Mafia Mongolica [Concluded]

[gibsonsg91921]

NO!

It is: Bow chicka bow wow.

Stupid ad. IT IS COOLER IN RED VS BLUE.


RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE.

Hey chicka bum bum.

[pevergreen]

Hey chicka bum bum.

Bow chicka honk honk.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Bow chicka don't spam... :smg:

-edit- Lynch: Beskar

[Sigurd]

Bow chicka don't spam... :smg:

-edit- Lynch: Beskar
We need to lynch Beskar you say. Why?

[Beskar]

He has put "lynch: Beskar" in every post for the last two or three rounds. He did it because his argument was to lynch me as I am a distraction and I replied "Or you could just quit saying 'lynch: Beskar', same effect." so he has constantly put it in every post.

He Spam Ghost, Coast to Coast.

[pevergreen]

Bow chicka don't spam... :smg:

-edit- Lynch: Beskar

pever (Imitating GH's voice, which happens to be a girls): Hey guys, I'm super horny from all the robot killing. Does someone want to help me out of this armour? This breastplate is really itchy.
pever: Bow chicka -
*GH pulls out shotgun, aimed at pever*
pever: Woah...stories over.
GH (still has a girls voice, and does for the rest of it): You're a pig
pever: Hey, I didn't even get to the part where the sailors come in.

a while later
gibsong: pevers big thing?
pever: bow chicka bow wow

seconds later
GH: Everyone form up behind me, and stay tight.
pever: Bow chicka bow wow
GH: Never mind, pever's in front.
pever: Ahh...it was worth it.

a few more seconds later
GH: Then lets go get this big thing of yours.
pever: Bow chicka bow wow
GH: Oh shut up.

[Whatever you're smoking, send some Stateside - GH]

[Reenk Roink]

pever (Imitating GH's voice, which happens to be a girls): Hey guys, I'm super horny from all the robot killing. Does someone want to help me out of this armour? This breastplate is really itchy.
pever: Bow chicka -
*GH pulls out shotgun, aimed at pever*
pever: Woah...stories over.
GH (still has a girls voice, and does for the rest of it): You're a pig
pever: Hey, I didn't even get to the part where the sailors come in.

a while later
gibsong: pevers big thing?
pever: bow chicka bow wow

seconds later
GH: Everyone form up behind me, and stay tight.
pever: Bow chicka bow wow
GH: Never mind, pever's in front.
pever: Ahh...it was worth it.

a few more seconds later
GH: Then lets go get this big thing of yours.
pever: Bow chicka bow wow
GH: Oh shut up.

[Whatever you're smoking, send some Stateside - GH]

Like I only saw the sanitized version and I'm still... :huh:

People who I think are scummy in decreasing order:

Tratorix
Sigurd
Beskar/Atpg
Death is Yonder

[Death is yonder]

I suppose that is because I haven't been participating much in this line of discussion?

I just think that the lynches thus far, while providing discussion, are started to side track the town.


Shouldn't be too much longer. In the meantime, all this focus on a select few is letting some people sneak through the entire game with 2 or 3 posts, in spite of my repeated frustrated protests.

Vindication, ain't it? People like me just cruising by... as a matter of proof, we're so caught up in back and forth circle logic about who is guilty and who is not, that little 'ol me who for some extremely odd reason conjured up near lynches on all my votes on the first round :yes:

Insta-Bandwagon eh?

Surprised nobody picked up on it, I was getting curious about it.



Where's an investigator when you need one? All of this confusion is only a detriment to the town.

Here's a thought, why don't we pressure the lurkers! :idea2:

Certainly not overdone, and certainly no bandwagons... :sweatdrop:

Mob: Speak up or die!

Lurker: *squeak* Don't kill me please! I stopped lurking!

Mob: Feel the power of the bandwagon... behavior change! Lynch him! :skull:

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG, if you'd like to "get serious", then stop making yourself such a blatant lynch target so we can focus on the real suspects.

Hmm... let's recap.

First round: Chaotix, Jolt, Tratorix, and Reenk vote for me. I am forced to vote for FactionHeir to stay alive, and I didn't even hide what I was doing. I even said FH was going to be a poop-tastic lynch, because he hadn't posted and I sent him a message many, many hours before the end of the round going "Hey you're gonna die if you don't show up this lynch is stupid vote for someone else with me so we can both live" and he didn't show up until he was dead. It seemed plainly obvious to me he was innocent, and I asked everyone in the thread to vote for someone else. No one listened. The bandwagon on me, which started rolling based off of my post where I did the South Park underwear gnome "4: ????? 5: Profit!!!!" joke was rather bizarre.

Second round: The Beskar wagon! In post 163, I flat out tell you he's innocent. Gee, how would I know that? Fun. Not to be outdone by my blatant reveal that he's my partner, the wagon continues. Post 168, I flat out state it once again. My voting pattern all round was simply to spare him from death. Post 203, Tratorix makes an observation at how suicidal it would be for me to simply reveal who my mafia partner is and blatantly vote to spare him all game. A couple players, such as TinCow and Reenk, actually think this makes sense. As such, I don't go after them at all because hey... making sense is a good thing. Beefy gets lynched due to the Beskar wagon which I kind of hinted several times was a mistake. And, one of us should have died that night due to the reveal; I guess town wasn't the only one not paying attention. GH dies that night, and concludes Beskar must have done it. I hate to criticize the dead, but... sorry, no he didn't. I'm sure there are other people who might have wanted to take you out of the game. Everything I've done so far: Scummy, not obviously Beskar's partner with such a simplistic behavior pattern that it is picked up by Reenk very very early on in the game, to which I didn't even deny it, and in fact admitted it several times. Definitely scum.

Third round: White_Eyes votes for me. :wall: Wonder why I want him dead? Townies need to be more observant than this. He voted me for "killing Beefy, the likely innocent townie", over Beskar, the 100% innocent townie. This would be the same obvious innocent he himself voted for once. I am a smooth criminal. I vote Khazaar because he is not doing anything to contribute. Gibson votes for me again, perhaps trying to lynch me so that I won't have to be nightkilled, proving that I am a townie. I try to involve Split in the discussion because he appeared to be showing up very infrequently, blending in to the mass of players who were currently doing that. Then he voted for himself and I suggested it would be a bad idea to do that, even though it provided another body to be voted for which could save my own butt. Chaotix votes for Split, which seemed awfully scum to me after he had voted for me in previous rounds and now was his chance to lynch me. But that's ok because I'm the scummy one here and nothing I do makes any sense. I start a campaign to get Khazaar talking which fails woefully, while I obviously avoid voting for Beskar, or even Reenk, who seems to make more sense even though he's still stuck on Beskar. Ichigo drops an excuse for not participating and sneaks through more rounds. YLC votes Beskar and I just blatantly do anything I can to save him, carefully packaged in a layer of sarcasm. Sigurd doesn't go for Beskar when he has the chance, so I mark him down as perhaps one of the sane ones. White_Eyes votes for Beskar, further solidifying him as a troublemaker in my book for this game. I so want him dead. Jolt votes for me... I'm not even close. Totally wasted vote. I even tell him to use it properly, you could even use it on Beskar. Gee, since he thinks I'm guilty, why wouldn't he use it on Beskar, who I am defending? Not a smart move if I am mafia. Yet as a townie, I feel obligated to point out he's just wasting his vote. Totally pointless.

Anyways, round three was just as useless as rounds one and two, and I again make no attempt to hide my affiliation with Beskar. I even make up cutesy nicknames for the two of us. In desperation, I even ask Split to vote for himself. Split, who I felt was a bad lynch but better than a Beskar lynch, goes down. I would have preferred pressuring those who are sneaking by while all the focus is on myself and Beskar, but... what the hey.

Fourth round: In post 360 I note that I feel that we've been wasting our energies focusing on Beskar, and the factionalism over whether or not he is guilty is unhelpful. But if you think he's guilty, vote for him, because 4 wasted rounds is enough. Jolt votes for White_Eyes and I hop right on that bandwagon. This round the focus is on TinCow and Sigurd, both of whom have been less foamy at the mouth over Beskar's supposed guilt, so I'd rather not let a sane townie go. I did everything I could to give you a third option, one who is basically guaranteed to doom us to fail because he's obsessed with Beskar and me, but... TinCow chose not to spare himself, and that was the end of that chapter. I joke that Beskar and I are the most obvious mafia ever, and Jolt takes me seriously. *facepalm* Then I say, let's get real next round... because I'd really, really, really like us to get real next round. From where I'm sitting, we've done nothing but waste time and throw around some really thoughtless accusations which might have been retracted after only a moment or two of critical thinking. Either lynch Beskar or don't, either lynch me or don't, but please populate your suspect lists with more than just us. And yes, we are working together. Speculation continues that we might be working together, which is silly because I said so. A lot. At this point, revealing that we know each other are innocent and getting killed off by the mafia would actually be a very good thing for the town so they can move on. We aren't that critical to your efforts anyway.

Too long; didn't read:

Beskar and I are working together and I've even made that painfully obvious. Lynch us, but then please move on.

[TinCow]

Do not let Reenk dictate the direction of the discussion. He still needs to explain this:


given some behind the scenes knowledge I have gotten

Reenk has admitted to received information from someone else which included some kind of evidence that I am guilty. Since I know that to be blatantly false, either Reenk is lying or his contact is lying. Pressure Reenk until this issue is clarified.

[Chaotix]

Alright. Long post there, ATPG.

From the perspective you've given, it all seemingly makes sense. And make no mistake: I don't think you are mafia, at least. However, I do think that you're doing a very good job at getting votes on you for absolutely no reason, therefore diverting attention from other potential suspects. And it's not just you, either- Beskar and Reenk are very good at this, too.

Here's my case in point: You made a joke about being the mafia earlier this round. Jolt and White_eyes now believe you are mafia and have to be lynched. And they're actually serious about it.


I think, in order to absolutely clear you in my mind (and keep the masses from lynching you), you need to tell us why you and Beskar are working together. Is it just in your role pms? Do you have some sort of ability? If you don't know each other to be innocent, why do believe it is so?

Answering these sorts of questions will provide an alternative story than "we are blatant scum-buddies, lynch us" to those who still believe you are guilty, and it will likely make you a non-entity in lynches again, instead turning you into two more players that the mafia has to kill.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Alright. Long post there, ATPG.

I've been trying not to. I know it grates on people's nerves. :shame:


From the perspective you've given, it all seemingly makes sense. And make no mistake: I don't think you are mafia, at least. However, I do think that you're doing a very good job at getting votes on you for absolutely no reason, therefore diverting attention from other potential suspects. And it's not just you, either- Beskar and Reenk are very good at this, too.

To be fair, I can't really force people to vote for me. And, I believe my behavior has made it obvious that I won't be surviving the game. If the mafia doesn't kill me, you're going to get an itchy trigger finger and lynch me yourself. And I've pointed to Beskar as my partner, who also freely admits it. If, after I have done this, people want to lynch me, you can't really blame the victim. Most of you are familiar with my joke-laden playstyle by now, and I'm not acting much different from usual. So I don't consider the point that we are attracting votes to be valid, because I'm not acting scummy by any rational definition I can come up with.


Here's my case in point: You made a joke about being the mafia earlier this round. Jolt and White_eyes now believe you are mafia and have to be lynched. And they're actually serious about it.

I make that same joke almost every game, even games where I am mafia. Again, not news. And I know Jolt and White_Eyes are serious about lynching me; it is my hope that they either change their mind or at least begin to think of other suspects while voting for me, at the same time. But I hold out few hopes.


I think, in order to absolutely clear you in my mind (and keep the masses from lynching you), you need to tell us why you and Beskar are working together. Is it just in your role pms? Do you have some sort of ability? If you don't know each other to be innocent, why do believe it is so?

I won't reveal the whole truth of what's going on publicly, because it's bad enough as is.


Answering these sorts of questions will provide an alternative story than "we are blatant scum-buddies, lynch us" to those who still believe you are guilty, and it will likely make you a non-entity in lynches again, instead turning you into two more players that the mafia has to kill.
It is my hope that ambiguity will actually help create a WIFOM circle in the mafia's collective heads. I'd prefer not to clarify, thank you. Certain players have been informed as to what is really going on, and that is enough for now.

[A Very Super Market]

I enjoy and lament the town's bickering, while you completely ignore lurkers.

[Chaotix]

Alright, sounds good enough to me. If other players know exactly who you are, and are not trying to lynch you for it, then that's a giveaway that you've given them a plausible enough explanation. I'd estimate the person you notified to be Reenk, based on my own ability to put 2 and 2 together.

Hopefully, others will stop voting for you and we can actually get some real work done here (something both you and I agree on).

Just promise that you won't try to get yourself lynched. :clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, I'll try not to, but maybe this is all giant WIFOM and I really am mafia trying to be lynched! :laugh4: (sorry, couldn't resist) The sad part is, with me, you don't know if that is actually a bluff I would do or not. :2thumbsup: Anyways, all this suspicion is keeping me alive at night. ...Or is it? :inquisitive:



EDIT: What AVSM said. Lurkers. :whip:

[White_eyes:D]

I said why I don't' trust you earlier ATPG:inquisitive:....you even agreed and thanked me for it:laugh4:

I think your a guy who would Lie,Cheat and Betray to save his scum buddies

Thank you. :bow:

Then you try to have me lynched..:brood: I think it is pretty clear why I would want you lynched:smash:

I know how desperate you are, when Mafia...didn't think I forgot that at one time you showed me what a mafia must do for his scum buddies:beam:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Which instance are you referring to?

BTW- Oblivious? :laugh4:

[Jolt]

and Jolt takes me seriously. *facepalm*

I was joking. *facepalm*

[White_eyes:D]

"The Prometheus" comes to mind:wink: You even did the PM thing that most consider scummy:laugh4:

Convinced me to change my vote at the last minute, and almost saved your sorry behind:whip:

If it hadn't been for Reenk and Khaan's bold plan....you would have lost...:wall:

"Throwing your Mafia buddy under the bus" you were ALWAYS bad at it...:2thumbsup:

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I was always bad at it, why have I lost only one game as a mafioso?

@ Jolt- Sorry, couldn't tell.

[White_eyes:D]

Your teammates were really good:tongue:

And I am getting a vibe off of you, similar to back then....which might not surprise you but if I am right....I called it:beam:

Edit: Ok, I guess I should put more thought into the "Vibe" I am getting off you...

When you are townie...you tend to ignore people's pleas for innocence look at (Family guy mafia or Chaotix's Game) While effective, you also tend to lynch the guy who you think is innocent because you double guess yourself...like this..."Maybe he is Mafia? and he has been pulling the wool over my eyes??"

When you are Mafia you tend to take the fall for your scum buddies, because you feel that you can help them the best this way. The REASON for this is because you KNOW that they are on your side:bow:

1. Your defending Beskar because he is your scum Buddie...
or
2. Your both Pro-town and are really shouting it out to the Mafia saying "Kill us please" which is not a very ATPG Pro-town move :tongue:

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I were mafia, we wouldn't be having this conversation because I would have killed you already. :2thumbsup:

*AHEM* I... would... have.... killed.... White.... Eyes... by.... now.

*waits for the morning filled with hope*

[Chaotix]

If I were mafia, we wouldn't be having this conversation because I would have killed you already. :2thumbsup:

*AHEM* I... would... have.... killed.... White.... Eyes... by.... now.

*waits for the morning filled with hope*

You know, white_eyes is going to die now. I can practically sense a last-minute order change.

[Beskar]

*Mafia changes the kill target*
AskthePizzaGuy: I got framed!
Town: ZOMG KILL HIM!
*AskthePizzaGuy gets killed.. he was Shinseikhaan! The Mafia win*
Town: It is your fault Pizza!
AskthePizzaGuy: :cry:

[White_eyes:D]

You know, white_eyes is going to die now. I can practically sense a last-minute order change.

But then who be lynch-bait?:juggle2: Can I dream it would be ATPG or Beskar?

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you're out there, mafia, please frame me.

[Reenk Roink]

Do not let Reenk dictate the direction of the discussion. He still needs to explain this:



Reenk has admitted to received information from someone else which included some kind of evidence that I am guilty. Since I know that to be blatantly false, either Reenk is lying or his contact is lying. Pressure Reenk until this issue is clarified.

1. I don't need to explain that at all.

2. You once again may be falling into the trap of either misinterpreting what I meant or intentionally distorting it (your darn English lesson makes me type five more words to say what I to say... ::thumbsdown:) and thus jumping to a false conclusion.

3. It seems your attempts to draw attention to this are falling on deaf ears yet again, so I've decided to help you out yet again. :smash:

[TinCow]

2. You once again may be falling into the trap of either misinterpreting what I meant or intentionally distorting it (your darn English lesson makes me type five more words to say what I to say... ::thumbsdown:) and thus jumping to a false conclusion.

