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Taormina - three years ago.
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Bernard saw the boat with Manfredo leaving the island. Ignoring the pain of a broken arm, leg and four ribs, he yelled at the ship:
"I will get you, Manfredo! I will find you and I will cut you in thousand little pieces! One day, Bernard will get his revenge!"
***
The old City of Ephesus - Turkey - Present.
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Efese-Celsusbibliotheek.jpg
5.00 pm - near the old Celsus Library
Several years had passed since the events in Taormina (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=103099&highlight=taormina).
An old man was giving an explanation to the last group of tourists near the well preserved remnants of the ancient library of Celsus in Ephesus.
Manfredo, aged 60 now, was listening to the explanation of the old man and tried to imagine himself how this building once contained between 12.000 and 15.000 scrolls.
When the old man told about the secret and hidden corridor that once connected the library with a nearby brothel, as to allow the ancient scientists and philosophers to discretely discover some more earthly pleasures, the audience laughed.
At the same moment, Manfredo, warned by some sort of a sixth sense and incredible reflexes, qualities which saved his life more then once during his career as a hitman, could duck away just in time, avoiding the bullet.
The tourists and the guide yelled and panicked. They ran away, looking for cover.
***
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Efese-Odeion.jpg
8.00 pm - In the ancient Odeion.
The tourists were gathered in the ancient Odeion.
For reasons beyond their comprehension, the local police didn't respond to phone calls, the taxis that are usually crawling around the site, were gone and no buses or local dolmushes were near the site.
One of the tourists, a tall man, stood up and started to talk:
"Well, it seems like nobody is going to help us in the near future. I suggest we try to get some sleep now and maybe tomorrow morning help will arive."
***
The awful scar on his face, made Bernard's grin look diabolic.
As always dressed in black, he looked around him.
Manfredo had to be there, among them. The cunning retired hitman probably disguised himself after Bernard's failed murder attempt.
Bernard grinned again. He knew what he had to do to make sure Manfredo would die: kill every single one of these people.
He knew he had all the time in the world. His niece and assistant, Isabelle, had taken care of everything. It would take more then two weeks before anybody would bother to take a look at Ephesus. Thanks to her skills, the whole world believed entrance of the site was strictly forbidden because of important scientific research.
He looked up and noticed his niece staring at him. She was dressed like a regular female tourist.
He grinned again.
***
Manfredo anxiously stared at his feet. He knew who was after him. His quickly assembled disguise was rubbish and he knew it, but it should be enough to fool others who glared at him from a distance.
He looked at the people around him and sighed.
***
Günner and Fehrad stared at each other.
They had to get the hidden package back to Antalya fast. These unexpected circumstances were very, very inconvenient...
***
It would be a bloody night...
Welcome to :
The Scourge of Ephesus
(The Revenge of Bernard)
Rules:
I. Basic mafia rules
There are several sides in this game, each with their own goal.
Basic mafia rules apply. For those new to mafia, I'll repeat them here, for your convenience:
Tourists are the townies in this game.
The townies are the innocent people and they have to lynch the mafiosi during the day. The mafiosi have to kill a set number of townies each night. When all mafiosi are lynched, the town wins. When all townies are dead, the mafia wins.
Each day or night phase will last 24 hours. This may be extended due to real life circumstances.
The townies have to decide during the day by voting who will get lynched. The person with the most votes, will be lynched.
Votes have to be made like this:
Vote : Andres
When you want to switch your vote, you have to do it like this:
Unvote : Andres ; Vote : TosaInu
Please remember to BOLD YOUR VOTES! UNBOLDED VOTES WILL NOT BE COUNTED! No exceptions will be made.
Note:
In this game, voting "No Lynch" will be counted as an abstain. When a tie is reached at the end of the day, the game host will randomly (as in "completely at random") lynch one of the players in the tie.
In short: there will always be a lynch at the end of the day phase. Yes, yours truly is very bloodthirsty :evil:
II. Specific rules
* Revealing your role "in private" (= outside of this thread) is not allowed.
* It's not allowed to quote role pm's or night actions results in private. Feel free to quote all other pm traffic, including mine (unless I explicity state in a particular pm that you are not allowed to quote it). You can quote/fabricate/forge anything you want in the public thread while being alive. Quoting chatlogs idem ditto.
* Do not post screenshots.
* The dead are allowed to talk in the thread, but cannot communicate about this game outside of the thread.
* No post mortem reveal of role/night actions. no post mortem quoting/copy-pasting of pm's, chatlogs or any other non public communication ("non public communication" as in "communication that occured outside of this thread) you had while still alive. Paraphrasing, alluding, fabricating, forging is allowed.
III. Roles.
Manfredo : a man surrounded by shadows; his abilities and allegiance are secret.
Bernard and Isabelle : Bernard is here for revenge. His psychopatic niece, who is secretly in love with her own uncle, will assist him.
Günner and Fehrad: their plans got interrupted by these events. They need to get something out of this place. At all costs...
Secret role(s): classified information.
Roles will be assigned using random org.
IV MOST IMPORTANT RULE :
HAVE FUN!
Game is now open for sign up! 30 players would be perfect, but the game can be played with 20 (absolute minimum) to 40 (absolute maximum) players.
Sign-ups so far (30) :
boudica
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
seireikhaan
Rythmic
777Ares777
shlin28
Tiberius of the Drake
Reenk Roink
White_Eyes :D
Tevashzat
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC
YLC
Sigurd
woad&fangs
Yoyoma1910
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
CountArach
TinCow
TheFlax
Caius
El Diablo
Glyphz
FactionHeir
Seamus Fermanagh
Ignoramus
I'd like to book a spot please. Sun cream and flip-flops packed in readiness and here's hoping the flight isn't cancelled.
GeneralHankerchief
01-03-2009, 19:02
Okay. :yes:
seireikhaan
01-03-2009, 19:30
:charge:
Sign me up. (I promise not to break the rules this time :embarassed:).
i'm up for some sight seeing :yes: but i lost my passport, i'll travel illegally, IN! :bow:
Tiberius of the Drake
01-03-2009, 21:17
:ireland: innage
Reenk Roink
01-03-2009, 21:22
:bow:
White_eyes:D
01-03-2009, 22:51
In sounds like the first was good game through....sorry I missed it:shame:
TevashSzat
01-04-2009, 00:21
in
3 chars
Beefy187
01-04-2009, 01:37
In:2thumbsup:
Sounds fun, and a good story too! In.
Askthepizzaguy
01-04-2009, 06:10
I'd like to book a reservation in this hotel of horrors...
seireikhaan
01-04-2009, 06:10
I'd like to book a reservation in this hotel of horrors...
Isn't that a goosebumps title? :inquisitive:
Askthepizzaguy
01-04-2009, 06:15
Is it? I don't know. I don't read Goosebumps. I thought I was being poetic.
Quintus.JC
01-04-2009, 11:42
I am here.... IN.
I missed the cookie party, but nonetheless I am in.
woad&fangs
01-04-2009, 20:28
~:flirt:
Yoyoma1910
01-04-2009, 20:31
:scorpio:
Ibn-Khaldun
01-04-2009, 20:41
I'm here only because I was promised cookie! So, am I one of the first 15 people to join this?? :clown:
Lord Winter
01-04-2009, 20:42
In.
:2thumbsup:
We reached the 20-player treshold. 30 would be better though. 40 would be perfect!
Feel free to spam the inboxes of non-Gameroom regulars who might be interested with invitations for this game.
I'm here only because I was promised cookie! So, am I one of the first 15 people to join this?? :clown:
We're out of speculoos, but we still have speculoos with chocolate:
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/speculoos.jpg
Ibn-Khaldun
01-04-2009, 21:00
We're out of speculoos, but we still have speculoos with chocolate:
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/speculoos.jpg
Now I'm definitely in!!! :smash::clown:
CountArach
01-04-2009, 21:16
I'll read it later - in.
The last two games I signed up for died before even starting. Let's hope I'm not cursed.
In!
seireikhaan
01-05-2009, 00:02
Good to have you back, TinCow. :bow:
Just hope the town doesn't get over-paranoid about your presence. :sweatdrop:
I'm in.
Thank you for the invite. :2thumbsup:
Lets make the return of the Bald!
IN!
El Diablo
01-05-2009, 02:12
Innage.
Note will be away for a few days in Mid Jan but will attempt to stay online.
If this is an issue (i.e. you have more than enough) then just drop me.
I will not, however, give back that cookie....
Good to have you back, TinCow. :bow:
Just hope the town doesn't get over-paranoid about your presence. :sweatdrop:
Bah, I didn't do anything special in the last Taormina game. Instead, I got pwned by a mafia n00b who is unfortunately no longer around to defend his brilliant play.
IN:bow:
1, 2, 3, 4... 10... 15... 20.......
Gah! Does that mean I don't get a cookie?~:handball:
Bah, I didn't do anything special in the last Taormina game. Instead, I got pwned by a mafia n00b who is unfortunately no longer around to defend his brilliant play.
*frowns* :mean:
Besides, I think you got him right back in Midgard II. :smartass2:
FactionHeir
01-05-2009, 12:09
In.
We're at 29 now :2thumbsup:
I'll leave the game open for sign up for one additional day.
The game will start tomorrow evening around 20.00 (GMT+1) (or maybe an hour or so later).
Feel free to recruit fellow Orgah's who might be interested.
We're at 29 now :2thumbsup:
I'll leave the game open for sign up for one additional day.
The game will start tomorrow evening around 20.00 (GMT+1) (or maybe an hour or so later).
Feel free to recruit fellow Orgah's who might be interested.
i noticed mods games fly high with sign ups, maybe they could advertise for every persons game, with your influences sign up periods would be so much shorter
i noticed mods games fly high with sign ups, maybe they could advertise for every persons game, with your influences sign up periods would be so much shorter
The Throne Room and its various sub-fora are always open for mafia advertising, as it's also a center for forum gaming and thus is very compatible with the Gameroom. If you have a game that you want promoted, simply send me a PM with the text of the advertisement, and I'll post and sticky it.
CountArach
01-05-2009, 23:40
i noticed mods games fly high with sign ups, maybe they could advertise for every persons game, with your influences sign up periods would be so much shorter
Most of the large games already are advertised, at least in the front/backrooms.
Lord Winter
01-06-2009, 00:53
I'm sorry but I'm going to have to drop out due to lack of time this week.
i noticed mods games fly high with sign ups, maybe they could advertise for every persons game, with your influences sign up periods would be so much shorter
From one of the stickies (yeah, yeah, I know, nobody ever bothers to read the stickies):
4. Advertise your game.
a) If you want an advertisement for your mafia game(s) in other subfora then the Gameroom or through a global forum announcement, please PM Andres or Seamus Fermanagh the text of the advertisement and they'll spread the word. Adding a nice pic related to the theme of your game is always a good idea.
b) Also, don't forget to announce your game in your sig
c) PM is your friend when mass recruiting
Ignoramus
01-06-2009, 09:59
I'm in!
Askthepizzaguy
01-06-2009, 12:58
It's 645 AM here, and I hope to still be at the house when the game begins. As most of you know I have a 2-day period when I am away from the computer as I am practically living at the girlfriend's house and she still has no net access, and I simply can't drive all the way back and spend 8 hours poring through emails and stuff. I will attempt to meet the deadlines and if I cannot, Andres can WOG me or perhaps find a replacement. I think it would be a good idea if Andres had at least one alternate sign up, but that's my humble suggestion.
No one has their roles yet, so frankly I don't care if anyone votes me right away for doing extra leg work, but here it is:
I've done some research into the previous game, like any good friendless loser with a lot of time on his hands. I analyzed the Trapped in Taormina game and spent time studying the story and who the eventual baddies were. This game will be undoubtedly different, but like any good sequel, bears familiar elements from the first. Here's my pre-game analysis.
Bernard, Juliette's brother from previous mafia.
He was sort of a serial killer, the scourge of Taormina. He was all about protecting Juliette and now she's dead. He was played by Mithrandir last time. He's bent on revenge, dressed in black, grins a lot, and wants Manfredo dead. He's willing to kill all of us to make that happen. His niece Isabelle seems to have a similar role as Bernard did from the previous game, she's obsessed with her own family member and is in love with him. She's probably just as dangerous, and if the pattern holds, even more so. It seems doubtful that if the wacko Bernard manages to kill Manfredo, he will stop killing townies and join us. I am almost totally convinced that Bernard is our main enemy, and that Isabelle may be even more terrifyingly dangerous.
Isabelle is perhaps dressed as a common female tourist, and as such may be detectable in the writeups as a female. However, it's also possible that investigations of her will fail. She will be obsessively protective of her uncle, and may try to kill anyone who votes for the player who has the Bernard role. She MAY NOT be able to kill people who have not yet voted for Bernard, as that was the handicap in the previous game.
Andres seems to leave small clues in his writeups, like a man who always grins or a person who smokes and wears a fedora. Also it seems as though wounds from other kills are mentioned when the killer strikes again, and so on.
Manfredo retired, but was then hired by the Carelli crime family and thus should not be trusted completely. He was played by PrivateerKev last time. He's a dangerous assassin and his allegiance may be anti-town, but also may simply want to survive as his winning condition. Therefore, for the moment, his goals and town's goals may be compatible. We could possibly work together to eliminate Bernard and Isabelle. Manfredo may have been the bad guy in the previous game, but Bernard is his enemy and he is definitely NOT our friend. We have a common foe, and I have a feeling Manfredo is not the main enemy of this game, so to make the sequel not a carbon copy of the first.
