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What is this?
You are not actually going to frame me after all? Color me unconvinced.
a completely inoffensive name
07-09-2010, 11:49
What is this?
You are not actually going to frame me after all? Color me unconvinced.
Consider yourself lucky.
EDIT: By that, I am saying don't bite the hand that just fed you.
GeneralHankerchief
07-09-2010, 11:50
What is this?
You are not actually going to frame me after all? Color me unconvinced.
No Sigurd, I'm not trying to frame you. As you have been confirmed to be a loyal member of PEXDET, you're obviously more useful to everyone alive. I might shut you out of the Officer's Club out of spite for this little stunt, but that's a different story.
Votes off Sigurd please. ACIN as well. Let's put them on a neutral target. I will explain at the end of the round.
Well, this is very weird. Why don't you explain it now? And who do you consider to be a "neutral" target?
a completely inoffensive name
07-09-2010, 12:18
I don't think we should say. It would put people at risk. There are possibly KMT and Japs in this group and we need to reserve info until our full group is back together. In all likeness there are probably KMT and Japs on both sides of the river, we should not assume that our enemies are simply on the other side and start divulging the roles of everyone to everyone.
I can understand that and I believe you that Sigurd is innocent. But still, why say it at the end of the round? And who do you suggest to vote for instead of Sigurd. I dunno much about who has been cleared and who not. :shrug:
NO! LYNCH Sigurd. I was enjoying that!
It has to be either Joooray or Death is Yonder; they're the only other two who could have broken up the protection group. I don't see sufficient motive for DiY to put himself in the crosshairs; he was not likely to be today's lynch or tonight's investigation. Joooray was.
vote Joooray
As for Sigurd, for god's sake tone it down and present your suspicions logically, if you're not just stirring up a hornet's nest for its own sake. There must be something real in there under it all, but I'm not seeing it amongst the nonsense.
GH has presided over the outing of two KMT members, via the tracker (Pinman and Flax). He is almost certainly not KMT. Japanese is an open question; you not being Japanese removes any indications on that front. Either way, I expect the only way he can be disloyal is if one of the following two things is true:
1. He's a godfather (investigation-proof). There's nothing we can or should do about this possibility at this point, IMO. There's too much risk of damage if it's not true; nor are his actions completely unconstrained if it is (he has other officers around him giving input); so he should be given every reasonable chance to prove himself.
2. He *and* ACIN *and* whoever investigated ACIN are all disloyal (or only the first two, and it's ACIN who is the godfather). It might be possible to rule this in or out by putting together a table of known actions by everyone, but I don't have the information to do this. I'd be interested to see what Seamus and autolycus (if/when he gets back) think about it.
Any of the individual officers could be a godfather (or protected by ACIN, if he is), and as with GH I think there's nothing productive to be done about it but wait and watch, and track verifiable actions. And see who winds up dead, i suppose, given Khaan's example.
NO! LYNCH Sigurd. I was enjoying that!
Back in your coffer, worm-feed. Your little ploy didn't work.
As for Sigurd, for god's sake tone it down and present your suspicions logically, if you're not just stirring up a hornet's nest for its own sake. There must be something real in there under it all, but I'm not seeing it amongst the nonsense.
Blame the KMT frame plot. They brought an old friend to this game. Those of you who played Godfather 2 knows him well... :beam:
Any of the individual officers could be a godfather (or protected by ACIN, if he is), and as with GH I think there's nothing productive to be done about it but wait and watch, and track verifiable actions. And see who winds up dead, i suppose, given Khaan's example.There is always the revolt option...
unvote
I don't consider that productive. Who would you replace him with, who wouldn't have the same drawbacks as he does and even less of a record of killing counter-revolutionaries?
True, our pt group being broken makes this whole thing really odd. I know, that I'm not Japanese or KMT, so if Sigurd is proven to not being anti-town, that only leaves DIY.
Vote: Death is Yonder
Still, I don't know why he would put himself out in the open like that. He only now joined our pt group and it was openly announced that Sigurd would be investigated.
BTW: I don't see how I was likely to be lynched this round even without someone dying last night that I happened to be protecting. GH was aware of all my actions the last nights and I don't know what would warranted a lynch of myself.
Death is yonder
07-09-2010, 14:28
Since the results on Sigurd came back negative, I will:
Unvote: Sigurd
However I'd like to raise a mild possibility similar to Daggers in the Night where the usage of (unknown) special abilities ended up in a lot of issues.
Presumably, Joooray needs to either be lynched or checked out, since Sigurd is still in the lead which needs to be removed:
Vote: Joooray
I know, that I'm not Japanese or KMT, so if Sigurd is proven to not being anti-town, that only leaves DIY.
Refreshed to preview my post and saw this :tongue:
Works both ways mate.
I don't consider that productive. Who would you replace him with, who wouldn't have the same drawbacks as he does and even less of a record of killing counter-revolutionaries?
I'd like to echo this sentiment Sigurd. A revolt right now is highly extreme, and weighing in the risk (especially in duration wasted to allocate time for ensuring reliability of the new leaders) its just not feasible.
Since Sigurd is not the man we are looking for, and obviously I'm not going to vote for myself, that leaves me with either Joooray or a random possibility being true.
True, our pt group being broken makes this whole thing really odd. I know, that I'm not Japanese or KMT, so if Sigurd is proven to not being anti-town, that only leaves DIY.
Vote: Death is Yonder
Lastly, you need to also recognize that similarly, I have no rational for putting myself in the open. It would be just plain silly, I was not in the lead for suspicion, I was not getting investigated, I had proven my worth (in a way) to GH by protecting with some success on his behalf practically every round since day 1.
It would just make no sense at all for me to put myself in the open like this. Even if it was a frame attempt that succeeded in getting someone else lynched, I would be next on the chopping block (investigation/lynch/whatever)
Unvote, Vote: Capt. Blackadder
So far, Captain Blackadder has been largely silent, and quick to embark on whatever bandwagon that forms. When I pressed him to explain what was my case, he explained nothing and and then became silent. Furthermore his entire behaviour stinks of reactionary, right-wing imperialism.
Works both ways mate.
Lastly, you need to also recognize that similarly, I have no rational for putting myself in the open. It would be just plain silly, I was not in the lead for suspicion, I was not getting investigated, I had proven my worth (in a way) to GH by protecting with some success on his behalf practically every round since day 1.
It would just make no sense at all for me to put myself in the open like this. Even if it was a frame attempt that succeeded in getting someone else lynched, I would be next on the chopping block (investigation/lynch/whatever)
Fair enough.
Also, what I found odd was that there was nobody showing up for the protection in the write up at all. I dunno how Subo does it and it might be different to other games here, but normally you would suspect to see some people showing up but in the end failing because of the lack of numbers. Either Subo has a different policy when it comes to this or it might point to a special ability the jap officer has. Also there it the possibility of one of us being blocked and the leak being somewhere else, but that would involve a lot of knowledge someone outside the officer circle won't be able to obtain.
I know it looks bad for either one of the three of the pt group last night, but may I suggest that we are rather checked than being lynched?
Dunno about an alternative lynch candidate though, because as I said, I dunno who is cleared and who is not.
Seamus Fermanagh
07-09-2010, 16:02
Unvote: Sigurd
Vote: Death is Yonder
-- hard call between the two. Sigurd was my #1 target.
Theory One: One of the two is guilty, getting our operative killed.
Theory Two: Sigurd and GH are working together and letting their very public dispute serve as a reverse form of cover.
Theory two seems less likely, obviously.
Seamus Fermanagh
07-09-2010, 16:02
Crudlings.
Let's do this correctly:
Unvote: Sigurd
Vote: Death is Yonder
Unvote, Vote: Capt. Blackadder
So far, Captain Blackadder has been largely silent, and quick to embark on whatever bandwagon that forms. When I pressed him to explain what was my case, he explained nothing and and then became silent. Furthermore his entire behaviour stinks of reactionary, right-wing imperialism.
While I agree with all of that, even a vote on ACIN would make more sense than one on Captain Blackadder right at the moment.
a completely inoffensive name
07-09-2010, 18:26
While I agree with all of that, even a vote on ACIN would make more sense than one on Captain Blackadder right at the moment.
Why did I make you my deputy again? You have been investigating with me, why are you suspicious? I can't investigate with you every day and plot some scheme at the same time. When we say "I want to investigate with Renata/ACIN" that takes up my action for the night.
a completely inoffensive name
07-09-2010, 18:30
I will make my choice in 2 hours on who I feel should be voted.
Why did I make you my deputy again? You have been investigating with me, why are you suspicious? I can't investigate with you every day and plot some scheme at the same time. When we say "I want to investigate with Renata/ACIN" that takes up my action for the night.
Paranoia aside, that was more in the way of illustration that a vote on CB completely missed the point than it was actual suspicion directed at you. Somebody messed up the protection on Sigurd; there must have been a reason; and Jolt's not even trying to address that.
Paranoia aside, that was more in the way of illustration that a vote on CB completely missed the point than it was actual suspicion directed at you. Somebody messed up the protection on Sigurd; there must have been a reason; and Jolt's not even trying to address that.
I was already planning on voting for Capt. Blackadder since last day phase. He's behaviour seems too off for me to ignore it. Since Sigurd isn't the culprit, I'd rather go after someone I really suspect of being a counter-revolutionary than going randomly after Joooray or DiY.
a completely inoffensive name
07-09-2010, 20:26
Vote: Joooray that's the plan.
One hour remains until the execution.
PEXDET had just finished their final day of being separated, and it had been a lively and exciting ones at that, and not just because there was a fierce thunder storm. Yaseikhaan's death had cast a long shadow over the Reds, and three Reds in particular. Joooray, Sigurd, and Death is Yonder had all been charged with protecting the Special Operativethe previous night, but as Yaseikhaan's stiff corpse showed, someone had slipped up.
"Seeing as Sigurd was going to be investigated last night, it is entirely possible that he may want to go out in a blaze of glory, like some sort of divine wind." fumed the Chairman "A very Japanese-ish notion, don't you think, fellow Communists?"
"That is completely false!" roared Sigurd "I have done nothing but strive for the victory of the working class against the tyrannical invaders and Japanese subjugators. As your Commissar's investigation will show, I am entirely free of revisionist thought and counter-revolutionary temptations. But furthermore, we must question the leadership of PEXDET, for criticism is not revisionism. I assert that our Chairman is a Master of Puppets (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z-hEyVQDRA), and we are dancing on his strings!"
At this, several of the Communists gulped and agreed with the leadership that such moves were a sign of desperation from a flailing Reactionary. But then the Commissar a completely offensive name spoke up
"I have Dug up evidence that means we should not lynch Sigurd. I can't tell you what it is, but take my word for it; do not lynch Sigurd."
Sigurd sat back smugly confident.
"It's you!" yelled DiY and Joooray at each other. There wasn't much to go on except debating skills, and in the end, DiY just managed to convince the Socialists of his innocence. Joooray was brought forward to the cliff.
GeneralHankerchief made another announcement "Since Yaseikhaan perished last night, my Commissar shall perform the execution today. I also have more news about our ex-Comrades. CDF was a completely and utterly dedicated Marxist, with no qualms about him. arpeggiateTHIS was even more important, as a Soviet Alumnus, he was extremely proficient in using firearms and guns, and his great skills are now surely missed. "
ACIN was not particularly skilled at murdering people, so he decided the cleanest and easiest way would be to just push Joooray off the cliff, as had happened the previous two days. But in the dark and gloom caused by the thunder storm, ACIN misjudged his shove, and Joooray toppled off the cliff edge in a messy stumble, rather than soaring clean off. Jooray hit rocks and bounced on his way down, before getting snagged on a branch fifteen feet down the gorge wall. Seeing his good fortune, he called out to the others:
"Hey, it appears I'm in luck. Oh what a fantastic day, clearly destiny does not intend for me to die here, for I am unlynchable! I shall climb up and join you all sh-"
Before he could finish his sentence, a huge bolt of lightning blasted out of the sky and ripped down the gorge, throwing tendrils of energy across the gorge, searching for a point to reach Earth. Joooray, dangling out into open space on his little branch was the perfect vehicle to do so, and he was blasted by the thunderbolt off the branch. Killed instantly, he Rode the Lightning (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uebInqG1pJI) all the way down the Canyon, before anding with a sizzling splash into the savage rapids below.
Joooray - 3- Renata DiY ACIN
DiY - 2 - Joooray Seamus
Blackadder - 1 - Jolt
North Side Alive: ?
South Side Alive: 10/40
ACIN
Captain Blackadder
Cute Wolf
Death is yonder
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
Joooray
Renata
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd
Lynched players 8/40
Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
TheFlax
YLC
miotas
Joooray
Killed Players 10/40
Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
CDF
aThis
Yaesikhaan
Devoured by Rats - 2
Thermal Mercury
Wishazu
Phase ends in 22 hours at 22:00 GMT+1
GeneralHankerchief
07-10-2010, 00:26
We should be at the bridge in the morning, yes?
Yep. I shall arrange all of that myself.
Well, wrong choice right there.
We shall utterly destroy the right-wing imperialists and score a victory for the revolutionary, socialist masses. Onward comrades!
We shall utterly destroy the right-wing imperialists and score a victory for the revolutionary, socialist masses. Onward comrades!
:laugh4:
Not with lynches like that you won't!
:laugh4:
Not with lynches like that you won't!
Can't agree more. :no:
I apologise for the lateness of the current update, and for once it is not due to my laziness. I have spent the entire day preparing for my final concert with my band and playing it, and I have literally just walked in the door.I shall try and get the write-up in for as early as possible tomorrow morning.
a completely inoffensive name
07-12-2010, 00:34
I think the KMT killed Subo.
Seems like they were afraid of our assault on their fortress after all.
The Communists woke up to find that the thunderstorm which had dispatched Joooray had since passed, and also that no-one else had been dispatched during the night. The Socialists were relieved to see this, and GeneralHankerchief once again took credit for this accomplishment.
"And who knows, maybe all the reactionary thought has been purged from our People's Army, through the leadership of the Party as directed by myself, the Chairman and Party Secretary of the People's Extraordinary Detachment." declared the Chairman and Party Secretary proudly
"Hold on," questioned a Maoist "Since when were you the Party Secretary of this here military force? We did not elect you to such a position!"
"Au contraire" replied GeneralHankerchief (Despite the fact that none of his audience could speak French) "As the supreme Party authority in the region, I have the authority to create and dissolve party titles at will; thus, I have added to my responsibilities that of the Party Secretariat. With the increased power that my new office affords me, I have decided to reshuffle my Officer Corps. Comrade Seamus Fermanagh is relieved of his post as the Medical Officer, and he has been allocated the position of Special Operative. Comrade Jolt has been promoted to the role of Medical Officer! Congratulations you two! You shall be using your new powers shortly, I fear."
For about 200 metres away, over a small hill and down a gentle slop, the Wenti Bridge crossed the Nuqi River. As the Communists had feared, it was patrolled by Kuomintang soldiers. But, thankfully, thanks to the wise leadership of PEXDET, the Reds were well prepared to take the bridge from the clutches of the international Counter-Revolutionary conspiracy. The mountain gun and the mortar which they had dragged with them all this time was about to come in useful.
***
Bu Jingyi was standing on guard on Wenti Bridge. A half hearted defender of the Nationalist cause, he wasn't that much committed to the defence of the Motherland against the invading Japanese. But duty was duty, and he was obligated to defend this bridge. He would actually have much rather have been at home in Sichuan with his young family, tending to his crop, but he had had the misfortune to be conscripted into the National Revolutionary Army. There wasn't much he could do about it except wait his time out, and hopefully eventually get posted to a location where he could slip away from his superiors. He'd heard that only 3/5s of soldiers conscripted into the army actually made it through training, with the rest either dying or going AWOL in the night. Now would be a good time to do it actually. The night was dark, thanks to the new moon, and the clouds obscured the starlight. He couldn't help but think of the time when he-
Pa-CHUNK
What was that? Bu immediately stood up, peering into the darkness without much success. It was certainly not a natural noise, and he picked up his rifle to make sure than nothing human was skulking around in the gloom. He thought he could hear whisperings in the dark, but an annoying whistling from above was preventing him from being able to make out what was said. He better call the Colonel in charge of the guard to see if he could pick anything being said out of the infernal EEEEEEEEE-
Ka-BOOM
The mortar shell slammed into Bu's position with a satisfyingly humongous explosion. The fireball didn't just light up the night sky, it bathing everywhere in sight of the fortress in a cosy orange glow for several seconds, and illuminating the Communists' manic glee. The flames revealed GeneralHankerchief, who was standing on a small hillock with his arm fully outstretched, bellowing an order to the mountain gun crew.