Then enlighten me. Someone told you something outside of this thread that made you think it was a good idea to vote for me. I am very suspicious of this for obvious reasons, since I have engaged in no game activity outside of this thread and was a simple townie who didn't even have a role PM. Your use of the word "knowledge" has a very definite meaning which conveys the possession of information. Since it is impossible for there to be any real information on me that would make me look guilty, this means that whatever you "knowledge" you were given was false, or you just made it up yourself.

Let's not dodge the issue any further. What you are essentially doing is claiming that there is a detective out there who is sharing results with people and you have been given private information about the existence of this detective and/or their results. If this detective fingered me, then that person is not a detective and they are instead a mafioso. If this detective did not finger me, then why did the information make you vote for me?

[Reenk Roink]

Then enlighten me.

Again? :clown:


Someone told you something outside of this thread that made you think it was a good idea to vote for me.

Your most sober and most likely to be correct appraisal of the situation. Had you not gone farther than this you would be trotting on well assured ground.


Let's not dodge the issue any further. What you are essentially doing is claiming that there is a detective out there who is sharing results with people and you have been given private information about the existence of this detective and/or their results. If this detective fingered me, then that person is not a detective and they are instead a mafioso. If this detective did not finger me, then why did the information make you vote for me?

Nope.

Go back to this line: "someone told you something outside of this thread that made you think it was a good idea to vote for me" and I'll now tell you that's really all there is to it.

The person who told me to vote for did not even give any intimation of being a detective. In fact, I did not even consider his request (given sometime in the second round) until the last round. My reasons to vote for you were not even as much as a result of his words, rather they were more a result of my own independent reasoning and speculation based on what Sigurd, DJGingivtis, and the person (who could also be Sigurd or DJGingivtis) had said. That's it.

You have to ask yourself, why did I after voting you, unvote you and ask YLC to unvote you (and once again, I'm very sorry to YLC for the vote/unvote thing - should I once again be able to purchase your vote, I will make sure to hold off until the end with a final determination :bow:).

[pevergreen]

GH, you havent seen Red vs Blue?

[Seen it now, video removed. If you're really curious, use your Google-fu - GH]

Some bad words. Only one or two.

[GeneralHankerchief]

No, I haven't. That explains a lot. Not everything, but it's a start. :laugh4:

[pevergreen]

I saw your edit, but all you did was add your comment? :laugh4:

I love RvB.

Episode 1 is a huge laugh.
"Gentlemen, may I present to you the M12 LRV. I like to call it the Warthog."
"Why warthog sir?"
"See those two tusks? That makes it look like a warthog. Plus M12 LRV is too hard to say in normal conversation."
"Looks more like a puma."
"What in gods green earth is a puma?"
"Like..a lion. A big cat"
"Look, I'm gunna call it the warthog, so unless you're done making up mythical names, lets stick to the warthog."
"I'm done."
"You sure? What about unicorn? Or dugong?"


"What can you see?"
"They've got a car."
"Aww man, they could totally pick up chicks in a car."
"We're getting a tank."
"What does the car look like"
"I dunno...a big cat..."
"Ohh, a puma"



"GET DOWN HERE LADIES, THIS 'AINT NO ICE CREAM SOCIAL!"
"Ice cream social sir?"
"Can anyone guess, why I have gathered you here, today."
"Is it because the war is over?"
"Yes private, the war is over, and you'se a biiiiiig hero. We gunna hold a parade in your honour. I get to drive the float, and SIMMONS IS IN CHARGE OF CONFETTI!"
"I'm no stranger to sarcasm sir..."


Anyway, back to the game.

[gibsonsg91921]

I'm not convinced it isn't Chaotix. He lurks and then votes YLC deep into the game after YLC has been in character the whole time. Not that I expect I am going to sway people away from Beskar and ATPG, just my two cents.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Your teammates were really good:tongue:

And I am getting a vibe off of you, similar to back then....which might not surprise you but if I am right....I called it:beam:

Edit: Ok, I guess I should put more thought into the "Vibe" I am getting off you...

When you are townie...you tend to ignore people's pleas for innocence look at (Family guy mafia or Chaotix's Game) While effective, you also tend to lynch the guy who you think is innocent because you double guess yourself...like this..."Maybe he is Mafia? and he has been pulling the wool over my eyes??"

When you are Mafia you tend to take the fall for your scum buddies, because you feel that you can help them the best this way. The REASON for this is because you KNOW that they are on your side:bow:

1. Your defending Beskar because he is your scum Buddie...
or
2. Your both Pro-town and are really shouting it out to the Mafia saying "Kill us please" which is not a very ATPG Pro-town move :tongue:

@White_Eyes- I didn't see your edit until just now.

That is perhaps the first post you've made all game where I could follow your reasoning. I see what you're saying, and from your perspective it makes sense. However, that doesn't make it any less incorrect. I can't prove it, and so therefore you will just have to vote me down. At least, now that I understand where you're coming from, I'll try not to take it personally.


Not that I expect I am going to sway people away from Beskar and ATPG, just my two cents.

Edit: Just 3 posts of yours ago, you were sure we were both top suspects. Not that I'm complaining, but when did you change your mind? You're wording it as if you're backing off your previous position without acknowledging it.

[gibsonsg91921]

Like everyone, it seemed to me that you guys were the obvious suspects. Then I noticed that Chaotix had voted for YLC, which seemed scummy.

(I acknowledge that I had voted for YLC too for the same reason Chaotix did, but that was earlier in the game before any real arguments against anyone else were made)

[Chaotix]

I'm not convinced it isn't Chaotix. He lurks and then votes YLC deep into the game after YLC has been in character the whole time. Not that I expect I am going to sway people away from Beskar and ATPG, just my two cents.

Erm... actually, the vote on YLC was pressure. I didn't really think he was mafia, but I wanted to see if he had some other kind of power role, which his role-playing seems to suggest.

EDIT: and this was made clear in the post with the vote in it, if you go back and read it.

However, the whole point is moot because I quickly changed my vote to you after your scum-vote.

[Beskar]

When does the round end? Sorry Shiseikhaan, I am just confused to when the rounds are supposed to end.

[seireikhaan]

When does the round end? Sorry Shiseikhaan, I am just confused to when the rounds are supposed to end.
They're 36 hours. However, I need to get to sleep tonight before midnight, so I am going to be posting writeup soon.

[seireikhaan]

Dark clouds hung over the endless steppes this night. The moon's ghastly glow could not permeate their presence, leaving the only light that which was artificially created. Reenk Roink sat in his tent, stooped next to the fire. He gently rolled his knife over in his hands. He occasionally shot terse glances towards the tent opening. The killings, the heavenly omen... this was no time to be napping.

*flit*

Reenk's neck snapped erect. Something.... someone.... by the tent opening. He lifted himself into a crouch, and stalked towards the opening. He lifted one side opening, and peered outside. The darkness was oppressive. Only the slight glow from his own fire offered aid. He swiveled his head left, then right. He took another step out. He heard a rustling to his right, which quickly became distinguishable as hasty footsteps. Reenk readied his knife, putting himself into a defensive stance at the tent opening. The steps altered, and he could hear them now in front of him somewhere. Then, another sound! A scuffling to his left! Reenk shifted to face his left. He pulled his right elbow back to prepare a jab with his knife, when a man slammed into him from what was now his right. The force shocked Reenk enough that knife in his hand was jarred loose and was sent flying. Now that his attacker was cast in the faint glow radiating from his fire, Reenk had just enough time to see the knife in the man's hand come plunging down into his rib cage. The man rammed the knife into Reenk's torso over and over again, his mass preventing Reenk from escaping from under him. The man skulked of into the darkness, leaving the bleeding mass behind....



YLC, unlike some others in the camp, was making sure to get his rest come night. He laid down for the night, anticipating well sleep, so long as the heavens did not bring more misfortune upon them. He lay asleep for the night. A light snore was emitted from his throat. Meanwhile, a man entered the tent unnoticed at the other end of the tent. The man peered around the tent for a few seconds, as though perhaps entertaining the thought that a trap had been laid. Still, the only sound to be heard was YLC's faint snore. The man stepped as quietly up to his sleeping target, still a sense of caution to his steps. When he arrived at the snoozing body, he looked around the tent once more, his appearance becoming one of increasing paranoia. Quickly, he unsheathed a sword, and directed its blade directly into the throat of YLC. Blood poured out, and YLC thrashed for a second before laying limp. The man practically sprinted out of the tent, and out into the darkness....



Perhaps it was my previous nights of poor sleep, or perhaps it was the splendidly dark, overcast weather for the night. Either way, I had a marvelous night of sleep. I awoke almost in tune with the sun itself, feeling fresh, though still a bit anxious, I admit. When I arrived at the council, only a handful of tribesmen, as well as Shinzei, were there. I took my place next to Shinzei, and asked him what of last night's events. He informed me that there were two more brutal deaths last night. My meager hopes began to sink again. It seemed the heavens had indeed foretold calamitous events for us. I was not looking forward to this council....

-- The Record of Zhang Qian




Alive: 16

Askthepizzaguy
A Very Super Market
Beskar
Caius
Chaotix
Death is Yonder
DJGingivtis
Gibsonsg91921
Ichigo
Jolt
Khazaar
Lord Winter
pevergreen
Sigurd
Tratorix
White_eyes:D

Dead: 5

Yaropolk (N1)
Atheotes (N2)
GeneralHankerchief (N3)
Reenk Roink (N5)
YLC (N5)

Lynched: 4

FactionHeir (D1)
Beefy (D2)
Splitpersonality (D3)
TinCow (D4)

WoK'd: 0



DAY PHASE BEGINS! IT WILL LAST 36 HOURS!

[DJGingivitis]

Boom two deaths. Interesting. Sorry TC. I suspect several people. After I find out how everyone else feels I shall share my thoughts and see if that helps anyone.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Don't bother, Ichigo is guilty.

vote: Ichigo

I got a rather unambiguous result. He was the last person in YLC's tent, there were noises, and he ran off. I don't have 100% investigation ability, but I can tell if Ichigo did anything during the night. So far I've gotten nothing but empty results. Previous night, I checked Ichigo and he didn't do anything. So, since there were no kills, I repeated the investigation last night. It clearly implies he killed YLC.

THAT is what was really going on with me trying to stay alive. Beskar and I aren't partners, I just asked him to pretend to be.

Load off my shoulders.

[pevergreen]

Vote: Ichigo

I think I voted him in round 1, if so: I KNEW HE WAS GUILTY!
If I didnt: HES GUILTY!

edit:

REENK! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Chaotix]

Sounds good enough to me.

Vote: Ichigo

I wonder why the mafia killed off someone we might have lynched on our own, though... surely they could have picked someone less... controversial?

As for YLC, I fully expected to have "removed" his wares for "safekeeping" within a few hours, so nobody has to worry about them being posthumously stolen. Ahem. :grin:

[Beskar]

What is there to say other than what has been said?

Vote: Ichigo

Though, what is disturbing, why are there now two kills and who is the other Mafia?

[Askthepizzaguy]

It is my belief that Ichigo wasn't active at the start of the game, and then kept the kills to a minimum in order to not make it obvious that it was him missing the kills.

However, I can't prove that, and there are other plausible explanations.

[Jolt]

Vote: Ichigo

As long as this makes the Mafia kill one guy per night again, I'm all in for it.

[Tratorix]

Well, unless someone makes a more convincing argument than claiming detective, Vote: Ichigo.

[gibsonsg91921]

Vote: Ichigo

Let's nab him. Might as well

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's going to be a quiet 36 hours.

[White_eyes:D]

Hmmm.....you guys all know that ATPG said his investigation ability is not 100%:laugh4: but I well see what happens....:juggle2: ATPG, Reenk before he died sent me a...interesting PM between the two of you....it seems more like a Cultist group then you being a detective:inquisitive: It would also explain why you trust Beskar...even though in Chaotix's game you killed everyone just to be sure:inquisitive:

I can post it but it's very, very long (It toke me over half an HOUR to read it...:furious3:)
You know what? cat's out of the bag so I will just post it in spoiler tags..:juggle2:


Hi White eyes, just wanted to see how you were. :smiley: K, enough chit-chat, let's talk Mongolica (specifically Atpg)! :beam:

So you know the story: I thought Atpg's last second vote to save himself round one was cheap and went after him. Didn't think he was Mafia at the moment. :shrug: Beskar goes and sticks up for him, causing me to reread the thread and noticing the connection between them. Pretty crappy case I cooked up, but by the standards of Mafia games, it was decent. :2thumbsup: I go after them for awhile for the two reasons that I kinda like to push Beskar's buttons and nobody else is really coming up. :laugh4:

On July 24 (don't know the round exactly, it was probably during the split lynch), Atpg sends me this PM:


Posts 255, 256, and 257:

There's a reason I didn't vote for you in that situation. Given that currying your favor is highly unlikely, what is the other reason?

Here is all further correspondence by me and him at that point:




Posts 255, 256, and 257:

There's a reason I didn't vote for you in that situation. Given that currying your favor is highly unlikely, what is the other reason?

I can speculate many reasons. Not sure which one is correct, only you know.

Perhaps it was because the game was early and most people hadn't voted. Pushing a third vote on me really would do more to yourself than to me, as I only had a few people ever gunning against me in the first place.

Perhaps it was because of my nice smile. :laugh4:

There is a player here who has the ability to "watch" another player at night. It is like an investigation but somewhat inconclusive. You were watched and you weren't doing anything that night. That doesn't tell me a whole lot, but I'd rather vote for someone who hadn't been watched over someone who has. As it's not conclusive, it's not a terrible loss if that person is found out and murdered; but I'd still prefer a murder over a lynch, and save the lynches for those who haven't been "watched".

Even if you're skeptical, I'd still prefer a round or two of time. Trust me, I'll end up dead soon enough.



I'll tell you what, thank you for telling me this Atpg. I'm can't tell if you're lying or not but my gut tells me you're a good guy (or THE good guy). :yes:

If you are THE good guy this does make my going after you a good thing in a way. You have suspicion on yourself which makes the Mafia less likely to want to kill you if they don't figure out who you are. Also if you are a bad guy, there's still a case against you that may be exploited for your lynch.

Obviously, if you are truthful and I believe you to be, this makes my whole case against Beskar wrong. He still may or may not be Mafia, but the reason I had against him is obviously no longer valid. That is given you are THE good guy, and not Mafia who knows of what the good guy did and is now trying to seem like on his side. :wall:

The one that remains for me is Sigurd, did this good guy watch him yet?

The problem here is that we are dealing with more than a single mafioso (I would expect... game would have an awfully strange setup otherwise) and so being watched does not in and of itself mean you're totally innocent. It only means you weren't the one doing the killing that night, which is... unreliable but better than nothing.

As such, and given how revealing this to you is a risk because I still can't confirm you're innocent and vice-versa, I'd PREFER not to reveal everyone else who gets "watched" just yet. However, until I die and thereafter, I will nudge the town when they are getting it wrong if that person is in danger. That I feel is the best way to limit the damage.

There is at least one player who has been "watched" and still has no idea that they were. Again, since it's not 100% I'd rather not drop a hint to them. In your case, given how suspicion and votes are high in my direction, and my death would seem to be a done deal in a short amount of time, I don't feel I've really risked a whole lot by coming out early. Just trying to limit the damage.

Please feel free to continue the case against Beskar or Sigurd or anyone, basically. Beskar, like myself, is pretty much dead in the water due to our behavior and suspicion cast against him. Once the heat dies down from the town, it's only logical the mafia will finish us off. I'm actually more concerned about you, because you do have a chance of outliving us, and you've already been checked out.

I would like to keep everyone who has been watched alive as long as possible without giving away too much. Seeing as the watcher doesn't stand a chance, it's more necessary than usual to keep those who have been watched already alive. The information is useless after they are dead; the whole point of the investigation is to have some knowledge about the remaining living players. The detective himself is less of a concern because he will definitely die by the mid-game or so, if he is lucky.

That's the reasoning I'm using to be kind of obvious about my behavior just to keep those who have been watched alive. Wasting time watching them when they just end up dead does none of us good.

Rambling... revealed too much here but that's how it goes. If you absolutely insist on knowing who else has been checked out I will of course be forced to tell you; I'd prefer it if you didn't ask, please.



Ok, it seems you don't trust me as much as I trust you. This is fine, and understandable, given that you have more to lose than me.

I won't ask you about who else you watched (at this point, given some of the ways you used pronouns in that post, I'm assuming you are this watcher). I won't also hide the fact that it does make me slightly more suspicious of you (though I still believe you more than I don't).

All I will say is that by my estimation of things, you probably have more than two rounds to live assuming you don't get killed. I don't think you're a popular lynch at all at the moment.

