Mafia Mongolica [Concluded]

[seireikhaan]

https://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x246/greaterkhaan/volunteer-huts-mongolia-80324520.jpg


It is the one hundred and seventeenth day I have spent at this camp. The semi-barren earth feels rigid beneath my feet. The skies are darkening early with clouds. I hope the heavens spare us, so that I might regain some sleep tonight, and that perhaps the soldiers and herdsmen will admit to an early night. I admit, I look upon these hardy people with a mixture of admiration, tinged with pity. I am feeling the effects of this never-ceasing lifestyle, where each person seems compelled by the spirits themselves to continue herding, riding, moving. One might think these savage barbarians, knowing nothing of the written character, of literature, of poetry, of plowing, of farming, of growing, would have much of their days to relax, and enjoy the fruit of their plunders. Yet they seem to find ways of occupying their time unlike any back home. Theirs is a life of never ceasing rigours, it seems. Perhaps this is the source of their recent resurgence?

Ah, well. I am going off track. My task continues to elude me. The man Jenghiz departed with a cadre of soldiers once more, undoubtedly off to meet another tribe for war. I was not allowed to follow, being told my safety could not be guaranteed outside this camp. Having seen corpses in the remains of ashen camps, the children and women folk weeping, I can feel safe in believing such a statement. It seems that negotiations will have to await another time. It is with a hint of frustration that I had anticipated setting my brush down one last time for this night. Alas! It seems there is a commotion outside the tent. I hurried outside to see what was the cause. The people of the camp had arrived before me, and formed a circle. I slithered in between many a person before finally arriving to the inner of the circle. On the grassy earth lay three bodies, all of them guardsmen. One man stepped into the inner of the circle, and began speaking to all who had gathered. His dialect was rough, but I gathered this much from his quick speech- intruders were upon the camp. The men to my left and right grimaced, and I felt a twinge of pride that I at least knew why. These savages, not being tied to the ground upon which they rode, came and went across the plains as freely as the wind. Many in the camp left, and many joined, over these days I had been here. They were of numerous different tribes, any of which might seek to destabilize a powerful conqueror. My thoughts began to race for my own well being; Jenghiz had guaranteed my safety, but other savages were not nearly so noble. My feelings of isolation increased greatly; I had always known I was a stranger in a foreign land, yet never before had it felt so constricted, so hostile. I wouldn't be able to escape if I had desired to. These savages know the land much better than I, and are far more skilled riders. I would have to hope they could solve this crisis....

My attention finally snapped back to reality as I realized the crowd was dispersing. The man who had made the address stepped towards me. He put his hand on my shoulder before speaking. He told me, I believe, that my tent would be guarded tonight, and that Jenghiz would be most angry if his vow of diplomatic protection were broken. I was relieved that the man who seemed to have been left in charge at least valued the order of his superior. I queried as to his name. I hoped that I could return his favor by informing Jenghiz of his lieutenant's fealty, should the intrusion pass. "Shinzei Khan", he told me. Then, with a stern look, he informed me it was time to return to my tent for the night.

-- The Record of Zhang Qian


Greetings all! Welcome to my latest Mafia game! I'm hoping for 40 people if I can!

Roles:

Mafia: 4(at optimum, may be adjusted depending on how many sign up)
Town: ?(yes, I'm evil like that.)

Twists? Perhaps.

Rules

Players must remain active. Inactivity, which will be defined as missing three consecutive voting rounds, or four total voting rounds, will result in the WoK(Wrath of Khaan).

NO QUOTING HOST'S PMS, NO QUOTING CHATLOGS, NO SCREENSHOTS, NO ALTERNATE ACCOUNTS, AND NO TRANSLATING HOST'S PM'S-You may quote PM's from other players. You may claim whatever you want, including role name, so long as you don't quote my PM's word for word, or very close to word for word. Also, you cannot reveal victory conditions. Period.

You may only commit suicide if you are absolutely unable to continue participation. I do not allow suicides for any other reason.

The dead may not reveal anything, quote PM's or do anything out of thread. Alive players are not allowed to contact the dead out of thread as pertaining to this game as well.

PLEASE KEEP A RUNNING TALLY OF VOTES.

And Lastly, DO NOT MESS WITH THE TALLY! If I determine ANYONE is intentionally messing with the tally, they will receive extremely harsh punishment. I tend to allow for mistakes, particularly if people aren't keeping tally, but be wary and vigilant regarding tally.


Signups: 25

Askthepizzaguy
Atheotes
A Very Super Market
Beefy
Beskar
Caius
Chaotix
Death is Yonder
DJGingivtis
FactionHeir
GeneralHankerchief
Gibsonsg91921
Ichigo
Jolt
Khazaar
Lord Winter
pevergreen
Reenk Roink
Sigurd
Splitpersonality
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk
YLC

[Death is yonder]

In!

For the khaan! :clown:

[A Very Super Market]

In.

(Please make me a townie... I can't take any more special roles)

[GeneralHankerchief]

In, although I probably won't be super-active for two weeks.

[White_eyes:D]

IN....Khaan? How many games have you hosted where the Mafia/SK's lost?:book:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I will be meat for the grinder. in.


JULY 30th, at 12:17 PM

Askthepizzaguy edited this post to leave you guys a message before I died and cannot reveal.

I am not the detective. Beskar claimed that he had investigated me very early on in the game, and at that point I told him that he had several rounds to make some progress before I busted him for fake revealing to me. I do not know if Beskar is guilty or innocent, but he was absolutely correct in that I did not have a night action. I was absolutely nothing in this game but a townie, and tossing my life in the way of his, and my credibility, was what I had to do as a soldier. But know this: I don't fully trust him. I do not want to have been played like a fiddle. His claim could just as easily have been a fake.

After revealing Ichigo as a guilty party, his usefulness as a detective is coming to a close. He may still be able to investigate and find the remaining mafia, but I cannot allow for the possibility that he completely used me for his own purposes as a mafioso. If he is not murdered by the mafia, YOU MUST LYNCH HIM. I would give him maybe a round of benefit of the doubt, but if he isn't murdered he must be lynched "to make sure" just as you wanted to lynch me "to make sure"

He claimed to have investigated me, AVSM, Reenk Roink, Ichigo the first time, and Ichigo the second time. I believe that Sigurd may have been the "leak" during night four, according to Beskar, but that assumes that we can trust him. Be wary of Sigurd but I can't really throw Sigurd under the bus based on the hunch of a guy I don't fully trust. Now you know everything that I have been told by Beskar.

[TinCow]

:bow:

[Beskar]

*waves at Khaan*

In please. :beam:

[seireikhaan]

IN....Khaan? How many games have you hosted where the Mafia/SK's lost?:book:
Minnesota mafia was the first game I've hosted where the town won. Matter of fact, it was actually the first one where the town lynched a mafia/serial killer. Still running a brutal 0-for in large games.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

ahh I cant believe I am going to miss this. I have to go away camping the week after next.....

ahh what the heck, put me in. Chances are someone will kill me anyway.

[White_eyes:D]

Minnesota mafia was the first game I've hosted where the town one. Matter of fact, it was actually the first one where the town lynched a mafia/serial killer. Still running a brutal 0-for in large games.Yeah...I think in "Chicago Soiree" you talked about how town has not lynched one scumbag in how many of your games?:thinking:

I am thinking this could go good or bad....:laugh4:

[pevergreen]

In. Time for my revenge on TinCow, methinks.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I know this much: If I start to think of accusing TinCow about something, I'll shut my big yap. :laugh4:

[atheotes]

:bow:

[Chaotix]

In.

Although wasn't this originally supposed to be a sequel to Spirit Mafia? That game was fun (particularly killing townies with supernatural powers... :evil:), and I think it was just about the first one to feature a mind-controller role. This, I'm sure, will be just as good. :2thumbsup:

[Lord Winter]

In.

[Caius]

I'm not going to sign in this one.

















In.

[seireikhaan]

In.

Although wasn't this originally supposed to be a sequel to Spirit Mafia? That game was fun (particularly killing townies with supernatural powers... :evil:), and I think it was just about the first one to feature a mind-controller role. This, I'm sure, will be just as good. :2thumbsup:
It was originally going to be a sequel to Netherworld mafia, my first large game. Alas, I wasn't totally comfortable with the details, and I've had this game up my sleeve for a while now.

[Khazaar]

Joining my steppe brothers...

[A Very Super Market]

Actually, Iowa is pretty close to a steppe.

[Reenk Roink]

:bow:

[Beefy187]

Was going to sit out, but if you need players, I'll be more then happy to play :bow:

[pevergreen]

What? Sit out! THen we have no one to lynch! :grin2:

[Jolt]

For the khaan!

EDIT: Reenk, you're back!? :O

[Tratorix]

iN.

[Caius]

It would be the irony that me and Jolt were mafia partners.

[Beefy187]

What? Sit out! THen we have no one to lynch! :grin2:

I rather be lunched.

Actually, sign me up so I can Vote pever.

[Jolt]

It would be the irony that me and Jolt were mafia partners.

Silence! Don't ruin our well delined plan!

[Splitpersonality]

In please.

[Yaropolk]

Im in

[FactionHeir]

:2thumbsup:

[Caius]

Silence! Don't ruin our well delined plan!
Few people took me seriously, why would they?

[seireikhaan]

Well, it seems I'm lacking the numbers I was hoping for. I'll give it two more days. If y'all got people to pester convince to join of their own volition, that'd be awesome.

[Askthepizzaguy]

:sweatdrop:

Uhh... there's lotsa people on my friends list who might be interested. However, I've done a lot of spamming for my own games and the games of others, and I need a break. The peeps I invited for the Capo de Tutti Capi III game might be a good start.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Ok I have to drop out, I have to go away Sunday and will be gone for a week.... :sweatdrop::sweatdrop:

[gibsonsg91921]

yeah, i'm back. IN

[Sigurd]

I have been able to connect to .org from work this week... *Crossing fingers*
In!!

[ULC]

I so fail at trying to NOT be addicted to mafia :wall:

In...:wall:

[Tratorix]

I so fail at trying to NOT be addicted to mafia :wall:

In...:wall:

You can't escape... :evil:

[seireikhaan]

Well, it seems I'm going to have to cut the game down a pinch to account for fewer players than I'd like. I'm gonna give things another couple hours, then I'll send out roles.

[Beskar]

I so fail at trying to NOT be addicted to mafia :wall:

In...:wall:

Puts a vacuum cleaner to YLC, we are going to suck you back in.

[seireikhaan]

Ok, roles have been sent out. Night begins NOW. I would like this phase to last 24 hours, but am willing to give a bit of leeway.

[seireikhaan]

IF YOU DIDN'T GET A PRIVATE MESSAGE, YOU ARE A TOWNSPERSON. DO NOT ASK.

[ULC]

IF YOU DIDN'T GET A PRIVATE MESSAGE, YOU ARE A TOWNSPERSON. DO NOT ASK.

How come I didn't get a role PM?

:clown:

[Death is yonder]

I so fail at trying to NOT be addicted to mafia :wall:

In...:wall:

Great to have you back :2thumbsup:

[TinCow]

Should we know how many mafioso there are? The first post says 4, but indicates it would be adjusted based on the number of players.

[Reenk Roink]

I'm gonna make a change -uh- for once in my life

it's gonna feel real good
gonna make a difference
gonna make it right...

[seireikhaan]

Should we know how many mafioso there are? The first post says 4, but indicates it would be adjusted based on the number of players.
There are two mafioso now.

[Caius]

When does it start?

[seireikhaan]

Yaropolk rested his head against the earthen floor of his tent. He wasn't concerned with the guard's death. He knew his own martial prowess would keep him from harm, as it had done in so many engagements previous. Yes.... Perfectly safe.... Yaropolk's conciousness began to drift as sleep began its intrusion upon his mind. Nothing but the wind and the gentle flutter of the fabric of his encampment. He vaguely wondered if perhaps there was a bit more fluttering than should be, but dismissed it in favor of the comfort sleep brought.

The man stood outside his target's tent. He cautiously leaned toward the entrance, attempting to decipher whether or not the man had yet fallen to sleep. To his pleasure, he heard a faint snore emanating from within, indicating no activity. The man stalked into the entrance, bow in hand, alert in the event he was mistaken. However, when he made his way in, he was given a mental reprieve, for his target lay still, solidly in a subconcious realm. The man pulled a knife from his belt, holding it in his right hand. He laid the bow down. Creeping towards the sleeping target, the man gently rested his left hand on his target's mouth, with the knife held aloft in his right. With sudden force, the knife was brought down upon the sleeping man's neck, while the left hand muffled mouth. Blood surged out through a multitude of arteries, as the knife was ripped across the vital area.

Yaropolk jolted awake for a couple of seconds, as a searing pain erupted in his neck. A rugged, dirty man was gagging him with his left hand. Yaropolk struggled, but with his vocal cords effectively shredded, not a sound could leave his mouth before he drifted off to a final, last sleep.




