Concert of Europe

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

First my apologies for not being active - first work was hectic, then I have been on holiday. Can I ask if Franc is going to do one more chapter or do we send orders to Warman now?

As far as I know, to me I presume.


I decided to aid with the calculations of the budget. If you have any thing you disagree, tell the host. The fleets of Prussia and Russia need to be reviewed and are not calculated,btw.


1830/1831 --Income next year----A-cost -----------------Fleet -----------debt --------------Army seize
AUSTRIA -----14.000.000 --------14.000.000----------100.000 ------103.900.000 ------150.000
PRUSSIA -----8.000.00 -----------11.500.000 ----------500.000 ------161.500.000 ------115.000
RUSSIA ------7.000.000------------ 5.100.000 ----------0 ---------------186.500.000 --------85.000
ENGLAND ----14.000.000 ----------5.400.000 ----------4.500.000 ----162.300.000 -------45.000
FRANCE ------7.000.000 -----------4.000.000 -----------600.000 -----182.150.000 ---------40.000
Sardinia -------4.000.000 -----------3.600.000 -----------150.000 -------6.700.000 -----------40.000
Netherlan -----5.5000.000 ---------1.500.000 ---------3.200.000 -------7.500.000 ----------15.000
Egypt ---------4.500.000 ----------3.500.000 ------------700.000 ------37.200.000 ---------50.000
Poland --------2.000.000 ----------4.000.000 ------------0 -------------- 6.000.000 --------40.000

Army reserves and emergent expenditures are not included!

P.S. There is no data for Denmark

P.S. What is the income next year? Does the cholera affectthe income? Other positive/negative changes?

Danke Herr Cobra. I'll talk with Fran about a good number for Denmark. Or I'll can do it myself.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Give me until Monday to do the objectives. I got school and work the next 3 days and I want some time to do proper stuff. Each nation will get a PM regarding what they must,er, rather, should, since I can not force you to do squick. I'll PM everyone now regarding how many men they can recruit.

Army system- I'm putting into effect a more advance military system. Long story short.... Russia can recruit, via my thoughts, 500,000 men. If they recruit the max, which is that, then, there will be no negative per say, but it be somewhat hard on them unless they have massive workforce supporting it. Any more then that will negativley affect Russia's Military, which will lead them to revolt or if fighting, looting, which will cause more problems.


If you attack a town, I want detailed plans. Saying you want to bombard it and lauch 10,000 men on all sides at Vienna isn't enough. Do this, and you might lose. Even if you do win, don't be suprise if your generals gets killed by a sniper's bullet. In RL, battles, espcally sieges were no party, espcally in the 18th and 19th centuries.

Don't be afraid to promote certain men in your army/navy,etc....
No matter the branch. Real life or fantasy, it will give him credibilly, give him a backround as chapters go on and well.... I just love characters and contiuing storylines.


I'm in class now, so I'll send out PM's later.

[Prince Cobra]

Give me until Monday to do the objectives. I got school and work the next 3 days and I want some time to do proper stuff. Each nation will get a PM regarding what they must,er, rather, should, since I can not force you to do squick. I'll PM everyone now regarding how many men they can recruit.

Good luck! We are patient


Army system- I'm putting into effect a more advance military system. Long story short.... Russia can recruit, via my thoughts, 500,000 men. If they recruit the max, which is that, then, there will be no negative per say, but it be somewhat hard on them unless they have massive workforce supporting it. Any more then that will negativley affect Russia's Military, which will lead them to revolt or if fighting, looting, which will cause more problems.

If you attack a town, I want detailed plans. Saying you want to bombard it and lauch 10,000 men on all sides at Vienna isn't enough. Do this, and you might lose. Even if you do win, don't be suprise if your generals gets killed by a sniper's bullet. In RL, battles, espcally sieges were no party, espcally in the 18th and 19th centuries.

Well, I hope this system won't radically change the system that existed so far. I believe the cost/upkeep of each soldier were the money the state paid for food/accomodation. Just an idea.

Second, I think it is a bit over ambitious to expect from us full knowledge on war tactics. In fact, the monarchs/ chancellors and etc. seldom commanded the battles in the epoch. After all, there were generals who did the strategy/tactics. IMHO we should be given at least several options from the general staff (only in the most specific situations, say when the forces are about the same size ) and in most of the cases should not be bothered with very detailed actions. For example, most of the generals are qualified enough to crush a badly organised uprising even without specific instructions.

[Kagemusha]

I agree with Mister Metternich. ~;pAlso if you will go into too much detail, it will just mean lots and lots of more work for you as a host.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I agree with Mister Metternich. ~;pAlso if you will go into too much detail, it will just mean lots and lots of more work for you as a host.



True Mr.Kage. Good idea also Stephen. Objectives will be sent out within 36 hours.




:book:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

2 Objectives have been sent out so far. More soon to follow.



Prussia is now open to players since Subotan is inactive. Beefy187 can take over as Russia now also.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Deadline is 9/20/2010, more updates to come!

[Prince Cobra]

Deadline is 9/20/2010, more updates to come!

How are we going to calculate the budget for the next year? I think we should not change the existing system radically but rather slowly adjust it to the taste of the new host. To make it more clear, evolutionary approach seems to be better than the revolutionary approach. Thus we can avoid confusion.

Any thoughts, Mr. Warman?

:bow:

[Beefy187]

Could you please send me the details of Russia? Like diplomacy state, army strength, economy etc.
Otherwise I won't know what to do.

Cheers :bow:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

How are we going to calculate the budget for the next year? I think we should not change the existing system radically but rather slowly adjust it to the taste of the new host. To make it more clear, evolutionary approach seems to be better than the revolutionary approach. Thus we can avoid confusion.

Any thoughts, Mr. Warman?

:bow:


Good idea Cobra.


Could you please send me the details of Russia? Like diplomacy state, army strength, economy etc.
Otherwise I won't know what to do.

Cheers :bow:



Will do.

:bow:

[Peasant Phill]

Crap, I forgot all about the deadline today. My most sincere apologies.
I'll get my orders done ASAP.

[King Kurt]

What deadline - I am still waiting for a PM from Warman objectives etc - I can't start talking to others until I know what he wants etc.

[Master Magic Mage]

Yeah, i also still need the objectives.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Pushing the deadline back until Friday.

[Peasant Phill]

Pushing the deadline back until Friday.

I won't be able to make that either. I haven't received answers to my questions yet. Without them I won't post any orders.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Going to have to drop this. To much on my plate. I am better as a player then I am host.

[Prince Cobra]

Going to have to drop this. To much on my plate. I am better as a player then I am host.

At least you tried. :bow:

So this IH has an open ending. Who knows? Perhaps Franc may one day pick it.

Personally, I will dedicate the leisure time on Real Life issues, other projects and recharge my batteries.These mutli-player IH are really time consuming so perhaps this will be my last big IH for the next one-two years. I may also appear occasionally in Franc's single player IH, which is really intriguing. :bow:

Thanks to everyone I have played with. Once again :bow:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Hate looking like a failure (which I know I am one anyhow :laugh4::no:), but IH's are so hard to run.

Maybe this one will be back.


I am waiting for Kagemusha's IH. Hope he brings his back would keep me busy then.


Thanks Fran for a nice IH.

:bow:

[Beefy187]

Thats a shame. I've never got a good go at this game.
Thanks for hosting Warman :bow: And Franc before that.
It must be a tough one to host.

Out of interest, what is happening behind the scene? Like how does one host an IH?

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Howdy all,

I am going to see if I can re-host the CoE IH with Mister Fran's permission. If I do, I hope you all will rejoin it!

[Warluster]

I would rejoin a renewed CoE, and hopefully we get some old faces back...

Also, am I the only one shocked to see its been nearly two years since this went down? Wow.

[Franconicus]

Thanx for your innitiative. Can I join as player, too?

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Yes sir!

Here are the factions I am looking at.

Austria
France
Ottoman Empire
Russia
England
Sardinia-Piedmont
Denmark
Prussia
Spain


I will allow sign-ups to begin in a few days and I will PM everyone but I will let you pick the first faction though. Since you were the original host I will let you pick early and be the first one to pick.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Sign-ups are now open! I will let players pick their factions first before I write the new chapter (The Prologue), then you guys can start going at it! I need a few days to organize this!

Starting year will be 1842..... 6 years before the revolutions!

Austria
France
Ottoman Empire
Russia: Arjos
England
Sardinia-Piedmont
Denmark
Prussia
Spain
Switzerland

[SoFarSoGood]

Having read much of the previous posts I'd be interested in this as England or any of them really.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Ok :).

[Arjos]

Put me down as Russia ^^

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Ok :).

[Csargo]

I'll take Prussia if that's alright.

[Franconicus]

France!

[SoFarSoGood]

As I am new to this it's been suggested that I play as part of the Austria team with a more experienced player. I accept.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

France!


As I am new to this it's been suggested that I play as part of the Austria team with a more experienced player. I accept.


I'll take Prussia if that's alright.


Wow, 3 players in hours. Terrific!

I will update now!

Also, information on the game;

Armies;
Here are the sizes of the nation's armies. I did some research to find these numbers and I will adjust the budgets according. When the game starts some nations will be in good shape financially, other nations not so much, so it be up to the individual player to decide to increase, decrease, or keep the army the same.

Austria-100 Talers a man a year-350,000 men. 53 Million talers income for Chapter 1 (Will be released in a little bit).
France-120 Talers- 570,000 men- 100 million talers
Ottoman Empire-75 Talers- 225,000 men- 17 million
Russia 75 Talers- 859,000 men- 80 million Talers
England-110 Talers- 75,000 men- 100 million talers
Sardinia-Piedmont- 80 Talers-45,000 men- 52 million talers
Denmark- 75 Talers- 40,000 men- 48 million talers
Prussia-85 Talers- 175,000 men- 35 million talers
Spain- 50 Talers-125,000 men-10 million talers
The Swiss- 100 Talers- 45,000 men- 55 million talers

Austria-SoFarSoGood/Warman8
France- Franconicus
Ottoman Empire-
Russia- Arjos
England-
Sardinia-Piedmont-
Denmark-
Prussia- Csargo
Spain-
Swiss-

[SoFarSoGood]

Umm that makes 4 players.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Umm that makes 4 players.

Yeah, I meant after my last post last night there was 3 more sign-ups besides Arjos. 4 total of course.

[Csargo]

Do you plan on making a new thread or just continuing in this one?

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Do you plan on making a new thread or just continuing in this one?

Probably in this thread. Keep the history of the game and thread alive. :yes:

[SoFarSoGood]

I shall be playing as Metternich as the former Kaiser shall be returning.

[Franconicus]

To the instruments, gentlemen, and let the concert begin.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Chapter 1 will start soon!

[Franconicus]

England is still missing :sigh:

[King Jan III Sobieski]

15 minutes it will be up.

[Greyblades]

Ok I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do here but I got invited and it looks more interesting than the usual mafia's so I'll take england.

[SoFarSoGood]

Welcome England.... maybe.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Chapter 1-


The year is 1842. It has been a tense few years in Europe. Wars and come and gone and there are new leaders in Europe since we last picked up. This will be another bloody era in European and World history.....


For England, the Duke is no longer Prime Minister. Sir Robert Peel is now the Prime Minister of England. England is still somewhat embarrassed it could not take the Turkish Capital over 10 years ago. It was a bright spot for them. They are now engaged in a war with China, a Opium war they call it. They are also intervening in Afghanistan at the moment, a far away nation. They tried helping Greece many moons ago and they are now independent under King Otto. However a lot of Greeks are still under Ottoman Rule. Will the England help them or turn to Asia and Europe?

France has a new leader as well. Louis Philippe They went though a rebellion some time ago and fought against England with the Turks. It started out well but lost Malta and was ruined. The attacks in Spain went well for the French though and the French destroyed their Turkish ally army in Southern Spain, killing almost 20,000 of them. They certainly have no love for the Turks. They are doing better military wise however and are a rich nation. They also have a beef with the Prussians and still owe the Austrians big time for saving them 20-30 years ago.







Prussia is led by Friedrich Wilhelm IV. They are having problems with Denmark over the Holstein question. May War brew between all of them? Their military is not the best in Europe by any standard but is getting better. Some say in 30 years it may be better then the English. They want to see a united Germany. They are Germanic like the Austrians but they prefer to see them gone. They are trying to build up their economic as well with railroads for example. Will they succeed?

Russia is led by Nicholas I. Russia fought a few wars in the past 12 years with the Turks and almost with the English. They tried taking their capital with them and the Austrians but it failed. Jomini is still with the Russians. They never forgave the Turks and the English and still remained close with the Austrians even though they want to get into the Ottoman Balkans lands. They are still somewhat a backwards nations but a huge army. Only perhaps China has a biggest force then them. They need to upgrade big time.


Austria is now led by Ferdinand I and Metternich is still around. Franz I died few years prior. Archduke Charles is still around but is old. General Warman8 is still around. He has not fought a battle since the Italian affairs and briefly outside the Turkish theater. He is in his mid 30's now with a long career ahead of him. He is tutored by Archduke Charles. Radezsky is a old man but is in charge of the Italian affairs now. There are revolution rumors going on in Hungary and Northern Italy. Ottoman Empire is neutral and Egypt is neutral as well. They are looking to modernize as well. Can they make it?




Ottoman Empire is led by Abd-ul-Mejid I. They have been humiliated by the English, then the French, almost by the Allied Force, and now by the Greeks and the Egyptians. How much more can this fragile state take?

Denmark is lead by Christian VIII.They are in a fight with the Prussians over their province in the north. They also sent a force to China where they have a small port in and garrison. The Chinese might attack them. They are modernizing however their navy and economy. ill others follow suit?


Spain is led by Isabella II. They are a fragile nation as well from the old Napoleon days. They hardly have a income and people are calling for more colonies. Is this what they really need?

The Swiss are a strong people. But there may be a war between the Protestants and the Catholic (Sontherbund League). Hopefully a war doesn't boil over to other nations....

Victor Emmanuel II is in Charge of Sardina-Piedmont. He is 22 years old, his father being murdered a at Congress in Vienna 20 years prior. He still harbors ill will towards the Austrians and the British for this. All of the Italian states are modernizing and he wants to unify the country. Can they do it?



Let the games begin! Deadline is the 10th of August, PM's sent out later!



Austria-100 Talers a man a year-350,000 men. 53 Million talers income for Chapter 1 (Will be released in a little bit).
France-120 Talers- 570,000 men- 100 million talers
Ottoman Empire-75 Talers- 225,000 men- 17 million
Russia 75 Talers- 859,000 men- 80 million Talers
England-110 Talers- 75,000 men- 100 million talers
Sardinia-Piedmont- 80 Talers-45,000 men- 52 million talers
Denmark- 75 Talers- 40,000 men- 48 million talers
Prussia-85 Talers- 175,000 men- 35 million talers
Spain- 50 Talers-125,000 men-10 million talers
The Swiss- 100 Talers- 45,000 men- 55 million talers

Austria-SoFarSoGood/Warman8
France- Franconicus
Ottoman Empire-
Russia- Arjos
England-GreyBlades
Sardinia-Piedmont-
Denmark-
Prussia- Csargo
Spain-
Swiss-

[Greyblades]

Oh dear god what have I gotten myself into...

What were my predicessors thinking? I've read up to chapter 5 and I'm already cringing at how brash liverpool acted.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Just look at the last 3 chapters!!!!

[SoFarSoGood]

Map would be handy. Sorry to be a pain. Also do I act as the Austrian Ambassador in France, Prussia etc etc so just pm the player?

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Map would be handy. Sorry to be a pain. Also do I act as the Austrian Ambassador in France, Prussia etc etc so just pm the player?


Since you are Metternich, you will be in contact with all of the nations. My brother (The Kaiser) has so nicely gave me a map for this. It's 1848 map, not 1842, but the closet we got!

https://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq147/Warman8/CoEMap.jpg

[SoFarSoGood]

Superb! Mein Gott the Empire is vast!

