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Vladimir

05-18-2010, 01:12

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ydgtid5uzmz/Concert

Gentlemen,

Here is the draft version of the Concert of Europe map. If you don't have EU2 let me know if you need a screenshot of your territory. I only did the old world. I need specific information for the new world and any corrections to the old.

There are a few, issues: When loading the game you may encounter a few errors. "Ignore" them. Independent Belgium is a colony of Zimbabwe (Two of my favorite countries :grin: ) so it may look a little weird. Tripoli is Egypt for simplicity sake.

I know this isn't entirely accurate and need specifics from everyone, Franc in particular, and will adjust the map for the new chapter.

Centurion1

05-18-2010, 01:46

yeah ill be needing screenshots please.

Master Magic Mage

05-18-2010, 07:38

Yeah, same.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

05-18-2010, 15:25

I don't got EU2. I need some screenshots please + some of the Ottoman Empire :yes: :clown:.

Vladimir

05-18-2010, 16:40

Cool. I'll send them out once I have a finished product. I really recommend buying the game though. $10 and it's really fun.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

05-19-2010, 14:11

Cool. I'll send them out once I have a finished product. I really recommend buying the game though. $10 and it's really fun.

If I wasn't broke :yes: :laugh:.

Franconicus

05-20-2010, 17:54

I have all moves now and am working on the story. Let`s hope for the best!!

Vladimir

05-20-2010, 18:00

My heart stopped. I thought the chapter was up.

Peasant Phill

05-20-2010, 19:48

The ball's rolling again. This is definitely going to be interesting.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

05-20-2010, 20:25

My heart stopped. I thought the chapter was up.

Same thing. God Bless help us all.

Vladimir

05-20-2010, 20:31

The ball's rolling again.

Maybe like a, steamroller maybe??? :evil:

Centurion1

05-21-2010, 03:34

Thevsuspense is killing me

Vladimir

05-21-2010, 05:17

Thevsuspense is killing me

:grin:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

05-21-2010, 15:54

Thevsuspense is killing me

I hope Poland behaves with Russia thia chapter :D.

Vladimir

05-21-2010, 16:47

I hope Poland behaves with Russia thia chapter :D.

If not, I'll buy them a plane ticket and they can come talk to me.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

05-21-2010, 16:49

If not, I'll buy them a plane ticket and they can come talk to me.

Hope the plane works :clown:.

Peasant Phill

05-21-2010, 19:35

Maybe like a, steamroller maybe??? :evil:

You're not alluding to anyones actions are you?

Master Magic Mage

05-21-2010, 19:51

*Notices watch is dead* Well, best get a couple more.

Centurion1

05-21-2010, 22:31

Oh vlad that was just wrong

Vladimir

05-24-2010, 16:03

I was playing a little EU II as Muscovy this weekend. I got my two favorite events: "IT ALL BELONGS TO MOTHER RUSSIA!!!"

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

05-24-2010, 18:34

I was playing a little EU II as Muscovy this weekend. I got my two favorite events: "IT ALL BELONGS TO MOTHER RUSSIA!!!"

I hope Fran is well, he hasn't been on for almost a week.

Vladimir

05-24-2010, 18:35

Me too. The guy is a mystery.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

05-24-2010, 18:39

I play aganist him once in a IH, I was Austria (Go Figure) and he was France, back in 2007 in the Spanish War of Sucession IH, which you can find here Vladimir if you go back a few pages :clown:. Good IH player/Storyteller.

Franconicus

05-25-2010, 06:05

Me too. The guy is a mystery. Yes, I am a ghost! :bow:

Good IH player/Storyteller You make me blush!

Curreently, the (hi)story is stopped by immense trouble with my job and huge difficulties with my internet access. I am working on both and will inform you asap.
I appologize for the trouble caused!

Yet, this is an opportunity for Prussia to send Her orders.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

05-25-2010, 14:26

Yes, I am a ghost! :bow:
You make me blush!

Curreently, the (hi)story is stopped by immense trouble with my job and huge difficulties with my internet access. I am working on both and will inform you asap.
I appologize for the trouble caused!

Yet, this is an opportunity for Prussia to send Her orders.

Take your time Herr Fran :clown:.

Master Magic Mage

05-25-2010, 20:27

You mean signore Fran.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

05-25-2010, 22:24

Yes :clown:.

Vladimir

05-28-2010, 19:55

Another week down.

I hope things are working out Franc. Europe needs you! :needEUflag:

Franconicus

06-01-2010, 16:27

Chapter 13 – June 1828 to May 1829

active players list:

Netherlands - warluster
Egypt - Peasant Phill
United Kingdom - King Kurt
France - kagemusha
Polish parliament - Centurion 1
Prussia - Subotan
Austria - antiwarmancake
Russia and Poland - Vladimir
Sardinia, Savoy and Piemont - Master Magic Mage

The Dutch King tries to appease the situation. He raises a so-called peace keeping force formed by civil militia and sends it to the rebel provinces. He promises complete independency of Belgium with own laws and own parliament, as long as he will be monarch of both countries, Holland and Belgium. And finally, he tries to get support of his French neighbor by giving him money and free trade opportunities.

When the peace keeping force enters Belgium, they find Brussels occupied by rebels, which are not willing to negotiate but insist on complete independency from the Dutch King. The commander of the Dutch force hesitates and sends for new orders.
In the meanwhile, French troops cross the border to Luxembourg. The French army of around 40,000 men has the order to assault the fortress of L. and to end the rebellion there. The rebels at L. retreat into the fortress. France immediately begins besieging. Although there are quite a lot casualties from desertion, the defenders cannot stand the pressure for long and soon they have to surrender. The French commander sends all rebels as prisoners to the French fortress of Metz.
The news about the French expedition soon spreads throughout the lands. At the gates of Brussels the catholic members of the Dutch forces rebel and join the Belgium nationalists. The Dutch commander is imprisoned and the protestant peace keepers have to leave the country hastily.
At the Rhineland, the news from Luxembourg increases the fire of the revolution. The citizens of Cologne put up a militia and imprison the local garrison. The Prussian King sends his army, mainly soldiers from catholic areas. When the regular troops meet the rebel militias, the soldiers refuse to open fire and the Prussian commander decides to retreat, in hope that the situation will come under control again.

Revolution begins to spread. Frankfurt and Hessen get under control of the citizen. Leaders from the Rhine provinces and Baden meet at Frankfurt. They declare a free and united Germany and invite all German countries to send elected agents to the parliament at Frankfurt to decide about a new constitution.

The government at Berlin breaks down. The King appoints a new Kanzler named Bismarck and declares that he is not going to care about ordinary policy any longer.
Although busy with the unrest, Bismarck finds time to foster economy. The government founds new banks, the "Royal Bank of Prussia", the "Overseas Prussian Investment Bank", the "Industrial German Bank", the "Commercial Investment Bank".

At Vienna, Metternich does not hesitate to fight the revolutionary tendencies in Germany and sends an army of about 18,000 under Friedrich von Hohenzollern-Hechingen through Bavaria to Baden. Her order is to support the authorities and to restore order at Baden.

The militias of Baden do not want to share the fate of their brothers from Luxembourg and retreat towards Hessen before the Austrian troops reach the capitol.

Hohenzollern occupies Baden-Baden, when he is taken by surprise by news from Munich. There, as a result of new taxes and higher corn prices, the price for beer has been increased by 15%, which led to a rebellion of the citizen of Munich. Even though the Bavarian King passes a law to reduce the beer price, this cannot stop the rebellion. Hohenzollern, suddenly cut off from Austria, decides to turn around. He makes his army march day and night until he reaches the Bavarian capitol. His soldiers soon end the Bavarian beer revolution and restore order again.

Metternich also organizes a meeting with a Russian military delegation led by General Jomini and the Austrian Erzherzog Karl to discuss the situation on the Balkans and to coordinate the response of Russia and Austria.
And the situation on the Balkans is surely worth discussion.

At London, Lord Canning dies. He had led his country through successfully through times of crisis - as his supporters say - which he had caused all alone - as his opponents say. The King nominates the Duke of Wellington, the veteran of the Battle of Waterloo. Some say that he is the right person in these war times, while other say that his nomination is not a good signal for those that hope for peace.
However, the first thing he does is start to negotiate with the Americans and soon he is able to sign a cease fire treaty. The UK gives up all provinces on the American continent. In return, the U.S. accepts the dominance of England at Morocco and agrees on a trade agreement. In a final peace agreement, England recognizes the sovereignty of the Moroccan ruler, and receives privileges for his navy and trade fleet.
Then Wellington turns to the other war, the war against the Ottoman Empire. British troops around Istanbul receive reinforcement and the siege becomes even more bloody. The fortifications of the Ottoman capitol are strong and there are many regular and irregular troops. The British dig trenches all around the town and bombard the city with modern artillery. The Royal Navy supports the mission by sending supply, bombarding and blocking the entrance of the Black Sea.
All neutral ships are stopped and controlled. A Russian ship with a cargo of guns and ammo, is arrested.
During winter, the situation becomes uncomfortable for both sides. Hunger rules and diseases cause numerous casualties. In December, the Sultan, still inside the besieged capital, commits suicide inside his palace. Yet, the military commander still refuses to negotiate with the British. In January, the British assault the walls, but in a desperate counterstrike, the Ottoman troops pull back the intruders. After this eruption of violence, the front becomes quiet again, only the permanent bombardment disturbs the silence. Moral on both sides declines and the fortifications become more and more weak.

At Greek, the nationalists found a new parliament and install a new monarchy. The new king Skipardis declares war against Egypt and demands to liberate Crete. On the island, fighting goes on with increasing density and brutality. Volunteers and money from all over Europe meets an increasing number of Egyptian soldiers.
The Polish parliament decides to increase the number of the armed forces by one third. There are three Polish armies now, and one of them, called the doves, is send to Greece to support the humanitarian workers there.
The Polish parliament also lowers tariffs on export and imports and tries to attract investors from abroad. Poland also passes a "National Fleet Program". Ship yards are built and new ships designed.
A brand new university is found at Warsaw, with teachers from Poland and Western Europe.
Poland guarantees religious freedom and abolishes conscription and draft.

Russian troops march into Wallachia and Moldavia, where they build up local administration and recruit local militias. Military advisors are also send to Serbia.

At Turkey, a circle of generals tries to secure order with the armed forces and installs a puppet monarch. This becomes necessary as religious radicals gain influence on the common people but also on members of the armed forces.
The Mahdi of the Levant class all Muslims to stand up and to defeat the Christian unbelievers. His own forces are getting stronger day by day.
Egypt tries to use the weakness of the Ottoman Empire to become the leading nation in the Mediterranean Sea. While it is trying to strengthen the control of the Sudan, it is trying to make an alliance with Morocco, Libya and Algeria. After long negotiations it seems as if most of the tribes in Libya and Algeria agree to a pact against the English.

At Italy, the King of Sardinia announces the building of a new, horse-powered railroad to connect the cities of Torino and Genoa. He also tries to host a meeting about Italian unification. However, interest is low. The Pope informs him, that any idea about changing the status of Rome will be declared as an hostile act against the church. Tuscany and the two Sicilies do not answer at all.
Positive echo comes from the Italian nationalists, which found the Italian Liberation Movement. They proclaim a united Italian Kingdom under the Sardinian King Albertino. The ILM tries to spread her ideas via newspapers and collects money to raise and train troops.

At Southern Africa, the expedition forces of France and Egypt increase their territories along the Western coast. The English governor sends most of his forces to cover the border to his new "neighbors". About 10,000 settlers of Dutch heritage leave the British colony to found an independent republic at the eastern coast.

At Zanzibar, the Dutch governor is building up an administration. The port is increased to build a base for the Dutch navy and for merchant ships.

China limits the trade with European traders. Only the Dutch seem to have some privileges.

Surveying is done along the planned Railroad from Vienna, Salzburg, Munich and the building of the bridges begins. It is still undecided, where the locomotives will be come from, as there does not seem to be a skilled manufacturer on the continent. For Bavaria, the administration decides to use horse powered trains. Only for the mountains there should be some steam power engines.

A French company plans to build a telegraph line from Paris via Luxembourg to Cologne. This line should be used for business, but should also be usable for private use. Negotiations with the French and the Prussian government will soon be started.

Economy and science:

All over Europe, engineers work on new rifles, which can be loaded more rapidly and fired with higher accurancy.
Netherlands: the rebellion of Belgium is a heavy burden of trade and tax income. Fortunately, oversea trade is not affected. Trade with Far East, Middle East and America is good, only the trade with Russia and Ottoman is decreasing.
Egypt - Trade with Otto and Russia is gone, but trade with Sudan is compensating that.
United Kingdom - Peace with America, trade with France and Southern Europe is boosting your economy. Factories are running again and flooding the world with cheap goods.
France - Due to the infrastructure programs. economy is recovering. However, income from taxes and tariffs is declining. Trade with the Dutch is cut off.
Polish parliament - Economy is slowly increasing. However, tax income is decreasing, while expenses are growing rapidly.

Prussia - Economy suffers from the unrest. Tax income is going down, but reduction of the army compensates this (115 men, was that correct?).
Austria - Trade with Otto is breaking away, but Greek seems to offer good opportunities.
Russia and Poland - Although the conditions of life haven't change much, you are quite popular. However, people urge you to open the Dardanelles and to occupy Istanbul.
Sardinia, Savoy and Piemont - Most of the Italians - except the princes - see you as a kind of national messiahs. Do not disappoint them.
To the Pole: What exactly are your fleet plans?
To France: The academy demands some warships to be equipped with the new weapons!
To Russia: If Poland is an independent country, shall they have their share of your debts? I reduced your army by 30,000 and your income by 2 mio.
1828/1829 Income next year A-cost Fleet debt Army seize
AUSTRIA 14.000.000 15.650.000 100.000 103.250.000 229.000
PRUSSIA 8.000.00 11.500.000 500.000 154.500.000 115.000
RUSSIA 7.000.000 3.000.000 0 192.000.000 50.000
ENGLAND 14.000.000 5.400.000 4.500.000 170.300.000 45.000
FRANCE 7.000.000 4.000.000 600.000 186.950.000 40.000
Sardinia 4.000.000 3.600.000 150.000 7.400.000 40.000
Netherlan 5.5000.000 1.500.000 3.200.000 9.100.000 15.000
Egypt 4.500.000 3.500.000 700.000 37.800.000 50.000
Poland 2.000.000 4.000.000 0 0 2.000.000 40.000

I will go on holiday on Monday and be away for two weeks! I hope you have enough stuff for dip, war and budget planning!

Kagemusha

06-01-2010, 16:40

Great Chapter Franc!:bow:

Vladimir

06-01-2010, 18:14

Enjoy your holiday. I shall send my finest Cossack guards to accompany you!

Peasant Phill

06-01-2010, 19:35

Have a good holiday, Franc. I really enjoyed your take at the Belgian history this update. You know your history well.

Vladimir

06-01-2010, 19:58

Have a good holiday, Franc. I really enjoyed your take at the Belgian history this update. You know your history well.

