The Scourge of Ephesus [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

My accusation of GH could come to a screeching halt if this is the case.

I stated before I thought Manfredo could potentially be useful to town. And GH is an "old man", is he not? Manfredo is old, is he not? The abilities are the same, are they not?

He hasn't demonstrated pro-town alignment to me, though. He's still a dangerous man.

[Beefy187]

Well I will not vote for GH next phase. Possibly the last round depending on how things roll. Im still not convinced that GH is the mafia.

boudica ceased all activities for couple days. Both mafia and diplomacy. I'm willing to believe her reasoning for the RL

WIFOM as this may sound, but if I am the mafia, I would just accept your reasoning and go for a easy bandwagon.

3 shooters left. Not all players on your side are going to be innocent ATPG.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Beefy, both you and GH surviving to the end, as top suspects, will make it too late in my estimation. By then it won't MATTER if we lynch GH.

I still await your reasons WHY. I'm a curious man, I need to know WHY you're doing this.

Your scum scent is getting stronger.

[Beefy187]

Hah great. More I speak, more I get scummier.

I will only lynch claimed pro town at the very end, just for the sake of saying "hah you didn't trick me"

and say if GH was a mafia. Good we lynch a mafia. Theres still 2 killers roaming around. We got 2 more lynching opportunities. Why not, kill one of the suspect. Hope that his the mafia. If the game doesn't end, we lynch GH on the final round. That way GH or other buddies can hopefully kill each other.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Beefy, I like you, I respect you, and I generally trust your instincts too.

You haven't demonstrated proper reasoning as to why not GH. WHY not GH. I understand you don't want him dead this round. The only reason I can suspect is because he's your favorite little mafia buddy.

If you can demonstrate alternative reasoning, please do so now.

[Beefy187]

Beefy, I like you, I respect you, and I generally trust your instincts too.

You haven't demonstrated proper reasoning as to why not GH. WHY not GH. I understand you don't want him dead this round. The only reason I can suspect is because he's your favorite little mafia buddy.

If you can demonstrate alternative reasoning, please do so now.

Because we are screwed. The towns are screwed. Two lynch opportunities. Three killers. The only chance we have is let the mafia kill each other. Hopefully we get one of the other mafias. And leave GH The "Definitely" mafia for the final round.

Lynch me this round if you like. but if GH is mafia, we can't let him die. If he is protown. Even more so, we can't let him die.

Both ways, we are probably screwed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Doom and Gloom? FROM YOU, BEEFY?


I cannot believe my eyes. Nothing rattles you. How could you possibly dishonour yourself by conceding so soon?


but if GH is mafia, we can't let him die

I really hope this was a typo.


Lynch me this round if you like

Ummm you're not my top suspect, and I can't lynch anyone. Why would we lynch you this late in the game if you're a townie? Your logic doesn't add up, and it smells of WIFOM.

You haven't adequately explained why GH needs to live, and why you defend him here so vehemently. If we are probably screwed anyway, then it doesn't matter.

If you give up, suicide. If you're interested in town winning the game, either abstain, or give me a GOOD reason we need GH alive.

[Beefy187]

Because it raises our chance.

If GH is a mafia, he can go off kill each other. If he is not then his the role blocker.

I much rather if no one lynched me. I beg you to trust me for raising the possibility of victory. Lettinh GH live seems to be the only possible way to win as there is 2 more rounds and 3 killers.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I see what you're saying and I disagree wholeheartedly.

Because I feel your argument is unsound, and your motivations suspect, I cannot condone your suggested course of action.

I feel you may actually be GH's partner, from your unwavering and unfounded support of him. Chaotix has going for him that he hasn't come forward begging for GH's life after his bizarre role and never-been-killed status.


I could be doing him a favor, you know. If he is really a roleblocker, the other scums may keep him alive as a suspect. No matter what he is, my accusations of him help town, you know.

Am I the only one out here who gets this? I know I am not, several of you have indicated you don't like that GH is still alive.

[TinCow]

But old man, protects tourists.

The old many says he protects tourists, but doesn't actually do so. He didn't do anything to protect ATPG, and Seamus' most recent post with his night result PM indicates that he didn't do anything to protect Seamus either. So, GH claims he is a doctor. His targets have been attacked TWICE at night while he was supposed to be protecting them, yet his role does absolutely nothing to protect them, resulting in ATPG's death and Seamus being possessed or whatever that was.

We also have no evidence whatsoever that GH has ever even role blocked anyone. With the exception of the first night, kills/attacks have continued exactly as we expected them to. Two attacks per night from the digging duo and the random other one from Manfredo/vigilante/athlete/The Punisher/Batman/Manbat. Thus, GH has spent 7 nights targetting TWO people per night, yet there is no proof that he has ever successfully blocked anyone and conclusive proof that he FAILED to protect two people who were attacked while he should have been protecting them.

Ignore the above at your peril.

[edit] I will add this: even if GH is truly pro-town and clueless as to why the above has occurred, as he claims, lynching him is still the right move. Imagine any other player saying the same things GH is saying. Would GH advocate to keep them alive? No, he would not. He would move to lynch them, because the information indicates something fishy and something fishy is never good for the town.

[Beefy187]

He did protect me. And if pm quoting is allowed I would post it here.

And more I defend for him, more GH gets scumier so he survives anyway.

Be notified, I've played mafia number of time. And I think I know mafia strategy. Stay off your partner. Fight him, duel him, vote for him. But never defend for him. Never gather attention. Never fight against main stream opinion.

Unless im a uber mafia who breaks all the usual mafia tactics... Heh.. That was so embarrassing for me to say.

At this point, I cannot use anything but WIFOM to defend my self.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tincow, in spite of our delightful sparring in another game, :medievalcheers: I agree wholeheartedly.

You know your stuff, and it is clear to me that we cannot corroborate GH's supposed "most valuable townie" skill at all. And if he were so valuable to town and dangerous to the mafia, he'd be long dead by now.

If he had a REAL role, the scums would have been seriously blocked.


Q- What about the nights they were supposedly blocked? Hmmmm???
A- WHY didn't GH follow up on that and block the same people twice, thus ensuring they were mafia and preventing needless townie deaths?




Conclusion: GH is intentionally leading town to the grave.

Rebuttal? Explanations? Beefy, care to continue being apologetic for him?

[TinCow]

Don't confuse me with an ally, ATPG. The nature of your death write-up makes me think you were scum of some kind. However, you still should have been protected by GH.

(As noted many times by many people, the above is said exclusively in the context of the game.)

[Askthepizzaguy]

How well I know that people cannot blindly trust me.


However, if I could beg everyone's attention for one small moment:

How many people died in the writeups in a potentially incriminating way? How many claimed to have been framed?

I wasn't keeping track, but it was a lot, if I recall.




I don't ask for blind trust. I simply ask for the arguments to be reasonable, and for people to be open minded enough to consider them. Vigilance is what I'd expect... from a townie of Tincow's stripe.

:bow:

[Beefy187]

Long shot, but mafia was hoping GH to be lynched a long time ago. Suspect of the mafia is those who pushed for GHs death for long time now. Killing him now will confirm his innocence.

Or GH has a special role to be immune from mafia attacks.

This is not very traditional mafia is it? Anything is possible.

I get what you mean. If we don't lynch GH now, even if we kill GH in the final round, he could win and it is too late.
We lynch him next round. Good job. We still have 2 more roaming around. Blind. Don't know who to lynch.

Better if we have less suspects with more kills. Number of opportunity to lynch we get is the same isn't it?

EDIT: Shower time, battery low and TVs on. My apologies but this will be my final response for this phase. Ill see you when I wake up

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now that your defense of GH has failed, and you've grudgingly agreed he will be lynched today, Beefy:

Why, after that heroic attempt at a defense, shouldn't we lynch you immediately afterward? Desperate mafioso sometimes sacrifice one of their own to keep the other alive.

I suspect that you're GH's partner. I will be thoroughly checking the thread to see if you've ever seriously gone after him. I don't expect you to vote for him, and even if you do, know that it does not exonerate you in my eyes.

[Jolt]

I find it funny that all people GH blocked fall asleep in his cave. Is this a simple coincidence? After they are asleep, what does GH do? It's quite odd that noone stays awake to actually see if GH remains in the cave. My bet goes to GH's being scummy.

Did anyone read this? This is the proof that once the guys are asleep, his character comes out of the cave to kill someone.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I admit I did not fully consider that possibility, but I had oodles of reasons for going after GH already.

I noted you were probably innocent because of your willingness to go after him, in spite of his "invaluable" "townie" ability.

[GeneralHankerchief]

My defense is as follows. (http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechindependenceday.html)

[Yoyoma1910]

No guys, I just thought of the answer!

Don't you get it:


Pizza, who was likely innocent, was killed by the VIGILANTE!

He was killed by the sword. GH couldn't protect him because it was a protown hit!


It all makes sense now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am innocent, and from what YLC told me in private, it was the vigilante who killed me.

But I didn't really have reasons for trusting him, and he said he did not know who the vigilante was, or that the vigilante somehow was able to contact him but he didn't know who he was.

I can verify that it was alleged I was killed by vigilante, and if I was killed by the blade (if I recall... the games are blending together now...) then it was so I think.

I still do not think GH is innocent, because the mafia would/should have killed him by now, or GH should have blocked the mafia, one night, and then repeated the next night.

He's not bad at this game, he's the freakin' master. How he would miss such an obvious strategy is beyond me.... wait! No, it's not. He could be... yes... scum!

[Yoyoma1910]

Well, they did try to kill him.

[TinCow]

No guys, I just thought of the answer!

Don't you get it:


Pizza, who was likely innocent, was killed by the VIGILANTE!

He was killed by the sword. GH couldn't protect him because it was a protown hit!


It all makes sense now.

As far as I am aware, nearly every single protection role that has ever been written for mafia games makes 'doctor' abilities work against any attacker, regardless of alignment. There is nothing whatsoever in GH's role PM that indicates he is anything other than a bland old boring combo role blocker and doctor. If we're just going to discard what we know about how roles work, when there is no evidence to the contrary, next time I fake a role PM I'll be the Magic Fairy Pixie Dust Monkey who can bestow all powers in the Known World on others, but has no idea which powers will be given, who they will be given to, and whether they will even work. When you then try to lynch me for being mafioso scum, I will claim innocence by being unable to explain my Strange But Awesome Powers.

http://fun-pics.com/killer_monkey.jpg

[Yoyoma1910]

There are many variations of "doctor" roles.


It is possible that a protown role would not be able to prevent another protown role.

[TinCow]

Do you think the possibility that this is true is strong enough to overcome all of the evidence against GH?

[Yoyoma1910]

Anyway, it would really depend on the Vigilante role, and not the doctor.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Occam's Razor, please.

The simplest solution to this entire mess is right in front of your eyes. GH is mafia, and has been fortunate enough to be bestowed upon him a role with which to convince you otherwise.

[Yoyoma1910]

Occam can shove his razor up his toenail.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Do you have a better option? Forgive me, but I didn't see your suggestion that has an objectively higher chance of success, if I did I would endorse it.


You know, I may come off as an arrogant smarty-pants, (I don't mean to) but I do listen. If you guys have better leads, I will follow you / offer my support.

[Yoyoma1910]

Followers and supporters are not what is needed at this moment.


We need strong critical analysis and creative thinking.

If you're saying, "Well, this can't possibly be how it happened," then you're possibly throwing out the evidence.

If we can get a broader view, then we can come to precision from it. If we start with a small view, then we will miss.

So what? A Vigilante couldn't be able to surpass blocking abilities?
...........


So what if GH is Mafia? It's possible, yes, but who's the other one? Figure that out. That's who we need to catch. GH might seem an obvious choice, and maybe he's the Oswald. I don't know. Who's the guy on the grassy knoll?

[Askthepizzaguy]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2113790&postcount=738

I have other options here, and I can go in-depth as to why they reek in greater detail.


However, your aggressive defense of GH is pondersome. I'm actually curious as to your alignment, still-alive dude who I feel is borderline.

:wink:

[TinCow]

Followers and supporters are not what is needed at this moment.

We need strong critical analysis and creative thinking.

...

So what if GH is Mafia? It's possible, yes, but who's the other one? Figure that out. That's who we need to catch. GH might seem an obvious choice, and maybe he's the Oswald. I don't know. Who's the guy on the grassy knoll?

I commend you for the above statements and agree with you. If we can find some solid evidence about another mafioso, I would not oppose lynching them over GH. However, it really does need to be pretty solid. If we're faced with a wishy-washy lynch based on nothing more than posting style, we're seriously risking lynching a townie. At this late stage of the game, we shouldn't do that. GH should be lynched unless there is some actual solid evidence about someone else.

I do support switching the discussion away from GH. I feel like the evidence has been presented against him in full. Hammering on it further isn't very useful. Better to discuss the remaining people, since we've definitely got more than one mafioso left.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Agreed. The case has been made by several peoples against GH.

I would like to discuss Chaotix, Boudica and beefy. I laid out a basic case against them, not in the most poetic style, but I have time to discuss any or all 3 of them, and anyone else.

I analyzed EVERY SINGLE POST of EVERY SINGLE LIVING PLAYER. It is all stored on my computer in a separate file for each person, all their activity, scumminess, etc, is there to be discussed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I hesitate to post my analysis while it is still night time.


I would prefer to wait, or give my results to someone. Tincow perhaps.

Please, I will have to go.... I would like someone to post my findings for me when daylight comes.

[TinCow]

You can't send anything to me, I'm dead. And so are you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Dangit! That's right. *Fiddlesticks*

I tried to post a :daisy: but some of the curse word still slipped out :laugh4:



Grrr.... how much longer might I have to wait? I want to unload this puppy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have no choice. I cannot wait here for another 7 hours.

I need this to at least be put out there.

El Diablo

Townie behavior:
Reasonable vote Reenk Roink. Asks question, notes no one answered. Reasonable question 448 TOWNIE 453

GH VOTED HIM. Analysis: TOWNIE

Lord Winter

Townie behavior: Not here for a long time, when he gets back he immediately begins analysis (444) 462
Good analysis 462

Anti-Ibn-Khaldun, Anti-GH, VERY ANTI GH!!! VERY ANTI-IBN!!!

Calls for more votes per lynch!!!!

Analysis: SURE TOWNIE

Yoyoma

Deciding vote on JOLT
~8 excuse posts (non-helpful, apologetic, non-contributory)
Lurks/post minimum 8 pages at 80postsperpage
Never followed up on the statue thing. He said he would.

Total lurker strategy... passive townie at best. Only attempt at being helpful was an odd attack launched at Ibn-Khaldun. Never followed up on the statue.

Not the best townie in the world, my friends. Very convenient mafia pattern.
Analysis: Scummy, but not confirmed.

Glyphz
Townie behavior: Asks reasonable questions

Anti-YLC. good analysis, pays attention, good humor. Pro-Pizza. 366. Constant tallys. Woad thinks innocent. Analysis: Probably town. Only responsible for one townie's death, so fairly clean hands.

Caius

Townie behavior: reasonable excuse for lurk
Not responsible for the deaths of the innocent.

Totally lurking. However, very cool lurker... so lurky that it's insane.

Seamus Fermanagh

Townie: abstains day one. Asks Reenk to reveal. Plan of action: 324, 390

anti-boudica, good analysis, anti-chaotix

ANALYSIS: CLEAN HANDS GOOD ANALYSIS, TOWN

Ibn-Khaldun

Suggests I am not guilty! post 568
Admirable behavior: No defense posts, just votes, and gives analysis later.
Refuses to defend himself post 590


Lurker townie, helpful and not distracting or trying to manipulate people.
Analysis: possible townie

Beefy187

questions almighty Pizzaguy: 2 times ("random" votes post 108, 267)
Apologetic excuses post number 454
Defends YLC post 333
Trusts GH! voted SK

post 614
With 15 players still alive, I think its rather foolish to lynch a player who claims a pro town role. He could be a useful asset. We should wait until we get down to around 10 players. Needless to say, hes active and been providing more ideas then many of us.

Especially because I was indeed in contact with GH (or who ever the role blocker is) last night. Why would a scum block a player when he could be killing countless innocents?

