The fight for Inishmore [Concluded]

[LittleGrizzly]

Now TBH im slightly suspicious of your defense of 'khaan, from Andres we now godfathers can survive one night attack (is there any way to confirm this through non scummy sources ?) we have nothing that leads us to believe there are any other roles that could survive a night attack...

Though thinking on this the way Andres conveniently told us this information yesterday whilst trying to get me lynched... it could be a mafia setup...

Ok this post seems a bit convuluted but im thinking as i type... perhaps it would be best to keep 'khaan alive, if he really is another godfather then perhaps the mafia will just take him out tonight instead, no need for the town to waste a lynch killing him, we should concentrate on sasaki today and if 'khaan survives the night we could possibly revisit the case...

I would be much happier having the mafia waste a kill on him whilst we can lynch the other mafia...

Edit: thats a pretty damn good case on boudica.... though i would say one or two of your points are to do with player lazyness, and players are usually lazy when they haven't got anything to protect... apart from those points its a fairly good case

IF we can lynch sasaki today... and depending on the 'khaan situation i may go for your boudica case tomorrow...

BTW does anyone else find it dodgy that Sasaki seem's fairly sure 'khaan is the english godfather but decides to go after me anyway ??

Strange behaviour for someone who supposedly isn't scum...

[Andres]

Now TBH im slightly suspicious of your defense of 'khaan, from Andres we now godfathers can survive one night attack (is there any way to confirm this through non scummy sources ?) we have nothing that leads us to believe there are any other roles that could survive a night attack...

Though thinking on this the way Andres conveniently told us this information yesterday whilst trying to get me lynched... it could be a mafia setup...

Oh come on now, Don LittleGrizzly, like me, you know pretty damn well that Godfathers don't survive night attacks. That was just me spouting nonsense. I do admire your effort at getting a powerful pro-town role lynched, though. Keep insisting on lynching 'khaan :2thumbsup:

I'll even help you and do the same : lynch 'khaan ! He's scum!


Ok this post seems a bit convuluted but im thinking as i type... perhaps it would be best to keep 'khaan alive, if he really is another godfather then perhaps the mafia will just take him out tonight instead, no need for the town to waste a lynch killing him, we should concentrate on sasaki today and if 'khaan survives the night we could possibly revisit the case...

I would be much happier having the mafia waste a kill on him whilst we can lynch the other mafia...

Out of respect for our friends of the English mafia, we will not kill you, Don Grizzly :bow: The peasants of Inishmore with their torches and pitchforks may do that, but your life won't be ended by a fine, Irish bullet.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now TBH im slightly suspicious of your defense of 'khaan, from Andres we now godfathers can survive one night attack

I have no qualms in eliminating Khaan. He may have a neutral role or be a Godfather. We still don't know the name of the English Godfather, because it's not in the play.

I believe however, the neutral role is more likely. Seireikhaan can defend himself, I wash my hands of his role, whatever it may be. He is lurking and not contributing. However, I also see that these two, boudica and Sasaki, are clearly working together, and they both clearly want Khaan dead. Town wants to survive, it gets rid of those two. Since boudica is not Oswald, even though she likely wrote the kill.

To be fair, Sasaki may have written it. He's been intentionally making spelling mistakes ever since this game started, and acting like he needs a new keyboard lately. I don't buy it... ACTING.


I want to hear the defense from both boudica and Sasaki before I vote for them. One of them has gotta go... and since boudica isn't oswald... guess who I think she is.

[LittleGrizzly]

Oh come on now, Don LittleGrizzly, like me, you know pretty damn well that Godfathers don't survive night attacks. That was just me spouting nonsense. I do admire your effort at getting a powerful pro-town role lynched, though. Keep insisting on lynching 'khaan :2thumbsup:

I'll even help you and do the same : lynch 'khaan ! He's scum!

This is why i try to ignore mafia... you get me guessing and second guessing myself... wait you agree to the 'khaan lynch.. he must be innocent... hang on is he trying to use reverse physcology on me.... 'khaan must be guilty... wait is this reverse reverse phscology... at this point i get dizzy and need to lie down...

Out of respect for our friends of the English mafia, we will not kill you, Don Grizzly

Wow, the IRA and English are friends... its sweet really for bitter enemies who kill each other...

I appreciate that the English mafia will not kill me, would the irish mafia also like to promise not to kill me ?

Face it Andres your lies are obvious... the mafia will kill the opposition godfather if they find him... which is why we will see 'khaan killed tonight if he is the godfather... im sure the mafia will be rattled by his survival...

Edit: Piza what you think of my idea of leaving him alive so the mafia must waste a kill on him tonight, surely if he is a godfather they will want to eliminate him... so why waste our lynch ? make the mafia kill him!

and his actions haven't been like a godfather... i certainly wouldn't lurk my way through the game so obviously...

and what about his one line votes on sasaki without reasoning ? maybe he had a reason ?

[boudica]

In response to Askthepizzaguy - yes, all the statements you have made are reasonable arguments as to why I might be mafia. If you read through them and assume for a second that I am innocent then - surprise surprise - the answers I have given when questioned also make sense. You may indeed feel that because I have stated I am letting myself down with my performance this game, I am doing it as a duplicitous tactic, but the truth of the matter is that - up til Psychomafia ended - I really haven't been paying enough attention.

I do need to read back, because I can't decide who is lying out of LG and Sasaki and I don't want to make the wrong decision. As far as I am concerned - until 'Khaan posts something with regard to his being revealed in the write-up - the vote for him is perfectly reasonable - it is the first piece of evidence I can respond to since I have begun to pay proper attention.

You notice that just after I voted him, I pegged him as a neutral role. A neutral role - not a pro-town role - and any neutral role who can slap a mafia down in a pub and get away with it can only spell danger to town.

All your 'evidence' is still an eloquent display of gut instinct on your part - not fact.

[Askthepizzaguy]

In response to Askthepizzaguy - yes, all the statements you have made are reasonable arguments as to why I might be mafia. If you read through them and assume for a second that I am innocent then - surprise surprise - the answers I have given when questioned also make sense. You may indeed feel that because I have stated I am letting myself down with my performance this game, I am doing it as a duplicitous tactic, but the truth of the matter is that - up til Psychomafia ended - I really haven't been paying enough attention.

I do need to read back, because I can't decide who is lying out of LG and Sasaki and I don't want to make the wrong decision. As far as I am concerned - until 'Khaan posts something with regard to his being revealed in the write-up - the vote for him is perfectly reasonable - it is the first piece of evidence I can respond to since I have begun to pay proper attention.

You notice that just after I voted him, I pegged him as a neutral role. A neutral role - not a pro-town role - and any neutral role who can slap a mafia down in a pub and get away with it can only spell danger to town.

All your 'evidence' is still an eloquent display of gut instinct on your part - not fact.

1. My arguments are reasonable that you could be mafia.
2. You are acting like you're not paying attention.
3. If you're not paying attention, don't be so quick to jump on Seireikhaan. You obviously think you know what you're doing... something that someone who is "lost" would never think.
4. You know he's a neutral role because you probably know who the other roles are. :mellow:
5. What was the basis of your first vote on me? Oh yeah. Gut instinct.

Why did you show up right after the murders? Why did you drop your case on Sasaki?

My "evidence" is your own words, verbatim. My comments are not the evidence. Your words are.

[White_eyes:D]

OK...I am sure people have a ton of thoughts...but I will post mine..

English Godfather:Sasaki or ATPG...one is a grunt:smoking:
ATPG would vote Sasaki in a instant, if he felt manipulated in any way....but he has not....not even as a pressure vote....:inquisitive: and Sasaki has been looking for easy lynches since round one...:whip:

I don't buy why Reenk was killed to be a framing of ATPG.....so far, the killing has been made to leave many lynch targets, like LG and I don't think ATPG thought Khaan was the Irish Godfather (big mistake)

I think Andres is trying to frame LG....he was probably one of the Irish Mafia but wants to finish the townies first...:juggle2:(hard to say at this point...not much is known on who was which faction....:shrug:)

Irish Godfather: Khaan because he resisted a kill.....but didn't kill the attacker, like with Andres failed killing of ATPG(likely, but not sure). Only Godfathers can resist kill attempts....only 8 roles...and the two supposedly "Pro-town" ones are dead....I think Andres is just trying to get a townie lynched...:whip:

One thing I know for sure is Sasaki has played town since the start....let me put out some quotes to prove he was manipulating town....:smash:


Pizza, you constantly try and back out of these self-lynch situations. If you were ever mafia you would be forced to propose such a thing or we would all notice that you hadn't. So you would do it as mafia. You're just going to keep getting lynched on principle until you realize that. Especially since if we don't lynch you now, the first time we get a mafioso on the ropes they'll have an instant scapegoat to save themselves with. Yet, when it came time to lynch me.....:whip:
I sent a PM to White Eyes. I told him I thought he was innocent, and to please unvote himself and vote for someone else. He replied it wouldn't matter because "no matter what he does, he's a godfather". I replied I didn't care what people thought, I was willing to toss him a bone, and that if he would just vote for someone, say FactionHeir, maybe we could continue. He read the second message and left. If he and I were mafia together, this would be quite an obvious move, reporting this to you. If you lynch White_eyes and he's guilty, I made a bad call and you can lynch me.Then Sasaki "Convinced him" I was a good choice with this...
FH acts like he has this game all the time though. Now tell me this, if white_eyes was a townie, why would he be worried about being the detective's proxy in the thread? Now tell me, if white_eyes was a godfather, why would he be worried about being the detective's proxy in the thread? Then use Occam's razor.but then why ignore the fact that ATPG just used that Occam's razor to try and keep me alive???:no: it makes no sense.....unless ATPG and Sasaki wanting to lynch me or FH...but got both:shame:

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG would vote Sasaki in a instant, if he felt manipulated in any way....but he has not....not even as a pressure vote.... and Sasaki has been looking for easy lynches since round one...

I accused Sasaki of being Oswald, and boudica of being his Godfather partner. I would obviously be more interested in boudica, because Boudica CANNOT be Oswald due to the investigation.

You can lynch me at any time. But you should have done that a LONG time ago. Now it's time to give me one moment to state my case against boudica, and please pay attention to why I am not going after Sasaki yet.

Boudica needs to be properly questioned. If she satisfies my suspicions, Sasaki is next.





By the way, thanks for the compliment. If I'm a Godfather, as LittleGrizzly said, I have not big brass balls, but balls made of diamonds. I appreciate the compliment but it's entirely untrue. You kick me in the balls, they will shatter.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yet, when it came time to lynch me.....:whip:Then Sasaki "Convinced him" I was a good choice with this...but then why ignore the fact that ATPG just used that Occam's razor to try and keep me alive???:no: it makes no sense.....unless ATPG and Sasaki wanting to lynch me or FH...but got both:shame:

I reversed my vote. You killed YOURSELF. I even prodded Diana to check the thread. Didn't tell her how to vote, just to check the thread. Your suicidal behavior convinced us both. You're the one who pulled the trigger, not I.

[White_eyes:D]

I accused Sasaki of being Oswald, and boudica of being his Godfather partner. I would obviously be more interested in boudica, because Boudica CANNOT be Oswald due to the investigation.

You can lynch me at any time. But you should have done that a LONG time ago. Now it's time to give me one moment to state my case against boudica, and please pay attention to why I am not going after Sasaki yet.

Boudica needs to be properly questioned. If she satisfies my suspicions, Sasaki is next.

By the way, thanks for the compliment. If I'm a Godfather, as LittleGrizzly said, I have not big brass balls, but balls made of diamonds. I appreciate the compliment but it's entirely untrue. You kick me in the balls, they will shatter.
1.Oswald killed Andres....even though he tried to kill him.:smash: (Meaning, the English Godfather has been doing the kills:yes:)
2.You will never pin Sasaki.....and for all your "talk" about him manipulating you....your not eager to see him lynched....:inquisitive:

[Andres]

I note with pleasure that you do no longer consider both godfathers, LittleGrizzly and 'khaan, as suspects.

Indeed, dear townies, it is time to lynch those men who have led you into the wrong direction during the entire game, Sasaki, boudica and Askthepizzaguy. This charade has been going on for long enough now. How about you put those three in a tie and get rid of them now!

You have been worthy adversaries and deserve our respect :bow:

[White_eyes:D]

I note with pleasure that you do no longer consider both godfathers, LittleGrizzly and 'khaan, as suspects.

Indeed, dear townies, it is time to lynch those men who have led you into the wrong direction during the entire game, Sasaki, boudica and Askthepizzaguy. This charade has been going on for long enough now. How about you put those three in a tie and get rid of them now!

You have been worthy adversaries and deserve our respect :bow:

:laugh4: I hate to say it....but I agree with Andres on this one...:laugh4::laugh4:

[boudica]

I accused Sasaki of being Oswald, and boudica of being his Godfather partner. I would obviously be more interested in boudica, because Boudica CANNOT be Oswald due to the investigation.

You can lynch me at any time. But you should have done that a LONG time ago. Now it's time to give me one moment to state my case against boudica, and please pay attention to why I am not going after Sasaki yet.

Boudica needs to be properly questioned. If she satisfies my suspicions, Sasaki is next.





By the way, thanks for the compliment. If I'm a Godfather, as LittleGrizzly said, I have not big brass balls, but balls made of diamonds. I appreciate the compliment but it's entirely untrue. You kick me in the balls, they will shatter.

Please go ahead and properly question me. If you want proper answers then you'll probably have to wait until I can make some informed responses and that means doing some serious catching up.

Given that I am innocent of your accusations, (well - I know I am) my first research will involve trying to find out why you think I am guilty - first by looking at your posts with the point of view of you being town and secondly by looking at your posts with the notion that you are not.

As far as your balls are concerned, a bluff is a bluff is a bluff and - in poker at least - often only the big bluffs work.

[Andres]

1.Oswald killed Andres....even though he tried to kill him.:smash: (Meaning, the English Godfather has been doing the kills:yes:)

Ah, Oswald is a Godfather. Who would have thought...

And sir, you are wrong in your assertion as if I tried to kill one of the esteemed inhabitants of this lovely village. My hands are clean in this game. There's not a drip of blood on them.

I am insulted :snobby:



2.You will never pin Sasaki.....and for all your "talk" about him manipulating you....your not eager to see him lynched....:inquisitive:

Nonono, Mister White_Eyes:D, you haven't been paying attention to the most sound and solid case ever made against the honorable Sasaki by the grand inquisitor Pizzaguy, namely:

Sasaki is guilty because...

HE MADE SPELLING MISTAKES AND NEEDS A NEW KEYBOARD !!!

Lynch him!

[Askthepizzaguy]

@White_Eyes


Your not framing me Vote:White_eyes:D:furious3:

Right before the lynch.


*sighs*.....I am getting tired of this....but nothing I can do about it...Unvote:White_eyes:D Vote:FactionHeir:wall:

Right after time expired.

I was nowhere to be found, and NO ONE could have predicted your actions. No one could fathom your actions. I do not have the power to see into the future and know that you'd kill two townies by yourself as a townie.


@Boudica:

You've been bluffing with the best of them this game. "Go ahead and lynch me" next post "Please don't lynch me" later "Can I commit suicide?" I'm such a bad townie for not paying attention, etc, etc.

:laugh2:

Doesn't take any research at all to know why I'd accuse you. You've been accusing yourself.

[White_eyes:D]

How could I predict our host would use the forbidden rule in most Mafia games...."It's a tie....everyone dies:evil:MHAHAHAHA":shrug:

Edit:that's close to allowing Sceenshots....:brood:

[Andres]

I can't believe you guys are not lynching Sasaki. With the amount of spelling mistakes he made and his old, rotten, with bacteria infested keyboard.

Townie, mafia or neutral, he should get lynched because of that. This goes beyond this one game. Before you know it, you catch up a disease because of his keyboard or you starts makeing silli speling mistaekes.

:no:

[Askthepizzaguy]

How could I predict our host would use the forbidden rule in most Mafia games...."It's a tie....everyone dies:evil:MHAHAHAHA":shrug:

THAT one I don't blame you for. Not one bit. In the future, lesson learned... don't cap yourself in a double lynch situation. Town will thank you for it.


@Boudica:

Your performance this game is, in my opinion, indefensible. You did everything you could to avoid suspicion, and now it has backfired.

[White_eyes:D]

THAT one I don't blame you for. Not one bit. In the future, lesson learned... don't cap yourself in a double lynch situation. Town will thank you for it.


@Boudica:

Your performance this game is, in my opinion, indefensible. You did everything you could to avoid suspicion, and now it has backfired.

I will just nag hosts to NEVER use it in the future.....it only makes the game faster...and gives one side a unfair advantage over another...:brood:

Why boudica??? I see nothing solid.....it feels like a Reenk case all over again...:juggle2:

Edit:but then again your no match for Sasaki....speaking of which.....when Khaan tried to vote Sasaki all those times....you didn't follow....:inquisitive: more proof you guys are working together....:yes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Please go ahead and properly question me. If you want proper answers then you'll probably have to wait until I can make some informed responses and that means doing some serious catching up.

If you need to seriously catch up, then why, oh why, do you seem to know the correct path forward so well?


Given that I am innocent of your accusations, (well - I know I am) my first research will involve trying to find out why you think I am guilty - first by looking at your posts with the point of view of you being town and secondly by looking at your posts with the notion that you are not.

I cannot wait to hear this! :mellow:


As far as your balls are concerned, a bluff is a bluff is a bluff and - in poker at least - often only the big bluffs work.

You are not as innocent as you've been acting. You know all about big bluffs. If you were mafia, given how often you've been mafia, and how people have been suspecting you lately, you'd have to bluff pretty big to survive.



@White_Eyes.

1. She said "lynch me"
2. Shortly after: "don't lynch me"
3. Acts like she's lost. She never does this as townie.
4. She offered to suicide when she was a serious suspect.
5. She claims to not have gotten caught up yet, but knows that Seireikhaan must be guilty or a neutral role. How would she know that if she weren't paying attention?
6. She was here, right after the writeup, not her usual time.
7. She voted for Sasaki without giving reasons. And hasn't gone after him since.
8. Her votes, other than on sasaki, have all been on innocent people, mostly dead ones.
9. She's been putting herself down. Not her style.
10. She could write the Oswald kill, I believe, but by investigation, she's not Oswald.
11. Sasaki isn't going after her.
12. Boudica is not Oswald, therefore she could be a Godfather
13. Oswald is NOT the Godfather, you're not paying attention; he's been doing the English kills since round one. The Godfathers cannot murder.
14. I laid out a huge case, please read it.

[White_eyes:D]

Sasaki laid out his case....in such a way I would really read it.....but your case on boudica seems a little weak.....:inquisitive: I get the impression she is a townie who is confused, sort of like I was in "Chicago Soiree":shrug:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Edit:but then again your no match for Sasaki....speaking of which.....when Khaan tried to vote Sasaki all those times....you didn't follow....:inquisitive: more proof you guys are working together....:yes:

Not proof. Evidence. Circumstantial evidence, which is not conclusive at all.

