it should not be wasted just to prove your innocence.
The other people I was conferring with didn't like Drisos' posts, so they suggested him.
How sure are/were you they are pro-town??!!:dizzy2: :wall:
And you could have killed Caius who seems a scummy lurker instead of active Drisos if you were going after WoGs.
Indeed, TC, you were trying to pick those with few value for town, and perhaps even mafia. Caius is lurking+abstaining.. not valueable for town at all, and maybe mafia. If I would've been mafia if would've been loads easier to tell in the long run, because I've been constant joining the discussion, thus, exposing myself.
now, I don't really mind my death, since I have no special/strong role like all of you guys ~;p I'll join Kommo's 'normal town' club. :laugh4: oh gah, I forgot, kommo's suspicious, ah well. normal mafia is still more normal than TC's role and Pever's claim.
TC, go ahead and resurrect shlin. this will give us proof of your resurrection capabilities as well.. I'm however very doubtful if you are really a pro-town role.. :book:
As I said, the wording of the ability indicates that the people will lose any abilities they previously had. Waiting to resurrect pro-town roles would be a waste, because they wouldn't be able to do anything afterwards. In addition, we now have two doctors to protect in addition to myself. It's impossible for all three of us to be protected each night. If I do not use my resurrection immediately, there is a chance I will be killed before I can use it.
Your resurrection choices seem sound, either of those two or possibly Ichigo.
Now I'm not sure why everyone is voting Kommo if Caius seems the best current target.
Vote: Caius
Agreed
Unvote: Kommodus
Vote: Caius
Though for the record I would still like to hear from these supposed pro-town contacts that Kommodus claims to have.
Your resurrection choices seem sound, either of those two or possibly Ichigo.
Now I'm not sure why everyone is voting Kommo if Caius seems the best current target.
Vote: Caius
It's good to see someone remembers me. :beam:
TinCow, so you create a garanteed townie if you resurrect someone? Then, may I suggest you pick me? You'll have you garantee that I'm town then, and I'll get my voting ability back! :beam: :2thumbsup:
Proletariat
03-29-2008, 16:26
So, on N2 I killed Proletariat, because she was the first person to pull that “I didn’t get a role PM” stunt. That seemed very fishy to me, and I had nothing else to go on, so I just went with her.
Ouch. That was pretty costly for a dumb joke.
:sweatdrop:
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2008, 16:31
Wait a second. Something about TinCow's claim just set alarm bells off.
TinCow claims that he had to kill off four people in order to resurrect two. Okay, sounds cool - if the two people that he resurrected were power town. But, as he himself states, the people he resurrects lose whatever powers they have, essentially becoming normal townies.
So, in essence, TinCow has provided us with -2 townies.
Now, there is the possibility that he could, of course, killed the mafia, in which case it would have been worth it, but so far he has killed based on revenge from Capo II, one suspicious comment made earlier on in the game that wasn't followed up with anything, inactivity, and advice from his contacts.
This doesn't fly with me.
Unvote: Kommodus
Vote: TinCow
I believe this issue needs to be discussed more in-depth.
As I stated before, I didn't know what my extra ability would be until after N4. The wording indicated something powerful, and after I saw a resurrection occur I thought it would be the option to resurrect one per night. I was kind of disappointed that it was a one-off two person resurrection. As you point out, it was probably not worth my kills. However, I didn't know that at the beginning of the game.
As you point out, it was probably not worth my kills. However, I didn't know that at the beginning of the game.
Ah, but Kami did! Are you still saying you'r pro-town? :inquisitive:
It's not my fault if you think the balance of the roles in this game is off. There were bound to be problems when you introduce the ability to bring people back to life.
FactionHeir
03-29-2008, 16:53
I would recommend resurrecting 2 active townies.
Proletariat is one.
Hannibalbarc
03-29-2008, 17:01
Vote Caius, Lurker, he's acting suspiciously and chances are he's mafia, if he isn't then at least we didn't lynch someone that was actually playing, also FOS Kommodus, what's keeping you from using Holmes?
EDIT:Tincow, resurrection of gibson and shlin sounds good.
Current tally of resurrection preferences:
Updated as of post 546:
Shlin: himself
Drisos: Only mafia kills, approves of Shlin and himself
EF: No one, save for later
Rythmic: Shlin, gibson, or Ichigo
FH: Active people, approves of Prole
Hannibalbarc: shlin and gibson
woad&fangs: Ichigo
If anyone else has a preference, please speak up. I'm going to go with the top two votes (unless you lynch me today, which will obviously prevent me from resurrecting anyone).
woad&fangs
03-29-2008, 17:07
I support the resurrection of Ichigo. He is a good player and he was killed by the mafia.
Current Lynch Tally (I hope it's correct):
BananaBob - 2 (Mak, pever)
Kommodus - 2 (CR, Bob)
Makanyane - 1 (EF)
pevergreen - 1 (Omanes)
TinCow - 2 (Seamus, GH)
Caius - 4 (FH, Ryth, TC, Hannibal)
Note: EF your vote on post 517 is invalid as you forgot to unvote.
woad&fangs
03-29-2008, 17:27
Unvote: Caius; Vote: Abstain
Now the Tally is correct :bow:
FactionHeir
03-29-2008, 17:28
Current analysis (copied from Rythmic on page 12)
Killer 1: (TinCow)
Scottishranger - Killed N1, Killer had a multiple pronged whip and a 'blade'. Killer spoke before attacking.
Proletariat - Killed N2, as note the whip, black blade/sword and speaking before the murder.
Tiberius of the Drake - Killed N3, Killer had a whip and a black blade
Drisos - Killed N4, Killer had fiery gaze, lit up completely and shot a beam of fire. Used whip and a black sword.
Killer 2:
Warluster - Killed N1, Killer was 'brawny' and used a club.
DID NOT KILL N2
Twilightblade - Killed N3, Killer was 'brutish' and used a club.
Ichigo - Killed N4, Killer was 'burly' and used massive strength and shortsword. Moved with amazing speed.
Killer 3:
DID NOT KILL N1
Gibsonsg91921 - Killed N2, killer shape-shifted. The killer had many tails. Also killer had claws.
Tratorix - Killed N3, Killer shape-shifted, killer had claws, fangs and was 'animalish'
DID NOT KILL N4
Killer 4:
Shlin28 - Killed N1, Killer used a distraction and ambush, killed him with many swords. Attacked from above suggesting wings
Sigurd Fafnesbane - Killed N2, killer used a sword. Also note the that the attacker surprised Sigurd by attacking from behind and the unusual wings/flight. Sigurd called him the Archangel(?). Note: resurrected
DID NOT KILL N3 and N4 ALTHOUGH SIGURD WAS RESURRECTED N3
Killer 5: (2nd highest vote killer)
DID NOT KILL N1
Sasaki Kojiro - Killed N2, using a scythe, floating and quite eager to play 'cat and mouse' before killing. Was described as 'handsome'
Fahad I - Attacked N3, Attacker has a scythe and was 'handsome'
Bananabob - Attacked N4, Attacker had red piercing eyes and a scythe
This seems to disagree with my suggestion that Killer 2 is a Odd-Night serial killer as he killed N4 (or at least the evidence suits better to him than any others). Still, its possible someone else was impersonating him, as he did not use a club and was merely burly.
Killer 5 is figured out and Killer 1 is confirmed as TC.
Killer 4 seems to be able to resurrect after killing. Either he is mafia and resurrects people to be secret mafia operatives or he has a similar role to TC.
Killer 3 seems definite mafia.
TC mentioned a role blocker. Maybe he blocked someone's action last night? That or we lynched/killed the right person at some point or they were simply inactive.
gibsonsg91921
03-29-2008, 17:39
Haha, I'm not as good a player as I looked in Capo. Don't resurrect me.
BananaBob
03-29-2008, 18:04
Who wants to bet that there is no mafia, only people who believe they have pro-town roles, and in order to get this supposed power they kill the town between them? That would be a twist.
Also do not forget to keep me at a distant second so I don't get band wagoned by the mafia.:sweatdrop:
gibsonsg91921
03-29-2008, 18:15
That would be AWESOME
I think the ressurection should be saved for now. That we we could ressurect good pro-town roles rather than just townies. (eg me :P or bananabob or the detective) If it can only happen once it should not be wasted just to prove your innocence.
Why?
If TinCow dies tonight, then he can no longer resurrect.
I suggest TC resurrects one mafia victim and one of the other victims.
scottishranger and Sasaki or Ichigo seem good choices.
TC and pever, do you have any idea on who might have resurrected Sigurd? Role or name?
I totally agree with GH though, TC's role claim stinks. If Ichigo/Sasaki and scottishranger are not resurrected tonight, then TinCow is the lynch for tomorrow.
Also, TinCow, why not revealing in public round 1? A vigilante going rampage on most likely innocent townies is as dangerous as mafia/Serial Killer. Why not letting the town decide on who you had to kill/no kill? It would have given as a de facto double lynch possibility.
In the meanwhile, I'll Vote : Kommodus
Seamus and FactionHeir, what are your thoughts on Kommo?
Why are you all voting Caius btw? Lurking is his usually style since talking always got him lynched in the past.
yeah change my preference TC, ressurect some active people tonight. Thanks Rythmic, I forgot I had already voted.
unvote:Makanyane vote:Kommodus
The reason I don't want TinCow to resurrect people who got killed by the mafia, is because he insists on it.
Maybe he is mafia and he can only resurrect the ones killed by the mafia, turning them into their puppets :inquisitive:
TinCow needs to resurrect one mafia victim and one non mafia victim.
And I really want to know what pevergreen, BanaBob, Elite Ferret and TinCow (all self proclaimed power-roles) think/know about Sigurd's resurrection.
EDIT: Sigurd must have been contacted by his Necromancer. Unvote : Kommodus ; Vote : Sigurd. I want to hear more from you.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-29-2008, 18:37
The way TinCow talks rings scumbells all over town and the kill descriptions don't sound like they were made by a protown player. Having him resurrect two townies tonight and follow the towns orders seems the best course of action for the time being.
TC and pever, do you have any idea on who might have resurrected Sigurd? Role or name?
Unfortunately, no. I have no idea whether it is a pure resurrection role or a different role that could do a one-off resurrection like I could. Presumably if he does it a second time, it's a permanent role ability. It would not surprise me at this point if there was simply a pro-town necromancer role. This seems to be how pever is balancing out the game: give many people the ability to kill, but allow multiple resurrections to keep the population up.
I totally agree with GH though, TC's role claim stinks. If Ichigo/Sasaki and scottishranger are not resurrected tonight, then TinCow is the lynch for tomorrow.
If I don't pull off the resurrections tonight, I will vote to lynch myself.
Also, TinCow, why not revealing in public round 1? A vigilante going rampage on most likely innocent townies is as dangerous as mafia/Serial Killer. Why not letting the town decide on who you had to kill/no kill? It would have given as a de facto double lynch possibility.
Like I said, the wording of the PM made me think I should try to get 4 kills. There's no way I would have survived long enough to do that if I had revealed on day 1. More likely than not you would have just lynched me immediately.
Like I said, the wording of the PM made me think I should try to get 4 kills. There's no way I would have survived long enough to do that if I had revealed on day 1. More likely than not you would have just lynched me immediately.
Well, a round 1 reveal would not have been suspicious.
In round 1, the probability of still having a doctor alive, was high.
You could have done what the town said: kill X or don't kill at all and be protected at night.
Also, what if you are mafia and the people you resurrect become mafia puppets?
We really need to know more about this Sigurd resurrection ASAP.
Sigurd, talk :whip:
gibsonsg91921
03-29-2008, 18:43
I for one think BananaBob is right - there is no real enemies!
Current tally of resurrection preferences:
Updated as of post 560:
Shlin: himself
Drisos: Only mafia kills, approves of Shlin and himself
EF: Active people
Rythmic: Shlin, gibson, or Ichigo
FH: Active people, approves of Prole
Hannibalbarc: shlin and gibson
woad&fangs: Ichigo
Andres: One mafia victim, one non-mafia victim, prefers Ichigo, Sasaki, and scottishranger
Summary:
One mafia and one non-mafia seems to be the current preference. I'm kind of confused about what non-mafia means, but presumably the desire is for me to resurrect one of my own victims and one killed by someone else. For other peoples' victims, shlin has 4 votes and Ichigo has 3, so they're the leading options. For my own victims, Drisos, scottishranger, and Prole are all tied at one vote.
Please continue to give more input on who should be resurrected, especially if you want me to bring back one of my own kills. I will happily do so, but I would prefer if it wasn't a choice between three people, all with only one vote.
Why is nobody backing up TinCow's story?
We have 4 self proclaimed pro-town power roles. None of them backs up TinCow. Nobody else seems to back him up either.
