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a completely inoffensive name
06-25-2010, 04:04
*SPOILER ALERT!* I'm one of the guys who suggested to kill them both.
Oh come on.... don't dump that big strawman on me mister.
I never asked about any role pm. Again Jolt and ArpeggiateThis can confirm. I simply asked if you had other things to do than staying in our group. Which you first insinuated that you had and then reprimanded me for CC'ing to Jolt and ArpeggiateTHIS. Then you claimed you had RL commitments and hadn't the time to spend playing. Then you claimed you had other commitments in the game.
My gut said you had a role based on those PMs and the *watching* post, but I am not into the killing business.
Why did you reveal in the first place?
sorry, you twitch my guts :laugh4:
I never revealed directly, but i was hoping to catch certain eyes
luv ya rly siggy ;)
A Very Super Market
06-25-2010, 05:33
Should I succumb to petty instinct, or fall to peer pressure? Alas!
Vote: Niklas
wideyedwanderer
06-25-2010, 06:12
Because I might not get another chance to vote before the deadline ends (have to work all day tomorrow) I'm gonna go ahead and vote: Niklas.
a completely inoffensive name
06-25-2010, 08:41
Should I succumb to petty instinct, or fall to peer pressure? Alas!
Vote: Niklas
You didn't answer my question. You KMT or Japanese scum!
Cute Wolf
06-25-2010, 12:40
vote : johnhughthom
Ok, I'll explain a better explaination, someone who had special role could be Mad Demolition expert, and as such, expert in all explosive things... did you have a beard too?
Captain Blackadder
06-25-2010, 12:52
Vote: Niklas
I suspect that some of the people who are against the communist revolution are being very quite. Also what to everyone what is the town, pro-town or townie of which you speak of we are all communists are we not trying to find the counter revoluntionaries?
Seamus Fermanagh
06-25-2010, 12:58
Vote: Niklas
I too think there is something "hinky" in this and would follow the suggestions made before in this thread. In adddition, the conflict between jht/pinman is, for me, unresolved. It is obviously worthy of examination.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-25-2010, 13:15
Someone doesn't like my work obviously. For the love of all things holy lynch:
ArpeggiateTHIS
Niklas
Then grill a few semi-lurkers, one of them is the hairy guy and the remaining 1-2 Japs.
Infact. 100% lynch Niklas. There's a reason they killed me with a sword. Someone wanted to bring me over to the Jap team, but couldn't. So they thought they'd off me instead.
I honestly do not understand what I have done that can be seen as anti-communist. Could you elaborate on why you hate me so?
Either way, here's the obvious bandwagonning that I promised last round: Vote: Niklas
Why Niklas? Is it another gut feeling? or is there any substance behind it. Investigation maybe?
You didn't answer my question. You KMT or Japanese scum!
Do you have an investigation to follow up your accusation?
Death is yonder
06-25-2010, 14:33
The only case I'm seeing on Niklas is that Psychonaut seems dead certain that it is him. I'm assuming that this sudden following is due to "dead man's instinct" rather than "confirmed rightist".
Infact. 100% lynch Niklas. There's a reason they killed me with a sword. Someone wanted to bring me over to the Jap team, but couldn't. So they thought they'd off me instead.
And how did you know they attempted to recruit you? :inquisitive:
JHT's story is also fairly plausible, it may be true. I don't think that Pinman/jht should be the contenders for the lynch.
Instead, I'd rather look at people hopping on the jht wagon as an easy lynch, citing the relatively vague bomb connection as an explicit evidence that he is the bearded fellow.
vote : johnhughthom
Ok, I'll explain a better explaination, someone who had special role could be Mad Demolition expert, and as such, expert in all explosive things... did you have a beard too?
Vote: Cute Wolf
I thought we've been through this already that the similarities in the arsenal (a very broad similarity at that!) are unlikely to be suggestive of his guilt?
Captain Blackadder
06-25-2010, 15:01
And how did you know they attempted to recruit you?
Well in some games like Shadow Fort any recruitment came as a letter in a night phase which you could say yes or no to.
The fact that winston hughes' killer was looking for revenge and the fact that John thought his attacker was seeking revenge makes me curious of a possible connection there, and since winston hughes' killer expected him to be bearded is what brings that suspicion around to John being the bearded bomber.
Also, why do we assume that the hairy man was attacking taka? It would seem to me that it's just as likely that beskar was the target and taka was caught in the blast.
landlubber
06-25-2010, 15:31
Vote:Niklas.
Captain Blackadder
06-25-2010, 15:34
Vote:Niklas.
Any reason?
Captain Blackadder
06-25-2010, 15:35
Vote:Niklas.
Any reason?
Vote: Cutewolf
I agree with DIY's reasoning.
johnhughthom
06-25-2010, 17:12
This game is getting interesting, very rare for me to garner so much attention. I would like to point out there is no "conflict" between Pinman and myself, he (mistakenly) thinks I'm rightist. I think he is a good communist who genuinely believes this, to be honest his reasoning is much better than that of those people who keep bringing up this "using petrol bombs = explosives expert" nonsense. Therefore:
Vote: Cute Wolf
Cultured Drizzt fan
06-25-2010, 17:23
I am willing to go with Psycho on this
Vote: Niklas
I would love to know why my protection group is getting targeted every night.
landlubber
06-25-2010, 18:05
Any reason?
For the same reasons outlined by Physconaut.
Do you seriously believe that Cute Wolf is mafia? His reasoning is certainly weak, I'll give you that, but I attribute that more to the fact that he's new (I've never seen him play prior to this game) and there's clearly a language barrier of sorts inhibiting him... or are you overlooking that?
What's the real reason, gents?
Unofficial tally with about 90 minutes to go.
8 Niklas (ArpTHIS, AVSM, Blackadder, CDF, AA, landlubber, Seamus, WEW)
4 Cute Wolf (DiY, JHT, Romanic, Flax)
2 johnhughthom (Cute Wolf, Pinman)
1 YLC (M3YUZ)
***
16 Not voting (everyone else, including Chairman GH)
autolycus
06-25-2010, 19:28
I find it strange that when we're leaning towards kill them both, you people want to kill a third party. Johnhughthom was blocked, and the hairy man didn't strike. It could be coincidence, but I'm going to say it's not.
vote: johnhughthom
Don't really know who to vote for.
Johnhugh is not going to kill us -> plausible. But he should be kept under observation by our officer corps.
Not buying into Niklas being guilty of Psychonaut's murder.
The bandwagon on Cute Wolf is ...
maybe vote: Nictel
who are you?
Voting closed. Commencing write-up
It may be late, as I'm not particularly in the mood for writing, after a certain economics exam today.
PEXDET were still slogging their way through the mountains and cold, and although they had found discussion difficult in the harsh climate, one candidate for the lynch eventually emerged above the others. Niklas said nothing to defend himself, remaining totally mute whilst the accusations flew around him. By the time it was time to set up camp near the top of the pass they were traveling through, it was obvious Niklas was going to be lynched.
The Chairman summoned Niklas in front of him, and said in a booming voice
“Niklas! You are accused of murdering Psychonaut last night. What do you have to say for yourself?”
Niklas said nothing.
“Did you not hear me? Speak up!” said GeneralHankerchief, scowling.
“…”
“Fine, have it your way.”
GeneralHankerchief nodded to Yaseikhaan, who rolled his eyes and lazily shot Niklas. Niklas fell to the icy earth without a sound, and he bled out without making so much as a peep.
“Huh, that was odd. He’s normally so talkative as well.” The Chairman shook his head and addressed the crowd once more
“Now that the remaining thirty of us can continue on our-”
A hand shot up in the audience: “Erm, sorry, but that’s not true. Wishazu and Thermal Mercury are both dead” said M3YUZ
“What? How is that possible? They both started marching with us, correct?”
“Yes, but as they were especially weak due to hunger and muteness, they fell further and further behind. I was the last one to see them both alive…”
“Oh no, that’s terrible! How did they die?”
“Well, I was calling out to Thermal Mercury and Wishazu to hurry up, but eventually they stopped for a rest whilst the rest of you went on ahead. However, when they stopped to rest, hundreds and hundreds of rats erupted from the undergrowth. It was like the Yellow River flood all over again, only this time with rodents”
The Maoists collectively “Eww’d” and the Chairman grimaced
.
“They saw the rats and got up and started to run towards us, but they were just so weak from speaking eating so little. The rats overwhelmed them and dragged them both to the ground. Then, the rats devoured them alive, munching and gnawing the two helpless Communists until there was nothing left but bones. I didn’t want to get eaten either, so I ran on ahead to join with you guys, so…”
GeneralHankerchief’s tongue was stuck out in disgust “What a horrible and humiliating way to die. Oh well, I guess that will teach all of you lot to eat all of your rations, hmm?”
A splattering could be heard from behind a snow drift. Puzzled, ACIN and autolycus went to look for what had caused the disgusting sound.
“Oh! Look what we’ve found!” they both cried in unison, as they both grabbed a man and pulled him up to show to the Socialists. Vomit could be seen smeared around his mouth and little dots were apparent on his Imperial Japanese Army uniform.
https://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5592/prisonerchinese.jpg
“A spy!” cried the jubilant Communists.
“Lynch him!”
“Torture him!”
“Eat his heart, so we may gain his courage!”
These and many other suggestions were yelled out by the angry Maoists. The Chairman had to fire his Mausner into the air to get the jabbering peasants to shut up.
“Shut up, you jabbering peasants! We need to discuss sensibly what to do with this trembling Imperialist. He may be of more use to us alive than dead, or cooked.”
The Communists grudgingly agreed.
“Oh, and I have something else to announce. It turns out that both Sasaki Kojiro and Winston Hughes were both loyal Comrades, neither susceptible to the treachery of the Imperialist Monster.”
It is now the night phase. There is an Incident taking place, namely, what to do with the Japanese Prisoner, so make your suggestions now.
8 Niklas (ArpTHIS, AVSM, Blackadder, CDF, AA, landlubber, Seamus, WEW)
4 Cute Wolf (DiY, JHT, Romanic, Flax)
3 johnhughthom (Cute Wolf, Pinman, autolycus)
1 YLC (M3YUZ)
1 Nictel (Sigurd)
***
14 Not voting (everyone else, including Chairman GH) (Could someone count who these were please?)
Alive players: 31/40
ACIN
ArpeggiateTHIS
autolycus
AVSM
Captain Blackadder
Cultured Drizzt fan
Cute Wolf
Death is yonder
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
johnhughthom
Jolt
Joooray
landlubber
M3YUZ
miotas
Nictel
Niklas
Pinman
Renata
Romanic
Seamus Fermanagh
Secura
Sigurd
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
TheFlax
Thermal Mercury
wideyedwanderer
Wishazu
Yaseikhaan
YLC
Lynched players 4/40
Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Killed Players 6/40
Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
Devoured by Rats - 2
Thermal Mercury
Wishazu
I am looking for replacements for the above two players. Contact me if you are interested, or know someone who is.
Sorry for it being so late. As I mentioned earlier, I'm not exactly in the best of moods for lots of writing, and this write-up took longer than expected. It shall end in 23 hours at 21:00 GMT+1
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-25-2010, 22:13
Make him tell us the names of his friends.
Then let's have us a Red Barbecue.
landlubber
06-25-2010, 22:27
Make him tell us the names of his friends, and then kill him.
Cute Wolf
06-25-2010, 22:33
made him tell us the names of his friends, and forced (let) him to suicide - Japs regards hara kiri as better option than merely killed, perhaps that will be better for him.
GeneralHankerchief
06-25-2010, 22:39
Comrades, we need to take the good cop/bad cop approach with this prisoner.
Propose: Make him tell the identity of this friends, with refusal resulting in castration and/or Chinese water torture. Allow him to commit seppuku upon satisfactory answers.
Double A
06-25-2010, 22:44
Agree: GH
That's freaking AWESOME GH, no wonder we voted you in!
Japs regards hara kiri as better option than merely killed, perhaps that will be better for him.
Why allow him the spy to die in a manner of his own choosing that grants him the greatest honour as a combatant to his people? The Japanese would not extend such a courtesy to us, they would brutally slaughter us where we stand without a second thought for our honour; in a time of war, we must adopt that approach ourselves or perish.
I doubt you'll get much from our prisoner now, but over time, with prolonged torture and with a lack of water, we might find him more receptive... failing that, simply kill him outright.
Cute Wolf
06-25-2010, 22:54
Why allow him the spy to die in a manner of his own choosing that grants him the greatest honour as a combatant to his people? The Japanese would not extend such a courtesy to us, they would brutally slaughter us where we stand without a second thought for our honour; in a time of war, we must adopt that approach ourselves or perish.
I doubt you'll get much from our prisoner now, but over time, with prolonged torture and with a lack of water, we might find him more receptive... failing that, simply kill him outright.
that was his repayment to be cooperative with us, if he was cooperative, we'll permit him to do the seppuku, so he will have additional reasons to cooperate with us (as that will save his honour, remember, we chinese also honour another people's tradition, even the barbaric one)
agreed : GH
He lost his honour the moment he was caught; I see no reason to afford him a courtesy he would not return were the boot upon the other foot.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-25-2010, 23:10
Agree: GH
You refined my answer perfectly.
I'm really sorry I missed another two phases or so. It has just been a very busy time recently.
Hope I'll be able to do better in the future.
Also, Agree: GH.