If you feel the heat than obviously reveal. Of course, I will probably back you when you do so.

P.S: Pretty damn good play to make it look like you were intentionally saving Beskar but also hint that it was some kind of sarcastic response to my case. Did you a lot of good imo. :2thumbsup:

I will suggest one course of action lastly.

Perhaps this watcher could enlist a townie to be his messenger. This townie would pretend to be a watcher and tell the town who was innocent at a critical stage. It would most likely mean death for that townie, but to save the watcher it would be well worth it. The watcher could continue on seeking new targets this way.

Of course, the watcher would have to trust the townie, so it is his call. I'm sure the townie is at his beck and call. :wink:

Might you be volunteering for this "watcher" role?

Hmmm.... Reenk Roink... claiming to be "the watcher".... again... I see only one minor flaw with that plan. No one would believe you'd be a "watcher" for what is it, the third time? (I think?) :laugh4: I'm kidding; if you think you can pull it off, that's fine. I was actually planning on doing something like that as soon as I had a few under my belt.

Aside- I was going to wait until the next day phase to send you the first message I sent, because I felt that was the safest time to reveal to you (getting through another night phase) however I saw you were getting into the verbal wars again and I wanted to see if I couldn't spare you the trouble of arguing about a connection between Beskar and I, when apparently you are one of the few who noticed one early and took it seriously.

As for being suspicious of me; no offense taken. Keep these conversations saved if you wish, use them as evidence if you want to force me to claim. I've gone to the fake claim well a lot of times, so essentially my life is in your hands. I know the detective claim is scummy, and that's why it would make sense for you to reveal me if I fail to make any progress. As for me trusting you, there's no such thing as absolute trust in mafia games, but this whole conversation is evidence that you have benefit of the doubt from me, more so than most, at the present time. I apologize it isn't 100% but it is what I can offer.


Sorry for such a long read :sweatdrop: but I think you see what's going on. Atpg claims to be some role that can watch others during the night (detective lite). I buttered him up in those PM's (knowing a bit about Atpg and how he takes his performance in these games somewhat to heart) but the truth is, my belief was a bit greater than my suspicion back then.

(somewhat recently Atpg asked me about my vote switch on TinCow and if I needed him and Beskar [there is a connection now] to vote on him - if you want those PM's ask, but they aren't important to what we're discussing)

Now then, while I cautiously believed Atpg before, and I still cautiously believe him now, I want to cover all bases. This is where you come in. :2thumbsup:

Why you? Well, me and you are a good team and I like playing with you of course. :yes: Also, your argument with Atpg caught my eye.

I'm telling you all of this in the chance that Atpg is lying and is Mafia. I already tried to test him recently, by asking him to reveal. My PM and his response, all today:



I suggest you reveal. Either this round or the next. Either by yourself or through someone.

There are 18 players now (possibly less after this coming night). With your 4 (or 5) investigations not only does the town get a better handle on almost a third of the remaining players, but they also have a lot more time to do things with the information, unlike if we only had 10 more players left.

I see what you've been trying to do having done it myself many a time, but I believe it might backfire. You may just go ahead and get too much lynch support, or you might be knocked off by the Mafia for being too out there.

I understand and appreciate your concern, Reenk; as of right now someone else already knows everything that I know, and it doesn't even matter if I reveal at the moment or not, because even if the mafia kills one of us, the other can reveal. (Like two MAFIA? Pizzaguy said there was only ONE:inquisitive:)

However, it would be tactically beneficial for me to take me up on your offer to "reveal" for me. Not only would that more fully clear you in my mind (the watcher role not being 100%) but it would spare the other person I have to look out for.

I don't want to do anything more tonight because it could give the mafia too much info, which they pretty much already have. The truth will come out soon though, and it could be a good idea to deal with this in the morning.

So now you know everything I know about Atpg.

He has a person who he has trusted more than me (could it be his Mafia partner? could it be Beskar? could it just be some cleared townie he trusts more than me?), so he's obviously trying to cover his bases. It's all good, as so am I. :cool:

He wants me to potentially reveal for him. OK cool, if he's really a watcher type role, than I wouldn't have a problem doing it. But I also want Atpg to be kept on his toes. So that's why I'm going to ask you to do me a favor. If/when Atpg asks me to reveal on his behalf, I'm going to forward you all the info, and you will do it. :laugh4:

If Atpg's legit, then he shouldn't have a problem, even though it might mess with his head a bit. If he's not, then we'll have messed with his head. :clown: Either way, I don't want Atpg running things, not when I'm not 100% sure about his innocence.

Lastly, you might be Mafia. I don't think so right now (Reenktuition's got nothing though my gut says you're innocent) but the way it's set up, if you were Mafia, you are screwed even if you get this information. If Atpg dies, I know who did it. :smash: So yeah, I covered this base too (I hope). :2thumbsup:
I bolded all the suspicious stuff have a good read:bounce:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't see the connection between my PM activity and a cult group, but maybe that is because I am the one being accused. Could you clarify?

[White_eyes:D]

THAT is what was really going on with me trying to stay alive. Beskar and I aren't partners, I just asked him to pretend to be.

Load off my shoulders.

You words, yes?:smash:


Not only would that more fully clear you in my mind (the watcher role not being 100%) but it would spare the other person I have to look out for.

You lied....there are TWO of you...and it points strongly towards two mafia being you and Beskar:inquisitive: (It makes sense given you never trust anyone as Pro-town...Look back at Chaotix's mafia or Family guy mafia. You even had your Pro-town roles killed:sweatdrop:)
And yet you trust Reenk and Beskar? even though it's not a 100%?
Your Lieing plan and simple

I need to confirm something before I say anything on the "Cultist part" mostly from Reenk's viewpoint:smash:

[gibsonsg91921]

They could be pro-town masons... of course they could also be duping us. Luckily, these are Reenk's e-mails. They'd be pretty darn smart mafia.

[Beskar]

It's funny that White_Eyes:D has this "convincing" argument when AskthePizzaGuy has got a successful result on some one. There is a far easier test, at the end of the turn, if Ichigo is found to be "innocent" then obviously, PizzaGuy must be Mafia/Lying, thus lynch him. On the otherhand, if AskthePizzaGuy is telling the truth, obviously, it means there is one Mafia left and well, there was some one trying to divert the town away from a proven mafia....

[White_eyes:D]

As long as your not going to spam the thread, I don't mind:tongue:

It is set in stone for Ichigo:smash: Why I even bothered to warn town is beyond me..:shrug:

Vote:Ichigo

Edit: It is also interesting, how Reenk died the day he asked you guys to reveal:smash: (It could be bad luck but I prefer to think you both had something to do with it)
I also think my theory about the Mafia powering up there kills is true...:bow:
We should be looking at one or no kills tonight...I played Khaans games before and he doesn't
cut a mafia's kills just because one is lynched...I also think you guys were trying to swap that under the rug as well...truth is, there is no way to know if you are telling the truth or not..

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm left speechless by you, White Eyes.

I don't have anything more to add, because I'm willing to be lynched in trade for lynching Ichigo. Any question of my supposed guilt will be put to rest then.

[White_eyes:D]

That would be the problem....even if you do...no one well lynch you over Ichigo because they have a detective reveal even though it's not a guarantee, over a PM from a suspicious townie and you...Ichigo is dead but I know that you two are the most suspicious:inquisitive:

This all would have been avoided had you been clear about Beskar role in all this....but now you messed up by keeping it secret, yet still trying to have others lynched and even PMing Reenk, who you should know would not trust you:laugh4:

If your Mafia then this is the ballsiest move you have ever done....if you hadn't been trying so hard to protect Beskar I wouldn't even have seen it:2thumbsup:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You have an opinion that I can't overturn, because you're pretty sure about your hunch. Some points:

1. There's plenty of time left on the clock. Revealing this early just to lynch Ichigo of all people if I were a mafia makes no sense. The same strategy could be done next round. I wasn't really in danger of being lynched.
2. That being said, I do things that make no sense, out of sheer balls. That is why I am aware I have no credibility as a detective revealing, and am prepared to die next round. That should be good enough for you.
3. I am working with Beskar, but I've never made a secret about it. Given how much of a dead man walking I am, how long do you think he's going to live, if he were my mafia partner? Makes no sense.

I realize I do things which seem to make no sense, as a strategy, at times. But there's no way I'd abort our entire chance of winning the game by voluntarily revealing to the town we were both working together, as early as round 2, and then follow it up with a fake detective claim on round 5, with so many players left. It's a moron strategy. If I am as clever as you suggest, give me more credit.

[Tratorix]

That would be the problem....even if you do...no one well lynch you over Ichigo because they have a detective reveal even though it's not a guarantee, over a PM from a suspicious townie and you...Ichigo is dead but I know that you two are the most suspicious:inquisitive:


I can see you not believing ATPG, but do you have some evidence of Ichigo's innocence? You seem to be trying quite hard to save him, or at least take ATPG down with him.

[White_eyes:D]

I don't really care about Ichigo:shrug: I am not trying to save him...:smash:

If the kills keep up and ATPG is lying, we only have 11 people left at a rate of 2 kills per night=
We only have three lynchs left if it stays at 2 kills (which I think is a high possibility but after posting this I just rendered that useless or at best WIFOM:juggle2:)

Ichigo is gone, I don't care but don't forget ATPG's behavior up to this point....that is all I ask:smash:

[Tratorix]

I don't really care about Ichigo:shrug: I am not trying to save him...:smash:

If the kills keep up and ATPG is lying, we only have 11 people left at a rate of 2 kills per night=
We only have three lynchs left if it stays at 2 kills (which I think is a high possibility but after posting this I just rendered that useless or at best WIFOM:juggle2:)

Ichigo is gone, I don't care but don't forget ATPG's behavior up to this point....that is all I ask:smash:

There are 16 people left alive.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tally:

Ichigo: 8 (Askthepizzaguy, pevergreen, Chaotix, Beskar, Jolt, Tratorix, gibsonsg91921, White_Eyes:D)
Roadrunner: 1 (Wile E. Coyote)

[White_eyes:D]

I am going to stop posting for a few weeks and come back when the game is over:shame::hide::creep:

I can't believe, I missed that...:sweatdrop: I blame it on too many games at once...:juggle2:

Edit:If I am not SK/Mafia I tend to not pay attention, too much:shrug: I admit I am a crappy townie when it comes down to spotting details...

[Tratorix]

Tally:

Ichigo: 8 (Askthepizzaguy, pevergreen, Chaotix, Beskar, Jolt, Tratorix, gibsonsg91921, White_Eyes:D)
Roadrunner: 1 (Wile E. Coyote)

See, now ATPG isn't a problem because he's going to get Wrath of Khaan'd for messing with the tally. Bad Pizzaguy! :whip:

[Splitpersonality]

Vote: Roadrunner

Terrible ISP, I don't get even half the internet I pay for.



if ATPG is lying it only helps to reenforce his "diamond junk" credit.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I never lie.

[White_eyes:D]

But I really think ATPG and Beskar can make it to the end...even if there were 50 people...there just that good at fooling people:juggle2:

"I am now beating a dead horse":clown: as Pizzaguy would say and well wait for the lynch and night kills(maybe?)..Reenk, I could really use your help right now...:wall:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I wouldn't worry so much, White Eyes. The "he might fool me, but I won't let him fool me that badly" factor means I am dead next round. End of story.

[White_eyes:D]

If I were Mafia I would keep you around:wink:....just WIFOM talking...:laugh4:

And if you were wrong I WOULD REALLY keep you around (Insane detectives are a Mafia's best buddy:laugh4:)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Quit it, you're totally ruining my excuse for still being alive next round.

[Beskar]

Naughty Reenk Roink:

I kinda like to push Beskar's buttons

From the FAQ:

Sportsmanship expresses an aspiration or ethos that the activity will be enjoyed for its own sake, with proper consideration for fairness, ethics, respect, and a sense of fellowship with one's competitors.

:smash:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I like to push your buttons too, Beskar. :eyebrows:

[A Very Super Market]

I don't like rules. I'm killing Beskar tonight. I'm killing ALL of you! You never listen.

Harumph,

[TinCow]

Nice to see some progress. Well done ATPG. :bow:

[Death is yonder]

Vote:Ichigo

I suppose?


1. There's plenty of time left on the clock. Revealing this early just to lynch Ichigo of all people if I were a mafia makes no sense. The same strategy could be done next round. I wasn't really in danger of being lynched.
2. That being said, I do things that make no sense, out of sheer balls. That is why I am aware I have no credibility as a detective revealing, and am prepared to die next round. That should be good enough for you.
3. I am working with Beskar, but I've never made a secret about it. Given how much of a dead man walking I am, how long do you think he's going to live, if he were my mafia partner? Makes no sense.

I realize I do things which seem to make no sense, as a strategy, at times. But there's no way I'd abort our entire chance of winning the game by voluntarily revealing to the town we were both working together, as early as round 2, and then follow it up with a fake detective claim on round 5, with so many players left. It's a moron strategy. If I am as clever as you suggest, give me more credit.

The line is drawn finely between WIFOM and common sense, and I think that its just too implausible for the argument against ATPG.

He claimed that his ability was ambiguous though, but the results of the lynch should shed some light. :bow:

Edit:

Boom two deaths. Interesting. Sorry TC. I suspect several people. After I find out how everyone else feels I shall share my thoughts and see if that helps anyone.



There has been quite a lot of "how everyone else feels" already, time to share your thoughts, no?

[TinCow]

If ATPG is mafia, he will have to drop his kills to 1 until the end of the game to prevent from being instantly identified as a liar. Since there are still a lot of players left, that gives us a relatively long time to reach a verdict on ATPG. Don't judge him based on his survival or lack thereof next turn. Do so if he's still alive 3-4 turns from now. A mafioso can risk leaving a detective alive for a short period of time, but the longer the game goes on the greater the risk the detective will get a second positive result. In the current situation, the remaining mafioso will likely be IDed by ATPG before it becomes necessary for the town to start seriously considering him as a lynch contendor. So, leave ATPG alone and do what he says for the time being. We'll re-open the case on him if we ever see 2 kills after tonight or if he's still alive very, very late in the game.

[White_eyes:D]

If ATPG is mafia, he will have to drop his kills to 1 until the end of the game to prevent from being instantly identified as a liar. Since there are still a lot of players left, that gives us a relatively long time to reach a verdict on ATPG. Don't judge him based on his survival or lack thereof next turn. Do so if he's still alive 3-4 turns from now. A mafioso can risk leaving a detective alive for a short period of time, but the longer the game goes on the greater the risk the detective will get a second positive result. In the current situation, the remaining mafioso will likely be IDed by ATPG before it becomes necessary for the town to start seriously considering him as a lynch contendor. So, leave ATPG alone and do what he says for the time being. We'll re-open the case on him if we ever see 2 kills after tonight or if he's still alive very, very late in the game.
I totally agree with TinCow....I was just kicking up a fuss now so this way....you all are not going to say "Why didn't he warn us about ATPG when he had the chance?" later, I gave you guys the warning and that's it...:bow:

I can't agree or disagree with the Ichigo lynch....but if ATPG were Mafia he would have saw it too...:inquisitive:

[ULC]

Bah, killed? And I wanted to reveal eventually :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

At the risk of alienating my newfound friends in the townie world, are we certain that Shinseikhaan would drop the kills from 2 to 1? Hasn't there been games in the past, of Khaan's, where a sole mafia picked up the slack of his fallen partner and did 2 at once? Khaan is very careful not to leave obvious clues in his writeups, and I think he even goes as far as to not reveal the alignment of the fallen.

I appreciate the vote of confidence; I am just hoping it is still there tomorrow, that's all. :shame:

[Sigurd]

I just can't for the life of me understand why the Mafiosi have not off'ed ATPG and Beskar yet... Obviously they thought Reenk and YLC was the larger threat. :inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

They were interfering with my master plan.

Oh wait, this isn't private message. :wall:

[ULC]

I just can't for the life of me understand why the Mafiosi have not off'ed ATPG and Beskar yet... Obviously they thought Reenk and YLC was the larger threat. :inquisitive:

I kinda was, but I'm not allowed to reveal :\

[Reenk Roink]

Yeah, I played my own games, the PM I sent to White_eyes:D is 100% legit. I obviously can't do much anymore, so I'll leave you with these suggestions.

Kill Ichigo this round for obvious reasons.

Kill Atpg the next round. Sorry Atpg, I still believe you more than I don't, but the fact that I was killed this round (and YLC who always was nice enough to sell me my vote) puts a bit more suspicion on you.

Kill White_eyes:D the next round. There's the possibility that he offed me, knowing that he couldn't off Atpg without me squealing and now he's going to try to make Atpg look guilty.