I was awakened this morning by a ruckus outside of my tent. Another night of poor sleep, it seems. The sun was just beginning to peak over the horizon. I stepped outside, and for a moment, was terrified. Three of the savages had been shouting at each other when they noticed me. Immediately, they each shot murderous glares at me. I was relieved when two guards, who had been standing at the entrance to my tent, immediately rushed in front of me and sent the men off with a stern warning. I asked the guards what had happened. They replied that they did not yet know for sure, as they had been at my tent the whole night. I followed more angry shouts towards the direction the angry men had stalked off to. At the eastern boundary of the camp, the man who had temporarily replaced Jenghiz in his absence, Shinzei, was speaking to what seemed to be the entire remaining encampment. Another body was placed before Shinzei, one different from the guards who had been killed yesterday. I seemed to have arrived after the speech had begun, but I believe I accurately figured what was happening. Some kind of temporary council was being formed. Shinzei stated that traitors stood in our midst. My confidence waned once more that I might survive this assignment. It was then that Shinzei noticed my presence. He motioned for me to come to his side. Feeling a bit safer, at least for the moment, I immediately obeyed. He requested that I keep track of the events of the council. I agreed. What was the worst that could happen of this, after all...?


DAY BEGINS NOW! IT WILL LAST 36 HOURS!


Alive: 24

Askthepizzaguy
Atheotes
A Very Super Market
Beefy
Beskar
Caius
Chaotix
Death is Yonder
DJGingivtis
FactionHeir
GeneralHankerchief
Gibsonsg91921
Ichigo
Jolt
Khazaar
Lord Winter
pevergreen
Reenk Roink
Sigurd
Splitpersonality
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D
YLC

Dead: 1

Yaropolk (N1)

Lynched: 0

WoK'd: 0

[gibsonsg91921]

Vote: TinCow for forming the Illuminati so long ago.

[Reenk Roink]

heal the world...
make it a better place...

for you and for me and the entire human race

there are - people dying
if you care enough for the living

make a better place for you and for me

Vote: abstain, courteously :bow:

[Sigurd]

vote: DJGingivtis.
Welcome to the gameroom!! :beam:

[Death is yonder]

Vote: Gibson

For meatballing on something unrelated :whip:

:smash:

[Csargo]

Vote:FH

No Sasaki. :sad:

[Beefy187]

Vote: gibson

Best not to mess up with Illuminatis. They can be scary.
And to be second on the wagon

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Split

[White_eyes:D]

Vote:Reenk Roink for being away so long...:laugh4:

[TinCow]

Vote: gibson

As an Illuminati alum, I enjoy being third on the bandwagon.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Khazaar

Random.org vote.

[atheotes]

Vote: gibson

Best not to mess up with Illuminatis. They can be scary.
And to be second on the wagon

Vote: Beefy for bandwagon :smash:

[Death is yonder]

Why are they all following my bandwagon!

:cry:

Maybe I should vote Atheotes for having 666 posts... :devil:

:clown:

[atheotes]

Why are they all following my bandwagon!

:cry:

Maybe I should vote Atheotes for having 666 posts... :devil:



What 666 are you talking about? i dont see it :clown:

[Death is yonder]

Unvote; Gibson
Vote: Atheotes

Edit: Oh noes, I was too late! :clown:

[Death is yonder]

Double Post so as to not do edit vote post. :sweatdrop:

Unvote; Atheotes
Vote: FactionHeir

My Random Pointer Said So.

And I don't like this suspicious bandwagon because I said so.

[gibsonsg91921]

I should have guessed being the first person to vote would make me look scummy. I almost always vote for TinCow first, IIRC. It's its own league of meatballing. Like, Lotharing or something.

[Beskar]

If there was two Mafia, why was there only one kill? Did a Mafia forget to send in orders or something?

[gibsonsg91921]

We forgot to keep up with something very important.

gibsonsg91921: 2
FactionHeir: 2
TinCow: 1
DJGingivtis: 1
Splitpersonality: 1
Reenk Roink: 1
Khazaar: 1
Beefy187: 1
Abstain: 1

[Beskar]

Just read through the thread, no comments from FactionHeir, and if he was Mafia and didn't send in his orders, could explain the only one kill. I will vote till he comes on to provide further information.

Vote: FactionHeir

[gibsonsg91921]

FactionHeir: 3
gibsonsg91921: 2
TinCow: 1
DJGingivtis: 1
Splitpersonality: 1
Reenk Roink: 1
Khazaar: 1
Beefy187: 1
Abstain: 1

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hmm, Beskar seems a little too into this discussion for Day One.

Unvote: Split
Vote: Beskar

[A Very Super Market]

Beskar always does this. He is scummy no matter what.

Vote: AVSM

Only siths deal in absolutes.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hmm, Beskar seems a little too into this discussion for Day One.

Unvote: Split
Vote: Beskar

Human behavior file 54627: How not to be seen.

1. Act uninterested.

2. Don't make your notes public.

3. Oops.

4. ?????

5. Profit!

[ULC]

Vote for sale! You sir! This vote is one of a kind, of that you can be assured. Tired of just a single vote? Tired of being unable to really influence the vote? Need someone lynched, but don;t have quite the numbers you need? Or or you sitting terrifyingly perched on the possibility of death, and but need one vote more to save yourself?

Look no further! Now good, sir, I promise you will not be disappointed, not one bit, for this vote never fails, never goes bad, never breaks, and usable in all situations. Here, is a demonstration of it's effectiveness!

Vote: gibsonsg91921

See, works wonders! Creates a tie immediately! Many others try to imitate this, but this is the one and original, one of it's kind. So accept no substitutes, and go only for the highest quality.

Unvote: gibsonsg91921

Now we have a clean slate, I'll sell not only this vote to you, but if you ask within the next hour, I'll throw in 2 other votes, free! That's right, not 1, not 2, but 3 high quality votes for the price of one! Remember, they never break, nor go bad, and never have to be replaced, and they are priced within anyone's budget!


But hurry, these high quality votes are in demand, and they will go fast. So post now for high quality, never fail, never break, never go bad vote, and if you post within the hour with the highest bid, you get not 1, not 2, but 3 high quality votes!

[Caius]

Vote:TinCow

And his third vote.

[Yaropolk]

Go on my killers, wipe the mongol horde off the steppe to ensure the salvation of Kievan Rus!


Rule # 125 if Yaropolk is alive after 2 nights, it's only because he's in the mafia.

[Beskar]

Where is the link to the Mafia rules again?

[Tratorix]

Vote: Askthepizzaguy. Because he's always guilty.

[ULC]

Vote: Askthepizzaguy. Because he's always guilty.

You sir, hey sir, do you wish to double your vote? Do you wish your vote had more weight? Well, sir, I can sell you a vote! That's right, an entirely new vote of such quality it will double what you have now! Think of the possibilities!

Not only do you get this new double vote, but, it comes fairly cheaply to! It never breaks, never goes bad, never has to be replaced! Can your Horse do that? I think not! So why buy a new horse when you can buy this high quality vote! Double your voting power today! Our barters are standing inline and waiting!

[gibsonsg91921]

Try to keep a running tally - it's enough work hosting the game already.

[Chaotix]

Human behavior file 54627: How not to be seen.

1. Act uninterested.

2. Don't make your notes public.

3. Oops.

4. ?????

5. Profit!

That's just WIFOM, actually. A mafioso could stay low-key, and risk being called a lurker, or he could be vocal and "helpful", with the reasoning that no mafioso would do that sort of thing for fear of being noticed.

But I'm sure you knew that.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

[DJGingivitis]

Vote YLC Selling your vote seems....how do you say... SUSPICIOUSLY SUSPICIOUS!

[ULC]

Vote YLC Selling your vote seems....how do you say... SUSPICIOUSLY SUSPICIOUS!

I tell you I am an honest tradesman! Here, check out my product, for the next 6 hours, if you want, so you can come to a decision as to whether or not to buy.

Vote: YLC

[A Very Super Market]

I'd like to buy your vote and vote for you.

Vote: YLC

[ULC]

I'd like to buy your vote and vote for you.

Vote: YLC

SOLD! Now, whom should this vote go for? Do you want it gift wrapped?

[A Very Super Market]

It's for YLC. Wrap it in a coffin, please.

[Lord Winter]

vote: sigurd

[GeneralHankerchief]

A heads-up until the High and Exalted khaan, I may be without internet until Tuesday morning. Please don't WoG me. :hide:

[Death is yonder]

That's just WIFOM, actually. A mafioso could stay low-key, and risk being called a lurker, or he could be vocal and "helpful", with the reasoning that no mafioso would do that sort of thing for fear of being noticed.

But I'm sure you knew that.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

More WIFOM, stop increasing the brewery's production :stare:

There are always two sides of the coin and common sense is the deciding factor as to which side is correct.

FactionHeir: 3
gibsonsg91921: 2
TinCow: 2
DJGingivtis: 1
Beskar: 1
Reenk Roink: 1
Khazaar: 1
Beefy187: 1
Abstain: 1
AVSM: 1
ATPG: 2
YLC: 2
Sigurd: 1

AVSM's vote for YLC is not counted because he didn't unvote himself.

Would it be too much to ask for a tally in "Person X: Y( Person Z, Person A, Person B) Next round? :sweatdrop::sweatdrop:

It would be awfully more convenient in tallying.:yes:

[Jolt]

Vote: ATPG

random.org sucks.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No thanks, I've been the round one pick enough times for my taste.

unvote, vote: FactionHeir

[atheotes]

unvote, Vote: abstain

[TinCow]

unvote, Vote: abstain

Why are you unvoting? Beefy is not at risk of being lynched. :inquisitive:

[Beefy187]

Vote: ATPG

random.org sucks.

You dare question the randomness of random.org?
Blasphemy!

Unvote, Vote: Jolt

EDIT: Came back because I saw my name...Good. That just makes me an suspect on day one..

[Askthepizzaguy]

I informed FactionHeir he was in danger of being voted off, and he has yet to even read the message. I'd prefer not to die, but it would be nice if I had a candidate besides him to vote for.

[Death is yonder]

I am rather surprised that all the people that I have voted for have became bandwagonned very fast.

First Gibson, then Faction Heir...:inquisitive::inquisitive:

[Reenk Roink]

No thanks, I've been the round one pick enough times for my taste.

unvote, vote: FactionHeir

the word is out -uh-
you're doing wrong -uh-
gonna lock you up
before too long -uh-

your lying eyes
gonna take you right -uh-
so listen up -uh-
don't make a fight -uh- -uh-

your talk is cheap
you're not a man -uh-
you're throwing stones
to hide your hands

Unvote: abstain, courteously :bow:
Vote: Askthepizzaguy

FactionHeir: 4
gibsonsg91921: 1
TinCow: 2
DJGingivtis: 1
Beskar: 1
Reenk Roink: 1
AVSM: 1
ATPG: 4
YLC: 2
Sigurd: 1
Abstain: 1
Jolt: 1

[seireikhaan]

Ok, looks as though we've a tie. People may still vote for whomever they wish, but whomever has the most votes the very instant a deadlock is broken shall be lynched.

[Beskar]

I would vote Reenk Roink, but that would get ATPG lynched and nothing ATPG has done is scummy, while FactionHeir is purposely lurking.

[Reenk Roink]

I would vote Reenk Roink, but that would get ATPG lynched and nothing ATPG has done is scummy, while FactionHeir is purposely lurking.

but my friend you have seen nothing
just-a wait til I get through...

[Reenk Roink]

we're sending out
a major love
and this is our
message to you (message to you)



Hmm, Beskar seems a little too into this discussion for Day One.

Unvote: Split
Vote: Beskar


Human behavior file 54627: How not to be seen.

1. Act uninterested.

2. Don't make your notes public.

3. Oops.

4. ?????

5. Profit!


I would vote Reenk Roink, but that would get ATPG lynched and nothing ATPG has done is scummy, while FactionHeir is purposely lurking.

the planets are lining up
we're bringing brighter days
they're all in line
waiting for you
can't you see?

[TinCow]

Two hours and no one has broken the tie? Let's get the game moving.

Unvote; Vote: FactionHeir

Nothing personal, but the first round ATPG lynches have finally gotten old.

[seireikhaan]

With my brush at the ready, I stood attentive to observe this "council" of sorts that had been called. I was honestly not sure what exactly to expect. I had only been witness to one council previously. That one had been held by Jenghiz himself, so the riff raff were held relatively silent during that one. With the great leader gone, it seemed that all sense of civility departed with him. As soon as the council was given the right to start, various warriors and tribesmen began shouting at each other. Threats were made, as were insinuations of the purity of certain tribesmen's mothers. Even a few seemed convinced that some of their fellow tribesmen were from some kind of secret order, that held the world on strings like so many little puppets! I frantically attempted to mark down each accusation, but it was difficult in the chaos to remember who had actually accused whom.

Fortunately, as the day wore on, the tribesmen began to wear themselves out. Unaccustomed to general debate, many simply departed from the council for a few hours, to grab a pony and go for a ride. I felt fortunate, as this time allowed me to get my records in some kind of legible order. It was not until the sun began its descent on the horizon that I was finished. This was good, as Shinzei Khan finally motioned for the council to be finished. He requested each tribesmen be fetched for the finale. He asked which tribesmen had garnered the most accusations. I informed him it was a man named they called FactionHeir. Shinzei snorted at the name, perhaps suspicious that that the name was indeed an accurate portrayal of the man's station. Either way he motioned that the man be brought before him. Four tribesmen wrestled FactionHeir to the ground, to ensure his compliance. A fifth tribesmen handed Shinzei a spear, which he accepted in his right hand. It was at this moment that I realized what the exact nature of the council was, and that it was indeed entirely different from the previous council I witnessed. The four warriors forced FactionHeir onto his knees, with his face held aloft to face his superior. Shinzei wasted little time; he grabbed the spear in both hands, and thrust it through the man's chest, an angry and fierce look upon his face as he ended the man's life.