Yea. There is NO WAY revolting would ever be associated with Belgian beer. :2thumbsup:

Vladimir

06-01-2010, 22:40

1828/1829 --Income next year----A-cost -----------------Fleet -----------debt --------------Army seize
AUSTRIA -----14.000.000 --------15.650.000 ----------100.000 ------103.250.000 ------229.000
PRUSSIA -----8.000.00 -----------11.500.000 ----------500.000 ------154.500.000 ------115.000
RUSSIA ------7.000.000------------ 3.000.000 ----------0 ---------------192.000.000 --------50.000
ENGLAND ----14.000.000 ----------5.400.000 ----------4.500.000 ----170.300.000 -------45.000
FRANCE ------7.000.000 -----------4.000.000 -----------600.000 -----186.950.000 ---------40.000
Sardinia -------4.000.000 -----------3.600.000 -----------150.000 -------7.400.000 -----------40.000
Netherlan -----5.5000.000 ---------1.500.000 ---------3.200.000 -------9.100.000 ----------15.000
Egypt ---------4.500.000 ----------3.500.000 ------------700.000 ------37.800.000 ---------50.000
Poland --------2.000.000 ----------4.000.000 ------------0 -------------- 2.000.000 --------40.000

That's a little more readable. I don't know how to draft a table.

Franc: My army numbers are off. That's only the size of ONE of my armies. The details of which are in the outline I sent you. I'll send you an update with a few tweaks.

Is this the start of the new fiscal year then?

Subotan

06-02-2010, 09:12

Umm, I don't have a fleet...

Subotan

06-02-2010, 10:46

The Prussian Government hereby agrees with the Frankfurt Assembly's proposal, and we shall send elected representatives of the Kingdom of Prussia. We propose that seats in the Assembly be allocated as according to the each country's percentage of the total population of Germany. We look forward to discussing ways to decrease the trade barriers between the German states.

To the Catholic population of Prussia; the time for unrest is over. Your cries for religious equality have been muddled with the demands for chaos and tyranny by anarchists and republicans. In the confusion that arose, Berlin managed to see only disobedience when we should have seen discrimination. For this, I have appointed a new Chancellor to show my sincerity in admitting responsibility for the deaths in Cologne. I have thus agreed with the Chancellor to change our policy towards Catholicism:

Protestantism shall no longer be the state religion of the Kingdom of Prussia; rather, Christianity shall be established as the religion of the state, in order to incorporate all good German Christians. All offices that were previously open to Protestants shall now be open to people of all faiths, with the exception of the monarchy. It is important to remember that we are all Germans, and that it is a terrible tragedy that we are fighting amongst ourselves whilst Germans endure a foreign yoke in Schleswig-Holstein and Luxembourg. I am directing the Industrial German Bank to focus on investment in business and industry in the Ruhr region around Cologne, to help lift the Germans in that area from poverty and reduce economic tension. I hope that our Catholic fellow Prussians will accept the apology of the Prussian state, and trust that it will alleviate the concerns of the people of Cologne.

To that end, Prussia strongly condemns the French invasion of Luxemburg. We demand that the French remove 3/4's of their forces from Luxemburg, and accept that a Prussian force of equal to to 1/4 of French troops left in Luxemburg join the French as a peacekeeping force. We regard with disdain the French government's rashness in resorting to cannon fire before diplomacy, and regret the many Germans who have been killed by the French. We propose that a compromise is reached, and that the moderate Leopold IV, Duke of Anhalt be appointed Duke of Luxemburg, in an attempt to reconcile the differences between the liberals and conservatives in Luxemburg. We call to all Germans to support Prussia in it's endeavours to secure the liberty and security of the German Volk in Luxemburg.

Prussia also calls for moderation in the Netherlands internal dispute, and wishes that both sides will not resort to violence.

Kagemusha

06-02-2010, 15:24

Subotan

06-02-2010, 15:56

active players list:

Prussia - Subotan

After Old King Csargo passed away, I ascended to the throne. If there was correspondence between you and Csargo regarding Luxemburg, then I was not informed about it, and I regret that. However, I do not regret the change in policy that Prussia has towards the Luxemburg Crisis.

Your actions were intended to restore peace to the Netherlands and return Europe to stability; they have in fact unleashed chaos upon the continent! Your occupation of Luxemburg is not just regarded as illegitimate by Luxemburgers and Germans, but by people across Europe. You have no business in restoring the people of a free state to domination by a hated King.

Even it if was still a domestic issue of the Netherlands (Which it clearly isn't), it is clear that King Warluster has lost control of the situation. How could you expect a Protestant Dutch King to rule over a bilingual French and German population? Our proposal shall restore the peace you have destroyed, whilst not swinging recklessly Radical.

There is nothing at stake here for you. You say you wish for peace in Europe; if that is true, than a proposal which involves more European involvement would surely be a good thing. Unless, of course, you have ulterior motives...

Kagemusha

06-02-2010, 16:09

To Prussia,

So you are threatening the integrity of Netherlands by meddling into their internal affairs? France has not escalated anything, but put down an illegal rising against the lawfull government of Netherlands.France came invited to restore peace in Dutch lands and Prussia has the audacity to meddle into internal affairs of Netherlands. France would be very interested what the other Great European powers have to say about Prussia violating the Concert of Europe. It would seem clear that the new ruler of Prussia has little respect towards international agreements and is possessed by National fanatism. You are not Germany, but each German state is guaranteed by the concert of Europe.If you violate their self integrity. You can expect a proper reaction from the Concert. Consider yourself warned from interfering on internal affairs of Netherlands. France is sad to see that the new Monarch of Prussia eliminates the changes of better Franco - Prussian relationship to develop, which was progressing well before the change in Prussian leadership.

Louis-Philippe I, Royaume des Français

Subotan

06-02-2010, 19:32

Meddling? I always thought meddling was defined as invading a country and occupy it, rather than wishing to restore it's territorial integrity. I do not claim to be the Monarch of Germany, but I am a Monarch of Germans, and it is my duty to defend Germans wherever they may be found. They are found in sufficient quantities in Luxemburg to warrant action by the Prussian state. You may

I have proposed an amiable alternative to the fiendish plot you suggest, the oppression of Luxemburgers. The Prussian Plan is to allow the Duke of Anhalt, an independent monarch with moderate credentials, to ascend to the throne of Grand Duke of Luxemburg. This solution would both please the people of Luxemburg, without being too radical.

You say I am acting without the permission of the Concert. If that is so, then why did France decide to act unilaterally to seize Luxemburg for itself? Surely if they were acting in the interests of the Concert, then they would have erquetsed aid from the German Confederation as well.

Rulers of Europe, see how hard it is to dislodge the Frenchman once he has wedged himself into the cracks of the wall of Luxemburg. It is self evident that he has no respect either for the wishes of the people of Luxemburg, or the international balance of power. We all know that Luxemburg is a strategic point. With Luxemburg under the control of the French, The Rheinland is wide open to a Napoleonic onslaught. However, we are considerate enough to not desire this fortress for ourselves. Luxemburg must be a neutral state.

Kagemusha

06-02-2010, 20:24

To Prussia,

First you are not King of Germans. You are a German king.More accurately Monarch of Prussians.You dont hold any power over Germans as people. I think Austria for example can educate you about that bit.What the Prussian Monarch doesnt seem to comprehend is that France has not seized anything, but helped our allies after their official request. Luxembourg remains as part of Netherlands, like internationally decided in congress of Vienna. Prussia does not have any kind of say to internal matters of Netherlands. If you insist you do,then you are attacking the self autonomy of Netherlands, thus turning against the Concert. Prussia does not have any right to proclaim anyone to rule Luxembourg. It is insulting to begin with that you feel the right to try and start negotiating with France about the fate of Dutch possessions. France will guarantee as part of the Concert the current Dutch possessions and the integrity of Netherlands as independent monarchy.

Other then that we feel your propaganda insulting to France and hereby do not consider you a friendly state to us anymore. It is a pity as we thought Prussia would be a positive force, which would work hard in order to settle down the turbulences in Germany, but it seems that you are only trying to gain more power with this excuse.I hope the other powers of the concert will aknowledge and judge accordingly your insolence and disrespect towards your neighbours. We have nothing else to add to this conversation. Instead we would like to hear the opinions of the other Great powers about the illegit charges of King of Prussia and their views about his meddling with internal affairs of Netherlands.

Louis-Philippe I, Royaume des Français

Vladimir

06-02-2010, 20:38

Esteemed members of Congress:

I am pleased to announce a recent agreement between the British, Austrian, and Russian empires. This agreement will end the bloody siege of Constantinople and restore peace in the region. The agreement is as follows:

The Ottoman Empire will be divided into the following spheres of influence:

1. The land from the north of Greece and between the Adriatic and black sea will be under the protection of the Austrian Empire.

2. Greece and the islands in the Adriatic, excluding those claimed by Egypt, will fall under British protection.

3. Asia Minor will be under Russian protection.

4. Constantinople, known as Istanbul by non-Orthodox powers, and it's environs will be under control of an equal representation of Russian, Austrian, and British governance. Constantinople shall be a free port and serve as a location where the great powers can freely meet to discuss issues. Russia, Austria, and Great Britain will guarantee the openness of the Dardanelles. Any attack on the city or closure of the straights grants a caucus belli against that sovereign.

The Ottoman Empire will not officially be dissolved. Each great power will serve as protector over their spheres of influence and not annex the territories. The current Ottoman leadership will be exiled to Saint Helena and a new Sultan chosen from among the Ottomans. The Ottoman Sultan will remain head of state and no party will force religious conversion. A decentralized government focused on localized, regional rule will be established.

Let this be an example to all that such disputes over cities can be peacefully resolved. Once order is restored in Constantinople I invite representatives from France and Prussia to come and discuss their issues peacefully, lest the continent be plunged into war yet again.

Nicholas I
Emperor and Autocrat of All the Russias
King of Poland; Grand Duke of Finland

Kagemusha

06-02-2010, 21:10

France congratulates Russia,Austria and Great Britain for this treaty! But we must honourably decline Russias invitation to negotiations with Prussia. Based on the following reasons.

Neither Prussia nor France has a say in internal affairs of Netherlands. Which should be decided by the Dutch Monarchy and their parliament.The issue of Luxembourg is not international, but national affair, so foreign powers do not have a mandate to decide over Dutch issues, unless the Congress decides that Luxembourg and Belgium are not part of Netherlands anymore. Which in principle would violate the earlier decisions of the Congress. So if there is not concencus amongst the European great powers that the Luxembourg and Belgian rebellion is international conflict, there is nothing to talk about. Expect the false accusations of Prussia and their propaganda against France.

Subotan

06-02-2010, 22:35

To Prussia,

First you are not King of Germans. You are a German king.More accurately Monarch of Prussians.You dont hold any power over Germans as people.
I already said that >_>

I do not claim to be the Monarch of Germany, but I am a Monarch of Germans, and it is my duty to defend Germans wherever they may be found.

What the Prussian Monarch doesnt seem to comprehend is that France has not seized anything, but helped our allies after their official request.
That's what you say now.
Asking for aid to help oppress his own subjects? What a joke. That is not aid, but tyranny.

If you insist you do,then you are attacking the self autonomy of Netherlands, thus turning against the Concert.
The Monarch of the Netherlands has clearly lost control of the situation. The circumstances the Concert was built upon have changed, and it was be foolish to try to stand against the March of Time. If the concert wishes to survive, then it must adapt to changes in the Balance in Power, such as Luxemburg's position becoming untenable. The occupation of the Luxemburg fortress by the French is a severe threat to Prussia and world peace. The temporary condominium between you and myself would alleviate those fears.

It is a pity as we thought Prussia would be a positive force, which would work hard in order to settle down the turbulences in Germany, but it seems that you are only trying to gain more power with this excuse.
This is coming from the country which seized a strategic fortress in the name of "aid"? How droll!

I hope the other powers of the concert will aknowledge and judge accordingly your insolence and disrespect towards your neighbours. We have nothing else to add to this conversation. Instead we would like to hear the opinions of the other Great powers about the illegit charges of King of Prussia and their views about his meddling with internal affairs of Netherlands.
Just to remind the other Great Powers; I'm the one saying that he should agree to share the fortress temporarily, after he invaded, sparking chaos across Europe.

Let this be an example to all that such disputes over cities can be peacefully resolved. Once order is restored in Constantinople I invite representatives from France and Prussia to come and discuss their issues peacefully, lest the continent be plunged into war yet again.

Peaceful discussion sounds like a great plan (As opposed to invasion), although somewhere closer to both of our borders would probably be more suitable. Switzerland perhaps?

But we must honourably decline Russias invitation to negotiations with Prussia.
And thus the chameleon reveals his true colours. Spurning the offer to negotiate, France is selfishly ignoring the input of the other Powers.

Neither Prussia nor France has a say in internal affairs of Netherlands. Which should be decided by the Dutch Monarchy and their parliament.The issue of Luxembourg is not international, but national affair, so foreign powers do not have a mandate to decide over Dutch issues, unless the Congress decides that Luxembourg and Belgium are not part of Netherlands anymore. Which in principle would violate the earlier decisions of the Congress. So if there is not concencus amongst the European great powers that the Luxembourg and Belgian rebellion is international conflict, there is nothing to talk about. Expect the false accusations of Prussia and their propaganda against France.
You made it international by invading. Whether it was international or not prior to the invasion was disputable; it most certainly is now. Your foolish actions have made the situation a lot worse, with Brussels in the hands of extremists, and sparking riots all over Europe. I am trying to correct the mistakes of the French by reaching a consensus between the German people in Luxemburg and the Concert. You are imposing madness.

Kagemusha

06-02-2010, 22:51

You are Monarch of Prussians.I am at loss of words with the Prussian Monarch. You dont remember claiming that you have authority to protect any German populations no matter what country they live in? Putting down a revolt is not opression. Revolting against lawfull government is a crime. punishable by death. Second the use of French troops to assist Netherlands doesnt violate any deals what so ever and does not make it international. If i would not support my ally if he has internal problems then my moral ground would be questionable. You can twist your words as much as you like, but you dont have any legimite rights to intervene in Dutch internal affairs at all. So please consult your lawyers next time before you start making pompous remarks. France is disappointed with the behaviour of the Prussian King and about the lack of knowledge about law and international agreements. Also your lack of knowledge of factual events disturb us.Bryssels was in hands of rebels well before France decided to help our Dutch allies. I am waiting for the Dutch King to make a statement and France will do as he decides. Prussia should also start showing some respect to Netherlands. The new Monarch has already succeeded in calling King of Netherlands as Tyrant and France as warmongers. We are very disappointed.

Louis-Philippe I, Royaume des Français

Subotan

06-02-2010, 23:09

You are Monarch of Prussians.I am at loss of words with the Prussian Monarch. You dont remember claiming that you have authority to protect any German populations no matter what country they live in?
And Prussians are Germans. I am Monarch of a constituent state of the German Confederation, as is Luxemburg, and Prussia must respond to the damage caused by the French troops.