[King Jan III Sobieski]

From the Danish Kingdom:

We are giving warning to the Prussians to not interfere with Schleswig and Holestein. If you want to talk about it, lets have another Congress! If not, then bugger off!

Christian VIII

[King Jan III Sobieski]

I am taking a few days off of work to go to Gettysburg. When I am back there will be hell to pay.

I received reports the Turks are losing control of the military they have and the Poles are going to up rise. Beware eastern Europe!

[Greyblades]

*rubs hands* 1842 Another time yet the same problems, time to root out incompetent generals to put into retirement.

[SoFarSoGood]

Austrian statement:

"His Imperial Majesty Kaiser Ferdinand offers the services of his Ministers in a mediation between Denmark and Prussia over Schleswig Holestein. We do this in interests of peace in Europe. Should a conference take place other interested parties may send observers."

[Arjos]

His Imperial Majesty, Czar Nikolai urges the Balkans to rise up, by the Grace of God, Russia will remove the Turks from Europe. Let all true Christians join this most righteous war!

Czar Nikolai

OoC: can we have any information regarding state funds, debt etc? Or do we all start with zero? Also what about fleets?

[Greyblades]

"One thing that should be noted by any potential Balkland state is that leaving the Ottoman Empire will leave them friendless and alone. It is the opinion of the editor that the only decision such a nation could make is which overlord they prefer: Russian or Austrian."

The Times, 1st January 1842

[SoFarSoGood]

Viennese Courier reports:

"His Imperial Highness Ferdinand l of Austria today signed a Railway Law permitting and encouraging such organisations and constructions and devices in all his domains. By Imperial Edict a company is now listed on the Wiener Börse for the purpose of the construction of Railways: 'Emperor Ferdinand Eastern Railway'. His Imperial Highness owns 20% of the company and has appointed himself temporary Chairman. He wishes it to be known that the Empire is embarking on a full Railway network to unite all it's peoples.

The first planned route is Vienna to Buda and Pest which will be fully engine run. 'Emperor Ferdinand Eastern Railway' Deputy Company Chairman Salomon Mayer von Rothschild invites any and all contractors to apply. Further plans are understood to involve a line north to Prague and south to Venice."

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Kingdom of Denmark:

We agree to have a Congress to discuss the issue between our two nations.


Christian VIII


I'm going to move the deadline up to this Thursday, August 2nd. I hope this speeds things up :)!

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Kingdom of Denmark:

We agree to have a Congress to discuss the issue between our two nations.


Christian VIII


I'm going to move the deadline up to this Thursday, August 2nd. I hope this speeds things up :)!

Navies:
England: 80 SOL's, 15 frigates
France: 38 SOL's, 7 frigates
Russia: 15 SOL's, 18 frigates
Denmark: 8 SOL's, 8 frigates
Spain: 18 SOL's, 4 frigates
Austria: 4 SOL's, 8 frigates
Italy: 2 SOL's, 3 frigates
Prussia: 2 SOL's, 7 frigates



I'll get the prices up in Chapter 2! Enjoy your "free" ships for 1 chapter!

[Arjos]

His Imperial Majesty, Czar Nikolai, wishes to inform Basileus Othon, that He holds at heart a free greek nation. So Russia looks forward any future co-operation to fight the Turks and unite the Greeks!

Czar Nikolai

[King Jan III Sobieski]

His Imperial Majesty, Czar Nikolai, wishes to inform Basileus Othon, that He holds at heart a free greek nation. So Russia looks forward any future co-operation to fight the Turks and unite the Greeks!

Czar Nikolai

So is this a threat of war by Russia?

- Ottoman Empire

[Arjos]

Sultan Abdul Mejid, relinquish your european possessions, acknowledge the Concert's authority in european affairs and friendly relations can ensure, otherwise You will leave Us no choice.

Czar Nikolai

[King Jan III Sobieski]

If I say no, does this mean war?

[Arjos]

It will be war indeed, if His Majesty does not comply.

Czar Nikolai

[Csargo]

Kingdom of Denmark:

We agree to have a Congress to discuss the issue between our two nations.


Christian VIII


I agree to attend a Congress for the Schleswig-Holstein question.

Friedrich Wilhelm IV

[SoFarSoGood]

Could we have some idea of our last years revenues if that is different from our starting money?

[Franconicus]

Etoile De France

His Royal Highness, Louis-Philippe Ier, King of the French, appoints Baptiste Alexis Victor Legrand as Royal Minister for Transportation.
The main task for the new minister is to execute a new Royal Decree, which is called Etoile de France.
Based on already existing or planned programs the French railways will be integrated into a new net.

These lines will soon be available:

From Paris
to Belgium via Lille and Vaenciennes
to England via two ports at the Channel
to Germany via Nancy and Strassbourg
to the Med via Lyon and Marseille
to the Atlantic via Bourges
to the Centre via Bourges

From the Med to the Rhine via Lyon, Dijon and Mulhausen
From the Atlantic to the Med via Bordeaux, Toulouse and Marseille.

These railroad will be build and run by private companies. The state will support the enterprises with 20% of the costs and will hold 20% of the shares in return.
Financiers and engineers from abroad are welcome.

[Franconicus]

Social reforms

His Royal Highness, Louis Phillipe, passes an act to improve the living conditions of all French subjects, esp. of the workers.

Children under the age of 10 years may no longer work in industry.
All children between 5 and 10 years have to visit the Ecole Normale, where they will be taught in reading and writing, calculations, national history and religion. Lessons are free and will be held by former verterans of the French army. The best pupils may go to the Ecole Superior afterwards, where they will learn foreign languages, economy and natural sciences up to the age of 15. Those who pass the final tests there with excellency may go to the Royal Univercity of Sorbonne. All lessons are free.

Responsible for this is the Royal Minister for Educaton Villemain.

All industrial workers as well as their employers will have to pay in equal share in to the labor insurance. This will pay in case of accident, disease or old age.

Administration
All officers in the administration, army or navy will be selected only according their skills, which will be tested during school time. All positions are open for every male person. Only exception is the Royal Guard, which is only for members of the aristocracy.

[Franconicus]

Political Reforms:
France guarantees freedom of opinion for all citizens.
Death sentence for political crimes will be abolished. In the future, political chriminals will be send to the colonies.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Good job with the orders guys! I just need England and Austria and Prussia!

[Franconicus]

1) Is there a deadline?
2) What is up with that disease from the last game? Still raging?
3) And well, I going to send my foreign minister to the conference regarding Schleswig-Holstein. Where is it and how does the master of ceremony wants to handle it?
4) By the way, I am going to have a tech fair next year at the centre of the world (well Paris, of course). Everyone is invited to show the skills of hsi country and to admire the intellectual superiority of France.

[Franconicus]

The Foreign Minitery of the Kingdom France is pleased to announce a military alliance with Prussia and Russia. This HOLY ALLIANCE will guarantee peace, order and welfare all over Europe.

God save the King!

[SoFarSoGood]

Austria will send Metternich to the Congress for the Schleswig-Holstein question.

[Greyblades]

Good job with the orders guys! I just need England and Austria and Prussia!

Sorry about that, but I contracted a severely bad case of flu 5 or so days ago and I am ill as sin. I am not going to be able to put together orders for afew days. Maybe you could do a bit of player recruitment in the mean time?

[Greyblades]

His Imperial Majesty, Czar Nikolai, wishes to inform Basileus Othon, that He holds at heart a free greek nation. So Russia looks forward any future co-operation to fight the Turks and unite the Greeks!

Czar Nikolai

While your intentions may be noble, in theory, Great Britain takes issue with the fact that from what information has been given any war declared on the Ottoman Empire by Russia would be unprovoked due to the fact that there already is a free greek nation. It's called Greece.

As such Great Britain would request that the planned Austrian conference over Schleswig Holestein also hold a conference session over the balkland situation.

Sir Robert Peel.

[Arjos]

When heathens still keep christians under their rule, Greece won't be free. Russia wants to help her orthodox brothers and have Basileus Othon take possession of that land, in order to keep them safe and bringing the Greeks back into the Concert's sphere of influence.

We fail to see what needs to be discussed here and find these philo-saracen tendencies in England, quite disturbing.

Czar Nikolai

[Greyblades]

Cease your reflection, it does not suit you. In the last war you had the chance to end the ottoman occupation of the balklans and you ran away at the first case of siege fever so your conviction to your redundant cause of greek independance is suspect at best. We have no guarentee that you would not simply annex the area and to trust that Russia would respect the soveriegnty of an entire reigion of europe after a war that is certainly going to be costly without so much as a debate would be irresponsable to the extreme.

[Arjos]

Tactical course of actions in russian military operations shouldn't be any of your concerns. We made clear what Our intentions are and a sketch for any partition of the land, so far has been approved by France, Austria and Prussia, although there is no draft of it at the present moment. And frankly we don't think it's necessary so long as the Turks hold it.

We will fully support the Concert's decision on the matter, We also expect to see the parties involved, supplying military aid, properly rewarded and We are sorry to hear such low esteem for the Rossiyskaya Imperiya, by the english monarchy.

Czar Nikolai

[Greyblades]

And there it is. If you are going to conquer; dont waste my time with a half baked mask of redundant ideals.

[Arjos]

We will oversee the area for the time being and later decide on how to proceed in political matters. We resent Your rhetoric, since England has engulfed the globe in wars of conquest and still does. There are Christians under moslem rule, right at Our doorstep, on top of that slavic brethren, this will not be conquest, but liberation.

Czar Nikolai

[King Jan III Sobieski]

If war is necessary, so be it! We will defend ourselves to the end. We call on Austria, England, Italy and any other nation in Europe to step in and put a end to the power hungry state of Russia if they know what's good for their own nation!

-Ottoman Empire

[Greyblades]

We will oversee the area for the time being and later decide on how to proceed in political matters. We resent Your rhetoric, since England has engulfed the globe in wars of conquest and still does. There are Christians under moslem rule, right at Our doorstep, on top of that slavic brethren, this will not be conquest, but liberation.

Czar Nikolai

Enough, the last conqueror to preach of liberty was at least competent in maintaining his lies, if you cared about the slavic people in the Balklans as much as you preach you wouldn't have fled at the first hurdle in your last attempt, as such your conviction rings hollow.

Drop your hypocricy, hold your forces back, attend the conference and state your true intentions to the concert or you will find your next war less one sided as you had wished.

[Arjos]

We stated our intentions publicly, after privately being accepted by three (with Us four) members of the Concert, thus gaining a majority. And followed suit with an ultimatum to the Turks, following the military protocols. Wouldn't We have simply invaded if conquest was Our intention?

As His Majesty is so distrustful there they are:

- Unite catholic and orthodox christians under the respective Empires in the region, following the Carpathians, Balkans and Rhodopes Mountains.
- Help Free Greece win over the subjugated greek communities south of the Balkans.
- Remove the Turks altogether from Europe, unless they accept the Concert's authority.
- Establish free christian cities at the straits, ensuring passage to and from the Black Sea.

As you can see We followed that agenda to the letter and intend to continue.

Czar Nikolai

[Greyblades]

How nice, that isn't the issue, if you had simply invaded the French and Prussians wouldn't have given support. This is little more than a pretense and you are not convincing anyone otherwise.

I want written assurances that you won't control any part of the Balkans or Turkey after the fact; no annexations, no protectorates, the Balkans must become free autonomous christian states free of any obligation to anyone but themselves. The Ottoman mainland must be left alone. I also want written assurances from the other members of the Concert that they will enforce the conditions I supplied with millitary force should Russia take any territory in the Balkans. Finally I want those assurances written and sealed at the Schleswig and Holestein congress with the Danes as witness.

Those are my terms. If you truly are devoted to this cause of yours, you won't have a problem abiding with them. Agree and Great Britain will not become involved, do not agree, or break your promises and I'll make sure your Balkan campaign become more of a catastophy than Napoleon's reign.

[Arjos]

We didn't ask for their active intervention and they accepted, even proposed, that reasonable territorial partition. All We can see is a british obstruction to the Concert's agreement.

Czar Nikolai

[Greyblades]

A concert agreement carried out behind closed doors, at least one vote bought with promises of land, this I know. Do not try my patience sir, the only obstruction here is yourself, your deflections are tiring and evading the point shows poor conviction. If you cannot agree to such leinient terms then it is clear that your support for the greek people is merely for an oppertunity to take turkish land.

[Arjos]

There are no Greeks north of the Balkans Mountains and We will provide aid to Basileus Othon in the south aswell.
That was an agreement, started from public announcements and of course it isn't official as that land is not under the Concert's rule. When the war will end and should We succeed, We will call and demand a congress to define the borders and whether new states should arise. Then Her Majesty, will be able to present Her case to the Concert.

Czar Nikolai

[Franconicus]

We urge all parties to look for a peaceful agreement. There is no use in fighting each others. For France, it is no doubt that the people of the Balkans have to be freed from the Turks and that the straits have to stay open for all nations.
However, France has no intention to get involved into this conflict. We will only step in if our trade is hindered or if the straits are blocked.

France showed in the passed, that we will fight liberal tendencies at our neighbors. We are willing to use military forces if necessary, as we did at Spain, but we have no imperial intentions, see Spain.

[Greyblades]

We urge all parties to look for a peaceful agreement. There is no use in fighting each others. For France, it is no doubt that the people of the Balkans have to be freed from the Turks and that the straits have to stay open for all nations.
However, France has no intention to get involved into this conflict. We will only step in if our trade is hindered or if the straits are blocked.

France showed in the passed, that we will fight liberal tendencies at our neighbors. We are willing to use military forces if necessary, as we did at Spain, but we have no imperial intentions, see Spain.

Didnt that end in several decades of war?

[SoFarSoGood]

We made clear what Our intentions are and a sketch for any partition of the land, so far has been approved by France, Austria and Prussia, although there is no draft of it at the present moment.Czar Nikolai

Perhaps the Czar would care to publish this map for England and all to see?

On several areas this is troubling:

1. The 'partition' is agreed between Russia, France and Prussia. Are there not five great powers?

2. The 'Holy Alliance' it is claimed "will guarantee peace, order and welfare all over Europe" but now it is revealed that some 'partition' which two of the powers are not informed of is already agreed. Do partitions come peacefully? Not in our experience.

3. Austria openly admits to having spoken to the Czar regarding his Balkan plans during which he presented us with a map which we agreed in theory. We also commended to the Czar an International Conference... Since the map he showed us was agreed in principle we wonder why he has felt it necessary to privately agree a partition with France and Prussia without having the International Conference as we commended. Could the two maps be different?

4. Since the King of the French says he will not play any part in any Balkan actions but Austria has been asked to by the Czar why is not Austria invited to the 'Holy Alliance'? Presumably the partition agreed between Russia, Prussia and France must involve regions of Europe as well. Otherwise why is France opinion asked but not Austria nor England? Could it be that the extra 'partitions' involve Schleswig - Holestein?

Gentlemen Austria urges extreme caution on ALL Powers. We support England's call for a Conference that covers both Schleswig - Holestein and agrees any Balkans map should the Concert agree to action in this theatre. It is clear that should England wish to deny the Straits to Christian nations (by which we mean principally Russia) it is within her and Turkish power to do so. The Russian desire for control of the Straits is no longer realisable. Nor will Austria permit any 'secret partitions' within Europe that are not agreed by ALL powers.

We therefore urge all nations to restrain their words and actions and send such delegations as you think necessary to Praha (Prague) as soon as possible where we can convene two working committees; one on Schleswig - Holestein question and one on the Balkan question. We see this as a chance for transparency and real peace in Europe as well as resolution of the 'Turkish problem'.

[Arjos]

As We said, nothing is official, as there's no land to split, but just the same sketch that We sent enclosed to Our missive to Metternich. So long as the area is under turkish rule, there's no point in discussing it (just like the Kaiser noted).
Also, We didn't "ask", but informed His Imperial Majesty, that it wasn't Our intention to operate in the land west of the Carpathians and that co-operation would be welcomed.