Comrades, we need to take the good cop/bad cop approach with this prisoner.
Propose: Make him tell the identity of this friends, with refusal resulting in castration and/or Chinese water torture. Allow him to commit seppuku upon satisfactory answers.
"Upon satisfactory answers". Considering that investigations of corpses take three full days, he could be giving us false names for a while before we ca judge how satisfactory his answers are. We could lose three days lynching our own, while our enemies keep attacking us at night. The reality is that we have no certainty about the information we will be given, and seeing how honor is important to Japanese, I doubt he will betray his brothers.
We could still try to extirpate information and make an intelligent decision, taking in account the possibility that he could have lied to us, but it would likely be a distraction more than anything.
propose: Cut his head.
Captain Blackadder
06-26-2010, 01:25
Agree GH
Death is yonder
06-26-2010, 01:58
Agree: GH
While this does not account for false answers under the duress of torture, I believe that any information, good or bad, is still information to be processed.
We could still try to extirpate information and make an intelligent decision, taking in account the possibility that he could have lied to us, but it would likely be a distraction more than anything.
Comrade Romanic is indeed right, yet hopefully the final clause in our Chairman's proposal should be an encouragement to this unworthy Imperialist to tell the truth.
Do you seriously believe that Cute Wolf is mafia? His reasoning is certainly weak, I'll give you that, but I attribute that more to the fact that he's new
Being a new player doesn't absolve you from possible guilt, you still have to look at them sometimes :tongue:. My stand is just that I didn't follow Psycho's "100% dead man's instincts" and instead went with my next best suspect. Then again we'll find out Psycho's credibility in reference to what to do with his other suspect in 3 rounds.
Niklas got lynched because of dead man's instinct and basically nothing else? I guess I've seen worse lynches, but yuck.
For fun:
Propose: Show the spy the glories of our noble Communist philosophy, feed him well, and offer him a dacha in one of the more scenic areas of our ally Russia's homeland. And give him a case of Russian vodka. Then watch the intelligence come pouring in.
a completely inoffensive name
06-26-2010, 02:20
Do you have an investigation to follow up your accusation?
I was joking bro. I do that with my Tavern buddies.
Cute Wolf
06-26-2010, 03:14
yeah, a bit of glorious and noble Hara Kiri will be the reward if the spy gave us good and correct answers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GbcKvaEz8Y&feature=fvw
From Night 4 writeup:
“Oh, and I have more news. I have searched Azathoth’s belongings thoroughly, and it turns out that he was a loyal Communist who wasn’t even susceptible to any Imperialist propaganda. So I guess that's something to celebrate...”From Day 5 writeup:
It turns out that both Sasaki Kojiro and Winston Hughes were both loyal Comrades, neither susceptible to the treachery of the Imperialist Monster. Both writeups mentions that we are susceptible to Imperialist propaganda. Who are the Imperialists?
IJA = Imperial Japanese Army.
KMT = Kuomintang (Chinese Nationalists).
I thought it would make sense to be converted to Nationalists, but not to Japanese. These writeups seems to indicate the opposite, and Psychonaut confirmed a failed conversion attempt by the Japanese (Post #498).
Also the writeup from Night 2 shows a successful conversion made by a KMT officer. (that's Post #309)
***
Can anyone shed some light on this? Are we being converted by both sides?
@Psychonaut: Are you sure it was a failed conversion attempt by the Japanese?
GeneralHankerchief
06-26-2010, 03:47
I'll start sending out night orders in a few hours. Right now I'm working on a little project.
Double A
06-26-2010, 05:41
"Upon satisfactory answers". Considering that investigations of corpses take three full days, he could be giving us false names for a while before we ca judge how satisfactory his answers are. We could lose three days lynching our own, while our enemies keep attacking us at night. The reality is that we have no certainty about the information we will be given, and seeing how honor is important to Japanese, I doubt he will betray his brothers.
We could still try to extirpate information and make an intelligent decision, taking in account the possibility that he could have lied to us, but it would likely be a distraction more than anything.
propose: Cut his head.
Simple: he can't die until the 3 days have passed.
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2010, 05:48
I may be replacing into this game. Could anyone please summarize what's happened so far?
I will do my best, but honestly this setup is a bit over my head and the timeline/etc not my forte.
Niklas got lynched because of dead man's instinct and basically nothing else? I guess I've seen worse lynches, but yuck.
Last time I died at the start of a game I picked out 2 of the anti-town roles based purely on posting style and instinct. But, no one followed up on it and by the time they did it was too late.
For fun:
Propose: Show the spy the glories of our noble Communist philosophy, feed him well, and offer him a dacha in one of the more scenic areas of our ally Russia's homeland. And give him a case of Russian vodka. Then watch the intelligence come pouring in.
Historically, Stalin couldn't care less about what happened to the Chinese Communists at this point, as he was worried about annoying Japan, and also because he didn't think the Chinese Communists had a socialist snowball's chance in capitalist Hell, especially after the Long March. But then Stalin was wrong about a lot of things :tongue:
I may be replacing into this game. Could anyone please summarize what's happened so far?
I'll go update the summary thread.
Double A
06-26-2010, 10:52
Historically, Stalin couldn't care less about what happened to the Chinese Communists at this point, as he was worried about annoying Japan, and also because he didn't think the Chinese Communists had a socialist snowball's chance in capitalist Hell, especially after the Long March. But then Stalin was wrong about a lot of things :tongue:
What? Like what communism was?
What? Like what communism was?
Yes, Stalin didn't know what communism was (or purposefully not implement it).
johnhughthom
06-26-2010, 19:53
Agree: GH
The end of the discussion about what to do with the Japanese prionser ended with a clear majority for the Chairman’s own proposal, that they should Make him tell the identity of this friends, with refusal resulting in castration and/or Chinese water torture. Allow him to commit seppuku upon satisfactory answers. Once it was clear that this was the course of action that they would take, the prisoner was brought before GeneralHankerchief.
“Do you speak Chinese, Jap?”
The spy looked up with a scowl on his face “Of course. Do you think we’re stupid enough to send out spies who can’t even speak the language of you barbarians?”
Several of the Chinese reacted angrily to this snarky comment, and a few yelled at the Chairman to permit them alone to kill the Reactionary.
“Heh, the Running Dog has a tongue. Let’s see if he can use it well enough to stay alive.” Remarked GeneralHankechief “You must surely by now know that several of your brethren lie among us. If you tell us who they are, then you’ll die by however method you chose, even seppuku should you wish. Alternatively, we could cut off your balls and tie you up here to bleed out.”
The spy laughed and said “You’re just as uncivilised as our propaganda says you are. But I’ll accept your deal, and tell you the truth.”
The spy paused to hear the collective in take of breath. Was this the end of the terror that was stalking the brave Socialists?
“I don’t know.”
“Impossible!” spat the Chairman, who simultaneously yanked a short dagger out from inside his boot
The spy didn’t even blink: “I don’t know their identities, but I do know the leader’s reputation. He’s Kempeitai top brass, and you don’t get to that kind of position without being good at what you do. I don’t his name, his alias, or his accomplices; they’re all state secrets. The only way you could find out who we was would be by interrogating someone who was even higher rank than him, and their location is of course classified. ”
GeneralHankerchief rolled his eyes “So you have nothing useful whatsoever to tell us? Great. Hey Yaesikhaan, do you think this knife is sharp enough to cut right through his -”
“I do have something useful to tell you all” said the spy. “I know of a weapons depot nearby that contains weapon that will be invaluable on your travels.”
The Officers Corps were surprised and gave each other puzzled glances, before GeneralHankerchief spoke again “Alright then, show us where this depot is tomorrow. If you’re right, you can die however you wish, and if they’ve got tanks and things, we might even let you go. But if you’re lying to us…”
GeneralHankerchief brandished his little knife and wiggled it in an unsettling fashion to emphasise his point.
Interrupting, ACIN and autolycus again called out from the edge of the camp "Chairman! Come quick! We've found someone else!"
GeneralHankerchief hurried over to see that the two Officers had found someone else, who looked dazed and confused.
"Another Japanese spy! Can we eat him?" cried one of the members of the crowd
"Silence, idiot!" yelled the Chairman "He clearly is a Chinese peasant, not a Japanese spy." Bending down to ask the terrified peasant he asked the peasant's name
"My name" said the peasant "is askthepizzaguy". I've been following you since Daozhen, as I wanted to join you travelling band, but I haven't been able to get close enough to ask you until now. Can I join PEXDET?"
The Chairman laughed and agreed, and he helped askthepizzaguy get up and introduced him to the other members of the Detachment.
***
Cultured Drizzt fan was on guard, much like Psychonaut had been the night before, and he was anxious. Would he be the third member of the group to be slain in cold blood by a lone killer? How would they kill him? Guns? Knives? Another bomb? Or something even more fiendish and twisted? CDF’s mind raced through all the different ways he could be killed that night, each crueler than the last. Poisoning. Garroting. The Guillotine. CDF felt light headed and woozy from imaging all the torturous ways he was going to die by that night, and whilst meant to be on patrol, he stepped to the side, stumbled, and fainted, his body crumpling into the heavy snow.
As he collapsed onto the ground, a terrific explosion blasted through the still night, and a bullet whizzed through the air where, moments ago, CDF’s head had had all those ghoulish daydreams. Angry Japanese could be heard, and the Kempeitai Officer jumped up from under a blanket of snow, wrapped in white camouflage. The Officer drew his Katana and lurched through the heavy snow towards the unconscious CDF. Brandishing his sword, he prepared to bring it down like a guillotine onto CDF’S bare neck –
“Hey you! Stop!”
The Jap glared over his shoulder to see a rabble of Communists pointing at him, and attempting to run as fast as they could through the really heavy snow. Seeing that the game was up, the Reactionary immediately sheathed his weapon, and sprinted back along the snow-free path from whence he’d came. By the time the Communists had got to the recovering CDF, the Officer had disappeared into the Conifer Forest, where the snow was mixed and uneven, and tracking impossible.
***
Johnhughthom was on edge. He had not slept for five nights in a row, and it was only by sheer force of will that he managed to remain awake. He had run out of baijiu last night and was down to his last remaining cigarettes. He hugged his rifle, and from his position at the very peak of the mountain, he could see almost everything that happened below, except if those activities were directly behind him.
A searing pain shot through the back of his left shoulder as a bullet smashed into his collar bone, obliterating it, and unseating him. Johnhughthom toppled forwards and hurtled off the peak. He hit the snowy slope with force and rolled down it for about a hundred meters, leaving a bloody trail in the snow down the hill. As the slope leveled out and he began to slow down, he jumped up onto his feet, giving the impression that it had only been a flesh wound, a mere graze. This was not the case. Although johnhughthom gave the impression of being sprightly and ready to face his attacker, the bullet had done severe damage to him. He had not only lost a lot of blood on his tumble down the hill, but his left arm had been permanently disabled, and unless he got medical attention extremely quickly, it was likely that he would bleed out.
Johnhughthom looked up back towards the peak to see a man in a long trench coat sliding skillfully down the hill with a revolver in hand. Johnhughthom looked for his rifle, but it had fallen out of sight, so he had to resort to his long knife to face his attacker.
The attacker came to a graceful stop and looked johnhughthom straight in the eyes. His eyes were filled with a manic glee that bordered on hunger, and when he noticed John's whiskery goatee and moustache, he mouth broke open to reveal a deranged smile. The attacker struggled to hold in his laughter before saying
"After three years of tracing, three years of hunting, three years of murder, I finally have you in my sights once more. Three long years..." The grin became wider and crazier with each word.
Johnhughthom said nothing, only breathing heavily to compensate for the blood running down his arm.
The attacker suddenly stopped smiling and his eyes narrowed "I haven't made a mistake then...Excellent!"
He then forwards across the slushy red snow, pulling a long straight sword out from a scabbard at his belt. He grasped it in both hands, and raised it to strike at johnhughthom's waist. John, bleary from the fall and exhaustion, raised his knife to deflect the obvious move, before being shocked as the psychopath deftly swung the blade to the side and knocked the feeble dagger out of john's hand, to finish with a kick the chest that knocked John onto the floor. John, completely defenseless, could only watch as the murderer stood over him and spat on his face.
"I am kind enough to finish you here and now" whispered the sword-weilding maniac "And grant you a mercy you refused my brother"
With this, john's eyes widened, and his mouth opened to say something in reply to this revelation, but he was too tired, and too close to death to say anything before the Secret Agent raised his long sword up, before bringing it down with a sickening crunch onto john's neck, severing his head from his body and spraying his blood all over his neatly groomed facial hair.
***
A Communist was busy cooking up some tasty noodles, when a Comrade came over to his tent and asked to enter to share the tasty meal. The Communist agreed and beckoned in the stranger, who sat down next to him. The stranger asked if he could have some of the Pak Choi which was behind the Communist, and he turned around to fetch some, only to turn around to find the Kuomintang Officer pointing a gun at his head.
"So, *****, would you have guessed?"
The Communist too stunned to reply, only gaped/
"I have a proposition for you, "loyal" Communist. I know that you're only a Communist because you were drafted in when they came through your village. I know you hold no true loyalty to that pathetic cause. So I'm offering you a chance at something different. Join us, the Kuomintang, and you shall achieve riches beyond your wildest dreams."
The Communist, only now understanding the graveness of the situation, cautiously nodded.