Putting down a revolt is not opression. Revolting against lawfull government is a crime. punishable by death.
A revolt, yes. But when the Dutch monarch has lost control of half of the country, deals have to be spun, and the international community must adjust to the new reality, a crisis.

Second the use of French troops to assist Netherlands doesnt violate any deals what so ever and does not make it international.
The only way it would not be international would be if the Netherlands was a province of France, which it clearly isn't. When a foreign power intervened in Luxemburg, you made it international. Thus an international response, with the input of Prussia, is required to correct this disaster.

You can twist your words as much as you like, but you dont have any legimite rights to intervene in Dutch internal affairs at all
Again, if the Dutch King possessed the confidence of his people and his Parliament, then it would not even cross my mind to intervene on the behalf of the happy Luxembergrers. However, the opposite is the case, and as I border the Netherlands, and the Germans in Luxemburg, I must respond. To stand aside would be a crime.

Y Also your lack of knowledge of factual events disturb us.Bryssels was in hands of rebels well before France decided to help our Dutch allies.
Rebels who had the possibility of being crushed by Dutch troops. Your actions made that impossible, a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I am waiting for the Dutch King to make a statement and France will do as he decides
I am prepared to listen to the Dutch King as well, but he must be aware that concessions will have to be made. There is very little hope of the Dutch regaining control over the entire Low Countries, due to his internal position. The opinions of the other Great Powers must be considered as well.

Kagemusha

06-02-2010, 23:14

Your only point is that you are not honouring the independancy of Netherlands as i already stated in my very first post. You somehow seem to think that Netherlands has lost its autonomy because of this rebellion, which is not the case. It is like saying that if Irish would rebel in Great Britain.You would automatically have right to intervene in British internal affairs. So your reasoning is false, unlawfull and against the Concert. There is nothing more to it. Our advice to you is that, remind the rebellions in your own lands and stay out of the affairs of other countries.

Subotan

06-02-2010, 23:18

I have already taken steps to assure the Catholic protesters, and I trust that that protest shall shortly come to an end.

Of course the Netherlands has not lost it's autonomy. I suggested nothing of the sort. But a mere revolt has transformed into a full blown revolution, thanks to Frances' actions. Compromise is the only permanent solution.

Your analogy is false. Of course I would have no right to intervene if Ireland revolted. But if Britain asked for a French army to put down the rebellion, then I would feel the need to comment. Only if Ireland was populated by Germans and a key fortress that had to be kept in neutral hands to assure Prussian safety would I feel a need to intervene like this.

Kagemusha

06-02-2010, 23:24

You can feel the need to what ever you want, but if ally of one country helps the said country in keeping peace and order. That doesnt give any third party any kind of mandate to intervene. Also. Before France accepted the call of our ally to help them, both Belgium and Luxembourg was under control of rebels. Now only Southern Belgium remains in the control of rebels. So do not out right lie. We regret continuing this talk with you as it is clear that you are just talking in circles, while the law and international agreements are against you. So like we said before let us wait the input of other countries and even more so the opinions of Netherland. Which is the solem power to have authority legimitely decide this issue.

Centurion1

06-03-2010, 04:13

Poland welcomes trade with all nations

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

06-03-2010, 15:46

Gone for 8 days and all of this happens! :clown:

King Kurt

06-03-2010, 16:37

Gone for 8 days and all of this happens! :clown:

Warman - have you been off with this operation on your wrists?
I trust all has gone well - you seem able to type!!
Welcome back

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

06-03-2010, 16:54

Warman - have you been off with this operation on your wrists?
I trust all has gone well - you seem able to type!!
Welcome back

Thanks KK. :yes:
I reply to all PM's once I read everything. I still can't play online like I use to of course, but with careful typing and rest every so often. I can type all I want.

:book:

Kagemusha

06-03-2010, 17:23

So as we dont have any responses from the other great powers. We ask should France understand this as other powers agreeing with Prussia and their accusations? If that is indeed the case.France will immediately withdraw from Luxembourg and will not react any further to anything happening in Germany or inside Dutch borders, if the Concert´s view is that helping an ally is indeed unlawfull act from France.. We think atleast in that case Prussia would be happy to restore peace in all Germany. We are most disturbed at the silence amongst the members of the Concert.

Vladimir

06-03-2010, 17:34

The Czar offered a forum for France and Prussia to settle this affair. France declined.

V.

Kagemusha

06-03-2010, 17:40

With all respect to Russia and her Czar.Like we said already this is not issue to settle between France and Prussia.This issue is about Prussia violating the autonomy of Netherlands. France is obedient to the concert and if the Concert thinks France has violated international agreements with its actions helping Netherlands.France will accept that, but in that case the responsibility of protecting the autonomy and integrity of German states and Netherlands will move completely to the other members of the concert and France will not partake in any efforts concerning Germany or Netherlands after such decision.

Vladimir

06-03-2010, 18:17

The silence from the Dutch court is disturbing.

V.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

06-03-2010, 19:09

Austrian Kaiser hopes the Dutch King is OK. Austrian Kaiser will make a comment of all the issues soon.

Kagemusha

06-03-2010, 19:11

We have tried to reach the Dutch King in vain. It would seem our messengers cant get past Belgium. I hope we can reach him sooner or later.Which leads to another point also.Thanks to the Belgian rebellion our land trade with the Dutch is completely cut off. This is not acceptable.

King Kurt

06-03-2010, 19:22

Statement from The Duke of Wellington

We welcome the policing action of the French army in restoring order. It has our wholehearted support. We are concerned by the belicose stance of Prussia and hope that such expansionist policies will cease immediately.

Kagemusha

06-03-2010, 19:34

France wellcomes the logical and lawfull stand of the British in the current situation.

Subotan

06-03-2010, 22:07

With all respect to Russia and her Czar.Like we said already this is not issue to settle between France and Prussia.This issue is about Prussia violating the autonomy of Netherlands..
Rubbish. I am taking the initiative to restore Europe to stability, whilst you were the one who nearly drove it to madness. The facts on the ground have changed, and trying to restore the status quo ante bellum permanently is impossible and foolish.

France will accept that, but in that case the responsibility of protecting the autonomy and integrity of German states and Netherlands will move completely to the other members of the concert and France will not partake in any efforts concerning Germany or Netherlands after such decision.
Essentially, "do what I say, or else". Why is Prussia not surprised.

Statement from The Duke of Wellington

We welcome the policing action of the French army in restoring order. It has our wholehearted support. We are concerned by the belicose stance of Prussia and hope that such expansionist policies will cease immediately.
I am dismayed at the position of the United Kingdom. I would like to stress that Prussia's action most certainly is not expansionist; we stressed that a moderate, non-Great Power leader should ascend to the throne of the Grand Duchy, and we suggested the Duke of the tiny state of Anhalt. The Prussian government is convinced that Luxemburg, with it's German population, and in order to restore stability to the region, has to be ruled by a German prince. To say otherwise is to merely stave off this crisis for another day.

Kagemusha

06-03-2010, 22:19

Non Monsier. You still dont understand that you are not in any position to suggest rulers over Dutch holdings.That is the bottom line and i cant understand your continuos talk about Luxembourg and its German population.In matter of fac the majority of Luxembourgians talk French, but that does not change the fact that Luxembourg is part of Netherlands and Prussia does not have a say about the rule of anything inside the Dutch domain.

Subotan

06-03-2010, 22:32

Kagemusha

06-03-2010, 22:36

Luxemburg City (The area you have occupied, and I am asking you to share the occupation with) is predominantly German, whereas the country to the West is dotted with French-speakers. Regardless, none of them are Dutch, so it is clear that Protestant, Dutch King would not be able to maintain control of the region.

And as I have stated before, we have a say when your actions lead to riots within Prussia, regardless of whether you say so or not.

Since when does nationality have had anything to do with Kingdoms? Are you suggesting that Austria should be dismantled also as it is comprised of several nationalities? About the problems in your domain.Dont blame me if your people are unhappy being subjects of Prussia.

Subotan

06-04-2010, 10:11

Certainly not! Do not put policy into Prussia's mouth! All of the Habsburgian Peoples in Austria all appreciate their Emperor, and admire his rule. The people in Luxemburg are not happy though. They resent the rule of a foreign King who does not have the legitimacy or the authority to rule them, and who can only remain in control with desperate pleas for help from foreign troops. Had the Dutch wanted to restore authority to a constituent member of the German Confederation, they would have been better using Federal troops, or a condominium between Prussia and France.

Second, as I have said, Catholic Prussians are rioting for two reasons. One is their status as second class citizens, which I have corrected. The other is France's actions towards fellow German Catholics in Luxemburg. You sparked the disturbance, and I must intervene to preserve the stability of the Prussian state.

You seem to be confusing my two separate proposals, one of which is short term, and the other which is long term.

1. My first is that you withdraw 3/4 of your army, to leave a force of 10,000 French soldiers in Luxemburg, whilst I will send a total of 10,000 Confederate soldiers to maintain stability in the fortress and surrounding region. As I have said before, Luxemburg is a state of the Confederation, and the use of non-Confederate, non-Dutch troops to restore order is grossly insulting to all members of the Confederation, as well as the Luxemburgers.

1a. The other reason why I want us to share the occupation is because French control of the Gibraltar of the North is deeply unsettling to Prussia, and we are very concerned that such a strategic point should come under unilateral, non-neutral control. Dutch troops are not in a position to retake control of the fortress at this moment in time, so in order to restore the international balance of power and reassure the Concert, the occupation must be shared.

I can see no reason to dispute the above suggestions. The proposals are tempoary, and do nothing to compromise the interests of France. To refuse is to reveal plans to permanently occupy Luxemburg.

2. This brings me to my next point; the long term solution to this crisis. The revolt occurred because of Dutch intervention into France, and fears of Protestant oppression, yes? Thus as long as a Dutch King rules Luxemburg, there will be no peace. We are open to anyone ruling Luxemburg, so long as they politically moderate. Our original choice, Leopold of Ansbach, was short sighted, as Leopold is Protestant, but a Catholic noble would be an ideal Grand Duke of Luxemburg. Prussia also recommends that a German Noble is also the one chosen to rule over the predominately German population. We welcome suggestions of the international community for nominations.

Kagemusha

06-04-2010, 10:20

Well thank you for proving us right. By stating that Dutch King does not have legitimacy to rule them is direct attack against the Concert, as it is the Concert who gave him legitimacy to rule over Luxembourg. By denying that you are violating the Concert and its authority. Also you do not have any authority to send German confederations troops anywhere as you do not rule German confederacy. Last it is still internal affair of Netherlands to decide who will rule Luxembourg. So your suggestions are illegimite to begin with.

Subotan

06-04-2010, 10:43

So you disagree with my second proposition? That is fair enough, so long as I hear your proposal for bringing long term stability to the region.

But you disagree with my first? That is far more worrying and a much more dangerous attack on the authority of the Concert than my intervention into the Luxemburg Crisis. By refusing to temporarily share Luxemburg, you are making a stand which is totally incompatible with Prussian, Confederate and international interests. You actions are an incredible statement of hostility towards the Prussian state.

In the absence of a representative from the Confederation, we propose to use Prussian Troops nominally under the control of the Confederation, to spare smaller member of the Confederation and Austria the cost of deployment. We take this as our responsibility and duty, and we will evacuate jointly with French troops once a settlement is agreed.

Kagemusha

06-04-2010, 10:49

Cant you understand that i am not in any position to allow you to enter the lands of Netherlands.Only the Dutch King can allow you that and after your earlier comments i am most certain he will not allow it for you. Also you should consult the confederacy before telling that you will order their forces anywhere, as they are not very likely to obey you after your remarks of sending them where you please.

Also dont blame me from hostility towards Prussian state.I was building a friendship with your predecessor which was progressing nicely, but as you took over. It was you who decided to as your first act to attack France verbally and use propaganda efforts against France to show our peace keeping operation as an invasion. Another affair you have only yourself to blame.

Master Magic Mage

06-04-2010, 11:15

That the Prussian monarch suggests changing the borders of Europe, while at the same time stating that they are promoting stability, contradicts the noble sovereign. Simply because the populace of Luxembourg is predominantly German, it does not justify blatantly robbing it of the Dutch King and handing it a Prussian Puppet. If we were to take such a view on these things, then maybe the french should grant it's lawful land in Alsace and Lorraine, which are 'German' to another Prussian noble! The idea of it goes against the Concert, and the Prussians should accept as such.

Charles Felix

Subotan

06-04-2010, 11:25

There are not enough players in the game for me to consult the Confederacy (Which I'm not sure even exists, after the establishment of the Frankfurt assembly), so I am acting on my own initiative for convenience. Regardless, the effect would still be the same, as the Confederate troops would be the same as Prussian troops. Luxemburg is a state of the Confederacy, and it is the duty of the Confederacy to intervene. Semantics isn't going to get you anywhere.

And, as I have said many times before, the Dutch King has lost control of the situation. He hasn't even responded to our debate. Besides, you're the one controlling the fortress!

It is easy to spin a nice friendship with words, but is actions which count. The original occupation itself was not very controversial, but it is your refusal to share the occupation of such an important castle which worries the Prussian state, and would have worried King Csargo.

@Sardinia.

We are dismayed to hear that you do not agree with our second proposition, as Prussia sincerely believes it is the only way to bring peace to the region. A German, non-Prussian ruler (Maybe an Austrian noble?) would most certainly not be a puppet of Prussia, and we are disappointed that you have come to that conclusion when we have stressed so much that Luxemburg must be independent of Great Power control. What would be your proposal to restore peace to the area?

We would also like to hear your opinion on our first proposition, i.e. the tempoary sharing of the occupation in a condominium with France.

Master Magic Mage

06-04-2010, 11:55

Kagemusha

06-04-2010, 12:33

There are not enough players in the game for me to consult the Confederacy (Which I'm not sure even exists, after the establishment of the Frankfurt assembly), so I am acting on my own initiative for convenience. Regardless, the effect would still be the same, as the Confederate troops would be the same as Prussian troops. Luxemburg is a state of the Confederacy, and it is the duty of the Confederacy to intervene. Semantics isn't going to get you anywhere.

And, as I have said many times before, the Dutch King has lost control of the situation. He hasn't even responded to our debate. Besides, you're the one controlling the fortress!

It is easy to spin a nice friendship with words, but is actions which count. The original occupation itself was not very controversial, but it is your refusal to share the occupation of such an important castle which worries the Prussian state, and would have worried King Csargo. Considering Franco - Prussian relationship. Prussian rulers propaganda and verbal attacks against France wont certainly help building good relations between the two countries.

@Sardinia.

We are dismayed to hear that you do not agree with our second proposition, as Prussia sincerely believes it is the only way to bring peace to the region. A German, non-Prussian ruler (Maybe an Austrian noble?) would most certainly not be a puppet of Prussia, and we are disappointed that you have come to that conclusion when we have stressed so much that Luxemburg must be independent of Great Power control. What would be your proposal to restore peace to the area?

We would also like to hear your opinion on our first proposition, i.e. the tempoary sharing of the occupation in a condominium with France.

OOC: Consult Franc when he returns.He playes all the other factions that are not player controlled.