As far as We are concerned, the Balkan situation is to be resolved: the Sultan denied the Concert's authority and Russia will intervene. Any partition will be discussed at the end of the war.

Czar Nikolai

[SoFarSoGood]

His Imperial Highness Ferdinand Announces:

A Grand Fair

Trade Fair Venue: Schonbrunn palace and grounds; http://www.french-engravings.com/old-prints-antique-engravings/Schonbrunn_3c23-en.html Extra tents may be required.

Open invitation 1842 and replies must be in December 1st 1842. Fair to take place June 1st - 30th 1843. Applicants must state which category they wish to compete in and how much space/open land they may require. A general description of their display and it's purpose will be well received.

Four Categories: Art and Culture (Music hosted in the Musikverein)

Military machines, new cannons, muskets, rifles and balloons (demonstrations in the Schonbrunn Tiergarten)

Industrial Machines, steam engines and factory innovations.

Trade fair: Any company wishing to sell it's good. Food, wine, gas lighting, medicines, books etc etc

A panel of Judges (one from each nation wishing to take part) will award prizes in each category and an overall winner.

All Europe is invited to attend (though due to space restrictions we may reject some applications). Let European commerce and trade and the wealth of all our nations in peace be our aim!

We understand that our brother France would like to make this a yearly affair and fully support the holding of another Fair in France in 1844.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Good job guys, the chapter will be written next week once I get England's orders!

[Greyblades]

That might take a while, still trying to figure out how to one up Franconicus' child labour reforms.

[Franconicus]

Gentlemen,

please calm down.
France, having no egoistic interests in the Balkans nor in the SW-conflict exchanged notes with all other four of the big five to exchange thoughts and ideas about the current problems. In these exchanges, the French Foreign Minister pointed out the need to divide the Balkans between Austria and Russia for a period of maybe five years. There have not been any maps or so. We think that this is not only alright, but essential to prepare an agreement of the five. Our diplomacy does not replace the decision f the orchestra, but is trying to prepare it. Therefore I assume that our agents should meet and come to a plan, before more damage is done.

[Franconicus]

All over France newspapers publish extra articles about the policy of the King. King Louis-Phillippe is seen as the political leader of Europe. Unlike Napoleon, he does not want to draw down other countries, but create a lasting peace all over the world. The Holy Alliance is regarded to guarantee this.
Further more the papers point at the benefits of his economical policy. While Napoleon wasted all resources for his fruitless wars, the King fosters the economy. The railroad program, for example, will give good jobs to tenthousands and will boost economy all over the country.
Most impressing, yet, is the good heart of the monarch. He cares for the worker with his social reforms, especially for the children.
The Figaro writes: France is looking forward to a bright and peaceful future. Long live the King!

[SoFarSoGood]

Vienna Telegraph reports: "Steam Locomotive Deal Signed with England

It is understood from senior Management sources within the Emperor Ferdinand Eastern Railways Ltd that upto 15 of the newest design locomotives will be delivered to operate on the line now being prepared between Vienna and Budapest. Deputy Chairman Salomon Mayer von Rothschild has assured his Imperial Highness that this contract will not interfere with the companies own research on these devices while protecting the English patent of their machines. It is understood that a subsidiary company will be listed on the listed on the London Stock Exchange for all to benefit from this lucrative contract. Rothschild commented: "We had an option for the best. We took it." When questioned about controversial reported forced purchases of land on what may be a routes to Prague and Venice he replied "Railways are expensive, the longer they are the more expensive. The Company has a compensation fund and will be providing new housing for any families that may be displaced. The Empire is leaping into the future with the English contract and will have the best of the best. At the same time we shall take consideration of those who may lose. This is a major step forward."

[Franconicus]

His Royal Majesty, Louis-Phillippe, King of the French, moves to Verseilles to spend there for two weeks to relax and to think about further steps to grow the happiness of His people. Along with him are his ministers.

I will be back in two weeks. Happy holidays to all of you!

[Arjos]

Forgot to post this earlier, but here (http://geacron.com/en/?v=m&lang=en&z=3&x=21.269534066272&y=45.578675259632&nd=-1&d=&di=1842&tm=p&ly=yyyy&fi=1&ff=100)'s an interactive world map (already linked to 1842).

[Greyblades]

Hrm... according to that I still have canada.

[SoFarSoGood]

Also gives us Belgrade...

I assume all have posted their orders in... When can we expect an update?

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Also gives us Belgrade...

I assume all have posted their orders in... When can we expect an update?

Thursday. Sorry for the delay! I am almost done with it!

[SoFarSoGood]

Dun dun DAH!

[SoFarSoGood]

Hrm... according to that I still have canada.

You should have Canada.

[Greyblades]

Should, but my predecessor gave it to the americans.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

It will be up in a few hours!

[King Jan III Sobieski]

OOC: At the ending of every year, conflict or not, if you wish to hand out awards to your generals, please do so! Award ceremonies will happen at the March of each new chapter in the capital of your lands. Also, state if you going to the Vienna Grand Fair and if you sending someone to attend the Danish-Prussian conference.




Chapter 1 :
The beginnings (1/1/1842-12/31/1842)

Main events:

Europe is becoming a very hectic place nowadays. The weather throughout Europe is doing well and crops this year are not failing, so farmers have slightly more food on hand to sell then before.


Mostly the action is now taking place in Central/Eastern Europe with the Ottoman/Balkan question. The Ottoman Empire and Russia has been feuding the past few months over the Ottoman Empire refusal to recognize the Concert's Authority among other things. Talks broke down. There was rumors of a secret deal between Austria and Russia to split up the Turkish Empire. Then the Russians made a alliance with other nations, thus making the Turks even more afraid.

The Turks, while they are almost broke, was narrowly able to raise a army of 75,000 (45,000 regulars and 35,000 conspircts) under the command of Omar Pasha, a former solider of Austria. Many of these soldiers are loyal to the Sultan but some come from the governors of the Turkish controlled lands and some of them only listen to their regimental commanders, thus, may lead to some problems.

6555

A invasion of Moldavia occurred with 30,000 men from Russia under the command of Baryatinsky. They swept down into Moldavia without to many problems, catching the Turks initially off guard, their allies the Austrians, who mobilized 150,000 men at the last moment, of which 2,500 of them are Swiss foreign troops, are called to Hungary. General Warman marches into Serbia with 50,000 men and 125 cannons to occupy land. But there is something strange going on, a lack of commutation perhaps or something!? General Warman marches around Sarajevo and the troops, only 10,000 Turks, let them in. General Warman decamps and stays put with his supplies, awaiting new orders from Vienna. General Dafour, commanding 2,500 Swiss soldiers reach Belgrade before the main Austrian army of 30,000 men does. There is also suprpsing a small 1,000 man force of Russians there, marched there without orders from the Tzar (600 Cossacks and 400 light inf). They wait for them, under the command of the Archduke Charles who is elderly at this point. The messenger never reach the town saying the Austrians were suppose to occupy the town, so the garrison of 5,800 men shuts the gates and opens fire. The Austrians over the days deploy their 100 cannons, of which only 15 are siege worthy, and battle down only 3 breaches in the walls. However, the Austrians attack. ADC watches from afar with Warman's friend the Croat Josiep Banaic leads a bridge forward against breach #1 (I.R 3 Austrian regiment and a hastly formed I.R 82 Croat Grenzer regiment, 5,000 men total) in a mass formation. Another officer leads 2,500 against breach #2 + the 400 light Russian troops while the Cossacks join in looting the city later. and General Dafour leads his 2,500 Swiss troops and 5,000 Austrians against the last breach, the rest of the troops firing into the town from all sides. The Turks get 300 citizens to help join the fight, bringing their numbers to 6,100 men. 3,000 are station at breach #1, 1,000 at Breach #2, 800 at Breach #3 and the rest thoughout the town. The Austrians in Breach #1 suffer heavily but make it to the walls and bayonet fighting begins. Same happens with the other breaches. Finally, General Dafour's men surge into the town. They are the first ones in and they begin to outflank the other breaches. However, they are stop by soliders coming from other parts of the town. 12 hours go by and on April 16th, 1842, the town falls to the Austrians. The Battle of Belgrade is over. The Turkish Commander is killed during the fighting. ADC names himself as military governor until the Kaiser/Metternich has time to speak to the Sultan about this. Overall the Austrians lost 4,000 men KIA,WIA and missing. Awards will be handing out later according to ADC in Vienna. The city was looted by the Cossacks but the Austrian stop them.

The Battle of Belgrade:

Losses:

Austria- 4,000
2,823 KIA
1,000 WIA
177 Missing

(500 from illness dead)

Russians: 283
145 killed
47 wounded
91 missing

The Turks: 6,000 ( 5,500 troops s well as 500 citizens)
3,825 killed
1,250 wounded
925 captured

Result: Austrian/Russian Tactical Victory

The Austrians get the city and start repairing it's defenses again ASAP.


The Russian army marches into Moldavia and suddenly faces at the capital a army of 75,000 Turks. They race back to get reinforcements but it is to late. They are surrounded 5 miles away from the city.

The Battle of Isai May 1st,1842:

The Russian commander realizes he is in deep trouble. He lines up his man, mostly light foot and some grendaries to attack and force a way out. That night they did. With 5,000 men as a rearguard they surge forward against 30,000 Turks station in their rear. They was caught off guard and the Russians was able to far back with the Turks in hot purist. The 5,000 men was unable to extract themselves however and was cut off from the main force. Hearing about Belgrade, Russian troops were confused but the Turks were angry. They killed all 5,000 Russian troops but at high costs. The remaining Russian army of 15,000 men stations themselves at the border. At this point, Russian Armies are starting to form, as per the Tzar's orders and 100,000 Russians rush to that border alone. The Turks decided to start building trenches around Isai and the border with Russia and do so. They are not good trenches, but are armed with mid-size cannons, formidable frontally. Losses were high on both sides.


Battle of Isai June 1st-3rd 1842:

Russians:
7,000 men
6,100 men KIA
781 wounded
119 Missing
Commander was wounded but lives

(1,000 men killed from illness in campaign. )

Turks:

12,500 men
7,553 men killed
3,000 men wounded
1,000 men captured
947 men missing


(3,000 men killed from illness in campaign. )

Result: Tactical Turkish Victory, Strategic inconclusive.










Assault on Balar Hissar:

General William Elphinstone and 30,000 troops are about to leave the Afghan lands. The forces are mostly Indian but there is a good number of native English troops here. The remaining 10,000 British troops join them, bringing the numbers to 40,000. Balar Hissar is the goal of the army before they leave. The fortress is guarded by 5,000 Afghans. The British launch a assault on it on the 2nd of July 1842. However, it is a massive stone fortress and the British only have 50 cannons. They pound away and wait for night. They assault though 2 breaches by fail to realize 10,000 guriella fighters about to flank them. General Elphinstone runs though the 1st breach with hundreds of men behind him. Fierce fighting breaks out and the defenders are getting wiped out until the outside force attacks. The British rearguard of 300 men is destroyed and the British are getting massacred until they start forming squares. Their Bengal lancers come in and chase off the outside force after a bloody fight. On July 3rd 1842 the fortress is the British. General William is killed hours before the battle was over, shot to the head at close range by the Afghan commander, who was killed immentaly afterwards. Losses were high.


British losses;
General Elphinstone KIA
3,000 men KIA
2,300 WIA
400 MIA
700 Sick

Afghan Losses:
8,000 men killed
2,373 wounded
2,500 captured


Result: British Tactical Victory, Slightly Strategic victory for the British





Elsewhere around the world:

Russia:

They was sending 59,000 men to the Baltic Sea to guard the defense. They are also sending 150,000 men to the Black Sea for costal defenses. The field hospital saved a lot of lives so far in the regular campaign. There was still deaths but not to many though from illness.

They are abolishing serfdom, much to the joy of the serfs but the nobles are very angry. Land is now split up and they all have to pay taxes. The serfs are happy they are free, but wonder if it was worth it now with taxes. Some nobles are starting up their own factories though, thus giving people jobs. New railroads are being built putting a ton of people to work and slowly making Russia modernize. France and Russia now have a defensive alliance in place. General Jomini is helping modernize and train a massive 500,000 men and is compiling a report to the Tzar.

Poland now has local autonomy and will be able to elect their own Duke. No Taxes but must provide troops to the Tzar. They are help for this, but want more independence. All the Russian troops leave however but remain position on the border.

Rumors have it that 150,000 men are ready to invade the Ottoman Empire + the 15,000 men left from the 1st attempt at guerrilla warfare (which is still ongoing) and the conventional warfare.

The nation still need to be modernize more however.



Austria and England:

Both these nations decide to make a railroad company together. One company will be called Okeanus Rail company and the other London Vienna Railroad. The Austrians will own at least 25% of it. Work is beginning on this in both nations. Austria is also building railroads all over the Empire and will cost millions for them. They put down enough to get the project started. Vienna to Budapest line should be done first.

The British auction off some battleships according to the newspapers. According to it a Turkish looking man built a number of it. Rumors has it the ships may have contain other weapons as well.

10 frigates are being built for the British navy. 15 SOL's are in the Med to protect British interest there with the conflict going on.

The Afghan-Anglo War has ended with a Pro-British ruler installed. The forces remaining are sent back to India. The Opium war has ended as well. The Danes will be able to stay along with the British who are seeking 20 million in damages from them and will probably get it in 2 years time.

Children under 10 years old will be prohibited from working in any form of manual labour. The state will start construction of several schools in each city which will be funded by the state, the Anglican church will be encouraged to provide educational services of their own. These are just some of the social reforms the British are doing.

The Austrians are upgrading their Italian forts, much to the chagrin of the Italians. Revolts are starting to occur and slightly worry the younger commanders, but not Radtzesky though.

There will be a Grand Fair in Vienna in 1843 and all nations are invited. Open invitation sent published 1842 and replies must be in December 1st 1842. Fair to take place June 1st - 30th 1843. Applicants must state which category they wish to compete in and how much space/open land they may require. A general description of their display and it's purpose will be well received.


Four Categories: Art and Culture (Music hosted in the Musikverein)

Military machines, new cannons, muskets, rifles and balloons (demonstrations in the Schonbrunn Tiergarten)

Industrial Machines, steam engines and factory innovations.

Trade fair: Any company wishing to sell it's good. Food, wine, gas lighting, medicines, books etc etc

The Austrians are trying to improve the training of their military and are offering German to all regiments. They are putting money into new cannons and rifles as well.


France:

The General Staff is coming up with different plans in case of them having to intervene or invasion.

70,000 troops were laid off. Most of them got job in the new railroads that are being built from Paris to Touloun and so on. Even in the new food factories that are being built.

Army engineers are building stuff for the French army. Goals are to develop breech loading needle guns for infantry and cavalry as well as breech loaded rifled cannons for the artillery and to prepare industrial production.

Unused farm lands are going to the poor.
Food is low but not that low. The factories should really help increase food presuming there is no famines or wars with France.
Lyon is getting massive fortresses built here and the palaces are being guarded by elite troops.

Prussia:

They are introducing the draft again for all able body males. Capitalists and investors throughout Prussia to invest more money into the development of railroads and factories to be established all across Prussia. Any companies that are established or created for these two purposes with receive government stipends of 40,000 talers a year for a maximum of 5 years time. With a limit of up to 100 businesses. These are some of the economic things Prussia is doing.

Spain is OK for now, riots are happening, but not now! Denmark and Prussia will meet in 1843 to discuss the problem with their lands.

[Arjos]

OoC: thank you for the chapter! ^^

[SoFarSoGood]

Superb! The Kaiser announces that Te Deums will be sung in all Churches of the Empire to thank the Lord for the glorious Austrian and Russian victories.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVCZbyP2Wj8

[Arjos]

OoC: also quick question, says I lost 8,283 men, but later says there are only 15,000 soldiers left. Shouldn't it be 21,717? Or like the 5,000 mentioned aren't counted in the battle stats?

