Netherworld Mafia [Concluded]

[seireikhaan]

For many millennia, the Worlds were at peace. The world of the Gods oversaw the world of the Humans. The just and righteous souls would go to the world of the Gods when they died. Those souls who were not just and righteous would be sent to the World of the Demons, or the Netherworld. There, they served their punishments for their time upon the World of Humans. When their punishment was complete, the soul would await reassignment via reincarnation to prove their worthiness to gain entrance to the World of the Gods in Purgatory. The cycles continued, and all was well. Until...

One day, Lord of the Netherworld, Kamikhaan, decided that it was not suitable for a Lord of any World to be subservient to others. He could no longer stand to be the lackey of the Gods to fit their will. And so, he sent his legion of demons to the World of Humans, to steal the souls of all who departed, even those who had been just and righteous. The demons came back with many, many souls, victorious in their quest. The souls were imprisoned in the bottom depths of the Netherworld, where they would be guarded by the Demons and other allies Kamikhaan had gathered around his rule.

However, Kamikhaan knew that his actions would seek reprisal from the World of the Gods, and stationed nearly all of his combat ready troops to guard the border between the two Worlds. However, it would seem that something or someone slipped past the guard, for it was soon discovered that Kamikhaan's closest advisor was destroyed during a check of a few cells, and that one soul had managed to escape as well.

Furious, Kamikhaan gathered all his demons and allies to a Great Council, to decide what action to be taken. After much debate and a few annihilated demons, a verdict was agreed upon. All the demons and allies would vote upon whom it was who had infiltrated the Netherworld, and Kamikhaan would execute that creature, to put a stop to the advances of what they presumed to be agents of the World of Gods.

*Just in case it isn't clear, the "townspeople" are indeed the members of the Netherworld

Rules:

NO QUOTING PMS, NO QUOTING CHATLOGS, NO SCREENSHOTS, NO ALTERNATE ACCOUNTS, AND NO TRANSLATING PM'S(Andres:stare:)-You may claim whatever you want, including role name, so long as you don't quote my PM's word for word, or very close to word for word. Also, you cannot reveal victory conditions. Period.

The dead cannot reveal anything, including previous night actions, but they may participate as much as they want to contribute to general discussion. The dead also may not communicate outside the thread in any way, shape, or form relating to this game, be it via PM, chat, quicktopic, or other.

I do not allow Vote: No Lynch as an option. Period. You may abstain, however.

If you wish to take back a vote, you CANNOT do it by editing a previous post. I will not count it. Period. You must unvote:playerX in order to recant the previous vote. In order to vote for someone, you must do so in the usual Vote:Kamikhaan style. Votes must be bolded, for reference.

WOGs will occur if a person does not vote 3 rounds in a row, or if they do not vote in 4 rounds in total. Please, please don't make me WOG you. It won't be a pretty death.

Suicides will only be allowed in the event of a person being very much unable to participate in the game. I do not allow suicides for any other reason.

No links to anything outside of this thread. Period. I don't care if it pertains to something completely irrelevant.

It would be very helpful for the sake of my sanity if player's kept a tally running.

DON'T MESS WITH THE TALLY! If I determine ANYONE is intentionally misrepresenting the tally, I WILL wog the offender immediately. I will not put up with BS like that.

Voting periods will be 24 hours, though I may occasionally extend it to 36 if necessary.

Any ties in voting will await someone to break it. First vote to either person who is tied will result in lynch, regardless of any posts after it.


Roles

Mafia- There will be 3-4 mafioso, depending on the actual number of people who sign up. What exactly they are, I will leave up to the town to figure out...

Detective- There will likely be 2 detectives, again depending somewhat on just how many folks sign up.

Doctor- Likely one or two doctors.

Other roles, I will keep secret for now...However, know that there will be some rather 'different' roles than one might be accustomed to...

I want roughly 40 or so people in this game, so please join and recruit!

Sign ups: 38 so far

Andres
BannanaBob
Beefy187
Caius
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
Drisos
EliteFerret
FactionHeir
Fahad I
GeneralHandkerchief
Gibsong91921
Hannibalbarc
Ichigo
Joe Monks
Kommodus
Makanyane
Mouzafphaerre
Northnovas
Omanes Alexandropolites
pevergreen
Proletariat
Rythmic
Sarathos
Sasaki
scottishranger
Seamus Fermanagh
Shlin28
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Tiberius of the Drake
TinCow
Traitorix
TruePraetorian
Twilightblade
Warluster
Warmaster Horus
woad&fangs
Yaropolk

[Caius]

First.

[FactionHeir]

In.

[scottishranger]

In!

[Twilightblade]

I'll join

looks like fun

[Csargo]

:soapbox:

[GeneralHankerchief]

All right, I'm in.

[pevergreen]

inb4start

[Drisos]

Ah, nice. Another. ~:)

I'm in. :2thumbsup:

btw, I'm very happy with this rule: "DON'T MESS WITH THE TALLY! If I detirmine ANYONE is intentionally misrepresenting the tally, I WILL wog the offender immediately. I will not put up with BS like that."

thanks for that one. :2thumbsup:

looking forward to this.. cya's:book:

[Tratorix]

I'll join. The rules are a bit strict though. Don't mess with the tally , don't quote pms, etc. Your pretty much crippling the mafia from the start. :clown:

[Caius]

"DON'T MESS WITH THE TALLY! If I detirmine ANYONE is intentionally misrepresenting the tally, I WILL wog the offender immediately. I will not put up with BS like that."
I dont know, but it reminds of Andres. :bounce:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I would like to join, please.

[Caius]

I would like to join, please.
This is Sparta, Seamus is going to play!

[woad&fangs]

http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Pingouins/3-pingouins-danse.gif
Penguin

[TruePraetorian]

"The whole world been waitin' on 'em, here I come...drop top-phantom im skatin on 'em, look around all the...."

Yeah im in :yes:

[Beefy187]

Havent play mafia since i got killed in Capo...

In!!

[Andres]

In :2thumbsup:


NO QUOTING PMS, NO QUOTING CHATLOGS, NO SCREENSHOTS, NO ALTERNATE ACCOUNTS, AND NO TRANSLATING PM'S(Andres:stare:)

Does this rule apply to all pm's or only to those sent by the host?

[Sarathos]

I will make 15

[Warluster]

In!

[CountArach]

In!

Are we allowed to paraphrase PMs and Chats?

[naut]

Oh oh oh! In in in!

[TinCow]

Since KOTR and Son of KOTR remain stalled, you can count me in.

[Andres]

Since KOTR and Son of KOTR remain stalled, you can count me in.

Does this mean that all KOTR players are available for Gameroom duty?

Get them over here :whip:

[GeneralHankerchief]

"Stalled," he said. Not "finished." :laugh4:

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'm in.

CR

[shlin28]

In!

[seireikhaan]

Does this rule apply to all pm's or only to those sent by the host?
Alright, probably should have specified. You may NOT quote any pm's sent by ME. You MAY quote pm's from anyone else.

Edit: Nice ads, Andres! :thumbsup:


Are we allowed to paraphrase PMs and Chats?
Yes, you are allowed to paraphrase them.

[Drisos]

What did 'paraphrasing' mean again? :idea2: :book:

[seireikhaan]

What did 'paraphrasing' mean again? :idea2: :book:
From Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/paraphrase), we'll be using the bolded definition, presented here: a restatement of a text or passage giving the meaning in another form, as for clearness; rewording. Specifically, I mean, rewording in your own words.

[Ferret]

I would like to join, please.

woooo I want in too :beam:

[Drisos]

Ok, thanks Kami. ~:)

So if you PM, "You're Mafia, your goal is to kill all townies" I am allowed to say here "I'm mafia and I win if I kill all of town." For instance? ~:) :book:

hmmm 19 or so more sign ups needed.. :whip:

[Joe Monks]

In :) Make me mafia kamikhan so i can kill people please :)

[seireikhaan]

Ok, thanks Kami. ~:)

So if you PM, "You're Mafia, your goal is to kill all townies" I am allowed to say here "I'm mafia and I win if I kill all of town." For instance? ~:) :book:
No. You cannot just change a couple words and the order. You must rephrase it nearly entirely in your own words. The only thing I'll allow word for word or nearly word for word is your role name.

And stop trying to find loopholes in the rules. :whip: I've been working hard enough to make sure Andres doesn't do that. :whip:

[Drisos]

I'm not looking for loopholes, I just want to understand the rules. English isn't my first language. ~;)

Would it be allowed to say: "My role is maffioso. My victory condition is killing all townies." ?

[seireikhaan]

I'm not looking for loopholes, I just want to understand the rules. English isn't my first laguage. ~;)

Would it be allowed to say: "My role is maffioso. My victory condition is killing all townies." ?
Ok, new rule. You cannot reveal your victory conditions in any way, shape, or form.

Other than that, the first part was quite alright, sans the spelling error. :wink:

[Drisos]

Ok. Good. ~:) I like the rules Crystal Clear! :2thumbsup: That way I can never acidentally break the rules.. :book:

Btw, the 'language' mistake in last post was just fast typing error. ~;) I do those quite often.. and sometimes don't spot them. :embarassed: well, it's not that bad. :balloon2:

[Tiberius of the Drake]

total innage. (may be inactive once my game starts)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'll play

[Sigurd]

Alright... kami twisted my arm.