France greets and supports the proposal of Sardinia.Dutch King should decide the affairs of Dutch domain. We are happy that both Britain and Sardinia can understand this issue correctly.

Subotan

06-04-2010, 16:31

A rather simple proposal: Retaining Luxembourg under the Dutch King. The matter of the Occupant forces should be Decided by the Honourable Dutch Monarch. Perhaps the French could assist their fellow sovereign by conscripted a local, yet dutch, force to garrison the Fortress, until stability has returned.
There are no Dutch in the area to conscript, and by the sounds of it, the Dutch King will be lucky to have Limburg under his control, let alone Luxemburg.

OOC: Consult Franc when he returns.He playes all the other factions that are not player controlled.
Thanks :bow: I have done so

France greets and supports the proposal of Sardinia.Dutch King should decide the affairs of Dutch domain. We are happy that both Britain and Sardinia can understand this issue correctly.
Nothing more than a foolish attempt to turn back the clock.

Kagemusha

06-04-2010, 16:46

To Prussia,

You are only digging yourself a deeper hole with your unlawfull comments. It has become clear that you have no respect for Concert of Europe and its decisions and you should be treated accordingly.

Subotan

06-04-2010, 17:30

I fail to see how the comments made by just Britain and Sardinia constitute the will of the Concert, especially seeing as how your Dutch King has not commented, and neither have the Austrians, or the Russians.

Kagemusha

06-04-2010, 17:35

Well im quite sure we will find out sooner or later. You just continue attacking the influence and authority of Concert meanwhile.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

06-04-2010, 18:43

Kagemusha

06-04-2010, 19:01

Thank you for playing with us , while i have only played this one only for a while. Also thank you for all your contributions to Chapter house in general.:bow:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

06-04-2010, 19:08

Thank you for playing with us , while i have only played this one only for a while. Also thank you for all your contributions to Chapter house in general.:bow:
It was fun having you as a IH host Kagemusha, and even though we will play with each other for 2 chapters (13 and 14), it was fun playing with everyone here and trust me, I will go out with a bang :clown:.

Prince Cobra

06-04-2010, 19:58

It was fun having you as a IH host Kagemusha, and even though we will play with each other for 2 chapters (13 and 14), it was fun playing with everyone here and trust me, I will go out with a bang :clown:.

OOC: Although I perfectly realise Warman retires from active rule, he stays Kaiser Franz. I will still rule as Metternich. He's been a nice partner and that's my way to thank him. :bow:

P.S. Now I concentrate on reading the declarations :coffeenews:

Prince Cobra

06-04-2010, 21:46

Gentlemen,

I see the whole quarrel for Luxemburg as a big misunderstanding. I see the new Prussian Prime minister believes the French must be blamed for the unrest in Rheinland. Few would agree with such a conclusion. We should not blame the Prime minister of Prussia but look somewhere else. And the reports of the Austrian secret police lead to one conclusion. There are few but well organized groups of terrorists and anarchists and people who try to spread discontent between the European Great powers. These people, though atheists themselves, stay behind the rebellion in Rheinland and in Brussels as well as behind the unrest in the Southern German states. Now these people have taken control in Frankfurt, Brussels and Rheinland manipulating the mobs. Their purpose: to destroy the old order and the monarchies, to sink Europe into blood and destruction so that the radical elements can take over. These have misled the new Prussian minister and are secretly triumphing. But I hope the European monarchs will not allow them triumph.

First, we should continue our efforts in Brussels and Luxemburg. I need to explain to the Prussian King that the crushing of the uprising was done by request of the Duke of Luxemburg, who is also a King of the Dutch, (with the consent of Austria and Prussia). I would say this represents the solidarity principle and that is: the monarchs should help each other against the revolutionary threat. Such things have been done before and they are done now, naturally. I really doubt France would try to keep the occupied lands for herself. And Prussia should not feel threatened. Of course, the rebellious elements I mentioned above try to encourage such rumours and with the power of their speeches they lure the innocent and naïve souls to a mortal sin: the rebellion against their master.

In order to sum up these thoughts, the evil is neither in France, nor in Prussia or anywhere else but rather in those dark powers who control (by skillfully manipulating the mobs) in Belgium, Rheinland, Hessen and Frankfurt right now. The Confederation exists, only the members of the Parliament have wisely ran from the chaos in Frankfurt and are somewhere in Southern Germany. In my home town, the beautiful city of Koblenz, in Rheinland, I saw what these terrorist encourage people to do thirty years ago. Hours, no – days and even weeks of plundering, rape and disorder. The envy and greed ruled and ruin only stayed. Now I hear the same is heard about Frankfurt and other areas controlled by the rebels in Rheinland and Brussels. The King of Prussia should not withdraw his trust from his representatives in the Confederation: the German Confederation is still the only legal base for the German lands. On a different matter, the current assembly in Frankfurt is made of illiterate mob and skilful manipulators, not even from whole of the Confederation but from the most radical elements in Rheinland and the rebels from Baden and Hessen. We have to move quickly and punish those, who deserve. We should give an example to the rebels that we determine the fate of Europe, not those anarchists and revolutionists and that our states lie not on a sand basis that can be destroyed by the blow of the slightest breeze but on a massive rock. I believe the big five: France, Great Britain, Prussia, Russia and Austria as well as the other smaller states should stop quarrelling and resist.

Klemens von Metternich, Chancellor of Austria

Vladimir

06-04-2010, 21:58

Metternich speaks true, as always. However, one wonders if the silence of the Dutch king is indicative of an affiliation with this threat.

Vladimir

Prince Cobra

06-04-2010, 22:07

He seems to avoid appearing in public and he has been politically inactive recently. I would make the brave assumption that the recent problems in his thriving state brought him to depression. I believe in his stregnth as a monarch and that he would soon take over the reins of his country once again. We all hope so.

Kagemusha

06-04-2010, 22:23

France congratulates Austria for having a such a chancellor! We agree that the great powers should work together to maintain order in Europe and we are glad to see that Russia agree´s with Austria. If indeed Prussia will withdraw its statements that France is to blame for the problems in Germany and regognices the Dutch King as the solem authority in affairs inside his domain. We are ready to leave behind this exchance of hostile words and start from a clean table in our diplomatic relationships with Prussia.

Louis-Philippe I, Royaume des Français

Warluster

06-05-2010, 00:05

The recent affairs within the states of this nation have dis-allowed me from appearing publicly. The storm of political problems has collapsed onto the state; and it seems, prolonged the rebellion of a select few.

A few things need to be made clear. As the wise Chancellor of Austria has stated, it was I, acting under my given and complete control of Luxembourg as the Grand Duke of Luxembourg, requested that French forces could possibly act as a police force within the city to ensure that no harm is brought to those who are not involved in this rebellion. I believe the French King has done this admirably, and I give many thanks. I also would like to point out the problems of having Luxembourg moved to a Prussian or French puppet; as it has been pointed out the countryside is French and the city is German so by having a neutral party rule does not cause political problems, as much.

I would also like to thank to the Prussian King for the high levels of concern which he shows for Europe and the German people. I assure you, like the care and attention we have shown the French population in Southern Belgium, or the German population in Eastern Holland, we will also treat the German population very respectfully in Luxembourg. The contribution of a Prussian Police Force, as was previously promised by the former and late King, would insure the continuing survival and care for these populations.

As for the rebellion in Brussels, we are quite certain that this is only a few who are acting rashly and violently. What the Belgian rebels seem not to realise, and we hope the Concert takes this statement into full account, but we are offering the Belgian Kingdom full independence and equality in a twin Belgian - Dutch Kingdom. Though the Royal House is currently dominated by Dutchmen, we would be forced to, if this offer of freedom is agreed to, take on many Belgian ministers. We are asking for the Belgian nation to make this a Dual Monarchy. We hope the Concert will help us enter negotiations with the Belgian rebels and present this, as it is the best solution and outcome. A possible international force of diplomats to negotiate would contribute hugely.

Sincerely,
King William,

King Kurt

06-07-2010, 09:56

I am saddened to say I will resign my position as Austrian Kaiser 2 days after Chapter 14 is released. I also be leaving the forum that particular day also. I can't take much more of this wrist pain, and since this is summer vacation and I am not required by school to use the computer now, I have no need to come on anymore and quite frankly, I'm lost interest in this IH.

I stay on for the remainder of this chapter, then I am resigning after 14 long chapters, almost 2 full years to a role that was close to my heart.

:bow:

Warman
It is sad to hear that you will have to withdraw from this IH and the forum as a whole - your contributions will be sorely missed. I have always enjoyed your high levels of enthusiasm in this and other IHs and will miss your showers of PMs with ideas, questions or just chasing me for answers or orders. Hopefully some rest and medication will lead to you returning in the future. You have in your Metternich an able supporter and I am sure PC will continue in his excellent historical style. I hope you will continue to pop in occasionaly just to read what is happening.

The art of these IHs is reading the fellow players - you have always been active, a little headstrong, full of ideas - the occasional one quite good!! and have always tried to act in line with the historic character you portray. But most of all, you have always been a true ally when needed and in times of need that has been the most impotant virtue of all.

Get well soon my friend - I hope to see you back on the boards soon.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

06-08-2010, 19:37

Warman
It is sad to hear that you will have to withdraw from this IH and the forum as a whole - your contributions will be sorely missed. I have always enjoyed your high levels of enthusiasm in this and other IHs and will miss your showers of PMs with ideas, questions or just chasing me for answers or orders. Hopefully some rest and medication will lead to you returning in the future. You have in your Metternich an able supporter and I am sure PC will continue in his excellent historical style. I hope you will continue to pop in occasionaly just to read what is happening.

The art of these IHs is reading the fellow players - you have always been active, a little headstrong, full of ideas - the occasional one quite good!! and have always tried to act in line with the historic character you portray. But most of all, you have always been a true ally when needed and in times of need that has been the most impotant virtue of all.

Get well soon my friend - I hope to see you back on the boards soon.

:bow:

Vladimir

06-08-2010, 22:36

I was doing a little research and happened upon this interesting little find:

http://www.amazon.com/Constantinople-City-Worlds-Desire-1453-1924/dp/0312187084

You can read the first chapter for free. Food for thought. :evil:

King Kurt

06-09-2010, 15:31

Happy Birthday to the Conductor of the Concert!!! I hope the family came up with a birthday cake Franc!!!

Kagemusha

06-09-2010, 16:19

Happy birthday Franc.Still 5 years to go to half of century!:bow:

Vladimir

06-10-2010, 20:19

Third Section of His Imperial Majesty's Own Chancellery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Section)

[Czarist address to the Russian Duma]

Nobles and land owners of this esteemed Russian assembly:

The uprisings in Western Europe and the Ottoman Empire represent an insidious and pervasive threat to our empire. While others squabble and kill their brethren, Russia has remained relatively calm. However, we would be fools to think ourselves immune from this threat.

Therefore, I have established a section of the Chancellery that is responsible for ferreting out such insurrection. Count Alexander Benkendorf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Khristoforovich_Benkendorf) has agreed to lead this organization in its patriotic duty to protect the motherland. Let this be a warning to anarchists, radicals, and foreigners that Mother Russia is always on guard against internal threats.

Nicholas I
Emperor and Autocrat of All the Russias
King of Poland; Grand Duke of Finland

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Vladimir

06-11-2010, 14:20

Still pretty excited about this. I never get in on the ground floor of these things.

Kagemusha

06-11-2010, 17:55

Still pretty excited about this. I never get in on the ground floor of these things.

Just wait for Franc to get back from his holiday.I think many of us need him to clear some things before we can move further.

Prince Cobra

06-13-2010, 21:48

The Siberian winds started blowing... :evilgrin: ~;)

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

06-14-2010, 19:39

You sure it's not just a minor gust of wind :laugh:?

Vladimir

06-14-2010, 19:59

You sure it's not just a minor gust of wind :laugh:?

I think he's referring to my all-inclusive winter resort (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irkutsk).

"The Paris of Siberia." Very posh.

Kagemusha

06-14-2010, 20:31

I think he's referring to my all-inclusive winter resort (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irkutsk).

"The Paris of Siberia." Very posh.

Mighty Czar, you can consider yourself lucky.With our financial situation during winters my palace could be called the "Siberia of Paris".

Subotan

06-15-2010, 10:38

Apologies, governments of Europes, but Economic affairs have consumed my attention over the past few weeks and I have been unable to attend any conferences (Basically, I'm in the middle of A Levels.)

Gentlemen,

I see the whole quarrel for Luxemburg as a big misunderstanding. I see the new Prussian Prime minister believes the French must be blamed for the unrest in Rheinland. Few would agree with such a conclusion.
Well, the action taken in Brussels has exacerbated the situation.

We should not blame the Prime minister of Prussia but look somewhere else. And the reports of the Austrian secret police lead to one conclusion. There are few but well organized groups of terrorists and anarchists and people who try to spread discontent between the European Great powers. These people, though atheists themselves, stay behind the rebellion in Rheinland and in Brussels as well as behind the unrest in the Southern German states. Now these people have taken control in Frankfurt, Brussels and Rheinland manipulating the mobs. Their purpose: to destroy the old order and the monarchies, to sink Europe into blood and destruction so that the radical elements can take over. These have misled the new Prussian minister and are secretly triumphing. But I hope the European monarchs will not allow them triumph.
Although I agree with your analysis of the riots, I disagree that I was "misled". I have sought to address the root cause of the majority of the protestor's anger, thus allowing the protests to die down and capture the true radicals. It is my opinion that we cannot simply bury the problem and expect it to be solved for ever.

First, we should continue our efforts in Brussels and Luxemburg. I need to explain to the Prussian King that the crushing of the uprising was done by request of the Duke of Luxemburg, who is also a King of the Dutch, (with the consent of Austria and Prussia). I would say this represents the solidarity principle and that is: the monarchs should help each other against the revolutionary threat. Such things have been done before and they are done now, naturally. I really doubt France would try to keep the occupied lands for herself. And Prussia should not feel threatened. Of course, the rebellious elements I mentioned above try to encourage such rumours and with the power of their speeches they lure the innocent and naïve souls to a mortal sin: the rebellion against their master.

The position of Luxemburg is that that a joint Franco-Prussian force should have been sent into Luxemburg. Although it is too late to turn back the clock, my primary concern with the situation is France's undisputed control of the fortress at this moment in time.

In order to sum up these thoughts, the evil is neither in France, nor in Prussia or anywhere else but rather in those dark powers who control (by skillfully manipulating the mobs) in Belgium, Rheinland, Hessen and Frankfurt right now. The Confederation exists, only the members of the Parliament have wisely ran from the chaos in Frankfurt and are somewhere in Southern Germany. In my home town, the beautiful city of Koblenz, in Rheinland, I saw what these terrorist encourage people to do thirty years ago. Hours, no – days and even weeks of plundering, rape and disorder.
Agreed, and we hope to end the chaos as soon as possible.