Analysis: bad townie, or scum! Lurks, doesn't give good analyses, does not seriously go after anyone, follower, apologetic, hasn't nailed any baddies yet.


Boudica


GH claims to have blocked Boudica. IF GH is innocent, Boudica is not.. GH defends Boudica. Voted Seireikhaan. Seamus Fermanagh nailed her! Glyphz defended her.

She never followed through with any in-depth look at the thread. she has contributed nothing positive and has been responsible for close executions. She is hypocritical, doom and gloomy, bandwagonny, Lurking, Lurking, Lurking, and only shows up to post when someone accuses her.

She is no one that town needs alive anymore. She can't hit the broad side of a barn when lynching mafia, and she's done nothing positive at all. Glyphz defended her, GH defended her. She is anti-seireikhaan and anti-Jolt, and constantly gives excuses for not contributing more.

She is a top suspect, along with her crony GH.

Chaotix

Seamus is anti-Chaotix. Chaotix is a TOTAL LURKER and has been one of the deciding votes in two bad lynches. He's absolutely worthless and urged people not to listen to me post 413. He knows better. He was hypocritical post 593, bandwagonned post 580, votes for veteran players, gave excuses for not doing more, and voted without a reason more than once.

Chaotix seems worthless to town. I've worked with him several times, he always does better than this. He's scum or he's giving an abysmal performance compared to past games. I dont trust him AT ALL.

YLC

Questions Pizzaguy: 2 times (post 415, 532)
Analysis: Defensive, partially helpful. Acts scummy a fair number of times. Absolutely refuses to go after GeneralHankerchief
Personality: Aggressive Townie/Mafia

Needs to explain post 530. Defends GH, never goes after GH. GH claims to have "blocked" YLC to clear him.

Notes: YLC has several points in his favor, with his aggressive reasoning; post 224, 227 About Bernard Third person. 245 he almost reaches an arrogance level comparable to Askthepizzaguy! 247 same. Good observation against Seireikhaan. Check Caius post 447. Woad and Caius disagree with YLC, so does Seireikhaan.

Analysis: Potentially very scummy... but redeemable?

GH

Otherwise scummy behavior: 8 times (Asked to ignore Reenk post 266) Veiled threat against me post 383. Supposed defense of me failed. Still alive. Excessive edits post 600. 616 stalling. 626 what a post! Says he's not a townie. CLAIMS HE IS TOWNS GREATEST ASSET (651) He is claiming he is the victim of a conspiracy.
questions Pizzaguy: All Game

Analysis: Should have been deaded long ago.


CountArach

Bad: Trusts GH
Townie behavior: Truly randoms YLC, attempted analysis, keeps vote on scummy people. Calls off lynch on Lord Winter. Cool head. Analytical. Believable excuse.

Analysis: Townie.

Sorry about the mess... it was really intended to be notes for just myself, and not for public consumption.

:shame:

Each of these people had a 50-parameter mafia database search pattern before the analysis you see here. I choose not to reveal that search pattern, as revealing the parameters of that search will damage future results and make it a less effective tool.

I can give VERY specific reasons why I feel this way about everyone here. You either have to trust me or form your own decisions, because I doubt we can cover all the suspects before I leave.

And some of the people I thought were town? Yeah they were deaded by the time I got here. And they WERE town.

[Yoyoma1910]

Excuse me?!?


I followed through on the statue! I sat around and did 6 hours of research.

I even posted some general info up on here.

But nobody payed attention, or asked me for additional information.


You're too busy posting your egos.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Excuse me?!?


I followed through on the statue! I sat around and did 6 hours of research.

I even posted some general info up on here.

But nobody payed attention, or asked me for additional information.


You're too busy posting your egos.

I'm terribly sorry, but can you show me which posts were an in-depth analysis of the statue.

As I said, this was not intended for public consumption, so if I made an error or made a comment that sounded like it should have stayed in my head, well... :shrug:

Apologies if I was wrong, but I didn't read anywhere anything conclusive about the statue. Link please.

[Yoyoma1910]

Yeah, as soon as you pay me the $180 worth of time I wasted. Otherwise, you can go dig for it.



And no, it's not going to be in depth, as stated. I posted general information. Nobody responded or asked for more, so I let it go. I'm not going to post a book on here if no one wants to read it. That's just spam, kid.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, if you disagreed with my comment, the onus is on you to post proof that I am wrong.

Can anyone else corroborate his claim to have been helpful? I honestly did NOT see anything that useful. And I did read each of his posts. I do make mistakes though, and I can't remember all this, and thats why I write things down.

[Yoyoma1910]

I don't see you being helpful. Just filling up pages.
And I don't have to prove anything.




Anyway, lynch me. I'm done.

[Yoyoma1910]

I tell you what...


It's tied to one of the great wonders of the ancient world


Those things on the side are animals


Those things around the chest are possibly many breasts, bull testicles, or some sort of satchel. The style of this decoration can be dated back to the Geometric period...


Figure it out from there.





Bye... WOG or LYNCH, your choice.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not being helpful?


Ok maybe you disagree with my analysis, maybe you're not having fun, whatever the case may be, and I'm sorry if I've offended you, but... I gave an honest attempt at analyzing the living players thus far. You aren't my top suspect but you aren't someone I fully trust either.

It's not like you to quit. And if you're townie you shouldn't ask to be lynched at this late hour. Talk to the game host about being WOG'ed or replaced, if it's that serious, I suggest.

I know that these games can grate on people's nerves, but I hope we're still cool. It's nothing personal, it's just a game. We've had fun in other games. Sometimes we get put in an adversarial position and thats no one's fault.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You take points away from people because they have the nerve to defend themselves. The audacity! As a townie, it is your duty to do everything you can to avoid the lynch, since you know it's a wasted round. You say you analyzed one of my games; I'm assuming it's Mafia VIII since it's the most recent.

If you did read that game, you should remember Kagemusha, who faced immense pressure. When the final round came along, Kage was the only clear-cut lynch target. Did he lie down and take it? Of course not! He fought like a wildcat to stay alive, and eventually the town lynched the right person and won the game! Had Kage abided by your definitions of scumminess and pro-townieness, the mafia would have won.

[Yoyoma1910]

Wonka walks are best enjoyed before eating a 5 cheese and pepperoni pizza. Maybe with a nice Chianti.

[Andres]

The Scourge of Ephesus - Night 8 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Ephesusbynight.jpg

The Ancient City of Ephesus - 2.00 am


Yoyoma1910 couldn't sleep that night and decided to go for a walk.

After taking a few pictures, Yoyoma1910 carefully looked around and noticed nobody was there.

Yoyoma1910 started to giggle, looked around for one more time and then started do jump and make some very silly walks.

A man, lurking in the shadows saw Yoyoma1910 giggling and walking very strangely.

"You seem to have no worries. Remarkable, under the circumstances."

Yoyoma1910 looked embarassed.

"Oops! Seems like you caught me. Well, I blame being under a lot of stress lately. I just came up with this crazy idea of walking silly and well, ... Oh, at least it made me laugh. It's been ages since I've been laughing!"

Yoyoma1910 smiled.

The man looked confused.

"People are dying and you are having fun?"

"Ehm," Yoyoma1910 looked very embarassed now. "Well, yes. But to change the subject, do you like pizza? I do! I adore pizza! Especially the ones with cheese, or pepperoni. Yes, those are delicious."

The man pointed his gun at Yoyoma1910.

"Oh, that's rude, pointing that gun at me and all that. So, this is how you thank me for bringing joy in this horrible place? How ungrateful! And I was just thinking about asking you to go eat pizza with me after this mess would be over. Now, now, now. I would have paid for the pizza and the wine! And maybe some musicians. You like music, do you? Put that gun away, will you? This is really not the behaviour I expected from a gentlema..."

Two soft popping sounds could be heard and Yoyoma1910's skull got penetrated by two bullets.

The man put away his gun and lights a cigarette. He leaves the scene, shaking his head in disbelief.


***

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Efese-Hadrianus.jpg

The temple of Hadrianus - 3.00 am

It was hot that night. Very hot. And thus, it seemed unnatural to have an ice cold wind suddenly blowing over the Ancient site of Ephesus.

Some woke up because of the cold. It seemed to come from the Hadrianus temple.

Others meant they could hear words being whispered by the wind.

"You will die... You will all die... Die..."

One moment, the ice cold wind and the whispering was there, the other moment, it was gone.

Many a tourist felt a shiver going down their spine.


***

The Scourge of Ephesus - Day 8
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Efes-GateofAugustus.jpg

The gate of Augustus - 8.00 am

The tourists gathered near the gate of Augustus.

The old man looked around. Only 9 of them were left. He started to shake.

The aggressive tourist pointed his gun at the old man.

"Why are you shaking? Afraid to die?"

The man shrugged and put away the gun again.

Some other tourists walked to the ancient gate. They were carrying the body of Yoyoma1910.

"Dead, bullets in the head." one of them said, stating the obvious.

The tourists stared at each other.

"Guess we'll have to vote again?" one of them asked.

The others nodded.

It would be a very hot day today...


***


Alive (9)

boudica
GeneralHankerchief
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
YLC
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
Glyphz
Seamus Fermanagh

Killed (10) :

777Ares777
TheFlax
White_Eyes :D
Reenk Roink
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC
woad&fangs
shlin28
El Diablo
Yoyoma1910

Lynched (7) :

TinCow
Tevashzat
FactionHeir
Jolt
Sigurd
seireikhaan
CountArach

WoG/Suicide (4):
Rythmic
Ignoramus
Tiberius of the Drake
Caius

It's now day. You can start voting. Day will last for +/- 24 hours.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I blocked Seamus and YLC. Didn't let anyone know. Only one kill attempt tonight. I trust Seamus. You do the math.

Vote: YLC

-edit- Feedback PM:


You wake up Seamus and YLC. You take them both to the secret corridor.

You started to tell them about Ancient Rome and the history of Turkey. You add a few ancient jokes, but alas, again, you seem to bore them.

They both fall asleep.

Andres.

[Yoyoma1910]

See, I was innocent.


Anyone want pizza?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I was put to sleep by Mr. Boring again. Nothing esle of note happened.

No time to analyze now, but I want to review the patterns of GH's protections and the number of kills. One of TinCow's posts addressed this, and I'll update it and review.

[Yoyoma1910]

Does anyone else think that all the statements about cold might point to Lord Winter?

[TinCow]

GH is misleading you again by claiming that YLC is the obvious result of a missing kill. There is one other option: CountArach. He was lynched yesterday, and that lynching would also reduce the kills by 1 if he was mafioso. There is a significant difference in the Day 6 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2111464&postcount=642) and Day 7 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2113374&postcount=727) write-ups that suggest that this is true.

Starting on Day 6, an "aggressive tourist" took over the responsibilities for the lynchings. This seems very much like a mafioso to me. On Day 6, the "aggressive tourist" was totally heartless and very brutal in the lynching:


"Oh come on now, please shut up!" a tourist who was becoming aggressive said and he punched seireikhaan in the face, breaking his nose and jaw.

seireikhaan was on the ground, trying to get at his feet again, when the aggressive tourist kicked him in the stomach.

"O tempora, O mores!" the old man said, all of the sudden. In his hands he held the silenced gun. "Let us do this the civilised way." His hands shaking he pointed the gun at seireikhaan and fired a shot.

Tiberius of the Drake, who had been sleeping, like he had done for, well about roughly 200 hours, woke up, made a silent "Huh?" sound, looked at the hole in his chest and died instantly.

"You idiot!" the aggressive tourist said. He slapped the old man in the face, grabbed the gun out of his hands and pointed it at seireikhaan. Two popping sounds and a few seconds later, seireikhaan dropped dead on the sand of the Odeion, surrounded by his own blood and brains.

Definitely looks like a remorseless killer offing a townie to me. However, on Day 7 the same "aggressive tourist" shows up again and is actually very kind to CountArach:


“Ok, ok, enough of this already,” an aggressive tourist said and he grabbed the gun out of Caius’ hands.

“You there,” he said, pointing the gun at CountArach. "It seems like you have the most votes."

CountArach looked very pale and his voice trembled when he said: “So it seems indeed.”

“Any last wish?” the aggressive tourist said.

“Well, I really love that local liquor they have here,” Rakı”. And I would also love to hear that popular Turkish singer one more time. What’s his name… Tarkan!”

“You really like that rubbish song?”

CountArach shrugged.

“Oh well then,” the aggressive tourist said and he took his mp3-player and gave it to CountArach.

Another tourist gave him a bottle of Rakı.

CountArach took the bottle, drank from it and pushed the play button of the mp3 player.

At the tones of Tarkan he continued emptying the bottle of Rakı.

He hardly noticed how the aggressive tourist pointed the gun at him and ended his life with a single bullet in the back of his head.

Looks to me like a mafioso killing his lynched partner in a relatively kind manner. My bet is that CountArach is the missing mafioso, not YLC, and once again we have GH misleading the town. Out of fairness to GH, though, I will note that he is clearly not the aggressive tourist.

[GeneralHankerchief]

N7 there were four actions. There was the Seamus thing, which I will still maintain was a block but remains ambiguous. There was El Diablo's death. And then there was the Mexican standoff.

Tonight, there were two actions. We don't even know if the icy wind means anything either.

Even if you make the argument that the Mexican standoff was one action, and not two, it still doesn't account for the second drop in a night action.

[TinCow]

No, there was a single drop. On N7 there were three actions:
1) Seamus
2) El Diablo
3) What you call the Mexican Standoff, which I contend is a mafioso failing (probably a second time) in an attack on someone else who can defend themselves well.

On N8 there were two actions:
1) Yoyoma1910.
2) Whatever that ghost is doing - this is the same thing that attacked Seamus

There is only one missing action and it is a mafioso.

[GeneralHankerchief]

That's one out of four possible options. The other three - which are just as likely to be right as the one you suggest - all account for more than one drop in activity.

[TinCow]

I'm content letting the town decide which of us has the better theory.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, think about for a moment. If that wind thing was a night action, that means somebody had to send it into Andres. If they did, here's what the PM probably looked like:


Hi Andres,

For Night 8 I'd like to summon an ominous wind to blow around the town saying that we will all die.

Thanks!

Absurd? Yes. Foreshadowing by the host considering we're in the endgame? More likely.

[TinCow]

It was active investigating or otherwise doing something strange, such as we have seen in previous nights. This is no different that the actions before when the hysterical man was running around screaming and breaking things, not always at the same time. That stuff was added for a reason, not just color, and this is no different. Andres has been dropping serious clues the entire game in his write-ups. The odds of him abandoning that now are low.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Please tell me how a wind signifies in any way a specific player action. In the past, Andres's similar bits have been related to a single person; hysterical screaming, a letter being dropped, somebody smashing statues, etc. They were the doings of a person. This was done by nature. I've used weather imagery all the time in my games to describe the state of the town.

[Yoyoma1910]

Weather has been a constant companion to the write ups in this game, whether it is the Temperature or wind...

[Beefy187]

Good now we got more lynching opportunities left.

Assuming GH is innocent, And the two who were blocked were not able to move, heres the suspect.

boudica
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
Glyphz

One of us 6 is a mafia

There should be 4 killers if who ever had the magnum is a killer and who ever is doing the super natural is also. Assuming that CA was a mafia, which reduced to 3, and 2 more amongst GH, YLC, Seamus.

Did I do the math right?

[TinCow]

The ice cold supernatural thing was the thing that attacked Seamus:


A sudden forecast at Ephesus had darkened the moon and the star constellations making the ancient city dark as the tomb of Saint John.

Seamus had felt uneasy all day as if something evil was brewing in the general area of the ruin city, and had taken to wander amongst the ancient attractions. He finally found himself at the tomb of Saint John. Seamus had since childhood been sensitive to spiritual things and he finally found some peace here at the grave of the apostle.

The clouds dispersed briefly and the moonlight bathed the tomb area in an eerie light. A sudden fright pricked the heart of Seamus as he saw the resemblance of a faint being leaning at one of the pillars. The moon was swallowed by the clouds again and Seamus felt the hair on his neck stand out. He croaked: “W..wh..o are y..you?” The darkness surrounding him gave no answer and the peaceful feeling he had had was replaced by a heavy sense of hatred. The darkness closed around him and he felt as if the darkness wanted to crush him. “What do you want with me?” he screamed to the darkness. It was but a faint croak that slipped past his lips which somehow felt frozen. Yes…. The temperature had fallen and he was shivering. Then something slapped against his face. At first just a faint physical stroke as if a feather was pulled across his face, then harder and harder until it bloodied his nose.

