Daggers in the Night [Concluded]

[Diana Abnoba]

Elect: Diana
Vote: Romanic

Just in case the edit post won't count

[Diana Abnoba]

Sorry, fixed above post :kiss2:

[The Stranger]

But I suspect Beskar more....
I will change the vote, but I am voting Beskar next round.

Unvote, Vote: Romanic

yeah i agree there. just too bad we cant double lynch -_-

[The Stranger]

I endorse Diana for Naib, and I also want to state explicitly that it is not because I am playing favorites. I believe she would make an excellent Naib.

She's never had a role like that before in games. My one and only request for who becomes Naib.

so she is excellent because she has never played a role like that before... you should really right obama's next election campaign!!!

he should be president because he has never been president 2x before!!!


oh and as predicted... who is the new naib?? i was so right...

[pevergreen]

Unvote: Romanic, Vote: The Stranger

[Askthepizzaguy]

so she is excellent because she has never played a role like that before...

When did I say that?

I said I think she'd be an excellent naib, I didn't say why she'd be excellent. I know why she's excellent, and you'll never know why. :wink:

[The Stranger]

haha :P too bad.

[TinCow]

Elect: Renata
Vote: Romanic

[Renata]

I would like to be Naib again, if the people will agree. But even more than that I would dearly love for people to pay some regard to my lynch candidates for today.

#1: TheFlax, who continues to be ever-so-helpful over MSN. Yesterday's helpful suggestion was to protect Secura (or himself). Lovely ESP, that, just like Sasaki but in the opposite direction. He also offered to create a tie yesterday toward the end of the day, between white_eyes (then at four votes, including Flax's) and my choice (not his) of any of the several players then at two votes. Considerate, that, especially as poor white_eyes was a townie.

#2, who would have been my top candidate if Secura had not been killed and maybe still should be: Atheotes, who removed the option of any such tie creation by showing up to vote white_eyes only minutes before the end of the round. Who were you protecting, Atheotes? Atheotes has been scummy otherwise, as well, and I would greatly appreciate it if any of those who have discussed this with me in private or who have come to the same conclusion themselves would make the case, since I am away for the weekend and will not be able to.

As a bonus incentive for voting Atheotes, I already have a really nice death scene planned. But I'm sure I could come up with something for Flax as well. If you guys don't return me as Naib (and Diana is a fine choice if you don't), then please at least indulge me in this.

elect: Renata

I'll reveal my protection choices if it's clear I'm not going to be re-elected. I didn't get a PM about last night, though I assume the result was the same.

[The Stranger]

oke you have my vote.

elect:renata

[KukriKhan]

Elect: Diana Abnoba
Vote: AVSM

[Romanic]

Oh brother, I should have gone to church and light a lamp.

White_Eyes:D turns out innocent so I must be mafia, right? Blah. Someone somewhere must be laughing really hard, because I am innocent. I AM INNOCENT!

elect: Diana.
vote: abstain

[pevergreen]

Oh brother, I should have gone to church and light a lamp.

White_Eyes:D turns out innocent so I must be mafia, right? Blah. Someone somewhere must be laughing really hard, because I am innocent. I AM INNOCENT!

elect: Diana.
vote: abstain

Maffffffia.

Trying to hard to prove innocence, voting abstain to give the appearance.

[The Stranger]

Oh brother, I should have gone to church and light a lamp.

White_Eyes:D turns out innocent so I must be mafia, right? Blah. Someone somewhere must be laughing really hard, because I am innocent. I AM INNOCENT!

elect: Diana.
vote: abstain

no you are guilty cuz you diverted the lynch of a possible scum to the lynch of innocent townie... im wondering who your accomplices are!

[The Stranger]

Maffffffia.

Trying to hard to prove innocence, voting abstain to give the appearance.

so why you unvote him and vote for me?

PEVERGREEN?

[Romanic]

Maffffffia.

Trying to hard to prove innocence, voting abstain to give the appearance.

Sure, pever, feel free to bring back your vote on me, or is there a reason why you'd rather keep it on The Stranger?

I am not defending, I know this bandwagon will not turn around. At this point anything I do will look suspicious. Last round I vote for Tincow and Sasaki came yapping from the graveyard that I was trying to save myself, now I abstain, and you accuse me of appearance. Go figure.

[Romanic]

no you are guilty cuz you diverted the lynch of a possible scum to the lynch of innocent townie... im wondering who your accomplices are!

I diverted a lynch?

I've been saying for three days that White_Eyes:D was suspicious. I am not the one who turned the tide, other players did this by changing their votes to WE.

[The Stranger]

it appears he is innocent... so you have been yelling wrong name for 3 days. random yelling doesnt mean ur innocent. its time to die.

[The Stranger]

Sure, pever, feel free to bring back your vote on me, or is there a reason why you'd rather keep it on The Stranger?

I am not defending, I know this bandwagon will not turn around. At this point anything I do will look suspicious. Last round I vote for Tincow and Sasaki came yapping from the graveyard that I was trying to save myself, now I abstain, and you accuse me of appearance. Go figure.

dont try to divert the lynch, again...

[Romanic]

dont try to divert the lynch, again...

*laughs* really. Like I said anything I say...

You wrote the same thing like 30 seconds before me and it's okay for you to do so.

*laughs*

[TheFlax]

I would like to be Naib again, if the people will agree.

Unelect, Elect: Renata. :yes:


But even more than that I would dearly love for people to pay some regard to my lynch candidates for today.

Okay.


#1: TheFlax, who continues to be ever-so-helpful over MSN.

I hear he's very glad of trying to be helpful, getting that #1 spot is a very nice reward indeed!


Yesterday's helpful suggestion was to protect Secura (or himself). Lovely ESP, that, just like Sasaki but in the opposite direction.

TheFlax tends to expect the worst concerning his own demise. In his mind though, Secura was an obvious kill choice, but he didn't see the kill on YLC coming. Since you had made up your mind, TheFlax had no chance to finish by saying that he preferred that you protect Secura rather than him. It is not proveable, but TheFlax is selfless like that. I also don't understand why TheFlax, if he was mafia, would warn you about one of his targets. I think he understand that anything he says on MSN can be used against him in the court of public thread opinion.


He also offered to create a tie yesterday toward the end of the day, between white_eyes (then at four votes, including Flax's) and my choice (not his) of any of the several players then at two votes. Considerate, that, especially as poor white_eyes was a townie.

TheFlax realises he pushed for killing White_Eyes, he did vote for him in two rounds. Yet, by then, TheFlax had serious doubts about his very fallible instincts. Unfortunately, he didn't know who to choose from all the candidates at two votes. I have it from good authority that he was simply trying to avoid another bad lynch by giving more options to the Naib. Of course, atheotes made all of this talk pointless after only 15 min by voting for the defunct Mr. Eyes.


#2, who would have been my top candidate if Secura had not been killed and maybe still should be: Atheotes, who removed the option of any such tie creation by showing up to vote white_eyes only minutes before the end of the round.

About 45 min before the end of the round, IIRC. Still, I see what you are getting at.


Who were you protecting, Atheotes? Atheotes has been scummy otherwise, as well, and I would greatly appreciate it if any of those who have discussed this with me in private or who have come to the same conclusion themselves would make the case, since I am away for the weekend and will not be able to.

I had not jotted down atheotes as particularly scummy, so I would like to hear more about this "case" against him. I would look for the evidence myself, but since this is not a weekday, I will be away from the computer almost all day. In the meanwhile I will indulge you on your second choice since I cannot in good conscience vote for TheFlax, who is a known innocent to me.

Vote: atheotes

[TheFlax]

it appears he is innocent... so you have been yelling wrong name for 3 days. random yelling doesnt mean ur innocent. its time to die.

Anyone could say the same to you, since random yelling is just about all you do. By the way, tell me again, how many of your picks for lynches were bad?! Csargo? Not guilty. Askthepizzaguy? Not guilty. Seon? Not guilty. (That's round 1, 2 and 3.) So you also have "yelled" the wrong names for 3 days. Awesome.

(I'm also sure this applies to many of us and probably to me to, that's how mafia works, but then again, we are not as awesomely good as The Stranger...)

[Captain Blackadder]

Elect: Diana
Vote: Romanic

Come on Romanic defend yourself better then that abstaing at this stage is crazy.

[The Stranger]

Anyone could say the same to you, since random yelling is just about all you do. By the way, tell me again, how many of your picks for lynches were bad?! Csargo? Not guilty. Askthepizzaguy? Not guilty. Seon? Not guilty. (That's round 1, 2 and 3.) So you also have "yelled" the wrong names for 3 days. Awesome.

(I'm also sure this applies to many of us and probably to me to, that's how mafia works, but then again, we are not as awesomely good as The Stranger...)

so. but i dont use it as an argument to prove that i am innocent, he does, and that is scummy.

[Romanic]

Elect: Diana
Vote: Romanic

Come on Romanic defend yourself better then that abstaing at this stage is crazy.

I don't have any argument to defend myself. Look at this thread, I am doomed no matter what. But if abstaining is what's botherting you, fine you got it.

unvote. vote: Captain Blackadder.

[Beskar]

unelect; elect: Diana Abnoba

Since the previous naibs haven't really done anything productive order-wise, time for new blood.

[Beskar]

Also, I agree with atheotes lynch, he is trying too hard for me to get lynched. Done it in the last previous rounds.

unvote; vote: atheotes

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why would a mafioso try hard just to get you lynched?

If it fails they usually just try to lynch someone else. Then you wind up dead a few days later.

[Beskar]

Why would a mafioso try hard just to get you lynched?

If it fails they usually just try to lynch someone else. Then you wind up dead a few days later.

Stop trying to disarm the town and get to bed already. :whip:

[atheotes]

I would like to be Naib again, if the people will agree. But even more than that I would dearly love for people to pay some regard to my lynch candidates for today.

#1: TheFlax, who continues to be ever-so-helpful over MSN. Yesterday's helpful suggestion was to protect Secura (or himself). Lovely ESP, that, just like Sasaki but in the opposite direction. He also offered to create a tie yesterday toward the end of the day, between white_eyes (then at four votes, including Flax's) and my choice (not his) of any of the several players then at two votes. Considerate, that, especially as poor white_eyes was a townie.

#2, who would have been my top candidate if Secura had not been killed and maybe still should be: Atheotes, who removed the option of any such tie creation by showing up to vote white_eyes only minutes before the end of the round. Who were you protecting, Atheotes? Atheotes has been scummy otherwise, as well, and I would greatly appreciate it if any of those who have discussed this with me in private or who have come to the same conclusion themselves would make the case, since I am away for the weekend and will not be able to.

As a bonus incentive for voting Atheotes, I already have a really nice death scene planned. But I'm sure I could come up with something for Flax as well. If you guys don't return me as Naib (and Diana is a fine choice if you don't), then please at least indulge me in this.

elect: Renata

I'll reveal my protection choices if it's clear I'm not going to be re-elected. I didn't get a PM about last night, though I assume the result was the same.

you were trying to create a tie with 3 votes? :inquisitive:

here is the tally for that phase:
White_Eyes:D: 5 (TinCow, atheotes, Romanic, TheFlax, Diana Abnoba)

Beskar: 2 (Captain Blackadder, The Stranger)
The Stranger: 2 (Beskar, Choxorn)
Romanic: 2 (White_Eyes:D, Beefy187)
Beefy187: 2 (Jolt, pevergreen)
Kagemusha: 2 (YLC, Secura)

your plans would have been foiled by me if i had voted for any of the five :laugh4:
If you wanted a tie, why didnt you say it in the thread along with any case you had? Surely that would have been a better way to achieve that instead of hoping no one votes for any of these people...

But i do agree that Flax is behaving outside his norm...and is in my list of suspicious people along with Beskar, Tincow and yourself :beam:

[Renata]

Nervous, Atheotes? That's not so hot on the reading comprehension. I did not want a tie. Flax came to me and suggested one, which made me aware of the voting situation, that anyone in white_eyes' bandwagon had the power to force a tie with any of the 2-vote candidates with a simple change of vote. That list of five contains at least a couple of decent candidates for mafia. Now what would a mafia teammate of someone in that list do? They'd chuck on the best vote they could make up for white_eyes. And that's what you did. Couple it with your scumminess in general; you're an excellent candidate for lynch today, though few seem to be listening.