Earth jumped up and the trees shook as the mountain gun fired a shell straight at the Wenti Bridge gate, blowing it to smithereens. Now it was the turn of the Kuomintang to scream and cry out in panic, as the Socialists rushed forced, yelling battle cries and storming the bridge. The Nationalists all ran to the South Bank of the bridge and attempted to fight off the attackers, but to no avail, thanks at least in part to the demon who dropped in from the North Bank. Breathing flame, he belched napalm all over the stone bridge, catching many of the Nationalist grunts unaware, and shortly dead. The demon wielded his flamethrower with skill and self-indulgence, laughing as he did so. But he stumbled in the assault, and his torch swung to the side to engulf Comrade AVSM in liquid fire. He screamed, and attempted to flee from the all-consuming fire, but he only managed to run into the side of the bridge from where he toppled, soaring down into the depths of the Nuqi Gorge like a dying firefly. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKdSUbGbo50&hd=1#t=4m34s)
As the survivors from the North Bank caught the Rightists in a pincer movement, one of the Communists hung back. wideyedwanderer was a bit nervous, as he'd neer fought in a battle before. The screaming, the fire and the explosions all terrified him, and gave him pause. He waited on the North Side of the Gorge, ostensibly protecting the rear from any attempts by the Kuomintang to bring up reinforcements, although he knew as well as anyone that there was no chance of that happening. But, a movement could be seen in the gloom. It wasn't enough to be a reinforcing army, maybe one man at most. Pointing his rifle cautiously, he shuffled over to the rustling, out of sight from the bridge. The man disappeared behind a tree, and wideyedwanderer followed. Sidling around the tree, he couldn't see anything; the man had disappeared.
"Huh. Was probably just another conscript like-"
He was cut short by a sword bursting out of his stomach. He gasped and choked as a voice whispered in his ear
"Just so you know, we're not cowards. We've just been biding our time."
The mystery man then pulled his blade out of wideyedwanderer's belly, and decapitated wideyedwanderer in a one swoop.
When the smoke and all the corpses had been cleared, the Chairman and Party Secretary stood on the wall of the bridge to make a speech
"Welcome back comrades! Reunited, we are are at our strongest...even if we have endured a few casualties along the way. wideyedwanderer's death is of particular concern. As the killers came from the North Bank, they must both have been in the Assault Squad. However, we now know that YLC was in fact a Japanese Soldier, not even a collaborator, but a full-blooded imperialist! Lucky us!"
The Socialists then gathered their packs and set off over the bridge further North, towards Yan'an, though dusty plains and and Gobi sandstorms.
Alive: 16/40
ACIN
ATPG
autolycus
Captain Blackadder
Cute Wolf
Death is yonder
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
Joooray
landlubber
Nictel
Renata
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd
Split
Lynched players 11/40
Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
TheFlax
YLC
miotas
M3YUZ
Romanic
Joooray
Killed Players 12/40
Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
CDF
aThis
Yaesikhaan
wideyedwanderer
Devoured by Rats/Consumed by Flames - 3
Thermal Mercury
Wishazu
AVSM
It is now the day phase. This phase ends in 29 hours at 22:00 GMT+1
Summary thread has been updated.
GeneralHankerchief
07-12-2010, 19:24
Okay North Bankers, a little update:
On the first day, we lynched YLC. He, as we see in the writeup, is Japanese. Nobody was killed at night. The next day miotas got the chop, somewhat randomly. At night we lost Yaseikhaan, who I had assigned protection on. His three protectors were Sigurd, Joooray, and Death is Yonder. Sigurd seemed like the initial suspect, but he came out clear, so we lynched Joooray instead.
*goes off to read North Bank thread*
I just finished:
First day, no lynch.
Second day, wog-bait lynch (M3YUZ).
Third day, lynch of Romanic. All basically encouraged by Pizzaguy, as there was little participation otherwise. (Why such a dramatically different tactic every single day, Pizza? You said something to Romanic about needing to lynch suspects, but Romanic was my own top suspect at the time of the split; I'd made a huge case against him -- why wait three days to even try to lynch him or any other non-WOG-bait suspect?)
No deaths until WEW last night -- Subotan, can you clarify if that was definitely a north bank killer, or was that just for narrative purposes?
autolycus
07-12-2010, 19:46
Renata, we waited to lynch non-WOG bait, because we wanted to minimize casualties when there seemed to be no hostile activity. Fewer casualties meant more time after we reunited for the scanner to operate. I was the one who took us to Romanic more than atpg. He did a lot of ex post facto justification, but if you look at the actual discussion, such as it was, I took us to Romanic.
That was a North Bank killer. If you had failed to bring along the Mountain Gun/Mortar/Flamethrower, then people would have died because of the guards in the bridge.
Askthepizzaguy
07-12-2010, 19:56
A quick answer, as I am stepping out to do job applications and won't be back until late tonight.
I just finished:
First day, no lynch.
This was meant to prompt any guilty parties into being forced to murder. If we had an investigator among us, inaction would have been a death sentence for them.
Nothing happens, and Subotan informs us we cannot do "no lynch" anymore.
Second day, wog-bait lynch (M3YUZ).
Here, we decided if we cannot do "no lynch", we should lynch someone who was utterly useless to us. Sort of the same as a "no lynch", just taking advantage of Subotan's extremely slow WOG process to buy us more time.
Third day, lynch of Romanic. All basically encouraged by Pizzaguy, as there was little participation otherwise. (Why such a dramatically different tactic every single day, Pizza? You said something to Romanic about needing to lynch suspects, but Romanic was my own top suspect at the time of the split; I'd made a huge case against him -- why wait three days to even try to lynch him or any other non-WOG-bait suspect?)
To be honest I hadn't read your case at all. I wasn't even thinking about what the south bank people had suggested as suspects, I was too focused on our thread. It is sheer coincidence that I thought Romanic was scummy, and that was based upon just his own behavior in that thread alone, and a conversation I had with him when he was under pressure. Edit: And yes, autolycus made the call and I endorsed it.
Why I waited that long to suggest a suspect lynch, was because Autolycus was put with our group, and we needed manpower to protect him. If we lynched an active party every day, by the end there wouldn't have been enough people sending in protection orders. He would have been exposed and possibly murdered if we had guessed wrong. Here, we lynched a suspect, and Autolycus is still alive. By the way, iirc none of the protections on Autolycus even functioned. They always had a bad combination of orders (landlubber), people not sending orders (Romanic) or inactive people (AVSM, AVSM, and AVSM). I suggested we get someone besides AVSM to protect Auto, but it never happened. It is out of sheer dumb luck that he is even still alive.
Be back in about 6 hours.
Vote: ATPG
If there was ever a counter-revolutionary behaviour in a Triad game, it is ATPG's behaviour in this game. I've been wanting to vote and lynch him ever since we got separated and I started reading his posts.
You mean post 60? ATPG was already after Romanic by then, though without a vote attached. I don't like his case, and this is coming from someone who had Romanic as a top suspect herself, so you know I'm not just saying this for my health. Those chat transcripts and the attached commentary read like a railroading.
(I dislike no-lynches; I think they're usually bad for the good guys and I'm not convinced this case is different. You could have put the bad guy or bad guys over there under serious pressure even if you ultimately swung things to the no-shows, but until the last day with Romanic, you didn't.)
Edit: this in reply to Autolycus; computer's hanging.
You mean post 60? ATPG was already after Romanic by then, though without a vote attached. I don't like his case, and this is coming from someone who had Romanic as a top suspect herself, so you know I'm not just saying this for my health. Those chat transcripts and the attached commentary read like a railroading.
(I dislike no-lynches; I think they're usually bad for the good guys and I'm not convinced this case is different. You could have put the bad guy or bad guys over there under serious pressure even if you ultimately swung things to the no-shows, but until the last day with Romanic, you didn't.)
Edit: this in reply to Autolycus; computer's hanging.
No, I mean the whole behaviour ever since he said that he couldn't be guilty as he was replacing someone else. And that in itself if revisionist and right-winged too!
Askthepizzaguy
07-12-2010, 20:09
No, I mean the whole behaviour ever since he said that he couldn't be guilty as he was replacing someone else. And that in itself if revisionist and right-winged too!
Please, do quote where I said this.
GeneralHankerchief
07-12-2010, 20:14
Kind of an out-of-character question, but since we're now done with the North Bank thread, how would you all feel about me merging it with this thread? If I remember things correctly, the posts would mesh seamlessly so there isn't a clump of North Bank posts at the end, rather, say, a post made at 12:01 in the North Bank thread would now be between two posts made at 12:00 and 12:02 on the main thread.
Kind of an out-of-character question, but since we're now done with the North Bank thread, how would you all feel about me merging it with this thread? If I remember things correctly, the posts would mesh seamlessly so there isn't a clump of North Bank posts at the end, rather, say, a post made at 12:01 in the North Bank thread would now be between two posts made at 12:00 and 12:02 on the main thread.
I am all for it...
And it seems I was wrong about GH being Japanese since you practically lynched YLC single handedly. Unless... it was to reinforce your alibi?
Double A
07-12-2010, 20:26
That was a North Bank killer. If you had failed to bring along the Mountain Gun/Mortar/Flamethrower, then people would have died because of the guards in the bridge.
What would have happened if we chose the stone bridge?
Please, do quote where I said this.
Ey! I'm not hairy, I'm pleasingly furred.
And no I'm not the hairy man either. I replaced a certain inactive Thermal Mercury, remember?
There we go. After this, I followed most of your posts and the majority of them all struck me as odd.
A quick answer, as I am stepping out to do job applications and won't be back until late tonight.
This was meant to prompt any guilty parties into being forced to murder. If we had an investigator among us, inaction would have been a death sentence for them.
All right, I've been bashing my head on this one for the last ten minutes and I still don't see the logic.
Bad guys present, suspect an investigator: might logically either lie low hoping for safety in numbers or start killing indiscriminately hoping to mess up the protections; a no lynch only encourages continuation of whichever choice has already been made, I don't see how it causes them to switch.
Bad guys present, don't suspect an investigator: kill kill kill? I don't know honestly, but I don't see that a no-lynch does anything either.
Regardless of all of that, why is it a good thing to encourage the bad guys to kill?
Nothing happens, and Subotan informs us we cannot do "no lynch" anymore.
Here, we decided if we cannot do "no lynch", we should lynch someone who was utterly useless to us. Sort of the same as a "no lynch", just taking advantage of Subotan's extremely slow WOG process to buy us more time.
Same thing then. How does this accomplish what you're trying to accomplish, and why is it a good thing if it does?
To be honest I hadn't read your case at all. I wasn't even thinking about what the south bank people had suggested as suspects, I was too focused on our thread. It is sheer coincidence that I thought Romanic was scummy, and that was based upon just his own behavior in that thread alone, and a conversation I had with him when he was under pressure. Edit: And yes, autolycus made the call and I endorsed it.
All right. I can hardly argue with you finding Romanic suspicious, but the manner in which you pursued your case (and more so the justifications for it) is making my skin itch. That whole "I'll be your vote" thing -- geez Pizza, you should know by now that townies don't always jump at your crazy ideas. We're too busy trying to figure out what's in it for you. The other things mostly weren't much better: with 23 minutes left before end of day, what the heck else is Romanic supposed to say if he's a townie besides "your scumdar needs fixing"? More scummy to me is his utter lack of any suspicion towards you in that conversation. Why do you focus on side issues and miss most of the big things?
The Karl Marx quote, by the way, is the default townie one, and there's a sample floating around somewhere. It's obvious you don't realize that, for whatever that means. Which could well be why Romanic laughed. Or because he really did have that as a starting PM, if he's a recruit.
Why I waited that long to suggest a suspect lynch, was because Autolycus was put with our group, and we needed manpower to protect him. If we lynched an active party every day, by the end there wouldn't have been enough people sending in protection orders.
That doesn't explain the no-lynch, which along with what seemed like a conspicuous avoidance of lynching AVSM, is more and more the crux of my issue with you -- the conversation with Romanic is reading more as "typical Pizza" the more I go over it, which doesn't make it any less aggravating.
He would have been exposed and possibly murdered if we had guessed wrong. Here, we lynched a suspect, and Autolycus is still alive. By the way, iirc none of the protections on Autolycus even functioned. They always had a bad combination of orders (landlubber), people not sending orders (Romanic) or inactive people (AVSM, AVSM, and AVSM). I suggested we get someone besides AVSM to protect Auto, but it never happened. It is out of sheer dumb luck that he is even still alive.
This is interesting. AVSM in Autolycus' protection group, every night? What possible justification could there be for that and whose idea was it? And who knew?
Kind of an out-of-character question, but since we're now done with the North Bank thread, how would you all feel about me merging it with this thread? If I remember things correctly, the posts would mesh seamlessly so there isn't a clump of North Bank posts at the end, rather, say, a post made at 12:01 in the North Bank thread would now be between two posts made at 12:00 and 12:02 on the main thread.
Too confusing, IMO.
Double A
07-12-2010, 21:26
They're better separate.
What would have happened if we chose the stone bridge?
You'll never know... :3
Double A
07-12-2010, 22:55
I just got through explaining this to someone on CFC. Only girls can use that smiley!
It's genuinely creepy if a guy does it.
GeneralHankerchief
07-12-2010, 23:00
ATPG, before the group split up, what did you do at night?
I'd also like landlubber to answer that question.
It's genuinely creepy if a guy does it.
Leave Subochan alone! :3
Askthepizzaguy
07-12-2010, 23:07
There we go. After this, I followed most of your posts and the majority of them all struck me as odd.
No, this did prove I wasn't the hairy man. It doesn't prove I am not Japanese or KMT, and that is a distinction you should be able to make.
I am fine with being today's lynch, because I may not be able to play anymore.
Splitpersonality
07-12-2010, 23:15
I just got through explaining this to someone on CFC. Only girls can use that smiley!
It's genuinely creepy if a guy does it.
How dare you say that
:3
Double A
07-12-2010, 23:28
Leave Subochan alone! :3
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How dare you say that
:3
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wideyedwanderer
07-12-2010, 23:45
I was thinking my killer may have been one of the two people I accused of being suspicious, Nictel, or ATPG. I was part of the protection group, so the killer may have been aiming to disrupt that. But it would be kinda stupid of them to kill me right after I accuse them, so I'm thinking they may have been framed...
Double A
07-12-2010, 23:51
I was thinking my killer may have been one of the two people I accused of being suspicious, Nictel, or ATPG. I was part of the protection group, so the killer may have been aiming to disrupt that. But it would be kinda stupid of them to kill me right after I accuse them, so I'm thinking they may have been framed...
There's an app for that.
Anyway... GH, what have our investigators found out over night? Anything worth the Revolution's full attention?
GeneralHankerchief
07-12-2010, 23:56
Nope, though I would very much prefer it if the lynch option was someone from the North Bank.
DELETE_THIS
07-13-2010, 00:56
I agree that the whole North Bank is under suspicion, ATPG took a very active role, I've seen him do so both as innocent and mafia. So unsure of what to think of it, still very suspicious though. However I feel that landlubber tried to hide while in/on the north bank. Starting with asking others what to do:
So, Comrades, what next?
Followed by a post of not wanting to decrease the possible candidates or wanting to seem that the whole group is innocent?:
I'm a little uneasy about lynching. Just because we have so little numbers and no conclusive evidence.
Still he goes on voting for M3YUZ and AVSM but only AFTER several other people have done so, as if not wanting to draw attention to him.
I feel that he tried to hide and as such vote: landlubber
Why the focus on the North Bank? Afaik the only enemy activity we've seen in the last 3 days was Yaseikhaan being killed by a Japanese Officer, on the south bank. Granted that our enemies could have been laying low on either side, but we know that at least one of the South Bank members is a Japanese Officer.
Seamus Fermanagh
07-13-2010, 01:18
We don't believe that the North Bank killer is a Jappo. The text implies he was KMT..."biding time." If GH is saying no on the Jooray/YLC choice, you can be reasonably sure that the investigations are afoot.
ATPG: Were you on an ulterior agenda or was you penchant for "running the show" driving you to do something....
landlubber
07-13-2010, 01:25
I'd also like landlubber to answer that question.
I was part of a few protection groups that never developed into actual cliques. I don't have any night abilities.
wideyedwanderer
07-13-2010, 02:12
Why the focus on the North Bank? Afaik the only enemy activity we've seen in the last 3 days was Yaseikhaan being killed by a Japanese Officer, on the south bank. Granted that our enemies could have been laying low on either side, but we know that at least one of the South Bank members is a Japanese Officer.
We know for sure there was a killer on the North Bank, and there are only 8 people to choose from. Seems like a pretty good place to start.
Having played with him in past games, I think landlubber has a tendency to follow others, even when innocent. If it helps any, he was part of the protection group.
Nictel, you also weren't very active on the north side.
We know for sure there was a killer on the North Bank, and there are only 8 people to choose from. Seems like a pretty good place to start.
How do we know for sure that there was a killer on the North Bank? We haven't seen any enemy activity on this bank for 3 days. Are you mixing up the banks?
wideyedwanderer
07-13-2010, 05:09
I was killed by a KMT. It was someone from the North Bank group.