Unvote : Sigurd; Vote : TinCow
Sigurd, I still expect some sort of explanation from you.
Proletariat
03-29-2008, 18:52
I approve of Prole's resurrection as well.
:bow:
gah.. I've had enough. forget what I said about lynching kommodus. lynch tincow.
I'm not even sure if I want to be resurrected anymore... I prefer town's side. dead or alive.
and Andres, very good point, Sigurd must know more, and has to talk, or he'll be the next lynch. :whip:
BananaBob
03-29-2008, 18:59
And I really want to know what pevergreen, BanaBob, Elite Ferret and TinCow (all self proclaimed power-roles) think/know about Sigurd's resurrection.
I have no clue. It was not done by me or anyone I know of.
I have no clue. It was not done by me or anyone I know of.
So, doctors cannot resurrect? Can EF confirm this?
Kommodus
03-29-2008, 19:18
Ok, here’s a brief analysis of the remaining players. I gave a version of this to my pro-town contact last night; it’s been updated since. The ones I consider suspicious are marked with an asterisk (*).
Andres
Claims to have been absent from Friday the 21st to Sunday afternoon on the 23rd. This would make him absent for the entire first night phase. Indeed, he made no posts during that time. I think it’s likely he’s innocent.
BannanaBob
He and Elite Ferret support each other’s claims of being doctors. I actually believe their story.
Caius
Holmes indicates he’s probably innocent.
CountArach
Holmes is inconclusive, but has nothing of significance against him. My instinct is that he’s innocent.
Crazed Rabbit*
Holmes is inconclusive, but after reviewing his posts I think he’s suspicious, and should be investigated if he hasn’t been already. There’s just something… off… about him.
EliteFerret
See BananaBob – likely innocent.
FactionHeir*
At first I thought he was innocent, but it worried me that he appeared to be attempting to fly a little under the radar. As time goes on, though, his statistical behavior as measured by Holmes appears to be getting closer and closer to his guilty baseline, obtained from Fimbulwinter. A review of his posts doesn’t make things look any better for him; most of his posts are decidedly unhelpful to the town. Fairly strong possibility of guilt.
Fahad I*
I was fairly suspicious of him before he was attacked and saved. Since then, he’s been very quiet, posting occasionally in other threads. I’m pretty sure he’s not mafia due to the attack, but it’s still possible he’s a serial killer. His continued lurking makes me edgy.
GeneralHankerchief
He’s difficult to profile using Holmes, but at this point I am not very suspicious of him.
Hannibalbarc*
He’s lurking hardcore, yet is completely focused on the game. This may be just normal for him, as he claims, but I have to suspect something’s up. I reviewed his posts and they don’t look very helpful to the town; he’s not really saying much that other people aren’t saying. I tend to be wrong about him, but right now he remains one of my top suspects.
Makanyane
Holmes is inconclusive; my personal intuition is that she’s pro-town.
Mouzafphaerre
Holmes indicates probable innocence.
Northnovas
So far all he’s done is use other people’s logic. Holmes indicates possible guilt, but not very strongly. I’m suspicious but not overly so.
Omanes Alexandropolites
Holmes indicates likely innocence.
Pevergreen*
He quietly claimed to have a pro-town role, a claim that was largely overlooked – but I doubt the mafia/SKs missed it. Therefore I’m suspicious simply because he hasn’t yet been attacked.
Rythmic
Holmes is inconclusive, but after reviewing his posts I think he’s innocent.
Sarathos
Holmes indicates probable innocence. I think he’s just an ordinary townie.
Seamus Fermanagh
Holmes is usually pretty good about predicting his guilt or innocence, and at the moment it indicates he is innocent.
SigurdFafnesbane
I’m pretty sure he’s innocent, due to having been killed by the mafia before (and yes, I think it was the mafia that killed him).
TinCow
Now that he has revealed, I think his role is plausible. In any case he should be left alive for one more night at least, just so that he can raise two townies from the dead. After that, his value to us is only as a vigilante; if he continues to live we may be able to suggest people for him to kill.
woad&fangs
He’s a very clever player, and I think he’s worth an investigation. Holmes is inconclusive.
So, doctors cannot resurrect? Can EF confirm this?
yes I can, I was as shocked as everyone else. This is a very interesting game, well done Kamikhaan :beam:
Kommodus
03-29-2008, 19:49
Also,
Vote: pevergreen
A while ago you claimed to have a pro-town role, yet you haven't been attacked yet. How do you explain this? Can you give us any information about your role?
And for TinCow:
Resurrect: Ichigo and gibsong91921
Hannibalbarc
03-29-2008, 19:55
Finally holmes comes into this, hmmm... this is interesting, most of whom we considered suspects are thought as innocent by you.
As of now unvote Caius, vote Abstain, likely to change later.
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2008, 19:56
All right, I'm inclined to let Kommodus off the hook as well as TinCow (for this round) on the condition that he does exactly what the town says. So far this seems to be the case, so:
Unvote: TinCow
Vote: Caius
Also, I believe that Proletariat and Drisos should be resurrected. Clean up your own mess.
Kommodus
03-29-2008, 20:03
Also, I believe that Proletariat and Drisos should be resurrected. Clean up your own mess.
I would rather he resurrect people whose innocence we can be nearly certain of. Remember that kamikhaan is the sole writer of the kill descriptions in this game, and I believe he's providing limited clues in them. For example, those who are killed while guarding a cell are almost certainly innocent, which is why I picked Ichigo and gibsong.
I'd love to have my voting ability back! ~:) But, we're not sure on how the resurrection stuff works..
I PM'ed Kami on it. no reply yet..
If ressurection somehow proves my innocence I'd like to nominate myself, if not, take mafia victims.. (though, what Sasaki said is logical too, 1 non-mafia-victim, because it could still be that TC is mafia and resurrecting=recruiting)
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2008, 20:21
According to TinCow's claim, the people he resurrects lose all of their previous powers. Presumably, this would include their power to kill people at night. Thus, no harm done by resurrecting those he already killed.
gibsonsg91921
03-29-2008, 20:29
I have no powers either. I'm not a valuable asset though - if you resurrect me you'll be disappointed with my inability to contribute.
woad&fangs
03-29-2008, 20:31
If the resurrected lose their previous powers... What would happen if he resurrected a mafioso???
gibsonsg91921
03-29-2008, 20:37
Are there dead mafiosi, though?
Resurrecting is not necessarily pro-town. The resurrected players may well be mafia puppets.
TinCow should be lynched.
Crazed Rabbit
03-29-2008, 21:17
I think you're acting very strangely, Andres. You're throwing around your vote like it was a hot potato on various people, demanding information than switching to someone else minutes later.
unvote: Kommodus
vote: Andres
Why should we lynch Tincow without giving him a chance to prove that he' who he says he is by resurrecting two people tonight?
CR
Proletariat
03-29-2008, 21:23
TinCow should live at least one more night, as the town's slave. If we don't get the two resurrected he says, well yeah, he's gotta go. But let's not make the oft-repeated mistake of killing a powerful protown role right before it can be easily proven one way or the other (re, Crazed Rabbit, Capo2).
According to TinCow's claim, the people he resurrects lose all of their previous powers. Presumably, this would include their power to kill people at night. Thus, no harm done by resurrecting those he already killed.
If TinCow truly is the vigilante we should assume that all other kills were made by the mafia.
Hence it would be stupid to resurrect those he killed as they could be potentially dead mafia. Yes they might have lost their ability to kill, but they will still be mafia. They know who the other mafia is and will join in the effort to win by voting pro-mafia.
As to my resurrection; no I have no clue as to why or by whom. I have had no pms from either my rescuer or Kamikhaan.
I would however want an explanation in pm form from the necromancer. Why did you resurrect me?
And why haven’t TinCow & Co contacted me? TinCow claims to be pro-town so he knew that I was killed by the mafia. He knows that by resurrecting any role that I might have had is wiped clean. But since I was a townie from the onset, I had nothing to lose.
Yet I have not been invited to the pro-town party. This is not sitting well with me and I think there are scummy things going on in plain sight.
Where are the 2 detectives? Have they contacted Tincow?
This could all be a ploy by the mafia to gather all the pro-town roles into a trap at the expense of one mafia, this mafia could be TinCow.
TinCow said he is in contact with a role blocker a townie and another role which is weird… In addition we have our two doctors and pever who claim to have a powerful pro-town role.
This adds up to 6 pro-town roles not counting the 2 detectives and the necromancer. Is this not a tad too much against 3 Mafiosi?
I shall wait and see what happens this night before acting against this so-called pro-town group. Oh, and resurrect Sasaki for Beelzebub's sake.
for now:
Vote: pevergreen
I think you're acting very strangely, Andres. You're throwing around your vote like it was a hot potato on various people, demanding information than switching to someone else minutes later.
unvote: Kommodus
vote: Andres
Why should we lynch Tincow without giving him a chance to prove that he' who he says he is by resurrecting two people tonight?
CR
TinCow's behaviour has been suspicious from the very start of this game.
The pro-town role he claims is nonsensic.
Also, maybe he has the power to resurrect, but if he's mafia (and his behaviour suggests as much), then it is safe to assume that those who are being resurrected, will turn into mafia puppets.
It just doesn't feel right.
Also, nobody is vouching for him. Last night, he should have been investigated by a detective. Said detective certainly know innocents who can vouch for TC on his instigation.
Nobody backs up TC. Nobody.
Now we have Sigurd, a resurrected player, insisting just like TC on resurrecting only players supposedly killed by the mafia and not one of the others.
Sigurd claims that his necromancer did not contact him. Why would a pro-town Necromancer not contact the townie he has just resurrected? It makes absolutely no sense at all. Unless the Necromancer is mafia and Sigurd is his puppet.
Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but something just doesn't feel right.
Four (4) kills in order to be able to resurrect two (2), players? And those 4 kills made without influence from the town, just out of the blue, chosen at random?
I refuse to believe such a ridiculous role and if such a role truly exists, then I refuse to believe that it is pro-town.
My vote stays right were it is.
I shall wait and see what happens this night before acting against this so-called pro-town group. Oh, and resurrect Sasaki for Beelzebub's sake.
just so you know I am not part of the 'so called pro-town group', I can only vouch for Bananabob due to info from Kamikhaan.
...
Plain Logic. ~:) I fully support what he sais! :2thumbsup:
woad&fangs
03-29-2008, 22:12
Vote: Tincow
He didn't invite the doctors to his "protown" group:inquisitive: .
Tally
BananaBob - 2 (Mak, pever)
Kommodus - 2 ( Bob, EF)
pevergreen - 3 (Omanes, Kommodus, Sigurd)
TinCow - 3 (Seamus, Andres, woad)
Caius - 4 (GH, FH, Ryth, TC,)
Andres- 1 (CR)
Abstains-(, Hannibal)
Now we have Sigurd, a resurrected player, insisting just like TC on resurrecting only players supposedly killed by the mafia and not one of the others.
Sigurd claims that his necromancer did not contact him. Why would a pro-town Necromancer not contact the townie he has just resurrected? It makes absolutely no sense at all. Unless the Necromancer is mafia and Sigurd is his puppet.
You fully know my logic is sound. Tincow being vigilante should not resurrect people he killed because they could potentially be mafia.
Reading the rules again, I can't find statements about how many the mafia can kill every night. I guess we have assumed that the number is 3.
As Kommodus noted, the kill descriptions should give indications to the townieness of the victims.
May I remind you of my guard duty, tormenting damned souls, attacked by a glowing figure with wings and that I fought back with a pitchfork.
Again I shall call upon the necromancer to pm me with an explanation of my resurrection.
He didn't invite the doctors to his "protown" group:inquisitive:
Indeed. Yet ANOTHER reason that his story just doesn't fit.
I say, don't wait another night. That's what we did yesterday. Do we have our proof? No!
I think it's obvious that he isn't pro-town. And obviously, the ones he resurrects are on his side. Makes perfect sense, in the story set by kami.
I say, finish this, before he gets himself new recruits!!
:skull: !
I was waiting for the approval of all 3 people before I let the doctors have the forum link. Two have given their approval, but one of them still hasn't responded. Since you seem to want to lynch on this basis alone, I will take the risk of pissing off this third person and give the doctors the link to the board themselves. I hope they have the good sense to keep most of what they see in there secret. I am sending them the links now, so please be a little patient until they can respond.
Kommodus
03-29-2008, 22:42
Resurrecting is not necessarily pro-town. The resurrected players may well be mafia puppets.
TinCow should be lynched.
You know, the more I think about it, the more I think there might be something to this. TinCow may very well not be telling the whole truth...