[King Jan III Sobieski]

OoC: also quick question, says I lost 8,283 men, but later says there are only 15,000 soldiers left. Shouldn't it be 21,717? Or like the 5,000 mentioned aren't counted in the battle stats?


Yes, my mistake!

[SoFarSoGood]

"150,000 men are ready to invade the Ottoman Empire + the 15,000 men left from the 1st attempt at guerrilla warfare (which is still ongoing) and the conventional warfare." Could you clarify if these are irregulars/guerillas or Imperial (Austrian or Russian) please?

[King Jan III Sobieski]

"150,000 men are ready to invade the Ottoman Empire + the 15,000 men left from the 1st attempt at guerrilla warfare (which is still ongoing) and the conventional warfare." Could you clarify if these are irregulars/guerillas or Imperial (Austrian or Russian) please?

Russian and a mix.

[Arjos]

Russia will attend the Danish-Prussian conference, Admiral Yevfimy Putyatin will be His Imperial Majesty's emissary.

Also Russia will compete in the Military Machines category at the Viennese Grand Fair: Lieutenant General of artillery Konstantin Konstantinov, will require a space of at least 6 km radius. He will present his achievements in rocketry and measurement of projectiles' flight speed.

OoC: Jan, as for diplomacy with NPCs nations, should we send you PMs or just send our messages in the orders PM?

[SoFarSoGood]

Where are 10,000 Turkish troops from Sarejevo? Have they moved south or are they still the in the area?

[Franconicus]

I am back!

OOC:
1) Do we have alreday new numbers, income, military, cost for ships etc?
2) How are casualties handled? For example, if I would loose about 10,000 men in combat. Can I simply order 10,000 new ones. Does it cost extra money. Does it take time to train them? Is there a penalty on experience?

[Franconicus]

His Royal Majesty is back and condamns the violance on the Balkans. You should all follow His example and relax in the sun - instead of spreading blood.
We urge all partues to stop fighting. We also urge the Conference to get together to decide about the future of the Balkans. And the Ottomans to follow this decision. Further more We demand to English to stop their support fot the Turks. Her weapons will be used against soldiers of the Big Five - that is hardly acceptable.

We warn all parties to desturb the trade on the Eastern Med. France will do everything that is necessary to protect free trade there.

[Greyblades]

Her weapons will be used against soldiers of the Big Five - that is hardly acceptable. Nor is Russia's war, yet I see france merely urges a ceasefire, to make demands of my government to stop supplying a valuable trading partner while being so lenient to blatant conquest strikes me as questionable. The concert was formed to stop wars of conquest in europe, was it not?

As I said:

I want written assurances that Russia won't control any part of the Balkans or Turkey after the fact; no annexations, no protectorates, the Balkans must become free autonomous christian states free of any obligation to anyone but themselves. The Ottoman mainland must be left alone. I also want written assurances from the other members of the Concert that they will enforce the conditions I supplied with millitary force should Russia take any territory in the Balkans. Finally I want those assurances written and sealed at the Schleswig and Holestein congress with the Danes as witness.

These are not unfair terms and from what they have said I see no legitimate reason russia would take issue with it. If russia accepts I will relent.

[Franconicus]

France does not agree with the English position. Keeping the Balkans to the Turks is unacceptable. The Turks will not be able to stop the ambitions of Nationalists, Seperatists. The Turks are simply too week for it and I do not see any good if the concert tries to help the Turks keeping the rule over Christian people.
On the other hand, a retreat of the Turks with the formation of new national states is not an option as well. New national states would only fire nationalism all over Europe and the Balkans would still be a place of trouble.
Even though France is not glad to say this - and does not follow any egoistic goals - We have to say that there has to be a strong power to control the Balkans and to guarantee order. France understands the concerns of England very well, but We thing that dividing the Balkans would create a stable balance on the Balkans.
Therefore, France supports Austira and Russia. However, it wishes that the war is stopped until there is a mandate from the concert. Further more all of the Big Five should urge the Turks to leave the Balkans. The Turks cannot win and a defeat will weaken their position at Asia Minor, which is not in the interest of the concert.
We think - and propably England agrees - that Konstantinople and the Straits are the most sensible issue here. The status quo should not be touched without a decision of the concert - and in this case We think all of the five will have to agree.

[Arjos]

Russia warned the Sultan to leave the Balkans and recognize the Concert's authority, but was refused. As We see it, the ram has touched the wall, We could wait for an official mandate, but We have tactical concerns: delaying any further will only help the Turks and prolong the war.
The Straits under islamic rule are untollerable, the most sacred ground of Constantinople must be christian. We understand their economical and strategical importance, so We desire to set a network of Free Cities there, under the Concert's protection.

Czar Nikolai

[SoFarSoGood]

Gentlemen it seems to me, perhaps naively, that the positions of all you three are NOT so far apart:

France: "Keeping the Balkans to the Turks is unacceptable"

England: "I want written assurances that Russia won't control any part of the Balkans or Turkey after the fact"

Russia: "Sultan to leave the Balkans"

Presumably Europe is not "the Ottoman mainland" which "must be left alone" and nor can that truly be said of Constantinople. So in fact all of you tacitly accept an Ottoman withdrawal from the Balkans.

The question of what happens to the Balkan lands once the Turks have given them up seems to be the main difference with France arguing that "New national states would only fire nationalism all over Europe" while England demands "the Balkans must become free autonomous christian states free of any obligation to anyone but themselves". With all due respect though Gentlemen isn't a decision about the future of the Balkan states should the Turks withdraw... premature? You are fighting over a cake which has not been cooked.

The Kaiser has, perhaps temporarily, occupied Belgrade and Sarajevo. We are willing to await the Concerts agreement on larger matters but as long as these areas are in our care we insist that we retain the right to take any such actions as we deem necessary to maintain public order.

[Greyblades]

The way I see it russia's stated motiviation is a blatant falacy, the Tzar's conviction is fake simply for the fact that the last time he tried he ran away the second he approached the city walls, the mask of conviction he currently totes would not ever have allowed such an act. I do not trust them to act in the interests of the christians in the balklans and I see thier actions as little more than european conquest, something we formed the concert to stop. Now if the rest of the concert is so hell bent on removing the turks that is fine by me but to just replace the ottoman empire with the russian empire is unacceptable and france's insistance that I should let it happen unopposed is a damned insult.

Trust is earned gentlemen, and Russia lost mine in thier retreat from instanbul 20 years ago. I will not allow the balkans to be owned by such an empire and I do not trust Russia to not simply occupy the area and call it thiers, nor do I trust this "holy alliance" to act in opposition to should such happen without binding agreement. Greece worked out, the precident indicates that balkan states will work, I dont know about you but a promise is a small price to pay for the free straits.

[SoFarSoGood]

Russia has said "We desire to set a network of Free Cities there, under the Concert's protection." Is it that you just don't trust this Russian commitment?

[Greyblades]

That and I doubt that they will let them become free cities once they are occupied, I have no reason to trust anything they have to say on this issue and from comparing what I've heard from with what I have actually seen I expect Russia to occupy the balkans and declare them annexed if left unchecked by the threat of war with the concert, god knows it would take all four other members to shift them once dug in and that is not counting my doubts that my fellow concert members will so much as raise a finger against a fellow "Holy ally".

[Franconicus]

French newspaper quote English politicians: "france's insistance that I should let it happen unopposed is a damned insult. "
As a consequence of the public pressure the French Foreign Minister calls back the ambassader from London for consultations. The French ambassader is asked to explain the quotation.

[Greyblades]

OOC: Hrm, maybe that bit was a bit much, but still to sit back and let this happen requires trust and you lot dont have it, and to suggest I should do so without some form of insurance is absurd.

[Franconicus]

Let us summarize:

1) It is unacceptable, that the Turks keep the Balkans
2) It is unacceptable that there will be new national states
3) It is unacceptable, that Russia (and Austria?) get control over the Balkans.

Maybe this proposal could get the positions closer:
1) All guarantee the independency of Greece (should not be hard and then there would be at least one factor of stability)
2) Austria and Russia get the mandate to occupy the Balkans.
3) Konstantinopel gets a neutral status. It gets an autonom government and a garrison from neutral states (England, Prussia and France, 1/3 each).The stratits will remain open.
4) The concert guarantees the realm of the Turks on Asia Minor.

[Greyblades]

2) Austria and Russia get the mandate to occupy the Balkans.
Specify occupy please: how long and what happens after.

[SoFarSoGood]

Firstly there are five powers in the Concert. What are the views of Prussia?

Secondly France and England argue over regions that are, for the most part, in the Sultans possession. Do you suppose that the Sultan is inclined to vacate them peacefully? If not presumably you expect Russian and Austrian lives to be lost so that you can debate potential futures of regions which are now in the Sultans domain. With Turkish entrenchment in Iasi, Bucharest and Sofia many Russian lives will thrown away in a contest the result of which is by no means clear.

If it is the Concerts will that the Sultan depart these lands you will ask Austria and Russia to carry out your will. Austria will consider such a request if and when it is made but may ask for guarantees on Shleswig - Holstein and Saxony. Should this be the Concerts will who will pay the costs? If Austria and Russia were to carry the costs alone should we not be compensated in some way? Will you pay us to carry out your wishes?

Gentlemen you are arguing over 'maybes' and 'ifs'. Nor is within the power of France or England to deliver these things - should you deem them desirable. If you decide that this is what you want you should perhaps ask the Sultan first and then make a formal proposal to the Kaiser and Czar.

[SoFarSoGood]

As regards Belgrade and Sarajevo, which are currently under the Kaiser protection, may I remind you that there are "15,000 men left from the 1st attempt at guerrilla warfare (which is still ongoing)" some of which are in these regions. It is nobody's interests to have 'irregulars' disturbing civil harmony and trade so we reserve the right to act to bring about peace and order in the interests of the local population while they remain under the Kaisers protection.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Deadline is next Saturday!

Some quick info. Italy supports some sort of partition and the Ottomans are sending another 35,000 men to this theater, mostly recruits however. Riots are breaking out over the Turkish Empire and their capital is being fortify with their best troops.

[SoFarSoGood]

Where are 10,000 Turkish troops from Sarejevo? Have they moved south or are they still the in the area?

[Arjos]

It is nobody's interests to have 'irregulars' disturbing civil harmony and trade so we reserve the right to act to bring about peace and order in the interests of the local population while they remain under the Kaisers protection.

Those men are Russians soldiers sent to disrupt the turkish supply lines etc, surely there's no need to shoot eachother :P
They will redirect their efforts with the main army joining in anyway...


OoC: Jan, as for diplomacy with NPCs nations, should we send you PMs or just send our messages in the orders PM?


OOC:
1) Do we have alreday new numbers, income, military, cost for ships etc?
2) How are casualties handled? For example, if I would loose about 10,000 men in combat. Can I simply order 10,000 new ones. Does it cost extra money. Does it take time to train them? Is there a penalty on experience?

Could we please get answers to these questions too?

[SoFarSoGood]

I was referring to the "15,000 men left from the 1st attempt at guerrilla warfare (which is still ongoing)". Your Cossack looters are currently in the Belgrade jail as we were told they had "marched there without orders from the Tzar". Looters acting without or against orders are looters and will not be tolerated.

[Franconicus]

"Specify occupy please: how long and what happens after."

Make a proposal!

Do we get more numbers (money etc?)

[Greyblades]

Firstly there are five powers in the Concert. What are the views of Prussia?

Secondly France and England argue over regions that are, for the most part, in the Sultans possession. Do you suppose that the Sultan is inclined to vacate them peacefully? If not presumably you expect Russian and Austrian lives to be lost so that you can debate potential futures of regions which are now in the Sultans domain. With Turkish entrenchment in Iasi, Bucharest and Sofia many Russian lives will thrown away in a contest the result of which is by no means clear.

If it is the Concerts will that the Sultan depart these lands you will ask Austria and Russia to carry out your will. Austria will consider such a request if and when it is made but may ask for guarantees on Shleswig - Holstein and Saxony. Should this be the Concerts will who will pay the costs? If Austria and Russia were to carry the costs alone should we not be compensated in some way? Will you pay us to carry out your wishes?

Gentlemen you are arguing over 'maybes' and 'ifs'. Nor is within the power of France or England to deliver these things - should you deem them desirable. If you decide that this is what you want you should perhaps ask the Sultan first and then make a formal proposal to the Kaiser and Czar.

To be frank, none of that is not my problem, I dislike the area being in ottoman hands but it is not in the people's interest to see the people trade one empire for another of even less repute and I will oppose any such action, if France, Prussia, Ausria and Russia want the balkans out of ottoman hands they will have to accept the region's self governence and thier independance under the protection of the concert or you will have to win your war with Britain supporting the Ottomans. Make the balkans protectorates of the concert if you wish but I will not see the area become just another russian province.

[Franconicus]

We are shocked by the words from London. Maybe just a mistranslation, we assume.
It is not the people's choice, which government they have. We all fought against this idea some years ago.

[SoFarSoGood]

We heartily agree with our English friends; we have no desire to see the Balkans become "just another russian province". The problem is that the English distrust of Russia may stop the fulfillment of the 'free Balkans' that England wishes to see and leave it in Ottoman hands. For our part we invite English, French and Prussian observers to Belgrade and/or Sarajevo where we shall lift military rule as soon as possible.

[Arjos]

I was referring to the "15,000 men left from the 1st attempt at guerrilla warfare (which is still ongoing)". Your Cossack looters are currently in the Belgrade jail as we were told they had "marched there without orders from the Tzar". Looters acting without or against orders are looters and will not be tolerated.

Of course, but those 15.000 men (which actually are 21.000+) aren't looters, but Baryatinsky's men :)

[SoFarSoGood]

They are "Russian and a mix". Of the 'mix' we speak.

[Franconicus]

We would need Austria and Russia to conquer and occupy these areas anyway.
In our view it is mandatory not to found new national states. Maybe we could find a solution like we used at Greece:
For a period of five years, there should be one part of the Balkans under the government of the Austrian Kaiser, another one under The Czar. However, they will not be part of Austria or Russia. Like Poland today.
After five years, the two monarch give the throne to one of their children, but not to their heir. These new monarch can rule, but the realms may never be united with the motherland. Konstatinopel gets under mandate of France, Prussia and England.

[Arjos]

After five years, the two monarch give the throne to one of their children, but not to their heir.

And gain succession crisis? No, thank you...

[SoFarSoGood]

"Konstatinopel gets under mandate of France, Prussia and England" Russian and Austrian lives are lost for France and others to dictate terms to the Sultan? Surely some mistake.

[Greyblades]

I don't suppose we could dig up as many of the old royal families from the days when the area was not under ottoman control as we can and give them thier countries back?

[SoFarSoGood]

A Byzantine Emperor?

[Greyblades]

It's probably too much to hope John VII Palaiologos had a bastard or two.

[Arjos]

If Britain is so overtaken by old dynasties, We suggest it could start with Scotland, Wales and Ireland...
As for Constantinopolis, the Czar was under the impression that a free city wouldn't be under anyone's mandate, but the citizens' own.

[SoFarSoGood]

You are still arguing lands over which the Concert as yet has no say. For Russia to overcome Iasi, Bucharest and Sofia, is not a 'given'.

[Greyblades]

As for Constantinopolis, the Czar was under the impression that a free city wouldn't be under anyone's mandate, but the citizens' own.


Didnt you hear the franch ambassador?


It is not the people's choice, which government they have. We all fought against this idea some years ago.

A byzantine emperor would be the perfect way to keep the balkans together; the security of a dynasty with legitamate claim and with the power of the concert behind it we have a chance of keeping the balkans Christian and together while minimizing any anti-monarch ideas. I'm sure we could find one or two nobles in europe who can trace thier lineage to one of the byzantine emperors immediate family.