[Northnovas]

I'm in liked to get in on a good thing!:2thumbsup:

[Ferret]

woooo I want in too :beam:

my previous post was ignored. That did mean I wanted to play...

[Warmaster Horus]

In.

[seireikhaan]

my previous post was ignored. That did mean I wanted to play...
My apologies, t'was not ignored. Afraid I must have missed it somehow. I'll put you in.

[Proletariat]

Inn!

[Kommodus]

In response to a very polite invitation...

IN! :bow:

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

In!

[gibsonsg91921]

innnskies

I need to uphold my new reputation as a :daisy:.

[BananaBob]

I will join :yes:

[Csargo]

Welcome to mafia BananaBob ~:wave:

[BananaBob]

Welcome to mafia BananaBob ~:wave:

:beam: I hope to have loads of fun

[GeneralHankerchief]

Just to let everybody know, I'm probably not going to be as active as usual for this game, due to recent unexpected events. The KotR crowd can vouch for this.

I would have just pulled out entirely, but my Spring Break starts on Friday and I think I can still contribute on a limited basis.

[gibsonsg91921]

Haha, now that it's not a huge Capo and without GH or Charge holding my hand on the way through, you can see how bad at mafia I actually am.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

:beam: I hope to have loads of fun
Don't worry, we're always gentle with newcomers....

:smg:

:chucks:

:hmg:

:damnmate:

:campfire:



:devilish:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Don't worry, we're always gentle with newcomers....

:smg:

:chucks:

:hmg:

:damnmate:

:campfire:



:devilish:

You forgot to mention the initiation ritual.

Somebody needs to bring the sheep and massive quantities of butter; I did it last time. :book:

[Csargo]

You forgot to mention the initiation ritual.

Somebody needs to bring the sheep and massive quantities of butter; I did it last time. :book:

I guess it's my turn. :wall:

[Paradox]

I'm in.

[seireikhaan]

*sighs*

Okay, I'm going to give signups another 28 hours, so the game will start tomorrow at roughly 8:00 PM/20:00, CST. For those in Europe, that's 1:00, GMT.

Please get out and recruit those last 6 people, please! Otherwise I'll have to cut a couple roles which I'd rather not cut.

[Hannibalbarc]

I'M IN
I'm not to late, am I?

[Mouzafphaerre]

.
~:wave:
.

[gibsonsg91921]

cmon baby all 5 more

[Yaropolk]

Count me in

[Makanyane]

Gah, In if there is still space.....

[seireikhaan]

:yes: Need just two more people.

[seireikhaan]

Just as a notice, I'm gonna delay the PM handout a couple hours due to an slightly unexpected delay in my schedule. I'll close signups in about 3-4 hours or so.

[seireikhaan]

Okay, I'm going to close sign ups now.

Roles will be going out in the next few hours.

If you don't get a PM from me, that means that you are a townsdemon.

I'm also going to add an extra rule: the dead are not going to be permitted to talk outside of this thread, be it via PM, chat, quicktopic, or anything else.

[gibsonsg91921]

Sweet. I hope I'm mafia, I have all night to play.

[Craterus]

IN!

[seireikhaan]

IN!
Sorry Craterus, but you're just too late. Roles PM's have been sent out already, and I'm afraid it simply wouldn't be fair for me to set out so many rules and then break a very basic one myself.

Anyways, as I was about to announce:

Role PM's are out! We'll be starting with a night phase. Players will have 36 hours to get their orders to me. After this round, I'll be going by 24 hour phases. This first one is so players with roles can get well acclimated and think out what they're going to do.

A word to the wise...remember, location, location, location...just because one is dead does not mean ones usefelness has ceased here...

[seireikhaan]

Also, as the game has officially begun, I'll post the "who's what" list.

Alive: 38

Andres
BannanaBob
Beefy187
Caius
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
Drisos
EliteFerret
FactionHeir
Fahad I
GeneralHandkerchief
Gibsong91921
Hannibalbarc
Ichigo
Joe Monks
Kommodus
Makanyane
Mouzafphaerre
Northnovas
Omanes Alexandropolites
pevergreen
Proletariat
Rythmic
Sarathos
Sasaki
scottishranger
Seamus Fermanagh
Shlin28
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Tiberius of the Drake
TinCow
Traitorix
TruePraetorian
Twilightblade
Warluster
Warmaster Horus
woad&fangs
Yaropolk

Dead: 0

Attacked: 0

[Proletariat]

No role PM?? Just WOG me now!!!

[gibsonsg91921]

Scummy!

Vote: Proletariat

Thanks for joining Speed Mafia against all odds, though.

[seireikhaan]

Scummy!

Vote: Proletariat

Thanks for joining Speed Mafia against all odds, though.
Gibson, we are starting with a night phase.

[CountArach]

No role PM?? Just WOG me now!!!
:laugh4:

[Csargo]

VOTE:KHAAN

He knows why. :mean:

[gibsonsg91921]

Unvote: Proletariat

Overzealous I am.

[shlin28]

No role PM?? Just WOG me now!!!

I symphathise with you ~:mecry:

:wall:

[Craterus]

Sorry Craterus, but you're just too late. Roles PM's have been sent out already, and I'm afraid it simply wouldn't be fair for me to set out so many rules and then break a very basic one myself.

Anyways, as I was about to announce:

Role PM's are out! We'll be starting with a night phase. Players will have 36 hours to get their orders to me. After this round, I'll be going by 24 hour phases. This first one is so players with roles can get well acclimated and think out what they're going to do.

A word to the wise...remember, location, location, location...just because one is dead does not mean ones usefelness has ceased here...

Argh! We discussed this!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Great, now the mafia is going to kill craterus tonight since he's been confirmed innocent.

[gibsonsg91921]

Haha, scottishranger? Don't kill Craterus :P lol

[Craterus]

I'm not playing. I just told kami that I'd play if he didn't get enough players and he seemed to want me to post "in". Nevermind.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Great, now the mafia is going to kill craterus tonight since he's been confirmed innocent.

Is craterus in the game?

FoS: Sasaki

CR

[seireikhaan]

Craterus is NOT in this game. For the very reason you posted earlier.

[seireikhaan]

Just for the sake of clarity:

I expect all orders PM's by 1:00 PM/13:00, CST, tomorrow. That's 18:00 GMT for Euros.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Haha, scottishranger? Don't kill Craterus :P lol

Shh, why would you give potential mafia advice ~;)

[Beefy187]

So no PM = Townie yes?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

So no PM = Townie yes?

Subtle! :dizzy:

Lesson to you boys and girls; always set up your WIFOM defense early!

[Hannibalbarc]

WIFOM defense
What's that mean?

[Tratorix]

Subtle! :dizzy:

Lesson to you boys and girls; always set up your WIFOM defense early!

Well, in Beefy's defense, this post could have meant anything:


If you don't get a PM from me, that means that you are a townsdemon.

How are we supposed to know what's happening with the host using confusing doublespeak like that? :dizzy:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

What's that mean?

Wine In Front Of Me

and no, I'm not talking about a drink to go with your ham sandwich

It's a reference to the circular "logic" argument made by Vizini in the film Princess Bride in his "duel" with Wesley. Idea being: If person A says X, then surely he cannot be mafia. However, a smart mafia would know this so they would say X to lead us into thinking they weren't mafia. But then again, they might know that we know that such a tactic exists so they'd avoid it. Or they might think that we'd know they'd know that we might know....

Argument runs in circles forever -- and it is a useable mafia tactic for sowing confusion and creating doubt. I'm just teasing (can't know squat so far) that Beefy may be setting up such a WIFOM defense early on.

A fuller explanation is in Sasaki's dictionary in the stickies.

[TinCow]

Mafia lingo is a marvelous thing.

[Mouzafphaerre]

.
Many marvels in life are, unfortunately, hidden from all but a few... And some just don't live long enough to hit the wheel of fortune.
.

[Beefy187]

Oh noes un intentional WIFOM...

Just for the WIFOM im gonna end up dead. :wall:

[Mouzafphaerre]

.
Isn't life just as short as a sip of wine anyway? :barrel:
.

[FactionHeir]

Is there any ham in this spam? :grin2:

[pevergreen]

So much Wine...

It does get annoying when the people who know its WIFOM use it anyway.

[naut]

How many hours is CST behind GMT/EST?

Edit: NVM. Found it.

[Proletariat]

Who wants to play paper, rock, scissors while we wait for the mafia to kill a few of us? I know I do!

Don't cheat
paper

[GeneralHankerchief]

paper

-edit- Tie. Go again.

Scissors

[Proletariat]

scissors

edit: dammit, tie.

Redo paper

[GeneralHankerchief]

Scissors

-edit- Booyah!

New round?

Rock

[Proletariat]

I bow my head to a superior foe.

:bow:

(Guess we should stop spamming here, feel like doing a speed mafia? or a PRS thread? :D)

[seireikhaan]

:whip:

Spammers.

Still waiting for a couple PM's, got about two hours left.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sorry Prole, RL calls. :wall:

[Paradox]

I never received a PM...

[Csargo]

I probably won't be active from Sunday til Tuesday night I have to go to a funeral.

[seireikhaan]

Alright, I'm gonna start writeups.

