The Scourge of Ephesus [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 2

Andres

01-09-2009, 23:40

The Scourge of Ephesus - Night 2 - Conclusion

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Ephesus - The Temple of Hadrianus - 1.00 am.

The sound of a whetstone going over blades could be heard.

"When?"

"Patience young one. It will happen soon..."

Hysterical laughter could be heard all over the ancient site. Most tourists woke up by the sound of it. They shivered. Fear got into their minds. When would this nightmare end?

"YOU ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!"

The hysterically laughing man, started to run. He threw a razor sharp sword in the middle of the ancient theater and disappeared again into the shadows.

***

Ephesus, later that night...

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Two shadowy figures walked to the provisional graves of the dead. They both carried shovels.

"I hate this", one of the two men said to his partner.

"We don't have a choice."

They started to dig up the dead bodies of TinCow and 777Ares777.

"That smell! Disgusting!"

"Shut up!", the other one yelled.

He took a sharp knive and started to cut into the bodies.

"It's not there! Damn it!"

"Let's get out of here. Those idiot tourists can burry them again themselves."

Both men ran away.

Without noticing it, one of them lost his gun. It fell next to the bodies.

***

The Scourge of Ephesus - Day 2.

6.00 am

The athletic man woke up early. He wandered around the ancient site. He discovered the sharp blade and took it with him. He walked a bit further, to the graves of the dead and he found both bodies, heavily mutilated, and a gun next to them.

"What a sick bastard! He can't even leave the dead in peace!"

He took the gun and gathered the tourists.

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The remnants of the Artemis temple - 8.00 am.

"Ladies and gentlemen," the man said. "It seems like there were no killings tonight. But we all heard the screaming last night. And I also did a gruesome discovery, earlier this morning. I've found the bodies of TinCow and 777Ares777. Somebody examined them. It seems like the wacko among us is still alive and he can't even let the dead rest in peace."

All of the tourists had a disgusted look on their face.

"Let's burry the bodies again. After we're done with that, we'll start voting again."

A couple of brave men, with strong stomaches, burried the bodies, again.

A new day of accusations and pointing fingers had started...

***

Alive (28)

boudica
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
seireikhaan
Rythmic
shlin28
Tiberius of the Drake
Reenk Roink
White_Eyes :D
Tevashzat
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC
YLC
Sigurd
woad&fangs
Yoyoma1910
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
CountArach
TheFlax
Caius
El Diablo
Glyphz
FactionHeir
Seamus Fermanagh
Ignoramus

Killed (1) :

777Ares777

Lynched (1) :

TinCow

WoG/Suicide (0):

It's day. This phase will last for about 24 hours, until 23.30 (GMT +1).

You can start voting. Good luck :bow:

White_eyes:D

01-09-2009, 23:53

Thank you for posting nothing. I doubt Reenk is Isabella, makes no sense, I see nothing to gain from such a move. Reenk is calculating, and he only takes calculated risks. For a gambit like the one he made to be so poor...I expect more from the Reenkster.

Thank you for posting WIFOM:rolleyes:, every time someone seems to say something that makes some sense....:furious3:

Reenk Roink

01-10-2009, 00:16

Typical that the Reenkukko would be blocked tonight, so sad that he anticipated it in advance anyway. :grin2:

Now I will reanimate TinCow and send my servant with instructions to vote: TevashSzat. A much more constructive use of him than his reasoning about the nature of things so far. :beam:

seireikhaan

01-10-2009, 01:28

Gah! Reenk- :dizzy2:

Is Reenk trying to be lynched? Or experimenting... :wall:

Vote: Reenk

TevashSzat

01-10-2009, 01:28

Okay, vote:Reenk Roink I suggest everyone does the same

Also, whats up with the reanimate?

Reenk Roink

01-10-2009, 01:45

I have an idea, why doesn't the town actually carry out my suggestion FOR ONE ROUND. :idea:

"WIFOM"
"Bernard"
"neutral role"

:rolleyes: :laugh4: ~:flirt:

ULC

01-10-2009, 02:00

Vote: Reenk Roink

If you truly had the towns best interests at heart, you'd actually try to be helpful :shrug:

GeneralHankerchief

01-10-2009, 02:09

Beefy187

01-10-2009, 02:35

Vote: ATPG

I would vote Reenk but I am afraid of him spanking me for doing that in nearly everysingle games. So just to show him how much I care for him, ill go for yet another random vote.

CountArach

01-10-2009, 02:41

Right now this is Loki II. Luckily, it seems like people are being offed at a slow rate, so I say we lynch Reenk, lynch Tevash, and then put Reenk on ignore. It'll cost us time, but I think we can spare it and it'll help us in the long run when we're not distracted.
Hmmm, or we could just put Reenk on ignore now... and lynch Tevash today.

I'll be back later after work to put my 2 cents in.

boudica

01-10-2009, 02:58

Trying to sleep underneath the "maximum super" thorny bush for protection had achieved nothing, for Boudica, other than minimal sleep and maximum bad dreams. Watching the guy known as 'Reenk' run around in circles, with his underpants on his head, had proved a mild panacea from insomnia for a while however, but with that beautiful image full-frontal in her short term memory - she now had to go about her business: Readying yet another breakfast of energy bar crumbled over set yoghurt and try to make some revelationary link from the scribbles on her napkins...

Current Tally

Reenk Roink 3 (seireikhaan, TevashSzat, YLC)

TevashSzat 1 (RR)

ATPG 1 (187Beefyz)

Reenk Roink

01-10-2009, 03:20

Right now this is Loki II. Luckily, it seems like people are being offed at a slow rate, so I say we lynch Reenk, lynch Tevash, and then put Reenk on ignore. It'll cost us time, but I think we can spare it and it'll help us in the long run when we're not distracted.

First, this is not Loki II except maybe superficially, don't turn into a TinCow or YLC with bad theories.

Second, Midgard could have went a lot differently had Loki been listened to by the town, no?

Third, it's extremely poor reasoning to lynch me AND THEN lynch the person I have suggested for a lynch. You don't believe me at all, but better be safe and lynch the guy I say... :rolleyes4:

GeneralHankerchief

01-10-2009, 03:32

First, this is not Loki II except maybe superficially, don't turn into a TinCow or YLC with bad theories.

Second, Midgard could have went a lot differently had Loki been listened to by the town, no?

Third, it's extremely poor reasoning to lynch me AND THEN lynch the person I have suggested for a lynch. You don't believe me at all, but better be safe and lynch the guy I say... :rolleyes4:

1) He said/she said.

2) Or, you could have realized your error and been more clear to avoid this mess in the first place.

3) Actually, it's been a common practice since the early days, especially when there's so much ambiguity involved. I especially subscribe to it, since if there's one thing you should know about me, I always hedge my bets (except in the most drastic of circumstances). Sure, I might not win as much outright, but over time I win more because my losses are minimized. :yes:

Reenk Roink

01-10-2009, 03:46

I'm sorry, but I just think it's awfully presumptive for you and YLC to call my play "poor" or say I made an "error" when you really have no idea what I am or what I am trying to accomplish. I prefer TinCow's method of disagreement to be quite honest, much more agreeable. :yes:

By the way, number 3 completely dodged my question about the reasoning of going after me and then TeveshSzat, instead answering the question of killing both suspicious ones is the best idea. Two pretty unrelated situations.

Edit: As I said I'm not worried about my lynching. I've just got some confirmation.

1) You'll be in for quite a surprise when you attempt it first. :beam:
2) I've clearly accomplished my main goal and at least I hope and think I've in someway accomplished my secondary goal.

By the way, I will never reveal my primary goal and my secondary goal has already been figured out by somebody and maybe I'll make it clear at the end of the game.

Unvote: TevashSzat
Vote: Reenk Roink

Probably won't be following the thread as closely from now on, though I certainly will read the great write ups by Andres :2thumbsup:

GeneralHankerchief

01-10-2009, 04:09

ULC

01-10-2009, 04:10

Unvote: RR
Vote: Tevash

Reenk Roink

01-10-2009, 04:23

And Reenkabassi sent down the tablet with the following mystic words: :stupido:

...the game had it's origins in a time obscured and the peoples soon advanced methodologies for playing it and by doing this they lost sight of the very nature of the game and failed to realize that their methodologies were devoid of the efficacy that the peoples believed the possessed and so when the inscrutable ones were sent to perform their missions their intentions were not understood by the masses and so the inscrutable ones were met with hostility as the peoples being selfish and self centered were only aware of themselves and only believed that the uncertainty and confusion affected themselves as if they lived in a void apart from the rest...

:bow:

Seamus Fermanagh

01-10-2009, 06:18

Reenk:

Unless prohibited by the rules, I think you'll have to do a proper, "old-school" reveal. Your veering humor and sense of being "at play" is likely to get you lynched. If you have more to contribute, you'll probably have to pony up on it if you want to get the chance to exercise your powers.

Otherwise, the town will probably just off you -- even though you may be neutral/vaguely pro-town --- just to reduce ambiguity.

That's what GH is saying. In fact, were ties resolved by a double-lynch, GH would be happy to take out both suspects in a fueding dyad simultaneously -- and GH's not alone.

Ibn-Khaldun

01-10-2009, 10:20

Vote: TevashSzat

Shady character.

Quintus.JC

01-10-2009, 10:28

Vote: Reenk Roink

I'm in agreement with GH, Reenk's reasoning is far too vague, he cannot be completely trusted by town. Tevash hasn't done anything overly suspcious, although Reenk's blunt accusion can't be ignored either.

Ibn-Khaldun

01-10-2009, 10:33

Well.. I planned to vote RR the next time.
Anyway.. I would like to see them lynched just to be sure.

White_eyes:D

01-10-2009, 11:20

Vote: TevashSzat for joining in with YLC and Khaan trying to start a bandwagon ASAP....(one of the guys who voted for Reenk, know something we don't and if they don't share then why vote?:shrug:.....:book:)

BTW, I am a guy who goes off evidence and can't be bothered by WIFOM.....Reenk and how he is acting makes it likely that his lynch well power someone up if he dies......don't lynch him yet..:stare:

Yoyoma1910

01-10-2009, 17:18

Vote: TevashSzat

For possibly being one of them dang terrorists.

*snaps photo of TevashSzat.*

Thermal

01-10-2009, 17:28

Vote: TevashSzat

For possibly being one of them dang terrorists.

*snaps photo of TevashSzat.*

ummm, if you still want a pizza date you will now have to bring not just my body, but the mutilated pieces with you :tongue:

Yoyoma1910

01-10-2009, 17:38

ummm, if you still want a pizza date you will now have to bring not just my body, but the mutilated pieces with you :tongue:

Urgh, no. At least now I know whwere they get the toppings from around here.

Yuck.

Sigurd

01-10-2009, 18:27

I am still interested by what the Reenkster has up his sleeve.
He talks about primary and secondary objectives and that he has completed his secondary objective.
He also claims that he was blocked in a round with no kills ... Does that mean he killed on night 1?

Looking at the writeups it could seem that Ares was killed by Günner and Fehrad depending on how much influence the killers have on their orders.
Why did they dig up the corpse after killing him in the first round?

Maybe Reeink Roink needs to get Tevashzat lynhced to reach a objective?
If that is the case I am game. Anythingto foil the plans of the mafia.
vote:Tevashzat

Tiberius of the Drake

01-10-2009, 18:30

Vote: Reenk Roink

the Vagueness of your posts is both making me suspicious and frustrating me

Thermal

01-10-2009, 18:31

the Vagueness of my posts is both making me suspicious and frustrated about myself

Touche

Quintus.JC

01-10-2009, 19:38

Vote: TevashSzat

For possibly being one of them dang terrorists.

*snaps photo of TevashSzat.*

He could be a member of the PKK :clown:

shlin28

01-10-2009, 20:02

Reenk or Tevash eh?

Vote: Reenk Roink

BANDWAGONNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

glyphz

01-10-2009, 20:02

Vote: TevashSzat
Don't mind giving Reenk Roink a chance to prove himself.

Tally:

TevashSzat :6 - (YLC, Ibn-Khaldun, White Eyes :D, Sigurd, Yoyoma1910, glyphz)

Reenk Roink: 5 - (RR, seireikhaan, TS, Tiberius of the Drake, Quintus.JC)

Askthepizzaguy: 1 - (187Beefyz)

shlin28

01-10-2009, 20:06

Tally:

TevashSzat :6 - (YLC, Ibn-Khaldun, White Eyes :D, Sigurd, Yoyoma1910, glyphz)

Reenk Roink: 6 - (RR, seireikhaan, TS, Tiberius of the Drake, Quintus.JC, shlin28)

Askthepizzaguy: 1 - (187Beefyz)

I don't think RR deserves a chance :no:

TevashSzat

01-10-2009, 20:19

Okay guys, it seems that you guys somehow STILL TRUSTS WHAT REENK SAYS and I may be lynched. Rather than give Reenk another night to do whatever he may does,

I hereby request to Andres that I will suicide this round if at all possible. There, now why don't you guys all go off and lynch Reenk?

glyphz

01-10-2009, 20:26

Eh?
Aren't you being a little hasty about this? :inquisitive:
You're not even guaranteed to be the one lynched this round...

shlin28

01-10-2009, 20:32

I think Tevash suiciding is not hasty at all, it will prove Tevash's innocenness and show us that Reenk is completely wrong and untrustworthy, so I think it is worth it.

glyphz

01-10-2009, 20:36

~:handball:

Well, it is TevashSzat's decision...:shrug:

Reenk Roink

01-10-2009, 20:47

Ok, so apparently some old man woke me up and told me some stories which were boring and so I fell asleep. Thanks old man, I needed the nap. :bow:

Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: TevashSzat

It seems that some Ephesusites are more open minded and willing to give me a chance. Thank you. :bow:

Although I feel I have completed what I had to do, as long as I can live I can do a little more (perhaps get lucky and get the third objective done). :2thumbsup:

I realize that there is an adverse effect of me staying alive with all the people saying I'm "confusing" and "ambiguous" and latching on to those to vote against me as an excuse for not having any good reasons but hey, you gotta live with it. :shrug:

Also, shilin28, how does TevashSzat suicide at all prove him innocent and thus prove me wrong? He was going to get lynched anyway...

shlin28

01-10-2009, 20:57

Although I feel I have completed what I had to do, as long as I can live I can do a little more (perhaps get lucky and get the third objective done). :2thumbsup:

So why did you vote yourself in the first place?

Also, shilin28, how does TevashSzat suicide at all prove him innocent and thus prove me wrong? He was going to get lynched anyway...

Why would a mafia scum (you accused him of being one) want to die to prove a point? Him willing to suicide definitely shows his innocene IMO.

Let's lynch RR people! :devilish:

Quintus.JC

01-10-2009, 21:05

Why would a mafia scum (you accused him of being one) want to die to prove a point? Him willing to suicide definitely shows his innocene IMO.

That's not always the case.

Let's lynch RR people! :devilish:

Sooner or later at this rate, his playing style puzzles me, it is unwise for a mafia to be this much blunt and attention seeking, but I'm not taking any chances.

White_eyes:D

01-10-2009, 21:42

Yeah, right now Reenk has too much suspicion on him.....he is going to die sooner or later....but I would rather wait till later....(I mean with how he is acting he is just asking to be lynched...Pro or not....:no:)

BTW, if anyone comes up with anymore WIFOM.....they should be lynched.....*hint YLC hint*:clown:

TheFlax

01-10-2009, 23:56

I'm more or less undecided, but willing to give Reenk Roink a chance. Mostly curious to see what he'll do, even though some of his post have been confusing. So, unless I'm convinced of the contrary before the lynching...

Vote: TevashSzat

Andres

01-11-2009, 00:00

Voting concluded.

Stand by for execution.

Ibn-Khaldun

01-11-2009, 00:11

Voting concluded.

Stand by for execution.

Gah! Just when I thought that I could change my vote! :shame:

Thermal

01-11-2009, 00:13

And RR changes his vote last minute to save himself, HOW NOBLE! :juggle2:

I EMPHASISE I HAVE NEVER DONE THE SAMENEVEREVERever...:sweatdrop:

Andres

01-11-2009, 00:25

The Scourge of Ephesus - Day 2 - Conclusion

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The remnants of the Artemis temple - 8.00 pm.

The tourists didn't know what to do.

Some pointed fingers at a certain Reenk Roink.

"Look at him, with his fancy Emporio Armani sunglasses and his LaCoste T-Shirt. And look at that 2.000 $ camera. What an attention seeker! Let's kill him, please! Even if he's not scum, he's a pain in the..."

"No!" said Reenk Roink said. "It's not me you want, it's him!"

The tourists grew silent again.

Tevashzat looked up.

"What? Who? Me? Are you guys crazy?"

The tourists didn't like being called crazy.

"No! We're not crazy! You are! You psychopatic maniac! You evil killer!"

The crowd came near. Some picked up rocks and were at the point of throwing them.

"Stop! Stop it!"

The tourists looked at the athletic man.

"Not like yesterday. Come on. We're not savages! If we're going to lynch everybody the way we did with that last guy, then whoever survives this madness, will be as crazy as the ones we're after."

The man unsheethed a blade.

"He has a blade! He must be the maniac!"

"Shut up! Listen, I found this near the place were that horrible sound came from yesterday."

He drew a gun out of his pocket.

"And I found this near the mutilated corpses."

The man stared at Tevashzat.

"Mister, it seems like you're the one to die today. What do you prefer? The gun or the blade?"

"That's not a choice!" Tevashzat looked around him. He saw angry faces, filled with rage. But underneath that rage, he also saw despair.