And I have SUCH a good lynch scene ready for you. It'd truly be a shame to waste it.

[Niklas]

can't think of anyone who would take their actions as a Naib more seriously and put more thought into their actions than Renata. I'm sure Diana would be great as well, but it's hard to compete with Renata. elect: Renata

I am willing to indulge her and vote: atheotes. With him we have a concrete reason (his vote switch), for most others it would just be gut feeling. I'll say more on that matter after the lynch though, to avoid falling into a mafia-esque trap.

[The Stranger]

plz... not again.

stop all this sidetrack banter and lynch romanic already.

[Romanic]

Nervous, Atheotes? That's not so hot on the reading comprehension. I did not want a tie. Flax came to

me and suggested one, which made me aware of the voting situation, that anyone in white_eyes' bandwagon had the power to

force a tie with any of the 2-vote candidates with a simple change of vote. That list of five contains at least a couple of

decent candidates for mafia. Now what would a mafia teammate of someone in that list do? They'd chuck on the best vote they

could make up for white_eyes. And that's what you did. Couple it with your scumminess in general; you're an excellent

candidate for lynch today, though few seem to be listening.


I'm listening! You started that crusade against me but I suddenly like you a lot. :laugh4:

unelect Diana; elect Renata
unvote Capt. Blackadder; vote: atheotes.



And I have SUCH a good lynch scene ready for you. It'd truly be a shame to waste it.

Remember that I voted twice for you as Naib. Be kind, please. :sweatdrop:

[The Stranger]

Stop trying to disarm the town and get to bed already. :whip:

he has a point there, and this is how you react? scumfactor increases!

[Romanic]

Forgot to bold in my previous post. Oops.

unelect Diana; elect Renata
unvote Capt. Blackadder; vote: atheotes.

[Greyblades]

Ugh, god I hate logarithms... What did I miss?

[Beskar]

he has a point there, and this is how you react? scumfactor increases!

Says the mafia.

[Andres]

Voting concluded. Stand by for execution.

[The Stranger]

Says the mafia.

hahah now suddenly i am mafia?

great beskar!!

[Andres]

Day 7 - Conclusion

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There wasn't much talk that day. The brotherhood decided that the youngest among them, Romanic was the one to be lynched today, for reasons unclear to the lynchee. What had he done? He was innocent!

But the decision was irrevertable. The daggers were looking for the Naib to perform the execution, but she seemed to be gone.

Suddenly, all dressed in black, Renata slowly strode forward.

"Our dearest Benjamin," Renata started. "I must say I am deeply impressed, young one. You're our newest member and yet, you did very well, until now. Unfortunately for you, your brothers and sisters think you could be a vampire. I don't necessarily agree and I think there are better suspects, but the brotherhood has decided. I cannot ignore the decision.

Since you're so young, however, I'd like to give you a chance to prove yourself and who knows, save yourself today."

Renata waited a brief moment and then she continued: "I challenge you to a sword duel."

Her words were barely cold as Renata unsheethed a silver blade. After a brief moment of reflection, she took the blade in her left hand.

"I don't want this to be over too soon," she said.

She handed a package over to Romanic. "Please put on this armor and cloths".

Romanic started to put on the armor and the garments.

A minute later, Renata asked: "Hey there. Are you doing ok?"

Romanic looked up, a bit annoyed. "I don't mean to be rude, but this is not as easy as it looks, so I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't distract me."

"No problem, sorry."

"Thank you."

A few minutes later, Romanic was ready and he unsheethed his blade.

The Naib calmly waited for Romanic to make the first move.

Quickly, the young dagger stepped forward, trying to kill Renata fast and clean, using the point of his blade. The Naib simply deflected the blow. Romanic stepped backward, paused and also took his blade in his left hand.

Now the Naib attacked, but the young dagger was strong. He parried the attack and riposted, causing Renata to step backwards. With a few quick blows, Romanic forced the Naib to keep stepping backwards. When she almost stumbled, Romanic struck with his blade for the final blow. Renata's reflexes saved her life and the blade barely missed her. However, the Naib lost her blade in the movement.

Romanic stepped forward and swung his blade. Renata jumped and then jumped again and then she jumped towards a post, made an acrobatic swing and came down next to her blade and picked it up in a gracious movement.

Romanic threw his sword next to that same post, jumped to it and made TWO acrobatic swings, after which he landed very gracious on his feet to take his blade again. Without hesitating, he attacked the Naib. The blades were swinging back and forth with the speed of lightning during this deadly dance. Suddenly, they stopped.

Renata was trying to catch her breath.

"You're... good... I must be ... getting... old."

Romanic looked a bit embarrassed. "I didn't expect to do so well, Naib. Maybe I'm just being lucky."

"Not lucky," Renata replied. "You're better than me."

Romanic smiled at the kind words, but something made him feel suspicious.

"However, I know something you don't know," Renata said, mysteriously.

"Let me guess. You're not left-handed and now you will defeat me in seconds with your right-hand?"

"Oh, I'm left-handed allright," Renata answered, laughing.

Romanic looked confused.

"It's just that..."

"BANG!"

A rifle broke the silence. Romanic fell down, the bullet had made a hole between his eyes and his brains were splattered all over the courtyard.

"... I cheat," Renata said.

Smoke on the rooftop gave away the position of the dagger who had been waiting for Renata's signal.

Slowly, the Naib stepped forward and seperated Romanics' head form his body with her blade.

Exhausted, the Naib put away her sword and looked at Diana Abnoba.

"You'll be our new Naib, sister. Good luck."

The daggers left the Generalife, except for one man: A Very Super Market. Still shocked by the spectacle, he walked towards Romanics' body. He picked up his sword and pierced it through his own belly, yelling "Goodbye, cruel world!"


***

Lynch Tally:

Romanic: 7 (Methos, Beefy187, Choxorn, Captain Blackadder, The Stranger, Diana Abnoba, TinCow) :skull:


atheotes: 4 (TheFlax, Beskar, Niklas, Romanic)
Beskar: 1 (Kagemusha)
The Stranger: 1 (pevergreen)
AVSM: 1 (Kukrikhan)
Beefy187 (DiamondEyes)

Not voting: (Renata (Naib), Scienter, Jolt, AVSM, Greyblades, splitpersonality, atheotes, Double A)

Naib Election:

Diana Abnoba: 9 (Choxorn, Diamondeyes, Kagemusha, Kurkikhan, atheotes, Methos, Captain Blackadder, Diana Abnoba, Beskar)

Renata: 6 (The Stranger, Romanic, TinCow, Niklas, Renata, TheFlax)
Jolt: 1 (Jolt)
pevergreen: 1 (pevergreen)

Not voting: 6 (Beefy187, Scienter, AVSM, Greyblades, splitpersonality, Double A)


***

Alive (21)

1. TheFlax
2. Niklas
3. Renata
4. Beskar
5. Diana Abnoba
6. Double A
7. TinCow
8. atheotes
9. The Stranger
10. Methos
11. spL1tp3r50naL1ty
12. Captain Blackadder
13. Jolt
14. Greyblades
15. Choxorn
16. Kukrikhan
17. Beefy187
18. Kagemusha
19. pevergreen
20. DiamondEye
21. Scienter

Killed (12)

autolycus
Yaropolk
Chaotix
Centurion1
Ibn-Khaldun
Psychonaut
Sasaki Kojiro
Yaseikhaan
Peasant Phill
Death is yonder
YLC
Secura

Lynched (6)

Csargo
Askthepizzaguy
Seon
GeneralHankerchief
White_Eyes:D
Romanic

WoG (1)
AVSM



***

It is now night. PM's please. Night will last for +/- 23 hours.

:bow:

[Choxorn]

Epic Death Scene with Princess Bride references is Epic.

[Scienter]

I'm back! I was on work travel and forgot to vote. *hides*

[Secura]

In his mind though, Secura was an obvious kill choice

What made me an obvious kill choice? Why didn't you suggest protection on me if that was your suspicion? It's a similar outcome to the first night, where people said "autolycus was an obvious kill choice" and yet nobody messaged me to protect him. -_-'

I think it would be nice to play a large game and actually make it to the last ten players or so ; I haven't made it to end-game in a 40+ since Noblesse Oblige... the first game I played here. Not sure whether that's the mafia perceiving me as a threat that needs neutering or something not as complimentary. Good luck to the rest of the town, though. :3

[johnhughthom]

You still have me in your list of living players Andres, should be Diamondeye.

[Diana Abnoba]

Thanks to all that voted for me to become our next Naib. I will do my best. :bow:

Andres night orders have been sent, thanks.

*If anyone has any suggestions, I am an open minded Naib, you can PM me. Thanks*

[Renata]

Good luck, Diana, I have a good feeling about this.

Also @ Andres -- that was sheer perfection, thank you.

[TheFlax]

What made me an obvious kill choice? Why didn't you suggest protection on me if that was your suspicion? It's a similar outcome to the first night, where people said "autolycus was an obvious kill choice" and yet nobody messaged me to protect him. -_-'

Didn't you read the "case" against me? Renata suspects me because I did exactly that. I told her I thought you might be one of the targets. She then told me she had already chosen someone to protect. What more could I have done exactly?

[Secura]

Didn't you read the "case" against me? Renata suspects me because I did exactly that. I told her I thought you might be one of the targets.

Yes, I saw that... but what made me an obvious choice?


What more could I have done exactly?

Don't worry about it; it happens, alot unfortunately, but it's not your fault... or is it? :laugh4:

[The Stranger]

you dead. sssh

[Secura]

Nevermind...

[TheFlax]

Yes, I saw that... but what made me an obvious choice?

In an nutshell, you weren't going to be lynched anytime soon. You had no meaningful opposition.


you dead. sssh

You're annoying. Ssssh.

[The Stranger]

nevermind... nevermind... nevermind...

[pevergreen]

nevermind... nevermind... nevermind...

scum

[The Stranger]

lol i am rotfl.

[Andres]

I'd appreciate it if spam would be kept at the minimum minimorum of degrees.

Inactivity is not the only reason for WoG'ing players.

Thank you.

:bow:

[Andres]

Night 7 - Conclusion

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Captain Blackadder was sitting in his room enjoying a glass of cognac and Bram Stokers' "Dracula" when suddenly, a figure wearing a dark cloak entered.

"Good evening," Captain Blackadder said.

The cloaked figure came near and suddenly he said in amazement: " My God, what's happened to your neck?"

"Erm, er, well, well, well, well, they're love bites, actually!" Captain Blackadder answered.

"Looks more like dog bites to me."

"Well, yes, yes, she was, erm, a bit of an animal!" the Captain answered, slightly embarrassed.

"Really, Captain!"

"Oh yes!"

"Fight to the death, eh!"

"Oh yes. Well, as my tutor, Old Bubbleface used to say, "Make love and be merry, for tomorrow you may catch some disgusting skin disease."" the Captain answered and he laughed softly, an insincere smile on his face.

"Actually, I'd be prepared to swear they were dog bites," the dark cloaked figure said.

"They are not dog bites! She was very attractive."

"Yeah: shiny coat, wet nose, clear eyes..."

The Captains' eyes narrowed a little.

"Enough of this! What are you doing in my room anyway?"

The cloaked figure didn't answer, but looked at the Captain's book. The killer started to giggle.

"Oh no, "Dracula". Hahahahaha!"

"What's so funny about it?"

"It's the most pointless book since "How to Learn French"... was translated into French."

Captain Blackadder didn't look too pleased.

"Anyway, let's get this over with, shall we?"

"Huh?" Captain Blackadder answered.

The attacker quickly jumped forward and swung a wooden club against the Captains' skull.

Feeling dizzy, the Captain looked up and saw a blade coming down.

The killer briefly looked at the decapacitated body and then left the hotel room.


