The fight for Inishmore [Concluded]

[Yoyoma1910]

Such byzantine flummery!


Could you all further extrapolate on the germane qualities of the philolgical understandings of the various contributors to this thread?

My cranium is overjoyed by this crapulent smorgasbord of diatribes and dissections.


Definitely leading towards a real sockdolager.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Case in point. That sounds like it's constructed, not natural.

Writing contest: See if you can write something original which meets the standards of the writeup I refer to.

[Yoyoma1910]

Call it WIFOM if you wish, it's just a fact. I could never reproduce the writeup in question, even if I had a thousand monkeys working at a thousand computers until the end of time.


Judging from the results of countless studies on primates, I would have to classify this statement as accurate.

[Askthepizzaguy]

STOP STUDYING ME!!! ~:mecry:

Just because I am a primate, that is no reason to treat me like a laboratory animal.

[Reenk Roink]

Care to actually respond to my critiques of your linking the said writeup with certain posts of mine Atpg?

You seem to be obfuscating the situation here and your recent posts serve only to aggrandize Greyblades' comment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Care to actually respond to my critiques of your linking the said writeup with certain posts of mine Atpg?

Nope! :bounce:

Sorry, buddy, but you "refused to answer my fascist questions." You reap what you sow.


You seem to be obfuscating the situation here and your recent posts serve only to aggrandize Greyblades' comment.

I'm sorry mister Reenk Roink! Please don't 'urt me! Oi promise Oi won't miss the next tax collection sir... hail the English king and all that. I'm afraid I haven't got 'aff a farthing to my name, sir! Eets quoite a problem ween Oi want to buy some bread. But Oim 'appy to eat the scraps from yer table sir! Oi'm your loyal terryer, sir!

If I moight beg yer pardon though sir, woi don't yew respond to moi criticisms befour esspectin' me to respond to yours...

OW!!! Don't 'urt me sir, please, Oi won't speak out 'o turn again, sir.

[Diana Abnoba]

Now, now boys, settle down, we can get the ruler out and measure the length of your... umm... "words", but I think this battle of egos is counterproductive.

[Reenk Roink]

No problem. It is pretty tough to defend the indefensible. Better just joke post reply and hope the issue goes away.

I certainly wouldn't want to defend a case that used five non write up posts, three from one game whose special context was discussed, and two from a non Mafia discussion to justify why the writer of those posts was also the writer of the said write up. After all, the actual write ups of that writer actually argue against the purported link; best not use more relevant examples if they argue against the conclusion.

I certainly wouldn't want to defend a case that used the taunts to Mafia which turned out to be the writer himself as examples of an "upturned nose" attitude and then erroneously conflate and equivocate the two very different things going as far as to take a joke made by the writer that was in retrospect aimed at the writer himself and try to pass it off as "delight[ing] in calling people inept or stupid or otherwise demonstrating his own intelligence at the expense of others when he writes." :no: :rolleyes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

No problem. It is pretty tough to defend the indefensible. Better just joke post reply and hope the issue goes away.

I certainly wouldn't want to defend a case that used five non write up posts, three from one game whose special context was discussed, and two from a non Mafia discussion to justify why the writer of those posts was also the writer of the said write up. After all, the actual write ups of that writer actually argue against the purported link.

I certainly wouldn't want to defend a case that used the taunts to Mafia which turned out to be the writer himself as examples of an "upturned nose" attitude and then erroneously conflate and equivocate the two very different things going as far as to take a joke made by the writer that was in retrospect aimed at the writer himself and trying to pass it off as "delight[ing] in calling people inept or stupid or otherwise demonstrating his own intelligence at the expense of others when he writes." :no: :rolleyes:

If it's so indefensible, why are you attempting to defend yourself? You're just repeating yourself; a common accusation made of me. Why not just joke post reply again and hope the issue goes away?

[Reenk Roink]

If it's so indefensible, why are you attempting to defend yourself? You're just repeating yourself; a common accusation made of me. Why not just joke post reply again and hope the issue goes away?

Because as we have seen before, if someone asserts something, no matter how devoid of any actual plausibility it may be, over and over again, as you do, it may certainly convince others.

Happily, the majority of people remain unconvinced. I am not willing to take any chances though, my survival is critical to my mission in this game.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The point of my last post was that this discussion is pointless, and better left till later rounds if at all.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Because as we have seen before, if someone asserts something, no matter how devoid of any actual plausibility it may be, over and over again, as you do, it may certainly convince others.

Happily, the majority of people remain unconvinced. I am not willing to take any chances though, my survival is critical to my mission in this game.So, why do you insist on responding, then? First it's better to ignore me, then to joke post and hope it goes away, then to state a defense, then to ignore me, then to repeat said defense, then to say there's a reason you have to defend yourself, and then you say it's no big deal, because people aren't listening to me.

Mmmm circular logic.

[Reenk Roink]

White eyes, who has a very colorful and distinct writing style, played games with the analyzers of the text the entire time through GF3. The lesson apparently has been ignored.


So, why do you insist on responding, then? First it's better to ignore me, then to joke post and hope it goes away, then to state a defense, then to ignore me, then to repeat said defense, then to say there's a reason you have to defend yourself, and then you say it's no big deal, because people aren't listening to me.

Mmmm circular logic.

You really have no idea what you are talking about Atpg. You can accuse people of "circular logic" (I fail to see how it is applicable) all you want, it just shows your inability to defend your case.

You also ignored the last statement about taking no chances, but what more do I expect from your pick and choose cases? I have already had the experience with SkyNet... :shame:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I responded to that point already. I'll spare everyone the roll eyes smiley. :bow:

[Reenk Roink]

I responded to that point already. I'll spare everyone the roll eyes smiley. :bow:

Unsatisfactorily.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You really have no idea what you are talking about Atpg. You can accuse people of "circular logic" (I fail to see how it is applicable) all you want, it just shows your inability to defend your case.I don't need to defend my case, I just need to state it. My work is done. And since it will go ignored, I don't see why you're getting so defensive.


You also ignored the last statement about taking no chances, but what more do I expect from your pick and choose cases? I have already had the experience with SkyNet... :shame:Yes, of course; but if your defense is now "I've been wrong before", it's also meaningless because it has no bearing on this game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unsatisfactorily.

:bow: Have a balloon. :balloon3:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

White eyes, who has a very colorful and distinct writing style, played games with the analyzers of the text the entire time through GF3. The lesson apparently has been ignored.

Even by white_eyes himself, who went after yoyoma this round based on the writeup. Your post count is down this game white_eyes.

[Reenk Roink]

I don't need to defend my case, I just need to state it. My work is done. And since it will go ignored, I don't see why you're getting so defensive.

Yes, of course; but if your defense is now "I've been wrong before", it's also meaningless because it has no bearing on this game.

My critique of your case is not you've been wrong. Do you intentionally misinterpret ever post just to be able to respond? :stare:

My case is clearly that you pick and choose statements to make a case, and the last sentence served the rhetorical end of reminding of how this has been seen in the past.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My critique of your case is not you've been wrong. Do you intentionally misinterpret ever post just to be able to respond? :stare:

If you state your case more clearly, I can respond better. Or you can ignore me as you suggest is the best course, since everyone else does.


My case is clearly that you pick and choose statements to make my case, and the last sentence served the rhetorical end of reminding of how this has been seen in the past.

Sorry, I don't live in the past.

[Reenk Roink]

If you state your case more clearly, I can respond better. Or you can ignore me as you suggest is the best course, since everyone else does.



Sorry, I don't live in the past.

I give up, I can't continue when you are going to misinterpret every statement I make or simply turn every post I make into a one lined caustic barb. One of the few times Mafia has become Backroomish unpleasant for me. :snobby:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I give up, I can't continue when you are going to misinterpret every statement I make or simply turn every post I make into a one lined caustic barb. One of the few times Mafia has become Backroomish unpleasant for me. :snobby:

I'm sorry you feel that way. I'll lighten up on you, and I'm sorry if this hurts our friendship. I do value that, you know.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza's policy:

If at any time, I make the game un-fun for anyone, send me a private message, and I will cease said behavior or drop out of the game. You guys are more important to me than winning. This has been my policy for several games now.

[Yoyoma1910]

Oh really?


What happened to thirty minutes or less...


:beatnik:

[pevergreen]

Pizza's policy:

If at any time, I make the game un-fun for anyone, send me a private message, and I will cease said behavior or drop out of the game. You guys are more important to me than winning. This has been my policy for several games now.

Stop over reacting. >_>

[ULC]

ROFLMFAO at bolded part. Sanity is something that I do not come included with. Trust me.

Ask why Mikey Fingers, not Oswald, killed me. Ask why the write up style suddenly differed. Why would Oswald not kill me as well, what makes me different enough that I have to be killed by a partner? Why wipe their hands clean of it? Why reveal another name, another player?

The person knows me and understands me to an extent - this means, IMO

ATPG
Reenk Roink
Sigurd
Boudica
Andres

As the only people who have truly talked to me exstensively and are ingame.

OR

The mafia group decided Ituralde was on the way out and sacrificied him to improve their chances. This means the people who accused him in thread and voted for him, which are...

ATPG
Andres
El Diablo
GH
Grey Blades
Reenk Roink
Seamus
White Eyes

You, Reenk, and Andres appear yet again. You all three know me well, and know of my condition. You all three are known to let your emotions get heated or involved to a degree.

You all three are my top suspects, quickly followed by White Eyes and Seamus.

I am not sure I agree wholeheartedly with your logic regarding who murdered you and why. Was Andres even here and active at the time? I know he was absent during all of Carnaval. As for me, I am begging your indulgence to just trust me that I didn't murder you. Give me a round of benefit of the doubt, or just for the sake of argument.

Reenk could have done avoided killing you, but that smacks of cowardice. Frankly I think they gave it to Ituralde so that it would mess with our brains. But we got Ituralde right away, didn't we?

I could make your case in-thread, but I feel you're the best qualified person. I consider Andres' contributions to be lackluster this game, he's possibly a Godfather though, not a henchman. I don't think he was even here to do the murders. I think he skipped out to avoid detection. El Diablo and GH are high on my list, but GH sounds like he's the detective or the spokesman for the detective, and as such, he's out. Seamus has been revealed as Donney, so it's not possible for him to have done it. Greyblades, it's possible... but I don't get the feeling he could pull off Oswald's kills.

My next top suspect is actually boudica. If you saw the settlement game, you know she is well versed in English culture, and a brilliant player in her own right.

ATPG asked me to present my case. Unlike the rest of you (Minus Sasaki, who borders on having a Tom/Jerry obsession with LG) never bother to come forward with anything, and frankly, it's not ATPG, Reenk, or Sasaki who is putting the bad tatse into my mouth, it's all of you who never both to try, who simply don't put any effort into the game. If that is so, then I'll simply remove myself from the gameroom, but prove me wrong town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I want to make a minor note:

The reason why I didn't want to go with Reenk was because I didn't think it would be likely (even if he were mafia) to abandon his consistent murder strategy, especially out of fear of getting caught.

It is most definitely NOT Reenk's style to be fearful or cowardly. He's a very, very bold player. I don't want my comment misconstrued. I would rather think it would be to mess with the brain, as I said.

Boudica isn't up to her usual stuff, and that is who I will likely be questioning, if anyone, this round. I actually have a headache from eyestrain and lack of sleep, and will probably bow out of the discussion until morning unless I have something substantive to add.

:bow:

[boudica]

Please don't lynch me. :thumbsdown: I promise to contribute more soon - I surely do. If my voting has piqued suspicion from anyone, I'd argue that it is because I haven't yet put any real time in to this game in terms of cogitatin' and ponderin' and there is much more dastardly behaviour than my own, going on both in the write-ups and the thread itself. If that sounds desperate - so be it :shame:.

[Askthepizzaguy]

:laugh4: I wouldn't worry about it too much, boudica. My opinion is hardly the majority here, and it's been wrong once too often. You're probably just fine.

[pevergreen]

Brendan walked in to Mcdoogals and saw Reenk Roink sitting at the bar. Brendan walked over to Reenk and said hello... and Reenk said leave me alone I am trying to brush my hair. Brendan said enough talking start fighting for ireland. Reenk said no I already fight for Ireland, I do it my way. I'm Mairead and I won't take any of this. Brendan hit her with a wine bottle and stabbed her in the neck. Then he drunk the delecious wine in front of him and left a card which said Two Blind Mice.

It was Sunday morning, and as Andres made his way to church he had before him a view of the last smiles of the year upon the tawny leaves, and on the withered hedges, an almost poetical depiction of the extant of autumn, that season of peculiar and inexhaustible influence on the mind of taste and tenderness, that season which had drawn from every poet, worthy of being read, some attempt at description, or some lines of feeling, which he would undoubtedly have paid some attention to if he hadn't hadn't had a mind-numbing, head throbbing, nauseating hangover, by far the worst hangover he'd had so far this week. It was so debilitating that he didn't hear the carriage coming up behind him, and was quite oblivious to its presence until the young lady driving it called out to him by name and offered him a lift.

He was delighted to accept, and in his oafish way soon began a series of clumsy, boyish attempts at wooing her, his efforts further hampered by his low class upbringing, which made his gentlemanly airs quite ludicrous. Such a strain of shallow artifice could not impose upon the driver. Its inconsistencies, contradictions, and falsehood struck her from the very first. His professions of attachment were as disgusting as his head was empty, and his demands impudent.

Besides, how could any man be held in anything but contempt by she whose heart belonged to Oswald? Her mind was drawn to the memory of Friday afternoon--two days ago by the calender but far longer when measured in the minutes that seem like hours to those under the spell of Cupid--when he had been the one offering her a lift in this carriage. Oswald drove so well—so quietly—without making any disturbance, without parading to her, or swearing at them: so different from the Irish "gentleman" whom it was in her power to compare him with! And then his hat sat so well, and the innumerable capes of his greatcoat looked so becomingly important! To be driven by him, next to being dancing with him, was certainly the greatest happiness in the world.

Soon they arrived at the the clifftop by the sea where Oswald had told her to meet him. Andres was so intoxicated by her beauty and by the flask of whiskey which he customarily saved for church but had been compelled to guzzle down along the way by the nervous fluttering in his heart that appeared whenever he was in the presence of a lady that he had not, until now, noticed how far from the church they were.

He had just began to think it was his lucky day when he was roughly dragged from the carriage and across the grass to edge of the cliff. Awaking from his drunken stuper, he threw off Oswald's arms and yelled in primal frustration.

"What is this! Who dares keep me from this incarnation of beauty!"

Through his increasingly sober eyes he saw a sworn enemy...Oswald. He began to chuckle.

"Ah Oswald, we finally meet. I'm going to enjoying killing you."

Oswald's eyes widened in surprise, he hadn't expected to come across anyone with an idea of what they were doing, he was just meant to kill anyone that wasn't with him.

"Its not possible...you can't be Brendan can you?"

"Brendan? No...that annoying little fly is always correcting me, always thinking hes better than me. My names Joey. Pleasure to have made your aquaintence, now, shall I kill you?"

While Andres had been on his little speech about who he really was, Oswald took out his handgun and shot him.

"So ends Andres. Two blind mice my arse."

Returning to the carriage, Oswald found the girl sitting with her hands over her eyes, frightened by the noise with which Andres had been dispatched.

"What did you do with him?", she asked.

"I let him know."

As the town got together for another time, they realised that thirteen of them were left. This could be an unlucky day.

The rumour of the town was "I'm not Donney, I'm Davey! Boudica is innocent."

Alive:
Askthepizzaguy
LittleGrizzly
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Lord Winter
White Eyes
Seamus
Factionheir
serierkhaan
Diana Abnoba
boudica
Sigurd
El Diablo

Dead:
Publius Aelius Hadrianus
A Very Super Market
Jolt
taka
Polemists
gaelic cowboy
Alexander the Pretty Good
CountArach
Psychonaut
YLC
Captain Blackadder
greyblades
shlin28
Andres
Reenk Roink

Lynched:
Beefy187
F.C is the bees knees
777ares777
Ituralde
yoyoma1910

It is now Day 7.

[FactionHeir]

How nice of the mafia to kill each other :laugh4:

[LittleGrizzly]

(Minus Sasaki, who borders on having a Tom/Jerry obsession with LG) never bother to come forward with anything

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Unlike the rest of you never bother to come forward with anything

In my defence i made the counter case on sasaki... and my activity does usually drop a little over the weekends...

Well that worked out nicely... the mafia killing each other... does anyone know how many mafia we have left (apparently it is scummy when i guess) we have had a few taken out...

and what was it.... 3 english 3 ira and 3 'other' roles ?

Now we are down to 13 people we need to look at each and everyone of them...

Apart from my thoughts on sasaki... maybe we should look at some of the less talkative posters... a few people getting away with saying or doing much of anything...

[pevergreen]

Major mistake, please reread summary.

edit: corrected.

[LittleGrizzly]

Returning to the carriage, Oswald found the girl sitting with her hands over her eyes, frightened by the noise with which Andres had been dispatched.

"What did you do with him?", she asked.

"I let him know."

Is this the change ?

Seems now to not indicate a bloodthirsty woman... or one scared of loud noises at least...

[pevergreen]

Reenk said no I already fight for Ireland, I do it my way. I'm Mairead and I won't take any of this.

Thats the main thing.

[FactionHeir]

Damn, so a pro town is gone too.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The way I see it there are two new leads that we should take up today.

1) Andres, and who he voted/defended/avoided
2) People who thought reenk was suspicious. You have to be really convinced to kill someone who draws as many votes as reenk. It's possible that they didn't say anything about their feelings in thread though.

And according to the bit at the bottom, the detective got a result on boudica that means she is either the godfather or a townie.

~D that's how I like to think of innocent results...

[FactionHeir]

Something quite peculiar. It seems that each mafia family can only act once each night rather than based on the number of members, so if one gets offed, another takes over or so. Maybe the same for pro town now that Mairead is gone and we got a detective result?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

1) Andres, and who he voted/defended/avoided

I see very little here. Not too surprising. Mostly he lurked and sparred with pizza.

2) People who thought reenk was suspicious. You have to be really convinced to kill someone who draws as many votes as reenk. It's possible that they didn't say anything about their feelings in thread though.

Pizza, white_eyes and boudica seemed willing to find the writeups to be good evidence. Pizza was sure it was reenk, WE sure it was yoyoma, and boudica thought it was...Diana Abnoba?

I found this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2189539&postcount=914) post to be unusual. It is possible she thought reenk did the writeup but didn't want to say so because she didn't think he'd get lynched and wanted to kill him without it reflecting back on her.

However, this was the vote count 10 minutes before lynching time:


boudica: 5 (LittleGrizzly, Sasaki, Lord Winter, shlin28, Reenk)
Ares: 5 (GH, Seamus, Greyblades, FactionHeir, White_Eyes)

I feel that we'd be better served to wait on boudica (though her behavior is still odd in the way I described during the round the vote count is from). I don't see the godfather going to tie 10 minutes before deadline without voting to save herself...of course pizza stepped in to save her. But I haven't found pizza to be scummy. His behavior is spot on the last two games. The kill on reenk could be the irish mafia attempting to frame him. But anyway, my point with posting the vote count is that it if boudica is guilty it will probably be very easy to tell once know more about the alignment of the people listed. Thus it is prudent to wait.