"You are all as desperate as me. I don't want you people to have nightmares about killing me."

He turned to the athletic man.

"Give that gun to me. I'll end my life myself. No need to traumatise yourself by killing me."

"Don't give him the gun," several tourists yelled. "He'll kill us all!"

"Oh come on! How much bullets are there in that gun? 6? Maybe 8? I can't kill all of you by myself. Give me the gun! I'll end this myself."

Tevaszhat walked towards the athletic man.

"Easy now," the man said. "We can do this civilised or..."

Tevashzat jumped forward. Fast as lightning however, the man turned. The blade caught the sun and with a golden blow, it decapacitated Tevashzat.

Covered in blood, his executioner turned himself to the remaining tourists.

"He was quick. Maybe he was indeed a dangerous fellow. Let's go to sleep. Hopefully this nightmare has ended now."

He turned his back and walked away.

A few tourists walked to the body.

"Whoever he was, the least we can do is burry him."

"Indeed," another tourist said.

***

Tally

Tevashzat : 8 (Reenk Roink, White_Eyes:D, YLC, Sigurd, Yoyoma1910, Ibn-Khaldun, TheFlax, glyphz) :skull:

Reenk Roink: 5 ('khaan, shlin28, Tiberius of the Drake, Tevashzat, Quintus.JC)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (187Beefyz)

Not voted: 14 (boudica, GH, Jolt, Rythmic, Chaotix27, ATPG, w&f, Lord Winter, CountArach, Caius, El Diablo, FactionHeir, Seamus, Ignoramus)

***

Alive (27)

boudica
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
seireikhaan
Rythmic
shlin28
Tiberius of the Drake
Reenk Roink
White_Eyes :D
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC
YLC
Sigurd
woad&fangs
Yoyoma1910
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
CountArach
TheFlax
Caius
El Diablo
Glyphz
FactionHeir
Seamus Fermanagh
Ignoramus

Killed (1) :

777Ares777

Lynched (2) :

TinCow
Tevashzat

WoG/Suicide (0):

It's now night. This phase will last for about 23 hours, until 23.30 (GMT +1). PM's please.

Note : I will only accept suicides from people who want to leave the game because they can no longer participate. Asking to be suicided to avoid getting lynched will not be accepted :bow:

TevashSzat

01-11-2009, 03:18

Meh, still got lynched.

Anyways, will everyone please go lynch Reenk the next round?

Thermal

01-11-2009, 03:42

why? you look like you could be mafia after that :shrug:

also it's TevashSzat
not hard to miss but saves OCD attacks :yes:

Reenk Roink

01-11-2009, 04:02

And RR changes his vote last minute to save himself, HOW NOBLE! :juggle2:

I EMPHASISE I HAVE NEVER DONE THE SAMENEVEREVERever...:sweatdrop:

It was always my plan to keep my vote on myself until I could be sure I would be able to do something with it. I just love to be the deciding factor in all things! :beam:

The TevashSzat lynch speaks for itself and also, I got this in the PM's right now and thought I would share:

If you want Tevash lynched, I suggest you give me a good damn reason why I should not just change my vote and HAVE you lynched? The round is nearing an end, and I can decide this whole thing I want, during the day OR night if I want.

I laughed at this for a bit and I think there's a good chance he's lying about the night thing (I say bring it if you can :yes:) but hey, the town seems to love the "best be safe" way of thinking. :laugh4:

Oh, Zombie TinCow, please inform the good YLC that his vote change wouldn't have had any effect either. :laugh4:

White_eyes:D

01-11-2009, 04:42

It was always my plan to keep my vote on myself until I could be sure I would be able to do something with it. I just love to be the deciding factor in all things! :beam:

The TevashSzat lynch speaks for itself and also, I got this in the PM's right now and thought I would share:

I laughed at this for a bit and I think there's a good chance he's lying about the night thing (I say bring it if you can :yes:) but hey, the town seems to love the "best be safe" way of thinking. :laugh4:

Oh, Zombie TinCow, please inform the good YLC that his vote change wouldn't have had any effect either. :laugh4:

Hey, don't take the fact that many changed there vote as we trust you:no:.....If anything we should be more careful of you.....since we have no idea when you will turn scummy(or start killing..)...heck, maybe your even the main SK/Mafia....I just can see the lynch scene as something like this....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C65oaIHsdYM (And it is sort of disturbing so....watch if you dare).....:clown:

shlin28

01-11-2009, 11:44

Bah, I still think RR needs to be killed.

Quintus.JC

01-11-2009, 11:59

Bah, I still think RR needs to be killed.

I think the same, but I'm more willing to listen to RR after the lynching round.

I know nobody is blind, but I'll point out this obvious quote anyway.

"He was quick. Maybe he was indeed a dangerous fellow. Let's go to sleep. Hopefully this nightmare has ended now."

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe he was indeed mafia, but it seems that Tevash definitely had some role.

TevashSzat

01-11-2009, 13:49

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe he was indeed mafia, but it seems that Tevash definitely had some role.

Again guys, no role at all there. Reenk is just playing with all of you

Quintus.JC

01-11-2009, 14:10

Again guys, no role at all there. Reenk is just playing with all of you

Maybe, maybe not. But I know I would be pretty upset if I were innocent and lynched for little reason apart from a vaguely accusation such as one made by Reenk.

TinCow

01-11-2009, 15:17

Oh, Zombie TinCow, please inform the good YLC that his vote change wouldn't have had any effect either. :laugh4:

He's right, YLC. Voting for yourself when you're one of the candidates for lynching does have the added benefit of allowing you to dramatically change the vote count at the last minute if it's close.

Bah, I still think RR needs to be killed.

I'm actually not so sure after that lynch write-up. TevashSzat is specifically described by Andres as being abnormally quick. It could just be colorful writing, but it could also indicate a role. As unlikely as it seems, it is possible that RR is a detective and by sheer good luck happened to investigate TevashSzat on night one. He may have then concocted this absurd neutral role as a means to be able to speak publicly without getting instantly whacked by the mafia.

Then again, he could also be mafia or just a normal townie screwing with us. I would hold off on a lynch at the moment. The best thing to do is to let RR live for the time being and investigate him at random sometime in the next 1-3 turns.

White_eyes:D

01-11-2009, 16:26

I'm actually not so sure after that lynch write-up. TevashSzat is specifically described by Andres as being abnormally quick. It could just be colorful writing, but it could also indicate a role. As unlikely as it seems, it is possible that RR is a detective and by sheer good luck happened to investigate TevashSzat on night one. He may have then concocted this absurd neutral role as a means to be able to speak publicly without getting instantly whacked by the mafia.

Then again, he could also be mafia or just a normal townie screwing with us. I would hold off on a lynch at the moment. The best thing to do is to let RR live for the time being and investigate him at random sometime in the next 1-3 turns.

hmm.....no, he is going to wait I still think he has a partner.....which all Reenk has to do is catch our attention.:shrug: IF he is Mafia/SK that is......( maybe it will be Reenk's turn to be thrown under the bus?:laugh4:)

Thermal

01-11-2009, 16:58

Maybe, maybe not.

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe

MAYBE you should make up your mind! :clown:

Caius

01-11-2009, 18:00

MAYBE you should make up your mind! :clown:
:laugh4:

Sorry people, just arrived home. I posted in the Frontroom some days ago, that should explain it.

Quintus.JC

01-11-2009, 18:17

MAYBE you should make up your mind! :clown:

Maybe I should, on second thought; maybe I shouldn't...

Andres

01-11-2009, 23:36

The Scourge of Ephesus - Night 3 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Efeze-latrines.jpg

The latrines - 1.00 am.

White_Eyes:D couldn't sleep. Nature called...

As the excellent history student he is, he knew that there are also some old latrines that are well preserved, here in Ephesus.

Allthough he knew very well that they were out of order since more then 1000 years, he figured he could as well get to know how it felt to be a real Roman, including the more trivial matters of ancient life.

And so he went to the latrines.

Sitting there, with his trousers on his feet, he didn't notice a shady figure coming near.

"Wow, I for one would not like to be found dead like that,' a voice whispered.

"Me neither," White_Eyes:D said with a smile. He was a man who could appreciate some very dark humour.

"What a pity," the other man said, "because that's exactly what's going to happen."

Before he could realise what those last words implied, two bullets from a silenced gun ended his life.

***

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Artemis.jpg

The statute of Artemis - 1.15 am.

Hysterical laughter could be heard.

"It's a fake! It's fake! And all those stupid tourists pose next to it, want a picture next to a fake statue! Idiots!"

One blow destroyed the statue.

***

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Ephesusbynight.jpg

The City of Ephesus - 2.00 am

The night was cooler than usual and Reenk Roink took a stroll among the ruins to contemplate on the latest events. He backed up to pillar and lit a cigarette.

"Ah this is a nice place. No wonder the ancients decided to build a city here".

He gazed up on the stars and saw the constellation Hercules. But something was amiss. The star Sarin was not there and neither was Rasalgethi. He looked intently at the star field looking for the missing stars. A voice boomed: "So, you finally noticed me".

A shadowy figure jumped down from a pillar just below the constellation and approached him. "I guess you want to know if I have the package. I am sorry to say that for you I have something else of value".

Reenk Roink asked perplexed, "And what might that be"?

The man drew something from atop his left shoulder and before Reenk Roink could utter another word, he felt a sharing pain in his throat. He fell to the ground feeling tired and as his life force ebbed out from the gash in his throat, the shadow bent down and whispered in his ear.

"Your life".

The man calmly walked away.

***

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Efese-Artemis.jpg

The Remnants of the Artemis temple - 3.00 am

TheFlax couldn't sleep and so she walked back to the place where they had last gathered.

Staring at the new grave, she couldn't stop thinking about her long lost lover.

"Oh, why, oh why did I ever leave you, my love. I still love you, yet I decided to stop seeing you. I hate myself now, I really do. And on top of that, I'm in the middle of this mess. Oh, only the stars and the moon know how much I want to leave this place."

"That can be arranged," a man, standing in the shadow of a nearby pillar said.

"Huh? What? Who are you? Are you here to rescue us?"

"Define "rescue"", the man said, slowly walking to TheFlax.

"Well, take us to a place, far away from here, where we can forget whatever happened here."

The man laughed.

"In that case, yes, I'm here to rescue you."

He raised his arm, the moon shined onto the silenced gun.

Two bullets ended yet another life.

The man put away his gun and left the scene.

***

The Scourge of Ephesus - Day 3.

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Efese-Hadrianus.jpg

The temple of Hadrianus - 9.30 am

The tourists gathered at the ancient temple. They found an old man. He was staring at an undefined point before him.

"I have found three bodies this morning. Three! That fine lad, what's his name, the history student, White_Eyes:D, I found him dead in the latrines. Somehow, his killer deemed it funny to put his dead body on the latrines, with his trousers on his feet. What a sick joke, everybody knows the boy knew that those latrines were out of order! He would never disgrace the ancient heritage of Turkey!"

The old man shakes his head and continues:

"Then I also found Reenk Roink. Somebody slit his throat with something sharp. The poor man died instantly, so it seems. His Armani glasses and his expensive camera were lying next to him, in a pool of blood."

The man sighed.

"And I also found the body of TheFlax, two bullets in the head, lying in her own blood! And if you think that's not enough, they also destroyed the statue of Artemis!"

The old man started to yell and to scream.

"Calm down, friend, please," the younger, athletic tourist said.

The old man slowly came to his senses again.

"Guess we still have to find us some bad guys..."

"Indeed, we do," the other one said, a grim expression on his face.

***

Alive (24)

boudica
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
seireikhaan
Rythmic
shlin28
Tiberius of the Drake
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC
YLC
Sigurd
woad&fangs
Yoyoma1910
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
CountArach
Caius
El Diablo
Glyphz
FactionHeir
Seamus Fermanagh
Ignoramus

Killed (4) :

777Ares777
TheFlax
White_Eyes :D
Reenk Roink

Lynched (2) :

TinCow
Tevashzat

WoG/Suicide (0):

It's now day. You can start voting.

Day will last for +/- 24 hours (until 23.30 GMT+1).

Good luck :bow:

Thermal

01-11-2009, 23:45

why on earth kill reenk when he was in prime position to be lynched this round anyway, maybe his role was so good that they couldnt run the risk :inquisitive: or just to put tevashszat into trouble, dont think obviously now, tevashszat has probably been framed here

TevashSzat

01-11-2009, 23:47

Thermal

01-11-2009, 23:49

Umm yeah.......I was lynched last round. Anyways, good riddance that someone killed Reenk already.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! you still could have been framed from the dead sssssshhhhh :clown:

Beefy187

01-12-2009, 00:34

My guesses are that Reenk was killed by a vigilante as the weapon of their choice was just a sharp object. Camera lying next to him shows that he was likely to be a townie.

Other then that i'm lost. :shame:

Reenk Roink

01-12-2009, 01:05

That I have been killed (by Mafia most likely) means that the second objective was incredibly successful! :2thumbsup: :laugh4:

Really, the tablet (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2103141&postcount=275) I sent down explains everything.

I wish you luck town, I have been with you from the start. :bow:

El Diablo

01-12-2009, 01:06

Why the destruction of the Statue of Artemis?

What could the significance of that be?

Seamus Fermanagh

01-12-2009, 02:03

We're awash in clues...we shall need to begin removing the dross.

Stories make me sleepy.

Suggestions:

1 of you dig into the statue, any connection to tourists or other history references to think on.

1 of you run through the killings and assess knife/gun etc. methodology (#killers, MO's, vigilantes?) etc.

1 of you cobble up the lists of those voting for murder victims

1 of you think about the grave/burial/corpse desecration references a bit and collect the info on that

GeneralHankerchief

01-12-2009, 02:11

Vote: Abstain

School started up again. As such, my time diminishes. Will look at things tomorrow.

Yoyoma1910

01-12-2009, 02:44

Beefy187

01-12-2009, 03:00

Ill do option 3.

Give me 4 hours though

Yoyoma1910

01-12-2009, 04:50

Alright, so what do y'all want to know?

Beefy187

01-12-2009, 06:26

Following four are the murder victims

777Ares777 (Shot to death)
TheFlax (Shot to death)
White_Eyes :D (Shot to death)
Reenk Roink (Killed by a knife)

Voting Round 1

TinCow : 7 (GH, shlin28, Reenk Roink, White_Eyes:D, Tevashzat, FactionHeir, Ignoramus)

Tevashzat : 6 (Quintus.JC, YLC, Sigurd, Yoyoma, TinCow, Seamus Fermanagh)
Reenk Roink : 2 (Jolt, El Diablo)

boudica : 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Jolt : 1 (boudica)
White_Eyes:D : 1 (Caius)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 (187Beefyz)
YLC : 1 (CountArach)
Ibn-Khaldun : 1 (woad&fangs)
Lord Winter: 1 (TheFlax)
Caius: 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
El Diablo: 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir: 1 (glyphz)

Not voted : 4 ('khaan, Rythmic, Askthepizzaguy, Lord Winter)

Voting Round 2
Tevashzat : 8 (Reenk Roink, White_Eyes:D, YLC, Sigurd, Yoyoma1910, Ibn-Khaldun, TheFlax, glyphz)

Reenk Roink: 5 ('khaan, shlin28, Tiberius of the Drake, Tevashzat, Quintus.JC)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (187Beefyz)

Not voted: 14 (boudica, GH, Jolt, Rythmic, Chaotix27, ATPG, w&f, Lord Winter, CountArach, Caius, El Diablo, FactionHeir, Seamus, Ignoramus)

.................................................................................................... ..................................................................................

Beefy187

01-12-2009, 06:39

Forgive me for double posting (someone save me). But heres what I got so far

-White_Eyes, Reenk on both day and Flax on day 2 has joined the main bandwagonning. Which suggest
the killer hates bandwagoners or just don't know how to play-> WIFOM don't even bother arguing.

-Rythmic, ATPG and Lord winter has not voted in two rounds. Which suggest that ATPG is away. iirc Lord Winter is less active when he has a townie role. But its dangerous to assume so until he is wogged. Rythmic... I don't know where he is off to.

-Round 2 has a lot more people who didn't make it to vote..

-Night 3 had 3 players killed. iirc night 2 had none.. Mafia recruited a few on night 2 perhaps.

-As Night 1 victim, Ares was killed with a gun, original mafia seems to have silencer pistols. Knife killer could be either new comers or vigilante.

- All killers are.. rather funny. I guess thats just Andres adding some flavors in the write up.

- Reenk was voted by Jolt & El Diablo on first day. The two didn't vote him on the second.

- .... Argh. Not much clues yet

Reenk Roink

01-12-2009, 07:13

Following four are the murder victims

777Ares777 (Shot to death)
TheFlax (Shot to death)
White_Eyes :D (Shot to death)
Reenk Roink (Killed by a knife)

Ok, so it seems I was killed by a knife whereas every other kill has occurred with a gun.

Keep in mind that YLC sent me this OM which I revealed earlier:

If you want Tevash lynched, I suggest you give me a good damn reason why I should not just change my vote and HAVE you lynched? The round is nearing an end, and I can decide this whole thing I want, during the day OR night if I want.

At first I didn't really believe him, and thought he was bluffing, but the different style of kill with the issue of the Mafia actually wanting to kill me lends credence to a theory of me being murdered by YLC.

A good fallback plan is for you go ahead and lynch him tonight if your other leads do not show up. Perhaps give him a chance to explain. Maybe he is a poorly guided vigilante who could still serve some use to the town.