With the death of the man called FactionHeir, the council was finished. Shinzei Khan issued the order that the camp remain vigilant for any more attacks.

-- The Record of Zhang Qian



FactionHeir: 5
ATPG: 4
TinCow: 2
YLC: 2
DJGingivtis: 1
Beskar: 1
Reenk Roink: 1
AVSM: 1
Sigurd: 1
Abstain: 1
Jolt: 1


Alive: 23

Askthepizzaguy
Atheotes
A Very Super Market
Beefy
Beskar
Caius
Chaotix
Death is Yonder
DJGingivtis
GeneralHankerchief
Gibsonsg91921
Ichigo
Jolt
Khazaar
Lord Winter
pevergreen
Reenk Roink
Sigurd
Splitpersonality
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D
YLC

Dead: 1

Yaropolk (N1)

Lynched: 1

FactionHeir (D1)

WoK'd: 0


I want orders in 24 hours!

For future reference, it would be awesome if the tally could keep track of exactly who is voting for whom.

[Jolt]

Thus passes FactionHeir, son of FactionLeader.

[FactionHeir]

I wasn't aware the game started until I just got ATPG's PM... oh well

[seireikhaan]

Atheotes was no fool. He knew that anyone attempting to kill would seek out targets that offered no resistance. Targets that were asleep, for example. Thus, he resolved that he would not sleep, not so long as infiltrators were killing his fellow tribesmen. He sat cross legged in the middle of his tent, a small fire burning in front of him. He steeled his gaze towards the blaze. "I won't fall sleep", he reassured himself. "I won't fall asleep as long as I stare into the flames." Though his chin dipped onto his chest, his eyes remained focus, glaring almost angrily into the fire. The seconds ticked by, oh so slowly, it seemed. How slowly indeed....

A young, fit man halted outside a tent. A faint glow emanated from the inside of the tent, while smoke plumed out of a hole in the top. The man seemed puzzled- was the occupant really still awake? The man inched towards the opening of the tent. He extended his neck and tilted his head, giving the slightest of peeks inside. The occupant was sitting squatted, staring at the fire. He seemed not to be moving. The man pulled his head back quickly. He waited for a second, to hear if the occupant was getting up, if he had been spotted. There seemed to movement. The man extended his left hand in front of the opening of the tent, waving it back and forth, then pulling it back. Still no movement coul be heard. The man rotated ont eh spot three hundred and sixty degrees, making sure nobody was about. He pulled a bow from his back, and an arrow from his quiver. He stepped lightly into the tent opening, this time in full view. He nocked the bow, and pulled the draw back, aiming at the comatose man sitting in front of the fire. Still, he was a bit puzzled as to why the occupant would not move. Shaking concern aside, the man let the string go....

Atheotes was adrift. Such freedom! He was riding his trusted steed across the sand. It was so unseasonably warm. And this sand, so white and pure. The pale blue ocean lapped gently on the flat, beautiful beach. And best of all, not a person to pester him! No one asking him for favors. No one attempting to take his life or possessions. Yes, this truly was a paradise, where he could ride and ride, free from all the binds of the world. His steed started to slow, and he gave it some slack on the reigns, as a reward for its previous service. As the horse trotted along, Atheotes spotted a very lage bird in the sky. He wondered vaguely what it might be. An eagle, perhaps? Or a hawk? He tilted his head in bewilderment was the bird changed its course; no longer soaring above him in the same direction, it tilted into speedy nosedive. It angled backwards- directly towards Atheotes. The bird came, faster and faster. He tried to pull the reigns back, to turn his steed in another direction, but the horse suddenly became obstinate. The bird was humoungous! It was easily larger than any animal he'd seen! He kicked his heels to the horse's side, desperate to get it going, but the horse remained solid in its stance. The bird extended its talons as it sped ever closer, and struck! The talons sunk into his chest. The pain was excruciating. As the bird took to the skies, Atheotes' eyes shot wide open.

His tent... he was still in his tent... yet the pain was very real. His head swiveled. An arrow was lodged in his chest. He could feel the head rammed through and past his rib cage. The opening to his tent was open, but nobody was there. Atheotes fell backwards, away from the fire in his tent. Blood continued to empty from his chest. He tried to yell for help, but the pain was too much. All he could manage were intermittent gasps of pain, separated by moments of silent pain as he gritted teeth and lay there. He wrenched a hand to his chest. He grabbed the arrow. He yanked on the arrow, attempting to mitigate the pain. The arrow came loose, and Atheotes screamed. The pain became a thousand times worse for an instant, before subsiding. However, the arrow had been too close to his heart- blood flowed out of the wound like a river. "Now, finally," Atheotes thought. "True Freedom...."




Once more I was awakened by a commotion outside of my tent. I groggily stepped out, feeling slightly depressed that, once more, I had been awakened by sunrise. I motioned to the guards outside my tent. I stumped off to where the council had been held yesterday. It seems that another had been killed. The vast majority of the camp was already there, as was Shinzei Khan. He glared at me, seeming to be irritated that I had taken as long as I did. He snapped at me to get over by his side once more, to record yet another adventurous council.

-- The Record of Zhang Qian.


Alive: 22

Askthepizzaguy
A Very Super Market
Beefy
Beskar
Caius
Chaotix
Death is Yonder
DJGingivtis
GeneralHankerchief
Gibsonsg91921
Ichigo
Jolt
Khazaar
Lord Winter
pevergreen
Reenk Roink
Sigurd
Splitpersonality
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D
YLC

Dead: 2

Yaropolk (N1)
Atheotes (N2)

Lynched: 1

FactionHeir (D1)

WoK'd: 0

BEGIN DAY PHASE! PLEASE KEEP A TALLY! THE PHASE WILL LAST 36 HOURS.

[gibsonsg91921]

Vote: YLC

Still trying to wash the scum from your vote selling out of my pores...

YLC: 1

[ULC]

Vote: YLC

Still trying to wash the scum from your vote selling out of my pores...

YLC: 1

Sir, I did not sell you my product, so you must be mistaken - I keep very good books on whom I sell to, always have to keep track of customers.

[Reenk Roink]

it's close to midnight and something evil's lurking in the dark
under the moonlight you see a sight that almost stops your heart

you try to scream! but terror takes the sound before you make it
you start to freeze... as horror looks you right between the eyes...

you're paralyzed!

cause this is thriller!
thriller night
and no one's gonna save you from the beast about to strike

you know it's thriller!
thriller night
you're fighting for your life inside a... killer, thriller, toniiiight


Vote: Beskar

YLC: 1 (gibsonsg91921)
Beskar: 1 (Reenk Roink)

[pevergreen]

Vote: Ichigo

Make him feel welcome.

I'm the only player with a p as the first letter of my username
:2thumbsup:

[A Very Super Market]

If only the pever rangers didn't start, then I could change my name to "pA Very Super Market".

Vote: Khazaar, because I can't see him, thus he does not exist.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I shall again

Vote: Beskar

On my one-bar internet connection. Will take a better look at things come Tuesday.

[Beefy187]

Vote: DiY

[DJGingivitis]

Vote:YLC I agree with gib on this one.
YLC: 2 (gibsonsg91921, DJGingivitis)
Beskar: s (Reenk Roink,GeneralHankerchief)
DiY:1 (Beefy187)
Khazaar: 1 (A Very Super Market)
Ichigo:1 (pevergreen)

Updated tally.

[Beskar]

Reenk Roink is just doing a cheap OMGUS vote, because I called him out yesterday. Now he is contributing nothing to the town other than copy and pasting lyrics. So I am placing bets on that it is a Mafia trying to stall the town, don't have time for slackers.

Vote: Reenk Roink

[Jolt]

Vote: Beefy

For voting for me.

[DJGingivitis]

Vote:YLC I agree with gib on this one.
YLC: 2 (gibsonsg91921, DJGingivitis)
Beskar: s (Reenk Roink,GeneralHankerchief)
DiY:1 (Beefy187)
Khazaar: 1 (A Very Super Market)
Ichigo:1 (pevergreen)
Reenk Roink:1 (Beskar)
Beefy:1 (Jolt)

Fine I'll keep it updated because I am bored at 1 in the morning. Haha.

[Lord Winter]

Vote: Pever

This game needs no names that start with P's.

[White_eyes:D]

I shall again

Vote: Beskar

On my one-bar internet connection. Will take a better look at things come Tuesday.

Scummy.....Vote:GH:thumbsdown:

[Death is yonder]

Vote:Abstain

'Cause I'm wondering why is there 1 kill and 2 mafia.

Edit:
Vote: DiY

DIY: Why?
Beefy: Vote: DiY
DIY: Why?
Beefy: Vote: DiY
DIY: Why?
Beefy: Vote DiY

:beam:

[ULC]

Vote:YLC I agree with gib on this one.
YLC: 2 (gibsonsg91921, DJGingivitis)
Beskar: s (Reenk Roink,GeneralHankerchief)
DiY:1 (Beefy187)
Khazaar: 1 (A Very Super Market)
Ichigo:1 (pevergreen)

Updated tally.

You sir! Do you wish to buy my one of a kind vote sir? It's the only low cost, double vote multiplier around, and it's sure to work! Buy now, and get the next rounds free! That's right, a deal quadruple proportions!

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[Askthepizzaguy]

vote: GeneralHankerchief




YLC: 2 (gibsonsg91921, DJGingivitis)
Beskar: 2 (Reenk Roink,GeneralHankerchief)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (White_Eyes:D, Askthepizzaguy)
DiY:1 (Beefy187)
Khazaar: 1 (A Very Super Market)
Ichigo:1 (pevergreen)
Reenk Roink:1 (Beskar)
Beefy:1 (Jolt)
pevergreen: 1 (Lord Winter)


Abstain: (Death is Yonder)

[Sigurd]

vote: Reenk Roink

We need more than Michael Jackson... and it will give us ample opportunity to call a third on a bandwagon. :beam:

[Death is yonder]

Waitt a minute!


Vote:YLC I agree with gib on this one.


Lets see, you agree with Gibson's interesting reasoning :beam:


Still trying to wash the scum from your vote selling out of my pores...

Unvote; Abstain
Vote: DJGingivitis

~:wave:

Welcome to mafia.

~:wave:


Edited Wrong Tally out to remove confusion

[Askthepizzaguy]

Your tally, she wants to be re-checked so badly.

[Death is yonder]

YLC: 2 (Gibson, DJGingivitis)
Beskar: 2(Reenk,GH)
Reenk: 2(Beskar, Sigurd)
GH: 2(Whiteeyes, ATPG)
Ichigo: 1(pever)
Khazaar: 1(AVSM)
DIY: 1 (Beefy)
Beefy: 1(Jolt)
pevergreen: 1(Lord Winter)
DJ: 1(DiY)

Rechecked

:bow:

[DJGingivitis]

Death I would just like to say, 2nd vote. Sigurd voted me earlier. Just thought I would point that out.

[Death is yonder]

My reading skills are terrible today... :embarassed:

Still, that is besides the point of my accusation. :inquisitive:

[pevergreen]

Unvote: Ichigo, Vote: DIY

Communist.

[Beefy187]

Vote:Abstain

'Cause I'm wondering why is there 1 kill and 2 mafia.

Edit:

DIY: Why?
Beefy: Vote: DiY
DIY: Why?
Beefy: Vote: DiY
DIY: Why?
Beefy: Vote DiY

:beam:


Waitt a minute!



Lets see, you agree with Gibson's interesting reasoning :beam:


Unvote; Abstain
Vote: DJGingivitis

~:wave:

Welcome to mafia.

~:wave:


Edited Wrong Tally out to remove confusion

I foreseen the future :beam:. Anyone who votes for newcomers in early round must be desperate to find a reason to vote for someone.

[Death is yonder]

Precisely! Which is why we must turn to the ever reliable form of proper manners, retaliation voting! Thank you Mr Beefy, for your kind consideration in reminding me :beam: :yes:

Unvote;DJ
Vote:Beefy


Unvote: Ichigo, Vote: DIY

Communist.

Tsk, your just sad you're a peace monger now :laugh4:

YLC: 2 (Gibson, DJGingivitis)
Beskar: 2(Reenk,GH)
Reenk: 2(Beskar, Sigurd)
GH: 2(Whiteeyes, ATPG)
Beefy: 2(Jolt,DiY)
DIY: 2 (Beefy,pever)
Ichigo: 1(pever)
Khazaar: 1(AVSM)
pevergreen: 1(Lord Winter)

Excellent 6 way tie people, I marvel at your attempts for a mass execution :laugh4:

[atheotes]

i would bet the person who killed me is one of the townies from the "cold winter" game... i think it could be Beskar :juggle2:

[TinCow]

Reenk Roink is just doing a cheap OMGUS vote, because I called him out yesterday. Now he is contributing nothing to the town other than copy and pasting lyrics. So I am placing bets on that it is a Mafia trying to stall the town, don't have time for slackers.