Unvote: pevergreen
Vote: TinCow
Tally
BananaBob - 2 (Mak, pever)
Kommodus - 2 ( Bob, EF)
pevergreen - 2 (Omanes, Sigurd)
TinCow - 4 (Seamus, Andres, woad,Kommodus)
Caius - 4 (GH, FH, Ryth, TC,)
Andres- 1 (CR)
Abstains-(Hannibal)
Am I the only one sensing a desperate tone in Andres and Drisos?
Did my luck strike as Drisos' ? Did TinCow kill one of the mafia when he ended Drisos? Is that why they attack me when I advice not to resurrect those who TinCow killed?
I have seen TC's thread and can confirm him as pro-town. I have not read all of it yet but it is definitely legit.
unvote:Kommodus
vote:Caius
to put TC second
edit: this also allows me to vouch for Pevergreen's claims and a few others who are to remain anonymous.
Northnovas
03-29-2008, 23:07
Well my post maybe according to Homes is I am cast unsure BUT there is no guilt because I am pro town with NO special role. I am not familiar with the program but all of it's suspicions are not on the right people.
It is too bad TC admitting his ability is going to get him lynched. He is not the threat to the town and this nonsense of the vote to ressurect has taken away the lynch vote. Anyone pro town would be trying to lynch mafia and not townies.
Let him prove his ability by not lynching and pick who you feel is worthy. I would hope the townies would vote for their own.
Vote Caius
The latest tally with my vote:
BananaBob - 2 (Mak, pever)
Kommodus - 1( Bob,)
pevergreen - 2 (Omanes, Sigurd)
TinCow - 4 (Seamus, Andres, woad,Kommodus)
Caius - 6 (GH, FH, Ryth, TC, EF, NN)
Andres- 1 (CR)
Abstains-(Hannibal)
Am I the only one sensing a desperate tone in Andres and Drisos?
Oh, I can get much more desperate, if you want. :yes: (I was desperate, in capo2, trying to get town victory by setting mafia families up against each other in the endgame ~;) )
Btw, note that, without me, TinCow might had been lynched yesterday. I was one of those who came up with the logic some people (CR f.i.) come up with now again. ("leave him alive and we'll get evidence")
But there's just too much holes in his story. It's bound to fall apart, sooner or later..
I'm sorry for my hyper-activity,... I just tend to stay very active when dead. Like flies in a hot summer, you can crush them, but them keep bothering you)
I shall now crawl back into my coffin :skull: goodnight!
BananaBob
03-29-2008, 23:28
I can back up TC now. He is almost certainly who he says he is.
Tratorix
03-29-2008, 23:31
I have a bad feeling about this. The longer this goes on, the less convincing I find Tincow's story. So far, we seem to have:
2 doctors
Tincow's Hades role.
And at least 2 other protown roles.
vs.
3 mafioso.
This seems quite unbalanced to me. Which leads be to the conclusion that one(or more) of our "powertown roles" is lying. Tincow has already proved in Capo 2 that he is good at playing the double agent. I wouldn't put it past him to try it here.
woad&fangs
03-29-2008, 23:37
Unvote: Tincow
Hannibalbarc
03-29-2008, 23:41
Vote Tincow He tells everybody his role(and admits to killing a number of people) and everybody takes him at his word, for all you know it could be a clever mafia tactic, admitting to have have killed and offering to help the town, and no one has backed up what he said.
Why should we lynch Tincow without giving him a chance to prove that he' who he says he is by resurrecting two people tonight?
CR
What if he also kills that night? and what if the one he resurrected is mafia or becomes mafia puppets, this has already been mentioned.
If we hadn't pressured Tincow into tell us his role, he wouldn't have offered to help the town, and would have kept up the killing like any mafia, as soon as we try to lynch him, he claims to have a pro-town role, we force him to tell us what it is, and it took him a while to tell us(probably inventing his clever story), I think his story is just a clever defense, then again I could very well be wrong.
EDIT:Bananabob finally backs up Tincow, why didn't he do it sooner? maybe he is mafia and was bribed by Tincow to vouch for him, why did bob suddenly back him up just when he desperately needed it.
Ironically Bob also claims a pro-town role, and hasn't told us what it is yet.
Northnovas
03-29-2008, 23:42
Unvote: Tincow
The latest tally:
BananaBob - 2 (Mak, pever)
Kommodus - 1( Bob,)
pevergreen - 2 (Omanes, Sigurd)
TinCow - 4 (Seamus, Andres, Kommodus, Hannibal)
Caius - 6 (GH, FH, Ryth, TC, EF, NN)
Andres- 1 (CR)
Abstains-
Vote: pevergreen
Simply because he hasn't been targetted lately.
Hannibalbarc
03-29-2008, 23:51
Here is one of Tincows earlier posts when we lynched Bob
I don't like the votes going on BananaBob, because I believe him.
EDIT:When we almost lynched Bob.
1.I never noticed TC playing the double agent in Capo 2, he was always pro-town.
2.Hannibalbarca: I have backed up TC and so has BB. We have seen his private forum and there is no way he made all of that just to fool us two, he's not that sad. It took him a while to tell us because he didn't know himself untill the edn of night four. We can trust him for now as there is little he can do, tonight if he ressurects who we ask him to then we can be sure he is pro-town. If he kills someone (we know his sig) then we will lynch him tomorrow and will have removed a threat to the town. He still could be pro-town though (and almost certainly is) so please don't vote for him today. If you do I will assume you are mafia.
edit: and we never lynched Bob, he is still alive
Northnovas
03-29-2008, 23:57
Vote: pevergreen
Simply because he hasn't been targetted lately.
Lets keep a tally:
The latest tally:
BananaBob - 2 (Mak, pever)
Kommodus - 1( Bob,)
pevergreen - 3 (Omanes, Sigurd, Fahad)
TinCow - 4 (Seamus, Andres, Kommodus, Hannibal)
Caius - 6 (GH, FH, Ryth, TC, EF, NN)
Andres- 1 (CR)
Abstains-
pevergreen
03-30-2008, 00:06
Im very short on time, tutor in 10 minutes, then work straight after.
Can post later today.
Unvote: BB, Vote: Cauis
nice work on the tally NN
The latest tally:
BananaBob - 1 (Mak)
Kommodus - 1( Bob,)
pevergreen - 3 (Omanes, Sigurd, Fahad)
TinCow - 4 (Seamus, Andres, Kommodus, Hannibal)
Caius - 7 (GH, FH, Ryth, TC, EF, NN, pevergreen)
Andres- 1 (CR)
Hannibalbarc
03-30-2008, 00:18
1.I never noticed TC playing the double agent in Capo 2, he was always pro-town.
2.Hannibalbarca: I have backed up TC and so has BB. We have seen his private forum and there is no way he made all of that just to fool us two, he's not that sad. It took him a while to tell us because he didn't know himself untill the edn of night four. We can trust him for now as there is little he can do, tonight if he ressurects who we ask him to then we can be sure he is pro-town. If he kills someone (we know his sig) then we will lynch him tomorrow and will have removed a threat to the town. He still could be pro-town though (and almost certainly is) so please don't vote for him today. If you do I will assume you are mafia.
edit: and we never lynched Bob, he is still alive
Hmmm... maybe, like I said I could very well be wrong, but I still think there is some odd connection between you, Bob, and Tincow, you back up Bob and then you both suddenly backup Tincow, if you are all right that would mean there is at least 2 pro-town roles, like somebody already said, that seems unbalanced.
we both suddenly backed up TC because he gave us the link to his hideout, which confirms him as pro-town. As for the balancing of the game: it could be hideously unbalanced, nobody ever said there was dead equal chances for tha mafia and the town. So far this has been a very inetersting and different game, I wouldn't be surprised if it was unbalanced due to all the odd roles. But that is something to take up with Kamikhaan, not a reason to distrust us.
Hannibalbarc
03-30-2008, 00:27
Unvote:Tincow Vote Caius for the reason I stated before, and #2because he is likely to get lynched anyways, #3 he is dead wait, sort of.
Fos Tincow, Elite Ferret, BananaBob
Northnovas
03-30-2008, 00:48
The latest tally:
BananaBob - 1 (Mak)
Kommodus - 1( Bob,)
pevergreen - 3 (Omanes, Sigurd, Fahad)
TinCow - 3(Seamus, Andres, Kommodus, )
Caius - 7 (GH, FH, Ryth, TC, EF, NN, pevergreen, Hannibal )
Andres- 1 (CR)
woad&fangs
03-30-2008, 00:55
Vote: Tincow
He's going to be protected by a doctor anyways so we might as well nerf the Reaper serial killer.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-30-2008, 02:03
I will leave my vote where it is for now -- though I am skeptical of the vote count thingee as noted in an earlier post -- but I will leave off further verbal attacks and pressuring for now.
I'm starting to think about a line from an old Albert Finney movie, wherein he played Belgian super-sleuth Hercule Poirot.
"There are too many clues in this room...."
We have not been handed a classic game, nor a stealth families battle like capo.
Suppose NONE of the claimed power roles are a lie -- but all or most have the kind of Achillles' heal displayed by TinCow's role.
2 doctors, 2 detectives, 1 role blocker, 1 necromancer...curioser ad curioser said Alice.
Might only be one or two mafiosi -- and I think the necromancer is one of those (no proof, just intuition). No, I am not saying that Sigurd is lying -- just that the necromancer is laughing because there is something he or she knows that neither we, nor Sigurd, know. Do the dead come back as robots, as townies, or as townies who at a signal are no longer town...mafia win....:inquisitive:
I will need to ponder on the setting here. Snippets of mythology etc. are flashing around in my head.
The Brute with the club by itself is not much -- but with Cerebus and a Lernean hydra present I think this brutish clubber is named Herakles.
TinCow claims Hades as his persona -- yet Hades was both good and bad in his role as lord of the dead as was Arawn -- not demonic per se.
Perhaps I'll have to go through my Greek mythology book or maybe a little of Alghieri's inferno. Something, so far, does not compute.
seireikhaan
03-30-2008, 03:53
"Caius, the council has determined your guilt, for your clearly angelic behavior," Kamikhaan announced. Multiple demons swarmed to Caius and held him down to his knees in front of Kamikhaan. "You're response?" Caius simply stayed kneeled in front of Kamikhaan, saying nothing in return. "Caius, I have no choice but to end your interference in the Netherworld." With that, Kamikhaan took the ancient execution sword, and with one clean stroke, removed Caius' head from his shoulders.
Tally:
BananaBob - 1 (Mak)
Kommodus - 1( Bob,)
pevergreen - 3 (Omanes, Sigurd, Fahad)
TinCow - 4(Seamus, Andres, Kommodus,Woad and Fangs )
Caius - 8 (GH, FH, Ryth, TC, EF, NN, pevergreen, Hannibal )
Andres- 1 (CR)
Killed: 12
Shlin28 (N1)
Warluster (N1)
Scottishranger (N1)
Sigurd Fafnesbane (N2)
Proletariat (N2)
Gibsonsg91921 (N2)
Sasaki Kojiro (N2)
Twilightblade (N3)
Tratorix (N3)
TiberiusoftheDrake (N3)
Drisos (N4)
Ichigo (N4)
Attacked: 2
Fahad I (N3)
Banana Bob (N4)
Lynched: 4
Beefy187 (D1)
TruePraetorian (D2)
Joe Monks (D3)
Caius (D4)
WoG'd: 2
Yaropolk (D3)
Warmaster Horus (D3)
Suicide: 0
Alive: 21
Andres
BannanaBob
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
EliteFerret
FactionHeir
Fahad I
GeneralHankerchief
Hannibalbarc
Kommodus
Makanyane
Mouzafphaerre
Northnovas
Omanes Alexandropolites
pevergreen
Rythmic
Sarathos
Seamus Fermanagh
SigurdFafnesbane
TinCow
woad&fangs
NIGHT ORDERS ARE DUE AT 9:30 P.M./21:30 CST, or 2:30 GMT for Euros.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
03-30-2008, 10:03
I don't like what HannibalBarca did back then - he voted abstain, then, with no new evidence in the meantime, voted for TinCow, and then changed his mind to Caius.
Any reason for this rapid vote changing Hannibal?
Sarathos
03-30-2008, 12:14
Any reason for this rapid vote changing Hannibal?
Bandwagon perhaps...
Hannibalbarc, you seem very very scummy indeed. Please do explain.
I'm starting to get a clearer picture of the town's make-up. It'll be interesting to see who remains after the night phase, as then it will become even clearer. I hope TinCow's resurrection succeeds, some extra pro-town votes will be useful.
Edit: I have a feeling I'll be one of the dead. :sick:
gibsonsg91921
03-30-2008, 14:54
So, who's he resurrecting?