ULC

01-12-2009, 07:18

Ok, so it seems I was killed by a knife whereas every other kill has occurred with a gun.

At first I didn't really believe him, and thought he was bluffing, but the different style of kill with the issue of the Mafia actually wanting to kill me lends credence to a theory of me being murdered by YLC.

A good fallback plan is for you go ahead and lynch him tonight if your other leads do not show up. Perhaps give him a chance to explain. Maybe he is a poorly guided vigilante who could still serve some use to the town.

I am guided by my own conscience, and I do what I think is best, nothing more. Maybe, if you had tried to explain things in a more concise way, certain actions need not have been taken. Whether you were pro-town or not does not matter, your Loki behavior only made you as good as a mafioso.

Also, it is "lynch him today", lynches do not take place during the night :laugh4:

Beefy187

01-12-2009, 07:25

YLC seems to be on the towns side. At worst SK. Probably a Vigilante
I'm not going to vote for YLC this phase

Jolt

01-12-2009, 11:29

- Reenk was voted by Jolt & El Diablo on first day. The two didn't vote him on the second.

On my defence, I'm never on weekends, Thus why I didn't vote for lynch. Also, it basically practically proves I'm not from the Mafia (Since most Mafia guys decided to kill this night).

Anyways, can we lynch the athletic guy? He gets on my nerves. >_>

EDIT: As further proof, if you check the MTW Game, I also didn't participate there. :P

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 11:35

Ok I finally made it here to vote. I was not here all during the night phase, there may have been fewer kills because of that. And this is a very good thing.

Look, guys, I know either you will lynch me, or mafia will kill me when you don't. I'm as good as toast so I won't bother defending myself. What I am asking is that you let me live, long enough to prove that it isn't me that's killing at night. My predictable attendance on the internet absolutely confirms that I cannot kill at night, which means that mafia will be FORCED to kill me. I think this is a good thing, as I'll be one of the few confirmed innocents.

The mafia may choose to keep me alive, as well, sort of insinuating that I'm guilty of something. But it won't be a convincing ploy if the kill rate goes up. In order to imply I am guilty, they must refrain from killing at their full potential, which is also good for town. The sooner they kill me, the better.

So, they will leave a confirmed innocent person alive, or kill me. In any case, you don't have to lynch me, and they will waste a turn killing me.

It's also possible I have a role besides one of the two mafia (I don't), so they have additional reasons to kill me, as do you. I suggest humbly that you employ the strategy of forcing them to kill me, simply to use me as a human shield. I am grateful to die for town.

If they leave me alive, you can choose to investigate me randomly, which again forces them to kill me.

If I am missing something from this proposed strategy, feel free to tell me. And if you really feel like defending me, go ahead, you may stop another kill. But I also know this entire post, and my behavior thusfar, can and will be interpreted by you as a WIFOM strategy to live. I promise you, I will die before the end of the game, and I can basically guarantee that I won't be here at night, thus making me murder bait.

CountArach

01-12-2009, 12:36

Sorry people, but this has been an absolutely hectic week at work (We are getting an evaluation by the regional second in command on Saturday, hence I am busy helping to clean the store) and I've had other social things going on at the same time. I haven't had a chance to keep up with the game - though I will as soon as I get a chance.

As such Vote: Abstain

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 12:46

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 12:52

On my defence, I'm never on weekends, Thus why I didn't vote for lynch. Also, it basically practically proves I'm not from the Mafia (Since most Mafia guys decided to kill this night).

Anyways, can we lynch the athletic guy? He gets on my nerves. >_>

EDIT: As further proof, if you check the MTW Game, I also didn't participate there. :P

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2099096#post2099096 (1/4)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2098677#post2098677 (1/3)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2094075#post2094075 (12/28)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2093686#post2093686 (12/27)

Explain how I've just proven you were online, not only online, but posting in this forum, on both days of two consecutive weekends.

Why, if you are a townie, would you post such a blatant lie?

FactionHeir

01-12-2009, 13:08

Sorry for not contributing much, caught a nasty cold.
For the time being: vote:abstain until I find time to read the thread.

TinCow

01-12-2009, 13:12

-Rythmic, ATPG and Lord winter has not voted in two rounds. Which suggest that ATPG is away. iirc Lord Winter is less active when he has a townie role. But its dangerous to assume so until he is wogged. Rythmic... I don't know where he is off to.

Lord Winter is not mafia. He was away for all of last week. While he was away, there was a triple night kill. This almost certainly accounts for all starting mafia roles. While he could be recruitable or otherwise scumtastic in some other fashion, it would be a waste of time to focus on him now.

-Night 3 had 3 players killed. iirc night 2 had none.. Mafia recruited a few on night 2 perhaps.

Unlikely. In the first game they first had to investigate to find the person, then they had to recruit them. This takes time and it assumes that the mafia were spot in in their first night investigation. This is not probable. It is far more likely that the mafia families chose to kill at their full strength for the first time. In the first game, there were 3 starting mafioso, 2 in one family, and 1 in another. These three kills would account for them.

-As Night 1 victim, Ares was killed with a gun, original mafia seems to have silencer pistols. Knife killer could be either new comers or vigilante.

Or the 1 man mafia family.

Argh. Not much clues yet

That's fine, there's not usually that much by this point. My advice: start hounding the veteran players who are lurking. GH, Seamus, Sigurd, Rythmic, seireikhaan, and FactionHeir should all be much more active than this. Start moving to lynch them to get them to speak up in their own defense. The game will be better off with them vocal, regardless of whether they are mafia or town.

Ibn-Khaldun

01-12-2009, 14:54

Taking the list that TinCow proposed..

My advice: start hounding the veteran players who are lurking. GH, Seamus, Sigurd, Rythmic, seireikhaan, and FactionHeir

.. I Vote: seireikhaan

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 14:57

boudica

01-12-2009, 15:11

Sorry for not contributing much, caught a nasty cold.
For the time being: vote:abstain until I find time to read the thread.

Being online is about the only thing I CAN do when I have a nasty cold (maybe man-flu IS different after all :laugh4:) So I'll take the ghost of TinCows' advice and "vote-a-vet" in order to bring them out of lurkdom.

Vote: Factionheir (until he has contributed further about who I should vote for instead)

TinCow

01-12-2009, 15:25

Vote: Rythmic

Until I can come up with someone better. He does lurk when he's mafia. Not sure about his townie credentials but I don't particularly agree with a lurking townie approach. Allows the lurker mafia to blend in.

In previous games I have played in, Rythmic has been an extremely useful townie. He and Seamus have consistently provided some of the best analysis of the evidence. I don't know what he is usually like, since I've still only played a handful of games with him, but in my experience Rythmic is very useful when he is active.

That said, some of the people I listed above could be silent simply because they haven't been on the forums. I am staying away from checking profiles because Mods have the ability to see extra info in profiles that is unfair to know for mafia games (such as seeing people who are invisible). However, the same is not true for most of you. If someone could report back on the last date of activity for all living players in this game, it would be very useful. If a profile says nothing, it's because the person is marked down as invisible.

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 15:28

Rythmic is an excellent player. That's why his inactivity/lurkishness is a slap in the face of townies like me.

:laugh2:

A bit over the top? Tone it down, pizza lord. Right, right.

Still anxiously awaiting Jolt's response... because I'm bursting in my pants to see the explanation :grin:

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 15:34

User Name / Number Posts
Askthepizzaguy 39
YLC 34
777Ares777 32
TinCow 31
Reenk Roink 29
Andres 16
Yoyoma1910 14
GeneralHankerchief 13
CountArach 13
187Beefyz 12
White_eyes:D 12
shlin28 10
Quintus.JC 10
TevashSzat 9
Ibn-Khaldun 8
El Diablo 7
boudica 7
glyphz 6
Jolt 6
Caius 5
Tiberius of the Drake 5
seireikhaan 4
Sigurd 4
Seamus Fermanagh 4
FactionHeir 3
TheFlax 3
Lord Winter 2
Chaotix27 2
woad&fangs 2
Ignoramus 2
Rythmic 1

Lurker report. Activity report not done yet. If we start accusing those at the bottom, eventually the mafia scum will float to the top of our little pond. In the meantime, we can analyze the posting patterns, behavior, and activity of the people at the top of the list.

At least, that's what I will be doing after I sign off today. Firefox will save this thread for me to analyze over the next 2 days.

We can still spook the lurker mafia into posting.

---------------------------------

Killed (4) :

777Ares777
TheFlax
White_Eyes :D
Reenk Roink

Lynched (2) :

TinCow
Tevashzat

Dead peoples.

Activity report:

Rythmic
signed up. Been inactive since. Wog bait.

Ignoramus
Last Activity: Today 06:53

Voted first round, has not participated since. LURKER!!!!

If you're a townie, don't come back! :laugh2: Or, come back and explain yourself. But we still might lynch you. For now, I leave you as WOG bait.

woad&fangs
Last Activity: Yesterday 22:39

Busy at the moment. Does this necessarily mean he's lurking?
His only active post was a random vote. Smells lurky. WOG bait for now.

chaotix27
Last Activity: Yesterday 21:36

Is usually a good mafia contributor. Smells lurky. WOG bait for now.

Lord Winter:
Voluntarily dropped from the game. Is he in the game or not? If he comes back, perhaps he should be investigated. For now, WOG bait.

TheFlax:
Dead

FactionHeir:

Invisible Mode. Not scummy in and of itself, but makes activity tracking impossible.
Showed up right around the same time we decided to look at the lurking veterans. Just afterwards in fact. How convenient. His explanation could be legit (in which case, I'm sorry) but otherwise... it could be a cover for his lurking mafia behavior.

Seamus Fermanagh:

Moderator/Invisible. Veteran player. Made a couple observations, and voted for Tevash who may have been guilty. Possibly to distance himself? Possibly because he's a townie? I have no idea. But a veteran like him will not give away something so obvious... the fact that he's not posting more puzzles me. But... I can't say I suspect him yet.

Sigurd

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2101628&postcount=162
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2103490&postcount=284
These were his meaningful contributions.

Do they have meaning, or are they a bluff? More would be nice from him.

Seireikhaan

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2103053&postcount=262

Invisible. His sole contribution, and it came later in the game. Not much from him. But his style is inscrutable.

Tiberius of the Drake

Invisible. Voted for Boudica and Reenk Roink only, and did not give much explanation. A good minimum contribution, for a potential mafia.

Caius
Invisible. Of course. Sensing a pattern?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2104295&postcount=315
He's had since noon yesterday to follow up on this odd post. He's made several comments, some inquisitive (points in his favor) but none of them long-winded, which makes it easier to blend into the background.

Jolt:
Last Activity: Today 05:50
I've already questioned his behavior in this thread. Not a happy camper until he explains how he could possibly have been so mistaken.

Look at his posting style. His votes seem thoughtless, and his words undermine his innocence. No offense Jolt, and nothing personal. Indeed, I enjoy your posting outside of this game. In this one, you're just making me suspicious of you.

Glyphz
Last Activity: Today 01:53
Voted for TinCow = Bad. Voted for TevashSzat = Neutral, for now.
Seems to be trying to contribute. I can't fault him yet.

Boudica
Last Activity: Today 09:20
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2105037&postcount=343
Most recent activity. Seems to be contributing. Following the advice of Tincow is a good way to blend in if you're mafia. However, there is nothing inherently dangerous-looking about her contributions so far. She is either coolly posting like a mafia veteran, or she's legitimately roleplaying a little and acting cool as a cucumber. My spidey senses aren't tingling... yet.

El Diablo
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2105037&postcount=343
Most recent activity. He's a mafia veteran by now, and appears to be contributing. What is odd is that he posts a question, and leaves.
Last Activity: Yesterday 22:18
He did leave enough time for people to answer his question. But I don't like the fact that he was here, made a little comment, and did no further contribution or analysis. It's the perfect little low-key kind of behavior that mafia tend to use to avoid suspicion.

Ibn-Khaldun
Mmm... just the right amount of short posts and random votes to appear to be a townie. Such a low-key presence. No one even notices him, I suspect. He's also going along with the lynch-the-lurking-veterans plan unquestioningly. Still... there's nothing there that's concrete. Nothing there to clear him. I can't even ask him to post more. I would ask that he talk more when he does post. I want to know what's going on inside that brain of yours... the more you talk, the more we hear the way you think. If it doesn't add up, then we can prosecute you. This style of play makes it difficult to do that.
Moving on...

Tevash-
Dead. Smells fishy too. But I can't talk bad about the guy... he nominated me for something! :heart:

Quintus.JC
Last Activity: Yesterday 16:04
Seems like he's mafia in every game that he's in! But really, he's not, just the last several. I hate to play the numbers game though.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2102701&postcount=236
This was the post that smelled of evil to me. But maybe I was mistaken.
His reasoning seems to make sense so far, and he seems helpful to town enough. He's not cleared by any means yet.

Shlin28
Voted Tincow. Invisible. I don't know why, but I instinctively get the sense he's trying too hard to act like a basic townie when I read his posts. The part about wanting people dead, the part about BANDWAGONNN... when he voted Reenk. posting multiple tallies. So helpful and innocent. Why does that worry me?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2103594&postcount=296
Posts such as this stick out like a sore thumb. I will be analyzing your previous mafia games and looking to see if you act this way as a townie. You're on my watch list! Translation: I've got nothing on you but a hunch that's probably wrong.

White_Eyes:
Dead.

187Beefyz
Last Activity: Today 07:09
Voted for me, after we've been in several games together, right away. Now why does that tickle my funny bone? You know I am useful to town dead or alive. Making sure I'm dead, eh? You claim it was a random vote. How random, I wonder? I will be keeping your posts very close to my heart, my Beefy friend. Did you wish town would bandwagon me and eliminate a potential threat right away?
*checks more*
"RANDOMLY" voted for me again! Look at your other posts... saying you're "lost"... odd when you keep voting for me. Then you try to be mister helpful townie (not at all unlike myself...) when you volunteered to do option 3.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2104757&postcount=329
Acting helpful, acting lost, pretending to vote randomly while obviously gunning for me!

You're a nice guy IRL I am sure, and a good buddy outside this game, but I have no doubt that you want me dead for some reason. Why didn't you kill me at night, then?

CountArach
Last Activity: Today 06:52
His activity is fairly consistent, and his reasoning is logical, and he's no lurker. I think I've found a friend! 13 posts, not bad.

And one special one for General Hankerchief, as I must now accuse him.
GeneralHankerchief
Last Activity: Today 09:46
Voted TinCow as a "precautionary tactic." Why, because TinCow is veteran enough to smell your scum? I also have done some research into your mafia tell behavior, and my spidey senses are tingling a little.
Refers to in-character or out-of-character based on previous games. According to my more in-depth research on mafioso behavior, this is actually more often than not, a SCUM TELL. Mafia are interested in establishing themselves based on their previous behavior and want to frame the arguments of the discussion around that, because they have a prepared response to possible attacks on their character.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2101387&postcount=147

All right, let me do my discourse on your posting behavior and then I'll head over to Golden Rule to discuss what's going on there... and then I'll take some pills and do something mindless for the next three hours or so. I may have to drop out of this game; I can't really handle this multi-thread thing. :freak:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Naturally, I'm quite familiar with your behavior in my games, and Midgard. I did a quick read-through of Prometheus too. I can't really remember Interficio TBH, but I do recall that you were quite fond of that game.

Now, you've named three distinct posting styles, however, there are similarities in terms of substance as opposed to actual "theme" of those styles. Your "hard-nosed townie" style is a "I'm going to attack those whom I deem most leading the town astray". In Mafia VI I distinctly recall lengthy posts against Sasaki to this effect. In Golden Rule I am substitute for Sasaki.

Now, Prometheus and Mafia V, you were the villain in both of them, continuing to make lengthy posts throughout the game, especially after you made your "roll the dice" move in both. In Midgard (and so far, this one), your modus seems to be "screw it, let's see how much fun I can have", making both lengthy, and frequent posts.

You break up your posting behaviors by role: townie, ambiguous higher power, and villain, respectively. However, the one thing they all have in common is post length and frequency. Up until a couple of hours ago in ATPG's game, you had neither.

Right here a big long analysis (my files show this to be a scummy thing to do... when one is a bolder mafia player, as GH probably is)

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2102146&postcount=209

Oh come on, you yourself have said that the first round is nothing but randomness and chaos. I was thinking about taking my vote off of you but not after this statement.

I was thinking that you weren't acting scummy, but not after this statement. :clown: Hurts, doesn't it?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2103079&postcount=266

Right now this is Loki II. Luckily, it seems like people are being offed at a slow rate, so I say we lynch Reenk, lynch Tevash, and then put Reenk on ignore. It'll cost us time, but I think we can spare it and it'll help us in the long run when we're not distracted.

Interesting you are so sure, at such an early juncture, about our path forward and who we should lynch.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2103127&postcount=271

1) He said/she said.

2) Or, you could have realized your error and been more clear to avoid this mess in the first place.

3) Actually, it's been a common practice since the early days, especially when there's so much ambiguity involved. I especially subscribe to it, since if there's one thing you should know about me, I always hedge my bets (except in the most drastic of circumstances). Sure, I might not win as much outright, but over time I win more because my losses are minimized. :yes:

Argumentative. Point by point responses. Would it surprise you to know Sasaki exhibits such behavior as mafia? Most veteran players that I know do, and I've analyzed their behavior.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2103132&postcount=273

Really, there's not much to it. You mention we have no idea what your bests interests are. I agree. But if it's not fully in line with the town's, then why shouldn't you be lynched?