***

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Greyblades was standing on his balcony, watching the moon shining over the Alhambra.

He was in complete harmony and practising his sword skills. In his mind, he was at the Dojo at Mount Crenel.

Concentrated, he performed the roll attack, a skill he used to learn to the students at the Dojo. He smiled when he remembered that strange boy, what was his name? Link, yes, he was called Link. A weird name. An interesting kid, rumour had it he could transform in a wolf.

Greyblades grinned. As a vampire hunter, experienced in dealing with the supernatural, he knew Link couldn't transform in a wolf; he was just a kid playing too much Nintendo games.

As he was continuing to meditate and practising his skills, he didn't notice the dark figure sneaking up on him.

The figure drew a dagger and waited until Greyblades sat down, to meditate. Slowly, the killer came near. Standing very close behind Greyblades, the attacker used the knife to slice his throat. While his life was slowly gulping out of his artery, the attacker pierced the knife through Greyblades' eyeball, right into his brains.


***

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It was raining heavily. The lightning storm started an hour ago and all inhabitants of the city of Granada were staying inside. Most people couldn't remember such a heavy storm.

Only those touched by the curse knew the true meaning of this lightning storm...

A strange scream could be heard, a mix of anger and frustration, with an undertone of fear.

"This cannot be! It is impossible!"

Then, the lightning storm stopped as suddenly as it had begun...


***


Day 8


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Diana Abnoba was impatiently waiting for the last dagger to arrive at the meeting.

"Finally," she said, looking a bit annoyed at the late comers.

"Again, we lost two men last night. This is getting problematic, brothers and sisters. We need to get our act together and it has to happen as soon as possible!"

Diana paused.

"There was also this storm. It is unexplainable. Suddenly it was there and 30 minutes later, it was gone again. Something similar has happened in the past; our archives mention such storms and it usually meant trouble. Big trouble. But let us not waste too much time."


***


Alive (19)

1. TheFlax
2. Niklas
3. Renata
4. Beskar
5. Diana Abnoba
6. Double A
7. TinCow
8. atheotes
9. The Stranger
10. Methos
11. spL1tp3r50naL1ty
12. Jolt
13. Choxorn
14. Kukrikhan
15. Beefy187
16. Kagemusha
17. pevergreen
18. DiamondEye
19. Scienter

Killed (14)

autolycus
Yaropolk
Chaotix
Centurion1
Ibn-Khaldun
Psychonaut
Sasaki Kojiro
Yaseikhaan
Peasant Phill
Death is yonder
YLC
Secura
Captain Blackadder
GreyBlades


Lynched (6)

Csargo
Askthepizzaguy
Seon
GeneralHankerchief
White_Eyes:D
Romanic

WoG (1)
AVSM


***

It is now day. You can vote. Day will last for 24 hours.

:bow:

[The Stranger]

vote: beskar

ding dong whos there? time! time who? time to die!

[Renata]

vote: Atheotes

I'll get my arguments together in the morning.

[Secura]

vote: Atheotes

I'll get my arguments together in the morning.

This is a fine choice for a lynch, as would be Kagemusha or TinCow. :bow:

[Jolt]

Vote: Kagemusha

It's time the biased news anchors be put off the air.

[Romanic]

I would suggest that you lynch spL1tp3r50naL1ty.

His votes so far were:

Day 2: did not vote
Day 3: did not vote
Day 4: abstain
Day 5: abstain
Day 6: did not vote
Day 7: did not vote

He does not bother voting, at all. There's also these comments he made after I posted the post count spreadsheet:

Night 4, post #734.
He's suddenly interested in the game, enough to compile a list of name from the spreadsheet.

Very handy spreadsheet, I'm disappointed to know how little I really am talking :/


I wish I could color my spreadsheets and be all fancy...



Has never posted during a night phase...
GH
Captain B.adder
Niklas
Pheasant Phil
YLC
TheFlax
Jolt
Slashandburn (0 posts thusfar)


Hmm...

And post #736 after Renata asked if he thinks she should vig someone:

Just Hmmm...

I'm not sure I can rightfully suggest anyone to vig right now, looking at my own track record in this game. Just nothing that there seem to be quite a few people who are almost uncharacteristically lurking...


Though again, pot, kettle, black, and all that.

These posts and his votes sent two different messages. He is interested when a spreadsheet shows him as pretty inactive (ans thus a potential lynch target), but he never bothers to vote. His last posts were useless and uncompromising, but of course good enough to evade a Wrath of God.

With half our people dead, I think it's time to start lynching some lurkers who might be using inactivity as a cover.

[Diana Abnoba]

I want to see lots of discussion today (19 still alive and all 3 mafia among them) (We only have about 5 rounds left to get this right).

Need to hear more from (put pressure on) the following:

1. Niklas
2. Beskar
3. Split
4. Now that Scienter is back more from her please
5. Methos

These are just some of the players, that need to participate more. Lets get some pressure on them, as well as, the others already mentioned in thread. :whip:

[Jolt]

Nice find.

Unvote; Vote: Splitpersonality

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yeah, go for split.

[Beefy187]

I suspect Beskar less after tonights death result. But...
Vote: Beskar

Tomorrows should be even more interesting....

[Scienter]

fos: TinCow and Kagemusha. Kagemusha's write ups are highly amusing and fun to read, which might be the reason he's still alive. If he's a vampire, being funny in the thread is a smart way to avoid suspicion. TinCow is always suspicious. :inquisitive:

[KukriKhan]

Yeah, go for split.

So, the dead guys wanna lynch split. Hmm. They, though deceased, are participating more than Mr. personality, so I give them the benefit of the doubt.

vote: splitpersonality

[TinCow]

I must be honest that I haven't been paying a ton of attention to this game. Scienter can confirm that I've been distracted at home for the last several days with work-related stuff. I've also been spending my free time playing Civ IV and haven't really put much thought into this game. I apologize for this situation, but it's not likely going to change for the next week at least until work stuff is resolved, and possibly not for the rest of the game. I think Jedi mafia drained me a bit when it comes to thread analysis.

Vote: splitpersonality

Trusting those that are paying more attention than me.

[The Stranger]

scum.

[pevergreen]

Vote: split

yaaaaaaaay.

[Renata]

unvote: vote split

I've given up on there being any substantive discussion today. Case against atheotes is pending.

[Beskar]

vote: atheotes

atheotes is always the mafia.

[Renata]

Whaddya know, somebody agrees with me.

unvote, vote: Atheotes

[Diamondeye]

Elect: pevergreen

I get the feeling we're just voting for females now, because they are females.

:yes:
:laugh4:


Epic Death Scene with Princess Bride references is Epic.

But the left-handed thingie was cut short, though :shrug:
Still, like!


vote: atheotes

atheotes is always the mafia.

Actually, I'd like to hear Renata's take on the Atheotes case, as well as her night actions as naib now that she's no longer in that position.

I have no problem with the Split wagon, but I'm also percieving Atheotes as possible scum, so I'll vote:Atheotes to keep it an option.

I'm sorry I've been off for a couple of days, so I've had some more pages to catch up on. I'd like to hear more from Kagemusha, as well. I mean, serious posts in addition to the (hilarious!) Saharan News... I don't know about TC, I was very wrong about him in SW Mafia so I'm not sure I should trust the slightly scummy vibe I'm getting from him :stare:

[Methos]

Scienter can confirm that I've been distracted at home

Whoops, not sure how I got Sasaki confused with Tincow. Sorry Scienter. :embarassed:


I've also been spending my free time playing Civ IV and haven't really put much thought into this game

Just...one...more...turn! :laugh4:

[Secura]

Actually, I'd like to hear Renata's night actions as naib now that she's no longer in that position.

Seconded; it's obvious that they weren't successful (t'is hard to second-guess the mafia, huh?), but they should be shared nonetheless.

[TheFlax]

I think both atheotes and split are good choices.

I've talked to Renata and the gist of the case against atheotes is firstly his voting pattern. Everyone he's voted for has ended up dead, 3 of them by lynch after joining a bandwagon, 1 by night kill. He avoided voting twice. Then there is he vote on White_Eyes which Renata mentioned already, breaking the potential for an easy tie.

On the other hand, there's split with IIRC only abstain votes and mostly not voting, another person barely avoiding the WOG in even worse fashion is AVSM.

Since there are already a lot of votes for split, I'm going to go with atheotes.

Vote: atheotes

EDIT: Just remembered that AVSM has been WOGed, disregard that part of the post.

[Romanic]

Whoops, not sure how I got Sasaki confused with Tincow. Sorry Scienter. :embarassed:



Just...one...more...turn! :laugh4:

Not voting, scum? Are you afraid to pick a side?

[TheFlax]

Not voting, scum? Are you afraid to pick a side?

You're picking on that post but not Scienter's post above with not vote and only a FOS? Why?

[Methos]

Not voting, scum? Are you afraid to pick a side?

At the time I was posting that I was first talking to Renata via IM and then afterwards with TheFlax to explain her position since she left, so I chose to wait. I guess I could just toss names out there for no reason if that is how you prefer this game to be played. Granted, someone who is mafia would want that exact thing to happen.

Oh, I forgot, you're new, so trying to act like the big boys...:juggle2:

I tend to agree with Renata, so Vote: atheotes.

[The Stranger]

isnt split very likely to be WOG'd?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You're picking on that post but not Scienter's post above with not vote and only a FOS? Why?

You're questioning a dead man, why? Don't like him hounding your buddy?

[Niklas]

I must say that the case against atheotes is very interesting to my mind, even at a level beyond the game. It's an immediate application of ATPG's "Mafia ESP" theory (which was definitely true for Subotan in Sigurd's game), and I'd very much like to see if it holds water beyond that game.

vote: atheotes

[TinCow]

isnt split very likely to be WOG'd?

This is true. I just checked and split hasn't posted in 5 days. Likely a wasted lynch.

Unvote; Vote: atheotes

atheotes hasn't posted in 2 days, but that's a lot better than 5.

[TheFlax]

You're questioning a dead man, why? Don't like him hounding your buddy?

I'm not questioning his motive, I just wanted to know why he thought Methos' post was scummier than Scienter's. Its not because Romanic is dead that he's suddenly infallible.

[TinCow]

I must say that the case against atheotes is very interesting to my mind, even at a level beyond the game. It's an immediate application of ATPG's "Mafia ESP" theory (which was definitely true for Subotan in Sigurd's game), and I'd very much like to see if it holds water beyond that game.

Where was this case posted? I seem to have missed it.

[TheFlax]

Where was this case posted? I seem to have missed it.

Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126833-Daggers-in-the-Night-In-Play&p=2494354&viewfull=1#post2494354), though its rather brief and incomplete, I did not have a chance to talk alot with Renata.

[Romanic]

You're picking on that post but not Scienter's post above with not vote and only a FOS? Why?

Why are you asking me this? Am I expected to do it every time if I do it once?


I'm not questioning his motive, I just wanted to know why he thought Methos' post was scummier than Scienter's. Its not because Romanic is dead that he's suddenly infallible.

Who said I was infallible? It was a probe to get Methos to talk/vote, like a lot of people do. I don't get your reaction here.

[TheFlax]

Why are you asking me this? Am I expected to do it every time if I do it once?

I'm asking because I wanted to know why specifically that post. I think it was valid to point it out and it actually indirectly led me to Scienter's post, who might I add has still not voted. Also, I'm not expecting something, I'm genuinely curious. Maybe my question sounded aggressive, but there's no point in me doing that, since you're already dead. Basicaly, I'm not accusing you of anything, I just wanted to know more, specifically why you picked that particular post. :shrug:


Who said I was infallible? It was a probe to get Methos to talk/vote, like a lot of people do. I don't get your reaction here.

That was a reply to Sasaki asking me why I was questioning someone who is already dead, implying it was bad and scummy. I happen to think everyone and everything should at least be somewhat questioned. Funny how an innocent question can lead to all of this...

[Scienter]

I'm asking because I wanted to know why specifically that post. I think it was valid to point it out and it actually indirectly led me to Scienter's post, who might I add has still not voted.