I was killed by a KMT. It was someone from the North Bank group.
We were reunited last night, so I don't think your killer was necessarily from the North Bank. I think he could be any of us alive.
edit: Appears I was wrong.
Captain Blackadder
07-13-2010, 08:26
My dear comrade you are mistaken the one known as wide eyed was killed before the assault on the bridge the words of Subotan say it is so
That was a North Bank killer. If you had failed to bring along the Mountain Gun/Mortar/Flamethrower, then people would have died because of the guards in the bridge.
My dear comrade you are mistaken the one known as wide eyed was killed before the assault on the bridge the words of Subotan say it is so
Hah, I missed that one it seems. Thanks for pointing that out.
Then we have at least a Japanese Officer on the South Bank, and a KMT member on the North Bank (unless the Japanese Officer was Joooray who was lynched on Day 10, after the last South Bank murder on Night 9).
KMT member (5) : ATPG, autolycus, landlubber, Nictel, Split.
Japanese Officer (10): ACIN, Blackadder, Cute Wolf, DiY, Double A, GH, Jolt, Renata, Seamus, Sigurd.
Now I do agree that we should look for the KMT member on the North Bank, as there's only 5 of them left.
Splitpersonality
07-13-2010, 08:57
The obvious vote for north bank would either be Nictel (hiding in inactivity) or ATPG (hiding in a very pro-town way, not something ATPG wouldn't do)
to question autolycus at this point would be to question GH, and I don't believe that will accomplish anything now.
Landlubber I am unsure about, he's more active than me, but less than ATPG... :shrug:
Askthepizzaguy
07-13-2010, 08:57
Lazyness and drinking are against the revolutionary masses! It is the peasants who work hard to toil the fields and do not have the luxury to dissipate in wine or other assorted pleasures. If the example does not come from above, how can we exhort the people to sacrifice themselves for the revolution? For this breach of strictness you are condemned to death.
Vote: Beefy
Lovely roleplaying, and yet, no substance.
Vote: Jolt
As alternative to abstain, as I have no clue who may or may not be guilty.
That didn't stop you from voting before.... and for actual suspects, either.
Renata also meant making investigations on me. I am still waiting for somebody to come up with those results.
Vote: Jolt
Jolt seems to think he is the best lynch. Until....
Ah, there we go.
FOS: Sigurd, Yaseikhaan, Capt. Blackadder
Unvote; Vote: Miotas
Other people vote for him. In which case, oh no.... bad idea.
Vote: Sigurd
I'm still interesting in hearing his investigation results too, though.
Certainly good at voting for himself, quoting party propaganda, and following.
That, plus his vote for me, frustrates my nostrils.
Vote: Jolt
Askthepizzaguy
07-13-2010, 09:19
All right, I've been bashing my head on this one for the last ten minutes and I still don't see the logic. Bad guys present, suspect an investigator: might logically either lie low hoping for safety in numbers or start killing indiscriminately hoping to mess up the protections; a no lynch only encourages continuation of whichever choice has already been made, I don't see how it causes them to switch. Bad guys present, don't suspect an investigator: kill kill kill? I don't know honestly, but I don't see that a no-lynch does anything either. Regardless of all of that, why is it a good thing to encourage the bad guys to kill? Same thing then. How does this accomplish what you're trying to accomplish, and why is it a good thing if it does? All right. I can hardly argue with you finding Romanic suspicious, but the manner in which you pursued your case (and more so the justifications for it) is making my skin itch. That whole "I'll be your vote" thing -- geez Pizza, you should know by now that townies don't always jump at your crazy ideas. We're too busy trying to figure out what's in it for you. The other things mostly weren't much better: with 23 minutes left before end of day, what the heck else is Romanic supposed to say if he's a townie besides "your scumdar needs fixing"? More scummy to me is his utter lack of any suspicion towards you in that conversation. Why do you focus on side issues and miss most of the big things? The Karl Marx quote, by the way, is the default townie one, and there's a sample floating around somewhere. It's obvious you don't realize that, for whatever that means. Which could well be why Romanic laughed. Or because he really did have that as a starting PM, if he's a recruit.
I read this, and as much as I'd like to respond point by point, most of the issue above ^ here is that we view things differently. I am not sure I could convince you my way is better, especially because it's not, by rule, better. Whichever method is better depends entirely on the results; if a traitor is caught by such a method. A lot of what I do is often throwing stuff at the wall until it sticks; not much of it is necessarily well-constructed or thought out completely. I am trading on whatever rep I have in the hopes that any pressure I put on someone, whether it is at all reasonable, acts just as good as a serious case. When lacking proper evidence, I can still point the finger of suspicion and put the vote of death on someone. If I just keep talking it might eventually sound like I know what I'm talking about. Or perhaps I just exhaust my opponent. Whatever gets the job done. If the person in question is guilty, then what I am saying doesn't matter as much as the fact that I am saying it, and I won't shut up about them being suspect and needing to be lynched. Whether it's an ironclad case or not, it is still a pain in the buttocks and potentially deadly.
In Matrix-like fashion, I declare that there is no spoon. I could recite poetry as my case, it could be bad poetry, and as long as I am voting for the correct person, it still works. However, whenever possible I do try to reveal my thought process and/or any evidence.
That doesn't explain the no-lynch, which along with what seemed like a conspicuous avoidance of lynching AVSM, is more and more the crux of my issue with you -- the conversation with Romanic is reading more as "typical Pizza" the more I go over it, which doesn't make it any less aggravating.
:laugh4: Don't read it! You'll give yourself a headache.
This is interesting. AVSM in Autolycus' protection group, every night? What possible justification could there be for that and whose idea was it? And who knew?
I complained about it, but it was Autolycus' call. It's his life to risk. but I advocated putting 4+ people in the group on him right away. What irritates me is that AVSM even posted once in that thread, which said something along the lines of "I always show up to avoid the WOG", after I expressed faux surprise and alarm that he hadn't posted or voted.
If it helps, here's a status on the KMT as seen by me:
Night 2: One of us was successfully converted by a KMT Officer.
Night 4: Psychonaut is killed by the Japanese and revealed later as a KMT agent.
Night 5: One of us was successfully converted by a KMT Officer.
Day 6: Pinman is lynched and revealed later as a KMT convert.
Night 6: Failed conversion attempt on DiY.
Day 7: TheFlax is lynched and revealed later as a KMT convert.
Night 7: One of us was successfully converted by the KMT (unclear if it's an officer).
3 convertions, and 2 converts killed, so there's one left. We also know there's at least an officer around because N5 shows a conversion by an officer so it couldn't have been Psychonaut.
So, 2+ KMT members to find: One officer and one convert, maybe more. (unless of course they were killed after Day 8 -> corpse investigation will reveal later if we got one from: M3YUZ, miotas, khaan, Joooray and WEW.)
Yeah, and you could add me in the above list, but this is "as seen by me", and I know that I wasn't KMT. :smug2:
*****
As for the Japanese, we don't know much because they're not converting us. YLC was a Japanese soldier, and we know there's at least one Japanese Officer doing a lot of killing.
Askthepizzaguy
07-13-2010, 09:50
The obvious vote for north bank would either be Nictel (hiding in inactivity) or ATPG (hiding in a very pro-town way, not something ATPG wouldn't do)
to question autolycus at this point would be to question GH, and I don't believe that will accomplish anything now.
Landlubber I am unsure about, he's more active than me, but less than ATPG... :shrug:
Actually, I have better.
I pointed out to Split that this entire post says absolutely nothing; and that his accusations have been against everyone in the North bank, besides himself. He says "I know, it's annoying". I ask him why, and he says because he was waiting for someone to call him out on this.... if he were guilty he'd just be given a free pass to do nothing and say nothing and accuse everyone, which is the same as accusing no one. So I am only too happy to oblige.
Splitpersonality, I hereby accuse you...
of being a smart :clown:. This is something you are clearly guilty of. Don't ever change. :wiseguy:
Splitpersonality
07-13-2010, 09:56
Actually, I have better.
I pointed out to Split that this entire post says absolutely nothing; and that his accusations have been against everyone in the North bank, besides himself. He says "I know, it's annoying". I ask him why, and he says because he was waiting for someone to call him out on this.... if he were guilty he'd just be given a free pass to do nothing and say nothing and accuse everyone, which is the same as accusing no one. So I am only too happy to oblige.
Splitpersonality, I hereby accuse you...
of being a smart :clown:. This is something you are clearly guilty of. Don't ever change. :wiseguy:
:laugh4:
<3
GeneralHankerchief
07-13-2010, 11:29
Jolt is a confirmed innocent and an officer. He should not be receiving any votes.
DELETE_THIS
07-13-2010, 11:32
I could point out that I only hide in inactivity when I'm a vanilla townie, or neutral as in the star fox game. The moment I became a bit more active there I immediately was lynched so pardon me for not doing so here.
Askthepizzaguy
07-13-2010, 13:19
Jolt is a confirmed innocent and an officer. He should not be receiving any votes.
Very well.... I was hoping I would not have to unleash this baby, but I've been given no other alternative.
vote: shlin28.
I don't see any reason for him to vote for the officers. Seems like he's almost acting scummy on purpose.
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Vote:Niklas.
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Who am I to question the Chairman?
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Agree:Wenti.
Shaking head smiley face. :no:
I was part of a few protection groups that never developed into actual cliques. I don't have any night abilities.
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unvote, vote: landlubber
vote: AtPG
That should tie it up. Whose is the next move?
Death is yonder
07-13-2010, 14:40
I agree that the whole North Bank is under suspicion, ATPG took a very active role, I've seen him do so both as innocent and mafia. So unsure of what to think of it, still very suspicious though. However I feel that landlubber tried to hide while in/on the north bank. Starting with asking others what to do:
Followed by a post of not wanting to decrease the possible candidates or wanting to seem that the whole group is innocent?:
Still he goes on voting for M3YUZ and AVSM but only AFTER several other people have done so, as if not wanting to draw attention to him.
I feel that he tried to hide and as such vote: landlubber
The current situation is fairly odd.
ATPG currently strikes me as trying too hard to die, he's doing things that ordinarily would get him lynched. I have no idea on any possible motives other than a possible desire to have fun before his participation in games might suddenly drop to zero.
Yet, he also mentioned "feel free to lynch him as he might not be around soon anyway".
Then again, landlubber presents a plausible suspect. Furthermore, GH stated that he would prefer if today's lynch was someone from the North Bank, IMO probably because that since there was a KMT/Jap guy who killed WEW from the North Side, probability of hitting an imperialist/nationalist is actually pretty good as opposed to ATPG who clearly has some sort of suicidal wish.
(OTOH, ATPG is anything but the norm, so the scenario at hand is as mentioned, fairly odd)
I will:
Vote: landlubber
Query: Is the current plan to retain a tie? If so, I will unvote and leave it to the officers/chairman's discretion.
Cute Wolf
07-13-2010, 14:44
vote : Renata so I'm not got eaten by rats or engulfed by flames
--> now back to my modding works....
Death is yonder
07-13-2010, 14:45
Hmm, after reading the north side's thread, I note that ATPG's behavior seemed slightly askew.
The whole nature of the MSN Convo fiasco further complicates my decision.
Clarification on whether the preferred choice of lynch is either ATPG/landlubber, or whether the chairman/officers would like to retain a tie, please.
Edit:
vote : Renata so I'm not got eaten by rats or engulfed by flames
--> now back to my modding works....
Of all the possible votes... you chose Renata? :inquisitive:
autolycus
07-13-2010, 15:30
I believe the preference of my colleagues for today is vote:landlubber.
Double A
07-13-2010, 15:51
Pizza has very clearly and finally lost it. And I bet it's my fault, too.
Maybe something's been triggered that makes him a joker?
The current situation is fairly odd.
ATPG currently strikes me as trying too hard to die, he's doing things that ordinarily would get him lynched. I have no idea on any possible motives other than a possible desire to have fun before his participation in games might suddenly drop to zero.
Yet, he also mentioned "feel free to lynch him as he might not be around soon anyway".
Then again, landlubber presents a plausible suspect. Furthermore, GH stated that he would prefer if today's lynch was someone from the North Bank, IMO probably because that since there was a KMT/Jap guy who killed WEW from the North Side, probability of hitting an imperialist/nationalist is actually pretty good as opposed to ATPG who clearly has some sort of suicidal wish.
(OTOH, ATPG is anything but the norm, so the scenario at hand is as mentioned, fairly odd)
I will:
Vote: landlubber
Query: Is the current plan to retain a tie? If so, I will unvote and leave it to the officers/chairman's discretion.
There's no plan I'm aware of. I'm OK with lynching landlubber -- the case on him is adequate -- but I was hoping that a few more comments might turn up in the meantime from other suspects. Seems they're not inclined.
unvote, vote: landlubber
Clearly ATPG is KMT... it is obvious for all to see.
Just look at his wall of texts and specially his size 4 text.
Do we really need more evidence?
vote: ATPG
Hmm, after reading the north side's thread, I note that ATPG's behavior seemed slightly askew.
The whole nature of the MSN Convo fiasco further complicates my decision.
Clarification on whether the preferred choice of lynch is either ATPG/landlubber, or whether the chairman/officers would like to retain a tie, please.
Edit:
Of all the possible votes... you chose Renata? :inquisitive:
It's his top-notch scumdar. Gets me every time.
landlubber
07-13-2010, 18:33
Well, it's too late in the phase for me to turn this lynch around. I would try to put up a defense, but I'm tired, so I'll just let my lynch go forward.
Congrats. You just lynched a Maoist.
You still have another 2 and a half hours.
Seamus Fermanagh
07-13-2010, 20:09
Vote: Comrade askthepizzaguy because I do not think he's so much of a comrade....
GeneralHankerchief
07-13-2010, 20:45
ATTENTION EVERYONE:
I realize this is late in the round, but I only just now got the investigation results back. This has been done via an independent source. Renata is Japanese and has created a minor infiltration into the Officer Corps.
This is going to be problematic as the last few investigations have been tainted. First things first though, let's lynch us a Jap.
Damn convenient timing, GH.
Cute Wolf
07-13-2010, 20:57
Damn convenient timing, GH.
why are u cursing GH? you just prove that was right from your own mouth then ..... Nippo :grin:
autolycus
07-13-2010, 21:04
Ok Unvote: Vote: Renata
why are u cursing GH? you just prove that was right from your own mouth then ..... Nippo :grin:
Because it's BS, and there's no time for me to defend myself or type out where I think this is coming from and why.
From ACIN:
(omit my info on diy). I never saw a PM from ACIN, so I don't know if there's any more coming.
I forgot to forward it to you and GH, but I did send my PM so I got the info on him.
ACIN has always CC'd me on our shared investigation (I get the weapons susceptibility; he gets the rest), but not this time. What's your "outside source", ACIN? I don't think there is one; I think you made this up yourself.
I've been holding this in for weeks, because there is no way it's going to stick until everyone has been investigated by ACIN who possibly can be, and that's only a couple of days away, but it'll be too late for me. Look at ACIN's behavior around the Pinman lynch. He's waffling all over the damn place. I can't believe that's been ignored on the word of one unaccountable investigator. Tell me if I'm right on this -- the person who investigated ACIN is the same person as killed JHT and Winston, right? JHT's opposite number? Because there was that one day delay between it becoming entirely obvious that JHT was the target of Winston's killer and that player actually killing JHT -- why the delay? An investigation of your otherwise unaccountable Cop, before the investigation power was taken away by JHT's death. Only JHT himself said he did not believe his investigations could tell the difference between Communists, KMT, and Japanese.
And now I get falsely accused only an hour before the end of the day. Why NOW? It might not even work!
GeneralHankerchief
07-13-2010, 21:49
Nope, different investigator.
For me, for ACIN, or both?
GeneralHankerchief
07-13-2010, 21:58
Put down your katana when you say that, it's much more convincing that way.
At least you have a sense of humor about it.
Deadline reached. Commencing write-up. (It will be soon, I promise)
The Revolutionaries had been exchanging weird tales of their separation, such as how YLC had jumped to his death, Joooray's electrocution and what possessed the North Bankers to lynch two people. But the action on Wenti Bridge proved that there was at least two Counter-Revolutionaries amongst the North, and so two candidates quickly emerged as the Socialist's suspects. askthepizzaguy, the foundling, was one of the candidates, his crazy manner and loud, accusative stance unnerving and frightening certain Marxists. The other was landlubber, the primary receiver of ATPG's long, complex and borderline bonkers ramblings, which involved references to a Princesses, Tropes and Paleoconservatism. The running was tight, although the accusations of Extreme-Reactionary thought began to tip the scales in favour of landlubber's execution. Like many of the other lynchees, landlubber was resigned to his fate.
" Well, it's too late in the day for me to turn this lynch around. I would try to put up a defense, but I'm tired, so I'll just let my lynch go forward.
Congrats. You just lynched a Maoist. Boo hoo, sniff sniff."