"Good, a consensus." said the KMT Officer, happily. "I like consensus."
***
“We got lucky last night, Comrades” a cheery GeneralHankerchief announced to the cheerful and all-in-one-piece Socialists. “The Class Enemies mounted an attack on our brave defender of the People’s Army, and they were soundly, soundly beaten back through the virtues of resolute strength of arms and raw Marxist courage.”
The Communists all nodded happily. A few cheered.
“But who was the once who devised the cunning plan that led the Counter-Revolutionaries into the sneaky trap? It was I, fellow workers! I made sure that any attempt by the Japanese to carry on with their foul and devious strategy was doomed to failure!”
The Communists looked less happy. A few coughed.
"What about the death of-"
“Well, regardless of my achievements” interrupted GeneralHankerchief, “It looks like we have a weapons depot to find, isn’t that so, spy?”
The spy said nothing, only doing the tiniest of nods.
The Detachment set off, down the opposite side of the mountain this time. It was much harder descending that ascending. After an hour or so of walking, the spy told the Maoists to stop. Pausing to listen to the sound of the birds and for any loyal Japanese, he was soon confident that they were safe.
“Follow me” said the traitor, pointing off the trail to seemingly impenetrable forest. Two Communists with large swords were ordered to start hacking away at the thick and thorny undergrowth, and they obligingly carved a way through the bushes. Eventually, a after much chopping, the Communists emerged into a grove, which was dominated by a large abandoned Kuomintang blockhouse. The Socialists gingerly entered the building to find a treasure trove of weaponry. Pistols and rifles galore littered the room, and the peasants stormed in to seize the best weaponry for themselves. But most important of all, were two weapons that could potentially change the future of PEXDET; a Type 96 Japanese mortar, a Type 94 mountain gun and a Type 100 flamethrower. Both would be of formidable use to the Chinese, although they could slow them down in their escape from the Japanese. It would have to be up to the Officer to decide if they could take the risk.
As the Chinese fought among themselves for the best armaments, no-one saw the Japanese spy hang back from the crowd. He edged closer, and closer towards the Chairman, who was too busy trying to claim machine gun for himself, in the face of opposition from ACIN. The traitor rushed forwards and seized the Chairman’s pistol, who turned around to see the Japanese aiming the weapon directly into his own mouth, and see the Imperialist subsequently kill himself
GeneralHankerchief grimaced “A pity. I was thinking of letting him free. But what can you do now? Oh, and speaking of suicide, it turns out that Beefy187 was telling the truth when he said he was a bodyguard prepared to die for the International Revolution. So yeah…”
Sorry about it being so late. It will have to end at 20:00 GMT+1 tomorrow, as I have exams over the next few days which must take precedence over this. Sorry. I'm also disappointed with the quality of the write-up post-CDF's death, but I'm too tired to make any changes.
Alive players: 31/40
ACIN
ArpeggiateTHIS
askthepizzaguy
autolycus
AVSM
Captain Blackadder
Cultured Drizzt fan
Cute Wolf
Death is yonder
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
Joooray
landlubber
M3YUZ
miotas
Nictel
Niklas
Pinman
Renata
Romanic
Seamus Fermanagh
Secura
Sigurd
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
TheFlax
Thermal Mercury
wideyedwanderer
Wishazu
Yaseikhaan
YLC
Lynched players 4/40
Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Killed Players 6/40
Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Devoured by Rats - 2
Thermal Mercury
Wishazu
“A pity. I was thinking of letting him free. But what can you do now? Oh, and speaking of suicide, it turns out that Beefy187 was telling the truth when he said he was a bodyguard prepared to die for the International Revolution. So yeah…”
:wall: Bad Beefy.
GeneralHankerchief
06-26-2010, 23:39
Waiting to hear from a couple of people, so stand by for my thoughts.
All right. The elephant in the room that nobody seems to want to bring up: what the heck is the Kuomintang doing?
All right. The elephant in the room that nobody seems to want to bring up: what the heck is the Kuomintang doing?
My theory is that the Japanese are killing us and that the Kuomintang is trying to convert us (but they cannot kill). It seems plausible, unless someone can confirm that the Japanese are also converting us, like Psychonaut's claim, that I asked about yesterday.
But I'm still waiting to hear anything back from Psychonaut or anyone else on this :sad:
To add to this theory, I think the Hairy man is a serial killer, and that JHT's story is true: the SK is the trotskyist that he is hunting.
JHT specifically told me that he thinks he isn't hunting the hairy SK.
JHT specifically told me that he thinks he isn't hunting the hairy SK.
Why?
On the contrary, I think it makes sense that JHT is hunting the serial killer. He told us that after killing him, he would have the option to become a SK himself (or a townie). Replacing a SK by another keeps the game running with night kills. Its a good game setup, and I bet Subotan figured most of us would become serial killer :laugh4:
Well, you see thats what I reckoned.
However, the person hunting the hairy SK is also the person who killed Winston Hughes. JHT refused to admit to that.
((Its all detailed in my PM - that GH helpfully posted in the thread))
My theory is that the Japanese are killing us and that the Kuomintang is trying to convert us (but they cannot kill). It seems plausible, unless someone can confirm that the Japanese are also converting us, like Psychonaut's claim, that I asked about yesterday.
But I'm still waiting to hear anything back from Psychonaut or anyone else on this :sad:
To add to this theory, I think the Hairy man is a serial killer, and that JHT's story is true: the SK is the trotskyist that he is hunting.
Right, and your theory -- or more specifically its limitations -- is why I tried to set you/us up for a vig/protect test last night. Which didn't work, but so be it.
We've had five nights now IIRC, and only one conversion. Very few kills also, even taking into account the probably unexpected low level of vig activity. Postulating that the KMT might be converters rather than killers doesn't entirely solve the problem, either. But why are you ignoring the other obvious possibility, Romanic? That the KMT has not been active because something is preventing them? My hare-brained scheme from last night aside, participation in (most) protection groups can't be the problem -- it's not a strong enough motive and it's too easy to circumvent, even if KMT actions require all members to participate for success, or some such difficulty. So what is it?
If the KMT are not really pathetic converters or uninterested killers, then they're doing somethign that's more useful than converting or killing, and there's only one thing I can think of in this game that fits the bill -- the "detective" officer.
vote: ACIN
I want this possibility discussed, particularly by the officers, including GH.
Well, you see thats what I reckoned.
However, the person hunting the hairy SK is also the person who killed Winston Hughes. JHT refused to admit to that.
((Its all detailed in my PM - that GH helpfully posted in the thread))
Your evidence is not very conclusive.
I think the guy who killed Winston may be the same who killed Beskar/taka. They both appeared crazy.
Cultured Drizzt fan
06-27-2010, 01:37
Heres another question for everyone. Why is my particular protections group being targeted night after night by the Japanese? For those wondering it started off as: Beskar, Psychonaut, Double A, Me, and lately has involved GH himself. Its now down to Me, Double A, and GH
The only reason I can think of is to disrupt our protections and let one of us get away with doing another night action.
We've had five nights now IIRC, and only one conversion. Very few kills also, even taking into account the probably unexpected low level of vig activity. Postulating that the KMT might be converters rather than killers doesn't entirely solve the problem, either. But why are you ignoring the other obvious possibility, Romanic? That the KMT has not been active because something is preventing them? My hare-brained scheme from last night aside, participation in (most) protection groups can't be the problem -- it's not a strong enough motive and it's too easy to circumvent, even if KMT actions require all members to participate for success, or some such difficulty. So what is it?
Hah, I am not *ignoring* anything, I just didn't see that possibility. There's value to what you are saying, and it would explain why the KMT isn't appearing to do much.
But there's also the possibility that the KMT is trying to convert us every night, but that the writeups are only showing successful conversions. Psychonaut claimed a failed conversion on him, and it didn't appear in any writeup. Also, notice how the corpse investigation tells us that many of us are immune to conversion (So far all 4 corpses were immune to Imperialist propaganda). That's another clue that the KMT may be failing most nights.
Anyway, I'd also like to hear the officers discuss both theories. We don't hear much from them.
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2010, 01:56
Okay, we have progress. I had an investigator follow Pinman last night, and explicitly told me that Pinman was visiting somebody else's tent when he had already CC'd me and everybody else in his protection group orders to protect CDF. Now, luckily, I had put four people on CDF since I saw the trend that he described above, but the question remains: What were you doing last night, Pinman? :inquisitive:
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2010, 02:05
Further thoughts: ACIN was checked out by an independent investigator, so he's clean.
In regards to the KMT, I'm as clueless as you guys. However, Romanic's theory may have some merit. Subo's said several times that he's derived a lot of this game's mechanics from Pirate Ship Mafia. Being intimately familiar with that game, one of its quirks was that the two separate Mafia factions in that game each had their own strengths and weaknesses. If Subo borrowed that mechanic, the ability to have one faction only kill right away and the other to only be able to convert for a long while makes sense. Besides, it would be fitting that the Japanese kill right away and the KMT could only recruit. After all, it's more likely that good Chinese citizens would be more easily turned to fellow Chinese (no matter how despicably nationalist they are) than to some foreign devils, who simply need to kill as many of us as possible in order to further the invasion and cement the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.
Someone has some explaining to do....
vote: Pinman
Double A
06-27-2010, 02:22
Heres another question for everyone. Why is my particular protections group being targeted night after night by the Japanese? For those wondering it started off as: Beskar, Psychonaut, Double A, Me, and lately has involved GH himself. Its now down to Me, Double A, and GH
The only reason I can think of is to disrupt our protections and let one of us get away with doing another night action.
Oh great now I'm boned, aren't I?
Captain Blackadder
06-27-2010, 02:22
Indeed this is very suspicious
Vote Pinman
Well, obviously I went into somebody's tent last night - and investigated them.:inquisitive:
Now, was it entirely wise to post what I was doing GH? I assume you know whose tent I went into, so you know I didn't attempt to kill CDF. You also know that no other mafia activities happened last night.
I don't like these public information leaks.
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2010, 02:40
And you know what I don't like? Somebody explicitly CCing me orders saying they're going to do something, and then going off and doing something else.
-edit- Just because no other public mafia activity happened doesn't mean that no other activity happened. As I'm sure you're aware of, nobody is exactly sure what our mysterious KMT friends are up to.
To be honest GH, after the JHT incident, giving away information to you, about my activities or suspicions, is not my highest priority.
There were four people in the group, and I knew CDF was safe. There were better places for me to be than playing fourth wheel protecting him.
In any event, I thought you had a scan result on me from yesterday?
Cultured Drizzt fan
06-27-2010, 02:48
Time to spill Pinman. At this point I am all for lynching you just to be on the safe side.
Vote: Pinman
Well, as I said, I have some investigation powers. Specifics about investigations - I decline to provide publically - even under threat of lynch. That would be very unwise. If I were to reveal what precisely I can do, that would also help the enemies of our glorious revolution.
As for an example of something motivated from my work - look at the PM to GH on JHT. A PM, which I am unhappy to note, has still gone completely unheeded.
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2010, 03:03
I've heard enough. JHT is being dealt with privately.
Spill your guts or die.
-edit- no, the investigator I assigned to get a scan on you two nights ago didn't get his orders in on time.
I will not publically spill anything. Nor will I tell you what I know, as thats the same thing as giving a public account.
I suppose i'd be willing to give an account of my activities to ACIN - if indeed he has been independantly confirmed as a loyal communist.
EDIT: If these terms are not good enough - then with great regret, I'm prepared to die.
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2010, 03:10
ACIN has been confirmed, but I'm not going to give you the name of the person that confirmed him. Either you tell it to him directly or say it publicly.
Or you could always volunteer to test the effectiveness of some of the shiny new weapons you have.
Good Enough. I will write up a PM to him detailing my activities. Of course, it will probably go directly to you - and therefore the public, but its the best solution I suppose.
seireikhaan
06-27-2010, 04:43
Vote: Pinman
I am deeply dissatisfied with your behavior and response. You have given little reason to trust you.
Death is yonder
06-27-2010, 05:35
Vote: Pinman
Until verified, better safe than sorry.
Its not whether you have some magical investigation powers or not that is going to absolve you of any guilt.
The main point of contention here is that you CC'd to everyone in your protection group that you were doing the protection, and then you were caught doing something else, if there were only 3 protectors on CDf, he would have died, this is very fishy.
There was no way that CDF was going to die - three protectors is sufficient. As for my lying to the group - well, I obviously didn't want you to know what I was doing - did I?
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2010, 05:49
What if somebody had skimped out on their orders? What if somebody else in that group was a mole? What if somebody simply didn't get their orders on in time? Out of the three people in that group that bothered to CC me, you were the first one to send in your "orders". If any of those above scenarios would have happened, CDF would have been dead and I would have been down one of my most trusted men.
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2010, 05:50
Vote: Pinman
I'm too busy atm to read up and no one has gotten me caught up on what is what, so this is my ignorant follower vote.
What if somebody had skimped out on their orders? What if somebody else in that group was a mole? What if somebody simply didn't get their orders on in time? Out of the three people in that group that bothered to CC me, you were the first one to send in your "orders". If any of those above scenarios would have happened, CDF would have been dead and I would have been down one of my most trusted men.
I didn't consider any of those scenarios - because we protected -insert previous night's protectee here - without any problems. Of course, your right, things could have gone badly this time.
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2010, 06:04
The previous night's protectee wasn't attacked.