Both Atpg and White_eyes:D should think this is reasonable if they are protown/town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I won't argue about being lynched next round, though I will advise against it for the most obvious of reasons. As for White_Eyes, he's packing some big ones if he's mafia. It's almost like he's begging to be investigated or lynched.

[Chaotix]

Yeah, I played my own games, the PM I sent to White_eyes:D is 100% legit. I obviously can't do much anymore, so I'll leave you with these suggestions.

Kill Ichigo this round for obvious reasons.

Kill Atpg the next round. Sorry Atpg, I still believe you more than I don't, but the fact that I was killed this round (and YLC who always was nice enough to sell me my vote) puts a bit more suspicion on you.

Kill White_eyes:D the next round. There's the possibility that he offed me, knowing that he couldn't off Atpg without me squealing and now he's going to try to make Atpg look guilty.

Both Atpg and White_eyes:D should think this is reasonable if they are protown/town.

The only qualm I would have with this is that ATPG is, most likely, our only investigator (especially if YLC was the other one, which he hinted at). I think we should give him at least a round or two to investigate for us, assuming the mafia doesn't off him.

As for white_eyes, his moves this round would completely make sense as a mafioso: he notices the detective reveal by ATPG; uses the wording in Reenk's pms to try and discredit him; this at the same time covers his back, by making him look like a trusted ally of Reenk, while pressing focus onto someone else. He needs to be lynched.

[Reenk Roink]

The only qualm I would have with this is that ATPG is, most likely, our only investigator (especially if YLC was the other one, which he hinted at). I think we should give him at least a round or two to investigate for us, assuming the mafia doesn't off him.

Fair enough. However, do not fall into the trap that TinCow suggests here:


So, leave ATPG alone and do what he says for the time being. We'll re-open the case on him if we ever see 2 kills after tonight or if he's still alive very, very late in the game.

...lest you forget the lessons of The Prometheus...

Atpg's detective reveal is even vaguer than mine, and he hasn't even posted a role PM. We know very little about his exact abilities, and that is suspicious in and of itself. You saw what I did, I said that the game mechanics themselves were changed to explain my situation ("Oh, I can't investigate anymore" :laugh4:). Atpg doesn't even have to contradict something about his role, as he has hidden it from us.


As for white_eyes, his moves this round would completely make sense as a mafioso: he notices the detective reveal by ATPG; uses the wording in Reenk's pms to try and discredit him; this at the same time covers his back, by making him look like a trusted ally of Reenk, while pressing focus onto someone else. He needs to be lynched.

I agree. But consider this.

If Atpg is telling the truth, than Ichigo is likely (not certainly, maybe he was a different role who visited YLC) a killer and hopefully Mafia. That means there is one less killer and hopefully one remaining Mafia. So if White eyes is Mafia, he very well potentially may be the last one.

On the other hand, if Atpg is lying and not only that, is Mafia, then there are most likely still two Mafia left.

I think for this pragmatic reason, Atpg should be lynched before White eyes. It should be done soon too, DO NOT leave this confusing-*** situation for the last rounds. :laugh4:

edit: Again, I believe Atpg, even cautiously. However, we have a chance to be pretty certain about this, let's take it. Sorry for going behind your back like that Atpg, but you have to admit, it was a good way of covering bases.

[TinCow]

Queueing up lynchings is bad idea. Deal with this round now and leave the decisions on next round until then. Stacking them three deep not only limits discussion, it's pretty much guaranteed to never work out.

[Beskar]

What is strange that White_Eyes:D is convinced there will be two kills again if Ichigo the Mafia is killed. Being bluntly honest, I think he knows far more about the Mafia than what it would be otherwise be known.

FOS: White_Eyes:D

[Reenk Roink]

Queueing up lynchings is bad idea. Deal with this round now and leave the decisions on next round until then. Stacking them three deep not only limits discussion, it's pretty much guaranteed to never work out.

What? :dizzy2:

I'm pretty sure the major thing that will be discussed in the next round is what happens to Atpg and maybe White_eyes:D.

And if drawing more immediacy on Atpg and White eyes and suggesting that they be the next lynches takes away from discussing someone much less suspicious like say Sigurd, than it's a darn good side effect.

[TinCow]

What? :dizzy2:

I'm pretty sure the major thing that will be discussed in the next round is what happens to Atpg and maybe White_eyes:D.

And if drawing more immediacy on Atpg and White eyes and suggesting that they be the next lynches takes away from discussing say Sigurd, than it's a darn good side effect.

Oh, please. Unless ATPG is killed or 2 kills show up you can't determine anything based on what happens. It's Mafia 101 to leave a detective alive for a short period of time to make the town lynch him. I would agree with lynching ATPG next if we were near the end-game, but we're not close to that if there's only 1 kill per night. Under the circumstances, I see no pressing need to lynch ATPG unless we get evidence to show he's a mafioso. If he is lying, he'll be lynched eventually. It's kind of hard to forget about someone who has publicly claimed to be a detective.

I see no possible benefit to killing ATPG next round. If he is mafioso, he'll have to limit his kills to pretend he's the detective. That alone works well for the town and gives us enough time to judge him. If he's the detective, lynching him is clearly a bad idea.

[Csargo]

It's ATPG and Beskar.

[Reenk Roink]

Oh, please. Unless ATPG is killed or 2 kills show up you can't determine anything based on what happens. It's Mafia 101 to leave a detective alive for a short period of time to make the town lynch him. I would agree with lynching ATPG next if we were near the end-game, but we're not close to that if there's only 1 kill per night. Under the circumstances, I see no pressing need to lynch ATPG unless we get evidence to show he's a mafioso. If he is lying, he'll be lynched eventually. It's kind of hard to forget about someone who has publicly claimed to be a detective.

I see no possible benefit to killing ATPG next round. If he is mafioso, he'll have to limit his kills to pretend he's the detective. That alone works well for the town and gives us enough time to judge him. If he's the detective, lynching him is clearly a bad idea.

Ah I see, you can stay in Mafia 101 if you wish. I hope the rest of the town is beyond that... :rolleyes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Gentlemen... you're both dead and innocent. Please be constructive.

[TinCow]

Ah I see, you can stay in Mafia 101 if you wish. I hope the rest of the town is beyond that... :rolleyes:

Please explain how leaving ATPG alive for a round or two is bad. I explained why I think it cannot hurt us. Present an argument about why this is a bad strategy. For some reason, rolleyes isn't too convincing.

[TinCow]

Gentlemen... you're both dead and innocent. Please be constructive.

Ah, sorry... didn't realize that arguing against the town lynching you was not constructive. I shall therefore refrain from defending you further. Good luck with that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ah, sorry... didn't realize that arguing against the town lynching you was not constructive. I shall therefore refrain from defending you further. Good luck with that.

I was referring to Reenk's comment (post 592) which I didn't feel was constructive.

I phrased it incorrectly.

[Reenk Roink]

Atpg, please post your role PM and all your investigations. There really isn't a reason not too, especially the latter. I'm flabbergasted why a detective who honestly was one would not post everything when he revealed himself. Unless you know you aren't going to die, that is...


Please explain how leaving ATPG alive for a round or two is bad

Changing your position?


Don't judge him based on his survival or lack thereof next turn. Do so if he's still alive 3-4 turns from now.


So, leave ATPG alone and do what he says for the time being. We'll re-open the case on him if we ever see 2 kills after tonight or if he's still alive very, very late in the game.


I would agree with lynching ATPG next if we were near the end-game

Bringing that up, you are better off here though, leaving him alive for a round or two is a much more reasonable idea than leaving him alive till endgame or even 3-4 rounds. It might even be more reasonable than my suggestion of killing him the next round. :balloon2:

The longer we leave him alive, the more people he may kill that would vote against him. Also, if there are two Mafia remaining, then it is much easier for them to go on killing one a day and trying to win by attrition.


For some reason, rolleyes isn't too convincing.

The rolleyes smiley is to show my reaction and your idea, it isn't meant to convince you, my previous posts on the matter were designed to be persuasive though they obviously failed to convince you.


I was referring to Reenk's comment (post 592) which I didn't feel was constructive.

And I disagree, if TinCow is really adamant in expecting such a simplistic string of events to occur despite the fact that it has been clearly exploited by Mafia before, than I feel I should warn the town by showing my absolute disgust of the idea.

[Askthepizzaguy]

In the rules, it states: NO QUOTING HOST PM's.

And, I do NOT feel it prudent to reveal all the other investigatees yet. You won't convince me of that.

[White_eyes:D]

Reenk was able to bull:daisy: town for over 5 rounds was it?? (The Prometheus was a townie disaster for that reason...:shame:) guess who his Mafia buddy's were?? (ATPG and Khaan)

I think what Reenk is saying is that he well keep his Info limited to keep town guessing and lynching themselves...:no:

No 100% guarantee? he was even PMing Reenk behind everyone's back...The only time he has ever done that....is when he has been Mafia...:juggle2:

Edit:Well, I have no problem being lynched to be honest:shrug: You disappoint me Reenk....but you were just covering all your bases:cry2:

[Reenk Roink]

In the rules, it states: NO QUOTING HOST PM's.

And, I do NOT feel it prudent to reveal all the other investigatees yet. You won't convince me of that.

For the first part, it's very easy, actually tell us your role name and your abilities without quoting?

For the second part very suspicious that a detective doesn't do that and makes a dogmatic statement that he won't be convinced otherwise.

Why not? After all, if you really are detective, than your life is very well in danger. You know you cant reveal once dead. You must treally be betting for the Mafia to leave you alone? Or maybe you are Mafia?

But maybe you're just being unhelpful and don't want to give the town of names that may be potentially cleared. Great play? :no: :rolleyes:

[Reenk Roink]

Edit:Well, I have no problem being lynched to be honest:shrug: You disappoint me Reenk....but you were just covering all your bases:cry2:

I picked you to spill the beans when I got a gut feeling of my demise for a third reason. You're a loose cannon. Loved the cultist bit. :laugh4: :2thumbsup:

If you're on my side (town) you won't be surprised or feel bad for being "thrown under the bus" :wink:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Reenk-

If you would refrain from crucifying me for one moment, consider this.

I reveal all the confirmed innocents. Guess who dies first? People I haven't investigated, or people I have? I would prefer to protect their identities. I have informed people who the innocents are, so in the event of my death, it is known. That would be better play in my opinion. I would prefer to keep known innocents alive as long as possible, something I stated to you explicitly in my reveal to you a few days ago. This is not news. It is my policy.

If you would like me to restate what my role is, instead of quoting, here it is: I am a watcher, as I told you in my reveal. I can't detect guilt, only activity and what that activity is. An inactive mafia would therefore not be revealed. That's all I have to say without quoting the PM. What more were you expecting?

As a confirmed innocent, I value your opinion, but I won't follow advice which I consider to be in bad judgment. I did everything I am allowed and required to do in this situation and thensome, there's nothing more I can do. If the town decides it wants all my information regarding the innocents now, then I'd need more support for that idea, and I strongly advise against it.

[TinCow]

Changing your position?

It's called compromising. I said 3-4 turns, you said immediately. So, I modified my position to be between the two to try and find a middle ground.

[Reenk Roink]

I'm not crucifying you, I'm being cautious, more so given the kill choices and your behavior. Imagine had I not told White eyes about you, you would have somewhat of a free ride as Mafia (thank God for the gut). :wall:


I reveal all the confirmed innocents. Guess who dies first? People I haven't investigated, or people I have? I would prefer to protect their identities. I have informed people who the innocents are, so in the event of my death, it is known. That would be better play in my opinion. I would prefer to keep known innocents alive as long as possible, something I stated to you explicitly in my reveal to you a few days ago. This is not news. It is my policy.

This has already been considered by me and yet the benefit of this does not come close to outweighing the harms of not telling us imo.

By revealing, sure the people are almost cleared and good targets for kills, but on the other hand, the focus on the Mafia drops nearly a third (including yourself and White eyes). There is then ample time to analyze these people and be able to ignore other potential misleads that may occur should you not reveal.

As the population gets less and less, the probable innocents become less important to hide anyway, and focusing on a subset of people gets more important.


If you would like me to restate what my role is, instead of quoting, here it is: I am a watcher, as I told you in my reveal. I can't detect guilt, only activity and what that activity is. An inactive mafia would therefore not be revealed. That's all I have to say without quoting the PM. What more were you expecting?

To be quite honest the name watcher just sounds off given the theme of this game. Thanks for the other info though. :bow:

[White_eyes:D]

You're a loose cannon. Loved the cultist bit. :laugh4: :2thumbsup:

If you're on my side (town) you won't be surprised or feel bad for being "thrown under the bus" :wink:

I admit you made me laugh....:laugh4: Fine, I am tired of this anyway...I just wish you would be able to tell when I am not Mafia for once:clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

This has already been considered by me and yet the benefit of this does not come close to outweighing the harms of not telling us imo.

By revealing, sure the people are almost cleared and good targets for kills, but on the other hand, the focus on the Mafia drops nearly a third (including yourself and White eyes). There is then ample time to analyze these people and be able to ignore other potential misleads that may occur should you not reveal.

Next round, if we are on the way to lynching an innocent, I will speak up and say nay nay. Then we will avoid lynching a townie, and unless that situation happens, I don't feel the need to divulge it. Keeps the mafia guessing. The info will be known by any critical round. It certainly wouldn't be prudent to reveal it this round, out of all the options I feel that is the weakest.

That's my call.


As the population gets less and less, the probable innocents become less important to hide anyway, and focusing on a subset of people gets more important.

I disagree. The fewer people there are, the more valuable known/probably innocent players are, as they form a greater and greater percentage of the vote.


To be quite honest the name watcher just sounds off given the theme of this game. Thanks for the other info though. :bow:

You're welcome, though I revealed all of that in my original messages to you; I did speak of the limitation of the ability. White_Eyes posted it, so it is there for all to see.

[TinCow]

This has already been considered by me and yet the benefit of this does not come close to outweighing the harms of not telling us imo.

By revealing, sure the people are almost cleared and good targets for kills, but on the other hand, the focus on the Mafia drops nearly a third (including yourself and White eyes). There is then ample time to analyze these people and be able to ignore other potential misleads that may occur should you not reveal.

This isn't an either/or case. We can still get ATPG's information after he's dead without breaking the rules. If ATPG is murdered, he can still easily prevent us from lynching someone he cleared before he died. He can just say "Lynching XXX would be a very bad idea" or something similar. If he's murdered, he will have been cleared from suspicion as a mafioso and we will thus believe what he says. You saw how effective this type of play was by GH in your own Settlement game. If it worked there, there's no reason it can't work here.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Personally, I think that if ATPG were lying, he would have worked harder to appear genuine. Overloaded us with information and dared us to call him out on it. The amount he's given us speaks of someone who is truthful but doesn't want to play his entire hand for us.

Also, um, Lynch: Beskar

[Chaotix]

Personally, I think that if ATPG were lying, he would have worked harder to appear genuine. Overloaded us with information and dared us to call him out on it. The amount he's given us speaks of someone who is truthful but doesn't want to play his entire hand for us.

Also, um, Lynch: Beskar

I'd actually like to know how ATPG knows Beskar is innocent. From what I've gathered, he doesn't have complete investigative abilities, and Beskar doesn't have an ability at all. So why is Beskar still hanging around?

Lynching Beskar may be a good idea in the future. Particularly, if ATPG continues to protest, we'll know we've hit something- because now that it's been revealed Beskar was a cover-up, he's more or less useless and suspicious anyway.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Particularly, if ATPG continues to protest, we'll know we've hit something

?

Your intentions may be good, but if you're attempting to test me, it may be wise not to telegraph your strategy to me, because that renders the results invalid. Reenk Roink didn't tell me he was going to test me.

[Chaotix]

?

Your intentions may be good, but if you're attempting to test me, it may be wise not to telegraph your strategy to me, because that renders the results invalid. Reenk Roink didn't tell me he was going to test me.

:shrug:

Who said it was a test? Maybe we're just going to lynch Beskar because we feel he's suspicious anyway. After all, you've still deigned not to tell us why you trust him so much.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Who said it was a test?

"If Pizzaguy does this, we will know that"

If you tell me this, then if I were mafia with Beskar being my partner, I would simply not protest. You've told me how to manipulate the circumstances, which means it doesn't really reveal any new information.
I trust Beskar as much as I trust you. The difference is, he hasn't been voting for me.

[Reenk Roink]

Next round, if we are on the way to lynching an innocent, I will speak up and say nay nay. Then we will avoid lynching a townie, and unless that situation happens, I don't feel the need to divulge it. Keeps the mafia guessing. The info will be known by any critical round. It certainly wouldn't be prudent to reveal it this round, out of all the options I feel that is the weakest.

This presupposes you live...