He still couldn’t hear anything. Even the night creatures were silent. Then a faint sound came from nowhere in particular. It grew louder and louder until he could clearly hear that it was laughter. The laugher was wild and unrestrained like a madman’s.

When it finally stopped, a voice boomed out: “ There are just a few more things I would like to try out”. A piercing pain gripped around Seamus’ heart and he slumped to the ground in agony. The pain was unbearable and he was about to surrender his soul to the grave when suddenly it passed, leaving him panting on the marble that gave floor to the tomb.

The moon cleared the sky again and Seamus could see a clear outline of a man standing above him. The face was terrible to look at and the smile of the creature was twisted and it gnashed its teeth when it talked. “I have a mission, dear Seamus and I must leave you be. Talk of this to no-one, or I will be forced to come and see you again”. The eyes of the being started to glow in an eerie reddish color. And when the moon went behind the clouds, only the red eyes were visible in the darkness. The evil presence disappeared when the eyes blinked out and Seamus was left lying next to the tomb stone which read: ST. JEAN IN MEZARI. What was that being and what would befall the tourists here at Ephesus?”

Allthough it seemed like he just imagined his nose bleeding and apparently nothing had happened to him, Seamus was
afraid, very afraid.

It is not being mentioned again as a coincidence. Last night it succeeded in doing something to Seamus, and tonight it did something, or attempted to do something, that did not involve attacking someone.

[GeneralHankerchief]

and tonight it did something

It blew around.

There was no mention of it doing anything specific. I still say weather imagery.

[TinCow]

You want to buy a bridge?

[Yoyoma1910]

What about the cigar and the cigarette?


The man who killed last night smoked a cigarette.

The man who didn't kill last night smoked a cigar after his kill.

[Beefy187]

Ignored.. :sweatdrop:

Thats it, im going off to Yahoo sports!!

[GeneralHankerchief]

YLC, you've posted in a ton of other Gameroom threads the past couple of hours but not here.

-edit-
Last Activity: Today 20:27
Current Activity: Private Messaging

Care to share?

[ULC]

You want me to defend myself?

[GeneralHankerchief]

That would be helpful for the town to base their decision off of, yes.

I'd also like to know who you were PMing.

-edit-
Last Activity: Today 20:37
Current Activity: Private Messaging

Right after he checks the thread. Nice.

-edit 2- Okay, never mind with the PM thing.

[White_eyes:D]

That would be helpful for the town to base their decision off of, yes.

I'd also like to know who you were PMing.

-edit-
Last Activity: Today 20:37
Current Activity: Private Messaging

Right after he checks the thread. Nice.

Wow.....YLC seems busted:dizzy2:.....*note to self, turn on invisible mode.....*

[GeneralHankerchief]

Nah, he's legitimately PMing for another reason. I think.

[ULC]

No, I flatly refuse to defend myself in anyway shape or form. I have nothing to defend myself with except TC own logic and reasoning, and for you that will not be enough - instead you will continue to hammer whichever point you wish home in some desperate attempt to shift votes my way, even though on the night you DID block me there were still a full set of kills - very weak GH.

And I was speaking to Beefy about Noble Sons 2 - divine whatever you wish from my activity, as you well know in the middle of the day there really is no point. Plus, check your own PM box for the bloody evidence, since I sent you everything Beefy and I discussed.

[Beefy187]

No, I flatly refuse to defend myself in anyway shape or form. I have nothing to defend myself with except TC own logic and reasoning, and for you that will not be enough - instead you will continue to hammer whichever point you wish home in some desperate attempt to shift votes my way, even though on the night you DID block me there were still a full set of kills - very weak GH.

And I was speaking to Beefy about Noble Sons 2 - divine whatever you wish from my activity, as you well know in the middle of the day there really is no point. Plus, check your own PM box for the bloody evidence, since I sent you everything Beefy and I discussed.

This is true. I can testify.

[White_eyes:D]

Well he hosting another game I think......:juggle2: but the fact does remained that one kill has stopped.....is he your Prime suspect or do you have another one???:book:

[Beefy187]

However, I will be voting for YLC as there was less kills last night. Just waiting for his defense first.

[GeneralHankerchief]

All right, let's think. Over the past two nights there were four possible combinations:

Scenario 1: N7, there were three actions submitted: Whatever happened to Seamus, ED's death, and a failed attack. N8, there were two: Yoyoma's death and the wind. This is what TC believes. Now, he also is of the opinion that CA was scum, although this isn't certain. If you believe this entirely, than CA's lynch accounts for the one drop in kills, and that means I'm probably screwed.

Scenario 2: N7, there were three actions submitted. N8, there was one: Yoyoma's death. The wind was just Andres adding in some color (what I believe). In this case, there was a two-action drop between nights, and my blocking of YLC accounts for one of them. Thus, YLC should be looked in to.

Scenario 3: N7, there were four actions submitted, with the fourth being a kill order that ended up cancelling out another one, resulting in the Mexican standoff. This is my theory, although I'm more certain about the wind thing than this one (in this scenario, the wind thing was an actual order). In either case, there's still a two-action drop and YLC is in trouble.

Scenario 4: Four actions in N7, one in N8. With a three-action drop, YLC is almost certainly guilty.

In three out of the four scenarios, YLC looks like he's in trouble. In addition, even in the fourth, we don't even know if CA was guilty or not. He could have been innocent and the one-action drop be accounted for by my blocking of YLC. Probability is on the side of YLC being scum.

[Chaotix]

Alright, here we go again. I am not going to be posting another huge defense post for ATPG to read and then rip to shreds no matter what it contains. If he wants a huge defense post for "lurking" and being unhelpful, which is really just being busy and not having unlimited amounts of time to post huge analyses while trying to keep up with the game, then he can look back a few pages and find it. I very much sympathize with Yoyoma, here, as he was more active than me and accused in the same way.

Honestly, ATPG is usually very good in mafia games, but if he wants to criticize my "unhelpfulness", then he should stop limiting his accusations to what essentially boils down to "you don't agree with my logic so you must be scum".
If he finds anything else to throw at me besides what Seamus has already mentioned, I will be happy to respond, providing I have the time to do so.

I am going to Vote: GH now, as his charade has gone on for long enough, and the evidence has been presented against him in such a way that I find it odd more people aren't voting for him. As I said before I voted seireikhaan on the night he was lynched, in the case where two players accuse each other with large, long-winded posts, and it is not revealed outright in the write-up who is mafia, both of them should probably be lynched, as the probability is one of them is mafia.

[Beefy187]

The tourists gathered near the gate of Augustus.

The old man looked around. Only 9 of them were left. He started to shake.

The aggressive tourist pointed his gun at the old man.

"Why are you shaking? Afraid to die?"

The man shrugged and put away the gun again.

Some other tourists walked to the ancient gate. They were carrying the body of Yoyoma1910.

"Dead, bullets in the head." one of them said, stating the obvious.

The tourists stared at each other.

"Guess we'll have to vote again?" one of them asked.

The others nodded.

It would be a very hot day today...


***



If the write ups are pure (not amended by the hands of mafia) then it means, either Old man is tired (his old alright), shaking from fear, or shaking from anger of tourists death, or shaking because his excited that they are dead.

"Why are you shaking?Afraid to die?"

The man shrugged and put away the gun again.

This two lines are rather fishy. The aggressive tourist asked the old man, pointing the gun at him. Shrugging was done by this aggressive tourist yes? I don't think this is a clue, but I just thought its weird.

[CountArach]

If the write ups are pure (not amended by the hands of mafia) then it means, either Old man is tired (his old alright), shaking from fear, or shaking from anger of tourists death, or shaking because his excited that they are dead.
The write-ups feel like the way Andres writes everything. I also doubt the mafia has that much control over other characters.

[White_eyes:D]

Beefy's right,:yes: the Old man would fit the MO of Bernade....(compete Psychopath excited by death:inquisitive:)

[Beefy187]

Not sure. The write up can be taken both ways. However as it can be taken more of a positive way, ill go bet for none obvious. That old man is a serial killa.

Though, thats what I bet. I still won't vote for GH.

[seireikhaan]

No, I flatly refuse to defend myself in anyway shape or form. I have nothing to defend myself with except TC own logic and reasoning, and for you that will not be enough - instead you will continue to hammer whichever point you wish home in some desperate attempt to shift votes my way, even though on the night you DID block me there were still a full set of kills - very weak GH.

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Beefy187]

No, I flatly refuse to defend myself in anyway shape or form. I have nothing to defend myself with except TC own logic and reasoning, and for you that will not be enough - instead you will continue to hammer whichever point you wish home in some desperate attempt to shift votes my way, even though on the night you DID block me there were still a full set of kills - very weak GH.


Ok I missed that bit. I won't be voting YLC for now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

All right, time to play my trump card. I've been holding on to this one for a long time.

I've been playing Mafia for over two and a half years now on the .Org. In that time, I've played a lot of games, and had a lot of roles, with a lot of different overall outcomes. I've been mafia-killed, serial-killed, vig-killed, killed then brought back by host error, first killed, final killed, lynched as mafioso, survived as mafioso, survived as townie.

But, in all my time on the .Org, I have never been lynched as a pro-town player in a Large game. Ever.

Oh sure, I've come close more times than I can count. But I've always clawed through it, escaping the lynch and then either falling off the radar or killed. The hammer has never come down upon me.

I realized this little bit of trivia quite a while ago, probably sometime in 2007. I realized that, for whatever reason, I always escaped the noose as a townie or an aligned role. I figured that sometime down the line I'd bring this up when the chips were down and the votes on me were piling up, and hopefully people would realize the significance of me finally divulging this secret and unvoting me. God knows I've been tempted over the years - Midgard (I think both of them), Chicago Soiree, heck, even Capo II, but I always ended up keeping my cards to my chest.

Well, no longer. The votes on me are in. The chips are down. And I'm playing my hand.

Guys, I know the evidence against me looks bad. Every time somebody points out something else in the Andres writeups that seems to point to my guilt I cringe. Every time somebody asks me a question that I desperately wish I could answer but I can't, I cringe. I realize that there have been a steady drumbeat of posts calling for my lynch for almost a week, game-time, now, a drumbeat that has recently picked up into a crescendo. Heaven knows if the roles were reversed, I'd be screaming for my head too.

I don't have a defense to many of your accusations. I truly wish I did, but I don't. And I do realize how truly scummy I must look to you. But, I say to you here and now, that I am pro-town.

I know this may go against every single instinct in your body, every single unbreakable truth this game has ever taught you, but you guys need to trust me. I am on your side.

If any of you guys haven't totally lost your souls to the complete loss of belief in the goodness of mankind that this game provides, you need to trust me. If any of you guys have ever experienced in your lives the feeling when every single person around you has laughed at you and mocked you for being wrong about something, but you knew in your heart of hearts that you were right, you need to trust me. If any of you guys have ever enjoyed playing with me or in one of my games even one measly iota... you need to trust me on this. I am innocent. I am pro-town. I am nothing more than I have ever claimed to be. I know nothing more than I ever claimed to know. I swear this to be true.

If the game ends and it turns out I'm lying, feel free to ostracize me. Never believe me about anything again. Ban me from your games. Heck, Andres, ban me from the entire Gameroom. But you won't have to do that. Because I am telling the truth.

I am on your side. I am probably about to be lynched. And I firmly believe that my lynching will result in the loss of the entire game for the town. And I really want to win this one.

I have just divulged my deepest Gameroom secret for the sake of a town victory in this game. You guys just need to trust me on this.

[seireikhaan]

Bah. I've known about that little streak for a long time.

[Chaotix]

That's a lot to bet on there, GH. But do you honestly think anyone will try to kick you out of the gameroom for lying in a game about concealing lies?

While you sound really earnest, and I would love to believe you right now, this is one of those times where the whole mafia game is hanging in the balance- and I know myself to have been gullible enough to believe someone and lost a game for it.

If you can provide a really solid case for YLC, or whoever you really believe is the mafia, then I will take my vote off you and support your vote. And then, if it turns out you are wrong, or perhaps lying, and then another townie is lynched, and then at least one more killed by the mafia, I'm going to have to lead the next lynch on you for it.

[GeneralHankerchief]

That's a lot to bet on there, GH. But do you honestly think anyone will try to kick you out of the gameroom for lying in a game about concealing lies?

While you sound really earnest, and I would love to believe you right now, this is one of those times where the whole mafia game is hanging in the balance- and I know myself to have been gullible enough to believe someone and lost a game for it.

I know, I have too. And it stings. You kick yourself for days.


If you can provide a really solid case for YLC, or whoever you really believe is the mafia, then I will take my vote off you and support your vote. And then, if it turns out you are wrong, or perhaps lying, and then another townie is lynched, and then at least one more killed by the mafia, I'm going to have to lead the next lynch on you for it.

My case against YLC is twofold: First, there is an extremely good chance that not all the drops in the night actions between yesterday and today can be accounted for by CA's lynch. Since my blocking of YLC was the only other variable, I have to look at him.

Secondly, there was the little PM exchange we had that I posted a couple of pages back in which he tried to influence who I blocked. I found this consistent with his risk-taking personality that I know from LotR.

Now, he's mentioned there being a ton of kills that night when I first blocked him a while ago. And truth be told, it may be an ironclad defense. But I'm waiting for Seamus's analysis on that aspect of the game.

Finally, even if we lynch YLC and he's guilty, the game will still continue on. The cigarette killer struck again last night, meaning that he is not YLC. Now, I will try to block him, or at the very least prevent him from killing anyone, but this game is far from over.

[seireikhaan]

Alright... Time to pull the ace, I guess...

So, do you guys remembering me launching some kind of tirade against GH, trying to get him lynched because I found all these reasons for his guiltiness? Well...

By this point, I feel kinda bad. The whole thing was an act. Pure and simple. I never intended to actually get GH lynched. So, let's get down to business, folks. We got one kill. Seamus and YLC were blocked. YLC clearly has no interest in defending himself because he knows people will just use it as a reason to attack him, much like he did to me. Hence, I believe he is innocent, as I was. Seamus, however, cannot be crossed off in my mind totally.

What I find interesting is the departure of the shovel-men. Why did they stop appearing? The cold wind... That, I believe, is a host gimmick to let the town know we're getting very close to the end. I personally take this as meaning there is, in some form or another, two allied mafioso left. This could mean there is still the potential, one way or another, for two kills after this lynch, meaning we very well may only have 2 lynches left. In other words, we really need to make this one count.

My suspicion is... Boudica.

Reason? Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2108766#post2108766). 3rd on the bandwagon. Ridiculuous? Not quite- my first game in mafia, when I was a scum, I got caught red handed by the very thing. Additionally, reasoning is quite poor. Suicides are inherently bad for the town- a scum won't do it, hence suicides just thin out town numbers unnecessarily. Boudica's a smart gal, and has, I believe, read a few games prior to this one. This was unexcusably poor reasoning for a bandwagon. Further, Seamus makes a good case here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2110809&postcount=611) against her.

My second suspect... Chaotix. Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2111102#post2111102) he blatantly ignores the ridiculousness of voting for a man who leaves his fate to a coin flip, admits I made a good argument against GH, but accuses me of not "defending myself". I proceed to point out the obvious once more, and despite 6 hours passing, Chaotix does not change his vote, nor even make a post. Maybe he wasn't online, maybe he was, but either way its now impossible to know because he hid. Instead of confronting truth when it took but one "unvote" to stop my absurd lynch, he wasn't there to hear my response to his "challenge". Why do you challenge a person when you won't even acknowledge they made a response to it? Or how about after my lynch when killings continued? Nope... just headed onwards with the game and ignored the previous absurdity.

Actually, you know what... Make Chaotix number one, and Boudica number two. I urge the town to examine Chaotix as the man on the grassy knoll.

[Chaotix]

Oh, I just know I am going to regret this, now...

You sound too earnest for me to disbelieve you here. Perhaps I am just too gullible, perhaps you are too good of a liar, and perhaps both are true but you're telling the truth anyway. The logic is sound here, we're just shady on the facts...