Gunner and Fehrad seem to be part of a mafia crime family, transporting drugs or weapons or some other hidden item. They will be interested in staying alive, and possibly eliminating their rivals and the town. They may want to hire Manfredo, and they may also try to control Bernard in order to gain some kind of advantage. However, because these are new characters who may be mafia, I doubt that their goals and ours are compatible. I believe there will be several different mafia/serial-killer/anti-town families, and Gunner and Fehrad make up the basic starting bloc of one of those families.
Secret roles: If its anything like the previous game, there could be Yakuza, so watch out. Gunner and Fehrad do not sound like they are Yakuza, and so any Yakuza may be their enemies. Since Gunner and Fehrad do not seem to have compatible goals with town, we may find an unlikely temporary ally with the Yakuza, if there are any. Of course, someone may claim to be Yakuza when there really is no such organization in this game, so I would be highly suspect of anyone claiming to be Yakuza. There will probably also be unaffiliated mafia wannabes who will not be aware that they CAN be recruited by a mafia family in their writeups, like the last game. Investigations may reveal who these people are, and to be safe, we may want to lynch them too, to be sure they never make good on their murderous fantasies.
I am certain there is an investigator in this game, but it's not one of the main characters. I have no idea who that person is, and I'd rather not know. My townie groups have been infiltrated before, so taking Seireikhaan's advice I'm giving that a rest for now. I strongly suggest the investigator not reveal to anyone, not even people they investigated unless their investigation is 100% effective in all cases, as in the previous game a townie group's private messages got two town power roles murdered.
In the initial writeups, Manfredo looked at the people around him and sighed. I would suggest he needs our help. Perhaps Andres was not directly implying this, but from a writer's standpoint, we are supposed to be sympathetic towards Manfredo's plight and it does not appear as though his goal is to murder everyone. He's old, he's got his oodles of money and pretty half-naked women, and he's finally able to enjoy the remainder of his life and retire. Manfredo is our unlikely "hero" perhaps. He could have powers and abilities which may be helpful incidentally to town, were we to join together.
I also leave open the possibility that Manfredo may have incompatible goals and may need to die, and also that Andres may make him more anti-town just to vex me for attempting to be a smarty pants, but I also tend to doubt he'd alter the game solely because I hit close to home. For now, I consider Manfredo a potential ally, or at worst neutral to us. Further clues may reverse that analysis.
This game is likely to start with a night phase, unfortunately, if it's like the last one. So, tootles to the unlucky who never get to vote. If I am one of them, I have only this to say: If you destroy me I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
Breaking the rules in this game will probably result in being WOG'ed, so don't mess with them. I will :whip: any townies after the game that get themselves WOG'ed, suicide, or otherwise commit the crime of being a "bad townie". The rules are there for a reason, to keep the gameplay fair to all parties, and some players will have secret information that will unbalance and ruin the game if pms get quoted anywhere but in public. For that reason, plus the fact that its in the rules, I won't bother asking for a mass reveal at any point. The PMs will be forged anyway, so it should be enough just to know what people's claimed role is, if and when we decide to make them all public.
I intend to stand back from my usual supertownie role, in part because the mafia tend to use my arguments as an effective cover and distraction for the first several rounds. Also, I grow weary of trying to shoulder everything, and if and when we lose, I'd like it to not be because of my bungling alone for a change. I also won't be calling for everyone to give me their information, as private reveals aren't allowed, and if I had a good role like that, being dead won't help me. So I am generally abandoning my strategy (for this game) that I had during the Family Guy mafia and the Lunar Whale mafia. However, I will be engaging people if I can, because as you may remember I am pretty good at rooting out the mafia, even in the games I lost I nailed every single one of them by good reasoning and high suspicion and simply failed to follow through because some people are good at manipulating me. I don't intend to monopolize discussion in this game, to give others a chance to step up to the plate. Many of you have far more actual gameplay experience than me anyway, especially you old timer veterans. I'm learning, though.
I have not received my role PM yet (as I gather none of you have either) and I have no idea what my alignment will be. I'm aware I'll probably be murdered or lynched in relatively short order, but I will pledge to contribute post-mortem as much as the rules allow. And I swear to you, if I am murdered quickly I will be merciless and relentless in harassing my potential attacker until he is brought to justice. I can be very dedicated if I need to be... almost stalkerish.
I just recently tasted a humiliating defeat, so I have a chip on my shoulder, as you may have gathered from this pre-game analysis. Nevermind wasting the first round, I don't intend to waste the pre-game period. The only thing that will satisfy my bloodlust is a pile of dead mafia. Every living townie is another potential turn that we have between us and failure. Take your role seriously, even if you have no role. Unless of course you're anti-town, in which case, go and choke on the barrel of a gun while you gently squeeze the trigger. :grin:
I also am developing a secret weapon for use in mafia games which should make me a far more dangerous opponent as either a townie or a mafia. It's not even close to finished yet, and I frankly do not want to reveal all my secrets. Hopefully it should be finished by the time this game is over, and if I can talk after I am dead, I will give my educated guess as to who the mafia is.
Yak yak yak, right? Well once the game starts I will not be monopolizing the discussion as I have been. Mafia do use that to hide. So I'm blending in from now on, no matter who's team I am on, understood?
That's all for now. This game looks like it will be really good, because the previous one was amazingly awesome. I have great respect for one... Sasaki Kojiro. Not to mention a virginal PrivateerKev winning a major mafia game on his first try.
Wow - kudos for the homework askthepizzaguy - can't wait to get the role PM:yes:
Breaking the rules in this game will probably result in being WOG'ed, so don't mess with them. I will :whip: any townies after the game that get themselves WOG'ed, suicide, or otherwise commit the crime of being a "bad townie".
:idea2: Runs off to re-read the game rules
Askthepizzaguy
01-06-2009, 17:37
:laugh4:
Please do! I myself have accidentally broken rules in people's games, and some have broken rules in mine, and the general tone is forgiveness around here. But it's actually a better policy to WOG players who break the rules, especially if they are rules critical to the game. We can't know which ones are critical, but it's a fair bet information sharing is the most critical way you can get yourself WOG'ed.
As a townie, I don't want to lose due to WOGs. As a mafia, I'd rather earn victory myself. So seriously, please try to follow the rules in this one. The previous one had 4 WOGs I believe. And suicides due to accidental reveals as well.
I'm no one's boss, but I will be disappointed if we lose people due to silly mistakes. Read the rules and know them. :whip:
Please. :bow:
Please do! I myself have accidentally broken rules in people's games, and some have broken rules in mine, and the general tone is forgiveness around here.
Not in my games :devil:
Rules will be :tnt: ruthlessly :tnt: enforced :evil: *
*However, I do accept bribes.
Askthepizzaguy
01-06-2009, 17:49
Not in my games :devil:
I understand and respect that position. A position I'm having to enforce in the Golden Rule if there are any breaches. That's why I'm being super duper uber clear that we are not to break Master Andres' rules in any way shape or form, or else... mafia or not, I'll bring you in the back and break a few thumbs...
heh heh heh :laugh2:
I also am developing a secret weapon for use in mafia games which should make me a far more dangerous opponent as either a townie or a mafia. It's not even close to finished yet, and I frankly do not want to reveal all my secrets. Hopefully it should be finished by the time this game is over, and if I can talk after I am dead, I will give my educated guess as to who the mafia is.
:inquisitive:
Your own version of Holmes?
Askthepizzaguy
01-06-2009, 18:52
Something like that. But I refuse to simply copy someone else's idea, and I have ideas of my own to implement.
Oh, you mean the vote-indexing system? No, no actually it's not that at all. But I may want to incorporate that too.
Something like that. But I refuse to simply copy someone else's idea, and I have ideas of my own to implement.
Oh, you mean the vote-indexing system? No, no actually it's not that at all. But I may want to incorporate that too.
Is it a vote-indexing system that you use at the same time as eating secret ingredient noodle soup?
Askthepizzaguy
01-06-2009, 19:05
No, it's a bunch of nanites which I've sent out into the world to spy on you and slowly dismantle your computers and bring me their components so I can better track your activities, and also look at any :daisy: you've downloaded.
Is it a vote-indexing system that you use at the same time as eating secret ingredient noodle soup?
you watched kung fu panda too? :laugh4:
Sign ups are closed!
I'll be with you soon to officially open the game!
:7gangster:
(...)
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Efese-Odeion.jpg
8.00 pm - In the ancient Odeion.
The tourists were gathered in the ancient Odeion.
For reasons beyond their comprehension, the local police didn't respond to phone calls, the taxis that are usually crawling around the site, were gone and no buses or local dolmushes were near the site.
One of the tourists, a tall man, stood up and started to talk:
"Well, it seems like nobody is going to help us in the near future. I suggest we try to get some sleep now and maybe tomorrow morning help will arive."
***
The Scourge of Ephesus - Night 1.
8.10 pm - The City of Ephesus.
That said, everybody tried to find a comfortable spot on the enormous archeological site. Some went to the old latrines, others to the temple of Hadrianus or the Celsus library. A few just stayed in the Odeon or walked to the ancient theatre.
After a few hours, the last voices quit whispering and the silent night fell over Ephesus...
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Ephesusbynight.jpg
An older man woke up.
Did he hear screams? Hysterical laughter? Or was it just a dream?
He decided to go back to sleep.
***
Alive (30):
boudica
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
seireikhaan
Rythmic
777Ares777
shlin28
Tiberius of the Drake
Reenk Roink
White_Eyes :D
Tevashzat
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC
YLC
Sigurd
woad&fangs
Yoyoma1910
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
CountArach
TinCow
TheFlax
Caius
El Diablo
Glyphz
FactionHeir
Seamus Fermanagh
Ignoramus
Killed (0) :
Lynched (0) :
WoG/Suicide (0):
It is now night. PM's please.
Note 1 : The townie pm is publicly available here:
Townie
You are one of the tourists.
During the day, you have to vote for the person you think is guilty. The person with the most votes, will be lynched.
When all mafiosi and other bad guys are lynched or killed, you win the game.
Good luck :2thumbsup:
Andres.
Note 2 : night will last for 24 hours and will end on +/- 22h15 (GMT +1 - that's about 23 hours 50 minutes from now)
Note 3 : Good luck and HAVE FUN :2thumbsup:
FYI, you have Lord Winter down as a player, but he withdrew due to time constraints (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2100065&postcount=41).
Yoyoma1910
01-06-2009, 23:07
*Snaps photos*
Gosh, I wonder if there's any Mexican restaurants around here?
*Snaps photos*
Gosh, I wonder if there's any Mexican restaurants around here?
Lets go together :chef: don't go to the pizza restraunt though, i don't trust it :tongue2:
Tiberius of the Drake
01-06-2009, 23:23
I love it here in Turkey but my business back home does not run itself so...
Vote:boudica
Yoyoma1910
01-06-2009, 23:26
Lets go together :chef: don't go to the pizza restraunt though, i don't trust it :tongue2:
Yea, I'm not in the mood for pizza anyway. Gosh this place sure is pretty.
*snaps more photos*
Shame about that shooting, you don't think it's because some of us are Americans, eh? Dang terrorists are everywhere these days.
Askthepizzaguy
01-06-2009, 23:30
vote: Tiberius of the Drake
for voting when it is nighttime. :whip:
unvote: Tiberius of the Drake
vote: Tiberius of the Drake
for voting when it is nighttime. :whip:
unvote: Tiberius of the Drake
enjoying nighttime ATPG? :inquisitive:
Vote: Sigurd
He has a suspicious name.
Askthepizzaguy
01-06-2009, 23:56
enjoying nighttime ATPG?
Yes, yes I am. I have a role too, I'm the detective. That's right, I'm claiming detective on night one so the mafia can murder me and win the game easily. And everyone knows I play ballsy, so as stupid as this is, I probably am the detective too.
I applaud your vigilance, Ares, but in all seriousness, at least let me :daisy: up before you start giving me the eye of suspicion.
Askthepizzaguy
01-06-2009, 23:59
Vote: Sigurd
He has a suspicious name.
No, no, no... it's nighttime. :whip:
Everyone pays attention in this game, or they don't sign up for the next one. :smash:
uhhh....ok then....
:dizzy2:
Tiberius of the Drake
01-07-2009, 00:02
:bow: the description led me to believ it was daytime (i.e the guy woke up and then went back to sleep/ thought that meant nothing happened and it was day 1)
unvote:boudicca
Askthepizzaguy
01-07-2009, 00:08
*threatens to get his supertownie cape, but thinks the better of it*
Yes, yes I am. I have a role too, I'm the detective. That's right, I'm claiming detective on night one so the mafia can murder me and win the game easily. And everyone knows I play ballsy, so as stupid as this is, I probably am the detective too.
You're lying. I'm the detective.
Askthepizzaguy
01-07-2009, 00:50
You're lying. I'm the detective.
Cool! Then we can run off and be private detectives together!
grabs TinCow's hand and skips off into the sunset, gaily swinging their clasped hands to and fro, through a meadow of wildflowers and rainbows and peacocks.
Two private detectives, yes... we're just a couple of private dicks. :knuddel:
Wait... allow me to rephrase that...
I don't believe you. My role PM tells me you're lying:
Detective
You are the detective.
During the night, you detect.
During the day, you have to avoid getting lynched by the stupid townies. You won't, though, because they're stupid. If you're lucky, you'll manage to detect a mafioso and reveal it to the town. Too bad for you they won't believe you and they'll lynch you anyway, making sure to never lynch the mafioso you revealed to them. Stupid jerks.
When all mafiosi and other bad guys are lynched or killed, you get to be vindicated and say "I told you so."
Good luck :2thumbsup: (you'll need it)
Andres.
Oh, and ATPG is lying.