The new Special Operative, Seamus Fermanagh, drew his pistol, checked it was loaded, and aimed it at the blubbering landlubber's chest. He pulled the trigger-
And nothing happened, as he'd left the safety on. Tutting, Seamus reached around and flicked the slip, before returning to aim and
"STOP!" screamed GeneralHankerchief. "I have a note which PROVES that our Deputy, Renata, is in fact, an Imperialist, Reactionary, Bourgeoisie JAPPO!"
Renata, who had been sipping from his flask, choked on his rice wine, breaking out into a coughing fit. autolycus, now formly back at his Chairman's side caught the new development instantaneously, switching his vote to Renata. As he did so, the last sliver of sunlight slunk down behind the mountains, effectively ending the day, for the Revolutionaries lacked a mechanical watch. The new tally of votes drastically changed the lynch, causing a tie to lock ATPG and landlubber in mortal embrace. Seamus tutted again, and put his pistol away with as disappointment kneaded his face.
As there is a tie, the phase shall be extended for 24 hours. It is not the night phase., The Officers will decide amongst themselves who to lynch out of the top two candidates. The Captain will not be allowed a vote unless there is a tie between the four Officers. If there is another tie, then he shal cast the deciding vote. The Officers may choose to do this public or in private, but their Quicktopic is recommended.
ATPG: 4 - Jolt, Cute Wolf, Sigurd, Seamus
Landlubber: 4 - Nictel, ATPG, DiY, Renata
Renata: 1 - autolycus
And before anyone asks, that tally is One Hundred Percent Accurate.
a completely inoffensive name
07-14-2010, 00:16
From ACIN:
ACIN has always CC'd me on our shared investigation (I get the weapons susceptibility; he gets the rest), but not this time. What's your "outside source", ACIN? I don't think there is one; I think you made this up yourself.
I've been holding this in for weeks, because there is no way it's going to stick until everyone has been investigated by ACIN who possibly can be, and that's only a couple of days away, but it'll be too late for me. Look at ACIN's behavior around the Pinman lynch. He's waffling all over the damn place. I can't believe that's been ignored on the word of one unaccountable investigator. Tell me if I'm right on this -- the person who investigated ACIN is the same person as killed JHT and Winston, right? JHT's opposite number? Because there was that one day delay between it becoming entirely obvious that JHT was the target of Winston's killer and that player actually killing JHT -- why the delay? An investigation of your otherwise unaccountable Cop, before the investigation power was taken away by JHT's death. Only JHT himself said he did not believe his investigations could tell the difference between Communists, KMT, and Japanese.
And now I get falsely accused only an hour before the end of the day. Why NOW? It might not even work!
I did send the PM. I got the info. And I sent the info to GH. Ask Subo for yourself, I did send the PM of a combined investigation with you.
You are just putting together random pieces of info to make a story which is false. Can I ask you something Renata? How does it feel that I used you as my deputy to narrow down the list of subjects for your Japanese friends? You should have denied the position, unless you thought just being my deputy was going to make you safe from investigation you should have known that eventually you would be helping in digging your friends graves.
You should have quit while you were ahead, ACIN. I'll never believe you're town, whether you're the one who's framing me or not.
Askthepizzaguy
07-14-2010, 01:37
With 3 officer votes on me to none, the outcome of this strange "tie" seems obvious.
I encourage you to pursue the other survivors of the North Bank.
GeneralHankerchief
07-14-2010, 01:39
It's 2-0 in the officer's club right now. I suppose all four have to vote to make it official.
I'm not too convinced as well that Renata is guilty... She has been pretty good at digging information and has been aiding the town's effort.
ATPG on the other hand has been doing nothing of the sort.
Askthepizzaguy
07-14-2010, 01:44
I'm not too convinced as well that Renata is guilty... She has been pretty good at digging information and has been aiding the town's effort.
ATPG on the other hand has been doing nothing of the sort.
Sorry. Not privy to all the information. Did my best to aid the cause.
a completely inoffensive name
07-14-2010, 03:33
You should have quit while you were ahead, ACIN. I'll never believe you're town, whether you're the one who's framing me or not.
Funny how you suddenly become so hostile when the accusation comes out.
a completely inoffensive name
07-14-2010, 03:35
Btw, it looks like a 2-2 tie to me. Just saying. Idk, where everyone is pulling these numbers (except GH) out of.
Askthepizzaguy
07-14-2010, 03:44
Btw, it looks like a 2-2 tie to me. Just saying. Idk, where everyone is pulling these numbers (except GH) out of.
I saw 3 officers voting for me in the tally, so if they wanted me lynched I don't know why that would change for the tie. :shrug:
a completely inoffensive name
07-14-2010, 03:51
I saw 3 officers voting for me in the tally, so if they wanted me lynched I don't know why that would change for the tie. :shrug:
Discussion. I personally see no reason for you to die. At this point I just want Renata to die.
a completely inoffensive name
07-14-2010, 04:42
If this wasn't clear to everyone. Renata's investigation was not done by me.
I could point out that I only hide in inactivity when I'm a vanilla townie, or neutral as in the star fox game. The moment I became a bit more active there I immediately was lynched so pardon me for not doing so here.
Lynch Nictel!!! He hides in inactivity as a mafia all the time on CFC. He's lying big time here!
Plus, er, I don't know how anyone could have missed this (even me :embarassed:) but Nictel has registered ONE lynch vote so far, after 11 days. How can he still be alive?
Let's just say he won't have any opportunities to miss it again :whip:
Discussion. I personally see no reason for you to die. At this point I just want Renata to die.
Of course you do.
Officers, all scanned innocent by ACIN
GH
ACIN
Seamus
Jolt
Autolycus
Known power role, scanned innocent by ACIN
Cute Wolf
Scanned Innocent
Sigurd
Death is Yonder
That's the entire south bank population, save me and Captain Blackadder, neither of whom would have been considered strong suspects, for reasons I'll leave unsaid.
Except for this late-appearing accusation against me, what was going to be the result of the next few days?
landlubber
Pizza
split
Nictel
Two investigations (cleared or caught), two lynches, two days. That's how long anyone left hiding over there had to live, unless they did something drastic. This is the something drastic. The person accusing me may even believe he is telling the truth (or gambling on it anyway), if he is KMT -- otherwise it was just an effort to prolong their own life for three (or four, given the timing) days until I flip, in the hopes that something breaks well for them in the meantime. What the person accusing me did not do, is actually scan me.
Lynch Sigurd and Renata.
I don't know how you got an innocent result on Sigurd, but i'd suggest looking closer.
Death is yonder
07-14-2010, 14:09
Right, this further complicates the situation :thinking:
Since I'm in a rush with some deadlines tomorrow, and no additional voting is required, I'll just give my input.
Renata is entirely too hostile once she was revealed. Immediately counter-claiming ACIN as the hole in the system, and being all too vehement about it. I note that Renata was also more concerned about her own life and all (lynch ACIN! No him!) rather than presenting facts in a rational manner. ACIN even said that she warped the pm evidences (more to gain as she only had to last 1 more hour of voting).
Clearly now some bad things are going to be happening tonight (fast forward developments) because Renata was obviously trying to inject some doubt to last the remaining period of voting.
You'd be hostile too if someone had faked an investigation result against you. If you truly think that would make you anything less than furious, you're fooling yourself. If you think you'd be doing any better at trying to figure out the source and the rationale for doing so, you're likewise fooling yourself.
I warped the PM evidences? What PM evidences? I posted one thing, and ACIN did not contest it -- he said he did send the order on you, but he can't contest that he did not PM it to me, as every other time he has.
Which reminds me, I left you out of the list.
Also, I'll be roleblocked, so quit trying to insinuate that I was doing anything at all to try to buy myself one more night of action.
Lynch Sigurd and Renata.
I don't know how you got an innocent result on Sigurd, but i'd suggest looking closer.
Most interesting thing that's been said all day.
Lynch Sigurd and Renata.
I don't know how you got an innocent result on Sigurd, but i'd suggest looking closer.
LISTEN TO THIS MAN!
Lynch Sigurd and Renata.
I don't know how you got an innocent result on Sigurd, but i'd suggest looking closer.
You are suggesting fake innocent results?
Whatever would possess the chairman's investigators to do such a thing?
I sense desperation in the KMT camp.. Are we lynching someone important? Are you about to lose?
I'm pretty sure that they've misinterpreted their results.
Update will be late, as I'm going to a friend's eighteenth. I hope to get it up today though.
ATPG: 4 - Jolt, Cute Wolf, Sigurd, Seamus
Landlubber: 4 - Nictel, ATPG, DiY, Renata
Renata: 1 - autolycus
And before anyone asks, that tally is One Hundred Percent Accurate.
Cute Wolf actually voted for me. The most obvious beneficiary is landlubber, who would otherwise have been lynched, but there are other possibilities. Whose doing was this?
a completely inoffensive name
07-15-2010, 01:03
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH ANGER!
:daisy: it Subo, we decided hours ago! Tell your friend that you have an online community depending on you!
Askthepizzaguy
07-15-2010, 01:34
I die for the revolution! I regret only that I was not murdered by the enemies of the state, so I could die in more heroic fashion.
autolycus
07-15-2010, 02:31
Nice dying words. But you may yet get your chance. The end vote preferred landlubber for execution.
GeneralHankerchief
07-15-2010, 11:28
The end vote preferred landlubber for execution.
...barely, I might add.
The Officers shuffled off into their tent to decide who would die that night. The other Socialists could hear much arguing and raging going on inside the tent, and it was clear that the lynchee would die by only a slim margin of votes from the Officers. After about thirty minutes, the Officers emerged from their tent, and assembled in front of the Communists. Jolt stepped forward and coughed, before announcing:
"By the power bestowed to us by the Chinese Communist Party, and the Proletarian Masses of China, the Officer Corps of the People's Extraordinary Detachment has decided that landlubber is the most likely to be an Anti-People element within PEXDET."
landlubber held his head in his hands and whimpered, as Seamus drew his pistol and aimed it at landlubber, again. He glanced at his weapon to confirm that the safety was off, nodded in satisfaction, and shot landlubber in the chest.
Alive: 15/40
ACIN
ATPG
autolycus
Captain Blackadder
Cute Wolf
Death is yonder
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
Joooray
Nictel
Renata
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd
Split
Lynched players 12/40
Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
TheFlax
YLC
miotas
M3YUZ
Romanic
Joooray
landlubber
Killed Players 12/40
Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
CDF
aThis
Yaesikhaan
wideyedwanderer
Devoured by Rats/Consumed by Flames - 3
Thermal Mercury
Wishazu
AVSM
It is now the night phase. This phase shall end in 33 hours at 22:00 GMT+1 tomorrow.
GeneralHankerchief
07-16-2010, 02:11
Subo, I believe you have Joooray listed under "alive" when he's been dead for a while now.
Double A
07-16-2010, 02:38
He's a zombie! The Jap scientists are more evil than anyone thought!
ArpeggiateTHIS
07-16-2010, 09:27
We got a twitcher, shoot 'em in the head!
We got a twitcher, shoot 'em in the head!
Says a twitcher...
Deadline reached, commencing write-up.
The terrain PEXDET was marching through was flat and wide; the North China plains topography allowed huge storms of dust to blow in from the Gobi, and the dust-storms in turn reduced plant life to bare bushes and scraggly shrubs. It was in this climate that Renata was waiting, a few metres from his tent, for his killers to arrive.
As she had predicted, they came from the south, and the tall man leading the group raised a hand to halt the little platoon when Renata entered his sight. Renata remained upright, as straight as an arrow, as the tall man raised a hand to keep the dust out of his eyes.
"Renata! We have proof as to your identity. I have it all written down, right here. For the very survival of the People's Extraordinary Detachment, The Party has decided that you must be liquidated."
With that, he gave a nod to his followers. They fumbled in the jackets and produced various firearms, and short clicks could just about be heard above the howling wind. They armed them and pointed them at the alleged reactionary, waiting only for the Chairman's order to open fire. But suddenly, Renata swung his right arm out so it was perfectly horizontal; he gave his attackers pause for he was holding a long, sharp sword. Brandishing his steel in an iron grip, he called out to the tall man in a withering, mocking tone.
"The Party has decided? What, all three of you?"
The tall man looked over his shoulder in horror, to see that there were indeed only two loyalists standing with him; the screaming dust had allowed the others to slip away. Turning back to his victim, he was caught completely off-guard by Renata flying towards him, sword in hand. Renata's blade whirled like an propeller, an infernal engine, and it smacked the tall man right on the cheek, and knocked him back onto the floor. His two comrades scattered and ran, and the tall man was left to rely on his wit and his gun, which was lying several metres away. Renata raised her blade, and prepared to bring it down for a deep plunge into the tall man's stomach. But luckily, the tall man managed to kick Renata in the knee, and she toppled onto the floor, allowing the tall man to escape with just his a nick in his face and a burning sense of shame.
***
autolycus had watched the whole debacle from behind Renata's tent, and tutted with disdain when the tall man was sent running for his life. Renata appeared cheerful and confident, but autolycus giggled when he thought of how comfortable Renata would be after a visit from autolycus, and his bludgeoning ways. autolycus readied his big stick in anticipation, as Renata approached, blissfully unaware of the danger that lay just behind his tent.
"Aha! Got you!"
autolycus' collar was yanked back with tremendous force, and he coughed and gagged as he was choked by the tough linen fabric. autolycus could only squeak as three burly men with swords as big as his legs dragged him back into the darkness, allowing Renata's blissful obliviousness to be happily justified. They pulled him along for about fifty yards, before they found a sufficiently secluded area behind a large boulder, where they dropped him, freeing his wind-pipe.
"You blundering idiots!" spluttered autolycus, inbetween the sobs for oxygen "I'm a bloody Officer, and I was dealing with a bona fide Counter-Revolutionary!"
The three men looked at each other, before the burliest said in a scarily patronising tone:
"We know. That's why we stopped you, and it's also why we're going to kill you right now."
autolycus went white, as the burly men raised their large swords and menacingly approached. Thankfully for the other members of PEXDET, the sandstorm's screams muffled and blended with autolycus' own.
***
A loyal Communist returned to his tent without incident. He picked up a kettle which he had left bubbling on his camp fire, and crawled inside to pour it on some delicious noodles which he had swiped from the Officer's Quarters. Only, there was already somebody inside his tent, munching on his noodles.
"That dirty bastard..." growled the Communist under his breath. "I'm going to show him a thing or two when I-"
Throwing open the tent flap and jumping inside, he was confronted not just by a man and his noodles, but the hard, callous stare of a Japanese Kempeitai Officer
"Oh crap..."whimpered the Communist "Listen, you can keep the noodles, just let me get out of..." His pathetic attempt to escape his own tent was prevented by a Japanese soldier appearing from nowhere and blocking his exit. Putting a hand to his mouth, he whimpered.
The Kempeitai Officer sighed and finished slurping his delicious noodles. "We're not here to kill you, ******. We're just hear to present you with a ...proposition."
"Yes, a proposition" nodded the Grunt.
"Because we know all about you. We know about your home back in Darien, your love of sushi, and your general appreciation of Japanese war goals." continued the Officer, with a sinister smile
The Communist dropped his now cold kettle, and held his head in his hands
"So what do you say? You can either join us, in our fight for Greater-East Asian Prosperity and the Construction of a Pan-Asian Union, or, we can shoot you in the head." said the Officer, with a sparkle in his eye
The now ex-Communist glumly nodded, as he agreed to betray his Comrades, ideology and nation.
***
The Chairman assembled the Communists, again, with a disappointed and glum look on his face.
"...I guess we better keep on marching. We're nearly at Yan'an, Comrades, but they still walk amongst us. It is a shame we don't have more people like miotas with us, loyal Communists, who, although with a bit of a too-fond taste for sushi, or M3YUZ with their appreciation of Twelve-Pointed Suns were otherwise trusted and true Marxists."
Alive: 13/40
ACIN
ATPG
Captain Blackadder
Cute Wolf
Death is yonder
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
Nictel
Renata
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd
Split
Lynched players 12/40
Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
TheFlax
YLC
miotas
M3YUZ
Romanic
Joooray
landlubber
Killed Players 12/40
Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
CDF
aThis
Yaesikhaan
wideyedwanderer
autolycus
Devoured by Rats/Consumed by Flames - 3
Thermal Mercury
Wishazu
AVSM
Deadline is is 22 hours, at 22:00 GMT+1. The update will most likely be late, as I'm going to somebody's 18th, again. However, I think this one will be excusable, since it will be my own :beam:
Splitpersonality
07-17-2010, 02:38
Comrades,
Have we not suffered enough? Have not enough of us died or been conscripted into the hands of the filthy Japanese, as to raise even a few questions.
Apparently there are those of us in this unit who would forsake our political ideologies, our vision of a free and equal society for all, simply to hold the glory and power for themselves. How can we, communists for chrissakes, sit around and let ourselves be ruled by an oligarchy?