In any case, I will Unvote: GH and Vote: YLC.

This is either the biggest mistake or the best decision of the game so far. (Or my vote won't be the deciding one at all :tongue:)
If town loses, they know they can blame me, then, at least.

EDIT:
To seireikhaan: First off, I apologize for not being there to hear your response- probably sounding like a broken record here, but I've been very busy. Nevertheless, I doubt I would have changed my vote. Plus, why single me out when there were two others who could have unvoted, too, but didn't?
Second, you just admitted your whole accusation was a farce. What, pray tell, was the point of it, then? Seamus and TinCow as well have even built on it to form a stronger case against GH. If you mix facts into your plausible lies, people tend to believe everything.

As for boudica, I definitely also find it odd that she's active in Chicago Soiree but completely inactive here

[Seamus Fermanagh]

You know, S'khaan, your summary got me to thinking again. Both of them jangled me, but of the two it was Chaotix I've been drifting back to in my thoughts.

Vote: Chaotix27


I believe that the entire game hinges on GH. His role is a unique power focus. I am reasonably sure he is NOT mafia -- but I have many jitters about whether or not he is pro-town, or in it for his own supernatural reasons.

[ULC]

Oh, GH, such a wonderful monologue (that I didn't bother to read). I can't say whether or not that is OOC of you, but to assume I am a risktaker is something else all together - I am serendipitously gifted in my unknowing ability to be calculating, doing things that set a series of events into motion I do not foresee but play in my favor. That's not taking a risk, that's just being blind. Be truthful next time :wink:

Chaotix, may I ask why you just suddenly jumped on me? You concur with SK, but in defiance of him suggesting I am innocent, you instead vote for me? Why, pray tell, so interested in living? I really don't care whether I live or die, it's the thrill of the game that keeps me playing - what keeps you playing?

Hmmmm...I am sorry, but I will vote:abstain, until I can hear further from TC on the current matter. The more I can see different sides of the argument, the more inclined I will be to actually vote - and please, actually argue the facts, not with each other.

[Reenk Roink]

All right, time to play my trump card. I've been holding on to this one for a long time.

I've been playing Mafia for over two and a half years now on the .Org. In that time, I've played a lot of games, and had a lot of roles, with a lot of different overall outcomes. I've been mafia-killed, serial-killed, vig-killed, killed then brought back by host error, first killed, final killed, lynched as mafioso, survived as mafioso, survived as townie.

But, in all my time on the .Org, I have never been lynched as a pro-town player in a Large game. Ever.

Oh sure, I've come close more times than I can count. But I've always clawed through it, escaping the lynch and then either falling off the radar or killed. The hammer has never come down upon me.

I realized this little bit of trivia quite a while ago, probably sometime in 2007. I realized that, for whatever reason, I always escaped the noose as a townie or an aligned role. I figured that sometime down the line I'd bring this up when the chips were down and the votes on me were piling up, and hopefully people would realize the significance of me finally divulging this secret and unvoting me. God knows I've been tempted over the years - Midgard (I think both of them), Chicago Soiree, heck, even Capo II, but I always ended up keeping my cards to my chest.

Well, no longer. The votes on me are in. The chips are down. And I'm playing my hand.

Guys, I know the evidence against me looks bad. Every time somebody points out something else in the Andres writeups that seems to point to my guilt I cringe. Every time somebody asks me a question that I desperately wish I could answer but I can't, I cringe. I realize that there have been a steady drumbeat of posts calling for my lynch for almost a week, game-time, now, a drumbeat that has recently picked up into a crescendo. Heaven knows if the roles were reversed, I'd be screaming for my head too.

I don't have a defense to many of your accusations. I truly wish I did, but I don't. And I do realize how truly scummy I must look to you. But, I say to you here and now, that I am pro-town.

I know this may go against every single instinct in your body, every single unbreakable truth this game has ever taught you, but you guys need to trust me. I am on your side.

If any of you guys haven't totally lost your souls to the complete loss of belief in the goodness of mankind that this game provides, you need to trust me. If any of you guys have ever experienced in your lives the feeling when every single person around you has laughed at you and mocked you for being wrong about something, but you knew in your heart of hearts that you were right, you need to trust me. If any of you guys have ever enjoyed playing with me or in one of my games even one measly iota... you need to trust me on this. I am innocent. I am pro-town. I am nothing more than I have ever claimed to be. I know nothing more than I ever claimed to know. I swear this to be true.

If the game ends and it turns out I'm lying, feel free to ostracize me. Never believe me about anything again. Ban me from your games. Heck, Andres, ban me from the entire Gameroom. But you won't have to do that. Because I am telling the truth.

I am on your side. I am probably about to be lynched. And I firmly believe that my lynching will result in the loss of the entire game for the town. And I really want to win this one.

I have just divulged my deepest Gameroom secret for the sake of a town victory in this game. You guys just need to trust me on this.

:laugh4:

[ULC]

:laugh4:

Thats how I felt too Reenkmiester, but I want to hear from TC first.

[seireikhaan]

Oh, GH, such a wonderful monologue (that I didn't bother to read). I can't say whether or not that is OOC of you, but to assume I am a risktaker is something else all together - I am serendipitously gifted in my unknowing ability to be calculating, doing things that set a series of events into motion I do not foresee but play in my favor. That's not taking a risk, that's just being blind. Be truthful next time :wink:

Chaotix, may I ask why you just suddenly jumped on me? You concur with SK, but in defiance of him suggesting I am innocent, you instead vote for me? Why, pray tell, so interested in living? I really don't care whether I live or die, it's the thrill of the game that keeps me playing - what keeps you playing?

Hmmmm...I am sorry, but I will vote:abstain, until I can hear further from TC on the current matter. The more I can see different sides of the argument, the more inclined I will be to actually vote - and please, actually argue the facts, not with each other.
So wait... you want people to argue facts but not with each other, yet you don't read the posts...?:inquisitive:

[ULC]

So wait... you want people to argue facts but not with each other, yet you don't read the posts...?:inquisitive:

I read everything but GH's monologue, which I skimmed. And yes, argue the facts, as in the evidence and theories, do not argue against the person directing it - their is a difference. All to often I see a person's questions avoided and the person themselves attacked, which really doesn't seem to produce anything IMHO.

[seireikhaan]

I read everything but GH's monologue, which I skimmed. And yes, argue the facts, as in the evidence and theories, do not argue against the person directing it - their is a difference. All to often I see a person's questions avoided and the person themselves attacked, which really doesn't seem to produce anything IMHO.
So please tell me. You declared you wouldn't defend yourself. How on earth could we argue any point to get you lynched if you refuse to argue the points we make against you? :inquisitive:

[ULC]

So please tell me. You declared you wouldn't defend yourself. How on earth could we argue any point to get you lynched if you refuse to argue the points we make against you? :inquisitive:

:inquisitive:

I am sorry, I am running on minimum right now, and my sleep deprivation may be seriously impairing my judgment.

Why would you argue with me? Obviously, I won't respond to it, so thus you would argue amongst yourselves as to my guilt? Is not really up to everyone else, if I wish to step out, to decide my fate? I am removing myself as a variable, that is all, and removing myself does not remove the argument for or against me.

That is how I see it currently.

[Reenk Roink]

I guess this must be said though:

By coming this far GH has ensured himself an incredible performance, no matter what he is and no matter what the outcome. I'd say it is the best player performance this year so far already.

If he is Mafia then it's simply amazing that he was able to reveal a fake pro town role and then stay alive. It's been what, 8 rounds now, and it may come up to 11+. Kudos for choosing to reveal as a non detective for plausibility of why you were not killed, the PM's were well faked, and though some may point to the townies not lynching, it takes a Mafia of great strategy and tactics to gauge the town and it's behavior and push their buttons to lead them to what you want them to do. If you win, well and good, if you lose, it's still one of the finest performances ever (winning and losing matter little much in my judgments, it's how you play the game).

If he is really pro-town then you have done the thing that I think about the most when playing Mafia. It is the situation which intrigues me most about this game. Striking the balance between not appearing too innocent (so as to be Mafia kill bait) or too guilty (so as to be lynched). While to me, you crossed the line into too guilty, obviously I am completely insignificant and your audience of the current town and current Mafia you have got in your palms.

So I must say this Mr. Hurricane

:bow:

[boudica]

You know, S'khaan, your summary got me to thinking again. Both of them jangled me, but of the two it was Chaotix I've been drifting back to in my thoughts.

Vote: Chaotix27


I believe that the entire game hinges on GH. His role is a unique power focus. I am reasonably sure he is NOT mafia -- but I have many jitters about whether or not he is pro-town, or in it for his own supernatural reasons.

@Chaotix - I have been just as active on this thread as I have in Chicago - ie. equally poor contributions in both.

@Khaan - I have to agree that your assesment of me as a bit green is accurate enough. I think there have been so many options for twists in this game that most of the detailed analysis has taken a leap of imaginary faith at some point.

The only thing I feel fairly sure of is GH's innocence. That has nothing to do with his 'trump' pulling, and everything to do with his behaviour throughout the game. (I may not have contributed much, but at least I've actually read everything YLC ;)

Not having much of a clue what to do, I was going to vote YLC until Chaotix27 made his last few 'mistakes' following Seireikhaans' analysis. You can read it as bandwagonning if you like, but hopefully history will justify it as a good lynch vote:

vote: Chaotix27

[Jolt]

How wierd is it that GH continually continues to survive despite evidence which he cannot disprove (And which is shrugged by the town).

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Since I don't have time to read everything I must Vote: Abstain

I hope that whoever is killed (Chaotix or GH) it will end with this lynch. :yes:

[TinCow]

Hmmmm...I am sorry, but I will vote:abstain, until I can hear further from TC on the current matter. The more I can see different sides of the argument, the more inclined I will be to actually vote - and please, actually argue the facts, not with each other.

Oh, hells. My head (and the majority of the evidence) says GH is guilty, but after that post of his my heart says he's innocent. This is a situation in which I'm truly glad I can't vote. If I absolutely had to choose, I would let him off the hook. If he's innocent and we lynch him after a monologue like that, I would actually feel bad. If he's guilty and wins because of that, most people will never trust him in a mafia game ever again. Between those two choices, I'd prefer for it to be him that suffers rather than me, even if it costs the town the game.

One thing we do know is that even if GH is scum in some fashion, there's at least one more mafioso out there, likely two. He's not the only target. Thus, my advice: find another person to lynch and get it right.

GH: Do me a favor, and don't make a post like that again in any game I'm part of. If you're telling the truth, you're generating a 'foolproof' method of determining your innocence in any game, and that's just not fair.

[Chaotix]

Ah, so now it's me that gets bandwagoned, eh?

I'm voting for YLC because I have chosen to trust GH for this round, and there is at least some evidence against his case. If I were to change my vote, I could not put it on anyone else but GH. If I let him get off another round scot-free, there's no telling how many more lynches he'll avoid. Either he makes the right decision here, or he is responsible for the lynch of another townie, and permanently scum in my mind.

[glyphz]

FoS: Chaotix27, Ibn-Khaldun, Lord Winter

One mafia is always active since day 1. Chaotix27, Ibn-Khaldun, and Lord Winter are the only 3 GH has not blocked.
N1: Killed - Ares
GH blocked: Sigurd and QJC
Lynched: TC
Analysis: Both died N5 when there were 2 kills N6. Mafia intentionally killed one then, IMO.


N2: 2 diggers
GH: TSzat and RR
L: TSzat

N3: WE:D and TheFlax
GH: Seamus and shlin28
L: FH

N4: 2 diggers
GH: Atpg and boudica
L: Jolt
Analysis: The last time they do so. What was the point of it?


N5: QJC and a failed attempt
GH: Sigurd and boudica
L: Sigurd


N6: shlin28 (cigarette) and woad&fang (cigar)
GH: Beefy and YLC
L: 'khaan
Analysis: The 2 mafia were still out there.

N7: El Diablo (cigarette) and failed attempt
GH: Seamus and glyphz
L: CountArach
Analysis: Identity of target unknown... Dead or alive::shrug:

N8: Yoyoma1910 (cigarette)
GH: Seamus and YLC
Analysis: Only 1 identified mafia kill/attempt[/spoil]Only one mafia attempt/kill since way back on N1.
2 theories:

a) YLC is mafia (cigar), another mafia present (cigarette)
b) CountArach was mafia, another mafia present (cigarette)

YLC was blocked N6 when shlin and w&f were killed. This makes b) possible, though YLC isn't off the hook completely.
That's why, Vote: Chaotix27

If this does not end this day phase, then MAJOR FoS at LW and I-K ((and Chaotix, if he isn't lynched this round).


Tally:
Chaotix27 - 3 (Seamus Fermanagh, boudica, glyphz)
YLC - 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Chaotix27)

Abstain: Ibn-Khaldun, YLC

[GeneralHankerchief]

Good, that's what I was hoping for. Unless there's a third mafioso we can leave YLC off for now.

Unvote: YLC
Vote: Chaotix

[TinCow]

Correct Tally:


Chaotix27: (4) Seamus, boudica, glyphz, GH
YLC: (1) Chaotix27

Abstain: (2) YLC, Ibn-Khaldun

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Since I don't have time to read everything I must Vote: Abstain

I hope that whoever is killed (Chaotix or GH) it will end with this lynch. :yes:

You know, this late in a game, your vote is less than "compelling." Couple it with a somewhat cheesy "I hope we get it right" comment, and you do little but draw suspicion to yourself.

I think, Ibn-old chap, that I must dig into your participation a bit more thoroughly.....

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oh, and TC: Don't worry, this is definitely a one-time thing. One of the reasons why I've held off from doing something like that for so long was because I don't want a reputation as a truthteller or a liar either way.

[TinCow]

It appears that the general consensus is to simply bite the bullet and take GH on faith. Whether this is the correct move or not is largely irrelevant now. Let's commit to our stance on him and work through the evidence from there. Thanks to glyphz, we have a nice and easily accessible summary of night actions which allows for a blueprint for declaring who can theoretically be in the known roles.

GeneralHankerchief - Presumed innocent based on the above.

Glyphz - With GH trusted, cannot be the mafia duo, as he was blocked on a night with two attempted hits (N7). Also cannot be the supernatural thing, as he was blocked on the night it attacked Seamus (N7). Thus, cannot be any known role.

Seamus Fermanagh - With GH trusted, cannot be the mafia duo, as he was blocked on a double kill night (N3). Also cannot be the supernatural thing that attacked him, though questionable whether that thing changed his role in some manner (as could occur in the previous game). Thus, cannot be any known role.

boudica - With GH trusted, cannot be the mafia duo, as she was blocked on a night when both were active digging (N4) and on a night when two attempted hits were made (N5). However, could be the supernatural thing.

YLC - With GH trusted, cannot be the mafia duo, as he was blocked on a night with two kills (N6). Also cannot be the guy who destroyed the statue (N6), but could be the supernatural thing.

187Beefyz - With GH trusted, cannot be the mafia duo, as he was blocked on a night with two kills (N6). Also cannot be the guy who destroyed the statue (N6), but could be the supernatural thing.

Lord Winter - Never blocked. However, was well-known to be absent for the first week of the game. This includes N2, when the mafia duo were digging. Thus, cannot be the mafia duo, but could be the supernatural thing.

Chaotix27 - Never blocked, can be mafia duo or supernatural thing.

Ibn-Khaldun - Never blocked, can be mafia duo or supernatural thing.

This leaves us with 6 potential candidates for the supernatural thing and 2 for mafia. Due to these odds alone, concentrating on the 2 mafia contenders is the wisest thing. Deal with the supernatural thing later. More concrete evidence would be useful. I would suggest looking for periods of non-voting for Chaotix27 and Ibn-Khaldun. If one of them did not vote during a period that suggests they might have missed a night order, this could be useful.

Write-up links for those doing research:
Night 1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2101143#post2101143)
Day 1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2102193#post2102193)
Night 2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2102964#post2102964)
Day 2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2103710#post2103710)
Night 3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2104522#post2104522)
Day 3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2105518#post2105518)
Night 4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2106393#post2106393)
Day 4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2107364#post2107364)
Night 5 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2108305#post2108305)
Day 5 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2109003#post2109003)
Night 6 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2110054#post2110054)
Day 6 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2111464#post2111464)
Night 7 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2112513#post2112513)
Day 7 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2113374#post2113374)
Night 8 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2114514#post2114514)

[Andres]

Voting concluded. Stand by for execution.