-edit- dear god, I'm turning into PK.
Turning into PK? PrivateerKev was mafia in the last game, as I recall. :clown:

At such an early juncture, it's easy to ask someone "why shouldn't you be lynched?"... it could be townie behavior, but maybe you simply wanted to know what his hidden role was. He obviously had one. He smells like a townie, too, in retrospect.
Why were you so interested in his death? Maybe you knew he wasn't one of your own... one less round to worry about surviving in.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2104629&postcount=325

Vote: Abstain

School started up again. As such, my time diminishes. Will look at things tomorrow.

GH abstains. You know, he abstains when he's mafia too. And why would you abstain past the first round or so? Nice excuse for not being here. (Hey, maybe it's real, I don't know, and I'm the last person who can safely accuse you... but still. I have to.)

You may not have time, legitimately. But when I add it up to all the other things you're doing which smell stinky to me based on my new method of analyzing behavior, you come up reeking. If I'm wrong, I apologize, but you already have made my spidey senses go through the roof. I am very close to asking town to lynch you along with me.

I will back off from this accusation for now, until I clear my head. It's possible I've smelled a false lead, and my bloodthirsty senses have gone haywire for no reason. When I come back, I will re-examine the evidence with a more objective viewpoint.

In the meantime, I am voting you.

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 17:00

Unvote: Rythmic I have bigger leads right now.
Vote: GeneralHankerchief. If I am wrong, I hope you will understand. See above post.

Edit: He was active today, and no posts here so far.

By the way, I understand I meet many of the criteria I am accusing GH of. I really, really don't care.

:whip:

Ibn-Khaldun

01-12-2009, 17:14

Ibn-Khaldun
Mmm... just the right amount of short posts and random votes to appear to be a townie. Such a low-key presence. No one even notices him, I suspect. He's also going along with the lynch-the-lurking-veterans plan unquestioningly. Still... there's nothing there that's concrete. Nothing there to clear him. I can't even ask him to post more. I would ask that he talk more when he does post. I want to know what's going on inside that brain of yours... the more you talk, the more we hear the way you think. If it doesn't add up, then we can prosecute you. This style of play makes it difficult to do that.

Tourist am I. Speak not your tongue. Talking.. hurts..... my........ brain. :dizzy2:

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 17:15

Tourist am I. Speak not your tongue. Talking.. hurts..... my........ brain. :dizzy2:

Fine, fine fine. I was looking for mafia behavior... you seemed almost strangely devoid of it.

I'm actually more interested now in your opinion of GH. Is it just me?

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 17:19

Continuing with my activity report and analysis:

The work is never done until the game is over.

Yoyoma1910
Last Activity: Today 00:23

Alright, so what do y'all want to know?
I am curious why you seem to be one of the few people actually roleplaying. You're still doing it even after no one else is. You seem to be roleplaying a... female? tourist with a camera.

That's fine. It actually seems quite bold and refreshing. Totally unnecessary risk sticking out like a sore thumb after all this time. I am nearly convinced you're townie. But you're not clear yet.

YLC: Only other living person on the list.

He seems like he has a vigilante role. But could be mafia. As such I ask for his head before the end of the game. But NOT NOW. Let's see if the mafia kills him first.

And then there's me. I have over 40 posts here, I've been active at night several times, I am posting "way too much" in most of your minds to be a townie, and I probably reek to many of you. Good. Mafia might actually keep me alive as a suspect then. But seriously, my activity or lack thereof at night from now on will get me killed, I promise, or you can lynch or vigilante me.

Ibn-Khaldun

01-12-2009, 17:19

Actually I planned to vote against him. He was the first one in TinCow's list and because he is a veteran mafia player then he could be one of the killers.

TinCow

01-12-2009, 17:25

Interesting post, ATPG, thanks for making it. I'll hold off on any general reply until a few of those fingered have a chance to respond.

One note though is that I don't think it's good to hold the use of invisibility mode against someone. All mafia players are encouraged to use invisibility specifically to keep a bit more ambiguity in the game. Those who ignore this are certainly free to have their activity info milked for all it is worth, but those who do use it should not have it held against them. It's in the best interests of the game as a whole for everyone to be invisible and many people (myself included) use it even when they are townies.

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 17:25

@ Ibn

Ah but being a veteran isnt enough. I could almost be considered a veteran now. TinCow is one. Many people here are... it's more of his veteran behavior which I would suggest fits the profile of a scum role.

@ TinCow

Don't worry, it's not really an indicator... it's more of a statement that we cannot actually confirm their innocence by tracking activity.

Though I should note, email makes it possible to never visit this site, and still get kills in. So objectively, invisible mode is not a way of proving anything, nor is lack of activity.

@ Sigurd
Waiting for more from Sigurd too. I know you're here! :laugh2:

:stalker:

Come on down... you know you want to.

___________________

Ok, I made it easier on you guys and added the quotes I was referring to in my GH accusation above.

:bow:

Yoyoma1910

01-12-2009, 17:48

Ooo, pizza, I didn't know I was coming across as feminine to ya'.

:belly:~:flirt::clown:

I like playing characters, even when I'm only given a fragment to work on. It's the reason I'm here.
___________________________________________________________________________

I'm also waiting for someone to tell me what they want to know about this statue.

I could write a book on it, there so much info.

Vote:Jolt

For teying to use his non participation in the MTW2 game as evidence of non mafia status.

Sigurd

01-12-2009, 17:49

@ Sigurd
Waiting for more from Sigurd too. I know you're here! :laugh2:

:stalker:

Come on down... you know you want to.

:laugh4:

Yeah I am definitely here... while working mind you (need to read most of the posts in here, which might be beneficial later in the game).

Your case against the General seems to be spot on. I am eager to hear his reply. I have also noticed that he no longer complains about not being picked as mafioso like he did in Midgard II. I am thinking that he finally received one in one of the games he plays.
He did say in the other game (Golden rule) that he will take a look at Ephesus later today. He usually throws a romp if we group our votes against him and if he is mafia.

It is however a bit early in the game IMO for any lengthy analysis.
Personally I would vote off YLC for even implying to have the life of RR in his hands. But let's try yours and TinCow's theory first. GH it is.

vote:GeneralHankiechief

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 17:49

I think Jolt is a fine choice. He triggered a "WTF?" reaction from me too.

I'd like to hear his defense first, especially about his "never" being on on weekends.

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 17:54

My top suspects

1. GeneralHankerchief (several reasons...)
2. 187Beefyz (explanation in my analysis. Your random votes for me were not random, IMHO)
3. Jolt (I'm giving you time to explain your gaffe)

shlin28

01-12-2009, 18:02

ATPG has convinced me, plus I'm busy ATM.

Vote: GH

FactionHeir

01-12-2009, 18:14

Bandwagoning GH would be too easy. I'd rather wait to hear from him first before voting.

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 18:17

I too think we should hear from him before blindly lynching. In the meantime, we should discuss other picks and other options.

Let's not get complacent.

Thermal

01-12-2009, 18:21

Reminder, to tincow inparticular
Rythmic was mafia in my family guy game, and he lurked similarly as he is this game, see this as suspicious

Also i think Tiberus could be scum, he says reenk is vague and annoys him, when quite frankly tiberus has been vague throughout, it would make sense for him to want to kill a dangerous townie like reenk, and has been just enough active for him to be able to do so

:bow:

glyphz

01-12-2009, 18:22

Vote: YLC

For now. If he is responsible for RR's death, and so soon after TevashSzat's death hinted that there's something more about him.
I'd like to hear from GH and Jolt, too.

edit:

Glyphz
Last Activity: Today 01:53
Voted for TinCow = Bad. Voted for TevashSzat = Neutral, for now.
Seems to be trying to contribute. I can't fault him yet.I believe D1 I voted for FactionHeir.

Tally:

GeneralHankerchief: 3 - (Askthepizzaguy, Sigurd, shlin28)

seireikhaan: 1 - (Ibn-Khaldun)
FactionHeir: 1 - (boudica)
Jolt: 1 - (Yoyoma1910)
YLC: 1 - (glyphz)

Abstain: 3 - (GH, CountArach, FH)

Quintus.JC

01-12-2009, 18:24

On my defence, I'm never on weekends, Thus why I didn't vote for lynch. Also, it basically practically proves I'm not from the Mafia (Since most Mafia guys decided to kill this night).

EDIT: As further proof, if you check the MTW Game, I also didn't participate there. :P

Please explain yourself on this, a couple of days off-line never clears anyone off crime, and now others have been accusing you of blantly lying; this is particularly foolish for a mafia to do, and assuming you're town, what is the reason for you to lie? :inquisitive:

Anyways, can we lynch the athletic guy? He gets on my nerves. >_>

We're in agreement here, he's always there. I wanna lynch the old guy too. :smash:

@ATPG: That's some excellent anaylsis you've wrote there, hoping that it would provoke some meanful response from people.

My feeling in this game is that there must be at least one verteran player and one rookie as mafia, a lot of the verterans aren't talking much and voting abstains. I know there have reasons for it, but they needs to be checked out anyway.

I think Rythmic is likely to be innocent in this game, partnering him in family guy has given me a small insight into his game play. Family Guy mafia was his first game as mafia, he made reasonable contributions (misleding of course) and stayed off the radar, but blanking out completely and not saying anything is too much risk for a mafia to take. I feel the same about Lord Winter too, to me his absence from the guild altogether (for a week?) seems to be evidence enough of his innocence, but he is surely to be WOG'ed very, very soon.

Keep on accusing the seniors, GH's got enough vote on him to keep him from drifting away. I don't have anyone particular in mind and therefore won't vote at the moment.

This game has just got really interesting, plus Andres' write ups are great to read... and funny too. :yes:

Quintus.JC

01-12-2009, 18:31

Reminder, to tincow inparticular
Rythmic was mafia in my family guy game, and he lurked similarly as he is this game, see this as suspicious

I don't think Rythic is mafia, although that's just personal opionion and I have little source to back that up.

Also i think Tiberus could be scum, he says reenk is vague and annoys him, when quite frankly tiberus has been vague throughout, it would make sense for him to want to kill a dangerous townie like reenk, and has been just enough active for him to be able to do so

:bow:

I share your feeling with Tiberus, I would like to hear him talk in his defence. Jolt needs to explain himself too, althought I'm less suspicious about him.

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 18:33

I believe D1 I voted for FactionHeir.

You are correct. I got the days mixed up. My sincerest apologies.

glyphz

01-12-2009, 18:38

@ Atpg: No worries:bow:.

@ Quintus: Lynching the old man might not be a good idea. The old man fits w/ Reenk's claim of an old man blocker role. He's likely to be anti-scum/pro-town. The athletic guy... could be another story though.

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 18:39

Quintus.JC

01-12-2009, 18:46

@ Atpg: No worries:bow:.

@ Quintus: Lynching the old man might not be a good idea. The old man fits w/ Reenk's claim of an old man blocker role. He's likely to be anti-scum/pro-town.

Actually I believe this is the case.

Night 1 PM from Andres

An old man wakes you up. He wants to show you something, he says.

He takes you to a secret hiding place and starts talking to you and another man. He tells you several stories. They are boring and you fall asleep.

Andres.

As an odinary townie I didn't have the ability to do anything at night, however the post suggests that the old man is in fact a blocker, and likely pro-town.

I only wanted to lynch the old guy because he's annoying, just like the athletic guy.

Edit: Another guy was blocked too, suggesting that the man could possible block two people on one night?

boudica

01-12-2009, 18:49

Come on you lurkers! after last nights events surely its obvious that even painting a big sign saying "lynch me" on yourself is safer than hiding in the latrines!

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 18:54

TinCow

01-12-2009, 18:56

If I recall... My analysis of the previous game revealed that the anonymous "town captain" who leads our lynches had some role.

I don't remember, and I am engaged in something ATM. Could someone check?

In the first game, the person who organized the lynch voting was the Carabinieri (detective). When he was killed, the write-up showed that he was dead (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1923546&postcount=825). It did not indicate which of the people murdered that night was the Carabinieri, but it later turned out to be Rythmic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1927755&postcount=1109).

IMO, Andres appears to be doing the same thing in this game. The 'athletic man' is a pro-town detective or some other pro-town role. As long as he keeps appearing in the day phase write-ups, we still have at least one power role alive.

Quintus.JC

01-12-2009, 18:58

If we have a blocker that we can communicate with, we might be able to clear some people.

A blocker functions much like an investigator. If you block someone, and they don't kill, then they could be mafia.

The mafia are now aware of this tactic, but they do not know which night which person will be blocked. And if they wanted to convincingly allow someone else to be blocked, and then not kill, they still have to not kill, which is to our advantage.

I highly recommend we devise a strategy involving the blocker, to narrow down our suspect list. But it must be unpredictable, even to people who are aware of it.

Interesting idea, a bit risky though. We can hardly trust anyone that's even been blocked for a night, we are also putting the blocker's live in danger. Though if the idea works then it would be very benificial to town, in my opionion there are simply far too many people alive for the list to be narrowed down.

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 19:00

it's not a foolproof idea, no.

However, it could... encourage... the mafia not to murder quite so much, to make the people we block seem guilty.

THAT is absolutely 100% beneficial for town, even if the "block" doesnt absolutely clear someone or make someone guilty.

TinCow

01-12-2009, 19:08

If it matters, in the previous game the night write-ups showed when the role blocker (Prostitute) was active. In the current game, we've seen some maniac laughing hysterically and destroying the statue of Artemis at night. This indicates the activity of a role which is not a normal mafioso. It is also consistent with the way in which Reenk Roink was behaving. The write-up of his death came immediately after the maniac's night action, which would allow for the possibility it was him. I would suggest that if we see no more of the night-time maniac, it was Reenk Roink and he is now dead. The question then remains whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, as the maniac write-up does not appear consistent with a role blocker.

GeneralHankerchief

01-12-2009, 19:09

Okay people, Monday is not really going to be a good day for me for several months now, but I'll try to do my best.

After an initial scanning of the posts, I'd just like to point out to Sigurd that my thirst to be a villain was properly quenched in khaan's Spirit Mafia in which I was the Puppet Master.

Let me do a thorough read of the last day or two and I'll get back to you fuller.

Quintus.JC

01-12-2009, 19:11

I don't see how that idea could work with over 20 people still in the game, it could be sound enough with less than 15 people at most though.

Yes its possible that the mafia would be more cautious about commiting murders, and that would be good for town.

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 19:42

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2101387&postcount=147

All right, let me do my discourse on your posting behavior and then I'll head over to Golden Rule to discuss what's going on there... and then I'll take some pills and do something mindless for the next three hours or so. I may have to drop out of this game; I can't really handle this multi-thread thing.

He "may drop out of the game" because he "cant really handle this multithread thing"

He's the man who single handedly brought mafia to the org, if I am not mistaken, and organized and hosted some of the biggest mafia games of the org, while keeping tabs on results and writeups and revealing inside information afterwards... How many games is he in right now? One of the games is basically almost over and there's not much else to do.

I don't buy it. I don't know what his defense is, but I think I'm already prejudiced against it.

You guys are going to need to restrain me and duct tape my mouth and fingers. :laugh2:

Let the man have a rebuttal... let the man have a rebuttal...

TinCow

01-12-2009, 20:00

In GH's defense, I personally know that he has been extremely busy for the last several months due to starting college. He has had to drop out of playing an active avatar in LotR as a result, and I've seen a marked reduction in his activity on the Org in general. That doesn't clear him of anything, but IMHO, if he says he's really busy, then he is really busy.

GeneralHankerchief

01-12-2009, 20:45

All right, it's hurricane time. I'm going to split my post into two parts, one of them being my defense and the other being my comments on what's been going on in the game.

For my defense, ATPG, I'm mostly going to pick on your post, since it serves what I want to say.

You note my previous contributions to the .Org and the Gameroom in particular and you compare my current activity to them, pointing out the difference:

He's the man who single handedly brought mafia to the org, if I am not mistaken, and organized and hosted some of the biggest mafia games of the org, while keeping tabs on results and writeups and revealing inside information afterwards... How many games is he in right now? One of the games is basically almost over and there's not much else to do.

Clearly, you've done some homework and read my past games. However, this paints an improper picture. If you really want to analyze the trends, what you need to do is read each and every single one of my 5,000+ posts, especially analyzing the dates over a broad range of time. Naturally, I don't blame you for doing this. Heck, I know I wouldn't do this with anybody else. However, when it comes to discussing my greater activity as a whole I can do it since I've, you know, lived it.

I brought Mafia to the .Org in June 2006, which was abotu two and a half years ago. In 2006 alone, I hosted five of my eight big games, providing a commentary on each. This was done over the period of half a year, mind. In 2007, I only hosted two big games, and only provided a commentary in one of them. Now, part of this was due to the increasing popularity of the Gameroom, but also keep in mind I had double the time and still only hosted two games. In addition, the "Gameroom got bigger" explanation doesn't properly explain my lack of commentary for Mafia VII. Now, in 2008, I only hosted one large game, Mafia VIII. This was done, for the most part, over the summer, when I did not have school to worry about and only worked a small, part-time job.

In addition to my hosting less, I've also played less. TinCow already pointed out my essential bowing out of LotR recently. But in the past year and a half I've also taken two extended breaks from Mafia, not playing a single game for months at a time. Now, it's probably true that I've played multiple games in the past. However, if I have, I certainly haven't done so for a long time. Comparing my 2009 data from my 2006 and early 2007 data only while leaving out my mid/late 2007 and 2008 data is folly. This is a significant jump in activity for me, relatively speaking. And while I'm trying to become more active in the Gameroom and make this new behavior the norm, I'm not sure if I can pull it off. My desire to join this game in the first place was out of a desire to play a "big" game (even among Large games) again. I'm naturally partial to khaan's Chicago Soiree, because, hey, that style of game is my specialty.