My FOS post was intended to foster some discussion before everyone started voting. I tend to agree with the others that spl1t is probably going to get WOG'd. Vote:atheotes.

I wanted to see Kagemusha and TinCow defend themselves a little before I voted. While I agree that TC has been distracted with work-related IRL stuff and crack Civ IV, but I still suspect that he'd be able to pm around discretely enough that I wouldn't notice if he was scheming. :laugh4:

[Renata]

I must say that the case against atheotes is very interesting to my mind, even at a level beyond the game. It's an immediate application of ATPG's "Mafia ESP" theory (which was definitely true for Subotan in Sigurd's game), and I'd very much like to see if it holds water beyond that game.

vote: atheotes

Your own votes, Niklas, are pretty much the ANTI mafia ESP thing, which is interesting given that you're clearly aware of it (everyone on your list of end-of-day votes is still alive).

Re: split, from talking to Romanic it appears that he won't meet the WOG requirement until approximately tomorrow, so full disclosure: if you want him to no longer be plaguing our hind-brains with "why did he show up only when he was on the verge of WOG, only to disappear again?), you will probably have to vote for him.

About Atheotes, though, the vote pattern is really far too short for mafia ESP to apply. What I do see there is:
-- four votes in six days (two non-votes).
-- three of four end-of-day votes on a pre-existing and ultimately successful bandwagon (no making waves here)
-- very little in the way of commentary in general ... except he wrote a good long post when I accused him the other day

It's a very scummy pattern, and he deserves to be lynched for it.

So does split. But I prefer Atheotes first because of the last point that's been mentioned, his last-hour vote on white_eyes, moving WE from four votes to five against a whole passel of people with two votes. (One of whom is now dead -- Romanic.) If Atheotes turns up mafia, that group of people should prove good hunting.

[Beskar]

i would llke to point out TinCow's comment:
"atheotes hasn't posted in 2 days, but that's a lot better than 5."

atheotes stopped posting exactly after Renata and others made a case against him. Just before this, he was out there accusing people, including myself.

aka, he is scum.

It is the typical atheotes mafia-manoeuvre.

[Renata]

Oh, forgot -- I've decided not to make public my choices as Naib, though Diana knows.

[The Stranger]

you just forgot? wth! the town has the right to know. at first you would make the public if you would not be reelected. Now you have not been reelected and you break your promise. jesus, its the same with all politicians. Maybe Diana is your mafia pall. I DEMAND that ATLEAST THREE MORE PERSONS are NOTIFIED of your DECISIONS as a NAIB!!! i think that is a reasonable demand.

and fos at you, for this very scummy forgetting and breaking of promises.

[Renata]

You OK, Stranger? That was little overwrought.

[The Stranger]

i dont think so. cough up those bloody night orders!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There is no point in coughing up the night orders. They don't really tell us anything. The Stranger is just being a conservative slave to tradition (since the first naib arbitrarily revealed night orders, he demands that the 2nd does, without thinking about why).

[Askthepizzaguy]

I recommend that The Stranger's requests be ignored.

The night orders tell us something later, or when they are successful. Until then, no.

[The Stranger]

There is no point in coughing up the night orders. They don't really tell us anything. The Stranger is just being a conservative slave to tradition (since the first naib arbitrarily revealed night orders, he demands that the 2nd does, without thinking about why).

i am not slave to tradition, i am just curious. i want to know. period. she promised, breaking promises is scummy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

i am not slave to tradition, i am just curious. i want to know. period. she promised, breaking promises is scummy.

There's no need to satiate your personal curiosity when there remains a distinct advantage in keeping private information private at the moment. Whet your appetite for information later.

[Andres]

Day 8 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Daggers%20in%20the%20Night/P9150330.jpg


The daggers didn’t talk a lot, despite a former Naib stressing the importance of the proceedings.

Some daggers seemed to have better things to do, like scratching their behind or playing civilised computer games. Others didn’t even talk at all!

If there would be Gods, they would be disappointed when confronted with such apathy.

At the end of the day, two daggers were found to be very suspicious.

The new Naib reread her notes and then looked up.

“atheotes,” she said, with a soft and gentle voice. Carefully, she put the note with the name on the table.

She walked over to a wooden platform and mounted the stairs, leading to the platform. Standing on it, she took off her Naib cloak, revealing the scabbard that was hanging from a shoulder belt. For a brief moment, she looked up, at the sky. Diana hadn't been herself anymore since the day the handsome man who delivered pizza's had been executed. She sighed and then looked down.

“atheotes,” the Naib said again, soft and gentle. “Please, come over here.”

atheotes looked up at his Naib. He was… afraid. The previous Naib was a more than decent swordswoman. This one would probably be of equal skill, or maybe better. Allthough some executions had been more messy than others, at the end of the day, the lynchee always died. He didn't want to die.

Carefully, he mounted the stairs, his right hand on his sword, his left hand on a silver dagger, not losing sight of the Naib and her movements. He was looking very pale. He didn't want to die.

The Naib waited patiently. She seemed relax and confident.

When atheotes was almost there, he started to tremble. He couldn't do this. He just couldn't.

“Screw this!” he exclaimed. Suddenly, he made a movement, as if he was going to turn around, to run away, away from certain death.

In a flash, the Naib drew a silver dagger and threw it at atheotes. Her aim was perfect and the silver knive entered his heart. Fast as lightning, the Naib jumped forward, unsheathed her blade and cut off atheotes' head. His body was still falling, when his head floated through the air and hit the stairs.

The daggers stared at the head, bouncing slowly off the stairs and stopping right in front of them. When they looked up, the Naib was still holding her sword in her hand. Staring at a point in the distance, she whispered softly:

“Get to your hotel rooms. Tomorrow we’ll know if he was the one we’re looking for.”


***

Tally:

atheotes: 8 (Methos, Diamondeye, Scienter, TinCow, TheFlax, Renata, Beskar, Niklas) :skull:

splitpersonality: 3 (Jolt, Kukrikhan, pevergreen)
Beskar: 2 (Beefy187, The Stranger)

Not voting: 6 (Choxorn, Kagemusha, Diana (Naib), splitpersonality, atheothes, Double A)


***

Alive (18)

1. TheFlax
2. Niklas
3. Renata
4. Beskar
5. Diana Abnoba
6. Double A
7. TinCow
8. The Stranger
9. Methos
10. spL1tp3r50naL1ty
11. Jolt
12. Choxorn
13. Kukrikhan
14. Beefy187
15. Kagemusha
16. pevergreen
17. DiamondEye
18. Scienter

Killed (14)

autolycus
Yaropolk
Chaotix
Centurion1
Ibn-Khaldun
Psychonaut
Sasaki Kojiro
Yaseikhaan
Peasant Phill
Death is yonder
YLC
Secura
Captain Blackadder
GreyBlades


Lynched (7)

Csargo
Askthepizzaguy
Seon
GeneralHankerchief
White_Eyes:D
Romanic
atheotes

WoG (1)
AVSM


***

It is now night. PM's please. Night will last for +/- 23 hours.

Note: I'm not very impressed with the level of activity in this round.

:bow:

[The Stranger]

like there is any hope of guessing who the mafia will attack. there have been 7 guesses now and they all failed.

[Secura]

It's funny how everyone defends Renata's decision not to reveal the orders she processed yet the same didn't apply to me, it was all "tell everyone when your term finishes".

If I'd have opted to retain my choices, I'd have been painted as scummy. -_-'

EDIT: I'd suggest that either Diana or her successor considers utilising those two vig-kills on suspects, might get lucky.

[Askthepizzaguy]

like there is any hope of guessing who the mafia will attack. there have been 7 guesses now and they all failed.

First of all, the odds were against us before, as they are now, however with each successive round the odds improve, if we guess randomly. There are fewer "wrong answers" to choose from.

Second, past performance is not a reliable indicator of future results. Failures in the past do not increase our chance of failure in the future, and I can demonstrate with math that our chances actually improve here.

Thirdly, I fail to see the point of your incessant and non-constructive negativity. It doesn't help anyone, not the team, nor your credibility. So kindly stop, thank you. :bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I had Diana sit in a comfy chair, and I've poked her with the soft cushions, and ordered her to confess to being the ancient one. :whip:

Sadly, no such confession was offered. However, I can report that she seemed to enjoy the experience. I'll tell you more later...

after my turn, of course. :grin:

[The Stranger]

It's funny how everyone defends Renata's decision not to reveal the orders she processed yet the same didn't apply to me, it was all "tell everyone when your term finishes".

If I'd have opted to retain my choices, I'd have been painted as scummy. -_-'

EDIT: I'd suggest that either Diana or her successor considers utilising those two vig-kills on suspects, might get lucky.

everyone? i didnt defend her.

[Choxorn]

like there is any hope of guessing who the mafia will attack. there have been 7 guesses now and they all failed.

Your constant annoying of the Naibs isn't going to make anyone else more likely to be protected.

[Secura]

everyone? i didnt defend her.

Hyperbole. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole)

[The Stranger]

no. hyperboles are scummy. it is only because you are dead you can use them. anyone to recognize them without using wikipedia is scummy too. nice try though.

[atheotes]

:laugh4:

nice bandwagon...i hope it proves useful once we catch one of the scum. I was away due to RL so no chance of defending any perceived cases against me...sorry about that.

I cant believe you guys give any credence to theory about my vote on White_eyes. Anyways i am still free to accuse people and maybe someone will consider what i am saying after the night phase.

very scummy:
Beskar - changed his random vote behavior after getting a few votes and is suddenly interested in analyzing behavior
called GH scum but did not vote for him and never bothered to answer questions abt it.
Claimed to be the secret role (?)

Niklas - Makes a case for Tincow being scum in chat with Romanic (?) but never makes the case or votes in thread even though he is active in another game

@ Renata - Why are you not disclosing your targets as Naib?

Right now my money is on atleast 2 among Beskar, Niklas, Renata and Flax being mafia.

[The Stranger]

i think beskar should die.

[Niklas]

Niklas - Makes a case for Tincow being scum in chat with Romanic (?) but never makes the case or votes in thread even though he is active in another game.
Not true. The whole reason for that chat with Romanic was due to me voting for TinCow, and Romanic wanting to know why. I did make the case back then, and backed it up with a vote too.

[Greyblades]

Phew.
Ok thats one exam out of the way and the next one is not until thursday, anything I miss?
Edit: ...so I'm dead then... Anyone needing a replacement?

[atheotes]

Not true. The whole reason for that chat with Romanic was due to me voting for TinCow, and Romanic wanting to know why. I did make the case back then, and backed it up with a vote too.
yes, but your vote was on Day 5.
Once Romanic mentioned the case on day 6, you never backed him or showed up to vote even though you were active elsewhere in the forum.
if you thought your case was not valid, you should have atleast laid out the reasons in the thread. But you just stayed way and your not voting for Tincow was not due to having a better lynch choice :bow:

[Renata]

Too ranty, thought better of it.

[Beskar]

i think beskar should die.
...

I recommend that The Stranger's requests be ignored.

[The Stranger]

i am thinking you are scum

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm shocked. Shocked.

[Double A]

Heeeeeeey, I'm back from the beach!

If I missed anything important, someone please tell me. Otherwise, I'll try to take on this behemoth Tuesday or Wednesday, cause I got homework and projects galore.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Mafia are going to win.

[Beefy187]

Mafia are going to win.

I somehow feel that we havn't caught a single one yet..

[atheotes]

I somehow feel that we havn't caught a single one yet..

I know for sure we havent caught a single one yet :laugh4:

[KukriKhan]

I know for sure we havent caught a single one yet :laugh4:

How is it you sound so certain? Or does the :laugh4: mean you're just kidding? Or are you just posting anything to up your in-thread postcount?

If you "know for sure", maybe you should share it with the rest of the class.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Kills will go down when we hit a mafioso. Currently atheotes is the only mafioso we could have killed. If he knows he isn't mafia, then he knows we haven't got one.