Vote:LittleGrizzly

Although it's apparent that I'm the only one on this, so I'll be making an argument for someone else later on, probably white_eyes, who should have known better than to be "sure" it was yoyoma who did the writeup. He's also lurking for him.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Sasaki:

You make some good points. Who would you vote for aside from LG and why? You've been stuck on that a while and it limits my "read" on you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't think the host is speaking on behalf of Seamus or Davey or whomever. If I recall correctly, he hasn't been doing so all this time. I'd rather hear directly from Seamus before I write Boudica off as innocent. Seamus was revealed as Donney, and as such, I believe he's either our detective, or a mason, or something. The play seems to indicate, from what I've read, that it's definitely Donney as a pro-town role, or neutral at worst. The English mafia have non-play names, and the Irish mafia are Brendan and Joey, and I think there was another name from the play as well for their Godfather. Boudica was my big suspect for Oswald besides Reenk Roink. I see nothing from the write-up which would convince me otherwise, especially with all the female references and the statement that boudica is innocent.

However... Oswald is not the priority. Godfathers are the priority. And I don't think boudica is the Godfather, unless someone credible comes forward claiming she got an innocent result. So I'd hope someone looks into her in the next night or so, to make sure one way or another. At this point, anyone with a guilty result I'd just ignore. I'm operating under the assumption that both mafia families have rules similar to the actual Godfather game setup (which is an awesome setup).

Sasaki, I'd be willing to toss you a bone over LittleGrizzly, or at least end this feud you guys are having. It's entirely possible this little duel of yours is helping one or the other avoid a lynch. After this round, though, you're going to have to lay off LittleGrizzly and focus on other suspects. I say Boudica is a huge choice for Oswald (or the Godfather, writing those kills for a henchman) I think she'd be an excellent lynch today, but I'm assuming my accusations of her will draw little support. Here is hope that my track record improves.

Vote: Boudica

[Askthepizzaguy]

By the way, I've been assuming from what GH has been saying, and who he's been picking, that he's been a protown role. Given mairead's death, and Seamus as another pro-town role, I don't believe GH is another pro-town. I think he could be neutral or townie, or... anything quite frankly.

If my suspicions are incorrect, I'll drop it.

[Reenk Roink]

Well Bible Killer, you're on your own now. Ever since I got to be a guardian angel, I decided to protect you (after Ares died). :bow:

Obviously we must work on our secret message system for later games. :laugh4:

edit: Also, I think I was killed for one of two reasons:

1) Some people actually thought there was a small chance I was Mafia of another family
2) May recent posts gave out my protown role

I don't think it is 2 at all though, that is just in the realm of possibility, but I see that not much higher than a random kill.

I suggest Atpg and FactionHeir to be lynched this round for self apparent reasons.

[Askthepizzaguy]

After our bar room brawl yesterday, I don't blame you for thinking that it was me.

[boudica]

Probably best you lynch me so the investigation proper may proceed without me being a suspicious distraction. I am high on the suspect list of both Sasaki and ATPG for my behaviour thusfar without really understanding why... but as I do not really have anything cogent to add to the thread yet in terms of tracking any of the mafia roles down I will happily suicide rather than let town waste another day.

Can I suicide Pevergreen?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Probably best you lynch me so the investigation proper may proceed without me being a suspicious distraction. I am high on the suspect list of both Sasaki and ATPG for my behaviour thusfar without really understanding why... but as I do not really have anything cogent to add to the thread yet in terms of tracking any of the mafia roles down I will happily suicide rather than let town waste another day.

Can I suicide Pevergreen?I believe that suicides are generally not accepted when you're a suspect. It's typically up to the host, but such a move is a game-breaker, because any innocent person could offer to suicide at any time. Also, it's the perfect reverse psychology strategy when you're already aware that the host won't allow a suicide. Plus it's bad for the town. If you're indeed innocent, suicide could likely cause the town to select another target, perhaps another innocent one, which kills 2 innocent townies worst case. Even best case, we nail a mafia, we still lose a townie in the process unnecessarily. I know I offer to suicide a lot if so-and-so is lynched; that's usually a bluff and won't act on it unless the town decides they really would rather me dead.

I believe you're cunning enough to try that as a lynch-deflection tactic.

[Yoyoma1910]

Probably best you lynch me so the investigation proper may proceed without me being a suspicious distraction. I am high on the suspect list of both Sasaki and ATPG for my behaviour thusfar without really understanding why... but as I do not really have anything cogent to add to the thread yet in terms of tracking any of the mafia roles down I will happily suicide rather than let town waste another day.

Can I suicide Pevergreen?

He might suffocate you with Beefy's bum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

To be fair, I want to state my case for you again briefly, boudica. If you can respond to these questions, I will drop my vote on you.

1. Why have you been less active this game? You've done that before as mafia.

2. Why did you assume Diana Abnoba could write the Oswald kill? You guys don't know her personally, but there is still nothing from her writing which indicates she has the ability or the drive to write such a beautifully crafted murder. I also happen to know it takes her 15 minutes to type a short post, and she will admit it. Someone would have had to write the kills for her.

3. You're a magnificent role player and writer, from what I've seen, and you seem well-versed in English culture. Do you deny that?

4. Could you have written the Oswald kill? Be honest.

[boudica]

I believe that suicides are generally not accepted when you're a suspect. It's typically up to the host, but such a move is a game-breaker, because any innocent person could offer to suicide at any time. Also, it's the perfect reverse psychology strategy when you're already aware that the host won't allow a suicide. Plus it's bad for the town. If you're indeed innocent, suicide could likely cause the town to select another target, perhaps another innocent one, which kills 2 innocent townies worst case. Even best case, we nail a mafia, we still lose a townie in the process unnecessarily. I know I offer to suicide a lot if so-and-so is lynched; that's usually a bluff and won't act on it unless the town decides they really would rather me dead.

I believe you're cunning enough to try that as a lynch-deflection tactic.

If only i could claim it were based on cunning! It appears my poor work for town and uninformed voting patterns - not to mention my offer of offing myself - merely increase suspicion.

F(inger) of M(eh) at all and sundry

[Askthepizzaguy]

If only i could claim it were based on cunning! It appears my poor work for town and uninformed voting patterns - not to mention my offer of offing myself - merely increase suspicion.

F(inger) of M(eh) at all and sundryNo one buys my attempts at gaining pity, either... so I hope you'll forgive me if I doubt yours. :bow: All I really want is answers to the above 4 questions, and I will not ask you another one for the rest of the game. Please humor me.

Depending on your answers, I may vote for someone else and not "waste" my vote.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, time to clear things up.

The short version: I suspect White_eyes.

The long version: For several rounds I've been in contact with White_eyes privately. We have both receiving PMs from a person who is undoubtedly a proxy for our Detective, disclosing the latest investigation results to us. I will not reveal the name of the proxy, nor the other innocents, as I believe that's the Detective's call if and when he does decide to reveal. I do not know if the other innocents have been receiving PMs as well, as I've only been talking to White_eyes.

I will say that so far, the entire investigation results have come up as innocents save one: Ituralde. After this fact happened, White_eyes and I had a long conversation about how to put pressure on Ituralde in the day phase and still survive the night (spoilered for your convenience):










We have a guilty one......should one of us claim detective and get him lynch?:idea2:

Nice, I'll take point once the day phase begins. :smoking:
Who.....you or me????:dizzy2: we know one of us might die tonight....and whoever claims during the day(If successful) well get killed during the next night....:sweatdrop: Might want to tell *other investigated innocent* about this so he knows as well..(and does the same....:dizzy2:)

Reenk's game refined my style a bit. I think I'll be able to get Ituralde lynched and still stay scummy enough where the mafia will leave me alive in hopes of lynching/discrediting me. They've definitely tried it before (Ephesus) where I've managed to survive.

Although if I die tonight, this naturally changes. :yes:
I know the info we have been getting is true.....because ATPG noted that Ituralde was there during the end of the day phase....almost like he was checking to make sure his buddy's were not lynched...
Interesting timing you have, Ituralde.

Showing up a mere 20 minutes before the lynch. What a coincidence.*check post 731*

What I'm a bit worried about is that a pro-town network may be forming. Somehow, some way, it might get infiltrated. Maybe innocent results don't necessarily guarantee innocence. pever said in the first post that this game uses the Godfather mechanic - in GF3, had khaan investigated Beefy, he would have turned up innocent.

All we know for certain is that Ituralde is a grunt. But unless *other investigated innocent* or anybody else that our Detective through *proxy* tells us is "innocent" approaches us I think we should leave this between you and me.
But that could be a problem.....since our "Detective" is sending PM's though *proxy* to all the people who show up innocent so far.....:sweatdrop:

Well, yeah, unfortunately. But so far *other investigated innocent* hasn't said anything and *proxy* obviously isn't going to send anything to Ituralde. If he sends us more innocents I'm still going to look at them closely in the thread before making a judgment.
Well.....regardless, Ituralde must be lynch tomorrow....:smash:




I was also thinking that....if *other investigated innocent* does not vote Ituralde....he is more less then likely the Godfather....:juggle2:

Well, it depends on what time he gets on. If he logs on and there's a big bandwagon against Ituralde then he really has no choice. But if he's on at the start of the phase and doesn't, then we might have our man.

Of course, it's also possible that *proxy* hasn't included him, but I doubt that.
but then again.....we might be already dead if the detective give the info to him and named us, as innocent.....if that's the case....90% chance one of us well die tonight....but if not...*other investigated innocent* is likely innocent instead....:juggle2:


Okay, so basically White_eyes was big on reminding me that whoever took the lead in the Ituralde lynching effort was probably going to die in the next night phase. I told him my plan would be to toe the line essentially - still get Ituralde lynched while appearing scummy enough so that the mafia wouldn't touch me.

However, the plan failed. Yes, Ituralde got lynched, but I came under zero suspicion, both during and after that phase. As a matter of fact, I don't believe I've received a single vote in this game so far. Frankly, there's no reason for the mafia to leave me alive two day phases later. In Ephesus, the only reason why I survived so long as I did was because I was almost constantly lynchbait.

Basically, I think White_eyes might be a Godfather leaving me alive because he thinks I believe in his innocence. Beefy tried this strategy in GF3 and it worked up until the final round.

About a round or so later, he PM'd me again, suggesting a lynch target to look into more detail:


I feel that Sasaki is a Godfather.....Proof other then "Sasaki is always guilty?":shrug: He has been focusing on the Irish killers.....but hardly touched the English ones....I also think he has Reenk as a grunt.....tough guys to get lynched without a detective reveal:wall:

I thought I responded, saying I'd look into it, but a proper look at my PMs say I didn't. Must've been ATPG instead.

Anyway, after going through Sasaki's posts, I see nothing of the sort. I would quote posts here, but there's nothing to quote. Sasaki went hard after taka in Round 2 because he wanted to lynch one of the major lurkers, FC because he mainly thought he was scum/a bad townie, gone after ATPG because... well... it's habit, and has had the feud with Grizz for a while now. However, there's been nothing about him specifically going for the Irish mafia, aside from when he was trying to argue with Grizz. As a matter of fact, Sasaki has pretty much played this like a vanilla Godfather game, not really distinguishing between the two factions.

Another thing - it's been a couple of days now since I received that PM from White_eyes. I planned to read up on Friday, but ran out of time, and I was totally dead yesterday and didn't get anything done. However, if White_eyes truly believed Sasaki was guilty, why didn't he say anything in the thread?

I believe a truly townie White_eyes would only care about lynching the bad guys. To me, it sounds like a manufactured case to get a threat out of the way, and also one designed for me to take the heat for it.

Vote: White_eyes:D

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki:

You make some good points. Who would you vote for aside from LG and why? You've been stuck on that a while and it limits my "read" on you.

White_eyes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2184796#post2184796). Ares and boudica were tied, and white_eyes plays around like he's going to abstain and "lets" LG talk him into voting. He votes for Ares. Now, this is partly guilt by association, since LG and boudica are two of the people I find scummiest. But I remember we jumped on WE's for a tie breaking vote in GF3 so as mafia he'd be careful like this for sure. The whole "I'll abstain but vote if you insist" is passing of responsibility which mafia love to do.

Then yesterday:


Its Yoyoma.....he knows Shakespeare, like the back of his hand.... and a whole bunch of other authors....I will bring up evidence and quotes to back this up...

Having read all his posts, this is the first time he's really made an accusation that I can remember. Coming from someone who successfully changed his style in GF3, this is a very odd choice, even more so for someone who has been subdued the whole game. Guilt by association again, but I wonder if he was concerned about someone who had been under pressure the day before getting lynched, and when he saw pizza go after the writeup he jumped on the chance.

LG is still a better suspect...I've made my case on him. But I love links between people. LG and boudica had a weird thing going together a few days back as well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll vote for White_eyes if boudica gets back here and answers my questions! :laugh2:

Actually, GH's suspicions and plans have been good for town so far, and I offer him my support. I trust his judgment more than my own at this point.

unvote: Boudica
vote: White_eyes

I still want 4 answers by the end of the round, B.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Unvote,Vote:white_eyes


He has been focusing on the Irish killers

Classic :bounce:

Townies don't know who the Irish killers are. WE reveals that he knows too much.

He also seems very worried about being the one to post as a proxy detective...

[Reenk Roink]

I know who White eyes is. He is playing you, but he doesn't deserve to be killed.

For all the scrutiny on his behavior, the fact is, it is White eyes ish to do these things. He only would change it as a Mafia...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Wow, just wow.

Word of caution folks, this is all going to get hairy from here. There are only 13 alive, with 4 of them being mafiosi. We have lost our SK (no prob) and a protector (adios Reenk and thanks for the save -- though I have no plans to kiss you).

Sasaki, good answer. GH, this has the ring of truth (if I read you right, you are accusing him of GF status, yes?). I think we need, at the least, to give W_E the incentive to clear his name.

Vote: White_Eyes

[GeneralHankerchief]

Correct, he's either a Godfather or a townie. My vote is Godfather.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Boudica left after reading my questions and did not answer them. I would like pressure votes on her next round if white_eyes turns up innocent.

edit: Interesting timing, boudica. Last Activity: Today 12:56

(12:56 my time... 4 minutes after I posted)

[boudica]

To be fair, I want to state my case for you again briefly, boudica. If you can respond to these questions, I will drop my vote on you.

1. Why have you been less active this game? You've done that before as mafia.

2. Why did you assume Diana Abnoba could write the Oswald kill? You guys don't know her personally, but there is still nothing from her writing which indicates she has the ability or the drive to write such a beautifully crafted murder. I also happen to know it takes her 15 minutes to type a short post, and she will admit it. Someone would have had to write the kills for her.

3. You're a magnificent role player and writer, from what I've seen, and you seem well-versed in English culture. Do you deny that?

4. Could you have written the Oswald kill? Be honest.

I hadn't read your questions before leaving. I hope I have time to answer them now before leaving again.

1) Read my sign-up post. I was reticent to play more than 2 games (all I have decided I can cope with at once with any degree of commitment) But didn't want the game to fail through lack of participants.

2) I was attempting to draw some more comment from Diana. You're right I do not know her and her answer satisfied me - I was surprised when people had followed my lead and voted her when I checked back in. With no clear strategy in what has turned in to a bigger thread than Settlement, I have been voting mainly just to get 'a rise' from people.

3)Thankyou!

4) Not in the time allowed and not without significant research. My knowledge of literature is very small, but I enjoy writing creatively and hope to improve.

I have just caught up on GH's posts but will need to hear more and read back myself before I establish that GH himself is not having us on.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Thank you, boudica.

I still think you could have written it, and that is why I have you under suspicion. However, it is the collective judgment of all which matters, and I have no further case to make against you. If you turn out to be mafia, I can say I tried and no one listened. As such, I'd encourage discussion of further suspects.

It's interesting to note that once I ramped up more pressure on you, B, you returned. Getting nervous, are we?


edit: oops that's a question. You don't have to answer it.

[Diana Abnoba]

Very interesting posts today especially the PM disclosure, it convinced me. I don't know WE very well, but he seems quick to jump on Yoyoma.

Vote: White_eyes

[El Diablo]

Just back from the weekend, and that looks like a good bit of information..

Vote White Eyes

[pevergreen]

As a note, I am very very reluctant to suicide anyone, especially at this point of the game. I knew pyschonaut stopped paying attention (he never did in the first place) but LW and boudica, I won't suicide you.

[Andres]

What does "vicissitudes" mean?


You tell me, it's your language...

No guys, don't lynch White_Eyes:D! Lynch a real suspect!

Bwahahahahaha :devil:

[LittleGrizzly]

LG is still a better suspect...

If your an innocent your incorrect reading of me could be the end for the town...

The white eyes lynch seems good but im not 100% sure on it... i guess since this is the seventh vote on him so it seals the deal...

I really hope you turn up guilty...

I still think we should lynch boudica... Infact i pretty much agree with sasaki just replace sasaki for LG as the other suspect...

Vote White Eyes :D

[Andres]

LG is still a better suspect...

If your an innocent your incorrect reading of me could be the end for the town...

The white eyes lynch seems good but im not 100% sure on it... i guess since this is the seventh vote on him so it seals the deal...

I really hope you turn up guilty...

I still think we should lynch boudica... Infact i pretty much agree with sasaki just replace sasaki for LG as the other suspect...

Vote White Eyes :D

Oh, come on, you English scumbag. Your grunt shouldn't have killed me last night. Just die now as the godfather scum you are.

[LittleGrizzly]

Oh, come on, you English scumbag. Your grunt shouldn't have killed me last night. Just die now as the godfather scum you are.

umm... so your accussing me of being english and sasaki is accusing me of being irish...

I am the crazy half breed serial killer... he hates ira, english and irish civilians...

*crazy killing rampage*

[Andres]

Just die, LittleGrizzly.

[Andres]

The way I see it there are two new leads that we should take up today.

1) Andres, and who he voted/defended/avoided
2) People who thought reenk was suspicious. You have to be really convinced to kill someone who draws as many votes as reenk. It's possible that they didn't say anything about their feelings in thread though.

And according to the bit at the bottom, the detective got a result on boudica that means she is either the godfather or a townie.

~D that's how I like to think of innocent results...



1) Andres, and who he voted/defended/avoided

I see very little here. Not too surprising. Mostly he lurked and sparred with pizza.

2) People who thought reenk was suspicious. You have to be really convinced to kill someone who draws as many votes as reenk. It's possible that they didn't say anything about their feelings in thread though.

Pizza, white_eyes and boudica seemed willing to find the writeups to be good evidence. Pizza was sure it was reenk, WE sure it was yoyoma, and boudica thought it was...Diana Abnoba?

I found this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2189539&postcount=914) post to be unusual. It is possible she thought reenk did the writeup but didn't want to say so because she didn't think he'd get lynched and wanted to kill him without it reflecting back on her.

However, this was the vote count 10 minutes before lynching time:



I feel that we'd be better served to wait on boudica (though her behavior is still odd in the way I described during the round the vote count is from). I don't see the godfather going to tie 10 minutes before deadline without voting to save herself...of course pizza stepped in to save her. But I haven't found pizza to be scummy. His behavior is spot on the last two games. The kill on reenk could be the irish mafia attempting to frame him. But anyway, my point with posting the vote count is that it if boudica is guilty it will probably be very easy to tell once know more about the alignment of the people listed. Thus it is prudent to wait.

Vote:LittleGrizzly

Although it's apparent that I'm the only one on this, so I'll be making an argument for someone else later on, probably white_eyes, who should have known better than to be "sure" it was yoyoma who did the writeup. He's also lurking for him.


First post at 4.28 pm, second on 5.01 pm (GMT +1). In about half an hour, you came to those conclusions... That doesn't sound like you put much effort in it.

I know L_G is English mafia, but I don't think he's the godfather; the more I think about it, Sasaki is the English godfather, trying to get his grunt lynched, to let town believe he is innocent beyond doubt.

EDIT: I'll help town to get rid of the English. After they are disposed off, I will refrain from further commenting on this thread. I've been suspicious about the constant Sasaki-LittleGrizzly duel all game. I know I'm revealed as scum, but don't forget I have one thing in common with town: to root out the English mafia.