Resurrection vote tally as of post 616:
Shlin: Shlin
Drisos: Only mafia kills, approves of Shlin and himself
EF: Active people
Rythmic: Shlin, gibson, or Ichigo
FH: Active people, approves of Prole
Hannibalbarc: shlin and gibson
woad&fangs: Ichigo
Andres: One mafia victim, one non-mafia victim, prefers Ichigo, Sasaki, and scottishranger
Prole: Prole
Kommodus: Ichigo and gibsong91921
GH: Proletariat and Drisos
gibsons: NOT himself
Sigurd: Sasaki
Summary:
shlin: 4
Ichigo: 4
gibson: 3 (asks not to be resurrected)
Prole:3
Sasaki: 2
Drisos:2
shlin and Ichigo are both tied at 4, but one of the votes for shlin is himself, therefore I will give preference to Ichigo. I could just resurrect them both, but I'm inclined to go with the earlier suggestion of doing one I killed myself and one I did not. Amongst the people I killed myself, Prole is leading with 3 votes. So, I am now submitting orders to resurrect Ichigo and Proletariat tonight.
I will be out for most of the day, but I will be back later this afternoon before the orders deadline. If you guys want to keep discussing this, I will have time to re-check the votes and change my orders later today.
I think Prole should be resurrected
BananaBob
03-30-2008, 21:27
As do I.
pevergreen
03-30-2008, 21:57
Prole and Drisos. :laugh4:
Hope that hurt Ichigo.
Prole and Drisos. :laugh4:
Hope that hurt Ichigo.
Why would it?
pevergreen
03-31-2008, 00:50
I have no idea.
Hannibalbarc
03-31-2008, 02:04
I don't like what HannibalBarca did back then - he voted abstain, then, with no new evidence in the meantime, voted for TinCow, and then changed his mind to Caius.
Any reason for this rapid vote changing Hannibal?
No new evidence, indeed, I just had a feeling that's all, then I thought that maybe I had voted Tincow a little to soon, so I changed it to caius for all the reasons I posted above.
But I still think there is something fishy with Tincow, I guess we will see tomorrow.
seireikhaan
03-31-2008, 03:04
Northnovas hurried along the barren landscape, hoping to arrive at his destination in time. He followed the landmarks dotting the scene, and finally determined this was it. He set up a camp for the night, and began his meditation routine before setting to work. Not long into it, he heard a crunching of dirt from in front of him, and peaked open an eye. Approaching him was a weary, musclebound figure, with a fierce, spiked club hung over its shoulder. Northnovas, aggravated, stepped up from his stance and put himself on guard. Without warning, the new intruder charged towards Northnovas, club raised. Northnovas fell back, leaping onto a small peak jutting outwards from a nearby cliff. The intruder, rather than chasing after him, instead went to the cliff side, and swung its mighty club at it, destroying the very face of the mountainside. Northnovas was just landing on the peak, only to find it crumbling from beneath him, falling to his attacker. The attacker pulled out a short sword from its belt, and hurled it to the falling Northnovas with uncanny accuracy, the blade finding its target true, straight through Northnovas' chest. The intruder climbed of the pile of rubble, to find its victim. After sifting through numerous rocks, it found the body of Northnovas, clearly devoid of any animation. The attacker pulled the short sword out with a sickening sound, stuffed it back into its belt, and left the carnage behind.
FactionHeir was drifting somewhat aimlessly across the landscape, looking for his destination, when he finally discerned it in the distance. As he was closing the gap, however, he was rather interrupted when another character came up alongside him, with a rather friendly demeanor expressed on its face.
“Hello, heading somewhere, FactionHeir?” FactionHeir gave an odd glance to the new being, rather perplexed as he had never quite seen anything like it before. For starters, its blue skin was somewhat concerning. Secondly, its four arms were quite bizarre, a feature which FactionHeir was quite unfamiliar with in any being. Perhaps most concerning though, was the small arsenal of weapons the being held strapped to its back and hips. “Well, will you not even honor me with an answer?”
“Well, yes, I am heading somewhere. Do you have a destination as well?” he responded.
“Why yes, though I believe I've already found it,” the strange being answered.
“What do you mea-” FactionHeir was cut off when he could finally see his destination, that it was practically destroyed. It seemed as though some strange machine had decided to take issue with a nearby mountain, as a side of it seemed to be shorn off. He turned once again to the strange being, and, only by quick reflex, dodged two sword strikes. He bounced backwards, only to just manage to dodge an arrow as well. The attacker was wielding two swords in its hands, as well as a bow and arrow as well.
“Like I said, I've found my target,” the attacker said. It let off another arrow, followed by another, FactionHeir having to dodge continuously, unable to do anything else. The attacker finally dropped the bow and arrow, and with its two now free hands, formed a strange ball of light in each. It hurled one at FactionHeir's feet, and another directly at him. FactionHeir leaped far into the air to dodge the strikes. The attacker, with speed FactionHeir could hardly believe, sprinted towards him, and leaped into the air, both swords drawn. As it flew towards FactionHeir, its two blades began glowing with the same eery light as the previous attacks, and sliced at FactionHeir's helplessly falling body, severing it into three. As the intruder left the mess behind, it smiled and said to itself, “target completed.”
Andres was milling back to his post, very angry that the council did not seem to share his harsh views on some of its members. He consigned himself to the hope that perhaps they would listen tomorrow. He entered through the outer gates of the complex, and began strolling through the corridors to his specific assignment. However, be became quite puzzled when, as he strolled into his post, he found a stranger in his chair, its back to Andres. The only clue was a dark garment worn by it, with a hood covering its head. “Who are you?” Andres questioned.
“Me? Well, that really isn't important, now is it?” the stranger responded. “A better question would be, how long do you think it will take for me to destroy you?” The chair whirled around as the intruder grabbed a scythe which had been leaning against the wall. Andres could now see its face peaking from under the hood, and saw a bizarre and frightening facade. It was, at once, a face which was both beautiful and horrible, graceful yet terrifying. Red eyes seemed to practically glow from under it, and small fangs seemed to be growing from its mouth. Andres immediately turned and ran, hoping to ring the alarm to alert everyone of the intruder's presence. “Aww, how cute. You actually believe you can outrun me? Afraid you're quite mistaken, my friend.” The intruder stated. With a flash, the intruder leaped from the chair, out of the guard post, and down the corridor after Andres. Within two seconds, he was at Andres' side, grinning madly at its prey. “Come now, at least fight back!” the intruder taunted. Andres, still running, took a swing at the intruder, who laughed and danced around Andres, at his other side by the time Andres' hand had completed its arc. The intruder continued its gale of laughter, before spotting the alarm bell farther down the hall. “Well, I'm afraid this is where this ends, Andres.” It took its scythe, and swung it in a downwards arc, cutting through Andres' knees, sending him to the floor. The intruder stood over Andres, and, with a final swing, ended him.
Meanwhile, in a distant and isolated cavern...
The room crudely fashioned out of the rock barely glimmered with a faint light, the light coming from a lone figure. The light revealed two crimson red pentagrams splotched into the earthen floor, set side by side. The figure was moving various parts onto the pentagrams, setting them in specific order on each one. When it finished with this, it began sprinkling a bizarre, vibrant green powder from a small parcel over each of the pentagrams. It then set to work spreading a strange gel over the parts laid on each pentagram, which seemed to cause the various parts to stick together with unnatural force. The process was long and tedious, but finally was accomplished. Now, the figure stood between the pentagrams, a foot in each one, its arms raised, and began loudly echoing a chant. “Blood by blood, flesh by flesh, now I shall reverse each death! Blood by blood, flesh by flesh, now I shall reverse each death!” The chant was repeated, growing louder and louder until it became a near scream. The crimson pentagrams began to shine with an unnatural light. The chant then changed. “Ichigo and Prole, each I recall! Ichigo and Prole, each I recall! The light shone brighter from each one, followed by a ghostly fog which began to emanate from the ground. From it, two barely visible, shadowy figures raced through the cavern, before diving into each of the bodies now assembled on the ground. The chanting subsided, the glow dimmed, and the fog dispersed. The two bodies began to move, slowly climbing from their positions awkwardly. The figure stood before them. “Welcome back, Prole and Ichigo.”
Killed: 15
Shlin28 (N1)
Warluster (N1)
Scottishranger (N1)
Sigurd Fafnesbane (N2)
Proletariat (N2)
Gibsonsg91921 (N2)
Sasaki Kojiro (N2)
Twilightblade (N3)
Tratorix (N3)
TiberiusoftheDrake (N3)
Drisos (N4)
Ichigo (N4)
Northnovas (N5)
FactionHeir (N5)
Andres (N5)
Attacked: 2
Fahad I (N3)
Banana Bob (N4)
Lynched: 4
Beefy187 (D1)
TruePraetorian (D2)
Joe Monks (D3)
Caius (D4)
WoG'd: 2
Yaropolk (D3)
Warmaster Horus (D3)
Suicide: 0
Alive: 20
BannanaBob
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
EliteFerret
Fahad I
GeneralHankerchief
Hannibalbarc
Ichigo
Kommodus
Makanyane
Mouzafphaerre
Omanes Alexandropolites
pevergreen
Proletariat
Rythmic
Sarathos
Seamus Fermanagh
SigurdFafnesbane
TinCow
woad&fangs
ONCE AGAIN, I HUMBLY REQUEST THAT EACH PLAYER UPDATE THE TALLY EVERY TIME THEY VOTE.
seireikhaan
03-31-2008, 04:25
Additionally, I shall tally the vote at 9:30 P.M./21:30 CST, or 2:30 GMT for Euros.
Uh...ok Andres died from the serial killer?!
FactionHeir
03-31-2008, 05:06
Hmmm Ichigo and Prole are not listed under Alive?
pevergreen
03-31-2008, 05:25
Vote: Sarathos
lurking and not talking when you do post.
EDIT:
Tally:
Sarathos 1 (pevergreen)
seireikhaan
03-31-2008, 05:28
Hmmm Ichigo and Prole are not listed under Alive?
Whoops, my bad. Readjusted.
From the kill descriptions I would say we are up against 4 mafiosi who can kill 3.
TinCow's Balrog character did not kill and his promise of two resurrections came true. Also note that it was done in the same fashion as mine.
There were however no attempt on TinCow as the second most voted player and we should conclude that this was just a whim by one of the Godly Mafia in earlier rounds.
I would like some answers from the pro-town liga. Are pevergreen included in this? is he one of the trusted members? He has claimed to have a pro-town role.
I know he is not my rescuer and that makes in my notes a potential of 8 pro-town roles. A bit high considering the necromancing and protection ability of the town. I heard about at least one detective from another player and that makes a powerful town against 4 mafiosi. If all the pro-town roles are genuine, the mafia must have additional powers to make this a balanced game.
for now:
vote: pevergreen
Speak up or send me a pm and I might unvote you.
Very interesting kills.
Are the organised pro-town players 100 % sure that there isn't a mole in the organisation?
FactionHeir
03-31-2008, 11:24
I think pro town should reinvestigate their N1 investigations.
Are the organised pro-town players 100 % sure that there isn't a mole in the organisation?
Interesting idea. Possibly, but hopefully not.
Vote pending pro-town consensus.
Are the organised pro-town players 100 % sure that there isn't a mole in the organisation?
I wonder too..
btw, why aren't any kill attempts made on Ef/Banan/TinCow/Pevergreen, if they're all so protown? :dizzy2:
I think The Mafia didn't hit TinCow or the doctors because they assumed that they would be protected, thus searching for easier targets. That's what I would have done at least. :shrug:
I wonder too..
btw, why aren't any kill attempts made on Ef/Banan/TinCow/Pevergreen, if they're all so protown? :dizzy2:
If the mafia has a spy in the townies network, then they perfectly know who is going to be protected.
If the pro-town network decided not to protect one of the supposed power roles (EF,BananaBob, pever and TC) and said power role was not attacked, then that person needs to be put on serious pressure.
There are only two doctors, they can't protect everyone at once.
There are only two doctors, they can't protect everyone at once.
Which of the "power roles" were not protected last night?
Names will do, no need to tell us their specific roles.
Also, are there "innocent townies" where a detective got an ambiguous result?
The detectives really need to re-read their investigation results very closely.
I agree with the above, my sources indicate some may be "inaccurate".
Edit:
Which of the "power roles" were not protected last night?
Names will do, no need to tell us their specific roles.
I don't see how revealing that will help the town, it'll only help the Mafia (who I'm itching to lynch), as if they can't establish a protection pattern they'll have nothing to go on.
Vote pending pro-town consensus.
Does this imply that you have acces to the pro-town network?
Why not reaching the consensus in the public thread? If the network has been infiltrated, then there's not much point in keeping the discussion "private", is there?