[seireikhaan]

Scottishranger departed from the previous council, still hot from the fierce argument. He was still displeased that Kamikhaan had decided to do vote counts, convinced that waiting to vote was just going to give the intruders more time. Just as he returned to his patrol area, he found someone waiting for him. The creature was fierce and looming, fire seeming to spring from his every oraface. “You are a nuisance, Scottishranger, and are in my way,” a terrible voice crackled. Scottishranger immediately backed up, taken aback by this new intruder. However, he managed to compose himself quickly, and launched a fierce attack against the intruder, spewing white hot fire in every direction. Much to his dismay, the creature shrugged off the fiery assault, pulled out a many pronged whip, and snapped it towards Scottishranger with a terrible fury. The enchanted whip scarred Scottishranger across his body, badly injuring him. The intruder walked up to him, pulled out a wicked looking blade, and plunged it into Scottishranger, tearing the very fabric of his being to pieces.

Warluster returned from the meeting, still healing wounds from one of the fiery outbursts by certain unhappy members. He withdrew to his cavern to wait the night for his wounds to heal. Hours later, as he rested against a wall, a brawny figure stalked into the cavern. Warluster's attention snapped at once to the new character. He called out, questioning the intruder as to their identity. The intruder ignored his call, then charged deep into the cavern, brandishing a mighty, spiked club. Warluster immediately fell back attempting to flee into the cavern and lose the intruder. However, he could not escape, and the last thing he felt was a sharp blow to the back of his skull.

Shlin28 happily strolled to his prison quarters, content with the decision made at the council for democratic lynches. He knew this would be the best way to deal with these new intruders to their realm. During the course of his oversight, he prodded and tortured the souls of his watch,enjoying their suffering. However, not long after he began enjoying himself, he heard a disturbance to the entrance of the quarters. He ran to the gates, to see to any intrusion. As he exited the gates, he became puzzled when he found nothing. He looked to his right, nothing. Left, nothing. As he turned around to return to his pleasure time, however, the source of the disturbance made itself know, as it fell from a tall roof, on top of Shlin28. He had just enough time to look up at the intruder as it raised its many swords to strike him down...

Killed: 3

Shlin28
Warluster
ScottishRanger

Attacked: 0

Lynched: 0

WoG'd: 0

Suicide: 0

Alive: 35

Andres
BannanaBob
Beefy187
Caius
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
Drisos
EliteFerret
FactionHeir
Fahad I
GeneralHankerchief
Gibsong91921
Hannibalbarc
Ichigo
Joe Monks
Kommodus
Makanyane
Mouzafphaerre
Northnovas
Omanes Alexandropolites
pevergreen
Proletariat
Rythmic
Sarathos
Sasaki
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Tiberius of the Drake
TinCow
Traitorix
TruePraetorian
Twilightblade
Warmaster Horus
woad&fangs
Yaropolk

PM's are going out; sorry about the delay, but the server crashed. :wall:

EDIT: Voting now begins. Day will last 24 hours.

[Crazed Rabbit]

vote: Sasaki
:inquisitive:
CR

[woad&fangs]

Vote: Crazed Rabbit
:inquisitive:
w&f

[Caius]

Vote:Mouzaphferre

Welcome to mafia!

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: Fahad I

I just called to everyones attention the mafia-esque nature of posting "I didn't receive a PM" and THEN you do so anyway? Explain please....

As of post #111, Tally:

CR = 1 (w&f)
Fahad = 1 (seamus)
Mouza = 1 (caius)
Sasaki = 1 (CR, I thought this was Ichigo's tradition?)

[shlin28]

Bah, teh mafia killed me.

At least everyone knows I am innocent now :laugh4:

[TinCow]

With no information to go on, my natural instinct is to vote Sasaki, since I doubt I'll ever trust him anyway. That seems cheesy, though, and there's really no evidence to go on so far except for the numerous people claiming to have not received a PM. Some are probably telling the truth, but I would bet that at least one of them said that intentionally to make us think they were town. With nothing more to go on, I will wait and see if any evidence comes out. For now...

Vote: Abstain

[Proletariat]

Seamus has the only thing close to a good reason, so I'll piggy back. Starting with my stupid joke about not getting a role pm and the many comments that followed about townies not getting role pms, it's obvious that uh, townies didn't get pms. So Fahad is either not reading or just being silly.

Vote: Fahad

[Paradox]

I'll pretend to know what's going on...:inquisitive:

What are we voting for? People who should be killed?

[Tratorix]

Vote: BannanaBob

Welcome to mafia! How about introducing yourself? :beam:

[woad&fangs]

I'll pretend to know what's going on...:inquisitive:

What are we voting for? People who should be killed?
Yes, we are voting for people who we think are mafia(or gods in this case). At the end of the day phase the person with the most votes will be killed.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Err...

Vote: Caius

Also, kamikhaan, would you please remove the "D" from my name in the status list?

[TruePraetorian]

Vote: Caius


He has no hair :inquisitive:

[TinCow]

Two votes in a row for Caius. Anyone care to explain the reasoning behind that?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Cauis

[CountArach]

Vote: Sasaki

Third on the bandwagon = scum

[pevergreen]

No vote for me as of yet but:

Pretty sure Abstain is not allowed,
Update the tally
Shlin, just because you died does not mean you are innocent.

[TinCow]

Pretty sure Abstain is not allowed,

Read the rules.


I do not allow Vote: No Lynch as an option. Period. You may abstain, however.

[gibsonsg91921]

Haha, there's three for Caius for meatball or no reasons. Shameless bandwagons!

Meatballing shouldn't lead to bandwagons, that's not the point.

Vote: Sasaki

Bandwagoner for meatballing.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Bandwagoning = discussion = more material to go back on later in the game when determining guilt.

[Hannibalbarc]

Vote: gibsonsg91921

[Beefy187]

Vote: Hannibalbarc

For not stating the reason.

[Hannibalbarc]

Vote: Hannibalbarc

For not stating the reason.
Bandwagoning = discussion

[FactionHeir]

vote: Proletariat

Dunno, just feel like it.

And there have been 3 kills with similar waeapons. 3 mafia = 3 kills or 2-4 mafia with 2 kills and a serial killer with 1?

[Northnovas]

The first round is hard and I won't bandwagon, yet!:laugh4:

I vote: Abstain

[Beefy187]

Bandwagoning = discussion

its not bandwagon if you are the first one to vote.

Why gibson?

[Hannibalbarc]

its not bandwagon if you are the first one to vote.

Why gibson?
Oh, I'm still new to mafia, I thought that was called bandwagoning:beam:
Everybody's voting pointlessly, might as well join in:beam:

[CountArach]

Vote: Hannibalbarc

For not stating the reason.
Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Beefy

This is the first round, reasons are not really needed at all.

[Caius]

Unovte:Mouza
Vote:Sasaki

He wrote my name bad! I feel insulted! Ban Sasaki!

[Proletariat]

The first round is hard and I won't bandwagon, yet!:laugh4:

I vote: Abstain

Unvote: Fahad, Vote: Northnovas

For interrupting a bandwagon that is potentially useful later on.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unvote: Caius
Vote: Cauis

:tongue:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Unvote: Fahad

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You didn't get active in Capo and you are comparatively new...

Vote: Beefy187

You're not new. You threw out the "I didn't get a PM" whine -- a potential WIFOM move AND you're much more active than I am used to seeing. Not hamming it up or over the top (classic mistakes), but much more active...:inquisitive:

Tally as of post #138 inclusive:

Sasaki = 3 (Caius, CR, Gibs)

abstain = 2 (North, TinC)

Beefy187 = 2 (Arach, Seamus)

Caius = 2 (GH, Sasaki)

CR = 2 (Mouza, woad)

Banana = 1 (Tratx)

Gibs = 1 (Hannibal)

Hannibal = 1 (Beefy)

North = 1 (Prole)

Prole = 1 (FH)

22 have not voted

[Crazed Rabbit]

Are you fudging the tally, Seamus? :inquisitive:

I don't think Mouza voted for me.

CR

[naut]

As much as I'd like to follow Rule #1. I think the chances of Sasaki being Mafia again are incredibly slim. So instead I'll pick someone completely at random.

Vote: TruePraetorian

Tally as of post #140:

Sasaki = 3 (Caius, CR, Gibs)

abstain = 2 (North, TinC)

Beefy187 = 2 (Arach, Seamus)

Caius = 2 (GH, Sasaki)

CR = 1 (woad)

Banana = 1 (Tratx)

Gibs = 1 (Hannibal)

Hannibal = 1 (Beefy)

North = 1 (Prole)

Prole = 1 (FH)

TP = 1 (Rythmic)

22 have not voted

Seamus fudging the tally this early ~D , Mouza hasn't voted yet.

[Tratorix]

As much as I'd like to follow Rule #1. I think the chances of Sasaki being Mafia again are incredibly slim. So instead I'll pick someone completely at random.

Sasaki has the same chance of being mafia as anyone else. :inquisitive:

[TinCow]

Can someone please explain how bandwagoning now is useful later? I simply don't see the logic.

[Paradox]

Vote:Sasaki

No reason.

[CountArach]

Can someone please explain how bandwagoning now is useful later? I simply don't see the logic.
Bandwagoning is a strange way to develop conversation, but it does develop it. The unfortunate side-effect is that someone is killed. I prefer other methods of getting people to talk.