I would also like to thank to the Prussian King for the high levels of concern which he shows for Europe and the German people. I assure you, like the care and attention we have shown the French population in Southern Belgium, or the German population in Eastern Holland, we will also treat the German population very respectfully in Luxembourg. The contribution of a Prussian Police Force, as was previously promised by the former and late King, would insure the continuing survival and care for these populations.
There was a Prussian police force planned? Had this been revealed to me earlier I would have found the situation far more amiable and not had it blown up into the confrontation we just experienced.

Vladimir

06-16-2010, 00:04

A little something I found on another forum: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28350

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

06-16-2010, 01:05

I used to play nationstates years ago V.

The Kaiser's nation got so big in the game he actually got bored!:laugh4:

Vladimir

06-17-2010, 16:23

Meanwhile:

While the French are sitting around waiting for information (yet again)…

The Welsh commander peered outside his pavilion at the lifting fog. For a moment it almost reminded him of home. Remove the tents, soldiers, and of course, the cannons and one could almost call it tranquil.

It is quite a honor to have a Welshman lead the siege of such an important city. Constantinople: City of men’s desire sat atop the Bosphorus. Such an important and tiny strip of water. The fog and morning sun hinted at the former glory of such a great city. The city under siege, the city that threw his men back.

They did it; they actually did it. No hope, no navy, yet only one way out. His men would win…eventually. Looking out across them he could see it in their eyes. They didn’t know or care about the strategic significance of such events, just that they had to sit in it day-by-day.

His page brought him some tea. It was fresh, thanks to British naval superiority. Without secure logistics, the besiegers could easily become the besieged. For a moment, the smell of the tea pushed away the filth, mud, and powder. For a moment he was home. But what of those who were at home, in the city? Something made him think back; back to a time he had studied and wondered about. Then the words came to his mind.

http://www.rorkesdriftvc.com/myths/menofharlech.mp3 (played at low volume)

Men of Harlech, march to glory,
Victory is hov'ring o'er ye,
Bright-eyed freedom stands before ye,
Hear ye not her call?
At your sloth she seems to wonder;
Rend the sluggish bonds asunder,
Let the war-cry's deaf'ning thunder
Every foe appall.
Echoes loudly waking,
Hill and valley shaking;
'Till the sound spreads wide around,
The Saxon's courage breaking;
Your foes on every side assailing,
Forward press with heart unfailing,
'Till invaders learn with quailing,
Cambria ne'er can yield!

Thou, who noble Cambria wrongest,
Know that freedom's cause is strongest,
Freedom's courage lasts the longest,
Ending but with death!
Freedom countless hosts can scatter,
Freedom stoutest mail can shatter,
Freedom thickest walls can batter,
Fate is in her breath…

A distant sound interrupted the lyrics.

http://folk.ntnu.no/makarov/temporary_url_20070929kldcg/preobrajensky-march-znayut-turki-acapella-valaam_1997.mp3 (Crank it up!)

Suddenly the camp stirred. Even the cannons stopped yet the song continued. Indistinct orders echoed throughout the camp.

Damn this fog!

Had this been midday he could see what lay in the direction of the music. A cloud of dust; distant movement? Then there it was, in full view.

A man on top a white horse, guarded by 1,000 men in full colors. And…there…cannons! As suddenly as they appeared, they halted and a new song began.

http://media.vad1.com/temporary_url_20070929kldcg/bozhe-tsarya-khrani-acapella-valaam_1991.mp3

Could it be?

Assemble the men; the Russians are coming.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

06-17-2010, 19:20

It is a hot day in the nation of Austria. Emperor Franz I is wondering the halls of his palace, the legendary Hofburg Palace. He is extremely pleased with the deal he was able to help broker between the British and Russian Empires regarding the Ottoman debacle. He thinks to himself what will happen if Vienna can not host as many, if any, more word wide meetings, if his empire will lose influence. "Never" he mutters. .....

His brother, Archduke Charles, suddenly comes rushing down the hall, asking him to go to his throne room. He does so, without asking. In enters the room to salutes from the guards and from the generals/officers standing in the room. Colonel Rodolphe Louis Emanuel Reial de Cmapelle, a Swiss general. Also in attendance is Archduke Charles (who is leading the Emperor in) and General Warman8 who is returning briefly from the Italian theater and the Croatian General of the cavalry March Slivarich von Heldenbourg, who is there observing.

"Sire" speaks the Swiss Colonel. "There are reports of Russian troops outside Constantinople. The British do not know what to make of this. Should I mobilize my Swiss troops and put them on stand by?"

"Brother" speaks the Archduke. "I do not know what to make of this. Perhaps it is a simple token force going there for peacekeping duties?"

"Emperor" speaks Warman " Perhaps they are there to help the Russians besiege the city?"

The Emperor sits, looking at his men, pondering what they have said.................

"Well" says the Emperor, turning to the Swiss colonel. "Mobilize the 8th Swiss regiment". "Archduke and General Warman, you are returning to the Italian front, however, March and Rodolphe will be put on stand by along with a Austrian commander in chief. Perhaps we will see some action."

"Long live the Austrian Empire!" Shouts the military commanders, as they bow and leave the throe room.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

06-18-2010, 20:27

Where everyone disappear to?

Vladimir

06-21-2010, 21:04

So...has it been two weeks yet? :grin:

Franconicus

06-22-2010, 10:21

Hi , I am back and ready to go on!
Thanx all for the congratulations!

What happaned with the Kaiser???

I will need a couple of days to get through the new stuff, but you can already send your orders, if you do not need info from me.

As it is summer time now, it is time to plan the holidays. Maybe you can post, when you are offline and so we can plan the chapters.

Vladimir

06-22-2010, 12:45

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

06-22-2010, 15:50

Welcome back Fran. I do need some info, but I will most surley wait for it :yes:.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

06-22-2010, 19:36

In the camp of the Austrians outside Munich, there is much celebration over the order that is restored over the beer revolution. Surprising, a lot of the citizens are getting along with the Austrian troops. They may live in different nations, but they still Germanic by blood. But that was a few days ago. Now the camp is quiet, and doesn't seem like there is a lot of Austrians around, besides some line infantry and some Hussars and Curissares..........

At Hessen, the rebels are also celebrating. They believe the Austrians are cowards, they believe they can not stop the mighty German troops for Baden-Baden (who was cowarding in Hessen) and the Hessens!

Outside the walls of their town, the guards are on duty. They mutter to themselves "Why can't we be celebrating right now....."

Suddenly one of the guards falls over the walls dead, a bullet to his brain. The one officer of the rebels look at his telescope and sees something disturbing..... The banners of.... Austrian Empire, with Friedrich von Hohenzollern-Hechingen at the helm with bayonets fixed and artillery being put into place.

Assemble the men, the Austrians are coming!

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In Northern Italy, on the border, people are overjoyed, Archduke Charles has rushed back to Vienna because of the reports saying Russia has sent troops to Constantinople without Austrian knowledge. The citizens outside of the Austrian controlled territory is collecting supporters and even troops to possibly fight against loyalist troops (Rome) and the Austrians.

Suddleny, on the border, several hundred Austrians appear, with the Archduke at the front with his saber drawn. The crowd quickly disappears, but knows the Austrians knows every thing and they are ready.

Assemble the supporters, the Austrians are aware!

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The Welshman and the Russian man are being acquainted with one another. Their forces are senting up a combined camp and their officers are now discussing how to take the walls.

"Well, we can launch a massive foot assault" saids the Russian.
"Or launch it after we do a major naval bombament" saids the Welshman.

They both sit down and glare into the sunset, amaze that they both are working together to besiege such a great city.........

In Wallachina, something is not right, a Germanic force is heading though the land, but it is not invading. The men are paying for their foods, and playing with the children as they march though, quite nice fellows they are. They are singing songs in German. The banners are soon discovered as...... Austrian flags. Some say there only 2,000 men coming though, others say 6,008 troops are moving though, including parts of the Imperial Guard, which is strange, since there duty is to protect the Emperor of Austria.....

They are getting close to the Ottoman Border, since they been marching 16-18, sometimes 20 hour days. Russian troops are escorting the men to the border, not knowing what to make of this. The Colonel leading the Russian troops marches down the line. He sees Austrian, Croatians, Hungarians, Bohemian artillerymen with huge siege artillery and.... Swiss?

There are only about 508 of them, most of them are in their 40's and 50's, but there are some younger men. The are singing the Beresinalied:

"Unser Leben gleicht der Reise
Eines Wandrers in der Nacht;
Jeder hat in seinem Gleise
Etwas, das ihm Kummer macht.

Aber unerwartet schwindet
Vor uns Nacht und Dunkelheit,
Und der Schwergedrückte findet
Linderung in seinem Leid.

Mutig, mutig, liebe Brüder,
Gebt das bange Sorgen auf;
Morgen steigt die Sonne wieder
Freundlich an dem Himmel auf.

Darum laßt uns weitergehen;
Weichet nicht verzagt zurück!
Hinter jenen fernen Höhen
Wartet unser noch ein Glück."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beresinalied

The Swiss commander's 2nd in command, Thomas Legler, is singing it. He stops for a moment, look at the Russian Colonel, and starts singing it loudly again. The Swiss march by the Russians, looking, saluting them, by hestialy. Most of the Swiss here fought in Russia in 1812, some fought at Berezina, and lost friends there against the Russians. They gave the Russians the evil eye. The rest of the army, including the Austrians, were more friendly and joked with the Russian troops as they marched together. Finally the Colonal rode up to the head of the line where the Imperial Guard was at. He saw General Haynau, a tough blood 'n guts Austrian general, with other men saying....

"Emperor...... leave..... should go home..... wait tilll Metternich hears about this..... Fine.... I leave.......when I feel like it........."

He rides up and salutes and calls out to the Commander-in-Chief and his mouth drops in suprisement......

"Hello Colonel" saids Austrian Emperor Franz I. "Trying to leave us in the dark eh? Never!" "Besides, your need our big guns. You know we have the best artillery in the world".

The Coalition is discussing how to take the city. Finally, they see a rider approaching them from the west. He however, is carrying a Austrian Flag!?

In German he points to the west and saids "Osteriech! Osteriiech!!!!".

The troops there are puzzled. They do not know what to think of this. Then they are shocked of what they see..... Austrian men massing on he hills, singing,

"God save Francis the Emperor, our good Emperor Francis!
Long live Francis the Emperor in the brightest splendor of bliss!
May laurel branches bloom for him, wherever he goes, as a wreath of honor.
God save Francis the Emperor, our good Emperor Francis!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw9zXepzEzA&playnext_from=TL&videos=to9ceV_cuiw

The Austrian messenger saids in broken English "Some now, most on way here!

Assemble the men, the Austrians are coming!

Vladimir

06-22-2010, 20:47

Marching 50 year old men 20 hours a day is not a wise decision.

Centurion1

06-23-2010, 04:56

So we send in orders now?

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

06-24-2010, 17:53

Marching 50 year old men 20 hours a day is not a wise decision.

I ride a horse you know :laugh:.

Peasant Phill

06-24-2010, 21:21

Has anybody been able to get in touch with Warluster?

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

06-24-2010, 22:30

He seems to be posting at TWC in their IH'S.

Franconicus

06-25-2010, 09:37

Gents, I am pleased to see that the game was running and you had your joy while I was on holidays.
Now I hope I answered all open points and want to ask you to send your orders until July 1st.
I also want to express my regrets about the decision of the Kaiser to leave us soon. Nevertheless, I want to tank you for all your enthusiasm in the past and hope you will decide to come back for another IH in the future.
Finally I want to express my hopes that England will hang on its lovely tradition and loose the football game against Germany!

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

06-25-2010, 15:17

I do need 1 PM answered from you Fran :clown:.

Peasant Phill

06-25-2010, 19:02

I, Muhammed Ali, Sultan of Egypt and Crete invites every nation to trade in his harbours.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

06-29-2010, 17:20

Peasant Phill

06-29-2010, 19:58

There was a wise man who said: "Football is a game where 22 players chase a ball and in the end the Germans always win".

P.S. I'm almost ready with my orders but unless I get answers from a few other nations I won't be able to PM them on the 1th.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

06-29-2010, 20:02

Same, I am waiting for some last minute stuff from Fran.

Vladimir

06-29-2010, 23:55

This is the only time I'm dreading good news. I hate writing speeches.

King Kurt

07-01-2010, 13:13

Finally I want to express my hopes that England will hang on its lovely tradition and loose the football game against Germany!

Franc - all I can say is that somethings stretch our friendship!! Sunday's debacle was the latest episode in a World Cup where our hopes - as usual - were high, only to face abject disappointment. A malaise has spread across the country like a lingering doom - one that will last until the Kick Off of the Premership, when all will be forgotten and the media will be back to telling us how fantastic these over paid dead beats are. Our only ray of hope is Andy Murray winning Wimbledon - I know technically he is Scotish but that is near enough!!

Vladimir

07-02-2010, 19:55

Off for a holiday weekend. Hope everyone has their orders in! :grin:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-03-2010, 20:03

Waiting to speak with Stephen on the orders. :dizzy2:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-03-2010, 20:47

Starting on Monday or Tuesday by the way, I be on a little holiday vacation again. I been busy with some RL stuff, and after I get my orders out for Austria, I need a few days off the comp to rest my wrists and do some work around the house that needs to get done while the chapter is getting written :clown::yes:.

Peasant Phill

07-04-2010, 21:16

My orders are in, even though i didn't here from some people.

Really wondering how everything will pan out.

Franconicus

07-05-2010, 15:48

Peasant Phill

07-05-2010, 21:16

Weren't my orders detailed enough?

I can give you additional info if you like. I'm even working on some maps at the moment if that would help.

Vladimir

07-06-2010, 05:03

Weren't my orders detailed enough?

I can give you additional info if you like. I'm even working on some maps at the moment if that would help.

Agreed. You should have my budget outline and answers. What questions to you have?

Prince Cobra

07-06-2010, 09:39

Warman told me he wants to quit. I will talk with him if we can find a workable option. If he does not appear this evening, I will make the decisions for the new chapter.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-07-2010, 13:57

I received orders from Egypt, Sardinia and Poles.
What about the 5 Grand Nations?
I only got datailed military orders from Russia. Is that all?

Please hurry! I would like to start writing the next chapter before Germany looses a football match!

Going to be 6 Grand Nations when I make Denmark #6.
:rifle::toff:

Desutchland won't loose mein friend.:book:

Vladimir

07-08-2010, 13:54

Franc,

What happened man?

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-08-2010, 14:57

Franc,

What happened man?

Patience my friend.
:computer:

Vladimir

07-08-2010, 15:02

Patience my friend.
:computer:

No. I mean what happened to Germany (not Prussia).

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-08-2010, 15:03

No. I mean what happened to Germany (not Prussia).

Oh,OK.

Vladimir

07-08-2010, 17:28

Look! My army can sing too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOaGgY2yUHw&feature=related

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-08-2010, 18:55

Look, my army will be like yours to!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j5yyBlK98c

Franconicus

07-09-2010, 10:11

Dutch, French, Prussians are still missimg!!

Vladimir

07-09-2010, 11:37

Dutch, French, Prussians are still missimg!!

Maybe they're still waiting for information on the Luxembourg situation.