CountArach
01-07-2009, 00:57
*threatens to get his supertownie cape, but thinks the better of it*
FoS: ATPG
Having a cape means you have something to hide. TELL ME YOU MAFIOSO!
Reenk Roink
01-07-2009, 00:58
Given that the Reenkmeister is exceptionally powerful this game (he warmly sends his regards to Andres and destiny and probability :bow:) he is exceedingly confident in being able to singlehandedly facilitate a glorious victory for whichever party he fancies more at any given time. Furthermore, he will not rely on the base methods of killing and voting which he has demonstrated to possess absolutely no efficacy whatsoever in relation to his awe inspiring powers, and thus he abstains, courteously. :bow:
Let it be known that the Reenkmaistro with his new elated status sees fit to bring two relics of that past which were met with much enmity before: The List and The Fan Club. Hopefully they have become more palatable to the ones not as fortunate as Reenkazoid, as this time, they will have a manifest impact. :yes:
CountArach
01-07-2009, 01:02
Reenk's role is apparently to refer to himself in the third person with various suffices applied to the end of his name.
Askthepizzaguy
01-07-2009, 01:02
Wait until the sun rises in the east to abstain, courteously, says I, courteously.
:smash:
And how did you know about my cape? Did my split personality come in here yet?
*twirls his evil mustache*
Ahahahahaaaaa!!!!
*hides behind his evil fake supertownie cape and transforms into a classic villain stereotype which I am far too lazy to imagine and describe, so instead, I'll just think of cookies.*
Askthepizzaguy
01-07-2009, 01:14
Here's my actual role PM:
Supertownie Detective Roleblocker Vigilante Invincible Man-o-Steel Man with Nipples of the Future
You are the most Godlike townie ever, and all the ladies seem to like you, even though your obscenely revealing tights and constant trips to the public baths show you to have alternative predilections.
(No, they don't, Andres... stop saying that!)
During the day, you don't have to bother voting, because you can investigate everyone in the game during the first night and pick off anyone you please. If you like, o great Master Pizzaguy, you can end this game right now and make all the other townies serve your every, every whim. You are invulnerable to direct contact with a nuclear blast, are lynch/vigilante/murderproof, can become invisible at will, even to Moderators like me, and can bat stray bullets away from your face with your elongated Nipples of the Future, which have psychic powers.
When all mafiosi and other bad guys are lynched or killed, you win the game. Or, if you prefer, you can just declare a town victory right now. Would you like your trophy?
I made cookies for you so you won't hit me again.
Good luck, loverloins!
:2thumbsup:
Andres.
I do believe you owe me an apology, TinCow. :bow:
Hmph, your all cowards! I know each one of you is really a mafia, I'm the only townie ingame - YOU THERE! Yes you, Delivery Boy, put the pizza down slowly! I know what your up too! And you too! Posing as nobility! Nothing noble about your ilk! HA! You, stop with the foolish disguise, everyone knows cows are not detectives, they are lawyers! And you, yes you, yes you! You who's name reminds me of rest and relaxation - YOUR MAD, DELUSIONAL, CRAZY, LOONEY!
AHAHAHAA! I vote: everyone else but me! I've got you all! You mafia can't escape me now!
Askthepizzaguy
01-07-2009, 01:34
*Steals Andres' moderator powers and drops 1 billion bricks on top of YLC's head, thereby ending his life by the Wrath of Pizzaguy.*
That will happen to everyone who votes during the night phase. You've been warned.
Yoyoma1910
01-07-2009, 01:37
*snaps a photo of the bricks*
Gosh. Definatly showing that one to everyone back in Peoria.
*Steals Andres' moderator powers and drops 1 billion bricks on top of YLC's head, thereby ending his life by the Wrath of Pizzaguy.*
That will happen to everyone who votes during the night phase. You've been warned.
*Luaghs as bricks bounce off and magically lay themslves into a pyramid*
You think one billion bricks is enough to crush this ego/head/skull? Look, even the bricks acknowledge my inherent egotistical superiority and have contructed themvelses into a monument in my honor :yes:
Askthepizzaguy
01-07-2009, 01:48
*zaps YLC into the anti-universe where being alive makes him dead, and he can never become un-dead, and everything he says makes him even deader.
Plus, I'm rubber, he's glue, and... we've gotten ourselves stuck to one another in an embarrassing position. Don't look, just help us!
Reenk Roink
01-07-2009, 01:54
The Fan Club: (with commentary)
boudica - rookie but has learned the ropes quick and nobody knows how she Maf's so...
GeneralHankerchief - pioneer so he's been at this longer than anyone which explains why he is so darn good at all aspects of Mafia
Jolt - I hope to get to know you more :shakehands:
seireikhaan - evil tactician who is among the best players; you should hope he is overambitious
Rythmic - I don't know how he did it, but he won the Family Guy Mafia under what I thought were pretty tough odds so he's a dominating force to be sure
777Ares777 - funniest player :laugh4:; he acts guilty but is always innocent so look for him to act innocent and he will be guilty
shlin28 - the most selfless townie ever :bow:
Tiberius of the Drake - I hope to get to know you more :shakehands:
White_Eyes :D - absolutely unpredictable townie who has been the gamebreaker of late
Tevashzat - I hope to get to know you more :shakehands:
187Beefyz - everyone likes Beefy because he's so nice and honest so when he becomes Mafia watch out!
Chaotix27 - among the best analyzers in the game, though he has not been able to showcase his true skills with some misfortune; keep him away from Pizzaguy :laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy - Sasaki II: insanely devoted townie whose copious posts bring forth a ton of information but just remember he is the same way as Mafia except manipulative and evil
Quintus.JC - good player who puts a very consistent act on and lost Beeftown due to The Watcher getting very lucky
YLC - very good townie when alive that analyzes the situation well but his methods lead people to suspect him (unfairly many times) and becomes unhelpful when lynched
Sigurd - first one to confer godhood on me and my pick for best all round Mafia player; impossible to tell if he's a good guy or a bad guy; one day I will go to Norge and eat Northman dinner thus gaining your powers...
woad&fangs - I hope to get to know you more :shakehands:
Yoyoma1910 - always FoS's me (with better reasons than most though)
Ibn-Khaldun - I hope to get to know you more :shakehands:
Lord Winter - constant behavior: lurk unless he's Mafia :beam:
CountArach - analyzes syntax and diction a lot and puts a good consistent innocent act on...
TinCow - I hope to get to know you more :shakehands:
TheFlax - I hope to get to know you more :shakehands:
Caius - I hope to get to know you more :shakehands:
El Diablo - I hope to get to know you more :shakehands:
Glyphz - I'm jealous of your analyzing skills and your powers as Loki
FactionHeir - I hope to get to know you more :shakehands:
Seamus Fermanagh - first partner and one of the best players; only way to fool him is to use his sober play against him :grin2:; has a very consistent act...
Ignoramus - I remember once I was going to frame you to Kommodus but chickened out and lost the game :wall:
I don't become unhelpful so much as spiteful. I prefer to give the town exactly what it needs to win in the most esoteric way possible when lynched (thus, still helpful if killed) - town sees fit to kill me, I get a kick out of watching the town struggle and go in circles as they analyze what I say wrong and pick out the wrong pieces. Maybe I'll stop being spiteful one day, but to see so much pain and suffering...well, dang it, I guess I am justa vengeful mafia player ~;p. Better not make me a Vigilante in any game, cause heaven knows red will be my favorite color.
Beefy187
01-07-2009, 02:18
[U]
187Beefyz - everyone likes Beefy because he's so nice and honest so when he becomes Mafia watch out!
But im the Kebab dude :sweatdrop:
Alright im just a odd tourist who likes kebabs :shame:
Askthepizzaguy
01-07-2009, 02:21
I am honored by the name Sasaki. I still have much to learn to have his level of skill.
I do like being characterized as "manipulative and evil"... unfortunately I can't exactly fool the mafia, so that doesn't help me so much when I'm a townie. And nobody trusts me anymore, so a bad mafia I'd be.
It's ok, I'll do my best to help post-mortem.
It should be noted that as townie, as host, and as mafia, I always try to help the town somehow, with clues or whatever. I'm evil but I'm still a townie at heart and I want them to win.
GeneralHankerchief
01-07-2009, 18:09
I'm evil but I'm still a townie at heart and I want them to win.
https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/GeneralHankerchief/Yodasized.jpg
That is why you fail.
Askthepizzaguy
01-07-2009, 18:19
https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/GeneralHankerchief/Yodasized.jpg
That is why you fail.
I believe I was on the winning side in the Prometheus, and I was mafia.
And I gave town lots of hints. :laugh2:
Thank almighty science! The ORG IS BACK!!! I was having withdrawls!
shlin28 - the most selfless townie ever :bow:
W00T! I IZ TEH SELFLESS! W00T!
Though most of that is accidental, as I tend to get killed/lynched for the stupidest reasons... and most of my abilities are passive/requires me being dead to do any good anyway :no:
Back OT however, I got burdened with another bogstandard role... again. So everyone be prepared for some selfless actions :smash:
Askthepizzaguy
01-07-2009, 18:39
Toe of Suspicion: Shlin28
For being selfless. Common mafia bluff.
Common mafia bluff.
So is dominating the first day discussions.
So is dominating the first day discussions.
It's not first day, it's first night
Elbow of Suspicion: TC
Askthepizzaguy
01-07-2009, 19:06
It's not daytime yet, as I've told people many many times :laugh2:
And I will stop hovering once day begins so we can have a proper game. I'll be more serious then, because that's when it will matter.
By the way, I was joking when I pointed the stinky toe at Shlin. It's part of the pre-day nonsense that you yourself participated in.
Ooooh so suspicious.
Points the finger at TinCow!!!!
777Ares777 - funniest player :laugh4:; he acts guilty but is always innocent so look for him to act innocent and he will be guilty
who said i was trying to be suspicious? :cry:
:balloon2: :elephant: :dancinglock::shifty:
ATPG told me i was mafia, so :shrug: sorry i have been forced to admit, uhhh.... :shrug: :clown:
Quintus.JC
01-07-2009, 19:36
The locals doesn't seem to be very friendly... maybe I should of spent my holidays in Beeftown instead, at least they served nice steaks.
Askthepizzaguy
01-07-2009, 19:40
ATPG told me i was mafia, so :shrug: sorry i have been forced to admit, uhhh.... :shrug: :clown:
Actually what I said was:
"hey whatsamatta you no eatta your pizza I breaka your face and stompa on it till you like one big bloody spicy meat-a-ball"
And I was wearing a fedora and smoking a cigarette and nervously holding a silenced pistol and wearing a bloody clown's outfit with a cape that says "Kill the Heathen", and before that I was in the Conservatory with the lead pipe.
~:pimp:
hey i need more space when i cook my chicken! :stare:
And I was wearing a fedora and smoking a cigarette and nervously holding a silenced pistol and wearing a bloody clown's outfit with a cape that says "Kill the Heathen", and before that I was in the Conservatory with the lead pipe.
This is very suspicious. Leap pipes are no longer used because they contaminate drinking water. ATPG is violating basic safety laws. If someone dies of lead poisoning, we should investigate this further.
This is very suspicious. Leap pipes are no longer used because they contaminate drinking water. ATPG is violating basic safety laws. If someone dies of lead poisoning, we should investigate this further.
I vote this the funniest post in the thread so far! I nearly died reading it :laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
01-07-2009, 20:08
In all seriousness, I am getting ready to leave and will probably not be back in time for the vote.
:sad:
I could send my random vote in advance, if that's allowed. I don't believe we should abstain or vote: no lynch, any of which will cause a more random result.
Personally, I'd like to Pre-vote: White_Eyes. Reason: He's still alive, and it's already night one! But it's probably not legal and won't even count. If we were starting in a few minutes I could stick around. If I were there, that's how I'd vote. Ok? So whether it counts or not, I tried.
If you lynch me while I am gone, it will make Baby Jesus cry. You don't want to do that, do you? Look at the puppy... the puppy I am holding in my arms... he's cute isn't he? If you kill me, I'll drop the puppy and it could break it's paw. Spare me, for the puppy's sake.
Incidentally, if you do lynch me I will take it as a compliment that after all this I've posted, you still would think I'd be mafia. In all seriousness, do you want to inflate my ego even more?
Due to the general confusion of some of her fellow tourists, as to the exact time of day, as well as the various sharp elbows, fingers and toes of suspicion flying around the huddled throng - not to mention the inability to access the site all day and have to wade through 3 pages of this crap :dizzy2: - boudica decides to join Reenk in referring to herself in the third person - applies extra sun-tan lotion and puts her sleep mask over her shades before wrapping herself in a meat-ball-stained tablecloth.
The Scourge of Ephesus - Night 1 - results
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Ephesusbynight.jpg
1.00 am - The City of Ephesus.
***
A man looked at the sky.
He sharpened his blade and laughed hysterically.
"I am going to enjoy this!"
***
777Ares777 couldn't sleep. It was the first time in his young life he had ever been abroad.
He had studied the history of this marvelous and fascinating ancient City. Months before this trip, he was already dreaming about visiting the Temple of Hadrianus and the old Celsus library.
"Well, I'm here now and allthough this is not what I expected from this trip, I might as well benefit from this unique chance to see the Celsus Library at night.
And so, he stood up, grabbed his digital camera and walked to the ancient library.
Allthought it was the middle of the night, it was about 30 °C. His T-shirt was soaked through with his sweat.
"You have the package?"
777Ares777 turned around, but didn't see anything.
"What package? I don't know what you're talking about."
"It doesn't matter."
The silenced guns against his head was the last thing 777Ares777 felt before several bullets through his head ended his young life.