[SoFarSoGood]

Official Proclamation

Following the Battle of Belgrade his Imperial Majesty the Kaiser awards the following medals:

Archduke Charles: Knight Commanders Cross of the MTO

General Warman: Military order of Maria Thersia, Knight's Cross of the MTO

General Dafour: Cross for Military Merit, III class

ADC Josiep Banaic: Golden Cross of Merit with Crown

We await Commanders reports for other awards. Families who lost loved sons or fathers can expect compensation.

General Warman is ordered to Belgrade with sufficient troops to impose and maintain order and Count Karl Ludwig von Ficquelmont is ordered to the Belgrade to oversee the transfer to a civilian administration with the local authorities.

[SoFarSoGood]

Out of interest: One legitimate claimant would be the Georgian line of Palaiologos family. They are the Bagrationi family and in 1843 in Russia.

[Greyblades]

Hrm I found this (http://my.raex.com/~obsidian/pretends.html#Byzantine), seems to indicate the Prussian and austrian monarchies have claims.

[SoFarSoGood]

No doubt any number of claims could be put forward but the only one that matters, so far as some are concerned, is the Ottoman claim by right of conquest which has been accepted for nearly 400 years.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

I am working on the numbers now. More to come!

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Official Proclamation

Following the Battle of Belgrade his Imperial Majesty the Kaiser awards the following medals:

Archduke Charles: Knight Commanders Cross of the MTO

General Warman: Military order of Maria Thersia, Knight's Cross of the MTO

General Dafour: Cross for Military Merit, III class

ADC Josiep Banaic: Golden Cross of Merit with Crown

We await Commanders reports for other awards. Families who lost loved sons or fathers can expect compensation.



General Warman is ordered to Belgrade with sufficient troops to impose and maintain order and Count Karl Ludwig von Ficquelmont is ordered to the Belgrade to oversee the transfer to a civilian administration with the local authorities.
You guys can hand out awards. It gives your characters a back story and make morale go up... but makes them more of a threat though if they get attacked!



And Yes Mr.Fran. You can recruit another 10,000, but they will be recruits and will need time to be top troops and it will cost money to train them.

[Franconicus]

orders sent!

[SoFarSoGood]

Is it not next Saturday that orders are due?

[Franconicus]

We know that other countries do not have the advanced level of communication like we have in our realm. Do not worry, we will wait for you. If you still want to discuss things or need our advice, you can contact us at our maitresse!

Adieu

[SoFarSoGood]

In a formal ceremony today in Munich it is reported that representatives of His Imperial Majesty Kaiser Ferdinand and his Majesty King Ludwig I of Bavaria have declared a Customs Union and Defencive Alliance to exist between the Empire and the Kingdom of Bavaria.

[Franconicus]

A young Lieutenant was sentenced to death by the martial court at Paris. He was found to be guilty for giving militaty secrets to foreign states.

[SoFarSoGood]

Ouch! Who was after them?

[SoFarSoGood]

Dispatches fresh from Belgrade from our Correspondents say:

"The army of General Warman arrived outside the City yesterday evening. For once the sound of Bells from Churches overcame the Moslem call to Prayer. During the night cavalry guarded the streets and some 200 looters were arrested. By morning the cavalry had vanished to be replaced only by the occasional patrol in Austrian uniform. After two weeks of lawlessness since the Cossacks first started looting the city was at peace."

The same Correspondent writes: "Some confusion occurred when around mid day groups of horsed Staff Officers entered the city from General Warmans camp. They were each accompanied by what appeared to be native Serbo-Croat speakers who announced at intervals, while sticking posters on many walls saying that His Imperial Highness would compensate all who had suffered harm and rebuild the City that his forces had harmed. In repentance for the sins of his army General Warman would enter the City on foot and attend Evening Mass St. Michaels. He would then formally take over full responsibility for the City"

Another Correspondent reports: "General Warman approached the gate on horseback proceeded by some blue suited Croatian Grenadiers in fine marching order. He was forced by the crowd to abandon his before entering the Gate so great a number had turned out. Ladies had to be kept away and the flowers thrown at him we unumbered as he walked, always pausing and speaking to the old men in particular, to St Michaels. Inside the Cathedral was such a throng as it may never have seen. The General proclaimed his and his armies sins publicly and asked the onlookers for his pennance; a thing never before seen. The uproar and acclamations rose to Heaven itself! "Be our King", "King Warman", "To Constantinople". The General then proceeded to the Residence of Prince Miloš where the crowds were held back. A short while after having entered the Residence he appeared again and bowing before the gathered multitude cried "The Emporor shall hear your wishes from own hand this by dispatch this very evening". The crowds remain outside the Residence awaiting a futher appearance of the "Saint of Belgrade" as they now call him".

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Rumors has it the Turks mobilized more troops. Rumors has it they are going to be defending Sofia.... Or is it Iisai? Or will it be a attack on another town? Or will they strike the Russians if and when they invade or even the Austrians......

[Franconicus]

Ouch! Who was after them?

Details of the trail were not published. Although the crime must have been severe, the mercyful King changed the sentence from death to 30 years colonial prison.

[Arjos]

OoC: How is the Schleswig-Holstein conference going to work? Do we send our intentions in the PM or we will attend it at the turn's end?

[SoFarSoGood]

Details of the trail were not published. Although the crime must have been severe, the mercyful King changed the sentence from death to 30 years colonial prison.

Death by tropical disease...

[SoFarSoGood]

We wonder what Englands reaction might be to a Turkish attack on Imperial forces in Serbia?

[Greyblades]

You are an invading army, we would not be surprised if you were attacked, and considering who and what you are currently fighting for we would not be very sympathetic. If you were beaten then we would feel sympathetic, I understand getting beaten by the turks is rather embarassing.

[Franconicus]

This disharmony of the concert has to stop! Gentlemen, remember that we all want to avoid another big war! Therefore I urge Austria and Russia to stop the fighting until there is an agreement with England and I urge England to think again about her position and to stop the militaty support for the Turks immediately.

[SoFarSoGood]

It sounds as if it will be the Ottomans who do the attacking.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Orders will be due Saturday instead.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Rumors! Major events will happen next chapter! Stay tuned......

[Arjos]

*Excitement reaching unprecedented levels*

[SoFarSoGood]

Sorry... day late but orders sent for Kaisers approval.

[Greyblades]

OOC: Sorry for the late orders, kinda got a few things going on that are taking my attention.

IC, After deliberation Great Britain has decided to cease the supply of weaponry to the ottoman empire until the end of the Danish-Prussian conference whose deliberations will now also cover the Balkan situation, reestablishment, reassignment or extension of said support after the conference will depend on it's resolution.

[Franconicus]

An article in a Parisienne Paper:

Latest news from our reporter S. Latour straight from the front. Today he reports about a small town near Belgrade. After the retreat of the Turks from Belgrade, the small garrison of our small town also left the region to join the general flight. This opportunity was used by a small group of Serbian nationalists to occupy the cityhall and to raise a Serbian flag. This Serbian town was independant until next noon, when Hungarian husars appeared. They entered the town, welcomed by the Serbain population as well as by the Serbian militias. The commander of the husars set his headquarter in the cityhall, replacing the Serbian flag by the Austrian. Three hours later, Austrian infantry approached. It was a unit of Pandurs. The offiver of the Pandurs, obviously a higher rank than the husar's officer, received a report about the situation. Then he decided to disarm the Serbian militia and arrested them. During night they were executed as "armed bandits".

And here a paper from Marseille:
French merchants were attacked by a furious crowd at Tartous. They were able to flee with their ships, but lost all their goods. There are more reports about violation against Christians at the Levante. At Jerusalem a crowd of several tenthousand marched through the streets chasing and beating every Christian. Several churches were devasted.

[SoFarSoGood]

It is not Imperial policy to 'execute' armed militias, indeed those with military experience have the opportunity to enlist. Those who are armed but are without military experience and discipline constitute a threat to public order and are required to hand over their weapons and are then free.

[Franconicus]

In the official statement a speaker of the Austrian government told our newspaper, that [QUOTE=SoFarSoGood;2053479895]It is not Imperial policy to 'execute' armed militias[QUOTE]
Now we understand: it is the Austrian policy to disarm militias and to execute them "unarmed". :laugh4:

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Chapter will be done within a day! Sorry for the delay.... Writing is harder then I thought :laugh:!

[Greyblades]

As I offer to all hosts; if there is any writing you feel comfortable with me writing, I'll do it.

[SoFarSoGood]

French newspapers have trouble doing anything but writing "...required to hand over their weapons and are then free." No execution is mentioned there.

[Greyblades]

OOC: is the article franconius produced real or just something he made up?

[Franconicus]

Well, I just found it in the papers lately! Thought it may be of interest!

But the important issue is how the Austrians and Russians deal with local nationalists, err fredom fighters err rebels err ruthless chriminals.

[SoFarSoGood]

We regard them as nationalists, not 'rebels' or 'criminals'. However the Kaiser duty is the care of ALL the people and therefore ill disciplined armed men are a threat to civil order. They can enlist and submit to military discipline if they wish to remain under arms or give up their arms so that they do not present a danger to any of the peaceful and law abiding local population.

[Greyblades]

Well, It's not hard to see you two are really bored. Maybe we should start the conference dialouge?

[SoFarSoGood]

I am agreeable: My position is that Shleswig-Holsetien is neither Danish nor Prussian.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Chapter 2:





Hell on earth;





1/1/1843-12/31/1843:





The year started out in a retelaviiy good state from a social/economic standpoint. I will get to that in another part of the chapter. For the first few months all the nations was modernizing perfectly. However, towards the end, rebellion is slowing some nations down.







Military:



The Austrians have 68,000 men in the Balkans now. They send in 70,000 troops to assist the force and start to mobilize another 30,000 Austrian troops. They are also in the processing of raising

The Austrians at Belgrade are starting to recover there forces. The wounded from illness and the battle are sent back to Vienna within a month with no incident. The garrison is manned by only 18,000 men under Archduke Charles and crew. 2,000 additional men, all foot, are sent to Sarajevo and reach there a week later to join Warman's march on Sofia....



At Sarajevo General Warman is there with 50,000 men. They are building up the town just like at Belgrade. They are about to recieve 50,000 reinforcement at Sarajevo, and 20,000 at Belgrade of which 5,000 will rest and march right back out to Isai to help the Russians in time hopefully













Massarce of the Turks!



2/1/1843-2/2/1843



The Turkish garrison of 10,000 is resting one night when the Austrians attack. The Turks, caught off guard stand no chance. They form one pocket of strong resistance in the town square, a thousand of them. Fierce fighting goes on until the Austrians brings their cannons into the square and massacred the Turks. The fighting ends 12 hours later with the Turkish force wiped out and under 500 men for the Austrians on the rolls.







Austrians:



212 killed

288 wounded





Turks:

8,500 killed

1,300 captured

200 escaped







By This point the Turks now know the Austrians are not on their side anymore. General Warman8 prasies his troops and orders them to rebuild ASAP and they do so. They get word the Russians are about to move in a week and Warman quickly puts together a force to march to Sofia. He gets 80,000 men, half from Sarajevo, 38,000 from Hungary and 2,000 from Belgrade to form the 80,000 men. He also receives his friend Josiep Banaic who will also lead the force as his 2nd in command. 40,000 men stay as Sarajevo for the time being. They are waiting for a 15,000 man Neapolitan force,16,000 Swiss that will be led by Dufour when they arrive and 18,000 Poles aswell as the remaining 30,000 Austrians who are going to be here in a matter of weeks.. They starts towards Sofia with 80,000 men and 200 cannons in late February as 150,000 Russians start to surround Isai with 350 cannons and 5,000 Austrians rush to the scene as well with 12 light cannons.....



At Isai, The Russians/Austrians total 155,000 men under the commands of Mikhail Gorchakov, Valerian Engelhardt, General Baryatinsky and of Austria, General Benedek, a Hungarian. As they about to surrond they get news that the town is garrsion by 13,000 troops from the major battle last year over the Russians plus 50,000 men are outside the town waiting. A 20,000 man Turkish force under the command of a Polish general of all people, Henryk Dembiński. The Russian armies decides to attack the Turks while they still can under orders of the Tzar.



83,000 Turks 200 cannons .vs. 160,000 Russians/Austrians (5K) and a sudden arrival of 5K Balkan ill trained but well equipped volunteers, paid for by the Austrians and 362 cannons.





The Russians from the front of the city and the east hit hand on as the Austrians, all Hungarian Grenadiers, rush the city after a 24 bombement, opening up just a few breaches in the walls. Benedek leds his men from the front as well as Baryatinsky as the other two generals stay back to direct more of the fighting. The 50,000 Turks however fire volleys into the masses of Allies and they fall back. The Austrian light cannons fire half a dozen volleys getting direct hits on the dense Turkish position. This fight is being fought mass wise, like Napoleon in his later days. Russian cannons roar and rip into the lines. Finally, the Allies march again. After 5 minutes of volley fire, all the troops around the town fix bayonets and charge into the Turkish lines with cannons roaring from both sides. Men fall by the dozens. Limbs fly, heads blow apart as cannon balls rip though the lines. Bodies start pilling up 6 feet tall in some areas around the Turkish trenches. Finally, Benedek makes it into the city first and climbs the one city wall with 200 Hungarians and plants the Habsburg Double Eagle banner. The Russians surge in, not to be outdone. Now on the west side, where this is taking place, 1,000 Hungarian elite foot and 3,000 Russians are inside. On the eastern side Barakstiny is inside with 3,000 Russians as well. Men keep pouring in with cannons going.



However, the 20,000 Turks strike on the outside from all around and fought with great skill. 5,000 Balkan troops on the east side are almost wiped out but inflict heavy losses on the Turks and stop them there. On the South and North sides they start to gain ground and captures cannons, only to get push back by cannon volleys at point blank range, same as on the west side of the town.



The fighting in the town rages on. The Turkish commander is killed during the battle. 3 hours before the city falls due to a massive fire where many people die, General Benedek is killed by a sharpshooter during the street fighting and Barastinsky is seriously wounded and carried from the streets to a safe house in the town and treated. 3 days later, March 3, 1843, the town falls to the allied force. The Polish General is wounded and is captured by Hungarian Hussars. The new Austrian commander asks the Russians what they like to do with the Polish General. Hungarian Hussars and Russian Cossacks spent 2 weeks tracking down random men until they are stop by bigger foot troops.





Result:



Decisive Austro-Russian victory



Losses:





Allies: 40,000 men



Russians:

33,000 total:



28,500 KIA

2,500 WIA

1,500 dead from illness or missing.



30 cannons, 5 flags



Austrians:

3,000



1,800 + Benedek KIA

1,200 WIA

3 cannons,1 flag



Balkan Troops:

4,000



3,000 KIA

1,000 WIA/Missing



Turkish Army:



75,000 men



65,000 KIA

8,000 Wounded (captured to)

2,000 Captured



Remaining 8,000 escaped narrowly of which 2,000 died from cholera and 1,000 extra are captured.





















The Polish troops arrived in Isai after the battle. These Poles are the loyalist troops around and was hard to get, very hard. 16,000 Swiss arrive in Sarajevo as well as the 15,000 Italians and General Dufour leaves Belgrade with his new fresh force to join them, bringing the expensive Swiss to 18,500. The Austrians finally make it and the two forces, 35,000 Austrians under Ferenic Ottinger, Swiss under Dufor and Neapolitans under a new general, they start marching south as fast as they can, destroying all Turkish towns but sparing all the friendly ones and feeding the hungry there. They are only harassed by small amounts of men. Egypt has entered the war with 25,000 men and are fighting the Turks. No major battle yet in 1843 but Turks are figuring out what to do.



Take over of Cyprus:



It goes well for the French and their couple thousand troops. They take over the island with only 300 men killed and 200 lost and killed/wound/captured 3,000 Turks. However, some French and British ships get into a strap and 30 French sailors and 10 British are killed. The French almost capture a ship of British weapons heading to the Turks, or what they THINK is British weapons.





French/Greek Victory



Assault on Sofia:



General Warman8 reaches Sofia and it is garrison only by 15,000 men by Omar Pasha. But they are ready for them.