Vote: Reenk Roink


vote: Reenk Roink

We need more than Michael Jackson... and it will give us ample opportunity to call a third on a bandwagon. :beam:

This is interesting. Reenk is just being Reenk. Humorous nonsense along with a vote with no explanation. That's actually par for the course for early-game Reenk as far as I can tell. Beskar's reaction is understandable, given that he's the target of Reenk's nonsense and probably doesn't realize that this is jut how Reenk plays. However, Sigurd certainly knows Reenk's playing style, which makes his vote more curious.

What are you up to Sigurd?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I think Beskar's been around the block long enough now to recognize Reenk's playstyle.

[Beskar]

Being honest, top of my head, I haven't played with Reenk Roink before.
(Cold Winter doesn't count, as he was lynched first round.)

Actually, Atheotes, I didn't kill you, however, if you wonder who might want to kill some one, you did first round kill Reenk Roink on his first game back. So using your argument, there are better choices out there.

[Reenk Roink]

Reenk Roink is just doing a cheap OMGUS vote, because I called him out yesterday. Now he is contributing nothing to the town other than copy and pasting lyrics. So I am placing bets on that it is a Mafia trying to stall the town, don't have time for slackers.

Vote: Reenk Roink

I'm typing these lyrics out by hand while listening to to songs! :stare:

Retaliation voting (the Hollywood term is OMGUS) is one of the most noble and sensible reasons for voting, not to mention it's pragmatic reasons are through the roof. You seem to be falling into a trap of taking Mafia cliches as axioms...

I'd say this is how the town gets exploited...

However, this was not a retaliation vote. I think their is a pattern between you and Askthepizzaguy in that you both are trying to defend each other...


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May I please buy your vote? :bow: If you accept, vote Beskar.


This is interesting. Reenk is just being Reenk. Humorous nonsense along with a vote with no explanation. That's actually par for the course for early-game Reenk as far as I can tell. Beskar's reaction is understandable, given that he's the target of Reenk's nonsense and probably doesn't realize that this is jut how Reenk plays. However, Sigurd certainly knows Reenk's playing style, which makes his vote more curious.

What are you up to Sigurd?

His post kinda just looks like a lighthearted random vote on something that caught his attention.


I think Beskar's been around the block long enough now to recognize Reenk's playstyle

I think he joined around Swords in the Moon which was my last game until just now.


Being honest, top of my head, I haven't played with Reenk Roink before.
(Cold Winter doesn't count, as he was lynched first round.)

Actually, Atheotes, I didn't kill you, however, if you wonder who might want to kill some one, you did first round kill Reenk Roink on his first game back. So using your argument, there are better choices out there.

We played together in Swords in the Moon... :no: You even went after me there like here... :laugh4:

[Reenk Roink]

nation to nation all the world must come together face the problems that we see then maybe somehow we can work it out -ah-



Hmm, Beskar seems a little too into this discussion for Day One.

Unvote: Split
Vote: Beskar


Human behavior file 54627: How not to be seen.

1. Act uninterested.

2. Don't make your notes public.

3. Oops.

4. ?????

5. Profit!


the word is out -uh-
you're doing wrong -uh-
gonna lock you up
before too long -uh-

your lying eyes
gonna take you right -uh-
so listen up -uh-
don't make a fight -uh- -uh-

your talk is cheap
you're not a man -uh-
you're throwing stones
to hide your hands

Unvote: abstain, courteously :bow:
Vote: Askthepizzaguy


I would vote Reenk Roink, but that would get ATPG lynched and nothing ATPG has done is scummy, while FactionHeir is purposely lurking.


I shall again

Vote: Beskar

On my one-bar internet connection. Will take a better look at things come Tuesday.


vote: GeneralHankerchief

they're all in line
waiting for you
can't you see?


vote: Reenk Roink

We need more than Michael Jackson... and it will give us ample opportunity to call a third on a bandwagon. :beam:

jam!

it ain't too much stuff (jam!)
it ain't too much
it ain't too much for me to jam!
it ain't... it ain't too much stuff
it ain't... don't you
it ain't too much for me to jam!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I take it the insinuation is that Beskar and I are mafia partners?

Well, when either he or I are lynched, which will probably be soon, that theory will go out the window. But I can't begrudge the attempt. :shrug:

[Beskar]

Because I thought Reenk Roink was scummy for purposefully tying up the game, to in fact, save his own Mafia partner? His argument doesn't even make sense. I pointed out how it was weird there was only one Mafia kill in a two-Mafia game. As TinCow said, AskthePizzaGuy always gets first round lynched, and you got a very good player (which would be a benefit to the town) versus a lurker (another good player) not commenting at all and one Mafia never made the kill, it makes perfect sense.

We’re no strangers to love,
You know the rules and so do I.
A full commitment’s what I’m thinking of,
You wouldnt get this from any other guy.

I just wanna tell you how I’m feeling,
Gotta make you understand…

Never gonna give you up,
Never gonna let you down,
Never gonna run around and desert you.
Never gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye,
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.

I think it is pretty evident that your only purpose is to be a distraction to the town, you have no arguments, no say, you make quotes out of order then post random lyrics.

Young man, there's no need to feel down.
I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground.
I said, young man, 'cause you're in a new town
There's no need to be unhappy.

Young man, there's a place you can go.
I said, young man, when you're short on your dough.
You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time.

It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.
It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.


Obviously, to be a townie, you must be a useless and serve no purpose other than spam the topic with lyrics. Definitely not a Mafia tactic.

[A Very Super Market]

Of course, everyone ignores lurkers.

Hi y'all.

Vote: Beskar

Hopefully, his 2000th post won't be something silly, like accusing me.

[Reenk Roink]

Because I thought Reenk Roink was scummy for purposefully tying up the game, to in fact, save his own Mafia partner?

FactionHeir wasn't Mafia most likely. Note that Askthepizzaguy purposely one upped the tally when it was tied himself, your standards don't apply to that because? He is your Mafia partner would be one explanation....


His argument doesn't even make sense. I pointed out how it was weird there was only one Mafia kill in a two-Mafia game. As TinCow said, AskthePizzaGuy always gets first round lynched, and you got a very good player (which would be a benefit to the town) versus a lurker (another good player) not commenting at all and one Mafia never made the kill, it makes perfect sense.

How does my argument not make sense when you and Askthepizzaguy both seem to want to vote against those who vote for the other?

I think it's better to lynch an active player than to lynch a lurker in the beginning. I believe the entire policy of lynching lurkers is cliched and lazy. It's a very easy fallback, especially for Mafia.


Obviously, to be a townie, you must be a useless and serve no purpose other than spam the topic with lyrics. Definitely not a Mafia tactic.

You mad? :laugh4: My lyrics, if you read them, carry quite the message and are pertinent to the game at hand.

[Beskar]

It is obvious that you are playing in the hands of the Mafia. How am I guilty for not changing my vote and you are innocent for changing it last second? It makes no sense, why would you change your fault last minute to purposely tie-off the game?

The fact is, if Askthepizzaguy is active, it is easier to see if he is Mafia or not, and attracts the attention to detectives, for them to investigate. Compared to some one who is a good player, completely lurking, who would escape the attention of a detective, and thus, not have his innocent checked, and then he reaches the end of the game and goes "Hai guis, I was Mafia!".

It's pretty obvious you are scummy, you try to justify voting for me, post-hoc, aka, I never aroused your attention until I accused you, then like a desperate Mafia, you are trying to post-hoc justify lynching me, just because I suggested you for doing so for purposely scummy actions.

[Reenk Roink]

It is obvious that you are playing in the hands of the Mafia. How am I guilty for not changing my vote and you are innocent for changing it last second? It makes no sense, why would you change your fault last minute to purposely tie-off the game?

I was piqued by ATPG trying to save his own skin. Not at all thinking he was Mafia or not at that point, but I thought it to be cheap. It turned out to be a great lead... :2thumbsup:


The fact is, if Askthepizzaguy is active, it is easier to see if he is Mafia or not, and attracts the attention to detectives, for them to investigate. Compared to some one who is a good player, completely lurking, who would escape the attention of a detective, and thus, not have his innocent checked, and then he reaches the end of the game and goes "Hai guis, I was Mafia!".

You sure this is how detectives work? At least in my case, as a detective, given nothing else to go on, I go after people who post less.


It's pretty obvious you are scummy, you try to justify voting for me, post-hoc, aka, I never aroused your attention until I accused you, then like a desperate Mafia, you are trying to post-hoc justify lynching me, just because I suggested you for doing so for purposely scummy actions.

Of course you never aroused my suspicion until you accused me. :wall:

That was when I saw there might be a potential link between you and ATPG. Something that was strengthened by an earlier reply of ATPG to GeneralHankerchief voting for you in round 1, and again in this round by ATPG just voting for GH after he again voted for you. :smash:

Lastly:


because i'm bad, i'm bad... shamon!
you know i'm bad, i'm bad... you know it! (bad bad-really, really bad)


:beam:

YLC: 2 (Gibson, DJGingivitis)
Beskar: 3(Reenk,GH,AVSM)
Reenk: 2(Beskar, Sigurd)
GH: 2(Whiteeyes, ATPG)
Beefy: 2(Jolt,DiY)
DIY: 2 (Beefy,pever)
Ichigo: 1(pever)
Khazaar: 1(AVSM)
pevergreen: 1(Lord Winter)

[Tratorix]

Though it pains me to type this, I don't really see anything odd about the way Beskar is playing. Voting to lynch lurkers, accusing anyone who accuses him, trying to discredit his accusers... It seems like his standard playing style to me. :shrug: This whole lynching people like Beskar and ATPG early on is starting to get old. if you legitimately think he's guilty, fine, but we shouldn't lynch him because of how he plays. Ugh.

Vote: Beefy because we haven't lynched him in a while. i want to tie the vote and don't really want to vote for anyone else who has two so... :laugh4:

YLC: 2 (Gibson, DJGingivitis)
Beskar: 3(Reenk,GH,AVSM)
Reenk: 2(Beskar, Sigurd)
GH: 2(Whiteeyes, ATPG)
Beefy: 3(Jolt,DiY, Tratorix)
DIY: 2 (Beefy,pever)
Ichigo: 1(pever)
Khazaar: 1(AVSM)
pevergreen: 1(Lord Winter)

Also, Fos: Gibson and DJgingivitis . YLC acting a bit weird doesn't equal mafia, it means he's roleplaying his role. Not a very good case to go on.

[Beskar]

I was piqued by ATPG trying to save his own skin. Not at all thinking he was Mafia or not at that point, but I thought it to be cheap. It turned out to be a great lead... :2thumbsup:

You mean AskthePizzaGuy never saves his own skin?!?!

News to me.


You sure this is how detectives work? At least in my case, as a detective, given nothing else to go on, I go after people who post less.

They usually go after the active ones, as it is easier to attempt to bandwagon them if they turn out guilty without revealing.


Of course you never aroused my suspicion until you accused me. :wall:

Yes, so all of this is a OMGUS, because you were caught out being scummy. Great logic there, batman, accuse people when they pick up your balant scumminess.


That was when I saw there might be a potential link between you and ATPG. Something that was strengthened by an earlier reply of ATPG to GeneralHankerchief voting for you in round 1, and again in this round by ATPG just voting for GH after he again voted for you. :smash:

Because obviously, I control AskthePizzaGuy's vote. I haven't got a clue for his reasoning, but it is unrelated.

[DJGingivitis]

Still nonetheless, his role is neutral (to the public eyes) but if he decides to side with the mafia one of these times then townies are going to get screwed. 2 quick votes can change the outcome of a round. I am referring to YLC in this matter and his option of selling his vote.

[Reenk Roink]

You mean AskthePizzaGuy never saves his own skin?!?!

News to me.

They usually go after the active ones, as it is easier to attempt to bandwagon them if they turn out guilty without revealing.

Yes, so all of this is a OMGUS, because you were caught out being scummy. Great logic there, batman, accuse people when they pick up your balant scumminess.

Because obviously, I control AskthePizzaGuy's vote. I haven't got a clue for his reasoning, but it is unrelated.

You know there are problems with basing your conclusions solely on what people do in the past. Also, there are plenty of times that Atpg has not tried to save his own skin, so basing it on past behavior is problematic right there.

I never consider the ease of getting a person lynched as the basis for a detective investigation... :huh:

I prefer to be called Robin. :furious3: You can think it is a retaliation vote if you want, I like retaliation voting anyway. :laugh4:

[TinCow]

I pointed out how it was weird there was only one Mafia kill in a two-Mafia game. As TinCow said, AskthePizzaGuy always gets first round lynched, and you got a very good player (which would be a benefit to the town) versus a lurker (another good player) not commenting at all and one Mafia never made the kill, it makes perfect sense.

Don't assume one mafioso has been inactive/lurking. The mafioso could have only one kill between them, and there are also many, many reasons for mafioso to not use their full killing power, especially in the beginning.