***
The Scourge of Ephesus - Day 1
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Efese-theater.jpg
Ephesus - The Ancient theatre - 7.30 am.
The tourists gathered early in the morning.
They heard somebody screaming near the Library. Several tourists went looking and they found the body of 777Ares777 in a pool of his own blood.
An athletic man stood up and started to talk. He seemed like somebody used to giving orders. Maybe he used to be an officer in the army of some sort?
"Listen, ladies and gentlemen, it seems like nobody will come here to help us. We are on our own. At least one among is, is a madman. He or she tried to kill yesterday and did kill tonight. We don't have modern methods at our disposal, so I guess the only way to find the guilty one among us, is by using the least bad political system mankind has developped: democracy. I suggest we vote for the one we think is the most suspicious and we lynch the person with the most votes at the end of the day."
The people stared at each other.
Another man stood up: "He's right. I'm not going to sit here and wait until some maniac kills me."
Several tourists nodded in approval.
A woman started to scream.
"That guy is looking really strange at me, I think he's up to something."
Another man yelled at his neighbour.
"I heard you listening to rock 'n roll last night. Surely, you must have the devil inside you."
And as fear and paranoia started to manifest itself in the minds of the good tourists, the day continued...
***
Alive (29)
boudica
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
seireikhaan
Rythmic
777Ares777
shlin28
Tiberius of the Drake
Reenk Roink
White_Eyes :D
Tevashzat
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC
YLC
Sigurd
woad&fangs
Yoyoma1910
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
CountArach
TinCow
TheFlax
Caius
El Diablo
Glyphz
FactionHeir
Seamus Fermanagh
Ignoramus
Killed (1) :
777Ares777
Lynched (0) :
WoG/Suicide (0):
It's day. Day will last for +/- 24 hours (until 23.00 GMT+1).
You can start voting :bow:
CountArach
01-07-2009, 23:35
Let's hope this just remains at one kill per night - that gives us lots of time for discussion. Though I would be wary about complacency. The OP seems to hint at several killers - Gunner and Fehrad (I discount Bernard because he sounds more like a Don type of figure).
Random.org Vote: YLC
GeneralHankerchief
01-07-2009, 23:38
Vote: TinCow
Precautionary tactic.
White_eyes:D
01-07-2009, 23:41
Poor Ares.....:no: He got killed right away.....Only one person would be EVIL:evil: enough to do it....Vote:Reenk
White_eyes:D
01-07-2009, 23:43
I must wonder WTH everyone was doing the first night though.....too much to drink?~:cheers:~:cheers:
Edit: reading though must of it...I almost died laughing...:laugh2:
CountArach
01-07-2009, 23:44
I must wonder WTH everyone was doing the first night though.....too much to drink?~:cheers:~:cheers:
I for one was ignoring the inane babble.
Beefy187
01-08-2009, 00:26
Why is Ares always killed night 1? :sweatdrop:
Poor fellow.
I wanna go back to my little kingdom! Least they had nice Amazonians.
random Vote: ATPG
Your in the middle of the sign up list.
bah a 1/30 chance :inquisitive:
Why is Ares always killed night 1? :sweatdrop:
Poor fellow.
I wanna go back to my little kingdom! Least they had nice Amazonians.
random Vote: ATPG
Your in the middle of the sign up list.
be fair, on occasions they wait till night 2 :clown:
Vote: Lord Winter
Still listed as a player even though he withdrew. Better to lynch a potential WOG than someone who is active.
Vote: CountArach, a retaliation vote, and a vote for voting first
Vote: CountArach, a retaliation vote, and a vote for voting first
voting first is brave isn't it? :inquisitive:
Beefy187
01-08-2009, 00:40
voting first is brave isn't it? :inquisitive:
Normally person who votes first is clean. But I don't know.
Yes, but the idea that someone who votes first leads to WIFOM I believe, thus it's neither a good basis for a vote nor is it a good basis not to vote for someone.
Tiberius of the Drake
01-08-2009, 00:50
at this point I dont see a reason to change my accidental night vote
Vote:boudicca
CountArach
01-08-2009, 00:55
Vote: CountArach, a retaliation vote, and a vote for voting first
Retaliatory votes are scummy. Also your second reasoning makes no sense at all.
My vote is staying with you.
El Diablo
01-08-2009, 00:57
This is very suspicious. Leap pipes are no longer used because they contaminate drinking water. ATPG is violating basic safety laws. If someone dies of lead poisoning, we should investigate this further.
Vote TinCow or ATPG
How did you know he would die of lead poisioning? :laugh4:
Unvote TinCow or ATPG - silly voting should not be encouraged.
Vote TheFlax ...random...??
Retaliatory votes are scummy. Also your second reasoning makes no sense at all.
My vote is staying with you.
A retaliatory vote scummy? Dear me, ready to pounce are we not CA, upon a person who makes it easy for you? My vote was never meant to make sense first of all, and a retaliatory vote in the first round is meaningless, unless you mean to imply that I am an incompetent mafioso, which I am not - I am just luckless.
Ignoramus
01-08-2009, 01:02
Vote: TinCow
He's trying to look like a tourist by voting for an inactive player.
I hope to get to know you more
We do. We played that game with Sir Moody when I was voted to death thanks to his 1337 writing skills.
Vote:White_Eyes:D
There is something wrong with you.
Ibn-Khaldun
01-08-2009, 01:17
Vote: Caius
Vote: Caius
Protecting your buddy?
woad&fangs
01-08-2009, 01:20
vote: Ibn-Khaldun
random vote(sorry)
Ibn-Khaldun
01-08-2009, 01:25
Protecting your buddy?
No, it was a random vote.
(you just were the last one who voted:beam:)
CountArach
01-08-2009, 02:07
A retaliatory vote scummy? Dear me, ready to pounce are we not CA, upon a person who makes it easy for you? My vote was never meant to make sense first of all, and a retaliatory vote in the first round is meaningless, unless you mean to imply that I am an incompetent mafioso, which I am not - I am just luckless.
:laugh4:
You seriously think that was me pouncing on you? I am merely pointing out that in the first round, where we have 0 evidence, someone who responds to a vote on himself by voting for the person who voted for him is creating evidence for us. Also this post of yours seems to only have the defence of "I am not incompetent enough to do that" - thus throwing up a WIFOM situation.
FactionHeir
01-08-2009, 02:55
vote: Bovine
Ignoramus makes sense.
:laugh4:
You seriously think that was me pouncing on you? I am merely pointing out that in the first round, where we have 0 evidence, someone who responds to a vote on himself by voting for the person who voted for him is creating evidence for us. Also this post of yours seems to only have the defense of "I am not incompetent enough to do that" - thus throwing up a WIFOM situation.
No, but I am being antagonistic, no?
So, by your statement, you ARE saying I am an incompetent mafioso by creating a situation in which I would present evidence that would eventually and possibly soon, lead to my own demise and thus be a detriment of my own team?
Also, I am not defending myself, I am trying to argue against your own argument - their is a difference. And there is only a WIFOM me situation if your willing to create one. One can create WIFOM out of anything if one wishes, I know, I do it very easily, almost unconsciously. And that, CA, is WIFOM only if you continue to insist on looking at it that way.
Reenk Roink
01-08-2009, 03:19
The town will make a significant step towards victory if they vote for Tevashszat who has a minor but still important role in the plot against the town.
However, Reenkaten has no need to vote to eliminate someone seeing as he could simply do away with Tevashszat in a much more direct fashion. Rather he wants to showcase his immortality and votes: Reenk Roink, courteously. :bow:
Do not worry Mafia, Reenk-sin will bestow a favor upon you this upcoming round to even things out. :2thumbsup:
The town will make a significant step towards victory if they vote for Tevashszat who has a minor but still important role in the plot against the town.
However, Reenkaten has no need to vote to eliminate someone seeing as he could simply do away with Tevashszat in a much more direct fashion. Rather he wants to showcase his immortality and votes: Reenk Roink, courteously. :bow:
Do not worry Mafia, Reenk-sin will bestow a favor upon you this upcoming round to even things out. :2thumbsup:
Please, elaborate further in a way that does not involve a method with intent to confuse or leave half enlightened. If you so choose, further the knowledge of the situation in a much more effective way, or I will intentionally see fit to make sure Tevash does not get lynched on such a poor stab at him.
The town will make a significant step towards victory if they vote for Tevashszat who has a minor but still important role in the plot against the town.
How do you know that?
Reenk Roink
01-08-2009, 03:23
How do you know that?
Because I am better than (all of) you (in terms of roles of this game). :yes:
Because I am better than (all of) you (in terms of roles of this game). :yes:
Don't be so quick to judge RR, or your a dead man.
Reenk Roink
01-08-2009, 03:24
Don't be so quick to judge RR, or your a dead man.
I can't die and I'm not a man (again in this game).
I can't die and I'm not a man (again in this game).
Wonderful, does that mean you'll admit to being Isabelle?
Reenk Roink
01-08-2009, 03:26
Wonderful, does that mean you'll admit to being Isabelle?
~:grouphug:
TevashSzat
01-08-2009, 03:28
The town will make a significant step towards victory if they vote for Tevashszat who has a minor but still important role in the plot against the town.
However, Reenkaten has no need to vote to eliminate someone seeing as he could simply do away with Tevashszat in a much more direct fashion. Rather he wants to showcase his immortality and votes: Reenk Roink, courteously. :bow:
Do not worry Mafia, Reenk-sin will bestow a favor upon you this upcoming round to even things out. :2thumbsup:
Um.....yeah. I'm just a plain townie here.
I will vote:Reenk for trying to pretend that he has more power than he actually does.
~:grouphug:
Stop being a :daisy: RR, it grates upon my nerves wrong. Obviously the town's knowledge on this situation is limited, as rules do dictate, but your doing the exact opposite - dangling information in front of us and demanding we do as you say "because it will benefit us". That's less then scum - it's hurtful and spiteful in the long term, something I am familiar with. Being esoteric will not help the town - the town are sheep, no matter how much they want to be something else, and will not rise above the paranoia and mistrust your seeding by doing this. So either help the town or stick to being quiet, which ever suits you, and leave the sheep to mill about unmolested by "ghost" fears and lines of thought that lead in downward spirals.
Reenk Roink
01-08-2009, 03:32
Stop being a :daisy: RR, it grates upon my nerves wrong. Obviously the town's knowledge on this situation is limited, as rules do dictate, but your doing the exact opposite - dangling information in front of us and demanding we do as you say "because it will benefit us". That's less then scum - it's hurtful and spiteful in the long term, something I am familiar with. Being esoteric will not help the town - the town are sheep, no matter how much they want to be something else, and will not rise above the paranoia and mistrust your seeding by doing this. So either help the town or stick to being quiet, which ever suits you, and leave the sheep to mill about unmolested by "ghost" fears and lines of thought that lead in downward spirals.
:rolleyes4:
By the way, 3 votes (White_Eyes:D, Reenk Roink, TevashSzat the Mafia), I am in the lead.
:rolleyes4:
*sighs* Fine, I know your getting something out of this, this is planned intentional behavior that your role enables you to gain something out of. You would not try to pull this unless cost is less then benefit, and are trying to force a WIFOM situation. Your better then that RR, your gaining something here, beyond the WIFOM...
GeneralHankerchief
01-08-2009, 03:37
Your better then that RR, your gaining something here
You're*
than*
you're*
Sorry, bad grammar in such a condensed area makes my head spin.
Also, I'd just like to note the complete opposite behavior patterns that Reenk and YLC are showing in this game as compared to The Golden Rule.
Reenk Roink
01-08-2009, 03:38
*sighs* Fine, I know your getting something out of this, this is planned intentional behavior that your role enables you to gain something out of. You would not try to pull this unless cost is less then benefit, and are trying to force a WIFOM situation. Your better then that RR, your gaining something here, beyond the WIFOM...
"WIFOM"
:thinking2:
:book2:
:yes:
Reenk Roink
01-08-2009, 03:39
Also, I'd just like to note the complete opposite behavior patterns that Reenk and YLC are showing in this game as compared to The Golden Rule.
Is this something new GH (for me at least)? :beam:
You're*
than*
you're*
Sorry, bad grammar in such a condensed area makes my head spin.
Also, I'd just like to note the complete opposite behavior patterns that Reenk and YLC are showing in this game as compared to The Golden Rule.
Note it then, cause I don't.
And yes, my grammar is bad, I am surprised I allow myself to use words greater in length then 6-7 letters.
GeneralHankerchief
01-08-2009, 03:40
Is this something new GH (for me at least)? :beam:
Well, no, this is more like you. You're just acting out-of-character in the other game.
...also, this is why I usually only play in one game at a time. I already can't think straight. :dizzy2:
Reenk Roink
01-08-2009, 03:45
Well, no, this is more like you. You're just acting out-of-character in the other game.
I've played the hard nosed townie style in Golden Rule in your Mafia VI as well as Interficio.
This is Loki style (and who turned out to be Loki? :yes::yes::yes::yes:).
The Prometheus was Mafia V style.
GeneralHankerchief
01-08-2009, 03:57
I've played the hard nosed townie style in Golden Rule in your Mafia VI as well as Interficio.
This is Loki style (and who turned out to be Loki? :yes::yes::yes::yes:).
The Prometheus was Mafia V style.
All right, let me do my discourse on your posting behavior and then I'll head over to Golden Rule to discuss what's going on there... and then I'll take some pills and do something mindless for the next three hours or so. I may have to drop out of this game; I can't really handle this multi-thread thing. :freak:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Naturally, I'm quite familiar with your behavior in my games, and Midgard. I did a quick read-through of Prometheus too. I can't really remember Interficio TBH, but I do recall that you were quite fond of that game.