[Andres]

The Scourge of Ephesus - Day 8 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Efes-GateofAugustus.jpg

The gate of Augustus - 10.00 pm

As predicted, it was a very hot day.

The tourists started to discuss past events. Some made long speeches or endless monologues. People started to make bold statements, with their hand on their heart and swearing by all their beloved ones that they were innocent.

The more the day continued, the more the tourists were convinced that Chaotix27 had to be a murderer.

"But, this isn't true. I came to Turkey because there's a live concert from Sertab Erener. I'm such a big fan of her. Allow me to sing one of her songs and you'll understand that I'm innocent!"

Chaotix27 jumped backwards and started to dance and sing his favourite Sertab song, "Everyway that I can" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3i4S4E7h3I).

:belly: :belly: :belly:

The tourists looked at the spectacle. First slightly amused, but when it became clear that Chaotix27 was not a, well, eh, to put it diplomatic, not a gifted singer, tourists began sticking their fingers in their ears.

The old man, who just got new batteries for his hearing device however, couldn't stand it any longer and began to moan.

The aggressive tourist slapped the old man in the face.

"Ok, ok," enough of this, one of the other tourists said.

A gun was pointed at Chaotix27 and a bullet in his head ended the torment of the gathered townies.

"Let's hope that was the last one of them."

"We can only hope..."

A cold breeze sent shiverings down their spines.


***

Tally

Chaotix27: 4 (Seamus Fermanagh, boudica, glyphz, GeneralHankerchief) :skull:
YLC: 1 Chaotix27

Abstain: 2 YLC, Ibn-Khaldun
Not voting: 2 (187Beefyz, Lord Winter)


Alive (8) :

boudica
GeneralHankerchief
187Beefyz
YLC
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
Glyphz
Seamus Fermanagh

Killed (10) :

777Ares777
TheFlax
White_Eyes :D
Reenk Roink
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC
woad&fangs
shlin28
El Diablo
Yoyoma1910

Lynched (8) :

TinCow
Tevashzat
FactionHeir
Jolt
Sigurd
seireikhaan
CountArach
Chaotix27

WoG/Suicide (4):
Rythmic
Ignoramus
Tiberius of the Drake
Caius

It's now night. PM's please. Night will last for +/- 23h30 (until 22h00 GMT+1)

[ULC]

It appears that we have not killed our "aggressive tourist", meaning who ever replaced Manfredo (bless his somewhat merciful heart), it was not Chaotix. This doesn't absolve Chaotix of any guilt however, because I have noticed a bit of a trend in the lynchings.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Here we see the mafia's greatest mistake. After I revealed, they gambled. They left me alive, banking on the town lynching me, believing that my chances of blocking them didn't make up for my being cleared by innocence. I am still alive. They failed. And now they will feel the walls closing in on them. It's now a numbers game. And, because I am alive and of what I can do, we have the numbers.

Town, thank you for your trust. I intend to reciprocate it tonight. :bow:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

You know, this late in a game, your vote is less than "compelling." Couple it with a somewhat cheesy "I hope we get it right" comment, and you do little but draw suspicion to yourself.

I think, Ibn-old chap, that I must dig into your participation a bit more thoroughly.....

Yes, please dig. I must say that you wouldn't find anything except that I am a townie! :laugh4:

If you wonder why I haven't participated more with long analysis like TC then it is called language-barrier(I'm not a native English speaker). Work also have distracted me a bit(I think you can see when I log in and out or something like that then you can see that I always do that almost in the same time) and some other forums are a bit more important(WotB for example).

Oh, and it's 01:00am at the moment and this means I go to bed soon and that means you will all debate and stuff when I am sleeping!(Thus I can't participate)


Ibn-Khaldun - Never blocked, can be mafia duo or supernatural thing.

Lol.. perhaps a supernatural mafia duo in one person??:laugh4:

And thanks for the write up links! :2thumbsup:

[TinCow]

Here we see the mafia's greatest mistake. After I revealed, they gambled. They left me alive, banking on the town lynching me, believing that my chances of blocking them didn't make up for my being cleared by innocence. I am still alive. They failed. And now they will feel the walls closing in on them. It's now a numbers game. And, because I am alive and of what I can do, we have the numbers.

Town, thank you for your trust. I intend to reciprocate it tonight. :bow:

I must be jaded, because this sounds to me like the kind of stuff I was saying right before the end of Netherworld. :laugh4:

[GeneralHankerchief]

It appears that we have not killed our "aggressive tourist", meaning who ever replaced Manfredo (bless his somewhat merciful heart), it was not Chaotix. This doesn't absolve Chaotix of any guilt however, because I have noticed a bit of a trend in the lynchings.

Not quite. It was said that the aggressive tourist slapped me (again) while Chaotix was singing, but he could have done that and sang as well.

Also, note that it said "a gun was pointed at Chaotix27 and a bullet in his head..." and not "the aggressive tourist shot Chaotix".

[Askthepizzaguy]

How wierd is it that GH continually continues to survive despite evidence which he cannot disprove (And which is shrugged by the town).

I am so burnt out by the chicago game, that I have to take a breather... and so far, only a few people are listening to me anyway.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Town, thank you for your trust. I intend to reciprocate it tonight. :bow:

I bet you will.

[TinCow]

What GH says actually makes a lot of sense. Just like with the death of Sigurd, this one is written in a manner that allows it to be read as if the aggressive tourist was the one who died. In addition, notice the dying man enjoying a Turkish song right before he dies. This is the same as with the death of CountArach, which I have already explained is a possible mafioso lynch. While this could be just colorful narration due to the location of the game, it could also be the signature that Chaotix is a lynched mafioso.

If I had to place a bet, I would say we've lynched the digging duo on two consecutive night. Which then begs the question why the game is still continuing. Is it just the supernatural thing left? Are there other roles I've missed? (Barring scum-GH, which I have not missed, but am choosing to let him stab us in the back if that is his inclination.)

[Ibn-Khaldun]

So we should lynch Seamus?? :idea2:

[Sigurd]

I have been re-examining parts of the game again.

Even though my mind tells me that GH has my trust, my gut is churning.
The Mafia has been reduced, but GH still poses a great threat to them should he continue to block them. Why risk it?
Apparently he only blocks but does not protect (ref. ATPG and Seamus).

The statues thing has me thinking that maybe GH has a split personality.
His sick alter ego hates what his "normal" alter ego likes. The crazy laughter in the night and talking to someone (His other self?).
The destroying of statues by the crazy man, while the old man seems upset about it.
Gollum vs. Sméagol anyone?
I don't know, I am just throwing it out there.

[TinCow]

I agree with you Sigurd, the Jeckyl and Hyde thing occurred to me before. It's possible, and again, all the evidence is on GH. The only reason I'm not going after him anymore is that pleading monologue of his. GH stepped out of the bounds of the game to post that. He broke the fourth wall on the game and asked us to trust GH the person, not GH the mafia player. I have already expressed why I don't like this kind of gameplay, but what's done is done. If GH is mafia, he's essentially taken all the glory out of his win and he'll do permanent harm to his reputation as a mafia player. Thus, I'm fine with leaving him alive for two reason. First, GH doesn't seem like the kind of person who would do that to himself (or to us) just to win a single game. Second, even if he would do that, that stunt would be so out of the bounds of the game that I wouldn't even personally consider it a valid victory. Sure, it'll notch up a +1 on the mafia victories on the forums, but it's not a victory I would mentally attribute to his skill.

[Askthepizzaguy]

*grumbles*


After all the work and lies that he put into the game, a desperate GH would resort to calling on his good name.

That's exactly how I survived in You Can't Win.

I said I always sided with town. Well, what the heck did I do? I sided with the scum Andres and turned the tide of the game with one mafia remaining, when I could have exposed him.


NEVER. TRUST. ANYONE. IN. MAFIA. GAMES.


I'm risking a nearly perfect mafia identifying record on him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have nothing to add in the other games, and I'd like to discuss the other possible suspects besides my number one, GeneralHankerchief.

Is anyone online and willing to talk? GH, I'm willing to talk to you, too.

[GeneralHankerchief]

What's there to talk about, ATPG? You say I'm guilty. I know I'm innocent. The town, for the most part, is following the correct path.

I've got a plan mapped out in my head about how these next couple of rounds go. I'll share it with everybody after the night phase ends.

[Askthepizzaguy]

A bit defensive there, GH. You know full well accusations and adversarial positions are part of the game.

I am humoring you. Who do you think is scummy? You don't have to state a case, just give me one or two people to look at in more detail.

Can you do that for me? Or must we keep fighting, even though we're on the same side?

I'm being a modest man by accepting the idea I am totally wrong about you. So, put me to work. Who should I investigate?

Humor me.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I appreciate your willingness to help, I do. But if I detail any of my suspicions and/or plans before the night phase is over, the mafia might react and try something unexpected to throw us for a loop.

If you really want something to do, hold steady until the writeups are posted. If things go as expected, you should have a name or two to look at.

If you want a head start, just flash me a PM.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Isn't that illegal in this game? Let me check the rules.

If it's not, send me a PM and I'll get started.

How many hours until the next phase? If it's a lot, I will not accept your strategy blindly.

[Askthepizzaguy]

* The dead are allowed to talk in the thread, but cannot communicate about this game outside of the thread.


The Rules. Do not PM me.

I will accept this as an honest mistake, as I have made before.

[GeneralHankerchief]

According to Andres, the round will end at around 16:00 PM EST. That's about 2 and a half hours away.

-edit- Drat. Well, I guess there's nothing left to do but wait a bit.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I thought it was over 4 hours to go until Andres does his writeups?


I'm asking you to chance it and post for me some suspects. Otherwise you will remain my top suspect. There's little time left in the game and I can help you if you are innocent.

I really don't mean to go the stick and carrot route, but you have a lot of scum smell on you, and it's a much better than 50% chance you're guilty. I am playing the minority odds at the moment, but you need to give me something to work with please.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm sorry, but I don't want to take that risk.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Then my accusation against you stands, and I cannot help you.


You are the most scummy suspect here. Although I read people's reasoning for Lord Winter, and it seems plausible, however I get a total townie reading from him using my analyzer.

[Askthepizzaguy]

boudica
GeneralHankerchief
187Beefyz
YLC
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
Glyphz
Seamus Fermanagh

For reference.

I'm going to have to do this the hard way, since you won't help me GH. Analysis begun.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok, starting analysis posts.

1/8, Lord Winter. Top suspect besides GH. Here's my reading:

LORD WINTER:

Nothing page 2
Nothing page 3
Nothing page 4
Tincow defends LW's alibi, post 340
Nothing Page 5
Post 420 he accuses me. Scummy.
His reasons for being gone I think were from before he even got a role, and I do not believe Andres would intentionally let a scum lurk like that.
444 begins analysis.
"My guess for the kill rate differences is the Mafia has some sort of investigation power that they can use as an alternative for killing."
Interesting theory.

Woad and Fangs, post 457
"Lord Winter- basically confirmed innocent because of inactivity. No idea why the scum let him live"

Accuses Beefy. 462. flimsy reasoning perhaps.

Excuses post 533. Abstains. Lurks page 7.

Quick accusation on flimsy evidence, 583.
Quick explanation 602. I'm not satisfied.
Accuses GH though... interesting.

Unvotes, votes GH 624.
Unvotes again 627, this time going back to Ibn.
Not adding much to the discussion except doubts and accusations.

"We almost need more bandwaggoning. That lynch shouldn't have happened with only two votes." first to post at night time 643.

Follower post 679/ offers no substantive reasoning of his own.
Votes CA. Blatant bandwagoner. Questions night writeups.

Post 706 Yoyoma indicates Lord Winter may have two vital clues against him. Ingenious. (apologies, yoyoma for being hasty earlier)

Lord winter was responsible for CountArach's death, shared with Ibn and glyphz.

nothing page 10.

Glyphz accuses everyone who voted for CA's death except himself, and goes after Lord winter, post 854.

TinCow points out Lord Winter was never blocked.

There is a strong case to be made against Lord Winter, upon further analysis. But I really question why Andres would stick up for a lurker mafia for so long?

I don't think he's contributed enough, and he is far too quick to bandwagon.

I say, on further review, he is about 75% guilty. There's too much scummy there for comfort. And the Mafia should have killed him by now for being such a lurker... they hate that.



Do you have anything to add to that, GH?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Again, not commenting on anything until the night writeups are posted.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Right, right. After all, you're potential scum, and I doubt we only have one of those left.

We could have only one lynch left. So I will do this without you, thanks very much. :bow:


No hard feelings, GH. :bow:

[GeneralHankerchief]

None taken, don't worry. :yes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok. GH, get ready for me to swallow my pride and apologize.

If it's not...

"too late to apologize.... it's too late.... yeah it's too late to apologize.... YEAHHHHH"


IBN KHALDUN

Votes Caius without a reason, 122. First day vote, thats acceptible.

Quickpost with smiley 125.

Nothing page 3.

Votes tevashszat without a reason. Shady character. 277.

Quickpost, adds nothing really: 279
Gah! Post 301. Things aren't adding up;
"Gah! Just when I thought that I could change my vote! :shame: "

Nothing else page 4

Blatant bandwagon on Seireikhaan. That's 3 bad, reasonless votes.
341

Quickpost with smiley 348.

More or less useless promissory post 351
Another Gah! post... sort of an exercise in futility 385.

By page 6 I am smelling scum.

Votes Shlin 476... again, without a case.
Unvotes, votes Jolt instead. Blatant bandwagonner
(479)

Bloody hands: against Jolt, and all votes so far have been bad.

quickposts with smileys 485

quickpost. 487
Unvotes jolt, abstains. Probably to make himself look less scummy, as he was sticking his neck WAYYYY out there.

Votes yoyoma, no reason given, 540

Says he doesnt need to explain himself 553.

I DISAGREE.
Doom and gloom: "if you lynch me you will lynch another townie"

Starts yapping more... 568.
Long analysis, at last.

Chaotix voted Ibn.

Votes yoyoma again 581. No reason.

Defensive. 584. No defense offered. POOR LOGIC.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2110515&postcount=584
Read this post carefully.

586, terrible post.

QJC points out how bad he's been. 587.

Defensive, 590.

Lord Winter votes Ibn. 627

Votes CA without a reason. 697. No further analysis given. Lurking again. Only shows up to accuse others and defend himself, doesn't converse with many people.

Deciding vote on CA.

Defense: I followed Tincow's analysis. Blatant bandwagoner.

EXCUSE POST 851.
Abstain after all those suspects you've thrown out there? SCUMBAG

Tincow doesnt seem to be detecting Ibn.

"Yes, please dig. I must say that you wouldn't find anything except that I am a townie!" Post 864.

I strongly disagree.

870:
"So we should lynch Seamus? :idea: "

How about we lynch you, Ibn?


Closer examine on Ibn-Khaldun reveals he is the mafia we are looking for.


Looking for further suspects....

[White_eyes:D]

No, GH reference? I find it hard to believe that the Mafia your looking for would not throw suspicion towards GH...:inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Glyphz is next up. He's got some bloody hands, but otherwise he smells very rosy and level headed.

Very, very skilled mafia if he is one. Usually the mafia make more mistakes than this.

Glyphz

Votes FH post 157
quickpost with smiley 159

Nothing page 3

Votes Tevash, no reason given. 289.
Tally.
Quickpost with smiley 292, 294

Part of the TevashSzat bandwagon. Hands slightly bloody now.

Votes YLC 362, although YLC does stink a bit.
Level headed, post 366
Tally 398

Nothing page 6

Votes abstain, tallys.

Votes seireikhaan 523

Quickpost with smiley 527, 535. Questions YLC again.

Paying attention, adding to the discussion. Defends Boudica, and I believe Boudica is innocent due to inactivity. Plusses for Glyphz.
618

Appreciates Tincow 694, votes CA without a good reason methinks.

Suspect of GH, as he should be. 712.
Part of CA bandwagon... bloodied hands twice. Nothing else page 10.