[seireikhaan]

Very interesting posts today especially the PM disclosure, it convinced me. I don't know WE very well, but he seems quick to jump on Yoyoma.

Vote: White_eyes
And you are quick to jump on White Eyes.

Vote: Boudica

Something a tad disconcerting about this white eys deal...

[Lord Winter]

As a note, I am very very reluctant to suicide anyone, especially at this point of the game. I knew pyschonaut stopped paying attention (he never did in the first place) but LW and boudica, I won't suicide you.

:bow: I'll try to set aside some time to get caught up. :bow:

[White_eyes:D]

If I am going down GH, I am taking you with me.........everyone must lynch GH after this....I never did any write-ups for this and I will post the "innocent results"

Night the First, GH innocent
Night the Second, WE innocent
More will follow
That was the first PM we got...

Night the Third, El D innocent
This was after I talked to GH...

Night the Fourth, Ituralde guilty, scum, faction not known

Night the Fifth, Grizzly innocent

Night the Sixth, Boudica innocent
and we got these thourgh someone.....:laugh4: but I am dead anyway:shrug: GH's paranoia strikes again.....:wall:(or he is a Godfather and it was well-played...Whatever:wall:)

[GeneralHankerchief]

WE, please at least edit out the names of the other innocents. It's not your call whether or not to reveal them.

-edit- I wasn't accusing you of doing the write-ups - I was accusing you of odd behavior and of being the Godfather.

[White_eyes:D]

WE, please at least edit out the names of the other innocents. It's not your call whether or not to reveal them.

-edit- I wasn't accusing you of doing the write-ups - I was accusing you of odd behavior and of being the Godfather.

No man.....this sinking ship is going down and your ALL coming with me for votiing for an innocent man......:smoking:

[Andres]

Nice, five possible Godfahters and Grizzly is among them. He's the Godfather then and Sasaki probably isn't his grunt after all, since it was Sasaki who started to call for his lynching and a grunt wouldn't go after his own GF so viciously.

That, or Seamus is giving you guys false information.

[GeneralHankerchief]

If you're truly innocent, then give a proper defense of yourself. Let the rest of the townies make a judgment call and then, if we see that I'm wrong, we'll have more data to base some endgame conclusions off of. Right now, you look like you're doing yourself to spite the rest of us.

[Andres]

If you're truly innocent, then give a proper defense of yourself. Let the rest of the townies make a judgment call and then, if we see that I'm wrong, we'll have more data to base some endgame conclusions off of. Right now, you look like you're doing yourself to spite the rest of us.

Why are you sure W_E is the Godfather? He isn't my Godfather and I know L_G is English mafia. Since L_G came up as innocent, he has to be the English Godfather and W_E just an innocent townie you're about to lynch.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Either White_eyes is a Godfather or he's a townie. And frankly, your word on who is or isn't Irish mafia isn't really the best to go off of. :laugh4:

[Andres]

Either White_eyes is a Godfather or he's a townie. And frankly, your word on who is or isn't Irish mafia isn't really the best to go off of. :laugh4:

Fair enough.

But I'm as interested in getting the mafiosi who killed me as you are. Make fun of me as much as you want, but Little_Grizzly is the English Godfather. Either that or I'm being confused on purpose by our host.

[GeneralHankerchief]

How exactly are you certain that LG is the English Godfather? I admit I haven't been paying as much attention to him.

[El Diablo]

Nice, five possible Godfahters and Grizzly is among them.

What makes you think that Grizzly is a Godfather? It states that he is innocent on the White Eyes reveal.

nm - so a "innocent" result comes up for a godfather?

[Andres]

How exactly are you certain that LG is the English Godfather? I admit I haven't been paying as much attention to him.

He killed me and he came up as innocent upon investigation.

[GeneralHankerchief]

How do you know he killed you?

[Askthepizzaguy]

White_eyes, your posting of the results of the investigation is not good. After being asked to edit it out, you still have not.

Why?

[White_eyes:D]

To spite town......and because I trusted GH enough to send him a PM and he backstabbed me with it....:juggle2: town can go and get killed for all I care....and I hope GH suffers a horriable death as well.:skull:

[GeneralHankerchief]

You said you suspected Sasaki. I said nothing about it for two days. You had plenty of time to post your suspicions in the thread. Don't say I backstabbed you just because I followed through with your suggestion and didn't agree with your conclusion.

[Reenk Roink]

Lynch in this order:

GeneralHankerchief - so obviously guilty
Askthepizzaguy - I believe he knocked me off after failing to get any votes on me
FactionHeir - some oft he stuff he said recently made me go "Hmmm"

If you are only going to lynch one, please make it GH. Please, for my sake. I am Mairaed, your guardian angel and most trusted adviser. :bow:

[White_eyes:D]

The fact that I didn't was because I had no proof.....and Sasaki would just argue his way out:shrug: I was hoping you would come up with something.....but I had a bad feeling about you....ever since you didn't resopnd much in the whole ATPG vs Reenk debate...(I didn't want to say anything to add fuel to the fire.....and I had no idea if Sasaki really was guilty.....so I was hoping you would find something....but instead you, got suspcius of me....nice one (if townie)....)

Edit:tons of spelling mistakes...don't blame me....blame Vista:bow:

[FactionHeir]

I'm a bit confused why your detective chose to publically announce the N6 result but none of the others?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch in this order:

GeneralHankerchief - so obviously guilty
Askthepizzaguy - I believe he knocked me off after failing to get any votes on me
FactionHeir - some oft he stuff he said recently made me go "Hmmm"

If you are only going to lynch one, please make it GH. Please, for my sake. I am Mairaed, your guardian angel and most trusted adviser. :bow:

GH: No case has been made against him. You're innocent, yes, but other dead and confirmed innocents do not get what they want simply because they say so. If you want my vote, you need to give reasons.

ATPG: Sorry, but any mafia would reach the same conclusion that you need to go if the town won't vote for you and you're acting as though you're trying to bluff that you have a role, thus hiding you have a role. I can only say I am sorry for accusing you, and that I was not responsible for your murder or anyone else's. I'm not a murderer or a Godfather.

FactionHeir: Not much of a case, but FactionHeir is the one suspect I agree with you about. I just think he has been trying to avoid suspicion all game, and he hasn't been pressured properly yet.

[LittleGrizzly]

Fair enough.

But I'm as interested in getting the mafiosi who killed me as you are. Make fun of me as much as you want, but Little_Grizzly is the English Godfather. Either that or I'm being confused on purpose by our host.

Or as scum do best, you are lieing at all costs to help your side win...

Look at his theory changing to suit new posts in the thread, desperately making it fit to his theory, notice the way he dismisses all the investigated as potential targets... wanting to kill all innocents...

My vote shall stay on White Eyes anyway... either scum or extraordinarily bad townie..

Boudica probably innocent now but sasaki is on my suspect list strongly still..

[Reenk Roink]

GH: No case has been made against him. You're innocent, yes, but other dead and confirmed innocents do not get what they want simply because they say so. If you want my vote, you need to give reasons.

ATPG: Sorry, but any mafia would reach the same conclusion that you need to go if the town won't vote for you and you're acting as though you're trying to bluff that you have a role, thus hiding you have a role. I can only say I am sorry for accusing you, and that I was not responsible for your murder or anyone else's. I'm not a murderer or a Godfather.

Never expected you personally to take my banner, doesn't mean there aren't others I haven't been in contact with.

The case against GH is already self evident to me and will be widely spread when it is revealed that WE is innocent.

The case against you is strong because you were the only one who publicly believed I was Mafia. I already pointed out that any Mafia who thought I was a Mafia would kill me so you're not adding anything new here. Just that the most likely person to kill me would be the one who most thought me as Mafia.

After all, do we have any other suspects as strong as you in my murder? Anyone else who wanted me dead as badly as you did? You were the only one who made the case, and the only person who somewhat seemed to consider it was Seamus, the very man I protected and who cannot be guilty.

Lynch GH town, do it for Mairead. :bow:

[LittleGrizzly]

Unvote White Eyes

Im not completely convinced of his guilt..

Ill default to my second best suspect... Vote Sasaki

[Askthepizzaguy]

Never expected you personally to take my banner, doesn't mean there aren't others I haven't been in contact with.

The case against GH is already self evident to me and will be widely spread when it is revealed that WE is innocent.

The case against you is strong because you were the only one who publicly believed I was Mafia. I already pointed out that any Mafia who thought I was a Mafia would kill me so you're not adding anything new here. Just that the most likely person to kill me would be the one who most thought me as Mafia.

After all, do we have any other suspects as strong as you in my murder? Anyone else who wanted me dead as badly as you did? You were the only one who made the case, and the only person who somewhat seemed to consider it was Seamus, the very man I protected and who cannot be guilty.

Lynch GH town, do it for Mairead. :bow:

In short, everything you said, Reenk, is a brilliant reason why someone would kill you. So that I would finally be lynched too.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

And you are quick to jump on White Eyes.

Vote: Boudica

Something a tad disconcerting about this white eys deal...


Do all women look alike to you? :laugh4:

Check your trigger finger 'khaan. You shot a bit too fast.

[Reenk Roink]

A short rebuttal of the case on White eyes as made by GH:


The long version: For several rounds I've been in contact with White_eyes privately. We have both receiving PMs from a person who is undoubtedly a proxy for our Detective, disclosing the latest investigation results to us. I will not reveal the name of the proxy, nor the other innocents, as I believe that's the Detective's call if and when he does decide to reveal. I do not know if the other innocents have been receiving PMs as well, as I've only been talking to White_eyes.

I will say that so far, the entire investigation results have come up as innocents save one: Ituralde. After this fact happened, White_eyes and I had a long conversation about how to put pressure on Ituralde in the day phase and still survive the night (spoilered for your convenience):

Okay, so basically White_eyes was big on reminding me that whoever took the lead in the Ituralde lynching effort was probably going to die in the next night phase. I told him my plan would be to toe the line essentially - still get Ituralde lynched while appearing scummy enough so that the mafia wouldn't touch me.

However, the plan failed. Yes, Ituralde got lynched, but I came under zero suspicion, both during and after that phase. As a matter of fact, I don't believe I've received a single vote in this game so far. Frankly, there's no reason for the mafia to leave me alive two day phases later. In Ephesus, the only reason why I survived so long as I did was because I was almost constantly lynchbait.

Here GH essentially wants you to believe that White eyes is leaving him alive. I think this is much too naive a view. Mafia have went ahead and killed more "lynchbait" worthy suspects before.


Basically, I think White_eyes might be a Godfather leaving me alive because he thinks I believe in his innocence. Beefy tried this strategy in GF3 and it worked up until the final round.

About a round or so later, he PM'd me again, suggesting a lynch target to look into more detail:

I thought I responded, saying I'd look into it, but a proper look at my PMs say I didn't. Must've been ATPG instead.

Anyway, after going through Sasaki's posts, I see nothing of the sort. I would quote posts here, but there's nothing to quote. Sasaki went hard after taka in Round 2 because he wanted to lynch one of the major lurkers, FC because he mainly thought he was scum/a bad townie, gone after ATPG because... well... it's habit, and has had the feud with Grizz for a while now. However, there's been nothing about him specifically going for the Irish mafia, aside from when he was trying to argue with Grizz. As a matter of fact, Sasaki has pretty much played this like a vanilla Godfather game, not really distinguishing between the two factions.

Another thing - it's been a couple of days now since I received that PM from White_eyes. I planned to read up on Friday, but ran out of time, and I was totally dead yesterday and didn't get anything done. However, if White_eyes truly believed Sasaki was guilty, why didn't he say anything in the thread?

I believe a truly townie White_eyes would only care about lynching the bad guys. To me, it sounds like a manufactured case to get a threat out of the way, and also one designed for me to take the heat for it.

Here GH tries to portray White eyes as a rival Godfather. Again, a much more plausible view is that White eyes is just a pissed off townie. For all the anecdotes GH brings up of behavioral play in the past, there can be an equal amount of counter anecdotes bought up

Take a look at how White eyes plays as both a townie and Mafia in Whispers of the Night (he was converted sometime in the game), it's quite clear that:

1) applying these kind of behavioral guidelines are non effectual, in both the general case and especially against WE.
2) if you are to apply the behavioral guidelines then the stronger opinion is that WE is not Mafia...

Do the right thing town, spare WE, kill GH. :bow:

[seireikhaan]

Do all women look alike to you? :laugh4:

Check your trigger finger 'khaan. You shot a bit too fast.
:sweatdrop:

Riiiiiight. Umm...

Like I was saying, er... Lurking is bad, and erhm... uh...

Unvote: Boudica
Vote: Diana Aboba

:creep:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Here GH essentially wants you to believe that White eyes is leaving him alive. I think this is much too naive a view. Mafia have went ahead and killed more "lynchbait" worthy suspects before.

No, I believe WE is leaving me alive because he thought we trusted each other and that I would not vote for him. Consider his reaction when I brought my case against him - he considered it "backstabbing".

[Reenk Roink]

No, I believe WE is leaving me alive because he thought we trusted each other and that I would not vote for him. Consider his reaction when I brought my case against him - he considered it "backstabbing".

Is this any point in favor of your innocence? :inquisitive: White eyes and people in general aren't so naive to take a pact like that seriously, but especially White eyes.

Take the textbook case from WotN if you think past behavior can gleam some info.

All I can remember is the cult thing in Graffiti Mafia. :laugh4: The vibes from you are overpowering. It's not even intuition...

[GeneralHankerchief]

White_eyes just watched as a similar pact Beefy made with taka (and to a lesser extent, you) lasted him into the twelth round of Godfather 3.

[Reenk Roink]

White_eyes just watched as a similar pact Beefy made with taka (and to a lesser extent, you) lasted him into the twelth round of Godfather 3.

My "pact" of Beefy was just me wanting to defend him because he dies way too early. Beefy had no say in it. It was completely spontaneous and just happened. That I held true to it was just continuing along with the semi joke. Beefy only made one joke post in reply, on my public profile about it.

The "pact" of taka was not even a pact in my sense GH :laugh:, he made that up in reference to my "pact" with Beefy.

Ask Beefy and taka if you don't believe me.

[GeneralHankerchief]

My "pact" of Beefy was just me wanting to defend him because he dies way too early. Beefy had no say in it. It was completely spontaneous and just happened. That I held true to it was just continuing along with the semi joke. Beefy only made one joke post in reply, on my public profile about it.

The "pact" of taka was not even a pact in my sense GH :laugh:, he made that up in reference to my "pact" with Beefy.

Ask Beefy and taka if you don't believe me.

Reenk.

The point is that Beefy and taka were working together in a way. Very similar to what White_eyes and I were doing. And the bottom line is that Beefy kept you alive until the end because you wouldn't vote for him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh my. Finally some controversy!

*gets the popcorn out*

At the last I don't feel as though I am one of the only ones applying pressure on people. As such, and as I promised in several games, I'll actually shut up. Bonus!

[White_eyes:D]

Reenk.

The point is that Beefy and taka were working together in a way. Very similar to what White_eyes and I were doing. And the bottom line is that Beefy kept you alive until the end because you wouldn't vote for him.

YOU never trusted me from the start....I didn't PM anyone else either....it was risk since it works BOTH ways if, you or me were a Godfather...but since it was the first night...I thought "what the heck?:shrug: GH is trustworthy"....and you had a innocent result....if you look at the PM's GH was the first to bring it up.


To sum it up....he didn't want a "Townie network" forming....which I guess would help him have a scapegoat, if things went bad.....:sweatdrop:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Day the Seventh, I reveal.

Hi, Donney here. As has become something of an open secret, I've done a bit of private detective work before, so I've been using my skills to try to give information to this town so that Inishmore can survive BOTH of these groups of louts who assail us. Paddy was a bad one and that's the truth before God, but having sired that horror -- God rest his soul -- I have no longing for violence and no wish to see either "side" win. Inishmore should be free of both these pestilences.



Hello Seamus. :bow:

You have been randomly selected as Donney. Your son, Padraic is a madman, but you hope deep inside he might spare your life when he finds out about Wee Thomas.

In game terms, you are the Detective. Simply PM me a name of a person each night phase, and I will respond with their alignment, Town/Neutral/Mafia/Unclear.

If you are killed or lynched, your name will be revealed as Donney.

Please do not reveal in private or take a screenshot of this PM.

Good luck
:bow:
pevergreen


I have made six investigations, and with the kindly permission of our host passed the results to the first two innocents thereby uncovered. I did this through the kind auspices of Lemur (who was glad to help as long as he didn't have to play -- he was qiute clear on that) who sent the anonymous messages. The six were, in order, GH, W_E, El D, Ituralde, Griz, & Boudica. Reenk and Sasaki and pizza were next. The format used was as W_E described.

Anonymity is now moot anyway -- it's been shaky for a while since the attack -- so it's time to come clean. I thank Reenk for his protection for so long. Just knowing Mairead was covering me let me continue.

It is also possible, of course, that I was in touch with a GF with this effort -- which is why I talked to two of them. The odds of BOTH of my chosen recipients being GFs beggar the imagination. Even if I had been randomly killed, some information would be available. Moreover, Ituralde's guilt was quickly turned into his removal -- getting us a small step closer.

I will continue my efforts, but would not expect that I am likely to continue as a living detective without Reenk waiting in the wings. Probably one of the few things the mafias will agree upon at this point.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Unvote: White_Eyes

Vote: abstain

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well then the people in question are either innocent or Godfather. Only one henchman so far... hmm.

unvote: White_eyes
vote: Seireikhaan

Since boudica and white_eyes, GH, El Diablo, etc were proven "not henchman", hopefully lack of votes on such people will force the mafia to kill them, hoping they hit a Godfather or an innocent townie. Seireikhaan, on the other hand, hasn't been contributing, and there's no reason behind his votes. He's not even paying attention to who he is voting for. As such, I don't think he cares who dies, as long as it's not him. I also think some of his head-game tactics earlier on this game were intended perhaps to fool the mafia, but seriously? Only I was even confused about it, and I explained my theory about what he was doing, which was acting like bait for the mafia, and then he never got killed, and he's had no pressure on him, but he hasn't changed his strategy. He's still hiding, basically, and he deserves a pressure vote.

Speak now, or forever hold your peace.

[White_eyes:D]

I will do something GH is not willing to do....Vote:White_eyes:D he would never vote for himself:2thumbsup:(So make sure he gets lynched next round:yes:)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Please, White_Eyes, it's always disappointing when someone you trust turns out to not trust you.

Sasaki played mind games with me in Settlement, and Seamus, I accused him of being mafia. We at one point had decided to trust Sasaki, in violation of the Rules of Mafia, and as for Seamus, I agreed he could have been converted, and was a likely suspect of being converted.

But as disappointing as it is when someone betrays you, it doesn't pay to hurt your own team. Unvote yourself please.

[Reenk Roink]

I will do something GH is not willing to do....Vote:White_eyes:D he would never vote for himself:2thumbsup:(So make sure he gets lynched next round:yes:)

:wall:

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's been a good game so far. We've got plenty to work with, this time the detective didn't die in the second round, he's still alive and the mafia have to target him, and we have a list of unchecked suspects to harass. Do we really have to stab ourselves at the finish line? Let's get ahold of ourselves.

I don't mind aggressive questioning, I adore it. But I question late-game suicidal behavior. That kind of stuff can work, (debateable) in the opening, but it's irresponsible to do so now. Unvote yourself and take a break, white_eyes.