[atheotes]

Kills will go down when we hit a mafioso. Currently atheotes is the only mafioso we could have killed. If he knows he isn't mafia, then he knows we haven't got one.

thats why i am sure :bow:

[Beskar]

Incorrect assumption.

Kills will go down once two mafia are killed, not one. Remember, when one of the henchmen dies, the ancient one can strike.

[TheFlax]

Incorrect assumption.

Kills will go down once two mafia are killed, not one. Remember, when one of the henchmen dies, the ancient one can strike.

Wrong.


Each slave will be capable of killing one townie. When both slaves are dead (and only then), the "Ancient" will be able to kill one townie a night.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I feel you're not paying close attention to this game, Kukri. Either that or you're pretending not to. Why would he need to up his in-thread post count if he's dead? Furthermore, why are you just voting how dead people say? Is that a cover, so you can vote however you please without needing to provide a reason?

:holmes:

Awfully scummy.

[Diana Abnoba]

Andres, orders sent for tonight.

I agree with Andres, more voting and discussion are needed! (or do I need to use my sword against you guys as well :duel: )

[The Stranger]

beskar must die.

[pevergreen]

beskar must die.

ts must die.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You know, the mafia could be really nice and just kill them both for us, since it is obvious we will never lynch them.

[The Stranger]

woah... PEVER!!! i have totally forgot about you, how kind of you to pop up. i smelled vampire all over you at the start of the game... what are you hiding my friend. you show very Ancient behaviour!

[pevergreen]

woah... PEVER!!! i have totally forgot about you, how kind of you to pop up. i smelled vampire all over you at the start of the game... what are you hiding my friend. you show very Ancient behaviour!

Yet I'm not the one sending suspicious PM's.

[The Stranger]

neither am i.

[pevergreen]

pever. you thought i was dead eh... hahahhaha im not. and now i know you are mafia as sure as i knew u were don in capo!

you will be lynched next turn!

sleep well tonight, evil minion. and tell your master, i am coming for him. let the wolves cry "were" tonight!

Fine, how about silly PM's?

[Diamondeye]

You know, the mafia could be really nice and just kill them both for us, since it is obvious we will never lynch them.

You wouldn't need a lot of cookies to bribe me to vote TS. He's not providing anything for town at all and haven't done all game :inquisitive:

[The Stranger]

Fine, how about silly PM's?

guilty.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You wouldn't need a lot of cookies to bribe me to vote TS. He's not providing anything for town at all and haven't done all game :inquisitive:

He's innocent. If he were mafia his own teammates would have strangled him by now for nearly getting himself lynched and not caring and continuing to do the behavior which would get him killed. Only I am that reckless with my life as mafia. It's a judgment call, but really if we were going to kill him we should have done it as soon as he first started getting annoying. Let's not waste these important endgame lynches. If the mafia have any intelligence they will kill him themselves. He grates on the nerves sometimes but I have faith (possibly misplaced...) that he will vote for a scumbag when it is crunch time.

We need him... like Craig Toomey in the Langoliers. I say we need him. At the very least, the Langoliers will eat him instead of us.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

DE is mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

DE is mafia.

What's the evidence against him? I am at a loss for leads atm.

[Renata]

I wish we had more vig shots. Those are perfect for distractions. For real suspects you want the record in the voting.

[The Stranger]

if people had listened to me mafia would have been dead by now... but nooooo... people wanted to lycnh white_eyes and aotheotes

beskar must die,
pever must die,
tincow must die

[johnhughthom]

I wish we had more vig shots. Those are perfect for distractions. For real suspects you want the record in the voting.

Have the vig shots been used? I thought you still had two.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Have the vig shots been used? I thought you still had two.

Nice of you to pop by just when there's an accusation against Diamondeye.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What's the evidence against him? I am at a loss for leads atm.

Pizza is mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza is mafia.

:laugh4: Awesome killing past death powers, activate! Destroy the also-dead Sasaki!!!

[johnhughthom]

I'm not in any games here or at TWC, I'm in two games with lame roles at CFC and I don't start back to work until tomorrow. I'm bored, I can only watch so much pron and it's a lovely sunny day outside, I'm sick of the sun. I looked up the last write up and the list of kills didn't distinguish between vig kills and scum kills, so I was just asking if they had been used. If you'd rather I'll go away and be bored elsewhere.

[TinCow]

if people had listened to me mafia would have been dead by now... but nooooo... people wanted to lycnh white_eyes and aotheotes

beskar must die,
pever must die,
tincow must die

Unfortunately, you're not as good a mafia hunter as you think you are.

[Andres]

Andres: "oh! Somebody posted in my game! I hope he's enjoying himself and is having fun. Let's see what he has to say!"


I'm bored, I can only watch so much pron and it's a lovely sunny day outside, I'm sick of the sun.

:mean:

[johnhughthom]

Andres: "oh! Somebody posted in my game! I hope he's enjoying himself and is having fun. Let's see what he has to say!"



:mean:

:shame:

:hanged:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not in any games here or at TWC, I'm in two games with lame roles at CFC and I don't start back to work until tomorrow. I'm bored, I can only watch so much pron and it's a lovely sunny day outside, I'm sick of the sun. I looked up the last write up and the list of kills didn't distinguish between vig kills and scum kills, so I was just asking if they had been used. If you'd rather I'll go away and be bored elsewhere.

I just find it interesting that when other folks drop from the game, they don't continue to play because they aren't rooting for any team anymore. So, if you're still interested, I can only conclude you had to drop for some RL reason, and now you're back and want to support your replacement friend, who is mafia.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Andres is mafia.

[Andres]

Miyamoto Musashi > Sasaki Kojiro.

[TinCow]

Hmmm... I think this focus on lurkers can go too far. Slapping lurkers around once in a while is good to keep them on their toes, but I think it's unlikely all the mafioso are lurkers. I'm going to say we need to lynch Kage tomorrow. Clearly active and paying a lot of attention to the game, but failing to provide any deep analysis. Seems odd for Kage to put that much time and effort into reviewing all the posts of multiple day phases and still have no arguments to make against someone.

[The Stranger]

wow what an activity! seems like the right spots are being hit.

Andres should die. this way, everyone wins!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Let's not kid ourselves, we all know that that the evidence against TinCow is too strong to leave it sit any longer.

[The Stranger]

agreed. die!

Sasaki has commanded, he must be obeyed!

[pevergreen]

TS can and has been this bad ATPG.

I remember Fantasy Mafia. He was like this.

[Renata]

I thought I'd just give my argument for why I should have been retained as Naib (no offense to the lovely Diana):

The Naib was brushing off her sword-fighting outfit when Atheotes was dragged in.

"Another day, another lynch," she said. "What's this one done?"

"He's always Mafia!" yelled split. "Just look at him!"

Renata looked at him. Then she looked at split. "I thought we were looking for vampires," she said.

"Well ..." said split. He scooted off to the side and was replaced by TinCow.

"Atheotes is always Mafia!" said TinCow.

"I see," said Renata. "Do you have anything to say in your own defense, Atheotes?"

The accused Dagger glared, well, glared daggers at her.

"This is so pathetic!" he cried. "I'm never Mafia -- well there was that cult thing recently, but that doesn't count. And I vaguely remember something before that, but it was over so fast it might as well have never happened. But other than that, I'm never Mafia! Never! This is all just some ridiculous in-joke that's gone way too far, and it always gets me in trouble, and it's Just. Not. Fair! I'M SO SICK OF IT!"

"I see," said Renata. "So you'd like to be Mafia."

Atheotes' mouth opened as if he were about to rant some more, but then he thought better of it. He regarded the Naib silently.

"Wait right here," she told him. She sent one of the Daggers running off for supplies, then set about touching up the shine on her black boots.

"Are you going to pretend to fight me, too?" asked Atheotes.

"Ah, no," said Renata. "I think you've been wronged. You should get the chance to do something about that."

"Really?" said Atheotes. "Because I hear you cheat."

"Oh I do," said the Naib. "But you'll have to worry about that another time. I see my errand boy has returned."

Diamondeye nodded to Renata, and handed her three wrapped parcels before retreating to the walls of the courtyard along with the rest of the surviving Daggers. The first was a fedora, the second a black trench coat. She handed both of these to the unresisting Atheotes, who looked at her quizzically. It was only when she pulled out the antique tommy gun that his eyes began to gleam.

"I don't even care if you kill me," he breathed. "This is my DREAM."

"You're mafia," Renata said quietly, so no one else could hear. "Have at it." She'd retreated prudently behind a massive urn by the time Atheotes began to fire.

"HAHAHAHAHA," yelled Atheotes with glee. "I'm the mafia, fools! Die, townie scum!" The tommy gun chattered and roared, almost but not quite obscuring the screams of the Daggers as they fled the courtyard. Crimson gore splattered the stones and the walls. Some if it landed uncomfortably close to Renata; she pulled her gleaming boots a bit further into the shadow of the urn. At length, there was silence, except for the footsteps, approaching.

The tommy gun's barrel poked through the shrubbery behind her head. "I saved the last bullet for you," whispered Atheotes.

"That's only appropriate," said Renata.

Atheotes pulled the trigger. The gun exploded. Despite her carefully chosen cover, a few chunks of Atheotes landed on Renata's spotless boots. "Yuck," she said.

There wasn't enough left of Atheotes' heart to drive a stake into, but she severed his spinal cord without much difficulty.

The rest of the Daggers, most of whom had been severely bruised by the fake bullets and all of whom had incurred steep dry-cleaning bills from the fake blood that had filled them, were not amused.

[The Stranger]

TS can and has been this bad ATPG.

I remember Fantasy Mafia. He was like this.

not at all i kicked ass in FM... i was so good at duels!!

oh.. im confused with KUNG FU MAFIA!!!

[Diamondeye]

Yay! Renata's errand boy, that's me :beam:

[Beskar]

Unfortunately, you're not as good a mafia hunter as you think you are.

One might think he was scum, but he is most likely just *rhymes with scum*.

[atheotes]

I thought I'd just give my argument for why I should have been retained as Naib (no offense to the lovely Diana):

The Naib was brushing off her sword-fighting outfit when Atheotes was dragged in.

"Another day, another lynch," she said. "What's this one done?"

"He's always Mafia!" yelled split. "Just look at him!"

Renata looked at him. Then she looked at split. "I thought we were looking for vampires," she said.

"Well ..." said split. He scooted off to the side and was replaced by TinCow.

"Atheotes is always Mafia!" said TinCow.

"I see," said Renata. "Do you have anything to say in your own defense, Atheotes?"

The accused Dagger glared, well, glared daggers at her.

"This is so pathetic!" he cried. "I'm never Mafia -- well there was that cult thing recently, but that doesn't count. And I vaguely remember something before that, but it was over so fast it might as well have never happened. But other than that, I'm never Mafia! Never! This is all just some ridiculous in-joke that's gone way too far, and it always gets me in trouble, and it's Just. Not. Fair! I'M SO SICK OF IT!"

"I see," said Renata. "So you'd like to be Mafia."

Atheotes' mouth opened as if he were about to rant some more, but then he thought better of it. He regarded the Naib silently.

"Wait right here," she told him. She sent one of the Daggers running off for supplies, then set about touching up the shine on her black boots.

"Are you going to pretend to fight me, too?" asked Atheotes.

"Ah, no," said Renata. "I think you've been wronged. You should get the chance to do something about that."

"Really?" said Atheotes. "Because I hear you cheat."

"Oh I do," said the Naib. "But you'll have to worry about that another time. I see my errand boy has returned."

Diamondeye nodded to Renata, and handed her three wrapped parcels before retreating to the walls of the courtyard along with the rest of the surviving Daggers. The first was a fedora, the second a black trench coat. She handed both of these to the unresisting Atheotes, who looked at her quizzically. It was only when she pulled out the antique tommy gun that his eyes began to gleam.

"I don't even care if you kill me," he breathed. "This is my DREAM."

"You're mafia," Renata said quietly, so no one else could hear. "Have at it." She'd retreated prudently behind a massive urn by the time Atheotes began to fire.