For starters, why were you allowed acces to the network? Are you a townie discovered innocent after investigation (which would imply that we have more then 4 power roles, IIRC, the 4 who already claimed their role, didn't claim detective) or are you power role number 5?
I agree with the above, my sources indicate some may be "inaccurate".
Were those inaccurates granted acces?
Did the self claimed pro-town roles get investigated? Any "inaccurate" results on TC, pever, BananaBob or EF?
Are you a townie discovered innocent after investigation
You answered your own question. I prefer messenger boy. ~D
Edit:
Were those inaccurates granted acces?.
No. None of them.
Did the self claimed pro-town roles get investigated? Any "inaccurate" results on TC, pever, BananaBob or EF?
Most of that is already previously explained.
Most of that is already previously explained.
Hey, I'm already 30 years old and thus senile by definition!
Refresh my memory, you young whippersnapper :whip:
~;p
I agree that there is a mole in the townie group, and I believe it is pevergreen. There are way, way too many problems with last night's events to make it all coincidence. I've got to go to work in a few minutes, but I'll post all the details when I get there. In summary, I will simply say that pevergreen needs to be lynched immediately, because he may have just gained a new power. If he is mafia, we do not want to see what that power can do. Also Makanyane is mafia. I think the town should allow me to kill her tonight. The plan was originally to lynch her today, but pevergreen's betrayal makes me think he should take priority on the lynch to prevent him from using his new power. I'll post in more detail when I get to work.
vote: pevergreen
The concensus was reached. TinCow's post above mirror's my reasoning. Way to much wrong with last night's events, especially the death of Andres.
Vote: pevergreen
Also waiting on a response from my sources.
Edit: FoS: Makanyane
Northnovas
03-31-2008, 12:34
Yes, something was not right last night other then my demise. :thumbsdown:
seireikhaan
03-31-2008, 12:39
I'd like to take this moment to just remind everyone that THE DEAD MAY NOT COMMUNICATE OUTSIDE OF THIS THREAD. PLEASE DO NOT SEND THEM PM'S.
That is all.
I'd like to take this moment to just remind everyone that THE DEAD MAY NOT COMMUNICATE OUTSIDE OF THIS THREAD. PLEASE DO NOT SEND THEM PM'S.
That is all.
Maybe you should add the rule: "Alive players are not allowed to send pm's to the dead.", to avoid any misunderstandings or difficult situations for a dead player.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
03-31-2008, 12:56
Vote: pevergreen
For a combination of my own previously mentioned reasons, and those specified by others.
Makanyane
03-31-2008, 13:21
Great, so apparently mentioning that there are too many pro-town roles to be believable in this gets you killed. Me and Andres were the most sceptical when they started popping up, Andres is now dead, and I'm apparently next on the hit list - after TinCow took a whole one night off from killing.....
I suppose there is still some vague chance someone is just feeding TC wrong info, so
vote:abstain
for now.
As all claimed pro-town roles and their buddies seem to be deep in private conversation somewhere I guess they can figure out who's what between themselves. I don't have any idea left at the moment.
If the "pro-town" group got infiltrated, then I see not much point of keeping the discussion private.
You are only excluding other townies at the moment, the mafia already knows what you were/are discussing.
If the "pro-town" group got infiltrated, then I see not much point of keeping the discussion private.
You are only excluding other townies at the moment, the mafia already knows what you were/are discussing.
It is only a suspicion, not at all a certainty. If the pro-town was not infiltrated, giving this link to the public would then surely give the mafia this information.
I say keep it all under wraps... and I do hope the pro-town group have detective results on pever and Makanyane.
GeneralHankerchief
03-31-2008, 13:36
Vote: pevergreen
Tally:
pevergreen: 5 (Sigurd, TinCow, Rythmic, Omanes, GH)
Sarathos: 1 (pevergreen)
Abstain: 1 (Makanyane)
I think this is the right tally, anyway.
It is only a suspicion, not at all a certainty. If the pro-town was not infiltrated, giving this link to the public would then surely give the mafia this information.
Did you get acces to the townie network?
Any word from your Necromancer?
Did you get acces to the townie network? NOPE.
Any word from your Necromancer? YEP.
YEP.
Does your Necromancer have acces to the townie network?
Ok, here’s the deal. Northnovas was the The Great Djinn. He was the role blocker and the person I came in contact with early on. Northnovas contacted Rythmic early on based on his good analysis in the public thread. It was a risk, but one he thought worth taking. This allowed us to contact him during D3, when my neck was on the line. At some point in that day’s discussion, pevergreen was included in it. I think Northnovas was the one who first contacted him, but I can’t remember for sure. I’ll look back through my PMs if you think it is important.
In any case, a quicktopic forum was set up to all NN, Rythmic, pever, and myself to communicate. I came clean in that forum with everything I knew at the time. pever claimed to be a mafia mole. As information came out, he claimed to be the #2 Voter killer, but said that was a ruse he made up to convince the mafia of his sincerity and that he could kill anyone he wanted. He claimed that after a certain number of kills, he would get the identities of all the mafia members. Given the nature of my own role, I was inclined to believe this at the time.
However, pever’s story started breaking down quickly. At first he said his role prevented him from giving us any mafia names until he got more kills. Then he suddenly told us that NN should block Makanyane, who was mafia. NN did so on N3 and got a confirmed success, showing that Mak was indeed active at night. pever told us that she had attacked Andres and that she was very annoyed that she got blocked. That night pever attacked BananaBob, who was the #2 vote recipient.
So, last night we concluded that pever’s situation was becoming untenable. The #2 voter thing was obvious to the town and the #2 voter would always be protected by a doctor. That meant he would never reach his required kills for his mafia reveal through #2 voter kills. So, we encouraged pever to give up the game and attack Mak last night, because we thought we had enough pro-town assets to win through normal methods. pever said his role prevented him from attacking Mak and that he would be WoGed if he did so. By this point, we had a nice list which showed our thoughts on who was guilty and who was innocent. The only confirmed guilty we had was Mak, but Sarathos was a high probability guilty. So, pever himself said that he would kill Sarathos.
As we all know, that did not happen and he instead killed Andres, who was on our confirmed innocent list. During the same night, Northnovas (role blocker) was killed, along with FactionHeir, who we had recently discovered was a Detective. This cannot be a coincidence. pevergreen lied about his target, switched his target from probably guilty to confirmed innocent, at the same time as two confirmed pro-town roles were hit by the mafia. At the same time, neither of the doctors were attacked. We had concluded that it was most important for the doctors to protect each other, since their identities were known. It was assumed that the mafia would expect pever to attack me (#2 votes) and that one of the doctors would thus protect me. Any sane mafia player would thus have wanted both doctors attacked last night, because it would guarantee the death of one and make the other completely vulnerable for the next night. Since we knew pever would not be attacking me, the doctors were free to protect each other from the expected mafia attack. The fact that neither doctor was hit, and instead two other pro-town roles were killed, implies that the mafia knew exactly who would be protected and who wouldn’t.
At the same time, pevergreen has been constantly talking about how he needs a certain number of kills to get a new ability. His statements have been a bit vague, but it is either 3 or 4 kills. I think last night’s kill of Andres was his third. If he needed 3 kills to get his new ability, he now has it. Thus, we need to lynch pevergreen immediately to prevent him from using any ability he might have gained last night.
Also, I am not positive, but I am inclined to believe that Mak really is mafia. Either pever gave us true information to allow us to believe him, or he is an independent operator (serial killer?) and didn't care if we knew. In any case, Mak really did attempt a night action and was successfully blocked by NN. Unless she has a really, really good pro-town explanation, I think we should conclude that she is mafia and I request to be allowed to kill her tonight.
Kommodus
03-31-2008, 14:15
It all adds up.
Vote: pevergreen
And next night, the liar Makanyane. :2thumbsup:
BTW TinCow, why did/do you consider Sarathos a high-probability scum?
pevergreen
03-31-2008, 14:17
Reveal Time:
Greetings, I am Lucifer the Deceiver.
You are currently one of the God's most beautiful and powerful angels, yet you are also very ambitious as well.
I've been sent with "mafia members names" to blah blah blah (kill everyone to win)
However, you have an additional path layed before you.
I can go rogue. After 3 kills, I am one step closer to becoming the right hand man of Kamikhaan. however, if i do, new rules:
I must not reveal the names of the mafia,
I may also not attempt to kill any of your former mafia mates as well
Not until there would be 8 or fewer players left would I be allowed to attack or reveal them.
The choice is mine...
Up until now my mafia friends have been thinking that I have been off using some ficticious special ability which allows me to flip the results of investigations. However, as I am beautiful, I do rather enjoy my scythe.
I have stayed completely within the guidelines, I havent said anyone is mafia, I merely said I thought x person should be blocked, or y person should be killed.
There are more mafia than you think. Quite a few left...
So, we encouraged pever to give up the game and attack Mak last night, because we thought we had enough pro-town assets to win through normal methods. pever said his role prevented him from attacking Mak and that he would be WoGed if he did so. By this point, we had a nice list which showed our thoughts on who was guilty and who was innocent. The only confirmed guilty we had was Mak, but Sarathos was a high probability guilty. So, pever himself said that he would kill Sarathos.
General gist of my post was:
I cannot attack Mak. I cannot reveal why. It is against my role to do so, if i did, i would be instantly WOGGED.
Tomorrow night i will kill Sarathos.
So yeah.
One thing I am certain of now, is that Kamikhaan has confirmed I may be voted for and killed by my mafia team mates. And i cant do anything against it yet.
Thats my role.
BananaBob
03-31-2008, 14:28
vote: pevergreen
It was useless to kill Andres man... you lost my trust.
FoS:Makayane
pevergreen
03-31-2008, 14:31
How many mafia do you think you have gotten?
Not even 1/3...
That includes me if im lynched today.
I've revealed, what else do you want.
FactionHeir
03-31-2008, 14:33
I think maybe all town should reveal and make sure we lynch the right guys? Looks like pever will bust the pro town group one way or another before he dies.
I may also not attempt to kill any of your former mafia mates as well
Then why did you even suggest killing Sarathos in the first place? You were the one who volunteered to kill him, none of us ever even mentioned his name.
At the time you decided to pick your kill, our top suspects (other than Mak) were Crazed Rabbit, Fahad I, Sarathos, woad&fangs, and Mouzafphaerre. If you couldn't kill Sarathos, why didn't you at least pick one of the other suspects instead of one of the few actual confirmed innocents?! Even if ALL of them are mafia, you could have at least pick a "probable" innocent instead of a confirmed. There was absolutely no pro-town reason at all for you to target Andres last night. At least I tried to go after someone who had some shred of evidence against them or who was a potential WoG. You went right for someone we knew to be innocent.
Proletariat
03-31-2008, 14:37
pevergreen has to go because of this Andres business.
Vote: pevergreen
Tally
pevergreen: 5 (Sigurd, TinCow, Rythmic, Omanes, GH, Kommodus, BananaBob, Prole)
Sarathos: 1 (pevergreen)
Abstain: 1 (Makanyane)
FactionHeir
03-31-2008, 14:39
To give pever some credit, he did indirectly reveal Mak and Sarathos to us.
So we only need to investigate the rest.
pevergreen
03-31-2008, 14:42
Yup lynch Sarathos. He's mafia. Mak is same as Sarathos.
:shrug: Looks like my game is over.
I killed Andres because he was annoying me. No reason outside of that.
All i want is one more night. You gave TinCow that.
There are a few on the possibles, you could have been so kind as to narrow it down for us that way.
pevergreen
03-31-2008, 14:59
Im not sure, thats still revealing who it is.
I will, if i survive.
Kommodus
03-31-2008, 15:02
Pretty cool role, pevergreen - nice one, kamikhaan! :bow:
Of course, I'm not sure what pevergreen was hoping to accomplish with that reveal - certainly not to get out of the noose, since his role is obviously and openly a powerful anti-town role. We lynch him tonight, Makanyane next, and we get rid of two killers quickly. We should have enough pro-town power left to win without any supposed "help" from pevergreen. :inquisitive:
Pretty cool role, pevergreen - nice one, kamikhaan! :bow:
Of course, I'm not sure what pevergreen was hoping to accomplish with that reveal - certainly not to get out of the noose, since his role is obviously and openly a powerful anti-town role. We lynch him tonight, Makanyane next, and we get rid of two killers quickly. We should have enough pro-town power left to win without any supposed "help" from pevergreen. :inquisitive:
Do you know if someone bothered to investigate you?
EDIT: To TC and the other participants in the "townie network": if I was a confirmed innocent, then why was I not granted acces to your discussion forum?
BananaBob
03-31-2008, 15:08
Fahad I cant be Mafia. pevergreen tried to kill him, and he is not allowed to kill mafia.