[Csargo]

Vote:Sasaki

Shot in the dark :shrug:

[Makanyane]

Vote: Beefy187

because Seamus's reasoning sounds good and I have no other ideas what to do :embarassed:


Bandwagoning is a strange way to develop conversation, but it does develop it. The unfortunate side-effect is that someone is killed. I prefer other methods of getting people to talk.
It seems a bad idea to kill anyone this randomly, but we can't avoid it according to game rules can we?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Vote: Hannibalbarc

This brought him to my attention:

Bandwagoning = discussion = more material to go back on later in the game when determining guilt.And then:
Bandwagoning = discussionThere is something about that which makes me shout "mafia".

He seems to be influenced easily and simply goes with what others have said as reasoning for his vote rather than come up with one of his own.

This may also point to GH as potential mafia - perhaps Hannibalbarc, inexperienced at mafia, is following his buddy?

[Twilightblade]

Vote: beefy

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote,vote:makanye

[Ferret]

vote:Yaropolk

somone with a name like that must be mafia :yes:

[pevergreen]

Read the rules.
my mistake, I thought it was the other way around.

[Andres]

With no information to go on, my natural instinct is to vote Sasaki, since I doubt I'll ever trust him anyway. That seems cheesy, though, and there's really no evidence to go on so far except for the numerous people claiming to have not received a PM. Some are probably telling the truth, but I would bet that at least one of them said that intentionally to make us think they were town. With nothing more to go on, I will wait and see if any evidence comes out. For now...

Vote: Abstain

Vote : TinCow

Sounds way too neutral. Also, it's too much explanation for a 1st round abstain vote.

[Drisos]

nice! :2thumbsup: I actually lived trough night 1 :beam:


discussion = more material to go back on later in the game when determining guilt.

Indeed. on other forums I play mafia, people discuss lots less, and even in later game, no one has a clue who to vote. that's not the way to go.

and CA, someone has to be lynched, right? (I thought No Lynch wasn't an option in this game, to be precise) it's a matter of creating discussion/following intuition etc..

btw, my vote:

Beefy I think he acted pretty scummy, seamus already mentioned all.

btw, why all those 'random' votes on sasaki? :inquisitive: I bet that's a 'just in case'.. hehe :laugh4:

[Mouzafphaerre]

.
Vote: Seamus

He tricked with the tally.
.

[seireikhaan]

Folks, we currently have a tie between Sasaki and Beefy187. The first of either of them to receive another vote will be lynched.

Current tally:

Sasaki: 5- Caius, CrazedRabbit, Gibsonsg91921, Fahad I, Ichigo

Beefy187: 5- CountArach, Seamus Fermanagh, Makanyane, Twilightblade, Drisos

Caius: 1- GeneralHankerchief

CrazedRabbit: 1- Woad and Fangs

Bananna Bob: 1- Tratorix

Gibson: 1- Hannibalbarc

HannibalBarc: 2- Omanes Alexandrapolites, Beefy187

Northnovas: 1- Proletariat

Proletariat: 1- FactionHeir

True Praetorian: 1- Rythmic

Makanyane: 1- Sasaki

Yaropolk: 1-Elite Ferret

TinCow: 1-Andres

Seamus Fermanagh: 1- Mouzafphaerre

Abstain: 2- Northnovas, Tincow

Not voting- Everyone else.

Also, I'm going to issue a warning to Seamus Fermanagh for his error in the tally. However, there was a long span between the previous tally(which he also did), so I'm going to issue a pardon and assume it was mere accident. However, I'd like to point to the spoiler right here.

ALSO, PLEASE, PLEASE UPDATE THE TALLY WHENEVER YOU VOTE! IT WILL MAKE THIS RUN MUCH SMOOTHER!

Please take note of the spoiler. ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Also, I may be unable to access a computer for the next few hours, so once the tie is broken, that person is considered lynched, though the writeup for it may take a bit to get up. Night will begin immediately once either Sasaki or Beefy187 is lynched.

[gibsonsg91921]

Eenie, meenie, miny moe.

Vote: Sasaki

[Mouzafphaerre]

.
Vote: Sasaki :rtwno:
.

[shlin28]

FoS Gibson and Mouzafphaerre


:no:

[Caius]

FoS Gibson and Mouzafphaerre


:no:
Casting suspiction on the lynchers of your buddy-man?

[Mouzafphaerre]

.
OOC: What's a FoS? :help:
.

[Makanyane]

.
OOC: What's a FoS? :help:
.
you newb, how could you ask such a thing... I can arrogantly tell you... it is of course "Finger of Suspicion"
but only because someone explained it to me for Capo :embarassed:

[Mouzafphaerre]

.
:2thumbsup:
.

[Drisos]

FoS Mouza and Gibson!!! what reason was there to pick sasaki over beefy? :furious3: :dizzy2:

Aw, well, dead are allowed to post anyway.. but still it's scummy!:skull:

[seireikhaan]

*sighs*

I'm still waiting for the tie to be broken. Mouzafphaerre, you must unvote Seamus before you can vote for anyone else.

Really, folks, is it that hard to read the rules?

[Caius]

Ok..Ok...

don't unvote yet.

[Joe Monks]

vote:nobody

[Ferret]

unvote, vote:beefy better now?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Before kamikhaan jumps all over you about not reading the rules, I'll point out that voting "no lynch" is not allowed.

Sasaki and Beefy are tied, so we shouldn't break it until they both post.

...and that was about 30 seconds too late. :wall:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Saved by the rules.

[Caius]

FoS: EF

I sense your buddy Sasaki told you to unvote.

[seireikhaan]

Following the deaths of Warluster, Shlin28, and scottishranger, the great demonic council was reconvened once again. Immediately, random cries of "LYNCH!" went out to many members of the council, for seemingly no apparent reason. A few even complained of not receiving letters from Kamikhaan. Many soon jumped on these folks, but particularly on Beefy187. Soon, it became tied between Beefy and Sasaki Kojiro, whom many found to be innately holy for attempting to bring a lynch to Caius. After a long pause in debate, the tie was broken finally by a frustrated Elite Ferret, who switched his vote to Beefy. Several demons swarmed to Beefy, and held him down before their lord.

"Beefy, this council has deemed you guilty of holiness. What is your last response?" Kamikhaan asked. Beefy stayed quiet, offering no response to his most recent critics. "Very well, by the wisdom of this council, I, Kamikhaan, lord of Death, hereby end your interference to our affairs." With that, Kamikhaan pulled from his cloak a cruel, wicked looking blade, black as a night of the new moon, seeming to emanate an incredibly evil and chaotic aura. Kamikhaan swung the twisted blade down on Beefy187, in a swift overhand blow. The sword shorn him in two, slicing through his body as though it were a fine cheese.

"My followers and allies, I hope that this has ended this intrusion to our sanctuary by the World of the Gods. Go now, to your watches, and hope that this is finished."

Final tally:

Beefy187: 6- CountArach, Seamus Fermanagh, Makanyane, Twilightblade, Drisos, Elite Ferret

Sasaki: 5- Caius, CrazedRabbit, Gibsonsg91921, Fahad I, Ichigo

Caius: 2- GeneralHankerchief, TruePraetorian

CrazedRabbit: 1- Woad and Fangs

Bananna Bob: 1- Tratorix

Gibson: 1- Hannibalbarc

HannibalBarc: 2- Omanes Alexandrapolites, Beefy187

Northnovas: 1- Proletariat

Proletariat: 1- FactionHeir

True Praetorian: 1- Rythmic

Makanyane: 1- Sasaki

TinCow: 1-Andres

Seamus Fermanagh: 1- Mouzafphaerre

Abstain: 2- Northnovas, Tincow

Not voting- Everyone else.

Tally of living, dead, etc...

Killed: 3

Shlin28 (N1)
Warluster (N1)
ScottishRanger (N1)

Attacked: 0

Lynched: 1

Beefy187 (D1)

WoG'd: 0

Suicide: 0

Alive: 35

Andres
BannanaBob
Caius
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
Drisos
EliteFerret
FactionHeir
Fahad I
GeneralHankerchief
Gibsong91921
Hannibalbarc
Ichigo
Joe Monks
Kommodus
Makanyane
Mouzafphaerre
Northnovas
Omanes Alexandropolites
pevergreen
Proletariat
Rythmic
Sarathos
Sasaki
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Tiberius of the Drake
TinCow
Traitorix
TruePraetorian
Twilightblade
Warmaster Horus
woad&fangs
Yaropolk

[seireikhaan]

Ah, forgot to specify, I would like Orders for night by 5:00 P.M./17:00 CST, roughly 23 hours from now. That's 22:00 GMT time for Euros.

[Ferret]

FoS: EF

I sense your buddy Sasaki told you to unvote.

FoS Cauis

I sense your buddy Beefy told you to FoS me.

[Beefy187]

:laugh4: yay i shall dance to celebrate the return of beef lynching fest.

but gah is it that scummy to say voting for someone with out a reason is scummy?

FoS: TB

For voting me with out a reason.

[TruePraetorian]

Kami:

...Whoever screwed up on tally forgot to add that i voted for Caius...just letting you know Kami that I didnt miss voting, and im not lurking.


I would leave some kind of "info" post but it seems like nothing important has happened..