"HAHAHAHAHA," yelled Atheotes with glee. "I'm the mafia, fools! Die, townie scum!" The tommy gun chattered and roared, almost but not quite obscuring the screams of the Daggers as they fled the courtyard. Crimson gore splattered the stones and the walls. Some if it landed uncomfortably close to Renata; she pulled her gleaming boots a bit further into the shadow of the urn. At length, there was silence, except for the footsteps, approaching.

The tommy gun's barrel poked through the shrubbery behind her head. "I saved the last bullet for you," whispered Atheotes.

"That's only appropriate," said Renata.

Atheotes pulled the trigger. The gun exploded. Despite her carefully chosen cover, a few chunks of Atheotes landed on Renata's spotless boots. "Yuck," she said.

There wasn't enough left of Atheotes' heart to drive a stake into, but she severed his spinal cord without much difficulty.

The rest of the Daggers, most of whom had been severely bruised by the fake bullets and all of whom had incurred steep dry-cleaning bills from the fake blood that had filled them, were not amused.

:laugh4: that was good...pity you did not manage to lynch a scum and you did not get re-elected.

why are you so keen on becoming the Naib again?

[atheotes]

One might think he was scum, but he is most likely just *rhymes with scum*.

who do you think is scum?

[Renata]

:laugh4: that was good...pity you did not manage to lynch a scum and you did not get re-elected.

why are you so keen on becoming the Naib again?

Because I'm a control freak and a paranoiac. If it's me, it is by definition not a mafia or dubious 'special role'.

Why didn't you play like this when you were still alive?

[Renata]

I unintentionally broke a rule of the game in revealing my results to Diana -- Naib results are only to be reported in public. I told Andres about it, and my choices are reveal publicly or be wogged. Which is no choice, really, although I am grateful I wasn't just killed outright.

I protected Diana all three days, using TinCow, atheotes and atheotes to do the protecting.

[The Stranger]

-_-.... and again i was right. but hey... you cant say stuff like that or people will hate you. so much for emancipation.

any reason why you protected her 3 nights in a row?

[Romanic]

Renata is a powerful soothsayer, she was protecting our future Naib :laugh4:

[Renata]

You joke, but that's pretty much it. Unless Pizza is a dead Ancient Vampire who's going to come back at the end and eat us all; or unless he's a lot worse at reading Diana than he claims to be; his lack of accusation against Diana means she is very likely innocent. That made her a solid choice to protect, and I saw no reason to change the decision once made.

[atheotes]

Because I'm a control freak and a paranoiac. If it's me, it is by definition not a mafia or dubious 'special role'.

Why didn't you play like this when you were still alive?

RL got in the way :furious3:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You joke, but that's pretty much it. Unless Pizza is a dead Ancient Vampire who's going to come back at the end and eat us all; or unless he's a lot worse at reading Diana than he claims to be; his lack of accusation against Diana means she is very likely innocent. That made her a solid choice to protect, and I saw no reason to change the decision once made.

I would come back and eat you, but I just got the worms that are eating my brain arranged just the way I like them, and I'm not messing that up.

[Methos]

You realize, Renata, that the ancient vamp gets to pick their slaves and other then the obvious one I'd rather not discuss, there are in-game reasons for him to do so. How best to help out someone you care about by putting them in such a position. Would be very interesting.

[Renata]

Sorry, I'm having trouble parsing that.

[Diamondeye]

Sorry, I'm having trouble parsing that.

I second this; Can you rephrase your comment, Methos?

[Andres]

Night 8 - Conclusion

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Niklas had been naughty that night.

The constant pressure was just too much to take and he simply had to go somewhere. Against all good advice from the Naibs, he decided to leave his hotelroom to take a short walk. Just catching some fresh air, nothing more. He would be back within the hour.

As he was walking through the city, he ran into a bar, called "El Fanatico Civilizado." He entered the bar and forgot all about time...

There were some really great people at that place and allthough he never had the intention to get drunk or to stay there for too long, the atmosphere, the people and the music were just too good. The special cocktail "IV" probably had something to do with it. That stuff was just irresistable and he found himself at the bar, constantly ordering just... one... more... IV...

Eventually, some of the regulars had to drag him out. As he was standing outside, inhaling fresh air, he slowly came back to his senses.

What had he been thinking! The vampire hunting society was facing its' biggest threat in centuries and here he was, partying and getting drunk. If they failed, humanity would be doomed! He suddenly felt very guilty. For days, he had hardly spoken a word during the councils and now he was here, barely able to keep his balance, being drunk.

Niklas turned away from the tempting disco lights, booze, music and gorgeous women and walked back home, his cheeks glowing with a shameful blush.

Still muttering in himself about how irresponsible he had been, he entered a narrow, steep alley, not noticing the figure wearing a dark cloak that had been following him.

"Naughty, very naughty indeed," a voice whispered behind Niklas.

"Huh?" were his final words, before a wooden club hit him on the head. While he was falling down, the figure jumped forward, drew a blade and seperated poor Niklas' head from his body.

Without hesitating, the killer left the scene.


***

Day 9
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Diana was furious.

"Are you all idiots? Who else was outside their hotels while they were supposed to be inside, behind a locked door! Gah!"

The daggers looked ashamed and stared at the ground.

"We only lost one dagger last night. I don't know what to think of it. Maybe we are making progress, maybe not. But since there's still somebody out killing daggers, we'll have to continue this."


***

Alive (17)

1. TheFlax
2. Renata
3. Beskar
4. Diana Abnoba
5. Double A
6. TinCow
7. The Stranger
8. Methos
9. spL1tp3r50naL1ty
10. Jolt
11. Choxorn
12. Kukrikhan
13. Beefy187
14. Kagemusha
15. pevergreen
16. DiamondEye
17. Scienter

Killed (15)

autolycus
Yaropolk
Chaotix
Centurion1
Ibn-Khaldun
Psychonaut
Sasaki Kojiro
Yaseikhaan
Peasant Phill
Death is yonder
YLC
Secura
Captain Blackadder
GreyBlades
Niklas

Lynched (7)

Csargo
Askthepizzaguy
Seon
GeneralHankerchief
White_Eyes:D
Romanic
atheotes

WoG (1)
AVSM


***

It's now day. You can start voting. Day will last for +/- 24 hours.

:bow:

[Diana Abnoba]

@ Renata

No offense taken, you are a much better creative writer than me (most of you guys are), (and never said I was, nor asked for this position BTW). I only gave the lynch idea to Andres he wrote the write up (and he added the Pizza part to BTW).

Also thanks again for the protections.



No Pizza is not coming back from the grave to kill you all, but maybe he could, to help me with the next lynch story (please, :deal: :kiss: )



@ TS
Because I innocent!

[Scienter]

I think Methos is saying that Pizza and Diana are a couple in real life and are therefore working together.

[Methos]

Sorry, let me explain this way. Say I managed to talk my wife into playing mafia and then say I was chosen to play the ancient vampire and had the choice to choose my slaves, then I would consider choosing my wife as one of them. Why? It would give her the chance to be on the mafia team and it would allow me to help her. As far as I know Diana has never been mafia, so if ATPG were the ancient vamp, this would be a great time to both give her the opportunity and help her if she is in need of it. So his never accusing her may not mean she's not guilty, it may simply mean he doesn't wish to accuse his mafia teammate.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry, let me explain this way. Say I managed to talk my wife into playing mafia and then say I was chosen to play the ancient vampire and had the choice to choose my slaves, then I would consider choosing my wife as one of them. Why? It would give her the chance to be on the mafia team and it would allow me to help her. As far as I know Diana has never been mafia, so if ATPG were the ancient vamp, this would be a great time to both give her the opportunity and help her if she is in need of it. So his never accusing her may not mean she's not guilty, it may simply mean he doesn't wish to accuse his mafia teammate.

If I were the ancient vampire, then the ancient one is already dead. Doesn't work that way in Godfather games. Godfather dies, mafia goes kaput. Here on the .org anyway.

If I were a slave, the kills would have dropped a while ago. No dice there either.

Diana and I have been mafia together not once, but twice. I'd be a terrible pick, and vice-versa, since suspicion on me lands on the other, and so on.

[TheFlax]

Sorry, let me explain this way. Say I managed to talk my wife into playing mafia and then say I was chosen to play the ancient vampire and had the choice to choose my slaves, then I would consider choosing my wife as one of them. Why? It would give her the chance to be on the mafia team and it would allow me to help her. As far as I know Diana has never been mafia, so if ATPG were the ancient vamp, this would be a great time to both give her the opportunity and help her if she is in need of it. So his never accusing her may not mean she's not guilty, it may simply mean he doesn't wish to accuse his mafia teammate.

IIIRC she was mafia in the first Innishmore game, but I do follow what you are saying. I'm not sure I agree though, it really depends on the person, some would choose people they don't really know all that well, some would choose people who are considered very good and some would choose their friends. In the end, its not always obvious who would choose who.

EDIT: Also, only one kill? Successful protection or atheotes = mafia? Would be good to know I think.

[Renata]

But Pizza is dead. Are you seriously suggesting a Kagemusha-in-shadow-fort situation here?

[TinCow]

Vote: Kagemusha

Same reason I gave earlier.

[Diamondeye]

Diana, have you recieved word as to whether your protection was the cause of the single kill, or can we assume that we caught a mafia in Atheotes?

Methos, are you really that distracted from the game? Or are you just looking to paint targets on those with authority? I think you could use some pressure, you've been rather quiet. vote: Methos

[Askthepizzaguy]

EDIT: Also, only one kill? Successful protection or atheotes = mafia? Would be good to know I think.

Option 3: Inactive player. Splitpersonality. Legitimately inactive only lately. Otherwise was active just not posting.

Option 4: WIFOM to throw us off the scent. We're focusing on it.

[Diana Abnoba]

Pizza is dead! Not mafia, since he died like round 2 or 3! BTW I would not pick him now as my partner, because he is always up for the lynch (makes me too nervous)...and we are always put together. I have died, in games, to get to him, when we were town, from the mafia. In capo, I was killed so I could not help, in the network we created and protect him during the nights...I'm getting sick of it-always dying by the 1/2 way mark. So I think he tried to help protect me this time so I can finally make it through a game alive. He would not pick me now, because of the same reasons, and would pick better mafia players than myself (he likes to win you know- esp. as mafia).


Edit: God I hate being such a slow typist (by the time I finish typing my post like 5 more post pop up) dang it!

[Renata]

(about split) If I'm counting right he should be wogged by the end of the day, or tomorrow at the latest. We can probably afford to wait that one out.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I'm counting right he should be wogged by the end of the day, or tomorrow at the latest. We can probably afford to wait that one out.

I agree. It's a shame too, we need every vote.

[Renata]

Yeah, I know you think he's a townie.

[Diamondeye]

Yeah, I know you think he's a townie.

I think there's no reason to vote for split unless he shows up to avoid the WOG. Innocent or not, the WOG will handle him. We should focus on others.

[Diana Abnoba]

Just got results from last night. The person I had protected, was not attacked last night, nor did I use a Vig kill last night. So it looks like we finally got 1, Atheotes was mafia!! So now think who could be on a team with him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just got results from last night. The person I had protected, was not attacked last night, nor did I use a Vig kill last night. So it looks like we finally got 1, Atheotes was mafia!! So now think who could be on a team with him.

Precisely my point: if they dropped their kills by 1, we could waste an entire round chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause. And every lynch counts a lot at this late stage. Sacrifice 1 kill to waste one of our few remaining lynches. Is a brilliant plan.

Not saying it's likely, just a real possibility.

[Renata]

Edit (@ Diana) Okay.

@ Pizza: This whole thing needs some thought. I did suggest that finding out Atheotes was mafia should direct us to one (or heck, maybe two) of several players (those in the two-vote category a couple days back). That makes the WIFOM idea worth considering, because that list is long enough that *if* all of them are townies, pursuing that lead could sink us. However, it should also be considered that in order to make that work, the mafia would have to voluntarily give up a kill every night from now to the end of the game. At a minimum (if Atheotes is not mafia and they decide after today the whole thing is pointless and go back to two tonight), they have given up a kill. That is not a trivial thing for mafia to do, and it would likely have to come with some serious gain attached to be worth it.