Assault on Sofia!:

May 5th, 1843 ;



General Warman8 is in a Hussar uniform on a hilltop with his men at the south of the town. He gives the order to attack. The town has been bombed for 3 days now, and allegedeary the Sultan is heading out personally for one last try to save his empire with 50,000 elite troops at his head but it will take months at the earliest before the two sides fight, probably not until early 1844.



Banaic attacks with his Croat pandours and mounted and dismounted hussars against the south and west of the walls (he is at the west) . He looks back and faintly sees Warman watching him. Cannons roar on that side and his men scream as 35 of them get killed in a matter of 5 seconds from direct rifle and cannons fire from the walls. On the East and North Austrian troops start pouring into the town. After 2 hours Warman rides down and jumps over the debris of the South wall with his bodyguard and he joins the fight. There are now 3,000 citizens in the fight and the Turks are putting up a good fight. Warman is shot in the arm but is OK. He kills his attacker with his pistol and then another with a Sabre. One tries to rip off his MTO but he is shot in the head by a Austrian line solider. The solider later is award a MTO award by Warman. Franz Schilk finally captured Omar Pasha, a former Austrian trooper from Croatia (A Serb Croat). His whole bodyguard was killed in the fierce fighting. Finally he surrenders the town.









Result:

Decisive Austrian Victory



Losses:



Austrian:

13,800 men



10,000 KIA

2,500 Wounded

1,300 missing or died from a small outbreak of illness before the assault





Turks:



15,000 troops

6,000 KIA

9,000 wounded/captured





3,500 additional citizens killed/wounded

1,500 captured



Grand Turkish total:



20,000 losses































68,500 men Allied Force reach Bosnia then they march onwards so fast they outplace their supply lines. They march upwards east to guard the left flank of Warman at the Kosovo region so their supply lines can catch up.



















In August-December 1843 Revolutions finally come (5 years early!). They come with warning in Austria and Russia, but not much warning. The cost of the war in Austria was paid for in full in year 1 but now it is hardly cover. Another year and Austria will need to get more money or star taking out loans as in years back (OCC: In game 1). 80,000 Hungarians rise up under Kossuth/Gorgey, 30,000 unloyal Poles rise up, 15,000 Italians from Piedmont attack Radesky. 5,000 Irish rise up and 15,000 southern French rise up.





Rest is soon to come!

[Greyblades]

This is the first warning to France, Great Britain is devoted to the protection of it's people, I expect the french government to pay reparation to the families of those killed and to know that we will not tolerate further attacks on our trade.

[SoFarSoGood]

Great chapter ty! Kaiser must have altered my plans alot lol.

Statement from the Austrian War Office:

"If Austria has inadvertently killed any soldiers serving in British colours we shall pay full recompensation.

To Commanders of Iasi, Sarajevo and Sofia the following instruction has been issued: Take such steps as are necessary to maintain peace and return both the city and locality to peaceful order. Funds for rebuilding and compensation of civilians will be sent once you submit an estimate. You are to employ local workmen in rebuilding. Any armed civilians have the choice, hand over their arms or enlist. If they chose enlistment send them to regimental quarters back in Austria where they can be fully trained.

In Iasi a joint Governorship with Russia is permissable until diplomacy and other powers have made their views clear.

Send all wounded to Belgrade where the hospital is now in good order."

We mourn the fallen heros!

[Franconicus]

This is the first warning to France, Great Britain is devoted to the protection of it's people, I expect the french government to pay reparation to the families of those killed and to know that we will not tolerate further attacks on our trade.

Wait a moment, let's first find out who is to blame!
The French troops had strict orders to avoid any fighting with the English and to use their guns only in case of self defense. Now we see that there was some fighting between a French squad of several sol and frigate with some merchants of the English. Although the French had massive superiority, they suffered looses from 3 : 1 against the English sailors.
From this it seems to be clear that the English opened hostlities. So I want to send thewarnings back to London: keep your men under control or you will regret it.

[Greyblades]

Riiiiight...

However, some French and British ships get into a strap and 30 French sailors and 10 British are killed. The French almost capture a ship of British weapons heading to the Turks, or what they THINK is British weapons.You were demanding that I stop supplying weapons, then the writeup says your men were failed to capture a ship they thought had british weapons on it.

2+2= botched french raid on percieved gun runners. Not a smart thing to do on a superior party that's trained specially to combat you. Cut it out.

I got a reduced tarif rate with the ottomans for the out-of-date ships so there's going to be alot of legitamate traders in the area who dont deserve to be attacked.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Great chapter ty! Kaiser must have altered my plans alot lol.

Statement from the Austrian War Office:

"If Austria has inadvertently killed any soldiers serving in British colours we shall pay full recompensation.

To Commanders of Iasi, Sarajevo and Sofia the following instruction has been issued: Take such steps as are necessary to maintain peace and return both the city and locality to peaceful order. Funds for rebuilding and compensation of civilians will be sent once you submit an estimate. You are to employ local workmen in rebuilding. Any armed civilians have the choice, hand over their arms or enlist. If they chose enlistment send them to regimental quarters back in Austria where they can be fully trained.

In Iasi a joint Governorship with Russia is permissable until diplomacy and other powers have made their views clear.

Send all wounded to Belgrade where the hospital is now in good order."

We mourn the fallen heros!



This is only part of the chapter.I am working on the social part of the chapter now. It turns out to be a bigger chapter then I thought!

[Arjos]

Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Lejb_Guard_Litov_attack_at_Borodino.jpg

Eagerly awaiting for the rest...
And as others offered, if there's any need for help, I'm available too ^^

[SoFarSoGood]

The Kaiser sends the Czar the Baton of Field Marshall of the Empire.

[Greyblades]

OOC: The queen sends the Kaiser the newly integrated Baton of Brown Nose of the Suck Up.

[SoFarSoGood]

England is welcome, as are other members of the Concert, to send representatives to evaluate the situation in the surprisingly liberated areas and advise on their administration.

The Field Marshals Baton was sent in honour of the 35,000 Russians who died before Iasi. Their glory shall rise again in Heaven. All Christendom should rejoice at these victories which return Christian people to the rule of Christian Princes and diminish the Ottoman threat to all.

We consider that a combined action of the Powers can now be undertaken against the Straits.

We are sad to hear of Anglo French misunderstanding. If the French troops knowingly attacked a British ship for their own gain we can only assume that this was NOT on the orders of his Sovereign. If he has disobeyed orders, which is not unknown in time of war, then he must be shot.

[Franconicus]

The Conference



As the French emissary I would like to thank my Austrian colleague for opening the conference with his warm words and for his clear and profound words about the Schleswig-Holstein affair. There is little to add from the French side.



Maybe you will not mind, if I start with the French view on the Balkans, which is another area of concern. First of all, the Balkans is neither Austrian nor Russian, as my colleague from Vienna would say. There are a couple of people there, most of them Christian and all suffering from the Ottomans. This is an unpleasant situation, especially as the suppressed people begin to resist the Ottoman administration. This can easily lead to riots and infect the whole region. Therefore, the Concert has the duty to care about it and who should have the leadership if not the neighbors Austria and Russia. Unfortunately, the two of them decided to act without consultations of the concert. We regret this and I think so does the English government. We are here today to fix this. France thinks that a strong control of the Balkans is mandatory. We are pleased by the English proposal to create a new kingdom here, which would at least in the beginning depend on the support of the Concert, just like Greece did. However, there are tow other issues I would like to lead your attention on. First of all, there is the connection of the sea gates of Constantinople. These seem to be of extreme strategically importance to all of us. Current treaties guarantee that they have to remain open for all merchant ships and closed for all warships. This status has to be conserved. Furthermore we suggest that we all guarantee the sovereignty of the Ottoman Empire on Asia Minor. It would lead to nothing if we compete there.



Back to the Schleswig-Holstein affair. Both provinces are German, they used to be parts of the HRE and are now members of the German federation. And the Danish King is also Prince of these provinces. However, by changing the legal status of these provinces to become a part of the Danish Realm, he violated the rights of the German Federation. Now who has to deal with it. According to the same logic we used to the Balkans we have to say that Prussia is the natural leader in this affair and we want to thank Berlin that it brought it here to discuss it.



From our point of view, Schleswig-Holstein may not become part of Denmark. We think that it would be best if the Danish King would give up his claim and if the two provinces get a German prince.



Thank you very much!

[Franconicus]

Communiqué of the French War Ministry


The War Ministry announces that three weeks ago Greek forces took over control of the island of Cyprus. This operation was supported by the French Navy and small elite units of the marines and the Foreign Legion. The Ottoman resistance was quickly overwhelmed and the Greek population was freed. Casualties on both sides were marginal. Now the whole island is under control of the administration of the King of Greece.

Unfortunately, some Christian civilians were killed during this operation, namely a couple of British sailors. The circumstances are still unclear, but rumors have been disproved that these victims had been English agents to give military support to the sultan. The Ministry also puts it straight, that neither any English weapons were found nor any English ships were stopped or attacked.

At the current state of investigation the Ministry regards the English sailors as victims of Ottoman fire.

Finally the Ministry wants to point to the fact the support for the Greek operation was completely within the lines of the Concert of Europe, which had decided to support the Greek fighting for liberation. To help the Greek army to defend the island France will have a permanent naval base on the southern coast of Cyprus.



Communiqué of the French Foreign Ministry


The Foreign Ministry announces that France and the Benelux countries signed a treaty of mutual assistance. This treaty will secure all four countries from internal and external threats. Part of the treaty is the deployment of French troops in the Benelux countries.

[SoFarSoGood]

An elderly Metternich rises:

Gentlemen and Princes all (deep bow) I thank my noble and gallant French colleague for his words of honesty and wisdom on these matters. May I start by again sitting down... touch of gout.

Ahem... Gentlemen the words of the French Minster are profound in our ears on the subjects he has addressed. My understanding when called to this noble meeting of allies and friends was that we were to discuss the Schieswig Holstein matter but my Noble colleague from France has raised other matters which, while we are indeed we are most anxious to discuss, are in rapid fluctuation and yet turn against the so far victorious armies. Devolpments may arise in this area as we speak and all our words may count for dead candles with the light of hope extinguished once again. If the Conference wishes to discuss the future of cities and peoples whose fate may not yet within our power to decide let it be considered only as a plan until the campaign is won and peace is with made the Sultan. One other interesting note I take from my French colleague, relating to the Balkans, is that he mentions the campaigns of the Emperor and the Czar but fails to praise the heroism of his own ' marines and the Foreign Legion' in support of the Cypriot Greeks which now allows him to unilateraly declare "a permanent (French) naval base on the southern coast of Cyprus". It may be that some nations object to this idea and of course this is why he does not raise the matter for debate. There are other things we could discuss - many of them that would keep here for months or years but we must decide which issue to discuss at one time. I therefore propose that we resolve and reach a decision on the matter we came here to decide; Shleiswig Holstein.

My opinion of this matter is that Danish Prince, while he has hereditary claim to the region, does not have a legal claim. In previous Treaties, signed by Denmark, Shleiswig Holstein was accounted a member of German Federation. On this there can be no doubt, the treaties signed by myself and your predecessors are available. While we can sympathise with the King of Denmarks claims on behalf of his family does he wish to renounce the signatures of all Europe on the Treaties signed? We would advise him against such action. If he wishes an alliance with the region, such as that between the Emperor and the King of Bavaria, I see no legal difficulty per se. It must still be considered though whether such an alliance may destabilise the Federation.

The Balkan questions Gentlemen we are happy to discuss but I must hurry back to Vienna to attend pressing matters of State (like wtf are my troops doing in Iasi!) and will leave the rest of our talks here in the hands of my Noble friend and colleague Count Chotek of Chotkow and Wognin.

I thank you all for your patience.

[Arjos]

Admiral Yevfimy Putyatin cleared his throat and said:

Gentlemen the matter is pretty straightforward, there's a sick man in Europe and he's causing great disaffection in the Balkans. Fellow Christians need God-given rulers, Majesties capable of preserving order and ensure prosperity: these are the Austrian Kaiser and the Russian Czar. Several independent entities will only exacerbate petty local squabbles, that may very well threaten to engulf the whole of Europe.
As for setting up yet another kingdom in the area, it is redundant and unnecessary: have we forgotten that we undertaken already such a task with the mission to liberate the Greeks?
Therefore I put to you what has been announced and talked already in many circles: there has to be a tri-partition between Austria, Russia and Greece, the Carpathian-Rhodopes ranges will become the new border between the two empires and the Pindus-Rhodopes mountains the border between them and Greece.
While at the straits there will be no ruler, but free commercial cities, driven by no personal interests (like a ruler would inevitably be) but mediterranean trade. These of course would be under the Concert's protection in case of any attack and administratively they would be autonomous, with any christian nation able to set mercantile companies and embassies: true cities of the Concert, where all Europeans can prosper together.

As we speak, brave soldiers are fighting for this purpose and will make sure that these lands are brought to their respective sovereigns.

To answer regarding Schleswig-Holstein, it is the Czar's understanding that the people of Holstein called for a Prussian unification of the German States (sanctioned by treaties) and its people wish to join Prussia. While the Duchy of Schleswig is divided between a danish northern region and a german southern region: again it goes without saying this seems already settled, let the germanic Holstein and Southern Schleswig join Prussia as they wish and let Northern Schleswig be united with Denmark.

I thank you for your attention. May God bless all the fallen liberators!

[Franconicus]

Chateaubriand stands up:

I want to thank Admiral Putyatin for his explanation. I do not think that there is not a way to meet with the ideas from London, which I hope we will soon hear.

Regarding the words of Metternich I fear that I did not understand everything well. At least I could not understand his ideas about the future of the Balkans. But I understood that we does not want to talk about it, until everything decided by the Austrian armies. That is hardly the way the concert works.

To Cyprus: France supported an operation of he Greek army with the goal to liberate the Greek island from Ottoman occupation. Is there any doubt that this operation is in line with the policy of the Concert? Hardly.
The Austrian minister also mentions the French base on Cyprus. Once again we could not follow his speach. If the souvereign King of Greek, which had been echosen and installed by the Concert, decides that he wants a French base on one of his islands for the sake of the defense of his country, is this an issue that nneds to be discussed i the Concert? Well, if it is so, voila, let's talk about it. We do not mind. Although we think the Balkan affair is more serious and urgent.

[Greyblades]

Gentlemen.

While the current investigation into the Cypris affair is ongoing I feel the time is right to present to my fellow atendees a thought that has been at the forefront of my mind for several weeks now, what will happen to the balkans after the war?

Now the Russian Tzar has made his intentions rather clear, the division of the Balkan region between himself and his, for want of a better term, accomplis the Austrian Emperor under a prettily worded right of conquest. A conquest that wasnt even presented for consideration to the concert. Odd, I find myself saying, didn't we fight a bloody war to repel the last person to do so? Didnt we form this very concert to ensure such would not happen again?

Yet when such concerns were raised I found the concert members indifferent to such flagrant expansionism, indeed in the case of France their words were in conflict with thier very actions, urging an end yet sending ships and men to aid in the Russian-Ottoman War. Why, in such fevror were they to join the fight that they appear to have attempted to capture one of the British Empires's trade vessels by mistake in an incident that cost 40 lives. Gentlemen unless something changes this concert will become a failure. As such I have spent several days of discussion with fellow concert members and have formulated a solution that should appease all parties and end this trend of expansionism in its tracks.

Gentlmen, Great Britain proposes that instead of dividing the balkan area between themselves that the Concert pledges itself to restoring the Scions of Palaiologos to the throne of Constantinople, and to secure thier claim I propose that they be joined with the decendants of the last to call themselves Latin emperors on constantinople's seat the Capets.