I got a response PM which suggested that the Protection Group had functioned properly.
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2010, 06:08
Let me guess: "X is still alive"? That's because X was still alive. Because they weren't attacked.
Yah. I thought that since it was a response PM.....
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2010, 06:16
No, that's a catch-all for whether the target is attacked or not. I should know, it's another thing Subo got from PSM.
But it's nice to know that you only lied about your activities for one night.
I lied for both nights. I investigated somebody else on Night 4 as well. Its all detailed in my PM to ACIN.
Double A
06-27-2010, 07:32
That's REALLY not something you should have brought up.
GH, is CDF still alive?
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2010, 07:46
Yes, CDF is still alive.
Vote: Pinman
I'm too busy atm to read up and no one has gotten me caught up on what is what, so this is my ignorant follower vote.
Here's a list of what happened so far, (with nice colors :grin:). Should give you an idea of what's happening.
We're PEXDET (Chinese Communists) and we've been infiltrated by our two enemies, <link href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CADMINI%7E1%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml" rel="File-List"><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style>The Kuomintang (KMT, the Chinese Nationalists) and the Imperial Japanese Army (IJA).
Day 1
* GH is elected Chairman.
Night 1
* Beskar is attacked by a Japanese Officer, but survives because he was protected by a group of comrades.
* ACIN is named Political Officer (Cop) He can secretly appoint a deputy to help him.
* Seamus is named Medical Officer (Doc)
* Autolycus is named Director of Proletarian Justice (Roleblocker)
* Yaseikhaan is named Special Operative (who knows what)
Day 2
* Azathoth is lynched - 3 days later he will be confirmed as a loyal communist not susceptible to conversion.
* Incident: Define a policy toward peasants
Night 2
* Winston is killed by an unknown assassin.
* Sasaki is vigged by five comrades. Beefy was supposed to protect him, but he failed to send orders in time.
* JHT was attacked by an unknown aggressor, but defended himself with a petrol bomb.
* 3 days later, Sasaki and Winston will be confirmed loyal communists not susceptible to conversion.
* One of us was successfully converted by a KMT Officer.
Day 3
* Beefy is lynched for failing to protect Sasaki, 3 days later he is confirmed as a bodyguard, ready to die for the cause. (Note: there's no mention that Beefy was not susceptible to a conversion).
Night 3
* Taka and Beskar are killed by a bomb dropped by a crazy bearded fellow, aka the Hairy Man. The attack was directed at taka, but Beskar was protecting him and caught in the blast.
* Chaotix was killed by a Japanese Officer.
Day 4
* Shlin is lynched.
Night 4
* Psychonaut is killed, while guarding someone, by a Japanese Officer.
Day 5
* Niklas is lynched.
* Wishazu and Thermal are WOGed.
* Incident: We captured a Japanese spy!
Night 5
* CDF is protected by a group of comrades from a Japanese Officer attack.
Day 6
* That's today! :chinese:
* Pinman is in trouble, GH caught him lying!
Notables:
* The rules are hidden in the Signup thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128503-A-Bridge-Zhou-Far-Three-Stars-Rising-SIGN-UPS).
* JHT claimed being an agent pursuing a rogue trotskyist (Post 491 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128827-A-Bridge-Zhou-Far-Three-Stars-Rising-IN-PLAY&p=2513014&viewfull=1#post2513014))
My opinions (read at your own risks!)
* The KMT is likely trying to convert us (and they're not trying to kill us, yet). They're have only converted one of us so far because most of us are not susceptible to conversion.
* The Japanese are trying to kill one of us every night.
* There's a serial killer, who killed twice (Winston and taka/Beskar, N2 & N3)
* JHT is after that serial killer.
* The Night 2 attack on JHT was likely performed by a Japanese Officer. It's the only night we haven't heard from him.
* The serial killer was possibly Shlin (lynched on D4) or Chaotix (killed on N3) because we haven't heard from him since Night 3. However, it's possible that he is lying low according to Renata's theory that someone is able to do only one action per night. If the SK is asked to perform duties, he may not be able to kill freely without attracting suspicion.
* The incidents add flavor to the game, but I'm not sure they have any impact on the game.
* The killers have some degree of control on what appears in the writeups, we've seen suspicious hints so far:
1) Night 2, Winston dreaming of cat eating poop, a hint about the CFC game.
2) Night 3, "Wide Eyed" appears 4x in the writeup of Chaotix's death.
3) Night 3, taka/Beskar are killed by a bomb after JHT used a petrol bomb on N2.
Hint #2 is especially suspicious. I don't see why Subotan would include that on his own. It's detrimental to wideyedwanderer.
If anyone find an error in the above, please let me know.
Last night, I screwed up, bad. There are two extremely important events which I just completely forgot to put into the write-up until after I went to bed last night. I sincerely apologise, and I'll hope you'll understand that it was because last night I was extremely tired from having my time vacuumed up by both this and Finals. Please check back at the write-up soon.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-27-2010, 10:34
Last night, I screwed up, bad. There are two extremely important events which I just completely forgot to put into the write-up until after I went to bed last night. I sincerely apologise, and I'll hope you'll understand that it was because last night I was extremely tired from having my time vacuumed up by both this and Finals. Please check back at the write-up soon.
I assume that your politics revision is going better than mine then :P
Back on topic: If you want my two cents, I'd say that the KMT are trying to convert, the Japanese are busy chopping heads off and we have a serial killer amongst us (and possibly a SK hunter. This doesn't vary much from the points made before me, so I might as well just say I totally agree with the above.
The write-up has changed. Please go back and check it.
Double A
06-27-2010, 11:05
HE'S ALIVE!
So... why are we mad at Pinman again? I was paying attention, I just don't know what Pinman PMing anyone has to do with anything.
Death is yonder
06-27-2010, 11:36
Changes to write up for your convenience (in spoilers).
ATPG replaces someone (I believe?)
Interrupting, ACIN and autolycus again called out from the edge of the camp "Chairman! Come quick! We've found someone else!"
GeneralHankerchief hurried over to see that the two Officers had found someone else, who looked dazed and confused.
"Another Japanese spy! Can we eat him?" cried one of the members of the crowd
"Silence, idiot!" yelled the Chairman "He clearly is a Chinese peasant, not a Japanese spy." Bending down to ask the terrified peasant he asked the peasant's name
"My name" said the peasant "is askthepizzaguy". I've been following you since Daozhen, as I wanted to join you travelling band, but I haven't been able to get close enough to ask you until now. Can I join PEXDET?"
The Chairman laughed and agreed, and he helped askthepizzaguy get up and introduced him to the other members of the Detachment.
JHT's story turns out to indeed be true, he was not lying, and he got killed for all his public attention.
Johnhughthom was on edge. He had not slept for five nights in a row, and it was only by sheer force of will that he managed to remain awake. He had run out of baijiu last night and was down to his last remaining cigarettes. He hugged his rifle, and from his position at the very peak of the mountain, he could see almost everything that happened below, except if those activities were directly behind him.
A searing pain shot through the back of his left shoulder as a bullet smashed into his collar bone, obliterating it, and unseating him. Johnhughthom toppled forwards and hurtled off the peak. He hit the snowy slope with force and rolled down it for about a hundred meters, leaving a bloody trail in the snow down the hill. As the slope leveled out and he began to slow down, he jumped up onto his feet, giving the impression that it had only been a flesh wound, a mere graze. This was not the case. Although johnhughthom gave the impression of being sprightly and ready to face his attacker, the bullet had done severe damage to him. He had not only lost a lot of blood on his tumble down the hill, but his left arm had been permanently disabled, and unless he got medical attention extremely quickly, it was likely that he would bleed out.
Johnhughthom looked up back towards the peak to see a man in a long trench coat sliding skillfully down the hill with a revolver in hand. Johnhughthom looked for his rifle, but it had fallen out of sight, so he had to resort to his long knife to face his attacker.
The attacker came to a graceful stop and looked johnhughthom straight in the eyes. His eyes were filled with a manic glee that bordered on hunger, and when he noticed John's whiskery goatee and moustache, he mouth broke open to reveal a deranged smile. The attacker struggled to hold in his laughter before saying
"After three years of tracing, three years of hunting, three years of murder, I finally have you in my sights once more. Three long years..." The grin became wider and crazier with each word.
Johnhughthom said nothing, only breathing heavily to compensate for the blood running down his arm.
The attacker suddenly stopped smiling and his eyes narrowed "I haven't made a mistake then...Excellent!"
He then forwards across the slushy red snow, pulling a long straight sword out from a scabbard at his belt. He grasped it in both hands, and raised it to strike at johnhughthom's waist. John, bleary from the fall and exhaustion, raised his knife to deflect the obvious move, before being shocked as the psychopath deftly swung the blade to the side and knocked the feeble dagger out of john's hand, to finish with a kick the chest that knocked John onto the floor. John, completely defenseless, could only watch as the murderer stood over him and spat on his face.
"I am kind enough to finish you here and now" whispered the sword-weilding maniac "And grant you a mercy you refused my brother"
With this, john's eyes widened, and his mouth opened to say something in reply to this revelation, but he was too tired, and too close to death to say anything before the Secret Agent raised his long sword up, before bringing it down with a sickening crunch onto john's neck, severing his head from his body and spraying his blood all over his neatly groomed facial hair.
KMT Recruits:
A Communist was busy cooking up some tasty noodles, when a Comrade came over to his tent and asked to enter to share the tasty meal. The Communist agreed and beckoned in the stranger, who sat down next to him. The stranger asked if he could have some of the Pak Choi which was behind the Communist, and he turned around to fetch some, only to turn around to find the Kuomintang Officer pointing a gun at his head.
"So, *****, would you have guessed?"
The Communist too stunned to reply, only gaped/
"I have a proposition for you, "loyal" Communist. I know that you're only a Communist because you were drafted in when they came through your village. I know you hold no true loyalty to that pathetic cause. So I'm offering you a chance at something different. Join us, the Kuomintang, and you shall achieve riches beyond your wildest dreams."
The Communist, only now understanding the graveness of the situation, cautiously nodded.
"Good, a consensus." said the KMT Officer, happily. "I like consensus."
So... why are we mad at Pinman again? I was paying attention, I just don't know what Pinman PMing anyone has to do with anything.
Okay, we have progress. I had an investigator follow Pinman last night, and explicitly told me that Pinman was visiting somebody else's tent when he had already CC'd me and everybody else in his protection group orders to protect CDF. Now, luckily, I had put four people on CDF since I saw the trend that he described above, but the question remains: What were you doing last night, Pinman? :inquisitive:
And you know what I don't like? Somebody explicitly CCing me orders saying they're going to do something, and then going off and doing something else.
-edit- Just because no other public mafia activity happened doesn't mean that no other activity happened. As I'm sure you're aware of, nobody is exactly sure what our mysterious KMT friends are up to.
:yes:
Edit: The updated KMT recruitment also makes Pinman more suspect. What indeed were you doing going off to other people's tents at night Pinman?
Well allrighty, then.
unvote: ACIN
Who did you choose to investigate each night, Pinman, and why?
So the hairy man, the serial killer seeking revenge and JHT's opponent are all still out there, not to mention another good comrade was lured away by the KMT. The only windfall we've had is the heavy firepower.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-27-2010, 12:49
"Fellow comrades, remove your hoods and hats. We are under the impression that a rather hairy traitor lies amongst us..."
DELETE_THIS
06-27-2010, 14:02
We could easily find the hairy man, unless he quickly shaves of course...
Cute Wolf
06-27-2010, 14:52
someone who sneak into people's tent is suspicious.... vote: Pinman
Changes to write up for your convenience (in spoilers).
ATPG replaces someone (I believe?)
Correct, he replaces Thermal Mercury
vote Pinman
For the record, I think the ditching the protection group in order to (he says) investigate is the least suspicious thing about him. Any paranoid pro-town might risk that. But he should have given us more information by now with the pressure on him, and he hasn't. There's also his interaction with JHT: JHT claimed he had mis-represented their conversations, and with JHT now dead and seemingly more or less what he claimed to be, that carries more weight.
Pinman hasn't been very forthcoming, has he? I guess after what happened to johnhughtom it was to be expected, but still, it seems GH has to force every last little tidbit out of him. I'd think if he were pro-town, he'd at least be more open with so much pressure on him.
Vote: Pinman
Well, if he were an investigator, then it is possible that he has important information that the KMT or IJA shouldn't see.
I have sent ACIN a PM detailing everything I know. Even though I am going to die, it would be unwise of me to reveal most of what I know publically.
I suppose I could tell you what I've been investigating for, that can't do much harm.
The subject of my investigations is loyalty to a cause - ie: yes or no. Revealing further information than this would be foolish of me.
Didn't you notice JHT's whiskey gottee Renata? I was right - he was the hairy SK.
He was killed by Winston's killer - the avenger.
Soooo... What say you ACIN? Should we lynch Pinman or not?
Write-Up shall commence within one hour.
The Red Army Detachment had finally emerged from the icy mountains onto rolling hills. The stark pine forest had given way to a leafy blaze of red and orange trees, and the snow had receded to reveal crunchy leaves underfoot.