I am not saying our leader is necessarily corrupt himself, I am saying he employs agents of corruption, and that by his actions he is sentencing our own troops to die.
For power? For his Japanese allies? For his own amusement?
I can only speculate the reasons for his actions, but one thing is clear to me right now.
Vote: Revolt
He cannot be allowed to keep his position any longer.
Double A
07-17-2010, 02:50
I don't care if he IS a townie, even though I've been working for him since night freaking one, his leadership is ineffective. We've caught too few KMT scum, and hardly any Nippos. This is just plain ridiculous.
Vote: Revolt
We got 3 Japanese identified so far.
Double A
07-17-2010, 02:55
Huh, I thought it was one.
Regardless, they're still alive.
Askthepizzaguy
07-17-2010, 02:55
We got 3 Japanese identified so far.
Who are the others?
autolycus
07-17-2010, 03:32
My guess would be that the boss thinks he knows who flaked out on killing Renata.
Splitpersonality
07-17-2010, 03:35
Then why isn't this info being released to the public?
Double A
07-17-2010, 03:58
There's that amazing leadership I was talking about.
Splitpersonality
07-17-2010, 04:05
And no offense, but if Jolt knows, why don't you?
Aren't you an officer?
Or are you not trusted?
autolycus
07-17-2010, 04:19
I'm dead, spl1t, I can no longer look at or comment on anything not in the public thread.
Splitpersonality
07-17-2010, 04:20
Derp, I totally forgot about that, that one is my bad.
Double A
07-17-2010, 04:25
GH's administration is less transparent than Stalin's :\
GeneralHankerchief
07-17-2010, 04:37
I'll tell you who flaked out: Nictel.
He was spotted visiting autolycus's tent by the tracker. Oh, look who happened to die? autolycus. Kill him now, we'll deal with Renata later.
Captain Blackadder
07-17-2010, 04:57
Sounds good enough to me
vote nictel
Abounding your post to be seen entering the tent of someone who ended up dead that very night seems clear to me you are a traitor to our cause of communism.
That makes 4 known Japanese.
Unvote; Vote: Nictel
Askthepizzaguy
07-17-2010, 05:05
That makes 4 known Japanese.
Unvote; Vote: Nictel
Who are the others?
Splitpersonality
07-17-2010, 05:06
That makes 4 known Japanese.
Unvote; Vote: Nictel
God :daisy:, if they're :daisy:ing know why the :daisy: don't I know them?
Why doesn't the town know them?
If we know who they are, we can stop them. Keeping the town in the dark doesn't help a :daisy: thing!
Vote: Jolt, I don't care who you are.
Askthepizzaguy
07-17-2010, 05:14
I'll tell you who flaked out: Nictel.
He was spotted visiting autolycus's tent by the tracker. Oh, look who happened to die? autolycus. Kill him now, we'll deal with Renata later.
Ok let's try someone else.
GH, would you be willing to just state for the record who all the Japanese are?
Who are the others?
Renata has been confirmed in investigation and and this night in the write-up.
Nictel has just been confirmed by the spotter.
Split and Double A have conviniently decided to try to create a revolt bandwagon early on, in the one turn where the Japanese are on the verge of surpassing us. So much that if they succeed in the revolt, then the Japanese will have equal numbers with the rest of the players, winning them the game.
I have been investigated as fully loyal and GH immediatly promoted me to the officer corps. If he isn't town, that is a pretty stupid move to do. As such, I have complete trust that GH is town, and it is obvious that anyone joining the revolt bandwagon means that it is a Japanese.
BTW Split, you also conviniently forgot to unvote.
You can both vote and vote for a revolt. Its legal.
Ah, missed that part. Nevermind then.
Double A
07-17-2010, 05:20
I am most assuredly NOT a Nippo. I don't care what you think. Tokyo can go to Hiroshima for all I care.
I am most assuredly NOT a Nippo.
Oh. Ok.
Double A
07-17-2010, 05:23
You don't think I'd have been investigated by now if I was, and if I was vulnerable to sushi, I'd have been stuck in an officer position so I couldn't be converted?
GH may be ineffective, but he's not stupid.
GeneralHankerchief
07-17-2010, 05:28
We don't know all of them. The three we have positively identified are as follows:
Sigurd
Renata
Yes, I know Sigurd. I'll explain later on.
Nictel is, while not explicitly confirmed as one, is 99% Japanese. Reason being is he flaked out on Renata's vig group and was seen at autolycus's tent last night. That's about as confirming evidence as you can get without a positive identification.
Then we have split and double a, who came out of nowhere with this revolt. Split especially, who's been mostly inactive the entire game and suddenly the first post of any substance he makes is all coming out and trying to string me up. If I had to guess, I'd say that Split's been Japanese the whole time and Double A was recruited last night. But they can wait, and I'm less certain about them than the first three.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now, for Sigurd. Yes, he was Japanese the whole time. ACIN, with my approval, tried to go undercover and flush the rest of them out, pretending that he was a player aligned only to chaos. I think Sigurd suspected something though. We sacrificed Joooray for the sake of trying to take town three or four Japanese, but that time has passed. I'll provide you some of ACIN's and Sigurd's exchanges later, but from what we got out of it Sigurd had at least two comrades at the time, at least one of them being on the North Bank.
I had 7 people on Renata last night, including myself. Sigurd was one of them, I did this to keep cover. I knew he wouldn't show up. But that means three other people skimped out on orders as well. Obviously, Nictel was one of them. As for the other two, I'd bet Split and one of either ATPG, DiY, or Double A.
It is clear to me that the enemies of PEXDET are making an all-or-nothing play this turn to remove me from power. Fine, bring it on. But if you fail, then you're marked.
By the way, for any of you who are on the fence, look at who's tried to revolt against me in the past. YLC. Jap. Romanic. Unknown, but suspected KMT. Renata and Flax both had their reservations. Jap and recruited KMT. Sigurd. Jap. The list goes on and on...
Splitpersonality
07-17-2010, 05:31
I have been investigated as fully loyal and GH immediatly promoted me to the officer corps. If he isn't town, that is a pretty stupid move to do. As such, I have complete trust that GH is town, and it is obvious that anyone joining the revolt bandwagon means that it is a Japanese.
BTW Split, you also conviniently forgot to unvote.
I can't speak for Double A, but I'm not Japanese.
The fact that you think/know that the Japanese are even remotely close to town numbers (if there's any more than 3 of them, I don't even know (that's assuming Renata and Nictel are japanese))
If the revolt succeeds, there are 12 people alive.
You are suggesting that there are 6 japanese in that case, because revolting should only kill GH.
If you're concerned about you seat of power, fascist, I can assure you at least one of you will retain their position when the revolution comes.
GeneralHankerchief
07-17-2010, 05:34
Split, if you are truly concerned for the welfare of PEXDET, then stop attempting to revolt. I will give you autolycus's position and let you in on everything.
-edit- This goes for any others who are truly concerned as well. My current officers will understand if they have to be replaced.
Double A
07-17-2010, 05:35
Wait, you haven't even confirmed my susceptibility to conversions, yet I've been working with you the entire game? I potentially could have backed out of a completely vital protection at anytime. You're worse than I thought!
And you didn't do ANYTHING about Sigurd. That's great. We've known about a jap for a really long time and you don't even mention him till now. I feel real safe, GH.
Yeap. As is obvious, this turn can be make-or-break for the town as the Japanese have the chance to push for the revolt, convince a few townies and its game over. But then if they fail, everyone that tried to push for the revolt is pretty much a Japanese.
Obviously the advantage of telling you this is that now probably noone is going to try and revolt so they don't lose their anonymity. But then we're telling you this because we already know who most of the Japanese are, so no harm done in not joining on the revolt. I was actually hoping some more did join and revealed themselves (Besides Sigurd and Renata) before starting to explain this whole thing. Pity.
Splitpersonality
07-17-2010, 05:35
I'd say that Split's been Japanese the whole time
I'd say you're wrong, but my input don't mean much to you now does it?
As for the other two, I'd bet Split and one of either ATPG, DiY, or Double A.
I'd bet, not me, because you received my orders, and I'm pretty sure I don't have any other night actions that I sent in. Again cannot speak for anyone else.
It is clear to me that the enemies of PEXDET are making an all-or-nothing play this turn to remove me from power. Fine, bring it on. But if you fail, then you're marked.
Everything is clear to you, but nothing seems to be very clear to the town, who is trying their very best, I imagine being one myself, to follow along with you.
Sigurd. Jap.
Yet to be proven.
Sorry for the double post if there is one :bow:
I can't speak for Double A, but I'm not Japanese.
The fact that you think/know that the Japanese are even remotely close to town numbers (if there's any more than 3 of them, I don't even know (that's assuming Renata and Nictel are japanese))
If the revolt succeeds, there are 12 people alive.
You are suggesting that there are 6 japanese in that case, because revolting should only kill GH.
If you're concerned about you seat of power, fascist, I can assure you at least one of you will retain their position when the revolution comes.
Apparently someone's skipping the write-ups and needs a math lesson. Now, let's review this:
Renata (1) + 3 attackers of Autolycus + 2 recruiters + 1 recruitee = ?
Double A
07-17-2010, 05:40
Yeap. As is obvious, this turn can be make-or-break for the town as the Japanese have the chance to push for the revolt, convince a few townies and its game over. But then if they fail, everyone that tried to push for the revolt is pretty much a Japanese.
Obviously the advantage of telling you this is that now probably noone is going to try and revolt so they don't lose their anonymity. But then we're telling you this because we already know who most of the Japanese are, so no harm done in not joining on the revolt. I was actually hoping some more did join and revealed themselves (Besides Sigurd and Renata) before starting to explain this whole thing. Pity.
You're missing my whole point.
He gave an officership to Sigurd, an apparent Jap. While I, a townie, am left in the dark for the entire game, even though I'm potentially saving ACIN's butt every night for half the game. Or trying to vig someone, emphasis on trying.
Splitpersonality
07-17-2010, 05:40
Split, if you are truly concerned for the welfare of PEXDET, then stop attempting to revolt. I will give you autolycus's position and let you in on everything.
I am concerned, I wish for our communist ways to spread. I do not wish to sell out for a position of power, but the power is not what I seek, it is simply the knowledge.
Yeap. As is obvious, this turn can be make-or-break for the town as the Japanese have the chance to push for the revolt, convince a few townies and its game over. But then if they fail, everyone that tried to push for the revolt is pretty much a Japanese.
Or townie's that were convinced by Japanese...
Obviously the advantage of telling you this is that now probably noone is going to try and revolt so they don't lose their anonymity. But then we're telling you this because we already know who most of the Japanese are, so no harm done in not joining on the revolt. I was actually hoping some more did join and revealed themselves (Besides Sigurd and Renata) before starting to explain this whole thing. Pity.
Again, the problem i find with this is, you know who Japanese are (allegedly) and you continue to toy with the information, on the basis of what, speculation?
GeneralHankerchief
07-17-2010, 05:40
I did not give any such thing to Sigurd. He isn't an officer.
Also, I'm sorry that the whole "go in deep" thing with Sigurd didn't work out. It was a gamble.
Askthepizzaguy
07-17-2010, 05:41
We don't know all of them. The three we have positively identified are as follows:
Sigurd
Renata
Yes, I know Sigurd. I'll explain later on.
Nictel is, while not explicitly confirmed as one, is 99% Japanese. Reason being is he flaked out on Renata's vig group and was seen at autolycus's tent last night. That's about as confirming evidence as you can get without a positive identification.
Then we have split and double a, who came out of nowhere with this revolt. Split especially, who's been mostly inactive the entire game and suddenly the first post of any substance he makes is all coming out and trying to string me up. If I had to guess, I'd say that Split's been Japanese the whole time and Double A was recruited last night. But they can wait, and I'm less certain about them than the first three.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now, for Sigurd. Yes, he was Japanese the whole time. ACIN, with my approval, tried to go undercover and flush the rest of them out, pretending that he was a player aligned only to chaos. I think Sigurd suspected something though. We sacrificed Joooray for the sake of trying to take town three or four Japanese, but that time has passed. I'll provide you some of ACIN's and Sigurd's exchanges later, but from what we got out of it Sigurd had at least two comrades at the time, at least one of them being on the North Bank.
I had 7 people on Renata last night, including myself. Sigurd was one of them, I did this to keep cover. I knew he wouldn't show up. But that means three other people skimped out on orders as well. Obviously, Nictel was one of them. As for the other two, I'd bet Split and one of either ATPG, DiY, or Double A.
It is clear to me that the enemies of PEXDET are making an all-or-nothing play this turn to remove me from power. Fine, bring it on. But if you fail, then you're marked.
By the way, for any of you who are on the fence, look at who's tried to revolt against me in the past. YLC. Jap. Romanic. Unknown, but suspected KMT. Renata and Flax both had their reservations. Jap and recruited KMT. Sigurd. Jap. The list goes on and on...
Me? No.... I am a die-hard communist through and through.
Wait just a gosh darn cotton-picking minute. You're saying that Sigurd, Renata, Nictel, Double A, Death is Yonder, Splitpersonality, and me are all conspiring against you, GH? Who else?
There seems to be an awful lot. Who is actually working with you?
You're tossing loyal comrades in with that group, GH.
Double A
07-17-2010, 05:41
I thought you did?
GeneralHankerchief
07-17-2010, 05:42
ATPG:
Well... yeah.
I had seven people try to kill Renata last night. Only three showed up. Explain that without a conspiracy.
Splitpersonality
07-17-2010, 05:42
Apparently someone's skipping the write-ups and needs a math lesson. Now, let's review this:
Renata (1) + 3 attackers of Autolycus + 2 recruiters + 1 recruitee = ?
I don't deserve to be spoken down to, thank you very much.
Game aside.
In game, what makes you so sure Renata is not one of the recruiters or attackers?
Double A
07-17-2010, 05:42
Let's see... me, you and Jolt?
Or more likely, me, you, and DIY.
GeneralHankerchief
07-17-2010, 05:43
Double A:
Sigurd has never been an officer. I promoted Jolt a couple of days ago. He is an officer. Sigurd is not.
Splitpersonality
07-17-2010, 05:44
Let's see... me, you and Jolt?
Or more likely, me, you, and DIY.
I showed up, I CC'd GH my orders, and did nothing else that night.
Double A
07-17-2010, 05:44
Weird, I always thought he was.
Anyway...
GeneralHankerchief
07-17-2010, 05:45
In game, what makes you so sure Renata is not one of the recruiters or attackers?
We had Renata roleblocked last night.
From my understanding of the mechanics (and keep in mind, a lot of it was based off Pirate Ship Mafia, which I hosted) a roleblock would still go through even if the blocker was killed.
Anyway...
Anyway... please take your "revolt" vote off me?
Double A
07-17-2010, 05:46
No, you've still kept the town in the dark for an alarming amount of time.
I showed up, I CC'd GH my orders, and did nothing else that night.
Same here. Even if I was converted to Japan last night, there would be no reason for me not to.
I don't deserve to be spoken down to, thank you very much.
Game aside.
What do you mean?
In game, what makes you so sure Renata is not one of the recruiters or attackers?
She was role-blocked.
GeneralHankerchief
07-17-2010, 05:48
CCing people means nothing. I had all 6 people CC me on that order, including Sigurd and Nictel.
Double A
07-17-2010, 05:55
3/7.
vote: Jolt
Splitpersonality
07-17-2010, 05:56
We had Renata roleblocked last night.
From my understanding of the mechanics (and keep in mind, a lot of it was based off Pirate Ship Mafia, which I hosted) a roleblock would still go through even if the blocker was killed.
Anyway... please take your "revolt" vote off me?
If you hold up your end, and give me Autolycus' position, then I shall...
No, you've still kept the town in the dark for an alarming amount of time.
Same here. Even if I was converted to Japan last night, there would be no reason for me not to.
I can admit to seeing the benefits of keeping the town in the dark, but I am not in the loop and cannot comment further :shrug:
What do you mean?
"Apparently someone's skipping the writeups and needs a math-lesson"
I took offense to that, sorry if it wasn't you intent (I imagine it wasn't), I'm not in the best of moods right now :bow:.
GeneralHankerchief
07-17-2010, 05:56
Well, I can't CC myself.
Double A: Why the Jolt vote? Explain.
Double A
07-17-2010, 06:00
3/7 people sent orders in. I sent them in, and without a doubt you did. I don't see why split wouldn't send them in, but then again it's 1am, maybe I'm just tired.
Furthermore, Jolt's insistence that I'm Japanese makes me think he is Japanese over Split.
"Apparently someone's skipping the writeups and needs a math-lesson"
I took offense to that, sorry if it wasn't you intent (I imagine it wasn't), I'm not in the best of moods right now :bow:.
Aww, this is just part of the game! I still love you outside of it Split! :love:
GeneralHankerchief
07-17-2010, 06:01
Jolt was investigated and confirmed 100% innocent by ACIN himself. He is innocent. Someone who is *not* innocent, OTOH, is Nictel.