Did you hear me when I said I thought boudica was the Godfather, and that Sasaki could be Oswald, which means he's less of a priority than the Godfather?

1. You claim Sasaki and I are mafia together.
2. I claim Sasaki is Oswald and accuse him.
3. I would therefore be the Godfather, which I am not, because even I would not be this risky with my life as a Godfather. I even joke "revealed" as the Godfather twice, and invited votes on me, and asked them to be stripped off of boudica. That would make me a henchman.
4. Sasaki would then be the Godfather. But, he's one of the few remaining suspects to be Oswald.
5. Lynch the Godfather.

I accused Boudica of being English mafia's leader. Seireikhaan is also a candidate for that. I am taking the time to respond to your accusation, because with a little deduction, you can see it's false.

I welcome your questions. But you have arrived at a conclusion without looking at all the possibilities. For one moment, set aside your conclusion and think; is there another one? Consider all possibilities objectively. I would not mind Sasaki dead one bit, but I am holding off on my vote because I accused boudica, and want to hear from Seireikhaan. I won't bend to your pressure to vote for Sasaki because I think he's a henchman.

And if town thinks he's a Godfather, they can lynch him all they please, with my blessing and vote, too.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: LittleGrizzly

Sorry Grizz, guilty by association. I believe Andres's assertions that you're the English Godfather is meant to throw us off track. I'll bet you anything that you're the Irish Godfather. Why else did pevergreen, who has gotten agitated about people breaking the "dead rules" previously in the game, leave that "incriminating PM" in?

Because it's a fake. Andres is trying to psych us all out.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Andres is trying to psych us all out.

Precisely. And look how you've reacted. Why on earth did you even read his posts?

Remember the Prometheus game. Andres is pulling a ME. Ignore him.

[Andres]

Vote: LittleGrizzly

Sorry Grizz, guilty by association. I believe Andres's assertions that you're the English Godfather is meant to throw us off track. I'll bet you anything that you're the Irish Godfather. Why else did pevergreen, who has gotten agitated about people breaking the "dead rules" previously in the game, leave that "incriminating PM" in?

Because it's a fake. Andres is trying to psych us all out.

I explicitly asked our esteemed host if it was ok to quote pm's in the thread after dead:

Evidence:



Is quoting pm's in the thread after dead allowed?

A.

Yes.

pÆvergreen

Anyway, good sir, you, as an upstanding citizen of Inishmore are doing the RIGHT THING. Lynch the English scumbag that is LittleGrizzly. This has taken long enough.

And lynch Sasaki! We cannot allow old and dirty keyboards and silly spelling mistakes! Think about the children!

[GeneralHankerchief]

I think not. Besides, boudica appears to be nothing more than a "next in line" lynch.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Remember the Prometheus game. Andres is pulling a ME. Ignore him.

I checked, you weren't in that game. I messed with the town after I was dead. Got Chaotix to basically get himself lynched, and YLC nearly did the same thing after listening to me. Everything a dead mafioso says is WIFOM.... it's not always what you think it is. Sure, Andres is saying Grizz is guilty so that you assume he's using reverse psychology. But he also assumes you're smart enough to assume that, and so on.

I realize my saying this will not even make you budge. So I will use reverse psychology to "make you keep your vote on him."

LittleGrizzly is guilty... lynch him.

[Andres]

I checked, you weren't in that game. I messed with the town after I was dead. Got Chaotix to basically get himself lynched, and YLC nearly did the same thing after listening to me. Everything a dead mafioso says is WIFOM.... it's not always what you think it is. Sure, Andres is saying Grizz is guilty so that you assume he's using reverse psychology. But he also assumes you're smart enough to assume that, and so on.

I realize my saying this will not even make you budge. So I will use reverse psychology to "make you keep your vote on him."

LittleGrizzly is guilty... lynch him.

Why would an innocent townie feel the need to use reverse psychology?

:inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why would an innocent townie feel the need to use reverse psychology?

:inquisitive:

To make a joke, and to undo the terrible wrong you inflicted on him.

Why would a mafioso be "trying to help the town?"

[Andres]

To make a joke, and to undo the terrible wrong you inflicted on him.

Why would a mafioso be "trying to help the town?"

I don't want to help the town, but town and I have one goal in common: to get rid of the English mafia. Their Godfather is with a very high probability LittleGrizzly.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't want to help the town, but town and I have one goal in common: to get rid of the English mafia. Their Godfather is with a very high probability LittleGrizzly.

Your goal is to cause as much confusion and destruction as possible. Your goals have nothing to do with the town's goals.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Boudica:

You finished your research yet, or are you just lurking? I see you going offline, coming online, and going offline again.

You're not "catching up on reading" to present any case at all.


Today, 07:15 (my time)

Please go ahead and properly question me. If you want proper answers then you'll probably have to wait until I can make some informed responses and that means doing some serious catching up.
It is now 8:45 (my time)

What is your response?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well. I've certainly read a lot of silly nonsense. I'll write up my case when I can get some breakfast.

edit: pizza, wouldn't you agree that it's best for the town to keep everything concise and readable?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Life: Diana

[Andres]

Well. I've certainly read a lot of silly nonsense. I'll write up my case when I can get some breakfast.

Cover your keyboard while eating, will ya. Or else we'll have to lynch you for reasons of hygiene...

[ULC]

I checked, you weren't in that game. I messed with the town after I was dead. Got Chaotix to basically get himself lynched, and YLC nearly did the same thing after listening to me. Everything a dead mafioso says is WIFOM.... it's not always what you think it is. Sure, Andres is saying Grizz is guilty so that you assume he's using reverse psychology. But he also assumes you're smart enough to assume that, and so on.

I realize my saying this will not even make you budge. So I will use reverse psychology to "make you keep your vote on him."

LittleGrizzly is guilty... lynch him.

Hey, I can conclusively say I knew Reenk reveal was false - However, my strategy for insuring the town would believe me flopped, horribly. It was the only game I felt slightly bitter about after the end.


Why would an innocent townie feel the need to use reverse psychology?

:inquisitive:

Yes, because innocence is your middle name.

Seriously, we have a 9 players left, with 4 mafia - it's extremely unlikely we will lynch a townie.

4 Townies
4 Mafia
1 Neutral Role

Look at that.

I'd like to ask, look at who is still alive, and their status.

ATPG - has been active all game, under constant suspicion, and has done his own independant work (whther he was right or wrong). Cannot be English mafia, since he was after Ituralde and did everything he could to be lynched even while others ignored his case for the most part, and if he was, there was no need for it. Possible Irish mafia, will look into it more.

Seireikhaan - The neutral role. His name is not English, this excludes him from being English mafia. He was attacked by the Irish mafia - if Godfather's can survive one night kill, this makes no sense. It exposes the Godfather meaning the English know where their target is - simply put, it's a stupid move.

Sasaki - He's not dead yet. That doesn't make him suspicious by itself, but say, if he was actually on the right track, the mafia would remove him. Sasaki can swing people with his vote - remove that vote, and Sasaki becomes less potent and less convincing, which is good for the mafia despite possible blame shifting to them. One might say that makes him good lynch bait, but we have two families, meaning that you simply can't take that risk since the other mafia will only be to happy to jump onbaord as a voting block - to retaliate would be to reveal to much. Plus, Sasaki, the whole game, has never been good lynch bait, until now.

Boudica - Essentially lurked the whole game, gave poor reasoning for most of her votes, used poor logic to essentially keep herself alive. Sasaki has always done a good job of saying to ATPG "Hey, yea, she such a good suspect...but, look, there is this other guy, and he a tad shadier...trust me", constantly being loud enough to pull ATPG away. Boudica is also using Psycho mafia as an excuse, when the game ended the 26th (if she was following along the whole time - otherwise, her participation should have spiked the 10th, when she was lynched :brood:), yet, she only suddenly became active today, when the game is on the line...how..interesting...yes. It does not take 5 days to catch up on a game, it takes hours. I read through the entire Midgard threads, both of them, in one day, while still doing other things, such as school work. Not a good excuse.

El Diablo - Has basically avoided the WoG (not very well), thats his major contribution. Mostly likely townie, since thats how ED behaves if roleless, also, mafia in a setup like this avoid Wog bait like the devil, since their kills need to count. Better to try and get the town to "lynch the lurker" during the day.

LittleGrizzly - I have actually ignored the bantering going back and forth between him and Sasaki. The issue is, LG responses are intune with how he is each game he plays - he is an easy target for an inquisition by someone like Sasaki. He is naturally defensive, refines his responses in an attempt to be clearer each time, has a tendency not to check up on his facts, and is mostly reactive - thats not Godfather material or behavior, especially for this long. The only reason the mafia would keep him alive is as lynch bait, some way for the town to waste their votes, since killing him removes his purpose - to hide behind. Godfathers need to check their facts, and be able to present their case in a good way when questioned - a less then solid defense makes them, and their team, vulnerable to the town and the other mafia. The very reasons Sasaki has been touting as reasons to lynch LG are the very reasons he is not what Sasaki says he is (nor Andres).

Lord Winter - Read El Diablo - however, it has been put forth LW could and can write the Oswald write ups, so that is something to think about. I will say LW did vote just like boudica - voting for the dead :brood:. Lord Winter needs questioned, but he is "never around" to be questioned, just as he is barely around to stay away from the wog and cast a useless vote.

Diana Abnoba - Um...we have a new player stil alive? How o.O!? Either she is more then what she appears, or the mafia skip over he because she isn't threatening to them. But, as a townie vote that generally goes along with ATPG, that makes me wonder...

GeneralHanckerchief - Sorry to forget about you :sweatdrop:, be nice. GH has, for the most part, given off almost no mafia vibes. However, he has posted carefully, and conscisly, and has worked with the detective. If he is a Godfather, this is an excellent postion, since it allows him to find the other mafia group. Since he comes off as innocent, he could at the very least try to pass himself off as a townie. Having come out and accused WE of being possible scum, one might look at it as if GH is putting himself out their a bit to much.

[LittleGrizzly]

Sorry Grizz, guilty by association. I believe Andres's assertions that you're the English Godfather is meant to throw us off track. I'll bet you anything that you're the Irish Godfather.

Ohh great lets make our votes based off scum posts, even if we assume the opposite is true... isn't Andres smart enough to use reverse physcology ? by the looks of things yes, what i didn't expect was that anyone would fall for it...

GH seriously ask yourself why Im not getting attack by mafia after being revealed as the godfather...

Yet both sets of mafia keep me alive... why ? probably because they now im just a bloody townie who is up well high on the lynch bait list....

Im not sure on anyone... even pizza who is backing my case now... the only thing i maintain any level of certainty on is Sasaki's guilt

I will happily offer the town my life if Sasaki turns out to be innocent... but im almost sure... he is scum!

If we can lynch Sasaki this turn... and he isn't a named character... i will begin the voting on littlegrizzly and not move it unless everyone else is sure my potential lynch rival is scum...

[seireikhaan]

Good grief people, some folks need some sleep.

Anyways, yes, I am Heilyn. I challenge you to find an englishman named Heilyn. You won't. That's because I'm just a Welsh champ who got caught in the crossfire, like you. I'm just looking to get outta this hellhole of Inishmore.

Death: Diana
Vote: Boudica

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok.

You are claiming to be neutral, then? What are your victory conditions?

[seireikhaan]

Living. Don't matter who else wins, as long as I'm alive.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Abilities, if any?

And I looked up your name, after I read the writeup. It is a Welsh (http://www.babyhold.com/list/Welsh_Baby_Names/Heilyn/details/) name.

[seireikhaan]

You just saw it used.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So, murder immune, and nothing else?

No small wonder you've been quiet all game. Your story checks out.

[Reenk Roink]

First, a well executed reveal Seamus! :2thumbsup:

Now then, the fact that Seamus was killed strongly suggests a grunt is still out there (although who really knows, the position of Mafia causes people to do silly things).

This is what should happen. We need a three way tie between Atpg, GH, and boudica. Hopefully our lord and master pevergreen kills them all.

Next up is Sasaki and LG, maybe throwing in another guy, don't know. Shinseikhaan will probably die so that is good.

[Askthepizzaguy]

First, a well executed reveal Seamus! :2thumbsup:

Now then, the fact that Seamus was killed strongly suggests a grunt is still out there (although who really knows, the position of Mafia causes people to do silly things).

This is what should happen. We need a three way tie between Atpg, GH, and boudica. Hopefully our lord and master pevergreen kills them all.

Next up is Sasaki and LG, maybe throwing in another guy, don't know. Shinseikhaan will probably die so that is good.

I would love a three-way tie between myself, Sasaki, and boudica. GH is innocent... he's not a henchman from the investigation, and he's been too bold with his attack on White_eyes to be a Godfather in my view.

Take down the three of us that I mentioned, and I will gladly die.

[Andres]

First, a well executed reveal Seamus! :2thumbsup:

Now then, the fact that Seamus was killed strongly suggests a grunt is still out there (although who really knows, the position of Mafia causes people to do silly things).

This is what should happen. We need a three way tie between Atpg, GH, and boudica. Hopefully our lord and master pevergreen kills them all.

Next up is Sasaki and LG, maybe throwing in another guy, don't know. Shinseikhaan will probably die so that is good.

I have an even better idea :idea:

Everybody collectively commits suicide and it's game over :2thumbsup:

Well, not everybody, Don Grizzly will withdraw his suicide offer right before the round ends :mellow:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Living. Don't matter who else wins, as long as I'm alive.

Role pm?

I saw that your name was welsh...but the nightkill immunity was quite interesting, and the welsh are british I believe.

Now that khaan has claimed the "other" role, if anyone else out there has it, step forward.

[ULC]

I like the fact I can spend 30 minutes of my life writing up something that took me 2 hours to research and then get ignored. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside to know that :beam:

[seireikhaan]

Also, I would advise the town to put Diana to death. Her behavior reminds me completely of how I behaved in my first mafia game.

[Andres]

Role pm?

I saw that your name was welsh...but the nightkill immunity was quite interesting, and the welsh are british I believe.

Now that khaan has claimed the "other" role, if anyone else out there has it, step forward.

If I weren't dead, I'd step forward, but alas, I'm trapped in this coffin.

[seireikhaan]

Hello 'khaan. :bow:

You have been randomly selected as Heilyn. You're a traveling Welsh boxing champion. You were scouring the town of Inishmore, hoping to find a worthy foe, when violence broke out between the British and IRA. Now, you just need to get out so as to fight another day.

Your lone ability is to survive a kill attempt during the night.

Your victory condition is to survive to the end of the game. It doesn't matter whether mafia or town win.

Good luck.
:bow:
pevergreen
For Sasaki.

[Reenk Roink]

I like the fact I can spend 30 minutes of my life writing up something that took me 2 hours to research and then get ignored. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside to know that :beam:

Now you know how Atpg feels. :laugh4:

Actually, I read your post. You had some good insights on the lower profile players, but you think GH is innocent... How can I endorse such a view? :shrug:

edit: K, leave khaan alone.

[GeneralHankerchief]

The one thing I learned from Capo II is not to trust the multiple lynch. Somebody will always come around to screw it up... as myself, Sasaki, and Andres can all attest to. :laugh4:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

For Sasaki.

In the absence of another claim I'll buy that. The role fits how you defended yourself.

I will have to rethink things.

[Askthepizzaguy]

vote: boudica

Life: Diana

[ULC]

Now you know how Atpg feels. :laugh4:

Actually, I read your post. You had some good insights on the lower profile players, but you think GH is innocent... How can I endorse such a view? :shrug:

edit: K, leave khaan alone.

I was actually undecided about GH, simply because I can't geta read on him - he feels to neutral to me. He is either innocent or Godfather, and if Godfather, then he has an excellent idea on whom to kill to win for his team. But if we lynch a townie, then we are put into a terrible position were the mafia can overpower us in the vote (if they work together, but to remove the townie is a risky). However, I will note that since GH was working with two innocents, his jumping on Ituralde would not be a bad move.

I'd agree with a GH-Boudica lynch :evilgrin:.

[FactionHeir]

I think a three way tie between boudica GH and ATPG would be nice :yes:

Tho GH is prolly innocent.

[boudica]

I have attempted to catch up with the thread and only got a couple of pages past the sign-up phase. Askthepizzaguy - you place far too much emphasis on who does what when and how long they're online for: I've had the internet on while I've been getting on with some work :shame::shame::shame: on me.

Good to see Shinseikhaan's reveal
unvote: Khaan

Maybe those of you who have decided I'm the best bet for a lynch will be able to wade through the 'evidence' again once I'm dead and work out who the actual mafia are. Maybe not.

In the meantime

vote: Sasaki

If it comes down to whether or not LG or you is right, I'm betting on LG's innocence.

I'll leave my vote on Diana: Life - I think ATPG is probably correct about this curious votes meaning. If she is guilty - way to lurk girl! :2thumbsup:

[ULC]

Any counter to my arguments against you B?

[boudica]

Any counter to my arguments against you B?

If these are your arguments:


Boudica - Essentially lurked the whole game, gave poor reasoning for most of her votes, used poor logic to essentially keep herself alive. Sasaki has always done a good job of saying to ATPG "Hey, yea, she such a good suspect...but, look, there is this other guy, and he a tad shadier...trust me", constantly being loud enough to pull ATPG away. Boudica is also using Psycho mafia as an excuse, when the game ended the 26th (if she was following along the whole time - otherwise, her participation should have spiked the 10th, when she was lynched ), yet, she only suddenly became active today, when the game is on the line...how..interesting...yes. It does not take 5 days to catch up on a game, it takes hours. I read through the entire Midgard threads, both of them, in one day, while still doing other things, such as school work. Not a good excuse.

....then I feel I have already dutifully addressed them in this thread under my persecution by ATPG. If you think Sasaki is swaying ATPG then you can take that up with him. With reference to Psychomafia - yes I was lynched early, but then subbed for Kralizec who had a role which occupied me pretty much til game end. As far as catching up on the thread - I am finding that impossible - it's a wreath of daisys :laugh4: and I am kind of accepting the fact that if I am lynched it is down to my inattentive play (to which I have already admitted to extensively). Believe it or not - I shall not even take any pleasure from the inevitable head-meets-wall smileys that those who have gone after me shall experience.

[Reenk Roink]

If these are your arguments:



....then I feel I have already dutifully addressed them in this thread under my persecution by ATPG. If you think Sasaki is swaying ATPG then you can take that up with him. With reference to Psychomafia - yes I was lynched early, but then subbed for Kralizec who had a role which occupied me pretty much til game end. As far as catching up on the thread - I am finding that impossible - it's a wreath of daisys :laugh4: and I am kind of accepting the fact that if I am lynched it is down to my inattentive play (to which I have already admitted to extensively). Believe it or not - I shall not even take any pleasure from the inevitable head-meets-wall smileys that those who have gone after me shall experience.