By the time the Revolutionaries had stopped to rest for the night, one candidate had unanimously been chosen for the lynch. Pinman had been exposed as lying, and whilst it was not a particularly bad lie, it was a lie nonetheless. Plus, it had been revealed that the otherwise runner-up for the day, johnhughthom, had been decapitated during the night, and no-one was volunteered to contest Pinman's lynch. GeneralHankerchief glowed with satisfaction at the situation:
"I like counting votes when we have a landslide. It's so much simpler, and thus easier to communicate to the peasantry."
Pinman was of course not at all pleased with the situation, and he attempted to put up a spirited defence in the name of his innocence. When it became clear that that wasn't working, he appealed the the Commissar for help
"Comrade ACIN, you know I'm innocent, don't you?" pleaded the helpless Pinman
ACIN was completely vacant, and did not appear to understand what was being said to him by anyone, much less reply. He was just muttering about some "Disneyland", wherever that was.
Pinman realised his position was helpless, and quivered as the Chairman brought forth the executioner to do the dirty deed. Pinman was executed and went without a sound.
GeneralHankerchief, who had become ever more stoic in the face of the daily murder, yawned and climbed onto a rock to begin another announcement
"Comrades, I would like to inform you all that we have decided to take ALL of the heavy weaponry. We are now packing heat, with heat being artillery shells and liquid fire.
Also, I have uncovered evidence about the status of some of our fallen comrades. taka was indeed a Secret Policeman, as he said he was, and his death is a great loss to our cause. Beskar was also town, well trained enough in combat that the first attempt made on his life would have been futile anyway, but susceptible to Nationalist influences. Chaotix is an interesting case though. It appears that if he ever was a Communist, then he wasn't a dedicated one. He was a Megalomaniac, driven more by a lust for power and control then for the pursuit of the Marxist Paradise. He had great faith in his own abilities and eventual ascension to the leadership of the People's Extraordinary Detachment. However, it is probably in our best interests that he is dead, as it appears that he could assassinate one of our Officers in order to create a power vacuum for himself, to step into. He also had the ability to sell us all out to the Imperialists, to save his own skin. With the aid of the Japanese, we dodged a bullet there, Comrades."
It is now the night phase. This phase shall end in about 23 hours, at 20:00 GMT+1
Pinman - NINE - Romanic, Blackadder, CDF, Yaseikhaan, DiY, ATPG, Cute Wolf, Renata, TheFlax
Not Voting - TWENTY - ACIN, ArpeggiateTHIS, autolycus, AVSM, Double A, Jolt, Joooray, landlubber, M3YUZ, miotas, Nictel, Niklas, Pinman, Seamus Fermanagh, Secura, Sigurd,spL1tp3r50naL1ty, wideyedwanderer, YLC
Alive players: 27/40
ACIN
ArpeggiateTHIS
askthepizzaguy
autolycus
AVSM
Captain Blackadder
Cultured Drizzt fan
Cute Wolf
Death is yonder
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
Joooray
landlubber
M3YUZ
miotas
Nictel
Renata
Romanic
Seamus Fermanagh
Secura
Sigurd
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
TheFlax
wideyedwanderer
Yaseikhaan
YLC
Lynched players 5/40
Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
Killed Players 6/40
Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Devoured by Rats - 2
Thermal Mercury
Wishazu
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2010, 21:35
I need at least two, preferably more volunteers for tonight. This is in addition to the people I usually contact with work.
I need at least two, preferably more volunteers for tonight. This is in addition to the people I usually contact with work.
I'm up for it.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-27-2010, 22:05
I need at least two, preferably more volunteers for tonight. This is in addition to the people I usually contact with work.
I assume you're classing me as a regular now? If not, class me as a regular.
a completely inoffensive name
06-27-2010, 23:38
Oh :daisy:. I'm sorry guys, I told Subotan I was going to be gone for a full day since I was at Disneyland with friends. Pinman was clean. Twenty people did not vote, which I don't like. I personally think we should redo that round, but whatever.
EDIT: I thought somewhere along the line when everyone was telling me to do stuff, Subo would inform people I was gone for a day or so.
There was no other way anyways. I wasn't going to publically reveal the information, and GH wasn't going to give out the name of another trusted person.
We move on.
Didn't you notice JHT's whiskey gottee Renata? I was right - he was the hairy SK.
He was killed by Winston's killer - the avenger.
I thought the "avenger" WAS the serial killer. Can someone point me to where it says otherwise before I lose my mind?
Oh :daisy:. I'm sorry guys, I told Subotan I was going to be gone for a full day since I was at Disneyland with friends. Pinman was clean. Twenty people did not vote, which I don't like. I personally think we should redo that round, but whatever.
EDIT: I thought somewhere along the line when everyone was telling me to do stuff, Subo would inform people I was gone for a day or so.
Oh for God's sake.
If you look at Winston's death - youll see his killer was pursuing a man with facial hair <-- Avenger SK
When taka was killed, it was by a man with facial hair <-- Hairy SK
JHT was killed, and was identified by the avenger as having facial hair <--- JHT = taka's killer, hairy SK. Was killed by "Avenger".
Two SKs competing against each other.
johnhughthom
06-28-2010, 02:57
I was not a serial killer, I didn't kill anybody the entire game.
a completely inoffensive name
06-28-2010, 02:58
Oh for God's sake.
I'm sorry, take comfort that this was a case of Hanlon's Razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor).
wideyedwanderer
06-28-2010, 03:18
Sorry for not voting! I saw the write up yesterday and figured I'd wait until I have a better idea who to vote for before I voted...but I never got a chance. Sorry!
General Handkerchif, I would like to volunteer to help, because so far in this game I haven't done much. -_-
If you look at Winston's death - youll see his killer was pursuing a man with facial hair <-- Avenger SK
When taka was killed, it was by a man with facial hair <-- Hairy SK
JHT was killed, and was identified by the avenger as having facial hair <--- JHT = taka's killer, hairy SK. Was killed by "Avenger".
Two SKs competing against each other.
Both JHT and hs killer thought they knew each other, but when the killer mentioned something about his brother, JHT was surprised. So out there we still have the Hairy Man, the man tring to kill the Hairy Man, and whomever JHT thought was trying to kill him. Three potential SK's, unless one has recently been killed or lynched.
JHT wasn't pursuing anybody - he was lying. And his eye widened out of understanding, not surprise.
Only just got ISP problems sorted out, been offline all day... I'd hoped Beskar might say something after I called him hours ago, clearly not.
Apologies, Subo. :bow:
The bush rustled and revealed that there had been a man crouching behind it, and that the hair which had been snagged in the bush was his long and messy beard, which now had pieces of bush snagged in it.
His eyes were filled with a manic glee that bordered on hunger, and when he noticed John's whiskery goatee and moustache, he mouth broke open to reveal a deranged smile.
JHT's few days of whiskery growth hardly compare to the huge bushy beard of the hairy man.
Nah, I'm pretty sure they are the same person. Also explains the stopping of the killing, ect.
What are you talking about? We haven't even had a night round yet since JHT was killed. Not to mention that the hairy man has only killed once on, what, the third night was it?
Because of the roleblocks.
Oh :daisy:. I'm sorry guys, I told Subotan I was going to be gone for a full day since I was at Disneyland with friends. Pinman was clean. Twenty people did not vote, which I don't like. I personally think we should redo that round, but whatever.
EDIT: I thought somewhere along the line when everyone was telling me to do stuff, Subo would inform people I was gone for a day or so.
I referenced that in the write-up, but it did not occur to me to explain to the players. You informing me when you are absent is mainly for the purposes of so that the Rats fo not Devour you.
I'm sorry, take comfort that this was a case of Hanlon's Razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor).
Yes, on my part.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-28-2010, 11:10
Oops, it appears that I forgot to vote last round. Won't happen again, Subo.
Deadline Reached. Commencing Write-Up.
Secura was about to blow out his (?) lamp when a rustle from outside his tent gave him pause. Secura strained his ears to check that the Hairy Man, or the Vengeful Killer, or the Japanese Psychopath was not lurking outside his tent. The pitter-patter of several pairs of feet was a very relieving sound to hear, for someone used to lone killers striking in the dark. He refocused on the lamp, and was about to blow it out when-
"STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM!"
A tall man burst through the entrance of Secura's tent and Secura screamed as four knives suddenly cut through the fabric of the tent, ripping holes large enough for four men to clamber through
The tall man pointed a long finger at Secura, who was lying stunned on his bedding "Secura, I have evidence, EVIDENCE, that proves that you are a Counter-Revolutionary Agent! How do you respond to this allegation?"
"What."
"Yet more proof! Take him down Comrades, before his nefarious activities corrupt us all!"
The four men gleefully produced their weapons and aimed them, regardless of Secura's protests
"But wait, what are-"
But in a blaze of fire and led, his question was silenced, permanently.
***
deathisyonder was sleeping in bed. His sleep was deep, so deep in fact, that he could not hear the quiet tapping on the outside of his tent.
"Hey! Pssst! Deathisyonder! Can I come in? I have an important proposition for you!"
But DIY was just too sleepy to hear the stranger's tantalizing offers, and he merely turned over in his sleep when confronted by a nasty dream about Kuomintang. DiY hated the Kuomintang so much. They had come into his village, raped and murdered all the women, and then got the rest of the men in his village hooked on opium. No, he could never ever side with the Nationalists, and if he ever found one, why, he'd strangle him with his bare hands, whether he was an Officer or a humble peasant.
"Hey, DIY, you like the KMT, huh?" hushed the voice from outside the tent. "Come onnnn, let me in!"
DiY stirred and replied with a faint "Zzzzzzzzzz"
"Oh screw it", muttered the Kuomintang Officer, who stormed off back to his tent, muttering curses about how close he had been to converting the poor sop to the glories of Nationalism.
***
"Comrades, I have yet more good news" declared GeneralHankerchief
The Communists had become accustomed to the constant declarations of good news, and had by now realised that good news was more of a synonym for neutral news than anything which would help them stay alive.
The Chairman continued "We were not attacked by the Japanese or the Kuomintang last night? Isn't that wonderful? We may have permanently crippled last night both Imperialist forces, through the leadership of your wise Officer Corps"
But a voice spoke up "But where's Secura then?"
GeneralHankerchief replied with a nod and a knowing wink "Ah, but she has been dispatched by the true forces of the Revolution. We managed to engage in intense self-criticism of the Party, it's objectives and means of achieving them, and we came to the conclusion that Secura had to be liquidated."
Scowls could be seen from more than a few members of the audience.
"In addition, it is become clear that a new political alliance, the Clique of the People's Hammer, has been forged on our travels. It consists of miotas, arpeggiateTHIS and Death is yonder."
The Clique of the People's Hammer cheered, and the Socialists politely clapped, whilst the Fengxi Clique booed in political rivalry.
"Oh, and it has become apparent that shlin28, whilst living, was indeed the true Communist he claimed to be. We are extremely saddened by his death at the hands of, erm, us. However, it does appear that he was a Socialist who had Fascistic leanings, and he appears to have been rather partial to Japanese foreign policy and Emperor-worship."
But, nevertheless, the threat of Japanese soldiers rampaging down the pass after them was still plausible, so they continued marching towards Yan'an. The hills were becoming much smoother and easier to walk on. In the distance, a wide, raging river could be seen, and it was estimated that they would reach the crossing point for it at nightfall.
This phase shall last 23 hours until 20:00 GMT+1.
Alive players: 26/40
ACIN
ArpeggiateTHIS
askthepizzaguy
autolycus
AVSM
Captain Blackadder
Cultured Drizzt fan
Cute Wolf
Death is yonder
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
Joooray
landlubber
M3YUZ
miotas
Nictel
Renata
Romanic
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
TheFlax
wideyedwanderer
Yaseikhaan
YLC
Lynched players 5/40
Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
Killed Players 7/40
Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
Devoured by Rats - 2
Thermal Mercury
Wishazu
GeneralHankerchief
06-28-2010, 21:20
Open discussion while I wait for some results. Let's hear your theories.
Why did you kill Secura?
My scan result was loyal.
Write-up has slightly changed. I'm saying this only because we've gone onto a new page.
@ Pinman -- I thought you said your investigation only revealed loyalty to a cause. As in, any cause. Presumably the Japanese, Kuomintang, and assorted other evil-doers are plenty loyal in their own fashion. I don't really understand your objection.
@ GH -- Why was Secura vigged?
The most obvious interpretation for the Japanese is that that player was roleblocked. I can think of a couple possible reasons for a deliberate no-kill, too.
KMT, don't ask me. Though I meant to reiterate that I still don't buy the interpretation that they are convert-only. The Japanese can do both; so too presumably must the KMT. Maybe different focus, but I don't buy that they don't kill at all. Something else must be going on.
Edit: OK, post result edit I'm now wondering about Psychonaut. He claimed to have been the attempted recruit of the Japanese, but that didn't show up in the write-up. DiY (Kuomintang attempt) DID. Ignore my last paragraph until this settles; I have no idea what's going on.
Last night does give more support to the JHT-as-SK theory, though there are still loose ends.
I'm also curious to hear why Secura was vigged.
As far as theories on why there was no kill, I have no idea.
Thats correct - but the vast majority of loyal people are loyal to communism.
Well, lets hear if GH had any supplementary evidence.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-28-2010, 22:01
Well, this is interesting.
Why would there be no kill? Either somebody's roleblock was successful (step up, please) or they're playing tricks on us.
Or, perhaps they forgot to send orders in -_- ...
EDIT: Comrades, we have a new clique! The People's Hammer will nail all those that stand in our way!