3/7 people sent orders in. I sent them in, and without a doubt you did. I don't see why split wouldn't send them in, but then again it's 1am, maybe I'm just tired.
Not sure if you're following, but you're using that argument as if I was one of the seven people in the group. Ugh. I wasn't.
Furthermore, Jolt's insistence that I'm Japanese makes me think he is Japanese over Split.
Brilliant. I'm investigated as an inconvertible townie, promoted to the officer corps thanks to that, and obviously, the likely thing to think is that I'm Japanese. Especially when you're the one revolting. And not me. :yes:
Splitpersonality
07-17-2010, 06:05
Unvote: Jolt, Unvote: Revolt,
Vote: Nictel
:shame:
Askthepizzaguy
07-17-2010, 06:06
Jolt was investigated and confirmed 100% innocent by ACIN himself. He is innocent. Someone who is *not* innocent, OTOH, is Nictel.
I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. It beats slaving away on this long death march under YOUR administration.
Vote: Revolt
Vote: Jolt
It's true, because it rhymes.
I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. It beats slaving away on this long death march under YOUR administration.
Vote: Revolt
Vote: Jolt
It's true, because it rhymes.
Hm. Interesting.
GeneralHankerchief
07-17-2010, 06:08
I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. It beats slaving away on this long death march under YOUR administration.
Vote: Revolt
Vote: Jolt
It's true, because it rhymes.
At least do me the favor and say you're Japanese if you're going with this route. After all, if you survive this round, you win the game anyway.
Askthepizzaguy
07-17-2010, 06:13
At least do me the favor and say you're Japanese if you're going with this route. After all, if you survive this round, you win the game anyway.
Look, all I really want is someone more reliable put in the cop position. You say these investigations are reliable, but who scanned ACIN?
Look, all I really want is someone more reliable put in the cop position. You say these investigations are reliable, but who scanned ACIN?
Another investigator.
GeneralHankerchief
07-17-2010, 06:16
Thank you Jolt.
ATPG: If I tell you, will you take your revolt off me?
Askthepizzaguy
07-17-2010, 06:23
Thank you Jolt.
ATPG: If I tell you, will you take your revolt off me?
I want to know everything you know. This is the endgame, no more secrets.
We don't know all of them. The three we have positively identified are as follows:
Sigurd
Renata
Yes, I know Sigurd. I'll explain later on.
Nictel is, while not explicitly confirmed as one, is 99% Japanese. Reason being is he flaked out on Renata's vig group and was seen at autolycus's tent last night. That's about as confirming evidence as you can get without a positive identification.
Jolt was investigated and confirmed 100% innocent by ACIN himself. He is innocent. Someone who is *not* innocent, OTOH, is Nictel.
What are you doing GH? You should be telling people to vote for Renata.
Have you read last night's writeup? People deserted when you asked to kill Renata. Autolycus was killed by 3 men protecting Renata. She's likely very high in the chain of command.
PEXDET need to be united, stop showing many voting options and tell them who to vote for. Give one name, and everyone should go for it, otherwise the votes will be spread over many suspects and the end result could be disastrous.
GeneralHankerchief
07-17-2010, 06:26
I want to know everything you know. This is the endgame, no more secrets.
Take your vote off Jolt and the revolt vote off me and I will tell you, you have my word. :yes:
Trust us Romanic. I'd be saying the same thing as you (Especially considering Renata is incriminated in the write-up), but we still have a few aces in our sleeve. Let's all concentrate on Nictel.
Trust us Romanic. I'd be saying the same thing as you (Especially considering Renata is incriminated in the write-up), but we still have a few aces in our sleeve. Let's all concentrate on Nictel.
Trust you? I was a true communist and I was lynched by PEXDET. I still want you to win, but er, maybe it's time to play ball and lynch the big names.
If it is true that the officers have known for a while that Sigurd was Japanese, then either he, or Renata should be lynched. One of us was converted last night by a Japanese Officer, and apparently the officer cannot be Nictel because he was killing autolycus. So why are you pushing for Nictel instead?
GeneralHankerchief
07-17-2010, 06:38
We're pushing for Nictel because we've already started to push for Nictel, and it's too late to stop now.
We're pushing for Nictel because we've already started to push for Nictel, and it's too late to stop now.
How is it too late? The deadline is in 15 hours, and Nictel only has 3 votes on him, 2 from people who are online (split & Jolt) and could quickly move their votes.
Captain Blackadder
07-17-2010, 06:50
Indeed it is possible to make the change.
GeneralHankerchief
07-17-2010, 06:57
Any legitimately concerned member of PEXDET who is uncertain about my leadership, please contact me privately. I understand that I have played things somewhat close to the chest, and I understand how that may let you feel out of the loop. The last thing I want as a leader is the people under me not to trust either myself or my judgment. I will let you into the Officer's Club to make sure that your feelings are assuaged. My current officers will understand.
All I ask is one night. Thank you. :bow:
Any legitimately concerned member of PEXDET who is uncertain about my leadership, please contact me privately. I understand that I have played things somewhat close to the chest, and I understand how that may let you feel out of the loop. The last thing I want as a leader is the people under me not to trust either myself or my judgment. I will let you into the Officer's Club to make sure that your feelings are assuaged. My current officers will understand.
All I ask is one night. Thank you. :bow:
Right, a "trust me" post again to seal the discussion.
We've seen last night how good your administration is. You can't even pull a 5 men vigilante group properly, and now you're asking for one more night. What's your plan? Try another vigkill tomorrow?
By my count there's 2+ KMT members around (post 1077 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128827-A-Bridge-Zhou-Far-Three-Stars-Rising-IN-PLAY&p=2521928&viewfull=1#post2521928)), 4 Japanese if we believe you (Sigurd, Renata, Nictel and last night's convert) and the Hairy Man. That's 7 enemies out of 13.
People should be voting for Renata or Sigurd right now, not wait another night. We need to get the Japanese leader today!
GeneralHankerchief
07-17-2010, 07:54
You'll see. I haven't revealed every trick up my sleeve yet.
a completely inoffensive name
07-17-2010, 09:56
Oh crap. My gamble didn't produce the results I wanted. Oh well, I got enough from Sigurd.
a completely inoffensive name
07-17-2010, 10:11
Vote: Nictel
a completely inoffensive name
07-17-2010, 10:18
Unvote: Nictel
Vote: Renata
Your meanness hurt my feelings. And my vote at this point means nothing compared to all the politics going on in the PM background. So "I'm just, I'm just, doin' my thang!" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aybWo6k3PtE)
GONNA PLAY MY FIDDLE WHILE ROME BURNS DOWN TO THE GROUND!
-dances in my comfy computer chair-
Who ever is in charge now, PM me with some orders.
HAHAHAHAHAHA... this is just great!!!
I haven't read all, but when I saw the GH post claiming to have instructed ACIN to post an innocent on me. Ok I don't have any words right now.
The leadership is full of Japanese traitors.
Vote: Revolt
Vote: Jolt
seireikhaan
07-17-2010, 11:06
HAHAHAHAHAHA... this is just great!!!
I haven't read all, but when I saw the GH post claiming to have instructed ACIN to post an innocent on me. Ok I don't have any words right now.
The leadership is full of Japanese traitors.
Vote: Revolt
Vote: Jolt
Hmm.... how was it again that I died?
DELETE_THIS
07-17-2010, 11:31
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
GH, I'm sure you are a really nice guy but never take on a leadership role ever again. Ok?
I'm not sure I should laugh or cry. Or maybe both.
First of all I'm not Japanese, I'm not sure who your "investigators" are but I'm beginning to suspect at least one of them is not a loyal communist.
Now lets look at the evidence, first there is Sigurd. Of whom you KNEW he was Japanese. Instead of lynching or killing him immediately or even blocking him, you decided you could let someone play James Bond and infiltrate their little group. This obviously failed.
I hope you realize that Sigurd could be the Japanese officer from the update CONVERTING everyone.
Secondly, last night. Now that I know you let known Japanese live, I bet Renata knew of your order and who was in it the moment you gave it. In any case it means you have three traitors there. It however also means you have 2 loyals there. Lynching anyone but important Japanese like Sigurd or Renata is stupid. That said:
We're pushing for Nictel because we've already started to push for Nictel, and it's too late to stop now.
Well then I guess it is also too late to stop the revolt.
Vote: Revolt
Vote: Jolt
You'll see. I haven't revealed every trick up my sleeve yet.
I bet all these tricks keep Sigurd and Renata alive.. :no:
seireikhaan
07-17-2010, 11:35
So Nictel, you agree that Sigurd is Japanese? Is that why you're doing the exact same thing he is?
seireikhaan
07-17-2010, 11:44
Lynching anyone but important Japanese like Sigurd or Renata is stupid. That said:
Vote: Revolt
Vote: Jolt
Sorry for the double post, but felt this needed to be highlighted. Lynch Nictel if you're town. :yes:
DELETE_THIS
07-17-2010, 11:57
*Sigh*
I vote for the revolt because it is necessary, GH is leading us to doom.
I vote for Jolt because it rhymes and I don't want to get lynched, so I vote for the person with the most votes after me.
Now I am a loyal communist. I'm hoping Jolt is KMT, or otherwise we are sure to lose.
The moment GH changes his vote, I will follow him immediately.
seireikhaan
07-17-2010, 12:12
You seem quite well convinced that Sigurd is Japanese, based on no evidence but that which is put forth by GH. Now, for exposing Sigurd as a Japanese, which you believe, you vote to depose GH. Then, you vote for the very same person that Sigurd is trying to bandwagon. This is the thinnest charade I've seen in, like, forever.
Nictel is Japanese, don't bother khaan. Why would he still be alive after making one single lynch vote in 11 days unless he was active behind the scenes?
Unofficial tally:
4 Jolt (ATPG, Double A, Nictel, Sigurd)
3 Nictel (Blackadder, Jolt, split)
1 Renata (ACIN)
---
5 not voting (Cute Wolf, DiY, Renata, Seamus, GH)
Revolt (4 of 7) : (ATPG, Double A, Nictel, Sigurd).
So at this point, we have to hope GH knows what he's doing, and that ACIN will come back to change his vote to Nictel, if he's communist at all.
Any loyal communist should vote Nictel.... I guess.
I'm afraid we lost. :sad:
seireikhaan
07-17-2010, 12:31
Nictel is Japanese, don't bother khaan. Why would he still be alive after making one single lynch vote in 11 days unless he was active behind the scenes?
I know, I'm trying to see how obvious it can be made.
Too many non-voters.
DELETE_THIS
07-17-2010, 12:34
You seem quite well convinced that Sigurd is Japanese, based on no evidence but that which is put forth by GH. Now, for exposing Sigurd as a Japanese, which you believe, you vote to depose GH. Then, you vote for the very same person that Sigurd is trying to bandwagon. This is the thinnest charade I've seen in, like, forever.
Which he only did like a million days later after he found out. He even pretended Sigurd was scanned INNOCENT! He's totally incompetent as a leader. He should go.
DELETE_THIS
07-17-2010, 12:35
Nictel is Japanese, don't bother khaan. Why would he still be alive after making one single lynch vote in 11 days unless he was active behind the scenes?
Unofficial tally:
4 Jolt (ATPG, Double A, Nictel, Sigurd)
3 Nictel (Blackadder, Jolt, split)
1 Renata (ACIN)
---
5 not voting (Cute Wolf, DiY, Renata, Seamus, GH)
Revolt (4 of 7) : (ATPG, Double A, Nictel, Sigurd).
So at this point, we have to hope GH knows what he's doing, and that ACIN will come back to change his vote to Nictel, if he's communist at all.
Any loyal communist should vote Nictel.... I guess.
I'm afraid we lost. :sad:
And that Cute Wolf, DiY, Renata and Seamus don't come online... ;)
GH you are so full of BS your eyes are brown. You don't want me dead because you know damn well I'm not Japanese and you don't want me flipping too early to screw things up. Now Sigurd's supposed to be Japanese too? And you called him innocent -- why, when if you were telling the truth you could have had both of us dead by now? Instead we're both still alive, and there's been another recruitment.
revolt
We'll see in three days who's telling the truth. It sure as heck isn't you.
vote: Jolt
I didn't get a full result on him OR Sigurd. I did, before that. Why the change?
autolycus had watched the whole debacle from behind Renata's tent, and tutted with disdain when the tall man was sent running for his life. Renata appeared cheerful and confident, but autolycus giggled when he thought of how comfortable Renata would be after a visit from autolycus, and his bludgeoning ways. autolycus readied his big stick in anticipation, as Renata approached, blissfully unaware of the danger that lay just behind his tent.
"Aha! Got you!"
autolycus' collar was yanked back with tremendous force, and he coughed and gagged as he was choked by the tough linen fabric. autolycus could only squeak as three burly men with swords as big as his legs dragged him back into the darkness, allowing Renata's blissful obliviousness to be happily justified. They pulled him along for about fifty yards, before they found a sufficiently secluded area behind a large boulder, where they dropped him, freeing his wind-pipe.
"You blundering idiots!" spluttered autolycus, inbetween the sobs for oxygen "I'm a bloody Officer, and I was dealing with a bona fide Counter-Revolutionary!"
The three men looked at each other, before the burliest said in a scarily patronising tone:
"We know. That's why we stopped you, and it's also why we're going to kill you right now."
autolycus went white, as the burly men raised their large swords and menacingly approached. Thankfully for the other members of PEXDET, the sandstorm's screams muffled and blended with autolycus' own.
Good show Renata, but the writeup of autolycus' death clearly show that you are an enemy. Don't bother trying to convince anyone that you're not Japanese.
Captain Blackadder
07-17-2010, 13:38
this is disgusting to be frank that such an obvious scum as Nictel could be second in the votes astonds me to all that question GH's leadership if you want to even have the hint that you are townies you should vote Nictel even if you do vote for revolt.
Death is yonder
07-17-2010, 15:01
Okay this is very confusing, I've been a diminutive individual, left out of the information loop, trusting that the higher ups will get things done.
Spoilered this very long posts, which addresses every question I have of the administration, because with this many things against them, these questions need to be answered publicly not privately, to restore public faith in the administration.
Entitled: The Utterly and Profoundly Confused Insignificant Comrade
Why am I confused? A very very large contradiction on the part of the administration.
Officers such as Jolt and our Chairman GH, are currently saying that Nictel needs to be lynched, as he is a Japanese.
Here GH says:
I'll tell you who flaked out: Nictel.
He was spotted visiting autolycus's tent by the tracker. Oh, look who happened to die? autolycus. Kill him now, we'll deal with Renata later.
It makes no sense:
The Japanese were in the write ups recruiting last night, but if Nictel was caught in Auto's tent, he definitely can't be a Japanese. Then why the false accusation?
We don't know all of them. The three we have positively identified are as follows:
Sigurd
Renata
Yes, I know Sigurd. I'll explain later on.
Nictel is, while not explicitly confirmed as one, is 99% Japanese. Reason being is he flaked out on Renata's vig group and was seen at autolycus's tent last night. That's about as confirming evidence as you can get without a positive identification.
Then we have split and double a, who came out of nowhere with this revolt. Split especially, who's been mostly inactive the entire game and suddenly the first post of any substance he makes is all coming out and trying to string me up. If I had to guess, I'd say that Split's been Japanese the whole time and Double A was recruited last night. But they can wait, and I'm less certain about them than the first three.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now, for Sigurd. Yes, he was Japanese the whole time. ACIN, with my approval, tried to go undercover and flush the rest of them out, pretending that he was a player aligned only to chaos. I think Sigurd suspected something though. We sacrificed Joooray for the sake of trying to take town three or four Japanese, but that time has passed. I'll provide you some of ACIN's and Sigurd's exchanges later, but from what we got out of it Sigurd had at least two comrades at the time, at least one of them being on the North Bank.
I had 7 people on Renata last night, including myself. Sigurd was one of them, I did this to keep cover. I knew he wouldn't show up. But that means three other people skimped out on orders as well. Obviously, Nictel was one of them. As for the other two, I'd bet Split and one of either ATPG, DiY, or Double A.
It is clear to me that the enemies of PEXDET are making an all-or-nothing play this turn to remove me from power. Fine, bring it on. But if you fail, then you're marked.
By the way, for any of you who are on the fence, look at who's tried to revolt against me in the past. YLC. Jap. Romanic. Unknown, but suspected KMT. Renata and Flax both had their reservations. Jap and recruited KMT. Sigurd. Jap. The list goes on and on...
But if Sigurd is Japanese like you say, then why on earth was he given 2 rounds of reprieve to sow discord? We lynched Joooray for nothing? You sent ACIN to gather information and go undercover with them, I don't know GH, but it looks like all that did was to give the Japs another 2 nights to kill and recruit :shrug:
Also, if you suspect Split so much, why are you offering him an officer position with full access to the existing officer information. More importantly, why are you offering this to everyone who questions you and votes for revolt? I'm very confused here. Previously the only reason you let Jolt into the officer's club was that he is supposedly 100% innocent, yet now anybody is good enough, as long as it gets them off your back.