FactionHeir wasn't Mafia most likely. Note that Askthepizzaguy purposely one upped the tally when it was tied himself, your standards don't apply to that because? He is your Mafia partner would be one explanation....

Anyone who doesn't save his own skin when he can is a fool. So sayeth me.

[Tratorix]

Still nonetheless, his role is neutral (to the public eyes) but if he decides to side with the mafia one of these times then townies are going to get screwed. 2 quick votes can change the outcome of a round. I am referring to YLC in this matter and his option of selling his vote.

Lynching neutral roles isn't our goal. Lynching the mafia is. While he could possibly be a threat in the end game, right now an extra vote wouldn't make much difference to the mafia and we only get so many lynches.


Anyone who doesn't save his own skin when he can is a fool. So sayeth me.

Ah, but ATPG has a history of simply meekly accepting his own lynch. For him, saving his own skin is a bit odd.

[TinCow]

Ah, but ATPG has a history of simply meekly accepting his own lynch. For him, saving his own skin is a bit odd.

It's been a while since I played with ATPG, but I recall his attitude shifting after about the 10th time that didn't work. The last few games I've seen ATPG in, he hasn't acted the same as his original suicidally verbose self. Given the results that style of play got him, I think that was a good move. That's also why I chose to save his bacon in the first round. ATPG reformed his play style, so he deserves a break from us.

[Beskar]

Don't assume one mafioso has been inactive/lurking. The mafioso could have only one kill between them, and there are also many, many reasons for mafioso to not use their full killing power, especially in the beginning.

Doesn't that make the game really unbalanced? If there is only one kill.

edit:

As for askthepizzaguy, look at Splittered Cells game, he is doing what he did there, basically. He was a townie to the very end, always changing and backstabbing to stay alive.

[Tratorix]

It's been a while since I played with ATPG, but I recall his attitude shifting after about the 10th time that didn't work. The last few games I've seen ATPG in, he hasn't acted the same as his original suicidally verbose self. Given the results that style of play got him, I think that was a good move. That's also why I chose to save his bacon in the first round. ATPG reformed his play style, so he deserves a break from us.

Oh, I'm not saying we should lynch him now. I'm just saying we should keep an eye on him. As for reforming his playstyle, define "reformed". :laugh4:

[DJGingivitis]

Lynching neutral roles isn't our goal. Lynching the mafia is. While he could possibly be a threat in the end game, right now an extra vote wouldn't make much difference to the mafia and we only get so many lynches.


We do not know if he is neutral or not. He may be all for the mafia and we do not know it. Unless you know it somehow and we don't. Mafiaoso...

[TinCow]

Doesn't that make the game really unbalanced? If there is only one kill.

Impossible to say without knowing how the game is set up. Note the following in the rules:


Town: ?(yes, I'm evil like that.)

Twists? Perhaps.

This isn't just straight up mafia vs. town, there's likely something else going on here as well. In khaan's previous game, he introduced the ability to resurrect dead players to the Gameroom. He has interesting ideas on game twists, so assuming that any specific setup situation must apply is dangerous.

[Reenk Roink]

Doesn't that make the game really unbalanced? If there is only one kill.

edit:

As for askthepizzaguy, look at Splittered Cells game, he is doing what he did there, basically. He was a townie to the very end, always changing and backstabbing to stay alive.

Your cases eerily remind me of SkyNet... :inquisitive:


It's been a while since I played with ATPG, but I recall his attitude shifting after about the 10th time that didn't work. The last few games I've seen ATPG in, he hasn't acted the same as his original suicidally verbose self. Given the results that style of play got him, I think that was a good move. That's also why I chose to save his bacon in the first round. ATPG reformed his play style, so he deserves a break from us.

Normally, I would agree but for the fact that I am really feeling this Atpg-Beskar connection. Given that it's early and the votes on the other people seem to have even less of a case than mine (and I have never been strong at making these cases), I'm going to push ahead with it. I feel a lot better about lynching Beskar than Atpg though... :laugh4:

[ULC]

SOLD!, to the man of the Reenk and in the Roink sir, SOLD, and have a good day sir!

Vote: Beskar

I'm sorry folks, but I'm going to have to close up shop early, and with my double deals today, I'll have nothing in stock until the day after tomorrow, honest merchant am I.

[Tratorix]

We do not know if he is neutral or not. He may be all for the mafia and we do not know it. Unless you know it somehow and we don't. Mafiaoso...

You were the one who called him neutral though...

Also, you misspelled Mafioso.

[TinCow]

Vote: YLC

'Selling votes' is an easy way to skate through rounds without having to justify your actions.

[ULC]

Vote: YLC

'Selling votes' is an easy way to skate through rounds without having to justify your actions.

I am appalled you you sir, would accuse me of dealings of less then honorable nature! I am, and will always be a clean, honest business man. If your unsatisfied with the results of my product, then it is a fault of your own, for everything I sell if of the highest quality and there is no competitor!

Continue along your insinuations, and I will simply not be able to sell to you at all sir.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh noes, not Beskar. Must save him, etc.

unvote, vote: YLC

[A Very Super Market]

A...B...C!

Vote: Caius

[Tratorix]

Oh noes, not Beskar. Must save him, etc.

unvote, vote: YLC

Sarcasm aside, you are still voting to save him.


A...B...C!

Vote: Caius

Unvote is your friend.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sarcasm aside, you are still voting to save him.

That is correct. And, I didn't wait until the last minute to do so either.

If I absolutely HAVE to drop a hint, it's pointless.

[ULC]

Oh noes, not Beskar. Must save him, etc.

unvote, vote: YLC

Good sir, I suggest you stop trying to defame my product! It was sold entirely in a legitimate manner, and to go off and ruin if for someone else is downright despicable!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Good sir, I suggest you stop trying to defame my product! It was sold entirely in a legitimate manner, and to go off and ruin if for someone else is downright despicable!

I don't have a problem with you selling votes. You aren't triggering my scumdar so I'd rather not lynch you either.

[TinCow]

I don't have a problem with you selling votes. You aren't triggering my scumdar so I'd rather not lynch you either.

:inquisitive: So... you really ARE voting YLC just to save Beskar?

[ULC]

I don't have a problem with you selling votes. You aren't triggering my scumdar so I'd rather not lynch you either.

This honest business man find your statement contradictory - for why is Beskar's product better then mine?

[Askthepizzaguy]

:inquisitive: So... you really ARE voting YLC just to save Beskar?

Pretty much. Not a lot of options here. And unless you guys think you nailed two mafia, I'd suggest a different approach.

[gibsonsg91921]

I think YLC has set up a perfect WIFOM by being totally flamboyant and attention-getting. No mafia would do that. But we would think that no mafia would do that so a mafia would do that. I've definitely rock-paper-scissor battled my wits to the death over this.

[DJGingivitis]

Gib, no matter if he is mafia or not, he is a deadly weapon that can be used to trigger hell on earth for the townies. Now with the number of player I feel like there is two mafioso. Therefore there is 3 vote swing if they get YLC to sell them their vote. While now that is not a huge deal, if they decide to push the vote over on someone getting close we might not have enough time to come back and counter this. Therefore if we take YLC out of the equation we have a better shot at surviving.


Also it is rock-paper-scissors-lizard-Spock.

[Tratorix]

Gib, no matter if he is mafia or not, he is a deadly weapon that can be used to trigger hell on earth for the townies. Now with the number of player I feel like there is two mafioso. Therefore there is 3 vote swing if they get YLC to sell them their vote. While now that is not a huge deal, if they decide to push the vote over on someone getting close we might not have enough time to come back and counter this. Therefore if we take YLC out of the equation we have a better shot at surviving.


Also it is rock-paper-scissors-lizard-Spock.

But for that to happen, one of the mafia has to approach YLC in thread and ask him to switch his vote, which would basically reveal them. You believe he's a neutral role, yet are still pushing to lynch him, which is very scummy IMHO.

[seireikhaan]

For everyone's info- this round will end end at exactly 7:00 AM CST aka 12:00 GMT

[ULC]

But for that to happen, one of the mafia has to approach YLC in thread and ask him to switch his vote, which would basically reveal them. You believe he's a neutral role, yet are still pushing to lynch him, which is very scummy IMHO.

OOC: Ah, the truth be spoken :laugh4:

[TinCow]

But for that to happen, one of the mafia has to approach YLC in thread and ask him to switch his vote, which would basically reveal them.

Or they could just do what Reenk did to get YLC to vote how they want in the first place... ask.

[White_eyes:D]

Unvote:GH Vote:Beefy:bow: (Your being far to quiet for your own good....:inquisitive:)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Perfect. YLC doesn't seem to care if he lives or dies. I even asked if I could buy his vote and move my own off of him, and he didn't even go for it. At this point I don't feel like lynching either YLC or Beskar.

unvote, vote: Beefy

Hmm... I've voted with White_Eyes twice this round. Personally I think that's very scummy of me. I'm keeping my peepers on you, pizzaguy.

[White_eyes:D]

FoS:ATPG
I don't like how you jumped on Beefy....:inquisitive: (Beefy better speak up.....I get a "scum feeling" from him....but I was wrong in the past:wall: If he speaks up....I will know if he is Mafia...Most of his posts so far, remind me of the times we were Scum buddies:beam:)

[Tratorix]

Or they could just do what Reenk did to get YLC to vote how they want in the first place... ask.

If someone trys to use his vote at a pivotal moment, don't you think people might find it a bit suspicious?

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ WE

If someone votes for someone you think is scum... they must be scum? There's a kink in your logic hose somewhere.

[White_eyes:D]

@ WE

If someone votes for someone you think is scum... they must be scum? There's a kink in your logic hose somewhere.

Why so jumpy??:clown: I think your a guy who would Lie,Cheat and Betray to save his scum buddies:bow: No need to remind me....:smash:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why so jumpy??:clown:

My momma was a frog and my daddy was a grasshopper.


I think your a guy who would Lie,Cheat and Betray to save his scum buddies

Thank you. :bow:

[White_eyes:D]

I can't lynch Beefy:shame:...If he is a townie....I would never forgive myself..:thumbsdown: Unvote:Beefy Vote:Beskar

[Beskar]

Unvote:GH Vote:Beefy:bow: (Your being far to quiet for your own good....:inquisitive:)
Tally
YLC: 4 (Gibson, DJGingivitis,TinCow,ATPG)
Beskar: 4(Reenk,GH,AVSM,YLC)
Beefy: 4(Jolt,DiY,Tratorix,White_eyes:D)
Reenk: 2(Beskar, Sigurd)
DIY: 2 (Beefy,pever)
Ichigo: 1(pever)
Khazaar: 1(AVSM)
pevergreen: 1(Lord Winter)
Caius: 1(AVSM)

Are you purposely messing up the tally, according to that, AVSM has 3 votes. I know is he A Very Special Market, but I doubt he is that powerful.
Edit: The Mistake was earlier on. Also noticed it with Pevergreen.

Correct Tally:

Tally

Beskar: 4(Reenk,GH, White_Eyes:D,YLC)
Beefy: 4(Jolt,DiY,Tratorix, ATPG)
YLC: 3 (Gibson, DJGingivitis,TinCow)
Reenk: 2(Beskar, Sigurd)
DIY: 2 (Beefy,pever)
Khazaar: 1(AVSM)
pevergreen: 1(Lord Winter)

[Beefy187]

Unvote:GH Vote:Beefy:bow: (Your being far to quiet for your own good....:inquisitive:)


Talking beefy is an equivalent of man marching towards the mine field, knowing that its a mine field. :bow:

Also I would like to point out that I have never ever won a game of mine sweepers.

For a proper defense, I have school everyday. I am unavailable when everyone is active, and I am available when everyone is not.

[White_eyes:D]

I messed up the tally???:furious3: (Knew I should have went back and started from the first vote in this round......I toke my tally off of Tratorix's....sorry about that....didn't mean to....:sweatdrop:)

[A Very Super Market]

Ooh, I like the attention. How do you know I don't have three votes? Put them back on! :clown: :bobby2:

[White_eyes:D]

Are you purposely messing up the tally, according to that, AVSM has 3 votes. I know is he A Very Special Market, but I doubt he is that powerful.
Edit: The Mistake was earlier on. Also noticed it with Pevergreen.

Correct Tally:

Tally

Beskar: 4(Reenk,GH, White_Eyes:D,YLC)
Beefy: 4(Jolt,DiY,Tratorix, ATPG)
YLC: 3 (Gibson, DJGingivitis,TinCow)
Reenk: 2(Beskar, Sigurd)
DIY: 2 (Beefy,pever)
Khazaar: 1(AVSM)
pevergreen: 1(Lord Winter)

But my tally doesn't seem wrong.....AVSM only has one vote???(and no votes on him?:dizzy2:) I don't see what your talking about.....:wall:

Edit: I can't see how I missed that......three votes on multiple people.....by one person:laugh4:

[Reenk Roink]

Just saw what happened... typical... :rolleyes:


Are you purposely messing up the tally, according to that, AVSM has 3 votes. I know is he A Very Special Market, but I doubt he is that powerful.
Edit: The Mistake was earlier on. Also noticed it with Pevergreen.