How can we see the first failed conversion attempt by the KMT when they succeeded twice?
I would have expected them to fail before this, unless they were scanning their targets before trying to convert. And now they changed their strategy and are trying to convert in the dark.
EDIT: And perhaps Pinman was their scannner? He was able to scan for loyalty....
What would be the point of them scanning their targets Romanic?
What would be the point of them scanning their targets Romanic?
To make sure they can be converted before actually trying, otherwise, as we've seen last night, someone will be confirmed loyal in the writeup (DiY in this case).
I know why I was killed, it's fine.
In most games, I guess I'd be reacting quite badly to being killed, particularly as it's a vigilante kill, but here... well it was either be murdered or die of ennui; I just wasn't enjoying the game beyond the writeups anyway, so dying is more a gift than a grievance. I see no need for some inquest into the whys and whatfors, because I'm no terrible loss as far as a player goes for this game.
Good luck to everyone still playing; be they KMT, Japanese or otherwise. Keep the good writing going, Subo-chan. :3
GeneralHankerchief
06-28-2010, 22:18
I vigged Secura because that was who Pinman scanned before he died. ACIN didn't share Pinman's role info with me, aside from his personal opinion that Pinman was "loyal". Sorry, but that doesn't cut it, especially with the KMT at presumably two members over original strength.
(-edit- thanks for the catch :tongue:)
@GH: You should edit your post and replace "Renata" with "Secura". :P
It was perhaps a little harsh to vig someone with the knowledge you had. Secura could have been converted, yes, but maybe we should have verified this before? Scanned her perhaps?
Anyway, why would ACIN not share Pinman's role with you?
My role, or lack thereof, will become apparant in three days. :3
Need to catch up and get back into the game - and you vigged Secura, not Renata Dear Leader. I suggest you cease any drugs you may be taking, it's starting to affect your ability to lead this communist expedition :laugh4:
"Oh, and it has become apparent that shlin28, whilst living, was indeed the true Communist he claimed to be. We are extremely saddened by his death at the hands of, erm, us. However, it does appear that he was a Socialist who had Fascistic leanings, and he appears to have been rather partial to Japanese foreign policy and Emperor-worship."
This part from the writeup confirms that we can also be recruited by the Japanese.
GeneralHankerchief
06-28-2010, 23:21
A little pressure on Cute Wolf, please. Out of the relatively active players still alive, his name pops out as the one that I have absolutely no idea what he's been up to at night.
This part from the writeup confirms that we can also be recruited by the Japanese.
Which, in turn, would also confirm that the KMT can kill. Having one faction do one thjing another is not capable of seems a bit odd in my books.
You know what, I am calling out the leadership on this one. The KMT's methods and actions reek so far of people put into a position of power.
GeneralHankerchief
06-28-2010, 23:49
Just to clear this up right now, I have full confidence in the abilities and loyalties of all my officers. There are a lot of things up for discussion today, but that is not one of them.
They've got every right to discuss what they like; they elected you, you're just as answerable to them as they are to you, if not moreso.
I say kudos to you, YLC, and would hope others follow your example.
I must apologize to you Secura - apparently I got you killed. When I gave information to the officers suggesting you were probably innocent, like 95% of the people scanned as 'loyal', they decided to have you killed.
:no:
Yup. If you're wrong about this GH, it means we doomed to fail, so let's talk about it.
Just to clear this up right now, I have full confidence in the abilities and loyalties of all my officers.
Were they all scanned? How sure are you about all of it?
If a scanner was able to infiltrate the officers, he could have been feeding you false results from the start.
No need to apologise! I don't see how it was your fault anyway. :3
I'm not really certain what I can and cannot say currently, but needless to say that my 'role' will become apparant in a few days time; once it's public knowledge, I'd definitely comment further.
GeneralHankerchief
06-29-2010, 00:40
ACIN was scanned and cleared by an independent investigator whose alignment was the same as taka's - and he contacted me before taka did. ACIN then scanned and looked at the rest of the officers, clearing two of them, and I believe he's scanned the third tonight.
So basically, unless the independent investigator somehow got wind of the Secret Police faction on or about the very first night, and then decided to exercise a MASSIVE gambit by contacting me unsolicited, the officers are clear.
Can we please get some pressure on Cute Wolf now?
The KMT are overrated and overpowdered. You should look for the Japanese.
GeneralHankerchief
06-29-2010, 02:01
I've had some new information come to light but I'm not exactly sure what it means yet. If somebody could PM with exactly how clique mechanics work, I'd be very grateful. Thanks. :yes:
johnhughthom
06-29-2010, 02:02
The KMT are overrated and overpowdered. You should look for the Japanese.
Are they wearing makeup?
Are they wearing makeup?
Yes, that "typing mistake" was actually correct. I knew you would try to 'catch me out'.
Overpowdered: They are definitely not the threat you think they are, they beenpowdered/fluffed up to be the menace when your real enemy is the Japanese.
GeneralHankerchief
06-29-2010, 02:14
Okay, I have to go to work now so I wish this wasn't so brief, but essentially TheFlax visited two separate tents last night. Since there isn't anything in the rules about this, even the clique rules, I'd like to hear a bit more. I trust you guys to make a judgment on this while I'm out. :bow:
-edit- Also, normally I wouldn't bother with this, but since that particular clique hasn't protected somebody the same night they were attacked yet... you can't be sure.
ACIN was scanned and cleared by an independent investigator whose alignment was the same as taka's - and he contacted me before taka did. ACIN then scanned and looked at the rest of the officers, clearing two of them, and I believe he's scanned the third tonight.
So basically, unless the independent investigator somehow got wind of the Secret Police faction on or about the very first night, and then decided to exercise a MASSIVE gambit by contacting me unsolicited, the officers are clear.
Can we please get some pressure on Cute Wolf now?
Pressure Ahoy.
vote: Cute Wolf
Have you been checked out yourself, GH? Would seem to be the first order of business for ACIN, but you don't list yourself.
There's nothing much to tell about cliques. Work together with the same people three nights (3 to 5 people total IIRC from when we were asking about it), and you get a reduction in the number needed to vig. There's also something political involved apparently, but it hasn't come up yet. That's it, right, Romanic/Flax? I don't remember anything else. I've speculated maybe we get some kind of defense bonus as well to counter-balance our names being called out in public like this, but if so it's not been stated.
@Renata: Cliques also have special powers during tied votes and revolts, but we have yet to see what they are.
Okay, I have to go to work now so I wish this wasn't so brief, but essentially TheFlax visited two separate tents last night. Since there isn't anything in the rules about this, even the clique rules, I'd like to hear a bit more. I trust you guys to make a judgment on this while I'm out. :bow:
That's unexpected. Flax, Fengxi brother? What have you done?
Could an available officer please contact me? I'll make everything clear. I'd rather not expose my ability to the public, unless its truly necessary.
In the meanwhile, I'll go with Vote: Cutewolf
Askthepizzaguy
06-29-2010, 02:51
Vote: TheFlax
Yes, that "typing mistake" was actually correct. I knew you would try to 'catch me out'.
Overpowdered: They are definitely not the threat you think they are, they beenpowdered/fluffed up to be the menace when your real enemy is the Japanese.
Excuse me? It's getting really apparent that the KMT and Japanese are both capable of the same things. BOTH are thus equal threats, so don't even try to pull the "one is more dangerous then the other", because if one is, it's because they are in the Officer Corps, which still leads back to where I was originally - I FIRMLY believe that our "elected" officials have either plundered heavily or are now influenced by the KMT.
Secura's death is the clincher for me - she had one whopping investigation done upon her, was found "loyal" and then promptly murdered. There was no further inquiry, ACIN refused to reveal Pinmans role, and GH simply brushes it off. I think we need a change in leadership, right here, right now.
The GH administration seems to be pretty useless.
Please don't blame ACIN though. I begged him not to reveal my information to anybody he wasn't entirely sure of - even if it meant I was lynched.
Rather telling that GH wasn't given the information - eh?:inquisitive:
I'd start the ball rolling, but I'm not sure how :laugh4:
TheFlax, Renata and I have been protecting the same people every night, and only the three of us. After Night 3 we created the Fengxi clique, so it means we were working together on Nights 1-3, otherwise we would not have been a clique after Night 3. So it means either TheFlax can do 2 things at a time, or that he started doing night stuff after Night 3.
The Pinman incident confirmed that he, Pinman, couldn't be scanning and protecting at the same time, or he would have told us so. However this does not mean someone else cannot perform two actions per night.
@everyone: Can someone confirm if it's possible to protect someone at night, while using another skill? GH at least, should have heard about it, but also the officers.
Can an officer protect someone and use his officer skill at the same time?
@GH: Was one of the tents visited by TheFlax last night, the tent of the player you asked us to protect?
wideyedwanderer
06-29-2010, 04:13
The General asked for some pressure on CuteWolf, so here it goes...
Vote:CuteWolf
Tell us what you know! Talk!
a completely inoffensive name
06-29-2010, 04:55
There is leak somewhere among the ranks, so I didn't share Pinmans info. otherwise the leak could have revealed some critical players. GH's administration is doing as well as it could have. The leak set us back about two to three days straight because the people we would check out would die. You all need to calm down and just keep the discussion going.
a completely inoffensive name
06-29-2010, 04:57
Vote: TheFlax
Cute Wolf
06-29-2010, 07:53
ACIN was scanned and cleared by an independent investigator whose alignment was the same as taka's - and he contacted me before taka did. ACIN then scanned and looked at the rest of the officers, clearing two of them, and I believe he's scanned the third tonight.
So basically, unless the independent investigator somehow got wind of the Secret Police faction on or about the very first night, and then decided to exercise a MASSIVE gambit by contacting me unsolicited, the officers are clear.
Can we please get some pressure on Cute Wolf now?
Pressure Ahoy.
vote: Cute Wolf
Have you been checked out yourself, GH? Would seem to be the first order of business for ACIN, but you don't list yourself.
There's nothing much to tell about cliques. Work together with the same people three nights (3 to 5 people total IIRC from when we were asking about it), and you get a reduction in the number needed to vig. There's also something political involved apparently, but it hasn't come up yet. That's it, right, Romanic/Flax? I don't remember anything else. I've speculated maybe we get some kind of defense bonus as well to counter-balance our names being called out in public like this, but if so it's not been stated.
Could an available officer please contact me? I'll make everything clear. I'd rather not expose my ability to the public, unless its truly necessary.
In the meanwhile, I'll go with Vote: Cutewolf
The General asked for some pressure on CuteWolf, so here it goes...
Vote:CuteWolf
Tell us what you know! Talk!
Hello GH... I'm sorry if I was active but seems suspiciously inactive at the night phase, I'll sent you a PM explaining my role then, actually I'm busy skinning right now...
I'm not the one that was disloyal to the Communists, believe me.
Secura's death is the clincher for me - she had one whopping investigation done upon her, was found "loyal" and then promptly murdered. There was no further inquiry, ACIN refused to reveal Pinmans role, and GH simply brushes it off.
You're the only one really following this tune now, unfortunately; it would seem our Chairman waves his hand around, says that 'credits will do fine' and everyone else is taken in. Does anyone genuinely believe that I was Kuomintang or Japanese?
I think we need a change in leadership, right here, right now.
I couldn't agree more.
You're the only one really following this tune now, unfortunately; it would seem our Chairman waves his hand around, says that 'credits will do fine' and everyone else is taken in. Does anyone genuinely believe that I was Kuomintang or Japanese?
Well, apparently the only evidence against you was that I went into your tent. Except, its been demonstrated that, at the very least, I can't be the KMT converter.
So................No.
I have a suggestion. It starts with 'Rev' and ends with 'Olt'.
I heard that the suspicion that led to my death was based upon you cancelling a protection order sanctioned by the Chairman in order to investigate me, right? And thus I was killed because they believed you weren't investigating but converting?
If you were mafia, cancelling orders like that would be a heavily risky move to play, it just draws far too much suspicion for the end result to be of any benefit to you. I'm curious why you thought I needed investigated, and that it merited defying orders to do so, though.
DELETE_THIS
06-29-2010, 10:19
So how do we continue forward now?
Cute Wolf
06-29-2010, 10:32
Vote : TheFlax
Askthepizzaguy
06-29-2010, 10:38
Unvote, Vote: Cute Wolf
That got your attention, I see.
Johnhugh would have been seen entering three tents, right?
vote: Cute Wolf
Cute Wolf
06-29-2010, 10:51
hmpfff, so, it looks like that I was getting hated here...
@GH : you better reply to my PM and explain that to the mass, because the info I sent to you is classified.... well, I don't want misinformation caused me to got lynched!
Great... another "role".
We don't hate you. We try to follow our common leader. He wanted pressure and he sure got pressure.
GeneralHankerchief
06-29-2010, 11:27
I'm back from work, about to catch up. Give me a bit.
Cute Wolf
06-29-2010, 11:30
I was busy skinning, but I allready report my rule to GH via PM.... so that's why I got that late response.
GeneralHankerchief
06-29-2010, 11:40
Okay, three things.
1) For Pete's sake, it's now Day... what? 6? 7? Considering all of the investigator roles running around, do you honestly believe that, were I anything but a loyal Communist, I would have been smoked out by now? All that a revolt does is risk putting a non-confirmed player in the top spot.
2) With all of the private claims I'm getting, I'm starting to think that I was the only basic role in the game...