[Caius]

Cauis is not playing EF.

[seireikhaan]

TruePraetorian: Duly noted, good sir. This sort of problem could be avoided, though, if people kept a tally...

Caius: :inquisitive:

[BananaBob]

Vote: Proletariat

Seemed too eager to tell us that she was a townsdemon...

[Caius]

Vote: Proletariat

Seemed too eager to tell us that she was a townsdemon...
Banana, its not time. You can vote in the day phase, now it is night phase.

[Caius]

TruePraetorian: Duly noted, good sir. This sort of problem could be avoided, though, if people kept a tally...

Caius: :inquisitive:
kamikhaan: What? I'm just kidding. It annoys me there are people who can call one Cauis.

[Crazed Rabbit]

FoS: Sasaki

Near death and he doesn't even acknowledge it until after the lynch. He's so fond of making others speak, let's get him to be more conversational.

CR

[Sarathos]

FoS: TB
For voting me with out a reason.
Thats a very good point, care to explain TB?

I do apologise Kami for missing voting, I am not lurking, just a chocolate overdose momentarily impaired my and I could not make the dead line.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

FoS: Sasaki

Near death and he doesn't even acknowledge it until after the lynch. He's so fond of making others speak, let's get him to be more conversational.

CR

I work friday and saturday.

[Ferret]

What are you talking about Caius, I didn't mean you! I thought that Cauis bloke looked rather suspicious even though he wasn't playing, it was just for future reference that's all :yes:

sorry Caius, I always spell it wrong...:sweatdrop:

[pevergreen]

I just think everytime. "It ends with us".

same with people calling me Pevergreen. wrong. Happening less though.

[seireikhaan]

Little under a half hour left, and I'm still missing an order or two.

[seireikhaan]

Following the meeting, Sigurd Fafnesbane quickly scooted towards his private cavern, where he could temporarily escape from the stress of the recent intrusions by veging out and watching some souls suffer. As he got to the entrance, he inserted a large, earthen tablet into the opening, for both privacy, and hopefully, a little security too. However, as he crouched down over the small chamber which contained the unfortunate souls, he heard an earth shattering sound from behind him. He turned to see an intruder, standing where the earthen tablet had set just moments before, glowing a pure, seeming to glow a pure, holy light from its very self. The intruder leapt into the air, with gallant wings catching itself as it took into flight towards Sigurd. Sigurd grabbed his pitchfork from its chamber hold, as the intruder swept within striking range. The intruder elevated itself, then came down on Sigurd with as much might as it could muster. Sigurd held out his pitchfork to block the sword, but the blade cut right through the meager defense, and rendered Sigurd's body in two. The new figure walked up the chamber, lifting its sword, and slashed open the lock, freeing the souls. Its objective accomplished, the intruder finally departed the cave, leaving the mangled body behind.



Gibsonsg91921 had just arrived to his guard watch, when he heard a most bizarre noise. It sounded like his lord, Kamikhaan, calling for his help! Gibson raced through the maze of cages and dungeons, until he found the source. Lo and behold, his lord was trapped in a small, cramped cell in the 4th dungeon. “My lord, what happened?” Gibson requested.

“I discovered three agents of the Gods in here. I battled them fiercely and nearly destroyed them, but in the course of the fight, we ended up by this cell. I got jostled in here, and they locked me in! Now let me out!

“Of course, my lord!” Gibson responded. He fetched his spare set of keys, and returned to the cell. Just as he was about to insert the key, however, Kamikhaan bolted through the door, which had, in actuality, never been locked in the first place, and in a flash, grabbed Gibson by his neck. He felt claws piercing his neck, yet Kamikhaan didn't have claws...He hoisted him high, threw him into the very same cell, and quickly locked the the gate. “My lord?! What is this?!" As he spoke these words, he heard a sound much like sand in an hourglass, and then felt earthen clay bit by bit falling onto his head. Kamikhaan merely turned and left, as more and more of the ceiling above Gibson began to collapse on top of him. As Gibson struggled for his final moments, he caught a last peek at the one who had imprisoned him, and was stunned as the features changed from those of his lord to those of to those of a strange spirit, with many tails...


Proletariat was observing her sector with a quiet contentment, sipping a quaint Teguanyin tea, chuckling to herself as her burdens anguished in despair over seemingly eternal thirst. However, her contentment was soon interrupted by a loud BANG from down a corridor. Prole, sighing, set down her tea and set out down the corridor to see to security. As she turned a corner, she ran into a looming, fierce figure, and fell backwards. “Ahh, Proletariat, I've finally found you.” The intruder's voice seemed to crackle with a blaze of hatred. Prole immediately began retreating, knowing she was no match for this fierce creature. However, just as she managed to turn herself, the intruder had pulled out a fiery whip, and lashed it against her legs, tripping her to the ground. The creature pulled a jet black sword from its cloak and placed one foot on Prole's midsection. The sword came rushing down, slicing Prole apart all too easily, then once more to ensure her demise.


Sasaki Kojiro fled to his cave as fast as his body would carry him. It had become all too clear at the meeting that he had enemies here in the Netherworld. He finally got to his haven, nearly out of breath, when a creature waiting for him emerged from the shadows of his home. “Sasaki, you seem eager to get somewhere. Now where might that be?” The intruder teased him. Sasaki, blocked from his any of his weapons in his home, did the only thing he could. He ran. “Now, now, don't run! This won't even be fun!” the intruder teased once more. “Ah well, there should be plenty of better game later.” Before Sasaki knew it, the intruder was keeping quite parallel to him, seeming to float effortlessly above the ground. Sasaki turned his face to the intruder's side, and found a handsome, grinning facade facing him. The intruder pulled the scythe which had been strapped to its back, and whipped it with blinding speed in a 360 degree arc, catching Sasaki in the chest. The enchanted scythe edge sliced directly through Sasaki, cleaving his shoulders from his torso. The intruder halted to a rest. “Bah. I hope future ones present more of a challenge...”



Killed: 7

Shlin28 (N1)
Warluster (N1)
Scottishranger (N1)
Sigurd Fafnesbane (N2)
Proletariat (N2)
Gibsonsg91921 (N2)
Sasaki Kojiro (N2)

Attacked: 0

Lynched: 1

Beefy187 (D1)

WoG'd: 0

Suicide: 0

Alive: 30

Andres
BannanaBob
Caius
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
Drisos
EliteFerret
FactionHeir
Fahad I
GeneralHankerchief
Hannibalbarc
Ichigo
Joe Monks
Kommodus
Makanyane
Mouzafphaerre
Northnovas
Omanes Alexandropolites
pevergreen
Rythmic
Sarathos
Seamus Fermanagh
Tiberius of the Drake
TinCow
Traitorix
TruePraetorian
Twilightblade
Warmaster Horus
woad&fangs
Yaropolk


Day now begins: It will end 24 hours from now, at 6:15 PM/18:15 CST, that's 23:15 GMT for Euros.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Scottish and gibson killed in successive nights. Sounds like someone has a grudge over Capo.

Or, at least, wants us to think that.

Vote: Caius

You still haven't said much.

-edit-

Tally:

Caius: 1 (GH)

[Proletariat]

Ghost Vote: TruePraetorian

[Drisos]

Holy crap! We'd better think of something really fast. 4 kills on 1 night, if that continues, we'll be fried pretty soon :sweatdrop:

I don't know what to think of the kills.. seems like our scum is picking experienced players? sigurd, sasaki.. btw, note that, gibson would've voted off sasaki if he had used the correct voting format, and now both are murdered.. does that make any sense? :dizzy2:

Just for now, Vote: Mouza because he tried to lynch sasaki, not allowing more discussion, and without proper reason. and sasaki was obviously innocent..

let's get more discussion/activity here, so I can let mafia feel the wrath of my intuition:whip:

Edit; Prole! do you have good reason to vote TP? I'm quite clueless now, so any info is more than welcome..

[GeneralHankerchief]

Any reason, Prole?

[Proletariat]

I kinda screwed his family over in Capo right near the end. It's weak, but I dunno who else on the alive list might want me out so soon. I'm hardly a formidable player so maybe it was just random.

Edit: And fwiw, from what I know of him from the chat and so on, he seems like he might be the type to hold a grudge.


“Ahh, Proletariat, I've finally found you.” How much of your kill write ups are directly influenced by the mafia, Khaan? Do they get any say?

Wow, 7 kills at the start of day two. Good luck town :\

[woad&fangs]

Vote: Caius


He has no hair :inquisitive:

He posted this immediatly after GH voted for Caius. A meatball vote on someone who already has a vote seems scummy to me. That combined with Prole's intuition leads me to vote: TruePraetorian

Edited to bold the word "vote"

[TinCow]

Scottish and gibson killed in successive nights. Sounds like someone has a grudge over Capo.

Or, at least, wants us to think that.

Vote: Caius

You still haven't said much.

This seems wrong. We have at least four separate killers. scottish, Prole, and Sigurd were killed with swords. The latter two were both offed on the same night, indicating multiple people with the same signature - thus mafia. Shlin was killed by a creature with "many" swords, which sounds a lot like the creature that killed gibson, which had "many" tails. This sounds like the same multi-limbed killer to me, so those two were by the same person. Warluster and Sasaki's deaths don't seem to match any other signature, so they are probably two different killers, one who struck on N1 only, and one who struck on N2 only... or one killer who has changed signatures.