This isn't an either/or case. We can still get ATPG's information after he's dead without breaking the rules. If ATPG is murdered, he can still easily prevent us from lynching someone he cleared before he died. He can just say "Lynching XXX would be a very bad idea" or something similar. If he's murdered, he will have been cleared from suspicion as a mafioso and we will thus believe what he says. You saw how effective this type of play was by GH in your own Settlement game. If it worked there, there's no reason it can't work here.

Good enough point if this is allowed under khaan, but if I was a host who didn't allow reveals after death I would not allow Atpg to do this. (in the Settlement I couldn't find a great compromise between what I should allow the dead to do so I gave them basically unrestricted privileges).

Khaan, can you please clarify what and what is not allowed in terms of dead reveals in this game. Is the above type of thing allowed?


Lynching Beskar may be a good idea in the future. Particularly, if ATPG continues to protest, we'll know we've hit something- because now that it's been revealed Beskar was a cover-up, he's more or less useless and suspicious anyway.

I think from what I gathered from my correspondence with Atpg, Beskar has already been investigated. It leaves a round of investigation uncounted for (Reenk at least once, Beskar at least once, Ichigo twice).


You're welcome, though I revealed all of that in my original messages to you; I did speak of the limitation of the ability. White_Eyes posted it, so it is there for all to see.

Yes, but that was to me privately, and though White eyes revealed my PM's all the information was hidden in the mass of text when it could be easily given out in the open. Your reveal seemed piecemeal and selective.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've already revealed all my information to other townies. If I die, the information stays with a living player. I won't have to postmortem reveal.

[Reenk Roink]

I've already revealed all my information to other townies. If I die, the information stays with a living player. I won't have to postmortem reveal.

You said to me you revealed to one other townie (everything too). Now then, I'm really strongly guessing given all the hints and context you've given us, that Beskar was one of your investigations. We have 3 and probably 4 of your investigations counted for. I'm dead, Ichigo you say is Mafia. That leaves at most two townies to give your information to, and you've said you've given full information to one. I already believe it's Beskar too.

Given that the Mafia can kill twice in a round as we've seen, if you are wrong about Ichigo, or his death is meaningless to the amount of kills, than the Mafia can very possibly kill you AND your townie contact on the same night (and if it's Beskar, than it's 2ez).

This system really won't work for long unless khaan allows you to drop obvious hints from the dead as TinCow suggested.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If it were that easy, it should remove a lot of questions as to my guilt or innocence next round. That spares you a lot of contentious debate which will likely lead to a bad lynch. That's less bad news, which is always a good thing.

[TinCow]

Something that is worth noting is that Ichigo has made pretty much no effort to defend himself. Despite his uber-lurker status, he was sufficiently aware of the situation to post this:


It's ATPG and Beskar.

That doesn't much strike me as the response of a townie who was being framed by a fake detective reveal. Those tend to incite :furious3: that are longer than four words. Under the circumstances, Ichigo's behavior is even stronger evidence against him (and for ATPG) than ATPG's own accusations.

[Reenk Roink]

If it were that easy, it should remove a lot of questions as to my guilt or innocence next round. That spares you a lot of contentious debate which will likely lead to a bad lynch. That's less bad news, which is always a good thing.

No doubt. I am hoping you're offed next round. White eyes would be cherry on the top. With your distractions gone, and Ichigo nailed as at least a killer if not Mafia, I think the town sails to an easy win from now on.

However, I get the feeling that's not going to happen. Either you are Mafia or the Mafia wants us to think so, and I can't decide on which is the better option.

Ergo the lynching you (and White eyes) soon. Getting rid of the distraction ourselves.

TC: Ichigo has generally done the "It's ___________" before for what it's worth.

[seireikhaan]

No circumventing the rules, please.

[Askthepizzaguy]

After checking with the host I confirmed that I cannot suggest any particular player is innocent post-mortem. However, I will still be allowed to participate and offer my opinions on who is scummy.

I'm weighing my options regarding the other investigatee. I'll have to reveal, probably.

[Csargo]

Something that is worth noting is that Ichigo has made pretty much no effort to defend himself. Despite his uber-lurker status, he was sufficiently aware of the situation to post this:



That doesn't much strike me as the response of a townie who was being framed by a fake detective reveal. Those tend to incite :furious3: that are longer than four words. Under the circumstances, Ichigo's behavior is even stronger evidence against him (and for ATPG) than ATPG's own accusations.

Today is the first time I've been online since the 24th. ATPG is saying I killed YLC last night which is impossible considering I haven't logged on until today. Have a nice day!:grin:

[Chaotix]

Something that is worth noting is that Ichigo has made pretty much no effort to defend himself. Despite his uber-lurker status, he was sufficiently aware of the situation to post this:



That doesn't much strike me as the response of a townie who was being framed by a fake detective reveal. Those tend to incite :furious3: that are longer than four words. Under the circumstances, Ichigo's behavior is even stronger evidence against him (and for ATPG) than ATPG's own accusations.

Then again, knowing the way Ichigo plays lately, that's probably all he would do even if he were innocent, too.

:juggle2:

[Beskar]

Today is the first time I've been online since the 24th. ATPG is saying I killed YLC last night which is impossible considering I haven't logged on until today. Have a nice day!:grin:

Lets look at this.

Since the Night Phase ended, just today (well, very early today) and you are here. You could have still submitted your order, hence how you are here now to say you didn't do it. Right? So you are here to comment about the night phase, etc.

Also, you say you haven't been on. The phase before, the Mafia for whatever reason, mysteriously did not kill. You weren't around here then, also, didn't vote or anything like that.

Coincidence?

[Chaotix]

There's nothing saying khaan wouldn't accept orders from slightly more active teammates, either. It's certainly not uncommon for a scum-partner to submit orders for his ally if he cannot do it himself.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Let's look at this:

Ichigo is either guilty of being mafia or I am guilty of lying. Either way, dead scum.

[TinCow]

Today is the first time I've been online since the 24th. ATPG is saying I killed YLC last night which is impossible considering I haven't logged on until today. Have a nice day!:grin:

Yes, I did notice that your post count across the forums dropped suddenly right at the exact same time that this game began. Interesting coincidence.

[TinCow]

I pondered this on the way to work this morning. Despite my previous statements, there's something about this that isn't sitting right with me. Simply put, Ichigo seems like an odd choice for an investigation last night. Of all the people to investigate, he just seems... unlikely. Given the last few days events, would anyone else have picked him? It also conveniently coincides with the first double kill last night, which, combined with ATPG's claim of an 'uncertain' detective ability is almost too good to be true.

I still support Ichigo's lynch here, but I'm beginning to come around to Reenk's thought process on this. Perhaps it would be best to remove ATPG next round just to make sure.

[atheotes]

for what its worth I would have investigated Ichigo... I remember Swords in the moon and how Ichigo completely slipped under the radar... :shrug:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I pondered this on the way to work this morning. Despite my previous statements, there's something about this that isn't sitting right with me. Simply put, Ichigo seems like an odd choice for an investigation last night. Of all the people to investigate, he just seems... unlikely. Given the last few days events, would anyone else have picked him? It also conveniently coincides with the first double kill last night, which, combined with ATPG's claim of an 'uncertain' detective ability is almost too good to be true.

I still support Ichigo's lynch here, but I'm beginning to come around to Reenk's thought process on this. Perhaps it would be best to remove ATPG next round just to make sure.

I won't protest about the lynch, because I know many will support it in a "covering our butt" move even though I am innocent. However,

Ichigo? Yeah, he is a great investigation. Here is why: I had been telling you guys in-thread that Ichigo was lurking, and gave an excuse for not showing up. This, as you yourself noted, Tincow, was conveniently synchronous with the start of this game. After my protestations, he failed to get a single vote on him besides myself. That means Ichigo has "staying power". He's not voting enough to tick off the mafia, and he's gaining absolutely no suspicion. I investigate him, and he turns out to be innocent, he just became my best bleeping friend. Because I know he's going to live until the end of the game at this rate. Someone else was aware that Ichigo was going to be investigated that night due to a leak in the TIN. That night, there were zero kills. The next night, seeing as how I can't detect a mafia who didn't do anything, I re-investigated him. Guilty this time.

The motives for picking certain people are obvious. Why choose someone who nearly got lynched or is gathering suspicion? They are likely lynched soon. Investigating dead people does us no good, and I wouldn't reveal just to confirm someone's innocence.

Make sure if you must. But it is a wasted lynch, that is all I can say.

[seireikhaan]

Round is over. Seems most likely Ichigo was lynched. Writeup won't be posted for a few hours. I'll take any night orders starting now.

[Reenk Roink]

Note how despite arguing (quite spuriously imo) against revealing the rest of the investigations, Atpg has verbally said in the thread "I'll have to reveal, probably" and yet we still have nothing a long time after that statement.

Now that TinCow's suggestion of post mortem hints has been explicitly forbidden by khaan, I don't really see the need to keep us in the dark or keep us waiting... :inquisitive:

Also, note from Atpg's PM to me after I tested him, that he seemed then willing to give me the investigation results.


However, it would be tactically beneficial for me to take me up on your offer to "reveal" for me.

So what happened now? Why the change in opinion? It can't seriously be to hide yourself anymore, as you have claimed.


I pondered this on the way to work this morning. Despite my previous statements, there's something about this that isn't sitting right with me. Simply put, Ichigo seems like an odd choice for an investigation last night. Of all the people to investigate, he just seems... unlikely. Given the last few days events, would anyone else have picked him? It also conveniently coincides with the first double kill last night, which, combined with ATPG's claim of an 'uncertain' detective ability is almost too good to be true.

I still support Ichigo's lynch here, but I'm beginning to come around to Reenk's thought process on this. Perhaps it would be best to remove ATPG next round just to make sure.

Well, given what I would do with the power, Ichigo seems a reasonable enough choice in that I think it's best especially early on to investigate those players who haven't had much exposed about them in the main thread.

With that being said, if the speculation that Beskar is one of the investigations, than Atpg had investigated two really active in thread players. Given that he has failed to give us the third, it's still hard to see if we can draw a disconnect between Ichigo and other investigations though, so take that with a grain of salt.

What I think is more odd is the fact that he investigated Ichigo twice. Yes, he can use the reason that given that there wasn't a kill, maybe Ichigo was active, but the same exact reasoning could be used on me (given that there was 1 kill, maybe I was inactive). He didn't bother to check me twice before contacting me with his role.


I won't protest about the lynch, because I know many will support it in a "covering our butt" move even though I am innocent. However,

Make sure if you must. But it is a wasted lynch, that is all I can say.

On the contrary. Your lynch would be beneficial to the town even if you are proven later to be who you say you are. This is because as of now, the context of the game and yourself is one of high confusion and doubt.

Your behavior as detective and watcher is very questionable in several areas thoroughly exposed since your reveal and outside factors such as the kill choices also contribute to the suspicion against you.

Frankly, I believe the two strongest options for who you are are:

1) Mafia
2) Investigatory role who is trying to look suspicious enough to stay alive but is failing by going to the other extreme

Both of these lynches would do good. The first for obvious reasons, the second because at this point, you are causing more detriment to the town with the uncertain nature of yourself. You are a source of confusion at this point, and that outweighs the potential benefit you might have of investigating. The longer you live, the more doubt and uncertainty you cause, and also the more dangerous you become if you really are Mafia (as your partner is probably alive at this point).

Lastly, does it not seem really odd to anyone else that in many of Atpg's posts he implies he will live this coming night... :inquisitive:

We have some time left. Why not take the safe play now and lynch Atpg next round or the one after that if he lives, and then go back to finding the other bad guy(s)?

Can you think of anyone who has a better reason for voting against? The only one on that level is White eyes.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh boy, some people are so impatient. :laugh4:

I'm on top of things, Reenk. Just cool your heels. :2thumbsup:

[seireikhaan]

Today was rather different day at the council. Immediately upon its pronouncement by Shinzei, a man immediately stood up and declared to all that he had seen Ichigo kill one of the last night's dead, or at least was leaving the tent. Ichigo at first made no response to such an accusation, and immediately, many else in the camp jumped on the accusation, chanting for his merciless execution as a spy. Shinzei, however, demanded that the council follow the letter of its rule, and last until the sun began to set. With not much else to discuss, several tribesmen decided to go for a ride and took off for a while, figuring the decision was inevitable. As the day dragged on, Ichigo remained silent, until very late, when he finally opened his eyes and smiled a bit. He stated he'd not even been in the camp last night, and as such, couldn't have killed anyone. However, the other tribesmen were unimpressed, and the general anxiety for his lynch would remain until sunset. Of course, this all made my job of keeping track of the most accused most easy for the council's purpose. When the day was finished, Shinzei asked for a recitation of both those who wished for Ichigo's death, as well as those who did not establish a position. When he noted that a man named Lord Winter had failed to speak up once again, he demanded of the others where he was. Incidentally, Lord Winter was riding past the camp on his pony as Shinzei made his query, and was quickly pointed out. Shinzei grabbed his bow, nocked an arrow, and let it fly at Lord Winter, who was riding very far away. Amazingly, the arrow struck true, directly through the back of the man's head, and the camp could see his body slowly slump off the horse in the distance. Shinzei muttered something about useless pieces of flesh... With that out of the way, Ichigo was presented to his executor. Ichigo stood in front of Shinzei, a scowl beginning to grow across his face. However, when Shinzei pulled his sword from its sheath, the doomed man did not twitch. Shinzei took hold of the sword in two hands, and made an upwards plunge into Ichigo's chest. With the sword embedded, Shinzei then made a vicious ripping motion to the right, causing the rib cage to explode in a repugnant display of blood, bone, and organs. Shinzei motioned to a few tribesmen to carry the carcass outside the camp, then dismissed us for the night.

-- The Record of Zhang Qian


Ichigo: 9 (Askthepizzaguy, pevergreen, Chaotix, Beskar, Jolt, Tratorix, gibsonsg91921, White_Eyes:D, Death is Yonder)

Roadrunner: 1(splitpersonality)

Not Voting: WAY TOO MANY :stare:(Ichigo, A Very Super Market, Caius, DJgingivitis, Khazaar, Lord Winter, Sigurd, Tratorix)



Alive: 15

Askthepizzaguy
A Very Super Market
Beskar
Caius
Chaotix
Death is Yonder
DJGingivtis
Gibsonsg91921
Jolt
Khazaar
Lord Winter
pevergreen
Sigurd
Tratorix
White_eyes:D

Dead: 5

Yaropolk (N1)
Atheotes (N2)
GeneralHankerchief (N3)
Reenk Roink (N5)
YLC (N5)

Lynched: 4

FactionHeir (D1)
Beefy (D2)
Splitpersonality (D3)
TinCow (D4)
Ichigo (D5)

WoK'd: 1

Lord Winter (D5)


WOK BAIT: Caius


TAKING ORDERS NOW.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Reenk Roink be dead, sire!

He's not dead, he's just resting. He's got wonderful plumage.

[pevergreen]

I :laugh4:'d.

[A Very Super Market]

Kill him again! I didn't kill him enough last time!

[Jolt]

I :laugh4:'d.

Me too!

[seireikhaan]

~:doh:

[Reenk Roink]

If you're going to kill someone other than Atpg or White eyes this coming day, just go ahead and give AVSM what he wants... :shrug:

Sorry for my inactivity khaan, I'll try to participate more in the voting next round. :clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Personally, Reenk, I'd very much like it if the mafia targeted you tonight. No hard feelings, right? :laugh4:

I made appropriate changes to my post. :wink:

...Six?

:balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2:

[seireikhaan]

Umm. Sorry if therre might be a slight, uh, delay in getting the night writeup(s) posted. I'm donw with family in missourie right now, and am smashed on whiskey. Give it just a slight bit logner please.

[DJGingivitis]

You drunk. haha that would be an interesting write up however.

[Jolt]

I'm sure such a write-up would involve an epic battle between the assassined person(s), the assassin(s), and dragons dwarves and elves and aliens all seeking to gain surpremacy in the khaan encampment.

[Caius]

I'm sure such a write-up would involve an epic battle between the assassined person(s), the assassin(s), and dragons dwarves and elves and aliens all seeking to gain surpremacy in the khaan encampment.
Don't forget the octosquids.

[Askthepizzaguy]

All right... I should have been dead by now, but while I'm still alive, I guess I can answer your questions now regarding who was investigated.

[seireikhaan]

Jolt figured out what was really up with all these recent deaths. Not who was the spy, of course, but he did piece one thing together. All those killed were in their tent at their moment of demise. So, Jolt figured, he could avoid the killers by simply avoiding his tent. It was flawless. So, when the council was finished, Jolt hopped very quickly back to his tent to make sure that things were in order, then jaunted over to where his horse was tied up, and hopped on. He gave his steed a gentle urging to go a slight pace, them rested his chest and head down upon the horse's back. He drifted off into a gentle sleep atop his magnificent beast....