Good FOS'es 854.
Analysis of patterns, long, post 854

Part of Chaotix bandwagon. Got some splainin' to do, Glyphz... bloody hands. Are you town or mafia?


Analysis: 60% Townie.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Beefy:

At best, he's a bad townie who won't be here to participate. I have STRONG doubts about him.

Beefy

Quickpost with smiley (QWS) 84
"random" votes me 108
quickpost 114
quickpost 161
QWS 221
Adds nothing to the discussion page 3

Votes me again... "randomly"
scummy.
Nothing really page 4

Throws hands up in defeat too soon, post 321

Says he will do option 3, asks for time.

Not sure his analysis 329 and 330 is worth anything at all.

Defends YLC 333.

Page 6: excuse post 412
Argues we have nothing we can go on, 414

"Actually... I didn't know that. This suggest that I have to read write ups more carefully" post 500

Trusts GH. 517. I think he's ingratiating himself to you guys.

"Leave the lurkers alone till they speak.
Just let them be wogged." 595
Interesting, Beefy. I usually agree. Is your mafia partner a lurker?

597, votes seireikhaan and fos' chaotix. Both turn out to be bad moves, methinks. Flimsy reasoning given.

Post 599:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2110707&postcount=599
This sounds very odd to me.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2110720&postcount=601
How is this post helpful?

Defends GH again, 614'

Excuse post 658, 662
post with smileys 662

Defends GH again, 732, with a joke.

Highly defensive reaction to my accuse of him: post 741.
Read his defense again.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2113852&postcount=741

"Shush you.. I needed something to counter him
Ill go read what actually happened now."

Jokes, but nothing to solve the case.

"Well.. I have my letter of will written way back in night 4 so I'm ready to go. For the sake of the town, I really really hope I get killed rather then lynch."

Me too. You are being used as a scapegoat if you're town. But you aren't being helpful.

Excuses, excuses post 748
I finger his behavior as bad post 749.

Defends GH for no reason 752.
I dont buy his defense post 754

DOOM AND GLOOM post 756. Scummy. I expect better from Beefy.

In response to post 758:
Beefy, I disagree. Are you nervously arguing with me?

Defends himself with WIFOM argument 761

Excuses, excuses post 765

Wrongly assumes GH is innocent without proof. This is bad or sloppy townie behavior. Post 811

Excuse post with smiley 816
quickpost 823. CONTRIBUTE MORE, BEEFY

"will be voting YLC" 825. Ok.

Gives brief and almost inconsequential analysis of a writeup, 828

refuses to vote for GH. 831
Now decides not to vote YLC.

Analysis: 80% scum

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Closer examine on Ibn-Khaldun reveals he is the mafia we are looking for.

:laugh4:

Well.. I am not a mafia. Since GH posted his role PM then can I do the same?

And the reason I voted for CA was TC's long long post against him. Actually, I don't have to defend myself. At the moment ATPG will just make it easier for mafia to accuse me and get that bandwagoning part going.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Boudica:

She seems to have a good alibi, and while I disagree with her votes so far... She is pulling off a stunning performance if she is mafia.

The data is the same, but I wasn't looking at it clearly enough.

Boudica:

Non-vote post. 101
page 3:

Votes Jolt 163, understandable. Posts tally
Tally 269, nothing else page 4
Votes; FH 343
Demands lurkers come out 369
Bloody hands: Jolt, FactionHeir
A bit too obvious, 423... townie tell? She's got some gumption if not.
Quick contributory post, 464. Acceptable.

Quickpost with smiley, taunts another dead townie, 503
She was "blocked" twice by now.

Votes: SK for odd reasons 542

Bloody hands: Jolt, FactionHeir, and Seireikhaan... attempted.

Defensive 620, but not by a lot.

Abstains 698... interesting. Would have expected more from a mafia.

Largely inactive in several games by now.
Votes Chaotix. Bloodier hands now.


Only thing I have against her is that she's killed a lot of townies via lynch. But that alone does not make someone mafia. A lot of combined factors do.

Analysis: 75% town

[Askthepizzaguy]

:laugh4:

Well.. I am not a mafia. Since GH posted his role PM then can I do the same?

And the reason I voted for CA was TC's long long post against him. Actually, I don't have to defend myself. At the moment ATPG will just make it easier for mafia to accuse me and get that bandwagoning part going.

Don't bother.

Scummy reveals this late in the game, after being accused, are well over 50% mafia tells.

If you have a role, I advise you to keep it to yourself.

Due to the evidence against you, your best bet is to not vote anymore, unless you have a STELLAR defense.

But that's my advice. Do as you wish.

[TinCow]

In re: role revealing. If you're going to get lynched and you're not claiming a townie role, revealing certainly can't hurt you (well, assuming you don't post a mafia role PM). I personally love to see public role reveals. The more info that is posted publicly, the better the town's chances, even if that info might be fake. In this game, we're also down to a very small number of scum left. If you think you can ID one of them by revealing, it's probably worth it even if it gets you killed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Seamus Fermanagh:

Total Townie. I stake my reputation on it.

Seamus Fermanagh

Abstains round 1 160
Joins Tevash bandwagon, but ties it up. Thats not really scummy. 174
Talks to Reenk, but doesnt attempt to manipulate town.
Helpful townie: 324

Likes the ATPG-GH argument. Scum, or town?

Abstains. 390
Confirms GH's story
Nothing page 6
Not much page 7, 505
Votes boudica, strong reasoning, even if she's innocent. 611

Asks for explains from Chaotix using post per page system. 661

Contributes to discussion 666
(evil number, nice man)
Votes Chaotix 672
Abstains instead 693

Corroborates GH's story 737
Blocked again by GH 800

Vote: chaotix 840
857, nothing scummy here.


100% townie.

He advocates for GeneralHankerchief, and if GH is scum at this point... wow have I been duped.


I no longer suspect GH 100%. At best, 50%.


Seamus is Townie.



EDIT: Tincow is right. Post your lies/truths, Ibn-Khaldun.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd like to offer my sincere public apologies to GH.

You deserve to win if you're mafia at this point. The scums do seem to be leaving you alive as lynchbait, and I trust Seamus' opinion of you.


Only one left is YLC. Soon it will be up.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Have You checked those posts made before mine that could have make me Vote the way I voted?
Most of the times it's so because GH or TC have pointed out that that person could be mafia.
So you are saying that both of them are terrible with their analyzes??
And that Abstain vote was because I had to go to work and I did not had time to read all those new posts in this thread. I think I explained that also but You must have conveniently missed that?
And that 'So we should lynch Seamus??' post came after TC posted this:

What GH says actually makes a lot of sense. Just like with the death of Sigurd, this one is written in a manner that allows it to be read as if the aggressive tourist was the one who died. In addition, notice the dying man enjoying a Turkish song right before he dies. This is the same as with the death of CountArach, which I have already explained is a possible mafioso lynch. While this could be just colorful narration due to the location of the game, it could also be the signature that Chaotix is a lynched mafioso.

If I had to place a bet, I would say we've lynched the digging duo on two consecutive night. Which then begs the question why the game is still continuing. Is it just the supernatural thing left? Are there other roles I've missed? (Barring scum-GH, which I have not missed, but am choosing to let him stab us in the back if that is his inclination.)
I assumed that just like TC had said before perhaps Seamus was recruited by the mafia and thus I suggested lynching him.

And my role pm from Andres:


Townie

You are one of the tourists.

During the day, you have to vote for the person you think is guilty. The person with the most votes, will be lynched.

When all mafiosi and other bad guys are lynched or killed, you win the game.

Good luck:2thumbsup:

Andres.

[GeneralHankerchief]

That's an odd-looking double quote there :inquisitive:

-edit- In case IK edits the above, "Andres" and "Ephesus" are misspelled in his titles.

[White_eyes:D]

Andrres he spelled the hosts name wrong in the double-quoted pm....does it mean it is faked?

[Askthepizzaguy]

YLC

YLC_

Vote:CA, OMGUS vote. 112
WIFOM 115.
Acceptable post, 119
Good defense 128
Goes after Reenk after his oddness, 130
Super aggressive... 133. Occam's razor suggests this is townie behavior, not WIFOM.
questions Reenk with a good question: 135
Inquisitor: 138
keeps up the discussion 140
LOL: 143
Good posts rest of page.
vote: tevash 178
Bold defense: 182

Good discussion: page 3

Too aggressive to be mafia, occam's razor suggests: 245.

Good play if mafia. Surely fools me.

247, more of the same. He's an inquisitor like me

Part of Tevash bandwagon...
Paying attention, page 5

LOL prefers I'd be dead... 408. Scummy, but typical YLC

Pretending to be a killer 410. Mafia keeping him alive because of that.

Finds me suspicious... scummy, but typical YLC.

Mafia is trying to frame YLC, or he's got big fat cojones and WIFOM with post number 507:

"GAH! When will it end? Why do I so accurately guess who is going to die each night? I say you to the mafia, and the Vig/SK - stop trying to frame me, I'm not your shield! If I say I want Sigurd dead tonight, what are you going to do? If I say Boudica, what will you do?

*breathes* I see the win in front of me, and oh how bitter does it taste..."

Contributes page 7
Part of Sigurd lynch... unfortunately. Bad YLC.

Votes for Tiberius... odd that you'd vote vor WOGbait, but it's a legitimate pressure tactic... soo..... 594

Inquisitive: 604
Aggressive: 606
Accusatory: 608

Sticks his neck out there a LOT: YLC page 8

Blocked by GH
Bandwagons CA, unfortunately...

Aggressive under fire: 721
believeable excuse: 723

Helpful: 750
Refuses to defend himself; 822

Blatantly acts like YLC and refuses to read GH's post. HAHAHAHA

If YLC is scum, he has freaking SOLD it like nothing I've ever seen before. I choose to reward his inquisition, his boldness, and his characteristic "himselfness" with trust.

Although he has bloody hands, he has been bold and helpful and prosecutorial and the mafia would have good reason to keep him alive as lynch bait.


I will not fall for it. Stellar performance, if mafia. You deserve people having faith in you after all that.


Analysis: 30% mafia.

Best performance I've ever seen. Kudos for the large cajones. You were yourself and you never backed down.


You have your suspects.

[GeneralHankerchief]

he spelled the hosts name wrong in the double-quoted pm....does it mean it is faked?

I have an idea. We'll see if I'm right in less than an hour, assuming Andres is on time.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

GH.. since YOU did not received this pm then YOU can not decide whether it is real or not. You can only speculate.

I think he forwarded this message to ALL the townies so I would like someone else who were townie to confirm this.

Edit: And it is quoted twice only because I couldn't quote the title of that pm.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Agreed GH, but I needed investigate EVERYONE's dirty laundry.

You yourself have been badgered enough by everyone in the game, including me. And I found some dirty laundry. Let's see who is barking when the next writeup comes.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It's not the message I'm interested in, it's the fact that you have Andres and, bizarrely, "The Scourge of Ephesus" misspelled in the title.

"The Scourge of Ephesus" was in the subject line for the PMs, not the title. It boggles my mind how it got in a title.

[Askthepizzaguy]

GH.. since YOU did not received this pm then YOU can not decide whether it is real or not. You can only speculate.

I think he forwarded this message to ALL the townies so I would like someone else who were townie to confirm this.

Ibn, in most of these games now, the host provides a mafia with the townie PM so they can do what you just did.

And I am guessing it was revealed earlier somewhere, too, but I am burnt out and I cant be bothered to go look.


Your reveal proves nothing, your votes and actions and reasoning speaks VOLUMES.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

It's not the message I'm interested in, it's the fact that you have Andres and, bizarrely, "The Scourge of Ephesus" misspelled in the title.

"The Scourge of Ephesus" was in the subject line for the PMs, not the title. It boggles my mind how it got in a title.

So?? :inquisitive:

You got pm that was meant personally for you. I got message that was for all townies(at least I think so because it makes no sense to write the same old message to more than 25 people!)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I also find it interesting that you're online during this night phase, not contributing positively, and invisible.

Not proof, but definitley odd.

[GeneralHankerchief]

And how do you explain Andres's misspelled name?

It's not like he changed his username to "Andrres", sent out the PM, and then changed it back.

[White_eyes:D]

So?? :inquisitive:

You got pm that was meant personally for you. I got message that was for all townies(at least I think so because it makes no sense to write the same old message to more than 25 people!)

I must say....you just messed up if you tried to fake it misspelling the hosts name and the title of the game....Andres doesn't make mistakes like that.....your own Fake reveal is your downfall:laugh4::laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I only have two suspects, really. There's Beefy, who is supposedly not here, and Ibn-Khaldun, who is nearly 100% mafia and is here, active but unhelpful as usual, and posting BAD defenses. Then there is lord winter, who, due to the clues, should actually be our number two suspect.


Ibn-Khaldun
187Beefyz
Lord Winter


But dont you think someone trying to finger Lord Winter would put such obvious clues in after him?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Ibn, in most of these games now, the host provides a mafia with the townie PM so they can do what you just did.

And I should know this because... ??? :inquisitive:

In how many mafia games I have been?? This is second one.

In your Simpson mafia game I was a townie. Did I participate there a lot?? Can't remember that I did.
And when was it?? Quite awhile ago!!

And this is my second one and suddenly I should know ALL the things that have been done in the previous mafia games??? Gah!!

If that makes me a bad mafia game player because I don't read ALL those previous game threads then.. I really don't know why I joined this one!
Wait .. now I remember why I joined.. Andres promised cookies!!

Edit: White_eyes:D .. so you did not get that message??? Anyway.. that is the original message that I got.

[GeneralHankerchief]

*notes that IK has once again ignored the "Andrres" question*

[Askthepizzaguy]

And I should know this because... ??? :inquisitive:

1. In how many mafia games I have been?? This is second one.

2. In your Simpson mafia game I was a townie. Did I participate there a lot?? Can't remember that I did.
And when was it?? Quite awhile ago!!

3. And this is my second one and suddenly I should know ALL the things that have been done in the previous mafia games??? Gah!!

4. If that makes me a bad mafia game player because I don't read ALL those previous game threads then.. I really don't know why I joined this one!
Wait .. now I remember why I joined.. Andres promised cookies!!

1. Why is this a defense?

2. Why is this a defense?

3. Your noobishness is actually why your bad townie/blatant mafia behavior is so easy to read. Veteran players would read more like 75% mafia or lower if they are really good.

4. To have fun?




You lose, Ibn. Please do not vote.

EDIT: actually go ahead and vote. I want to see who you want dead.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

*notes that IK has once again ignored the "Andrres" question*

Should I give you my password so you could check that PM out???:inquisitive:


4. To have fun?

Most likely.


You lose, Ibn. Please do not vote.

Since vigilante killed you then you must of been more scummier than me.
Actually, no wonder you were killed if you go after people without any evidence!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Nice, you still didn't answer me. :beam:

So you claim that what you quoted is EXACTLY how the PM was sent? Andres's misspelled name and all?

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is hilarious, Ibn. Please continue.


I want to hear your defense.

[White_eyes:D]

Nice, you still didn't answer me. :beam:

So you claim that what you quoted is EXACTLY how the PM was sent? Andres's misspelled name and all?

No kidding.....it take 2 months to change your name back....and if you were just qutoeing a role PM sent by the host....then his name should not have been wrong...because then your saying you got a Role-PM from "Andrres" rather then "Andres":whip:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Nice, you still didn't answer me. :beam:

So you claim that what you quoted is EXACTLY how the PM was sent? Andres's misspelled name and all?

Think I just said that before?? :inquisitive:

Oh yes.. I did here:


And my role pm from Andres:

EDIT: Gah! Wait.. GH .. are you referring to this:

Originally Posted by Andrres
I just made a spelling error here. But that Ehpesus thing was in that pm.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're not giving me a very convincing case.

I am about to start hardcore prosecuting you.

[GeneralHankerchief]

No no no, instead of your PM looking like this:


You are a mafioso.

BTW, here's the townie PM:

[...]

It looked like this:


You are a mafioso.

BTW, here's the townie PM:

[...]

...with "Andres" in the TITLE misspelled.

Which means you misspelled it yourself when posting it here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok. GH, get ready for me to swallow my pride and apologize.

If it's not...