Now, as far as my actual behavior (and not lack, thereof) goes:

First of all, just as a general point, much of your attacks on me come from my past behavior. Let me just say that if you don't think I naturally and purposely evolve my behavior/tactics, shame on you. It's good overall play to do this. Otherwise, you stand at risk of becoming like Seamus and Kommodus, who, while excellent townies, are as predictable as the sunrise and stand out like a sore thumb when they become mafia.

I was thinking that you weren't acting scummy, but not after this statement. :clown: Hurts, doesn't it?

You say this is scummy but don't give an explanation.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2103079&postcount=266

Interesting you are so sure, at such an early juncture, about our path forward and who we should lynch.

I know this goes against my previous statement, but I've always argued this path. When you have two polar opposite targets in a situation so ambiguous, you take them both down just to be certain you got the right person. I believe I was one of the first to push for this in Cosa Nuova I, when Sasaki and Kagemusha counterclaimed each other as Detective in the first round. In my mind, you can't beat the brute-force approach, especially early in the game. Efficient? Not really. Effective? Yes.

Argumentative. Point by point responses. Would it surprise you to know Sasaki exhibits such behavior as mafia? Most veteran players that I know do, and I've analyzed their behavior.

Would it surprise you to know that good players do this as town too? Sasaki destroyed me in Godfather 2 using argumentative behavior and point-by-point responses trying to poke holes in my (false) claim as Detective.

Turning into PK? PrivateerKev was mafia in the last game, as I recall.

I wasn't referring to PK in Taormina, I was referring to him in Midgard when he was criticizing for me trying to Holmgang people, saying that my pursuit of fun (similar to Reenk's in this game) was detrimental to the town and that I should stop.

At such an early juncture, it's easy to ask someone "why shouldn't you be lynched?"... it could be townie behavior, but maybe you simply wanted to know what his hidden role was. He obviously had one. He smells like a townie, too, in retrospect.

How in God's name did it look like he had a pro-town role? All he was doing at the time was singularly focusing discussion on him (bad, since it lets the mafia slip by under the radar) and mocking us all. This was not good town behavior. Yes, it looks now that he was pretty much a townie. However, hindsight is 20/20. Find me ONE PERSON who thought this way before he got lynched. Everybody thought he had some special role, good or bad. I thought bad. This point of yours makes no sense.

GH abstains. You know, he abstains when he's mafia too. And why would you abstain past the first round or so? Nice excuse for not being here. (Hey, maybe it's real, I don't know, and I'm the last person who can safely accuse you... but still. I have to.)