As such I propose a union between Maximillion of Austria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximillian_I_of_Mexico), Scion of Palaiologos, and Olga Nikolaevna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olga_Nikolaevna_of_Russia) of Russia, Scion of Capet. I urge that the Concert name the couple rulers of Byzantium and that Russia, Austria and France change thier war goals to restore the lands that were under the byzantium empire in 1095 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_the_Byzantine_Empire) and found a New Byzantium Empire with the couple as rulers.

[SoFarSoGood]

The Count if Chotkow and Wognin would like to address the remarks of the noble and eloquent Chateaubriand:

Sir your misunderstanding of Prince Metternich words I hope were due to translations difficulties, you being accustomed to Bretton perhaps. The Prince invited discussion on Balkan matters "The Balkan questions Gentlemen we are happy to discuss" being his exact words. Already your representatives have been invited to all the liberated areas to see for yourselves the continuing movements on the front line and to help administer the regions until the peace is restored. The point that M. Chateaubriand seemingly fails to understand is that actions are still in progress that God alone will decide and cannot be guaranteed by the Kaisers forces alone. You may wish for certain distribution or a new Monarch but the egg is not yet hatched. Battles have been won but the campaign is not over. We must therefore state that any discussion of any new Monarch or distribution of Balkan land must be hypothetical as yet. It is not within our power to decide the fate of the campaign.

As for M. Chateaubriands remarks concerning Cyprus may we ask if the French Government acted in this regard and more particularly in regard of the Naval base with English consent? We assume not and as such how can he claim this is the Concerts policy?

Regarding the remarks of the Noble Admiral Yevfimy Putyatin that "the people of Holstein called for a Prussian unification of the German States (sanctioned by treaties) and its people wish to join Prussia" we are quite flabbergasted at such a statement... It literaly defies belief that a representative of the 'Autocrat of all the Russias', as his Imperial Highness the Czar sometimes titles himself, wishes to allow such a dangerous precedent to be followed that would undoubtedly undermine the position of his Imperial Master. We can only assume this must be a mistake. If the Admiral could perhaps direct me to these Treaties where such revolutionary principles are sanctioned I would be most eager to read them.

[Greyblades]

Actually to be quite frank, the point you and russia keep making: that the war is still ongoing so it's irrelevent, is itself irrelevent. I need an answer now because without a compromise I am going to resume helping the ottomans, I might even join the war on thier side and I doubt that you really want me as an enemy.

[Arjos]

Thank you Count von Chotkow und Wognin for pointing my mistake in explaining myself. What I was saying is that with the Congress of Vienna, Holstein was recognized as a part of the German Confederation and so it shall remain. That it wishes to form an alliance with Prussia is the duchy's choice. Since Schleswig was never part of such confederation, but under older treaties (Ribe), the two regions decided to never be divided. Russia feels that splitting Schleswig, technically remaining true to all these treaties, will be the best solution to preserve peace.

As for these "scions", the Czar himself is Friedrich Wilhelm I of Prussia's descendant and member of that byzantine line. But frankly I said how a ruler sitting in Constantinople will be an unstable polity, not to mention a possible rift between Austria and Russia, at the same time a threat to both empires, with claims to their crowns.

I would also like for the Concert to define Britain's position in the current war. We respect its membership and voice in the Concert's matters, but with the Turkish war, the Queen has made clear where Her allegiances stand.
On a last note, I forgot to define the Czar's position for the Ottoman's future: as proclaimed this is a liberation of the Balkans and Russia hopes in the future the Sultan will accept the Concert's authority and possibly become its friend. His Imperial Majesty wishes the Turks to acknowledge the Concert's rule in european affairs and could very well define an Ottoman sphere of influence in the east, which will be respected.

[Greyblades]

As for these "scions", the Czar himself is Friedrich Wilhelm I of Prussia's descendant and member of that byzantine line. But frankly I said how a ruler sitting in Constantinople will be an unstable polity, not to mention a possible rift between Austria and Russia, at the same time a threat to both empires, with claims to their crowns.
I disagree.
With the support of Russia, Austria, France and Britain the stability of such a nation would be child's play to maintain. Last I checked a marital bond was something that strengthened ties, not weakened them, and if Russia is really so concerned about claims it would be simple to just make them renounce such claims in favor of Byzantium. I proposed the union because it would put a person from both Austria and Russia in charge of the region while removing the reason for my objection, sticking the Tzar on the throne would render the excersise pointless.
Finally I question the tzar's logic at considering a potential ally of the same dynasty as a threat worthy of risking war with Britain over avoiding.


I would also like for the Concert to define Britain's position in the current war. We respect its membership and voice in the Concert's matters, but with the Turkish war, the Queen has made clear where Her allegiances stand. We object to you invading with the express purpose of taking land for yourself, we find your past actions and constant rebuking of any attempts at compromise indicative of your stated reasons being false, we resent having our objections constantly dismissed instead of debated or negociated and we find it questionable in the least that it seems noone else has a problem with this.
The question isn't why I'm doing this but why noone else is.

OOC: note to self: future posts must not require multiple edits to stop being inflamatory.

[Arjos]

Farsight seems to be amiss to you Sir, a line with claims on Constantinople, Moscow and Vienna is a major threat and viable to cause succession wars. And as for marriages didn't Napoleon marry Kaiser Franz II of Austria's daughter? Besides with Britain already funding and supplying an enemy, what will stop it from doing the same with this King of Constantinople against other nations?

This war was unofficially accepted by every member of the Concert, except Britain, as it never allowed any possibilty of discourse: the Czar clearly called for an holy war and the completion of the greek liberation. The British unlike any other nation, see it in their own paranoid and monopolistic fashion. As for my inquiry to the conference, it isn't your motive that concern us; we know that the mad man sees what he sees. What we are putting to question is that if Britain is supplying the Saracens, then your government has no say in this matter, at the end of the war will have to pay reparations to Austria, Greece and Russia for the damage and lost lives it is causing.

[Greyblades]

All I have to say to that is:
1. That's why I said the couple would renounce thier family claims to anything but Byzantium.
2. You are not getting a penny for lives lost in your illigitamate war.
3. Making comparison's to napoleon is rich coming from the wannabe conquerer

[Arjos]

Gentlemen is this a member of the Concert? A kingdom keeping european interests and stability at heart? We have been sitting here, discussing for hours and they haven't even spoke about the Schleswig-Holstein question.
No, dear friends, this is a monopolistic and selfish country, set to keep all of us locked and at its mercy! Where are the British, who promised to help Greece? They are giving weapons to the Turks! And most of all impeding operations like the liberation of Cyprus.

They want to enrich themselves by funding Europe's enemies, while they kill us! They don't have any morals or christian spirit of brotherhood, they are avaricious, promoting our suffering and european instability to expand their global aspirations!

[Greyblades]

So when you run out of legitimate arguments you resort to attacks on character. It's almost as if he's losing faith in his position.

[Arjos]

It is entirely a question of character in understanding the motivations behind these proposals. What has been heard from Britain in the past years were self-serving and unfounded lies. Here is Russia pledging to the Concert, at a formal conference, that the straits will remain free. Just like previously announced.
And what better way to preserve peace and stability is there, other than expanding the borders of Austria, Russia and Greece? Whose sovereigns are working together and for the Concert's purpose.

The British alternative is a pretext to continue its weaponry exportation policy. What's worse, is that it is pointed against the very own Europe of the Concert. These aren't speculations, but proven and undenied practices, ongoing as we speak!

[Greyblades]

It is entirely a question of character in understanding the motivations behind these proposals. What has been heard from Britain in the past years were self-serving and unfounded lies. Here is Russia pledging to the Concert, at a formal conference, that the straits will remain free. Just like previously announced.
And what better way to preserve peace and stability is there, other than expanding the borders of Austria, Russia and Greece? Whose sovereigns are working together and for the Concert's purpose.
The concert's purpose? The concert's purpose is to maintain the balance of power, not to provide aid for Russia's self centered expansion. Your actions upset the order of things and if it goes unopposed will set a precident of unregulated expansion in europe that goes against everything the concert has done and stood for till now. Why, the baseless rhetoric you spout to cover your intention isn't even your idea! As with the rest of the concert I did recieve Frances meassage:

Sires,
there are two affairs threatening the peace of Europe - the Balkans and Schleswig-Holstein. We, the concert of five, should try to find a peaceful and lasting solution.

To the Balkans: It is obvious, that the Turk will not be able to control the Balkans any longer. New nationalistic states are evil, so I do see only one solution. I suggest that Austria and Russia get the mandate to share the control over the Balkans for five years. Russia should get all Slavic and Orthodox provinces. Austria should take the rest. Both have to guarantee order in their districts.
Asia Minor is another source of instability. We think that We have to stop the fighting there. The Turkish control has to be reinstalled with the support of the concert. Any egoistic ambitions have to be rejected. The straits have to remain under the control of the Turks, but free for all.

Regarding S-H, all hostilities have to be avoided.

Good luck
Chateaubriand
After recieveing his message I only recieved one more message before the conversation abruptly ceased to be sent to me. How can it be the will of the concert when one of it's founding members was excluded from it's decision making? And the very idea that your occupation is the best way to maintain peace and stability is patently absurd, especially considering it is you that is causing the region's instability and conflict.

The British alternative is a pretext to continue its weaponry exportation policy. What's worse, is that it is pointed against the very own Europe of the Concert. These aren't speculations, but proven and undenied practices, ongoing as we speak!
The British alternative is to continue the war with a different method and with Britain joining on your side. If you would agree you would get what is wanted: stability and peace in the balkans under a christian state while promoting the ideal of the authority of monachy, so why are you taking issue? The only difference between my vision and France's is that it won't be your state holding the balkans in the end. Is that it? From where I come from that is called self centered expansionism.

Finally, I must remind the concert that my weaponry only remains "pointed at the very europe of the concert" because of Russia's stubborness.

[SoFarSoGood]

Sirs may we deal with one issue at a time?

On the Shcleiswig Holstein question it seems to his Majesties Government that Shcleiswig Holstein is a single region. It is not for the people of one part of this region to decide their own affairs; such a principle is dangerous. Either Shcleiswig Holstein as a whole accepts a Prussian alliance or it does not. Perhaps we could ask the Prince of this region, who also is the King of Denmark, if such a solution is agreeable?

On any final Balkan resolution: I am quite at a loss to understand to understand how the ongoing nature of the campaign is "irrelevent". I can no more guarantee a 'New Byzantium' or a 'Free Constantinople' at present than I can guarantee that the weather will be fine tomorrow. We have already invited official and reporters from all Powers to the liberated regions and wait for the Concerts advice.

In principle we have no objection to 'New Byzantium' proposed by England. We note though that the map supplied by England would include the territory of the King of Greece... It may be that he may object one might think. There could be future Byzantine claims that may similarly disputed. Likewise we have no objection in principle to the plan put forward by the Noble Admiral. We would welcome though a more detailed description and perhaps a map of the 'Russian Plan' showing 'free cities'. Is Sofia, for example, to be a 'free city'?

The Noble Admiral states that one of his worthy goals is to 'force the Sultan to accept the Concerts authority in Europe': We welcome this aim and share it. IF this worthy aim is indeed our purpose may it not be that our recent victories may have achieved this aim already? The Sultan has considerable problems of his own to deal with and may indeed welcome a negotiated settlement and even our support in maintaining himself. Would he not accept a solution that the Concert dictated? We feel sure that an ultimatum made to him by England and France, under threat of war, would bring him to the negotiating table.

So gentlemen let us agree this aim and general principle suggested by the Noble Admiral: The authority of the Concert in Europe is our aim. Let us then see if the Sultan will accept this authority for he must recognise the grave consequences. If the Sultan agrees to negotiate all well and good; we can dictate terms. If he refuses he denies all our authority.

[SoFarSoGood]

Sry dble post

[Arjos]

That Schleswig and Holstein had to sign treaties of political alignment, alone goes to show that considering them a single region is a diplomatical concept for easier reference. Russia has no problem with it, but considering the recent turmoils, it seems this solution (united region, going to one side only), will exacerbate internal tensions and eventually will not resolve the matter.

Regarding the Balkans, as inquired by the Count, here is the detailed partition:

- to Austria the lands west of the Carpathians and north of the Pindus mountains, with the major centers of Belgrade, Sarajevo, Tirana and Skopje.

- to Russia the lands east of the Carpathians and north of the Rhodopes mountains, with the major centers of Iasi, Bucharest, Sofia and Edirne.

- To Greece the lands south of the Pindus and the Rhodopes mountains, with the major centers of Thessaloniki, Ioannina, Larissa, Cyprus, Crete, Rhodes and the Dodecanese. Would also be a nice gesture and reparation by the British to cede the Ionian Islands.

- Constantinople, Gallipoli and Rhaedestos will become each an independent free city. For these fielding an army would be illegal and will have only a self-defense militia, living under the Concert's protection. All the members will be able to set mercantile companies and embassies there. This ensures complete neutrality and avoids any ruler set in Constantinople to form pacts and alliances or impose trading preferences.

Also as the Count von Chotkow und Wognin pointed out a Byzantine kingdom stands as a very unstable entity: would it demand a greek annexation? Would it claim lands in the Crimea and Dalmatia? Would it engage in constant warfare or diplomatical tension with Asia?
This resolution that Russia is proposing keeps austrian influence solely in the Adriatic Sea, greek in the Ionian and Aegean Seas, russian in the Black Sea. And impartial, Concert's rule for the Straits. Firm and peaceful authority encompassing the Balkans, preventing nationalism and avoiding any conflict due to local enmities.

If the Sultan is willing to accept those terms and sign a treaty, the Czar will be more than grateful and will send aid to help in the Ottoman recovery and stabilization.

[SoFarSoGood]

"It is reported that body of General Benedek today passed into Belgrade, the Hero of Iasi, where it was greeted with a full military guard. The Archduke Charles led the procession. Commenting on plans for a funeral a member of the Archdukes Staff said "General Benedek was a Hungarian hero of the Empire. He shall be layed to rest in St Stephens in Budapest". When asked about reports of rebellion in Hungary he replied "Let them think again before dishonouring their own."

Meanwhile Count Josip Jelačić has been appointed Ban of Croatia-Slavonia.

[Greyblades]

On any final Balkan resolution: I am quite at a loss to understand to understand how the ongoing nature of the campaign is "irrelevent". I can no more guarantee a 'New Byzantium' or a 'Free Constantinople' at present than I can guarantee that the weather will be fine tomorrow. We have already invited official and reporters from all Powers to the liberated regions and wait for the Concerts advice.
...Because at the moment, as far as I can see, without support the ottomans are all but beaten, if Britain joins now on the russian side thier success is certain, whereas is if Britain joins on the ottoman's side, well, let's just say it will become less certain. Considering there is doubts that the Ottomans will keep fighting on it's own next turn, Britain is making the choice now. If you and russia do not abandon any plans of dividing the balkans between yourselves Britain will join the Ottomans. The Byzantium plan is merely a compromise and if it is agreed to you can keep britain from joining the ottomans and have the balkans become ruled by a christian state.

In principle we have no objection to 'New Byzantium' proposed by England. We note though that the map supplied by England would include the territory of the King of Greece... It may be that he may object one might think. There could be future Byzantine claims that may similarly disputed.
My apologies that I could not find a map that showed the desired boundaries that didn't include thier dominion over greece, Britain has no intention to push the kindom of greece into a new byzantium empire.

[SoFarSoGood]

Sir, while we heartily welcome the British expression that a 'New Byzantium' would have no Greek claim at present may we ask for how long and to what extent England is willing to guarantee such a claim - not only on Greece but on the Levant, Egypt and even parts of Italy. Certainly while we welcome the recognition of Greece surely other boundaries must be set on any 'New Byzantium' by Treaty?

Such a Treaty must include the Sultan of course and my Honourable English counterpart alludes to this when he remarks "the ottomans are all but beaten". I must inform the English delegation that we honestly do not know this to be the case. He may perhaps know better than us of course.

What the Hon Gentleman does not refer to however is a proposed negotiation with the Sultan... Now we understand that the division proposed by the Noble Admiral may not meet his approval but perhaps he would care to consider a solution in which the Sultan accepts the authority of the Concert in Europe as a starting point? We have not heard England on this proposal.