What's happening GH? :embarassed:
Renata has been confirmed in investigation and and this night in the write-up.
Nictel has just been confirmed by the spotter.
Split and Double A have conviniently decided to try to create a revolt bandwagon early on, in the one turn where the Japanese are on the verge of surpassing us. So much that if they succeed in the revolt, then the Japanese will have equal numbers with the rest of the players, winning them the game.
I have been investigated as fully loyal and GH immediatly promoted me to the officer corps. If he isn't town, that is a pretty stupid move to do. As such, I have complete trust that GH is town, and it is obvious that anyone joining the revolt bandwagon means that it is a Japanese.
BTW Split, you also conviniently forgot to unvote.
Furthermore, what I'm seeing is Jolt, an officer, finding revolutionaries [imperialists and nationalists] everywhere, including Split, whom you are offering a role of power and full access to your existing officer QT.
IMO, I doubt you will be that silly to virtually give all the info, maybe even give a fake QT instead, so right now, I'm befuddled, then why are you giving false promises to people to get them off your back, for just 1 more round. It just doesn't make sense from a loyal communist viewpoint.
Its like what I questioned Renata earlier, why so desperate to last 1 more round?
ATPG: If I tell you, will you take your revolt off me?
When prompted to the crediblity of the investigator who was the basis for all cases of supposed confirmed innocence, you would give it out to ATPG just like that, someone, who is in your eyes, a loyal investigator to the cause. Maybe its just the uninformed me, but this smells of you selling him out, short changing him to hold on to power to seal the deal.
Split, if you are truly concerned for the welfare of PEXDET, then stop attempting to revolt. I will give you autolycus's position and let you in on everything.
-edit- This goes for any others who are truly concerned as well. My current officers will understand if they have to be replaced.
You earlier stated that all your officers were confirmed innocent, why then, are you offering to replace them with possibly dubious individuals who have yet to be confirmed.
Raaahhh!! I really want to try and believe that you are acting in the interests of the communists revolution, but I'm really struggling to add all this information together with the final result being that you are acting in our interests.
Yeap. As is obvious, this turn can be make-or-break for the town as the Japanese have the chance to push for the revolt, convince a few townies and its game over. But then if they fail, everyone that tried to push for the revolt is pretty much a Japanese.
Obviously the advantage of telling you this is that now probably noone is going to try and revolt so they don't lose their anonymity. But then we're telling you this because we already know who most of the Japanese are, so no harm done in not joining on the revolt. I was actually hoping some more did join and revealed themselves (Besides Sigurd and Renata) before starting to explain this whole thing. Pity.
Jolt, I would very much like to know why the officer corps seems to be totally ignoring the role of the KMT in the whole game. Everything is all "oh that guy is Jap, look another Jap, XYZ you are all Japanese fools". Where's any updates on the KMT? Why are the KMT totally being overlooked, is the officer corps comprising of certain KMT individuals. There can't be that many Japanese?
Just how many people do you think the Japanese started with? Because IIRC they only recruited once, last night. Right now you are proposing that the Japs started out with like 4-5 individuals, assuming KMT gets equal treatment, that's like at least 25% of individuals starting off being anti-communist. Factor in recruitment and all that, I'm not seeing it. The only possible motivation I can think of is that at least 1 of the officers are KMT fools, there is no reason for any loyal communist to be lying to the general public to strike fear into their hearts to persuade them to your cause towards the end.
What do you mean?
She was role-blocked.
Also, people are saying that Renata is confirmed Jap according to the write ups. My take on it is that the write ups only confirm that Renata was roleblocked by Auto.
I will quote Jolt again:
Renata has been confirmed in investigation and and this night in the write-up.
Why all the lying? The officer's corps is making a big mess of things now, you basically discover Imperialists, then let them live to spread terror and murder, then denounce them a few turns later after you picked out a few scapegoats to cover in between, then now you expose the imperialists to be lynched.
It just smacks of finding someone to blame everything on until its too late and the curtains fall, revealing the charade that previously laid hidden.
I can see no other possible explanation, other than a large possibility that I am one of several comrades unfortunately caught in the midst of a power struggle between the Nationalist Administration against the Imperialists
The final straw for me:
We're pushing for Nictel because we've already started to push for Nictel, and it's too late to stop now.
Because 15 hours was not enough time to reverse a 2 man bandwagon :stare:
Conclusion: GH and Jolt particularly, out of the officers, seem like they have a hidden agenda. They accused Nictel of being a Jap, but the Japanese were out recruiting the previous night. They try to supplement their conclusions by saying there's like 4-5 Japs, therefore this is possible, but that would mean that with only 1 recent recruitment, the Japs started out with 4-ish people and had the capability to swell to 6-10 people. Assuming KMT get equal treatment for balance, this would mean that Subo heavily imbalanced his game in favor of the mafia. I am not going to sink that low and slight Subo, and make that conclusion.
So what am I going to do?
Vote: Revolt
Vote: Jolt
Right now I'm setting my priorities straight, evidently the administration wields more power and needs to possibly be removed.
However:
Should the current administration be able to explain and justify all their actions, I will back down. Because what I'm seeing now, leaves me no reason to retain any support for the actions of the chairman/Jolt (in general the officers corps)
I highly encourage all individuals sitting on the fence or barely persuaded to stand down to read this. Because when I re-read through the recent developments and public information, so many of these caught my eye and compelled me to rethink my stance towards the officers corps.
Cute Wolf
07-17-2010, 16:32
vote : renata
sword wielding renata..... looks like a katana....
GeneralHankerchief
07-17-2010, 16:33
Okay, let's try to switch the votes from Nictel to Renata. I wasn't thinking clearly last night.
Okay this is very confusing, I've been a diminutive individual, left out of the information loop, trusting that the higher ups will get things done.
Spoilered this very long posts, which addresses every question I have of the administration, because with this many things against them, these questions need to be answered publicly not privately, to restore public faith in the administration.
Now let us see how I disassemble every single argument by the 微不足道的同志.
Entitled: The Utterly and Profoundly Confused Insignificant Comrade
Why am I confused? A very very large contradiction on the part of the administration.
Officers such as Jolt and our Chairman GH, are currently saying that Nictel needs to be lynched, as he is a Japanese.
Here GH says:
I'll tell you who flaked out: Nictel.
He was spotted visiting autolycus's tent by the tracker. Oh, look who happened to die? autolycus. Kill him now, we'll deal with Renata later.
It makes no sense:
The Japanese were in the write ups recruiting last night, but if Nictel was caught in Auto's tent, he definitely can't be a Japanese. Then why the false accusation?
Since when were the Japanese only recruiting last night? Have you failed to conviniently read that we have a guilty result on Renata, that we sent 7 (!) people after her and oniy 3 showed up? Do you also conviniently forgot that three people appeared in the write-up killing autolycus and said this (I'll bold it to make sure the 微不足道的同志 can get it this time):
autolycus had watched the whole debacle from behind Renata's tent, and tutted with disdain when the tall man was sent running for his life. Renata appeared cheerful and confident, but autolycus giggled when he thought of how comfortable Renata would be after a visit from autolycus, and his bludgeoning ways. autolycus readied his big stick in anticipation, as Renata approached, blissfully unaware of the danger that lay just behind his tent.
"Aha! Got you!"
autolycus' collar was yanked back with tremendous force, and he coughed and gagged as he was choked by the tough linen fabric. autolycus could only squeak as three burly men with swords as big as his legs dragged him back into the darkness, allowing Renata's blissful obliviousness to be happily justified. They pulled him along for about fifty yards, before they found a sufficiently secluded area behind a large boulder, where they dropped him, freeing his wind-pipe.
"You blundering idiots!" spluttered autolycus, inbetween the sobs for oxygen "I'm a bloody Officer, and I was dealing with a bona fide Counter-Revolutionary!"
The three men looked at each other, before the burliest said in a scarily patronising tone:
"We know. That's why we stopped you, and it's also why we're going to kill you right now."
We don't know all of them. The three we have positively identified are as follows:
Sigurd
Renata
Yes, I know Sigurd. I'll explain later on.
Nictel is, while not explicitly confirmed as one, is 99% Japanese. Reason being is he flaked out on Renata's vig group and was seen at autolycus's tent last night. That's about as confirming evidence as you can get without a positive identification.
Then we have split and double a, who came out of nowhere with this revolt. Split especially, who's been mostly inactive the entire game and suddenly the first post of any substance he makes is all coming out and trying to string me up. If I had to guess, I'd say that Split's been Japanese the whole time and Double A was recruited last night. But they can wait, and I'm less certain about them than the first three.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now, for Sigurd. Yes, he was Japanese the whole time. ACIN, with my approval, tried to go undercover and flush the rest of them out, pretending that he was a player aligned only to chaos. I think Sigurd suspected something though. We sacrificed Joooray for the sake of trying to take town three or four Japanese, but that time has passed. I'll provide you some of ACIN's and Sigurd's exchanges later, but from what we got out of it Sigurd had at least two comrades at the time, at least one of them being on the North Bank.
I had 7 people on Renata last night, including myself. Sigurd was one of them, I did this to keep cover. I knew he wouldn't show up. But that means three other people skimped out on orders as well. Obviously, Nictel was one of them. As for the other two, I'd bet Split and one of either ATPG, DiY, or Double A.
It is clear to me that the enemies of PEXDET are making an all-or-nothing play this turn to remove me from power. Fine, bring it on. But if you fail, then you're marked.
By the way, for any of you who are on the fence, look at who's tried to revolt against me in the past. YLC. Jap. Romanic. Unknown, but suspected KMT. Renata and Flax both had their reservations. Jap and recruited KMT. Sigurd. Jap. The list goes on and on...
But if Sigurd is Japanese like you say, then why on earth was he given 2 rounds of reprieve to sow discord? We lynched Joooray for nothing? You sent ACIN to gather information and go undercover with them, I don't know GH, but it looks like all that did was to give the Japs another 2 nights to kill and recruit :shrug:
It was a gamble agreed on by the officers corps at that time to try and find the Japanese members. It is now pointless as we now know most of them.
Also, if you suspect Split so much, why are you offering him an officer position with full access to the existing officer information. More importantly, why are you offering this to everyone who questions you and votes for revolt? I'm very confused here. Previously the only reason you let Jolt into the officer's club was that he is supposedly 100% innocent, yet now anybody is good enough, as long as it gets them off your back.
What's happening GH? :embarassed:
You'll see soon enough.
Furthermore, what I'm seeing is Jolt, an officer, finding revolutionaries [imperialists and nationalists] everywhere, including Split, whom you are offering a role of power and full access to your existing officer QT.
When did the 微不足道的同志 see me accuse anyone of being a nationalist?
IMO, I doubt you will be that silly to virtually give all the info, maybe even give a fake QT instead, so right now, I'm befuddled, then why are you giving false promises to people to get them off your back, for just 1 more round. It just doesn't make sense from a loyal communist viewpoint.
Its like what I questioned Renata earlier, why so desperate to last 1 more round?
Ace in the sleeve. Oh wait, you questioned Renata? :laugh4:
When prompted to the crediblity of the investigator who was the basis for all cases of supposed confirmed innocence, you would give it out to ATPG just like that, someone, who is in your eyes, a loyal investigator to the cause. Maybe its just the uninformed me, but this smells of you selling him out, short changing him to hold on to power to seal the deal.
It's just the uninformed you (Or is it the informed Renata? :laugh4:)
Raaahhh!! I really want to try and believe that you are acting in the interests of the communists revolution, but I'm really struggling to add all this information together with the final result being that you are acting in our interests.
I bet. Especially when its Renata's who's helping trying to understand the situation.
Jolt, I would very much like to know why the officer corps seems to be totally ignoring the role of the KMT in the whole game. Everything is all "oh that guy is Jap, look another Jap, XYZ you are all Japanese fools". Where's any updates on the KMT? Why are the KMT totally being overlooked, is the officer corps comprising of certain KMT individuals. There can't be that many Japanese?
Just how many people do you think the Japanese started with? Because IIRC they only recruited once, last night. Right now you are proposing that the Japs started out with like 4-5 individuals, assuming KMT gets equal treatment, that's like at least 25% of individuals starting off being anti-communist. Factor in recruitment and all that, I'm not seeing it. The only possible motivation I can think of is that at least 1 of the officers are KMT fools, there is no reason for any loyal communist to be lying to the general public to strike fear into their hearts to persuade them to your cause towards the end.
It looks like the 微不足道的同志 also needs a math review:
Last turn: Renata (1, roleblocked) + 3 attackers = 4
4 + 2 recruiters = 5
5 + 1 recruited = 6?
Now, from there we have two setups. Either we have a few or no KMTs left, and they have to join the town to stop the Japanese (Which gives the KMT time out and still a chance to win the game) or they don't help and the Japanese win the game (Which makes the KMT lose the game, btw)
OR the KMT is also large (And managed to pass through our radars) and the townies are so few that by now this game is basically a struggle between the KMT and the Japanese, with the Japanese having a clear upper hand by now.
I'm willing to bet on the first.
Also, people are saying that Renata is confirmed Jap according to the write ups. My take on it is that the write ups only confirm that Renata was roleblocked by Auto.
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
I would advise the 微不足道的同志 to buy a set of glasses so he can better read the write-up.
Or was it Renata who said that all that could be found about her in the write-up is the role-block (Which, frankly is the only thing that the write-up the doesn't show.)
If you're not Japanese, but a townie, you're pretty damn gullible.
I will quote Jolt again:
Renata has been confirmed in investigation and and this night in the write-up.
Why all the lying? The officer's corps is making a big mess of things now, you basically discover Imperialists, then let them live to spread terror and murder, then denounce them a few turns later after you picked out a few scapegoats to cover in between, then now you expose the imperialists to be lynched.
"We know. That's why we stopped you, and it's also why we're going to kill you right now."
DiY, why all the lying? :laugh4:
Or wait, was it Renata who told you that was a lie?
[B][U]They accused Nictel of being a Jap, but the Japanese were out recruiting the previous night
Besides killing Autolycus. You fail to see that the Japanese have more than 2 people.
They try to supplement their conclusions by saying there's like 4-5 Japs, therefore this is possible, but that would mean that with only 1 recent recruitment, the Japs started out with 4-ish people and had the capability to swell to 6-10 people. Assuming KMT get equal treatment for balance, this would mean that Subo heavily imbalanced his game in favor of the mafia. I am not going to sink that low and slight Subo, and make that conclusion.
I assume they had the same treatment but then they were getting killed or got roped into groups. The end result is here.
So what am I going to do?
Vote: Revolt
Vote: Jolt
Right now I'm setting my priorities straight, evidently the administration wields more power and needs to possibly be removed.
However:
Should the current administration be able to explain and justify all their actions, I will back down. Because what I'm seeing now, leaves me no reason to retain any support for the actions of the chairman/Jolt (in general the officers corps)
Yes, I'm sure that by listening to Renata you give yourself the impression of a townie upon the rest of the people.
We sacrificed Joooray [...]
:furious3: :furious3: :furious3:
Death is yonder
07-17-2010, 17:17
Since when were the Japanese only recruiting last night? Have you failed to conviniently read that we have a guilty result on Renata, that we sent 7 (!) people after her and oniy 3 showed up? Do you also conviniently forgot that three people appeared in the write-up killing autolycus and said this (I'll bold it to make sure the 微不足道的同志 can get it this time):
Jolt, are you telling me that Japanese conversions don't appear in the write up? I believe my eyes, and there has been only one since the start of the game. Don't lie to me, its counter-productive. This is precisely why I think you need to be lynched, for some reason you are being rather antagonistic, and things like this aren't helping:
No.1: Sarcastically referring to me in Chinese (Which I will not translate out of respect for the rule of the board, and not to heat things up [getting slightly personal])
No.2: Insisting I require a pair of glasses
When did the 微不足道的同志 see me accuse anyone of being a nationalist?
Precisely, I was wondering why the officers were not focusing on the KMT, despite the write ups clearly showing them having significantly more recruits than the Japs, IIRC 2-3 recruits as opposed to Japs 1.
Or was it Renata who said that all that could be found about her in the write-up is the role-block (Which, frankly is the only thing that the write-up the doesn't show.)
If you're not Japanese, but a townie, you're pretty damn gullible.
Not helping. Period.
I'm referencing to it, because clearly the write up only confirms that auto was doing his duty, role blocking Renata. The rest is all merely (possibly) implied items, which you are taking as gospel truths from Subo.
DiY, why all the lying?
Or wait, was it Renata who told you that was a lie?
Sarcasm is not going to help legitimate concerns from my viewpoint Jolt, this is getting slightly aggravating.
Besides killing Autolycus. You fail to see that the Japanese have more than 2 people.