As pointed out in that post, I was going back to school and thus my mind was elsewhere than on the game. Considering that I missed the vote in the last round, I didn't want to become WoG-bait.

~~~~~~~~~~~

I was going to finish my post with something besides a defense, but I need to be off and doing something else now. I hope people actually read it and consider the points I made.

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 21:12

The blow-by-blow defense was expected, and didn't really counter much of my claims, if you look closely.

He basically argues that I'd need to analyze all his 5000 posts in order to recognize patterns of behavior. I don't... because none of you have done this, and neither has he, and we still recognize those patterns.

He then goes into a long explanation for his declining activity and renewed interest in mafia. That's fine, but the Chicago Soiree hasn't even started yet and the total activity in the Golden Rule mafia is negligible at this stage of the game. You just show up, vote, and you're done. Same as last round, or slightly less work, not more.

He never once explains how this thread is a significant burden to him or why he cannot handle it in conjunction with the limited, if any, activity in other games. Which is fine, that alone doesn't make him mafia, nor does anything else I've said.

What I've said is that it LIKELY makes him mafia.

Then he suggests his behavior has evolved. Good! Mine has as well. However, he's arguing against himself here, because he's the one who suggested examining past behavior in this very thread.

Which is it? Is it reliable or not? If it's not reliable, could it contain some key information?

It basically comes down to a judgment call. In my judgment, you made a mistake and revealed that you are hiding a secret.

The part with the clown is a joke. But it shows you declaring how guilty someone is for their behavior, with the finality that perhaps wasn't deserved. I intended to highlight that by turning your argument on you.

I was thinking that you weren't acting scummy, but not after this statement

You have been final in your judgments and quick to make them. Different style of play? Sloppy? Or mafia behavior?

_______________

I've relaxed and done other things, I feel I have a clearer head. From where I sit, your defense has not convinced me.

If I am wrong, I apologize, but there was not enough there to overturn or satisfy my suspicions.

shlin28

01-12-2009, 21:20

About this old man thing... he told me a boring story too and I fell asleep :wall:

At first I thought it was a mafia trying to convert me, but after reading the write-ups I seem only to be blocked :beam: YAY!

I'm still voting GH though after reading the thread thoroughly this time. In ATPG I trust :yes:

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 21:22

Be sure to read GH's rebuttal and my counter-argument before you make up your mind. I don't want to be the sole person who put any thought into his death. Some of you have considered it carefully and decided he's guilty, which is fine. Just give GH a fair hearing, as I would hope you would do for me if I ever got accused.

GeneralHankerchief

01-12-2009, 21:36

The blow-by-blow defense was expected, and didn't really counter much of my claims, if you look closely.

He basically argues that I'd need to analyze all his 5000 posts in order to recognize patterns of behavior. I don't... because none of you have done this, and neither has he, and we still recognize those patterns.

No you don't, because you attacked my activity level and it required an explanation from me.

He never once explains how this thread is a significant burden to him or why he cannot handle it in conjunction with the limited, if any, activity in other games. Which is fine, that alone doesn't make him mafia, nor does anything else I've said.

Just showing up and voting is very very very bad for the town. You need to show up, read the thread, and make an informed vote. I don't like to do anything less than that. Since this game is high activity and since I'm having trouble keeping up, THAT'S what's keeping me less active.

Then he suggests his behavior has evolved. Good! Mine has as well. However, he's arguing against himself here, because he's the one who suggested examining past behavior in this very thread.

You yourself said that most of the arguments used against me could also be used against you, but you didn't care. I did this once or twice and now you call me out on it. So hypocrisy's only okay when you do it?

Which is it? Is it reliable or not? If it's not reliable, could it contain some key information?

It basically comes down to a judgment call. In my judgment, you made a mistake and revealed that you are hiding a secret.

What?

The part with the clown is a joke. But it shows you declaring how guilty someone is for their behavior, with the finality that perhaps wasn't deserved. I intended to highlight that by turning your argument on you.

Reenk's behavior was actively detrimental to the town. My behavior on the other hand wasn't much of anything.

If I am wrong, I apologize, but there was not enough there to overturn or satisfy my suspicions.

You are, as your user title puts it, "wrong on so many levels", as you will find out.

seireikhaan

01-12-2009, 21:38

Ibn-Khaldun

01-12-2009, 21:40

TinCow

01-12-2009, 21:41

I recommend not lynching GH this round. It seems my list of lurking vets got this ball rolling on him. I posted that list because I wanted to get those people talking, not necessarily lynch them just for lurking. Talkative veteran players are very beneficial if they are on the town's side. Let's not go eliminating them just for the hell of it. GH is talking now, and that was the objective. Switch your votes to someone else to provoke a similar response.

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 21:55

Here's my question, Pizzaguy: Why did you initially target GH instead of, say, me? Or Rythmic? Or any of the other players who are lurking their way through this game thus far? By the same logic you apply to GH, there should be roughly 12 mafioso in this game. ~:rolleyes:

Vote: Pizzaguy

I know you didn't post this without reading my posts, so I assume you know that I started with the least active townies and began tracking their activity and their posting behavior so far. When I got to GeneralHankerchief I was startled by the results.

You do not have such odd behaviors in your posts. Neither did Rythmic. Rythmic simply is rather inactive and is WOG bait. He has one post.

GH is not guilty of Lurking. He's guilty of making odd posts which indicate something is awry. He's posting arguments which make no sense to me. His behavior is identical to other games where he's been mafia, in my opinion, and also identical to many veteran player's behavior when they aren't townie.

That is my assessment and you are free to disagree. However, there is a significant difference between GH and Rythmic, and GH and Seireikhaan, and you would know that, if you read my posts and theirs. You should know that. Why don't you?

And yes, I freely admit some of this stuff applies to me. Go ahead and lynch me. I'd prefer to let the mafia strike me dead, but having a me as a suspect and still alive may make them refuse. You'll lynch me eventually, it can be now if you wish. However, I will not give a blow-by-blow defense of myself. I am simply looking for suspect behavior, and I'm aware mine qualifies, and I'll continue my efforts after I am dead.

That GH would give a blow-by-blow defense is interesting in and of itself, but it is more typical behavior from him. That his defense had holes in it was more interesting.

I have answered your question, and unless you have something more substantial on me, I encourage you to either change your vote or give me further reasons why you think I am mafia. I'd prefer you re-examine my arguments as well, because I believe several people thought they had merit, and you just rejected them out of hand. Why?

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 22:01

You are, as your user title puts it, "wrong on so many levels", as you will find out.

Aha!

Now everything before that was expected. Here this was unexpected.

This is sharply more aggressive than one would expect from an accused. This comment does not sit well with me either. If I am so wrong, it is not necessary to post this. It is necessary to show me why I am wrong. To post this, is more or less a taunt, and less professional behavior than I am used to from GH.

I would suggest this is a crack in your facade, GH. You didn't handle my accusation well, in my opinion.

GeneralHankerchief

01-12-2009, 22:07

Okay, fine. I didn't want to do this, but this is more out of a sick pleasure to prove you wrong:

The Guide

You are the guide, mentioned in the opening scene.

You have a perfect knowledge of the Ancient City of Ephesus.

Each night, you are allowed to protect two players. When you do so, you’ll hide them in the secret tunnel between the ancient library and the ancient brothel. When you protect a player, you’ll also block his/her actions for that night.

Each night, you have to pm me the names of the people you’re going to protect. Your pm has to reach me before the night ends.

Assination attempts on you might fail under certain circumstances.

Good luck!

You wake Sigurd an Quintus up and take them with you, to a secret hiding place.

You bore them with stories about Ephesus until they fall asleep.

Andres.

You took Tevash and Reenk with you, to the secret corridor.

You started to tell them about Ancient Rome and the history of Turkey.

Both were so bored by your talking that they fell asleep.

However, somehow you felt like someone else had been watching you. Maybe it's just paranoia, maybe it's something more...

Be careful, Guide...

Andres.

Question: How apparent is it that I've taken people to the secret corridor? (i.e. will the blocked/protected know that they have been blocked/protected?) Also, if anybody tries to kill them will it show up in the thread? I'm guessing it will here since it looks like one of us got investigated the last night, but... PM is not the thread.

Thanks,
GH

You took Tevash and Reenk with you, to the secret corridor.

You started to tell them about Ancient Rome and the history of Turkey.

Both were so bored by your talking that they fell asleep.

However, somehow you felt like someone else had been watching you. Maybe it's just paranoia, maybe it's something more...

Be careful, Guide...

Andres.

Failed attacks will be narrated in the thread.

Role blocks won't be narrated in the thread nor in your night report.

Some role(s) can watch you or the people you are protecting/blocking. Your night report may hint at that, but nothing more then that.

:bow:

You took Seamus Fermanagh and shlin28 with you, to the secret corridor.

When you woke up Seamus, you noticed somebody watching him. You don't know what to make of it. Maybe you're just getting paranoid.

Anyway, you took them with you, to the secret place.

You started to tell them about Ancient Rome and the history of Turkey.

Both were so bored by your talking that they fell asleep.

Andres.

Your theories need work. Now change your vote.

Seamus Fermanagh

01-12-2009, 22:15

Let's hear about the statue please -- history etc.

I like this argument that GH and Pizza have going. My read is that both are townies -- though I will reserve judgement for now and

VOTE: Abstain

YLC -- you implied some form of active role beyond that of voting to lynch. Could you discuss this more? If you're trying to duck mafia attention, you're too late as you made your post and it has already drawn two comments since.

Pizza:

Who was it that said they were off weekends but was on and posting? My previous posts queue at the bottom of this reply doesn't go back that far.

I am posting less this game. My personal life (RL) responsibilities have grown recently -- though I do not wish to go into specifics. If you pm Andres, Kukrikhan or Sigurd they will confirm that fact.

Voting analysis seems to show a lot of people voting for Tev who end up dead.....

I still think we've something to learn from the kill methodology. I do not suspect rival families -- though I can't fully discount it -- and do suspect some kind of quasi-townie role for the knifeman.

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 22:16

TinCow

01-12-2009, 22:17

People who should not be lynched at the moment:

GH - obvious
Rythmic - Hasn't been on the forums for days, and thus would be incapable of submitting night orders
Seamus - Blocked on a night with 3 killings
shlin - Blocked on a night with 3 killings.

I'm currently very happy with the deaths of both Tevash and RR. They were both blocked on a night when there were no killings. While the writeup does indicate some mafo-activity was going on that wasn't murder-related, GH almost certainly got one of them with his block. Good job on lynching Tevash, and don't feel regret over RR.

GeneralHankerchief

01-12-2009, 22:17

Hmm. Not to be stubborn or anything, but people had basically agreed not to lynch you this round, merely question you. The reveal was entirely unnecessary.

It's also possible these are forgeries. It's not as though that's never happened before.

I never said I couldn't be wrong, but in my opinion, the questioning of your behavior was justified. And now this reveal puzzles me further.

However, your reveal can at least be corroborated by the parties you indicated. They can all say whether or not you blocked them, and in such a case, I would have nothing further to add in an accusation against you, and you'd have my apologies.

Regardless of your intent, I was going down. Now people know what I was and maybe I might get another couple rounds of blocks in.

Either way, as soon as I die, people will stop getting PMs saying that an old man told them stories. Anyone who says otherwise, lynch them immediately. They are lying.

Seamus Fermanagh

01-12-2009, 22:22

TinCow

01-12-2009, 22:22

FYI, it is actually pretty important that people shift their votes. GH is still leading in the lynch vote and there's only about 1 hour left until execution time. Anyone who is able to vote elsewhere should do so.

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 22:22

Okay, well so long as no one shows up and says you're lying, I will accept your explanation.

Unvote: GeneralHankerchief
Vote: 187Beefyz

I'm not a mafia either, I was just doing my job as a loyal townie looking for clues. It wasn't my intention to reveal a roleblocker.

Maybe I am no one's hero at the moment, but I must continue with the inquisition, so to speak. Regardless of my failed prediction here, voting for me twice is not a random vote. It does seem like he has it out for me, and I don't accept the "random" part of his explain. If you have something better on me, go for it.

Lord knows I've given you plenty to work with.

I would like to hear more from Jolt, as well.

shlin28

01-12-2009, 22:24

Er... Unvote: GH

Vote: FH

For stating the obvious.

glyphz

01-12-2009, 22:35

Tally:

FactionHeir: 2 - (boudica, shlin28)

GeneralHankerchief: 1 - (Sigurd)
seireikhaan: 1 - (Ibn-Khaldun)
Jolt: 1 - (Yoyoma1910)
YLC: 1 - (glyphz)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 - ('khaan)
187Beefyz: 1 (Atpg)

Abstain: 4 - (GH, CountArach, FH, Seamus Fermanagh)

double-checking...

Reenk Roink

01-12-2009, 22:37

I can confirm having received a Andres PM on the 3-kill night.

Andres indicated that I had been bored into a stupor while listening to stories. I was accompanied by one other person who was also put to sleep.

No indication was given as to the identity of the storyteller.

Curiously, on the night GH claims to have bored Tev' and Reenk, nobody perished.....

I confirm (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2103586&postcount=295) my good man's story. I also had this happen to me and another man was there.

I will just say, while I did my mission and fulfilled my first and second objectives, that roleblocker prevented me from killing and investigating.

I was going to kill Jolt. Dunno if he's Mafia or not, but I had a bone to pick with him for voting for me. :laugh4:

Also, TinCow, you may advise the town to feel no regret over my death, it is your call. I feel my death was much more damaging to the towns cause than yours, just as my life was much more beneficial to the cause. :2thumbsup:

I would like to remind the town that I gave them TevashSzat straight up. Without me, which of you were suspicious of him? I would like to remind them that I could have given them more...

Where was the doctor!? :laugh4:

TinCow

01-12-2009, 22:40

I've re-read the intro story a bit. With the added knowledge we now have from the write-ups, I've got a theory:

1) Manfredo is the guy leading the lynchings. He is very athletic, which fits the descriptions. In addition, we've already got 2 pairs of badguys: Bernard and Isabelle and Günner and Fehrad. Putting in a 5th mafioso would be unbalanced. It would also be inconsistent with Manfredo leading the lynch vote. The intro story also specifically states that Manfredo is "retired" which is more proof that he is no longer mafioso. My bet is that Manfredo is the Ephesus equivalent of the detective.

2) Isabelle is specifically described as crazy. This would fit with RR's style of play and also fits with the bizarre person running around like a maniac. As I noted previously, if we do not see this kind of activity continuing in the nightly write-ups, I would mark RR down as a deceased Isabelle.

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 22:43

Alive (24)

boudica
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
seireikhaan
Rythmic
shlin28
Tiberius of the Drake
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC
YLC
Sigurd
woad&fangs
Yoyoma1910
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
CountArach
Caius
El Diablo
Glyphz
FactionHeir
Seamus Fermanagh
Ignoramus

Killed (4) :

777Ares777
TheFlax
White_Eyes :D
Reenk Roink

Lynched (2) :

TinCow
Tevashzat

WoG/Suicide (0):

_______________

GH vote abstain Post 325
CA vote abstain post 336
FH vote abstain post 339
Ibn-khaldun votes Seirekhaan post 341
ATPG votes Rythmic post 342 Unvotes, Votes GH post 347, Unvotes, Votes Beefy post 396
Boudica votes FactionHeir post 343
Yoyoma votes Jolt post 354
Sigurd votes GH post 355
Shlin votes GH post 358, unvotes, votes FactionHeir post 397
Glyphz votes YLC post 362
Sk votes ATPG post 384
Seamus votes Abstain post 390

Abstain: 4 votes
-
FactionHeir: 2 votes
Seireikhaan: 1 votes
Beefy: 1 votes
Jolt: 1 votes
GeneralHankerchief: 1 votes
YLC: 1 votes
ATPG: 1 votes

TevashSzat

01-12-2009, 22:47

Meh, I can confirm GH's thing too, I got bored too. So I guess the doctors should be covering him now that the mafia will be gunning for him.

Again guys, I am just a townie. Don't be fooled into thinking Reenk was a good role or that I was a mafia b/c am, again am still a townie.

Reenk Roink

01-12-2009, 22:51

Reenk's behavior was actively detrimental to the town.

I respectfully disagree. The reasons for why can be found in my sent down tablet. I don't really want to flat out explain my behavior while the Mafia are still working.

To the town, the Isabelle theory that TinCow is now giving is absolutely off base. I actually advise people to stop thinking about me at this stage, I don't know why anyone would still be bringing me up except to confound the town...

Also, keep YLC in your sights... :wink2:

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 22:52

With the worst timing in the universe, I must get going. GeneralHankerchief is no longer in the lead, and I refuse to bandwagon FactionHeir without a good cause. I leave it up to you abstaining votes to decide this one.

I believe I have a good reason to vote Beefy, and it's more than an OMGUS vote. It's the claim that it's random and his consistent efforts that don't sit well.

I am not a fan of FactionHeir's efforts so far, but I don't have enough criticism of him to justify going after him yet.

Consider my tally above to be part of my apology to town.

Andres

01-12-2009, 23:01

Voting concluded.

Stand by for execution.

Andres

01-12-2009, 23:44

The Scourge of Ephesus - Day 3 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Efese-Hadrianus.jpg

The Temple of Hadrianus - 9.00 pm.

All tourists had a grim expression on their faces. They stared at each other in silence.

One of them stood up and started to point his finger at a random tourist.

"It's him!"

"Who? Me? Why is that?"

"No," another one said, "it's him!"

The athletic man intervened. "Come on now, this won't get us nowhere..."

"Shut up! You annoy me!" a tourist yelled. "Just because you have muscles doesn't mean you're allowed to bossing us around!"

The athletic man stared at the tourist, an ice cold look in his eyes.

"Well, ok, eh, nevermind. But that senile :daisy: has to shut up, he annoys me as well! With his hysterical screaming and yelling!"

Ice cold eyes made the tourist silent again.

Another tourist started to talk. It was a long, long, long, very long monologue.

Fingers were being pointed at each other and all of the sudden, GeneralHankerchief found himself surrounded by angry faces and shaking fists.

"It's you! You! You!"

The athletic man already picked up the sword and the gun and slowly walked towards the agitated crowd when all of the sudden, some of them slowly walked back.

"No, it's not him! It's him!"

FactionHeir looked up and sneezed. He took his twentieth handkerchief of the day. "Oh, I feel terrible. What a nasty cold I have."

"Yeah, it's got to be him, catching a cold while it's 30 °C at night. If that's not scummy behaviour... I know scummy behaviour when I see it" one of the tourists said, trying to look like an experienced detective of some sort.

"But..." (sneezes again) "I have done nothing! Come on, you've seen me the last days. I've been sick as hell, I can barely walk two metres without sneezing, how could I have possibly killed somebody?"

"Hear, that sneezing sound, it sounds exactly like that hysterical laughter!"

"Yeah! It's definitely him!"

The athletic man slowly walked towards FactionHeir.

"Stand up boy! It seems like it ends here for you. The gun or the blade?"

Pale as a wedding dress, FactionHeir stared at the man. Can't I have a handkerchief instead?

The man pointed the gun at FactionHeir and shot him between the eyes. He threw a clean handkerchief at the body.

"Sorry boy..."

The crowd looked at the late FactionHeir. None of them really looked very confident about their actions of the day.

One of the tourists slowly got up.

"Let us all get to sleep. We can all use a good nights' rest."

The tourists left the scene, looking for a good spot to sleep.

Several wondered when this nightmare would finally end...

***

Tally:

FactionHeir : 2 (boudica, shlin28) :skull:

GeneralHankerchief : 1 (Sigurd)
Jolt : 1 (Yoyoma1910)
'khaan : 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
187Beefyz: 1 (Askthepizzaguy)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 ('khaan)
YLC: 1 (glyphz)
Abstain : 4 (GH, CountArach, FactionHeir, Seamus Fermanagh)

Not voted : 12 (Jolt, Rythmic, Tiberius, Beefy, Chaotix, Quintus.JC, YLC, w&f, Lord Winter, Caius, El Diablo, Ignoramus)

Alive (23)

boudica
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
seireikhaan
Rythmic
shlin28
Tiberius of the Drake
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC
YLC
Sigurd
woad&fangs
Yoyoma1910
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
CountArach
Caius
El Diablo
Glyphz
Seamus Fermanagh
Ignoramus

Killed (4) :

777Ares777
TheFlax
White_Eyes :D
Reenk Roink

Lynched (3) :

TinCow
Tevashzat
FactionHeir

WoG/Suicide (0):

It's now night. PM's please.

Night will last for +/- 24 hours

White_eyes:D

01-12-2009, 23:48

OK......why did you guys kill FH?:shrug:......shlin and bodica are up to something....:inquisitive:

ULC

01-13-2009, 00:02

This where things are going to get funny - my luck, GH is dead tomorrow, by a blade no less. I'd have preferred that ATPG had died instead, but alas...

Reenk Roink

01-13-2009, 00:07

This where things are going to get funny - my luck, GH is dead tomorrow, by a blade no less. I'd have preferred that ATPG had died instead, but alas...

Why are you pretending to be a killer?

ULC

01-13-2009, 00:11

Why are you pretending to be a killer?

I've never once pretended to be a killer RR, where do you get that? I sent a PM to you with an idle threat that I could only follow up with by trying to force a confrontation between me and you during the night phase so I could severely discredit it you. However, you were killed that night, and thus by sheer coincidence, I was implicated in it. My post following never once indicated that I killed you, only that you got what you deserved in my eyes.

Thermal

01-13-2009, 00:13

BAH! your all evil! all lynches from now on should be a simple process of tieing up and killing the horde of tourists! This is how terrorism happens! Last time i go abroad if theres something like a 4/28 chance i'll be killed every night :sweatdrop:

Beefy187

01-13-2009, 01:35

Sorry for missing the voting.