We need to determine who might stand to gain, and by how much, to figure out how seriously to take the idea of WIFOM last night.

[TinCow]

Just got results from last night. The person I had protected, was not attacked last night, nor did I use a Vig kill last night. So it looks like we finally got 1, Atheotes was mafia!! So now think who could be on a team with him.

While that is the most likely scenario, don't lock yourself into that reasoning too heavily. It could also be an intentional kill drop or a failure to submit night orders. If you've got a case against someone and an atheotes-connection works on top of that, that's great... but it's tunnel vision to focus exclusively on partners for atheotes for voting purposes. The longer we go without 2 night kills, the more likely atheotes was mafia and the stronger those connections become... but for now there's a good deal of WIFOM in it, so it should only be used as supporting evidence.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

heh, "only as supporting evidence", compared to what...

[Askthepizzaguy]

:laugh4: beat you to it, Tincow! :grin:

[TinCow]

heh, "only as supporting evidence", compared to what...

A case based primarily on in-thread behavior, with a connection to atheotes thrown in as a minor aspect. As opposed to looking primarily for partners for atheotes and then trying to find scummy thread behavior for them.

If I'm thinking too much like a lawyer, my apologies. I've been reviewing Westlaw cases all day about proper methods of weighing evidence. It bleeds over.

[Renata]

Here's the list, for reference:

Beskar: 2 (Captain Blackadder, The Stranger)
The Stranger: 2 (Beskar, Choxorn)
Romanic: 2 (White_Eyes:D, Beefy187)
Beefy187: 2 (Jolt, pevergreen)
Kagemusha: 2

Romanic is already dead, so that leaves four. Kagemusha has been under some pressure, and could easily serve as a sacrificial mislynch; so could Beefy or Beskar for that matter. Heck, I'm sure there's some people who'd be pleased as punch to vote Beskar. The WIFOM idea *is* plausible.

Of that bunch I'd be most likely to vote for Kagemusha, but I'm not ready to do it yet.

[Askthepizzaguy]

However, it should also be considered that in order to make that work, the mafia would have to voluntarily give up a kill every night from now to the end of the game.

Why?

They could easily drop the ruse tonight. Messing up one of our few remaining lynches with a near-100% success rate is worth a temporary drop in kills. Deed accomplished, they resume killing at full power, and we become panicky and confused.

[Renata]

Of course there's one more variant that hasn't been raised: Atheotes was mafia, but his vote on white_eyes meant nothing as regards the people at two votes; he was just looking for an excuse to vote for someone and white_eyes fit the bill.

[TheFlax]

Vote: Kagemusha, for now and regardless of the White_Eyes vote.

[Renata]

Why?

They could easily drop the ruse tonight. Messing up one of our few remaining lynches with a near-100% success rate is worth a temporary drop in kills. Deed accomplished, they resume killing at full power, and we become panicky and confused.

Is it? I'd think that would be the case only in the event that they were seriously concerned one of them might be lynched today otherwise. Who, that is not on that list (and is not split) would have been a near certainty to be in lynch trouble? Giving up a kill is no small matter; if we were likely to mislynch anyway, then they did it for no gain. Which would be stupid. I don't think our mafia are stupid.

So who fits the "near-certain to come under pressure today" category, and would they know it?

[Diana Abnoba]

I understand what you (Tin Cow, and Pizza) are saying, but if he is mafia, he was a henchman and had to be picked, this is not random.org picking the mafia in this game.

Also this game is coming to an end soon, with not that many rounds left. I don't think that the mafia would volunteer to loose 1 kill each night from now on, just to fool us into thinking we got a mafia when we didn't. We were not that close to nailing the whole team yet, and we still have our own Vig kills. I would think that they would want to finish us off fast as possible, and win. I'm not a mind reader (and not the best mafia player (esp. townie) here) but this is what I think. Take it or leave it.

[TinCow]

Don't forget the equally plausible possibility that one of them just failed to get their orders in. That is, unfortunately, not an uncommon scenario here at the Org.

[Beskar]

So it is that the Mafia is pretending, if so, they keep the kills limited to attempt to fool us, which will give the town (us) more time, anyway, or we got a mafia. There is also the alternative that Diana protected some one, but I am guessing a successful protection will end up in the write-up.

Either way, this night result is win-win.

Vote: Kagemusha :whip:

[Diana Abnoba]

Beskar, see my post before, my protected person wasn't attack. Keep up please, it is bad when I'm doing a better job than you at this.

[Renata]

As Pizza said, it's not necessarily one kill every night from now on; it could be as simple as a missed order (though I sort of doubt it), or a hare-brained plan that they'll think better of by tonight. I do think if the mafia were to do such a thing, then they'd have *something* in mind to gain thereby, and I'm not convinced a guaranteed mislynch is it. As I just said, was there *anyone* (save Kagemusha, who is on the list anyway) who was dead certain to be under heavy pressure today?

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's not so hare-brained. It's been done before and it is usually effective.

SHHH!!! I'm trying to get them to kill less! :whip:

:laugh4:

[Diana Abnoba]

Then help us find another mafia Pizza, then they will kill less. :laugh4:

[Beskar]

Ok, a tip, remember to refresh your browser for new posts, before you post. When I replied, I only had Diana's and Scienters reply, when I posted, a whole page appeared. O_O

[Askthepizzaguy]

Then help us find another mafia Pizza, then they will kill less. :laugh4:

I'd prefer to leave my opinion ambiguous and let people weigh in without my interference.

It's easy for mafia to hide inside a pizza-inspired bandwagon that is without any merit. I have already mentioned to a few people who I think are nasty nasties, but I want to see their posts before I start accusing them. And if they don't post, well, that makes it even easier to accuse them because they are dead weight.


I want 2-3 names from everyone as a response to this question: WHO DO YOU THINK IS GUILTY?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Looking in thread is perhaps not as good as asking "who would pick atheotes". The answer to that is Beskar.

[The Stranger]

so... we got a mafia?


vote:beskar

[Beskar]

Looking in thread is perhaps not as good as asking "who would pick atheotes". The answer to that is Beskar.

Interesting idea, I fully understand what you mean. But you underestimated me.

I would have picked you and Pizza for the hilariaty of it. You remember the reaction from johnhughthom "39 yawns" ? That is what I would have counted on.

[Askthepizzaguy]

so... we got a mafia?


vote:beskar

Who are your top 3 suspects, TS?

[Diana Abnoba]

Yes, I agree. Everyone please post (or you can PM me) with your top 3 suspects.

[atheotes]

I am glad the town is looking into all possibilities and not confining the drop in kills = i was mafia. After seeing the write up i thought i will have to struggle to get the idea through but i underestimated the players here.

It is a bold move by the mafia. Curious to see how they move forward.

i understand i dont have much credibility right now...but...

I see it as good for the town that there was only one kill. Either they have to keep up the ruse or the lost kill becomes a waste.
The people who will stand to gain the most from this WIFOM will need to be pressured.
the 2 times i played as mafia with Beskar - Netherworld and Shakespearean mafia - he voted for me just to keep us his behavior and more importantly as a distancing tactic. Please get Beskar to talk more - there is nothing to lose by applying pressure.
Same goes for Kage, whose activity has dropped since he came under suspicion.

I am not sure if i am throwing additional WIFOM at the town, but that is not my intention.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Kage's activity drop is no big deal. I can see a townie not wanting to keep up with the thread + those long stylized posts. His dropping out is not suspicious.

ps: beskar is equally likely to go for the only 1 kill based on "atheotes is always guilty".

[Beefy187]

ATPG+ Renata (Maybe Diana or Flax...Or Beskar even)
Tincow+ Scienter (Beskar?)

Beskar could fit anywhere.

[atheotes]

Kage's activity drop is no big deal. I can see a townie not wanting to keep up with the thread + those long stylized posts. His dropping out is not suspicious.

ps: beskar is equally likely to go for the only 1 kill based on "atheotes is always guilty".

Kage dropped out when people questioned him why he was not accusing anyone (not hunting for mafia)...thats y i think it is suspicious

[TheFlax]

ATPG+ Renata (Maybe Diana or Flax...Or Beskar even)
Tincow+ Scienter (Beskar?)

Beskar could fit anywhere.

Your suspecting someone who has been dead for roughly 6 rounds? Beefy dear, what's up with that? Also, what's your obsession with Beskar in this game? Every other round you either vote for him or push for his death.

[atheotes]

Beefy - i am not considering ATPG to be mafia because the possiblity for that is: He has to be the Ancient One - in which case, the secret role in the game is that of the Ancient coming back to life after getting lynched. I dont know if anyone can understand what i just said :sweatdrop:

what i am trying to say is: the game is set up such that the Ancient one has to be dead before he/she can truly come back to live forever. And that is the special role in the game.

That is far fetched by any standards. hence i am willing to believe ATPG is town.

[Renata]

Do tell us who you think is guilty, then, atheotes. May as well multiply the WIFOM a bit more, since we're already swimming in it.

You say you were concerned when you saw the write-up. Not, when Diana denied a successful protection.

I'm not sure if I should be questioning a dead person like this, but really: :brood:

[atheotes]

Do tell us who you think is guilty, then, atheotes. May as well multiply the WIFOM a bit more, since we're already swimming in it.

You say you were concerned when you saw the write-up. Not, when Diana denied a successful protection.

I'm not sure if I should be questioning a dead person like this, but really: :brood:

Did we not discuss the possibility of the mafia intentionally dropping a kill? As soon as i read the write up thats what came to my mind along with the fact that i will not have any credibility. the possibility of a successful protection came only as an after thought and it was quashed very soon because Diana had already posted that info when i was reading the writeup.

[Renata]

I don't remember if it was discussed or not. Edit: I personally didn't really think they would do it, and still have some trouble with the idea. I don't see the long-term gain.

[TinCow]

My top suspects: Kagemusha, Scienter, and Renata. Kage for the reasons already discussed. Scienter because she has been exceptionally silent about this game at home (though that could be because I killed her last time we played together based on things she said at home). Renata because I can see her being a likely choice as a minion for many people.

[Scienter]

:furious3: Forum ate my post! Ok, second try.

My first suspect is Kagemusha. I still think he could have been using funny posts to distract us from his true intent. Second up is TinCow, whose posts are usually more substantive than what we've seen so far.

I'd like to note that in pevergreen's game, TinCow had me killed immediately after I asked him a question about PM-ing, and I decided not to talk to him about games we are both playing, regardless of whether I have a role. I also think he knew this, so it seems random that he would bring it up. Why would he assume that I would confide in him or talk to him about the game, knowing that he he had me killed in the last one we played together? More likely that he's mafia and thinks I'm a townie and he's trying to get me killed so the vamps don't have to waste a kill on me tonight.

I don't have a third suspect, but the reasoning against Beskar, above, at least sounds plausibe.

Vote: Kagemusha, for now.

[TinCow]

I'd like to note that in pevergreen's game, TinCow had me killed immediately after I asked him a question about PM-ing, and I decided not to talk to him about games we are both playing, regardless of whether I have a role. I also think he knew this, so it seems random that he would bring it up. Why would he assume that I would confide in him or talk to him about the game, knowing that he he had me killed in the last one we played together? More likely that he's mafia and thinks I'm a townie and he's trying to get me killed so the vamps don't have to waste a kill on me tonight.

Your reaction just seems a bit more extreme than I would have expected. You went from regular discussion to absolute silence. This little back and forth between you and me is literally the only discussion we've had about the game... which is kind of hillarious since we're sitting in the same room on separate computers right now while we're posting these... but we're still not talking about it. It just seems 'off'. You've stated before that you feel useless as a townie because you can't do anything at night and you don't think you're good at thread analysis. If you're just a townie, why the mime act? You've got nothing to hide and not much to lose anyway, and if you think I'm scum, why aren't you trying to get something out of me. It just doesn't seem consistent with how you've acted before as a townie. Like I said, I understand some blowback from me murdering you, but this seems like more than that.