Now, you've named three distinct posting styles, however, there are similarities in terms of substance as opposed to actual "theme" of those styles. Your "hard-nosed townie" style is a "I'm going to attack those whom I deem most leading the town astray". In Mafia VI I distinctly recall lengthy posts against Sasaki to this effect. In Golden Rule I am substitute for Sasaki.
Now, Prometheus and Mafia V, you were the villain in both of them, continuing to make lengthy posts throughout the game, especially after you made your "roll the dice" move in both. In Midgard (and so far, this one), your modus seems to be "screw it, let's see how much fun I can have", making both lengthy, and frequent posts.
You break up your posting behaviors by role: townie, ambiguous higher power, and villain, respectively. However, the one thing they all have in common is post length and frequency. Up until a couple of hours ago in ATPG's game, you had neither.
Reenk Roink
01-08-2009, 04:01
Ahaha good analysis my friend, and yet you forget that in both Csar's Rise of the Mob and Capo I played a lurker style as the Mafia, and most recently as The Watcher in Beefy's recent Mafia, I played a hard nosed townie that was indeed the Detective.
It is futile trying to find patterns. :laugh4:
Best bet is to lynch me early every game. But oh wait, what if The Watcher was lynched??? :grin2:
GeneralHankerchief
01-08-2009, 04:07
*#%@.
I find these day 1 attempts at analysis to be distracting. They end up getting people like Odin lynched in round 1. Better to stick with the random and idiotic and wait for the real evidence to surface.
RR, your just not worth the time. To continue your current posting style, you need us to pay attention to you.
So let's cease trying to analyze that which refuses to be analyzed and move onto something that can and ignore RR, he does nothing productive, and if he wants to be taken seriously at all, he will make sure he is taken seriously, not before.
Reenk Roink
01-08-2009, 04:28
RR, your just not worth the time. To continue your current posting style, you need us to pay attention to you - so, in the interests of the townie, cease trying to analyze that which refuses to be analyzed and move onto something that can. Ignore RR, he does nothing productive, and if he wants to be taken seriously at all, he will make sure he is taken seriously, not before.
:deal:
(that means you are on the list, enjoy dying tomorrow :2thumbsup:)
Also, I am only doing what I have been told to do (adding some flair here and there). If the town does not wish to benefit from my powers, I'm sure others may be willing to, and history will quaintly repeat itself. ~:flirt:
Vote: Lord Winter
Still listed as a player even though he withdrew. Better to lynch a potential WOG than someone who is active.
In agreement. Vote: Lord Winter
By the way, since I'm a noob, what's "WIFOM"?
WIFOM= Wine In Front Of Me, referencing the scene from Princess Bride. "Well, I wouln't use such odd behavior if I was a mafioso, but I might do it if I knew that you knew I wouldn't use such odd behavior. Unless I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that I wouldn't use such odd behavior". Basically, that's what WIFOM is. Saying "Well, yes I'm using WIFOM" is in itself more WIFOM. You're practically oozing the stuff.
Shamelessly copied from SK's post in the Golden Rule
Been busy, so I'll just stop in to vote....
Vote: El Diablo
Because the write-up mentions the devil.
Well..... it's better than a random vote, I suppose.
CountArach
01-08-2009, 05:18
I'd say that lynching LW is a waste of our time. He withdrew and as such his name is probably just on the list by accident. If he is not WoGed down the track we might want to look into why later - but for now we are missing a chance at lynching a mafioso by pure luck.
Vote: FactionHeir
I must ask.
Who's Bovine?
Tally:
Reenk Roink = 3 (WE:D, RR, TevashSzat)
TinCow = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Ignoramus)
LordWinter = 2 (TC, Flax)
WhiteEyes:D = 2* (Caius, AtPG*)
YLC = 1 (CA)
Askthepizzaguy = 1 (187Beefyz)
CountArach = 1 (YLC)
boudica = 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
TheFlax = 1 (ED)
Caius = 1 (I-K)
Ibn-Khaldun = 1 (woad&fangs)
El Diablo = 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir = 1 (glyphz)
Bovine+ = 1 (FH)
+ = :huh2:
Reenk Roink
01-08-2009, 06:10
Vote: FactionHeir
I must ask.
Who's Bovine?
Tally:
Reenk Roink = 3 (WE:D, RR, TevashSzat)
TinCow = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Ignoramus)
LordWinter = 2 (TC, Flax)
WhiteEyes:D = 2* (Caius, AtPG*)
YLC = 1 (CA)
Askthepizzaguy = 1 (187Beefyz)
CountArach = 1 (YLC)
boudica = 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
TheFlax = 1 (ED)
Caius = 1 (I-K)
Ibn-Khaldun = 1 (woad&fangs)
El Diablo = 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir = 1 (glyphz)
Bovine+ = 1 (FH)
+ = :huh2:
Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: TinCow
I lied about everything (or did I?).
So.... bovine refers to cow = Tincow, no?:sweatdrop:
If true, my vote against FH stands...:stare: for confusing me...:embarassed:
:7jester:
Tally:
TinCow = 4 (GeneralHankerchief, Ignoramus, FH, RR)
Reenk Roink = 2 (WE:D, TevashSzat)
LordWinter = 2 (TC, Flax)
WhiteEyes:D = 2* (Caius, AtPG*)
YLC = 1 (CA)
Askthepizzaguy = 1 (187Beefyz)
CountArach = 1 (YLC)
boudica = 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
TheFlax = 1 (ED)
Caius = 1 (I-K)
Ibn-Khaldun = 1 (woad&fangs)
El Diablo = 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir = 1 (glyphz)
Seamus Fermanagh
01-08-2009, 06:41
Vote: abstain
On Reenk, I shall await developments.
Tincow is a bit quiet for him, but lynch-bait for out of character? Not yet.
Beefy187
01-08-2009, 08:14
If bovine= cows then it could mean either Tincow or good ol Beefy
I demand change of vote at once!!
Sorry about the late participation gents and lady,
Due to org database failure I was not able to participate yesterday.
Having a quick look at the game development, I must say that Askthepizzaguy, Tincow and the Reinkmaster is deliberately wanting attention.
I don't know what to make of it yet.
One thing I am sure of is when the Reinkmaster says he has a role, he usually does.
He has pointed to Tevashzat and accused him of being Mafioso. I can't see that Tevash has countered this allegation.
I also notice that Yoyoma is deliberately acting a tourist and needs to be checked out by any investigator in the game. Same with White_eyes?
I am not a follower of paranoia and getting rid of players based on previous games. Getting TinCow for his previous actions in the first round is just mean. True, he has put himself in the spotlight with his opening remarks, but Reeink claims a powerful role and names Tevashzat as a Mafioso.
Why not act on this? This would be the logic thing in a first round
(BTW.. why not show support for your own allegations Reeink?).
vote:Tevashzat
Boudica scratched her head and went back to studying the back of her Map of Ephesus. She had made a comprehensive list of all her fellow tourists on it; in order to make notes about their behaviour and already the cross-referencing and comments were making it resemble the scribblings of a schizophrenic maths genius.
Having listened to the gathered tourists for a while she noted that 9 of them still hadn’t spoken and 11 had only commented to vote for who they thought should be lynched.
Boudica erased the letter ‘L’ (for Lurker) that she’d had next to the names of CountArach and YLC, and changed it to an ‘M’ (for Mental).
With an inward ‘Doh!’ she realised that while she had made a note of who had voted for whom, she hadn’t listed in which order they had voted, and so spent the next five minutes worrying if that might be important.
Wondering how the hell she was supposed to make an informed decision about who to vote for she idly doodled a picture of a cockerel on her list next to Reenk Roink’s name.and randomly picked from those who were still lurking:
Vote: Jolt
New Tally (assuming – as was implied - that ‘bovine’ is TinCow):
TinCow = 3 (GeneralHankerchief, RR, Ignoramus)
LordWinter = 2 (TC, Flax)
WhiteEyes:D = 2* (Caius, AtPG*)
Reenk Roink = 2 (WE:D , TevashSzat)
YLC = 1 (CA)
Askthepizzaguy = 1 (187Beefyz)
CountArach = 1 (YLC)
boudica = 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
TheFlax = 1 (ED)
Caius = 1 (I-K)
Ibn-Khaldun = 1 (woad&fangs)
El Diablo = 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir = 1 (glyphz)
Jolt = 1 (boudica)
TevashSzat = 1 (Sigurd)
Abstain = 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)
Hosts' tally:
TinCow (aka Bovine) : 4 (GeneralHankerchief, Ignoramus, FactionHeir, Reenk Roink)
Lord Winter : 2 (TinCow, TheFlax)
Reenk Roink : 2 (Tevashzat, White_Eyes:D)
YLC : 1 (CountArach)
CountArach : 1 (YLC)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 (Beefy187)
boudica : 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
TheFlax : 1 (El Diablo)
Withe_Eyes:D : 1 (Caius)
Caius : 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
Ibn-Khaldun : 1 (woad&fangs)
El Diablo: 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir : 1 (glyphz)
Tevashzat : 1 (Sigurd)
Jolt : 1 (boudica)
Abstain : 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)
Not voted : everybody else.
Note 1 : if you use a nickname, please make it clear who you mean (by putting the username of that person in brackets or spoil tags)
Note 2 : Lord Winter informed me that he won't be able to be online this week, but he'll be able to play after that; as such I will not WoG LW for inactivity in this first week.
Note 3 : I understand ATPG wanted his night vote to count, but rules are rules. You have to vote during day time. Idem dito for night orders: they have to be sent during night.
vote: Reek Roink
For being an apparent a**. Dunno, was gonna vote on Sigurd again, but decided to lynch RR.
Please, let's try to avoid making posts that smell like something that resembles something personal.
Also, I prefer :daisy: over a**
Flowers are lovely, they smell good and they make me happy.
:bow:
Unvote: Lord Winter
Vote: Reek Roink
Pure self preservation vote. Will switch elsewhere if another option pops up, since I don't think he's a wise target right now.
Yoyoma1910
01-08-2009, 16:06
Vote: Pizza
Before that nice young student died, he specifically told me he didn't trust the Pizza Place around here.
He seemed like such a nice boy wih a a good future ahead of him.
*snaps a photo of the giant viking pointing a finger at him.*
Reenk Roink
01-08-2009, 16:06
Sigh, no offense townies, but you need to open your minds a bit...
Has it ever occurred to you that a pro-town person has quite a bit of tools to help the town but is also quite insane and encouraged to act in that manner?
I'm getting the same reception as last time from a lot (to those who are thinking on it more: :bow:). What should be a fun role is instead met with the same suspicion. That's the one part of Mafia I don't like. It's OK to have all sorts of poor reasons to vote for people as long as people ACT normal...
Roleplaying rarely works in this game, which is a darn shame. :no: :shame:
Now my hand has been basically forced and if I'm not lynched I will probably be killed by the Mafia. Whatever.
Like I said, RR, I don't consider you a good lynch. If you would like to propose an alternate target, we could both switch our votes off each other and perhaps do something more useful for the town.
Yoyoma1910
01-08-2009, 16:13
Oh hey, it's ok there little lady/man...
Here if it makes you feel any better:
unvote:Pizza
Vote:tevash
...I now seem to usually vote for him on the first round anyway.
*snaps a photo of the nonman.*
Gotta show that one back in Peoria too.
Quintus.JC
01-08-2009, 17:23
I don't see any reason to lynch Tincow right now in this game, the reasoning for his lynch is poor. Reenik has made him an obvious lynch target with his posts, I wouldn't mind if the day ends with his demise. For now I'll put another candidate in the race, and see how things developes.
Vote: Tevashzat
Sorry Reenk, but your forcing my brain to think in certain pattern to deal with you, and I don't like being forced to think in a certain way - I get vengeful. Also, so far your voting behavior does not add up with what you are saying, so I'm not going to vote how you ask me too until you start living up to what you say.
Seamus Fermanagh
01-08-2009, 17:50
Too early to tell about the Reenkster. When he's awake and playing, he's like this. When he's not, he's a near total lurker.
Tincow is a devious sort, but we shouldn't hold that against him.
Best reasoning so far was Sigurd. I'll follow that.
Vote: Tev
So....
Reenk Roink : 4 (Jolt, Tevashzat, TinCow, White_Eyes:D)
Tevashzat : 4 (Quintus, Seamus, Sigurd, Yoyo)
TinCow (aka Bovine) : 4 (GeneralHankerchief, Ignoramus, FactionHeir, Reenk Roink)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 (Beefy187)
boudica : 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Caius : 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
CountArach : 1 (YLC)
El Diablo: 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir : 1 (glyphz)
Ibn-Khaldun : 1 (woad&fangs)
Jolt : 1 (boudica)
Lord Winter : 1 (TheFlax)
TheFlax : 1 (El Diablo)
White_Eyes:D : 1 (Caius)
YLC : 1 (CountArach)
White_eyes:D
01-08-2009, 18:05
Hmmm....about the Reenkster, I have been right the past two games about having suspicions over wither he was Pro-town or not...but for some reason I think he is Pro-town or neutral....(I might have gone insane....thinking that....but oh well....:shrug:)
Unvote:Reenk
Vote:Tevashzat
Tevashzat : 5 (Quintus, Seamus, Sigurd, Yoyo, White_Eyes:D)
TinCow (aka Bovine) : 4 (GeneralHankerchief, Ignoramus, FactionHeir, Reenk Roink)
Reenk Roink : 3 (Jolt, Tevashzat, TinCow)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 (Beefy187)
boudica : 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Caius : 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
CountArach : 1 (YLC)
El Diablo: 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir : 1 (glyphz)
Ibn-Khaldun : 1 (woad&fangs)
Jolt : 1 (boudica)
Lord Winter : 1 (TheFlax)
TheFlax : 1 (El Diablo)
White_Eyes:D : 1 (Caius)
YLC : 1 (CountArach)
I am just luckless.
compared to me your lucky, are you looking for sympathy unduely?