Correct Tally:

Tally

Beskar: 4(Reenk,GH, White_Eyes:D,YLC)
Beefy: 4(Jolt,DiY,Tratorix, ATPG)
YLC: 3 (Gibson, DJGingivitis,TinCow)
Reenk: 2(Beskar, Sigurd)
DIY: 2 (Beefy,pever)
Khazaar: 1(AVSM)
pevergreen: 1(Lord Winter)

Actually, AVSM didn't unvote. So unless his new vote still counts, his original vote on you does count, and the tally (relevant to you) would be:

Beskar: 5 (Reenk,GH, AVS White_Eyes:D,YLC)
Beefy: 4 (Jolt,DiY,Tratorix, ATPG)

:yes: :2thumbsup:

[Beskar]

He voted Khazaar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2292654&postcount=111) before me and didn't unvote from it. My tally is correct. Stop falsing it.

[Sigurd]

Beskar is correct that A Very Super Market's vote should be either on Khazaar or Caius as he has not unvoted in any of his changes. Seireikhaan has not put it in his rules that an unvote is needed to change a vote.

We have therefore the option of two tallies:

#1 (need to unvote to change):

Beskar : 4 (GH, RR, WE:D, YLC)
Beefy : 4 (ATPG, DiY, Jolt, Tratorix)

YLC : 3 (DJG, Gibson, TinCow)
Reenk R : 2 (Beskar, Sigurd)
DiY : 2 (Beefy, pever)
Khazaar : 1 (AVSM)
pever : 1 (LW)

not voting : 5 (Caius, Chatorix, Ichigo, Khazaar, Split)


#2 (don't need to unvote)

Beskar : 4 (GH, RR, WE:D, YLC)
Beefy : 4 (ATPG, DiY, Jolt, Tratorix)

YLC : 3 (DJG, Gibson, TinCow)
Reenk R : 2 (Beskar, Sigurd)
DiY : 2 (Beefy, pever)
Caius : 1 (AVSM)
pever : 1 (LW)

not voting : 5 (Caius, Chatorix, Ichigo, Khazaar, Split )

[Sigurd]

It's getting close to the end of this round and I will grant the wish of the dead man.

unvote: Reenk Roink, vote: Beskar

Tally:

Beskar : 5 (GH, RR, Sigurd, WE:D, YLC)

Beefy : 4 (ATPG, DiY, Jolt, Tratorix)
YLC : 3 (DJG, Gibson, TinCow)
Reenk R : 1 (Beskar)
DiY : 2 (Beefy, pever)
Khazaar : 1 (AVSM)
pever : 1 (LW)

not voting : 5 (Caius, Chatorix, Ichigo, Khazaar, Split)

or

Beskar : 5 (GH, RR, Sigurd, WE:D, YLC)

Beefy : 4 (ATPG, DiY, Jolt, Tratorix)
YLC : 3 (DJG, Gibson, TinCow)
Reenk R : 1 (Beskar)
DiY : 2 (Beefy, pever)
Caius : 1 (AVSM)
pever : 1 (LW)

not voting : 5 (Caius, Chatorix, Ichigo, Khazaar, Split )

[Beskar]

That is dirty cheap shot, Sigurd.

unvote; vote: Beefy182

A bandwagon based around around an OMGUS vote and pasted song lyrics is the most retarded thing in existence.

[Sigurd]

That is dirty cheap shot, Sigurd.

A bandwagon based around around an OMGUS vote and pasted song lyrics is the most retarded thing in existence.

Atheotes accused you of his murder. I think we should at least grant him this.

[Beskar]

It wasn't me and his argument was completely flawed as well. It's stupid how I get always lynched at the beginning as a townie or pro-town role, what did I do? Point out that some one was scummy then the whole basis is a OMGUS with song lyrics? Are we even playing Mafia here?

You know what is really funny? I bet the Mafia is those who haven't even voted. That is how stupid this is. Only way to ever be successful Mafia is to not bother posting, as soon as you legitimate accuse some one of being scummy, you face the music.

Like Swords of the Moons, Ichigo basically never hardly posted and he turned out being Mafia, but anyone who spoke anything, or even proven innocent by a detective were getting lynched off by fools. Probably like Kazaar as Mafia again and he lynched Atheotos because he got a lurker victory in the other game with Ath, so thought to silence him quickly.

Good game.

edit: Added the bit that was added in the double here.

[Beskar]

(double post accident)

[Sigurd]

No need to give up until the fat lady sings.

unvote: Beskar, vote: YLC

Is that a role he has or is it just act?

[Death is yonder]

You know, none of this really helps us at all...

Beskar seems a bit close to his normal self personally, arguing and arguing and being really quite defensive and will counter your arguments.

I don't think he's guilty, at least for now.

[Sigurd]

My thoughts:

Khazaar and Split has yet to vote and are hereby considered total lurkers and halfway to WoK.

AVSM caught my eye for voting himself in round one and voted third on the Beskar bandwagon without unvoting first. I am tempted to call it. Tratorix was third on the Beefy wagon.

I can tell that ATPG and Beskar have had outofthread communication, but I can't see that 'khaan forbids it as long as there are no quoting of PM's or revealing victory conditions. Mafia or TIN? Hard to tell.

[ULC]

No need to give up until the fat lady sings.

unvote: Beskar, vote: YLC

Is that a role he has or is it just act?

I sir, resent what you insinuate about me sir. I have never dealt with shady characters to my knowledge, and would never be one as well.

A good honest, tradesman I am, nothing more.

[seireikhaan]

Er.... right. Sorry for the confusion folks. I do indeed require people to unvote before voting. Beefy is lynched. Writeup to be posted soon.


Beefy : 5 (ATPG, DiY, Jolt, Tratorix, Beskar)
Beskar : 4 (GH, RR, WE:D, YLC)
YLC : 4 (DJG, Gibson, Sigurd, TinCow)
Reenk R : 1 (Beskar)
DiY : 2 (Beefy, pever)
Khazaar : 1 (AVSM)
pever : 1 (LW)

not voting : 5 (Caius, Chatorix, Ichigo, Khazaar, Split)

[Beefy187]

Guess I gotta die once every few games to keep my reputation :laugh4:

We should've lynched AVSM just for creating that mass confusion

[Reenk Roink]

Farewell Sir Beefy. :shame:


because i'm bad, i'm bad... shamon!
you know i'm bad, i'm bad... you know it! (bad bad-really, really bad)

they told him don't you ever come around here
don't wanna see your face you better disappear
the fire's in their eyes and their words are really clear
so beat it.... just beat it!

you better run you better do what you can... :stare:


I can tell that ATPG and Beskar have had outofthread communication, but I can't see that 'khaan forbids it as long as there are no quoting of PM's or revealing victory conditions. Mafia or TIN? Hard to tell.

:yes: Though I'm not sold on the townie information network (those two only?). Can anyone else come out and say if they were contacted by Beskar or Atpg?

Plus it is doomed to failure by the moonwalking Mafia Spirit so we should nip it in the bud. :laugh4:

The way I see it right now, Atpg either saved Beskar as a Mafia partner or maybe as a sarcastic attempt against my case. Either way, I wouldn't mind seeing him go after Beskar.

[Tratorix]

The way I see it right now, Atpg either saved Beskar as a Mafia partner or maybe as a sarcastic attempt against my case. Either way, I wouldn't mind seeing him go after Beskar.

The thing is, ATPG is fairly good at being mafia and I don't see why he would take the risk of trying to save Beskar. Beskar is being his normal paranoid and reactionary self, I've gone after him for it before. It doesn't mean he's necessarily guilty and we definitely shouldn't be planning our lynches around that assumption.

[seireikhaan]

As the council began this day, I began to feel hope for the savages. A modicum of civility seemed in order. The discussion actually seemed to be a discussion, instead of a fight. Alas, my hope was dashed by the time the sun rose to its highest. Tribesmen began singing of terror, accusing each other of mental incapacity, and small skirmishes broke out on multiple occasions between members. The day seemed to prolong itself with unrelenting ruthlessness. Members began to quiet themselves as they grew bored with the council, and once again, a few here and there departed for lengths of time to go for a ride on their steeds. Curiously, just as the sun was about to set, and Shinzei Khan was to end the council, a brief flame of debate lit itself, until it was finally extinguished by Shinzei in order to end the council. He turned to me, requesting a recitation of the tribseman who gathered the most suspicion as an infiltrator. I informed him it was a man by the name of Beefy. Shinzei ordered him to be restrained. Beefy was forced into a submissive stance, his neck exposed to the temporary leader of the camp. Shinzei unsheathed his scimitar, and, wielding it with both hands, brought it with such force that Beefy's head was rendered clean from his neck, and sent rolling. Shinzei sent me back to my tent for the night. I hoped that this might finally be put to a stop. Though I had two apparently dedicated guards, I was growing increasingly agitated at the continued death...

-- The Record of Zhang Qian

[Reenk Roink]

The thing is, ATPG is fairly good at being mafia and I don't see why he would take the risk of trying to save Beskar. Beskar is being his normal paranoid and reactionary self, I've gone after him for it before. It doesn't mean he's necessarily guilty and we definitely shouldn't be planning our lynches around that assumption.

All right, let's grant the premise that due to their behavioral staticness, both Beskar and Atpg may not have a great case on them. Who should we lynch then? :huh:

The other choices seem unsatisfactory to me at least. AVSM forgets to unvote, a very forgivable mistake given that it wasn't really made explicit until now.

YLC is selling his vote. Why should this be considered bad? I consider it good. YLC is making the game more interesting and fun, the real purpose of the game, we shouldn't crucify those who do so. He has not done anything bad, and all his transactions are out in the open. He is an honest businessman as he says, until proven otherwise. For the concerns of power swinging, at the moment, one vote isn't going to do anything anyway.

And DJgingivitis is also not one I'd go after. For all his picking on YLC, I believe his "neutral" comment was misinterpreted. I think gingivitis meant to say that we don't really know YLC's alignment, like we don't [I]really/I] know anyone else's but ours and maybe the killed people.

The way I see it, I'd rather have had Atpg and Beskar lynched the first two rounds, two players with some suspicion their way, than FactionHeir and Beefy which were really nothing more than random lynchings. :yes:

[Tratorix]

How are they suspicious? All I've seen from you on this is the fact that ATPG voted for someone other than Beskar and Micheal Jackson lyrics. Honestly lynching Beskar because there are "no better choices" is unsatisfactory in itself, but wanting to lynch ATPG because he voted to save someone you want to lynch because you can't find anyone better? Strikes me as lazy at best and scummy at worst.

[TinCow]

The thing is, ATPG is fairly good at being mafia and I don't see why he would take the risk of trying to save Beskar.

I'm not saying ATPG is mafia, far from it, but the above statement is flawed. This game has only two mafioso. If one was about to go out on Day 2, I would expect their partner to try and save them. Not doing so significantly raises the prospect of defeat.

In general, I don't see anything to be concerned with so far. It's rare for anything decent to appear in the first two days, and this game isn't an exception.

[Tratorix]

I'm not saying ATPG is mafia, far from it, but the above statement is flawed. This game has only two mafioso. If one was about to go out on Day 2, I would expect their partner to try and save them. Not doing so significantly raises the prospect of defeat.

Well, I've always thrown my mafia partner to the wolves when things got rough. Trying to save them often just gets two mafia lynched. :shrug: I'm just trying to steer us away from the path of "this person was guilty, hence this person is guilty." Lynching Beskar for acting like himself and then ATPG for supporting him is a waste of two more lynches and we don't have an unlimited supply.

[Reenk Roink]

How are they suspicious? All I've seen from you on this is the fact that ATPG voted for someone other than Beskar and Micheal Jackson lyrics. Honestly lynching Beskar because there are "no better choices" is unsatisfactory in itself, but wanting to lynch ATPG because he voted to save someone you want to lynch because you can't find anyone better? Strikes me as lazy at best and scummy at worst.

You haven't been looking too hard then. Atpg before saving Beskar this round twice went after GH for voting Beskar. One with some joke post I think, and the other with a vote without any reason. There's clearly a connection between the two. You're simply being reactive to someone trying to be proactive... :no:

These have been pointed out before by me. You're falling into the same scheme of simply saying "Oh Reenk is just posting Michael Jackson lyrics" when that's clearly not true. Lazy at best, scummy at worst... :wink: Disagree with the case given. Don't try to pretend there isn't one.

Lastly, I've asked you for any suggestions on whom to lynch. Your vote against Beefy seems to contradict everything you've been saying here, so I'm not sure. Given your involvement in the game, the fact that you are simply OK with criticizing any attempt at Beskar and Atpg while not promoting any other alternative is odd...

[Beskar]

The answer is obvious, the best alternative is you. You acted scummy since round one.

I haven't got a clue why Pizza decided to want to save me, maybe it was because I purposely didn't change vote and thus, allowed him to continue in the game, and he felt being on the receiving end of a poor bandwagon, he decided to repay the favour. If that is the case, my thanks to Pizza, I will remember it. There hasn't been any out of thread communication between me and Pizza either, as I said before this statement, maybe he was just repaying the favour where I helped stop him getting needlessly lynched.

How is that scummy? All I have done is simply point out really weird actions, which I done in every single game, and because I decided to point out Reenk Roink's behaviour, RR just tries to bandwagon me with post-hoc information, where he tries to build an imaginary case up, all because I called him out on his behaviour.