Whether a 'New Byzantium' or a 'free city' long term solution his Highness will follow the will of the Concert.

[Greyblades]

Sir, while we heartily welcome the British expression that a 'New Byzantium' would have no Greek claim at present may we ask for how long and to what extent England is willing to guarantee such a claim - not only on Greece but on the Levant, Egypt and even parts of Italy. Certainly while we welcome the recognition of Greece surely other boundaries must be set on any 'New Byzantium' by Treaty?
Indeed, and I would be delighted to negociate such boundaries.

Such a Treaty must include the Sultan of course and my Honourable English counterpart alludes to this when he remarks "the ottomans are all but beaten". I must inform the English delegation that we honestly do not know this to be the case. He may perhaps know better than us of course.
I allude to the fact that the sultan as the sick man of europe is facing down two concert members. His overall odds on his own are similar to a quadrapalegic facing down an army sergeant.

What the Hon Gentleman does not refer to however is a proposed negotiation with the Sultan... Now we understand that the division proposed by the Noble Admiral may not meet his approval but perhaps he would care to consider a solution in which the Sultan accepts the authority of the Concert in Europe as a starting point? We have not heard England on this proposal. In the matters of europe it makes sense that an outsider should abide by the decisions of the ruling authority and I would suppor such a stipulation in a peace treaty, though I contend the idea that there is any authority when the concert is not in unison.

[Arjos]

OoC: how's the rest of the chapter coming along? And where are France and Prussia? :O

[Franconicus]

Chateaubriand clears his throat and waits until it is silent. Then he raises his voice:

Gentlemen, I am pleased to see that there are some fruitful disussions between the delegates of Russia and England. Maybe I can add something here to accelerate the progress to find a solution.

To Schleswig-Holstein, we heard some good proposals, esp. from Russia, but I think we should not disuss this any further as long as the emissary of Prussia gave us his view.
To the irritation about the Cyprus operation - there seem to be some misunderstandings here, still. The Cyprus operation was carried out by the Greek army to free the island from the Turks. As Cyprus is undoubtably Greek, there should not be any doubt that this operation was in line with the resolutions of the Concert. The Greek monarch asked France for some logistical and military support, which was given immediately. In fact, the support was limited to screen the invasion against the Ottoman Navy and to support the invasion by a small detachment of French elite soldiers. The only target - the liberation of the island - was quickly achieved. and the island i now under control of the Greek monarch. I am sure that this fact finds the agreement and applause of all members of the Concert.
Finally, to secure the island against any counterstrike of the Turks, the Greek monarch asked the Royal French Navy to keep a squad there and therefore ceded a naval base to France. I wonder how anybody could think that this was not in line with the principles or the resolutions of the Concert. And I am really amazed that Austria seems to be worried about. Maybe the Austrian emissary can explain this more in detail.
As I said before, the Cyprus operation had only one goal, to get the island under control of the Greek monarch. No others. There had not been and there is no connection to the war on the Balkans. France had not the intention to join the military operations there nor to stop the delivery of weapons which England had already stopped. In the meantime, the operation is finished and that is all.

So let's turn to the most burning issue, the Balkans. I can understand the anger of London about the war on the Balkans. It is true that it was wrong to start the hostilities without a clear mandate from the concert, wrong and against the resolutions of the concert, regardless if this is a just war or just another war for territorial expansion. So far, France agrees with the position of England. However, the elder statesman Metternich is right, if he says, that one cannot discuss about principle issues while the war is going on. France agrees though witht the view of England that the Concert cannot wait until the war is over to discuss his legitimacy. Therefore we demand that Austria and Russia immediately stop the campaign until they get a mandate from the concert.
Regarding the future of the Balkans, France has not decided yet if it supports the idea of an independant Balkan realm or the division of the Balkans amoung Russia and Austria. Maybe a third option should be considered: Austria and Russia share the Balkans, but Constantinople and the area around remains under the control of the sultan. This would be the best solution for the Dardanelles. Everbody should support the status of the Ottoman Empire on Asia Minor, France could think about sending some of our big cannons for the straits.

[Arjos]

Therefore we demand that Austria and Russia immediately stop the campaign until they get a mandate from the concert.

Wouldn't it be possible for such mandate to be issued by this conference?
With many lives at stake, prolonging the campaign on technicalities will result in deaths that could've been avoided...


Regarding the future of the Balkans, France has not decided yet if it supports the idea of an independant Balkan realm or the division of the Balkans amoung Russia and Austria. Maybe a third option should be considered: Austria and Russia share the Balkans, but Constantinople and the area around remains under the control of the sultan. This would be the best solution for the Dardanelles.

No side has ever stated that Constantinople and the Straits would go to any of the parties. If I may redirect the conference's attention to our proposal:


- to Austria the lands west of the Carpathians and north of the Pindus mountains, with the major centers of Belgrade, Sarajevo, Tirana and Skopje.

- to Russia the lands east of the Carpathians and north of the Rhodopes mountains, with the major centers of Iasi, Bucharest, Sofia and Edirne.

- To Greece the lands south of the Pindus and the Rhodopes mountains, with the major centers of Thessaloniki, Ioannina, Larissa, Cyprus, Crete, Rhodes and the Dodecanese. Would also be a nice gesture and reparation by the British to cede the Ionian Islands.

- Constantinople, Gallipoli and Rhaedestos will become each an independent free city. For these fielding an army would be illegal and will have only a self-defense militia, living under the Concert's protection. All the members will be able to set mercantile companies and embassies there. This ensures complete neutrality and avoids any ruler set in Constantinople to form pacts and alliances or impose trading preferences.


Everbody should support the status of the Ottoman Empire on Asia Minor, France could think about sending some of our big cannons for the straits.

We made that clear already and Russia is willing to consider the possibility of preserving Ottoman presence at the Straits. Provided the Sultan would submit to the Concert's authority.

[Franconicus]

Yes, Admiral, this mandate could be - and has to be - given in this conference. However, I understood - maybe misunderstood - the words of the Austrian delegation as a "let's first finish the Turks and then talk about it". Such a position would be unacceptable for France.
I think that Russia, England and France are close to an agreement. Prussia hasn't particitapted in the discussion.

[Greyblades]

Maybe a third option should be considered: Austria and Russia share the Balkans, but Constantinople and the area around remains under the control of the sultan..

Unacceptable, that is not a third option but Russia's desires minus what few free states he would allow, you seem to have missed the ends of my objections, as the future of the straits is not my point of contention and your alteration take what little merit said desires hold.

[SoFarSoGood]

Maybe the Austrian emissary can explain this more in detail.


It is true that it was wrong to start the hostilities without a clear mandate from the concert...Therefore we demand that Austria and Russia immediately stop the campaign until they get a mandate from the concert.

Certainly I shall explain as requested: Our objection is not against the 'liberation' of Cyprus itself but rather the somewhat flimsy interpretation which the loyal Chateaubriand uses for it's justification; "As Cyprus is undoubtably Greek, there should not be any doubt that this operation was in line with the resolutions of the Concert". Well Cyprus wasn't Greek clearly as otherwise no 'liberation' would have been necessary. I could equally claim "Serbia is clearly Serbian so my operations are clearly in line with the resolutions of the Concert" or "Constantinople is clearly Byzantine" etc etc...

Yet the loyal Vicomte then states that "it was wrong to start the hostilities without a clear mandate from the concert" and demands that our operations cease. Can he not see that the French actions, not that we object to them in themselves, undermine the principle which he proposes should be binding on the Emperor and the Czar?

If Frances actions are not 'wrong' and can be interpreted as "in line with the resolutions of the Concert" then so can those of the Emperor and the Czar so they cannot be 'wrong'. However he cannot claim, upon this principle that one action (Frances) is 'right' and then use the same principle to labels the actions of others 'wrong'.

[Franconicus]

The Austrians only argue to hide their ambitions. How else could they compare Cyprus and Serbia. Hasn't been there several resolutions about Greece. Hasn't the concert agreed that Greek should be liberated and ruled by a king elected by the concert. Has France done anything but to execute this resolution? As france did at Spain, were it gave French blood without any territorial claims?
There is no such resoltion so far for Serbia or any other area on the Balkans.
It seems to me as if Austria is only playing games with the convert to gain time and to get the Balkans as his prey. I think I agree with England if I say that this behavior will bring the concert to an end and will lead to a new war among the members of the concert.

Regarding SH I think we stil have to wait for Prussia. Gentlemen, maybe we should use the time to taste this wine I received today from Bordeaux.

[SoFarSoGood]

The loyal Vicomte asked for an explanation. We have provided one. Now he pushes the point so let me ask: Was Cyprus the 'Greece' that was liberated? Clearly not or the recent actions there would not have been necessary. Yet on his own authority the King of the French liberated Cyprus, as well as happily acquiring a naval base. Were we consulted? Certainly not. We would have supported the effort had we been informed.

M. le Vicomte states that:"There is no such resoltion so far for Serbia or any other area on the Balkans" . Where is our agreement to Cyprus? Does he have a copy of any agreement with any member of the Concert that can show that this was not a unilateral action?

Now we do no rebuke France for this action: You are now at war with Sultan as are we and we welcome the action in itself for this reason. However the principle he wishes to apply to rebuke the Emperor and the Czar for having breached in regard to a larger conflict (and one which will decide the fate of a French naval base in Cyprus) he has must also then be guilty of having breached.

To put the matter as simply as possible: Did we all agree that Cyprus was Greece, should be 'liberated' and a French naval base established there? Clearly not, for even if all others gave their assent to such a scheme Austria was never consulted.

Did all give their consent to 'liberation' of the Balkans? Again clearly not, though certainly ALL were aware. Something that cannot be said for the Cyprus 'deal'.

We merely point out that the principle he wishes to uphold in the one instance must also apply in the secondary instance; as it is M. de Chateaubriand uses the principle "do as I say and not as my Government does".

[King Jan III Sobieski]

I'm dropping out of this. Sorry guys :(.

[Greyblades]

*sigh* Just once I would like to play one of these games for more than 3 turns without the GM giving up.

[SoFarSoGood]

If you can find some other people to take Austria etc I will run it and no disrespect to Jan but I would hope to be different as in better at answering pms etc and economics.

If others are interested in keeping this going we can.

[Kagemusha]

SoFarSoGood. If you are interested at becoming the host.I can take over Austria.

[Arjos]

Argh! Well I'd like this to keep on going...
Maybe Jan can even become a player, so in the end we gain :P

[SoFarSoGood]

I am happy with Kagemusha taking over as Austria and me taking host role if others are... Franc? Greyblades? Arjos? Csargo?

If that ok with all we shall continue from where we are. Metternich will step down as will the Kaiser Ferdinand (as they did after 'revolutions' anyway) so Kagemusha has a free hand with Austria. If there are particular private policies (economic or otherwise) that you have been pursuing (apart from what is mentioned in the two KingJan chapters) you will have one chance to inform me by pm before I give economic details that KingJan was planning to do.

Yes to continue here and then pm me private plans that I need to consider. I will then give details of incomes and project progressions etc before we move on to next set of orders. If that is agreeable to all we can continue.

[Arjos]

Are you going to need our last orders then? Those that Jan still had to publish or he can get them for you?

[SoFarSoGood]

It would be best (for you) if you sent me any information you think relevant before we proceed. Last orders I would think may come in that category unless they are covered by Jan's Chapter 2 update. I don't need to know, for example, Austrian and Russian troop movements before Iasi and Sofia or French movements before Cyprus. I will need to know:

A. Any 'private business': Deals you may have with other countries etc.
B. Total troop numbers (if you have raised new troops or disbanded any) and rough placings. Also where any fleets are.
C. Economic projects/research that has not been mentioned. For example we are all aware of the French gun research and Austrian railway program but Austria (I know because I ordered it) is also researching new cannons which has not been mentioned.

If you wish to keep projects/deals secret that's fine but please say so. Troop dispersal and movements will be 'visible' to others if you have Staff Officers with an ally for example so if Russia has sent a liaison to the Austrian army Russia will be aware of some Austrian movements.

[Franconicus]

*SIGH*
Thanks Jan, for reactivating my game. What a pity, that it only took that long.
Maybe you can play as a faction leader, can you?

Anyway, SFSG as hist is alright to me. I will send you all info as soon as possible. Maybe we could get a summary of budgets, depts and military strengths.

Kage-san, welcome in the game. It is always a honor! :bow:

What about Prussia. Is it still Csarg playing?

[Kagemusha]

Thanks Franc! Absolutely same in regards playing with you.:bow: If others do not have objections against me taking over Austria.Should we assume that we are moving into revolutions of 1848? Maybe best way would be to create a chapter concerning them and then we can move on from there. Or what would be the best solution?

[Arjos]

Absolutely no problem whatsoever for me, I can even get you up to speed regarding Austria if you like :)


what would be the best solution?

Hopefully Jan or SFSG can post the rest of the chapter which should explain everything...

[Greyblades]

I'm fine with SFSG hosting, though I will miss playing with him as an opponant, maybe jan can take on the ottoman empire of kagemusha takes austria?

[SoFarSoGood]

Jan pmed last orders for France and England: I have pmed what I received to check all is good with a few other questions to them. Arjos has updated me on Russia. I shall send my last Austrian estimates to Kagemusha. The Kaiser has stepped down so Austria will now be totally in the hands of Kagemusha.

I am not sure if Csargo is still with us but we may have a new player soon (I'm trying to rope in an old pal from up t' north). When we have questions answered and some confirmation of csargo on/out I can give you some economics and we can resume from there. I hope that's ok.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Jan pmed last orders for France and England: I have pmed what I received to check all is good with a few other questions to them. Arjos has updated me on Russia. I shall send my last Austrian estimates to Kagemusha. The Kaiser has stepped down so Austria will now be totally in the hands of Kagemusha.

I am not sure if Csargo is still with us but we may have a new player soon (I'm trying to rope in an old pal from up t' north). When we have questions answered and some confirmation of csargo on/out I can give you some economics and we can resume from there. I hope that's ok.

OK.... I will come back as Prussia if that is ok. Maybe your friend can take Ottoman Empire or Italy?

[Greyblades]

Would have to be two sicilies, the italians didn't unify until 1870

[Arjos]

Or Piedmont-Sardinia... Let's give Csargo a chance to show up, if he's not around when SoFar is ready to go, Jan will step in :)

[SoFarSoGood]

Csargo has until Saturday morning or Jan takes Prussia as I want to get the economic data this weekend when I have time.

I would advise ALL that troop costs while on campaign will rise to account for campaign expenses: The further from nearest established bases the higher the costs unless you intend to 'live off the land' but logistics cost!

Kagemusha now has Austrian details and I am no longer responsible for Austria.

Regarding Revolutions as Jan said they have started early in Hungary and unoccupied Poland. The year is 1843. Basically all that has gone before so far will continue - Jans Chapters will stand. We shall continue from where it is.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Csargo has until Saturday morning or Jan takes Prussia as I want to get the economic data this weekend when I have time.

I would advise ALL that troop costs while on campaign will rise to account for campaign expenses: The further from nearest established bases the higher the costs unless you intend to 'live off the land' but logistics cost!

Kagemusha now has Austrian details and I am no longer responsible for Austria.

Regarding Revolutions as Jan said they have started early in Hungary and unoccupied Poland. The year is 1843.

If I can not have Prussia, give me the Swiss. They a small nation I can have :).

[Greyblades]

I would have suggested spain myself.

[Franconicus]

Piemont or Denmark or Ottoman, I say! Who needs Switzerland?

[Arjos]

Uhm.. What is exactly "unoccupied Poland"? XD
Austria, Russia and Prussia have parts of it, but there's no free Poland afaik...

[Franconicus]

Hasn't there been Krakau unoccupied for some times?

[Greyblades]

We really need a map.

[Arjos]

Oh yes, the Congress of Vienna made it a free city, thank you Fran! ^^