Tincows self-preservation vote is suspicious, players say its a random vote but it doesn't seem it to me, certain vote ideas are without explanation.
And Reenk is just your easy vote, townies are voting without thought, if andres is a crafty game host he'll have destroyed towns poor strategy before long, hope you don't mind me interfering, but i'd give reenk a chance, having said that i wouldn't vote tevash yet until you have more evidence either way (also andres i am allow to contribute still aren't i?)
And i'll :Dead vote: Tincow :clown:
White_eyes:D
01-08-2009, 18:23
compared to me your lucky, are you looking for sympathy unduely?
Tincows self-preservation vote is suspicious, players say its a random vote but it doesn't seem it to me, certain vote ideas are without explanation.
And Reenk is just your easy vote, townies are voting without thought, if andres is a crafty game host he'll have destroyed towns poor strategy before long, hope you don't mind me interfering, but i'd give reenk a chance, having said that i wouldn't vote tevash yet until you have more evidence either way (also andres i am allow to contribute still aren't i?)
And i'll :Dead vote: Tincow :clown:
Unvote:Tevashzat Vote:Tincow Ares makes sense....Tincows weird self-preservation vote, stinks of Mafia....:whip:
Now that I have time to think on it, I'll...
Unvote: CountArach
Vote:TevashSzat
Anyone who willingly goes to their death in mafia is a fool. There seems to be this absurd notion in mafia games that townies should be happy to die. I see no advantage whatsoever to townies letting themselves get lynched. That's one less vote for the town and one less target that the mafia have to kill off. If you want to hold my desire to remain alive in the game against me, so be it. I have never been, nor will I ever be, content to simply be lynched if there is any possible way to avoid it.
Anyone who willingly goes to their death in mafia is a fool. There seems to be this absurd notion in mafia games that townies should be happy to die. I see no advantage whatsoever to townies letting themselves get lynched. That's one less vote for the town and one less target that the mafia have to kill off. If you want to hold my desire to remain alive in the game against me, so be it. I have never been, nor will I ever be, content to simply be lynched if there is any possible way to avoid it.
But this with your also over-exaggerated behavior makes a case
And is it coincidence that YLC changes his vote after tincow gets more votes than tevash? he votes for tevash when tincow is in danger, to re-even it, could YLC be linked with tincow?, this with YLC's "sypathy votes" when he doesnt seem that unlucky makes him a secondary suspect to me, if he was to be mafia, i would then vote against tincow or vica versa, I'm happy i was took notice of by white eyes :2thumbsup: but i am non the less a dead man, and i've been wrong in the past so listen at your disgression.
Basically YLC changing his vote right after white eyes to save tincow is scum of the earth behavior to me, and if he doesnt give detailed justification or re think, i would say tincow and YLC could just be mafia
But this with your also over-exaggerated behavior makes a case
Please explain what over-exaggerated behavior I have engaged in.
But this with your also over-exaggerated behavior makes a case
And is it coincidence that YLC changes his vote after tincow gets more votes than tevash? he votes for tevash when tincow is in danger, to re-even it, could YLC be linked with tincow?, this with YLC's "sypathy votes" when he doesnt seem that unlucky makes him a secondary suspect to me, if he was to be mafia, i would then vote against tincow or vica versa, I'm happy i was took notice of by white eyes :2thumbsup: but i am non the less a dead man, and i've been wrong in the past so listen at your disgression.
Basically YLC changing his vote right after white eyes to save tincow is scum of the earth behavior to me, and if he doesnt give detailed justification or re think, i would say tincow and YLC could just be mafia
And there you would be wrong Ares - stop trying to find clues where there are none. I almost never pay attention to the tally, and I vote however I please. Sigurd's post got me thinking again about why one should vote for Tevash - if Tevash is mafia, then the town scores a victory, however minor it may be. If Tevash is not mafia, then the suspicion falls upon RR, which if he is mafia, was a pointless move.
I don't think TC is mafia, I think TC is playing the way TC plays, nothing more. The thing about mafia is is that each person holds an opinion on what each players, based on role, should play like. Discard this notion immediately - it is in your best interests.
Discard this notion immediately - it is in your best interests.
you can't kill me again YLC :laugh4: a threat just increases the suspicion
Please explain what over-exaggerated behavior I have engaged in.
near start with ATPG, who indicates you all have weird roles no one else can understand, which doesn't exactly comfort me either
near start with ATPG, who indicates you all have weird roles no one else can understand, which doesn't exactly comfort me either
That was called humor. If you're not aware, I'm somewhat fond of making up role PMs, particularly amusing ones (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1989764&postcount=762).
:laugh4:
no the distractions are working! :stare:
GeneralHankerchief
01-08-2009, 19:55
Please, for the love of all that is good in this world, put this round out of its misery. :wall:
you can't kill me again YLC :laugh4: a threat just increases the suspicion
It was never a threat Ares, although it can be taken that way. I was informing you to abandon this idea mafia should play this way, and town should play this way, etc. It's in your best interests to try and analyze the situation, not the people. Each player plays differently and has different perceptions on how the game should be played.
Your jumping on TC because of a specific overall belief he has - should I vote for you on the sole basis of a specific belief you have?
no because voting for the dead is illegal, this isn't just a belief in playing, but your sudden vote clinches it to me, it's not like there are many leads, and thats as good as any, he must have expected something with all his attention seeking, and no im judging behavior not the person, i know your usually kind to me in mafia game, but that doesn't mean i can go easy on a suspect :grin:
El Diablo
01-08-2009, 20:35
Unvote TheFlax
Vote TevashSzat
...and Reink you're next if this proves to be a bad lynch.
(prays that all his years of schooling helped him get the right your or you're. :laugh4:)
TevashSzat
01-08-2009, 20:59
Okay guys seriously, what the hell is with the bandwagon on me?
I can guarantee you that Reenk is lying at least in regards to me because I am a townie, but I bet half of the guys who just bandwagoned on me are mafiosos so yeah.....
How would you guys react if I just started saying that I have a good source who says Tincow is a mafia member?
Thus, I will Unovte, Vote:Tincow because I am trying to act out of self preservation and wanting to lynch Reenk later in the game.
I believe atm, Tincow and I are both tied at 6 votes each
@Sigurd
What is there to counter other than he made an arbitrary accusation? I am a townie, there is nothing for me to counter because he has no evidence other than "his word." In fact, no one has any evidence against me, but are all bandwagoning on because "Reenk said so"
Oh, also FOS: Sigurd, Seamus, El Diablo, White_eyes
I do not trust RR at all, so I would not like to see Tevash dead because of his words.
On the other hand, we have Tevash tied with a known strong mafia player who knows every trick in the book about fooling the town. He may be innocent in this game, but thats a risk I am not willing to take.
Vote: Tincow
As I am now no longer in the lead, I can return my vote to the best lynch candidate.
Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: Lord Winter
Tevashzat : 6 (Quintus, Seamus, Sigurd, Yoyo, YLC, El Diablo)
TinCow (aka Bovine) : 5 (GeneralHankerchief, Ignoramus, FactionHeir, Reenk Roink, White_Eyes:D)
Reenk Roink : 2 (Jolt, Tevashzat)
Lord Winter : 2 (TheFlax, TinCow)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 (Beefy187)
boudica : 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Caius : 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
El Diablo: 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir : 1 (glyphz)
Ibn-Khaldun : 1 (woad&fangs)
Jolt : 1 (boudica)
White_Eyes:D : 1 (Caius)
YLC : 1 (CountArach)
Correct Tally I think:
TinCow (aka Bovine) : 7 (GeneralHankerchief, Ignoramus, FactionHeir, Reenk Roink, White_Eyes:D, Tevash, shlin28)
Tevashzat : 6 (Quintus, Seamus, Sigurd, Yoyo, YLC, El Diablo)
Lord Winter : 2 (TheFlax, TinCow)
Reenk Roink : 1 (Jolt)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 (Beefy187)
boudica : 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Caius : 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
El Diablo: 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir : 1 (glyphz)
Ibn-Khaldun : 1 (woad&fangs)
Jolt : 1 (boudica)
White_Eyes:D : 1 (Caius)
YLC : 1 (CountArach)
Yeesh, so much for that. The above list is wrong due to posts while it was being written.
Unvote: Lord Winter
Vote: Tevashzat
New new new tally:
TinCow (aka Bovine) : 7 (GeneralHankerchief, Ignoramus, FactionHeir, Reenk Roink, White_Eyes:D, Tevash, shlin28)
Tevashzat : 7 (Quintus, Seamus, Sigurd, Yoyo, YLC, El Diablo, Tincow)
Lord Winter : 1 (TheFlax)
Reenk Roink : 1 (Jolt)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 (Beefy187)
boudica : 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Caius : 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
El Diablo: 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir : 1 (glyphz)
Ibn-Khaldun : 1 (woad&fangs)
Jolt : 1 (boudica)
White_Eyes:D : 1 (Caius)
YLC : 1 (CountArach)
CountArach
01-08-2009, 21:25
Anyone who willingly goes to their death in mafia is a fool. There seems to be this absurd notion in mafia games that townies should be happy to die. I see no advantage whatsoever to townies letting themselves get lynched. That's one less vote for the town and one less target that the mafia have to kill off. If you want to hold my desire to remain alive in the game against me, so be it. I have never been, nor will I ever be, content to simply be lynched if there is any possible way to avoid it.
The logic is that if townies make no noise as they go then we can easily tell if we have got a member of the mafia - mafia are going to kick up a stink about it.
The logic is that if townies make no noise as they go then we can easily tell if we have got a member of the mafia - mafia are going to kick up a stink about it.
That is a very bad strategy. Doctors and Detectives also kick up a stink about being lynched.
CountArach
01-08-2009, 21:35
That is a very bad strategy. Doctors and Detectives also kick up a stink about being lynched.
Detectives can reveal.
That is a very bad strategy. Doctors and Detectives also kick up a stink about being lynched.
they may also at least try and reveal if it means saving themselves, which hasnt been done, shocker
they may also at least try and reveal if it means saving themselves, which hasnt been done, shocker
The sarcasm is not needed. The point TC is making is that lynching on the basis of wanting to live is a bad way to go on about it - in his opinion.
they may also at least try and reveal if it means saving themselves, which hasnt been done, shocker
Because I'm neither. I was simply pointing out a flaw in his strategy, not claiming a role. I am just a normal townie who is being lynched largely because I won 2 of my last 4 mafia games. While it is somewhat flattering, it is also annoying because it has nothing to do with how I actually play in this game. I don't mind a retribution lynch for Netherworld and Midgard (and I'll admit I might deserve it), but please try and get it out of your systems now and try and judge me on my actual gameplay in the future.
I havent a clue about your other games, i assure you im not interigating you on your previous success, im oblivious to it
I havent a clue about your other games, i assure you im not interigating you on your previous success, im oblivious to it
Let's look at the case against me, shall we?
First, GH votes for me because of my previous games (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2101162&postcount=104).
Then Ignoramus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2101241&postcount=120) and FH (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2101333&postcount=127) think I'm suspicious because I'm trying to do as little harm to the town as possible.
I don't care or protest at this point, and TheFlax even agrees with me (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2101414&postcount=153) on my vote.
Then Reenk Roink votes for me simply to save his own butt (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2101506&postcount=158).
This now puts me over the top based on pretty much nothing, so I defend myself and vote for Reenk Roink (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2101682&postcount=167).
Then people get upset because I defended myself, ignoring that RR did the same thing first. Somehow RR is ignored in all of this and Tevashzat, likely a hapless victim of RR's games, is the one in competition for the lynch. He votes for me out of self-preservation as well (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2102028&postcount=191).
Finally, I'm nicely bookended with yet another vote due to my previous games (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2102031&postcount=192).
So, of 7 votes against me, 2 are because of my previous games and 2 are for self-preservation. That's a very nice case you've built against me. Kudos on your detective work. :thumbsdown:
Reenk Roink
01-08-2009, 22:26
I hope both of them get killed. I'll personally kill the survivor. :bow:
Wow...I am a bit floored TC...I feel I must ow try harder in my mafia games :sweatdrop:
Let's look at the case against me, shall we?
First, GH votes for me because of my previous games (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2101162&postcount=104).
Then Ignoramus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2101241&postcount=120) and FH (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2101333&postcount=127) think I'm suspicious because I'm trying to do as little harm to the town as possible.
I don't care or protest at this point, and TheFlax even agrees with me (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2101414&postcount=153) on my vote.
Then Reenk Roink votes for me simply to save his own butt (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2101506&postcount=158).
This now puts me over the top based on pretty much nothing, so I defend myself and vote for Reenk Roink (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2101682&postcount=167).
Then people get upset because I defended myself, ignoring that RR did the same thing first. Somehow RR is ignored in all of this and Tevashzat, likely a hapless victim of RR's games, is the one in competition for the lynch. He votes for me out of self-preservation as well (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2102028&postcount=191).
Finally, I'm nicely bookended with yet another vote due to my previous games (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2102031&postcount=192).
So, of 7 votes against me, 2 are because of my previous games and 2 are for self-preservation. That's a very nice case you've built against me. Kudos on your detective work. :thumbsdown:
you hadn't adequently defended yourself before this point, so don't blame me :shrug:
GeneralHankerchief
01-08-2009, 22:49
So, of 7 votes against me, 2 are because of my previous games and 2 are for self-preservation. That's a very nice case you've built against me. Kudos on your detective work. :thumbsdown:
Oh come on, you yourself have said that the first round is nothing but randomness and chaos. I was thinking about taking my vote off of you but not after this statement.
Oh come on, you yourself have said that the first round is nothing but randomness and chaos. I was thinking about taking my vote off of you but not after this statement.
IMO, your vote is the most valid one on me, simply because it was random. What started as random turned into a bandwagon, and thus I've had to defend myself.
El Diablo
01-08-2009, 22:55
On the other hand, we have Tevash tied with a known strong mafia player who knows every trick in the book about fooling the town. He may be innocent in this game, but thats a risk I am not willing to take.
Generally a strong mafia player makes a strong townie aswell?
..and no I am not defending my "scummy pal". He has just got bandwaggoned for no reason other than he was a good mafia in other games - not this one. Good players should be kept (but watched closely) as he may also be able to spot mafioso mistakes???
What I don't understand at this point is RR "revalation" and what that means.
1. Perhaps RR is a detective style role and luckily got investigated Tev with a positive result. Possible but he does not seem to be flat out calling for a lynch - particularly when he then votes for TC who he has not even "investigated".
2. Perhaps RR gets something from being lynched (like the Troy McClure from ATPG Simpsons)? he could be a neutral of some sort?
3. He is a bored townie and is just fooling around in the first round knowing that it really doesn't affect too much as no know knows alot at this stage.
4. He is mafia. Unlikely as he has made himeself a big target early. Usually not a good idea - but could be the old WIFOM tactic?? Very very risky.
In his posting he seems to make himself non-townie - once again a neutral? They can often turn bad later so...
Unvote Tevashzat
Vote Reenk Roink
Now those that think I am protecting TC may note that my vote change may infact lynch him.
But I feel it better to try and get what I feel is at the least a neutral rather that trust his call with a Tevashzat or a bandwaggoned TinCow.
Voting concluded.
Stand by for execution.
White_eyes:D
01-08-2009, 23:09
I hope both of them get killed. I'll personally kill the survivor. :bow:
Yeah, I was right the last two games about Reenk.....:book: Hopefully, I am right this time and Reenk is Pro-town or at least neutral....:sweatdrop:
BTW, YLC....you helped Reenk win a Mafia game because you held to life, like a 'Rat being flushed down the toilet'....and you still think that Tin Cows clinging to life is helping town? (I have no mercy on him since Ares got killed....I feel sorry for him.....thus, until Tin Cow is lynched or I am killed I will not remove my vote on him:wink:)
but what if im wrong? :sweatdrop:
well if he is mafia ylc probably is, if he isnt then ylc is probs innocent, though andres might not tell
The Scourge of Ephesus - Day 1 - Conclusion
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Efese-theater.jpg
Ephesus - The Ancient theatre - 8.00 pm.
The gathered tourists shouted and yelled.
It was getting hot. 40 °C in the shadows.
The debates got heated as well.
Reenk Roink, Tevashzat and TinCow were at the middle of the attention.
Finally, the crowd pushed Tevashzat and TinCow forward.
"Lynch Tevashzat, he's got a scummy face and some guy claimed he was sure about his guilt", one group of tourists yelled.
"No, lynch TinCow! I've heard rumours he hails from England. England + cows = madness. Aren't we looking for a maniac? It's him."
The crowd kept yelling and pushing both men until the athletic man, who had spoken earlier that morning stood up and raised his voice.
"Shut up! It seems like you guys can't make up your mind." He held something in his hand. It had a silvery shine.
"I found this ancient coin. I suggest I flip it. If it's head, it's TinCow, otherwise, it's Tevashzat. Agreed?"
The crowd approved and thus, the man flipped his coin.
While the coin was floating in the air, somebody raised his voice: "Wait, I've changed my mind. I no longer think Tevashzat is guilty."
***
Suddenly, time stopped and a cloud appeared and a golden light shined over the theater. A loud voice could be heard:
"What? I had this whole story ready about a crowd looking at a coin and guys pushing each other and something happening and then you're going to make a last minute vote change? Gah!"
The cloud disappeared again and time continued.
***
The athletic man turned his gaze at TinCow.
"Ok then, it seems like you're the one who is going to die. Any last words?"
TinCow looked around him.
"You are all crazy! Crazy! I'm an innocent man! If you dare to lynch me, then I'll, I'll, I'll... I'll sue you all!"
"Yeah, yeah," the athletic man said and he kicked TinCow in the face.
As soon as he hit the ground another man took a large rock and threw it at TinCow's skull. Another one did the same and within minutes the crowd was kicking and hitting TinCow's already dead body.
After the crowd was calm again, one man said: "Now, sue us!"
The gathered tourists laughed.
"Let's hope we got the scumbag! Good night all".
And so, the tourists walked away, hoping for a peaceful night...
While the tourists where still whispering and talking about the past events, a gentle breeze tried to cover the coin under the sand again. Before the coin disappeared however, a man grabbed it and put it in his pocket.
***
Tally:
TinCow : 7 (GH, shlin28, Reenk Roink, White_Eyes:D, Tevashzat, FactionHeir, Ignoramus) :skull:
Tevashzat : 6 (Quintus.JC, YLC, Sigurd, Yoyoma, TinCow, Seamus Fermanagh)
Reenk Roink : 2 (Jolt, El Diablo)
boudica : 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Jolt : 1 (boudica)
White_Eyes:D : 1 (Caius)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 (187Beefyz)
YLC : 1 (CountArach)
Ibn-Khaldun : 1 (woad&fangs)
Lord Winter: 1 (TheFlax)
Caius: 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
El Diablo: 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir: 1 (glyphz)
Not voted : 4 ('khaan, Rythmic, Askthepizzaguy, Lord Winter)
***
Alive (28)
boudica
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
seireikhaan
Rythmic
shlin28
Tiberius of the Drake
Reenk Roink
White_Eyes :D
Tevashzat
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC
YLC
Sigurd
woad&fangs
Yoyoma1910
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
CountArach
TheFlax
Caius
El Diablo
Glyphz
FactionHeir
Seamus Fermanagh
Ignoramus
Killed (1) :
777Ares777
Lynched (1) :
TinCow
WoG/Suicide (0):
It's now night. Night will either last until 19.30 or until 24.00 (GMT +1; RL may interfere).
PM's please :bow:
Good night town :devil:
Reenk Roink
01-08-2009, 23:33
PM from YLC (earlier before the lynch - Time: Today, 11:34 AM Eastern)
Look, I see what your trying to pull (I think...therefore I don't, but at least I a sure of myself :sweatdrop:), and I'm willing to believe you for now. So, in the interests of not getting you killed almost immediately, lets do to you what you did to me in Prometheus - Make you highly suspicious, but not enough to lynch you outright. If the mafia are predictable in anyway in this game, they may let you live based on the idea that your a good cover for now.
[snip: not relevant]
Also Andres please kill TevashSzat (I see no need to PM you with my powers and such).
PM me if you need me to PM you... :sweatdrop:
You could have left the other half of the message out RR, that was a of a much more personal matter that had nothing to do with the game at all. And stop pulling things that consistently make me rethink my position on you - I have enough things that induce headaches.
Reenk Roink
01-08-2009, 23:45
You could have left the other half of the message out RR, that was a of a much more personal matter that had nothing to do with the game at all. And stop pulling things that consistently make me rethink my position on you - I have enough things that induce headaches.
Ok my mistake about the second personal part of the PM. I must admit that I actually did not read your PM before this. Just skimmed it.
I do apologize for the personal part. :shame:
Also, you are too modest in your personal part anyway and I am happy you are rethinking your position. :laugh4:
A bit of advice for the town:
1) Never consider anyone to be a proven townie. In the first game, some townies could become mafia in the middle of the game if they were discovered by one of the mafia families. These townies did not know that they could be recruited before then, they thought they were just normal townies. When they were 'flipped' they were given the choice of changing sides or dying, which is no choice at all, especially since being mafia is fun. Thus, people may be legimitately playing as townies early on, and still be true mafia later. On the positive side, there were very few people who could do this.
2) If you find yourself in a day phase with no decent leads to go on, lynch ReenK Roink. If he's telling the truth, he's a neutral role, and they're never good for anyone but themselves. If he's lying (most), he's screwing over the town with his games and it'd be better to lose him than a more producive townie.
3) Don't form townie groups. If you've got actual information or interesting theories, post them publicly. Making info public helps the town. Keeping it private hurts the town. Trust me, I know.
TevashSzat
01-09-2009, 00:39
Okay, if we got a detective PLEASE INVESTIGATE REENK ROINK
He is either
a) A mafioso trying to pull something off, which means he should be lynched
b) Some vigilante/neutral role which won't help townies at all meaning he should be lynched
c) A townie just playing games and not really helping guys, which means he should be lynched
If anyone thinks that I am not a townie, feel free to investigate me, I have nothing to hide
Beefy187
01-09-2009, 01:02
A bit of advice for the town:
1) Never consider anyone to be a proven townie. In the first game, some townies could become mafia in the middle of the game if they were discovered by one of the mafia families. These townies did not know that they could be recruited before then, they thought they were just normal townies. When they were 'flipped' they were given the choice of changing sides or dying, which is no choice at all, especially since being mafia is fun. Thus, people may be legimitately playing as townies early on, and still be true mafia later. On the positive side, there were very few people who could do this.
2) If you find yourself in a day phase with no decent leads to go on, lynch ReenK Roink. If he's telling the truth, he's a neutral role, and they're never good for anyone but themselves. If he's lying (most), he's screwing over the town with his games and it'd be better to lose him than a more producive townie.
3) Don't form townie groups. If you've got actual information or interesting theories, post them publicly. Making info public helps the town. Keeping it private hurts the town. Trust me, I know.
Agreed. This makes this mafia harder for the town..:sweatdrop:
Im out for whole day today so don't expect me to be active. :bow:
El Diablo
01-09-2009, 01:02
Please fill us in more on your plan YLC - what do you think he is?
Trying to protect him from mafia won't work when he ends up lyched for being too suspicious...
Reenk Roink
01-09-2009, 01:32
I am actually very disappointed that I continue to receive this reception from the town. When I got my role I thought long and hard about exactly what I should do while staying true to what was expected of me. I decided to immediately start the game out like it to make myself plain and known.
Not only has the town's reaction to me completely screwed my mission, it forced me out of character, taking away a lot of the fun of the game for me as well.
Last time I was Loki, I turned my back on the town that turned it's back on me. Needless to say things are different now. One day, long after this game is all said and done, you guys (the chosen ones) will look back and appreciate my inscrutable ways...
Andres, please scratch the previous plan. I will send you a PM with my new actions and the new direction I am going to take. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Actually, I PMed TC before he died with my theory, but he died before he could respond, so now I get to bother you all with it.
How "town" are you? Stupid question, nevermind.
I believe RR might be Bernard, and he is truly trying to get himself lynched, because Isabelle might become stronger if he does so - thus balancing out the fact they have one less member. RR would only do this if he could do two things - insure that the survivor was competent, and that victory was more then 50%. This leads me to believe Isabelle is a competent player, and one who has not been voted for yet.
I am not discussing this in the thread yet, simply because it's a bit way out there, and I wanted your thoughts first before I presented it.
:bow:
Can't respond, I'm dead.
Now, what does the town think? As an aside note, if my theory is true, Reenk also may have the ability to kill as well as investigate - this would add up, since it was Günner and Fehrad were our killers on night one - the reference to "do you have the package". Bernard should also be able to kill, yet there was no kill, and Reenk immediately accused Tevash of needing to be lynched - thus, Tevash, if Reenk is Bernard, is Manfredo. Although this leaves Isabelle, Günner and Fehrad unknowns for now, unless we consider that whoever Isabelle is, she might have the restriction of voting for whoever Bernard votes for - so check where Reenk voted, and look at those who voted after him, and be sure to check after he revoted as well, someone revoting would be telling.
I am actually very disappointed that I continue to receive this reception from the town. When I got my role I thought long and hard about exactly what I should do while staying true to what was expected of me. I decided to immediately start the game out like it to make myself plain and known.
Not only has the town's reaction to me completely screwed my mission, it forced me out of character, taking away a lot of the fun of the game for me as well.
Last time I was Loki, I turned my back on the town that turned it's back on me. Needless to say things are different now. One day, long after this game is all said and done, you guys (the chosen ones) will look back and appreciate my inscrutable ways...
Andres, please scratch the previous plan. I will send you a PM with my new actions and the new direction I am going to take. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Your "inscrutable ways" doomed your plan from the start. Telling us to do something in a game based on suspicions, and you do not expect us to question your motives? Come down from on high and mingle with the sheep, Great Shepard. Taking someone for granted in these games is a sure fire way of losing it all together in this game of lies.
Reenk Roink
01-09-2009, 01:41
Your theory fails miserably because as soon as I got a majority vote on myself, I unvoted and voted TinCow. Please keep trying to understand the ununderstandable though, it is the little bit of fun left for me in this game. :laugh4:
Your theory fails miserably because as soon as I got a majority vote on myself, I unvoted and voted TinCow. Please keep trying to understand the ununderstandable though, it is the little bit of fun left for me in this game. :laugh4:
No, I do not see how my theory fails. The part about Isabelle being restricted to vote where Bernard votes unto itself is flimsy, but possible. I am only listing possibilities, not definites. Also, I asked for input, nothing more. Your repeated attempts to talk about yourself in the third person though during the beginning of the game mean you ARE Bernard (I think...:sweatdrop:, I have no idea where that came from, but yeah...). Or your not familiar with the English language...