I just added you on my target lynch to convince others to also get GH and Atpg because many think you need to go. I don't really have much but minor suspicion otherwise, but adding you would be prudent to my goals. :bow:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

English Mafia

The khaan reveal messes up my english mafia ideas. I put boudica and El Diablo in as top possibilities, but don't have anything substantial on them.

Lord Winter:

My case on Lord Winter is not substantial, largely due to his absence. However, consider the alive list:

Askthepizzaguy--believe to be brendan due to ties with LG, kill choice
LittleGrizzly--innocent result;
GeneralHankerchief--innocent result
Sasaki Kojiro--innocent
Lord Winter
serierkhaan--revealed to have a role other than oswald
Diana Abnoba
boudica--innocent result
El Diablo--innocent result

It comes down to LW vs diana. This (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2177572&postcount=141) post of LW's leads me to believe he could have targeted AVSM that night, this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2190498&postcount=973) is a typical example of his lurking, and in this post: (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2189796&postcount=933)


Vote: YLC

Your last posts come off as too agressive.


@AtPG/Reenk

The only part that links the kill to Reenk is the clear Weenx imitation. That is all it is though an imitatioin. Look at the finer points it is missing the characteristic Wanax commentary that would Reenk put in on the Wenex kills. I'm not buying the match.

He votes a dead man, claims to have not been following the game carefully, but the one thing he does know about is the "finer points" of oswalds kill.

However, the grunts are only important if you can connect them with their godfather in some way, and LW has not posted enough for that. So, on to the Irish.

The Irish Mafia


The first round fake "lynch me":


With this many people, you're just going to hit an innocent or a pro-town role. Even if you got close to catching a mafia, they would just manipulate the tally and avoid it.

As such, I'm volunteering to go first. I'd like any and all votes, please.


I tried to generate discussion, but I don't see much discussion happening. I'm not the Godfather, because that would completely bury my team mates. I'd be ballsy/dumb enough to do this as a regular mafia, perhaps not on the first round, but it would be downright selfish to try such a prank if I were a Godfather. I am not any such thing. Were I a Godfather, I would have to answer to my teammates for letting them down, and seriously, no player would sabotage other people's fun by suiciding an entire team. What I set out to do has been accomplished, now I shall use my vote for more productive things. I'm quite happy being lynched, still enough votes on me to keep me near the lead, but let's try to get some lurkers talking.

unvote: Askthepizzaguy
vote: Polemists

Just to get him talking. Couple of pressure votes ought to do it.

Complete contradiction. First said he was going to offer himself because we couldn't lynch mafia this early and might lynch a pro town role. Now he says it was "to generate discussion", but that not much discussion has happened...then he says that "what he set out to do has been accomplished", which is why he's now voting for a lurker to get more discussion going. It's clear that "what he set out to do" was make a self lynch situation with the intention of proving he isn't the godfather.

LG votes abstain, with the comment "Getting bored of lynching ATPGuy early on". It's not that he thinks it's a bad idea, he's just "bored with it"...

The Irish mafia Kill choices:

Of interest:

Seamus, given atpg's post here. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2180541&postcount=371) See a couple posts down from that as well.

Side note: pizza votes andres here for no big reason "surely you can contribute more". Andres is in no danger of being lynched. It was asked earlier what kind of things I saw as connections, well this is one kind, where mafia sometimes refer to their partners in a slightly stilted, unnatural way. It is not in the slightest bit provable so I don't make a case out of it, but I do mention it when I see it. Other kinds of connections are more relevant.

Reenk roink, given pizza guy was convinced he was mafia. It doesn't make sense to kill reenk if you don't believe he's mafia. He draws too much attention.

Khaan.


Seireikhaan, on the other hand, hasn't been contributing, and there's no reason behind his votes. He's not even paying attention to who he is voting for. As such, I don't think he cares who dies, as long as it's not him. I also think some of his head-game tactics earlier on this game were intended perhaps to fool the mafia, but seriously? Only I was even confused about it, and I explained my theory about what he was doing, which was acting like bait for the mafia, and then he never got killed, and he's had no pressure on him, but he hasn't changed his strategy. He's still hiding, basically, and he deserves a pressure vote.

Speak now, or forever hold your peace.

Again, another person you kill only if you think he's mafia.

The "I was tied with boudica and offered myself up for lynch" argument

It is here that I will halt my summary for a time. Rereading the day where pizza and boudica were tied is making me uneasy. Particularly this post:


Round is nearly done, I don't think it's boudica. I asked one of the dead innocents, CountArach, what his opinion on the remaining suspects were. He said Ares should be lynched, and I agree. If Ares is innocent, I'll take the blame.

unvote: Sasaki
vote: Ares



Consulting a confirmed innocent? This really smells like pizza was anxious about breaking the tie, and wanted an excuse. His reasoning for backing off boudica is shifty as well. I shall have to reread with this in mind, and take a look at pizza's case on boudica today to see if it still makes sense for them as partners.

[ULC]

I understand, and technically, that attribute should be added to the case against Sasaki. However, you have had 5 days since the end of psychomafia to quickly and easily catch up, yet you haven't. Do not fault me to much for finding this suspicious, maybe I am OCD about keeping up with the games I play.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki - He's not dead yet. That doesn't make him suspicious by itself, but say, if he was actually on the right track, the mafia would remove him. Sasaki can swing people with his vote - remove that vote, and Sasaki becomes less potent and less convincing, which is good for the mafia despite possible blame shifting to them. One might say that makes him good lynch bait, but we have two families, meaning that you simply can't take that risk since the other mafia will only be to happy to jump onbaord as a voting block - to retaliate would be to reveal to much. Plus, Sasaki, the whole game, has never been good lynch bait, until now.

In the past, I've always been left alive because when we get to endgame, people will say "sasaki could be fooling us!". Also, killing me confirms my innocence.



LittleGrizzly - I have actually ignored the bantering going back and forth between him and Sasaki. The issue is, LG responses are intune with how he is each game he plays - he is an easy target for an inquisition by someone like Sasaki. He is naturally defensive, refines his responses in an attempt to be clearer each time, has a tendency not to check up on his facts, and is mostly reactive - thats not Godfather material or behavior, especially for this long. The only reason the mafia would keep him alive is as lynch bait, some way for the town to waste their votes, since killing him removes his purpose - to hide behind. Godfathers need to check their facts, and be able to present their case in a good way when questioned - a less then solid defense makes them, and their team, vulnerable to the town and the other mafia. The very reasons Sasaki has been touting as reasons to lynch LG are the very reasons he is not what Sasaki says he is (nor Andres).


I'm interested in what you have to say on this, because it is possible I became blinded. Do you have a specific game you're thinking of that LG responded in a naturally defensive way, with refining and lack of fact checking etc?

[ULC]

In the past, I've always been left alive because when we get to endgame, people will say "sasaki could be fooling us!". Also, killing me confirms my innocence.

Hmm, I haven't looked to hard at your past games, and as I said, it does not make you suspicious in of it's self. However, you hammered day in and day out about LG, reducing the need to keep you alive. The only people who need scream "he's fooling us!" are mafia at this point, but to do so makes one vulnerable and is a weak ploy. An innocent Sasaki at the end has a stronger vote and stronger ability to sway votes, and thus it's making me interested why you are still alive.



I'm interested in what you have to say on this, because it is possible I became blinded. Do you have a specific game you're thinking of that LG responded in a naturally defensive way, with refining and lack of fact checking etc?

A specific game? No, not off the top of my head, but everygame I've ever played with or read about him, he acts extremely defensive. maybe I am wrong here, I'll go look up each and every game he was in (he was in your Kung Fu mafia, correct?), and get back to you. But that is how I view him as of now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

English Mafia

The khaan reveal messes up my english mafia ideas. I put boudica and El Diablo in as top possibilities, but don't have anything substantial on them.

Lord Winter:

My case on Lord Winter is not substantial, largely due to his absence. However, consider the alive list:

Askthepizzaguy--believe to be brendan due to ties with LG, kill choice
LittleGrizzly--innocent result;
GeneralHankerchief--innocent result
Sasaki Kojiro--innocent
Lord Winter
serierkhaan--revealed to have a role other than oswald
Diana Abnoba
boudica--innocent result
El Diablo--innocent result

It comes down to LW vs diana. This (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2177572&postcount=141) post of LW's leads me to believe he could have targeted AVSM that night, this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2190498&postcount=973) is a typical example of his lurking, and in this post: (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2189796&postcount=933)



He votes a dead man, claims to have not been following the game carefully, but the one thing he does know about is the "finer points" of oswalds kill.

However, the grunts are only important if you can connect them with their godfather in some way, and LW has not posted enough for that. So, on to the Irish.

The Irish Mafia


The first round fake "lynch me":





Complete contradiction. First said he was going to offer himself because we couldn't lynch mafia this early and might lynch a pro town role. Now he says it was "to generate discussion", but that not much discussion has happened...then he says that "what he set out to do has been accomplished", which is why he's now voting for a lurker to get more discussion going. It's clear that "what he set out to do" was make a self lynch situation with the intention of proving he isn't the godfather.

LG votes abstain, with the comment "Getting bored of lynching ATPGuy early on". It's not that he thinks it's a bad idea, he's just "bored with it"...

The Irish mafia Kill choices:

Of interest:

Seamus, given atpg's post here. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2180541&postcount=371) See a couple posts down from that as well.

Side note: pizza votes andres here for no big reason "surely you can contribute more". Andres is in no danger of being lynched. It was asked earlier what kind of things I saw as connections, well this is one kind, where mafia sometimes refer to their partners in a slightly stilted, unnatural way. It is not in the slightest bit provable so I don't make a case out of it, but I do mention it when I see it. Other kinds of connections are more relevant.

Reenk roink, given pizza guy was convinced he was mafia. It doesn't make sense to kill reenk if you don't believe he's mafia. He draws too much attention.

Khaan.



Again, another person you kill only if you think he's mafia.

The "I was tied with boudica and offered myself up for lynch" argument

It is here that I will halt my summary for a time. Rereading the day where pizza and boudica were tied is making me uneasy. Particularly this post:



Consulting a confirmed innocent? This really smells like pizza was anxious about breaking the tie, and wanted an excuse. His reasoning for backing off boudica is shifty as well. I shall have to reread with this in mind, and take a look at pizza's case on boudica today to see if it still makes sense for them as partners.

Rebuttal:

Hello, Oswald.

[seireikhaan]

I can't believe people aren't going to put Diana to death for her lurking. Its sooooo obvious she's a mafioso...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

More an pizzaguy.


Very nicely done Sasaki. I loved how nice you were to me all game to gain my favor. Should I reveal all your lovely PMs to me? Trying to pass on your veteran wisdom, take me under your wing, Sasaki? Right. That's absolutely Sasaki behavior.

Actually, I tried to make it up to you after coming perilously close to calling you an idiot:


There is literally nothing in this post that makes any sense. You didn't even check when the last time boudica was online. I did it for you: 8:53.


See this is the problem with your play in mafia games. Making careless assumptions and arguments is only half of it, when someone criticizes your argument you don't reconsider, you make great leaps in logic in order to keep your original assumption, even if it requires you to contradict something you said 5 minutes ago. Unless several people criticize your argument in which case you vote yourself and make a lengthy post about how you are in "lurker" mode and that you should just be lynched and start putting everything you say in spoilers.

This is from the day when boudica and pizza were tied briefly.


It is no small wonder that Sasaki didn't go after me for what had to be completely suicidal and bad-townie behavior of saying "please get the votes off of boudica... I think she's innocent..." when I was tied with her. Oh, I must have been your savior, Sasaki and boudica.

The above criticism was directed at you after you backed off boudica. I was trying to get boudica lynched that day. Also, and you noted this yourself at the time, Ituralde was present while ares and boudica were tied and did not vote:


Interesting timing you have, Ituralde.

Showing up a mere 20 minutes before the lynch. What a coincidence.


Sasaki accusing me of being Brendan now, instead of Oswald... that's rich. Why Brendan and not Oswald, as he originally stated? And why lord winter as Oswald?

How would he assume I am Brendan and not Oswald, unless he were Oswald himself? I don't rest my case, but frankly, I can stop here to let it all sink in.

I didn't originally state that you were oswald. I said that you were brendan because: the kill choices made by brendan matched the people you were suspicious of, and because of your connection with andres and little grizzly. You also pursued Ituralde from the get go.

Now I will ask you a question Pizza.


I accused Sasaki of being Oswald, and boudica of being his Godfather partner. I would obviously be more interested in boudica, because Boudica CANNOT be Oswald due to the investigation.

You can lynch me at any time. But you should have done that a LONG time ago. Now it's time to give me one moment to state my case against boudica, and please pay attention to why I am not going after Sasaki yet.

Boudica needs to be properly questioned. If she satisfies my suspicions, Sasaki is next.

Why are you only going after the people you think are English mafia? This is what you just accused me of doing. You even implied that you could rest your case on that point.

Summary on Pizza guy:

1)The day one self lynch was a fake, and his own posts reveal the only point of it was to make him look innocent.
2 &3)In response to my accusation of him today he has made a nonsensical accusation of boudica and I being english mafia. Specifically english mafia, with no mention of who he thinks the irish mafia are.
4)The kill choices of brendan are people pizza guy wanted to kill

[Reenk Roink]

Finally somebody else gets it. I say let Sasaki win even if he is Mafia, if this case gets Atpg lynched (and GH). :bow:

[ULC]

Hmm..LG as mafia has a greater tendency to create more lengthy posts, try to refute as many attacks as he sees. The number of points he tries to address increase in frequency the greater the stress he is under as well. HOWEVER - the consistency with which he replies with regards to accuracy is simply based on activity at the time, not with whether he is mafia or town.

Thus, LG may simply be under signifigant pressure this game from you Sasaki, or may be stressed out because he is annoyed. Or he is a Godfather. But we only have 2 Godfathers, and the innocent list from the investigations is still rather long, including GH, Boudica, and LG. LW and ED have never been checked, and you missed your investigation by one night :wink:

Why ATPG wasn't checked is beyond me :laugh4:

[ULC]

I can't believe people aren't going to put Diana to death for her lurking. Its sooooo obvious she's a mafioso...

You two have posted essentially the same amount, so watch the "Lurker" :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

More an pizzaguy.



Actually, I tried to make it up to you after coming perilously close to calling you an idiot:





This is from the day when boudica and pizza were tied briefly.



The above criticism was directed at you after you backed off boudica. I was trying to get boudica lynched that day. Also, and you noted this yourself at the time, Ituralde was present while ares and boudica were tied and did not vote:





I didn't originally state that you were oswald. I said that you were brendan because: the kill choices made by brendan matched the people you were suspicious of, and because of your connection with andres and little grizzly. You also pursued Ituralde from the get go.

Now I will ask you a question Pizza.



This is what you just accused me of doing. You even implied that you could rest your case on that point.

Summary on Pizza guy:

1)The day one self lynch was a fake, and his own posts reveal the only point of it was to make him look innocent.
2 &3)In response to my accusation of him today he has made a nonsensical accusation of boudica and I being english mafia. Specifically english mafia, with no mention of who he thinks the irish mafia are.
4)The kill choices of brendan are people pizza guy wanted to kill


Rebuttal:

Hi Oswald! Name all the people remaining who could be Oswald.


Perhaps the only thing you said I will respond to:


Why are you only going after the people you think are English mafia?

Because of the big eloquent murder writeup, and because the number of Oswald suspects are dwindling. It's down to just you and a select few other people. You've tipped your hand when you spend most of the time on your case of who is Irish mafia. Interesting that you'd then turn around and say I'm stuck on who the English are. I am hunting for Oswald due to the ever shrinking suspect list for who that player could be, and in doing that, I might be able to deduce who one of the Godfathers are.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm a bit knackered. Right now, I think that pizza guy is definitely mafia. Most likely, the Irish grunt, due to kill choice and pursuit of ituralde. I will have to reread very carefully to determine whether LG or boudica is his godfather. In my opinion, boudica can't be the english godfather due to Ituralde not breaking the tie. LG, despite his mention of the two blind mice thing which had linked him tenuosly to the irish mafia, is my top candidate for english godfather if he isn't the irish one.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh here, let me solve it, Sasaki. Be right back. :bounce:

[Reenk Roink]

It also makes sense how Andres always interjected when I posted on Atpg. Pretty obvious town, but get GH too!

edit: Lastly, look at the differences in the way that Atpg posted and the frequency of his posting in both The Settlement and this game. The former is more playful which is what Atpg had always said he would do after gf3. The latter is more to the point and reminiscent of Prometheus where Atpg tries to portray himself as super townie when he is town, but tries too hard which gives the telltale signs...

For the conservative post analyzers out there, this is a damning piece of evidence again.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Rebuttal:

Hi Oswald! Name all the people remaining who could be Oswald.


Perhaps the only thing you said I will respond to:



Because of the big eloquent murder writeup, and because the number of Oswald suspects are dwindling. It's down to just you and a select few other people. You've tipped your hand when you spend most of the time on your case of who is Irish mafia. Interesting that you'd then turn around and say I'm stuck on who the English are. I am hunting for Oswald due to the ever shrinking suspect list for who that player could be, and in doing that, I might be able to deduce who one of the Godfathers are.

This is nonsense atpg. I've made my case for who the english mafia are. I had them pegged as two lurkers so pardon me if I didn't have piles of evidenc. I've stated what I think about everyone left alive--this is because I'm looking for all the mafia, not just the english ones like you are.

You can't refute anything I've said.


pever, in the event of a tie, will both people be lynched again?

also, Life:Diana

Even though she votes the same way as pizza and is a mafioso by proxy, once he's rid of she still counts as a townie.

[ULC]

Do realize there are only 4 town left - it's 50/50 whether we are right.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Alive:

Due to investigations:

Askthepizzaguy- Not Oswald (I have the Askthepizzaguy Clue card)
LittleGrizzly- Not Oswald
GeneralHankerchief- Not Oswald
Sasaki Kojiro- never investigated
Lord Winter- ???
serierkhaan- Not Oswald
Diana Abnoba- ???
boudica- Not Oswald
El Diablo- Not Oswald



That leaves you, me, Lord Winter, and Diana. Even leaving my personal knowledge out of it, Diana wasn't even present for at least one of the murders. Lord Winter, doubtful due to his desire to leave the game. I know I'm not Oswald, and even you aren't accusing me of being Oswald anymore.