[White_eyes:D]

Well, it's not so bad.....at least town can shoot itself in the foot more:laugh4:

Edit: anyone willing to listen to GH's suspcion on me being the Godfather MUST be looked at....:brood:

[White_eyes:D]

I just counted the votes.....4 for me....and one for anyone else EVEN close...I am boned no matter what......:smash:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Anyone who thinks WE's doesn't deserve a lynch hasn't read carefully. He dropped one of the highest percentage mafia tells known to man.

LG is the only other person I'd consider voting.

[El Diablo]

OKaaaayyy, now I am confused...

Unvote White Eyes, Vote FH.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy too quiet.

[White_eyes:D]

Anyone who thinks WE's doesn't deserve a lynch hasn't read carefully. He dropped one of the highest percentage mafia tells known to man.

LG is the only other person I'd consider voting.

Clearly, he dosen't know me very well....:no::clown::clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

FINALLY.

unvote: Seireikhaan
vote: FactionHeir

Rather pointless until now. All I want is for Factionheir to finally get pressured and questioned. His contributions this game I find to be less than what he usually does. He's probably not a pro-town role and he hasn't been investigated. I say a high percentage of mafia or Godfather.

[White_eyes:D]

Wow, you messed up BIG TIME town:yes:......but what ever:shrug: Unvote:taka Vote:Whiteeyes:D

Hopefully town does better next time....YLC, end the round since you seemed to have wrote a write-up that implicates me a lot...:furious3::laugh4:Sasaki is SO wrong, I must laugh but let's see...



Reen Roink was walking his dog down the street, enjoying all the new Christmas lights that had been put up. He was too engulfed with the Christmas lights to notice the red dot on his chest. Luckily there was someone there to point it out too him.
He heard someone screaming "Reenk, Watch Out! There is a red dot on your chest! It’s the Sniper!!!"

The man threw Reenk Roink what appeared to be a bulletproof vest, and he put it on without much thought. Not noticing that it was a vest covered with C-4 explosives!

It was too late to take off the vest though, the button was pushed, and Reenk Roink went KABLOOEE!
A laser pointer and a fedora was found at the scene of the crime...
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
I almost died laughing........I have been so FRAMED....that I will do the TinCow-Andres Mafia's a favor and Vote:White_eyes:DSee a pattern here that is VERY different from Godfather 3?????:smash:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, just one more question to the people that know WE better than me:

Is he the type of person that, knowing he is about to infiltrate, would make first contact with a person?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote Count:

White_eyes: 4(GH,Sasaki, Diana, White_eyes)
FactionHeir: 2(El Diablo, Pizza)
Sasaki: 1(LittleGrizzly)
Diana: 1(khaan)



White_eyes, I'm not referring to your self vote. Lots of people self vote. I was referring to the "insider information" tell present in your pm to gh.

[Reenk Roink]

:laugh4:Sasaki is SO wrong, I must laugh but let's see...
See a pattern here that is VERY different from Godfather 3?????:smash:

White eyes, this pointing to your past behavior actually takes away from your innocence. :no: Stop being mopey and vote FactionHeir. :whip: I'll be upfront with you, if we were to have the HOF vote now, I would vote you as best Gameroom player. Or I would if you didn't have the tendency to give up so easily. You would be unstoppable if you didn't do that. Now go, save yourself, you have been given a great opportunity! :2thumbsup:

GH, yes.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The white eyes lynch seems good but im not 100% sure on it... i guess since this is the seventh vote on him so it seals the deal...

I really hope you turn up guilty...

I still think we should lynch boudica... Infact i pretty much agree with sasaki just replace sasaki for LG as the other suspect...

Vote White Eyes :D


My vote shall stay on White Eyes anyway... either scum or extraordinarily bad townie..

Boudica probably innocent now but sasaki is on my suspect list strongly still..


Unvote White Eyes

Im not completely convinced of his guilt..

Ill default to my second best suspect... Vote Sasaki

Care to explain your thought process here grizz?

White eyes goes from "seem a good lynch" to "either scum or extraordinarily bad townie" to "not completely convinced of his guilt"--> is that really a reason for unvoting someone?

Boudica goes from "I think we should lynch boudica" to "Boudica probably innocent now".


I know who White eyes is. He is playing you, but he doesn't deserve to be killed.

:coffeenews:

[White_eyes:D]

Vote Count:

White_eyes: 4(GH,Sasaki, Diana, White_eyes)
FactionHeir: 2(El Diablo, Pizza)
Sasaki: 1(LittleGrizzly)
Diana: 1(khaan)



White_eyes, I'm not referring to your self vote. Lots of people self vote. I was referring to the "insider information" tell present in your pm to gh.

......well you got me:shrug:.....I trusted a person who got results from a third person and all along I was the Godfather just hoping GH would get rid of my enemys....:smash: Even though on "The settlement" I never once revealed anything expect in public for everyone to see....:smash: I don't trust anyone hardly....and after this GH is so untrust worty to me...I well NEVER trust him again....It all began with just a harmless question...I was hoping GH would help but instead he backstabbed a fellow townie......which was why I released all the names....so he can't just knock them off if he wanted...:yes:

[White_eyes:D]

*sighs*.....You are going to spam my inbox till it is full Reenk.....:brood: fine, Unvote:White_eyes:D Vote:Factionheir reason? to save my own skin......happy?:no:

[Reenk Roink]

*sighs*.....You are going to spam my inbox till it is full Reenk.....:brood: fine, Unvote:White_eyes:D Vote:Factionheir reason? to save my own skin......happy?:no:

Yes, but we need one more on FH. I'd rather GH or Atpg go, but you gotta cut your losses. And I sent you two messages. :laugh4:

[GeneralHankerchief]

For God's sake stop saying I backstabbed you. How about looking at it from my point of view for once:

- I've been stabbed over and over, especially in the past year. Plus, I've witnessed firsthand just how many "pro-town" groups have miserably failed.
- I get in contact with you, you who initiated the process, and now I get reassurance from Reenk that you are the type of person that would do this.
- During our chats, you're always afraid to make the first move. Constantly reminding me that we might die because Ituralde was found guilty. Asking me what I feel about Sasaki. Waiting two days, saying nothing, waiting for me to post my findings. Even now you still say nothing about Sasaki in the thread. What happened to your suspicion of him, huh?

So yes, you'll forgive me for my paranoia. Don't mistake me making a call that you're no longer to be trusted for stabbing you in the back.

As I'm getting angry, I'm now going to log off for the night. :bow:

[White_eyes:D]

Well you kicked :daisy: in "The Settlement" and I felt I could rely on you here.....but I was clearly wrong....your paranoia of "Pro-townie networks" was too strong.....Even though I never contacted anyone else who was innocent and toke your advice....If I was Godfather you would have been deaad pronto...:skull:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I sent a PM to White Eyes. I told him I thought he was innocent, and to please unvote himself and vote for someone else. He replied it wouldn't matter because "no matter what he does, he's a godfather". I replied I didn't care what people thought, I was willing to toss him a bone, and that if he would just vote for someone, say FactionHeir, maybe we could continue. He read the second message and left. If he and I were mafia together, this would be quite an obvious move, reporting this to you. If you lynch White_eyes and he's guilty, I made a bad call and you can lynch me.

He's not willing to save himself. I think it's clear, since we have only a few hours remaining. Please, someone vote FactionHeir so the vote...

nevermind I was typing this he came back. :wall:

Like I said, if he's guilty, I take the blame and I'm willing to die. Toss him one round of benefit of the doubt, please.

No matter what happens I am pretty screwed, and I don't care. I think FH is guilty, and if he's not, I'll look really bad. If WhiteEyes is guilty, and I defended him, I'll also look bad. Even if I am right, Reenk and some others will just accuse me anyway. I don't care.

FactionHeir.

It's true because it rhymes.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

FH acts like he has this game all the time though. Now tell me this, if white_eyes was a townie, why would he be worried about being the detective's proxy in the thread? Now tell me, if white_eyes was a godfather, why would he be worried about being the detective's proxy in the thread? Then use Occam's razor.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fine.

If he turns up innocent, I hope you consider FactionHeir as a suspect.

unvote: FactionHeir
vote: White_eyes

At this point, I'm considering you, Sasaki. You've been far too kind to me all game. I don't buy it anymore.


White_eyes: 4 (GH,Sasaki, Diana, ATPG)
FactionHeir: 2 (El Diablo, White_eyes)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Diana: 1 (khaan)





:balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon:
Happy 6000th, to me.

[White_eyes:D]

Fine.

If he turns up innocent, I hope you consider FactionHeir as a suspect.

unvote: FactionHeir
vote: White_eyes

At this point, I'm considering you, Sasaki. You've been far too kind to me all game. I don't buy it anymore.





:balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon:
Happy 6000th, to me.
Your the one who told me to fight....now your voting for me????Unvote:Factionheir Vote:White_eyes:D and I am VERY upset with you ATPG...Reenk never once gave up trying to defend me....but you just fall over like a crappy mat....:furious3: and I agree with Reenk....lynch ATPG, ASAP.....he wavers his vote swiths sides then backstabs me in the end.....bravo:thumbsdown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I give up.

I don't care anymore.

unvote: white_eyes
vote: Abstain

I'd remind you, White_Eyes, that only the FINAL tally matters, and I wanted to see how you'd react to things.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No. I'm going to deal with this.

I'm sorry I listened to Sasaki over you, White_eyes.

unvote: abstain
vote: FactionHeir

It's no longer my call anyway. With White_eyes voting for himself and not much time left, you abstaining people have to make the call, or don't. If White_eyes goes down from a self-vote, that's no longer my problem.



White_eyes: 4 (GH,Sasaki, Diana, White_Eyes)
FactionHeir: 2 (El Diablo, Askthepizzaguy)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Diana: 1 (khaan)

[White_eyes:D]

No, I still call for ATPG to be lynched....even if I tie it someone is going to backstab me.....:furious3: (Can't trust anyone in this game.....so good riddence...):whip:

[Diana Abnoba]

I'm confused also, maybe this will be a mistake, but I don't think that any player that has a role(pro-town or mafia) would put a capper vote on himself/herself.

Unvote: White_eyes
Vote: Factionheir

[Askthepizzaguy]

:laugh4: That's gratitude for ya. I really, really stuck my neck out for you, White_eyes, when I could have remained silent and let you die.

I'll remember this next time I do you favors.

[pevergreen]

About 40 minutes to go, writeup won't come for possibly an hour after that, as dinner and doctor will come first.

As a note to you white_eyes, if you want to talk about backstabbing, take a look through my first mafia game here, CDTC.

I was selected as one of the three mafia dons, with GH and MRD (Major Robert Dump, cool guy :2thumbsup: as my luca and made respectively)

Night 1, my luca (bodyguard) dies. Night two or three my made dies. I get lynched day 3 or so.

There was a secret role that I was given information about in my pm. The Wolf. I was told that the Wolf was an ally of mine. To trust him etc. The wolf was Sasaki. He was the moderator at that time (which is why I said welcome back) so I listened to him and gave him the names of my made and luca.

As it turns out, his objective was to kill all the dons in the one night.

My role PM lied to me. Take that for backstabbing.

(And stop denying you are the wolf Sasaki!)

[Andres]

Are you guys all ignoring how Reenk, a confirmed innocent, accused GeneralHankerchief?

GeneralHankerchief who dismisses anything I say, because I'm scum, in the proces ignoring the fact that I'm interested in lynching the English mafia?

I tell you townies to lynch L_G. If he was innocent upon investigation, then he's the godfather.



You died. The last thing you saw before dying, was the little bear on your killers' handgun.

[Lord Winter]

Why should've the host given you the name of your killer, wouldn't that seriously unbalance the game?

[Andres]

Why should've the host given you the name of your killer, wouldn't that seriously unbalance the game?

:shrug:

[Lord Winter]

I have diffuclties lynching on a two sentences infalliable PM.

[White_eyes:D]

Why should've the host given you the name of your killer, wouldn't that seriously unbalance the game?

hmmm......your active at the end of the round....:inquisitive: Unvote:White_eyes:D Vote:Abstain I want to see want you will do......and who will say....."He's a Godfather he changed his vote.....":shrug:

[White_eyes:D]

If it's a tie is it a double lynch??:book: or will there be no lynch???

[Andres]

hmmm......your active at the end of the round....:inquisitive: Unvote:White_eyes:D Vote:Abstain I want to see want you will do......and who will say....."He's a Godfather he changed his vote.....":shrug:

He's a Godfather he changed his vote!

Good move, boss. Let them string up that other Godfather, LittleGrizzly.

Congratulations, townies :bow:

[White_eyes:D]

He's a Godfather he changed his vote!

Good move, boss. Let them string up that other Godfather, LittleGrizzly.

Congratulations, townies :bow:

Your not framing me Vote:White_eyes:D:furious3:

[Andres]

Your not framing me Vote:White_eyes:D:furious3:

Oh come on now, W_E, no one will believe you're my godfather. And if you would be a townie, then lynching yourself isn't a good move either.

[FactionHeir]

ATPG: Keep the pressure on me :grin:
As I pointed out earlier, I would be happy to post a role PM if I even had one. Failing that, its really just my word against yours, and its not going to get us anywhere.

Re:voting. I'm not sure what WE is doing. He's either hoping for a vote switcher role or he's suicidal or he's innocent.

Neither GH/WE nor Seamus seem to have explained why they publicized the N6 result yet though which is what I was asking earlier and seem to have been ignored.

[White_eyes:D]

*sighs*.....I am getting tired of this....but nothing I can do about it...Unvote:White_eyes:D Vote:FactionHeir:wall:

[White_eyes:D]

ATPG: Keep the pressure on me :grin:
As I pointed out earlier, I would be happy to post a role PM if I even had one. Failing that, its really just my word against yours, and its not going to get us anywhere.

Re:voting. I'm not sure what WE is doing. He's either hoping for a vote switcher role or he's suicidal or he's innocent.

Neither GH/WE nor Seamus seem to have explained why they publicized the N6 result yet though which is what I was asking earlier and seem to have been ignored.

N6 result?? what do you mean....??...I was too busy trying not to get lynched, and if no one else will do anything I can anwser that....:book:

[pevergreen]

*sighs*.....I am getting tired of this....but nothing I can do about it...Unvote:White_eyes:D Vote:FactionHeir:wall:

11 minutes too late.

writeup coming.

[White_eyes:D]

Then it's a tie? or did I miss something???:juggle2:

[pevergreen]

The day had come to a close, and pevergreen had finished his beautiful chicken sandwich. (it was really good!) As he was brought the vote tally, his eyes flashed red.

"Didn't I say not to have another tie?"


In light of my good friend Beefy's death yesterday, due to you lot, I'm going to spare both of these two. They should be thankful that I'm still sad. Next time it may not be so pretty.

"yes...I did. Whoever...created this tie. You shall suffer the blood of both men on your hands! :evilgrin:"

pevergreen pulled a knife out and slashed the necks of both White_Eyes and FactionHeir.

He looked at their bodies.

"Pity about Davey, I don't care for White Eyes though. His eyes werent white at all. What a liar."

"Whoever created this tie, -shut up ATPGuy, I was eating I didn't see!-, you shall also have an interesting day tomorrow. Thirteen people left really was unlucky. It seems 13 outweighs 7 in terms of luck."

Tomorrow. in adition to the normal vote for a lynch, Diana is a different vote. You vote to either keep her alive or kill her. She may not be voted for the normal lynch. The majority decision will deliver her fate. Please indicate your choice by

Life: Diana
or
Death: Diana

White_eyes: 3 (GH,Sasaki, White_Eyes)
FactionHeir: 3 (El Diablo, Askthepizzaguy, Diana)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Diana: 1 (khaan)


Alive:
Askthepizzaguy
LittleGrizzly
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Lord Winter
Seamus
serierkhaan
Diana Abnoba
boudica
Sigurd
El Diablo

Dead:
Publius Aelius Hadrianus
A Very Super Market
Jolt
taka
Polemists
gaelic cowboy
Alexander the Pretty Good
CountArach
Psychonaut
YLC
Captain Blackadder
greyblades
shlin28
Andres
Reenk Roink

Lynched:
Beefy187
F.C is the bees knees
777ares777
Ituralde
yoyoma1910
White Eyes
Factionheir

It is now Night 7. Orders within 23 hours please.

(Note: I am aware White Eyes unvoted to create the tie, but I count voting. :shrug: Thats the way I'm calling it. Also WE is dead. I did warn you.)

[FactionHeir]

Time to eat more shoes APTG :grin:

Just FYI, the reason I asked about N6 is because I submitted that result (as per writeup) so Seamus is lying to say that he got boudica N6.

[White_eyes:D]

(Note: I am aware White Eyes unvoted to create the tie, but I count voting. :shrug: Thats the way I'm calling it. Also WE is dead. I did warn you.)

*note to self...kill pevergreen next time I am Mafia....by having his evil twin come and slam a car door on his head, several times....:evilgrin:

:thinking2:

I feel much better now:grin2:

[White_eyes:D]

Time to eat more shoes APTG :grin:

Just FYI, the reason I asked about N6 is because I submitted that result (as per writeup) so Seamus is lying to say that he got boudica N6.

If this is true....then you would know who the third party is....who sent it to us...:grin:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Time to eat more shoes APTG :grin:

Just FYI, the reason I asked about N6 is because I submitted that result (as per writeup) so Seamus is lying to say that he got boudica N6.Shoes?

Care to explain more about the next part? Are you claiming that Davey was the detective?

If Seamus' reveal as the detective was fake, why didn't you say anything? Why didn't anyone pull me aside and ask me to change my vote or leave it on White_Eyes?

Now. I have a bone to pick with you two, and everyone who did not vote.
You can blame White_Eyes for voting himself before the end of the round again. I was sleeping at the time. I would have broken the tie myself if I was awake, as I've been doing all game, to prevent a double lynch. Now I see I was absolutely correct to do so, as it did result in a double lynch. You guys can blame me for this all you like; I'm the perfect scapegoat. Just remember, every abstain vote, every lurking player, every single person who voted, you're all equally responsible. I am one vote.

And I honestly don't know what you were trying to prove, White_Eyes. I gave you a chance to save yourself, and you killed yourself, FactionHeir, and probably me in the process. The good Samaritan gets stabbed in the back. Truly, truly, I made a mistake when I listened to Sasaki, but that pales in comparison to your performance last round. After I saved your butt again at my own expense, you declared I must be lynched. Then, the person who was most responsible for your own death was you.

And FactionHeir:


White_eyes: 3 (GH,Sasaki, White_Eyes)
FactionHeir: 3 (El Diablo, Askthepizzaguy, Diana)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Diana: 1 (khaan)

Who did you vote for, again? That's right, no vote. Why is any of this my fault? Explain.

Stop voting for yourselves, people. Yoyoma did this already and it proved nothing. White_Eyes did it, and unless I am mistaken, Davey is a pro-town role, is he not? So WE took down himself, an innocent townie (I was right about White_Eyes, Sasaki....) and FactionHeir in the process, the latter who did nothing to save himself, the former of which wants me lynched for trying to stop this nonsense. That makes even more sense. Are we not learning from our mistakes? If you're going to off yourself, don't wait until round 7. Thanks. And if you do, don't blame me for your own actions.

It seems to me this line:

(Note: I am aware White Eyes unvoted to create the tie, but I count voting. Thats the way I'm calling it. Also WE is dead. I did warn you.)

Indicates that the punishment for "creating the tie" falls on Diana, even though White_eyes actually created the tie. We will have to wait until tomorrow to see how many murders there were, and if it makes sense mathematically to lynch two players instead of one. However, I attempted to run the numbers, and I realized it was futile to try to do so. Unless you know which mafia family kills which player, when, and who gets lynched, you don't know if the extra player will come in handy or be a detriment.