[Beefy187]

Your suspecting someone who has been dead for roughly 6 rounds? Beefy dear, what's up with that? Also, what's your obsession with Beskar in this game? Every other round you either vote for him or push for his death.

Then again, I forgot that each henchmen get a kill... So if one of them dies, kills drops to one?

Ok then maybe not ATPG, unless atheotes theory is correct.

I still suspect Renata though.

[Scienter]

If you're just a townie, why the mime act?

Huh? :inquisitive:


You've got nothing to hide and not much to lose anyway, and if you think I'm scum, why aren't you trying to get something out of me. It just doesn't seem consistent with how you've acted before as a townie. Like I said, I understand some blowback from me murdering you, but this seems like more than that.

I'm trying to participate more. Andres hasn't been happy with the level of discussion in the last few turns and I'm trying to be proactive. Like I said, right now Kagemusha seems more suspect than you. But, you've posted several times that you aren't paying attention much in this game because of work and all the effort you put into the Sith one. That sounds like BS to me, as if you were trying to come up with a legitimate-sounding reason to post less, that's all.

[Niklas]

Avenge me - kill TinCow! :brood:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

TinCow and Beskar both need to go.

[TinCow]

But, you've posted several times that you aren't paying attention much in this game because of work and all the effort you put into the Sith one. That sounds like BS to me, as if you were trying to come up with a legitimate-sounding reason to post less, that's all.

Please think back to last Thursday afternoon and consider my mood based on work stuff from then until yesterday. I was seriously stressed and did not have the time or patience to put much thought into much of anything, you know that. You also know that that stress started to dissipate yesterday, and as such I've tried to get back into the game a bit more since then. I'm disappointed that you would call all of that "BS."

[Choxorn]

TinCow, Beefy, and Beskar are my current top suspects.

[Renata]

vote: TinCow

He's been my top suspect for most of the game. I was hoping that backing off for a few days might give the mafia incentive to remove someone as dangerous as him (if they could), but they haven't done so, and there seems little reason to hold back anymore.

Kagemusha is second.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I like Scienter as a suspect more than Tincow.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I like beskar.

as a suspect

[Askthepizzaguy]

No, you like Beskar, and the reasons why are suspect. :eyebrows:

[Kagemusha]

What is this bandwagon against me? Yours truly has been working ten hour night shifts this week, so my days have been spent sleeping, while nights working. I havent had energy to pretty much post at all in the Org for days. Also FOS Beskar how did i dropped off out from sight when i garnered suspicion? People have been accusing me from the start, just because i decided to have some fun and also contribute some. Those people who are saying i could be using "Saharan news" as camouflage i have question to ponder about. Why would i start drawing intentionally attention towards myself right from the beginning, so everybody could concetrate on me and become suspicious? So i could get lynched just be sure im not playing any kind of wifom? Spledid strategy i would say. I think the paranoia started from ATPG is spreading to others as well. I will vote: Beskar as it would seem he took agressive tone towards me right after Secura and YLC who had voted me in previous round died the next night after.

If you are trying to frame me. You picked the wrong guy to do so.

[Beskar]

I think GeneralHankerchief might have to open up a gameroom marriage counsellor position, soon enough.

[Kagemusha]

Sorry voted on edited post. I mixed up Beefy with Beskar. So to make sure my vote stands. Vote: Beskar

[Choxorn]

Well, I'm probably not going to be online again until the update, so I'll have to vote now... uh... Vote: Beskar

[Diana Abnoba]

Thanks all for the input and list of top 3.

I can't really get my list down past 6. I keep swaying back and forth on the following players:
(These players are all not playing up to their usual standard)

1. Beskar- being completely lost most of this game and "role playing"- much better player than this.

2. Tin Cow- he is a very good player, and we have not seen to much from him at all-even before this last week with work problems- not his usual at all.
(and he is kinda like Sasaki, you always suspect him to be mafia)

3. Methos- low post count, no real participation...he is better than this also.

4. Jolt- usually you can't get this guy to shut up, almost as bad as Pizza. And you have a lower post count than me- something is off there. (though he hasn't been as active lately in other games either) but just can't loose the scum scent from him.

5. Kukrikhan- more of a vet at this and the org. would be just about anyone's pick for henchmen, and low post counts from him as well. Just seems scummy to me.

6. Scienter- a lurker (but she is newer at this), but wouldn't just about anyone pick her as well, the perfect cover person, staying under the radar. May have even been picked as the Ancient.


Well those are some names, I think need some more pressure. What do you guys think. Get them talking! I want everyone voting this phase! Andres and I were disappointed last phase. No missed votes or abstains at this stage of the game. Coming down to the wire.

[pevergreen]

5. Kukrikhan- more of a vet at this and the org. would be just about anyone's pick for henchmen, and low post counts from him as well. Just seems scummy to me.

KK has been around a long time, but only recently has he started to play in mafia constantly.

[Diana Abnoba]

Oh, okay sorry for the mistake.

[Romanic]

I still like Split as mafia. Why? Because it fits right in some scenarios.

Scenario 1: He was away and couldn't send his orders in time. That's why we had only one kill.

Scenario 2: Lots of pressure on him last turn but he was saved by the atheotes bandwagon. Mafia is killing one to make it look like atheotes was mafia and remove the pressure on split.

I understand that we cannot vote Split yet, because he is coming into WOG range, but somehow I have a feeling he will show up to evade it again. However I do have an alternative for you.

TheFlax.

He was 4th on the atheotes wagon last round, and may have been trying to save Split. Plus he made suspicious posts during the bandwagon:

Post 1080, after I asked why Methos was not voting:

You're picking on that post but not Scienter's post above with not vote and only a FOS? Why?

Explain this reaction to me. TheFlax tried, but I still don't get it. Why would he ask me this? I am a dead townie. Is he annoyed by me picking on Split?

Sasaki has been writing these one liners the whole game and TheFlax never said anything. Why me? Why this time?

Post 1086, after Sasaki asked him why he posted the above ^ (1080) post.

I'm not questioning his motive, I just wanted to know why he thought Methos' post was scummier than Scienter's. Its not because Romanic is dead that he's suddenly infallible.

Again he wrote: "Its not because Romanic is dead that he's suddenly infallible.". Now he really looks annoyed by me. He's attacking my credibility, for no reason! Why would he do that? That's a mafia slip right there.

Another gem, Post 759, after I talked about split making a list from my post count spreadsheet:


(...)
Except that Split has been less present that most people on his list, granted he seems to be more active now and that's good.
(...)


He was protecting Split.

On Day4, TheFlax is the only one voting for Split. Post 716:

The bandwagon on Seon sure picked up quickly...

Since I don't think The Stranger is guilty, merely annoying, I'll Vote: Splitpersonality. Get your head in the game. :wink:

When Flax makes this vote, two bandwagons are already running Seon/The Stranger, both with around 7 votes already. Great timing to place a vote on your partner, don't you think?

There's other stuff like him talking a lot with Renata, sharing suspicions and possibly probing at her for information.

@Diana: I am curious, is TheFlax talking with you now that you are Naib?

My advice: TheFlax is mafia, lynch him now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What is this bandwagon against me?

I don't know, Kage, what is it? You've been in lots of mafia games, having a wagon on you shouldn't be much of a surprise. Why are you not allowed to be suspected?


Yours truly has been working ten hour night shifts this week, so my days have been spent sleeping, while nights working. I havent had energy to pretty much post at all in the Org for days.

Ah! Good. So, by the fact that you have been busy lately, we know you couldn't possibly be mafia. That makes total sense. Our mistake.


Also FOS Beskar how did i dropped off out from sight when i garnered suspicion? People have been accusing me from the start, just because i decided to have some fun and also contribute some. Those people who are saying i could be using "Saharan news" as camouflage i have question to ponder about.

:beam:


Why would i start drawing intentionally attention towards myself right from the beginning, so everybody could concetrate on me and become suspicious?

Indeed, wine would you do that in front of us?


So i could get lynched just be sure im not playing any kind of wifom? Spledid strategy i would say.

Well gee, Kage, it has done a fine job of keeping you alive until now. Most people are dead, and yet you live.

SPLENDID STRATEGY I WOULD SAY. :brood:


I think the paranoia started from ATPG is spreading to others as well.

Paranoia? In a mafia game? My word, how unfair.


I will vote: Beskar as it would seem he took agressive tone towards me right after Secura and YLC who had voted me in previous round died the next night after.

*gasp*

*shock*


If you are trying to frame me. You picked the wrong guy to do so.

You're the first person I can recall claiming that you were framed.... or that you were guilty based on such Secura/YLC reasoning. So, by the scientific property of

He/WhoSmeltIt = DealtIt

the smell of bull feces is eminating from YOUR direction, Kage, not Beskar's.

[Kagemusha]

I don't know, Kage, what is it? You've been in lots of mafia games, having a wagon on you shouldn't be much of a surprise. Why are you not allowed to be suspected?



Ah! Good. So, by the fact that you have been busy lately, we know you couldn't possibly be mafia. That makes total sense. Our mistake.



:beam:



Indeed, wine would you do that in front of us?



Well gee, Kage, it has done a fine job of keeping you alive until now. Most people are dead, and yet you live.

SPLENDID STRATEGY I WOULD SAY. :brood:



Paranoia? In a mafia game? My word, how unfair.



*gasp*

*shock*



You're the first person I can recall claiming that you were framed.... or that you were guilty based on such Secura/YLC reasoning. So, by the scientific property of

He/WhoSmeltIt = DealtIt

the smell of bull feces is eminating from YOUR direction, Kage, not Beskar's.

Well im flattered about your continuos attention, but if your case against me is that it is possible that im mafia , then yes that is your case, minor problem is that the same case can be put against any player. Maybe i should be lynched in each game at the first round just to be sure i am not mafia? Also maybe you ought to ponder can i be mafia in every game i play?Your last statement continues the same brilliant logic. If someone points out something you havent pointed out there must be something wrong with that. If it wouldnt have felt strange that people who vote for me start to die, then our perceptions differ quite a lot. If you decide to get yourself lynched by your own initial, that doesnt make your observations any more logical, nor correct.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well im flattered about your continuos attention, but if your case against me is that it is possible that im mafia , then yes that is your case, minor problem is that the same case can be put against any player.

Ah good, so you admit you are quite possibly scum. So what's all this?


Maybe i should be lynched in each game at the first round just to be sure i am not mafia?

Who has been arguing that? No one.


Also maybe you ought to ponder can i be mafia in every game i play?

Why should I ponder such things? Why so indignant about being a suspect, Kagemusha? Did you get a special role? :cry:


Your last statement continues the same brilliant logic. If someone points out something you havent pointed out there must be something wrong with that.

You're inventing fictional reasons why people are accusing you, and arguing against those. This is called a straw man.

Yeah, there's something wrong with that.


If it wouldnt have felt strange that people who vote for me start to die, then our perceptions differ quite a lot.

Self-conscious, are we?


If you decide to get yourself lynched by your own initial, that doesnt make your observations any more logical, nor correct.

Ah, let's top it off with a red herring! Why do I even enter into your defense? How do my actions make you more or less guilty? Since they don't, why are you talking about it?

You're way too defensive Kage. You're acting way too surprised that you'd be suspected in a game of recruitment with your abilities and experience, as if it is somehow offensive an idea. Maybe I'm wrong, and odds are I am. But it's not a radical idea that you could be guilty, and you're acting like it is. You're almost taking it like a personal insult, which is also absurd. Seriously though, you've contributed a lot of funny and entertaining posts, but that makes you no more guilty or innocent than anyone else. Then when you get accused, you act like a wounded puppy. But contributing humor is also a form of defense, like flattery or pity. And an effective defense, too.

You could be guilty, and in a mafia game that is reason enough to lynch you. Process of elimination; you die, and we move on to someone else if we are wrong. Take the bitter medicine and swallow it!