3) Flax's roleclaim is apparently minor, so I'm going to post it here, courtesy of autolycus:
TheFlax claims that he has a swapping power, where he switches places with someone else to protect them, and that once he was in a clique, he was allowed to start taking clique actions and doing other stuff.
This doesn't quite match up with what I've heard, namely the "allowed to do two actions" part. Based on this information and what Cute Wolf has sent me, I recommend a lynch of TheFlax today. Cute Wolf will be scanned tonight, rest assured.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-29-2010, 12:11
Okay, three things.
1) For Pete's sake, it's now Day... what? 6? 7? Considering all of the investigator roles running around, do you honestly believe that, were I anything but a loyal Communist, I would have been smoked out by now? All that a revolt does is risk putting a non-confirmed player in the top spot.
2) With all of the private claims I'm getting, I'm starting to think that I was the only basic role in the game...
3) Flax's roleclaim is apparently minor, so I'm going to post it here, courtesy of autolycus:
This doesn't quite match up with what I've heard, namely the "allowed to do two actions" part. Based on this information and what Cute Wolf has sent me, I recommend a lynch of TheFlax today. Cute Wolf will be scanned tonight, rest assured.
As you wish, there must be more than enough roleclaims here to fulfil a huge mafia game. I, for one, am brown-bread basic.
Vote: TheFlax Capitalist pig.
At the same time, not so long ago did I learn to blindly defer to authority, despite assumptions and claims of innocence. I've got my eye on you, GH.
Considering all of the investigator roles running around, do you honestly believe that, were I anything but a loyal Communist, I would have been smoked out by now?
And yet you killed me despite having a innocent scan result? This is hypocritical, WIFOM-laden bovine excrement.
2) With all of the private claims I'm getting, I'm starting to think that I was the only basic role in the game...
Why the soft claim? Totally unnecessary at this stage and only serves to make you look suspicious.
Cute Wolf will be scanned tonight, rest assured.
If you didn't believe Pinman's investigation result, why didn't you have me scanned again by someone you trusted?
Death is yonder
06-29-2010, 12:16
"Hey, DIY, you like the KMT, huh?" hushed the voice from outside the tent. "Come onnnn, let me in!"
DiY stirred and replied with a faint "Zzzzzzzzzz"
"Oh screw it", muttered the Kuomintang Officer, who stormed off back to his tent, muttering curses about how close he had been to converting the poor sop to the glories of Nationalism.
:laugh4:
Thanks Subo, I loved the write up.
Edit: OK, post result edit I'm now wondering about Psychonaut. He claimed to have been the attempted recruit of the Japanese, but that didn't show up in the write-up. DiY (Kuomintang attempt) DID. Ignore my last paragraph until this settles; I have no idea what's going on.
Has everyone already forgotten this post by Renata? Clearly failed conversion attempts are displayed in the write up, yet Psycho's was not? :inquisitive:
Mid Posting Consideration: Hmm seems like after a preview refresh GH advocates a lynch on TheFlax.
I don't know about you folks, but IMO Psychonaut is more scummy because he publicly stated that a failed conversion took place on him yet we saw nothing about that.
Vote: Psychonaut
This is just my 2¢ on the matter, because Psycho seems to have laid low after nobody really paid attention to him.
:l
I don't know about you folks, but IMO Psychonaut is more scummy because he publicly stated that a failed conversion took place on him yet we saw nothing about that.
Vote: Psychonaut
This is just my 2¢ on the matter, because Psycho seems to have laid low after nobody really paid attention to him.
A bit too late I am afraid. Apparently the Japs tried to convert him and when he said no, they killed him. Then Niklas the Jap (is there a post mortem on him yet?) got the noose.
Okay, three things.
1) For Pete's sake, it's now Day... what? 6? 7? Considering all of the investigator roles running around, do you honestly believe that, were I anything but a loyal Communist, I would have been smoked out by now? All that a revolt does is risk putting a non-confirmed player in the top spot.
GH is right you know. There should be a better candidate present before dethroning our chairman.
3) Flax's roleclaim is apparently minor, so I'm going to post it here, courtesy of autolycus:
TheFlax claims that he has a swapping power, where he switches places with someone else to protect them, and that once he was in a clique, he was allowed to start taking clique actions and doing other stuff. This doesn't quite match up with what I've heard, namely the "allowed to do two actions" part. Based on this information and what Cute Wolf has sent me, I recommend a lynch of TheFlax today. Cute Wolf will be scanned tonight, rest assured.Woah... That is quite the hasty conclusion.
If I am not mistaken, TheFlax is in a clique, right? the very first one, which means he has successfully worked with at least two others on three consecutive nights.
To me that speaks of commitment to you and our larger group. He basically claims the same role as Beefy, who we lynched. I would say wrongfully so.
I doubt the clique survives one of its members demise. Why destroy such a construct based on weak evidence? Which leads to my next question - why are there not more cliques? At least you should have made sure more were present.
I was put into a group with ArpeggiateTHIS and Jolt. This was not continued. I now see that ArpeggiateTHIS is part of a clique. What about my other previous partner?
Unless there are more members of a clique with roles that can embellish on this issue , we don't really know if that is one of the advantages of being part of a clique. If it is, TheFlax is not the candidate for today.
Alright then, who am I to question our leader. Vote: TheFlax, that roleclaim sure sounds fishy.
Death is yonder
06-29-2010, 13:53
A bit too late I am afraid. Apparently the Japs tried to convert him and when he said no, they killed him. Then Niklas the Jap (is there a post mortem on him yet?) got the noose.
Ahh right, my bad. Read through the new updates then saw Renata's post, seemed fairly plausible.
Unvote: Psychonaut (Invalid Vote)
This raises up another interesting supposition. Why then, are attempted Jap conversions not shown, yet why are KMT conversions AND failed conversions shown.
Agreeing with Sigurd, the clique mechanic hasn't been explored much in depth with only 1 clique that has been around for a while. It may be plausible that TheFlax is indeed telling the truth :thinking:
Okay, I have to go to work now so I wish this wasn't so brief, but essentially TheFlax visited two separate tents last night. Since there isn't anything in the rules about this, even the clique rules, I'd like to hear a bit more. I trust you guys to make a judgment on this while I'm out. :bow:
-edit- Also, normally I wouldn't bother with this, but since that particular clique hasn't protected somebody the same night they were attacked yet... you can't be sure.
Which tents did he visit? And why did you never answer my question about Whampoa Military Academy? That was part of Flax's roleclaim to me on the very first day of the game, and the claim did not match what he told Autolycus. I'd like him to explain that.
vote: TheFlax (see below)
Another for GH -- why evade the question I specifically asked, which was whether *ACIN* had investigated you? Your original post that I mentioned implied he had not, and so did your response. I for one as an investigator, would not have looked at you, since I would have assumed that ACIN would. (I might have looked at ACIN!) Whose idea was it that he skip that?
About Psychonaut -- now that we've seen a failed conversion in the write-up (albeit from the other team), I find his claim to have had a conversion attempted on him to be implausible, and before the information about Flax came out I had intended to go back through his interactions, and the bandwagon on Niklas that was started at his behest, to see if anything jumped out at me. That can wait, now, but I'm very interested in his death reveal.
Sigurd and DiY both, why do you assume that failed Japanese conversions would not be shown, whereas KMT ones are?
Oh, one more thing: who was roleblocked last night?
Death is yonder
06-29-2010, 14:25
Sigurd and DiY both, why do you assume that failed Japanese conversions would not be shown, whereas KMT ones are?
What I raised was a hypothetical situation assuming that Psychonaut was telling the truth.
Thus far, we have seen no attempted Japanese conversions, failed or successful so its still a plausible consideration that is not otherwise confirmed or proven otherwise at this juncture.
Another for GH -- why evade the question I specifically asked, which was whether *ACIN* had investigated you
:yes: The general public would like to know this.
The GH administration has made some questionable choices in the past, I think that now after Secura was vigged with questionable intent, this is a question that needs to be answered by ACIN, preferably soon if you are to maintain your credibility as our chairman.
Edit: Subo, while understanding that you are very busy now with exams, could you kindly update the summary thread at your earliest convenience? It would be greatly appreciated :bow:
Captain Blackadder
06-29-2010, 14:55
Ahh right, my bad. Read through the new updates then saw Renata's post, seemed fairly plausible.
Unvote: Psychonaut (Invalid Vote)
This raises up another interesting supposition. Why then, are attempted Jap conversions not shown, yet why are KMT conversions AND failed conversions shown.
Agreeing with Sigurd, the clique mechanic hasn't been explored much in depth with only 1 clique that has been around for a while. It may be plausible that TheFlax is indeed telling the truth :thinking:
However there is some evidence to point to The Flax firstly I believe that Subotan wanted to break the power of the communist and allowing the Nationalists as well as the Japanese to do two actions in the night would certainly cause that plus flax has given no explanation for why he can be in two places at the
Sigurd and DiY both, why do you assume that failed Japanese conversions would not be shown, whereas KMT ones are?
Not assuming much... just taking Psychonaut's word for it.
Besides, we do not know the mechanics behind conversions. Was it Romanic who suggested that the mafia contacted the player before the actual conversion? Plausible...
Which tents did he visit? And why did you never answer my question about Whampoa Military Academy? That was part of Flax's roleclaim to me on the very first day of the game, and the claim did not match what he told Autolycus. I'd like him to explain that.
vote: TheFlax
I visited Double A's tent and your tent. Nothing bad happened to you, right? Anyways, I didn't give you the whole truth about my role PM because I was testing reactions. :shrug:
Cultured Drizzt fan
06-29-2010, 16:10
I am not seeing why we should lynch TheFlax. :tongue:
I visited Double A's tent and your tent. Nothing bad happened to you, right? Anyways, I didn't give you the whole truth about my role PM because I was testing reactions. :shrug:
Why aren't you online to discuss it?
landlubber
06-29-2010, 16:35
vote:TheFlax.
Who am I to question the Chairman?
Death is yonder
06-29-2010, 16:45
(Owing to inconvenient timezones where phases end at 3am +/-, I regret not being able stay around till I am satisfied that TheFlax is the best lynch candidate. However, seeing as the Chairman has pledged his credibility on the line that Cutewolf will be scanned/whatever, that leaves TheFlax. Should his story be true however, and was a product of being in a clique, then so be it :shrug:)
Vote: TheFlax
Why aren't you online to discuss it?
I had a feeling this would come out. I'm not hiding or anything, I've been depressed lately and while I'm figuring out stuff in my life, I don't feel like talking to anyone. Actually, I'll be away for the afternoon anyways. This isn't a plea for sympathy or anything, lynching me won't "hurt" me or make me angry. So Lynch away! :wink:
Askthepizzaguy
06-29-2010, 16:57
TheFlax needs to die on principle. No townie should even be that scummy.
unvote, vote: TheFlax
I'm sorry about your RL issues, Flax. :(
Askthepizzaguy
06-29-2010, 17:05
In case it makes you cheer up, I loves you Flaxy. More than a pizza should love a flax.
It's nothing personal, it's for the revolution.
Double A
06-29-2010, 17:17
I visited Double A's tent and your tent. Nothing bad happened to you, right? Anyways, I didn't give you the whole truth about my role PM because I was testing reactions. :shrug:
Wait, what?
@everyone: #1A) Can someone confirm if it's possible to protect someone at night, while using another skill? GH at least, should have heard about it, but also the officers.
#1B) Can an officer protect someone and use his officer skill at the same time?
@GH: #2) Was one of the tents visited by TheFlax last night, the tent of the player you asked us to protect?
I am still waiting for answer on these questions, and I understand that the first two could be hard to answer but
Can someone tell us who TheFlax visited last night? Or at least if he visited Double A's tent?
Seriously, I asked this 14 hours ago...
Revolt: yes
propose: revolt
Revolt
Or whatever the correct syntax is.
Very unhappy about not being answered. Very unhappy about the apparent level of commitment from some officers. If they are active behind the scenes, I don't know about it.
ACIN - missed 3 of the last 4 votes, but voting TheFlax this turn.
autolycus - missed the last 2 votes
Seamus - missed 3 of the last 4 votes
Yaseikhaan - missed 2 of the last 3 votes
Also very unhappy about what I heard from the officers this round.
ACIN - "Relax, it's fine, and btw, I'm not telling everything to my chairman, but it's okay."
autolycus - ???
Seamus - ???
Yaseikhaan - ???
GH - Please answer my questions directed to you!
Thus, i still have no idea if TheFlax is a good lynch, but I know that I am about to lose my Clique.
Revoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevolt...
Revolt!!!!
I am still waiting for answer on these questions, and I understand that the first two could be hard to answer but
Can someone tell us who TheFlax visited last night? Or at least if he visited Double A's tent?
He stated that he visited Renata's and Double A's tent last night. Not sure what that implies, but I it doesn't seem to speak against him being scummy.
(BTW: Also sorry about your real life issues, Flax, I've been there and still am. Without knowing your precise situation, let me still tell you, that not talking to anybody is often not the best thing to do.)
He stated that he visited Renata's and Double A's tent last night. Not sure what that implies, but I it doesn't seem to speak against him being scummy.
Yes, TheFlax said it, but he's the accused. I want to hear this from someone else.
I kinda love you for that post, Romanic, even if it is pointless. Maybe because it is pointless. I had no idea the officers' voting records were *that* bad.