That leaves.... you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch me, Sasaki, and boudica, please.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Alive:

Due to investigations:

Askthepizzaguy- Not Oswald (I have the Askthepizzaguy Clue card)
LittleGrizzly- Not Oswald
GeneralHankerchief- Not Oswald
Sasaki Kojiro- never investigated
Lord Winter- ???
serierkhaan- Not Oswald
Diana Abnoba- ???
boudica- Not Oswald
El Diablo- Not Oswald



That leaves you, me, Lord Winter, and Diana. Even leaving my personal knowledge out of it, Diana wasn't even present for at least one of the murders. Lord Winter, doubtful due to his desire to leave the game. I know I'm not Oswald, and even you aren't accusing me of being Oswald anymore.

That leaves.... you.

Pizza, you just claimed to be brendan.

If you know it wasn't diana, and you know it wasn't lord winter because he offered suicide ( :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: ), and you say that I'm Oswald...who does that leave? :smash:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd rather take down the entire English mafia in one night and claim credit, Sasaki.

DIE!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!

[ULC]

It also makes sense how Andres always interjected when I posted on Atpg. Pretty obvious town, but get GH too!

edit: Lastly, look at the differences in the way that Atpg posted and the frequency of his posting in both The Settlement and this game. The former is more playful which is what Atpg had always said he would do after gf3. The latter is more to the point and reminiscent of Prometheus where Atpg tries to portray himself as super townie when he is town, but tries too hard which gives the telltale signs...

For the conservative post analyzers out there, this is a damning piece of evidence again.

You mean lazy. You yourself refute this as a bad way to determine guilt, but are willing to use it as evidence against ATPG? Either you think he is incapable doing what you say everyone else can (change their style as they see fit), or just trying to heap poor accusation on top of him.

And do remember I am innocent looking in, not mafia scum trying to save my partner, so watch the hypocrisy, kay :wink:

[seireikhaan]

Here's a question, folks; why is there even a "life/death" option made separate, exclusively for Diana?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:LittleGrizzly

Will complete my reread before voting closes. But with pizza certain as mafia, I don't believe his play today accusing boudica is something he would do. I go back once more to his "I just don't buy grizzly as mafia, sasaki, I'll vote him tomorrow" when I presented my case on grizz.

[Reenk Roink]

You mean lazy. You yourself refute this as a bad way to determine guilt, but are willing to use it as evidence against ATPG? Either you think he is incapable doing what you say everyone else can (change their style as they see fit), or just trying to heap poor accusation on top of him.

And do remember I am innocent looking in, not mafia scum trying to save my partner, so watch the hypocrisy, kay :wink:

Of course I use different standards YLC, so what. You appeal to different people according to different methods. I don't care about making an epistemically correct case (as far as I am concerned that is impossible). I don't care to champion another method (I only criticize other methods when they go against my point of view).

Call it hypocrisy or double standards, I call it "what is right for one is not right for another" :bow:

I have a goal, I will use every avenue to reach it, every way of appealing to the town, to hell with consistency! :laugh4: :2thumbsup:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote:LittleGrizzly

Will complete my reread before voting closes. But with pizza certain as mafia, I don't believe his play today accusing boudica is something he would do. I go back once more to his "I just don't buy grizzly as mafia, sasaki, I'll vote him tomorrow" when I presented my case on grizz.

Since you're Oswald, I wasn't going to listen to your "case" on Grizzly.

Boudica is your Godfather.

[Reenk Roink]

Atpg has given up. Kill him! :charge:

edit: please post the tally

[Askthepizzaguy]

As long as you take out the entire english mafia, I offer you my head, a third time.

:bow: courteously.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Seconded on a tally call. I should be studying right now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I will get you your tally, courteously.

Bring me Sasaki's head.

[ULC]

Of course I use different standards YLC, so what. You appeal to different people according to different methods. I don't care about making an epistemically correct case (as far as I am concerned that is impossible). I don't care to champion another method (I only criticize other methods when they go against my point of view).

Call it hypocrisy or double standards, I call it "what is right for one is not right for another" :bow:

I have a goal, I will use every avenue to reach it, every way of appealing to the town, to hell with consistency! :laugh4: :2thumbsup:

Then that is bad play IMO, I am or at least try to always be consistent in which I "appeal" to the town. At most, I will hold a double opinion, but that is only so I can realize how I may be wrong/right.

Sorry for being principaled, that is how I feel and it's my own burden and sorrow to carry I suppose.

[Reenk Roink]

Then that is bad play IMO, I am or at least try to always be consistent in which I "appeal" to the town. At most, I will hold a double opinion, but that is only so I can realize how I may be wrong/right.

Sorry for being principaled, that is how I feel and it's my own burden and sorrow to carry I suppose.

In my view consistency is too hard to achieve, makes you an easy target for both the town and the Mafia, and gets boring.

Embrace the chaos of inconsistency! To me, it is the only thing keeping the game fresh. I'm sick of my current model of playing though, will be changing it shortly. :bow:

[TinCow]

This game is not confusing enough. As I was the impartial Mastermind chosen to select the distribution of all roles and therefore know everyone's identity, I shall provide you all with a clue that shall reveal the truth to those who seek it.

The black marmot covets the bipedal robot, but only in winter.

:bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sasaki: 2 (LG, Boudica)
LittleGrizzly 2 (GH, Sasaki)
Boudica: 2 (Shinsei, Askthepizzaguy)

Diana up or down vote:

Life: 1 (boudica, LG, GH, Pizza, Sasaki)
Death: 1 (Shinseikhaan)


Townies, you have a chance to take out two mafioso today. Get rid of Sasaki and Boudica. You can get rid of both by lynching Boudica.

rechecking tally, can I get an independent recheck, please?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sasaki is absolutely, unquestionably, Oswald. You must at least lynch him.

[ULC]

In my view consistency is too hard to achieve, makes you an easy target for both the town and the Mafia, and gets boring.

Embrace the chaos of inconsistency! To me, it is the only thing keeping the game fresh. I'm sick of my current model of playing though, will be changing it shortly. :bow:

It's not the model Reenk, it's the principal. I simply cannot change my style - I am sure you have noted that. Look at any game I do, the closest I came to inconsistency was in WotN :laugh4:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm going to reread Diana. Don't think she's the english godfather because that wouldn't work out with atpg etc. But if she got chosen as godfather she'd be sure to pick pizza as a grunt, and thinking about it I'm not sure LG or boudica would.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Town is so going to win this game, and with my help too. :bounce:

Sasaki has no defense! He's just trying to find the Irish Godfather! HAHAHAHAHHA!!!!


Watch him squirm!!!

[GeneralHankerchief]

I can interrogate him if you would like :wink:

Diana: I know this was a joke, but could you please follow up with this?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pizza is a WAY to cheerful.

He should not be happy with LG being one of the main contenders for lynch.

Askthepizzaguy
LittleGrizzly
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Lord Winter
serierkhaan
Diana Abnoba
boudica
El Diablo

9 alive. A tie is unlikely to happen. I believe that our godfathers can be found among three people, diana, LG, and boudica. That means, if we lynch one of them and choose death for diana, or odds go way up.

If we lynch a godfather today, then we will have six alive tomorrow--2 mafia out of 6, if we lynch a townie we lose. Killing diana would drop that to 2/5, better odds, one less suspect.

It also gives us the chance to kill both godfathers today.

unlife:diana
Death:Diana

She's a lurker, votes with pizza guy all the time anyway (and he's given up denying he's mafia), she's perhaps the only person who would choose him as a grunt, and killing her can only help our odds.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am cheerful because I was the first to expose you. :bounce:

You keep saying I don't deny it, but that's the very same thing I can say about you. As long as your entire mafia family goes down, I will chuckle with glee.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey, Sasaki:

You should have fought for Ireland!

:medievalcheers:

That would be thinking with your DIPSTICK (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jewzO6fkPDg), JIMMY!!! Scotland and Ireland, together at last!

I nudged Diana to get online. She can tell you all about me from her perspective, GeneralHankerchief.

[Diana Abnoba]

Diana: I know this was a joke, but could you please follow up with this?

It was a joke, but to tell the truth, I can't tell what pizza is doing in this game, from home activity. He is always on the computer, playing 2-3 games, hosting 2-3 games, has a heated debate going on in the backroom...I can tell you this much he seems very giddy right now. So my guess, this would be true if he were town, but you never really know with him. Is there any other way I can help? Ask.

Vote: Boudica

I am not allowed to vote to save my own life, except in the case of a tie.

If you feel that I need to be lynched, I would appreciate that it be done as a regular vote. I'm not really happy with this very unusual rule, but I'm willing to die for Ireland.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sasaki: Would YOU be willing to die for Ireland? :mellow:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, as this past explosion of posts have been going on I've been sitting mostly silent, watching as it's played out.

Right now I think Oswald and Brendan have found each other in Sasaki and ATPG, respectively. They deserve to die, yes. However, they are grunts. They are unimportant. As Pizza and Sasaki have so kindly noted in the past, it's the Godfathers that matter. If we kill the Godfathers, then they go too.

Right now, I see a connection between ATPG and two people: Diana and LittleGrizzly. I also see a connection between Sasaki and boudica. Normally I would argue against the double lynch, but in this case it's fail-safe as Diana's outcome does not affect our other targets. I am less certain about Sasaki's connection to boudica, however, since it is Sasaki after all. If he wants you to look one way, chances are he's going in the other direction. However, the connection is still there.

On the other side, ATPG's double connection is more secure since we have two possible Godfathers for him, and the opportunity to get rid of both of them. If we kill Diana and lynch LittleGrizzly, the chances are very good that we've removed the IRA threat. Eliminating one mafia faction makes the game that much more vanilla, and thus easy to decipher.

Therefore, it is my suggestion that the town kill Diana this round and lynch LittleGrizzly.

Unlife: Diana
Death: Diana

There's also the slight possibility that ATPG and Sasaki are playing us all and are on the same team, as both are capable of doing so. However, we'll deal with that if this current strategy proves to be a bust.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You want me to reveal, GH?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Do whatever you want. I'm not too concerned about you either way.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've got the perfect solution for you, GH: Lynch Boudica and Sasaki in a double lynch, and Death vote Diana.

I'll keep my vote at the ready to make sure both Boudica and Sasaki go down, and they cannot get out of it. I'd need someone else to do the same thing. Both Boudica and Sasaki must die if town has any chance of survival.

Diana requests that you don't use this Death vote against her. You can get her next round, easily.

Please. It's really an annoying rule which derailed our efforts. We may have won were it not for that rule and my foolish decision to try to save White Eyes and ACTUALLY try to get English mafia dead.

It's too late for the Irish mafia, but I delivered to you my suspects for the English mafia on a platter. It would be nice if you killed them, consider it our dying wish. You can get both of us this round, but Diana wouldn't even be under fire this round were it not for the very unusual Death vote that... well... doesn't seem right to us.

Since we are doomed, our dying request is that you destroy the English mafia.




And yes, I am Brendan, Bloody Irish Murderer extraordinaire.

Now make sure you kill Sasaki and Boudica.



We agreed before this game began, that we had little chance of winning, so the objective was to have fun and do our best. I would have been murdered tonight, and you guys would have lynched Diana soon anyway. And since the English mafia have been trying to hide from you, and you don't know who they are, it behooves you to find them. NOW.

I revealed as the Irish Godfather twice. Now I'm doing the real reveal. Brendan is a loyal patriot of Ireland, and I exposed most of the major roles in the game, and helped you solve this one. I was just roleplaying what I felt was a TRUE warrior for Ireland. We are willing to die for town. They are not. If you lynch us both next round, or Diana this round, fine. Just make sure the English go down too, that is all. Otherwise Brendan has failed in his mission.

Remember my performance this game? I played with guts and honor. Please reward me for that and KILL SASAKI AND BOUDICA!!!

[El Diablo]

Man I hate being on the other side of the world from most of you. I come in to 6 pages to catch up on.


Vote Sasaki
Death Diana

[boudica]

Well - you said it fella.

death: Diana

vote: Askthepizzaguy

[GeneralHankerchief]

That's your own fault, ATPG. I make no distinction between the IRA and the English. They're both threats that need to be removed. My primary objective in the game is to win. Removing one very large, very confusing variable immediately and significantly aids me and the rest of this town in this task.

[boudica]

That's your own fault, ATPG. I make no distinction between the IRA and the English. They're both threats that need to be removed. My primary objective in the game is to win. Removing one very large, very confusing variable immediately and significantly aids me and the rest of this town in this task.

Quite. I have no idea about Little Grizzly - I have no idea about Sasaki - but I'm not prepared to vote either of them to save my worthless butt when 'pizzaguy has just spilled the beans.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I repeat:

Diana really doesn't want to go down by this "Death" vote. It seems really unfair. Most of you don't even know why we were voting for her this round, mafia and townie alike.

Be a sport. Come on, we gave our ALL for you, and she can easily die tonight or tomorrow day.

Please. Seriously. Sasaki and Boudica, and then Diana next round. Make Diana feel welcome by releasing her from this... odd, unannounced, unprecedented rule which was the ONLY reason we got taken down.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Two things, ATPG:

1) You conveniently leave LittleGrizzly out of this little equation of yours.
2) According to the initial post, the British victory condition is to kill everyone. The IRA's victory condition is to only kill the British, while the town's victory condition is to get rid of both factions.

If the British die first, the IRA wins. They need to go first.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've said my peace regarding Diana. I guess she can deal with the "Death" vote stuff. A shame, really. But that is the one tarnish on an otherwise fun, fun, fun game for us. I won't let it spoil our enjoyment of the game, and I feel that the real IRA might have been proud of our selfless efforts to root out English scumbags. I truly got to roleplay as a member of the Irish Republican Army.

~:pimp:

And by the way, fellers... remember the Fight for Inishmore. Always, always, fight for Ireland.

When we die, you will know what to do.


_____________


GH: I did not know that. I must have overlooked it, seriously. My mistake. A shame, too. Go ahead and lynch us. But remember... the English mafia must die.

Now that everything is all out in the open, I'm lighting a cigar and saying mission nearly accomplished, and winding the doomsday clock for the English with glee.

~:pimp:

:shakehands: Good Game, Irish citizens. It is my honor to die for you. You played one heck of a game. I am honored that you guys actually let me live towards the end of the game. I am honored that you occasionally listened to my advice. I am honored that I got to battle almost all of you personally with my own personal brand of Wine In Front Of Me. I am honored that the English mafia left me alive as bait all game, which allowed me to have fun.

Well played, all three factions. But Ireland deserves to win, because Brendan got too cocky defending White_eyes, and that was my big error of the game. Otherwise, I picked out most of the major roles and I probably exposed the entire english mafia.

I delivered many a lovely (if boring, unfortunately) murder writeup, and I got to act out my most evil, evil fantasies by nearly murdering my way through an entire large game and nearly succeeding. I have no regrets, and I KNOW I had to be at least somewhat entertaining for you.

Our task was to find the English mafia. If we cannot win the game, so be it. At least we found them... I think. I am pretty sure that Sasaki is Oswald.




A round of ales on me, everyone. :medievalcheers:



By the way, LittleGrizzly is 100% innocent. Seems as though the Godfathers were both... Godmothers. Your Fairy Godmother and the Fire-Breathing Leprechaun have come to defend Ireland from English tyranny!

[boudica]

I repeat:

Diana really doesn't want to go down by this "Death" vote. It seems really unfair. Most of you don't even know why we were voting for her this round, mafia and townie alike.

Be a sport. Come on, we gave our ALL for you, and she can easily die tonight or tomorrow day.

Please. Seriously. Sasaki and Boudica, and then Diana next round. Make Diana feel welcome by releasing her from this... odd, unannounced, unprecedented rule which was the ONLY reason we got taken down.


Aside from GH's post above (which I admit - I am not entirely sure I can trust)- I've got a response to this:

1) Diana is VERY welcome to play here - just as we all are and if she doesn't want the weird death vote then I'm sure she can speak for herself

2) I'm REALLY glad that you turned out to be mafia ATPG - If you were townie I would have had to have called you out and knocked you on your butt for your contribution in getting me lynched today :laugh4:

3) Notice how I vote for you because you REVEALED YOU WERE MAFIA!

I have no certainty about anything except for that, least of all Sasaki or LG's true status. Voting you doesn't help to save me from the lynch at all, but at least - if they do lynch me - town will know which top mafia killer to do tomorrow.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I repeat:

Diana really doesn't want to go down by this "Death" vote. It seems really unfair. Most of you don't even know why we were voting for her this round, mafia and townie alike.

Be a sport. Come on, we gave our ALL for you, and she can easily die tonight or tomorrow day.

Please. Seriously. Sasaki and Boudica, and then Diana next round. Make Diana feel welcome by releasing her from this... odd, unannounced, unprecedented rule which was the ONLY reason we got taken down.

This is where your story falls apart. And by the way pizza, this is the third game in a row where you've been absolutely convinced I was mafia, and you've been wrong each time. Don't you remember the settlement, where you thought I'd converted seamus?


If you're telling the truth, then we should use the death vote on diana and lynch LG, who would have to be the English godfather.

Or, you're lying, in which case we should use the death vote on diana, and lynch LG, who would have to be the Irish godfather.

Your reveal has the ring of truth, so nicely done if it's a lie. But the part about not using the death vote points strongly towards you lying. If abnoba is innocent and LG is guilty, then lynching her tomorrow could win the game for you...it seems like your making an emotional appeal here as a tactic to keep LG alive.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yep, even if I were wrong about you, Boudica, the English mafia will die in short order. No matter what, they cannot escape now. Diana is currently writing in her own words how she feels about the death rule, as you suggest. However, I want to make it clear we already talked to pevergreen, expressed our distaste for the rule, but agreed he was the host and it was his call. As such, we prefer to end the game on our own terms, by lighting a fire underneath the English mafia and watching it burn as we head for the gallows.

We might be criminals and murderers, but we will get them English scums, if it is literally the last thing we do.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is where your story falls apart. And by the way pizza, this is the third game in a row where you've been absolutely convinced I was mafia, and you've been wrong each time. Don't you remember the settlement, where you thought I'd converted seamus?


If you're telling the truth, then we should use the death vote on diana and lynch LG, who would have to be the English godfather.

Or, you're lying, in which case we should use the death vote on diana, and lynch LG, who would have to be the Irish godfather.

Your reveal has the ring of truth, so nicely done if it's a lie. But the part about not using the death vote points strongly towards you lying. If abnoba is innocent and LG is guilty, then lynching her tomorrow could win the game for you...it seems like your making an emotional appeal here as a tactic to keep LG alive.

I already made my plea regarding the Death vote. I said my peace, as I said.

No more whining from me about it. You may do as you wish.




EDIT:

Askthepizzaguy- Claiming all the carnage that is Brendan.
LittleGrizzly- not oswald due to investigation.
GeneralHankerchief- not oswald due to investigation
Sasaki Kojiro- The only remaining suspect for Oswald.
Lord Winter- privately asked to suicide this game, Mafia mastermind, if TinCow is not lying.
serierkhaan- Heilyn
Diana Abnoba- Christy (Irish Godfather)
boudica- not oswald due to investigation.
El Diablo- not oswald due to investigation.