If we base our logic on the fact that pevergreen and TinCow is telling the truth,
facts:
Two pro-town roles were killed last night and both were named in the pro-town forum - killed by the big guy with a club and the shapeshifter?.
pever claims to be the handsome, red-eyed, floating, scythe killer.
pever killed Sasaki (N2), attacked Fahad I, (N3) attacked Banana Bob (N4) and killed Andres (N5). could he be Shlin's killer on N1? That would put pever with 2 kills possibly 3. Still one short of 4 which TinCow needed to get extra power.
My killer has not made another attempt and it seems I was the only one killed by this winged and glowing swordsman/woman.
I notice however that the burly guy has killed all other nights but the one the angel appeared.
If pever is not part of the mafia then we could assume that the mafia only are able to kill two every night.
If Shlin's killer is the same as FactionHeir's (two blades) that the angel and the burly creature are mafia together with the shapeshifter, we have 4 mafiosi and pever as a potential fifth.
But that shoots holes in the N3 block of Makanyane since both the shapeshifter and the burly guy made succesful kills.
What happened on N4? any succesful blocks? only the burly guy made a kill attempt together with TinCow and pever.
EDIT: To TC and the other participants in the "townie network": if I was a confirmed innocent, then why was I not granted acces to your discussion forum?
We never discussed it, but as far as I was concerned you were a townie and couldn't bring any additional powers to the table. The more people that know, the more likely there is to be a leak. That's just my feelings, though, I can't speak for the others. We think we have found a few more pro-town roles, and we've made a new forum to converse securely in. I expect that the other pro-town roles will be given access to the new forum.
EDIT: To TC and the other participants in the "townie network": if I was a confirmed innocent, then why was I not granted acces to your discussion forum?
I think it was the middle of the night for everyone but me, so by the time they made a decision it was too late. :embarassed:
pever killed Sasaki (N2), attacked Fahad I, (N3) attacked Banana Bob (N4) and killed Andres (N5). could he be Shlin's killer on N1? That would put pever with 2 kills possibly 3. Still one short of 4 which TinCow needed to get extra power.
In his reveal, pever stated he needed 3 kills, not 4.
My killer has not made another attempt and it seems I was the only one killed by this winged and glowing swordsman/woman.
I notice however that the burly guy has killed all other nights but the one the angel appeared.
But that shoots holes in the N3 block of Makanyane since both the shapeshifter and the burly guy made succesful kills.
What happened on N4? any succesful blocks? only the burly guy made a kill attempt together with TinCow and pever.
NN blocked Makanyane again on N5. Presumably it worked, though he's dead and can't tell us. I have been operating under the assumption that Mak is the angel killer, and she hasn't reappeared because of NN's two consecutive blocks.
In his reveal, pever stated he needed 3 kills, not 4.
OK...
NN blocked Makanyane again on N5. Presumably it worked, though he's dead and can't tell us. I have been operating under the assumption that Mak is the angel killer, and she hasn't reappeared because of NN's two consecutive blocks.
Who did he block on N4?
Also, why would we wait until only 8 players remain! That's far to risky, lets end this while we have the weight of numbers.
Shouldn't we lynch Makanyane first then?
It seems like she's definitely some sort of angel (and aren't angels supposed to be our arch enemies), while pever looks like some sort of evil god (Lucifer aka Satan?)?
pevergreen
03-31-2008, 15:27
Ive chosen the path to pro-town?
That was the other choice I had, apart from staying with the mafia.
Who did he block on N4?
NN blocked Mak on both N4 and N5.
Right... Northnovas blocked Makanyane on N3, N4 and N5.
So my next question would be to pever; did you supply the names of Northnovas and FactionHeir to your mafia buddies?
Kommodus
03-31-2008, 15:35
Shouldn't we lynch Makanyane first then?
It seems like she's definitely some sort of angel (and aren't angels supposed to be our arch enemies), while pever looks like some sort of evil god (Lucifer aka Satan?)?
Apparently this is the "pre-fall" Lucifer, who was in fact sent with the angels. I see no evidence that he has in fact chosen to go pro-town. There isn't much difference whether we lynch Mak tonight or tomorrow night.
Ive chosen the path to pro-town?
That was the other choice I had, apart from staying with the mafia.
Well to your credit you did indirectly lead us to 2 Mafioso, and one hint I overlooked ages ago. So now we have three names:
Makanyane
Sarathos
Woad&Fangs
Leaving probably one Mafia suspect.
Right... Northnovas blocked Makanyane on N3, N4 and N5.
No, he just blocked her on N4 and N5. His blocks were:
N1: Sasaki
N2: gibson
N3: Count Arach
N4: Makanyane
N5: Makanyane
pevergreen
03-31-2008, 15:41
Lynch Mak this phase, let me have this night and I get my pro-town based abilities. The evidence I splinter away from the mafia comes with my third kill, or so I am told.
N1 I did nothing, the mafia killed Shlin.
Well to your credit you did indirectly lead us to 2 Mafioso, and one hint I overlooked ages ago. So now we have three names:
Makanyane
Sarathos
Woad&Fangs
Leaving probably one Mafia suspect.
Another thing that is bothering me is: pever could have named all the mafia and gotten only the WoD as punishment.
Gamebreaker truly, but a townie hero all the same.
Pever did answer me when I put my vote on him. apparently his new power will be that of removing several players from the game in one go. TinCow knows this. Are we willing to take that chance with pever? He could as he says be pro-town and kill the mafia, or he could still be pro-mafia and remove several pro-town.
IMO too risky...
No, he just blocked her on N4 and N5. His blocks were:
N1: Sasaki
N2: gibson
N3: Count Arach
N4: Makanyane
N5: Makanyane
I am quoting your previous post:
Then he suddenly told us that NN should block Makanyane, who was mafia. NN did so on N3 and got a confirmed success, showing that Mak was indeed active at night.
I take it you made a mistake?
It's also that his conditions say that it only comes to effect when 8 players are left, at the moment we have 20. Is it worth the risk of waiting till there are only 8 players left in the game?
Also it would be truly ironic if Lucifer/Satan got prodded to death by his own (eventual) demons. :beam:
I take it you made a mistake?
Yep, sorry. Got N3 and N4 mixed up. The N1 through N3 results were provided to me via PM by NN, since the townie forum didn't exist then. N4 results were posted in the forum. We don't know the N5 results, since he died, we just know that he submitted orders to block Mak. NN said that the N1 and N3 results (Sasaki and CA) indicated that neither did anything those night. He said the N2 results were inconclusive since gibson died. N4 was a success against Mak. We have no info on N5 results.
pevergreen
03-31-2008, 15:54
Then at least let me live one more night phase.
Then lynch me tomorrow.
It does certainly appear as though Mak is mafia.
Tonight I will attempt to kill (If i am still alive) Sarathos. Regardless that it will most likely kill me.
At least let me try to kill him. Personal revenge.
Lucifer was indeed the father of lies and we should take everthing pever says with a pinch of salt. This is like the role I had for Reeink Roink in Midgard saga where he played Loke, the Norse God of tricks.
Like anyone would hold good the things Loke said...
8 players left? not a chance, he will gain the power and use it if he survives this lynch.
The question would be: will he use it in the interest of the town? And the question of who provided the mafia with the names of Northnovas and FactionHeir has not been answered... and he did attack Banana Bob and killed Andres.
pevergreen
03-31-2008, 16:07
I attacked Banana Bob as he had the second most votes, I wanted to create that illusion.
I hadnt seen any proof Andres was innocent besides other people telling me that he was, and he was annoying me.
EDIT: I'll make a deal. Let me live this night and let me kill Sarathos, and i will prevent the remaining multitude of mafia from killing anyone tonight, then reveal them tomorrow and be wogged or i will suicide or be lynched. Thats all i ask.
How exactly did I annoy you pevergreen?
Lynch pever, kill Mak tonight, then take care of woad&fangs (pever can't attack mafia at this stage, yet he wants to attack Sarathos next night ergo Sarathos is not mafia?)
Northnovas
03-31-2008, 16:29
Do you know if someone bothered to investigate you?
EDIT: To TC and the other participants in the "townie network": if I was a confirmed innocent, then why was I not granted acces to your discussion forum?
Andres when I contacted you it wasn't confirm and I was waiting for this day phase to ask the network.
For the record I made no deal with the devil and didn't invite pevergreen to the network.:laugh4:
I say, lynch Makanyane, and see what happens with Pever's promises for the night. Meanwhile TC can use his kill ability on whoever town decides to be the third most suspicious person.
Oh and EF and BananaBob, just an idea, either of you protect TinCow, and the other of you protect that first doctor. Do this just between the two of you so the mafia mole will not know which one of you will be protected.
FactionHeir
03-31-2008, 16:38
I think it sounds fair to lynch someone we cannot control rather than one we can.
We can control pever, so he might try to kill mafia or not kill at all tonight, which is better than lynching him and losing another townie.
pevergreen
03-31-2008, 16:48
In that light, some unvotes please?
Vote: Mak
Sasaki Kojiro
03-31-2008, 17:04
makanye seems like the better lynch
Hannibalbarc
03-31-2008, 17:54
I think it's fair to give Pever another night, provided he tries to kill Sarathos, if he fails and dies trying then we don't have to lynch him(and we will know that Sarathos is mafia) and can lynch Sarathos tomorrow, also we did give Tincow another chance, if Pevergreen succeeds in his mission then we can lynch him tomorrow, so vote Mak
Also, it seems I was wrong to suspect you Tincow.
We should definitely not give pever any more time, because by his own admission the only people he can kill are townies. He says trying to kill a mafia will WoG him, so if he attacks a mafia he will die and the mafia will not. In addition, he claims he cannot give us any more information until there are 8 or fewer players left. That means that by his own statements, pever can only kill townies from now until near the end of the game. I cannot imagine any situation in which that would be acceptable. If you let pever off tonight, at a minimum he will kill another townie and he could possibly do even worse if he has access to a new ability. The only other possibility is that pever will voluntarily get himself WoGed. If he didn't mind dying, then he would just let himself be lynched right now. He wants to live, so he won't get himself WoGed.
Mouzafphaerre
03-31-2008, 18:30
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As a simple townsdemon trying to make an honest unliving I have no freaking idea what this pro-town network is, so
FoS: Pro-town Network
Vote: Abstain
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Northnovas
03-31-2008, 19:11
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As a simple townsdemon trying to make an honest unliving I have no freaking idea what this pro-town network is, so
FoS: Pro-town Network
Vote: Abstain
.
The network was set up to let the townies formulate some planning without the mafia knowing. Otherwise everything would be in the thread.
GeneralHankerchief
03-31-2008, 20:04
Right, as a hoster I have a problem with anything that's game-breaking, no matter the result. The first goal of any mafia game is to make it enjoyable, the second is a victory for your side. We should all play fair, but go crazy within the confines of fair play.
That said, I'm not unvoting pevergreen. Frankly, he's pulled off this kind of thing way too often in the past and I don't trust him one bit. Keep him alive, there's the chance he could defect and seriously screw the town over. Kill him off, keep protection on TinCow while he vigs the remaining suspects in coordination with our lynch efforts.
if Sarathos is mafia and pever cannot kill mafia then why is he claiming to kill sarathos tonight. Surely that means Sarathos cannot be mafia. He also stated that sarathos is in the same post that he said he cannot reveal the mafia to anyone, or he will be WoGed. This doesn't add up and no-one else in the pro-town network was not confirmed. I wondered why you had been let in when I first saw the thread.
vote:pevergreen
The network was set up to let the townies formulate some planning without the mafia knowing. Otherwise everything would be in the thread.
But that means the power-town control what the townies would do, without consulting them, leaving a significant amount of townies with nothing to do...
I (ghost) DEMAND A DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM FOR TOWNS-DEMONS TO CO-ORDINATE THE TOWNIE EFFORT!
I think it's pretty obvious that we can't trust pever. He killed Andres because he was annoying him. He could kill anyone else next, so I think he needs to go.
Vote:pever
But that means the power-town control what the townies would do, without consulting them, leaving a significant amount of townies with nothing to do...
I (ghost) DEMAND A DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM FOR TOWNS-DEMONS TO CO-ORDINATE THE TOWNIE EFFORT!
They can vote...
seireikhaan
03-31-2008, 21:34
ATTENTION ALL:
PEVERGREEN IS, AS OF NOW, WOG'D FROM THIS GAME AND BANNED FROM ANY AND ALL OF MY FUTURE GAMES UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE, FOR VIOLATION OF RULES AND CONDUCT WHICH I HAD OUTLINED TO HIM. ALL VOTES FOR PEVERGREEN ARE HEREBY DECLARED NULL AND VOID, AND WOULD IT WOULD BE WISE TO REASSIGN THEM ELSEWHERE.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-31-2008, 21:40
In that case, I'll just
Vote: Abstain
for the moment, while I try to absorb this.