About revolts:
If more than 50% of non-officers vote for a revolt (In addition to a lynch), then the Chairman is executed, and one of the revoltees is elected Chairman. All of the Officers revert to their original status. The game then progress to another election stage.
Vote:Revolt should be fine.
About revolts:
If more than 50% of non-officers vote for a revolt (In addition to a lynch), then the Chairman is executed, and one of the revoltees is elected Chairman. All of the Officers revert to their original status. The game then progress to another election stage.
Vote:Revolt should be fine.
Does it mean we have to vote:revolt instead of voting to lynch someone?
No, you can revolt as well as lynch.
And nothing happens if you vote for a revolt, and then it fails, unlike Pirate Ship Mafia. So sleep safe comrades, Bess isn't coming to get you.
seireikhaan
06-29-2010, 19:04
Vote: The Flax
I do not appreciate all of this talk of disloyalty. The kill rates have been remarkably slow, and we've had multiple successful protections. We're not perfect, but I think, overall, we've done a pretty solid job of keeping things in check.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-29-2010, 19:17
Vote: The Flax
I do not appreciate all of this talk of disloyalty. The kill rates have been remarkably slow, and we've had multiple successful protections. We're not perfect, but I think, overall, we've done a pretty solid job of keeping things in check.
At the same time, I think Romanic's right not to immediately trust our authority, no matter how well they are performing. After all, the performance may be directly due to the actions of our highest members.
Actually: Unvote; Vote: Revolt
GeneralHankerchief
06-29-2010, 20:00
TheFlax visited Double A's and Renata's tent last night.
As soon as ACIN logs on he will confirm that I am a loyal Communist.
And yes, I may have been a bit hasty with Secura's vigging, but at that point so far we had killed/executed ZERO enemies, and I don't trust Pinman as far as I can throw him. Can you blame me for wanting results?
Cultured Drizzt fan
06-29-2010, 20:05
whoa guys, Revolt seems a bit hasty. :tongue: I will admit I have my doubts about GH, but it seems like you guys are acting a bit to fast. In fact that kind of trips my capidar.
Vote: ArpeggiateTHIS
Thank you. Edit (@ GH)
CDF, what doubts? And why ArpeggiateTHIS instead of Romanic (or me, or YLC, or anyone else who has expressed doubts of their own)? Also, what do you think of TheFlax and why? You said something about bad lynch, but never explained it.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-29-2010, 20:11
whoa guys, Revolt seems a bit hasty. :tongue: I will admit I have my doubts about GH, but it seems like you guys are acting a bit to fast. In fact that kind of trips my scumdar.
Vote: ArpeggiateTHIS
He said the "S" word, punish him Subo!
And why me rather than Romanic, he's far more self-motivated and profiteering than I am.
Cultured Drizzt fan
06-29-2010, 20:15
He said the "S" word, punish him Subo!
And why me rather than Romanic, he's far more self-motivated and profiteering than I am.
You are the one jumping on the idea with him. And fine, I will change it to "capidar" as in capitalist radar.
Revoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevoltrevolt...
Revolt!!!!
When I read this I felt a sudden wave of affection for you, Romanic... it was refreshing to see someone is keeping track of the Chairman and his officers, and someone who's actually dedicated to change.
The current administration has clearly been inept, I'd wholeheartedly support your motion if I was still alive. Good on you, sir. :3
Can you blame me for wanting results?
So, what happens when my role is revealed? You're not going to get the results that you so heavily desire, unfortunately.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-29-2010, 20:20
You are the one jumping on the idea with him. And fine, I will change it to "capidar" as in capitalist radar.
I didn't "jump on" anything. In fact, I had originally voted to lynch TheFlax earlier, before changing my mind. I even edited my post from cautioning Romanic to agreeing with him, so in truth, it is you that jumped on an idea. Your suggestion to lynch me is based on an excuse.
Besides, you have no evidence whatsoever against me. Go catch some real capitalists.
EDIT: Secura, where's my praise?
One more thing, though, GH:
Please explain the discrepancy between your reaction to Secura, Pinman and yourself as regards the various investigations done.
Secura: suspicious enough to vig despite "loyal" result from Pinman
Pinman: suspicious despite "loyal" result from ACIN (is that what he got? full investigation? or only partial saying he couldn't be recruited?)
GH: "loyal" result from ACIN clears him (full investigation?)
Sorry, two more things: you also never answered my question about Seamus' roleblock target.
I feel like Peter Falk.
Cultured Drizzt fan
06-29-2010, 20:25
Thank you. Edit (@ GH)
CDF, what doubts? And why ArpeggiateTHIS instead of Romanic (or me, or YLC, or anyone else who has expressed doubts of their own)? Also, what do you think of TheFlax and why? You said something about bad lynch, but never explained it.
GH has seemed to make a lot of mistakes, and we have not caught a single Japanese or KMT. So yeah, I have some serious doubts about GH's innocence and devotion to the revolution. ArpeggiateTHIS because he is supporting Romanics attempt. Romanic has been trying to get the Officers desposed all game, so its nothing new. (I would expect that they have had him checked out by now)
I think I am willing to trust the flax when he says he is good. We already lynched beefy over a similar mistake, and he turned out to be good as well.
I didn't "jump on" anything. In fact, I had originally voted to lynch TheFlax earlier, before changing my mind. I even edited my post from cautioning Romanic to agreeing with him, so in truth, it is you that jumped on an idea. Your suggestion to lynch me is based on an excuse.
Besides, you have no evidence whatsoever against me. Go catch some real capitalists.
EDIT: Secura, where's my praise?
:tongue: How the heck am I supposed to know what you edited your post from?
I didn't "jump on" anything. In fact, I had originally voted to lynch TheFlax earlier, before changing my mind. I even edited my post from cautioning Romanic to agreeing with him, so in truth, it is you that jumped on an idea. Your suggestion to lynch me is based on an excuse.
What? Rephrase?
GeneralHankerchief
06-29-2010, 20:30
ACIN didn't investigate Pinman, period. Pinman revealed his role to ACIN and ACIN made a gut call on his loyalty, nothing more. The timeframe was too compressed for ACIN to have done anything on Pinman. All I know was that Pinman investigated Secura the night before he was lynched when he was supposed to be protecting CDF, who luckily had four people on him when he was attacked.
Seamus's protections are and always will be classified. If you meant autolycus's roleblocks, restate your question, because I can't find it.
I suppose the other responses are adequate, but this:
I think I am willing to trust the flax when he says he is good. We already lynched beefy over a similar mistake, and he turned out to be good as well.
ORLY? More pls. I can say I'm a loyal Communist until Shanghai runs out of noodles, but that doesn't mean I am one. Only my actions or a reliable investigation can demonstrate that. Why is Flax's word sufficient?
Secura, where's my praise?
*pats your head and gives you a cookie*
Who's a good Arpeg? :P
Please explain the discrepancy between your reaction to Secura, Pinman and yourself as regards the various investigations done.
Secura: suspicious enough to vig despite "loyal" result from Pinman
Pinman: suspicious despite "loyal" result from ACIN (is that what he got? full investigation? or only partial saying he couldn't be recruited?)
GH: "loyal" result from ACIN clears him (full investigation?)
Couldn't have summarised it better myself; it's clearly one rule for the few, another for the many. I'm surprised everyone's still following such a defunct regime; you might criticise Beskar, but he wouldn't make such mistakes we've seen so far. Testing Beefy's claims on a valuable player like Sasaki? Killing players that have positive scan results? He might be many things, but Beskar isn't foolish to that extent.
Romanic has been trying to get the Officers desposed all game, so its nothing new.
I have been stating the very same thing for the majority of the game; I was fine with GH's appointment until my death, but the majority of his officers just haven't been a presence and it's as though the whole thing has turned very insular. I wasn't actually impressed with some of his choices for officers either, now that I think about it, but I'm sure he saw the greater wisdom in their appointments that others did not.
More people should follow Romanic's example.
Cultured Drizzt fan
06-29-2010, 20:36
I suppose the other responses are adequate, but this:
ORLY? More pls. I can say I'm a loyal Communist until Shanghai runs out of noodles, but that doesn't mean I am one. Only my actions or a reliable investigation can demonstrate that. Why is Flax's word sufficient?
:shrug: Do I need a reason to believe someone? Why shouldn't his word be sufficent? I am willing to believe him, thats all I have to say about it. I am not trying to force you all to agree with me, and I could be wrong, but to be honest as a townie what the heck else do I have to go one but my own gut?
I don't see any result pm's from investigators, I don't see anything. All I know is what is said in the thread by certain people. What else IS there to base my stance on but a persons word?
ACIN didn't investigate Pinman, period.
Ah. That clears that up nicely.
Seamus's protections are and always will be classified. If you meant autolycus's roleblocks, restate your question, because I can't find it.
Autolycus, yes; got the roles confused. I wanted to know who he roleblocked, in light of last night's actionos, or lack thereof.
Deadline reached, somewhat late, but deadline will commence shortly.
NOTE: If it takes too long, past 21:30 my time, I'm delaying it until tomorrow, as I have an important exam tomorrow. Happily for me, it is my last one. And if I fail to have gotten the grades that I need to achieve to get into university, I'm holding you al responsible :P
I don't see any result pm's from investigators, I don't see anything. All I know is what is said in the thread by certain people. What else IS there to base my stance on but a persons word?
I suppose anything to suggest why you would believe his word, when KMT and Japanese and serial killers (oh my) have every reason to lie their little tushies off. What makes you think him innocent? If it's just gut feeling ... fair enough I guess, but it's not much to go on when you're defending someone I believe to be no loyal Communist.
Cultured Drizzt fan
06-29-2010, 20:42
I suppose anything to suggest why you would believe his word, when KMT and Japanese and serial killers (oh my) have every reason to lie their little tushies off. What makes you think him innocent? If it's just gut feeling ... fair enough I guess, but it's not much to go on when you're defending someone I believe to be no loyal Communist.
:shrug: I honestly have no good reason to think him innocent. But I still do. Your pressing for something I don't have.
@ArpThis : You don't need to unvote to support a revolt, as Subo said. They're different votes, so you can vote for a lynch and a revolt at the same time.
I do not appreciate all of this talk of disloyalty. The kill rates have been remarkably slow, and we've had multiple successful protections. We're not perfect, but I think, overall, we've done a pretty solid job of keeping things in check.@khaan: And I don't appreciate inactivity about officers, so we're even. As far as I'm concerned successful protection mean :daisy: all. What I want to see from our leaders is good investigations and successful lynches of KMT/Japanese members, not some small successes like you describe.
It would help if I didn't have the impression that some, most of you, are slacking!
Romanic has been trying to get the Officers desposed all game, so its nothing new. (I would expect that they have had him checked out by now)
@CDF: Hah, that's totally false. Go read again. I have not been trying to get a revolt. I've stated my discontentment on some points, but never at a rebelling level.
GeneralHankerchief
06-29-2010, 21:11
Attention PEXDET:
Obviously, there's been some dissatisfaction with the way I'm running things. That's fine, any leader who's unwilling to take some criticism is nothing more than a tyrant and deserves to be overthrown. However, some of the allegations against my regime are just plain ridiculous (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/WallBanger?from=Main.WallBanger).
First, my track record so far. Some of you have pointed out that we have yet to kill or lynch a single Japanese or KMT. Yes, this happens. This is Mafia. Unless in extreme circumstances, the first half of the game is usually filled with mistakes. This is what I like to call "whittling down the player base". Harsh, but true. While we may be lynching the wrong people, in the meantime, we're getting work done. We are building up investigation databases and records of in-thread behavior. And soon, the walls will close around the enemy. Thanks to the work we have done in the first half of the game, we will hunt down and kill the enemy in the second half. And there's nothing they can do about it.
Second, the officers. Yes, they aren't as active as I would like. However, they are loyal. Sorry, but I'm keeping them.
Third, allow me to point out the exact consequences of a revolution, since some of you clearly haven't thought it through. Number one, four loyal, unconvertable officers become just that - convertable. All of them to some extent have access to classified information that would be absolutely deadly in the hands of the enemy. Number two, the new regime loses several days of work, having to re-investigate everyone and re-establish the network. That's time we can't afford to lose. And number three, there's no guarantee that whoever you elect to take my place is even a loyal Communist.
Thank you for understanding, and please continue to get your orders in tonight. If I took even one night off, that would be a very deadly blow for all of us.
Number one, four loyal, unconvertable officers become just that - convertable.
Is that true? It's not in the rules. Of course such a thing makes it less interesting to revolt, as we'd be giving 4 easy convertible targets to our enemies.
GeneralHankerchief
06-29-2010, 21:19
Is that true? It's not in the rules. Of course such a thing makes it less interesting to revolt, as we'd be giving 4 easy convertible targets to our enemies.
It was the case in Pirate Ship. I know in at least one instance, somebody got promoted to an officership since they were found to be susceptable to recruitment and wanted to make him immune to conversion.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-29-2010, 21:20
Is that true? It's not in the rules. Of course such a thing makes it less interesting to revolt, as we'd be giving 4 easy convertible targets to our enemies.
It is still important to learn from the mistakes we've made in previous games, namely that shady figures can be appointed high-powered roles. Not pointing the finger (I have a severe lack of evidence and there isn't anything too bad about who we've got at the moment), but I think we should stop regarding the elite as a "safe" body.
We should keep them on their toes.
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