"too late to apologize.... it's too late.... yeah it's too late to apologize.... YEAHHHHH"


IBN KHALDUN

Votes Caius without a reason, 122. First day vote, thats acceptible.

Quickpost with smiley 125.

Nothing page 3.

Votes tevashszat without a reason. Shady character. 277.

Quickpost, adds nothing really: 279
Gah! Post 301. Things aren't adding up;
"Gah! Just when I thought that I could change my vote! :shame: "

Nothing else page 4

Blatant bandwagon on Seireikhaan. That's 3 bad, reasonless votes.
341

Quickpost with smiley 348.

More or less useless promissory post 351
Another Gah! post... sort of an exercise in futility 385.

By page 6 I am smelling scum.

Votes Shlin 476... again, without a case.
Unvotes, votes Jolt instead. Blatant bandwagonner
(479)

Bloody hands: against Jolt, and all votes so far have been bad.

quickposts with smileys 485

quickpost. 487
Unvotes jolt, abstains. Probably to make himself look less scummy, as he was sticking his neck WAYYYY out there.

Votes yoyoma, no reason given, 540

Says he doesnt need to explain himself 553.

I DISAGREE.
Doom and gloom: "if you lynch me you will lynch another townie"

Starts yapping more... 568.
Long analysis, at last.

Chaotix voted Ibn.

Votes yoyoma again 581. No reason.

Defensive. 584. No defense offered. POOR LOGIC.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2110515&postcount=584
Read this post carefully.

586, terrible post.

QJC points out how bad he's been. 587.

Defensive, 590.

Lord Winter votes Ibn. 627

Votes CA without a reason. 697. No further analysis given. Lurking again. Only shows up to accuse others and defend himself, doesn't converse with many people.

Deciding vote on CA.

Defense: I followed Tincow's analysis. Blatant bandwagoner.

EXCUSE POST 851.
Abstain after all those suspects you've thrown out there? SCUMBAG

Tincow doesnt seem to be detecting Ibn.

"Yes, please dig. I must say that you wouldn't find anything except that I am a townie!" Post 864.

I strongly disagree.

870:
"So we should lynch Seamus? :idea: "

How about we lynch you, Ibn?


Closer examine on Ibn-Khaldun reveals he is the mafia we are looking for.


Looking for further suspects....

1. "Blatant bandwagon on Seireikhaan. That's 3 bad, reasonless votes."

from my opening statement against you. Why have you bandwagoned all game against people who turned out to be innocent? Why are your hands so dirty? Why don't you put some thought into your votes?


I'll ask these one at a time so you can give an honest try.

[Askthepizzaguy]

2. "Votes CA without a reason. 697. No further analysis given. Lurking again. Only shows up to accuse others and defend himself, doesn't converse with many people."

You did lurk much of this game, only showing up to add to the lynch tally, voting for any number of people and following bandwagons, all for your own survival.

Do you deny any of this?

Why when you voted and accused people, did you give few, if any, reasons?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'll wait for a living townie to confirm the misspelling of "Ephesus".

-edit- although FWIW, it was perfectly spelled in my subject line and the second part, instead of saying "Role PM", said "The Guide".

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Why when you voted and accused people, did you give few, if any, reasons?

Well.. TC and GH gave me reasons.


I'll wait for a living townie to confirm the misspelling of "Ephesus".

And if no one confirms then I know that everyone else are mafia!:beam:

[TinCow]

Uh, yeah, that's a fake role PM. I won't even bother with the formating from the QUOTE= lines. Instead, there's an even better way to spot the fake. On the second to last line, Ibn's PM says:


Good luck:2thumbsup:

The real PM (as posted by Andres here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2100766&postcount=55)) shows the line as:


Good luck :2thumbsup:

If you can't tell, Ibn's is missing a space between the words and the smiley. While I am dead and cannot comment on my own role PM, anyone with a townie role PM should be able to verify whether that space is in theirs or not. There is no way for that space to be missed if the role PM was quoted. PMs can be quoted in their entirety, but quotes in threads cannot. Thus, in order to copy a post from a thread, one has to copy and paste it and then add the editing back in. Thus, because of the missing space, Ibn copied and pasted his role PM, he did not get it directly from a quote. Yet, he felt the need to add all the bolding back in and put something in the QUOTE= line. The only reason to do this is to make it look like it was quoted in the first place.

Copy and pasted role PM + intentional effort to make it look like it was quoted = scum

Don't con a conman.

[Askthepizzaguy]

(laughs like a raving maniac...)

:laugh4:


Snagged you in my poke' ball.

Ibn-Khaldun, I CHOOSE YOU!!!!

:charge:

[GeneralHankerchief]

And bam. Nice work, everybody. :2thumbsup:

I think at this point it's safe for me to say now that one of my two blocks this night was IK.

[White_eyes:D]

Yep, his townie PM is 100% taken from the therad.....
Townie

You are one of the tourists.

During the day, you have to vote for the person you think is guilty. The person with the most votes, will be lynched.

When all mafiosi and other bad guys are lynched or killed, you win the game.

Good luck

Andres.:2thumbsup:
Can you spot the errors??:grin2:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Uh, yeah, that's a fake role PM. I won't even bother with the formating from the QUOTE= lines. Instead, there's an even better way to spot the fake. On the second to last line, Ibn's PM says:



The real PM (as posted by Andres here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2100766&postcount=55)) shows the line as:



If you can't tell, Ibn's is missing a space between the words and the smiley. While I am dead and cannot comment on my own role PM, anyone with a townie role PM should be able to verify whether that space is in theirs or not. There is no way for that space to be missed if the role PM was quoted. PMs can be quoted in their entirety, but quotes in threads cannot. Thus, in order to copy a post from a thread, one has to copy and paste it and then add the editing back in. Thus, because of the missing space, Ibn copied and pasted his role PM, he did not get it directly from a quote. Yet, he felt the need to add all the bolding back in and put something in the QUOTE= line. The only reason to do this is to make it look like it was quoted in the first place.

Copy and pasted role PM + intentional effort to make it look like it was quoted = scum

Don't con a conman.

If that is a fake pm then from where did I got the exact message of the Townie pm??

[GeneralHankerchief]

From the thread. :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

:bow:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Oh I just give up!

Edit: Who posted that pm in this thread and where? Unlike you I don't go through this thread to look something 'scummy' or 'weird'.

[Andres]

The Scourge of Ephesus – Night 9 – Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Ephesusbynight.jpg

The Ancient City of Ephesus – 0.00 am

***

The wind was blowing in the ancient city of Ephesus. The wind was an old friend to the city and they had been companions for centuries. Ancient gnarled trees, bent over by decades of exposure to the natural forces, moved with creaking noises in the ruins.

GeneralHankerchief was moving along the ancient site.

GeneralHankerchief was wary as he walked; looking up and down the path to see if anyone was following or watching him. For some reason, he felt very uncomfortable that night.

He felt the urge to hurry up.

He was almost at his destination, when suddenly a pain shot through his heart. He slumped down and felt as the world came crashing down.

“No! Not now, I can’t be having a heart attack now.”

The pain disappeared as fast as it came, and GeneralHankerchief was able to get up from sand. A faint laughter was heard and his heart started beating faster. He looked up and down, left and right, but saw no-one. This was getting creepy. He’d better get going.

A sudden cold enveloped GeneralHankerchief and he started shivering. What on earth was going on? The light from the stars seemed to dim and all of the sudden, they were extinguished.

In the dark he heard a maniacal laughter. He was getting really nervous now. A pair of glowing red eyes appeared a few feet from GeneralHankerchief's faceand an inhuman voice boomed:

“Hello GeneralHankerchief, I hear you are telling stories.” GeneralHankerchief slumped to his knees and turned his eyes away from the red glowing eyes hanging in the air. Despair washed over him and the mere presence of this creature, gave him immense fright.

“I shall not undo you. I have a message for you”. The booming voice changed to a whisper that appeared to be inches from his ear.

“Get rid of the woman!”

The booming voice echoed: “Do as I tell you and the tourists will survive. Do nothing and the forces that besiege the city will prevail”.

As sudden as the creature appeared it was gone leaving. GeneralHankerchief crouching on the floor in a fetus position.


***

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Efese-theater.jpg
The theater – 1.30 am

187Beefyz was in the theater, watching the stars and the moon.

With a sigh, he walked to the stone benches and sat down. It was still very hot that night, but a cool breeze brought refreshment.

“I hope there will be no more killings tonight,” he said to himself. “I want to go back home. I’ve had enough of this.”

He looked around him and tried to imagine how it had been in this place, so many centuries ago.

“There are far worse places to die,” a man sitting behind 187Beefyz said.

187Beefyz quickly turned and watched the man.

“Oh, it is you,” he said, friendly as always. “Well, there may be truth in that statement, but I’m too young to die. Allthough I agree with you that this is a beautiful place, I prefer to stay alive, if you don’t mind.”

“No, I wouldn’t mind,” the man said, “but sometimes, a man’s got to do what a man’s got to do.”

187Beefyz stared at the man, not really understanding what he was trying to say. His eyes widened when he saw the man holding a .44 Magnum.

“But…”

“There are far worse places to die, my friend.”

One shot from the mighty gun ended 187Beefyz’ life.

The man stood up and calmly left the scene.


***

The Scourge of Ephesus - Day 9.

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Artemis.jpg

Near the last statue of Artemis - 8.00 am


The tourists gathered near the last statue of Artemis.

They watched the remnants of the two other statues.

"Another dead body has been found," one of the tourists said.

"Poor 187Beefyz, he was such a nice guy," a woman said, in tears.

"Yeah."

"It seems like we don't have a choice, but to vote again," the old man said, looking depressed.

"Indeed," another tourist added.

7 were left. 7 looked at each other. Would it be the last day of this drama? They didn't know. The only knew that it would be a very, very hot day.

Again...


***


Alive (7) :

boudica
GeneralHankerchief
YLC
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
Glyphz
Seamus Fermanagh

Killed (11) :

777Ares777
TheFlax
White_Eyes :D
Reenk Roink
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC
woad&fangs
shlin28
El Diablo
Yoyoma1910
187Beefyz

Lynched (8) :

TinCow
Tevashzat
FactionHeir
Jolt
Sigurd
seireikhaan
CountArach
Chaotix27

WoG/Suicide (4):
Rythmic
Ignoramus
Tiberius of the Drake
Caius

It's day. You can start voting. Day will last for +/- 24 hours.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Huh.

I blocked Lord Winter and IK tonight, meaning this would seem to clear IK.

Although considering what the *#%! happened to me, I don't know if this applies.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Townie

You are one of the tourists.

During the day, you have to vote for the person you think is guilty. The person with the most votes, will be lynched.

When all mafiosi and other bad guys are lynched or killed, you win the game.

Good luck

Andres.:2thumbsup:
versus

Townie

You are one of the tourists.

During the day, you have to vote for the person you think is guilty. The person with the most votes, will be lynched.

When all mafiosi and other bad guys are lynched or killed, you win the game.

Good luck

Andres. :2thumbsup:

Plus the spelling error.



Can you explain any of this, or respond to any of my points, or reveal exactly why you behaved the way you did all game?

Defense = nonexistent or shoddy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There was only one murder, though.

And beefy is dead.


That does narrow our suspect list a lot.



I blocked Lord Winter and IK tonight, meaning this would seem to clear IK.

[TinCow]

Well, I think that takes care of that. No dynamic duo kills and proof that GH isn't the supernatural thing. Obviously Ibn-Khaldun is today's lynch, so let's just get that done and start talking about the remaining roles.

Supernatural thing wants us to kill boudica? Why does it hate her? Is she the one that smashed the statues? Did that wake it up? Does that make her the .44 killer?

[ULC]

Alright, I have a partial lynch write up analysis going, but I need to get milk and a few things from the store before it closes. Will be back soon to post it.

I am fairly confident at this point however, that it is RR who is the wind spirit - I will wikipedia anatolian daemon's (from classical greek to turkish) to see what I can come up with.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

versus


Plus the spelling error.



Can you explain any of this, or respond to any of my points, or reveal exactly why you behaved the way you did all game?

Defense = nonexistent or shoddy.

It's called Real Life that kept me from participating more or read all those posts.

[GeneralHankerchief]

...yeah, but I blocked the other two!

And Beefy was shot, not supernaturally screwed with (that would be me). Which means either our suspect is totally off-the-radar or I myself was rendered inactive this round because of the spirit thing.

Still waiting for a PM, BTW. It would also be nice for IK and LW to show theirs to see if I took them to the cave this round.

-edit- ohhhhhhh, the woman could mean boudica. I only thought of what's-her-name, Isabel.

[TinCow]

...yeah, but I blocked the other two!

And Beefy was shot, not supernaturally screwed with (that would be me). Which means either our suspect is totally off-the-radar or I myself was rendered inactive this round because of the spirit thing.

Or, Ibn-Khaldun was the supernatural thing. Perhaps he tried to kill you, but couldn't because you blocked him, but Andres let him simply speak to you, since you two were together at night.

[TinCow]

-edit- ohhhhhhh, the woman could mean boudica. I only thought of what's-her-name, Isabel.

Actually, ignore my mention of boudica. I just noticed that the woman just showed up in the write-up. It's definitely Isabel. IIRC, she's the psychotic one that's obsessed with her uncle or whoever, who is almost certainly dead now. Perhaps she was the one knocking over the statues, what with all the laughter and being psychotic. Thus, the mention of the woman would be a female role, not a female player.

So, looks like we just need to find Isabel and that's probably a win for the town.

[edit]Er... wait. I need to stop posting before I read things through fully. The .44 killer is specifically said to be a man. How many :daisy: roles do we have left?! Male .44 killer, Isabel, and Supernatural thing. Plus GH's Guide? That's 4 out of the 7 people left!

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's called Real Life that kept me from participating more or read all those posts.

Feeble. I'm sorry, my friend. No offense. You gave a good effort, but you do need to be lynched.

[GeneralHankerchief]

At the moment (still without a PM), I'm going to operate on the assumption that because of the spirit's visit to me, I was not able to complete my usual night actions, thus leaving IK free to kill. Any other explanation at this point is going to make my head spin.

Vote: Ibn-Khaldun

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, PM arrived:


You were wandering around the temple of Artemis.

Something appeared and scared the out of you.

"What was that?" you wonder. "It didn't seem... human..."

Be afraid, tourist, be very afraid...


***

After your encounter with the... supernatural thing? Anyway, you get up and hurry.

You wake up Lord Winter and Ibn-Khaldun and take them to the secret hiding spot.

You started to tell them about Ancient Rome and the history of Turkey. Again, adding stories about Emperors and their pets doesn't help.

They both fall asleep.

Andres.

Note the fact that I "hurried" to IK and LW. The last time this happened, I wasn't in time to save ATPG. Thus, (I think) my theory still holds.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay, PM arrived:

Note the fact that I "hurried" to IK and LW. The last time this happened, I wasn't in time to save ATPG. Thus, (I think) my theory still holds.

Your ability may not work at 100% effectiveness.

[GeneralHankerchief]

And why am I a "tourist"?

The last time Andres put something like that in my PM, he specifically said "Be careful, Guide".

Maybe the thing sucked up my powers?

[Sigurd]

I wouldn't walk down the Ibn path just yet.
GH claims he blocked Ibn... why are you continuing to follow pizzaguy in this? You need to find the .44 shooter and lynch him.

Remember... players were killed by the blade master for a reason. Do not forget this in your considerations.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

GH, you want the pm from Andres, right?

Here it is:


An old man wakes you up and takes you with him. He wants to show you something, he says.

He takes you to a secret hiding place and starts talking to you. He tells you several stories. They are boring and you fall asleep.

Andres.

I don't know whether I was allowed to do so, though.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hmmph.

YLC does tend to play the same way no matter what role he has.

Still, very ballsy/impressive.

[GeneralHankerchief]

But I did block YLC last night two nights ago, when there was still a gun kill.

And there was no spirit to get in my way, either.

[TinCow]

I wouldn't walk down the Ibn path just yet.
GH claims he blocked Ibn... why are you continuing to follow pizzaguy in this? You need to find the .44 shooter and lynch him.

Remember... players were killed by the blade master for a reason. Do not forget this in your considerations.