El Diablo
01-09-2009, 02:37
I am actually very disappointed that I continue to receive this reception from the town. When I got my role I thought long and hard about exactly what I should do while staying true to what was expected of me. I decided to immediately start the game out like it to make myself plain and known.
What kind of reception would you have prefered
taking away a lot of the fun of the game for me
Again, prey tell what we should we treat you like?
Askthepizzaguy
01-09-2009, 10:48
A bit of advice for the town:
1) Never consider anyone to be a proven townie. In the first game, some townies could become mafia in the middle of the game if they were discovered by one of the mafia families. These townies did not know that they could be recruited before then, they thought they were just normal townies. When they were 'flipped' they were given the choice of changing sides or dying, which is no choice at all, especially since being mafia is fun. Thus, people may be legimitately playing as townies early on, and still be true mafia later. On the positive side, there were very few people who could do this.
2) If you find yourself in a day phase with no decent leads to go on, lynch ReenK Roink. If he's telling the truth, he's a neutral role, and they're never good for anyone but themselves. If he's lying (most), he's screwing over the town with his games and it'd be better to lose him than a more producive townie.
3) Don't form townie groups. If you've got actual information or interesting theories, post them publicly. Making info public helps the town. Keeping it private hurts the town. Trust me, I know.
I disapprove of TinCow's lynch. If I recall, he gets lynched early in a bunch of games.
He's a good player, from what I've seen. He will be missed and I hope he stays and gives his opinion as the game progresses. TinCow could have been a bad role or a good one, there's no way to know at this point, or perhaps just a townie. I would have rather seen his voting patterns.
Second, I agree that Reenk's behavior is out of place. I agree with self-lynch in the cases where someone is an Actor role, or lynch immune. Otherwise it's... ahem... :whip: BAD TOWNIE BEHAVIOR.
For that reason, I ask for his head. No hard feelings Reenk, just my opinion.
Third, if you're going to vote for me, keep your vote on me. Either lynch me or don't. Since I cannot be here everyday, I will be missing some of the votes. And since I've already shown up during two night phases, where I am useless to town, that's not points in my favor. What I intend to do is reverse the pattern, so I am here for the town's votes and not here at night, and for the people who KNOW me, that absolutely proves my innocence because I am literally gone every two days and as Andres said, that means I cannot send in my night orders, if any.
Alright on second thought it could be a good cover, but still counterproductive, objectively speaking.
I'm not going to be as "distracting" as I was earlier, before the game really began for town. At this point I will be more serious, respond to questioning, etc, give my opinion, but there's too many other people here and not enough to go on yet. Still, I disapprove of Reenk's strategy, whatever it may be, and if he's got a self-destructive roleplaying role, it could still prove to be a distraction.
I can understand if Reenk is a townie and had a role and wanted to roleplay, but I still would suggest that his importance to the game, if any, be kept hidden from the mafia, or from the town who would potentially lynch him. It was bound to happen and Reenk is experienced enough to know this.
Reenk, at least you will get to laugh at us if we're wrong, but you're not behaving in a way I can accept from an innocent townie... especially after admitting your "role". If you're trying to get the mafia or the town to lynch you as opposed to someone else, it's working, but I also consider that potentially bad strategy, IMHO.
We'll see.
Askthepizzaguy
01-09-2009, 11:06
By the way, if YLC's Bernard theory holds true, I want to claim right away that I am not Isabelle. You can investigate me, but I'd prefer you not waste it. Just lynch me instead. I know my analytical style is distracting and I also know that nobody trusts me, so either lynch me and be done with it, or let me speak.
Spoilers, because of WIFOM reasoning.
It would be awfully dumb if Reenk and I were Bernard and Isabelle for me to put this idea in your head, suicidal, and unnecessary. I'm known to play that way, but for the reason that I'm known to play that way, that makes the strategy even more less likely to succeed.
Ok, so that's a bit WIFOM reasoning, but in this case I'd argue that no one trusts me anyways and I'm talking about it, and odds are people would panic and lynch me anyway. And I know that, and you know that. So, it's really, and objectively, counterproductive, and I try hard to WIN the game, not lose it on a stupid gamble. My gambles are more calculated than that.
I'm still mulling over whether I want to claim a role that I don't have to get the mafia to kill me. Which is interesting, because I'm basically daring the mafia to kill me. If town leaves me alive, the option to kill me becomes ever more intriguing... and they will waste a kill on a useless townie.
And because I just said that, and I'm known for using reverse psychology, I'm hoping they think I am bluffing and will kill me anyway.
*awaits his glorious murder death... please be sure to include lots of gory blood.
If Day phase starts soon, I can vote, but I won't be here all day, no pun intended.
Yes I know this post is lynch bait. Sorry... basically that's how I play. Those of you who have played with me know that.
Why post PMs? >_> (n00b question.)
Anyways, when I meant RR's seemed like an a**, I meant he seemed like an arc. Noah's didn't smell nice though, with all 'em animals sutffed in there. :)
EDIT: Why would anyone try to get himself lynched?
Askthepizzaguy
01-09-2009, 14:43
There's no way I'll be able to be here for the vote, once again.
:shame:
Reenk, you might be off the hook at this rate. I have to leave, won't be back in time for the vote, but what I'll do is I'll probably skip being at home for the night phase as well, and will get back for the next day cycle and be in synch with the rest of you. And if I'm dead, then I'll just haunt you.
Muhuhuhahahhahaaa!!!!
And point my finger of suspicion at those I think are eeeevil, and why. No worries.
EDIT: @jolt: Actor roles win when they get lynched. I doubt this game has an Actor.
Lynch immune roles can prove their innocence by being lynched... proof to some extent anyway. I sincerely doubt Andres puts roles like that into a game like this.
Self-lynching is bad for town, as it kills a townie on purpose who should know better... with due respect to Reenk, I'm sure he'll set me straight afterwards due to his greater experience. If a mafia self-lynches, then it's also bad for town, because we might start to think the guy is innocent when he might not be, and take his advice like a bunch of fools. Surely we should realize self-lynching is bad townie or risky mafia behavior in most cases, and that's why I suspect it.
EDIT: Why would anyone try to get himself lynched?
It's not a very successful tactic, but it's been known (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1937493&postcount=100) to happen (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1939391&postcount=238). As with everything in mafia, there are always exceptions to the rules (and commonly accepted strategies).
Trying to get yourself lynched is exceedingly risky, but in general it's a good idea for mafioso to draw attention to themselves early on in a game. This increases the likelihood that they will be investigated by a detective during a couple turns when they intentionally choose not to kill, thus 'clearing' them somewhat. The key is to draw enough attention to ensure a detective investigation, but not enough to get lynched. Intentionally voting for your own lynch is a bit of a blunt way of doing this, but it's certainly a viable method.
Later on in the game, getting lynched intentionally can be a good strategy if you think you're about to die anyway and can use your own death to help a fellow mafioso stay alive. In this situation, usually the other mafioso is the main person attacking the person about to be lynched. This is a bit easier to spot than normal, because it depends greatly on the lynched mafioso's real identity being found out pretty quickly, since the identity being confirmed 3 turns later won't provide the same benefits. Since most mafia games do not provide immediate details on the role of a lynched person, this usually means that the lynchee confesses shortly before the time limit is up when all looks 'hopeless.' This then confirms the correctness of the lynch, which in turn makes the mafioso who is leading the prosecution look like a townie.
It's not a very successful tactic, but it's been known (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1937493&postcount=100) to happen (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1939391&postcount=238). As with everything in mafia, there are always exceptions to the rules (and commonly accepted strategies).
Trying to get yourself lynched is exceedingly risky, but in general it's a good idea for mafioso to draw attention to themselves early on in a game. This increases the likelihood that they will be investigated by a detective during a couple turns when they intentionally choose not to kill, thus 'clearing' them somewhat. The key is to draw enough attention to ensure a detective investigation, but not enough to get lynched. Intentionally voting for your own lynch is a bit of a blunt way of doing this, but it's certainly a viable method.
Later on in the game, getting lynched intentionally can be a good strategy if you think you're about to die anyway and can use your own death to help a fellow mafioso stay alive. In this situation, usually the other mafioso is the main person attacking the person about to be lynched. This is a bit easier to spot than normal, because it depends greatly on the lynched mafioso's real identity being found out pretty quickly, since the identity being confirmed 3 turns later won't provide the same benefits. Since most mafia games do not provide immediate details on the role of a lynched person, this usually means that the lynchee confesses shortly before the time limit is up when all looks 'hopeless.' This then confirms the correctness of the lynch, which in turn makes the mafioso who is leading the prosecution look like a townie.
...Oh. Nice explanation. Since I didn't have an idea about what happened in the day phase (Other than mafioso kills).
EDIT: What's WIFOM?
EDIT: What's WIFOM?
From the FAQ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=70374):
WIFOM: Stands for "wine in front of me" a reference to the scene from "The Princess Bride". Describes a situation where you go in an endless loop without reaching a conclusion, e.g. "He voted for himself and mafia care about living so he can't be mafia but he knew we would think that so it's a clever ploy so he is mafia but he knew we knew he knew..."
Quintus.JC
01-09-2009, 16:45
Lynching Tincow could prove costly in the future....
Seriously Reenik needs to be checked. The case against Tevash was poor, the case against Tincow was even worse. Should Tincow been town then we have just lynched one of our most valuable players.
Askthepizzaguy
01-09-2009, 16:50
That dire doom and gloom prediction smells of fabrication. Townies need not be so afraid at this early stage.
People still respect and listen to TinCow. I may even take his direction as to who to vote for, should he make a case for someone.
The pessimism and warning you just posted makes me think you are putting on an act. :smash:
So sayeth the Pizza.
Yoyoma1910
01-09-2009, 16:51
*Sigh*
I just don't get these local customs.
Askthepizzaguy
01-09-2009, 16:54
To what are you referring?
Yoyoma1910
01-09-2009, 17:01
To what are you referring?
*takes a photo of the talking pizza slice, with cape*
Like, where's the Starbucks kiosk?
Askthepizzaguy
01-09-2009, 17:05
*twirls mustache and whistles innocently*
Why, it's down over this way, let me show you...
hides lead pipe behind his back
:whistle:
Yoyoma1910
01-09-2009, 17:20
OOC:
Funny no. But there is this:
:saint:
and this::angel:
and of course this:
:birthday2:
sorry are pizza date has cancled yoyoma, unless your willing to carry my dead body with you
Yoyoma1910
01-09-2009, 18:06
sorry are pizza date has cancled yoyoma, unless your willing to carry my dead body with you
*Takes a picture of the ghost*
Yeah, I just don't get these local customs. Dining with dead people?
*Takes a picture of the ghost*
Yeah, I just don't get these local customs. Dining with dead people?
Your lucky you weren't here at the last one, I heard they had Volcanic Wraiths :skull:
No comments on my theory? No one is going to argue my point at all? I propose the only solid theory so far (solid as it can be) and NO ONE challenges it? Are you all daft?
White_eyes:D
01-09-2009, 19:09
Hmmmm......well no matter......I feel like Reenk might be Isabella.....or he is a 'secret role':book:
but we have no idea IF Tin Cow was innocent....Hell, we have no idea if Reenk is trying to get lynched (To help his buddy) or is pulling a gambit....My money's on he is neutral...and is trying to get lynched to make his buddy more powerful....I say let them kill each other, then lynch who ever survives.....:smg:
Hmmmm......well no matter......I feel like Reenk might be Isabella.....or he is a 'secret role':book:
but we have no idea IF Tin Cow was innocent....Hell, we have no idea if Reenk is trying to get lynched (To help his buddy) or is pulling a gambit....My money's on he is neutral...and is trying to get lynched to make his buddy more powerful....I say let them kill each other, then lynch who ever survives.....:smg:
Thank you for posting nothing. I doubt Reenk is Isabella, makes no sense, I see nothing to gain from such a move. Reenk is calculating, and he only takes calculated risks. For a gambit like the one he made to be so poor...I expect more from the Reenkster.
Askthepizzaguy
01-09-2009, 19:16
Mmm. That would be like me trying a lurker strategy. You gotta expect better.
What DOES Reenk have up his sleeve?
If RR has a role, he is intentionally drawing attention to himself with mentions of night actions. This is an open invitation to be investigated. Thus, he simply refrains from doing anything, gets investigated, and shows up as innocent. He then says "Ha Ha, I was just having fun with you, I'm a normal townie." Having thus been cleared, he has a free pass to kill for most of the game.
Thus, I urge the detective(s) NOT to investigate RR tonight. Do it randomly over the next 2-4 turns. If you absolutely must investigate him tonight, make sure you re-investigate him later. Do NOT assume an innocent result tonight clears him (or anyone) for the rest of the game.
Askthepizzaguy
01-09-2009, 19:22
Frankly, Tincow, I don't see why we should go through the trouble.
A townie doing such is inviting us to waste an investigation just to prove he's innocent, when he doesn't have to do that right now because before he wasn't like our top suspect. He could have waited.
Second, doing so makes the mafia wonder what he's up to. Makes him a top murder target, if he turns up innocent or whatever.
Third, if he's not a townie, let's just kill him instead. Quicker, easier, saves us the trouble.
Fourth, if he's hoping the investigator will find him and they can form a townie group, I don't see how they can do that legally because the investigator cannot reveal in private message, according to the rules.
From every angle, it smells. That's my current conclusion. But I'm not wanting to blunder blindly forward. What if anything am I missing from the above?
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