Vladimir

07-13-2010, 12:59

If we're still waiting on orders, I could take control of an extra nation or two. :devil:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-13-2010, 20:06

Hurry! My new spot as Prussian General is waiting!

Centurion1

07-14-2010, 00:47

I know subotan is usually on. You throw him a pm?

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-14-2010, 21:50

http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/228638/1/General-Fieldmarshal-Helmuth-Graf-Von-Moltke-1800-91.jpg:bobby2::bobby2::guitarist::rifle:

Vladimir

07-15-2010, 03:48

*eek* A ghost! :hide:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-15-2010, 22:16

*eek* A ghost! :hide:

RUN VLADIMIR, MOLKE IS ALIVE TO EAT US ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:dizzy2:

Prince Cobra

07-15-2010, 22:56

RUN VLADIMIR, MOLKE IS ALIVE TO EAT US ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:dizzy2:

Moltke is quite young at the time for a general, he barely has 30 years.

On the process of eating: I am about 63 kilos and my flesh is also quite stringy. Even mosquitoes hate my blood. GAH!

Peasant Phill

07-16-2010, 17:28

Another weak has come and gone. So who hasn't posted there orders yet?

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-16-2010, 22:59

Hurry up! Can't wait!

Can't wait to play as Denmark! Long live Denmark!

:book:

Centurion1

07-16-2010, 23:17

This game needs to start having actual deadlines. People can't just come and hold up the game for the rest of us especially when they have committed to major nations.

And you need to enforce the turn lengths so we can actually get some write ups.s

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-17-2010, 00:22

Agreed. I am sick of people holding the game up every chapter. If you miss it, then wait till next chapter. Not our problem you don't got time to play.

Louis VI the Fat

07-18-2010, 02:47

~+~ :love: ~+~ ~:grouphug: ~+~ :love: ~+~~:grouphug: ~+~ :sweetheart: ~+~ ~:grouphug: ~+~ :love: ~+~~:grouphug: ~+~ :love: ~+~

https://img9.imageshack.us/img9/599/showingsomelove121.gif

Vladimir

07-18-2010, 06:37

So is it true that France doesn't export the good wine so they can keep it for themselves? ~;)

Peasant Phill

07-18-2010, 11:03

I'm probably not the one to talk about deadlines as I'm a frequent offender of missing deadlines in this game BUT I do believe that missing the deadline by 18 days is a bit to much. I also propose for the continuation of the game with or without the orders of all the nations.

Also if RL is taking it's toll on your 'online time', which we all can understand, than you can always get someone involved to help you or take over for you. Just like Austria has done.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-19-2010, 19:36

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Fiedrichvidenmark.jpg

King Frederick VI of Denmark is sicken by having to wait so long for this so-called chapter to arrive in my chancellery!

Peasant Phill

07-19-2010, 21:14

I can see that. Is that a painting or a caricature?

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-19-2010, 22:12

Painting.

King Frederick VI of Denmark offers all nations, From England to Egypt to Austria to Russia especially the nations involved in the OE troubles, to come to Copenhagen in 2 year (2 turns) time for a party to celebrate the hopeful new found peace we may have starting by then.

King Frederick VI
King of Denmark

King Kurt

07-20-2010, 12:47

Vladimir

07-20-2010, 12:53

This is probably a good time to remind the Concert about Russia's unending commitment to protecting the environment.

N.

Franconicus

07-20-2010, 16:54

Although there are still some orders missimg, I begin writing the chapter. Maybe Monday????

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-20-2010, 17:06

Sounds good to me Fran! :balloon2:

Vladimir

07-20-2010, 17:08

Although there are still some orders missimg, I begin writing the chapter. Maybe Monday????

You mean yesterday? Excellent!

I'm starting to loose my "big picture." :laugh4:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-20-2010, 18:40

Presumably bacon sandwichs and Carlsberg lager:laugh4:

And Cashews and Milk :yes:

Prince Cobra

07-20-2010, 20:22

Or Viennese coffee? :coffeenews:

Franconicus

07-22-2010, 07:30

:furious3:FOOLS! Don't you know that not sending orders in time, not sending orders at all or sending numerous orders and updates and changes to bother the master of ceremony, are sins?
EXPECT YOUR PUNISHMENT!

Vladimir

07-22-2010, 13:11

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-22-2010, 14:02

Vladimir

07-22-2010, 14:11

Denmark will be spared such actions I hope.:laugh4:

Denmark is surrounded by water and should be able to douse the flames quickly.

Peasant Phill

07-22-2010, 20:08

Prince Cobra

07-22-2010, 20:12

~:goes to the church to say a prayer and repent:~

Centurion1

07-22-2010, 20:50

Let's hope for western europe russia

Vladimir

07-22-2010, 21:06

Let's hope for western europe russia

Yes. I also believe Russian occupation of Western Europe is desireable. :grin:

Prince Cobra

07-22-2010, 23:28

To those who are not familiar with the Slavic languages, the name "Vladimir" comes from "to rule the world". :book: But as the old books learn us, some modesty will not harm. :laugh4:

For example, the meaning of the name of Stephen is "crown" but people with this name do not show off. (They did not even make a post about that, despite the temptation. Really! )

Vladimir

07-23-2010, 00:47

My fascination with the name, and this spelling of it is that it is an ancient name for an ancient city at the Edge of Europe: http://www.travelmake.com/golden_ring.html#vladimir

Vladimir baptized the Rus into the Orthodox faith: http://www.vladimir-city.ru/welcome/

Something ancient, and profound. :bow:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-23-2010, 15:23

Can't be Michael.
Because I am like God. :book::dizzy2:

Kagemusha

07-23-2010, 16:54

Franc and guys.I am sorry i havent been available as i have been on vacation the last three weeks, so not much home at all. I try to get my decesions in tomorrow and i think those wont change much how the chapter will be as France is right now lot more concerned about domestic policies rather then foreign issues. Im sorry for keeping you waiting.:shame:

Vladimir

07-23-2010, 17:11

Centurion1

07-23-2010, 18:56

names often have certain meanings. my name for example, patrick, is now a common irish name but it is derived from a roman name and is bastardized, obviously in celebration od the Saint. Originally in latin it is derived from Patrician and as a result means noble one.

Prince Cobra

07-23-2010, 20:38

Errr... Real Life is often a nasty thing but not this time. :beam: Starting from Monday morning the next week, Herr Metternich is going to have about 1 week holiday and may be irregular in receiving messages.I will try to get rid of some archives and free more space for the new correspondence.

I never really knew the name Patrick has a Roman origin. It turns out that waiting for the next chapter is quite educational. :yes:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-26-2010, 16:24

Hurry Fran Hurry! :laugh4:

Franconicus

07-26-2010, 18:58

Err ... the chapter with the sentence is getting bigger and bigger. Hope I will make it on Wednesday! :embarassed:

Peasant Phill

07-26-2010, 19:29

You don't have to rush it on our account.

Vladimir

07-26-2010, 19:40

No, rush on my account. ~;)

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-27-2010, 16:33

Err ... the chapter with the sentence is getting bigger and bigger. Hope I will make it on Wednesday! :embarassed:

OK my friend. :book:

Vladimir

07-27-2010, 16:37

OK my friend. :book:

This will likely be an important and difficult chapter to write and may be a :book: in its own rite.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-27-2010, 19:35

It might turn out to be 10-15 pages! Just wait until next chapter when I send in my decisions for Denmark the first time, it be 20 pages! :laugh4:

Franconicus

07-28-2010, 19:05

Chapter 14 – Ordeal
June 1829 to May 1830
(more or less) active players list:

Netherlands - warluster
Egypt - Peasant Phill
United Kingdom - King Kurt
France - kagemusha
Polish parliament - Centurion 1
Prussia - Subotan
Austria – Prince Cobra
Russia and Poland - Vladimir
Sardinia, Savoy and Piemont – Master Magic Mage
Denmark - warman

There are many changes all over Europe. Most obvious is the growth of population. London, the biggest metropolis of the world, grew from 1 million citizens at the beginning of the century to 1.5 million in 1820 and will probably reach 2 million in 1840. Actually, these are only estimations, as nobody is able to control these numbers. Paris will grow from 500,000 in 1800 to around a million in 1840. In the same period, Berlin will grow from 200,000 to 400,000 and Vienna from 220,000 to 470,000. Other important capitols are Istanbul with about 500,000 and Petersburg 300,000 citizens.
As industry is growing, it produces a new social class of educated people with high income. This class benefits of the progress of sciences and technology. Its members shape the cities with new amusements. For example, a man called Howard Staunton started to organize the first international chess tournament.
On the other side there are the poor ones, artisans and farmers, ruined by the industrial production or the population growth in the country. They come to the cities to make themselves a living and find famine wages for 15 hours of hard work per day as well as child labor. These people do not have much amusement; many spend their free hours with a new game called football.
The undamped growth of the population leads to big problems for the administration. The infrastructure is completely overstrained, the living conditions in most of the quarters are chaotic and the megacities are ideal ground for crime and epidemic plagues. The exploding numbers of people in Europe leads to shortage of food, which cannot be compensated by increasing the numbers of field or using new methods of farming. The price for food is rapidly rising and the distribution between the classes is very uneven.
While the well-off people believe, that technology will help to overcome these problems, other want political reforms. Some believe that mankind has to return to the good old days of the medieval, with strong barriers to control the economy. Others, utopians, believe that all men should have the same rights and that the people should control the politicians. Some even go so far to say that private property was the root of all evil and had to be abolished.
Regardless how perverse any idea is, it will surely be spread all over by the growing number of papers.

This leads us to the riots.

The occupation of Luxembourg by soldiers of the French King has a diplomatic aftermath. The Prussian King, obviously offended by the presence of French troops so close at his border, blames Louis-Philippe to violate the treaty of Vienna and to disturb the order of Europe.
The French monarch repulses the accusation in a very sharp note, followed by a series of notes from both sides, each one published by the press. The diplomatic crisis comes to a head when the other nations of the concert join and adopt the position of France. This makes clear, that Prussia is widely isolated within the concert and that even England as her closest ally prefers to keep distance.
During the discussion, the Prussian King came out of the limb and obviously lost his face. During a couple of weeks it was very likely that this situation would lead to another war, but then Prussia gave in completely.
While failing on the diplomatic parquet, the French King tries to calm the riots at his own provinces. He offers the Catholics to abolish the privileges of the protestant subjects, only to suffer another defeat. The Protestant Church and the squires, which both see themselves as the columns of the Prussian state and monarchy are offended and show their protest in a series of articles and petitions.
The Catholics, represented by the church, refuse to give in and insist that marriage and education have to be under the control of the church.
The situation escalates when there are new riots at Berlin. The commander tries to put down the riots by sending forces of the local garrison, but even soldiers of the guard refuse to open fire.
The Prussian King allows elections for the parliament at Frankfurt, but the rules he gives are anything but democratic. Therefore, most of the deputies are royalists.

The Frankfurt parliament, which wants to make a constitution for a German national state, has the blemish, that there are only deputies from about one third of Germany, as countries like Austria refused to support this revolutionary idea. Further more, many of the deputies are not elected in a proper democratic way.

The work of the parliament goes slowly, blocked by discussions of principle issues, like the frontiers of the new empire, as well as by discussions about actual issues, like the Luxembourg affair.
Under the leadership of the Prussian deputies, the parliament asserts, that Germany will have include all provinces of the Holy Roman Empire, except the Netherlands and Belgium. Especially Luxembourg and Schleswig-Holstein are seen as purely German. The parliament authorizes the Prussian monarch to reconstruct suzerainty at Luxembourg.
This of course does not relieve the situation of the Prussian King.

In autumn, an Austrian army under Hohenzoller tries once again to gain the upper hand against the rebels in South and Western Germany. Leaving Munich in October it marches along the Danube, occupies Württemberg and Baden, then turns northwards to threaten Hessen and Frankfurt. The republicans hastily mobilize their forces and in December 25,000 revolutionary forces try to stop the Imperial Army. They build barricades at Rüsselsheim and prepare themselves for defense. At this time, Hohenzollers army consists of about 14,000 men. The Austrian general tells his men to build trenches, while he sends parts of his cavalry in the rear of the town to cut off the connection with Frankfurt. Then his artillery begins to bombard the town. This goes on for a whole day, then the Austrian infantry begins to assault. However, it comes into crossfire from the flanking vineyards. The assault stocks and the Austrians retreat. An hour later, an Austrian regiment tries to break through the lines at the same place, supported by the Austrian artillery, but once again crossfire slows down the advance and causes high casualties. Right then, an Austrian division assaults the hill on the right flank. Step by step, it fights its way through the lines of the defenders and around noon it reaches the top of the hill, where it stops and begins to pepper the defenders in the valley. Now the lines of the republicans begin to fade away and as soon as the Austrians fetch some cannons on top of the hill, the republicans turn to flight. Soon Austrian hussars penetrate the city and the rest of the republican army turn toward Frankfurt. There, news about the fall of Rüsselsheim leads to panic. The parliament decides to leave the town before the Austrians reach Frankfurt. The members of the parliament and the rest of their army turn to Hannover, where they hope to find shelter by the Prussian King.
Hohenzoller occupies Frankfurt and gathers his troops. He sends messages to the government and the other military commanders. Soon other parts of the Imperial Army are on the march and take positions along the border to Prussia.

At Belgium, there is a kind of equilibrium as the citizens continue to complete the new nation and hope to be recognized by the grand nation. A republican army is built and trained. The Dutch King remains quiet, trying to avoid any further escalation.