Makanyane
03-31-2008, 21:53
I was just reading this trying to work out where all claims were coming from and thought I was getting somewhere figuring it out.... but host now seems to be doing his best to incriminate me too...
Can I point out to my fellow demons that just because pevergreen has apparently been a naughty boy in some respect or other, that doesn't make his 'reveal' true!
BananaBob
03-31-2008, 21:53
Unvote:pevergreen Vote:Makanyane
I was just reading this trying to work out where all claims were coming from and thought I was getting somewhere figuring it out.... but host now seems to be doing his best to incriminate me too...
Can I point out to my fellow demons that just because pevergreen has apparently been a naughty boy in some respect or other, that doesn't make his 'reveal' true!
You were blocked twice. One was a success and the other was afaik unconfirmed either way. What about that?
GeneralHankerchief
03-31-2008, 22:01
Right, this seems to be a disturbing trend.
Unvote: pevergreen
Vote: Abstain
Tentative.
That sucks, since it breaks the game a bit. Still, we were going to lynch Mak anyway, so it's not a major break.
Unvote: pevergreen
Vote: Makanyane
BananaBob
03-31-2008, 22:09
As far as the Pro-Town network knows, the mafia is Mak, Sarathos and W&F. We deducted most of this ourselves, with only slight clues from pevergreen. I recommend that we systematically vote them out and spend our resources killing them at the night faze.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-31-2008, 22:09
CSI: Netherworld
Killer One – Herakles
Described as brutish/brawny, uses massive and/or spiked club; N5 took down whole mountainside! Power in great supply.
Struck on N1 (Warluster), N3 (Twilightblade), N4 (Ichigo), N5 (NorthNovas).
N2 there was no club killing.
Killer Two – Kaalrati
Harder to pin this one down; I’m assuming that the consistent theme here is shape-shifting/deception. Described as blue & 4 armed on N5, beautiful demoness/animalistic N3, strange spirit with many tails N2, and POSSIBLY many swords on N1.
Struck on N1 (shlin) tentative, N2 (gibs), N3 (trat), N5 (factionheir)
N4 there was no shapeshifter kill.
Killer Three – Grim Reaper (Cronos?) [claimed by pevergreen]
Described as a scythe killer; talked fatalistically and tauntingly with victims. This suggests not only death, but cruelty in the killing.
Struck on N2 (Sasaki), N3 (Fahad – protected), N4 (BabanaBob – protected), N5 (Andres).
Killer Four – Balrog [claimed by TinCow as Hades]
Described as wielding a jet black sword and whip (usually of fire) though sometimes fire comes from the being itself.
Struck on N1 (Scott), N2 (Proletariat), N3 (Tiberius), N4 (Drisos).
Killer Five – Archangel (may not be separate killer)
Described as winged angel with sword; I do not hold with tying this killer and the club killer together.
Struck on N2 (Sigurd)
Note: We must explore the possibility that one or more of the killers may have switched/altered motifs in order to sow confusion or even just at a whim. Such a motif must remain constant in capo, but no such dictate has been noted by Kami.
Second Note: After a good bit of google-fu and some old fashioned reading, I have determined that no one mythos or underworld tradition can be assumed to have primacy in this game. I have noted elements of Hebraic, Hindustani, Christian, Greco-Roman, and quite possibly Tolkienesque lore and must deduce that Kami's effort is a melange of his own device.
Makanyane
03-31-2008, 22:12
You were blocked twice. One was a success and the other was afaik unconfirmed either way. What about that?
I certainly don't have any results to say I was blocked twice. No little message to say I woke up with a headache this morning.... (I was a role blocker in Capo and according to Seamus the 'blockee' would have that message - I don't know if Kami does it the same way - though maybe not actually doing anything to be blocked means you don't get to know..... :wall: )
What I was about to point out before pever got WoG'd was according to TinCow's earlier post NN introduced pever to the town group.... and the claimed results are from NN, leading me to think they might have been up to something together.
NN turning up dead makes him look genuine, but I'm not sure if the Club killer could be a serial killer. That was what I was trying to look up before I spotted pever's WoG. Seeing as we're now degenerating into chaos and I seem to be replacement public enemy number one, I'll let someone else do the hard work in checking that.
good night my fellow demons - do try and apply some thought to things from now on - and don't invite too many mafia to your private parties
OOC: I really, really hope this game has not been ruined. It's a very, very enjoyable and fun game. Congrats kamikhaan, you're doing a wonderful job :2thumbsup: (allthough I'm getting the feeling that your dark side is messing with our heads very badly.To be honest, I hardly have a clue about what's going on at the moment).
Now, back to pretending like I know what I'm doing :smash:
Makanyane, I think you should reveal whatever role you have. Otherwise, you'll end up lynched.
Makanyane, I think you should reveal whatever role you have. Otherwise, you'll end up lynched.
I agree, because you're either mafia or some sort of pro-town role. I'm not buying that you're just a regular demon.
Crazed Rabbit
03-31-2008, 22:57
vote: Makayane
No ordinary demon does anything during the night but torture souls.
Also, why are TC and gang suspicious of me?
CR
Seamus Fermanagh
03-31-2008, 23:18
vote: Makayane
No ordinary demon does anything during the night but torture souls.
Also, why are TC and gang suspicious of me?
CR
Not sure...
Possibly your voting pattern: Sasaki (voted early then let ride), Kommo (push vote though you know holmes doesn't work that fast), No Vote (during the TinCow/Bob/Joe tightly contested vote), Kommo (this one was a correctly timed pressure vote), Mak (hardly a decisive choice given post-pever trends);
Possibly because of your semi-lurking style in this game, even though you're posting normally in the Backroom and posting about even count wise with others in Castle; or
Possibly because you are "der Uber-Bunny" and people fear you! :devilish:
Crazed Rabbit
03-31-2008, 23:23
Heehee, I never really thought of myself as a great mafia player, but I think the only time I've lost as Mafia is in Capo I (of course, I haven't been mafia all that often). And people seem to think I'm really tricky or something.
CR
OOC: You know, the more I think about the situation, the less comfortable I get with it. The town should win by skill, not WoG. What is essentially about to happen is that the mafia are going to lose two members in a day phase, possibly followed by a third in the night phase, if the town wants me to do a vigilante kill. That's going to be pretty much all she wrote right there and it seems unfair.
pevergreen was clearly going to be lynched anyway and it seemed like everyone was in favor of allowing me to vig kill Makanyane in N6. So, the end result is the same, but it will slightly delay the mafia's death and give them a fighting chance. I would like to propose that kamikhaan simply cancel the lynch vote for today's day phase. pevergreen's WoG will essentially be the lynch and the game will proceed from there. I would feel far better about winning under those conditions than if we essentially lynch two right here before they can respond.
Sarathos
03-31-2008, 23:28
Back again guys, I have finally finished all my exams (study explains my absence) and all my holiday time is devoted to the .Org.
Well this was going to be an explaination post, but since pever got himself banned I think I might still live.
Firstly may I ask why I was considered to be possible mafia? Apart from pever's want to kill me, which he said himself was only personal. But what have I done to be considered scum. I wasn't exactly lurking, I just couldn't contribute as much as I liked but now thats over I am back in.
As for Vote:Makayane, why couldn't pever attack you?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-31-2008, 23:39
OOC: You know, the more I think about the situation, the less comfortable I get with it. The town should win by skill, not WoG. What is essentially about to happen is that the mafia are going to lose two members in a day phase, possibly followed by a third in the night phase, if the town wants me to do a vigilante kill. That's going to be pretty much all she wrote right there and it seems unfair.
pevergreen was clearly going to be lynched anyway and it seemed like everyone was in favor of allowing me to vig kill Makanyane in N6. So, the end result is the same, but it will slightly delay the mafia's death and give them a fighting chance. I would like to propose that kamikhaan simply cancel the lynch vote for today's day phase. pevergreen's WoG will essentially be the lynch and the game will proceed from there. I would feel far better about winning under those conditions than if we essentially lynch two right here before they can respond.
I don't see how it makes a difference really.
Kommodus
04-01-2008, 01:40
Unvote: pevergreen
Vote: Makanyane
Having read NN's kill description, I do not believe his identity as a role-blocker could be anything but genuine. Pevergreen's betrayal is indeed a tough break for the mafia, and it does seem that his violation of the rules has significantly damaged them, but as long as the game is to continue this is the clear way to go.
TinCow, it's a nice thought, but town is going to win anyway. (:2thumbsup: )
If you really feel bad, you can choose not to murder anything this night. that will 'even up the stats'.. one death extra by wog, one less in the night.
However, it doesn't matter. Victory is yours. I think pever was one om 'em. ~:) :2thumbsup: :skull:
However, it doesn't matter. Victory is yours. I think pever was one om 'em. ~:) :2thumbsup: :skull:
I thought you said you thought we should keep pever alive?
seireikhaan
04-01-2008, 02:22
Okay....
I'm going to adopt the idea proposed by Tincow. There will not be a lynch for this day. Terribly sorry for wasting your time.
Anyways, I want orders for night by 9:00 PM/21:00 CST, or 2:00 GMT for Euros.
Alright, in that case I am stating right now that it is my intention to kill Makanyane tonight. If the town does not want me to do this, you should make your sentiments known before the deadline.
Makanyane
04-01-2008, 07:59
gee, why would the town not want you to re-start killing poor average demon's in their caves?
I don't see anyway I can convince you lot that you're off on the wrong path though so I'll shut up and await my fate. :balloon2:
FactionHeir
04-01-2008, 09:39
I think we need to go back and evaluate what pever said. He mentioned that he couldn't even vote for his fellow mafiosi, but why are our other suspects all voting for Makanyane? Something isn't quite right if he wasn't lying.
Since NN is dead, he can't give more information, but is it possible that he will get a success even if Makanyane did nothing at night (i.e. success block, but no action actually taken)
the fact that pever was WoGed proves that Sarathos is mafia then as he was the only one pever stated as being so. Perhaps we should kill him tonight if there are any doubts about Mak. Or just kill her and be done with the foul angel :P
Since the game is allowed to continue I am forced to believe that pever only gave us part of the mafia. Maybe only one true Mafioso. I would think this is Makanyane if we believe TinCow and his pro-town network.
The mafia should be able to win else this game is broke.
I thought you said you thought we should keep pever alive?
Yeah, but just to be 100% sure about it. It was kind of obvious that he was probably mafia, but in case he wasn't we'd lynch a powerful role, so that's why I insisted on him being let alive. (Same case with TinCow, remember? ~:) ) With TinCow too, at some point I couldn't believe all of it anymore, and wanted to lynch him.. I was obviously wrong on him though.
I think we need to go back and evaluate what pever said. He mentioned that he couldn't even vote for his fellow mafiosi, but why are our other suspects all voting for Makanyane? Something isn't quite right if he wasn't lying.
I'm inclined to believe that pever was telling the truth about his role. I was voting for him mainly because, even if he was telling the truth and truly did intend to betray the mafia, his role seemed absurdly dangerous to the town. If pever was telling the truth, then he did not have a typical mafia role and the restrictions that existed on him would not exist for the other mafioso. I expect the mafia can vote for each other without problems.
For the moment, the only person I consider confirmed mafioso is Makanyane. This is because of NN's successful block on N4 (still unexplained by Mak) and pever's WoG. The rest will require a bit more discussion.
Northnovas
04-01-2008, 12:35
For the moment, the only person I consider confirmed mafioso is Makanyane. This is because of NN's successful block on N4 (still unexplained by Mak) and pever's WoG. The rest will require a bit more discussion.
Yes, stick with what we know and eliminate the known before moving on to another suspect(s).
Makanyane
04-01-2008, 13:39
I'm inclined to believe that pever was telling the truth about his role. I was voting for him mainly because, even if he was telling the truth and truly did intend to betray the mafia, his role seemed absurdly dangerous to the town. If pever was telling the truth, then he did not have a typical mafia role and the restrictions that existed on him would not exist for the other mafioso. I expect the mafia can vote for each other without problems.
For the moment, the only person I consider confirmed mafioso is Makanyane. This is because of NN's successful block on N4 (still unexplained by Mak) and pever's WoG. The rest will require a bit more discussion.
I haven't got a role that I can reveal to explain the apparent blocking results. People keeping on asking same same question isn't going to change that answer. :wall:
You were claiming earlier that it was a N4 and N5 block - that seems to not being mentioned now - is that due to the inconvenient fact that there wasn't a killer who was missing on N4 and N5 ? Only vague possibility looking at Seamus's CSI analysis would have been Sigurd's killer but that didn't make any other kills at all, block or no block.....