A man was crouched outside of the bounds of the camp. He witnessed someone sneaking out of the tent for a nice ride. He could see the horse trotting along the steppe in the moonlight given off by the clear night sky. The man put an arrow to his bow, then swiveled his head for a few seconds around the camp. He then turned his head back to the steed in the distance. He drew back his bow string, and let an arrow fly. The arrow missed off slighly, but still struck the horse just above its front right shoulder. The horse took a frontal nose dive as the man nocked another arrow.

*WHAM*
Jolt was jolted awake by a harsh blow to his face. He was scattered on the ground with his horse, which was winnying and thrashing in pain. In the confusion, Jolt just managed to extricate himself from the animal, scrambled away and stood up. No sooner had he done just that when he heard a faint twanging in the distance, followed by a quaint whistle. Unsure of what was about, Jolt merely stood his ground, until he felt an arrow lodge itself at the base of his neck. The force behind the arrow nocked him to the ground. Jolt lay beside his wounded, thrashing animal, blood pouring from his own wound as he gave a similar performance. Finally, after a few minutes, Jolt lay still beside the panicked animal....


A good fire. Warmth. That was all people really needed, Chaotix theorized. That was all we really need in this life. People, they betray you. Food and drink are fleeting. So Chaotix sat in his tent, a blanket around his shoulder, his eyes closed, and enjoyed the simple warmth of the flames. He heard his tent open up, and gave a peak out from under his eyelids. A man was standing there, sword in hand. Chaotix merely sat in place, unmoving. "If this is to be the time of my death, than so be it," he said aloud. The man tilted his head a bit in puzzlment, but went forward. Sword in both hands, he gave a mighty swing, and severed Chaotix's head in a single swing. Before leaving, he laid the blanket over the body.






When I was awakened the next morning by the rising sun once more, I felt a slightly queasy. Men were rushing to and fro. More deaths, it seems, had occured during the night. I packed my brush and paper and set off for the council in a hurry. Most strange, however, was that when I arrived, Shinzei was not there. I took a position by myself on the outskirts of where the tribesmen were congregating. After what seemed like an eternity passed by, Shinzei was finally spotted as he lumbered over to the council. He was visibly not feeling well. He was slightly hunched over and had a hand on his head. He sat down at his usual position, and I then sat down next to him. I asked him what had happened to him, curious as to what had caused his apparent predicament. He took a very long time in moving his face to meet mine, and gave me an irritated glare. He informed me that I would most likely not desire to know. Then he turned his head back, and threw a hand into the air to signal the council's beginning.

--The Record of Zhang Qian


Alive: 12

Askthepizzaguy
A Very Super Market
Beskar
Caius
Death is Yonder
DJGingivtis
Gibsonsg91921
Khazaar
pevergreen
Sigurd
Tratorix
White_eyes:D

Dead: 7

Yaropolk (N1)
Atheotes (N2)
GeneralHankerchief (N3)
Reenk Roink (N5)
YLC (N5)
Chaotix (N6
Jolt (N6)

Lynched: 5

FactionHeir (D1)
Beefy (D2)
Splitpersonality (D3)
TinCow (D4)
Ichigo (D5)

WoK'd: 1

Lord Winter


BEGIN DAY PHASE! 36 HOURS. PLEASE KEEP A RUNNING TALLY.

[gibsonsg91921]

This calls for a round of spaghetti and meatballs.

Vote: Khazaar because you haven't made a splash either way and something is fishy.

[Beskar]

If I were Mafia I would keep you around:wink:....just WIFOM talking...:laugh4:

And if you were wrong I WOULD REALLY keep you around (Insane detectives are a Mafia's best buddy:laugh4:)


As long as your not going to spam the thread, I don't mind:tongue:

It is set in stone for Ichigo:smash: Why I even bothered to warn town is beyond me..:shrug:

Vote:Ichigo



I played Khaans games before and he doesn't
cut a mafia's kills just because one is lynched...I also think you guys were trying to swap that under the rug as well...truth is, there is no way to know if you are telling the truth or not..



If the kills keep up and ATPG is lying, we only have 11 people left at a rate of 2 kills per night=
We only have three lynchs left if it stays at 2 kills (which I think is a high possibility but after posting this I just rendered that useless or at best WIFOM:juggle2:)

Ichigo is gone, I don't care but don't forget ATPG's behavior up to this point....that is all I ask:smash:


These plus a lot of other posts look like White_Eyes:D framed AskthePizzaGuy up for a lynch, in otherwords, gets in another round at least of survival. He was sure AskthePizzaGuy will get lynched over this, hence why he survived the night.

White_Eyes:D knew the kills would be the same, regardless whether or not the Mafia went down. I believe the detective reveal of Ichigo to be genuine hence why White_Eyes:D revealed all he had against AskthePizzaGuy to get him deader than a dodo.

So all in all, this is just a round where the Mafia set up the lynch target to the town, so they get a free pass.

Vote: White_Eyes:D

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am not totally convinced of that. DJGingivitis just messaged me asking to spill the beans. I think he has a legitimate point. I really think the townies need to decide if I reveal all my information now.

White_Eyes looks scummy, and he's been a total pain in my side, but that's too simple an explanation. I am not voting until we have this discussion about my reveal. Some townies do not want me to reveal everything I know, and some do.

I'm not happy.

[Jolt]

ATPG & White_Eyes are the ones who should die in my opinion.

[Reenk Roink]

I am not totally convinced of that. DJGingivitis just messaged me asking to spill the beans. I think he has a legitimate point. I really think the townies need to decide if I reveal all my information now.

White_Eyes looks scummy, and he's been a total pain in my side, but that's too simple an explanation. I am not voting until we have this discussion about my reveal. Some townies do not want me to reveal everything I know, and some do.

I'm not happy.

Oh come on Pizza, how many more posts of discussion do you want? Is there anything left to discuss? We discussed hypothetical scenarios to death before khaan killed them all and said no post mortem hinting allowed.

Now then, to make up for all my inactivity and lost voting:

Vote: Atpg
Vote: Atpg
Vote: Atpg
Vote: Atpg
Vote: Atpg

:clown:

[Beskar]

I don't see the much of the case against PizzaGuy. If anything, I think White_Eyes:D basically outright told everyone he was the Mafia. He spoke about charging up kills, how the kills won't drop if one mafia dies. He also tried to scum PizzaGuy up the wall with his posts against him and defending Ichigo, an exposed Mafia.

What more is there to say? it is an obvious framing ploy by White_Eyes:D to get him lynched.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Good discussion, Reenk.

vote: Askthepizzaguy

[Askthepizzaguy]

Bah, scratch that, having a sarcastic attitude never helps matters. I feel that unless you lynch me, there will always be a question as to my innocence or guilt. And you won't be able to move on unless that curiosity is satisfied. However, it is still a wasted lynch and there could be two mafia remaining. I could be getting false results. The dead are calling for my head, and I don't blame them. Even my supporters last round ended up wavering and decided I should die this round.

And so, I shall. I've already made the information available to a couple of townies, and they know what's up. I am ready to die. For town! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_iz8z2AGw)

:titanic:

[White_eyes:D]

No...I am totally all for getting lynched:yes: (If only to make Beskar eat his words:2thumbsup:...vote away:bow:)
Vote:White_eyes:D

[Askthepizzaguy]

come now, White_Eyes. You wanted me lynched all game. Now's your chance.

[White_eyes:D]

I know you will follow me shortly....:smash:
So it's ok this time...besides...I can't see why town is being slow right now??:dizzy2:

[Askthepizzaguy]

All right, White_Eyes, let's see how much of a townie you are. I'm sending you my information.

You just keep your vote right where it is, though. Then, after you see the info, tell me what I'm supposed to do.

[White_eyes:D]

Man?? I feel like a boned fish...first Reenk...now you??:dizzy2: (Your lying and withholding Information screwed town...BOTH you and Reenk:stare:)

Just lynch me so I don't need to deal with this:wall:

I looked it over and I just don't see why you would do this if you were town or EVEN mafia...(It's too much for even me to suck in:laugh4:)

[Askthepizzaguy]

well that's a start.

In my opinion, it was a good idea on paper, but now it's just a big pile of stinky WIFOM. Even I don't know what to do at this point. It's a bit too suicidal for you, because you would be the last mafia and now you'd have to obviously backtrack after I vote for you, giving you 3 votes. Those are some pretty big diamonds. I wouldn't put it past him though, it's a good plan because it buys him time. But it could just as easily be a townie move. And so I don't know what to do.

There's too much WIFOM here for me to think straight.

unvote, vote: Caius

Lurking, voted only for TinCow and myself, no discussion.

[White_eyes:D]

I am willing to bet town is boned...:shame:

If I were a betting man...I would say you and Beskar are Mafia and it's all a play to buy more time:wink:

But I well keep in mind, what you said about the "guilty party":bow:

I don't trust you ATPG...because you won't vote for me, basically telling me you are trying to keep around lynch bait...:bounce: (over paranoid?? maybe..but I know you and Beskar would go to any lengths to fool town..and you just may do it:bow:)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't trust you either, White_Eyes. But it just seems wayyy too obvious to me. You went to all those lengths to discredit me, and you were basically the only one to do so. And you've been after me all game. So... it's not a very sophisticated way of getting me killed.

I don't know, I was just expecting more out of you if you were mafia. I didn't peg you for going the frame me strategy. Maybe I just don't want to believe it. And frankly, if this was your plan, it still takes guts to stick to it while it's blowing up in your face.

To me, I'd rather go after someone who's avoiding attention rather than embracing it. No lurker victories.

[DJGingivitis]

Vote: Beskar
For too long has he stayed alive. He is the devil. He is 666.:wink3:

[White_eyes:D]

I guess the Reason ultimate reason, I don't trust you....is why defend Beskar if you know all that??:whip:

You know town is running out of time....and your not this trusting as a townie:no:

you would have had Beskar and his partner lynched....Cauis is not even close to one of the suspects you mentioned...:inquisitive:

[gibsonsg91921]

Unvote, Vote: Beskar

I believe ATPG. For now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@WE

Way back when, I put forward the benefit of the doubt thing. Someone approaches me and tells me they are such and such, please save my butt. I go, "okay, but..."

Tick tock. Tick tock. There's only so much leeway I am willing to give someone. I helped him stay alive long enough to point the finger at someone. That's as far as I'm willing to go; now the game is half over, and I'm not willing to be anyone's pawn anymore. I'm willing to be lynched for my part in this, but as I said, I'm not going down without the truth being known.

There was something to be gained by the secrecy, there was a chance I was doing something right to spare our detective. But there's an equal chance this is all a scam. So, town needs to be informed and needs to decide what's the best move. It's not my choice anymore.

edit: as for Sigurd, he came wayyy too close to being lynched and no one really flinched.


edit2: Oh man, nice coincidence with the post number.

[DJGingivitis]

YOU ARE THE DEVIL TOO! also caps lock means I automatically win at the internet.

[gibsonsg91921]

Or as my friend said, caps lock is the cruise control of cool.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There's two options here: he's lying or he's telling the truth.

It's still too early for 2 votes to make that much of a difference, especially when he's a known quantity. We can just tell him to abstain. If he's really the detective, they have to kill him. Or else we lynch him on the last round, and by then, he's found the other one. So if he's lying, he's exposed. If he's telling the truth, he's dead.

I wouldn't recommend him for this round's lynch. The mafia seem to want to play the frame game and leave him alive, thinking we're too paranoid and weak and we'll just lynch him. Fine, we will... but not for a round or so. Do they dare allow themselves to be investigated? If he hasn't found them by then, tough dooky, he dies. Unlucky us.

Just putting it out there as an option. How brave are we?

[White_eyes:D]

Ok....check this out..you may have just convinced me ATPG:bow:

Sigurd made only 16 posts and out of them...most of them deal with Beskar:inquisitive:

Beskar is correct that A Very Super Market's vote should be either on Khazaar or Caius as he has not unvoted in any of his changes. Seireikhaan has not put it in his rules that an unvote is needed to...
He agrees with Beskar??

It's getting close to the end of this round and I will grant the wish of the dead man.

unvote: Reenk Roink, vote: Beskar

Tally:

Beskar : 5 (GH, RR, Sigurd, WE:D, YLC)

Beefy : 4 (ATPG, DiY, Jolt, Tratorix)
YLC : 3 (DJG, Gibson, TinCow)
Reenk R : 1 (Beskar)
DiY : 2 (Beefy, pever)
Khazaar : 1 (AVSM)
pever : 1 (LW)
I am willing to admit it takes some real stones to try and pretend to put the final vote on your scum buddy....

That is dirty cheap shot, Sigurd.

unvote; vote: Beefy182

A bandwagon based around around an OMGUS vote and pasted song lyrics is the most retarded thing in existence.But if they were Mafia partners...it's quite a show, huh?:clown:

Atheotes accused you of his murder. I think we should at least grant him this. but then....
No need to give up until the fat lady sings.

unvote: Beskar, vote: YLC

Is that a role he has or is it just act? but he didn't put the final vote on Beefy...and it seems he was only trying to put some distance bewteen him and Beskar...:inquisitive:
I feel that Beskar is not the right choice this round. There will be ample time to lynch him later should we go for that option.

vote: Split

Tally
spL1tp3r50naL1ty : 4 (Chaotix, AVSM, ATPG, Sigurd)

Beskar : 3 (Reenk Roink, pevergreen, YLC)
Reenk Roink : 2 (Beskar, Tratorix)
Askthepizzaguy : 2 (White_eyes:D, gibsonsg91921)
Khazaar : 1 (spL1tp3r50naL1ty)
Tin Cow : 1 (DJGingivitis)
Saved Beskar again, huh? Shocking:beam:

I am going to Unvote:Whiteeyes:D Vote:Beskar after looking over Sigurd's posts..I can only see that he was looking out for Beskar....and almost all of them were relating to him...ATPG you need to back me up with this..:smash:

[Beskar]

There is an amusing fact about all this. AskthePizzaGuy comes out with this now, when there is a chance of him being killed. I defended PizzaGuy suspecting him of being a townie, then just to save his own skin, he is suggesting for me to die. He set everything up in advance for him to pull out this manoeuvre in order for him to stay alive. It's obvious he must have set this whole thing up to do now, and for him to get away with it.

Maybe I was incorrect and you was right, White_Eyes:D, I just didn't believe it as I thought he was innocent. I'll unvote you, I thought you just framed PizzaGuy up with your comments, I apologise for my ignorance.

Unvote: White_Eyes:D

I'll like to note, the reason Ichigo was investigated twice was because PizzaGuy and Sigurd both knew about the first one when no kills occurred. PizzaGuy was very adamant not for him to be investigated again, when he was, he was found guilty. Just a note.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Did you just accuse me of being scum after I tossed myself in front of a bus for you Beskar?

Wrong.

unvote, vote: Beskar

[Beskar]

Well, let's be honest, shall we?

I was going to disclose, then you said "I offer to do it in your stead, so you can at least get another investigation", thinking that was properly the best plan of action, I agreed. However, after you disclosed my result, you wrote a bunch of stuff saying for me to get lynched.

Now, you survived the night phase (probably because you are mafia, so wouldn't get killed), and you conventiently left a message there, you tell people this message, then attempt to get me killed the round you survived.

Maybe the fact is, you are actually the Mafia? You disclosed, knowing you would not be lynched that round, then you put your plan in motion, to get me lynched.

Vote: AskthePizzaGuy

I was there thinking you was innocent, defending you, when you were purposely trying to plant knifes in my back, to bump me off for your own survival.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You investigated me, or so you say. You think I'd be running around NOT killing people in this game?

Either you're a bad townie or scum. Accusing me after I just got through wasting my breath arguing you should stay alive another round, after I spent all game making MYSELF look scummy for YOU.

Not a good plan.

[White_eyes:D]

No matter how you look at it.....Beskar and Sigurd are too close, to make me think that they are anything but scum buddies...:bow:

Just so everyone knows....check ATPG's post #6 at the start..:bow:

Rather then looking into Sigurd's lynch...I looked into Sigurd's posts and noticed he ONLY really posted when Beskar was in danger....:juggle2: Anyone can check his posts and come to the same conclusion...I would never have noticed, had ATPG not voiced his suspicions of Sigurd and Beskar:beam:


Edit:I mean post #6 of this game....

[Beskar]

White_Eyes:D, for a guy who thought me and AskthePizzaGuy was had some communication a round or two ago, making conclusions isn't your forté.

Sigurd as far as I am aware, if not Mafia. I don't know either way if he is or not.