The Prussian King is down for the count, but as a blessing for him, most of the public attentions turns to the crisis on the Balkan, where the siege of Istanbul continues and more and more nation become involved in this affair.
Istanbul is far from the capitols of Europe and the still uneasy situation of the Balkans make it difficult to get reliable news in time. Some papers send their agents to the battleground, but their reports come with big delay. During autumn, the siege of Istanbul goes on. The British army, too weak to assault the town, tries to cut off the supply and to weaken the defenses. However, it is unable to block the town completely. Each night, small boat cross the straits in the cover of darkness, breaking through the patrols of the Royal Navy, bringing food to the suffering defenders and returning with news and wounded before the sun returns. The British also fail to cut off the land side.
Nevertheless, the defenders of Istanbul and the remaining civilians suffer hard. On the other side of the walls, the British have similar problems. There is a lack in food, ammo, tents, blankets, drugs etc. This autumn it rains a lot and the soldiers of His majesty have to learn to live in mud. Diseases cause more casualties than combat and the British commander is glad when the first troops of the allies arrive. The first Russian troops come from Moldavia, others straight from Russia, some are even veterans from the war against Persia. During December, the front becomes quiet, as the besiegers wait for more troops and the arrival of the Russian czar. Among the Russian troops, a new disease spreads.
In January, the Russian czar Nicolas arrives with 1,000 soldiers of his guard. He is shocked to see these fields of destructions. About the same time, a contingent of Austrian soldiers arrives. The commanders of the three allies meet to discuss their strategy. Nicolas claims to be the commanders and asks his allies to agree to an immediate assault. The English commander warns him. He tells him that an unknown disease is raging among his troops. There are companies with only 30% of their nominal combat strength. At some companies, 50% of the soldiers died.
The czar is angry and blames his ally to be a coward. Then he asks the Austrian general to support him, cause he is going to assault the town next morning together with the brave Russian soldiers. The Austrian commander replies, that he had the order to stay in the background, but he was willing to support Nicolas as much as possible as long as the Austrians do not join the assault. He even offers that Austrian cannons may join the bombardment. Angrily, the Russian monarch leaves the tent to talk with his generals. However, they are also painting black. The Russian brigades are also fighting against the disease. They have only one third of their nominal strength and even this third is not in the physical condition to assault Istanbul.
Nicolas orders his men to make a concrete plan how to take the town until next morning. Next morning, however, when he wakes up, he first receives the news, that two soldiers of his personal guard have caught the disease. Nicolas is taken by horror. He consults his physician, who explains that this disease must be caused by insalubrious vapor coming from the ground. He expects that the disease will become even worse when the temperatures are going up.
Nicolas tells his generals to break up the siege and to lead the men home. He himself hurries ahead with his guard to return to his capitol.
After his depart, the Austrian commander decides to leave too. He marches as fast as possible back to Vienna. However, before he reaches the capitol, the disease has caught his army.
When the Austrian army returns, together the disease comes with the soldiers and before spring, two thousand citizens die from this unknown disease.
Left alone, the English commander decides to break up the battle and to lead his men southwards to Greece. Before the army decamps, the English commander dies. His staff has to organize the retreat.
The citizens of Istanbul are overjoyed to the besiegers leave. They assault the camps of their plaguer trying to find something to eat. What they do not know is, that they are threatened by another force, a force they cannot stop with city walls. Soon, the disease occupies the town,

At Turino, the Sardinian monarch publishes a speech to encourage the idea of a united Italian monarchy. His words cause demonstration at several Northern Italian cities. At Venice, troops of the Austrian garrison open fire at the demonstrators. The governor blames the protestors.
The King of the two Sicilies, Franceso I., dies and is replaced by Francesco II.
At northern Italy the construction of the new railroad proceeds. A new project starts to improve the connection between Genoa and Nice.

King George of England dies.

At Vienna, Prague and Salzburg, there are protests and strikes against the government. People protest against the military actions against the German parliament and demand national unity. Further more they protest against the high prices, esp. for potatoes and corn.
The French parliament blames the King to support the reaction at Luxembourg and asks him to call back the troops immediately. At January, the French secret police averts an assassination attempt.
France and England start a joined naval program in the Channel.

At Poland, the government spends a lot of money to support the economy including programs in infrastructure and ship yards. This creates new jobs and attracts workers from Russia, Prussia (Pommern and Schlesia) and Austria. The Kingdom of Poland becomes very attractive for the Poles under “foreign” rule.
However, there are also some problems. The programs cause a high deficit. The naval program ceases, as the parliament has still not ordered a concrete number of ships. The Catholic Church protests against the attempt of the government to control the education of the people.

The announcement of England, Russia and Austria to divide the Ottoman Empire into three European controlled spheres of interest mobilizes the Muslims. At Turkey, hundred thousands of people found volunteer regiments, often led by local mullahs. The official government is forced to recognize them and to integrate them under the supreme military command. The government at Ankara declares war at Austria and Russia and concentrates troops at the borders to Russia and at the Asian part of Istanbul.
The Mahdi at Levant calls all Muslim to start a holy war under his leadership. He tells that he was chosen by Allah to crush the Christian intruders and to lead the Islam to the final victory. Thousands join him. The Arabian tribes offer him support and many of the North African tribes make alliances with him.

The Arabian tribes ally with the governor of Levant and thousands of Turkish nationalists form volunteer brigades. The Turkish government is forced to ally with these forces and declares war against England, Austria and Russia.
This wave soon reaches Egypt. At Cairo and Alexandria ten thousand of protestors, spurred on by the priests, demand that Egypt should join the Holy War. Many Egyptians leave their country to join the forces of the Mahdi. The relationship between the Mahdi and the Egyptian ruler becomes more and more difficult as the Mahdi arrests and executes several Egyptian spies and blames the Egyptian to be nothing but a puppet in the hands of the unbelievers.
In the meanwhile. Egyptian troops try to gain upper hand at Crete by using small commando units to penetrate into the country and fight and kill the rebels. Cretan nationalists answer this by sending small platoons into the Egyptian controlled bases to kill soldiers or to do acts of sabotage. So, the situation at Crete stays bloody, without either side gaining ground.
At South Africa, the Egyptian expedition forces go on exploring the country, putting claims on a large part of the country.
Furthermore the Egyptian government starts several programs to support the local industry, esp. the steel and cloth industry. Furthermore it begins with the preparation of a new program to connect the Med and the Red Sea with a railroad. It already founds the new National Egyptian Trade Company, which starts to hire foreign engineers and builds a new port at the Red Sea.
There is also another expedition founding a fortification at Bab-el-Mandeb at the mouth of the Red Sea.

At South Africa, the Boers found a new republic.
:sweatdrop:

Peasant Phill

07-28-2010, 19:43

Great the new chapter.

Thanks Franc.

For the next few minutes I'll be unavailable to all others...

Vladimir

07-28-2010, 20:08

What the hell was that? The Czar throws a temper-tantrum and walks home? What about the fresh supplies, what about falling back to his forces in Greece or Moldova? What about a whole host of other issues?

How much influence do we have over the characters we are supposed to be playing?

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-28-2010, 21:14

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

I'll be back Friday to deal with this. I got a feeling I'm going to have fun as Denmark.

:devil::hat::2thumbsup::smash:

Franconicus

07-29-2010, 16:28

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-29-2010, 17:23

Czar is smart enough not to fight th e big disease! Well, maybe I made him to smart. Could have lost ....

Very true :yes:.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-29-2010, 19:05

From the King of Denmark-

I like to start off saying I am pleased with the new found peace between France and Prussia, and that they avoided a war over such a issue. However, I am very disturbed by the actions that are taking place, with Austria's pushing more and more into Germany, firing upon protesters in Italy, and Prussia wanting all "Pure" German territory under it's control. However, Austria's actions are the least of Denmark's concerns, if they pose any at all.

Schleswig-Holstein has been under Danish control the 12th century. Actually, since the era of the Vikings. The Prussians are asking to take our territory? We are a peaceful nation, not doing anything from our kind nations that border.

We respect the Prussia nation, and would be please to support them any way possible, but we must ask them to look else where for their new "German" territories.

Also, on another issue, I am disgusted to hear about all the killings of Christians going on in the Ottoman Empire and in Crete. I am surprised order can not be restored. We are offering to the 4 powers, Austria, Russia,England and the Ottoman Empires + Egypt at observers to come to Copenhagen to talk about this issue.

King Frederick VI
King of Denmark

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

07-31-2010, 14:42

With Vladimir leaving as Russia, I am pleased to say I found a player to take his place.

King Kurt

08-02-2010, 12:50

With Vladimir leaving as Russia, I am pleased to say I found a player to take his place.

Have I missed something here - is Vladamir going? - shame if he does - I think he is playing a fine game as Tsar of all Russias

Prince Cobra

08-02-2010, 16:57

Hopefully tomorrow Herr Metternich will finish his speech and will announce it. For now the Chancellor is slightly worried by the depression that has fallen onto the Russian Tsar and hopes that he will recover soon.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

08-02-2010, 17:46

Have I missed something here - is Vladamir going? - shame if he does - I think he is playing a fine game as Tsar of all Russias

Agreed, but no worries, I got someone to take his place for a short term basis (2-3 chapters).

4,900 posts I made so far!! :balloon2::balloon2:

King Kurt

08-03-2010, 13:10

Agreed, but no worries, I got someone to take his place for a short term basis (2-3 chapters).

4,900 posts I made so far!! :balloon2::balloon2:

Warman - first of all congrats on 4,900 posts - most of which probably said "can't wait" of "hurry up with your orders":laugh4::laugh4:

Has Vladimir really gone? - he hasn't said anything on the thread - perhaps he really did catch the plague??????
As for the forces of England we are disappointed with the reverse suffered at the walls of Istanbul, but feel while we fear no living man, the wrath of the almighty in the shape of disease can defeat the most steadfast soldier. However, we are not finished in this part of the world and will defend those who stand against the infidel.
Moreover, rejoice in the coronation of William IV - "the sailor King" No doubt the King - a long term serving naval officer who held some of the highest offices within the navy - will take a close interest in His Majesty's navy and its continued use as the military arm of all his dominions.

By the way, a trip to Wiki's article on William IV is well worth while. Apparently he managed to sire 10 illegitimate children with an actress - way to go kingy!!:laugh4:

Vladimir

08-03-2010, 13:25

King Kurt

08-03-2010, 13:39

Hello everyone,

I've been asked to make clear my continued involvement in the interactive. It seems that my expectations for this role are outside the scope of this interactive. Therefore I'd like King Jan to take over the role of Russia if he so chooses.

Thank you.
Vlad - shame to see you go - you have been a positive contributer to this IH and I have enjoyed your input - your sucessor will have big boots to fill.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

08-03-2010, 15:35

Warman - first of all congrats on 4,900 posts - most of which probably said "can't wait" of "hurry up with your orders":laugh4::laugh4:

Has Vladimir really gone? - he hasn't said anything on the thread - perhaps he really did catch the plague??????
As for the forces of England we are disappointed with the reverse suffered at the walls of Istanbul, but feel while we fear no living man, the wrath of the almighty in the shape of disease can defeat the most steadfast soldier. However, we are not finished in this part of the world and will defend those who stand against the infidel.
Moreover, rejoice in the coronation of William IV - "the sailor King" No doubt the King - a long term serving naval officer who held some of the highest offices within the navy - will take a close interest in His Majesty's navy and its continued use as the military arm of all his dominions.

By the way, a trip to Wiki's article on William IV is well worth while. Apparently he managed to sire 10 illegitimate children with an actress - way to go kingy!!:laugh4:

I'll hit 5,000 in the next month at this rate! :laugh4::laugh4:

Perhaps the new king should invest in some condoms! :laugh4::laugh4:

King Jan III Sobieski

08-03-2010, 19:55

I'll hit 5,000 in the next month at this rate! :laugh4::laugh4:

Perhaps the new king should invest in some condoms! :laugh4::laugh4:

I, Czar ALexander, wish to know...what are these "condoms" you speak of?

Franconicus

08-05-2010, 14:17

Let's put deadline on August 20th.
Please send your orders in time and in one piece!

There are no new numbers, because not much changed in the military figures and obviously most ignore their finances.

Centurion1

08-05-2010, 22:50

I'd like to see my finances and see how. My new taxes affected it along with the new industrial growth and. Spending

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

08-06-2010, 14:47

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

08-06-2010, 22:30

Is the following people still active in the IH? :

Warluster
Subotan
Master Magic Mage

Because if not.... Well... I need PM's answers from some of them.

Prince Cobra

08-07-2010, 09:14

I'd like to see my finances and see how. My new taxes affected it along with the new industrial growth and. Spending

I agree. The finance is the spice of this nice IH. I think we should be kept updated about it. Btw, each IH player should include the cost of his armies and the projects he plans to do. He should also keep an account of his deficit and etc. If someone fails to include financial data in his orders, this should lead to some kind of punishment, say slight decrease of the income as a result of corruption and such unpleasant things.

Sending you a list with questions, Franc. :evilgrin: ~;)

Is the following people still active in the IH? :

Warluster
Subotan
Master Magic Mage

Perhaps they should post in the IH to make sure they are still in or we should look for a replacement? As reading the chapter, it seems MMM had some activity, Warluster probably did not and I am not sure about Subotan.

Prince Cobra

08-07-2010, 10:17

Announcement from Prince von Metternich, Chancellor of the Austrian Empire

First, I would like to acclaim the brave Imperial troops for successfully defeating the rebels and ending the chaos in Frankfurt. I sincerely hope that in the following months the legitimate representatives of the states within the Confederation will return and resume work that was halted by the months of chaos that has plagued the city. Talking of the states within the Confederation, I am extremely worried about the situation in the Prussian Kingdom. Despite the problems in maintaining the order, I have high hopes that the Prussian King will ultimately manage to stabilise his critical position.

I also summon the Ministers of the Cabinet in order to discuss the complications of the Eastern question crisis and other important problems. I would also plan to meet and discuss with the ambassadors of the Russian Empire and Great Britain the recent events. I also appreciate the concerns of King Frederick VI and I hope we will utilise the services offered by the Danish government in the future.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

08-07-2010, 23:24

King of Denmark thanks the Prince for his kind words

:bow:

I be gone for the next 1 1/2 weeks, then I'll be back to reply to any and all PM's and submit my orders on time :yes:!

Beefy187

08-10-2010, 09:39

If this is slow paced game as it seems to be, I would gladly take up open spot.
Though i'm a new guy in this game, so I'll spectate for a while.

Peasant Phill

08-10-2010, 09:53

This is in fact a slow paced game. I don't know if there is a spot open for a new player as this depends on Franconicus.
But if a new factions isn't possible, I would love to have somebody to discuss the future of Egypt with. It seems to work out well for Austria.

Prince Cobra

08-10-2010, 13:11

If this is slow paced game as it seems to be, I would gladly take up open spot.
Though i'm a new guy in this game, so I'll spectate for a while.

That's great, Beefy! We have a short-term replacement for Russia but as far as I know Jan III serves like an emergency replacement. Perhaps you two should come up with any sort of agreement of co-ruling Russia until Jan withdraws. It can begin with you just as a wtiness of the diplomatic correspondence (you should know about 30 per cent only appears in the thread) and slowly increasing your responsibilities. Perhaps you should contact him.

Which reminds me I have to answer some PMs tomorrow. :shame:

Franconicus

08-10-2010, 16:01

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

08-10-2010, 17:15

Peasant Phill

08-10-2010, 20:15

I'm sorry to hear that, Franc.

I hope there is somebody that can/wants to take over.

Kagemusha

08-11-2010, 02:35

Thank you for this journey Franc!:bow: I am sorry that my participation has been minimal as of lately, but i am torn right now with several things keeping me busy. I hope others could fill in to run this game as it would be a real shame for this great IH just to fade away. Thank you Franc!

Prince Cobra

08-11-2010, 06:27

Gentlemen,

let me inform you about my decision to end the game after the next term. Of course, everybody can jump in and take over.

Further more I wonder if anybody knows the plague that stopped the allied armies at Istanbul. It is not completely án invention of me!

Personally, I think you were great as a administrator of this Interactive. I really wish you continued but Real Life comes first, of course. Now I even feel guilty for sometimes long list of questions that I sent to you. :shame:

About the plague. :yes:

P.S. Perhaps you should give him just a hiatus but that's up to you.

King Kurt

08-11-2010, 17:12

Gentlemen,

let me inform you about my decision to end the game after the next term. Of course, everybody can jump in and take over.

Further more I wonder if anybody knows the plague that stopped the allied armies at Istanbul. It is not completely án invention of me!