Regardless, it looks like scottish and gibson were killed by different people. This seems like a somewhat obvious clue in the write-ups, so I'm confused by GH's vote of Caius. He's too good a player to ignore the evidence available in the write-ups, which means he intentionally voted for Caius with a bogus reason.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

[GeneralHankerchief]

I've skimmed the writeups. :sorry: kami.

[naut]

I'm inclined to agree with you Prole, if the Mafia get a say in the write-ups it could be an indicator to TP or it could be a framing. It also builds on my own suspicions too, his posts have all seemed very 'confident'.

Vote: TruePraetorian What have you got to say for your self?

Also, if we look at those who have been killed by the Mafia, we will see a strong contingent of lurkers or 1 posters:

scottishranger 1
Sigurd Fafnesbane 1
Tiberius of the Drake 1
Warluster 1
Kommodus 1
Yaropolk 1
Warmaster Horus 1
Three here have been hit by Mafia, so I'd take a guess that the Mafia contains at least some experienced players.

FoS: Kommodus Lurking are we?
FoS: Andres Your not involved enough, although the way you played Capo as Mafia this could indicate your innocent.

Tally as of #196
Caius = 1 (GH)

Mouza = 1 (Drisos)

TruePraetorian = 2 (w&f, Ryth)

GeneralHankerchief = 1 (TinCow)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Regardless, it looks like scottish and gibson were killed by different people. This seems like a somewhat obvious clue in the write-ups, so I'm confused by GH's vote of Caius. He's too good a player to ignore the evidence available in the write-ups, which means he intentionally voted for Caius with a bogus reason.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

No one is too good a player to have ignored the evidence in the write ups.

[seireikhaan]

1) GH, its each person's prerogative to read the writeups. I aint gonna force you to read them. :sweatdrop:

2) The writeups are done purely by me.

[naut]

Ok that scraps finding evidence in them.

[seireikhaan]

Ohh...now I wouldn't neccessarily say that...

[naut]

Ohh...now I wouldn't neccessarily say that...
Ah ok, so that means you must be creating signatures and such for them. I understand now. :book2:

[Drisos]

Ok, so we should be looking at 'signatures' and such, but not at grammar.


scottish, Prole, and Sigurd were killed with swords. The latter two were both offed on the same night, indicating multiple people with the same signature - thus mafia. Shlin was killed by a creature with "many" swords, which sounds a lot like the creature that killed gibson, which had "many" tails. This sounds like the same multi-limbed killer to me, so those two were by the same person.

nice thoughts. yet it's too early to be sure about the patterns. perhaps different mafiosi will have different signatures, making it harder for now, but easier in the long term. we should actually keep a list of deaths and a short description with it, with it's killer/method.

btw, since Prole is pretty much confirmed innocent, she won't be lying on TP, yet, it's not really strong evidence anyway. I don't think TC's reasoning to go afther GH is, either.

gah, there's loads of potential lurking mafia.. only few people are contributing in the thread now :wall:

I'll keep my vote on mouza for now..:juggle2:

[naut]

Scottishranger - Killed N1, Killer had a multiple pronged whip and a 'blade'. Killer spoke before attacking.

Warluster - Killed N1, Killer was 'brawny' and used a club.

Shlin28 - Killed N1, Killer used a distraction and ambush, killed him with many swords.

Sigurd Fafnesbane - Killed N2, killer used a sword. Also note the that the attacker surprised Sigurd by attacking from behind and the unusual wings(?).

Gibsonsg91921 - Killed N2, killer shape-shifted(?). The killer had many tails, may relate to many swords(?).

Proletariat - Killed N2, definitly the same person that killed Scottish, as note the whip, blade/sword and speaking before the murder.

Sasaki Kojiro - Killed N2, seems to be a new killer, using a scythe, floating and quite eager to play 'cat and mouse' before killing. No doubt a Mafioso that didn't manage to get their PM in on the first day in time.

[Kommodus]

I haven't analyzed everyone yet (too many people left, not enough time) but for now:

Vote: Fahad I

He was let off the hook last round. I'm thinking that may have been a mistake.


I'll pretend to know what's going on...:inquisitive:

What are we voting for? People who should be killed?

My friend, I suspect you know more than you let on. :stare:

[CountArach]

My random thought on the killings (and without reading any of the posts since then):

We are *probably* dealing with someone who has played at least 1 game (Probably Capo) and saw what some of those players were capable of. They killed them off for that reason.

However, we are also not likely to be dealing with a veteran mafia player, because the killings were too high-profile and are likely to attract attention onto themselves.

So who fits this description?

[gibsonsg91921]

Sweet! I'm considered high-profile? Or was that Sasaki.

Poor mafiosos, thinking I was a worthwhile target. Capo was dumb luck and GH's help.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I haven't analyzed everyone yet (too many people left, not enough time) but for now:


Let's not let Kommo skate by to easy guys, his MO as mafia is to avoid extensive analysis by claiming lack of time/data. I expect something substantial from you...

[Tratorix]

Vote: Kommodus

"I don't have time to analyse, so i'll try to start a bandwagon on a new player."

Yeah, we havn't seen you use that one before. :rolleyes:

[Mouzafphaerre]

.
Vote: Drisos

Self defence! :help:
.

[FactionHeir]

I'm going to believe Prole for now.

vote: TruePraetorian

Its also possible that there are 2 serial killer roles. One that kills on odd and one on even nights.

Tally:
Caius = 1 (GH)

Mouza = 1 (Drisos)

Drisos = 1 (Mouza)

TruePraetorian = 3 (w&f, Ryth, FH)

GeneralHankerchief = 1 (TinCow)

Kommodus = 1 (Tratorix)

Fahad I = 1 (Kommodus)

[pevergreen]

Congrats on 5k posts.

Vote: TP
Lets hear a nice defence.
Tally:
Caius = 1 (GH)

Mouza = 1 (Drisos)

Drisos = 1 (Mouza)

TruePraetorian = 4 (pevergreen, w&f, Ryth, FH)

GeneralHankerchief = 1 (TinCow)

Kommodus = 1 (Tratorix)

Fahad I = 1 (Kommodus)

[FactionHeir]

Eh, didn't even notice I had 5k, thanks though! :)

[Paradox]

Vote:Caius

His quietness raises suspician. :inquisitive:

[Ferret]

vote:TP

is he even playing?

Caius = 1 (GH, Fahad I)

Mouza = 1 (Drisos)

Drisos = 1 (Mouza)

TruePraetorian = 4 (pevergreen, w&f, Ryth, FH, EF)

GeneralHankerchief = 1 (TinCow)

Kommodus = 1 (Tratorix)

Fahad I = 1 (Kommodus)

[pevergreen]

Correct Tally:

Caius = 1 (GH, Fahad I)

Mouza = 1 (Drisos)

Drisos = 1 (Mouza)

TruePraetorian = 5 (pevergreen, w&f, Ryth, FH, EF)

GeneralHankerchief = 1 (TinCow)

Kommodus = 1 (Tratorix)

Fahad I = 1 (Kommodus)

[CountArach]

Alright, thinking back to my earlier reasoning (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1870509&postcount=205) it would appear that TruePraetorian would fit that bill perfectly. He is inexperienced without being a noob and would have the grudge factor against certain townies. So therefore:

Vote: TruePraetorian

As a great man once said:
"Shem on you and your houses if you don't do the same as me"

[pevergreen]

Unvote: TP, Vote: CA

Its a gut feeling I've had. That last post and your earlier reasoning just helped me along

Caius 2 (GH, Fahad I)
Mouza 1 (Drisos)
Drisos 1 (Mouza)
TruePraetorian 5 (countarach, w&f, Ryth, FH, EF)
GeneralHankerchief 1 (TinCow)
Kommodus 1 (Tratorix)
Fahad I 1 (Kommodus)
CountArach 1 (pever)

[CountArach]

You've gotta love substantive evidence :laugh4:

[pevergreen]

Gut feeling ive got.
that and:

However, we are also not likely to be dealing with a veteran mafia player, because the killings were too high-profile and are likely to attract attention onto themselves.
Wrong. I did it in your mafia game and nearly won.

[Beefy187]

You probebly wont listen to me but leave TP for WoG

Lynching a guy who cant defend them selves are only gonna benefit the mafia
TPs inactiveness suggests his either too busy in RL or he is not aware that the game started. In latter case he is most likely townie

At least wait until he shows up to defend him self.

[Andres]

I still don't like this post of TinCow:


With no information to go on, my natural instinct is to vote Sasaki, since I doubt I'll ever trust him anyway. That seems cheesy, though, and there's really no evidence to go on so far except for the numerous people claiming to have not received a PM. Some are probably telling the truth, but I would bet that at least one of them said that intentionally to make us think they were town. With nothing more to go on, I will wait and see if any evidence comes out. For now...

Vote : abstain

Hence why I voted him round 1:


Vote : TinCow

Sounds way too neutral. Also, it's too much explanation for a 1st round abstain vote.

My vote was ignored by TC.

And now you vote GeneralHankerchief because he misread the write-ups :inquisitive: That's an awfully bad reason.

Neutral sounding post; very much unnecessary explanation, voting for a bad reason.