I will post my defense next day

Chaotix

01-13-2009, 02:37

Well, dammit. I must apologize for missing not one, but two day phases and lynchings. I've been really busy with school lately, and just keeping up with the insane amount of posts when possible has left me with no time to formulate a theory and vote afterwards...

I will strive to be more active from now on. Right now, ATPG actually seems kind of scummy to me, although he's supposedly confirmed his own innocence by his inactivity. :shrug: I dunno, something about his argument with GH made him seem noticeably different from his other games- perhaps his lack of truly solid points?

Beefy187

01-13-2009, 02:40

Well, dammit. I must apologize for missing not one, but two day phases and lynchings. I've been really busy with school lately, and just keeping up with the insane amount of posts when possible has left me with no time to vote afterwards...

I will strive to be more active from now on. Right now, ATPG actually seems kind of scummy to me, although he's supposedly confirmed his own innocence by his inactivity. :shrug: I dunno, something about his argument with GH made him seem noticeably different from his other games- perhaps his lack of truly solid points?

Right now, theres hardly any solid points. Only solid thing which could lead us to the guilty is probably the possibility of hints in the write ups (the statues) and posting style which should start getting more obvious in later rounds.

ULC

01-13-2009, 03:08

I myself am starting to find ATPG extremely suspicious...and I am not sure why...something in his posts...

Yoyoma1910

01-13-2009, 03:22

Right now, theres hardly any solid points. Only solid thing which could lead us to the guilty is probably the possibility of hints in the write ups (the statues) and posting style which should start getting more obvious in later rounds.

So, what do y'all want to know about the statues?

Chaotix

01-13-2009, 03:23

Well, whaddaya know about the statues, huh?

Beefy187

01-13-2009, 03:25

So, what do y'all want to know about the statues?

Anything. If its even worth investigating into the statues. If you can find a possible link to the murders, that will be great

Yoyoma1910

01-13-2009, 04:09

The image is of a Statue known as the "Beautiful Artemis," as opposed to the "Great Artemis," both of which would be found at the museum. There were many copies of this statue found.

The original version would have been Ionian, from around 550 BCE (before common era), but was destroyed, later reproduced, and destroyed again.

This particular one would have been a later production, as you can tell by the more refined styling. Likely 1st century CE (common era).

"The Great Artemis" has a larger head dress, and is from about a century later.

The "Temple of Artemis" was considered to be one of the Ancient Wonders of the world, and is one of the main reasons people flock to Ephesus, as a tourist destination.

The two creatures at her side are felines, similar to imagery of Cybele.

The many ball shaped object are thought to be: breasts, bull testicles, or possibly eggs. This design element can be traced back to the Geometric period (approx. 900-700 BCE).

Lord Winter

01-13-2009, 07:55

Okay I'm caught up. Just for clarification, I asked to be taken out but Andres PM'd me giving me a WOG free week I'll be active from now on.

Pizza is diffidently drawing my suspicions. He started out with a fairly apathetic stance daring the mafia to kill him. Day III though he turns around and blindly drives at GH, only yielding when it appears he's safe. Merits closer attention.

Sigurd

01-13-2009, 09:54

Woah ...

Sorry about not participating at a crucial point in the game yesterday.

Good to see others making sure that GH was not lynched. I too got an obscure PM from Andres on the first night about listening to a boring old man.
I didn't know what to make of it, but now I know.

Jolt

01-13-2009, 11:02

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2099096#post2099096 (1/4)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2098677#post2098677 (1/3)
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Explain how I've just proven you were online, not only online, but posting in this forum, on both days of two consecutive weekends.

Why, if you are a townie, would you post such a blatant lie?

It is simple. Its called Christmas Vacation. When we have a said vacation, we don't have to be in a distant city studying. We can be at home, where he have a thing called internet. Explained?

EDIT: "Never" was a bad choice of words. "Never" meant: "Never (Better yet "Very, very rarely", since I have cousins in Lisbon to whose houses I rarely go in the weekend which do have internet) when I'm staying in Lisbon (City where I study)". I can confirm, however, that I shall possibly be in the internet, the forthcoming weekend as I'll be going home on this weekend.

EDIT 2 (Just had the opportunity to stroll around the thread for reasons about lynching or not):
Jolt:
Last Activity: Today 05:50
I've already questioned his behavior in this thread. Not a happy camper until he explains how he could possibly have been so mistaken.

Look at his posting style. His votes seem thoughtless, and his words undermine his innocence. No offense Jolt, and nothing personal. Indeed, I enjoy your posting outside of this game. In this one, you're just making me suspicious of you.

Main explanation given, my votes are rather thoughtless because I only voted in the first day and this is my first Mafia game. And no worries, I don't mind getting lynched (It's just a game.). I'm townie since I didn't even know what other roles, those could do (Didn't know mafia guys killed in the night, didn't know they could be investigated, and I don't know what "blocking" is, though I suppose it is a byword for investigating?).
Still, its fun I'm suspected. >_> makes for all the suspense.

Just as for Yoyoama's reason to vote for me, yeah I didn't even know if I was allowed to use other games as an argument for defence, but apparently its alright (Since noone said anything wrong).

EDIT 3: Since I'm leaving college where I have internet, I will only post a reply to anyone & vote tomorrow. Curious I have to say my activity in these forums so people won't lynch me. >_>

EDIT 4 (Missed this one):
Please explain yourself on this, a couple of days off-line never clears anyone off crime, and now others have been accusing you of blantly lying; this is particularly foolish for a mafia to do, and assuming you're town, what is the reason for you to lie?

That is covered by my main response. It was a poor choice of words, and neither was I aware that the way I said things meant so much in this game.

boudica

01-13-2009, 11:40

OK......why did you guys kill FH?:shrug:......shlin and bodica are up to something....:inquisitive:

Ok - When I voted FactionHeir it was - as i said at the time - at the bidding of the ghost of TinCow, who suggested we might coax some of the more veteran players who were lurking out of the shadows. WHen I logged in to check, FH hadn't responded and no-one else had voted so i didn't think to change my vote.

Hindsight is of course a marvellous thing and given that the write up makes plain that FH was inactive due to being bunged up with mucus and slightly ga-ga on night nurse, he was clearly not the correct choice for the lynch.

Having said that, I'd hope that maybe lynching an inactive townie with a contagious bacterial infection - instead of a boring old man who seems to be able to block people - should turn out to be the lesser of two evils.

RIP snot-boy FactionHeir

TinCow

01-13-2009, 13:01

I wouldn't feel too bad about FH. Someone had to be lynched and with the deaths of Tevash and RR, there weren't any good targets left. It's a shame he didn't get an opportunity to defend himself, but that's somewhat inevitable when we get a last minute vote change scramble.

Barring the arrival of more interesting evidence in the next night write-up, I would urge a closer look at Sigurd and Quintus.JC. They were both blocked on the first night, when there was only one kill. It's possible that the mafia only chose to kill one person that night, but it's also possible GH got lucky.

Jolt

01-13-2009, 14:28

Anyways, editted my reply so much so to better word it, that it looks like a new post altogether.

EDIT: My last post before this one. *sigh*

El Diablo

01-13-2009, 20:11

Seems that everyone is answering the questions that ATPG has put to them.
Apparently I am a "borderline lurker" probably true and about to get worse when I go on holiday in a couple of days (will attempt to get online at some stage).

However as for posting a question and then doing nothing about it?

I wanted to know if anyone knew the importance of the statue of Artemis being destroyed. I have no real knowledge of this game or story (people talking about Isabella and whoever) so I was trying to point out things in the write up that may trigger someones memory as it did nothing to mine.

No one replies - I assumed it was done for drama?

shlin28

01-13-2009, 20:25

OK......why did you guys kill FH?:shrug:......shlin and bodica are up to something....:inquisitive:

Yes... if we were working together to take on FH, we could voted him earlier, but no, we vote him like an hour before the lynch. No mafia would cut it this close :no:

To: ATPG

I am on invisible mode because I have it on for 2 years, and regarding the tallies... well, I only did them cos I was bored :sweatdrop:

Andres

01-13-2009, 23:15

The Scourge of Ephesus - Night 4 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Efes-theater.jpg

The ancient theater - 1.00 am

A shady figure strided over the sands of the theater.

He looked around him and noticed the enveloppe.

The man picked it up and read the short note inside it.

He grinned and walked away, calmly.

***

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Ephesusbynight.jpg

Ephesus - later that night.

Two dark figures walked to the new graves of the dead. They both carried shovels.

One of them sighed deeply.

"5 bodies... Damn, I hate this part of my job."

"Me too," his colleague added. "Well, we don't have a choice. Let's start digging."

Both started to dig. They clearly had some experience with this and in no time the five "fresh" bodies could be examined.

"Bah, that smell. I'll never get used to it."

His companion said nothing and passed a sharp knife to his colleague.

"You take those two, I'll take the others. Let's hurry up."

Both started to carve into the bodies, disecting them cautiously.

"Ok. We did what we had to do. Let's get out of here before anyone notices us."

"We leave that as it is?" (points at the bloody mess)

"Yeah, let those idiots burry them again."

Both figures walked away, both carrying their shovel on the right shoulder.

***

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Efese-Artemis.jpg

Ephesus - The remnants of the Artemis temple

The moon was getting fuller every day. Askthepizzaguy was smugly contemplating the latest events here at Ephesus as he strolled along the path to the Temple of Artemis in the moonlight.

“This is even going better than I first planned. If I'm quick, I'll be out of here without anybody noticing it..."

"I wonder what that old man is up to. Oh well, I'll know soon enough. He chuckled a little and stopped dead when he realized that he had made a sound. Making sure that he was alone, he turned and continued towards the temple. “I wonder if John really did write his revelation here like they claim. This place just Reeinks of ancient ghosts”. He laughed out loud and stooped down when the sound echoed in the ruins. As he entered the site, he went to the designated place and waited.

“I hope he isn't too late, I'm dying of curiosity about what he has to tell me”.

"Dying of curiosity, huh?"

A dark shadow leaped down from the ruin wall a few feet from Askthepizzaguy.

The shadow sneered: “So this is what's going on here? You think you can escape me? My sword will liberate you today”. The shadow stepped out in the moonlight and a black clad man with a silver scull embroidered on his chest, drew a sword from the top of his left shoulder.

In the meanwhile, an old man was walking to the the temple of Artemis. He was nearly there when he heard the voices, followed by a horrible scream.

Askthepizzaguy screamed for help and turned away from the man. But before Askthepizzaguy could run away into safety, the sharp edge of the sword had cut through his neck. He fell to the ground, strength gone from every limb. The man in black stood there looking at him, blood dripping from the tip of his sword. “One less to worry over now”.

The man in black with the silver scull listened to the rasping of a struggling breath that finally died out before wiping off his sword on his victim’s clothes. He replaced the sword in its scabbard and jumped back up on the ruin wall and disappeared into the night.

The old man noticed a shadow on the ruin wall. He quickly duck and waited. Then he stood up again only to notice Askthepizzaguy's mutilated body. The old man cursed. How could this have happened? It's impossible!

***

The Scourge of Ephesus - Day 4

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Efes-GateofAugustus.jpg

The Gate of Augustus - 8.30 am

The tourists gathered near the formidable ancient structure. They found the old man, trembling. He seemed to be talking to himself.

"Impossible! It's impossible! It wasn't supposed to happen! How? How?"

One of the tourists gave him a slap in the face.

"Shut up! Annoying old fool! What's the problem?"

"He found the decapacitated body of Askthepizzaguy. That's the problem." The strong athletic man jumped down from a nearby rock. He stared at the tourist who had slapped the old man. "And you better leave that man alone, or you'll have to deal with me."

Some tourists started to protest.

"Oh yeah? And why should we listen to you? People keep dying! You fool!"

The man draw the attention of the tourists to the blade and gun on his belt.

"Let's start voting, shall we?"

Frustrated, the tourists started to vote. Again...

***

Alive (22)

boudica
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
seireikhaan
Rythmic
shlin28
Tiberius of the Drake
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
Quintus.JC
YLC
Sigurd
woad&fangs
Yoyoma1910
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
CountArach
Caius
El Diablo
Glyphz
Seamus Fermanagh
Ignoramus

Killed (5) :

777Ares777
TheFlax
White_Eyes :D
Reenk Roink
Askthepizzaguy

Lynched (3) :

TinCow
Tevashzat
FactionHeir

WoG/Suicide (0):

It's day. You can start voting

Day will last for +/- 24 hours.

Good luck :bow:

Note : some participants risk to get WoG'ed at the end of this round.

GeneralHankerchief

01-13-2009, 23:18

FWIW, I tried to protect/block ATPG and boudica tonight. I have no idea why I failed.

-edit- Will post the Andres PM as soon as I get it.

GeneralHankerchief

01-13-2009, 23:26

Here it is. I guess I just wasn't fast enough, dunno.

You hurried to the place where you were supposed to pick up Askthepizzaguy. You hear voices and a horrible scream. As fast as your old bones can carry you, you run to the temple.

You see a shadow on a wall. Frightened (you're not exactly a hero) you seek cover. You wait a bit and sneak carefully towards the designated spot, only to find ATPG's dead body.

How is this possible? This wasn't supposed to happen! You're starting to tremble, but you still remember your other protégé of the night.

You took boudica with you, to the secret corridor.

You started to tell boudica about Ancient Rome and the history of Turkey.

Like all the others, boudica fell asleep, bored as hell...

Andres.

TinCow

01-13-2009, 23:34

Looks to me like a mafia kill on questionable scum. ATPG appears to have had a role, and based on his dialog in the write-up, it doesn't look pro-town. The sword attacker reminds me a lot of the Yakuza mafioso in the first game. In that game, the Yakuza role was particularly good at killing other mafioso and could even defeat them if he was attacked first (which actually happened). Notice the specific dialog that ATPG uses:

“This is even going better than I first planned. If I'm quick, I'll be out of here without anybody noticing it..."

This indicates a goal that seems along the lines of what Günner and Fehrad would want to accomplish. Find an object and survive. Thus, my money is on a Yakuza mafioso offing Günner or Fehrad.

White_eyes:D

01-14-2009, 00:07

"This place just Reeinks of ancient ghosts”
Anyone guess why Reenk wanted to be Killed or lynched now????:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Reenk Roink

01-14-2009, 00:09

White_eyes:D

01-14-2009, 00:16

Askthepizzaguy's death is by blade and not gun, suspecting me to believe it was by the same guy who offed me and not Mafia.

White_eyes:D I never wanted to be lynched, though that clue basically gives my role away I guess...

The man drew something from atop his left shoulder and before Reenk Roink could utter another word, he felt a sharing pain in his throat. He fell to the ground feeling tired and as his life force ebbed out from the gash in his throat, the shadow bent down and whispered in his ear.

The shadow sneered: “So this is what's going on here? You think you can escape me? My sword will liberate you today”. The shadow stepped out in the moonlight and a black clad man with a silver scull embroidered on his chest, drew a sword from the top of his left shoulder.
Same M.O:yes:.....yep, you got yourselves a SK/vigilante:yes:

ULC

01-14-2009, 00:18

It would appear so - I am trying to look through and figure out, by reading the previous mafia, what roles are. It appears we have grave robbers of some sort, other then that, they are bit inscrutable.

Also, I'd like to point out we had only ONE kill tonight. This makes me suspect Boudica slightly, since it's possible we nailed a killer a while back and thus are down to two and the "grave robbers" are capable of killing, but that's the best lead I have now.

ULC

01-14-2009, 00:19

Oops, forgot to add my vote

Vote:Boudica

TinCow

01-14-2009, 00:31

Same M.O:yes:.....yep, you got yourselves a SK/vigilante:yes:

On what basis do you conclude that it is SK/vigilante rather than mafia?

White_eyes:D

01-14-2009, 00:37

On what basis do you conclude that it is SK/vigilante rather than mafia?

silver skull embroidered on his chest Ever watch the movie....."The Punisher"?:smg:

I mean...reenk and ATPG...were likely Mafia......:yes:

Reenk Roink

01-14-2009, 00:43

On what basis do you conclude that it is SK/vigilante rather than mafia?

On the differing kill methods... Frankly a more solid base than the Yakuza theory.

woad&fangs

01-14-2009, 00:58

Sorry for not being active. I was paying attention to the golden rule game and couldn't convince myself to read the 100s of posts that were piling up in this one. Bad excuse, I know.

So I'll read the thread tonight and then try to be an active participant from now on...

Beefy187

01-14-2009, 01:01

Vote: QJC

If I say the reason why, ill end up dead

Quintus.JC

01-14-2009, 01:06

School coursework taking its toll...

Vote: QJC

If I say the reason why, ill end up dead

And the reason is?

GeneralHankerchief

01-14-2009, 01:09

I would caution those who vote a certain way because I simply targeted a person at night. There could be a number of explanations for the fluctuating kill rate.

Lord Winter

01-14-2009, 01:18

Okay so we have to trends:

1. Scummy people keep getting off'd
2. Grave robbers instead of kills.

For 1. My guess is that its merely the effects of the two mafia famillies going at each other. One familly is clearly trying to eliminate the other before turning on the town. Ethier that or we have a vigillante, but I'm less inclined to belive that. So that means that any scum will e lurking as to not draw suspicision when they don't die. We all know that the players that talk the most always come under the most fire. Or else if there're inexperianced they'll stick out and can be dealt with from there. Nethier of these theroies are perfect, there's some WIFOM that has to be dealt with but its a thought.

My guess for the kill rate differences is the Mafia has some sort of investigation power that they can use as an alternative for killing.

Beefy187

01-14-2009, 01:25

School coursework taking its toll...

And the reason is?

Gut or natural instincts.. Take your pick :clown: See now im good as dead :sweatdrop:

woad&fangs

01-14-2009, 01:29

My guess for the kill rate differences is the Mafia has some sort of investigation power that they can use as an alternative for killing.

I believe this was the case in Taormina, so its plausible for this game

...read to page 10....will be back later....

Caius

01-14-2009, 01:40

Oops, forgot to add my vote

Vote:Boudica
How do you come with that vote? the PM of GH revealed says that (she?) was blocked.

El Diablo

01-14-2009, 01:41

Vote Boudica

Note that a no deaths night could just be the result of Mafia killing every second night - but I have no other clues and at leats this has the slightest hint of a possible mafia killing.

Am up for changing votes if someone can give a better reason. I don't know the story that everyone else is going on about.

Who are Günner and Fehrad for example?

ULC

01-14-2009, 01:47

How do you come with that vote? the PM of GH revealed says that (she?) was blocked.

*sighs* I am not saying boudica is our "skull" SK, I am saying boudica may be mafia because we are at 2 kills per night now, and there was a lack of a kill tonight - if boudica was mafia, and was blocked, that would explain it. I could be wrong, but at the very least it's a lot strong then other cases currently. However, I fear our "Guide" will die tonight, however much I hope for something else, such as QJC dieing, I think the SK is done playing games and will off GH.

TinCow

01-14-2009, 02:04

For those looking at boudica because she was blocked, I will again point out that Sigurd and Quintus.JC were also blocked on a night with just 1 kill.

Chaotix

01-14-2009, 02:17

Vote: QJC

If I say the reason why, ill end up dead

Vote: Beefy

That's total WIFOM (or something along the lines of it, anyway), and I'm surprised it's gone unnoticed till now. How do you expect QJC to be lynched if you won't tell us why to vote for him? Furthermore, for what reason did you think you would stay alive on the basis of not providing a reason for your vote, instead of the other way around?

Any reason that you could have must be better than no reason at all- until you explain your vote, you're looking kinda scummy to me.

Reenk Roink

01-14-2009, 02:18

For those looking at boudica because she was blocked, I will again point out that Sigurd and Quintus.JC were also blocked on a night with just 1 kill.

And yet TevashSzat was a good lynch and it was good for me to be killed because we were both roleblocked on night 2? :inquisitive: :rolleyes4:

The wishy-washiness and inconsistencies of many of your theories is maddening.

El Diablo

01-14-2009, 02:34

And yet TevashSzat was a good lynch

Ummm YOU told us to lynch Tevash, and then cast the deciding vote???

Also at time we did not know that you had been blocked!!!!

Your mutterings are starting to look more scummy and less helpful to town.

Beefy187

01-14-2009, 02:40

Vote: Beefy

That's total WIFOM (or something along the lines of it, anyway), and I'm surprised it's gone unnoticed till now. How do you expect QJC to be lynched if you won't tell us why to vote for him? Furthermore, for what reason did you think you would stay alive on the basis of not providing a reason for your vote, instead of the other way around?

Any reason that you could have must be better than no reason at all- until you explain your vote, you're looking kinda scummy to me.

I understand. I just thought QJC is scummy for me and thats my personal opinion. If everyone ales disagrees then his not going to get lynched.

Reason I voted for QJC is because ATPG was killed. I suspect the murderer are the player who played with ATPG in the last few games and considered him a threat. However by saying this, I realized that ATPG accused me before I died and thus ill be seen as a likely suspect. Which I am not, because by killing ATPG it will pretty much confirm him innocent and makes it even more dangerous for the mafia then it originally were. But by saying this its a WIFOM and its going to get my lynched.

Here I signed to the letter of death for me. Hang me, crucify me, do as you wish :shame:

Sorry for the poor performance so far. If not in this game.

Reenk Roink

01-14-2009, 02:54

Ummm YOU told us to lynch Tevash, and then cast the deciding vote???

Also at time we did not know that you had been blocked!!!!

Your mutterings are starting to look more scummy and less helpful to town.

Er you are completely missing my point. TevashSzat was a GREAT lynch, but not because of inferences made from his roleblock. Rather because of the greatness of destiny and Andres and probability conferring favoring me.

However, according to TinCow, TevashSzat was a good lynch because he was roleblocked and there were no kills. Now he is taking a completely different approach with boudica. I am merely pointing out his inconsistency.