You could take out two suspects in one round, but to me it seems to be a safer policy to let the mafia families kill one another off. Then you knock off half the mafia without even having to decide who was who... and you can decide which players remaining need to be lynched from there. At this point though, I am half asleep from my nap, and I need to crank up the thermostat and go back to bed. I'll ponder on this more in the morning. I'll end by saying I don't think another double lynch would be a good idea, and that's my opinion. I'm not thinking clearly, so I'll check to see if this makes sense after I get some rest.

At least I can find the sleeping smiley. I didn't know there was one. :sleeping:

[FactionHeir]

By the time I logged on, the round was already over anyway (note WE voting a minute after me and being told off by pever)
Plus I wouldn't have voted WE because I thought he was innocent, so it would still be a tie or me ending up dead because you guys really like pressure votes when there's nothing to pressure about.
And yes, I was detective/roleblocker/protector

Shoes as in you were claiming to suicide if you got yet another townie/pro town lynched. Congrats :grin:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You were online today, were you not, FactionHeir? ANY vote would have saved your life.

Yesterday 18:58 (my time) you were active. But yeah, blame me. And you would have let yourself die because you think White_eyes was innocent, when you had a pro-town role. That makes sense.

You'll forgive me if I don't compound this atrocity of an error by suiciding or advocating another double lynch, and forgive me if I don't take all the blame. This time, you cannot blame me. I was not the one responsible. I admit my mistakes, this was yours.

Good night, and good luck.

[FactionHeir]

At the time I was last online, I didn't actually have any vote on me. By the time I woke up this morning (i.e. 8 hours later), I was already up for the lynch without opportunity for vote change.
As I said, only voting WE could have saved me, but back then (and now still) I don't think GH's post would/should have warranted a vote on WE.

Given that then it was simply a bandwagon on WE, you'll excuse me for not jumping on it like the rest of you when I did not have a single vote on me.

[LittleGrizzly]

Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
The white eyes lynch seems good but im not 100% sure on it... i guess since this is the seventh vote on him so it seals the deal...

I really hope you turn up guilty...

I still think we should lynch boudica... Infact i pretty much agree with sasaki just replace sasaki for LG as the other suspect...

Vote White Eyes :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
My vote shall stay on White Eyes anyway... either scum or extraordinarily bad townie..

Boudica probably innocent now but sasaki is on my suspect list strongly still..

Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
Unvote White Eyes

Im not completely convinced of his guilt..

Ill default to my second best suspect... Vote Sasaki

Care to explain your thought process here grizz?

White eyes goes from "seem a good lynch" to "either scum or extraordinarily bad townie" to "not completely convinced of his guilt"--> is that really a reason for unvoting someone?

I was unconvinced by the White Eye's lynch, it all seemed a bit too easy combined with Reenk
protesting the kill, so you went all out and helped get a townie lynched! and i tried to lynch someone scummy instead... and i am supposedly the scum :dizzy2:


Boudica goes from "I think we should lynch boudica" to "Boudica probably innocent now".

Same thought process that helped me reconsider my position on WE, infact don't you constantly accuse ATPG of not re looking at his case, changing his mind to fit new circumstances...

I decided that out of the remaining players Boudica is not a top priority lynch... also those detective results helped...

Next round we should lynch Sasaki!!

[Seamus Fermanagh]

There was a secret role that I was given information about in my pm. The Wolf. I was told that the Wolf was an ally of mine. To trust him etc. The wolf was Sasaki. He was the moderator at that time (which is why I said welcome back) so I listened to him and gave him the names of my made and luca.

As it turns out, his objective was to kill all the dons in the one night.

My role PM lied to me. Take that for backstabbing.

(And stop denying you are the wolf Sasaki!)

The Wolf was given a choice: To aid the mafia victory OR to bring about that victory while taking out all of the other dons and claiming cdtc for himself. This was NOT an absolute for the Wolf.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

ATPG: Keep the pressure on me :grin:
As I pointed out earlier, I would be happy to post a role PM if I even had one. Failing that, its really just my word against yours, and its not going to get us anywhere.

Re:voting. I'm not sure what WE is doing. He's either hoping for a vote switcher role or he's suicidal or he's innocent.

Neither GH/WE nor Seamus seem to have explained why they publicized the N6 result yet though which is what I was asking earlier and seem to have been ignored.

I was never in direct contact with either GH or WE as that would have contravened the rules. Once WE tossed out all the info -- "spiting" the town does bug me by the way -- it just seemed to be more practical to reveal and get the info and sequencing out properly.

As I have said, I have absolute trust in neither -- I just know they weren't grunts or SKs. The reason I picked TWO and not ONE was simple. I might be passing info to a GF, but the odds of both of them being GFs were really slim (2.63%), so I was reasonably certain that I was not giving my info only to the enemy.

Both cooperated on the destruction of Ituralde -- which does not preclude the possibility that one IS a GF and was gleefully killing a rival mafioso OR reluctantly sacrificing one of his own to retain cover.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The Wolf was given a choice: To aid the mafia victory OR to bring about that victory while taking out all of the other dons and claiming cdtc for himself. This was NOT an absolute for the Wolf.

I didn't betray any mafia in that game...was just bad luck the way pever's family imploded. Then when I saw he suspected me I sent him a pm in broken english with no caps claiming I'd betrayed him so that when he posted it in the thread as proof I could claim he made it up :juggle2:


Same thought process that helped me reconsider my position on WE, infact don't you constantly accuse ATPG of not re looking at his case, changing his mind to fit new circumstances...

I decided that out of the remaining players Boudica is not a top priority lynch... also those detective results helped...

I doesn't look like your thought process was genuine. Explain the thought process please. You "decided" she wasn't top priority? That's not what you said, you said "boudica is probably innocent". Why would the detective results help? Godfather's turn up innocent. I think you got off the white_eyes wagon because you thought you might look bad if he turned up townie.

[Reenk Roink]

You can blame White_Eyes for voting himself before the end of the round again. I was sleeping at the time. I would have broken the tie myself if I was awake, as I've been doing all game, to prevent a double lynch. Now I see I was absolutely correct to do so, as it did result in a double lynch. You guys can blame me for this all you like; I'm the perfect scapegoat. Just remember, every abstain vote, every lurking player, every single person who voted, you're all equally responsible. I am one vote.

And I honestly don't know what you were trying to prove, White_Eyes. I gave you a chance to save yourself, and you killed yourself, FactionHeir, and probably me in the process. The good Samaritan gets stabbed in the back. Truly, truly, I made a mistake when I listened to Sasaki, but that pales in comparison to your performance last round. After I saved your butt again at my own expense, you declared I must be lynched. Then, the person who was most responsible for your own death was you.

And FactionHeir:

Quote:
White_eyes: 3 (GH,Sasaki, White_Eyes)
FactionHeir: 3 (El Diablo, Askthepizzaguy, Diana)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Diana: 1 (khaan)
Who did you vote for, again? That's right, no vote. Why is any of this my fault? Explain.

Stop voting for yourselves, people. Yoyoma did this already and it proved nothing. White_Eyes did it, and unless I am mistaken, Davey is a pro-town role, is he not? So WE took down himself, an innocent townie (I was right about White_Eyes, Sasaki....) and FactionHeir in the process, the latter who did nothing to save himself, the former of which wants me lynched for trying to stop this nonsense. That makes even more sense. Are we not learning from our mistakes? If you're going to off yourself, don't wait until round 7. Thanks. And if you do, don't blame me for your own actions.

O please Atpg, I can't believe you're making yourself out to be "right" about WE, when you seemed so unsure you unovted and voted him so many times. Had you not done that, WE wouldn't have gone bat**** crazy and would be alive right now.

I also think it is interesting that you were the one who fell hardest for my FH trap. I never suspected FH, just put him out there to see which people would jump on my case as I am innocent and pro town. You fell for it.

Your constant vote changing, gunning for any target other than yourself, and then trying to make yourself look clean, have really opened my eyes.

Atpg is a better suspect now then GH.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Can't sleep... looks like 4 hours will have to do for now.

LittleGrizzly and Sasaki; your one-track rivalry all game smells like an act. Surely you would have gotten tired of one another not being lynched and moved on to more productive conversation by now. I think you guys should start working on other suspects, even if you continue to vote for one another. Voting for one another over and over when no one else is doing so... that's basically the same thing as abstaining, and it's not productive in my opinion, but do as you wish.

Sasaki: I'm not convinced by your case on LG. I rather think you could be a godfather or a henchman at this rate, there's no reason why not, and you're good enough to have avoided detection by being less inquisitorial over everyone and focusing on just LG, not to mention defending me all game (after round one). I appreciate the sincere effort, if it is sincere, but... methinks it's insincere.




@Reenk-

If you say so. I already stated that I'm not a murderer nor a godfather, and that you were a likely choice regardless of whether I was accusing you or not, and it would have been the perfect time to finally get me lynched. But we are just rehashing old arguments, and not adding anything new. You suspect me, that is fine, I can live with that. If I die, so be it. Clever tactics by the mafia this game.

[LittleGrizzly]

I doesn't look like your thought process was genuine. Explain the thought process please.

If you are referring to WE it went something like....

Case and other posts made against WE, was pretty much buying it... i didn't have much else in mind apart from voting you so this seemed like a better option...

Several players jump on WE bandwagon easily and one or two people start to stick up for WE, i think im being led too easily and my vote will almost surely ensure WE's is lynched... so i have second thought and revert to my 2nd suspect...

If you mean Boudica it was mainly the detective result....

You "decided" she wasn't top priority? That's not what you said, you said "boudica is probably innocent". Why would the detective results help? Godfather's turn up innocent.

If someone comes up innocent theres is only 1 bad role they can have... Godfather... so if wen were going to stick with a mathmatical way of looking at it then boudica being cleared of being a henchman means she probably is innocent... as the chance of her being a godfather are quite small... so my statement is correct is you want to technically define the thing...

TBH i don't think she is a godfather....

As i see it i don't see why my mind changing on Boudica would indicate my guilt at all!

At worst because we both have innocent results... we are both godfathers... in which case i wouldn't know what boudica is so i wouldn't care to indicate her guilt or defend her...

In other words your battering a bit of a pointless angle with the boudica slant your now taking...

You "decided" she wasn't top priority? That's not what you said, you said "boudica is probably innocent".

If someone isn't top priority for the lynch (in my personal list) then its because i think they are probably innocent....

If someone is (imo) probably innocent then they would not be my top priority for the lynch...

The sentences are quite different but both mean something very similar!

LittleGrizzly and Sasaki; your one-track rivalry all game smells like an act. Surely you would have gotten tired of one another not being lynched and moved on to more productive conversation by now. I think you guys should start working on other suspects, even if you continue to vote for one another. Voting for one another over and over when no one else is doing so... that's basically the same thing as abstaining, and it's not productive in my opinion, but do as you wish.

Maybe its little unproductive... or maybe the town would have done a whole lot better taking my lead and lynching sasaki instead of an innocent townie and a pro town role!!!

not to mention defending me all game

Does this seem like sasaki to you... ?

or does it just seem like sasaki is trying to keep you onside...?

This is not sasaki townie behaviour!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Doesn't seem like Sasaki to me at all. People can change strategies, though. I just would like to see more suspects than just you, LG, even if he does vote for you.

Happy birthday, by the way.


:balloon: :balloon2: :balloon3:

[LittleGrizzly]

Happy birthday, by the way.

Shhh! you trying to get me lynched!! ~;)

thanks...

Back on topic... why would sasaki do this ??

We are down to a limited number of people... if sasaki can keep up the back and fore with me for a few days and use that as cover whilst the last remaining innocents are taken out...

Maybe he thought i would be an easy enough target in that i wouldn't put much suspicion back on him... or maybe he thought i wouldn't be a good enough lynch so i wouldn't attract enough votes and he could never be proven to be making a case against an innocent...

Whatever sasaki is up to i am getting very strong scum vibes from him... i will be genuinely suprised if sasaki turns out not to be scum....

[ULC]

Hmmm...going with Reenk and WE on this one...

FoS: ATPG and Sasaki

GH took a huge risk by revealing like that, but, if he suspected WE, then why not come out with it earlier? The longer the delay, the greater the decrease in victory if one is protown.

Still, lets lynch ATPG and keep him honest, eh? ATPG never shuts up, dead or alive, so lets be done with it! I want an ATPG I can trust :wink:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Can't sleep... looks like 4 hours will have to do for now.

LittleGrizzly and Sasaki; your one-track rivalry all game smells like an act. Surely you would have gotten tired of one another not being lynched and moved on to more productive conversation by now. I think you guys should start working on other suspects, even if you continue to vote for one another. Voting for one another over and over when no one else is doing so... that's basically the same thing as abstaining, and it's not productive in my opinion, but do as you wish.



I can see I'm not making much headway,which is why I dropped him and went for someone else yesterday. At this point it's pretty obvious that everyone is just skimming the back and forth between us, which is frankly ridiculous.


If someone isn't top priority for the lynch (in my personal list) then its because i think they are probably innocent....

If someone is (imo) probably innocent then they would not be my top priority for the lynch...

The sentences are quite different but both mean something very similar!

Would you just read this? How many times does he have to change his story before anyone takes notice?


I still think we should lynch boudica...

Boudica probably innocent now

I questioned him on this, and he said:


I decided that out of the remaining players Boudica is not a top priority lynch... also those detective results helped...

So there was some main reason he decided that boudica was not a priority, and also those detective results helped. But when I asked to him to explain, he doesn't give a main reason, he just talks about the detective results. And if there's someone you think should be lynched, and they get revealed as innocent, then you want to lynch them more, not less. Because lynching the godfather is far more important than lynching a henchmen.

I pointed out that "not a top priority" and "probably innocent" are not in anyway the same thing. And he says they are. They aren't.

Now to get what I'm saying you'd have to read back over the post and you guys are obviously too busy. But LG is displaying the mafia tell that I call "lying through his teeth". Earlier he claimed he was pro town because he was pushing his original case on alexander when everyone else was making bad choices. That was also a lie. People who lie are usually mafia. Every single response by little grizzly to an accusation of mine has involved him changing his story or making something up. I believe I'll make a grand summary, will wait till tomorrow though, see if LG gets capped.

And pizza, remember rule #3.

In summary, I request that if you haven't carefully read the back and forth starting several days ago, you kindly stop ******** about it being a "way for LG and sasaki to hide". 1) it's very noticable, 2) As mafia it's not something I do and 3) there are MULTIPLE mafia families. In games with multiple mafia families, mafia try their BEST to lynch each other.

Put in the effort or don't say anything at all.

[LittleGrizzly]

I say we resist the urge to go for the pizza man also, at least for the moment there is nothing to make us suspect him more than anyone else!

Seriously look at the first few rounds... if pizza is godfather he doesn't have a brass pair... it would be a solid diamond pair... of course he could have set it up because he's usually lynched and it needs to at least look close...

It would be way too ballsy a move for a godfather... though i guess i wouldn't rule him out as a henchman...

Edit: sasaki do you have to make your big case and post it whilst im constructing my post!!

Resposne coming below... give me like 10 minutes...

[Askthepizzaguy]

O please Atpg, I can't believe you're making yourself out to be "right" about WE, when you seemed so unsure you unovted and voted him so many times. Had you not done that, WE wouldn't have gone bat**** crazy and would be alive right now.

What White_eyes did is none of my responsibility, and none of my business. I was foolish enough to think his temper and his acting out and his suicidal vote had something to do with innocence. So I tried to get someone who was acting much more inconspicuous lynched. I was right about White_Eyes being innocent, and imagine that, FactionHeir had a role, too. And he could have stopped this, anyone here could have prevented this.


I also think it is interesting that you were the one who fell hardest for my FH trap. I never suspected FH, just put him out there to see which people would jump on my case as I am innocent and pro town. You fell for it.

Excuse me? You were revealed as a pro-town role, Reenk. Now you're blaming me for listening to you? And like I scolded YLC before for doing so, I came up with my suspects independently. Just because they coincided with yours, that does not mean I was listening to you (back then). I was making my own case and judgments based on in-thread behavior. I fell for nothing, and you just won't let it go that you got murdered, and you want to blame the person you've had the most friction with all game... which is perfectly natural, but it's not always the most productive idea. At this point, you've stopped caring about other suspects.


Your constant vote changing, gunning for any target other than yourself, and then trying to make yourself look clean, have really opened my eyes.

Constant vote changing makes one look suspicious, and I did it anyway, with reasons. I gunned for EVERY target this game, including myself round one, and by asking for votes taken off of boudica when we were tied, and then sticking my neck out for white_eyes on a hunch that turned out to be correct.

Blah. This whole argument is pointless. I said I'd consider voting for who you called a suspect; factionheir. I can't believe I trusted you.

[Andres]

Relax, relax, just take a deep breath and listen to what I have to say:

LittleGrizzly killed me last night and he came up innocent upon investigation, which means he's the English Godfather.

He should be lynched. It's top priority. And no, the Irish mafia won't be so kind to kill him for you. Town should do its' own dirty work.

[Reenk Roink]

If you say so. I already stated that I'm not a murderer nor a godfather, and that you were a likely choice regardless of whether I was accusing you or not, and it would have been the perfect time to finally get me lynched. But we are just rehashing old arguments, and not adding anything new. You suspect me, that is fine, I can live with that. If I die, so be it. Clever tactics by the mafia this game.

No, Atpg, did you even read my post. Because this is yet another misrepresentation, intentional or not.

I am suspicious with the way in which you kept changing your vote on WE and then later claiming that you were "right" about him being innocent which is absolutely not the case, as your probably did more to damn him than anyone but GH. I think you took a wishy washy position to say you could be right both ways. :no:

Then I am suspicious of the fact that you went for my trap choice in FH. You said GH had no evidence against him, but then you went for FH who I just said something to the effect that I went "Hmmm." That is not a reason you would take to vote for someone.

Then you later made a case that Fh had no pressure on him conveniently ignoring the exact same is true for GH, who actually admitted this himself.

These are not rehashed arguments of getting me killed. That case is already self evident and has been made. Dismissing them as such makes you look more suspicious...

Re: lynching Atpg doesn't prove his innocence at all either unless pever confirms. In this game being killed or being lynched alone doesn't mean squat.

Right the wrongs town, lynch Aptg and GH both. :rtwno:

To me, it definitely seems like the former just cares about anyone but himself being lynched so he surpasses Gh on the suspect list.

[Reenk Roink]

Relax, relax, just take a deep breath and listen to what I have to say:

LittleGrizzly killed me last night and he came up innocent upon investigation, which means he's the English Godfather.

He should be lynched. It's top priority. And no, the Irish mafia won't be so kind to kill him for you. Town should do its' own dirty work.

??? :huh:

Can someone tell me who or what Andres is and if we should believe him?

[Andres]

??? :huh:

Can someone tell me who or what Andres is and if we should believe him?

I was an Irish mafia grunt. On the night I died, the host sent me a clue about my killer. It was LittleGrizzly. Since he came up as innocent upon investigation, he has to be the Godfather of the English mafia.

Lynch him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Still, lets lynch ATPG and keep him honest, eh? ATPG never shuts up, dead or alive, so lets be done with it! I want an ATPG I can trust :wink:


It would be way too ballsy a move for a godfather... though i guess i wouldn't rule him out as a henchman

As it is late in the game, and I offered to suicide if Reenk got lynched, and I invited death on myself round one, and in several other rounds, etc... I see no reason at this late juncture to throw the game away to satisfy the "must make sure ATPG is innocent" curiosity anymore. I am a viable lynch target next round, and I have no complaints with that. But at this point, the courtesy has expired. You either trust me or you lynch me. I'll not repeat yoyoma's and white_eyes' mistake. That's all done for this game.

In short: Tough cheese. If town wants to lynch me, that's their choice. I won't shoot the town in the foot when we have viable suspects now. That was the reason why I wanted to die EARLY so I wouldn't have to deal with this *expletive deleted*


Re: lynching Atpg doesn't prove his innocence at all either unless pever confirms. In this game being killed or being lynched alone doesn't mean squat.

This sounds like you're baiting me. Every role in this game has had a name. It even says so in the rules. You're seriously not even paying attention anymore, in my opinion.

[Askthepizzaguy]

??? :huh:

Can someone tell me who or what Andres is and if we should believe him?

He's Joey, a named character from the play, and suspected mafia, since most of the other roles have been accounted for. Suspected Irish mafia, because his name comes from the play, whereas the English mafia's name does not.

[Reenk Roink]

Never trust Andres as a dead Mafia... :laugh4: LG maybe should get the axe after Atpg and Gh.

Atpg, you have dug your own grave by trying to come off as WE savior when in reality WE himself has contested that. You vote changing flies in the face of any claim you actually though WE was innocent. You merely piggybacked on the arguments of others. You fell for the FH trick, showing that you are basically willing to gun for any suspect. Deny it all you wish, the evidence is there.

Anyone find it odd that Atpg only unvoted for WE after enough unvoting of him took place? He was quick on the bandwagon and was online the entire time, just waiting for the perfect moment.

Re: Accusations of me gunning for one target. Actually 2, no 3. Also, pot meet kettle. :laugh4:

Re: Accusations of me not paying attention, please. :rolleyes: I've obviously payed too much attention for your comfort :wink:...

[LittleGrizzly]

God damnit my case just dissapeered!!!
]dropped the mouse on the floor!!

Let me just say if i am english godfather than irish mafia would take me out tonight no questions asked, the fact he says they wont only proves his lie!

No need for the town to deal with me, as english godfather i should be agreat threat to irish mafia, with andres one of thier grunts confirming this to them they would take me out straight away

So one way or the other, if through my death or still being alive tomorrow... Andres shall be proven a liar!

now to make my case against sasaki... again!!

[Andres]

You fell for the FH trick, showing that you are basically willing to gun for any suspect. Deny it all you wish, the evidence is there.



Yes, the "FactionHeir trick", it means: "If you vote a mafioso and your vote helps to get said mafioso lynched, then you will be lynched in the next round!"

:laugh4:

I bow for your skills, Don Roink :bow:

[ULC]

What I think is hilarious is that we still have 6 roles out there, with what, 11 players left?

Thats a little over a 54% accuracy rate on accusing someone of having a role, and a 36% accuracy rate on someone having a mafia role.

2 die tonight, which results in the chances of someone having a role varying from 44-67%, and being mafia 22-44%.

I find it interesting Sigurd hasn't been WoGged yet.
I find it interesting that LG won't stop acting like he is being persectuted.
I find it interesting that ATPG took my post seriously.
I find it interesting that Seireikhaan has been as helpful as the cat he tried to claim to be.
I find it interesting that FH claims to be a detective and voiced a concern about the N6 investigation, which is contrary to what Seamus and GH assert.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Reenk:

I'll paraphrase your sentiments from Godfather III: "It's a good thing you don't have a vote anymore"

Mmm... deliciously ironic. I was going to be your proxy vote, but after the FactionHeir debacle, and your single-mindedness about my death; whatever.

[Reenk Roink]

Reenk:

I'll paraphrase your sentiments from Godfather III: "It's a good thing you don't have a vote anymore"

Mmm... deliciously ironic. I was going to be your proxy vote, but after the FactionHeir debacle, and your single-mindedness about my death; whatever.

You were wrong about that too. :laugh4:

And you weren't going to be my proxy vote Atpg, both of use know that. You are too opinionated to simply take someone else's word. Which is why the FH thing sticks out even more...

edit: Davey isn't Mafia any more than Donney is :wink:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I find it interesting that FH claims to be a detective and voiced a concern about the N6 investigation, which is contrary to what Seamus and GH assert.

My understanding is that FH said he sent the message, not seamus. But that doesn't mean that seamus can't have investigated boudica as well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You were wrong about that too. :laugh4:

edit: Davey isn't Mafia any more than Donney is :wink:

I said they had roles. I didn't say they were mafia. And, I said they were probably pro-town roles, too.

And yes, I was wrong in Godfather, as you're wrong now. That was the irony I was getting at. Our positions are exactly reversed from that game. Now I know just how much of a pain in the neck I can be, if it is any consolation. Now you've misconstrued my posts as much or more than I have of yours, and we aren't getting anywhere. You say I'm scum, I say I'm a townie. Let the votes decide.


And you weren't going to be my proxy vote Atpg, both of use know that. You are too opinionated to simply take someone else's word. Which is why the FH thing sticks out even more...

I was already CountArach's proxy vote this game. I asked GeneralHankerchief to give me a suspect earlier on, he declined. I have all but offered YLC my proxy vote. I basically DID proxy vote for you.

All of these people can confirm it. Then, I tossed in my own suspects as well, because I am opinionated.

[Reenk Roink]

I said they had roles. I didn't say they were mafia. And, I said they were probably pro-town roles, too.

And yes, I was wrong in Godfather, as you're wrong now. That was the irony I was getting at. Our positions are exactly reversed from that game. Now I know just how much of a pain in the neck I can be, if it is any consolation. Now you've misconstrued my posts as much or more than I have of yours, and we aren't getting anywhere. You say I'm scum, I say I'm a townie. Let the votes decide.

Talking to Andres with the Davey comment. Andres obviously is a master obfuscator after death as Mafia. Can we put mods on ignore. :grin:

For the second part: ~:grouphug:

[LittleGrizzly]

Quote:
If someone isn't top priority for the lynch (in my personal list) then its because i think they are probably innocent....

If someone is (imo) probably innocent then they would not be my top priority for the lynch...

The sentences are quite different but both mean something very similar!
Would you just read this? How many times does he have to change his story before anyone takes notice?

It makes perfect bloody sense!!

Anyone with half a mind can't understand this so i can only assume you are being deliberately obtuse!

if i think someone is innocent they are not going to be my top priority for a lynch.... that sentence makes perfect sense... it would be stupid if someone i thought was innocent was my top priority for the lynch

If someone isn't my top priority for the lynch then i probably think they are innocent... that sentence makes perfect sense also... it would be stupid if someone was my top priority for the lynch but i thought they were innocent

So your going to have to explain yoyur confusion, its makes perfect sense to me...

Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
I still think we should lynch boudica...

Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
Boudica probably innocent now

I questioned him on this, and he said:


Quote:
I decided that out of the remaining players Boudica is not a top priority lynch... also those detective results helped...
So there was some main reason he decided that boudica was not a priority, and also those detective results helped. But when I asked to him to explain, he doesn't give a main reason, he just talks about the detective results.

The detective results were the main reason, badly worded i know. the rest of it comes down to the same reason i changed my mind on white eyes, seen as that worked out right for me with white eyes why not follow my gut on boudica too ?

if there's someone you think should be lynched, and they get revealed as innocent, then you want to lynch them more, not less. Because lynching the godfather is far more important than lynching a henchmen.

True they may be a higher priority lynch but they are also alot less likely to be any kind of scum if they could only be the godfather!

Ansd like i said it wasn't just the detective results... gut ect...

I pointed out that "not a top priority" and "probably innocent" are not in anyway the same thing. And he says they are. They aren't.

Sasaki continues to hammer on about this point even though i have clearly explained it 6 ways from sunday, he is not too stupid to understand my point, he is deliberately hammering it home in the hope someone will finally go along with his badly built case and forget my simple explanation

Now to get what I'm saying you'd have to read back over the post and you guys are obviously too busy.

Please I personally ask every innocent perso in this thread to look back over me and sasaki's exchange!!

You will see him produce a case far from his usual good standard, a case full of half truths flat out lies and quite simply terrible logic... way off sasaki's usual level of performance!

Earlier he claimed he was pro town because he was pushing his original case on alexander when everyone else was making bad choices.

They were bad choices!!

Reenk has since been proven to be town... so im making a bad choice by not voting this townie... LIES!

ATPG you have defended yourself... so im making a bad choice by not voting someone you belive to be innocent and who everyone else is voting for just because of pizza's usual wifom...... LIES!

That was also a lie.

LIES!

People who lie are usually mafia.

QFT!

Sasaki has repeatedly lied and spread half truths in an attempt to lynch me, Sasaki must be scum it is the only thing that can explian his strange behaviour this game!

I urge the town to read sasaki posts very carefully! see the repeated errors he makes!

Sasaki is very likely scum!

Every single response by little grizzly to an accusation of mine has involved him changing his story or making something up.

This is wrong, it is infact your posts that have contained lies and misdirection!

will wait till tomorrow though, see if LG gets capped.

Capped = Killed ?

It wouldn't be terrible if i did get killed, proving my innocence would go a long way to proving your guilt, a townie for possible scum is a fair trade...

I think you are the thing keeping me alive... mafia dont tend to go for suspects... and your keeping me on the suspect list so your keeping me alive...

Although if Andres was telling the truth i probably would die tonight...can't see why a mafia family wouldn't kill the other familys head... unless they are lieing!

find it interesting that LG won't stop acting like he is being persectuted.

I am bloody being persucuted!!

(in a im still having fun and not getting pissed off with the game kind of way incase anyone is worried about upsetting me)

One is Sasaki who for reasons unknown to me decided i was scum off misreading several of my posts and then maintaining that his reading of my posts was the correct one rather than my meaning behind them!!

And now some dead scum has decided he has it in for me for some reason...

All this and its getting to late in the game for me to just let myself die, i wasn't really paying much attention in th beginning but the innocents are going to be outnumbered by scum fairly soon, and i think we would be a lot better off is WE and FH fought thier case of innocence as much as i have mine!

[White_eyes:D]

I find it interesting that FH claims to be a detective and voiced a concern about the N6 investigation, which is contrary to what Seamus and GH assert.

Not to meation, no one has said who the third party is (meaning there both lying:no:)....and I think GH is a Godfather....why? well...like I told EVERYONE...the message system of which I PM'ed him three times, left him with the perfect scapegoat......and Sasaki and ATPG seem to be at the center of it...those could be his grunts....and well chosen as well...:sweatdrop: Sasaki also used the "Worst rule in Mafia" saying I was likely scum....and "swaying ATPG's vote" which is totally a Mafia partner in crisis....:smash:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Reenk: :shakehands: ~:grouphug:

You're still awesome, by the way. Keep the pressure on me, too. I rather enjoy being hammered for a change. I applaud the effort. Just do me a favor and hammer other people too, that's my only request.


Edit: LG: Those posts are hard to read. Please use quote tags on dialogue that is quoted. Just higlight and hit the "word balloon" button.

[FactionHeir]

My understanding is that FH said he sent the message, not seamus. But that doesn't mean that seamus can't have investigated boudica as well.

I hadn't thought of that this way actually, good thinking Sasaki. :bow:

Btw, I still blame ATPG for voting me and not unvoting :yes: Especially because as I said I could not have averted it because I didn't have any votes on me before I went to sleep outside of jumping on a bandwagon on WE who already had some 7 votes on him.

In regards to suspects, I think GH, LG and ATPG are pretty high on the list.

[Andres]

Although if Andres was telling the truth i probably would die tonight...can't see why a mafia family wouldn't kill the other familys head... unless they are lieing!

Nope, Don Grizzly. If the English mafia is taken out, there's only one kill left each night. As it stands now, odds that you kill my Godfather are low. You do know it takes two attempts, don't you? Or are you a weak Godfather?

Of course, if the game continues, we'll eventually have to kill you ourselves. But if town is happy to let a confirmed Godfather run around freely, counting on the word of a dead scumbag that his living teammates will do it for them, well...

For all they know, you are MY Godfather :2thumbsup:

[White_eyes:D]

Sasaki has repeatedly lied and spread half truths in an attempt to lynch me, Sasaki must be scum it is the only thing that can explian his strange behaviour this game!

I urge the town to read sasaki posts very carefully! see the repeated errors he makes!

Sasaki is very likely scum!

Every single response by little grizzly to an accusation of mine has involved him changing his story or making something up.

This is wrong, it is infact your posts that have contained lies and misdirection!

will wait till tomorrow though, see if LG gets capped.

Capped = Killed ?

It wouldn't be terrible if i did get killed, proving my innocence would go a long way to proving your guilt, a townie for possible scum is a fair trade...

I think you are the thing keeping me alive... mafia dont tend to go for suspects... and your keeping me on the suspect list so your keeping me alive...

Although if Andres was telling the truth i probably would die tonight...can't see why a mafia family wouldn't kill the other familys head... unless they are lieing!

Most of this is true....Sasaki has been pushing for peole's lynchs....but not in the area of (ATPG,GH,Seamus) because he knows bring a case against them would be hard(or there his Mafia buddys)....Sasaki is just playing town:smash: you can tell by how he is playing...IT'S VERY BAD...not one scumbag lynched on his advice....Only, LYNCH LG.....and that's it...:shrug: it's like he is looking for a easy target to lynch....:inquisitive:

[boudica]

I agree with your list there Faction Heir - Add Reenk Roink to it and I'd make a short bet that we have 4 mafia roles right there. Question @ Diana Abnoba (and this is purely an in-game question!) Has Askthepizzaguy been acting as if he's keeping something from you? :laugh4:

[LittleGrizzly]

Andres then why should the town waste a lynch of me if your are not lieing ? surely the town should make you waste your kill instead ?

And this is the huge flaw in Andres logic, if i truely was godfather just kill me off quietly in a turn or two, announcing it to the town will make them wonder why mafia didn't kill him himself, there is always a risk your godfather could die.... but the fact is theres no risk from me... and am no godfather

Andres came in here to save one of his own from the lynch!

Theres too many holes in his logic for him to be telling the truth... hes encouraging the town to more useless lynches!!

WE im sorry i didn't believe you straight away, though i did take my vote off you before you were lynched!

But WE (a proven innocent) is 100% accurate on sasaki this game!

Leading the town astray, directing the lynches of innocents!!

[Reenk Roink]

I agree with your list there Faction Heir - Add Reenk Roink to it and I'd make a short bet that we have 4 mafia roles right there. Question @ Diana Abnoba (and this is purely an in-game question!) Has Askthepizzaguy been acting as if he's keeping something from you? :laugh4:

:wall:

This is shaping up to a fantastic finish though. :2thumbsup: Great game! :bow:

[White_eyes:D]

WE im sorry i didn't believe you straight away, though i did take my vote off you before you were lynched!

But WE (a proven innocent) is 100% accurate on sasaki this game!

Leading the town astray, directing the lynches of innocents!!
......Lynch LG next round....and then lynch Sasaki and if it still does not end....kill everyone else...:smash:

Edit: I don't get it??? you think I am right but then I am not???.....

[ULC]

Are we so charismatic and forceful, dear Reenk, that the rest of the players must dig up ours bodies in some vain attempt to kill us again?

[boudica]

:wall:

This is shaping up to a fantastic finish though. :2thumbsup: Great game! :bow:

Oh Yeah! - sorry forgot you were Mairead

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think this game might be a record for most information produced without anything useful coming out of it. -On the Mafia game; Godfather 3

Think this game may even beat godfather 3 judging on everything that's gone on before day one. -On the Mafia game; The Settlement

My brain hurts. A lot. -On the Mafia game; The Fight for Inishmore


Pay attention, Askthepizzaguy!

Pay attention, Reenk Roink!

Pay attention, boudica!
-People paying close attention on the mafia game; The Fight for Inishmore

[boudica]

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
:inquisitive:
prevote: Askthepizzaguy

[Reenk Roink]

Are we so charismatic and forceful, dear Reenk, that the rest of the players must dig up ours bodies in some vain attempt to kill us again?

:laugh4: I guess I can't be too mad at boudica. :grin:

Although I'm just a tomboyish girl. Don't know what the deal is. :laugh4:

[Diana Abnoba]

I agree with your list there Faction Heir - Add Reenk Roink to it and I'd make a short bet that we have 4 mafia roles right there. Question @ Diana Abnoba (and this is purely an in-game question!) Has Askthepizzaguy been acting as if he's keeping something from you? :laugh4:

I can interrogate him if you would like :wink:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So your going to have to explain yoyur confusion, its makes perfect sense to me...

You can only have one top priority. There is more than one mafia. I'm your top priority you've made it clear (by tomorrow I'll go back and show how your suspicion of me is entirely in response to my case on you, but that's an aside) so are you saying that everyone who isn't me is "probably innocent"?



The detective results were the main reason, badly worded i know.

Ok. I say "changing your story because it was made up the first time" you say "badly worded i know". Townies are more likely to get their main reasons correct than mafioso.




Earlier he claimed he was pro town because he was pushing his original case on alexander when everyone else was making bad choices.

They were bad choices!!

Reenk has since been proven to be town... so im making a bad choice by not voting this townie... LIES!

ATPG you have defended yourself... so im making a bad choice by not voting someone you belive to be innocent and who everyone else is voting for just because of pizza's usual wifom...... LIES!

No Lg. You trying to convince people that you were townie, and the reason you used was that you had made a an original case on alexander, and that you had told the town not to lynch reenk and pizza, which mafia wouldn't do. Both of those are false. Here is your "original case" on alexander:


Vote ATPGood

Needs to catch up in posting with his similarly named .orger!



Sasaki has repeatedly lied and spread half truths in an attempt to lynch me, Sasaki must be scum it is the only thing that can explian his strange behaviour this game!

One, I haven't lied. Two, you just played settlement with me where you warned me off TinCow. As a townie you would know that the second part of your statement is an exaggeration.





find it interesting that LG won't stop acting like he is being persectuted.

I am bloody being persucuted!!

(in a im still having fun and not getting pissed off with the game kind of way incase anyone is worried about upsetting me)

One is Sasaki who for reasons unknown to me decided i was scum off misreading several of my posts and then maintaining that his reading of my posts was the correct one rather than my meaning behind them!!

Does this sound like someone who thinks I'm guilty? No, it sounds like someone who is voting me because I'm going after him.

And LG, what you're claiming is that you said things which were scummy and that my not accepting your explanation of "well I didn't mean it that way" means I'm guilty. Except in this post you aren't suggesting I'm guilty.

[ULC]

So you agree with me Sasaki on my assertion that LG is behaving as if he "being persecuted"? In that instead of responding normally, he has gone out of his way to defame his "accuser"?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So you agree with me Sasaki on my assertion that LG is behaving as if he "being persecuted"? In that instead of responding normally, he has gone out of his way to defame his "accuser"?


Yes.

[Andres]

Andres then why should the town waste a lynch of me if your are not lieing ? surely the town should make you waste your kill instead ?

And this is the huge flaw in Andres logic, if i truely was godfather just kill me off quietly in a turn or two, announcing it to the town will make them wonder why mafia didn't kill him himself, there is always a risk your godfather could die.... but the fact is theres no risk from me... and am no godfather

Andres came in here to save one of his own from the lynch!

Theres too many holes in his logic for him to be telling the truth... hes encouraging the town to more useless lynches!!

WE im sorry i didn't believe you straight away, though i did take my vote off you before you were lynched!

But WE (a proven innocent) is 100% accurate on sasaki this game!

Leading the town astray, directing the lynches of innocents!!


Got to admire the WIFOM, eh? Dear English Godfather, you are a worthy adversary :bow:

No L_G, we won't kill you, we are enjoying watching you struggling with the constant inquisition. The town will slowly tear you into little pieces. That's more than even the most cruel kill write-up could do.

Besides, we're not going to waste two kills on you if it can be acomplished by one lynch.

Die, L_G, DIE !!! You made one mistake this game, which was killing me :brood:

[LittleGrizzly]

You can only have one top priority. There is more than one mafia. I'm your top priority you've made it clear (by tomorrow I'll go back and show how your suspicion of me is entirely in response to my case on you, but that's an aside) so are you saying that everyone who isn't me is "probably innocent"?

I don't think that one is even my fault for being badly worded. You clearly decided to take that comment out of context. My top priority is getting the person i think most scummy lynched, nothing wrong with that!

Ok. I say "changing your story because it was made up the first time" you say "badly worded i know".

Why would i allude to another reason if i didn't have one as a mafia (rather than a badly worded townie) unless it supposed to be some kind of fruedian slip.... becuase ive never really had one in real life let alone a message i type and then send...

No Lg. You trying to convince people that you were townie, and the reason you used was that you had made a an original case on alexander, and that you had told the town not to lynch reenk and pizza, which mafia wouldn't do. Both of those are false. Here is your "original case" on alexander:

I obviously didn't make my case based on not voting for ATPG and Reenk,what i did was make a different case rather than vote for them, this wasn't the turn they drew level on votes, which i hadn't realised, but they had votes on them at the timeso rather than go for stupidly easy lynches and blend in with the crowd i decided to go for someone else... some great mafia play there...

Here are some general posts where i criticised Reenk and ATPG's lynches....

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2181025&postcount=447

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2184689&postcount=660

though not the round they where drawn on...

I couldn't be bothred to read that far... i read about 10 pages so far... if you wait a little later ill continue the search

One, I haven't lied.

Maybe not flat out lies but half truths and misdirection... at best!

Does this sound like someone who thinks I'm guilty? No, it sounds like someone who is voting me because I'm going after him.

I have explained why i start voting for you, its not because you went for me... its because your acting strange... or 'off' i usually leave people who vote for me alone... especially as mafia... im pretty sure tincow warned me off engaging people who didn't believe my reveal as a god in Midgaard II, if i think an innocent person is incorrect on me i will protest my case but not revenge vote... this is different because sasaki is acting differently and this is why im voting for him... not because he's voting for me...

And LG, what you're claiming is that you said things which were scummy and that my not accepting your explanation of "well I didn't mean it that way" means I'm guilty. Except in this post you aren't suggesting I'm guilty.

Part of my claim of your guilt is your misinterpratation of my words... the one was badly worded fair enough... the rest seemed fairly clear to me and this is why i think your deliberately twisting my words into a case... go look at midgaard II i was a non attention grabbing townie... fairly by the book but not so clean i was dirty... pretty different from my behaviour now...

And in the post you quoted i wasn't calling you guilty or innocent... i was pondering your reasons for going for me and misinterpratating my posts...

Got to admire the WIFOM, eh? Dear English Godfather, you are a worthy adversary

Me... now you deserve all the credit.. your the comedian.

I would like to point out the usual strategy with revealed scum is ignore whatever they say..

No L_G, we won't kill you, we are enjoying watching you struggling with the constant inquisition.

I guess its better to have me here as lynch bait just incase one of your buddies is one of the other lynch candidates... or maybe your here to back up your buddy sasaki ?

Besides, we're not going to waste two kills on you if it can be acomplished by one lynch.

It will only require one kill to get me... go on try it... i gaurentee i die after only one attack...

Better still prove im a godfather, attack me and then the town could lynch me if i survive !!

But you would rather have me here as lynch bait to save your buddies....

Die, L_G, DIE !!! You made one mistake this game, which was killing me

I only wish i did, your buddies are going down next!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm going to let it rest here LG. And I'll say right now that I'm not going to spend all tomorrow pursuing you--so to non lg-family, you can't count on me spending all day on it, so if you want to take him out you better do it by night. I've said as much as I can say on lg, it's up to the rest of you to read the case.

Lord Winter is someone who needs attention.

[LittleGrizzly]

So were agreed then, Andres wanted the town to lynch me and sasaki was pushing for it, now sasaki is going to put his focus elsewhere and it doesn't seem anyone else will vote for me, so surely Andres the only choice is for your family to attack me tonight and prove i am the godfather through my survival!

Plan!!

I would be quite looking forward to being revealed as innocent to hear some apologies... but i suspect the people accusing me are scum anyway.... so it will be a rather shallow victory...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

FactionHeir:

Griz asserts that you were claiming to be a detective. Were you?

I read back through your posts and though you referenced a write-up, you didn't claim a name or a role that I saw. Did I miss summat?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

FactionHeir:

Griz asserts that you were claiming to be a detective. Were you?

I read back through your posts and though you referenced a write-up, you didn't claim a name or a role that I saw. Did I miss summat?

Here:


And yes, I was detective/roleblocker/protector


https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2192386&postcount=1157

[White_eyes:D]

*looks at the quote by FactionHeir*......sounds like bull:daisy: to me.....anyone who thinks he is right has lost it...:bow:

[ULC]

I am growing more and more suspiscious of FH. It's known we had a third party role left, one more neutral role. If I read ATPG accusations of FH correctly, it was "You simply don't care who dies". I think were skipping out on the possibility that FH was a neutral third party role, and not protown.

I can't wait until this night is over, and see who lives.

[FactionHeir]

What third party? I was the detective/doctor/roleblocker with the ability to start "work" on N6 incidentally. Seamus probably has detective abilities as well, not sure about the rest. Both of us are pro town I believe, or that is what I was told when I was assigned the role anyway.

Those questioning this probably have ulterior motives.

As for me not caring who dies, its more like I cared not to vote WE because I figured he was innocent but due to the fantastic way this "town" managed to set up the votes, you got 2 town killed at once.

[ULC]

What third party? I was the detective/doctor/roleblocker with the ability to start "work" on N6 incidentally. Seamus probably has detective abilities as well, not sure about the rest. Both of us are pro town I believe, or that is what I was told when I was assigned the role anyway.

Those questioning this probably have ulterior motives.

As for me not caring who dies, its more like I cared not to vote WE because I figured he was innocent but due to the fantastic way this "town" managed to set up the votes, you got 2 town killed at once.

Glad you responded.

Pever specifically stated that there where 6 mafia in two families, 3 protown roles, and 2 neutral roles.

We have only lost one of the neutral roles, so it's possible you were neutral, since your death doesn't explicitly state your alignment, although it's possible your protown (high chance), we still have both James and Christy unaccounted for (again, going off of Pever's wiki article).

I was talking about your past behavior FH, in which ATPG continued to use the same reasoning to vote for you, not your behavior in the round you were lynched.

[FactionHeir]

ATPG generally posts a lot but gets the wrong people lynched :yes: (no offence ATPG :P)

[ULC]

ATPG generally posts a lot but gets the wrong people lynched :yes: (no offence ATPG :P)

So I say all that and you dodge it all with a Non Sequitur? Nice :brood:

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG generally posts a lot but gets the wrong people lynched :yes: (no offence ATPG :P)

Yeah, FactionHeir, it's an interesting point. Townies don't know who to lynch, but some of them, who want to kill the mafia, try to do so. And then, when they make the wrong choice, or when other players don't vote to save themselves and others intentionally kill themselves, it's easy to blame.

Forgive me for trying.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I do want to say, since he's dead and either pro-town or neutral, there is no point in hammering FactionHeir anymore, YLC. Perhaps another target?

[White_eyes:D]

:shrug:

[Askthepizzaguy]

NO! NO! White_Eyes... seriously. Hold on one second.

3 Irish Mafia: (from the play) Brendan, Joey, and Christy (we think)
3 English Mafia: Mike Fingers, Oswald, and... ???
3+2 Pro-town or neutral: Donney, Davey, Mairead, James... and ???

Serial Killer: Padraic



Donney cannot be mafia, nor Davey. Seriously. Think about it.

mairead was a defender or a roleblocker! Davey was a defender or a roleblocker or an investigator! Seamus is Donney, who must be either pro-town or neutral. Probably the detective, but I don't know. All I know is that Donney CANNOT be mafia.

[White_eyes:D]

:ignore:

[Askthepizzaguy]

GAH!!!!

I give up. Listen, White_eyes, the mafia will probably take out Seamus, because most of us think that he's the final pro-town role. When that happens, you HAVE to drop the inquisition against Donney and Factionheir.

This is not good judgment, but don't listen to me, I'm just the pizza man.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I also want to point out that if Seamus and Factionheir are scum, then the English mafia:

Mike Fingers, Oswald, Davey, Donney.

That's 4 members. It doesn't even add up correctly. Not to mention 2 Irish names from the play. The host said that the English mafia were characters not from the play.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Please don't edit your posts out White_eyes. Now it sounds like I'm talking to myself. :stars:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Whie Eyes ca yo cofirm ey ha pizzagy is akig o himsef?

[White_eyes:D]

Please don't edit your posts out White_eyes. Now it sounds like I'm talking to myself. :stars:

:shrug:....I noticed Seamus was either telling the truth or I misjudged him....:juggle2:
I have no idea:sweatdrop:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Trust me, White_eyes, we all make mistakes. So, are you sending messages to the mafia Sasaki, or do you need a new keyboard?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

:shrug:....I noticed Seamus was either telling the truth or I misjudged him....:juggle2:
I have no idea:sweatdrop:

I am telling the truth in my reveal. I suspect that my detective status will be confirmed emphatically in the not too distant future -- though I'll report my N7 results on Sasaki-san if I am incorrect as to that confirmation.

I cannot judge FH's "role" status. By my count we have at least one unknown/unnamed so far for each mafia (though I think you may have the names right based on the wiki piece as springboard). By my count, we still have one pro-town role (me, reenk, ?) unaccounted for as well as one neutral (AVSM, ?). There are more roles left than generic townies -- which bodes ill for the town unless we score well in the next day or two.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Un game related, but can someone explain why the certain keys on my keyboar qi fciio so of a bich go am i m i' ask agai aer

why certain keys on my keyboard quit functioning at random? They seem to come back if I type the whole alphabet and then hold one of them down...or maybe that's just my imagination. Not crumbs or water damage.

[Askthepizzaguy]

LOL (in my best text-only Jon Lovitz impersonation:)

so of a bich, eh? That's nice language. You wouldn't type that out unless you knew you couldn't type it. Smells like... ACTING!




PS: why does it look like your url avatar ate half of my url avatar's face?

[pevergreen]

Donney spent the night at home--knowing better than to drink at a time like this--desperately trying to console himself after the death of Mairead the previous night. She had saved his life, but he had been incapable of saving hers. Could a linguist, could a grammarian, could even a mathematician have seen what he had, have witnessed the events of the past week, and have known the end result of it, without feeling that circumstances had been at work to foil his every effort? -- How much more must an imaginist, like himself, be on fire with speculation and foresight! -- especially with such a groundwork of investigation as his mind had already made. Not being able to stand his own house, he left to visit her grave.

It was no use blaming himself for his failure to catch the villains, he decided. Instead, he must comfort himself with the knowledge that no man or woman lives forever. Even kings are eaten by worms, and the dust from the decayed corpse of Alexander the Great might be used today to stop a hole in a beer barrel.

As he arrived at the cemetery gate, he paused to allow a carriage containing a fellow mourner out through the gate and onto the road that led to the cliff where Joey had perished the night before, and then continued towards the grave of Mairead. At first he walked at his usual pace, but as he caught sight of her resting place he walked faster and faster. By the time he arrived at the grave he was running at such a speed that he was nearly unable to avoid falling into the large, deep, and above all empty hole where her coffin should have been.

It was then that he remembered the carriage he had passed on his way in. Taking a short cut, he ran as fast as he could towards the clifftop, thankful now more than ever that he had kept in good shape, even in his later years. As he came over the rise, he saw the carriage with the coffin in the backseat, but no horse or driver. Sensing a trap, he at first walked cautiously towards the carriage, but when he saw that it was slowly rolling towards the edge of the cliff, he sprinted to it. The carriage was too heavy for him to stop, and when he climbed up into the back he found that the coffin was latched shut and bolted to the floorboards. His efforts were clearly anticipated, but was so overwhelmed by thoughts of the coffin shattering to pieces on the rocky shore that he ignored the warning signs and stayed on the moving carriage, yanking desperately on the lock, throwing his whole weight behind each tug. His crazed efforts took effect, but when he ripped the lock off and opened the lid of the coffin, he discovered two things.

First, that the coffin was empty.

Second, that the front of the carriage was tilting downwards at a rapidly increasing angle.

Oswald rode his horse out from the woods and gazed down at the bits of carriage, coffin, and Seamus strewn all over the rocks below. He gave a sigh of satisfaction, and turned his horse towards the village.

Brendan walked in to Mcdoogals and saw seireikhaan sitting at the bar. He walked up to him and said would you like to buy me a pint? And seireikhaan turned and said no buy your own drink you don't know who I am. Brendan said no but I know this much. I hate anyone who doesnt fight for ireland. He smashed seireikhaan over the head with his beer. are you the blind mice said seireikhaan? Brendan prepared to slit his throat, raising the shard of beer bottle in his hand. Seireikhaan just backhanded him across the face saying "Don't you know who I am?" Brendan was surprised, no one had fought back in this way before. Normally it got physical, not this backhanding stuff! Seireikhaan just kept advancing on Brendan saying "Don't you know who I am?", with each step, backhanding Brendan once more. With a might swing, he knocked Brendan on to the ground. "I'm Heilyn :daisy:!" and with that, he left the bar. Brendan stayed on the ground, visibly shocked. With a slightly sad face, he just looked around awkwardly and left a card that said Two Blind Mice. As he left he killed Sigurd and said "for Joey".

Alive:
Askthepizzaguy
LittleGrizzly
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Lord Winter
serierkhaan
Diana Abnoba
boudica
El Diablo

Dead:
Publius Aelius Hadrianus
A Very Super Market
Jolt
taka
Polemists (WoG)
gaelic cowboy (WoG)
Alexander the Pretty Good
CountArach
Psychonaut (suicide)
YLC
Captain Blackadder
greyblades
shlin28
Andres
Reenk Roink
Sigurd (WoG)
Seamus

Lynched:
Beefy187
F.C is the bees knees
777ares777
Ituralde
yoyoma1910
White Eyes
Factionheir

It is now Day 8.

Remember, today. in adition to the normal vote for a lynch, Diana is a different vote. You vote to either keep her alive or kill her. She may not be voted for the normal lynch. The majority decision will deliver her fate. Please indicate your choice by

Life: Diana
or
Death: Diana

[boudica]

Wow. That write-up suggests either a powerful neutral role, or a Godfather revealed. From the name I'd guess the former - but either way, unless he has a convincing response:

vote: Sushikhaan

Life:Diana

...although that will be subject to change dependant on whether someone with more maf-experience than I can explain why we have Diana's life in our hands as a separate issue from the lynch.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I see the mafia have not taken care of LG. Well, I lied about laying off him today...

I'll go over the thread and write up my case in the morning, but this is how I see it:

khann--english godfather--nightkill immunity that andres revealed (though i'd thought he was making it up at the time), lurking, named role.
Lord Winter--Oswald--only living player who could write it imo, lurked whole game, claims he hasn't paid attention but his posts make it obvious that he was familiar with the content of the writeup--he detailed why he thought it wasn't a reenk imitation.

LittleGrizzly--Irish godfather--I've said a lot on this. Picking him as Irish for the blind mice hinting thing, and because:
Pizza guy--Brendan. The kill choices have been pizza guy through and through (especially seamus and reenk), LG defended him this game, he dismissed my case on LG and said he would vote for him the next day. Next day he goes after reenk for the oswald writeup. I also find it completely unbelievable that townie-pizza would not have "gone crazy-pizza-style" at any point during the game. He hasn't had his mid game wildness, with the making up crazy theories. I skimmed the thread and there is a lot of artificial dialogue between andres--Grizz--Pizza. Andres accusing grizz is the kind of distancing ploy that andes LOVES.

As for the rest:

myself--innocent
diana--votes the same way as pizza. Might be good to kill her, might not, depends on math
el diablo--if he's lurking godfather I'll be pissed, nothing to see from his posts
GH--seems himself, was willing to pose as detective, went out on a limb on the white_eyes case.
boudica--reached a tie vote at one point. Pizza did save her, but he's too strongly connected to LG. The offer of suicide doesn't seem like something boudica would try as godfather.

[boudica]

Very interesting points, although the one thing that bothers me is that if 'Khaan is the English Godfather then why is his name Heilyn?. The fact Brendan is shocked by this revelation makes no sense if Heilyn is English Godfather. Sure - Brendan would be shocked if he'd tried to kill (his own?) Irish Godfather, but surely not the English one. No - my bet is that 'Khaan is a neutral role...wait! - just one more thing...

How did Brendan get the chance to kill Sigurd as well as his attempt on Khaan? or is that a WoG thing?

EDIT: oh yeah - Sigurd was Wrath of Godded

[White_eyes:D]

I see the mafia have not taken care of LG. Well, I lied about laying off him today...

I'll go over the thread and write up my case in the morning, but this is how I see it:

khann--english godfather--nightkill immunity that andres revealed (though i'd thought he was making it up at the time), lurking, named role.
Lord Winter--Oswald--only living player who could write it imo, lurked whole game, claims he hasn't paid attention but his posts make it obvious that he was familiar with the content of the writeup--he detailed why he thought it wasn't a reenk imitation.

LittleGrizzly--Irish godfather--I've said a lot on this. Picking him as Irish for the blind mice hinting thing, and because:
Pizza guy--Brendan. The kill choices have been pizza guy through and through (especially seamus and reenk), LG defended him this game, he dismissed my case on LG and said he would vote for him the next day. Next day he goes after reenk for the oswald writeup. I also find it completely unbelievable that townie-pizza would not have "gone crazy-pizza-style" at any point during the game. He hasn't had his mid game wildness, with the making up crazy theories. I skimmed the thread and there is a lot of artificial dialogue between andres--Grizz--Pizza. Andres accusing grizz is the kind of distancing ploy that andes LOVES.

As for the rest:

myself--innocent Why does this seem like bull:daisy:?
diana--votes the same way as pizza. Might be good to kill her, might not, depends on math
el diablo--if he's lurking godfather I'll be pissed, nothing to see from his posts
GH--seems himself, was willing to pose as detective, went out on a limb on the white_eyes case.(In case you forgotten......that got me and FH killed.....and you pushed for it the most)
boudica--reached a tie vote at one point. Pizza did save her, but he's too strongly connected to LG. The offer of suicide doesn't seem like something boudica would try as godfather.

I made some changes....I would not listen to Sasaki....he has a forked tongue...:smash:

[Andres]

Very interesting points, although the one thing that bothers me is that if 'Khaan is the English Godfather then why is his name Heilyn?. The fact Brendan is shocked by this revelation makes no sense if Heilyn is English Godfather. Sure - Brendan would be shocked if he'd tried to kill (his own?) Irish Godfather, but surely not the English one. No - my bet is that 'Khaan is a neutral role...wait! - just one more thing...



Hi Oswald, trying to save your godfather, Don 'khaan, there, hm? You should do it less obvious.

And yes, Sasaki is right, LittleGrizzly is my Godfather. Please lynch 'khaan first and give us one more round. I'll do the next kill write-up myself in return and I promise it will be amusing. After that, you can lynch L_G. It has been a fun game and my team will leave with honor.

:bow:

[boudica]

That claim about LG is so bold I'm almost tempted to believe it. Andres - no offence but I am putting your dead :daisy: on mute.

[LittleGrizzly]

Hah! the irish mafia did not attack me last night to prove i am the english godfather... what say you now andres ?

Andres accusing grizz is the kind of distancing ploy that andes LOVES.

So you and your scum buddy Andres set this up in advance ?

LG defended him this game,

I also defended Reenk and went against the White Eyes lynch, i merely defend those i think to be innocent, and at the moment every player i have defended has turned out to be innocent.... wouldn't surprise me if im right on pizza as well!

andres--Grizz--Pizza.

Did i not say that this was a possible ploy by sasaki by bringing andres in... and look what a surprise... andres appearance and talking to me is now being used by sasaki as part of his case!!

At best scum should be completely ignored, they are not stupid and can use reverse physcology and all kinds of tricks to get thier way.... look at the way Sasaki has used Andres in this game!

I have only talked to Andres since he accussed me of being the English Godfather... do you usually ignore accussations and not answer them... i prefer not to...

Have had hardly any direct talking with pizza guy... no more than my usual fare with pizza, seen as he's usually the most frequent poster and im usually inside the top 10 posters we are bound to talk now and again...

I see the mafia have not taken care of LG. Well, I lied about laying off him today...

One of many lies...

Listen to WE proven innocent and don't buy the lies of Sasaki!

The english mafia... Andres, Sasaki + ???? are trying to set me up as lynch bait for these final rounds... don't fall for the mafia's tricks!!

Vote Sasaki

Lets hunt some english mafia!

unsure on this whole life and death for diana thing... i have seen nothing to lead to me to be suspicious of Diana...

So i guess Life Diana

And yes, Sasaki is right, LittleGrizzly is my Godfather. Please lynch 'khaan first and give us one more round. I'll do the next kill write-up myself in return and I promise it will be amusing. After that, you can lynch L_G. It has been a fun game and my team will leave with honor.

Your lies shall be buried with your family Andres!

Boudica has the right idea... confirmed scum = best ignored...

[Andres]

My dear Godfather LittleGrizzly, you know better than to call our mastermind Sasaki a scumbag.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Boudica and Sasaki are on at an unusual time for them, and together, might I add. Neato. And the case on me was so well-constructed too. Let me see if I can find that gem:


Pizza guy--Brendan. The kill choices have been pizza guy through and through (especially seamus and reenk), LG defended him this game, he dismissed my case on LG and said he would vote for him the next day. Next day he goes after reenk for the oswald writeup. I also find it completely unbelievable that townie-pizza would not have "gone crazy-pizza-style" at any point during the game. He hasn't had his mid game wildness, with the making up crazy theories. I skimmed the thread and there is a lot of artificial dialogue between andres--Grizz--Pizza. Andres accusing grizz is the kind of distancing ploy that andes LOVES.

This is my favorite part. Townie-pizza didn't go crazy this game? Excuse me while I laugh. :laugh4: Very nicely done Sasaki. I loved how nice you were to me all game to gain my favor. Should I reveal all your lovely PMs to me? Trying to pass on your veteran wisdom, take me under your wing, Sasaki? Right. That's absolutely Sasaki behavior. Not a bit unusual. :grin: Please don't lynch LittleGrizzly... oh no... he's my godfather... please don't.... I cannot bear the thought of losing LittleGrizzly... nooooo... *yawn*

What is this evidence of artificial dialogue? Mmmmm.... tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies. Seireikhaan and Sasaki, or boudica and Sasaki. Either way, you get Sasaki. But Sasaki must be Oswald... whoever could be his Godfather... mmmm.... boudica? Or named role Seireikhaan? Even better.... boudica was investigated... so she can only be... innocent townie or Godfather.

So, to me, the question is... do we lynch Boudica, or do we lynch Sasaki... or do we lynch Seireikhaan? Given that Boudica and Sasaki have no love for Seireikhaan, that tells me that Seireikhaan is not part of a boudica-Khaan duo.... or a Sasaki-khaan duo. Well well well. Guess that means only one thing: Boudica is the English Godfather. How lovely. It is no small wonder that Sasaki didn't go after me for what had to be completely suicidal and bad-townie behavior of saying "please get the votes off of boudica... I think she's innocent..." when I was tied with her. Oh, I must have been your savior, Sasaki and boudica. No wonder you've kept me alive this long. Well played. But your accusation of me at this late hour, showing up together, and stating a flimsy case... both having no love for Khaan...

And Lord Winter is Oswald? Mmm yes that adds up too. Sure... because he privately asked to suicide, unlike boudica, who publicly asked to suicide, and retracted it. She obviously wants no such thing. :mellow: You know, I tried and tried to find mafia all game, and apparently all I really had to do is sit back and wait for them to self-destruct under the pressure.

Today is a good day. :medievalcheers:

[LittleGrizzly]

I loved how nice you were to me all game to gain my favor. Should I reveal all your lovely PMs to me? Trying to pass on your veteran wisdom, take me under your wing, Sasaki? Right.

Sasaki is just a super friendly townie trying to help you Pizza... and you assume this to be him trying to gain favour for his scummy schemes ?

How dare you! Sasaki is as pure as the driven snow!

ATPG... im intrested in your Boudica Sasaki case, (from memory) she doesn't seem to be paticularly connected to sasaki... she didn't jump on the case he made on me and try to further it.. so are there any paticular posts which you can poin to as proof of a connection...

As i do remember you also linking me and sasaki... what makes you right this time ?

Ohh and to your question...

or do we lynch Sasaki

Yes! please town we need to lynch him today!

[boudica]

@ Askthepizzaguy:laugh4: Should you get your way and have me lynched I can already see the bang-head-against-wall smiley you're going to be using. You should study your post for evidence of exactly why your previous attempts at constructing some kind of fool-proof mafia detection tool did not work. Your 'evidence' is very much lead by your heart/how you happen to be feeling at this precise moment and it is above all inaccurate:

1) The write-up which NAMES 'Khaan as Heilyn is the first time I have referred to Khaan I think in this epic thread - to describe that as me 'having no love for him' to produce some link between myself and Sasaki is just you seeing what you want to see, or at best, using the accusation as a lure/bait.

2) I did not retract my suicide request - I was told specifically that - as a suspect, I could not suicide.

You MAY very well have some cogent points hidden amongst that mire of whimsy - but I have no way of extracting any use from it AS A ROLE-LESS TOWNIE!

Now without trying to change the subject, I'd like to reiterate my question about why people think we have the opportunity to kill Diana Abnoba as a side-order to the lynch vote. I'm tempted to change my verdict to death, just because ... well I don't know - that's why I'm asking...

[LittleGrizzly]

Boudica i thought the same thing... what if some kind of pro town role found some scum and this is the way thier power works ??

On the other hand whoever was using this power im sure could have somehow got info into the thread before the choice was offered...

Im pretty sure this choice isn't a mafia ability... but it could be a serial killer ability or a pro town ability... or just something completely random!!

I have decided unless someone can provide a good argument this is being done by good guys im going to stick to a life vote...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, at one point, LG... I thought you and Sasaki had been going after one another to distance yourselves. But if one of you were a Godfather, that would be very dangerous. You've been investigated, as has boudica. Sasaki was not. On the night he was supposed to be investigated, Seamus died.

Sasaki and Boudica think that Seireikhaan is scum. Seireikhaan has a named role, alignment unrevealed. I'd be willing to lynch him, but frankly he could only be a neutral role at this point, with the ability to avoid being murdered. Of a higher priority is Sasaki, who is a suspect for being Oswald. Since I know that I didn't do the kills, Sasaki accusing me of being Brendan now, instead of Oswald... that's rich. Why Brendan and not Oswald, as he originally stated? And why lord winter as Oswald?

How would he assume I am Brendan and not Oswald, unless he were Oswald himself? I don't rest my case, but frankly, I can stop here to let it all sink in.

Lord Winter could only be Brendan; I seriously don't think that Lord Winter, who I believe is not a native English speaker, would do the Oswald kills. But, I suppose it's possible that someone wrote them for him. I knew the author clue would come in handy. Since he asked to suicide privately instead of publicly, that sounds more sincere to me than boudica's offer.

And why, oh why, did they both show up within an hour of the writeup? I monitor all activity, and that is why I suspected Ituralde, and Itsy was mafia. Boudica, who has asked to suicide, and has shown little attention to detail in-thread, now shows up immediately after the writeup, at an unusual time for her, to state a bad case against Seireikhaan?

Priceless.


Bottom line, if you're a Godfather, LittleGrizzly, I'll eat my hat. You're not working with Sasaki or boudica, or else I must bow, bow, bow to your incredibly ballsy play. Of the two of you, you gave the better performance, and I'd rather go after boudica or Sasaki first, and question Seireikhaan this round to find out what role he has, before I bother with you, LG.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As for the life/death thing: Seems to be a result of the tied vote between White_eyes and factionheir. The host "warned" us something bad would happen. So, we are being asked to kill the person responsible for the tie.

And boudica... may I ask why you're online at this hour? :wink:

[boudica]

As for the life/death thing: Seems to be a result of the tied vote between White_eyes and factionheir. The host "warned" us something bad would happen. So, we are being asked to kill the person responsible for the tie.

And boudica... may I ask why you're online at this hour? :wink:

Ok - the life/death thing makes sense, so I shall stick with my 'life' verdict.

and in answer to your question: Yes you may: I am online while I should be working (which I am attempting to do simultaneously). Since my work placement ended this is a great deal easier as I am able to work from home (a mixture of freelance work and personal projects - heavy on the freelance right now for which I should be thankful and probably not reading reams of posts about this most excellent game I am becoming addicted to)

As I have repeatedly stated when questioned - I have found I can handle 2 games of mafia at a time: Any more and I cannot commit the time to make any kind of useful contribution as town, or pay enough attention as mafia :laugh4:

Since your Psychomafia game ended I am back to 2 games, although I feel that if I am to make a better contribution I shall have to re-read what is fast approaching 1,500 posts.

[Andres]

Ok - the life/death thing makes sense, so I shall stick with my 'life' verdict.

and in answer to your question: Yes you may: I am online while I should be working (which I am attempting to do simultaneously). Since my work placement ended this is a great deal easier as I am able to work from home (a mixture of freelance work and personal projects - heavy on the freelance right now for which I should be thankful and probably not reading reams of posts about this most excellent game I am becoming addicted to)

As I have repeatedly stated when questioned - I have found I can handle 2 games of mafia at a time: Any more and I cannot commit the time to make any kind of useful contribution as town, or pay enough attention as mafia :laugh4:

Since your Psychomafia game ended I am back to 2 games, although I feel that if I am to make a better contribution I shall have to re-read what is fast approaching 1,500 posts.

No, there's no need to read 1500 posts. I'll give you a summary:

English or Irish mafia:

- Godfather : LittleGrizzly
- Oswald (remaining grunt): pizzaguy;

Irish or English mafia:

- Godfather : 'khaan
- Brendan : boudica

Remaining secret role:

- it's a secret, but I think it's Sasaki. It's always him and he's always scum :listen:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Summary of all of Boudica's behavior all game. Fun!


vote: Gaelic Cowboy

For doing a botch job on my double glazing and charging me the earth (...or something)

Note: I shall be at a funeral tomorrow and have v. limited internet access. Will try to check comp in the morning before we leave (GMT)Votes Gaelic Cowboy.


I still can't believe I'm the only one to have spotted the fairly obvious danger of the Gaelic Cowboy. He may not be making bombs in his basement.. but if he is.. and you're buying them from him, I'd be a little bit concerned for my own safety if I was you.. and if you're getting him in to do a loft extension...well - the less said the better.Accuses Gaelic Cowboy.


I was only joking. Assuming Gaelic Cowboy doesn't kill me, my votes now will be down to evidence rather than blind prejudice. Just don't get him to fit you a new boiler.Gaelic Cowboy.


So Padraig is dead? (A Very Super Market was Padraig?) - killed by Oswald, I'm assuming from the name is a British agent. Sounds like Brendan is IRA and killing wildly as Jolt was clearly just a pished up townie. Booooooo! But Oswald cannot have known that AVSM was Padraig? must have just got lucky?Acting very innocent. She is usually a LOT more observant. She read the same writeup we all did, but pretended not to fully understand the situation.


vote: Reenk Roink - (why believe one WIFOMmer and not the other? - that's politics that is)Votes Reenk Roink


It seems like the sub-plot / pro-town roles are all but deaded. Apologies for lack of participation over the weekend. While I voted Reenk on day 2, I think it was for his 'usual'?? antics I shall now vote: Askthepizzaguy. - reason: gut instinct.Excuses for lack of participation. OMGUS votes me.


:laugh4: I went offline after I'd apparently cross-posted with you. Funny we suspected each other simultaneously. I assumed you'd have made a reply to my voting you by now so checked back only to find you had somehow managed to squeeze your vote for me in before mine for you!

My vote for you stands btw. - You don't seem to have offered yourself up for a lynch yet and that's just not normal for you in my experience.Even better: claims not to know I offered myself up for the lynch round one. Not very observant... acting like she's not paying attention... when she clearly is just trying to make herself appear innocent. Boudica not giving her best effort as a townie... doesn't sit well with me. Not after all the games I've seen her be a townie in.


Ach - ok so you DID offer yourself up for the lynch :laugh4: I remember now actually mentioning it in a Psychomafia PM as well that you were trying to get lynched again...

My vote for you was based on the activity over the last few pages. Looking at it again, maybe I was swayed by the apparent conflict between you and Reenk...?

Well, what can I say but: I am town - plain and simple no-role boudica

I guess in one respect that I am not such a bad lynch option given that my contribution to this game has been slight and I can't see it getting much deeper. However I am an awful lynch option given my innocence, but you'll just have to either take me at my word, or wait for the write-up to confirm it.

With town's best interest in mind, I shall not unvote yet - but stand aside in order that perhaps more worthy lynch candidates might come centre stage.Oh, now she remembers. What a reversal. Swayed by the conflict between me and Reenk... what a vague accusation. Not your usual stuff, B. You usually have a very precise reason for voting someone.

I love the "plain and simple no-role boudica" line. "I'm not such a bad lynch option..." That's classic. And we should take your word that you're innocent. With the town's best interest in mind, you won't unvote me even after your completely backwards accusation.


:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

fair enough - and it shows how much attention I've been paying. Let's leave Inspector Wee Thomas out of this.

and as to your claim about voting, let's see if this throws Wee Thomas amongst the pigeons...

unvote: Vote: Sasaki
Votes Sasaki... reasons? Distancing herself from Sasaki. After all, she didn't state a case. Maybe she wanted to vote Sasaki without causing a bandwagon.


Good lynch. Now Ituralde / Mike Fingers is listed as killed not lynched. I yam confused.Obviously paying attention to the game, but still feigning confusion.


:laugh4:

I'd be happy to vote Reenk again purely because of his blatant threats, but I still don't really have a clue about his playing style that everyone else seems to kowtow to (how exactly is it helpful to town again? Reenk? Anyone? :wall:) - In the meantime, I'm prepared to go out on a limb and guess from the list of the living that Diana Abnoba may very well be capable of the Oswald kill/write up. Which I concur - was beautifully written :2thumbsup:

vote: Diana AbnobaA particularly hilarious accusation; there has never been ANY post from Diana which could indicate she could write a Shakespearean murder. Nor I, to be frank. I have over 6000 posts here, and while creative writing is something I got an award for, NONE of it has been remotely close to Shakespearean. Usually I write blood and guts and carnage on a basic but entertaining level, and you know this, because you've seen my games. I can link you to the post I got the award for, too. None of it is Shakespearean. Boudica, your writing has been very, very English-friendly.


If everyone threw you a bone every time you asked, you could open a glue factory.:beam:Ah, but you asked to be thrown a bone when you said we should trust you. Apparently you don't want to offer the same courtesy... double standards.


Please don't lynch me. :thumbsdown: I promise to contribute more soon - I surely do. If my voting has piqued suspicion from anyone, I'd argue that it is because I haven't yet put any real time in to this game in terms of cogitatin' and ponderin' and there is much more dastardly behaviour than my own, going on both in the write-ups and the thread itself. If that sounds desperate - so be it :shame:.The sympathy post. Appeal to emotion? You've never done that before as a townie, if I recall. "Don't Lynch Me"


Probably best you lynch me so the investigation proper may proceed without me being a suspicious distraction. I am high on the suspect list of both Sasaki and ATPG for my behaviour thusfar without really understanding why... but as I do not really have anything cogent to add to the thread yet in terms of tracking any of the mafia roles down I will happily suicide rather than let town waste another day.

Can I suicide Pevergreen?"Probably best you lynch me"

Make up your mind! :laugh4:


If only i could claim it were based on cunning! It appears my poor work for town and uninformed voting patterns - not to mention my offer of offing myself - merely increase suspicion.

F(inger) of M(eh) at all and sundryDownplaying your own abilities. You are kicking yourself around, Boudica... when have you EVER done that before?


I hadn't read your questions before leaving. I hope I have time to answer them now before leaving again.

1) Read my sign-up post. I was reticent to play more than 2 games (all I have decided I can cope with at once with any degree of commitment) But didn't want the game to fail through lack of participants.

2) I was attempting to draw some more comment from Diana. You're right I do not know her and her answer satisfied me - I was surprised when people had followed my lead and voted her when I checked back in. With no clear strategy in what has turned in to a bigger thread than Settlement, I have been voting mainly just to get 'a rise' from people.

3)Thankyou!

4) Not in the time allowed and not without significant research. My knowledge of literature is very small, but I enjoy writing creatively and hope to improve.

I have just caught up on GH's posts but will need to hear more and read back myself before I establish that GH himself is not having us on.You didn't leave... you returned right away. You were just ducking suspicion and questioning. Your answers to 3 and 4 were lacking. You had since the beginning of the game to do that writeup, and YOU could have done it.


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prevote: AskthepizzaguyWhere is your vote, Boudica? Lynch me. Aren't I your big suspect? LYNCH ME.

Inconsistent play. Whether I am a henchman or a Godfather, you should try to lynch me if I am your suspect, B.


Wow. That write-up suggests either a powerful neutral role, or a Godfather revealed. From the name I'd guess the former - but either way, unless he has a convincing response:

vote: Sushikhaan

Life:Diana

...although that will be subject to change dependant on whether someone with more maf-experience than I can explain why we have Diana's life in our hands as a separate issue from the lynch.So quick to flush Seireikhaan. You didn't even bother to wait for discussion, nor did you ask him what his role was. You saw the softest target in the game: someone with a confirmed role besides you. You're online at an unusual time. You immediately attack, without thinking it through or stating a case. You and Sasaki arrive at the same time. You voted for him earlier in the game, but dropped it and have been going after others ever since.


Very interesting points, although the one thing that bothers me is that if 'Khaan is the English Godfather then why is his name Heilyn?. The fact Brendan is shocked by this revelation makes no sense if Heilyn is English Godfather. Sure - Brendan would be shocked if he'd tried to kill (his own?) Irish Godfather, but surely not the English one. No - my bet is that 'Khaan is a neutral role...wait! - just one more thing...

How did Brendan get the chance to kill Sigurd as well as his attempt on Khaan? or is that a WoG thing?

EDIT: oh yeah - Sigurd was Wrath of GoddedOh yes, Sasaki has interesting, interesting points.

I have several of my own. See: .............. ............ ............ and ................
Points.


In summary:

1. Went after townies all game, except for poor Sasaki, who you never REALLY went after.
2. Downplays all her abilities
3. Lurks
4. Avoids questioning
5. Inconsistent strategy
6. Interesting timing after the writeup.
7. Investigated as innocent, with fewer and fewer Oswald suspects left to go... Sasaki is one of them. You and Sasaki have been best friends all game, in spite of some distancing tactics.
8. Constantly kicks herself for being less helpful and promises to do better
9. Offers to be lynched
10. Asks not to be lynched right afterward
11. Offers to "suicide" when she was a suspect to avoid suspicion and deflect it. Clearly for show.