(If town's investigative reveal wasn't a fake)


There is only one suspect left who could be Oswald: Sasaki Kojiro.
Lord Winter could be Oswald, I suppose. But someone probably wrote the kills for him, methinks, unless Lord Winter is hiding some very impressive writing ability.

But the point is, you will know who Oswald and the English Godfather is if you lynch Sasaki and Boudica. No matter what, you will prove who Oswald is.

I am willing to take a 50/50 shot on Sasaki being Oswald, especially after Lord Winter wanted out of the game, privately, and the host responded publicly. The host is neutral and would not assist Lord Winter in hiding his identity, I suspect. If I am wrong, Sasaki and Boudica's death will prove it, and I will say well done Lord Winter.

[FactionHeir]

At least I was right about ATPG. And that the RL excuse for Diana was not a good excuse :yes: :2thumbsup:

Go town!

[Askthepizzaguy]

And at least I was right about Seamus, FactionHeir, Reenk Roink, Ituralde, Seireikhaan and probably Sasaki or Boudica or both all having roles. Brenden picks teh uber rolez without using SkyNet once.

Indeed.... go town!

At least hold a proper funeral for me, your kamikaze missile of destruction. I think I got 7 roles that were hostile to my team this game picked, exposed, lynched, or murdered.




:bow:

[Reenk Roink]

How on earth were you right about me Atpg? You thought I was Mafia...

Also, do you know how when I got my role? I got it when Psychonaut pulled out...

Let's not get cocky here Atpg, I disagree with most of your "gots" and I certainly think you didn't have the influence you feel you did. I still don't understand why you would throw away the game for your team like this, but :shrug:

edit: This does suck if we lose one Mafia group as now we will have to lynch the others by ourselves...

[Askthepizzaguy]

How on earth were you right about me Atpg? You thought I was Mafia...

Also, do you know how when I got my role? I got it when Psychonaut pulled out...

Let's not get cocky here Atpg, I disagree with most of your "gots" and I certainly think you didn't have the influence you feel you did. I still don't understand why you would throw away the game for your team like this, but :shrug:

I'm not throwing the game away for my team. I'm doing my job, exposing English mafia. I tried everything to get the town to lynch THEM first. It failed, too bad for us.

I thought you could be mafia or pro-town, as the quicktopic will reveal. I know you disagree with my gots, but I picked Seamus for the murder, I picked Ituralde for the lynch because the Irish mafia agreed (in the quicktopic) he seemed like English mafia. I picked Reenk because he probably had a role, any role, again the quicktopic will reveal it. Andres suggested seireikhaan, I was resistant to it, but I came around. I'll actually give him credit on that one, but I supported it and I did the murder. I picked FactionHeir over WhiteEyes and even asked Diana to help me lynch him. I laid all my cards on the table accusing Sasaki and Boudica.

I am not cocky, if you disagree with any of these picks, besides Seireikhaan I suppose, let me know. It's not important. FactionHeir was right about me, as were you, Reenk, and as such, I was right about the above. That's all, no biggie.



Pizza and ales for everyone, on me.

:bow:

[Reenk Roink]

I just find it bizarre that you would gloat about basically throw away your game. Yes, you were supposed to find the English Mafia, but you were also supposed to outlast the town. Why would you just settle for one? It seems certain that the English Mafia will win the game now... :wall:

And yes, if you thought I had a role, you would be wrong until about halfway in the game. I was a townie until pever asked me if I wanted to be Mairead.

I certainly am not impressed at what you did just now, I don't think you got anything "right" anymore than anyone else did, you just paved the way for an English Mafia victory. Had you stuck around and fought them, you might have had a chance and we might have had a chance. :shrug:

Ah well, I suppose it is "original" play. :laugh4:

edit: It seems IRA have to get rid of British only, but then you still fail. We are more certain about your identity, and not as certain about the English. Can you explain to me how you see this playing out that would culminate in a victory for:

1) Your team
2) The town

Because to me, you handed the English the ball and left the field...

[boudica]

And at least I was right about Seamus, FactionHeir, Reenk Roink, Ituralde, Seireikhaan and probably Sasaki or Boudica or both all having roles. Brenden picks teh uber rolez without using SkyNet once.

Indeed.... go town!

At least hold a proper funeral for me, your kamikaze missile of destruction. I think I got 7 roles that were hostile to my team this game picked, exposed, lynched, or murdered.




:bow:

I take my earlier reticence back. You have been calling out for the lynching of innocents throughout this game, which - true - is a good thing for a mafia to do, but you HAVE SOLD YOUR GODFATHER UP THE SWANNY - and given that if you ARE Irish mafia searching for English mafia you may as well have been town - you are as much use as a bloodhound with it's nose surgically implanted a yard up it's butt.

However - if this is a last desperate ruse to clinch some kind of victory I am not aware of, then I applaud you in advance... can anyone tell I've been drinking?

*holds hands up for moderator cuffs*

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just find it bizarre that you would gloat about basically throw away your game. Yes, you were supposed to find the English Mafia, but you were also supposed to outlast the town. Why would you just settle for one? It seems certain that the English Mafia will win the game now... :wall:

And yes, if you thought I had a role, you would be wrong until about halfway in the game. I was a townie until pever asked me if I wanted to be Mairead.

I certainly am not impressed at what you did just now, I don't think you got anything "right" anymore than anyone else did, you just paved the way for an English Mafia victory. Had you stuck around and fought them, you might have had a chance and we might have had a chance. :shrug:

Ah well, I suppose it is "original" play. :laugh4:

edit: It seems IRA have to get rid of British only, but then you still fail. We are more certain about your identity, and not as certain about the English. Can you explain to me how you see this playing out that would culminate in a victory for:

1) Your team
2) The town

Because to me, you handed the English the ball and left the field...

I don't expect, nor do I need, to convince you Reenk.

We tried to get them killed first, by asking for Diana to survive one round. Had you listened, we would have won. This was our best chance and I took it.

And yeah, it didn't work... it happens. And I am entitled to roleplay as an Irish patriot as I did all game, because I truly wanted to win, but I also didn't want to lose to the English mafia. Early on in the quicktopic, or midway through, I state if we lose, I'd rather lose to town than our hated rivals the English.

I did my best, sorry. And failing my objectives, I handed town the keys to destroying the English, or who I suspected they were, given my unique perspective as anti-English, and mafia.


I am glad you found it entertaining, which was also a primary goal of mine. I wanted to have FUN this time, and by Jimmy McJolty, I sure did. Winning isn't everything, and after I tried my BEST to win, I am now trying my best to have fun while helping town win.

[boudica]

Holds hands to face in advanced embarrassment :embarassed:that i shall feel tomorrow about the above post, but am now too drunk to stop giggling :laugh4:

:inquisitive:

So who is the English mafia again?

[Diana Abnoba]

I didn't want to bring this up in the thread, as not to sway people's decision, but I'm very ticked at the separate death vote on me. This is from the WE and FH lynch from last day phase. I got back on the computer after pizza's prompt, and read that WE had voted himself to be lynched. I thought as I posted, that he may be town and changed my vote to FH. It was still early enough for WE or FH to change their vote also,but they didn't. Also 5 of you didn't even vote at all! And I'm called the lurker! So when the round ended I was one of the last people to change their vote, and it ended in a tie. So Pever lynched both and put me up as bait for the tie. I would not have been quite as ticked if we knew the rule beforehand, or more people had voted to start with. I didn't want to go out like this. A regular vote to lynch fine but not this way in on a technicality.

Pizza, Andres and I have all game tried to get the English mafia. And I believe pizza was trying to save me too today,and get English mafia at the same time. Unfortunately we went down first. Frustrating to be so close.

This has been such a challenge for me, being my first game, and getting the role PM of Godfather. I almost had a heart attack that first night. It was no lie that I can't type fast at all( this took me sooo long to type), and I am not computer savvy at all. So I would like to add a special thanks to pizza for having some patience with me, when it came to this. I know it was a pain at times with all he has going on at this site. It was also hard to try and learn this game with so much on the line (2 other players would be out if I messed up), and didn't know the rest of you and what your "normal" play was.

Well it has been an adventure that is for sure, hope to play again with all of you.
*That is after I learn a little more how to work the computer with pizza's help.*
(I have had some experience with the computer, but no one to really teach me all about it, and now I do).


..........FOR THE LOVE OF IRELAND!!! ( by the way I am part Irish!) :medievalcheers:

[LittleGrizzly]

So ATPG reveals himself as scum and im supposedly the person to lynch... is someone purposefully extending a line up of lynches where we don't look at other suspects ? hmm... Sasaki..? GH may be linked with Sasaki...

By the way people my offer still stands, if Sasaki does not come out as guilty then i will place the first vote on myself...and keep it there unless people are really sure we have scum rival for my lynch...

The one time i defend ATPG from a stupid lynch and he's bloody guilty... typical... in my defence i defended Reenk for exactly the same reason... and taka....

The reason being they were being lynched for silly reasons...

We must get rid of Irish mafia in one turn so we have plenty of time to get english mafia

Unvote Sasaki
Vote ATPG

Death Diana

Im not sure how many rounds we have left if we kill both of these 2.... how many english left ?

We need to return to the suspect Sasaki after this round, ohh and by the by... won't we be able to confirm all the Irish mafia are dead thus making it impossible for me to be the godfather if ATPG and Diana are confirmed, or is there still another one left after that?

The question mark indicates im looking for an answer rather than hinting at things....

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tally:


Boudica: 3 (Shinseikhaan, Askthepizzaguy, Diana Abnoba)
LittleGrizzly: 2 (GH, Sasaki)
ATPG: 2 (boudica, LG)
Sasaki: 1 (El Diablo)


Diana up or down vote:


Life: 1 (Pizza)
Death: 6 (Shinseikhaan, Sasaki, GH, boudica, LG, El Diablo)



Please recheck my tallies.

[LittleGrizzly]

missing my death diana vote...

BTW next time im jumping straight on the pizza bandwagon... have made me look like complete scum!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would hope that next time, I get a fresh start and am treated like every other player, as is my policy for all of you.

Don't carry grudges from one game to another, please.

[LittleGrizzly]

Ok i have a great way to prove my innocence and Sasaki's guilt at the same time!!

If diana is telling the truth about being the godfather then pizza will die because hes a henchman (con someone confirm this part for me ?) thus proving... combined with my innocent result that i am not the godfather or scum at all! at least not irish godfather anyway... which is the accusation sasaki has been throwing on me all game!

With me proven innocent we can lynch sasaki who has been off most of the game and is quite probably scum...

Unvote ATPG
Vote Sasaki

In the interests of disclosure ATPG pm'd this to me

Hey, please vote for Boudica. I die when Diana dies, trust me.


You get boudica, Diana, and you get me and Sasaki in one fell swoop. Throw me a bone, and you win.

Im unsure Boudica is mafia... im more sure on sasaki, aslong as ATPG is truthful about dieing when his gdfather dies, the plan seems fool proof... im sure some of the more scummier players may have issue with it*


*that is unless we cant confirm atpg dies, in which case my plan is flawed...

Edit: ATPG i was joking... i will be more hesitant to defend you in future though... due to you big shiny diamond ones... ~;)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sasaki or boudica is fine.

Either way.



edit: I am a henchman... because most of the people in the game have been cleared of being henchman by investigation or murder attempts, all except me, Diana, Sasaki, and Lord Winter.

I claim Brendan, Diana claims Christy. Sasaki claims to be "innocent" and Lord Winter tried to suicide.

[LittleGrizzly]

Does that beyond all doubt (once your confirmed by write up) mean all IRA charaters are dead ?

And why the hell was Andres accussing me of being the godfather ?!

[El Diablo]

It did say in the rules at the start that henchmen die when the godfather is killed.

also

Diana - death

Not sure if mine was counted.

[LittleGrizzly]

It did say in the rules at the start that henchmen die when the godfather is killed.

There you go people a clear way to prove im not the irish godfather without killing me... what excuse is there not to take it ?

Apart of course from being english mafia and wanting the town to waste a lynch on an innocent!

[Reenk Roink]

We need to tread very carefully to pull this off. Of course, there is plenty of good info in Atpg's posts, but reflecting on it, I believe he has twisted, added, or omitted some info to give his team a shot.

Tie up on Sasaki and boudica, hopefully they both are lynched. Obv Diana needs to go. Now what to do about Atpg? And what of LG and GH?

God this is a tricky situation... :wall:

I certainly hope that Atpg is right about Sasaki, but in case he isn't, we are pretty much boned.

edit: Atpg, why not vote Sasaki and make it a 4 way tie?

edit, edit: Read Diana's post, sorry if I misunderstood your situation Atpg. I still don't understand the gloating, but I don't think you were throwing away the game. :bow: Just the last page was REALLY confusing and tough to swallow for a bit.

[LittleGrizzly]

Now what to do about Atpg?

The way i see it... if ATPG survives because diana is not godfather we wont let him survive another round anyway... it is hard to see how they could sacrifice two players and win... is Andres confirmed IRA ?

If andres is confirmed IRA then there can only be two IRA left and i don't see why a non ira would confess to being one... thus atpg and diana must be the remaing IRA (assuming they can't recruit) so i dont see why they would reveal and lie about diana being the godfathermother

Im wary of GH but i find him very hard to read... doesn't seem to give off much signals...

[boudica]

At this point I wish I'd served town better. Meh - and again I say Meh! Meh! I say!. Despite my poor and somewhat confused/confusing play - You all deserve whatever's coming to you. Unvote: ATPG vote: Sasaki You know I would have drunken myself to death in an earlier round if I'd been allowed.

[seireikhaan]

However, due to the inspiration this game comes from, as well as the epic games of Silver Rusher and Seamus, this game also uses the Godfather mechanic. If the "Godfather" is lynched or killed that "mafia family" will cease to exist, the remaining players, if any, attempt to flee the island and drown.
Looks like there's going to be some soggy pizza.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Guys.


I want the confusion of the past pages to disappear. I am exposed, admitted scum. Listen to me objectively for one moment.



1. I admitted my guilt. Only a mafia would do that.
2. Diana admitted hers. We are Irish mafia. Period.
3. That means ONLY Sasaki or Lord Winter are Oswald, assuming you weren't lying to us, town, about your investigations.
4. Look at Sasaki's behavior all game, and his lack of defense that he's Oswald. He just wants us to die.
5. Boudica is not herself, and boudica lurks and plays innocent all game, and then at the end all of a sudden knows who to vote for. It was all an act.
6. Diana dies, I die. Or you lynch me as the "Godfather" next round, which I am so NOT.
7. Kill Sasaki.
8. Kill Sasaki.
9. Kill Sasaki.
10. LG can die next round if I am lying about who I am or who Diana is. We aren't.
11. Sasaki's death will prove that he is Oswald, or Lord Winter is.
12. Boudica can be easily lynched at any time, too. You outnumber them.



I gave you everything you need to solve the case. Throw me one bone and lynch Sasaki or boudica this round. I offer mine and Diana's vote on anyone in the game; you pick. But I choose Sasaki or Boudica. Lynch Boudica. Or Lynch Sasaki.



Now, think about it, I am scum yes, but myself and Diana admitted it, and Andres was our third. LittleGrizzly is NOT Irish mafia. LG could only be English mafia, and Sasaki or Boudica's death should prove which.

[El Diablo]

The only thing that I can think that ATPG maybe trying to do is that HE is the godfather and Diana is the henchwoman.

Either way he dies next after the lynch right?

As for tieing things up our host may not want to lynch either of them and then we may run out of time.

As I see it now...

Boudica: 4 (Shinseikhaan, Askthepizzaguy, Diana Abnoba, El Diablo)
LittleGrizzly: 2 (GH, Sasaki)
Sasaki: 2 (LG, boudica)

Life: 1 (Pizza)
Death: 6 (Shinseikhaan, Sasaki, GH, boudica, LG, El Diablo)

I belive that Diana and ATPG are the remains of the IRA. They will hopefully be destroyed with the death of Diana.

The remaining votes are for Sasaki, LG and Boudica.
The IRA are after Boudica, with Shinseikhaan.
Sasaki and LG are claiming that the other is the godfather.
Boudica has the sole vote on ATPG.

Are we assuming that the English mafia have two henchmen and the gf left?
Could this be Boudica, GF with LG and Sasaki as henchmen?
Thus I say we take out Diana - hopefully killing the IRA off - if not then ATPG will have to kill the english to even hope to win. the ones wanting the English mafia the most would the IRA and so...

Unvote Sasaki vote Boudica

[Diana Abnoba]

Guys, I understand why you don't trust pizza, but I have never lied to you. I am Godfather and when I die so does pizza. So kill me and take out Sasaki or boudica all in this round. I am almost certain that Sasaki is mafia but not sure he is Godfather. Boudica was investigated, so this means she could be Godfather or town. I don't think LG is mafia or GH is either, but could be wrong. I will change my vote to anyone you pick, or we can make another tie(just make sure that it is one of us (me or pizza) that makes the last vote). You don't need another death vote tomorrow. :idea2:

[El Diablo]

ATPG why are you voting on boudica rather than sasaki then?

[boudica]

Guys, I understand why you don't trust pizza, but I have never lied to you. I am Godfather and when I die so does pizza. So kill me and take out Sasaki or boudica all in this round. I am almost certain that Sasaki is mafia but not sure he is Godfather. Boudica was investigated, so this means she could be Godfather or town. I don't think LG is mafia or GH is either, but could be wrong. I will change my vote to anyone you pick, or we can make another tie(just make sure that it is one of us (me or pizza) that makes the last vote). You don't need another death vote tomorrow. :idea2:

Hey Diana - you're not too sure about too much there are ya? :laugh4: believe me I know how you feel - this game is nasty

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tally.... according to mine and El Diablo's:


Boudica: 4 (Shinseikhaan, Askthepizzaguy, Diana Abnoba, El Diablo)
LittleGrizzly: 2 (GH, Sasaki)
ATPG: 1 (boudica)
Sasaki: 1 (LG)

Life: 1 (Pizza)
Death: 6 (Shinseikhaan, Sasaki, GH, boudica, LG, El Diablo)




@El Diablo

I believe that Oswald is the henchman, Sasaki.

I'll vote Sasaki and Diana will as well, just say the word. Throw me a bone and trust me on Sasaki being henchman... FIND THE GODFATHER. Boudica is my top pick, LittleGrizzly maybe next, but doubtful.

[LittleGrizzly]

I would just like to remind everyone i also have a innocent result on me and thus can only be the godfather if i am scum

EL Diablo this blows your me boudica and sasaki theory out the water... but trust me i wouldn't campign so damn hard for my henchmans lynching... i could have easily given up a few rounds ago and have solid proof that i went for sasaki consistently... why would i keep trying so hard round after round ?