As for bad townie or scum, for whatever reasons why only 1 kill occured is up to SenseiKhaan/Mafia and nothing to do with me. i can't answer something I don't know. Also, you never made yourself look scummy for me, I told you to quit it out, because you was making me intentionally look scummy for no reason at all. It is clear you was trying to discredit me and get me bumped off. I mean, during the whole Beskar-ATPG argument, their main reason to lynch me was because of that, and you intentionally enflamed the situation. It is obvious you are being a snake.

You obviously planned for me to get lynched for revenge and to try to save your own skin.


Also, don't start with the arguments saying you acting scummy is just a play, look at any Mafia game, even the one I hosted, you were a serial killer and acted really scummy, only reason you got stopped was because Death Is Yonder saw through your plan and lynched you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Beskar,

1. I have zero motivation for not killing anyone in the early rounds. I'm always active and I LOVE killing players. It makes me giddy.

2. You told me I wasn't killing anyone that night. You're correct, I'm just a townie. Your investigation, not mine.

3. You told me you were investigating Ichigo. I was fine with that. I would have just kept on killin' if I were mafia.

4. You told me you were investigating him again. While I was suspect of Sigurd, I was also fine with that. I would have told Ichigo to avoid killing again. I would have KILLED YOU.

5. I very, very obviously saved your life several times, each time making myself look scum of the universe.

6. I revealed for you, sealing my death this game.

7. I only told AVSM what was going on, and you said you had investigated him.

8. I didn't die. You didn't die. 2 kills. No indication Ichigo was guilty.

9. I argued for more time for you, even though you do, eventually, have to be lynched.

10. You accuse me of being scum. It makes zero sense. You had better rethink your position if you're a townie. I am hoping you're just upset at me, because it is not a wise townie move.

[Beskar]

1. I have zero motivation for not killing anyone in the early rounds. I'm always active and I LOVE killing players. It makes me giddy.

Unless there was some reason you actually couldn't. The one kill thing lasted some time. I would have killed as well! but that doesn't change from the fact I haven't got a clue why there weren't more killed.


2. You told me I wasn't killing anyone that night. You're correct, I'm just a townie. Your investigation, not mine.

THAT night, I never thought of checking you since, maybe I should have.


3. You told me you were investigating Ichigo. I was fine with that. I would have just kept on killin' if I were mafia.

Unless there was some reason why you couldn't. It is pure WIFOM.


4. You told me you were investigating him again. While I was suspect of Sigurd, I was also fine with that. I would have told Ichigo to avoid killing again. I would have KILLED YOU.

So I am guessing this is where you bundle Sigurd with being my Mafia partner, even though I told you I found some of his behaviour scummy with a convincing argument that could be used.


5. I very, very obviously saved your life several times, each time making myself look scum of the universe.

In English: I saved your life by not killing you or telling my Mafia not too several times.
As for making yourself look scummy was up to you, I never told you to do anything of the sort. It was properly your plan to dirty my own name, when I get killed and possibly revealed I was actually innocent, everyone would think you was innocent as well, perfect situation for you. Since your brilliant defence was "Please don't kill Beskar.


6. I revealed for you, sealing my death this game.

Funny thing about that, you are not dead, are you?


7. I only told AVSM what was going on, and you said you had investigated him.
So White_Eyes:D, DJG, and all these others were given PM's by a mysterious stranger not saying for me to be lynched?


8. I didn't die. You didn't die. 2 kills. No indication Ichigo was guilty.
White_Eyes:D was convinced the kills will be the same, I thought it was scummy of him to say that and thought he was the Mafia. Or, he could have just been right on the mark.


9. I argued for more time for you, even though you do, eventually, have to be lynched.
Yeah, you argued for it after you told everyone to lynch me.


10. You accuse me of being scum. It makes zero sense. You had better rethink your position if you're a townie. I am hoping you're just upset at me, because it is not a wise townie move.

It makes perfect sense you are scum. Because you intentionally framed me to make me look bad.

[White_eyes:D]

I still think I hit GOLD, with the Sigurd-Beskar theory:smash:

You guys had me fooled for quite a while...:furious3:

Like I said....if, Sigurd had not lurked and only posted to save you or say something about you....I never would have seen any connection:beam:

Edit:
So I am guessing this is where you bundle Sigurd with being my Mafia partner, even though I told you I found some of his behaviour scummy with a convincing argument that could be used. Then why didn't you? why was I always the target??:inquisitive:
Why wouldn't I have been investigated by now?:smash:

[DJGingivitis]

GRR ALRIGHT ALREADY! IM MAFIA!

Also, gullible is written on the ceiling. http://xkcd.com/542/ proof.

[Beskar]

or it could have been he knew I was innocent? and you obviously are getting fooled by PizzaGuy, yet again?

You was so convinced with your ATPG-Beskar theory earlier, what changed? Oh, the fact he pulled a very scummy and obvious Mafia manoeuvre against me, and you fall into his trap, yet again.

Also, really funny, I said to PizzaGuy earlier that we have to be very careful with lynches, and to deduct and get through everyone quickly.

However, I will say something, Ichigo was the other Mafia, that was a positive result. So your whole Beskar/Sigurd theory is blown into the water, unless you are accusing it being me-Ichigo as partners. That is how wrong your theory is.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're suggesting Ichigo and I were mafia. :shrug:

So I wouldn't have warned him not to kill, again. It doesn't add up. I'd toss him to the town as bait, and then miraculously survive the whole game, in spite of people thinking I was scummy and the kills being 2.

[White_eyes:D]

Don't worry...:wink: If ATPG has fooled me then he is going to be lynched by the end of the game....but I sort of get it..if he was protecting, what he thought was a Pro-town.. then it clicks into place:smash:

Any townie would do the same...Plus, you were going to get voted out by Reenk and GH...so you killed them:smash: (I recall for the longest time GH wanted you lynched:laugh4: and Reenk just about succeeded, had it not been for Sigurd:furious3:)

[Beskar]

I would have killed you, White_Eyes:D, on the first turn.

[White_eyes:D]

Too late for regrets, I am afraid:wink:

[Askthepizzaguy]

The sad part is, I'm not even convinced you're scum, Beskar. But I can't reason with you when you're suggesting this was all my conspiracy against you when you have the facts which would evidently disprove that yourself.

[DJGingivitis]

GRR ALRIGHT ALREADY! IM MAFIA!

Also, gullible is written on the ceiling. http://xkcd.com/542/ proof.

Why doesn't anyone want to kill me?:cry::cry::cry: Also Unvote

Let's save Beskar for later.

[Beskar]

The sad part is, I'm not even convinced you're scum, Beskar. But I can't reason with you when you're suggesting this was all my conspiracy against you when you have the facts which would evidently disprove that yourself.

Thanks for getting me lynched though even though you aren't convinced I am scum. I will remember it.:smash:

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Tratorix

It's just a game Beskar. I'm not feeling guilty in the slightest. Ease back on the melodrama.

[Jolt]

White Eyes should die btw.

[Askthepizzaguy]

By the way Tratorix is spying on the thread and not discussing.

[TinCow]

I very highly recommend that ATPG be lynched. He claimed Ichigo was 'guilty' through an investigation result he received. Ichigo was then lynched, but two kills still occurred. This is very strong evidence that ATPG lied and is mafioso. None of the evidence against anyone else is stronger than that at the moment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Are you up to speed on the fact that I got that info from Beskar and he doesn't deny it?

[Tratorix]

By the way Tratorix is spying on the thread and not discussing.

No, Tratorix is reading the thread. I'm not going to post anything until I'm caught up on all the recent happenings. You sure your slinging enough mud around? I think there's at least one person you haven't accused this round.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My apologies. I thought voting for players and giving reasons why was part of the game. I'll be more careful in the future.

[Tratorix]

My apologies. I thought voting for players and giving reasons why was part of the game. I'll be more careful in the future.

The fact that you're doing this now, when threatened with a lynch, is what bothers me. You weren't voting like this earlier in the game, it's a bit late to start throwing around random accusation votes. You're say you don't mind being lynched and then bringing up as many other targets as possible.

[White_eyes:D]

Well...I looked into ALL of Traovix's posts and unless he is a SK, I don't think he is guilty....is no one going to at least, LOOK into Sigurd and his 16 posts (which 13 have Beskar in it?) :help:

He is a lurker if I ever saw one...:laugh4:

[pevergreen]

I would so be owning if I was mafia right now. :no:

Vote: ATPG

[GeneralHankerchief]

I strongly urge a lynching of Beskar.

[White_eyes:D]

I am thinking Khaan, must really have a curse in his games, where everyone subconsciously wants town to lose:laugh4::yes::clown:

[Tratorix]

Oops, forgot to Vote: ATPG.

[ULC]

I am thinking Khaan, must really have a curse in his games, where everyone subconsciously wants town to lose:laugh4::yes::clown:

No, Khaan's essence filters into his games, and the town is so busy weaving their own conspiracies they forget about the mafia.

To much planning, to many shadows, none of it needed. ATPG, Beskar, WE - all need lynched, in whatever order. My only hand in this was to have my vote bought, and my vote could not be bought by a mafioso. Besides Beskar having scummy vibes about him the entire game, he was the only one to approach me through a PM to try and buy my vote - he feared openly asking.

[A Very Super Market]

Vote: Beskar

[TinCow]

Are you up to speed on the fact that I got that info from Beskar and he doesn't deny it?

Apologies, there were tons of posts when I loaded this up. Skimmed the first few and saw you saying the same stuff as before. I have now read the entire thing.

I very highly recommend that Beskar be lynched.

:bow:

[Death is yonder]

GRR ALRIGHT ALREADY! IM MAFIA!

Also, gullible is written on the ceiling. http://xkcd.com/542/ proof.

I think what he's trying to say, is that the current line of discussion is not particularly very involving for everyone... just back and forth between ATPG and Beskar, and a big fat distraction.


I very highly recommend that ATPG be lynched. He claimed Ichigo was 'guilty' through an investigation result he received. Ichigo was then lynched, but two kills still occurred. This is very strong evidence that ATPG lied and is mafioso. None of the evidence against anyone else is stronger than that at the moment.

After some re-reading, I've noticed something very curious.

ATPG edited Post Number #6 of his.


I will be meat for the grinder. in.


JULY 30th, at 12:17 PM

Askthepizzaguy edited this post to leave you guys a message before I died and cannot reveal.

I am not the detective. Beskar claimed that he had investigated me very early on in the game, and at that point I told him that he had several rounds to make some progress before I busted him for fake revealing to me. I do not know if Beskar is guilty or innocent, but he was absolutely correct in that I did not have a night action. I was absolutely nothing in this game but a townie, and tossing my life in the way of his, and my credibility, was what I had to do as a soldier. But know this: I don't fully trust him. I do not want to have been played like a fiddle. His claim could just as easily have been a fake.

After revealing Ichigo as a guilty party, his usefulness as a detective is coming to a close. He may still be able to investigate and find the remaining mafia, but I cannot allow for the possibility that he completely used me for his own purposes as a mafioso. If he is not murdered by the mafia, YOU MUST LYNCH HIM. I would give him maybe a round of benefit of the doubt, but if he isn't murdered he must be lynched "to make sure" just as you wanted to lynch me "to make sure"

He claimed to have investigated me, AVSM, Reenk Roink, Ichigo the first time, and Ichigo the second time. I believe that Sigurd may have been the "leak" during night four, according to Beskar, but that assumes that we can trust him. Be wary of Sigurd but I can't really throw Sigurd under the bus based on the hunch of a guy I don't fully trust. Now you know everything that I have been told by Beskar.

I have no idea what is going on :wall:

Vote:Beskar??
:dizzy2::dizzy2::dizzy2:

[Death is yonder]

On second thought, Unvote: Beskar

I'll like to see what town thinks of the quoted edit from ATPG.



Tally as of This Post, for Khaan's benefit. Please try to keep a running tally people :bow:

ATPG: 4(Reenk, Beskar, pever, Tratorix)

Beskar: 3(Gibson, Whiteeyes, AVSM)

Tratorix: 1(ATPG)

[pevergreen]

Stawberry was a sweet, sweet target.

never again.

Unvote: ATPG, vote: Beskar

[GeneralHankerchief]

Woohoo! Finally! :cheesy:

/bored @ work

[Tratorix]

On second thought, Unvote: Beskar

I'll like to see what town thinks of the quoted edit from ATPG.



Tally as of This Post, for Khaan's benefit. Please try to keep a running tally people :bow:

ATPG: 4(Reenk, Beskar, pever, Tratorix)

Beskar: 3(Gibson, Whiteeyes, AVSM)

Tratorix: 1(ATPG)

Reenk haunts Beskar from beyond the grave! :laugh4:

[pevergreen]

Woohoo! Finally! :cheesy:

/bored @ work

As am I.


Feel like playing scissors paper rock in chat? :bounce:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ho boy, I really needed that break from the game. I was seriously getting frustrated.

Long-ish post in spoiler.

I don't think Beskar is a good lynch for this round. Maybe next round.

I attempted, rather fruitlessly, to get you guys to look at some of these lurkers, Caius for example. However, he might be WOGbait. If he's a townie he needs to get back here and get to work.

I only ever really knew what my own alignment was: basic townie. Everything I've done all game was based on that. If I had a role, I'd never have risked my own neck for Beskar as I have. He's got a lot less gratitude (after the fact) when I absolutely had to make town aware of where my information came from, but were it not for me, he still would have died right around round 2 or 3 or whatever it was when I was asking people for favors to vote for split instead of him. Were it not for me he never would have "investigated" Ichigo. So my conscience is clean, this whole guilt trip thing isn't going to work, Beskar.

I made the decision to reveal to AVSM because I didn't want to be played. About this round, and rightfully so, townies (such as DJGingivitis) have pressured me privately to be fully honest with them "or it would be my head". I started off this round encouraging Beskar to reveal, because there were many problems with his story.

1. Most of the townies weren't aware of the whole truth, thus making this a very bad thing if he is scum.
2. Either myself or Beskar should have died last night. Especially if we had really nailed Ichigo.
3. Reenk was investigated, and he's dead. Ichigo was investigated twice, and he's dead. Chaotix was investigated last round, and lo and behold, he's dead. That last one was the kicker... we weren't making any progress creating a townie network because everyone in it ends up dead. That's either an unfortunate coincidence or Beskar did not want to start crossing off suspects.
4. 2 kills, still. I understand this is a Khaan game, but that's not points in his favor. Neither was the writeup which didn't really condemn Ichigo.
5. After some gentle prodding, Beskar refused to reveal and he kept coming up with reasons to delay it. That didn't give me any more confidence in what he was doing.

Even after all this, I was willing to be lynched this round or to lynch one of the lurkers, give him more time. That doesn't appear to be the popular choice. If Beskar is the detective, this is definitely the wrong move. However, if he's scum and he falsely accused Ichi, it is his time to die. After getting done arguing this and suggesting we put off his lynch and basically play "chicken" with the mafia over his life, he gets all mad and suggests I'm a scumbag. That was too much for me... if he is a pro-town he should have shown a little more restraint. It's his own investigation which says I wasn't killing anyone that round, and that's not a likely choice for pizzaguy as scum. I would have had to have prior knowledge that the investigations were activity-based. He can get mad at me all he wants for not fully trusting his judgment but trying to get me lynched does not add up.


The fact that you're doing this now, when threatened with a lynch, is what bothers me. You weren't voting like this earlier in the game, it's a bit late to start throwing around random accusation votes. You're say you don't mind being lynched and then bringing up as many other targets as possible.

Bah, lynch me. I really don't care. A bit "late" to throw around random accusation votes? Since when? I thought the game wasn't over yet. If I don't believe Beskar is scum, just... easily angered, then the choice of him or me this round doesn't appeal to me for obvious reasons. And some players, such as yourself, have gotten through this whole game with little or no suspicion or votes on yourself. I am offering additional options. I know this much, if Beskar is innocent then a nice random lynch might be just the ticket to find the other killer. If he's guilty, one more round of being alive makes no difference. I want you guys to seriously consider that, even if he is annoying me at the moment.

There's still almost a full day before the lynch goes through. I am hoping that after things get settled we can make a good, honest, reasonable decision that isn't based in emotion (Beskar) and not just OMGUS vote (Tratorix).

[Sigurd]

He claimed to have investigated me, AVSM, Reenk Roink, Ichigo the first time, and Ichigo the second time. I believe that Sigurd may have been the "leak" during night four, according to Beskar, but that assumes that we can trust him. Be wary of Sigurd but I can't really throw Sigurd under the bus based on the hunch of a guy I don't fully trust. Now you know everything that I have been told by Beskar.

This checks out with the information that was given to me around the time I changed my vote from Beskar.

If you notice, the Beskar post just before My: "It ain't over till the fat lady sings" is edited. Beskar confessed that he was the investigator (not the detective). I therefore changed my vote on the chance that we were about to lynch a pro-town player.
Obviously not many noticed this. That ATPG later played as a shield for Beskar was something I suggested in my first PM to Beskar.
I told him that he was either the detective or was playing a shield for ATPG.