Remember, RR's vote is because I called him out on being suspicious, and his whole active bandwagon is his paranoia because I called him out.

So you want the alternatives who to vote for?:

Reenk Roink
The Lurkers (Such as Ichigo and Kazaar, etc)

If the town wants to win, it needs to work together,, not boil down into spitting contests due to ignorance.


edit: Apologises about my earlier post this morning, I just got annoyed. Thanks to Sigurd for changing his vote from me, admittedly, if I was him, I would be tempted to keep it on. Sorry to Beefy182, I didn't see the case against you, and just to let you know, I wouldn't have put my vote on you if I didn't have to.

[TinCow]

I can tell that ATPG and Beskar have had outofthread communication, but I can't see that 'khaan forbids it as long as there are no quoting of PM's or revealing victory conditions. Mafia or TIN? Hard to tell.


There hasn't been any out of thread communication between me and Pizza either, as I said before this statement, maybe he was just repaying the favour where I helped stop him getting needlessly lynched.

Interesting disparity here. Sigurd, why do you think they've been chatting?

[Askthepizzaguy]

All right, let's grant the premise that due to their behavioral staticness, both Beskar and Atpg may not have a great case on them. Who should we lynch then? :huh:

The other choices seem unsatisfactory to me at least. AVSM forgets to unvote, a very forgivable mistake given that it wasn't really made explicit until now.

YLC is selling his vote. Why should this be considered bad? I consider it good. YLC is making the game more interesting and fun, the real purpose of the game, we shouldn't crucify those who do so. He has not done anything bad, and all his transactions are out in the open. He is an honest businessman as he says, until proven otherwise. For the concerns of power swinging, at the moment, one vote isn't going to do anything anyway.

And DJgingivitis is also not one I'd go after. For all his picking on YLC, I believe his "neutral" comment was misinterpreted. I think gingivitis meant to say that we don't really know YLC's alignment, like we don't [I]really/I] know anyone else's but ours and maybe the killed people.

The way I see it, I'd rather have had Atpg and Beskar lynched the first two rounds, two players with some suspicion their way, than FactionHeir and Beefy which were really nothing more than random lynchings. :yes:

Other than the fact Reenk went after both Beskar and I, there are parts of this argument I agree with. YLC completely left himself open to being lynched; he just did not care. I couldn't, as I said, argue with him to get him to change his vote and save himself. FactionHeir was easy, he hadn't even shown up. I requested we get some votes on a different candidate so I could take my vote off of him for that very reason, but due to the bandwagon on me I had no choice in the matter and no one listened. AVSM doesn't push any of my buttons either.

:2cents:

[Reenk Roink]

The answer is obvious, the best alternative is you. You acted scummy since round one.

I was speaking with Tratorix here, if he really thought so then, why did he vote for Beefy? I had two votes on me at that point.


How is that scummy? All I have done is simply point out really weird actions, which I done in every single game, and because I decided to point out Reenk Roink's behaviour, RR just tries to bandwagon me with post-hoc information, where he tries to build an imaginary case up, all because I called him out on his behaviour.

Ok, despite the many times I pointed out my reasons, you continue with this nonsense of a "post-hoc case" hiding a retaliation vote.

A couple of things, you're really not going to get anyone to lynch anyone due to retaliation votes.

Your entire argument of "post hoc" information fails because your accusation against me that I voted against you because you "called me out" is post hoc. :rolleyes: Obviously I'm making a case against you because you "called me out". It led me to reread the page once more, where I saw the potential connection. Were I just retaliation voting, Sigurd and White eyes would be on The List.


Remember, RR's vote is because I called him out on being suspicious, and his whole active bandwagon is his paranoia because I called him out.

:juggle2:

[Beskar]

https://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7828/mjrr.gif

Last comment to you.

[Reenk Roink]

https://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7828/mjrr.gif

Last comment to you.

:laugh4:

:2thumbsup:

Beskar is a Smooth Criminal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLeLvKZbh3c)

[gibsonsg91921]

I would note that the writeup mentions "two dedicated guards." I wonder if there are any doctor roles...

[pevergreen]

...coming....for you!

Meehehehahahahaha

[DJGingivitis]

RR, I would like to note that your interpretation of what I said is correct. I meant to say that YLC has an unknown alliance. From a blind perspective it is seen that he is neutral in the fact that the extra vote is up in the air for anyone. However your thought of saying it is for the fun of the game to keep him around makes me nervous. Perhaps you plan on exploiting him to your gain later in the game. I shall wait and see. Until then I do not like him selling his vote so I shall continue to get him lynched unless there is a something blatant.

[gibsonsg91921]

ATPG and Beskar seem shady as :daisy: . Too bad I'm a lousy player, I'm not going to get killed to prove any points.

[seireikhaan]

General Hankerchief sat in his tent that night, his sword in one hand and a stone in the other. He laid the sword flat. With the other hand, he scraped the sword lengthwise along its curved blade. He continued the process with a steady hand. He didn't care what some said about the process nicking blades; his always cut with a perfect slice following a good sharpening. After exactly one hundred scraped, he flipped the sword, and began to work on the other side. The harsh, shrill scrape rang out through the night. Once, twice, thrice....

A young man was crouching, stalking his way through the camp. His biggest concern was being heard, ordinarily, but something was different this particular night. The loud, metallic sound ringing out from one tent seemed to offer all the audible cover he needed. He stopped outside the tent where the sound originated. He peered inside. The man inside was attempting to sharpen his sword with a rock. Though concentrated on his work, the man did notice his visitor in the periphery of his vision. The young man ceased bothering with subtleties, and simply walked into the tent, in full view. The man in the tent laid down the rock, and held his sword in both hands, a glare of subdued disgust upon his face. His opponent drew his own sword from the scabbard at his waist. The two gave each other the slightest of nods.

GeneralHankerchief took the initiative. He took three, controlled steps forward, bringing his sword over his head with both hands. The intruder raised his sword in response, with one hand. The two swords gave a mighty clang, but both held firm. The intruder moved his right foot forward and dropped his left shoulder. With his left hand free, he delivered a punch to GeneralHankerchief's midsection. GeneralHankerchief wheezed for a second. The man took advantage, shoving forward knocking him to the ground. The man lunged onto him, out of control- the sword, instead of planting in GeneralHankerchief's chest, landed into the left shoulder. GeneralHankerchief bit his tongue attempting to stop the unmanly scream from leaving his mouth. He tried to bring his sword, now in his right hand, back upon this man. However, the man ducked down, burying his face into GeneralHankerchief's chest to avoid it. The man ripped his own sword out, and desperately brought it down upon GeneralHankerchief's bared neck. The long edge of the blade squeezed down on a soft, vulnerable jugular. GeneralHankerchief struggled for a moment, as though he were possessed, but soon lay limp as blood pumped out of the vital artery.




I finally felt a smidgen of pride this morning. I had finally been able to wake myself up at a "proper" time for the savages. I admit, I walked out of the tent with perhaps too much of an air of smugness. For when I departed from my tent to find Shinzei, I was verbally accosted by a small gang of soldiers. They openly declared doubts about my own innocence in the matter of the recent tribe deaths. Naturally, I did my most to dissuade them, but it was not until my guards had arrived that they felt it wise to leave me alone. As I arrive for the council, I was dearly hoping that Shinzei would not allow similar thoughts to wander stray across his mind....



Alive: 20

Askthepizzaguy
A Very Super Market
Beskar
Caius
Chaotix
Death is Yonder
DJGingivtis
Gibsonsg91921
Ichigo
Jolt
Khazaar
Lord Winter
pevergreen
Reenk Roink
Sigurd
Splitpersonality
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D
YLC

Dead: 3

Yaropolk (N1)
Atheotes (N2)
GeneralHankerchief (N3)

Lynched: 1

FactionHeir (D1)
Beefy (D2)

WoK'd: 0


THIS ROUND WILL LAST 36 HOURS!

[Reenk Roink]

Vote: Beskar obviously

Why kill GH unless the Mafia: 1) is Beskar and wants a guy who keeps voting him off and is not as high profile as me or 2) wants us to think 1.

I still am standing by my Atpg/Beskar theory for now. Of course, I am open to other suggestions as well at this point. I'm kinda getting this second itch that Tratorix might be a guilty one, who probably thinking that Beskar will get the axe soon enough, will try to make me look like a bad guy (as he did last round).

Beskar: 1 (Reenk Roink)

[TinCow]

Stinks of a frame-up to me.

[Beskar]

Stinks of a frame-up to me.

Sorry, I have to agree exactly with TinCow.

If I was going to do what you said, wouldn't have just killed you, Reenk Roink? Far easier and less hassle. Also, being really honest, if I was Mafia, I would have killed you last night and wouldn't have cared if it got me lynched.

It's great that straight away, while I otherwise been at work, you jumped straight away accusing me in the first post, in a big write-up, if anything, you had the whole incident planned out, in order to frame me, then while the town goes off and lynch me, you snigger to yourself going "hehe, so easy to fool the town and lynch Beskar".

Looks like you (or a smart Mafia) obviously set this up to get me killed. But not killing you but some one else close to the mark, the Mafia (or you) hope this draws the town into lynching me, opposed to them (or you).

Vote: Reenk Roink (till something better turns up)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Stinks of a frame-up to me.

Could be a double-bluff. Intentionally kill me off and then scream "Frame!"

Frankly, that and other reasons since Day One all point to Beskar. He has to go, if nothing else to get the town looking elsewhere finally.

[White_eyes:D]

I am tempted to go for Reenk Roink....(I can tell you up to something...:inquisitive:)
But it's been a while....and I missed you....:clown:

So I Vote:ATPG for killing Beefy the likely Innocent townie:bow:

Tally:

1-Askthepizzaguy:(White_eyes:D)
1-Reenk Roink:(Beskar)
1-Beskar:(Reenk Roink)

[TinCow]

Could be a double-bluff. Intentionally kill me off and then scream "Frame!"

Frankly, that and other reasons since Day One all point to Beskar. He has to go, if nothing else to get the town looking elsewhere finally.

Yes, it's very possible. In my original post, I actually laid out an argument against Reenk and cast a vote for him, but then thought better of it and erased it. I'm currently thinking we're focused too much on a very small number of people. The Beskar issue does not seem likely to drop anytime soon, so perhaps its best just to lynch him so that the discussion can move on to other directions. I'll see how the day goes before casting my vote.

[White_eyes:D]

Could be a double-bluff. Intentionally kill me off and then scream "Frame!"

Yeah, I recall using that in a few games...Good times:smiley: (How did I get away with it back then??:laugh4:) I have a bad feeling about Reenk.....but he could be just trying harder...last game he and Khaan blamed me endless from the grave....:wall:

[Beskar]

The Very Shortened version of post:
While Reenk Roink's vote suggestion this round was far more decent, abeit, very misguided, please vote for reasons similar or superior. I will honesty say now, voting for me "to let the discussion move on" will annoy me, because it is not my fault some one got hooked voting for me, because I called them out on scummy behaviour.

[Reenk Roink]

Yes, it's very possible. In my original post, I actually laid out an argument against Reenk and cast a vote for him, but then thought better of it and erased it. I'm currently thinking we're focused too much on a very small number of people. The Beskar issue does not seem likely to drop anytime soon, so perhaps its best just to lynch him so that the discussion can move on to other directions. I'll see how the day goes before casting my vote.

Let's see it?

To be honest I'm not sure what to make of you TinCow. Can you explain why we should focus on a broader target group at this point? After all, at this point, there is very little to go on, spreading the vote thin will make it easier for the bad guys as their vote can count more and they can also hide behind various targets. This is not to say that we should focus on Atpg/Beskar exclusively, no no no. I certainly welcome a broadening of the targets, though not for its own sake. If anyone has a theory, please speak up.

So if you had made a case against me, I would like to see it. Put your money where your mouth is and give us more targets. I do hope it will be better than your argument against YLC...


Yeah, I recall using that in a few games...Good times:smiley: (How did I get away with it back then??:laugh4:) I have a bad feeling about Reenk.....but he could be just trying harder...last game he and Khaan blamed me endless from the grave....:wall:

I am "trying harder" in the sense that I'm trying to do the basic analytical style of play. Yes, I know I've heavily criticized it before, but I don't think it is completely devoid of worth, far from it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Khazaar

[gibsonsg91921]

Vote: ATPG

He does not bode well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: ATPG

He does not bode well.

Good sir, I can bode with the best of them. You'd actually be impressed by my technique.

[pevergreen]

Good sir, I can bode with the best of them. You'd actually be impressed by my technique.

Nice. :laugh4:

Vote: Beskar

I side with my brother.

[TinCow]

Let's see it?

To be honest I'm not sure what to make of you TinCow. Can you explain why we should focus on a broader target group at this point? After all, at this point, there is very little to go on, spreading the vote thin will make it easier for the bad guys as their vote can count more and they can also hide behind various targets. This is not to say that we should focus on Atpg/Beskar exclusively, no no no. I certainly welcome a broadening of the targets, though not for its own sake. If anyone has a theory, please speak up.

Are you kidding me? Let me re-quote you to see if I've got this right...