Boudica could be Sasaki's godfather... perhaps with GH ?

Im worried about tieing sasaki with boudica... perhaps we should have sasaki in the lead to ensure his buddies cant save him ?

[boudica]

Tally.... according to mine and El Diablo's:






@El Diablo

I believe that Oswald is the henchman, Sasaki.

I'll vote Sasaki and Diana will as well, just say the word. Throw me a bone and trust me on Sasaki being henchman... FIND THE GODFATHER. Boudica is my top pick, LittleGrizzly maybe next, but doubtful.

your tallys is incorrect - I voted Sasaki. Pevergreen - you've got your work cut out with this one :yes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Diana Abnoba: Irish Godfather/Christy
Andres: Joey (Henchman)
Askthepizzaguy: Brendan (Henchman)

Seamus: Donney (Investigator)
FactionHeir: Davey (Roleblocker?)
Reenk Roink: Mairead (Defender)

Shinseikhaan: Heilyn (Neutral)
A Very Super Market: Padraic (Serial Killer)

Boudica: Suspected English Godfather/Unknown name
Ituralde: Mike Fingers (Henchman)
Sasaki Kojiro or Lord Winter: Oswald (Henchman)




For reference. Sasaki is 90% certain, Boudica is a judgment call. She's not townie boudica, IMO.

[Askthepizzaguy]

your tallys is incorrect - I voted Sasaki. Pevergreen - you've got your work cut out with this one :yes:
Boudica: 4 (Shinseikhaan, Askthepizzaguy, Diana Abnoba, El Diablo)
LittleGrizzly: 2 (GH, Sasaki)
Sasaki: 2 (LG, Boudica)

Life: 1 (Pizza)
Death: 6 (Shinseikhaan, Sasaki, GH, boudica, LG, El Diablo)

If people besides me would do tallies, (thanks El Diablo and Seamus, for example) then we wouldn't have this problem. But I thank you for re-checking my tally as I asked. Maybe that was the reason I murdered everyone.... do some more tallies, people.





:bow:

[boudica]

For reference. Sasaki is 90% certain, Boudica is a judgment call. She's not townie boudica, IMO.

How long must I listen to the deluded rantings of a mafia :daisy:? Get those bits of cashew and milk from out your teeth and take a chance on the bet that you're wrong.

[Yoyoma1910]

your tallys is incorrect - I voted Sasaki. Pevergreen - you've got your work cut out with this one :yes:

:7detective:

Mon dieu seigneur! Boudica, what has happened to your perfectly-super-fantastic grammar!

[El Diablo]

LG - lets use the IRA to our advantage then their votes wont change and the English wont have enough numbers to dump on another victum.
Vote Boudica and if she is only a henchwoman we will look futher.
Sakasi or LW next round?

[boudica]

:7detective:

Mon dieu seigneur! Boudica, what has happened to your perfectly-super-fantastic grammar!

I is drunked

[Askthepizzaguy]

Boudica CANNOT be a henchwoman, she was investigated.

[boudica]

Boudica CANNOT be a henchwoman, she was investigated.

I'm town you admitted mafia fool. Please just someone lynch me while I sleep. You won't have to hear from me (in this thread :P)again.

[LittleGrizzly]

Boudica cannot be henchwoman she has innocent result.. shes godmother or innocent...

I have 2 problems with tieing it up

1) sasaki's buddy(ies) could come on and change the tie...
2) we cannot now what happens in a tie... if pever decides to release them all the english mafia get a night to kill without a lynch possibly happening to them... if he is doing it in turns then it is the no lynch turn this time... (unless theres a third option like random choice)

Also im not entirely convinced on Boudica... alot of here reasoning made sense to me and even some of it was understandable... i too was distracted by another game until i died in that game and wasn't paying a great deal of attention to this game...

though of course it could be lies i don't personally suspect her...

Edit: i would like to point out that despite going tor boudica meaning im further away from the lynch i would rather risk myself and vote for who i think is most likely mafia...

[Diana Abnoba]

I is drunked

I think I will join you for a drink myself, after all this. :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

How sweet it would be for town if 4 mafioso died tonight... and if you only get 3.... just one left to catch! The IRA are your humble servants. When we signed up for this job, we knew it could end in our deaths. Our two votes are your two votes, and rest assured.... we will get them scumbags.




And English guys: One last round before we all die? :medievalcheers:

We have the voting power, right here right now, to stop Diana's death, and yours. But you never reached out to us... and that is why you must die. If we go down, you come with us. That is the way of evil criminals. We betray one another... and that is why the civilized world will go on.



~:pimp:

[Yoyoma1910]

I is drunked

:beatnik:


My dear lady, that is one of the prerequisites for good writing, not an excuse for poor penmanship.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

....and the welsh are british I believe.

Sasaki:

We need to get you over to Harlech. I want you to say that phrase out loud some Friday evening in one of the local pubs down near the water.

But give us a few minutes to get bets down on how far you get from where you say that line to the door before you get clobbered. :devilish: :laugh4: :laugh4:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Just completed my scan of the thread.

Overall, I am not happy.

Either we have an elaborate double blind by Pizza and Diana :inquisitive: -- which seems unlikely -- or we have a sort of collective "sour grapes" non finish. :shame: Perhaps I am mis-interpreting as I did read quickly.

Andres never stopped playing to win, acknowledging his death as an inconvenience and moving forward. He was hammering at the other mafia, hoping that by taking them out relatively quickly, his team would still be in a position to try for the win. Kudos to him.

In the hope that this IS an elaborate attempt at double blind tomfoolery....

Remaining Players:

Askthepizzaguy- claims mafia grunt
LittleGrizzly- investigated as "innocent"
GeneralHankerchief- investigated as "innocent"
Sasaki Kojiro- no inv data
Lord Winter- no inv data
'khaan- Heilyn, immune to (at least) one night kill
Diana Abnoba- outed as mafia GF, confirmed claim
boudica- investigated as "innocent"
El Diablo- investigated as "innocent"

By my count, we have 4 mafiosi remaining, 1 "neutral" and 4 townies.

lyncing ANYONE save 'khaan gives the town one chance in 4 of killing a GF and a 50/50 shot at killing some mafioso. This is important as the town has little in the way of numbers.

I cannot concieve of any reason why pizza would claim mafioso status unless he were, so I would -- if I could -- vote: pizza.

My other sneaking suspicions were Sasaki (no results due to death) and Winter, with Winter 3rd on the sasaki, pizza, winter list in my head.

I would argue AGAINST ties and in favor of one person being lynched -- pizza -- in order to force the mafia numbers down.

I dislike the live/die vote thing as a tool. Obviously, based on her admission (real or not) the tactically correct vote is for death. Let me stress again, I do NOT like or even completely understand the sidebar vote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No "sour grapes" Seamus, we tried to win. We win if the English mafia go down.

Everything we did made sense, even if it blew your minds.

And I dislike the sidebar vote as well, for obvious reasons.

[pevergreen]

The 'side' vote was always going to be in there. It had to fall to someone. The person that caused the tie was lynched, so the 'side' vote fell to the next in line, Diana. As it always was going to be.

As for tie lynch mechanics, the idea is you don't know whats going to happen. The first one was a no lynch, this latest one was a double with punishment. The next one (if there is one) well :shrug: I can't reveal that.

[LittleGrizzly]

The sidebar vote enables us to remove irish mafia whilst still lynching english mafia!!

No offense an all...

Remaining Players:

Askthepizzaguy- claims mafia grunt
LittleGrizzly- investigated as "innocent"
GeneralHankerchief- investigated as "innocent"
Sasaki Kojiro- no inv data
Lord Winter- no inv data
'khaan- Heilyn, immune to (at least) one night kill
Diana Abnoba- outed as mafia GF, confirmed claim
boudica- investigated as "innocent"
El Diablo- investigated as "innocent"

Assuming Sasaki is a henchman who out of those players hasn't he tried to get lynched ?

El Diablo (Quiet) GH (hard to read) LordWinter (not sure what to write here)

though he didn't go after boudica as hard as he went for me... how did he vote whilst boudica was close to the lynch ?

Edit: don't think we should go for the tie!!

essential to kill at least an english henchman tonight imo...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Do the English mafia win outright if they eliminate us?

If you want to make sure you hit a mafia, lynch Sasaki. No double lynch, boudica survives.

[ULC]

This borders on hilarious. I find it strange that the IRA had a similair role to my Operatives in Dark Vacuum - essentially vigilantes you had to lynch. Glad I was at leats working with the right Dark Side - they had cookies too.

[LittleGrizzly]

Only if they outnumber the town do they win, at least if we get henchman tonight we keep thier numbers down...

One english henchman has already died ?

[ULC]

Yes, the same English :daisy: who killed me - on the following day no less! Shows you how good those English are at anything!

[LittleGrizzly]

Good then aslong as sasaki is the henchman we are down to just the godfather

[A Very Super Market]

And Padraic lies in his coffin, blindly trying to escape and take part in this game... :P

[pevergreen]

Do the English mafia win outright if they eliminate us?

If you want to make sure you hit a mafia, lynch Sasaki. No double lynch, boudica survives.

Both mafia families have to kill the opposing family and outnumber the town.

[Beefy187]

And Padraic lies in his coffin, blindly trying to escape and take part in this game... :P

Beefy drops a magic potion from heaven. Padraic comes back to life.

Mafias spots Padraic.. Padraic goes back in to his coffin and pretends that his dead.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Should be an easy task from this point on, even if you don't double lynch.

I'll be in MacDougal's buying everyone a pint and trying to stab people in the neck.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Lord Winter- privately asked to suicide this game, Mafia mastermind, if TinCow is not lying.

:laugh4:

****

I don't buy pizza's reveal. I don't think he would just ditch his family like that. Pizza could be the real godfather, or LG. Pizza's begging that we not use the death vote on diana and vote her tomorrow instead is just too suspicious.


If you want to make sure you hit a mafia, lynch Sasaki.

What is this? You're the one claiming to be mafia. And LG is none to keen on you being lynched I see. You said yourself I wasn't 100% mafia.

The best move is to lynch one of pizza and LG.

[Askthepizzaguy]

*yawns at Sasaki*

You're the only one left who can be Oswald. They already know we are mafia, so the next step is to find your family. It's either you or Lord Winter, who asked to leave the game.

You don't have to believe me, Sasaki. I wasn't really directing it at you... I was letting the town see that you're just trying to deceive them.

Irish mafia lost a member, Andres. Then Diana and I revealed. That's all 3 of us. LG is not our Godfather... and you're the only one who can be Oswald besides Lord Winter. You can squirm all you like; it's time to die.

:medievalcheers:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You're the only one left who can be Oswald.

...

It's either you or Lord Winter




Sasaki is 90% certain,


yes, I'm scum

:coffeenews:

Are you saying it's impossible that you're the godfather and Diana is the henchman?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Pizza and Diana, I'd like to see your full role PMs please.

[Lord Winter]

AtPG is more then capable of throwing his team under the bus. He admitted to doing it in Prometheus. I don't have any reason to doubt it, and killing Diana will not hurt us with the separate vote. If we assume that Pizza is telling the truth then we can narrow down the suspects to Sasski on the grunt side (assuming I'm innocent). However, since we have limited lynches let we shouldn't act on this. However, if we assume Sasski is guilty then we can also realize that LG is also innocent. I've read over Boucida's post and the cases against her, but I don't think she's guilty, I would call her an innocent townie. Now, I have reached logic's limit for the time I have now. If the game continues, I'll do a through reread keeping all this in mind. However, I don't have that time this round, I've already spent an hour and a half catching up. So for now we leave the path of logic and start with instinct. GH does not seem guilty so far, actually to be fair I don't have enough information to make that call but once again I'm going to ignore him as a suspect. I believe 'khans reveal, also a instinct call. My vote is going to have to go with El Diablo this round. He seems to have laid low and like someone mentioned (forgot who), he seems to have been distancing himself from Sasski. Also he's an older player, who would know Saski's skills, while not knowing much about many others.

Vote: El Diablo
Kill: Diana

[Askthepizzaguy]

:coffeenews:

Are you saying it's impossible that you're the godfather and Diana is the henchman?

I really, really appreciate the compliment. :2thumbsup:

They are not made of solid diamond, but thank you. :bow:



Pizza and Diana, I'd like to see your full role PMs please.

I can't send you hers, I asked her to check her inbox to see if she still has it, but she has the unfortunate habit of deleting stuff. Here is mine.

=======From my PM file dump for 3-20.

From : pevergreen
To : Andres, Askthepizzaguy
Date : 2009-03-16 22:56
Title : The Fight for Inishmore!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello Andres and ATPG. :bow:

You have been selected as the IRA "grunts" by your Godfathermother, Diana Abnoba.


As a duo, you get single kill per night phase. It is up to one of you to write that kill up and send it to me. It may only feature one person in it, they will also be named. To that end Andres, your name is Joey and ATPG, your name is James.

If one of you dies, the other shall continue with one kill per night. If Diana Abnoba dies, you both will try to escape Inishmore, resulting in your death. Keep her alive at all costs.

To win, defeat the English and outnumber the town.

Good luck.
:bow:
pevergreen

[Yoyoma1910]

What do you think Sasaki, does that look forged?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Boudica: 4 (Shinseikhaan, Askthepizzaguy, Diana Abnoba, El Diablo)
LittleGrizzly: 2 (GH, Sasaki)
Sasaki: 2 (LG, Boudica)
El Diablo: 1 (Lord Winter)

Life: 1 (Pizza)
Death: 6 (Shinseikhaan, Sasaki, GH, boudica, LG, El Diablo, Lord Winter)

Tally.




@Yoyoma1910:

What do you think he'll say? He's OSWALD.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And oh yeah, funny story... pevergreen told me originally my name was James. Later he told me he screwed up and it was actually Brendan. So I asked him if there was even a "James" in the game and he said no.


So I told YLC that my name was James and I was a roleblocker, to see if he would kill me. :yes:

[Yoyoma1910]

Well, I guess likely nothing now.


Remind me never to take you fishing. ~;p

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not bad for a bold little suicidal henchman. If I had gotten murdered at any time, there were a select few who thought I was James the roleblocker, and they would have been a target.

And even better, I now had allies/friends who I could manipulate. In the end, it would have exposed me as a henchman anyway, but I think YLC forgot and could not conclusively nail me down.

[Yoyoma1910]

I'm kind of upset the town didn't lynch you the round after me.


I didn't pull that stunt for my own health.


Edit:

You play good Pizza, but your poker face still has a couple of twitches.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just some commentary-

I can't wait until this game is over... there are quite a few "other" PMs I want to show you. Entertaining stuff. Beefy187, do you remember my lovely interrogation? Hilarious in retrospect because I was the scumbag, not you. I had an entire fake conversation with Diana Abnoba via PM to make it seem like I was manipulating her (distancing tactic) and an even longer, faker conversation where I hint to Andres that I just might be James, the roleblocker, without actually saying so, and I ask him who he considered suspicious, and he replied in skeptical fashion, of course... then there was a nice big "gap" where he was "at carnaval" and when he came back, he would "put two and two together" and see that there probably was no James and we needed to get rid of me.

I had pages of just plain fake conversations that never actually happened, except in staged fashion between myself and the people in question.

@Yoyoma1910
I was actually quite surprised I got away with all the stuff I did. Honestly, I broke just about every rule in my "SkyNet" no-no list. Voting for myself, defending others, breaking ties just before the deadline, and so on. One of my big big tells, "PM subterfuge" was basically all I did all game. Talking to everyone privately, not caring whether or not it was a scummy move to do so. I had used PM/out-of-thread subterfuge in every game that I was mafia in, too, so doing it again would only be much, much more dangerous as it fit the general pattern. The "fake role reveal" was another one, even if I only ever hinted I was "James". Worst of all was my asking that boudica not be lynched when we were tied. That kind of WIFOM is the stuff you'd expect from a mafioso trying to label himself "innocent" and avoid investigation.

I also operated under the assumption I had already been investigated. I was actually planning on accusing Diana Abnoba either this round or next... and see if that would result in the opposite effect.
I have a lot to say for the post-game discussion; I wanted to create a very deep illusion for this game that, even if it got exposed, would at least get brownie points for creativity. Please don't mistake this as gloating or ego stroking. I was trying to pull out all the stops and actually win this one, but the "Death" side-vote rule and Seireikhaan's vote, plus the other votes going towards Diana... it was a bit too late, I had to do something to try to get the English mafia dead first. I originally planned on only revealing myself, but since that wasn't saving Diana at all, and I was hoping that if I pointed the finger directly at her, the WIFOM would be too great.

At every point, I felt what I was doing gave us yet another chance of survival... even if it seemed too suicidal. Even Sasaki didn't think it was Diana for quite a while... still probably thinks it's LittleGrizzly. Now he thinks I am the Godfather, which is... quite an honor.


Edit:

You play good Pizza, but your poker face still has a couple of twitches.

And yeah... but it was good enough to get us both all the way through the game, and were it not for the "Death" vote, there is a chance we could have escaped the game. Maybe not a guarantee, but I think there was a good chance.

I will never be able to do this again, by the way. It was all or nothing for this game. You will never fall for anything like this again. As such, I can never vote for myself or do any of my scumtells this game, because they almost worked.

[Yoyoma1910]

Yeah... I didn't quite get that whole "Carnival" thing... since Mardi Gras was Feb. 24th.


But I decided this game I was just going to play more like a wild life documentarian, and see what the wilds bring forth.

[Andres]

Apparently, the IRA confessed... Oh well, better luck next time :shrug:

That'll teach me, working out, then watching Temptation Island and sleeping instead of paying attention to the game :whip:

Prediction:

GH : English godfather -> A) manipulated Seamus, B) the choice of Ituralde as grunt, would make perfect sense: 1) Ituralde made his comeback after long absence and wouldn't draw much suspicion; 2) they know each other from LoTR/KoTR ; 3) I wouldn't be too surprised if it were GH who suggested to investigate Ituralde and then gave him up (queen's gambit?).

Remaining English Grunt: Sasaki or boudica, I'm more thinking Sasaki : did not get investigated, probably because GH manipulated Seamus as such.

Good luck town and English mafia.

Good game, town :2thumbsup:

:bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

And so the round is almost over. :medievalcheers:

For God and Country.

[Diana Abnoba]

Unvote:boudica

Vote:sasaki

[Askthepizzaguy]

Checking time.

[Andres]

Yeah... I didn't quite get that whole "Carnival" thing... since Mardi Gras was Feb. 24th.


But I decided this game I was just going to play more like a wild life documentarian, and see what the wilds bring forth.

In Halle (my home town) carnaval was on the 21-22-23 of March :bow: It's tradition to have it between Ashwednesday and Easter.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What do you think Sasaki, does that look forged?