Beskar got us Ichigo and the detective role has therefore played its course. As I said to Beskar in my PM: Either you tell the truth or you lie. It is time the town took over. Beskar has done his duty either way.

Now we lynch: Beskar and thank him for his work.

Tally

Beskar : 5 (AVSM, gibson, pever, Sigurd, WE:D)

ATPG : 2 (Beskar, Tratorix)
Tratorix: 1 (ATPG)

Not voting : 4 (Caius, DiY, DJG, Khazaar)

[White_eyes:D]

Could you change that to Vote:Beskar??:smash:

It feels like your trying to get off on a minor technicality by saying Lynch:Beskar:bounce:

[Death is yonder]

:shrug:

Vote:Beskar?

[DJGingivitis]

vote:Tratorix because it means nothing but something at the same time.

[Khazaar]

Vote: Beskar

[Sigurd]

Could you change that to Vote:Beskar??:smash:

It feels like your trying to get off on a minor technicality by saying Lynch:Beskar:bounce:
hehe... Sorry about that. I am getting old or somtin. :sweatdrop:

vote: Beskar

[Reenk Roink]

So if I am following this, Beskar revealed to Atpg and Atpg was his patsy, in the same way Atpg did to me. Now they've had a falling out. About time. :2thumbsup: Though the connection between the two was never hidden well, even after Atpg revealed to me, I could infer from his posts that his contact was Beskar.

Now then, I am disappointed in Atpg for not talking to someone else about Beskar. It could have been me or another of the "innocents" to cover his bases. He did an unnecessarily risky play and got bailed out thankfully. Had Beskar went off and killed Atpg, then none of this could have been revealed. :oops: :furious3:

I like the White eyes case of Sigurd-Beskar. Sigurd's votes on Beskar all seem staged in the early round to create that separation, though he would not put a lynching vote on Beskar until now, when it's too late.

Lastly, if you look at the kills, they make even more sense that Beskar is doing them than Atpg. GH, YLC, myself, all were apt to vote against Beskar.

I would lynch:

Beskar
Sigurd

Then if the game isn't over reevaluate. Atpg should be a prime target at that stage. I think White eyes has cleared most of his guilt, by by this time, he should also be checked out.

By the way, my vote doesn't count. I am in a catch-22. If I don't vote I will be WoK'd but I also can't vote. :disappointed:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I had all of this revealed to AVSM in advance, because he was the last remaining "investigated".

So don't be too disappointed, I had a plan. Had I died and no one gotten my "six" clue, AVSM could have explained it. And I still would have been going *ahem*Beskar*ahem*

[Reenk Roink]

I had all of this revealed to AVSM in advance, because he was the last remaining "investigated".

So don't be too disappointed, I had a plan. Had I died and no one gotten my "six" clue, AVSM could have explained it. And I still would have been going *ahem*Beskar*ahem*

I see, good job in that case.

However, now I have a theory that goes against the Beskar is scum thing.

Knowing that this is probably how Atpg would react after there were again 2 kills after Ichigo was lynched, why wouldn't Beskar kill Atpg?

It would lend credibility to the story that Atpg was detective (so by implication Beskar was detective) and avoid Atpg being able to DIRECTLY spill the beans. Yes there would be AVSM to worry about, but given his play, I wouldn't really be inclined to believe him immediately, like I would Atpg who has direct contact.

Or why wouldn't the Mafia (if Beskar is Mafia) kill just one to avoid this situation in the first place.

It just seems like such a dropped ball to kill two people and not make Atpg one of them... :wall: Maybe I'm having Beskar think like me and do what I would do, but I don't really think these are hard to think of scenarios... :inquisitive:

[TinCow]

It just seems like such a dropped ball to kill two people and not make Atpg one of them... :wall: Maybe I'm having Beskar think like me and do what I would do, but I don't really think these are hard to think of scenarios... :inquisitive:

It's seem like an irrelevant question, since Beskar has admitted to being the 'detective' as well. Beskar specifically said (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2304354) that he did an investigation and found Ichigo guilty:


I'll like to note, the reason Ichigo was investigated twice was because PizzaGuy and Sigurd both knew about the first one when no kills occurred. PizzaGuy was very adamant not for him to be investigated again, when he was, he was found guilty. Just a note.

(emphasis added)

So, Beskar claims to be the detective and claims to have gotten a guilty result on Ichigo. Ichigo was lynched but the number of kills didn't drop. While there are other explanations for this, the strongest one is that Beskar is lying about being a detective.

[Reenk Roink]

It's seem like an irrelevant question, since Beskar has admitted to being the 'detective' as well. Beskar specifically said (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2304354) that he did an investigation and found Ichigo guilty:

(emphasis added)

So, Beskar claims to be the detective and claims to have gotten a guilty result on Ichigo. Ichigo was lynched but the number of kills didn't drop. While there are other explanations for this, the strongest one is that Beskar is lying about being a detective.

Well that entire theory is based on Beskar claiming detective...

And I frankly believe it lends a lot of support to questioning Beskar's guilt. After all, the entire assumption of 2 Mafia = 2 kills is weak and it seems to be the major reason in Beskar's lynch while other considerations such as potential Mafia actions are being ignored...

Then again, Beskar might just have dropped the ball... :shrug:

[Tratorix]

So, Beskar claims to be the detective and claims to have gotten a guilty result on Ichigo. Ichigo was lynched but the number of kills didn't drop. While there are other explanations for this, the strongest one is that Beskar is lying about being a detective.

Why did you think the number of kills would drop? Khaan's not exactly known for doing the town any favours in his games. If anything, that makes me believe Beskar more, because if he was mafia he could have dropped the number of kills to make himself look trustworthy. But, it looks like he's this rounds lynch anyway, so :shrug:.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's not necessarily a foregone conclusion. We do have people who have escaped attention all game not getting pressured. My vote is available if there's another option.

There's just a few too many dead people who would like to see Beskar join the ranks for me to protest that loudly though. It is their game too.

[Tratorix]

That's not necessarily a foregone conclusion. We do have people who have escaped attention all game not getting pressured. My vote is available if there's another option.

There's just a few too many dead people who would like to see Beskar join the ranks for me to protest that loudly though. It is their game too.

Your last sentence really sums it up. Regardless of Beskar's guilt or innocence this has been coming for a long time. After the whole mess in the first couple of rounds it was pretty much inevitable. The funny thing is, one of the few people advising caution about this lynch is Reenk Roink. :laugh4:

[atheotes]

i would bet the person who killed me is one of the townies from the "cold winter" game... i think it could be Beskar :juggle2:

i am one of those ATPG mentioned :clown:

[White_eyes:D]

Reenk, read that whole argument Beskar had against me at the start of this round...:yes:

I knew pointing out the whole two kills thing was going to get me in trouble...but it was pointless to keep pretending the possibility didn't exist:smash:

I also seemed to guess right about the powering-up kills thing..:wink: No Sane Mafia would miss out on kills....:yes:

however, I can't rule out that Beskar or Sigurd cut the number of kills in order to make it seem like town was onto something....(I pulled the same thing in Godfather 3:yes:)

But me and Beefy were under hardly any pressure till the end:juggle2: It's really hard to say on how Beskar and Sigurd would act being under so much pressure:shrug:

If I am right and Sigurd and Beskar are mafia....I am going to tell you guys how I found it...It could very well eliminate, Lurker mafia victories once and for all, unless they do some REALLY drastic stuff:smash:

And yes, I did make something like a "Watson/Skynet" but I didn't really use it. I can't fully trust everything it comes up with as I have not tested it in many games:beam: I mostly made it to counter lurker mafia's:no: (Too many of those lately)

[TinCow]

Why did you think the number of kills would drop? Khaan's not exactly known for doing the town any favours in his games. If anything, that makes me believe Beskar more, because if he was mafia he could have dropped the number of kills to make himself look trustworthy. But, it looks like he's this rounds lynch anyway, so :shrug:.

I played in the last two 'khaan large games before this one (Netherworld and Chicago) and in both of those it was 1 kill per mafioso. That is also the 'standard' format for mafia games on this forum. I have seen no indications so far that this game varies from the standard in that regard. The 'twist' seems likely to have been YLC's role, and he's already dead. Thus, when weighing the evidence, I think it's more likely that this is just another 1 kill per mafioso game, like 'khaans previous ones.

[Tratorix]

I played in the last two 'khaan large games before this one (Netherworld and Chicago) and in both of those it was 1 kill per mafioso. That is also the 'standard' format for mafia games on this forum. I have seen no indications so far that this game varies from the standard in that regard. The 'twist' seems likely to have been YLC's role, and he's already dead. Thus, when weighing the evidence, I think it's more likely that this is just another 1 kill per mafioso game, like 'khaans previous ones.

Really? I could have sworn Netherworld had a set number of kills, but I'm probably wrong. :sweatdrop:
I look forward to hearing Beskar's answer on this topic.

[TinCow]

Really? I could have sworn Netherworld had a set number of kills, but I'm probably wrong. :sweatdrop:

Netherworld was definitely 1 kill per mafioso... since I was one of them.

That said, looking back at Chicago, I can't find any info to substantiate my statement regarding that game. None of the posts I've read indicate whether it was 1 per mafioso or 2 for the whole team and the failure of the town to kill either of them prevents any deduction from the rate of kills. For some reason I thought it was 1 per mafioso, but I can't figure out why I thought that now.

[Beskar]

So, Beskar claims to be the detective and claims to have gotten a guilty result on Ichigo. Ichigo was lynched but the number of kills didn't drop. While there are other explanations for this, the strongest one is that Beskar is lying about being a detective.

Yes, the strongest one is that I am lying if you don't actually know what has occured, I entirely agree, however, Ichigo was Mafia and that is a fact. You are also missing that there was only one kill in the beginning as well, your own 1 kill 1 mafia theory falls apart there. Why was only one of the Mafia killing in your theory? doesn't it make more sense for them to kill?

What is probably closer is that Khaan made it so the Mafia could only have one kill, which either one could do or only one with the ability to kill, then during the no kill stage, as White_Eyes:D suggests, they now had the ability to do two kills. Remember the tails of the comet and they were two? Some people suggested it meant two Mafia, but it was probably meaning "there are now two kills" as after it, two kills occurred each night.

You can lynch me, but I didn't lie and I obviously been set-up by Pizza Guy, because if I was Mafia, wouldn't I just killed him in order to keep the secret sealed? It makes no sense for him still to live. :juggle2:

[A Very Super Market]

Easy. Lynch him next day. :D

Also, lynch the lurkers at the same time. Oh wait....

[Askthepizzaguy]

I agree with everything but the "pizzaguy is mafia" part. Again, you're totally ignoring the fact that I could have warned Ichigo not to kill, or that I could have killed you, or what the heck I was doing not killing on round one or two, or any of the other gaping holes in that theory.

:shrug:

Simply repeating it over and over doesn't make it so.

[Beskar]

It would lend credibility to the story that Atpg was detective (so by implication Beskar was detective) and avoid Atpg being able to DIRECTLY spill the beans. Yes there would be AVSM to worry about, but given his play, I wouldn't really be inclined to believe him immediately, like I would Atpg who has direct contact.

Or why wouldn't the Mafia (if Beskar is Mafia) kill just one to avoid this situation in the first place.

It just seems like such a dropped ball to kill two people and not make Atpg one of them... :wall: Maybe I'm having Beskar think like me and do what I would do, but I don't really think these are hard to think of scenarios... :inquisitive:

You are missing another fact, Pizza Guy told me that he told AVSM, all I had to do if I was Mafia was kill them both and it would never have got out. Unfortunately, it is a catch-22 where I can't kill, thus it comes out. I think this is more likely a set-up, at first I thought it was White_Eyes:D setting up ATPG, but it looks like ATPG really pulled the rug out under me, because he wanted to avoid getting lynched.

FOS: AskthePIzzaGuy

You have to remember, I wasn't in the firing line, ATPG was. He is known for his diamonds and he just did it again and again, the town falls for it.

[Beskar]

I agree with everything but the "pizzaguy is mafia" part. Again, you're totally ignoring the fact that I could have warned Ichigo not to kill, or that I could have killed you, or what the heck I was doing not killing on round one or two, or any of the other gaping holes in that theory.



What is probably closer is that Khaan made it so the Mafia could only have one kill, which either one could do or only one with the ability to kill, then during the no kill stage, as White_Eyes:D suggests, they now had the ability to do two kills. Remember the tails of the comet and they were two? Some people suggested it meant two Mafia, but it was probably meaning "there are now two kills" as after it, two kills occurred each night.


There, blame 'Khaan/Mafia, stop poking your grubby finger at me. The whole thing is nothing to do with me, but since I am incapable of answering as I don't know, then trying to use my lack of knowledge of Mafia against me, maybe you should tell everyone why you are the resident expert and happen to know all the processes of the Mafia.

[Beskar]

Twists? Perhaps.


:smash: Yeah, your awful kill system and not revealing Mafia as Mafia.

[Caius]

I'm dropping out of the game. I'm sorry, I don't know what is going on.

[Reenk Roink]

You have to remember, I wasn't in the firing line, ATPG was. He is known for his diamonds and he just did it again and again, the town falls for it.

Atpg is pretty screwed due to all the dirt on him as well, he's been caught badly. You just happen to look more dirty. :shrug:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm the cleanest one here. ~:pimp:

[Beskar]

Atpg is pretty screwed due to all the dirt on him as well, he's been caught badly. You just happen to look more dirty. :shrug:

I don't, since I never did any of the kills I been accused of and there is not Beskar-ATPG/Beskar-Sigurd connection and since Ichigo was actually a Mafia. There has not been a single accusation of me which has been correct.

I haven't acted "scummy" at all, since I am accused of acting "scummy" every single game where I am shown to be a town. Calling me scummy holds as much water as a bucket with no bottom on. The fact either as Mafia or Town, I play as if I am a town, it is actually impossible to know outside of pro-town roles or if I am some one else's team mate what team I am on. Unfortunately, people just lynch me regardless, even though I never had been Mafia, and every time, I am town.

[Jolt]

I believe Beskar. Lynch ATPG as I said.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I believe Beskar. Lynch ATPG as I said.

:laugh4:

I'll remember you said that. I'm keeping score. :2thumbsup:

[Jolt]

We're still not in Capo. In Capo, I'll defend you even if : A roleblocker successfully blocks you in a night without kills, then in the next night you attempt to kill another person, and that person is saved by a doctor while you were being investigated by 5 different groups that night which all saw you do the kill.

In this game, you're as guilty as they come.

EDIT: Though I'm finding it curious that, in the list of games we played together, you more or less accepted your own lynch or accusations of being scummy, without much fuss. Now in this game, you're quite the trigger-happy fellow, which is quite curious.

[Askthepizzaguy]

In this game, you're as guilty as they come.

If you say so. In the meantime, here's a tally.


Beskar- 7 (Gibsons, WE, AVSM, pevergreen, Sigurd, DIY, Khazaar)
ATPG- 2 (Beskar, Tratorix)
Tratorix- 2 (ATPG, DJGingivitis)

I know this much, Jolt: due to my reveal of Ichigo, and subsequent reveal of Beskar, the mafia died. So if I am mafia, I still gave you a present. I'll see you next round, where you can lynch me nice and dead.

edit: please double check my tally. There's been a lot of posts and it's hard to find people's votes sometimes.

[Jolt]

Did Beskar confirm here in the thread that he investigated you and found you innocent?

Though I wonder this much, if Beskar is really Mafia, he could easily have killed you after you revealed yourself as innocent.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Did Beskar confirm here in the thread that he investigated you and found you innocent?

Indeed he did. give me a moment and I'll link his post here for you. BRB.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2304369&postcount=678

This is where he is arguing that I am scum even though he investigated me on what was it, the first or second night. I was not killing that night, his words.

[Beskar]

Proof that Ask the Pizza Guy is Mafia -
https://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/S7evenZero/AskthePizzaGuy.jpg

[Askthepizzaguy]

You want to know the real proof that I am mafia? I'm still alive. :laugh4:

[Beskar]

I mean, when GeneralHankerchief got killed, I was blamed, even though I didn't do it, however, when two people against you get killed, some how I get bandwagoned.

Good Game my Pizza Friend.

[Reenk Roink]

I mean, when GeneralHankerchief got killed, I was blamed, even though I didn't do it, however, when two people against you get killed, some how I get bandwagoned.

Good Game my Pizza Friend.

I'll say what I said earlier.

This is because, as bad as Atpg is doing in deflecting suspicion from himself, you are doing even worse. Atpg has been caught with his pants down, you've been caught with your underwear down... :wreck:

Think about it, my defense of you is because your play was too detrimental to yourself as Mafia...