TevashSzat

01-14-2009, 02:55

Askthepizzaguy's death is by blade and not gun, suspecting me to believe it was by the same guy who offed me and not Mafia.

White_eyes:D I never wanted to be lynched, though that clue basically gives my role away I guess...

So you guys finally see how I wasn't guilty at all right? Reenk just had a special role that probably needed him dead or almost killed or something like that, sheesh I can't believe you guys were still thinking that I was scummy.....

woad&fangs

01-14-2009, 02:55

boudica- I suck at analyzing new players
GeneralHankerchief-roleblocker=innocent
Jolt- Worth a look
seireikhaan- seems similar to Golden in my opinion. I believe he was scum in GR so a possible scum
Rythmic- WoG bait, not worth a lynch
shlin28-seems kind of quiet, don't know what to make of it
Tiberius of the Drake- seems quiet, but he usually is
187Beefyz- I'm not getting good vibes off of him
Chaotix27- no opinion
Quintus.JC- no opinion
YLC- umm, is he a vigilante? If so I say we go with the tried and true "kill the vig" strategy. irony/
Sigurd-Seems normal so far, worth a look later on when there's more to analyze
woad&fangs-THAT'S ME!
Yoyoma1910- I want to see how GR turns out before I pass judgement on him
Ibn-Khaldun- I think more pressure should be put on him
Lord Winter- basically confirmed innocent because of inactivity. No idea why the scum let him live
CountArach- I believe his busy excuse
Caius- appears Caiusy.
El Diablo- wait...he didn't get meatballed on round 1??? That's really out of character. lynch him!
Glyphz- I think he's a lot quieter(like in this game) when he doesn't have a role. probably innocent.
Seamus Fermanagh- seems to be his normal analytical self
Ignoramus- lurking. nothing new from when i've played with him in the past.

so... from my scummy list

Jolt
seireikhaan
shlin28
beefy
YLC
Ibn-Khaldun

lets vote: shlin28

Chaotix

01-14-2009, 03:03

I understand. I just thought QJC is scummy for me and thats my personal opinion. If everyone ales disagrees then his not going to get lynched.

Reason I voted for QJC is because ATPG was killed. I suspect the murderer are the player who played with ATPG in the last few games and considered him a threat. However by saying this, I realized that ATPG accused me before I died and thus ill be seen as a likely suspect. Which I am not, because by killing ATPG it will pretty much confirm him innocent and makes it even more dangerous for the mafia then it originally were. But by saying this its a WIFOM and its going to get my lynched.

Here I signed to the letter of death for me. Hang me, crucify me, do as you wish :shame:

Sorry for the poor performance so far. If not in this game.

Alright, now that we have that taken care of...

Unvote: Beefy

I'm not getting really scummy vibes any more now that you've explained your vote, which seems to be more or less just a hunch anyway. I thought you might have had a role and were hiding something... :laugh4:

Now, I'm gonna Vote: Jolt, because even after his explanation, although I have no reason to believe it's false, it still looks like he was just pining for an excuse to lurk early on. Though I suppose I myself should not be one to talk..

TinCow

01-14-2009, 04:47

And yet TevashSzat was a good lynch and it was good for me to be killed because we were both roleblocked on night 2? :inquisitive: :rolleyes4:

The wishy-washiness and inconsistencies of many of your theories is maddening.

Don't be obtuse. My point was not that boudica is a bad lynch, but rather that Sigurd and Quintus are equally worthy of the same attention.

Yoyoma1910

01-14-2009, 04:52

vote:jolt

same reason as last round.

Reenk Roink

01-14-2009, 04:59

Don't be obtuse. My point was not that boudica is a bad lynch, but rather that Sigurd and Quintus are equally worthy of the same attention.

Well this is a much better clarification, but I do hope you can realize how a person would interpret your initial statement in the manner I did without being obtuse.

Lord Winter

01-14-2009, 06:34

I understand. I just thought QJC is scummy for me and thats my personal opinion. If everyone ales disagrees then his not going to get lynched.

Reason I voted for QJC is because ATPG was killed. I suspect the murderer are the player who played with ATPG in the last few games and considered him a threat. However by saying this, I realized that ATPG accused me before I died and thus ill be seen as a likely suspect. Which I am not, because by killing ATPG it will pretty much confirm him innocent and makes it even more dangerous for the mafia then it originally were. But by saying this its a WIFOM and its going to get my lynched.

Here I signed to the letter of death for me. Hang me, crucify me, do as you wish :shame:

Sorry for the poor performance so far. If not in this game.

Why not just post that at first? If nothing else its erratic behavior which is the best lead I've got for now.

Vote: Beefyz

Also there are multiple families, so a kill isn't a confirmed innocent.

Beefy187

01-14-2009, 07:34

Why not just post that at first? If nothing else its erratic behavior which is the best lead I've got for now.

Vote: Beefyz

Also there are multiple families, so a kill isn't a confirmed innocent.

Oh yea thats right. Forgot about the multiple families.

boudica

01-14-2009, 10:22

1) I was indeed lulled to sleep by GH last night.
2) I am not a member of either mafia family
3) I shall be back later to answer any questions if anyone has any / protest my innocence / vote later on today

Sigurd

01-14-2009, 11:28

I had to quickly read over the thread again to freshen up on things.
The night reports from Andres were particularly interesting (hard to find without a separate thread or links in the OP). :smash:

Night one #102
Night two #259
Night three #317
Night four #428

On the first night there was only one kill by a silenced gun. There is also something about a hysterical man and blades.

Second night has no kills, but yet again the hysterical man whet stoning a sword which is incidentally dropped and later picked up by the athletic man. Also, he seems to talk to someone or is schizophrenic. Two men digging up the graves of the dead looking for something and lose a gun which is later picked up by the athletic man.

Third night had three kills. Hysterical man destroys the statue of Atemis.
The shadow kills RR accusing him of seeking a package.
Two kills by men with silenced guns.

Fourth night had one kill. No mention of the hysterical man. A new character (shady figure) finds an envelope. Two dark figures dig up the graves of the dead.
The shadow kills pizzaguy implying some shady business going on.

My initial thought after reading the night reports is that we are possibly dealing with several active night roles. I have coloured them based on alignment. Neutral (green) until we can determine if they are good or bad for town.

Night one:
1 gun killer
1 crazy guy.

Night two
2 guys (digging up bodies)
1 crazy guy
1 companion of crazy guy

Night three
1 crazy guy
1 shadow killer
2 gun killers

Night four
1 shady guy
1 shadow killer
2 guys (digging up bodies)

All in all 8 characters.

I suspect however that the two gun killers and the grave diggers are the same. They are taking every other night off to dig up the bodies they shot the night before. They are obviously looking for something inside the bodies and need to kill them in order to be able to check them.

This brings us down to 6 characters.
We know that GH is the old guy and that the athletic guy has a sword and a gun. Could it be that the athletic guy is the shadow killer?
The total should then be around 7 characters.

Crazy guy and apprentice = Bernard and Juliette
2 guys with guns and showels = Günner and Fehrad
Shadow killer = Manfredo
Shady guy = secret role…
Old blocker guy (GH)

We also suspect that RR, Tevash and pizzaguy possibly had roles. But there were 2 diggers on night 4 which according to my theory counts for both Günner and Fehrad being alive.
It could also mean that even if we did kill/lynch bad guys, the bad guys are recruiting.
Could it be that YLC is the shadow killer?

My vote this round goes to CountArach. He was quite active in the first part of this game, but has since dropped off the planet. He mentioned a hectic week at work, but his initial analysis makes me suspect he is in the informed minority. He called Bernard a Godfather type. I can’t see where he would get that idea.

Vote: CountArach.

CountArach

01-14-2009, 12:06

My vote this round goes to CountArach. He was quite active in the first part of this game, but has since dropped off the planet. He mentioned a hectic week at work, but his initial analysis makes me suspect he is in the informed minority. He called Bernard a Godfather type. I can’t see where he would get that idea.

Vote: CountArach.

Well I'm much less busy now. I'm still busy until about Sunday but I should be able to get some posting done. I'll have some analysis done within the next hour.

Jolt

01-14-2009, 12:49

Now, I'm gonna Vote: Jolt, because even after his explanation, although I have no reason to believe it's false, it still looks like he was just pining for an excuse to lurk early on. Though I suppose I myself should not be one to talk..

Bleh@reason for vote. Being proven (As I have) that I didn't kill any of the three (Since even if I lied about my own personal life, the fact is that I wasn't online in the day there were 3 people killed), and thinking there are like 6 killers, and supposing that noone of them has been killed I have less than 5% (Like 3/90, not good at math) of being someone with a mafia role. Thus, you're basically lynching at random, and since most of us are townies, you have a gigantic chance (100%, for lynching me) to lynch a townie.
Yoyoma's reason is (Sorry, no offence, since you may lynch who you wish) stupid beyond conception.

I was stuck between YLC and CA, but I'll go with YLC.

Vote: YLC

EDIT: Since I'm at risk of being lynched, I'll prefer CA who already has a vote.

Unvote: YLC
Vote: CountArach

CountArach

01-14-2009, 12:59

FoS: Jolt

Retaliatory voting to ensure he is not lynched. Lots of people disagree about this, but I think that most people know where I stand - a townie should be willing to go quietly so we can hear the mafia go out with a bang.

I believe that Beefy has been something of a strange player this game. This post isn't getting very much attention.

Vote: QJC

If I say the reason why, ill end up dead
His later explanation of gut instinct is just useless. Random voting at this point, where we do actually have evidence, is not pro-town gameplay. It simply serves to misdirect the town and dorwns out useful discussion.

Vote: Beefy

Jolt

01-14-2009, 13:11

What's FoS?

CountArach

01-14-2009, 13:21

What's FoS?
Finger of Suspicion. Basically I am just saying that I am keeping my eye on you.

TinCow

01-14-2009, 13:26

Sigurd, thanks for the summary, you've got some useful info there. I hadn't noticed that the repeated descriptions of the shadowy killer, but it's definitely there. Notice in the OP:

Manfredo : a man surrounded by shadows; his abilities and allegiance are secret.

The shadows aren't a coincidence, the shadow killer is Manfredo.

In addition, you point out that the athletic man picked up a gun and a sword. Both murders by the shadow killer have been with a blade, the second one specifically with a sword. This is consistent with my earlier theory that Manfredo is the athletic man.

So, it seems to me that Manfredo is leading the lynch voting and has killed two people who appeared scummy, not random targets. Thus, I think Manfredo is pro-town and is at least a vigilante, if not a combo vigilante/detective type role.

Günner and Fehrad seem to have to examine dead bodies. They seem happy to look at bodies that other people have killed to try and find their object, but they also generate more bodies of their own when needed. Their kills are more random than Manfredo's. I also do think that ATPG's death write-up and its placement immediately after the Günner and Fehrad action description gives a possibility that ATPG was either Günner or Fehrad. There is the added complication of GH blocking ATPG on that night, but the failure of that to work might have a couple causes. Maybe Günner and Fehrad are immune to it or maybe Manfredo somehow caused it to fail.

RR claims to be the hysterical man, who is essentially a 'ghost.' This now seems plausible to me based on the write-ups.

This leaves Bernard and Isabelle as the only unknown roles left. Bernard is clearly trying to kill Manfredo. Isabelle is a copy of a similar role in the previous game. That means she'll be killing people who previously voted for Bernard. I think it would be a very valuable exercise to pay close attention to who any dead person voted for if an Isabelle kill pops up. So far, she does not appear to kill, which suggests that Bernard has never received a lynch vote.

ULC

01-14-2009, 13:47

Bleh@reason for vote. Being proven (As I have) that I didn't kill any of the three (Since even if I lied about my own personal life, the fact is that I wasn't online in the day there were 3 people killed), and thinking there are like 6 killers, and supposing that noone of them has been killed I have less than 5% (Like 3/90, not good at math) of being someone with a mafia role. Thus, you're basically lynching at random, and since most of us are townies, you have a gigantic chance (100%, for lynching me) to lynch a townie.
Yoyoma's reason is (Sorry, no offence, since you may lynch who you wish) stupid beyond conception.

I was stuck between YLC and CA, but I'll go with YLC.

Vote: YLC

EDIT: Since I'm at risk of being lynched, I'll prefer CA who already has a vote.

Unvote: YLC
Vote: CountArach

Nonetheless, please explain the case more thoroughly against me and CA.

Jolt

01-14-2009, 13:50

Finger of Suspicion. Basically I am just saying that I am keeping my eye on you.

Aren't townies supposed to survive? >_> I'm with all this noise since I am being lynched for no reason. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever for me to die (As Chaotix said). I've illibated myself already. Thus I even have less chance of being a Mafia guy than most people around here (With the exception of Lord Winter, I think). I wonder why other people like QJC or Yoyoma, aren't getting more attention.

Jolt

01-14-2009, 14:03

Nonetheless, please explain the case more thoroughly against me and CA.

In your supposed showdown with RR might be a bit of coincidence that he was killed before that could happen, and curiously enough you also got correct with your prediction of ATPG dieing, furthermore these last days you have been rather quiet. On CA I thought Sigurd's analysis was correct, but I had stronger suspicions, about you, thus why I voted for you in the beginning.

ULC

01-14-2009, 14:16

In your supposed showdown with RR might be a bit of coincidence that he was killed before that could happen, and curiously enough you also got correct with your prediction of ATPG dieing, furthermore these last days you have been rather quiet. On CA I thought Sigurd's analysis was correct, but I had stronger suspicions, about you, thus why I voted for you in the beginning.

That's called luck, bad or good, name it. I am not the Vig, I'm a bloody townie, just like you.

Ibn-Khaldun

01-14-2009, 15:03

Ibn-Khaldun- I think more pressure should be put on him

And the reason is????:inquisitive:

Anyway I Vote: shlin28

TinCow

01-14-2009, 15:28

Tally:

boudica: 2 (YLC, El Diablo)
Jolt: 2 (Chaotix27, Yoyoma1910)
shlin28: 2 (woad&fangs, Ibn-Khaldun)
187Beefyz: 2 (Lord Winter, CountArach)
CountArach: 2 (Sigurd, Jolt)

Quintus.JC: 1 (187Beefyz)

Nice 5 way tie we've got going here.

GeneralHankerchief

01-14-2009, 15:30

Screw it, let's make it six.

Vote: Quintus.JC

Ibn-Khaldun

01-14-2009, 15:48

Unvote: shlin28

Vote: Jolt

Tally:

Jolt: 3 (Chaotix27, Yoyoma1910, Ibn-Khaldun)

boudica: 2 (YLC, El Diablo)
187Beefyz: 2 (Lord Winter, CountArach)
CountArach: 2 (Sigurd, Jolt)
Quintus.JC: 2 (187Beefyz, GeneralHankerchief)
shlin28: 1 (woad&fangs)

TinCow

01-14-2009, 15:51

Care to explain that vote change? As I see it, the case against Jolt is the weakest out of all 6 of the lynch contenders. He is a curious choice to put out in front without any explanation.

Jolt

01-14-2009, 16:06

I'm a controversy provoker/agitator. :P

Ibn-Khaldun

01-14-2009, 16:12

Care to explain that vote change? As I see it, the case against Jolt is the weakest out of all 6 of the lynch contenders. He is a curious choice to put out in front without any explanation.

I just did not want to see 6 people to get lynched.

Jolt

01-14-2009, 16:19

So you pick the one of all of those, which is more proven to be an innocent.

(Wait, 5 people are lynched at the same time? I thought one of us was randomly lynched, instead of all five of us.)

Andres

01-14-2009, 16:23

:faq:

Note:

In this game, voting "No Lynch" will be counted as an abstain. When a tie is reached at the end of the day, the game host will randomly (as in "completely at random") lynch one of the players in the tie.

Ibn-Khaldun

01-14-2009, 16:31

:faq:

Yes, but we can never know when you have some devious plan to kill 6 people.. well.. in-game that is. :clown:

TinCow

01-14-2009, 16:34

So you're now basing your vote change on the notion that the person running this game won't follow his own rules?

Ibn-Khaldun

01-14-2009, 16:40

No.

But it's better to lynch someone ourselves then let game host to randomly pick one.

Andres

01-14-2009, 16:41

:inquisitive:

Is my infallibleness being questioned?

*** prepares earthquakes and lightning bolts ***

TinCow

01-14-2009, 16:45

No.

But it's better to lynch someone ourselves then let game host to randomly pick one.

I agree, but the question remains why you decided to go with Jolt rather than any of the other 5 contenders. You have not yet given such an explanation.

Quintus.JC

01-14-2009, 16:49

Vote: QJC

If I say the reason why, ill end up dead

It seems that Beefy knew I was blocked the previous night, and the number of deaths decreased dramatically. He didn't want to reveal that fact so went for a blinding vote against me and hoped for someone to jump on the bandwaggon, this would suggest he is town. am I right Beefy? or have you got any other reason to vote for me, people doesn't like it when a person votes for another person without giving any reason for their choice.

Quintus.JC

01-14-2009, 16:55

I understand. I just thought QJC is scummy for me and thats my personal opinion. If everyone ales disagrees then his not going to get lynched.

Reason I voted for QJC is because ATPG was killed. I suspect the murderer are the player who played with ATPG in the last few games and considered him a threat. However by saying this, I realized that ATPG accused me before I died and thus ill be seen as a likely suspect. Which I am not, because by killing ATPG it will pretty much confirm him innocent and makes it even more dangerous for the mafia then it originally were. But by saying this its a WIFOM and its going to get my lynched.

Here I signed to the letter of death for me. Hang me, crucify me, do as you wish :shame:

Sorry for the poor performance so far. If not in this game.

ATPG made himself a murder bait by saying all the stuff he said. Your accusation would also apply to all the other players that played numerous games with APTG, it just doesn't build up...

GeneralHankerchief

01-14-2009, 17:24

Frankly I don't think any of the favorites for this round look guilty.

Boudica seems innocent to me, I don't trust Sigurd (who voted for CA) as far as I can throw him, Quintus is helping out, and Beefy would be playing a better game if he was mafia (see Golden Rule) and Jolt doesn't stand out enough in my mind to be lynched.

White_eyes:D

01-14-2009, 18:10

I think I know who is Manfredo:grin2: but I will wait one more night to be sure.....(if I say...he could change his target and do nothing or be killed by others......:shrug:)

shlin28

01-14-2009, 18:43

Vote: Woady

I think evidence points to my innocence, than my guiltyness (ie me being blocked the previous phase)

El Diablo

01-14-2009, 20:57

There seems to be better reasons to vote for people than the one I had thus

Unvote Boudica Vote Abstain

Ibn-Khaldun

01-14-2009, 21:45

After carefully thinking this through I Unvote: Jolt and Vote: Abstain

glyphz

01-14-2009, 22:16

~:handball:
...
:shrug:

Vote: Abstain
*Steps a distance away from Ibn-Khaldun, lest he be struck by forces of nature*

(I'll) Let Andres decide...

Tally:

Jolt: 2 (Chaotix27, Yoyoma1910)
187Beefyz: 2 (Lord Winter, CountArach)
CountArach: 2 (Sigurd, Jolt)
Quintus.JC: 2 (187Beefyz, GeneralHankerchief)

shlin28: 1 (woad&fangs)
boudica: 1 (YLC)
woad&fangs: 1 (shlin28)

Andres

01-14-2009, 23:16

Voting concluded.

Stand by for execution.

Andres

01-14-2009, 23:46

The Scourge of Ephesus - Day 4 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Efes-GateofAugustus.jpg

The Gate of Augustus - 8.30 pm

The tourists started to discuss again.

Arguing, quarrelling, bickering, discussing, they continued and continued but today, they didn't seem capable of reaching a consensus.

At the end of the day, four tourists had the same amount of votes.

The athletic man started to get nervous.

"Come on, this isn't possible. I just have a coin, I can break a tie between two people, but four... How will I do that?"

All of the sudden, Ignoramus stood up.

"I will make the decision!"

The gathered tourists stared at him. It was the first time since very long they heard his voice.

Ignoramus walked forwards and with a dramatical gesture, he turned to the four suspects. All of the sudden, he stopped.

"I, Ignoramus, have decided..."

He took a deep breath and stepped forward.

"That the person to be lynched today is...."

He stopped, took another deep breath and dramatically ran towards the suspects. Unfortunately, he stumbled. He tried to keep his balance, but fell on a rock. His face covered in blood, he stood up again, yelling: "This is proof! This means I was right, but he's using his unnatural powers to stop me. Ha! I will point at him now."

Ignoramus points at a pilar and walks up to it. "It is you! You! You!" And he hit the pillar with his fist. Unfortunately, this caused a piece of marble to fall down, crushing his skull, killing Ignoramus instantly...

The tourists looked at it in agony.

"Okay, okay, enough of this idiocy!" Rythmic said. "I will cast the deciding vote!"

He turned to the four suspects, who were starting to feel rather bored by now. Some of them preferred to be lynched over standing in the sun for an eternity until one of these clowns would finally take a decision.

With a sardonic smile, Rythmic said: "And the winner is..."

All of the sudden, Rythmic stopped.

"My heart..., oh no..."

He fell down, struck by a heart attack. Within 5 minutes he was dead.

The athletic man stood up.

"Ok, enough of this! Bring the four suspects to me. I have used my blade to make 4 straws. Each of you will draw a straw. The person with the short straw will be lynched."

He offered the straws to Jolt.

"You pick first."

Jolt drew the short straw...

"Ok, it seems like you're the one who's going to die... The blade or the gun?"

"Before I go," Jolt started, "I would like to thank my travel agent, for arranging this wonderful holliday. I mean, it all looked so real, the drama, the blood. You guys are fantastic actors. And the scenery! Wonderful! When I asked my travel agent to give me a special treatment, I didn't quite expect this. You there with the blade, can I take one last picture from you? You're so good, man!"

"The gun or the blade, you idiot!"

"Hahahaha! You guys don't know when to stop, do you? Fantastic! F-A-N-T-A-S-T-I-C ! If this were a movie, you'd all get a nomination for..."

The athletic man took the blade and with a blow quick as lightning, he chopped of Jolts' head.

"At last, this day is over. Let us all go to sleep."

The tourists looked at the fresh body.

"Will we burry him?"

"Why would we? Everytime we burry somebody, some madman digs him up again. Threw him somewhere out of sight. That should do."

The tourists all left the scene, looking for a place to sleep.

***

Tally:

Jolt : 2 (Chaotix27, Yoyoma1910) :skull:

187Beefyz : 2 (Lord Winter, CountArach)
CountArach: 2 (Sigurd, Jolt)
Quintus.JC: 2 (187Beefyz, GeneralHankerchief)

shlin28: 1 (woad&fangs)
boudica: 1 (YLC)
woad&fangs: 1 (shlin28)

Abstain : 3 (Ibn-Khaldun, El Diablo, glyphz)
Not voting: 8 (boudica, 'khaan, Rythmic, Tiberius, Quintus.JC, Caius, Seamus, Ignoramus)

Alive (19)

boudica
GeneralHankerchief
seireikhaan
shlin28
Tiberius of the Drake
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
Quintus.JC
YLC
Sigurd
woad&fangs
Yoyoma1910
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
CountArach
Caius
El Diablo
Glyphz
Seamus Fermanagh

Killed (5) :

777Ares777
TheFlax
White_Eyes :D
Reenk Roink
Askthepizzaguy

Lynched (4) :

TinCow
Tevashzat
FactionHeir
Jolt

WoG/Suicide (2):
Rythmic
Ignoramus

It's now night. PM's please

Night will last for +/- 23 hours 30 minutes.