Ibn faked a townie role PM. No reason to do that at this point if he was a pro-town role.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sigurd, you wouldn't happen to be a lynched scumbag trying to fool us, now would you?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Ibn faked a townie role PM. No reason to do that at this point if he was a pro-town role.

There are rules how to quote pm's in mafia games????

Edit: And if there are rules for that then sry for just copy-pasteing that message instead of choosing Respond and then copy-paste it.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Tally:

Ibn-Khaldun: 1 (GH)

[Sigurd]

I am just saying that the focus should be on the fact that there was a kill involving a gun. Not a silenced gun, but a distinct brand. the 44 Magnum. I know I have seen it in a night report earlier.
The Mexican stand off?

Ibn was blocked was he not? Have you received your results GH?
Should we conclude that perhaps GH can't block either? There is a chance that they can still do night activities?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Yeah, I showed the PM a way back.

Judging by the wording, there is a chance that I failed in my blocks (similar to the ATPG post-block PM). Therefore, I'm still going for IK.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

If GH couldn't block us then it must be Lord Winter who is guilty. Easiest thing is to lynch both me and Lord Winter then.

Vote: Lord Winter

[Askthepizzaguy]

If GH couldn't block us then it must be Lord Winter who is guilty. Easiest thing is to lynch both me and Lord Winter then.

Vote: Lord Winter

Uh, I dont think this host does double lynches.

And we should block a couple of people. You pick.... I don't want to even open my mouth after Chicago.


Edit: Stupido, me

[ULC]

A bit of info on our daemonic friend - it did not take long at all to find him.

Lix Tetrax is the demon of the wind, in the Testament of Solomon. Lix is a Greek term relating to the earth, while Tetrax refers to a four-season year. The name has been identified with the Ephesian name connected to the wind found on a tablet from Crete. It is the Howling Whirlwind Demon born of the Great One — causes fever and burning, but if it feels kindly toward you, will refresh you with cool breezes and lead you to refuge.

So Reenk, please feel kindly towards us :wink:.

Or is it GH?

Hmmm....

[Askthepizzaguy]

I trust you guys can finish this one without me. Get the final scumbags...

Make me a happy pizzaguy once more. :shame: Please...




Goes on a long dirt nap...

[Reenk Roink]

A bit of info on our daemonic friend - it did not take long at all to find him.

Lix Tetrax is the demon of the wind, in the Testament of Solomon. Lix is a Greek term relating to the earth, while Tetrax refers to a four-season year. The name has been identified with the Ephesian name connected to the wind found on a tablet from Crete. It is the Howling Whirlwind Demon born of the Great One — causes fever and burning, but if it feels kindly toward you, will refresh you with cool breezes and lead you to refuge.

So Reenk, please feel kindly towards us :wink:.

Or is it GH?

Hmmm....

~:grouphug:

[Sigurd]

I am still sceptical to the Ibn case. You need to find the .44 shooter and lynch him.

[ULC]

Just because you are a a great daemonic spirit, does not mean you are inscrutable Reenk, so stop it :brood:.

[ULC]

I am still sceptical to the Ibn case. You need to find the .44 shooter and lynch him.

:laugh4::laugh4:

Please kindly wait until my analysis for the lynches is done to reserve your judgment Sigurd - I also have a Large game to start, a small game to do the day write up for, a diplomacy game to check on, a LotR PvP battle and story to do, a late AAR that needs done, My CA account to maintain, and an RP at another site to finish up. This does not include work and college, as well as doing the things such as getting my exercise, eating, cleaning the dishes, doing laundry, balancing my account, and helping finish the house I have moved into.

Whats your excuse for inactivity ~;p

[Sigurd]

:laugh4::laugh4:

Please kindly wait until my analysis for the lynches is done to reserve your judgement Sigurd - I also have a Large game to start, a small game to do the day write up for, a diplomacy game to check on, a LotR PvP battle and story to do, a late AAR that needs done, My CA account to maintain, and an RP at another site to finish up. This does not include work and college, as well as doing the things such as getting my exercise, eating, cleaning the dishes, doing laundry, balancing my account, and helping finish the house I have moved into.

Whats your excuse for inactivity ~;p
Consistency with other games... or the fact I was lynched.

[TinCow]

I am still sceptical to the Ibn case. You need to find the .44 shooter and lynch him.

Ibn has a role of some sort (as demonstrated by him faking a townie role PM) and doesn't seem inclined to convince us it's a pro-town role. I agree he can't be the .44 killer because he appears to have been blocked after GH was, ah, talked to. However, that still leaves the supernatural thing and Isabelle. The supernatural thing (hereinafter ST) might be neutral or pro-town, but Isabelle is definitely not.

Time for another summary of who can be what, assuming (*cough*) that GH is legit.

GeneralHankerchief - The Guide and cannot be ST, as he was 'attacked' by it on N9.

Glyphz - Cannot be ST or .44 Magnum killer, as he was blocked by GH on N7, when both appeared.

Seamus Fermanagh - Cannot be ST or .44 Magnum killer, as he was blocked by GH on N7, when both appeared.

Lord Winter - Cannot be .44 Magnum killer, as was blocked by GH on N9. Could be ST, as the nature of the N9 write-up and GH's PM from Andres make it plausible that the ST could have talked to GH despite being one of the blocked.

Ibn-Khaldun - Cannot be .44 Magnum killer, as was blocked by GH on N9. Could be ST, as the nature of the N9 write-up and GH's PM from Andres make it plausible that the ST could have talked to GH despite being one of the blocked.

boudica - Can be ST or .44 Magnum killer.

YLC - Can be ST or .44 Magnum killer.

So, our only options for the .44 are boudica and YLC.

Now, there is some other evidence to point towards. On Night 5 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2108305&postcount=506), we had another one of these 'Mexican Standoffs'. Unlike the other one, the Night 5 write-up doesn't talk about a .44 Magnum. However, if we assume it was the same person, then that clears boudica of being the .44 Magnum killer, as she was blocked by GH that night. So, if you want to go with that assumption, by process of elimination YLC must be the .44 Magnum killer.

[Sigurd]

So, if you want to go with that assumption, by process of elimination YLC must be the .44 Magnum killer.
:2thumbsup:

[GeneralHankerchief]

I still submit that my night actions were nullified tonight because of the ST paying me a visit. Witness the whole "hurry" thing, as similar to the night where I failed to block ATPG.

-edit- IK is definitely scum and should be lynched immediately. The next night I'll just block YLC and we can get him then.

[ULC]

If you guys lynch me, then good for you! I go happily to whatever death awaits me! Wheeeeeee!

[Sigurd]

I still submit that my night actions were nullified tonight because of the ST paying me a visit. Witness the whole "hurry" thing, as similar to the night where I failed to block ATPG.

-edit- IK is definitely scum and should be lynched immediately. The next night I'll just block YLC and we can get him then.
Alright.. I can live with that strategy.

[ULC]

What the heck is the ST?

[GeneralHankerchief]

As we've now coined him, "Supernatural thing".

[Reenk Roink]

That should be by new custom user title. :laugh4:

Also congrats on the Assistant Moderator thing GH. :bow:

[ULC]

The "supernatural thing" is Lix Tetrax, if you bothered to pay attention to what I post. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2116504&postcount=962)

[Sigurd]

That should be by new custom user title. :laugh4:

You know whom to not visit next, right Reenk? :stare: Let the old man do his job.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I was just about to post that, thanks.

[Reenk Roink]

You know whom to not visit next, right Reenk? :stare: Let the old man do his job.

??

GH is Mafia

[GeneralHankerchief]

Seven remain. Taking me out of the equation, there are six:

Glyphz
Seamus Fermanagh
Lord Winter
Ibn-Khaldun
boudica
YLC

Out of the six, I trust Seamus and glyphz totally. They should not be on anyone's lynch list. Before tonight I was a little concerned about Seamus, but now, considering ST's intentions are most likely pro-town, he's back to my 100% trust level. This leaves us with four:

Lord Winter
Ibn-Khaldun
boudica
YLC

I am pressing hard for an Ibn-Khaldun lynch today, with the intent of blocking two of the other three left at night. At first I was thinking of YLC and Lord Winter, although boudica's victory in Chicago Soiree has served as a wake-up call. She is perfectly capable of being mafia.

Eventually I will make my decision on who to block and publicly post it in the thread early on in the night phase. I implore Supernatural thing to perform its action on the one person I leave out. Working at cross-purposes skews my data and is detrimental to the town. Assuming ST functions as a roleblocker, we could essentially nullify any and all anti-town night actions.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: Boudica

Your participation is lacking, especially as we enter the final stages. Your participation in Chicago is, to date, somewhat of an excuse.

How do YOU explain the demon's call for us to take out the femme?

How do YOU explain your continuing lurker approach here. In Chicago you were voting at least...

[glyphz]

Based on the past night write-ups, it does look like YLC has the highest likelihood of being the magnum killer, who was targeted by mafia back in N7.
However, the bigger issue is Ibn-Khaldun's obvious attempt to fake/tamper his rolePM. There is simply no way the sender's name be misspelled. Ibn-K is obviously hiding something, and better deserving of my vote.

Thus, Vote: Ibn-Khaldun

Besides, we should stick to a plan revolving around GH's ability. I suggest town to follow suit.

edit: Based on the past weekends, it's likely participation will be less, unfortunately


Tally:

Ibn-Khaldun: 2 (GeneralHankerchief, glyphz)
Lord Winter: 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
boudica: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Actually, I have a better idea. We'll let the mafia do our work for us.

I'll block Seamus and glyphz, leaving only potential scum as the mafia's targets.

What do you guys think of this instead?

Never mind, forgot this strategy leaves me potentially vulnerable to attack. Better if we just eliminate any chance of any night-kills.

[ULC]

I would be against it - we are leaving ourselves to open if we do as you suggest above. Second, keep your strategy to yourself - talking about it at all might give the mafia a clue about what to do during the night.

[Beefy187]

Thank you town for not lynching me. GH is gone too, but we now have a chance. Let us not repeat the mistakes of Chicago.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I still submit that my night actions were nullified tonight because of the ST paying me a visit. Witness the whole "hurry" thing, as similar to the night where I failed to block ATPG.

-edit- IK is definitely scum and should be lynched immediately. The next night I'll just block YLC and we can get him then.


Based on the past night write-ups, it does look like YLC has the highest likelihood of being the magnum killer, who was targeted by mafia back in N7.
However, the bigger issue is Ibn-Khaldun's obvious attempt to fake/tamper his rolePM. There is simply no way the sender's name be misspelled. Ibn-K is obviously hiding something, and better deserving of my vote.

Thus, Vote: Ibn-Khaldun

Besides, we should stick to a plan revolving around GH's ability. I suggest town to follow suit.

edit: Based on the past weekends, it's likely participation will be less, unfortunately

After you lynch me and there still be a night phase then I will laugh at you. You blame me only because I spelled Andres' name wrongly because of writing too fast. This case against me is even worse than the one made against TC!

And just like I said - I only did a simple copy-paste of that PM and not doing reply>copy-pase. That's why I misspelled his name. But no one haven't explained that 'Ehpesus'. All townies should have got it. If I would've got another role and this 'Townie' PM would've been just an add-on then Andres most likely would've wrote it right.

Anyway.. this thing is getting me a headache and I only come back when this lynch is over and the game still continues.

Please, trust me when I say that I am not mafia. Is that too much to ask?

[shlin28]

Yeah about the townie PM... I looked at my PM from ages ago, and it says Ehpesus!

Methinks Ibn may not be so guilty after all...

[Ibn-Khaldun]

White eyes .. but can you explain why that 'pm' you posted have the same spelling error of Andrres just like in that pm I posted? I think you just did a quick copy-paste just to make me look more guilty. If there is a Townie pm posted before then could you give us a link to it??

And thanks shlin28 for confirming that.

[boudica]

Vote: Boudica

Your participation is lacking, especially as we enter the final stages. Your participation in Chicago is, to date, somewhat of an excuse.

How do YOU explain the demon's call for us to take out the femme?

How do YOU explain your continuing lurker approach here. In Chicago you were voting at least...

I can only apologise for lack of contribution - I'd say my posting in both games have been roughly equal. The other game i was in (until some snake shot me in the gut) was 'You can't win' - given an unexpected RL schedule and clear understanding now that 3 simultaneous games of mafia is too much - you have your 'excuse'.

I'd say the 'demon's call is indeed a hope of ending this madness by lynching Isabelle. I am not Isabelle.

Thanking my fellow townies for their diligent investigation, I'd be happy to add my vote to either Ibn K or YLC this turn, but the magnum evidence seems more important to me than some fake pm mix-up. I'll vote: YLC


tally:
Ibn-Khaldun: 2 (GeneralHankerchief, glyphz)
Lord Winter: 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
boudica: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)
YLC: 1 (boudica)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unvote: Ibn_Khaldun
Vote: boudica

[ULC]

Why did you do that GH? Boudica's vote seemed reasonable enough to me...

[GeneralHankerchief]

A combination of frivolous little factors that would sound really stupid if I post them. Call it a gut feeling.

[Sigurd]

I guess it us up to YLC now... make the final vote on boudica or tie it with another vote and let fate (random) decide.

[glyphz]

I have nothing against following your gut feelings, but, at this stage of the game, I choose to go after more established(?) suspects (based on night action patterns), of which I think has proved effective so far.
I'm left hanging w/ who I suspect the most, and it doesn't look like things will change, so I have to go for the next person I suspect most.
Unvote: Ibn-Khaldun; Vote: YLC

[Andres]

Voting concluded.

Stand by for execution.

[Andres]

The Scourge of Ephesus - Day 9.

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/Artemis.jpg

Near the last statue of Artemis - 9.30 pm


The tourists continued the discussion.

Soon, Ibn-Khaldun found himself in the middle of all attention. He screamed out his innocence. boudica, who had been very quiet, participated in the debate, drawing attention to another suspect.

The day was coming to an end. At the end of the day, some tourists changed their minds. Perhaps the ongoing drama was finally making them completely paranoid...?

boudica and YLC were standing in front of the old man. The old man searched in his pocket and showed an ancient Roman coin. "I've found this one a long time ago. Should have given it to the Turkish authorities a long while ago. Oh well, maybe it was meant to decide our fates..."

He flipped the coin and looked at it.

"It seems like boudica will have to die today."

All eyes were on boudica, who stayed surprisingly calm. Maybe hardened by the past events?

"Well, in the end, we all die eventually."

boudica looked carefully at the 6 others.

Looking at glyphz, boudica said: "Quick and painless please."

glyphz nodded and took the gun boudica offered.

"Good luck," boudica said to glyphz. "You'll need it."

glyphz pointed the gun at boudica. One shot from the mighty gun ended boudica's life mercifully.

glyphz dropped the gun, turned around and left the scene with an emotionless face.

The other tourists seemed confused.

"Let's go to sleep now," the old man said.


***

Tally:

boudica : 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Seamus Fermanagh) :skull:
YLC: 2 (boudica, glyphz)

Lord Winter : 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
Not voting : 2 (Lord Winter, YLC)


Alive (6) :

GeneralHankerchief
YLC
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
Glyphz
Seamus Fermanagh

Killed (11) :

777Ares777
TheFlax
White_Eyes :D
Reenk Roink
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC
woad&fangs
shlin28
El Diablo
Yoyoma1910
187Beefyz

Lynched (9) :

TinCow
Tevashzat
FactionHeir
Jolt
Sigurd
seireikhaan
CountArach
Chaotix27
boudica

WoG/Suicide (4):
Rythmic
Ignoramus
Tiberius of the Drake
Caius

It's now night. PM's please. Night will last for 24 hours.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Tonight I will be blocking Ibn-Khaldun and YLC. I strongly suggest that Supernatural thing perform its action on Lord Winter.

[TinCow]

I still can't shake the Netherworld vibes I'm getting from this game. When things seem to be going well for the town, that's a sure sign that we're all screwed.

[Sigurd]

Ice cold move YLC... Not voting and risking getting lynched. I know I said it is too ballsy for Mafia to play like this.
I am starting to think that maybe Andres put something in the scum PMs. Something along the lines of: If votes on you ties with another, a coin flip will always favour you.

edit: :balloon2: Yay.. post number 1000 :balloon2: