The fight for Inishmore [Concluded]

[pevergreen]

The town of Inishmore, just off the west coast of Ireland is a peaceful town. There is only the ferry in and out of the island it is on. For many years the peace loving Irish that reside there knew only happiness. Until the English. It is 1903, many Irish patriots are sick of the United Kingdom. They wish for a free Ireland, an Irish Republic. These "patriots" begin attacks on anything british. Many suspect they just enjoy the killing and destruction. The IRA (Irish Republic Army) is but a small group, but a feared one. The town of Inishmore was reported to be its headquarters, so the English have sent some "peace keepers" onto the Island, sealing it. The government brands the IRA as terrorists and begins to hunt them down.

The stage is set.

The IRA wish for a free Ireland by elimination of the British troops.

The English seek to destroy the IRA.

The residents of Inishmore just wish to be rid of the both of them and go back to living in peace.

This is how it happened...

So thats the story for this large game, The fight for Inishmore.

The residents of Inishmore are the town, the IRA and English are two mafia families, to put it into vanilla terms.

However, due to the inspiration this game comes from, as well as the epic games of Silver Rusher and Seamus, this game also uses the Godfather mechanic. If the "Godfather" is lynched or killed that "mafia family" will cease to exist, the remaining players, if any, attempt to flee the island and drown.

As always, there may be a twist, and numbers of "mafia" will depend on overall sign ups. To balance two mafia families, there will be pro town roles.

This game will start a few days (at least 3) after Reenk Roinks game.

Sign Ups: (32/28 minimum)
Andres
Beefy187
Captain Blackadder
Jolt
Askthepizzaguy
taka
shlin28
LittleGrizzly
Reenk Roink
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Psychonaut
Lord Winter
White Eyes
Seamus
CountArach
Factionheir
A Very Super Market (Welcome to mafia :evilgrin:)
Polemists (As above :evilgrin:)
greatermakaiwhateverheisnow serierkhaan
sevensevensevenaresevensevenseven
yoyoma1910
Diana Abnoba
F.C is the bees knees
boudica
Sigurd
greyblades
Alexander the Pretty Good
Ituralde
El Diablo
Publius Aelius Hadrianus
YLC
gaelic cowboy

[Andres]

~:pimp:

[Beefy187]

INISHMORE!

You know that I'm in :2thumbsup:

[pevergreen]

INISHMORE!

You know that I'm in :2thumbsup:

Ah poor Wee Thomas.

[Beefy187]

Ah poor Wee Thomas.

I shot gun Wee Thomas if there is such role :laugh4:

[Captain Blackadder]

I am in

[Jolt]

Isn't Banquo from Ireland? He should be playing this game as well! In!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm in. Seems having permanent internet access is making it easier for me to juggle all these games. I'm actually bored over here! :laugh2:

[taka]

me! me!

[shlin28]

Inz!

[LittleGrizzly]

Inishmore! Inishmore! Inishmore!

[Reenk Roink]

:bow:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Against my better judgment, I'm in. :yes:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

In!

[naut]

In.

[Lord Winter]

In.

[Askthepizzaguy]

13 signups so far, by my unofficial count.


Andres
Beefy
Captain Blackadder
Jolt
Askthepizzaguy
Taka
shlin28
LittleGrizzly
Reenk Roink
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Psychonaut
Lord Winter

[White_eyes:D]

I am IN:bow:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

In please. Also, I call dibs on Dun Anghosa -- I'll portage in the needed drinking water.

pever' The Arans? What a cool choice for a setting.

[pevergreen]

There is such a rich story to go along with this setting, as Beefy knows, but my write-up skills shall make it bad. :grin2: Oh well!

[CountArach]

Aye lad ah shall be joinin' this 'ere gam'.

[FactionHeir]

:yes:

[A Very Super Market]

Wow, I never even knew that there was a whole forum for mafia-esque games.

I'm in! Don't worry about me, but I'm pretty experienced playing this.

[Beefy187]

Wow, I never even knew that there was a whole forum for mafia-esque games.

I'm in! Don't worry about me, but I'm pretty experienced playing this.

Then we know who to lynch don't we? :beam:

Welcome to mafia!!:2thumbsup:

[Polemists]

I'm in. Never done this before but read the rules and it sounds interesting, plus i'm dying from Immmmense boredom :laugh4:

[Andres]

Welcome to the Gameroom, Polemists and A Very Super Market ~:wave:

Please, grab a seat and wait while we prepare your execution.

You prefer the firing squad, a simple hanging or something more creative?

[pevergreen]

Oh if only you knew what you were in store for...:laugh4: Beefy does, and I'm sure bad memories are coming back for him.

[Greyblades]

I dont think I can join right away, but if you need a replacement for any drop out players just ask me.

[seireikhaan]

Hmm...

Ah what the heck.

:charge:

[Thermal]

SEXY

[seireikhaan]

SEXY
Yes, I know I am.

[Thermal]

~;)
Yes, I know I am.

[pevergreen]

El bump and notification that I've started a new game "pever enters the workforce"

^_^

[Beefy187]

ATPG, go recruit people. go go go go :smash:

I'll try do the same :yes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm bleedin' exhausted from Capo recruitment. Wear a guy out, will ya?

Sorry! :shame:

[Beefy187]

I'm bleedin' exhausted from Capo recruitment. Wear a guy out, will ya?

Sorry! :shame:

I was only joking :clown:

Though I can't do much till tommorow. RLs been crappy

[Yoyoma1910]

El bump and notification that I've started a new game "pever enters the workforce"

^_^

That's a game I know quite well.


I've just started playing a new one, it's called "Laid off." It begins with a 5 day notice that you're work place is closing, followed by a lot of wandering around to other work places handing out information about yourself, and smiling a lot.


...

And.. er... sorry I never fulfilled my promise to help you with this.

Turns out, I know very little about Ireland, except from what I learned from plays written or based on a century ago.

....

If you need another player, I'd be happy to join.

[pevergreen]

I'll count you as in then!

I figured, since I was basing it off a very recent production, no one would really know anything about it.

Except me and Beefy that is. :2thumbsup:

[Diana Abnoba]

This would be my first game, I would love to join. You don't have to go easy on me. :wink:
I'm a friend of pizzaguy, hope that is okay.

IN!



Thanks for the invite.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah, let me know if that's ok fellas. I'll drop out if necessary so she can play. I wanted to bring her into the mafia world, and it's more important to add a new player to our little games than for me to be in... what... my 6th simultaneous game? Otherwise, I am still in I suppose.

[pevergreen]

I need people ATPG, I shall have you.

This game is even more related to the current day. I've been hearing radio reports about the real IRA becoming active again over in the UK.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just needed to make sure that (a) everyone knew who she is, and (b) that it was kosher with everyone, and if not, I wanted her in this one so she can gain experience. She's just another player.

Thanks for inviting us, pever.

[Thermal]

This would be my first game, I would love to join. You don't have to go easy on me. :wink:
I'm a friend of pizzaguy, hope that is okay.

IN!



Thanks for the invite.

Welcome!

[CountArach]

This would be my first game, I would love to join. You don't have to go easy on me. :wink:
I'm a friend of pizzaguy, hope that is okay.

IN!



Thanks for the invite.
Welcome :bow:

Any friend of pizzaguy's is an acquaintance of mine.

[pevergreen]

Welcome :bow:

Any friend of pizzaguy's is prospective spammer.

fixed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

fixed.

Actually, I think you'll find she's the opposite of me in that regard. She's not very computer savvy and she simply cannot type as fast, and she will freely admit it. I will be surprised if you get two paragraphs out of her all game.

Tis a good learning experience though.

[CountArach]

I will be surprised if you get two paragraphs out of her all game.
The gauntlet has been thrown down!

[F.C is the bees knees]

In.

[boudica]

I didn't think I'd have time for this, I probably don't:laugh4: but anything I can do to support the cause. Any cause.

In:yes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think it was... 3 days or so after Reenk's game, this one is set to start, yes?

Good. :smash:




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[pevergreen]

No more ads:whip:

:grin2:

So yes, 3 days from now, Sunday evening around 6pm GMT +10 (No Daylight Savings [It is 6:24 now, for reference]) the game will start. I hope. I really do need a minimum of 28.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I will attempt to get you your three players.

:shame:

My recruiting abilities are second only to Andres, and I'm giving him a run for his money this year. :laugh2:

[Sigurd]

Are you sure you have invited all in the player database?
I have not received an invitation...

In btw.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I took care of everyone else on the database. No need to spam anyone there. Have to recruit the old fashioned way if that fails... approximately 7 pm's sent.

[pevergreen]

I actually had not contacted anyone, as I didn't want duplicate invites sent.

I have about 6 unread PMs that i've sent over the last year, all inviting people to mafia games.

[Greyblades]

Would you mind if I join?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I did my best... seems people didn't even read my invite messages.

But I snagged you one pokemon. He is Greyblades, he's a level 80 Steel-type, with the ability to Cut, Swords Dance, Bide, and Explode. He has high speed and defense, and he looks really cool when battling Scizor.

[Thermal]

I did my best... seems people didn't even read my invite messages.

But I snagged you one pokemon. He is Greyblades, he's a level 80 Steel-type, with the ability to Cut, Swords Dance, Bide, and Explode. He has high speed and defense, and he looks really cool when battling Scizor.

:inquisitive:

[pevergreen]

I did my best... seems people didn't even read my invite messages.

But I snagged you one pokemon. He is Greyblades, he's a level 80 Steel-type, with the ability to Cut, Swords Dance, Bide, and Explode. He has high speed and defense, and he looks really cool when battling Scizor.

This close to putting you on ignore.

:grin2::beam::beam::beam::beam:

[GeneralHankerchief]

pev? We good to go?

[A Very Super Market]

He's dead. And Ares killed him. No more game... :(

[pevergreen]

I reaaaaallly need 28 people for this to be balanced.

By the rules of the gameroom, the earliest I can start this is 9:30 am tomorrow (my time)

Shall do some PM'ing later tonight, but if you people have friends that arent playing, get them in!

:no: No one ever joins my games...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh well; I'll stay if you need people this badly. :medievalcheers:

[Beefy187]

Try Chaotix, Omanes, Warluster and maybe ichigo if he can make it.

Who ales may want to play?

And try Double A his from TWC and he should be around somewhere

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think Ichi doesn't want invites at the moment, and Chaotix seemed too busy last I asked.

[Beefy187]

What about The Flax?

[Askthepizzaguy]

He's got control of the Senate and the Courts. He's far too dangerous to be left alive.








translation: I have no idea.

[Beefy187]

He's got control of the Senate and the Courts. He's far too dangerous to be left alive.

Take your Parpatine some where eles... I hear pever :smash:

[Thermal]

He's dead. And Ares killed him. No more game... :(

yeah about that :creep:

[Yoyoma1910]

Why not try and get some adds around the forums?


You might get your 3 people.

[pevergreen]

I've PM'd about 10 people.

As for ads...they dont ever seem to work for my games. :laugh4:

It might be a good idea for me to start the roles and everything.

[Ituralde]

I'm in! :2thumbsup:

[El Diablo]

In...

See even my balloons are green... :balloon2::balloon2:

(it would be good if this could start on St Patricks day)

[Thermal]

woo el diablos back, where were you?

[Askthepizzaguy]

He's El Diablo... isn't it obvious where he was?

:devil:

[F.C is the bees knees]

cool one more.

[pevergreen]

We have enough!

I shall start the Randomisation now!

[Beefy187]

We have enough!

I shall start the Randomisation now!

Can you wait for one more?

Theres a new player who wants to join some game

[pevergreen]

Yeah sure. Get them to post.

[Beefy187]

I sent him a pm to direct him here.

Hopefully he shows up any minute now.

[F.C is the bees knees]

Dammit he/she's taking too long.

[pevergreen]

:laugh4:

I'm just doing the roles anyway.

Beefy...I don't want to say too much but...meow.

[Beefy187]

Dammit he/she's taking too long.

His not online atm so I can't do much more. My fault for waking up soo late :wall:

Start when your ready pever :2thumbsup:

[Sigurd]

Can you wait for one more?

Theres a new player who wants to join some game
Just a remainder... new patrons need to apply for membership to the user group: gameroom.
They can't post until either I or Andres lets them in.

[Beefy187]

Just a remainder... new patrons need to apply for membership to the user group: gameroom.
They can't post until either I or Andres lets them in.

I forgot about that :sweatdrop:

His name is
Publius Aelius Hadrianus, although I would rather if he apply him self.

I'll just send a pm to him to remind that.

[El Diablo]

woo el diablos back, where were you?

Ha ha I was hanging out in the fires of hades... you know us diablo's!

Nah, just had loads on in real life.

Nothing serious or bad just busy.

Any reason for moving the 7's to either side of the name there Ares? Were they not getting on or just a move around for the sake of it?

[pevergreen]

A boy rides his red bike down a country road. It is a gentle decline, perfect for gaining speed at a comfortable rate. Shouts of joy are heard as this boy races along. Then, silence.

"Ah :daisy: What the hell is this then?"

The young boy scoops something off the ground...a dead cat. Looking quickly around, he sees a house right next to him, so he dashes inside.

"Hello? This cat, I think its :daisy: dead!"

"What the :daisy: Davey! What did you do! You ran him over! Oh this is just :daisy: brilliant!"

"I did not Donney! It was there, in the middle of the :daisy: road!"

"You did so, you lying :daisy:! Look, I can see the track marks on the body! See? Theres a line of black on the whit..." Donney goes silent, staring at the cat.

"It was like that when I found him Donney. Donney? What you :daisy: looking at then?"

"This cat...its Wee Thomas."

"Its :daisy: dead, thats what it is."

"No you don't understand Davey. Its Wee Thomas. This sorry excuse for a cat has been my sons only friend for the last 15 years."

"Just get him a new one!"

"No you don't :daisy: understand. Its my son. Its...Padraic."

Davey's jaw drops.

"Wha...bu....sha....:daisy::daisy: :daisy::daisy::daisy: :daisy::daisy::daisy:"

"And what you said, thats just putting it lightly Davey. You better call him. Tell him that his cat is poorly, that way we can break the news to him gently, and we might live."

"Call him? :daisy: off, I'm not doing that!"

"You'll do it or I'll do it and say you killed Wee Thomas."

Davey whimpers.

"ok, I'll call him."

To be continued...

Waiting on PMs back and then the Night 0 will begin.

(thats just so I can have rounds starting/ending at a decent time for me. Nothing will happen Night 0, so the game will start with a day phase.)

[F.C is the bees knees]

i never got a pm

[A Very Super Market]

What PMs?

[El Diablo]

What PMs?

It's a private message - a sort of .org internal email. pever will send you one to tell you your role, be it mafia or town or whatever.

I also have not got one yet. :whip: :laugh4:

[A Very Super Market]

Well, yeah, thats what I meant. No PMs seem to have been sene out yet.

[El Diablo]

Sorry I misread your post :wall:

[Thermal]

Ha ha I was hanging out in the fires of hades... you know us diablo's!

Nah, just had loads on in real life.

Nothing serious or bad just busy.

Any reason for moving the 7's to either side of the name there Ares? Were they not getting on or just a move around for the sake of it?

seven 2 and seven 5 were having bitchy cat fights, not good. :no: I separated them and watered them more, there growing well :yes:

[pevergreen]

Townies do not receive PMs, however, not all roles have been assigned. I am still waiting on the Godfathers choices. After that, I still have to assign the remaining roles, then I can begin.

[Thermal]

So we already have some very likely confirmed townies?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not at all. It's a very obvious tactic to claim that you haven't got a role PM yet.

I know I certainly got mine. It's a long one, too.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So we already have some very likely confirmed townies?

:laugh4:

[pevergreen]

Even if you were all to confirm that you don't have PMs yet, I still have to send...8 out. So anyone could become mafia.

[Beefy187]

Ignore me.. So the townies don't get pms

[El Diablo]

Well that is a relief, I thought that was just not welcomed! :laugh4:

Let us know when we are good to go then pever!

[pevergreen]

You'll know when. The screams will tell you when.

Can you guess what the intro story to the game is Beefy? :evilgrin:

[Beefy187]

You'll know when. The screams will tell you when.

Can you guess what the intro story to the game is Beefy? :evilgrin:

Oh yea :laugh4:

Now the fun begins

[Askthepizzaguy]

I know I certainly got mine. It's a long one, too.

And here it is:


Askthepizzaguy:

You are the Grandmaster of the Irish Republican Army. Your task is to recruit as many people to the cause of Ireland as possible.


Irish Republican Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Army)

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) (Irish: Óglaigh na hÉireann[1]) was an Irish republican revolutionary military organisation descended from the Irish Volunteers, established 25 November 1913 and who in April 1916 staged the Easter Rising.[2] The Irish Volunteers were recognised in 1919 by Dáil Éireann (its elected assembly) as the legitimate army of the unilaterally declared Irish Republic, the Irish state proclaimed at Easter in 1916 and reaffirmed by the Dáil in January 1919. Thereafter, the IRA waged a guerrilla campaign against British rule in Ireland in the Irish War of Independence from 1919–1921.

The original IRA split in 1922. After the signing of the Anglo-Irish Treaty in 1921, members of the IRA who supported the Treaty formed the nucleus of the National Army founded by IRA leader Michael Collins. However, a high proportion of the IRA was opposed to the treaty. The anti-Treaty IRA fought a civil war with their former comrades in 1922–23, with the intention of creating a fully independent all Ireland republic. Having lost the civil war, this group remained in existence, with the intention of overthrowing both the Irish Free State and Northern Ireland and re-establishing the Irish Republic declared in 1919.Should you fail in your task to save Ireland, they will either revolt and go to the peasants, or they will be conquered by England. Inishmore is in your hands.

Please select two people to be your loyal henchmen. You have 48 hours to respond. Remember, if you are killed in battle, Ireland is finished. Hence the title of the game: Inishmore, a combination of Ireland and Finish. Plus more, not sure why I put that in there. Probably for authenticity. I will remind you that you aren't allowed to post this PM in the thread, because if you do, it will be considered WIFOM and you will be lynched in the very first round, thus causing Ireland to be defeated before they can even destroy any English or rebels.

By the way, I've always been your biggest fan, and I think you're very witty and clever and deserving of all the fame, praise, and adulation you get. You're the original Blitzmaster, your jokes always tickle me pink, and then green, and then back to pink, and then green again. I love your mafia games, you're the best host evar, and everyone should really join the Capo de Tutti Capi III game by following the link in your signature line.

Give em heck, Master Pizzaguy. No one would ever suspect you're the Godfather anyway.While I appreciate the sentiment, my friend pevergreen, I must decline your magnificent offer to make me the leader of all of Ireland. I am too much of a loyal townie who would never, ever betray the town* no matter what happens** and I'm a really trustworthy person who would never use such obvious WIFOM***
:bow:

I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Irish Republican Army. But I didn't say anything about England though. I'm probably the Godfather of that, or at least a henchman. Blatant Capo III ad, in my signature.

[pevergreen]

Damn pizza...now I have to find another Godfather.

[taka]

huh? was that just pizza refusing to be mafia?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah... Of all the players here, I am the most likely to turn down a Godfather role. :bounce:

[taka]

but.... doesnt that defeat the whole point of mafia? you're meant to play to the best your abilities as your given role, pro-town or not

:inquisitive:

[ULC]

*goes off to pout*

I have a handful of daisies to handout after learning this was up for signups but I missed it...*grumbles and goes to say something, but a torrent of daisy makes him gag, forcing him to the ground in agony of the sheer volume of flowers as he slowly suffocates to death*

Sad that he is not ingame ~:mecry:

[Beefy187]

but.... doesnt that defeat the whole point of mafia? you're meant to play to the best your abilities as your given role, pro-town or not

:inquisitive:

Hey taka.. I think ATPGs joking :smash:

[Askthepizzaguy]

No, Beefy, he's right. I am the Irish Godfather. This is just WIFOM, my friend. You sooo won't lynch me now.

[Beefy187]

No, Beefy, he's right. I am the Irish Godfather. This is just WIFOM, my friend. You sooo won't lynch me now.

Your Pm doesn't sound right so I'm 98 percent sure your not :smash:

[Reenk Roink]

Give em heck, Master Pizzaguy. No one would ever suspect you're the Godfather anyway.

This kills it Atpg :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

What didn't sound right? The part where the host of the game is a total pizzaguy fanboy? Or the part where he lavishes enormous, self-serving praise on me? Or the part where I just basically stole from wikipedia to fill in the blanks? Or how it's written in my sloppy, choppy paragraph format? Or perhaps the blatant ad for Capo... or the breaking of the fourth wall.... or how it talks about not posting it in the thread... or how it discusses WIFOM and being lynched on the first round... or how pevergreen refers to his constant name changing from pevergreen to peverpink to pevergreen to peverpink... or perhaps there was that part where he calls me Master Pizzaguy?

Sounded perfectly normal to me.

[taka]

actually, i didnt read all of the pm, just the first part and the very last, so i was like errrr.....

:laugh4:

wifom?! i dont buy that kinda rubbish, Vote:pizza!

[Beefy187]

What didn't sound right? The part where the host of the game is a total pizzaguy fanboy? Or the part where he lavishes enormous, self-serving praise on me? Or the part where I just basically stole from wikipedia to fill in the blanks? Or how it's written in my sloppy, choppy paragraph format? Or perhaps the blatant ad for Capo... or the breaking of the fourth wall.... or how it talks about not posting it in the thread... or how it discusses WIFOM and being lynched on the first round... or how pevergreen refers to his constant name changing from pevergreen to peverpink to pevergreen to peverpink... or perhaps there was that part where he calls me Master Pizzaguy?

Sounded perfectly normal to me.

Except for the part that your pm didn't reflect the story of Inishmore which I suspect it would.
Otherwise its no fun :smash:

Oh and the part which said Pizza guy is great! Pizza guy rulez! kinda kills it. But hey we can lynch you anyway to make sure :laugh4:

[gaelic cowboy]

As the only Fior Gael I have to ask what is this mafia thingy and how does one signup and play more to the point Up the Republic

[A Very Super Market]

Uh.. you sign up when people make threads that say "Sign-ups" in their name...


And..... I almost believed that PM. I guess I'm just easily tricked. Or not...

[pevergreen]

I can still accept sign ups...the grunts havent been chosen, and the random selection of godfather would not have been influenced by having extra people sign up.

So, these new players could still be mafia. Just waiting on choices. :wall:

[pevergreen]

The mafia have been chosen, pro town roles are being randomised now.

[A Very Super Market]

Never mind.

[pevergreen]

It is a dark room. A single light is focused directly downward on the body of Publius Aelius Hadrianus who is tied to a chair. Around the chair walks Padraic.

"So matey...you lead a good life do you? You think you can take away my profits by selling drugs to kiddies?"

"No Padraic, I was just giving them candy and hoping to sleep with them! I promise!"

"Thats :daisy:. You were selling drugs and not giving me the profits. How can I run my splinter group off the IRA when I don't have an income"

As Padraic says this, he squats down and picks up some pliers.

"I think I may have to convince you, friend."

Padraic, with precision, pulls out the toenail from Publius' big toe on his left foot. Publius screams in agony.

"It just isnt nice friend. How am I meant to terrorise the English when I can't even buy a decent bomb? I used my last one to blow up that fish and chip store that charged for the ketchup!"

Padriac pulls out another toenail, this time from his big toe on his right foot.

"See, I'm a nice bloke. Other people would take both toenails from one foot, and then the pain would all be on one side, but I spread it around, make it easier to bear."

"Oh yes, its very nice of you."

"Hmmm yes, it is. Now...which of your nipples do you like better?"

"What? My nipples?"

"Yeah, I'm going to cut one of them off. Its your choice though, I'd hate to deny a man of his favourite nipple."

"I don't know! I like them both!"

Padraic swings around and pulls a massive knife out from nowhere, pressing it against Publius' naked chest.

"You better choose boy, or I'm going to cut both of them off! CHOOSE. NOW."

Publius is freaking out, struggling with all his might to get away from the glinting knife. Just as Padraic begins to cut, the phone rings. He stops, and pulls the knife away looking into Publius' eyes.

"You got lucky. I'm going to take this call, and by then, maybe you will have chosen which one you're going to keep."

Padraic walks around talking on his phone inaudibly.

"Wait, did you say Wee Thomas was poorly? How bad is he? Has he eaten? Is his fur still shiny? Oh I'm coming home. :daisy: this Wee Thomas needs me! I DONT CARE WHAT YOU SAY, I'M COMING FOR WEE THOMAS."

Padraic throws the phone away, before looking back at Publius.

"It looks like our time is up friend, my cat is poorly."

Publius is very scared right now, having heard of how Padraic is about his cat, so he speaks very fast:

"Could it be heartworm? My cat had heartworm a few years ago, nearly died from it too! Just give him a tablet, that'll do, and he'll be right as rain!"

"...Heartworm hey. Lets hope it is, otherwise I'll be coming for you. As for you, lets get you untied and off to the hospital, I don't want those toes going sceptic. Have you got money for a bus?"

Publius shakes his head.

"Ah well, here, take a twenty for a cab. Make sure the doctors take good care of you. You dont have to worry too much about infections, I make sure my pliers are sterile."

Padraic walks out and begins his journey back to Inishmore. It will take him two days.



Alive:
Andres
Beefy187
Captain Blackadder
Jolt
Askthepizzaguy
taka
shlin28
LittleGrizzly
Reenk Roink
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Psychonaut
Lord Winter
White Eyes
Seamus
CountArach
Factionheir
A Very Super Market
Polemists
serierkhaan
777ares777
yoyoma1910
Diana Abnoba
F.C is the bees knees
boudica
Sigurd
greyblades
Alexander the Pretty Good
Ituralde
El Diablo
YLC
gaelic cowboy

Dead:
Publius Aelius Hadrianus

Lynched:

Some rules and so forth:
No revealing in private. No screenshots.
Every person with a role has a name. In any kill writeups or lynches, if a player with a name features in them, their in game name will be used. (eg, If my name is Bob and I kill Beefy, the write up would say that Bob stalked beefy and killed him.)

The town must remove all threats to it to become victorious.

If you have questions, feel free to ask.

Commence Day 1.

This round shall last about 28 hours, then 24 from then on.

[taka]

aw that was pretty harsh to kill someone new to the game

[pevergreen]

To clarify, Publius never actually signed up. Beefy tried to get him to, but there was no response. I needed someone to die for that storyline, so he fit the bill nicely.

[taka]

o..... lol :wall:

[Reenk Roink]

o..... lol :wall:

It's clear taka is playing dumb.

I am pretty sure he is Mafia but I must stick with tradition and abstain courteously :bow:

[A Very Super Market]

But he didn't die...

Is that a dig at Irish healthcare?

[taka]

you what? how could i know that he wasnt playing? there were like about 4 pages of randomness before the game started

anyways as usual i too vote: abstain

[Lord Winter]

Vote: Askthepizza guy.

and the Lord said let the wall of text come forth...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I will vote:taka

[Askthepizzaguy]

The mafia have been chosen, pro town roles are being randomised now.

I volunteer for the first lynch. Go get them, fellas. :smash:

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

[Beefy187]

Gaelic Cowboy sounds like Irish to me. And his new so he deserves a welcome vote. And his on the bottom of the list and lynching from the bottom to top means I get to live longer.

Vote:Gaelic Cowboy

Welcome to mafia :beam:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I volunteer for the first lynch. Go get them, fellas. :smash:

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

have it your way...unvote:taka, vote:Pizza

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sasaki: :bow:

With this many people, you're just going to hit an innocent or a pro-town role. Even if you got close to catching a mafia, they would just manipulate the tally and avoid it.

As such, I'm volunteering to go first. I'd like any and all votes, please.

[Reenk Roink]

Sasaki: :bow:

With this many people, you're just going to hit an innocent or a pro-town role. Even if you got close to catching a mafia, they would just manipulate the tally and avoid it.

As such, I'm volunteering to go first. I'd like any and all votes, please.

Extremely counterproductive. I am determined to stop you! :stare:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Extremely counterproductive. I am determined to stop you! :stare:

Reenk Roink: Defender of Pizzaguy?

What is the world coming to??

[A Very Super Market]

We need more provocation!

Vote: Askthepizzaguy :D

[Askthepizzaguy]

Extremely counterproductive. I am determined to stop you! :stare:

Why? Why is that not a good plan? I am listening.

In this game, we have what, two mafia families? They are against one another, and the town is just caught in the middle. We need to do all we can to spare what pro-town roles we have, for as long as possible.

@Sasaki-

It's certainly topsy-turvy all right. :laugh2:

[Beefy187]

Why? Why is that not a good plan? I am listening.

In this game, we have what, two mafia families? They are against one another, and the town is just caught in the middle. We need to do all we can to spare what pro-town roles we have, for as long as possible.

@Sasaki-

It's certainly topsy-turvy all right. :laugh2:

If your innocent
1. Well.. One less lynch we can use..
2. Creates WIFOM
3. Being lynched reduces your credibility as a townie.

If your guilty
1. "Hey I volunteered to die round 1. So listen to me"
2. Privately contact lots of players, talk about your heroic act of sacrifice and making them trust you.
3. At worst your probebly just a hench man.

Congratulations Pizza guy. Its my policy to lynch anyone including my self who creates WIFOM.

Vote: ATPG

[Captain Blackadder]

All WIFOM have to go

VOTE ATPG

However even after you die I hope you will continue with the anlysis to get the british and the IRA out of our town.

[Reenk Roink]

I will kill anyone who votes for Atpg. Dead serious. Try me.

[Lord Winter]

Not to mention that it stifles any discussion we will get this round, and that also goes at this bandwagon that has sprung up against your perfectly in character yet still poor townie move.

Unvote: Pizza
Vote: A very super market

Unhelpful bandwagoning.

[A Very Super Market]

I'm not sure how you could be unhelpful by voting for someone who is volunteering to get lynched. Its the first day, and no one knows anything. Still, it was a joke vote, I will retract it.

Unvote: Askthepizzaguy

[Beefy187]

Not to mention that it stifles any discussion we will get this round, and that also goes at this bandwagon that has sprung up against your perfectly in character yet still poor townie move.

Unvote: Pizza
Vote: A very super market

Unhelpful bandwagoning.

Not only you voted Pizza to start with but changing your votes using the reason of unhelpful bandwagoning is fishy.

At least bandwagoners are doing what the man asked for.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I thought it was a good idea. I am sorry. :shrug:

I will continue to assist the town in any way I can after I die, of course. If several people want me to unvote myself, I will.

Tally:

abstain: 3 (Reenk Roink, Taka, A Very Super Market)
Askthepizzaguy: 4 (Askthepizzaguy, Sasaki, Beefy187, Captain Blackadder)
A very super market: 1 (Lord Winter)

[Lord Winter]

Not only you voted Pizza to start with but changing your votes using the reason of unhelpful bandwagoning is fishy.

At least bandwagoners are doing what the man asked for.

I voted pizza before the bandwagon started as a random start vote. Once the bandwagon got going it was serving a useless function. I was just trying to generate more discussion.

[Beefy187]

I voted pizza before the bandwagon started as a random start vote. Once the bandwagon got going it was serving a useless function. I was just trying to generate more discussion.

Ah my bad. Should've been more careful..

[Andres]

I volunteer for the first lynch. Go get them, fellas. :smash:

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Ah, a volunteer.

Vote : ATPG

[Andres]

But then again, if ATPG is the masochist who wants to get hurt and I'm the sadist, wouldn't it be more cruel not to hurt him?

Unvote : ATPG

We will not lynch you! Muahahahaha :devil:

Vote : Sasaki

[Ituralde]

First mafia game in a long time. Time to get back in the loop.

I'll go with

vote: ATPG

for creating WIFOM. He's obviously not a godfather because then he wouldn't joke about being a godfather, but then what if he is the godfather. Killing him now seems the easy way out.

[naut]

Vote: Polemists

Random, with a hint of intuition.

[FactionHeir]

pever, can I get a role PM please?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I tried to generate discussion, but I don't see much discussion happening. I'm not the Godfather, because that would completely bury my team mates. I'd be ballsy/dumb enough to do this as a regular mafia, perhaps not on the first round, but it would be downright selfish to try such a prank if I were a Godfather. I am not any such thing. Were I a Godfather, I would have to answer to my teammates for letting them down, and seriously, no player would sabotage other people's fun by suiciding an entire team. What I set out to do has been accomplished, now I shall use my vote for more productive things. I'm quite happy being lynched, still enough votes on me to keep me near the lead, but let's try to get some lurkers talking.

unvote: Askthepizzaguy
vote: Polemists

Just to get him talking. Couple of pressure votes ought to do it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

pever, can I get a role PM please?

Classic. :yes:


He's obviously not a godfather because then he wouldn't joke about being a godfather, but then what if he is the godfatherThen I would be stupid, something I am not. Ballsy yes, stupid no. What if I were Martha Stewart? Wouldn't that just BLOW your MIND!?!? :laugh4:

[pevergreen]

pever, can I get a role PM please?

I'd love to create a role for my favourite modder, but townies don't get role PMs, and all storyline characters have their roles. No more to be had. :no:

[Yoyoma1910]

Vote:FactionHeir

For old times sake.

[FactionHeir]

Gaelic Cowboy sounds like Irish to me. And his new so he deserves a welcome vote. And his on the bottom of the list and lynching from the bottom to top means I get to live longer.

Vote:Gaelic Cowboy

Welcome to mafia :beam:

Not Beefy like.
vote Beeefy

[Beefy187]

Not Beefy like.
vote Beeefy

Change!

Yes We Can!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ach, what an easy round for the mafia to hide in. :no:

Vote: Captain Blackadder

[FactionHeir]

I believe the backroom is the door to your left. :wink:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

What a fitting start day!


GH: Seconded. Not much of a pattern to this one as yet. At this juncture with this much fragmentation, however, I don't think we can expect much of a shift. Still, we ought to take note of who does NOT participate -- Paddy doesn't arrive for a couple of days, no?


And to all of you and yours: Slainte! Éirinn go bráth!

[ULC]

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee! I'm in!

Activate, Bandwagoning Powers!

Vote: Polemists

[Askthepizzaguy]

In case Polemists seriously just didn't log in or show up this round, I think it would be fair to make sure the bandwagon on him isn't too large. That way we can pressure vote others.

edit-

Last Activity: Today 06:09

Ooh, never mind then. He should have said something in the thread.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Askthepizzaguy: 4 (Sasaki, Beefy187, Captain Blackadder, Ituralde)
Polemists: 3 (Psychonaut, Askthepizzaguy, YLC)
A very super market: 1 (Lord Winter)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)
FactionHeir: 1 (Yoyoma1910)
Beefy: 1 (FactionHeir)
Captain Blackadder: 1 (GH)

abstain: 3 (Reenk Roink, Taka, A Very Super Market)

This is what I have for the tally so far, double checking.

[boudica]

vote: Gaelic Cowboy

For doing a botch job on my double glazing and charging me the earth (...or something)

Note: I shall be at a funeral tomorrow and have v. limited internet access. Will try to check comp in the morning before we leave (GMT)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Double checked, updated.


Askthepizzaguy: 4 (Sasaki, Beefy187, Captain Blackadder, Ituralde)
Polemists: 3 (Psychonaut, Askthepizzaguy, YLC)
A very super market: 1 (Lord Winter)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)
FactionHeir: 1 (Yoyoma1910)
Beefy: 1 (FactionHeir)
Captain Blackadder: 1 (GH)
Gaelic Cowboy: 1 (boudica)

vote log
Reenk abstained
taka abstained
LW votes pizza
Sasaki votes taka
ATPG votes ATPG
Beefy votes Gaelic
Sasaki unvotes, votes Pizza
AVSM votes ATPG
Beefy votes ATPG
Blackadder votes ATPG
Lord Winter unvotes, votes AVSM
AVSM unvotes ATPG, abstains
Andres votes ATPG
Andres unvotes, votes Sasaki
Ituralde votes ATPG
Psycho votes Polemists
ATPG unvotes, votes Polemists
Yoyoma votes FH
FH votes Beefy
GH votes Blackadder
Seamus abstains
YLC votes Polemists
Boudica votes gaelic

[Greyblades]

Vote: Psychonaut lynch me in Psycho mafia will you?! :P
Real vote:Abstain
Removed spoilers for ATPG

[Askthepizzaguy]

That is hilarious, GreyBlades, but I am not sure that is legal.

Votes hidden in spoilers, even as a joke, is probably a no-no and they won't count and can be overlooked. It's inconvenient to people doing a tally. You'll probably want to unvote and try again. :smash:

[F.C is the bees knees]

Vote: taka for abstaining aka chickening out and his name is the only one i can remember

[Greyblades]

Language...
ATPG i removed the spoilers as you asked.

[F.C is the bees knees]

i know sorry. won't happen again.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I mentioned that to FC, too. At this point, I'm almost acting like an assistant moderator. Got a lot of time on my hands these days, for now. Soon, must apply for jobs. Like this week.

:bow:

LOL @FC. You truly are the bees knees.

[Diana Abnoba]

Well alot of talking, but not much clues, not sure who to vote for-from what I've heard Beefy is usually not this aggressive, plus that cow freaks me out. :laugh4:

Vote: Beefy

[Thermal]

Well alot of talking, but not much clues, not sure who to vote for-from what I've heard Beefy is usually not this aggressive, plus that cow freaks me out. :laugh4:

Vote: Beefy

You can blame me for that.

I'm with Reenk here, leave the suicidal pizza man alone!

vote: abstain, sexily :love:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I personally think the cow is cute. The eyes are scary, but the rest is awesome. :2thumbsup:

[Diana Abnoba]

sexily :love:

Ooohh, what has pizzaguy been telling you about me ~:flirt:

[Thermal]

Ooohh, what has pizzaguy been telling you about me ~:flirt:

Not much other than saying your quiet, I'm not so sure :wink2:

[El Diablo]

Don't like voting abstain
Don't like voting uninformed....

Vote Abstain

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Not much other than saying your quiet, I'm not so sure :wink2:

Just remember Ares, what most of the neighbors say about their local serial killer.....you ALWAYS have to watch out for the quiet ones. ~;)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pizza, you constantly try and back out of these self-lynch situations. If you were ever mafia you would be forced to propose such a thing or we would all notice that you hadn't. So you would do it as mafia. You're just going to keep getting lynched on principle until you realize that. Especially since if we don't lynch you now, the first time we get a mafioso on the ropes they'll have an instant scapegoat to save themselves with.

[Greyblades]

Is it my imagination or are you talking in circles?

[Thermal]

Just remember Ares, what most of the neighbors say about their local serial killer.....you ALWAYS have to watch out for the quiet ones. ~;)

Well no one seems to have applied that theory to the troublesome lurker streak of our very own Taka :whip:

(And your right ;)

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Well no one seems to have applied that theory to the troublesome lurker streak of our very own Taka :whip:

(And your right ;)

I tried! I really did try several times in GF3! It was always dismissed or ignored....

[shlin28]

Top o' the morning to you me maties!

Beefy says: "Yes we can!"

...

Blatant ripoff from my awsome campaign to be the most brilliant CoP everz. :furious3:

Vote: Beefy

[seireikhaan]

Vote: El Diablo

[White_eyes:D]

Vote:BeefyThe cow is scary, Nuff said. :smoking:

[Greyblades]

Wait are we(townies) the English, loyal (English supporting) Irish, Disgruntelled irish or the IRA?

[A Very Super Market]

Townies just need to survive.

IRA wants England gone

England wants IRA gone

Townies are stuck in the middle.



I think...

[Greyblades]

No I mean: are we loyal irish trying to Execute the IRA or disgruntled irish trying to lynch the English?

[A Very Super Market]

Both?

Where is pevergreen?

[Jolt]

I'm not Irish. I'm a martian leprechaun which crashed in the island. Fortunatly, Irish mistake me for being Irish.

Vote: Abstain

[Askthepizzaguy]

Updated Tally:


Askthepizzaguy: 4 (Sasaki, Beefy187, Captain Blackadder, Ituralde)
Beefy: 4 (FactionHeir, Diana Abnoba, shlin28, white_eyes)
Polemists: 3 (Psychonaut, Askthepizzaguy, YLC)
A very super market: 1 (Lord Winter)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)
FactionHeir: 1 (Yoyoma1910)
Captain Blackadder: 1 (GH)
Gaelic Cowboy: 1 (boudica)
Taka: 1 (F.C.)
El Diablo: 1 (Seireikhaan)


abstain: 7 (Reenk Roink, Taka, A Very Super Market, greyblades, Ares, El Diablo, Jolt)

Can someone double check my tally.

[Thermal]

I refuse to let Beefy be lynched because his Signature is scary, I cannot let him take the blame for my work, ATPG is a victim of his own suicidal tendency, for those reasons I'm willing to tie this up.


unvote
vote: Polemists

I'd much rather us rid ourselves of someone who hasn't even turned up as a pose to two dedicated players.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Triple tie...I like it.

[Thermal]

Triple tie...I like it.

Providing only one dies, then yes it does make things a bit more interesting, though I feel Polemists is the better choice for reasons stated above....

[Askthepizzaguy]

I was considering voting for Beefy, actually, since Polemists isn't barking. But my suspicions of Beefy can wait one round. Besides, I would prefer an active player like beefy over a lurker.

I am fine with being this round's lynch, but I'd like to hear from either Polemists or Beefy before I re-vote myself. Master beefy teaches patience. I said I would be fine with lynching myself, in fact, if either one of these players makes a defense that I can live with, I'll cap myself.


Tally-

Askthepizzaguy: 4 (Sasaki, Beefy187, Captain Blackadder, Ituralde)
Beefy: 4 (FactionHeir, Diana Abnoba, shlin28, white_eyes)
Polemists: 4 (Psychonaut, Askthepizzaguy, YLC, 777Ares777)

A very super market: 1 (Lord Winter)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)
FactionHeir: 1 (Yoyoma1910)
Captain Blackadder: 1 (GH)
Gaelic Cowboy: 1 (boudica)
Taka: 1 (F.C.)
El Diablo: 1 (Seireikhaan)


abstain: 7 (Reenk Roink, Taka, A Very Super Market, greyblades, El Diablo, Jolt)

[Yoyoma1910]

Obviously Beefy can't be part of the Republican army... He uses rhetoric from the Democrats.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

vote: abstain, I want to see what some in the triumvirate want to say for themselves...

Askthepizzaguy: 4 (Sasaki, Beefy187, Captain Blackadder, Ituralde)
Beefy: 4 (FactionHeir, Diana Abnoba, shlin28, white_eyes)
Polemists: 4 (Psychonaut, Askthepizzaguy, YLC, 777Ares777)

A very super market: 1 (Lord Winter)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)
FactionHeir: 1 (Yoyoma1910)
Captain Blackadder: 1 (GH)
Gaelic Cowboy: 1 (boudica)
Taka: 1 (F.C.)
El Diablo: 1 (Seireikhaan)


abstain: 8 (Reenk Roink, Taka, A Very Super Market, greyblades, El Diablo, Jolt, AtPG)

/the good news is you guys can keep voting for ATPG after pizzaguy dies. ~;)

[taka]

Vote: taka for abstaining aka chickening out and his name is the only one i can remember

:inquisitive:

i just realised the first write-up/story about davey and the cat in the summary thread lol

i wonder what will happen to davey? that padraic doesnt seem very nice...

[Beefy187]

No I mean: are we loyal irish trying to Execute the IRA or disgruntled irish trying to lynch the English?

We are Irish who don't want anything to do with either and just want to live in peace.

So in a simpler terms.. We hate them both

[Askthepizzaguy]

Beefy, you've seen this play. What can you tell us about it? All I found was a summary on wikipedia, and I don't trust it.

[Beefy187]

Beefy, you've seen this play. What can you tell us about it? All I found was a summary on wikipedia, and I don't trust it.

Because pever wrote it? :laugh4:

I don't want to spoil what happens later though.. But what do you want to know about it?

Oo! And heres my plead.
Ummm... Moo!!

[Greyblades]

Well this is interesting; Anyone can tip the balance, but, nobody will because they will be practically branded as a mafia, going for an easy kill...

[Askthepizzaguy]

:laugh4:

I really don't want to vote for you Beefy. You're too much freakin' fun.

[Beefy187]

Unvote: ATPG

I rather die now then witness the chaos later.

Bye Ireland! I shall have a reincarnation and reborn in more peaceful country.

[Yoyoma1910]

Ummm... Moo!!




I heard that in Ireland all the cows are vampiracle.



It's true.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No one really takes the time to do a really sinister interrogation anymore. I think Beefy is innocent, for now.

Leave Beefy alone for one round, people.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No one really takes the time to do a really sinister interrogation anymore. I think Beefy is innocent, for now.

Leave Beefy alone for one round, people.

We have 8 hours left... :coffeenews:

[Beefy187]

No one really takes the time to do a really sinister interrogation anymore. I think Beefy is innocent, for now.

Leave Beefy alone for one round, people.

If you don't lynch me now, you'll have peoples paranoid from WIFOM cycle.

But no sane mafia would risk them self like that in round one.

But he could be ballsey mafia.

But...


My fault for making WIFOM. So I will gladly accept the consequences.

[Askthepizzaguy]

We have 8 hours left... :coffeenews:

Good. Let's give Polemist a chance to show up and defend himself.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Good. Let's give Polemist a chance to show up and defend himself.

Defend himself from what?

And you miss my point...unvoting oneself 8 hours before deadline when, if you were mafia, you would have 2 buddies watching your back is hardly a good indicator if innocence. Beefy did the same thing in the GF3.

edit: I don't think it's sporting to lynch someone in their first mafia game just because they haven't turned up. For all we know he doesn't even know the game has started.

On the other hand pizza, after demanding that he be lynched once again, is now trying to get someone else lynched, as always, which is the kind of action that will lead to him being lynched in the next couple rounds or whenever the mafia feel like having a scapegoat. Pizza is the better lynch for today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fair enough, Sasaki. You do have a point, as always.

Sometimes I wonder if you charge for these lessons. :laugh2:

[Beefy187]

Thats why I need unbelievable amount of votes on me so I can't do that.

Besides if my imaginary friends does that then...I'm due for next round.
If I do die. Good.
If I don't know that I'm innocent but make sure you get me lynch next round.

And look out for those who unvotes me or piles votes on other candidates. They're scums.

And If I survive I bet two green baloons that mafia would do a night write up pointing towards my guilt. And that they won't do that now because either pever is doing the write ups or they changed their minds just to get the green baloons.

Its good that I get to talk for a change. Instead of smiley spams in Psycho :sweatdrop:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're defending someone who has had the chance to show up and vote, but didn't, Sasaki.

You seem dead sure I am a better lynch this round, even after I basically handed the town my head. After 3 games in a row of killing myself as a townie, you still insist that suicidal behavior makes me a good lynch.

If Reenk Roink gets a pass on his Reenkosity, I should be afforded the chance to play the game as I see fit, as a valid strategy. I hate dead certainty coming from a player on round one, when we are all supposedly in the dark.

FoS: Sasaki.

[Jolt]

You enjoy using your finger a lot ATPG. To be fair only when I made the last post some hours ago was when I noticed the game had started (Since I recieved no role PM) and therefore kept waiting for it to start (I wasn't even sure I had signed up after I saw the "IN PLAY" sign.)

[Greyblades]

I think Beefy has a suicide role.
I would rather not be fooled by another one after white_eyes:D "win" in the NWN game... I realy wish that that game would start up again...

[Beefy187]

You enjoy using your finger a lot ATPG. To be fair only when I made the last post some hours ago was when I noticed the game had started (Since I recieved no role PM) and therefore kept waiting for it to start (I wasn't even sure I had signed up after I saw the "IN PLAY" sign.)

Specially when you don't visit the gameroom often, that could be a problem.

I suggest someone prod everyone who havn't been on here and notice the game has started.

@ Grenblades

I wouldn't have to try so hard to get my self lynched if I do have a suicide role :laugh4:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Speaking of which...it seems a little early for reenk to be starting one of his crusades. When townie they come to him naturally, this one seems more deliberate.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's a fair cop, Jolt; however Polemists showed up after the game began. I'll send him a prod to make sure he knows. He's got time.

And Beefy has no suicide role, Greyblades. He doesn't seem to be playing a suicide strategy. I'm not sure what else he is though, I'm trying to find out.

[pevergreen]

I think Beefy has a suicide role.

3 Mafia (IRA)
3 Mafia (English)
3 Pro Town
2 other roles.

No suicide roles.

[Greyblades]

...Then why is he so committed to getting lynched?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wine in front of me. Same reason people voted me after I invited them to do so.

Trouble is, I don't think that's Beefy's typical play.

[Greyblades]

...wait theres two mafia groups? Where do i sign up for the English one? :P... Wait... why would the english want to kill all the innocent townies anyway?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Curious.

You didn't read the story, Greyblades? See, even if you didn't see the play, you could still glean from the host who we are fighting against.

I don't get it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The town of Inishmore, just off the west coast of Ireland is a peaceful town. There is only the ferry in and out of the island it is on. For many years the peace loving Irish that reside there knew only happiness. Until the English. It is 1903, many Irish patriots are sick of the United Kingdom. They wish for a free Ireland, an Irish Republic. These "patriots" begin attacks on anything british. Many suspect they just enjoy the killing and destruction. The IRA (Irish Republic Army) is but a small group, but a feared one. The town of Inishmore was reported to be its headquarters, so the English have sent some "peace keepers" onto the Island, sealing it. The government brands the IRA as terrorists and begins to hunt them down.

The stage is set.

The IRA wish for a free Ireland by elimination of the British troops.

The English seek to destroy the IRA.

The residents of Inishmore just wish to be rid of the both of them and go back to living in peace.

This is how it happened...

So thats the story for this large game, The fight for Inishmore.

The residents of Inishmore are the town, the IRA and English are two mafia families, to put it into vanilla terms.

However, due to the inspiration this game comes from, as well as the epic games of Silver Rusher and Seamus, this game also uses the Godfather mechanic. If the "Godfather" is lynched or killed that "mafia family" will cease to exist, the remaining players, if any, attempt to flee the island and drown.

As always, there may be a twist, and numbers of "mafia" will depend on overall sign ups. To balance two mafia families, there will be pro town roles.

From the original post.

And there is a play, called the Lieutenant of Inishmore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lieutenant_of_Inishmore

I've heard of it but I've never seen it.

[Greyblades]

@ATPG I have a bad habit of reading things and noticing the fine details but missing out the Obvious parts.
Anyway I assumed that the English were a Vigilante or mason group seeing as us english wanted to control not exterminate the Irish.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Jobsite Theater in Tampa, FL will run the show March 18 - April 5, 2009 at the Tampa Bay Performing Arts Center.

AWESOME. I live near Tampa. :2thumbsup:

If this play is so good pevergreen made a mafia out of it, I want to go see it.

[Beefy187]

@ATPG I have a bad habit of reading things and noticing the fine details but missing out the Obvious parts.
Anyway I assumed that the English were a Vigilante or mason group seeing as us english wanted to control not exterminate the Irish.

Since they are Irish, its their duty to serve the IRA...Well at least thats what IRA says. From English, all Irish who lives around that region are terrorists. Ordinary people just want normal life


AWESOME. I live near Tampa. :2thumbsup:

If this play is so good pevergreen made a mafia out of it, I want to go see it.

Definitely recommended, although if they are going to do their accents, it may be hard to tune in the first few minutes. :2thumbsup:

[Greyblades]

Since they are Irish, its their duty to serve the IRA...Well at least thats what IRA says. From English, all Irish who lives around that region are terrorists. Ordinary people just want normal life

I would like to stop this conversation here before it starts and we get Pever on our backs for going off topic. If you want to talk about this please start up a thread and I will willingly join in.

[taka]

is everyone still talking blah-de-blah? or has anything of use actually come up yet?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tally:


Beefy: 4 (FactionHeir, Diana Abnoba, shlin28, white_eyes)
Polemists: 4 (Psychonaut, Askthepizzaguy, YLC, 777Ares777)

Askthepizzaguy: 3 (Sasaki, Captain Blackadder, Ituralde)

A very super market: 1 (Lord Winter)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)
FactionHeir: 1 (Yoyoma1910)
Captain Blackadder: 1 (GH)
Gaelic Cowboy: 1 (boudica)
Taka: 1 (F.C.)
El Diablo: 1 (Seireikhaan)


abstain: 8 (Reenk Roink, Taka, A Very Super Market, greyblades, El Diablo, Jolt, AtPG)

I still say that given the choice, we should spare Beefy. If Polemists doesn't read the private message I sent him, doesn't show up to vote or post, then Beefy simply is a more valuable player, I am sorry.

I'll invite Polemists to my games, he will get another shot. I'm getting a lot of WIFOM from beefy, but it's the first round, and maybe he's just reacting to the pressure.

[Beefy187]

I would like to stop this conversation here before it starts and we get Pever on our backs for going off topic. If you want to talk about this please start up a thread and I will willingly join in.

You started it. I just gave the answer :smash:
but your right. I'll stop


is everyone still talking blah-de-blah? or has anything of use actually come up yet?

blah de blah. You can't expect anything to pop up on round 1.

[Askthepizzaguy]

blah de blah. You can't expect anything to pop up on round 1.
Yeah, certainly not Lord Winter getting lynched as the sole capitalist on round one. :laugh4:

To be fair though, that is very rare and should not be expected to happen twice.

[A Very Super Market]

I can expect demonic cows to pop up in front of me while I type a response.

Right now, I'm contemplating voting for ATPG again, just to get a three-way tie going. But it would be silly. My vote rests, for now.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I volunteer for the first lynch. Go get them, fellas. :smash:

Vote: Askthepizzaguy


Sasaki: :bow:

With this many people, you're just going to hit an innocent or a pro-town role. Even if you got close to catching a mafia, they would just manipulate the tally and avoid it.

As such, I'm volunteering to go first. I'd like any and all votes, please.

So this was all :daisy: then, pizza? Or are you sure Polemist isn't a pro town role?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I was told by many, many people, that the suicide vote strategy was not good for town. And I still have time to vote for myself. I am trying to keep pressure votes on people while I can to get them to post and discuss. Have you ever seen this much round one vote discussion? I think we had a good exchange of information. Task accomplished. And you folks say it's bad for town.

You've made it clear you think I am guilty for inviting votes on myself, and I've made it clear that I think it's a valid strategy for several reasons, and that I think you're either being closed-minded about it or you're a mafioso who is trying to go for an easy lynch. We will just have to disagree on principle. Everyone has their own perspectives.

[Beefy187]

Question to the host.

If theres two God Fathers, what happens if mafia from the other family attacks the God Father?

[LittleGrizzly]

Haven't got a clue who to vote for....

Getting bored of lynching ATPGuy early on... can't see the reason for voting beefy and the other guy is new and hsn't even posted!

I Vote Abstain

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think we had a good exchange of information.


The Battle of Gettysburg (July 1–3, 1863), fought in and around the town of Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, as part of the Gettysburg Campaign, was the battle with the largest number of casualties in the American Civil War[4] and is frequently cited as the war's turning point.[5] Union Maj. Gen. George Gordon Meade's Army of the Potomac defeated attacks by Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia, ending Lee's invasion of the North.

Following his success at Chancellorsville in May 1863, Lee led his army through the Shenandoah Valley for his second invasion of the North, hoping to reach as far as Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, or even Philadelphia, and to influence Northern politicians to give up their prosecution of the war. Prodded by President Abraham Lincoln, Maj. Gen. Joseph Hooker moved his army in pursuit, but was relieved just three days before the battle and replaced by Meade.

The two armies began to collide at Gettysburg on July 1, 1863, as Lee urgently concentrated his forces there. Low ridges to the northwest of town were defended initially by a Union cavalry division, which was soon reinforced with two corps of Union infantry. However, two large Confederate corps assaulted them from the northwest and north, collapsing the hastily developed Union lines, sending the defenders retreating through the streets of town to the hills just to the south.

On the second day of battle, most of both armies had assembled. The Union line was laid out in a defensive formation resembling a fishhook. Lee launched a heavy assault on the Union left flank, and fierce fighting raged at Little Round Top, the Wheatfield, Devil's Den, and the Peach Orchard. On the Union right, demonstrations escalated into full-scale assaults on Culp's Hill and Cemetery Hill. Across the battlefield, despite significant losses, the Union defenders held their lines.

On the third day of battle, July 3, fighting resumed on Culp's Hill, and cavalry battles raged to the east and south, but the main event was a dramatic infantry assault by 12,500 Confederates against the center of the Union line on Cemetery Ridge. Pickett's Charge was repulsed by Union rifle and artillery fire at great losses to the Confederate army. Lee led his army on a torturous retreat back to Virginia. Between 46,000 and 51,000 Americans were casualties in the three-day battle. That November, President Lincoln used the dedication ceremony for the Gettysburg National Cemetery to honor the fallen and redefine the purpose of the war in his historic Gettysburg Address.

Shortly after the Army of Northern Virginia won a major victory over the Army of the Potomac at the Battle of Chancellorsville (April 30 – May 6, 1863), Robert E. Lee decided upon a second invasion of the North (the first was the unsuccessful Maryland Campaign of September 1862). Such a move would upset Federal plans for the summer campaigning season and possibly reduce the pressure on the besieged Confederate garrison at Vicksburg. It would allow the Confederates to live off the bounty of the rich Northern farms while giving war-ravaged Virginia a much needed rest. In addition, Lee's 72,000-man army[3] could threaten Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Washington, and possibly strengthen the growing peace movement in the North.[6]

Thus, on June 3, Lee's army began to shift northward from Fredericksburg, Virginia. In order to attain more efficiency in his command, Lee had reorganized his two large corps into three new corps. Lt. Gen. James Longstreet retained command of his First Corps. The old corps of deceased Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson was divided into two, with the Second Corps going to Lt. Gen. Richard S. Ewell and the new Third Corps to Lt. Gen. A.P. Hill. The Cavalry Division was commanded by Maj. Gen. J.E.B. Stuart.[7]

The Union Army of the Potomac, under Maj. Gen. Joseph Hooker, consisted of seven infantry corps, a cavalry corps, and an Artillery Reserve, for a combined strength of about 94,000 men.[2] However, President Lincoln replaced Hooker with Maj. Gen. George Gordon Meade, a Pennsylvanian, because of Hooker's defeat at Chancellorsville and his timid response to Lee's second invasion north of the Potomac River.

The first major action of the campaign took place on June 9 between the opposing cavalry forces at Brandy Station, near Culpeper, Virginia. The 9,500 Confederate cavalrymen under Stuart were surprised and nearly routed by Pleasonton's combined arms force of two cavalry divisions (8,000 troopers) and 3,000 infantry, but Stuart eventually repulsed the Union attack. The inconclusive battle, the largest predominantly cavalry engagement of the war, proved that for the first time, the Union horse soldier was equal to his Southern counterpart.[8]

By mid-June, the Army of Northern Virginia was poised to cross the Potomac River and enter Maryland. After defeating the Federal garrisons at Winchester and Martinsburg, Ewell's Second Corps began crossing the river on June 15. Hill's and Longstreet's corps followed on June 24 and June 25. Hooker's army pursued, keeping between the U.S. capital and Lee's army. The Federals crossed the Potomac from June 25 to June 27.[9]

Lee gave strict orders to his army to minimize any negative impacts on the civilian population.[10] Food, horses, and other supplies were generally not seized outright, although quartermasters reimbursing Northern farmers and merchants using Confederate money were not well received. Various towns, most notably York, Pennsylvania, were required to pay indemnities in lieu of supplies, under threat of destruction. The most controversial of the Confederate actions during the invasion was the seizure of some forty northern African Americans, a few of whom were escaped slaves but most freemen. They were sent south into slavery under guard.[11]

On June 26, elements of Maj. Gen. Jubal Early's division of Ewell's Corps occupied the town of Gettysburg after chasing off newly raised Pennsylvania militia in a series of minor skirmishes. Early laid the borough under tribute but did not collect any significant supplies. Soldiers burned several railroad cars and a covered bridge, and they destroyed nearby rails and telegraph lines. The following morning, Early departed for adjacent York County.[12]
This 1863 oval-shaped map depicts Gettysburg Battlefield during July 1-3, 1863, showing troop and artillery positions and movements, relief by hachures, drainage, roads, railroads, and houses with the names of residents at the time of the Battle of Gettysburg.

Meanwhile, in a controversial move, Lee allowed J.E.B. Stuart to take a portion of the army's cavalry and ride around the east flank of the Union army. Lee's orders gave Stuart much latitude, and both generals share the blame for the long absence of Stuart's cavalry, as well as for the failure to assign a more active role to the cavalry left with the army. Stuart and his three best brigades were absent from the army during the crucial phase of the approach to Gettysburg and the first two days of battle. By June 29, Lee's army was strung out in an arc from Chambersburg (28 miles (45 km) northwest of Gettysburg) to Carlisle (30 miles (48 km) north of Gettysburg) to near Harrisburg and Wrightsville on the Susquehanna River.[13]

In a dispute over the use of the forces defending the Harpers Ferry garrison, Hooker offered his resignation, and Abraham Lincoln and General-in-Chief Henry W. Halleck, who were looking for an excuse to get rid of him, immediately accepted. They replaced him early on the morning of June 28 with Maj. Gen. George Gordon Meade, at the time commander of the V Corps.[14]

On June 29, when Lee learned that the Army of the Potomac had crossed the eponymous river, he ordered a concentration of his forces around Cashtown, located at the eastern base of South Mountain and eight miles (13 km) west of Gettysburg.[15] On June 30, while part of Hill's Corps was in Cashtown, one of Hill's brigades, North Carolinians under Brig. Gen. J. Johnston Pettigrew, ventured toward Gettysburg. The memoirs of Maj. Gen. Henry Heth, Pettigrew's division commander, claimed that Pettigrew was in search of a large supply of shoes in town,[16] but this explanation may have been devised in retrospect to justify an overly heavy reconnaissance force.[17]

When Pettigrew's troops approached Gettysburg on June 30, they noticed Union cavalry under Brig. Gen. John Buford arriving south of town, and Pettigrew returned to Cashtown without engaging them. When Pettigrew told Hill and Heth about what he had seen, neither general believed that there was a substantial Federal force in or near the town, suspecting that it had been only Pennsylvania militia. Despite General Lee's order to avoid a general engagement until his entire army was concentrated, Hill decided to mount a significant reconnaissance in force the following morning to determine the size and strength of the enemy force in his front. Around 5 a.m. on Wednesday, July 1, two brigades of Heth's division advanced to Gettysburg.[18]

First day of battle
Further information: Battle of Gettysburg, First Day
Map of battle, July 1, 1863

General Buford realized the importance of the high ground directly to the south of Gettysburg, knowing that if the Confederates could gain control of the heights, Meade's army would have difficulty dislodging them. He decided to utilize three ridges west of Gettysburg: Herr Ridge, McPherson Ridge, and Seminary Ridge (proceeding west to east toward the town). These were appropriate terrain for a delaying action by his small division against superior Confederate infantry forces, meant to buy time awaiting the arrival of Union infantrymen who could occupy the strong defensive positions south of town at Cemetery Hill, Cemetery Ridge, and Culp's Hill.[19]

Heth's division advanced with two brigades forward, commanded by Brig. Gens. James J. Archer and Joseph R. Davis. They proceeded easterly in columns along the Chambersburg Pike. Three miles (5 km) west of town, about 7:30 a.m. on July 1, Heth's two brigades met light resistance from vedettes of Union cavalry, and deployed into line. According to the lore, the first Union soldier to fire was Lt. Marcellus Jones.[20] In 1886 Lt. Jones returned to Gettysburg to mark the spot where he fired the first shot with a monument.[21] Eventually, Heth's men reached dismounted troopers from Col. William Gamble's cavalry brigade, who raised determined resistance and delaying tactics from behind fence posts with fire from their breechloading carbines.[22] By 10:20 a.m., the Confederates had pushed the Union cavalrymen east to McPherson Ridge, when the vanguard of the I Corps (Maj. Gen. John F. Reynolds) finally arrived.[23]

North of the pike, Davis gained a temporary success against Brig. Gen. Lysander Cutler's brigade but was repulsed with heavy losses in an action around an unfinished railroad bed cut in the ridge. South of the pike, Archer's brigade assaulted through Herbst (also known as McPherson's) Woods. The Federal Iron Brigade under Brig. Gen. Solomon Meredith enjoyed initial success against Archer, capturing several hundred men, including Archer himself.[24]

Early in the fighting, while General Reynolds was directing troop and artillery placements just to the east of the woods, he fell from his horse, killed by a bullet, which struck him behind the right ear.[25] Maj. Gen. Abner Doubleday assumed command. Fighting in the Chambersburg Pike area lasted until about 12:30 p.m. It resumed around 2:30 p.m., when Heth's entire division engaged, adding the brigades of Pettigrew and Col. John M. Brockenbrough.[26]

As Pettigrew's North Carolina Brigade came on line, they flanked the 19th Indiana and drove the Iron Brigade back. The 26th North Carolina (the largest regiment in the army with 839 men) lost heavily, leaving the first day's fight with around 212 men. By the end of the three-day battle, they had about 152 men standing, the highest casualty percentage for one battle of any regiment, North or South.[27] Slowly the Iron Brigade was pushed out of the woods toward Seminary Ridge. Hill added Maj. Gen. William Dorsey Pender's division to the assault, and the I Corps was driven back through the grounds of the Lutheran Seminary and Gettysburg streets.[28]

As the fighting to the west proceeded, two divisions of Ewell's Second Corps, marching west toward Cashtown in accordance with Lee's order for the army to concentrate in that vicinity, turned south on the Carlisle and Harrisburg Roads toward Gettysburg, while the Union XI Corps (Maj. Gen. Oliver O. Howard) raced north on the Baltimore Pike and Taneytown Road. By early afternoon, the Federal line ran in a semi-circle west, north, and northeast of Gettysburg.[29]

However, the Federals did not have enough troops; Cutler, who was deployed north of the Chambersburg Pike, had his right flank in the air. The leftmost division of the XI Corps was unable to deploy in time to strengthen the line, so Doubleday was forced to throw in reserve brigades to salvage his line.[30]

Around 2:00 p.m., the Second Corps divisions of Maj. Gens. Robert E. Rodes and Jubal Early assaulted and out-flanked the Union I and XI Corps positions north and northwest of town. The brigades of Col. Edward A. O'Neal and Brig. Gen. Alfred Iverson suffered severe losses assaulting the I Corps division of Brig. Gen. John C. Robinson south of Oak Hill. Early's division profited from a blunder made by Brig. Gen. Francis C. Barlow, when he advanced his XI Corps division to Blocher's Knoll (directly north of town and now known as Barlow's Knoll); this represented a salient[31] in the corps line, susceptible to attack from multiple sides, and Early's troops overran his division, which constituted the right flank of the Union Army's position. Barlow was wounded and captured in the attack.[32]

As Federal positions collapsed both north and west of town, Gen. Howard ordered a retreat to the high ground south of town at Cemetery Hill, where he had left the division of Brig. Gen. Adolph von Steinwehr as a reserve.[33] Maj. Gen. Winfield S. Hancock assumed command of the battlefield, sent by Meade when he heard that Reynolds had been killed. Hancock, commander of the II Corps and his most trusted subordinate, was ordered to take command of the field and to determine whether Gettysburg was an appropriate place for a major battle.[34] Hancock told Howard, who was technically superior in rank, "I think this the strongest position by nature upon which to fight a battle that I ever saw." When Howard agreed, Hancock concluded the discussion: "Very well, sir, I select this as the battle-field." Hancock's determination had a morale-boosting effect on the retreating Union soldiers, but he played no direct tactical role on the first day.[35]

Gen. Lee understood the defensive potential to the Union if they held this high ground. He sent orders to Ewell that Cemetery Hill be taken "if practicable." Ewell chose not to attempt the assault; this decision is considered by historians to be a great missed opportunity.[36]

The first day at Gettysburg, more significant than simply a prelude to the bloody second and third days, ranks as the 23rd biggest battle of the war by number of troops engaged. About one quarter of Meade's army (22,000 men) and one third of Lee's army (27,000) were engaged.[37]

Second day of battle
Robert E. Lee's Plan for July 2, 1863
Further information: Second Day, Little Round Top, Culp's Hill, and Cemetery Hill

Plans and movement to battle

Throughout the evening of July 1 and morning of July 2, most of the remaining infantry of both armies arrived on the field, including the Union II, III, V, VI, and XII Corps. Longstreet's third division, commanded by George Pickett, had begun the march from Chambersburg early in the morning; it did not arrive until late on July 2.[38]

The Union line ran from Culp's Hill southeast of the town, northwest to Cemetery Hill just south of town, then south for nearly two miles (3 km) along Cemetery Ridge, terminating just north of Little Round Top. Most of the XII Corps was on Culp's Hill; the remnants of I and XI Corps defended Cemetery Hill; II Corps covered most of the northern half of Cemetery Ridge; and III Corps was ordered to take up a position to its flank. The shape of the Union line is popularly described as a "fishhook" formation. The Confederate line paralleled the Union line about a mile (1,600 m) to the west on Seminary Ridge, ran east through the town, then curved southeast to a point opposite Culp's Hill. Thus, the Federal army had interior lines, while the Confederate line was nearly five miles (8 km) in length.[39]

Lee's battle plan for July 2 called for Longstreet's First Corps to position itself stealthily to attack the Union left flank, facing northeast astraddle the Emmitsburg Road, and to roll up the Federal line. The attack sequence was to begin with Maj. Gens. John Bell Hood's and Lafayette McLaws's divisions, followed by Maj. Gen. Richard H. Anderson's division of Hill's Third Corps. The progressive en echelon sequence of this attack would prevent Meade from shifting troops from his center to bolster his left. At the same time, Maj. Gen. Edward "Allegheny" Johnson's and Jubal Early's Second Corps divisions were to make a "demonstration" against Culp's and Cemetery Hills (again, to prevent the shifting of Federal troops), and to turn the demonstration into a full-scale attack if a favorable opportunity presented itself.[40]

Lee's plan, however, was based on faulty intelligence, exacerbated by Stuart's continued absence from the battlefield. Instead of moving beyond the Federals' left and attacking their flank, Longstreet's left division, under McLaws, would face Maj. Gen. Daniel Sickles's III Corps directly in their path. Sickles was dissatisfied with the position assigned him on the southern end of Cemetery Ridge. Seeing higher ground more favorable to artillery positions a half mile (800 m) to the west, he advanced his corps—without orders—to the slightly higher ground along the Emmitsburg Road. The new line ran from Devil's Den, northwest to the Sherfy farm's Peach Orchard, then northeast along the Emmitsburg Road to south of the Codori farm. This created an untenable salient at the Peach Orchard; Brig. Gen. Andrew A. Humphreys's division (in position along the Emmitsburg Road) and Maj. Gen. David B. Birney's division (to the south) were subject to attacks from two sides and were spread out over a longer front than their small corps could defend effectively.[41]

Longstreet's attack was to be made as early as practicable; however, Longstreet got permission from Lee to await the arrival of one of his brigades, and while marching to the assigned position, his men came within sight of a Union signal station on Little Round Top. Countermarching to avoid detection wasted much time, and Hood's and McLaws's divisions did not launch their attacks until just after 4 p.m. and 5 p.m., respectively.[42]

Attacks on the Union left flank
Map of battle, July 2, 1863

As Longstreet's divisions slammed into the Union III Corps, Meade was forced to send 20,000 reinforcements[43] in the form of the entire V Corps, Brig. Gen. John C. Caldwell's division of the II Corps, most of the XII Corps, and small portions of the newly arrived VI Corps. The Confederate assault deviated from Lee's plan since Hood's division moved more easterly than intended, losing its alignment with the Emmitsburg Road,[44] attacking Devil's Den and Little Round Top. McLaws, coming in on Hood's left, drove multiple attacks into the thinly stretched III Corps in the Wheatfield and overwhelmed them in Sherfy's Peach Orchard. McLaws's attack eventually reached Plum Run Valley (the "Valley of Death") before being beaten back by the Pennsylvania Reserves division of the V Corps, moving down from Little Round Top. The III Corps was virtually destroyed as a combat unit in this battle, and Sickles's leg was amputated after it was shattered by a cannonball. Caldwell's division was destroyed piecemeal in the Wheatfield. Anderson's division assault on McLaws's left, starting around 6 p.m., reached the crest of Cemetery Ridge, but they could not hold the position in the face of counterattacks from the II Corps, including an almost suicidal counterattack by the 1st Minnesota against a Confederate brigade, ordered in desperation by Hancock.[45]

As fighting raged in the Wheatfield and Devil's Den, Col. Strong Vincent of V Corps had a precarious hold on Little Round Top, an important hill at the extreme left of the Union line. His brigade of four relatively small regiments was able to resist repeated assaults by Brig. Gen. Evander Law's brigade of Hood's division. Meade's chief engineer, Brig. Gen. Gouverneur K. Warren, had realized the importance of this position, and dispatched Vincent's brigade, an artillery battery, and the 140th New York to occupy Little Round Top mere minutes before Hood's troops arrived. The defense of Little Round Top with a bayonet charge by the 20th Maine was one of the most fabled episodes in the Civil War and propelled Col. Joshua L. Chamberlain into prominence after the war.[46]

Attacks on the Union right flank

About 7:00 p.m., the Second Corps' attack by Johnson's division on Culp's Hill got off to a late start. Most of the hill's defenders, the Union XII Corps, had been sent to the left to defend against Longstreet's attacks, and the only portion of the corps remaining on the hill was a brigade of New Yorkers under Brig. Gen. George S. Greene. Because of Greene's insistence on constructing strong defensive works, and with reinforcements from the I and XI Corps, Greene's men held off the Confederate attackers, although the Southerners did capture a portion of the abandoned Federal works on the lower part of Culp's Hill.[47]

Just at dark, two of Jubal Early's brigades attacked the Union XI Corps positions on East Cemetery Hill where Col. Andrew L. Harris of the 2nd Brigade, 1st Division, came under a withering attack, losing half his men; however, Early failed to support his brigades in their attack, and Ewell's remaining division, that of Maj. Gen. Robert E. Rodes, failed to aid Early's attack by moving against Cemetery Hill from the west. The Union army's interior lines enabled its commanders to shift troops quickly to critical areas, and with reinforcements from II Corps, the Federal troops retained possession of East Cemetery Hill, and Early's brigades were forced to withdraw.[48]

Jeb Stuart and his three cavalry brigades arrived in Gettysburg around noon but had no role in the second day's battle. Brig. Gen. Wade Hampton's brigade fought a minor engagement with George Armstrong Custer's Michigan cavalry near Hunterstown to the northeast of Gettysburg.[49]

Third day of battle
Further information: Culp's Hill, Pickett's Charge, and Third Day cavalry battles
Map of battle, July 3, 1863

General Lee wished to renew the attack on Friday, July 3, using the same basic plan as the previous day: Longstreet would attack the Federal left, while Ewell attacked Culp's Hill.[50] However, before Longstreet was ready, Union XII Corps troops started a dawn artillery bombardment against the Confederates on Culp's Hill in an effort to regain a portion of their lost works. The Confederates attacked, and the second fight for Culp's Hill ended around 11 a.m., after some seven hours of bitter combat.[51]

Lee was forced to change his plans. Longstreet would command Pickett's Virginia division of his own First Corps, plus six brigades from Hill's Corps, in an attack on the Federal II Corps position at the right center of the Union line on Cemetery Ridge. Prior to the attack, all the artillery the Confederacy could bring to bear on the Federal positions would bombard and weaken the enemy's line.[52]
The "High Water Mark" on Cemetery Ridge as it appears today. The monument to the 72nd Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry Regiment ("Baxter's Philadelphia Fire Zouaves") appears at right, the Copse of Trees to the left.

Around 1 p.m., from 150 to 170 Confederate guns[53] began an artillery bombardment that was probably the largest of the war. In order to save valuable ammunition for the infantry attack that they knew would follow, the Army of the Potomac's artillery at first did not return the enemy's fire. After waiting about 15 minutes, about 80 Federal cannons added to the din. The Army of Northern Virginia was critically low on artillery ammunition, and the cannonade did not significantly affect the Union position. Around 3 p.m., the cannon fire subsided, and 12,500 Southern soldiers stepped from the ridgeline and advanced the three-quarters of a mile (1,200 m) to Cemetery Ridge in what is known to history as "Pickett's Charge". As the Confederates approached, there was fierce flanking artillery fire from Union positions on Cemetery Hill and north of Little Round Top, and musket and canister fire from Hancock's II Corps. Nearly one half of the attackers did not return to their own lines. Although the Federal line wavered and broke temporarily at a jog called the "Angle" in a low stone fence, just north of a patch of vegetation called the Copse of Trees, reinforcements rushed into the breach, and the Confederate attack was repulsed. The farthest advance of Brig. Gen. Lewis A. Armistead's brigade of Maj. Gen. George Pickett's division at the Angle is referred to as the "High-water mark of the Confederacy", arguably representing the closest the South ever came to its goal of achieving independence from the Union via military victory.[54]

There were two significant cavalry engagements on July 3. Stuart was sent to guard the Confederate left flank and was to be prepared to exploit any success the infantry might achieve on Cemetery Hill by flanking the Federal right and hitting their trains and lines of communications. Three miles (5 km) east of Gettysburg, in what is now called "East Cavalry Field" (not shown on the accompanying map, but between the York and Hanover Roads), Stuart's forces collided with Federal cavalry: Brig. Gen. David McM. Gregg's division and George A. Custer's brigade. A lengthy mounted battle, including hand-to-hand sabre combat, ensued. Custer's charge, leading the 1st Michigan Cavalry, blunted the attack by Wade Hampton's brigade, blocking Stuart from achieving his objectives in the Federal rear. Meanwhile, after hearing news of the day's victory, Brig. Gen. Judson Kilpatrick launched a cavalry attack against the infantry positions of Longstreet's Corps southwest of Big Round Top. Brig. Gen. Elon J. Farnsworth protested against the futility of such a move but obeyed orders. Farnsworth was killed in the attack, and his brigade suffered significant losses.[55]

Aftermath

The Confederate retreat
Further information: Retreat from Gettysburg
Gettysburg Campaign (July 5 – July 14, 1863).

The armies stared at one another across the bloody fields on July 4, the same day that the Vicksburg garrison surrendered to Maj. Gen. Ulysses S. Grant. Lee reformed his lines into a defensive position, hoping that Meade would attack. The cautious Union commander, however, decided against the risk, a decision for which he would later be criticized. He did order a series of small probing actions, including sending the U.S. Regulars over a mile towards the right of the Confederate lines, but they withdrew under artillery fire and Meade decided not to press an attack. A series of sharp exchanges between the opposing skirmish lines merely added more names to the casualty lists. By mid-afternoon, the firing at Gettysburg had essentially stopped, and both armies began to collect their remaining wounded and bury some of the dead. A proposal by Lee for a prisoner exchange was rejected by Meade.[56]

On July 5, in a driving rain, the bulk of the Army of Northern Virginia left Gettysburg on the Hagerstown Road; the Battle of Gettysburg was over, and the Confederates headed back to Virginia. Meade's army followed, although the pursuit was half-spirited. The recently rain-swollen Potomac trapped Lee's army on the north bank of the river for a time, but when the Federals finally caught up, the Confederates had forded the river. The rear-guard action at Falling Waters on July 14 ended the Gettysburg Campaign and added some more names to the long casualty lists, including General Pettigrew, who was mortally wounded.[57]

In a brief letter to Maj. Gen. Henry W. Halleck written on July 7, Lincoln remarked on the two major Union victories at Gettysburg and Vicksburg. He continued:

Now, if Gen. Meade can complete his work so gloriously prosecuted thus far, by the literal or substantial destruction of Lee's army, the rebellion will be over.[58]

Halleck then relayed the contents of Lincoln's letter to Meade in a telegram. However, despite repeated pleas from Lincoln and Halleck, which continued over the next week, Meade did not pursue Lee's army aggressively enough to destroy it before it crossed back over the Potomac River to safety in the South.[59] Lincoln complained to Secretary of the Navy Gideon Welles that "Our army held the war in the hollow of their hand and they would not close it!"[60]

Reaction to the news of the Union victory

The news of the Union victory electrified the North. A headline in The Philadelphia Inquirer proclaimed "VICTORY! WATERLOO ECLIPSED!" New York diarist George Templeton Strong wrote:[61]

The results of this victory are priceless. ... The charm of Robert E. Lee's invincibility is broken. The Army of the Potomac has at last found a general that can handle it, and has stood nobly up to its terrible work in spite of its long disheartening list of hard-fought failures. ... Copperheads are palsied and dumb for the moment at least. ... Government is strengthened four-fold at home and abroad.

– George Templeton Strong, Diary, p. 330.

"The Harvest of Death": Union dead on the battlefield at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, photographed July 5 or July 6, 1863, by Timothy H. O'Sullivan.

Impact on the Confederacy

The Confederates had lost politically as well as militarily. During the final hours of the battle, Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens was approaching the Union lines at Norfolk, Virginia, under a flag of truce. Although his formal instructions from Confederate President Jefferson Davis had limited his powers to negotiations on prisoner exchanges and other procedural matters, historian James M. McPherson speculates that he had informal goals of presenting peace overtures. Davis had hoped that Stephens would reach Washington from the south while Lee's victorious army was marching toward it from the north. President Lincoln, upon hearing of the Gettysburg results, refused Stephens's request to pass through the lines. Furthermore, when the news reached London, any lingering hopes of European recognition of the Confederacy were finally abandoned. Henry Adams wrote, "The disasters of the rebels are unredeemed by even any hope of success. It is now conceded that all idea of intervention is at an end."[62]

Some economic historians have pointed to the fact that after the loss at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, the market for Confederate war bonds dropped precipitously. "European investors gave Johnny Reb about a 42 percent chance of winning the war in early 1863 prior to the battle of Gettysburg. ... However, news of the severity of costly Confederate defeats at Gettysburg/Vicksburg led to a sell-off in rebel bonds and the probability of a Southern victory fell to about 15 percent by the end of 1863."[63]

Casualties
Gettysburg National Cemetery

The two armies had suffered between 46,000 and 51,000 casualties. Union casualties were 23,055 (3,155 killed, 14,531 wounded, 5,369 captured or missing).[64] Confederate casualties are more difficult to estimate. Many authors cite about 28,000 overall casualties, but Busey and Martin's definitive 2005 work, Regimental Strengths and Losses, documents 23,231 (4,708 killed, 12,693 wounded, 5,830 captured or missing).[65] The casualties for both sides during the entire campaign were 57,225.[66] There was one documented civilian death during the battle: Ginnie Wade, 20 years old, was shot by a stray bullet that passed through her kitchen in town while she was making bread.[67]

Nearly 8,000 had been killed outright; these bodies, lying in the hot summer sun, needed to be buried quickly. Over 3,000 horse carcasses[68] were burned in a series of piles south of town; townsfolk became violently ill from the stench. The ravages of war would still be evident in Gettysburg more than four months later when, on November 19, the Soldiers' National Cemetery was dedicated. During this ceremony, President Abraham Lincoln with his Gettysburg Address re-dedicated the Union to the war effort.

Today, the Gettysburg National Cemetery and Gettysburg National Military Park are maintained by the U.S. National Park Service as two of the nation's most revered historical landmarks.

Historical assessment

Assessment of Lee's leadership style

Throughout the campaign, General Lee seemed to have entertained the belief that his men were invincible; most of Lee's experiences with the army had convinced him of this, including the great victory at Chancellorsville in early May and the rout of the Union troops at Gettysburg on July 1.[69] Although high morale plays an important role in military victory when other factors are equal, Lee could not refuse his army's desire to fight. To the detrimental effects of their collective blind faith was added the fact that the Army of Northern Virginia had many new and inexperienced commanders (Neither Hill nor Ewell, for instance, though capable division commanders, had commanded a corps before). It had recently lost Stonewall Jackson, one of its most competent offensive generals. Also, Lee's method of giving generalized orders and leaving it up to his lieutenants to work out the details contributed to his defeat. Although this method may have worked with Jackson, it proved inadequate when dealing with corps commanders unused to Lee's style of command. Lee faced dramatic differences in going from defender to invader—long supply lines, a hostile local population, and an imperative to force the enemy from its position. Lastly, after July 1, the Confederates were simply not able to coordinate their attacks. Lee faced a new and very dangerous opponent in George Meade, and the Army of the Potomac stood to the task and fought well on its home territory.[70]

References

* Busey, John W., and Martin, David G., Regimental Strengths and Losses at Gettysburg, 4th Ed., Longstreet House, 2005, ISBN 0-944413-67-6.
* Clark, Champ, and the Editors of Time-Life Books, Gettysburg: The Confederate High Tide, Time-Life Books, 1985, ISBN 0-8094-4758-4.
* Coddington, Edwin B., The Gettysburg Campaign; a study in command, Scribner's, 1968, ISBN 0-684-84569-5.
* Eicher, David J., The Longest Night: A Military History of the Civil War, Simon & Schuster, 2001, ISBN 0-684-84944-5.
* Esposito, Vincent J., West Point Atlas of American Wars, Frederick A. Praeger, 1959.
* Foote, Shelby, The Civil War, A Narrative: Fredericksburg to Meridian, Random House, 1958, ISBN 0-394-49517-9.
* Harman, Troy D., Lee's Real Plan at Gettysburg, Stackpole Books, 2003, ISBN 0-8117-0054-2.
* Longacre, Edward G., The Cavalry at Gettysburg, University of Nebraska Press, 1986, ISBN 0-8032-7941-8.
* Martin, David G., Gettysburg July 1, rev. ed., Combined Publishing, 1996, ISBN 0-938289-81-0.
* McPherson, James M., Battle Cry of Freedom: The Civil War Era (Oxford History of the United States), Oxford University Press, 1988, ISBN 0-19-503863-0.
* Nye, Wilbur S., Here Come the Rebels!, Louisiana State University Press, 1965 (reprinted by Morningside House, 1984), ISBN 0-89029-080-6.
* Pfanz, Harry W., Gettysburg – The First Day, University of North Carolina Press, 2001, ISBN 0-8078-2624-3.
* Pfanz, Harry W., Gettysburg – The Second Day, University of North Carolina Press, 1987, ISBN 0-8078-1749-X.
* Pfanz, Harry W., Gettysburg: Culp's Hill and Cemetery Hill, University of North Carolina Press, 1993, ISBN 0-8078-2118-7.
* Rawley, James A., Turning Points of the Civil War, University of Nebraska Press, 1966, ISBN 0-8032-8935-9.
* Sauers, Richard A., "Battle of Gettysburg", Encyclopedia of the American Civil War: A Political, Social, and Military History, Heidler, David S., and Heidler, Jeanne T., eds., W. W. Norton & Company, 2000, ISBN 0-393-04758-X.
* Sears, Stephen W., Gettysburg, Houghton Mifflin, 2003, ISBN 0-395-86761-4.
* Symonds, Craig L., American Heritage History of the Battle of Gettysburg, HarperCollins, 2001, ISBN 0-06-019474-X.
* Tagg, Larry, The Generals of Gettysburg, Savas Publishing, 1998, ISBN 1-882810-30-9.
* Trudeau, Noah Andre, Gettysburg: A Testing of Courage, HarperCollins, 2002, ISBN 0-06-019363-8.
* Tucker, Glenn, High Tide at Gettysburg, Bobbs-Merrill Co., 1958 (reprinted by Morningside House, 1983), ISBN 0-89029-715-4.
* Wert, Jeffry D., Gettysburg: Day Three, Simon & Schuster, 2001, ISBN 0-684-85914-9.

Notes

1. ^ Coddington, p. 573.
2. ^ a b c Busey and Martin, p. 125. "Engaged strength" at the battle was 93,921.
3. ^ a b c Busey and Martin, p. 260. "Engaged strength" at the battle was 71,699. McPherson, p. 648, lists the strength at the start of the campaign as 75,000.
4. ^ The Battle of Antietam, the culmination of Lee's first invasion of the North, had the largest number of casualties in a single day, about 23,000.
5. ^ Rawley, p. 147. Sauers, p. 827. McPherson, p. 665; McPherson cites the combination of Gettysburg and Vicksburg as the turning point.
6. ^ Coddington, pp. 8-9. Eicher, p. 490.
7. ^ Eicher, p. 491.
8. ^ Symonds, p. 36.
9. ^ Trudeau, pp. 45, 66.
10. ^ Lee's orders from Chambersburg, June 27, 1863
11. ^ Symonds, pp. 49-54.
12. ^ Nye, pp. 272-78.
13. ^ Symonds, pp. 41-43. Sears, pp. 103-06. Esposito, text for Map 94 (Map 34b in the online version). Eicher, pp. 504-07. McPherson, p. 649.
14. ^ Sears, p. 123. Trudeau, p. 128.
15. ^ Coddington, pp. 181, 189.
16. ^ Letter of Henry Heth to William Jones, Secretary of the Southern Historical Society, June 1877
17. ^ Eicher, pp. 508-09, discounts Heth's claim because the previous visit by Early to Gettysburg would have made the lack of shoe factories or stores obvious. However, many mainstream historians accept Heth's account: Sears, p. 136; Foote, p. 465; Clark, p. 35; Tucker, pp. 97-98.
18. ^ Eicher, p. 508. Tucker, pp. 99-102.
19. ^ Sears, p. 155.
20. ^ Battle of Gettysburg: "Who Really Fired the First Shot?"
21. ^ Marcellus Jones Monument at Gettysburg
22. ^ Martin, pp. 80-81. The troopers carried single-shot, breechloading carbines manufactured by Sharps, Burnside, and others. It is a modern myth that they were armed with multi-shot repeating carbines. Nevertheless, they were able to fire two or three times faster than a muzzle-loaded carbine or rifle.
23. ^ Symonds, p. 71. Coddington, p. 266. Eicher, pp. 510-11.
24. ^ Tucker, pp. 112-17.
25. ^ Coddington, p. 269. Other sources, such as Sears, p. 170, quote Reynolds's orderly, Charles Veil, that a "Minnie [sic] ball struck him in the back of the neck."
26. ^ Tucker, p. 184. Symonds, p. 74. Pfanz, First Day, pp. 269-75.
27. ^ Busey and Martin, pp. 298, 501.
28. ^ Pfanz, First Day, pp. 275-93.
29. ^ Clark, p. 53.
30. ^ Pfanz, First Day, p. 158.
31. ^ Pfanz, First Day, p. 230.
32. ^ Pfanz, First Day, p. 156-238.
33. ^ Pfanz, First Day, p. 294.
34. ^ Pfanz, First Day, pp. 337-38. Sears, pp. 223-25.
35. ^ Martin, pp. 482-88.
36. ^ Pfanz, First Day, p. 344. Eicher, p. 517. Sears, p. 228. Trudeau, p. 253. Both Sears and Trudeau record "if possible."
37. ^ Martin, p. 9, citing Thomas L. Livermore's Numbers & Losses in the Civil War in America (Houghton Mifflin, 1900).
38. ^ Coddington, p. 333. Tucker, p. 327.
39. ^ Clark, p. 74. Eicher, p 521.
40. ^ Sears, p. 255. Clark, p. 69.
41. ^ Pfanz, Second Day, pp. 93-97. Eicher, pp. 523-24.
42. ^ Pfanz, Second Day, pp. 119-23.
43. ^ Harman, p. 59.
44. ^ Harman, p. 57.
45. ^ Sears, pp. 833-35. Eicher, pp. 530-35. Coddington, p. 423.
46. ^ Eicher, pp. 527-30. Clark, pp. 81-85.
47. ^ Eicher, pp. 537-38. Sauers, p. 835. Pfanz, Culp's Hill, pp. 205-34. Clark, pp. 115-16.
48. ^ Pfanz, Culp's Hill, pp. 235-83. Clark, pp. 116-18. Eicher, pp. 538-39.
49. ^ Sears, p. 257. Longacre, pp. 198-99.
50. ^ Harman, p. 63.
51. ^ Pfanz, Culp's Hill, pp. 284-352. Eicher, pp. 540-41. Coddington, pp. 465-75.
52. ^ Eicher, p. 542. Coddington, pp. 485-86.
53. ^ See discussion of varying gun estimates in Pickett's Charge article footnote.
54. ^ McPherson, pp. 661-63. Clark, pp. 133-44. Symonds, pp. 214-41. Eicher, pp. 543-49.
55. ^ Eicher, pp. 549-50. Longacre, pp. 226-31, 240-44. Sauers, p. 836. Wert, pp. 272-80.
56. ^ Eicher, p. 550. Coddington, pp. 539-44. Clark, pp. 146-47. Wert, p. 300.
57. ^ Clark, pp. 147-57. Longacre, pp. 268-69.
58. ^ Coddington, p. 564.
59. ^ Coddington, pp. 535-74.
60. ^ George Meade (1815-1872) - Abraham Lincoln's White House
61. ^ McPherson, p. 664.
62. ^ McPherson, pp. 650, 664.
63. ^ Oosterlinck and Weidenmier, Did Johnny Reb have a Fighting Chance? A Probabilistic Assessment from European Financial Markets, Lund University School of Economics and Management.
64. ^ Busey and Martin, p. 125.
65. ^ Busey and Martin, p. 260.
66. ^ Sears, p. 513.
67. ^ Sears, p. 391.
68. ^ Sears, p. 511.
69. ^ Trudeau, p. 530.
70. ^ Tucker, pp. 389-94.

Further reading

* Fremantle, Arthur J. L., The Fremantle Diary: A Journal of the Confederacy (Walter Lord, ed.), Burford Books, 1954, (reprinted 2002), ISBN 1-58080-085-8.
* Gottfried, Bradley M., The Maps of Gettysburg: An Atlas of the Gettysburg Campaign, June 3 – June 13, 1863, Savas Beatie, 2007, ISBN 978-1-932714-30-2.
* Haskell, Frank Aretas, The Battle of Gettysburg, Kessinger Publishing, 2006, ISBN 978-1-4286-6012-0.
* Huntington, Tom, Pennsylvania Civil War Trails: The Guide to Battle Sites, Monuments, Museums and Towns, Stackpole books, 2007, ISBN 978-0-8117-3379-3.
* Paris, Louis-Philippe-Albert d'Orléans, The Battle of Gettysburg: A History of the Civil War in America, 1886, (online version by Digital Scanning, Inc., 1999), ISBN 1-58218-066-0.
* Shaara, Michael, The Killer Angels: A Novel, David McKay Co., 1974, (reprinted by Ballantine Books, 2001), ISBN 978-0345444127.
* Stackpole, Gen. Edward J., "They Met at Gettysburg", Stackpole Books, 1956, ISBN 0-8117-2089-6.

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* Gettysburg National Military Park (National Park Service)
* Choices and Commitments: The Soldiers at Gettysburg, a National Park Service Teaching with Historic Places (TwHP) lesson plan
* Gettysburg Visitor Information
* Gettysburg Photographs
* Interactive Battle Of Gettysburg with Narratives
* Animated history of the Battle of Gettysburg
* Military History Online: The Battle of Gettysburg
* Explanation of Buford's Defense at Gettysburg
* The Brothers War: The Battle of Gettysburg
* Gettysburg Discussion Group archives
* List of 53 Confederate generals at Gettysburg
* List of 67 US generals at Gettysburg
* Camp Letterman General Hospital
* Civil War Era Digital Collection at Gettysburg College Collection contains digitized paintings, photographs, and pamphlets of the Battle of Gettysburg
* New York at Gettysburg (Final Report on the Battlefield of Gettysburg) A three-volume account of the positions and movements of troops from New York State on the battlefield of Gettysburg, prepared for the New York Monuments Commission in 1900. Digitized by the New York State Library.


Task accomplished! :jumping:



You've made it clear you think I am guilty for inviting votes on myself,

I give up :shrug:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Question to the host.

If theres two God Fathers, what happens if mafia from the other family attacks the God Father?

:inquisitive: This is basically a confession that you're mafia. What townie needs to know this information? Sasaki, the sarcasm isn't necessary. You didn't notice this? I think my FoS on you is justified now.

I'd like Beefy to answer my question.

[Reenk Roink]

Beefy again on the lynch train early. Polemists who is a new player I think right there with him. Pizzaguy who is always a convenient scapegoat. Real classy Inishmorians... :no:

Oh what a great choice of people I have to kill tonight. Leaning towards White eyes. :wink:

[Greyblades]

Vote Beefy. If he wants to die, who am I to argue?

...Well I think I'm as good as dead now...meh.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If God Father gets attacked by the opposing mafia, then does he gets killed or not? If the write up shows that "Player X survived the attack" it shows that either medic got to him or that his the God Father if the GF has the ability to survive the attack.

This way we can easily figure out who the God Father is thus why I asked that question.

Fair enough. Thank you.

:bow:

That's all I wanted folks. That was a blip on the radar, but I still say Beefy is a bad lynch choice.

[Beefy187]

:inquisitive: This is basically a confession that you're mafia. What townie needs to know this information? Sasaki, the sarcasm isn't necessary. You didn't notice this? I think my FoS on you is justified now.

I'd like Beefy to answer my question.

So if the write up shows that players gets attacked but survive the chance are that his the God Father or that the doctar got to him, so we can lynch that player.

If I'm the God Father or a grunt I would already know this. But hey its yet another WIFOM.

[pevergreen]

So if the write up shows that players gets attacked but survive the chance are that his the God Father or that the doctar got to him, so we can lynch that player.

If I'm the God Father or a grunt I would already know this. But hey its yet another WIFOM.

No you wouldn't. The mafia themselves dont know.

Secrets within secrets.

(as for that though, the GF will die.)

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: taka

Only 2 of your 9 posts have occurred since actual play began. One informing us you read the opening post and the other saying there's been a lot of blather going on. The last one IS a fair comment, but this is shaping up into another lurk -- and I will not have it.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: taka

Only 2 of your 9 posts have occurred since actual play began. One informing us you read the opening post and the other saying there's been a lot of blather going on. The last one IS a fair comment, but this is shaping up into another lurk -- and I will not have it.

So is this vote based off the fact that you think he's potentially mafia, or just because you want his style in general to change?

[taka]

hey..... stop picking on me, nearly everyone (that played chicago and God father) knows that i find it more comfortable to play when there's less people. there's usually too much reading in the first 1/2 of the game. i try to keep up, and post when i can

i'm also trying to organise and host my first game... which is taking a lot of my time. fancy joining? :beam:

[Polemists]

I hear I am tied with beefy to be lynched, I would rather not be lynched. So

Vote: Beefy

[A Very Super Market]

Any defense? Both Beefy and ATPG have sorta lifted the guilt, but this raises more suspicion than anything.

Vote: Ptolemists at least until he gives us more reason to not lynch him

[Yoyoma1910]

Any defense? Both Beefy and ATPG have sorta lifted the guilt, but this raises more suspicion than anything.

Vote: Ptolemists to get him to spill out some info.


Unvote, vote:A Very Super Market


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