Looking back at pever's posts it seems pretty clear that he's been lying to some extent at least to try and save his own neck. The only question is how much.... When he started pleading for one more night he said (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1877164&postcount=692)
I attacked Banana Bob as he had the second most votes, I wanted to create that illusion.
I hadnt seen any proof Andres was innocent besides other people telling me that he was, and he was annoying me.
EDIT: I'll make a deal. Let me live this night and let me kill Sarathos, and i will prevent the remaining multitude of mafia from killing anyone tonight, then reveal them tomorrow and be wogged or i will suicide or be lynched. Thats all i ask.
where even in his version of his role does it imply he can possibly stop the mafia killing? Its not as though he could go and have a quick chat with them to say 'pretty please', if he had actually just revealed me them publicly in the game thread.
You were claiming earlier that it was a N4 and N5 block - that seems to not being mentioned now - is that due to the inconvenient fact that there wasn't a killer who was missing on N4 and N5 ? Only vague possibility looking at Seamus's CSI analysis would have been Sigurd's killer but that didn't make any other kills at all, block or no block.....
Not true, Sigurd's killer is a major contender for that role and I concluded that was you a while ago. The 'angel' killer did not kill on N1, only N2. That implies either an inability to kill every night or an intentional avoidance of a kill, either way, the lack of an 'angel' kill on N3 is not surprising. N4 and N5 you were blocked, thus preventing you from killing again.
In addition, there's also the inconvenient fact that pever posted your mafia quicktopic response after you were blocked on N4. That's how we knew your target was Andres. Since quoting like pever did is against the rules, I will simply paraphrase. You quoted kamikhaan's PM which talked about you being unable to leave a certain location by some kind of magic. You expressed frustration and wondered whether it was a role blocker or whether Andres had a special power that saved him.
As you can see, it's pretty much impossible for you to convince the people who have seen the old town thread that you are innocent. Good luck with the rest of them, though.
You quoted kamikhaan's PM which talked about you being unable to leave a certain location by some kind of magic.
Quoting gamehost's pm's is not allowed :no:
Or is there an exception for the mafia?
Quoting gamehost's pm's is not allowed :no:
Or is there an exception for the mafia?
Perhaps, but what I saw was very far from anything I would consider incorrect behavior. She was mafia, posting on a mafia board to the other mafia, and was simply reporting her night results, which they all would have known the result of anyway. I really can't see the harm in that.
Makanyane
04-01-2008, 18:13
TC - Thanks for being nice... but to clear the air on this could you send full text of what pever said that I said to Kami to check?
If I deserve it for any reason I can be WoG'd, not being WoG'd wouldn't prove anything adverse from your point of view as it could still mean it was
a. appropriate usage as you said above,
b. not actually a direct quote, or
c. nevermind.... ! I can recognise a futile arguement when I see one....
Mouzafphaerre
04-02-2008, 01:06
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I'm a townie and I have no idea what the freak this network thing is. I don't want oligarchic dictatorship in this demonhood so I insist.
FoS: Pro-town Network, Northnovas
Vote: Abstain
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This game wouldn't be half as much fun without Mouza, with a totally ridiculous FoS now and then. :laugh4:
I'm a townie and I have no idea what the freak this network thing is. I don't want oligarchic dictatorship in this demonhood so I insist.
FoS: Pro-town Network, Northnovas
Vote: Abstain
seireikhaan
04-02-2008, 03:05
Alright, folks, I got all the orders...should be an interesting night...writeup soon.
EDIT: Strike that last statement, this writeup is presenting a rather new challenge altogether. Might be a bit longer.
BananaBob
04-02-2008, 03:28
Oh the suspense.:sweatdrop:
Seamus Fermanagh
04-02-2008, 03:31
This game's a bit different...
"Dead men tell no tales" has new caveat "So bring 'em back and pump them for information and votes!"
Northnovas
04-02-2008, 04:34
This game's a bit different...
"Dead men tell no tales" has new caveat "So bring 'em back and pump them for information and votes!"
Or at least remain dead and be FoS.:laugh4:
seireikhaan
04-02-2008, 04:42
Seamus had just arrived at a camp just outside the entrance to one of the guard cells, witnessing his quarry heading inwards. He set to the gate, but just as he reached the opening, he felt something go whizzing past his head. He turned to find a blue tinged stranger staring him down, an arrow nocked in a bow, while twin swords hung loose but ready in an extra pair of arms. The arrow and bow glimmered slightly in the darkness, giving off a golden hue which contrasted oddly with the creature's skin. The attacker let off another arrow, with Seamus leaping to his left to dodge it. However, the attacker was skilled and fast, and let loose another shimmering arrow to the spot where Seamus was destined to land. Seamus had no recourse but to try to twist himself in midair to avoid it, but to no avail. The arrow struck its target, piercing Seamus right through the chest. He looked down to the place where the arrow was lodged, and to his horror, the glow from the arrow was eating through his very body, slowly but surely. He yanked the arrow out, but it could not halt the process. Seamus collapsed to his knees, his senses blacking out as his body continued to dissolve. The attacker walked up to Seamus and held his head up with two hands, the bow now back in its holder on its back. The two remaining hands, sword in each, came together from opposite sides, decapitating Seamus quickly and without hesitation.
The attacker had no sooner dropped the head and turned around, when it spotted a new arrival itself. This new character was off to the blue attacker's left, looming with a blaze over a small jagged peak as it traversed the terrain, heading towards the blue attacker. The blue one quickly pulled its bow, strung an arrow, and fired in the new character's direction. This new one was not so easily fooled. It picked up speed, veered left, then back onto its original path, bearing down on the blue one. It pulled a sword from its cloak, a fierce blade as black as the deepest sea. Now within striking distance, it pulled its sword hand back, and stabbed towards the blue one. The blue one parried the blow, utilizing its extra limbs. It immediately began the counter attack with both of its swords, hacking and stabbing at the fiery cloaked figure. However, even with a two to one advantage, it could not press the new intruder, who was simply too fast, too skilled, blocking every blow, its movements seeming a blur in comparison. Fierce combat raged, until a sudden BANG ripped both battlers attention away. From the direction the fiery, looming figure had approached stood yet another new competitor, who seemed to have gotten irritated with climbing over the many peaks of the Netherworld, and had simply removed the last one from existence, leaving a none-the-less impressive pile of rubble in its wake. The burly character began to charge towards the combatants, a club wielded over its head maniacally, when, in the opposite direction, a loud and ferocious hiss was heard, as a monstrous creature overcame a smaller peak to the west. For a singular moment, all stood still, seeming as though every creature in the area was quite surprised to see the others there. However, that moment lasted but a moment, as the beast leaped and bounded towards the combatants, while the club wielding figure did the same. Meanwhile, the combatants resumed their duties towards the other. The fiery, looming figure took a quick stab towards the blue one, only to have its sword caught between the blue one's two sword's guards, the sword now quite stuck. The blue one grinned madly, seeing it could now disarm its opponent. However, the fiery, looming figure was not to be outdone. It whirled one a heel, completely abandoning the sword, and delivered an elbow to the blue one's jaw, taking it completely by surprise. The blue one tumbled backwards for a moment, giving the fiery, looming figure the window it needed. It raised both hands, fire welling in each one, and blasted a fiery inferno at the still off balance blue one. Makanyane could offer no resistance, no avoidance. The inferno washed over her, completely incinerating Makanyane.
However, the fiery, looming one had no chance to celebrate. The club wielding figure took a mighty swing at him, missing only by a few inches as the fiery, looming figure fell backwards. The terrible beast, meanwhile, only barely avoided trampling over it as the beast came to its rescue. The club wielding figure looked for a way around the beast, but the long, serpentine heads snaked around its body, seeming to leave no other recourse but to battle. Now from a distance, the fiery, looming figure now began taking pot shots at the club wielding figure with horrible infernos, scorching the landscape badly, while the creature attempted to snap up the club wielding figure in its jaws. The club wielding figure danced between the two strikes, until the fiery, looming figure could no longer afford to continue the assault, lest it scorch the beast. The club wielding figure abandoned the club, which seemed to be slowing it down just enough to prevent it from making counter strikes against the beast while it dodged snapping jaws. Drawing a short sword, it took an adventurous leap straight into the heads of the beast, leaping from neck to neck, avoiding the jaws skillfully, before finally finding a grip on one neck. It brought the sword straight through, severing the head and part of the neck as well. However, the beast continued to thrash, continued to attempt to buck the figure before it finally jumped from the bleeding stump to the ground beneath, puzzled as to how the creature could lose a head, even if it had multiple, without perishing. It fell backwards, until it felt a surface behind it preventing further retreat. 'Twas a warm surface, shaggy with...hair? The club wielding figure immediately ran out from beneath, with a glance back revealing a gigantic, three headed hell hound growling and barking at it. Now stuck between two horrible beasts, the intruder sprinted towards its club still laying on the ground, avoiding the fires still dotting the landscape from the fiery, looming figure's previous assault. It picked up the club, leaped to avoid a pair of snapping, serpentine jaws, to a tall cliff from which it could look down upon the beasts. It scanned the landscape, seeing little of use...the beasts...rocky cliffs...fire...wait, FIRE! Immediately, the figure leaped down to a blaze which was still burning, and set its club into the flame. The hell hound took off immediately upon seeing the figure come down from the perch, attempting to cut it off. Precious seconds seemed to tick as the figure waited for the club to light ablaze, as both beast bore down upon him, the hound the faster of the two...FINALLY! The club became engulfed by the fire. The figure turned its attention to the hound first. It shuffled the burning club to its left hand, and, with its right hand, struck the ground with all its might as the hound encroached just mere meters away. The ground ripped apart, a slab jutting diagonally, surprising the hound as it reared back on its haunches to avoid the ripped landscape. The figure took advantage, leaping well over the rubble, past the hound. The hound just landed on its front paws as well, when it felt a terrible, shattering blow to its rear quarters. Elite Ferret collapsed, his rear legs shattered by the club, fire now spreading over him, the fire having caught on the fur from the club, before blacking out completely.
One opponent immobilized, the figure leaped onto the hound's back, only to reel backwards as a snaky head snapped towards the figure, the other beast having just got to the action. The figure pulled the short sword from its belt again, and leaped once more into the maze of necks and heads and snapping jaws, using each neck as a platform to reach the next. Finally, the figure reached the main body of the beast. Each of the necks turned on a swivel, ready to strike. However, the figure was too quick. With one great sweep of its right hand, it sliced the sword through the base of each neck, all of the snapping heads falling helplessly short of their goal. The figure now put the still burning club, now only half its original size due to the advancing flame, to each bloody stump, 'till each one ignited, snuffing out the new heads and necks attempting to regrow from them. Banana Bob, previously a nearly impervious juggernaut, now wavered and buckled. Before long, the headless body stopped all kicking, laying lifeless, the now weary figure standing atop it. It took a look at its favorite club, now reduced to an ashen stump; useless. Suddenly, it remembered its mission. The figure quickly scanned the surroundings, searching for its target. However, it found nothing. It seemed as though the fiery, looming figure had escaped during the battle with the two beasts. “All this effort for naught,” the figure thought dejectedly. “So many deaths, so much destruction, and yet I cannot even achieve my goal.” It slowly walked away from the battlefield, weary, a failure in its mission for the night, but still alive.
Killed: 19
Shlin28 (N1)
Warluster (N1)
Scottishranger (N1)
Sigurd Fafnesbane (N2)
Proletariat (N2)
Gibsonsg91921 (N2)
Sasaki Kojiro (N2)
Twilightblade (N3)
Tratorix (N3)
TiberiusoftheDrake (N3)
Drisos (N4)
Ichigo (N4)
Northnovas (N5)
FactionHeir (N5)
Andres (N5)
Seamus Fermanagh(N6)
Makanyane (N6)
EliteFerret (N6)
BannanaBob (N6)
Attacked: 2
Fahad I (N3)
Banana Bob (N4)
Lynched: 4
Beefy187 (D1)
TruePraetorian (D2)
Joe Monks (D3)
Caius (D4)
WoG'd: 2
Yaropolk (D3)
Warmaster Horus (D3)
Pevergreen (D5)
Suicide: 0
Alive: 15
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
Fahad I
GeneralHankerchief
Hannibalbarc
Ichigo
Kommodus
Mouzafphaerre
Omanes Alexandropolites
Proletariat
Rythmic
Sarathos
SigurdFafnesbane
TinCow
woad&fangs
Voting will end at 10:00 P.M./22:00 CST. That's 3:00 GMT for Euros.
BananaBob
04-02-2008, 04:56
One word Kamikhaan: EPIC :beam:
btw how did the club guy kill us both?
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