Can you explain why we should focus on a broader target group at this point?... spreading the vote thin will make it easier for the bad guys as their vote can count more and they can also hide behind various targets.

Followed by...


I certainly welcome a broadening of the targets, though not for its own sake.

Nicely done. Way to cover both sides of the argument with the thinnest possible plausible explanation to keep it from being totally absurd. You seem to be claiming there's a great deal of evidence against Beskar, and I call foul on that. What did he do, vote in a manner that saved ATPG? I did the same thing, yet you ignored me. Your evidence against Beskar is wafer thin, yet you keep pumping it every round. GH's death does point the finger at him, but that's the ultimate WIFOM and you know it. You're being incredibly focused on Beskar, and that doesn't seem like you at all from my limited experience. I've never seen you go after someone with this level of tenacity, and you are doing so in a situation with evidence that is equivocal at best.

At this point, it is YOU that is acting abnormally.


So if you had made a case against me, I would like to see it. Put your money where your mouth is and give us more targets.

A bit defensive are we? I originally erased my argument against you because I didn't think it was very strong. Your response is making me reconsider that position.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Perhaps he is just attempting a new style.

Can anyone remember that I used to have a slightly different play style? I was slightly more verbose. :laugh4:

[Tratorix]

I still am standing by my Atpg/Beskar theory for now. Of course, I am open to other suggestions as well at this point. I'm kinda getting this second itch that Tratorix might be a guilty one, who probably thinking that Beskar will get the axe soon enough, will try to make me look like a bad guy (as he did last round).

Why good sir, you must be some sort of prophet! :beam:

So, let me get this straight. Your list of suspects includes:

1) Beskar.
2) Anyone who defends Beskar.
3) Anyone who says you might not be entirely trustworthy.

All this comes from what is, basically, a gut feeling on your part. Sorry, but you strike me as mafia trying really hard to rationalize your voting. Vote: ReenkRoink

[Splitpersonality]

Vote: Reenkroink

[Reenk Roink]

Are you kidding me? Let me re-quote you to see if I've got this right...

Followed by...

Nicely done. Way to cover both sides of the argument with the thinnest possible plausible explanation to keep it from being totally absurd.

Things aren't as black or white as you make them out to be. :wink:

You may wish to try and portray my statements as self contradictory or close to it to avoid actually addressing them but I won't allow it. :snobby:


Can you explain why we should focus on a broader target group at this point?

So then, I asked you to explain WHY we should focus on a broader group. This should have been interpreted as a request for an explanation for a stance you proposed. Care to indulge me?


spreading the vote thin will make it easier for the bad guys as their vote can count more and they can also hide behind various targets.

This here is me pointing out what I see as a major drawback in doing what you propound.


I certainly welcome a broadening of the targets, though not for its own sake.

Here is me offering my opinion on your proposal. I state that I would welcome it (is this not consistent with my previous requests from others to give alternatives?) but it is qualified with a condition that it is not to be done for it's own sake.

For that major problem that it has, broadening the targets does also allow us to progress in some ways.

I understand this is Mafia, and people aren't exactly going to be crafting charitable construals of other people's post, but let's not get carried away and build strawmen TinCow. :rolleyes: At least don't make them so blatant to be easily called out... :wink:


You seem to be claiming there's a great deal of evidence against Beskar,

Your most blatantly false assertion. :balloon2:

1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2294181&postcount=205)
2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2294249&postcount=209)
3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2293165&postcount=155)

These posts all point out the tentative nature of my argument. I have made it clear that I am driven more by pragmatic concerns (there is nobody better to vote for) than epistemic concerns. I have never tried to obfuscate the epistemic lacking that my case had.


and I call foul on that. What did he do, vote in a manner that saved ATPG? I did the same thing, yet you ignored me.

Already explained. You did not have previous connection with Beskar? The thing that got to me is that after Beskar

Also, in the second round, you stayed aloof from the whole matter with your vote. Atpg jumped on GH for voting Beskar.


Your evidence against Beskar is wafer thin, yet you keep pumping it every round. GH's death does point the finger at him, but that's the ultimate WIFOM and you know it.

I disagree with the assertion that my evidence is wafer thin. Speaking within the context of Mafia games and Mafia cases, I consider it an average case. It points out linked voting and posting and is slightly reinforced by a kill.

If you still disagree, please bring examples of paradigmatic Mafia cases and point out the ways mine is lacking as compared to them.

I consider WIFOM to be a useless construct. It does not add anything to the discussion, as every action can be reinterpreted through its lens. :juggle2:


You're being incredibly focused on Beskar, and that doesn't seem like you at all from my limited experience. I've never seen you go after someone with this level of tenacity, and you are doing so in a situation with evidence that is equivocal at best.

At this point, it is YOU that is acting abnormally.

Of course I am. So? :shrug:

Now then, are you so entrenched in the dogmatic assumption of "behavior change = scum" that this statement is supposed to imply that I am scummy? :laugh4:

You do know how much I detest the equivocation of behavioral change to scumminess right? Would you wish for me to argue against it (rather I will repost my many tirades)?


A bit defensive are we? I originally erased my argument against you because I didn't think it was very strong. Your response is making me reconsider that position.

First, how can this be interpreted as defensive whatsoever? Second please do. :yes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: splitpersonality

You seem to be intentionally ducking attention.

[Reenk Roink]

Why good sir, you must be some sort of prophet! :beam:

So, let me get this straight. Your list of suspects includes:

1) Beskar.
2) Anyone who defends Beskar.
3) Anyone who says you might not be entirely trustworthy.

All this comes from what is, basically, a gut feeling on your part. Sorry, but you strike me as mafia trying really hard to rationalize your voting. Vote: ReenkRoink

I love this. :laugh4:

After not at all responding to this post:


How are they suspicious? All I've seen from you on this is the fact that ATPG voted for someone other than Beskar and Micheal Jackson lyrics. Honestly lynching Beskar because there are "no better choices" is unsatisfactory in itself, but wanting to lynch ATPG because he voted to save someone you want to lynch because you can't find anyone better? Strikes me as lazy at best and scummy at worst.

You haven't been looking too hard then. Atpg before saving Beskar this round twice went after GH for voting Beskar. One with some joke post I think, and the other with a vote without any reason. There's clearly a connection between the two. You're simply being reactive to someone trying to be proactive... :no:

These have been pointed out before by me. You're falling into the same scheme of simply saying "Oh Reenk is just posting Michael Jackson lyrics" when that's clearly not true. Lazy at best, scummy at worst... :wink: Disagree with the case given. Don't try to pretend there isn't one.

Lastly, I've asked you for any suggestions on whom to lynch. Your vote against Beefy seems to contradict everything you've been saying here, so I'm not sure. Given your involvement in the game, the fact that you are simply OK with criticizing any attempt at Beskar and Atpg while not promoting any other alternative is odd...

You now go ahead and once again try to make ME look like the bad guy. :no: Come on now, at least TRY and explain the disconnect between your posts and your actions. You really are looking like a Mafia who is just trying to get as many lynch baits as possible. You certainly are the one I will be going after should the Atpg/Beskar case be incorrect. :smash:

There is a reason why, for example, I am not suspicious at the moment of TinCow or DJgingivitis, who have both said I "might not be entirely trustworthy" but I am suspicious of you. :wink:

*obviously your purported list of my suspects is then wrong on 3 (also partly wrong on 2 but I won't emphasize it too much).

YLC, please vote Beskar (we had the two for one deal). :bow:

[Splitpersonality]

Unvote; Vote: Splitpersonality

I agree, I've been silent this entire game and no one has called me out on it, it's time for me to face up to the music, and spill the beans.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Or, or... you could use your vote productively and just contribute more. :embarassed:

[Splitpersonality]

I'm following, I figured RR was a good vote, that's all.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay, that's something we can at least discuss. I think Reenk is taking a stick and smashing the wasp nest a bit too much to be mafia. Even though it is netting him votes it is not affecting his strategy. Trying to lead people towards a lynch is also an interesting move if he were mafia, because if Beskar turns up innocent then it just makes him look bad.

I wouldn't put it past Reenk to do pretty much anything, but I'm sure his teammates would be a little peeved if he got himself lynched right away due to poking a bunch of townies in the eye and pretty much saying "lynch me". I would note that Reenk is just doing what we're SUPPOSED to be doing, which is discussing and accusing, and that beats the hell out of lurking.

And that concludes my defense of Reenk Roink, because he's still accusing me and Beskar and that makes me shed fewer tears if he gets lynched. :laugh4:

[TinCow]

Now then, are you so entrenched in the dogmatic assumption of "behavior change = scum" that this statement is supposed to imply that I am scummy? :laugh4:

You do know how much I detest the equivocation of behavioral change to scumminess right? Would you wish for me to argue against it (rather I will repost my many tirades)?

Having observed a fair number of mafia games, I have concluded that it is the single most reliable method of spotting mafioso. This is based on observations of people who are good at this kind of thing, since I will freely admit that my track record on catching mafioso is pretty poor. Your disdain for attacks based on behavioral changes is irrelevant to me. As far as I am concerned, it's a well-established method of catching scum and has proven itself many times. Argue against it all you want, but feel free to target it at others, for you will not find me receptive.

It is late and I am tired. I will address the other parts of your post if they seem to still be relevant in the morning.

[Reenk Roink]

Having observed a fair number of mafia games, I have concluded that it is the single most reliable method of spotting mafioso. This is based on observations of people who are good at this kind of thing, since I will freely admit that my track record on catching mafioso is pretty poor. Your disdain for attacks based on behavioral changes is irrelevant to me. As far as I am concerned, it's a well-established method of catching scum and has proven itself many times. Argue against it all you want, but feel free to target it at others, for you will not find me receptive.

It is late and I am tired. I will address the other parts of your post if they seem to still be relevant in the morning.

OK, you seem uninterested in even discussing the epistemic virtues of the behavioral change method. :juggle2: Whatever then, that avenue of discussion is closed. :shame:

You seem to be basing your reliance on it on some kind of pragmatic justification. I think however, your impression of it's success is inaccurate, as in my judgment of it, behavior changes have got a ton of false positives while letting major figures slip through the cracks. Essentially, with my experiences, I don't believe they have performed better recently than random voting. I'll grant you, early on in Mafia here, it was a big thing, with some success (still vastly overhyped). However, the entire situation has changed.

Also would you not agree that a common mindset for a player who is Mafia would be to keep his behavior the same? While I'm not a fan of the method, I do realize that it does have many fans, and I do see a motivation for Mafia to purposely keep their behavior as static as possible, whereas the motivation would be much less for a townie I feel.

(a side note, I would love to see statistics on this kind of thing, although such may be impossible because pinning down behavior change into some quantitative form is hard - Seamus's post trackers did a partial job tracking ACTIVITY changes... which is what Kommodus also did)

Lastly, if you feel this way, you should go and vote for me, shouldn't you? :smash::smash::smash:

Tally:

Beskar: 2 (Reenk Roink, pevergreen)
Reenk Roink 2: (Beskar, Tratorix)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty: 2 (Askthepizzaguy, spL1tp3r50naL1ty)
Askthepizzaguy: 2 (White_eyes:D, gibsonsg91921)

[Splitpersonality]

Unvote


I think Reenk is taking a stick and smashing the wasp nest a bit too much to be mafia

Well, yeah, I'm not sure many people would gamble on us not voting for them because they're stirring things up, that'd be a pretty large risk for little reward.

So what, do I vote for you ATPG? What's your argument against beskar if you have one?

[Chaotix]

Okay, that's something we can at least discuss. I think Reenk is taking a stick and smashing the wasp nest a bit too much to be mafia. Even though it is netting him votes it is not affecting his strategy. Trying to lead people towards a lynch is also an interesting move if he were mafia, because if Beskar turns up innocent then it just makes him look bad.

I wouldn't put it past Reenk to do pretty much anything, but I'm sure his teammates would be a little peeved if he got himself lynched right away due to poking a bunch of townies in the eye and pretty much saying "lynch me". I would note that Reenk is just doing what we're SUPPOSED to be doing, which is discussing and accusing, and that beats the hell out of lurking.

And that concludes my defense of Reenk Roink, because he's still accusing me and Beskar and that makes me shed fewer tears if he gets lynched. :laugh4:

I'll remind you that Reenk has claimed detective, ratted out his own mafia partners, and faked his way to a victory. I don't think there is anything that Reenk would consider to be "going too far" as a mafioso, so long as he believes it will work. And hypothetically, if Reenk is mafia: he is the one making up the plans, and his teammates are just rolling with it, unless they're someone like TinCow or Sigurd.

Reenk has also changed up playstyle considerably from previous games; he's now more impossible to read than he was before.

I think that, before this game ends, Reenk, ATPG, and Beskar all need to die.

Right now, I'm going to vote for someone low-profile, though. None of these three deserve a lynch before we have more info.

Vote: Splitpersonality

Because his self-vote is exactly the sort of thing he would do to make him a more unsavoury lynch target.

[pevergreen]

Can't you guys tell reenks alignment?

Its clear as day to me every game. :shrug:

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ SP

You could always vote for Khazaar and maybe that will get him talking. Or vote for whoever. Personally I just want to encourage participation because I can't decide who to vote for when people aren't voting or discussing.