Franc

I, along with all the other players are sad to hear you are calling it a day - it has, as always, been great fun. Hopefully you will return to us refreshed in the future to lead us in another adventure in history.
The multi player, open ended IHs have been the centrepiece of this thread for the last few years. They have always been fantastic to take part in, but have always petered out to an end as they obviously enatail so much work. Perhaps we need a couple of shorter IHs to allow the masters of the larger ones to recharge their batteries - just a thought.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

08-12-2010, 16:15

As argeed upon by me and Fran via PM, I'll temporarily resign as Denmark next chapter so I'll host it for a chapter two so we can find more permanent replacement since school is starting soon for me.

:book::book::book::book:

Peasant Phill

08-12-2010, 18:18

Thanks warman

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

08-12-2010, 18:33

Thanks warman

your welcome

Beefy187

08-13-2010, 00:30

That's great, Beefy! We have a short-term replacement for Russia but as far as I know Jan III serves like an emergency replacement. Perhaps you two should come up with any sort of agreement of co-ruling Russia until Jan withdraws. It can begin with you just as a wtiness of the diplomatic correspondence (you should know about 30 per cent only appears in the thread) and slowly increasing your responsibilities. Perhaps you should contact him.

Which reminds me I have to answer some PMs tomorrow. :shame:

I'm a bit busy till tomorrow, but after that I should be available.
I'll send Jan a pm tomorrow :bow:

Master Magic Mage

08-13-2010, 09:27

I'm still here, just to let you know.

Peasant Phill

08-13-2010, 16:27

I'm still here, just to let you know.

Glad to have you.

Sorry but I have no idea about your role in this IH so far. Are you already part of this IH or were you overlooked when applying for a country?

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

08-13-2010, 16:52

He's Sardina.

King Jan III Sobieski

08-14-2010, 19:21

Beefy, My PM box is open now!!!

Beefy187

08-16-2010, 13:26

Beefy, My PM box is open now!!!

Awesome! Sending pms now:bow:

Prince Cobra

08-19-2010, 13:43

Gentlemen,

I hope you have not forgotten that tomorrow is the dead line! Let's hurry up a bit. :bow:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

08-19-2010, 15:36

Gentlemen,

I hope you have not forgotten that tomorrow is the dead line! Let's hurry up a bit. :bow:

Agreed! Orders will be sent tomorrow for Denmark!

Peasant Phill

08-19-2010, 18:41

I haven't forgotten but I still have to write the words down .

Kagemusha

08-20-2010, 13:52

Orders sent.:bow:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

08-20-2010, 15:35

The King of Denmark has a major announcement to declare in the upcoming new year :clown:.

:bow:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

08-21-2010, 00:33

Orders are in!

Peasant Phill

08-21-2010, 17:48

Orders are in

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

08-23-2010, 12:49

Subotan better return shortly, because when I take over this IH, I got someone very special line up for Prussia! It's a surprise!

Franconicus

08-24-2010, 17:40

I have orders from France, Denmark, Egypt and Russia.
Rest is still missing!!
Where's Prussia, Austria, England, Sardinia, Netherlands and Poland?

Please hurry!!

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

08-24-2010, 19:52

Is it that hard to get your orders in on time?

:dizzy2::inquisitive::no::no:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

08-24-2010, 20:54

I have orders from France, Denmark, Egypt and Russia.
Rest is still missing!!
Where's Prussia, Austria, England, Sardinia?

Please hurry!!

Cashews and Milk for Me, Kagemusha, Peasanet Phill and my brother Sobieski!

:book::balloon2::balloon2::balloon2:

None for Stephen, KK, Master Magic Mage or Subotan! :no: :laugh4:

Prince Cobra

08-25-2010, 09:28

I am sending my decisions today. :shame:

King Kurt is absent for more than a week, King Jan has been inactive for about the same time, I think, so I won't delay the chapter anymore. :bow:

Prince Cobra

08-25-2010, 17:33

I have just seen why the letters to King Jan are unread. I have sent them to the wrong account. :shame:

But what is done is done. Orders are sent.

A small musical master piece to wipe out the shame. I almost do not remember the film (most of the images are not from the film!) but the soundtrack is really good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygNuRpwZqRU

King Kurt

08-26-2010, 15:50

Sorry for the no show for some time - blame work and holiday - I will back in harness next Tuesday.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

08-26-2010, 17:36

Hope you get your orders in by Tuesday!

Master Magic Mage

08-26-2010, 18:06

Wait, i already though i sent my orders? Or has there already been a chapter i've missed?

Edit: Ah, i missed it. Alright, orders coming.

Prince Cobra

08-30-2010, 15:05

Announcement from the Chancellery of the Austrian Empire

The Austrian Empire informs the foreign governments that she is worried by the unrest in the Ottoman Empire and the prolonged warfare in the area. Austria withdraws the 2 500 numbered expeditionary force from the Ottoman Empire as a gesture of good will and begins talks with the Ottoman government. The agents sent in Istanbul do not have the instructions to sign a cease-fire for the reason Austria is loyal to her allies but the talks are aimed to provide the ground for a future peace between the three allies and the Ottoman Empire.

Once again the Austrian government demonstrates its will to resolve the conflict diplomatically, not militarily. I believe the arising amount of violence in the Middle East is already a good proof for the necessity to find an alternative to the brutal force. The Danube monarchy will appreciate the help of any state, even those not amongst the five Great Powers in the process. The government of Austria also hopes that the hostilities will end during the next year.

OOC: ANother favourite theme(s) of mine. I find the first fits well to the announcement. The other fit with the desert and Eastern crisis. Ah, and I recommend the film to everyone who have not watched it. :bow:

OOC2: Good luck to everyone and hope Franconicus will reconsider his decision and stay to run the wonderful Interactive he created!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHOaaNT69qU&feature=related

Franconicus

08-30-2010, 17:16

Chapter 15 –June 1830 to May 1831

The disease which stopped the fall of Istanbul last year, is now on the march into the heart of Europe. At Vienna, many citizens died before the disease ended. Other cities like Prague, Budapest, Dubrovnik Belgrade and many more are turned into places of horror.
Austrian physicians work hard to find a treatment against this new plague, but all their attempts are fruitless so far. At least, they have a theory, an assumption that the cause of this illness comes originally from Persia and came along with Russian troops. And they have a name; the physicians call the new, terrible and unknown disease CHOLERA.
The Cholera also crosses the border to Russia, causing horror and pain in the southern provinces and finally reaches Warsaw, where thousand die.
All over Europe, newspapers are spreading the alarming news and citizens as well as their governments are horrified. The poor people try to find shelter in religion and pilgrimages become very popular. The rich ones try to find help in new panaceas like a new medicament made from Egyptian mummies.

Austria tries to stop the disease with strict quarantine - with limited success. The imperial family leaves the capitol and goes to Salzburg.
The Austrian government keeps on working and passes a patent law to secure the intellectual property of inventors and signs a custom unit agreement with Bavaria. The railroad between Vienna and Bavaria is opened, although locomotives are still missing. However, a new factory for locomotives is found at Vienna and a new railroad project is started to connect Vienna and Budapest.

Newspaper report that the Imperial army starts field tests with a new infantry gun.

Russia fosters the modernization of her country. The Czar offers reforms to give more economic and personal freedom. Furthermore, he releases Poland and opens the way to a new Polish monarchy.

The Czar also increases the strength of his navy by purchasing a ship of the line from Denmark and increases his army to 85,000 men. Russian troops keep on raiding against Ottoman settlements. In spring, they begin a bigger campaign. About 8,000 Russian soldiers, mainly Cossacks and light infantry defeat a Turkish army and occupy Wallachia and Moldavia.

The new Greece monarch manages to get his administration working and tries to solve the problems at his borders. With a fleet of trade ships, Greek volunteers from the mainland cross the sea and land at the western coast of Crete. The Greek commander starts his march along the northern coastline, crushing Egyptian posts and being constantly reinforced by Crete partisans. As he marches on eastwards, Greek rebels raise in the east as well and the situation of the occupants becomes desperate. The Greek finally approach the last stand of the Moslems -Heraklion. On their way they do not bother making prisoners. Heraklion, a fortified place, stands the assaults of the Christians, but the commander is afraid, that the Greek will soon manage to cut off the connection to the sea, which would stop supply and surely end the resistance. He send messages to Egypt, asking the Sultan to evacuate his force.

Another Greek army of about 30,000 patriots starts a campaign against Constantinople, which is claimed to be a Greek town. In a bloody battle against 90,000 volunteers from Turkey, the Greek forces have to turn back. In reply, Turkish troops assault Greek cities on the Asian mainland and slaughter the citizens.

The chaotic situation at the Balkans, the Cholera and the appeals of the Mahdi end the rule of the Turkish generals. A civil war begins, with local commanders and religious leaders trying to get upper hand.

Tension between the Mahdi and Egypt grow. Both sides begin to mobilize their forces. The Mahdi mobilizes 120,000 men at Jerusalem. Additionally, his agents cause a riot against the Egyptian forces at Sudan.

Although Egypt is only able to mobilize an army of 30,000, it acts much faster and invades the territory of its enemy. Soon the troops cross the Sinai and then begin to turn north wards. The troops are accompanied and supplied by the Egyptian fleet and take Gaza and Ascalon. Here, they are attacked by the forces of the Mahdi. Pushed by religious fanatics, they storm against the Egyptian columns. However, modern guns and cannons tear big holes in their rows. When the fanatics finally reach the position of the Egyptians, their line begins to retreat. At this moment, the Egyptian commander calls the cavalry to charge the flanks and the rear of the fanatics. These cannot stand the cavalry charge and are forced to retreat. More than 20,000 stay on the battle ground. The Mahdi prepares his troops for another assault and during night he receives reinforcements from Jerusalem. Once again ten thousands run against the Egyptian stand and are welcomed by concentric fire. The Egyptians run tight of bullets and when the fanatics reach their lines, first soldiers turn to run away. Again, the Egyptian cavalry tries to stop the fanatics but new waves push her away. However, before the Egyptian lines are crushed completely, the fanatics are called back. The Mahdi gathers his troops. For the rest of the day, the two army stand and watch each others, but during night, the army of the Mahdi disappears. The Egyptian commander hardly believes that it is gone, but then he receives the news that an Egyptian forces has landed at Sidon and occupied Damascus. The Egyptian troops now hurry to follow the army of the Mahdi. After the battles of Ascalon and Damascus, many of his followers leave the Mahdi. The rest tries to turn fate at the battle Tyre, but the combined Egyption forces win this battle. The Mahdi dies from a ball from an Egyptian ship.
At Sudan, the rebellion encircles the Egyptian garrison. An army is send to break the siege, but this time the rebels win and 5,000 Egyptian soldiers are killed.
It is an awful year for the Egyptian colony at South Africa. First, it seems as if there was no rain at all this year and then it does not stop raining. Most of the harvest is destroyed and the colonists suffer from hunger. Their African neighbors suffer the same fate and during winter, several tribes all and raid the Egyptian territory. Hundred of settlers are killed and their farms are burned down. The rest gathers in the base and the governor knows that he will not be able to stand another year without support from home.

At Prussia, confusion and disorder rules. There are still demonstrations against the government. The King flees from Berlin as more and more soldiers of the guard collaborate with the protestors. The declaration of the independent realm of Poland alarms the Prussian troops. Polish demonstrates demand that their provinces become part of a united Poland. More Prussian troops are sent to keep control. That is the situation when the Cholera begins to conquer the provinces. Many people die, Prussian soldiers as well as Polish protestors. One of the victims is von Clausewitz.

Benefiting from the Prussian inactivity, France secures his position at Luxembourg. Critical incidents happen along the border to Belgium, when Belgium and French troops are involved in small combats.
France starts a military cooperation with England. France will purchase English ships and French sailors will be trained by the Royal Navy. France also begins to produce a naval gun, that is able to shoot explosive projectiles with high accuracy.

Denmark begins to set up new relationships with the other nations. It sells one sol and invests the profit in new military equipment. It makes a treaty of military cooperation with the Polish government. It begins to investigate on engines and sends engineers to Egypt. And it begins to increase the fortifications at Holstein.
Danish papers ask the government to introduce a new constitution to give more rights to citizens.
Protesters at Holstein accuse the King to prepare the entry of this provinces into the Danish state. Parties are found to support the remaining as part of the German Bund.

Denmark sends an expedition force to China to support Danish interests there. The ships with 3,000 soldiers are expected to reach China next summer.

At Italy, the movement for national unity grows. Papers spread the idea and parties gather volunteers and money. The King of the two Sicilies condemns these parties, which begin to work in the underground. In February, several thousands protest against the Austrian occupation.
Still many thousand Italians leave their country each year. There is a new society, that wants to lead this emigration to northern Africa, especially to the shores of Libya and Tunis. Here, new Italian settlements pop up.

:bow:

Peasant Phill

08-30-2010, 21:13

Quite the interesting year for Egypt.

Thanks Franc for this update

Master Magic Mage

08-30-2010, 23:58

One question, who owns this region of North Africa italians are settling in?

Prince Cobra

08-31-2010, 08:05

Another good update, Franc. :bow:

One question, who owns this region of North Africa italians are settling in?

Officially, it is under control of the Ottoman Empire but de facto the tribal leaders control the province.

King Kurt

08-31-2010, 13:18

First my apologies for not being active - first work was hectic, then I have been on holiday. Can I ask if Franc is going to do one more chapter or do we send orders to Warman now?

Prince Cobra

08-31-2010, 13:38

I decided to aid with the calculations of the budget. If you have any thing you disagree, tell the host. The fleets of Prussia and Russia need to be reviewed and are not calculated,btw.

1830/1831 --Income next year----A-cost -----------------Fleet -----------debt --------------Army seize
AUSTRIA -----14.000.000 --------14.000.000----------100.000 ------103.900.000 ------150.000
PRUSSIA -----8.000.00 -----------11.500.000 ----------500.000 ------161.500.000 ------115.000
RUSSIA ------7.000.000------------ 5.100.000 ----------0 ---------------186.500.000 --------85.000
ENGLAND ----14.000.000 ----------5.400.000 ----------4.500.000 ----162.300.000 -------45.000
FRANCE ------7.000.000 -----------4.000.000 -----------600.000 -----182.150.000 ---------40.000
Sardinia -------4.000.000 -----------3.600.000 -----------150.000 -------6.700.000 -----------40.000
Netherlan -----5.5000.000 ---------1.500.000 ---------3.200.000 -------7.500.000 ----------15.000
Egypt ---------4.500.000 ----------3.500.000 ------------700.000 ------37.200.000 ---------50.000
Poland --------2.000.000 ----------4.000.000 ------------0 -------------- 6.000.000 --------40.000

Army reserves and emergent expenditures are not included!

P.S. There is no data for Denmark

P.S. What is the income next year? Does the cholera affectthe income? Other positive/negative changes?

Kagemusha

08-31-2010, 14:20

I think i have used over 15 million thalers to reconstruction and economical projects, since the last income figures three years a go.So i think the French income is bit more then the same level it was back then.