You think it would be hard to switch the names?

unvote:LittleGrizzly
Vote:boudica

[Askthepizzaguy]

Too late.


Sasaki: English mafia.

:bow:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Too late.



Thanks. So to be exact, if the vote is at 5:59 your time it counts but at 6:00 it doesn't?

Sasaki
6:01 or later not counted.

:bounce:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ah, yes, but Sasaki: This proves you're Oswald.

And if boudica is innocent, that leaves not too many suspects left.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If boudica is the english godfather I expect I'll be cleared.

Now, where was that quote where you agreed with me that voting in self preservation was the right move as town?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Alive:

LittleGrizzly
GeneralHankerchief
El Diablo
Lord Winter
Sasaki Kojiro- Oswald
serierkhaan- Heilyn (neutral?)

After one murder....

2 English mafia remain
4 townie-ish players

[boudica]

Tally


Boudica: 4 (Shinseikhaan, Askthepizzaguy, El Diablo, Sasaki)
Sasaki: 3 (LG, Boudica, Diana Abnoba)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (GH)
El Diablo: 1 (Lord Winter)

Life: 1 (Pizza)
Death: 6 (Shinseikhaan, Sasaki, GH, boudica, LG, El Diablo, Lord Winter)

Well Sasaki has gone for his own survival - given up on LG and voted for me - bad for town, but fine with me if he's town - BAAAD for town if he isn't.

I don't recommend anyone making it a tie, but I'd ask anyone left voting for me to switch their vote to Sasaki now.

I'd vote for him now if I hadn't already. :beam:

Pevergreen - I just took the tally from the last one posted, it should really be double checked as there have been mistakes this round and I am notoriously bad at getting them right myself even when I DO check (sorry)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hmm let me check the math again;

Alive: 9 players

Askthepizzaguy
LittleGrizzly
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Lord Winter
serierkhaan
Diana Abnoba
boudica
El Diablo

lynch: boudica, Diana, Askthepizzaguy

6 players....

1 murder....

5 players, 2 of whom are english mafia.

lynch Sasaki, 4 players, 1 of whom is english mafia.

1 murder, 3 players, 1 of whom is english mafia.

Final round should be:

English Godfather, Townie, Townie.



Is this correct? please recheck my mafia math.

[LittleGrizzly]

Pizza math seems right... except it is sasaki we should lynch today

What is this? You're the one claiming to be mafia. And LG is none to keen on you being lynched I see. You said yourself I wasn't 100% mafia.

The best move is to lynch one of pizza and LG

Your entire case all game of me being the irish godfather has just literally been blown apart, even if i were godfather, one irish family (ATPG) doesn't die it would basically prove my guilt... but this is the bit you are worried about... if diana does die and irish family dissappear my innocence (or innocence of english godfather role) is assured... and your guilt all the more obvious!

Sasaki should be the lynch this round... then we need to look at people like GH El Diablo (it was me who mentioned him lord winter) and there was someone else in my list... can't remember now...

Pizza and Diana, I'd like to see your full role PMs please.

Posted by GH, despite all evidence to the contary... and the fact it would be complete suicide for me to do what i have done if pizza and diana arent irish mafia... despite the fact i have an innocent result on me...

GH decides to follow sasaki and back up his vote on me... is this the turn the english mafia thought they would be able to lynch me...?

El Diablo... quiet all game... in pm convo refuses to change vote from Boudica to Sasaki...

Sasaki is priority lynch as im almost sure he's a henchman... then i think GH should be looked at before El Diablo...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pizza math seems right... except it is sasaki we should lynch today

What is this? You're the one claiming to be mafia. And LG is none to keen on you being lynched I see. You said yourself I wasn't 100% mafia.

The best move is to lynch one of pizza and LG

Your entire case all game of me being the irish godfather has just literally been blown apart, even if i were godfather, one irish family (ATPG) doesn't die it would basically prove my guilt... but this is the bit you are worried about... if diana does die and irish family dissappear my innocence (or innocence of english godfather role) is assured... and your guilt all the more obvious!



This is blatantly false grizz. Aside from connection you tangentially with the two blind mice gimmick and with pizza guy, the basis of my accusation has never been that you were the Irish godfather. I've said many times today that you could be the english godfather. You just love claiming that atpg turning up guilty means you must be innocent, don't you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Rule 1 : Sasaki is always guilty
Rule 2 : Vote:Sasaki

[pevergreen]

The gong rung. Time was up. Diana Abnoba was crestfallen. The vote for his lynch was...ghey. But his fate was up. With one last look at Askthepizzaguy he made his way to the gallows. The noose slipped round his neck and was tightened. Was this how it was to end? Was this how years of english opression continued? It should not be, it could not be! With a yell, he pulled off his eye patch and yelled "Damn you Padraic! You died too easily. I never got my revenge. Run Brendan!"

As if it was a command, Askthepizzaguy took off, running out of the square. "I'll carry on without you Christy."

Christy jumped off the gallows, breaking his neck.

Boudica looked around, somewhat startled. Everyone seemed to have forgotten she was there.
She simply tiptoed her way out of town, never to be seen again.

*******

A few hours later the body of Brendan was found on the beach.

Boudica: 4 (Shinseikhaan, Askthepizzaguy, El Diablo, Sasaki)
Sasaki: 3 (LG, Boudica, Diana Abnoba)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (GH)
El Diablo: 1 (Lord Winter)

Life: 1 (Pizza)
Death: 6 (Shinseikhaan, Sasaki, GH, boudica, LG, El Diablo, Lord Winter)

Alive:
LittleGrizzly
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Lord Winter
serierkhaan
El Diablo

Dead:
Publius Aelius Hadrianus
A Very Super Market
Jolt
taka
Polemists
gaelic cowboy
Alexander the Pretty Good
CountArach
Psychonaut
YLC
Captain Blackadder
greyblades
shlin28
Andres
Reenk Roink
Sigurd
Seamus
Askthepizzaguy



Lynched:
Beefy187
F.C is the bees knees
777ares777
Ituralde
yoyoma1910
White Eyes
Factionheir
boudica
Diana Abnoba

It is now Night 8. Orders please

[boudica]

That makes no sense - I am down as dead when I was surely just lynched?

[pevergreen]

Because I constantly screw up! Changing now.


Edit:

I'm getting some photos of characters, so you can hopefully see a bit of who they should be.

Padraic torturing James: http://www.ourbrisbane.com/files/imagecache/200x200/files/attached_pictures/300x300_inishmore.jpg

Padraic getting the call saying Wee Thomas is poorly: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3154/2903511714_8096c36414.jpg?v=0

Christy (left) talking to Joey (right) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3207/2903511738_7efd1a9a6b.jpg?v=0

Mairead (Front) Donney (right) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3004/2902507729_f94f63f5fa.jpg?v=0

[Askthepizzaguy]

It says that I am dead, but truly, Brendan has escaped, and will avenge his partner, Christy.


Though you die, la resistance lives on.

[pevergreen]

more photos:

Padraic and someone (can't figure out his character): https://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2902/n1274694554850487256.jpg

The Director pinching Davey's cheek, with Mairead in the background: https://img56.imageshack.us/img56/8042/n1274694554850498225.jpg

Mairead pinching Davey's cheek https://img56.imageshack.us/img56/6747/n1274694554850508729.jpg

[LittleGrizzly]

This is blatantly false grizz. Aside from connection you tangentially with the two blind mice gimmick and with pizza guy, the basis of my accusation has never been that you were the Irish godfather. I've said many times today that you could be the english godfather. You just love claiming that atpg turning up guilty means you must be innocent, don't you.

Rubbish you consistently called me the irish godfather... now you have merely decided to change tact now i cant be the irish godfather

And you will notice i made it clear i could still be english godfather! i made it clear this only clears me of being the english godfather

when we lynch you as an english henchman... that is what will clear me!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Technically that does not clear you, LG.

[Andres]

Technically that does not clear you, LG.

Why do you care? This game is over for us.

I suggest to let town and English mafia decide this game among themselves.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have an interest in the outcome, because I personally don't want the English mafia to win, nor do I generally like to see a statement which is not accurate go unchallenged.

LG could be the Godfather even if he lynches Sasaki. That proves nothing.

[Beefy187]

I demand more Donney! :whip:

Sexiest character in Inishmore!! :furious3:

Maireads cute

[pevergreen]

I demand more Donney! :whip:

Sexiest character in Inishmore!! :furious3:

Maireads cute

Not as cute as the girl we were with for most of the night. Too bad we were just tagging along behind her date.

>_>

edit:


The next day (Day 9) will not reveal characters names (if any) in the lynch scene. This is so I can have one of those suspense filled nights, with the really cool writeup the next morning.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Summarizing...

It does indeed appear that Pizza was relaying an accurate account. The death by special lynching of Diana resulted in his own destruction. Boudica was also lynched, but was to all appearances a townie innocent.

This leaves us with two English Mafiosi, 1 Welsh "neutral," and 3 townies.


GH: Found "innocent" so he's either clean or THE baddie. Has aroused little suspicion aside from his feud with White_Eyes.

LG: Sasaki's target for half of the game or more. Also found "innocent" by me so he's either clean or THE baddie.

SK: Died while investigating this one, so I don't have an "I" or "G" to provide you. Pizza is clearly fingering him as one of the English mafiosi.

LW: A bit under the radar here. I had not gotten to investigating him. He spend most of the first few days lurking (vote-wise) casting one vote for a now-known-to-be-townie Boudica when she came under pressure earlier.

El D: Found "innocent" and has played very low key all game, almost a lurker despite fairly regular voting.

'k: Named character with at least one resistance to night-death. Claims to be a "must survive" only character who lacks any other objective. This strikes me as suspicious, frankly, since it seems too duplicative of the basic townie role without having any challenging individual objective. So far, pev's game is pretty classic aside from the two mafias: Doc, Det, SK. I have a suspicion that the other "neutral" was Davey (blocker?) who ran down Wee Thomas and that that role was Wogged in the early mid-game during the portion that got pev a tad upset.

I encourage you to vote for 'khaan this next day. There will be only three of you and two of them, so if you ARE a townie, you must take out the baddy or they win.

[ULC]

*sighs*

FactionHeir was Davey.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This is blatantly false grizz. Aside from connection you tangentially with the two blind mice gimmick and with pizza guy, the basis of my accusation has never been that you were the Irish godfather. I've said many times today that you could be the english godfather. You just love claiming that atpg turning up guilty means you must be innocent, don't you.

Rubbish you consistently called me the irish godfather... now you have merely decided to change tact now i cant be the irish godfather

And you will notice i made it clear i could still be english godfather! i made it clear this only clears me of being the english godfather

when we lynch you as an english henchman... that is what will clear me!

Yesterday was the first day I called you the irish godfather, and I soon noted that I wasn't sure you were irish. Yet you've claimed all along that I was accusing you of being irish--clearly you hoped to eliminate the irish yourself so that you could say you were cleared.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The only suspects for Oswald are, again: Lord Winter and Sasaki

Sasaki made sure to cast his vote to save himself right on the deadline. He's the mafiosi, because Lord Winter privately asked to suicide.

One of the people I talked to yesterday is Sasaki's partner, because they knew that I was going to switch my vote to Sasaki at the deadline.

I spoke to El Diablo, LittleGrizzly, and Shinseikhaan.

Sasaki wins the game if LittleGrizzly is his Godfather, because that was a cold as ice tactic and he deserves to win for it. Cheers, Sasaki.

Shinseikhaan has a WELSH NAME. I believe he is not English, Seamus. I tried to kill him and IT FAILED. Pevergreen told me that the English had the same abilities we did, and Diana had no "extra lives", and NO ONE is claiming they protected Shinseikhaan.

El Diablo DID NOT WANT TO SWITCH HIS VOTE OFF OF BOUDICA.




El Diablo is your man.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Askthepizzaguy:


Diana and I have 2 votes. We will be on right before the deadline to double lynch Sasaki and boudica. You know Sasaki is Oswald. We are letting you know of this plan, because we believe you are innocent.

Get votes on Sasaki and boudica, and we will make sure, right before the deadline, they both die. If this is what you want. Otherwise we will not follow through with the plan, and actually have a restful evening for once. Your choice.

You can make this public, but it will tip them off that they have to be awake to save themselves in about 9 hours. Tell your townie friends... spread the word.Askthepizzaguy:




Diana and I have 2 votes. We will be on right before the deadline to double lynch Sasaki and boudica. You know Sasaki is Oswald. We are letting you know of this plan, because we believe you are innocent.

Get votes on Sasaki and boudica, and we will make sure, right before the deadline, they both die. If this is what you want. Otherwise we will not follow through with the plan, and actually have a restful evening for once. Your choice.

You can make this public, but it will tip them off that they have to be awake to save themselves in about 9 hours. Tell your townie friends... spread the word.

I guess im willing for this... it will look strange if i move my vote from sasaki... especially after the post i just made...

So from my end is a good plan... aslong as i can keep my vote on sasaki

Do it. And let the English see you do it.

-Braveheart.Askthepizzaguy



To be honest ATPG I have NO townie friends.
I am a townie but have no clue as to who else is one.

I would appriciate the double lynch on them for the simple fact that if Boudica AND Sakasi are scum but not the GF we may waste another round hunting.


Diana and I have 2 votes. We will be on right before the deadline to double lynch Sasaki and boudica. You know Sasaki is Oswald. We are letting you know of this plan, because we believe you are innocent.

Get votes on Sasaki and boudica, and we will make sure, right before the deadline, they both die. If this is what you want. Otherwise we will not follow through with the plan, and actually have a restful evening for once. Your choice.

You can make this public, but it will tip them off that they have to be awake to save themselves in about 9 hours. Tell your townie friends... spread the word.

Absolutely. That is what our plan is. we thank you for your support. It IS your butts we are saving, since you won't save Diana's....

but we forgive you. You're actually FIGHTING for Ireland. That's all we wanted.Askthepizzaguy:




I am not moving my vote from Boudica.
I hope that our host will allow the double lynch though (he didn't in round one).



Diana and I have 2 votes. We will be on right before the deadline to double lynch Sasaki and boudica. You know Sasaki is Oswald. We are letting you know of this plan, because we believe you are innocent.

Get votes on Sasaki and boudica, and we will make sure, right before the deadline, they both die. If this is what you want. Otherwise we will not follow through with the plan, and actually have a restful evening for once. Your choice.

You can make this public, but it will tip them off that they have to be awake to save themselves in about 9 hours. Tell your townie friends... spread the word.

I guess im willing for this... it will look strange if i move my vote from sasaki... especially after the post i just made...

So from my end is a good plan... aslong as i can keep my vote on sasaki

El Diablo has a point... is it worth the risk to try and lynch two people and risk not lynching anyone at all ?

Then get Sasaki.El Diablo didn't want to vote for Sasaki.

Sasaki is Oswald. El Diablo is the English Godfather.


Some rules and so forth:
No revealing in private. No screenshots.
Every person with a role has a name. In any kill writeups or lynches, if a player with a name features in them, their in game name will be used. (eg, If my name is Bob and I kill Beefy, the write up would say that Bob stalked beefy and killed him.)

The town must remove all threats to it to become victorious.

If you have questions, feel free to ask.

Quoting PMs is allowed, even by the dead, unless otherwise stated.





My question: Did LittleGrizzly or Shinseikhaan actually tell anyone?

[Askthepizzaguy]

One last thing....


FREEDOM!!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HYuv0Q7sdQ)

[ULC]

*sighs*





Godfathers come up as innocent, IIRC, thus, GH innocent result begs the question, does it not?

Also, the two theories kind of merged when I explained how I would play comparitively. I am not saying GH is Oswald, I am saying GH could be the Godfather, since as mafia, best to kill the confirmed innocents. It all depends on who dies tonight really - If GH, then it's ED, if ED, then it's pretty much GH.

We have to lynch Sasaki though :mellow:



No we don't. We can lynch either GH or El Diablo and end the game with honor.


1. LittleGrizzly has been Sasaki's target all game, if he is the GF, that deserves the nod. Well done, played with honor.

2. GeneralHankerchief played VERY risky by betraying White_eyes. Not Godfather material. He also came up as innocent, but so did El Diablo and LittleGrizzly. If GH is the Godfather, toss him a bone.

3. Lord Winter tried to suicide privately, and the HOST said no.

4. Shinseikhaan will not survive the night; and he didn't read my message until it was too late to save Sasaki, I think.

5. Sasaki Kojiro is Oswald.

6. El Diablo is the only remaining suspect for English Godfather, in my opinion.

1. Agreed
2. Sorry, I put nothing past GH. We infact lost all our protown roles that round, so in effect, he had no more use for the network.
3. The host said no...why?
4. I am not sure - a deal can be offered, since Khaan doesn't need the town to win, he can win right along with the mafia, and the mafia does not need to kill him. Plus, leaving him alive means a possible increase in voting power for them, and reduced votiung power for us.
5. Agreed, for the most part - I keep getting this nagging feeling of an ED-LW evil alliance of doom...
6. Besides GH? Agreed.

I think we should state our case. Would you copy this message in it's entirety, spoiler it, and make it public.

After all, it is YOUR town you're trying to save. You :daisy:s killed my Glorious Leader. Why should I care anymore?

I am a sentimental guy... and I hate the English more than you do. :bow:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Where exactly did Lord Winter try to suicide in the thread, and where did pever give his reply?

Also, I'm not too sure about El Diablo being Godfather just because he wouldn't take his vote off boudica. Remember, Godfathers know if somebody's guilty or innocent and can thus plan accordingly to make them look better. Townies on the other hand aren't as sure.

[ULC]

Where exactly did Lord Winter try to suicide in the thread, and where did pever give his reply?

Also, I'm not too sure about El Diablo being Godfather just because he wouldn't take his vote off boudica. Remember, Godfathers know if somebody's guilty or innocent and can thus plan accordingly to make them look better. Townies on the other hand aren't as sure.

I actually said that earlier to ATPG - as a Godfather, I would have switched my vote to Sasaki, because not doing so draws attention. Sacrifice the grunt to win the game.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Where exactly did Lord Winter try to suicide in the thread, and where did pever give his reply?

Also, I'm not too sure about El Diablo being Godfather just because he wouldn't take his vote off boudica. Remember, Godfathers know if somebody's guilty or innocent and can thus plan accordingly to make them look better. Townies on the other hand aren't as sure.

Not in a 2 mafia game. GF's know only the guilt of their crew -- not the other team.



If factionheir was Davey, then some of my concerns with 'khaan were clearly baseless. Too much catch up reading I guess. Skimmed too quick.


One Good Guy dies tonight (we are now down to regular mafia) leaving 2 townies, 1 neutral, and two badguys. On strict math, that makes it 50/50.


GH: Found "innocent" so he's either clean or THE baddie. Has aroused little suspicion aside from his feud with White_Eyes.