Vote : TinCow



My friend, I suspect you know more than you let on. :stare:

Oh come on Kommodus. Fahad is fairly new to mafia games and your reason for voting him is bad.

FoS : Kommodus

As for me being less active: I went to the Ardennen Friday, came back Sunday afternoon. And there's also Easter and the magic 30 :cake: :birthday2:

[TinCow]

My vote was ignored by TC.

And now you vote GeneralHankerchief because he misread the write-ups :inquisitive: That's an awfully bad reason.

Neutral sounding post; very much unnecessary explanation, voting for a bad reason.

I didn't ignore your post, I simply didn't see a reason to respond because your reasoning was fair. I completely understand how my first post could have been seen in that light.

I very much disagree that my reason for voting for GH is a bad one, though. The write-ups are the only hard evidence available to us at the moment. GH is not an inexperienced player. From what I understand, he created this entire game at the Org. I find it very unlikely that he would simply skim the write-up if he were pro-town. Like the rest of us, he would be looking at it for details that could help us win. The only reason to skim it is if he already knew what it would say.

[Northnovas]

Well I was thinking run off from Capo II like Prole even if it is weak it's something. My thoughts were for TP but if he is inactive then that would mean he has not been involved with play.
If nothing else I will go with pevergreen's gut feeling:

Vote: CountArach

Tally from #217

Caius 2 (GH, Fahad I)
Mouza 1 (Drisos)
Drisos 1 (Mouza)
TruePraetorian 5 (countarach, w&f, Ryth, FH, EF)
GeneralHankerchief 1 (TinCow)
Kommodus 1 (Tratorix)
Fahad I 1 (Kommodus)
CountArach 1 (pever, NN)

[FactionHeir]

Please learn to count :grin:

Caius 2 (GH, Fahad I)
Mouza 1 (Drisos)
Drisos 1 (Mouza)
TruePraetorian 5 (countarach, w&f, Ryth, FH, EF)
GeneralHankerchief 1 (TinCow)
Kommodus 1 (Tratorix)
Fahad I 1 (Kommodus)
CountArach 2 (pever, NN)

[naut]

I'm tempted to change my vote due to recent understanding that TruePraetorian is AFK. And if he remains inactive during the rest of this phase I believe we will have wasted a vote, but I now have many more suspects and posts to analyse. Either way it wont necessarily harm the town/hell/underworld this early on. So I'll keep my vote on him, as the analysis by some has been sound. (TinCow's post above for example).

Thread under analysis. :book2:

[pevergreen]

Following a gut feeling of someone else?
FoS: NN

Even so, I appriciate the help.

Talk CA :whip:

[Sigurd]

HAHAHA...
Confirmed innocent. :2thumbsup:

Let's push for a townie victory shall we?

[Drisos]

Lynching a guy who cant defend them selves are only gonna benefit the mafia
TPs inactiveness suggests his either too busy in RL or he is not aware that the game started. In latter case he is most likely townie


I agree there. Better lynch someone else meanwhile and check if TP is wog'ed or not. will save us 1 lynch.

since my vote is otherwise useless, I'll Unvote: Mouza, Vote: Fahad what others call it, 'a gut feeling'..

[pevergreen]

Yes, lets...

But what are you going to do to help that Sigurd?

[Sigurd]

Having read the posts in this game... I have come to the conclusion that Drisos is mafia. My gut screams it and I feel lucky. :smash:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

HAHAHA...
Confirmed innocent. :2thumbsup:

Make that "very probably" instead of confirmed. My read on the killings (Excellent quick-summary Rythmic!) suggests that we have at least one rogue/SK in the mix. This means that the town cannot use this as an absolute standard, at least as yet. I'm thinking 3 Mafodaemon kills per night and one "independent" who got started N2.


Let's push for a townie victory shall we?

Indeed we shall.


I had suspicions based on post style D1, these continue, so:

Vote: Fahad I



Note: Sasaki, you know the drill on Holmes. This is a good game for that tool, but with less than 400 posts, he'll only have a sense of some of the "old hands"' so far. Your critique would/will be more valid soon.

[Drisos]

:laugh4:

This isn't fair though, Sigurd, you have a much bigger chance than 1 out of 76 ~;) btw, Kukri didn't come forward yet about his card pick stuff, right? :book:

[Sigurd]

Make that "very probably" instead of confirmed. My read on the killings (Excellent quick-summary Rythmic!) suggests that we have at least one rogue/SK in the mix. This means that the town cannot use this as an absolute standard, at least as yet. I'm thinking 3 Mafodaemon kills per night and one "independent" who got started N2.




[...] He turned to see an intruder, standing where the earthen tablet had set just moments before, glowing a pure, seeming to glow a pure, holy light from its very self. The intruder leapt into the air, with gallant wings catching [...] The intruder elevated itself, then came down on Sigurd with as much might as it could muster. Sigurd held out his pitchfork to block the sword, but the blade cut right through the meager defense, [...] lifting its sword, and slashed open the lock, freeing the souls. Its objective accomplished [...]

This is the work of an archangel, there is no doubt in my mind. The glow, the wings and the sword that can't be stopped. Who would in their right mind free the damned souls anyway. This is the work of the light, the enemy of the town.
I will find you Michael, and when I do, I will pluck those feathers one by one from your back and spit you over the flames of hell. The demons shall have roast angel for supper. :yes:

[Proletariat]

Wow, I'm glad I'm on your side.

[Northnovas]

Please learn to count :grin:

There are only 3 kinds of people in this world, people that can count and those that can't.

That's what happens when you C&P rushing to post a new tally and hope one does not go up before you send. :embarassed:

[Ferret]

It was better than my tally, I added on my vote and someone else's bu didn't change the numbers :wall:

[FactionHeir]

I think you both get to be the next WoG victims then :grin:

[Ferret]

wooo hooo, they always get the best deaths anyway :clown:

[naut]

Following a gut feeling of someone else? To be honest I've been getting the same gut feeling. Maybe that's just the way CA plays, but it just seems to out of line. These are just some random thoughts, yet noting these two posts, #1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1868658&postcount=129) and #2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1868673&postcount=134). Here CA subtley protects Hannibal. Although a weak link, I'll continue. Post #3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1870509&postcount=205) suggests a semi-experienced player and #4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1870644&postcount=216) CA points the finger at TP, a player already under a bandwagon. I can take this 2 ways. CA is being sincere OR CA is directing the blame elsewhere.

The easiest way to detect lies through is to place pressure on the party involved, (but easy is relative, its still hard lol). If TP is AFK we can't gauge his reaction, makes it harder when finding other guilty parties.

Then again the only way to see if we're successful is after the night phase. But, then again an experienced player could manipulate it, by not killing during the night. Or we may not be able to find clues due to possible secret roles.

Now if we take a closer look at those who have been knocked of so far they consist of lurkers and experienced players who could have posed a serious threat to the Mafia. These Mafioso know what they are doing. The make-up of those involved is becoming increasingly more defined (and I can practise my Psychology too ~D). The 3 kills in the first night, and the 4 in the second suggests a Mafia member who either lives outside the US, thus meaning it was easy for them to miss the deadline or they are new and were unaware of the rules at that stage.

My second thought is that in this style of Mafia game, the Mafia know who each other are yes? (Like in GH's original?) So that means that at least 1 of them is/or at least seems to be experienced, thus it is hard to pin point Mafia members through an analysis of their experience and their murder targets (what I will term Noob-Vet Quotient), as the make-up of the Mafia may or may not vary from the experienced to the noobish.

Player by Player Analysis:
*Predictions may change on future analysis.

GeneralHankerchief (14) - Well, hard to judge at the moment. Makes a good point #126 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1868625&postcount=126). Post #188 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1870292&postcount=188) he claims 1 thing and goes another way. Stimulating useful discussion. [Prediction=Unclear]

Caius (11) - Hard to analyse, but at the moment I don't sense anything overly Mafia-esque in his posts. [Prediction=Unclear]

pevergreen (11) - Nothing sinister in his posting style. [Prediction=Unclear]

gibsonsg91921 (10) - Possible Innocent, murdered N2. [Prediction=Innocent]

Drisos (10) - Seems to be acting pro-town/hell, the writing style doesn't contain any tell tale Mafia signs. May be manipulating us, I'm interesting in the gut feeling Sigurd has about him. [Prediction=Unclear]

Sasaki Kojiro 9 - Possible Innocent, murdered N2. [Prediction=Innocent]

Proletariat (9) - Possible Innocent, murdered N2. [Prediction=Innocent]

TinCow (8) - Contributing and playing in a similar style to how he was in Capo, analysis suggests innocence. However, his posts contain an air of negativity, often a symptom of guilt. [Prediction=Pending]

Rythmic (8) - I'm sure I'm still suspicious to the rest of you all, but I'm glad to say that even if I'm dead I can still analyse this thread! [Prediction=Innocent]

CountArach (8) - The way he plays just feels incredibly scummy, much like in Capo, little other reasoning. Posts in question #1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1868589&postcount=122), #2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1868673&postcount=134).[Prediction=Unclear]

Mouzafphaerre (8) - Has been mostly under the radar so far, nothing out of the ordinary. [Prediction=Unclear]

Beefy187 (7) - None of his initial posts caught my immediate attention, I think this was a bad lynch first round. [Prediction=Innocent]

Elite Ferret (7) - A number of his posts caught my attention, simply on posting style. [Prediction=Unclear]

FactionHeir (6) - A mixture of suspicious posts and useful posts. [Prediction=Unclear]

Seamus Fermanagh (6) - Seems pro-town/hell, posts and discussion useful at this stage. [Prediction=Unclear]

Ichigo (6) - Temporarily AFK. His few posts have been pretty standard Ichi. [Prediction=Unclear/Possible Innocent]

Crazed Rabbit (5) - Made some meagre contributions early on, quasi-lurking, but playing not entirely dissimilar to Capo. His experience means that we'll only find out his prerogative after more posts/contributions. [Prediction=Unclear]

Hannibalbarc (5) - Limited posts, all overly brief, they seem to be trying to 'withhold' guilt/knowledge. Uses others logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1868658&postcount=129) and contributes nothing new themselves. Voted 'pointlessly' (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1868669&postcount=133), which did create some discussion. Omanes pointed the finger at him, with a half decent point. [Prediction=Unclear]

Fahad I (5) - Suspicious posting style, the use of negative adjectives and lack of pro-nouns suggests he is hiding something. He pleads ignorance, true he hasn't played Mafia before(?), but still, not entirely convincing. [Prediction=Unclear]

Tratorix (5) - Hasn't said anything outrageous or incredibly useful so far. [Prediction=Unclear]

woad&fangs (4) - Has not said anything out of line or worthy of great analysis. Made a few good points so far. [Prediction=Unclear]

Andres (4) Your playing more sincerely than in Capo, though you could be sowing the seeds of confusion, but that seems unlikely. [Prediction=Pending]

shlin28 (4) - Possible Innocent, murdered N1. [Prediction=Innocent]

Northnovas (3) - Nothing to suggest ulterior motives. [Prediction=Unclear]

TruePraetorian (3) - Alerted my attention with his second post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1868535&postcount=119), as it came just minutes after GH's and was a pointless bandwagon. Looks like he will die this round, no opinion on that, as I have re-thought my position and it looks like he's become a scapegoat. [Prediction=Unclear]

BananaBob (3) - His first post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1869492&postcount=178) smells, its got a stench to it, it's too detached, to neutral. It seems guilty, but I'm not willing to place anything further on him until he has posted more (or less). [Prediction=Unclear]

Makanyane (3) - Posts seem light-hearted and sincere, nothing out of the ordinary. [Prediction=Unclear]

Twilightblade (2) - Lurking, and made 1 poor bandwagon vote (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1868821&postcount=148). [Prediction=Unclear]

Sigurd Fafnesbane (2) - Possible Innocent, murdered N2. [Prediction=Innocent]

Joe Monks (2) - Lurking, no useful contributions. Other than making an invalid vote (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1869295&postcount=166). [Prediction=Unclear]

Omanes Alexandrapolites (2) - Made 1 good point on page 4(?), I'm willing to trust his judgement as analysis of his post and the post he quoted seems to draw the same conclusion as his. [Prediction=Innocent]

Sarathos (2) - Player who has not been involved other than 1 post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1869570&postcount=182) that has elements of scum and elements of innocence. [Prediction=Unclear]

Kommodus (2) - Your record as a Mafia finder and your experience makes your inactivity seem to be for personal reasons. Myself and the rest of the town will need your assistance later if we are going to catch the Mafia. However, I'm not entitled to trust you, until you produce something.[Prediction=Unclear]

scottishranger (1) - Possible Innocent, murdered N1. [Prediction=Innocent]

Tiberius of the Drake (1) - AFK. [Prediction=Unclear]

Warluster (1) - Possible Innocent, murdered N1. [Prediction=Innocent]

Yaropolk (1) - AFK. [Prediction=Unclear]

Warmaster Horus (1) - AFK. [Prediction=Unclear]

*If anyone else has anything else they'd like to add I'll be glad to add it.

Now that leads to my FoS:
FoS: Drisos
FoS: CountArach
FoS: HannibalBarc
FoS: Elite Ferret

After all that analysis, I'm going with my gut:

Unvote: TP; Vote: CountArach

HannibalBarc Next!
:medievalcheers:

[naut]

Tally as of #240:
Caius 2 (GH, Fahad I)
Drisos 1 (Mouza)
TruePraetorian 4 (CountArach, w&f, FH, EF)
GeneralHankerchief 1 (TinCow)
Kommodus 1 (Tratorix)
Fahad I 3 (Kommodus, Drisos, Seamus)
CountArach 3 (pever, NN, Ryth)
15 votes out of a possible 33 isn't good enough. Too many lurkers.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Tally (through post #241):


Votes so far (16 of 30 possible):

TruePraetorian = 4 (CA, w&f, FH, EF)

CountArach = 3 (pever, NN, Ryth)

Fahad I = 3 (Kommodus, Drisos, Seamus)

Caius = 2 (GH, Fahad I)

Drisos = 1 (Mouza)

GeneralHankerchief = 1 (TinCow)

Kommodus = 1 (Tratorix)

TinCow = 1 (Andres)

Not Voting = 14 (Banana, Caius, CR, Hannibal, Ichigo, Joe, Mak', Omanes, Sara', Tiber', True', TB, Horus, Yaro')

Italics indicate that the person has not even attempted to lodge a vote (illegal, late or otherewise). Joe and True's attempts didn't work last time, but an attempt was made.

[Hannibalbarc]

Fos: Rythmic
In your player analysis you pointed at a lot of people(including myself) because in the first round they didn't have a good reason for their voting whomever they voted for... were as your first vote=random just like everybody else.

As much as I'd like to follow Rule #1. I think the chances of Sasaki being Mafia again are incredibly slim. So instead I'll pick someone completely at random.

Vote: TruePraetorian
I believe Prol to be an innocent, so I'll Vote TP
Tally
TruePraetorian = 5 (CA, w&f, FH, EF, Hannibal)

CountArach = 3 (pever, NN, Ryth)

Fahad I = 3 (Kommodus, Drisos, Seamus)

Caius = 2 (GH, Fahad I)

Drisos = 1 (Mouza)

GeneralHankerchief = 1 (TinCow)

Kommodus = 1 (Tratorix)

TinCow = 1 (Andres)

Not Voting = 13 (Banana, Caius, CR, Ichigo, Joe, Mak', Omanes, Sara', Tiber', True', TB, Horus, Yaro')
EDIT: Seamus posted while I was writing my post(due to an interuption it took a long time to write) so I edited to correct tally

[Crazed Rabbit]

Vote: Kommodus

In capo he claimed he had a new formula that could identify mafia with no prior games and little evidence. Now he's got nothing. Sasaki's right about his MO as mafia.

EDIT:
Tally
TruePraetorian = 5 (CA, w&f, FH, EF, Hannibal)

CountArach = 3 (pever, NN, Ryth)

Fahad I = 3 (Kommodus, Drisos, Seamus)

Caius = 2 (GH, Fahad I)

Drisos = 1 (Mouza)

GeneralHankerchief = 1 (TinCow)

Kommodus = 2 (Tratorix, Crazed Rabbit)

TinCow = 1 (Andres)

CR

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Kommodus

In capo he claimed he had a new formula that could identify mafia with no prior games and little evidence. Now he's got nothing. Sasaki's right about his MO as mafia.

CR

IIRC, he was also mafia in that game and put suspicion on hannibalbarc (including the new bit about Holmes) to take suspicion off himself. Since he was mafia in that game, it's reasonable to assume that he was lying about the new features.

That said, I still want something more concrete from Kommo. The path he is going down looks very familiar.

I'm going to read the last couple of pages of Capo to see if he said outright he was lying about Holmes.

-edit-

Okay, I couldn't find anything straight from the horse's mouth, but here was a comment from Seamus in his description of what everybody did:


Kommodus did use his cachet as “mafia hunter” to get HannibalBarca lynched, but was unable to save Tiberius of the Drake thereby.

I can't remember the exact sequence of events, but I think Kommo unleashed his "new version of Holmes" and got Hannibal lynched during the same day phase. Anyone want to feel like confirming?

[Sigurd]

I can't remember the exact sequence of events, but I think Kommo unleashed his "new version of Holmes" and got Hannibal lynched during the same day phase. Anyone want to feel like confirming?

I can confirm that Kommodus used his new Holmes on Hannibalbarc. He told me that it was a good read and that he believed that Hannibal was mafia.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Was that before or after he was revealed to be mafia?

[Sigurd]

Was that before or after he was revealed to be mafia?
Well if you know the dates of the reveal...
I asked Kommodus about this and he answered 10 Feburary 2008 at 02:26 CET.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well if you know the dates of the reveal...
I asked Kommodus about this and he answered 10 Feburary 2008 at 02:26 CET.

Capo Story post, February 20th:


Fermanagh smiled.

“But we did eliminate some of the scum too. Kommodus was a Mafia Luca – one of their special protection thugs, and Omanes Alexandrapolites was a DON!

So he was still masquerading as a townie then, which means we're still not sure that he was telling the truth about Holmes v2.0. :wall:

[Sigurd]

So he was still masquerading as a townie then, which means we're still not sure that he was telling the truth about Holmes v2.0. :wall:
Why would he lie to his Don?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oh crap, forgot about that. Disregard everything I said.