LG: Sasaki's target for half of the game or more. Also found "innocent" by me so he's either clean or THE baddie.

SK: I Died while investigating this one, so I don't have an "I" or "G" to provide you. Pizza is clearly fingering him as one of the English mafiosi.

LW: A bit under the radar here. I had not gotten to investigating him. He spend most of the first few days lurking (vote-wise) casting one vote for a now-known-to-be-townie Boudica when she came under pressure earlier.

El D: Found "innocent" and has played very low key all game, almost a lurker despite fairly regular voting.

'k: Named character with at least one resistance to night-death. Claims to be a "must survive" only character who lacks any other objective. Since we are assuming he's a "neutral" role, it makes sense to not vote for him.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Not in a 2 mafia game. GF's know only the guilt of their crew -- not the other team.

Agreed, but boudica was never suspected of being Irish mafia - only English. As is El Diablo currently.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The hilarious part is that you're the next highest suspect on mine and YLC's list, yet you're arguing that El Diablo may not be the English Godfather.

We consider, (in our thoroughly silly opinion) only you and El Diablo to be suspects now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I just want to keep all of our options open, that's all. glyphz came out of nowhere to win Ephesus. I don't want to make that mistake twice.

[ULC]

The hilarious part is that you're the next highest suspect on mine and YLC's list, yet you're arguing that El Diablo may not be the English Godfather.

We consider, (in our thoroughly silly opinion) only you and El Diablo to be suspects now.

If we keep picking the same suspetcs and agreeing with each other, they might suspect we are the same person!

Quick, I'll pick GH and you can have ED! They will never know!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Indeed. I admit, we know basically nothing... assumptions are made all the time. If I can rehash and make my opinion a little clearer, and then bow out so as not to destroy your game or your chances of winning:


1. Lord Winter or Sasaki must be Oswald. I can find the post for you where pevergreen said no to Lord Winter over the suicide, publicly, when I don't think he asked publicly. We can check all Lord Winter's posts to be sure.

2. Sasaki showed up at precisely 3:00 AM my time to save himself, which is (perhaps) townie behavior, but judgment call says mafia.

3. He may have been tipped off by one of the 3 people I mentioned.

4. Sasaki (if Oswald) has been accusing LittleGrizzly all game. If LittleGrizzly is the Godfather, I think that deserves a round of applause and the win, but that's my opinion. I like to reward bold play and punish the more predictable play, like lurking and so on.

5. Shinseikhaan survived a hit, and no one claims to be a defender or blocker, and pev confirmed that the English have the same abilities we did. Nothing but murder.

6. General, you've played a bold, bold game by accusing White_eyes. A very risky thing for a Godfather to do when you knew he was innocent by investigation. You may have played the odds too and thought... if I am the Godfather, what are the odds White_eyes is a Godfather? Pretty bad.

You took a huge gamble and lost. And you also exposed yourself to the mafioso as being part of a pro-town network, therefore making you a murder target.

7. El Diablo's contributions don't fly with me. He probably tipped off Sasaki. He cannot be Oswald, and I don't sense townie-ness from him. I've been pretty good at picking roles this game, and I smell a role here. I also smell an english rat... :clown:

8. He refused to vote for Sasaki.






I rest my case, feel free to pick it apart, General. Well played game, by all. Masterful performance by Sasaki, and brilliant moves by town with the investigations, which will indeed solve this case, I predict. And I had tons of fun.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have the posts that are relevant, in fact I think I have all of Lord Winter's in-game posts here.

Spoiler-ed to keep the thread looking neat, and the interesting parts are highlighted red.



Vote: Askthepizza guy.

and the Lord said let the wall of text come forth...

Risky behavior, as anyone who votes for me immediately becomes scummy to me, and risks being scrutinized by me all game, and usually faces an accusation later on.


Not to mention that it stifles any discussion we will get this round, and that also goes at this bandwagon that has sprung up against your perfectly in character yet still poor townie move.

Unvote: Pizza
Vote: A very super market

Unhelpful bandwagoning.

Nervous? Maybe.


I voted pizza before the bandwagon started as a random start vote. Once the bandwagon got going it was serving a useless function. I was just trying to generate more discussion.

I think it makes sense, but could be townie behavior or mafia nervousness and explanations.


Sorry everyone, I fell behind in my mafia reading.

Anyway, I don't see any point in lynching AtPG again. He's done nothing out of character and deserves to live through the first half of a game for once.

I agree with Saski, Boucida is truely acting out of character. I can't remember her doing the lynch me if you want thing before.

Vote: Boucida

Not sure if there's anything here to comment on. Makes sense, to me.


Vote: YLC

Your last posts come off as too agressive.


@AtPG/Reenk

The only part that links the kill to Reenk is the clear Weenx imitation. That is all it is though an imitatioin. Look at the finer points it is missing the characteristic Wanax commentary that would Reenk put in on the Wenex kills. I'm not buying the match.

Voted for someone who got murdered by English mafia.


Sorry didn't look at the status list.

Unvote: YLC

The truth, or a ploy? I don't know... a ploy from the Godfather... still very risky.


I know, I got behind in my reading here and I'm trying to catch up. To be honest I don't have a complete idea of what's going on.

Lurking, claiming not to know what is going on? Later he asks to suicide.


Vote: Abstain

I don't have the understanding of the game to even hope to start drawing meaningful conclusions. I will try to catch up tommarow and get try to establish some context.

This does seem odd to me. It's obvious lurking/avoiding behavior, which is a tactic that gets riskier every game as people start having more and more backlashes at lurkers.


As a note, I am very very reluctant to suicide anyone, especially at this point of the game. I knew pyschonaut stopped paying attention (he never did in the first place) but LW and boudica, I won't suicide you.

This is where pevergreen tells Lord Winter that he cannot suicide. He never asked in-thread.


:bow: I'll try to set aside some time to get caught up. :bow:

Lord Winter's reply.


Why should've the host given you the name of your killer, wouldn't that seriously unbalance the game?

No comment. Makes sense.


I have diffuclties lynching on a two sentences infalliable PM.

Again, makes sense. I can't glean mafia or town from this.


AtPG is more then capable of throwing his team under the bus. He admitted to doing it in Prometheus. I don't have any reason to doubt it, and killing Diana will not hurt us with the separate vote. If we assume that Pizza is telling the truth then we can narrow down the suspects to Sasski on the grunt side (assuming I'm innocent). However, since we have limited lynches let we shouldn't act on this. However, if we assume Sasski is guilty then we can also realize that LG is also innocent. I've read over Boucida's post and the cases against her, but I don't think she's guilty, I would call her an innocent townie. Now, I have reached logic's limit for the time I have now. If the game continues, I'll do a through reread keeping all this in mind. However, I don't have that time this round, I've already spent an hour and a half catching up. So for now we leave the path of logic and start with instinct. GH does not seem guilty so far, actually to be fair I don't have enough information to make that call but once again I'm going to ignore him as a suspect. I believe 'khans reveal, also a instinct call. My vote is going to have to go with El Diablo this round. He seems to have laid low and like someone mentioned (forgot who), he seems to have been distancing himself from Sasski. Also he's an older player, who would know Saski's skills, while not knowing much about many others.

Vote: El Diablo
Kill: Diana

Votes for El Diablo... how lovely.

This is another reason I like him for a townie this game. He actually points out a very good suspect, whereas mafia don't want to kill the big suspects. Bold move.

This is why I think he's townie, not Godfather nor Oswald. But I have been wrong before; make your own call.

[El Diablo]

ATPG is there noone you have not called the godfather yet? I have images of you scanning your posts at the end to say..

"See in post 567 & 678 I thought it was GH" - not to mention the others you fingered but got wrong.

Here is my thought processes for that last round of voting.

1. You had stated that Diana was Godfather/mother and that all off the IRA would die with her. I did not believe that you were telling the whole truth. I was worried that Diana was the henchwoman and you were the GF thus surving one more round and one more kill in the night round.

2. That meant two kills in the night phase and a severe disdvantage for town. I am pretty sure that Sasaki is a grunt but taking him out would not have wiped out the english mafia. Thus still two kills for the night phase. You obviously don't know who the English mafia is so you may have killed a townie and causing a town loss?

3. I went for the win with my vote last night. Boudica could have been the gf and town could have won there and then. As it is we were lucky that you were telling the truth and have now gone. Do you honestly think I should trust you and put my vote where you wanted? I find that as the percentage numbers of mafia in a game get higher you need to trust yourself as mafia are generally more persistant and can sway votes.

I made a judgement call and it was wrong. My bad, but there have been plenty of others in this game too.

The only good thing is now you have made me a target I actually expect to survive the night round.

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG is there noone you have not called the godfather yet? I have images of you scanning your posts at the end to say. "See in post 567 & 678 I thought it was GH" - not to mention the others you fingered but got wrong.

Irrelevant to the game itself. I have nothing to do with the fact of your guilt or innocence. Not a rational argument of defense; a red herring.


Here is my thought processes for that last round of voting.

1. You had stated that Diana was Godfather/mother and that all off the IRA would die with her. I did not believe that you were telling the whole truth. I was worried that Diana was the henchwoman and you were the GF thus surving one more round and one more kill in the night round.

Okay.


2. That meant two kills in the night phase and a severe disdvantage for town. I am pretty sure that Sasaki is a grunt but taking him out would not have wiped out the english mafia. Thus still two kills for the night phase. You obviously don't know who the English mafia is so you may have killed a townie and causing a town loss?

You wouldn't take out a grunt, then get his Godfather? In my opinion, that's a confession.


3. I went for the win with my vote last night. Boudica could have been the gf and town could have won there and then. As it is we were lucky that you were telling the truth and have now gone. Do you honestly think I should trust you and put my vote where you wanted? I find that as the percentage numbers of mafia in a game get higher you need to trust yourself as mafia are generally more persistant and can sway votes.

I am not the issue here, you are. Hehehehe..... you're trying to frame your defense around me and my arguments, which is nothing more than a distraction tactic.


I made a judgement call and it was wrong. My bad, but there have been plenty of others in this game too.

You're bad? Okay, we should lynch you then. :wink:


The only good thing is now you have made me a target I actually expect to survive the night round.

That was a foregone conclusion anyway.





Not much of a defense. I don't believe you. Thankfully for you, town decided to eliminate the IRA last round, and if they had not, Sasaki would be dead. If I was quicker on the trigger finger, he would have been anyway. I was ready to alter my vote too. Sasaki is guilty, and you refused to kill him.

Now we must destroy you, so sayeth the dead guy. Now try to convince the living, because you have not convinced me. I tried to listen to you objectively. State a case why someone besides you is guilty. Convince them.

[El Diablo]

You wouldn't take out a grunt, then get his Godfather? In my opinion, that's a confession.

As I said I was after the godfather. You question my process "grunt then godfather" - correct?

If was going to use your process I would have voted you. You may have been the gf and survived the lynch when Diana was killed.
Leaving you alive (an ADMITTED mafia) is worse than leaving sasaki an ALLEGED mafia.
Oh I forgot - you told me you would die when Diana was killed - and you have not told a lie all game as mafia?

You POSSIBLY left alive when combined with the fact we are unanimous that Sasaki is probably only a grunt at best (leaving a gf out there) would have left two kills in the night phase.

Thus I hoped to kill the English gf and then deal with you the next round if you had not been killed.

As it is the grunt and the GF still survive but with only one kill between them. We still have another shot at the gf, they still only get one kill. You assume the GF to be me by my actions when infact by killing Sasaki we would not have changed the killing power of the mafia and I may have got the Godfather.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have nothing further to add; I am unconvinced. But I won't bother you again about it. My case is stated, your defense is stated. Let the votes fall where they may.

:medievalcheers:

[ULC]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

oh, wha? Sorry fell asleep, seeing as it's night and all. However, fairly sure LW is dead tonight.

[pevergreen]

LittleGrizzly loved the village pub, but not infrequently, through his wife's persuasion, he staid at home instead and had some of the chosen and the best to dine with him: but quiet evening parties were what he preferred; and, unless he fancied himself at any time unequal to company, there was scarcely an evening in the week in which he could not be found playing chess. This particular party was of the type now habitual to the Grizzly's, with one change: they had a new guest, a strikingly handsome man named Oswald, who Mrs. Grizzly had met during a party at their neighbor's house. She had been so busy in admiring his soft blue eyes, in talking and listening, and forming all these schemes in the in-betweens, that the evening flew away at a very unusual rate; and the supper-table, which always closed such parties, and for which she had been used to sit and watch the due time, had been all set out and ready, and moved forwards to the fire, before she was aware.

LittleGrizzly tolerance level for hobnobbing with his wife's socialite friends was quite low, and he had passed it earlier than usual this evening. He retired to the library with the intention of playing a soothing game of chess with himself and was surprised to find Oswald there, holding a copy of Mansfield Park and chuckling at the uncut pages.

Grizzly, pleased to have an opponent, invited Oswald to a game of chess.

"It's an Irish game, invented by St. Patrick, so I don't know if you've heard of it, but it's easy to get the hang of" he said. Once Oswald had finished choking on his drink he accepted, and the game began.

Grizzly began the game with, he thought, great success. Pawn after pawn of Oswald's fell to his pieces, and soon there was only one remaining. But though he tried and tried to get to it, his efforts were always thwarted. Eventually he saw a way. He had castled his king in the beginning, and he realized that by moving a few of the protective pieces, he could capture the last pawn! It should be mentioned that LittleGrizzly did not have a very good understanding of the principles of chess. He moved his bishops and rooks in for the kill, but just as they were about to strike his gloating was interrupted by Oswald, who said:

"Checkmate"

"What? What!?" said LittleGrizzly, "What do you mean?"

"My knight can take your king. There is no where for him to go"

"So what? What about your pawn. I can still take that!"

Oswald spent some time trying to explain it to him, but made little progress.

"Don't feel badly, LittleGrizzly, if I recall accurately, you were outmatched even when we competed in games simpler than this one. What you failed to realize us that the pawns are inconsequential, and that exposing your king guarantees your failure"

"Failure according to you, maybe! But look at all the successes I've had! For example this pawn here--"

"That pawn was a sacrifice"

"Well, well, even so, there is this pawn here and this pawn there, they surely outweigh the importance of a king. He's just one piece!"

Oswald began to reply, but sighed instead and pulled out his silenced Walther PPK and shot LittleGrizzly in the forehead.

Alive:
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Lord Winter
serierkhaan
El Diablo

Dead:
Publius Aelius Hadrianus
A Very Super Market
Jolt
taka
Polemists
gaelic cowboy
Alexander the Pretty Good
CountArach
Psychonaut
YLC
Captain Blackadder
greyblades
shlin28
Andres
Reenk Roink
Sigurd
Seamus
Askthepizzaguy
Diana Abnoba
boudica
LittleGrizzly

Lynched:
Beefy187
F.C is the bees knees
777ares777
Ituralde
yoyoma1910
White Eyes
Factionheir


It is now Day 9. As this will be one of the final days, no names will be revealed upon lynch, to provide for the climatic morning writeup the next morning.

[LittleGrizzly]

lol, like the write up... funnily enough i have done that in chess before... got carried away wiping out all opposition pieces and then they come in and get checkmate...

Well im just glad that in the end i forced the mafia to waste a kill on me as no matter how hard they tried they couldn't get me lynched!

Lynch sasaki... then his godfather remains alone... bit less risky to try and take him alone... then it could be one of a number of people...

El Diablo who i mentioned and one or two others seemed to have suspicions also...

GH i couldn't put my finger on anything impaticular... just uneasy about GH

Lord Winter being the one left over... guess it could be him... he could even be the henchman...

But im 95% sure sasaki is one of the scum... probably the henchman...

'khaan is the most innocent looking one left... after that LordWinter imo...

Ohh and i wish i could act like this as Godfather... every person who said i deserve to win it if i was the GF, i agree!

Just wish i had been..

What say you now henchman sasaki ? ~;)

[Andres]

2 townies, 2 mafiosi and 1 neutral still alive.

*** grabs popcorn and waits for the show to start ***

[Askthepizzaguy]

Bah. I gave it my best "shot".


That whole thing was directed at me, I'm pretty sure. Methinks pever could be just delaying the inevitable. Would Shinseikhaan even bother lynching Sasaki? Or have his victory conditions been fulfilled?

I think we have a problem...

edit: I think that if we had lynched Sasaki, and we nearly, nearly did... I was off by a matter of seconds... there would have been enough force to win. So I seriously don't think we did that bad, nor did I have my eye that far off of the mark. But we will see. If Sasaki were dead, I don't think that this latest writeup would have been written by Oswald, nor with such confidence in the victory. If only my trigger finger hadn't gotten rusty.

If only; a lot of things. So close, and yet, so far.

edit 2: I see things all too clearly now. Time to swallow my pride...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Lord Winter and/or pevergreen:

Can you please clear up this whole suicide issue?

[seireikhaan]

Something....

Not right with GH. The style, for nearly the entirety of the game, has been... how shall I say, careful? Professional? Sterile? I dunno, maybe its just me and I'm way off base, but, at least for the time being...

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:El Diablo

[LittleGrizzly]

I think the main thing is... the mafia win with everyone else dead... the town wins with all the mafia dead...

Only one of those victorys include 'khaan in the victory...

If we go for the henchman (probably sasaki outside chance its lord winter) tonight and kill him we have another round... if we miss the henchman then the game is over (2 mafia left and 2 other after night kill) if we get the henchman we have 2 good guys and a godfather... 1 lynch 1 chance...

If we go straight for the Godfather and miss then game is over (2 mafia and 1 good guy left after night kill) obviously if we hit the godfather we win...

But i don't see why sasaki cannot be the godfather... is there any good reason he is not ?

Whilst he is most probably scum in one way or another... so if we lynch him today we could get the godfather butmay just get the henchman and we have a trun left to get the godfather without Sasaki there to influence the voting...

To me mathmatically... the best chance of winning comes from lynching sasaki first...

then next round gets a bit harder... El Diablo is my bggest suspect.. followed by GH... then i guess lord winter... although he is my least suspected out of the 3 possible townies left..

LYNCH SASAKI THIS TURN!!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Sasaki.

Placeholder. Need to do some thinking/reading.

[FactionHeir]

If Sasaki is voting El Diablo, El Diablo probably is his Godfather.
That is, if Sasaki is the henchman of course.
If he is not, and its someone else...

[LittleGrizzly]

Im thinking sasaki will do a last minute vote switch thats why you have to lynch him this round...

[El Diablo]

I am keen to lynch Sasaki but will that give us enough time to get the gf?

5 left

1 Lynch

4 Left

1 Night kill

3 Left. Is it then a two on one to the finish?

If so
Vote Sasaki

[LittleGrizzly]

Is it then a two on one to the finish?

Yes... unless sasaki is actually the godfather...