I don't even know that they were Japs, they could be KMT for all I know. Excuse me, but I'm not in the officers corps. I've been muddling around following orders since Day 1 because I had nothing else to do.
Yes, I'm sure that by listening to Renata you give yourself the impression of a townie upon the rest of the people.
Right, so the entirety of my argument is fed to me by Renata.
You are not helping the officers by ridiculing the very parties you need to persuade to your side Jolt. These are legitimate concerns from people who are not in the officer corps and lack access to this information.
GH, I really appreciate your efforts to come and contact me in private regarding my concerns, but really, I stated to answer this in public because I suspect these are the same concerns shared by several other confused comrades (such as Split/Double A)
Since when were the Japanese only recruiting last night?
DiY is correct, the Japanese made only one attempt at recruiting and it was last night. Every other attempt, including the failed one on DiY, were made by the KMT. It is sad that an officer like you is not aware of this.
Jolt, are you telling me that Japanese conversions don't appear in the write up? I believe my eyes, and there has been only one since the start of the game. Don't lie to me, its counter-productive. This is precisely why I think you need to be lynched, for some reason you are being rather antagonistic, and things like this aren't helping:
No.1: Sarcastically referring to me in Chinese (Which I will not translate out of respect for the rule of the board, and not to heat things up [getting slightly personal])
No.2: Insisting I require a pair of glasses
It is me playing the game. As I said, this is nothing personal. I am merely mocking what I see as deeply flawed arguments.
Precisely, I was wondering why the officers were not focusing on the KMT, despite the write ups clearly showing them having significantly more recruits than the Japs, IIRC 2-3 recruits as opposed to Japs 1.
Just skimmed the Summary Thread and could only find one successful KMT conversion. Same as the Japanese.
As to not focusing on the KMT, I explained that in the last post. You on the other hand, accused me of seeing Japanese and Nationalists everywhere, when that is clearly a lie.
Not helping. Period.
Considering you were discussing things with Renata, of all people, I'm sorry if I express my deepest doubts anything I say will help.
I'm referencing to it, because clearly the write up only confirms that auto was doing his duty, role blocking Renata.
Actually, the write-up doesn't confirm Autolycus doing anything other than standing next to Renata's tent. If we had no knowledge of the game mechanics, I'd lean more to autolycus not blocking Renata.
The rest is all merely (possibly) implied items, which you are taking as gospel truths from Subo.
In a setting where there are a meager 13 people left, you're saying Subotan is inventing extra Japanese people that don't actually exist? Sorry, not buying it.
Sarcasm is not going to help legitimate concerns from my viewpoint Jolt, this is getting slightly aggravating.
Sorry, you have lost all legitimacy in my eyes when you mentioned you discuss the present setting with Renata and are voting to revolt and to lynch a townie officer all in the same post (Which as I explained, makes the Japanese win the game, so yeah).
I don't even know that they were Japs, they could be KMT for all I know. Excuse me, but I'm not in the officers corps. I've been muddling around following orders since Day 1 because I had nothing else to do.
Yes, the KMTs would murder an officer who was clearly (even according to Renata herself) going to roleblock a Japanese, in turn allowing more Japanese to remain alive.
Right, so the entirety of my argument is fed to me by Renata.
Is it not? You're using Japanese arguments of trying to discredit the hit of autolycus, of discussing the game with a known Japanese, and voting exactly in the same pattern I say the Japanese would (And are. Just look at Renata.).
You are not helping the officers by ridiculing the very parties you need to persuade to your side Jolt. These are legitimate concerns from people who are not in the officer corps and lack access to this information.
It is indeed curious that nobody disputes the fact that Renata is a Japanese (Besides herself), yet you're not voting for her, yet going after me.
Do I really need to address your "legitimate" concerns when you're using that logic?
DiY is correct, the Japanese made only one attempt at recruiting and it was last night. Every other attempt, including the failed one on DiY, were made by the KMT. It is sad that an officer like you is not aware of this.
I'm only an officer for 1 day. Becoming an officer doesn't equal becoming omniscient and knowing everything going on in this game or remembering every single piece of information in the write-ups (Especially when the said person was largely inactive during that period.)
EDIT: Besides that phrase you quote was for "Last Night". Unless you know that the KMT were also recruiting last night, I'd be happy to concede reason to DiY.
I'm only an officer for 1 day. Becoming an officer doesn't equal becoming omniscient and knowing everything going on in this game or remembering every single piece of information in the write-ups (Especially when the said person was largely inactive during that period.)
Power means responsibility. As an officer you should be knowledgeable of the current and past events, otherwise you cannot make the right decisions.
Anyway, there's not only one recruiting attempt by the KMT but four. Look at my previous post here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128827-A-Bridge-Zhou-Far-Three-Stars-Rising-IN-PLAY&p=2521928&viewfull=1#post2521928).
Death is yonder
07-17-2010, 18:27
Hmm, no updates on the situation, being taunted by an officer. No-brainer decision on whether to give the benefit of the doubt.
1am my time, round ends ~4-5am my time, any updates by GH were inconclusive up till now (I appreciate that you tried though, unlike Jolt who mocked me [RE: Chinese word]) so I'm making this decision based on what information and interpretations I have at this point.
@Jolt: 我对你没有问题，但是，你说我是微不足道的同志， 啊。。。 对啊，就是应为我是微不足道的同志， 就在这儿的情况这样做。
如你正确要做的是帮助我， 啊，太迟了。
I love irony, don't you? :inquisitive:
[Note: This is not an insult, merely providing a sense of irony]
Becoming an officer doesn't equal becoming omniscient and knowing everything going on in this game or remembering every single piece of information in the write-ups
I don't expect you to memorize, as an officer, you are suppose to have this information at hand to refer to.
You don't just become part of GH's supposed trusted circle just to know nothing? Evidently he trusts you, are you claiming he is withholding information?
As I said, this is nothing personal. I am merely mocking what I see as deeply flawed arguments.
Therein lies the problem.
As to not focusing on the KMT, I explained that in the last post. You on the other hand, accused me of seeing Japanese and Nationalists everywhere, when that is clearly a lie.
You made a clearly sweeping statement denouncing all who voted for revolt as Japs, without taking the time to consider from an uninformed persons point of view, where nothing is certain, little information but the confusion in public exists, and you don't assist. So by your counts, we have at least 5-6 Japs. I dispute that supposition.
Considering you were discussing things with Renata, of all people, I'm sorry if I express my deepest doubts anything I say will help
Excuse me if I'm not involved in the officer's club, but I lack information, and until very recently, Renata has been a fairly reputable source [Investigator, fairly good player at the game].
Actually, the write-up doesn't confirm Autolycus doing anything other than standing next to Renata's tent. If we had no knowledge of the game mechanics, I'd lean more to autolycus not blocking Renata.
We do, hence my interpretation. I'm entitled to that aren't I, or does that fall under officer jurisdiction as well?
In a setting where there are a meager 13 people left, you're saying Subotan is inventing extra Japanese people that don't actually exist? Sorry, not buying it.
I'm saying you are.
Sorry, you have lost all legitimacy in my eyes when you mentioned you discuss the present setting with Renata and are voting to revolt and to lynch a townie officer all in the same post (Which as I explained, makes the Japanese win the game, so yeah).
No.1: Your not being helpful
No.2: Despite all the repeated pleas to retain trust for just a little while, surely you can't expect people to simply follow the administration like mindless lambs without any questions about the authenticity of which the officer's innocence has been ascertained.
No.3: Like I said, I don't have all the information at your fingertips.
Yes, the KMTs would murder an officer who was clearly (even according to Renata herself) going to roleblock a Japanese, in turn allowing more Japanese to remain alive.
And you would know this, how? Its all guesswork, previously you mention not having lots of information (omniscient) yet here you declare something not confirmed as obvious?
Is it not? You're using Japanese arguments of trying to discredit the hit of autolycus, of discussing the game with a known Japanese, and voting exactly in the same pattern I say the Japanese would (And are. Just look at Renata.).
And how do you expect me to respond Jolt? I'm acting with what little scraps of information I have, along with my take on the matter.
I've already explained the rational for my votes, are you saying that I am simply making zero sense, illogical person that I am?
Do I really need to address your "legitimate" concerns when you're using that logic?
I take one look and shake my head.
a completely inoffensive name
07-17-2010, 18:47
Ok, so for everyone who is not understanding what is going on here. I'm talking to the 2 people I think who are still innocent. Basically, me and GH probably ****** up a lot of things. We came in here thinking we were the Minerals Management Service getting to chill and do nothing while the two mafia groups fought each other, the equivalent to partying with cocaine and hookers while companies "competed" for spots and "self regulated".
Now we realize we have a BP oil spill on our hands. But instead of the oil being inert, this oil comes in two groups KMT and Japanese. And both want to destroy our beach community on the Gulf Coast or in this case, all of China.
The Japanese oil is more then the KMT oil (I think) in terms of volume, so they told the KMT, hey if we work together, we can over throw the MMS. But the KMT didn't realize just how stupid we were and the Japs did because I tried talking to one of the oil spills (Sigurd) and tried to get him to turn on his other oil spill buddies and they knew that as long as they put up a solid front we would be their sucker. That's pretty much what is going on right now. So now the Japanese oil wants control by asking for a revolt and now wants oil in control of the MMS and the KMT oil is like "WTF mate?" and they realize, "oh ****, we need to kill the Japanese water as well".
So now it's pretty much a cluster****, and I don't know what is going on. And I'm scared. And hungry. In all honestly we (the town) are probably screwed. Which is why I'm not giving a crap anymore and just watching how this all plays out. Although if anyone has something for me to do, I'm down for it.
Alright, I'm going to a Native-American casino and losing 20 dollars. I'll be back in like 12 hours at the most. I'll check my phone browser if anyone wants to PM me.
Power means responsibility. As an officer you should be knowledgeable of the current and past events, otherwise you cannot make the right decisions.
Anyway, there's not only one recruiting attempt by the KMT but four. Look at my previous post here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128827-A-Bridge-Zhou-Far-Three-Stars-Rising-IN-PLAY&p=2521928&viewfull=1#post2521928).
On Night 2, I see nothing that says that one person has been converted by the KMT. On Night 7 I also see nothing which states that a person has been converted by the KMT.
I don't expect you to memorize, as an officer, you are suppose to have this information at hand to refer to.
You don't just become part of GH's supposed trusted circle just to know nothing? Evidently he trusts you, are you claiming he is withholding information?
I have, and he trusts me, and no I am not claiming any such thing. I said the quoted phrase in regards to the recruit attempts that Romanic spoke about (Which I went to check in the write-up and found nothing which makes me think there is more than 1 KMT recruitee)
Therein lies the problem.
No, the problem lies in the fact that you are using Japanese as your "trustworthy" source.
You made a clearly sweeping statement denouncing all who voted for revolt as Japs, without taking the time to consider from an uninformed persons point of view, where nothing is certain, little information but the confusion in public exists, and you don't assist. So by your counts, we have at least 5-6 Japs. I dispute that supposition.
Little information? Renata is a known Japanese. A massive kill attempt against her failed. This is not disputed by anyone. Why not vote for her?
Nictel is known to have bailed on the attempt to kill Renata and has been found to have killed Autolycus. This is not disputed by anyone Why not vote for him?
Sigurd has been investigated and confirmed communist. This is not disputed by anyone. Why not vote for him?
I'd even mention the bandwagon again, but I digress.
Plenty of Imperialists to lynch.
Excuse me if I'm not involved in the officer's club, but I lack information, and until very recently, Renata has been a fairly reputable source [Investigator, fairly good player at the game].
Yes, until she was herself investigated.
We do, hence my interpretation. I'm entitled to that aren't I, or does that fall under officer jurisdiction as well?
Yes you are. But we all have the information necessary to lynch quite a handful of Japanese. GH has already said for everyone to lynch Renata (Japanese, undisputed).
I'm saying you are.
Hm? I'm buying that Subotan is inventing extra Japanese? *sigh*
No.1: Your not being helpful
No.2: Despite all the repeated pleas to retain trust for just a little while, surely you can't expect people to simply follow the administration like mindless lambs without any questions about the authenticity of which the officer's innocence has been ascertained.
No.3: Like I said, I don't have all the information at your fingertips.
I'm not being helpful? I'm voting to lynch a damn Japanese! You're voting to revolt and lynch an innocent officer! I've been explaining to you everything time and again. No2. What do you want us to do to prove that we're authentic? Uh? By finding Imperialists and Nationalists? That is exactly what we're doing!
And you would know this, how? Its all guesswork, previously you mention not having lots of information (omniscient) yet here you declare something not confirmed as obvious?
Omniscient means "Knowing EVERYTHING". Well, the KMT can be stupid, I'll give you that. But then we have Nictel who bailed to kill Renata (Who is Japanese) to kill autolycus (Who was roleblocking her). So, in the guesswork that is this game, I'd say it makes sense.
And how do you expect me to respond Jolt? I'm acting with what little scraps of information I have, along with my take on the matter.
If you're a townie, I expect you to unrevolt and lynch someone who is confirmed to be a Japanese.
I've already explained the rational for my votes, are you saying that I am simply making zero sense, illogical person that I am?
Like I said, for a Japanese, you're making perfect logic.
Askthepizzaguy
07-17-2010, 21:58
Tally:
Jolt: Double A, ATPG, Sigurd, Nictel, Renata, DIY (6)
Nictel: Blackadder, Split (2)
Renata: ACIN, Cute Wolf, Jolt (3)
Revolt: Double A, ATPG, Sigurd, Nictel, Renata, DIY (6/9)
When does the turn end?
EDIT: Oh well. Good game guys.
Sigurd has been investigated and confirmed communist. This is not disputed by anyone. Why not vote for him?
A Freudian slip there my friend?
A good show there from all of the imperialists hiding among the officers.
So only three showed up at Renata's tent. Well I know I didn't change my orders, so that means someone else did. And I believe GH was one of them.
Yes, another frame attempt just like the one with Yaseikhaan.
Joooray, an innocent townie took the fall after I got a bit bothersome and perhaps came too close to the truth about the true nature of the officers.
You killed Yaseikhaan to get your last Nippo into the officer corps. That much is clearly evident after having read these latest posts.
And then you killed autolycus to frame Renata once more. It was only Jolt who read confirmed Jap in that writeup. Anyone else could clearly see that this was just a description of autolycus found to be at Renata's tent.
Maybe you instructed Subotan to put down something incriminating in the writeup, and Subotan didn't quite comply?
The whole - we knew Sigurd was scum, but decided to let him live just to get to the others, is the biggest pile of horse manure I have seen on this side of the Urals.
I have not been in contact with ACIN, and if the officers magically produce anything, they are clearly fabricated.
The secluded game play by the officers has reeked of scum since the day we elected GH into the chairman seat. I smelled a rotten fish as soon as GH chose ACIN as investigator. No offence to you ACIN, but it was an odd choice. That got me to think GH and ACIN had a connection before the election. That would be the two dream positions of any scum in the game. The ability to control investigations.
Yes you lynched YLC, a known Jap. But I believe that was just to get an alibi. I can't see that YLC is active or have been, so I figure it was convenient.
A Freudian slip there my friend?
A good show there from all of the imperialists hiding among the officers.
So only three showed up at Renata's tent. Well I know I didn't change my orders, so that means someone else did. And I believe GH was one of them.
Yes, another frame attempt just like the one with Yaseikhaan.
Joooray, an innocent townie took the fall after I got a bit bothersome and perhaps came too close to the truth about the true nature of the officers.
You killed Yaseikhaan to get your last Nippo into the officer corps. That much is clearly evident after having read these latest posts.
And then you killed autolycus to frame Renata once more. It was only Jolt who read confirmed Jap in that writeup. Anyone else could clearly see that this was just a description of autolycus found to be at Renata's tent.
Maybe you instructed Subotan to put down something incriminating in the writeup, and Subotan didn't quite comply?
The whole - we knew Sigurd was scum, but decided to let him live just to get to the others, is the biggest pile of horse manure I have seen on this side of the Urals.
I have not been in contact with ACIN, and if the officers magically produce anything, they are clearly fabricated.
The secluded game play by the officers has reeked of scum since the day we elected GH into the chairman seat. I smelled a rotten fish as soon as GH chose ACIN as investigator. No offence to you ACIN, but it was an odd choice. That got me to think GH and ACIN had a connection before the election. That would be the two dream positions of any scum in the game. The ability to control investigations.
Yes you lynched YLC, a known Jap. But I believe that was just to get an alibi. I can't see that YLC is active or have been, so I figure it was convenient.
...Heck. You even care enough to make a post trying to defend yourself when everyone knows you're a Japanese? But don't you worry, because you and Renata are not long to last. The KMT now knows who you Japanese are thanks to our information, so now the axe will fall.
Askthepizzaguy
07-18-2010, 00:32
...Heck. You even care enough to make a post trying to defend yourself when everyone knows you're a Japanese? But don't you worry, because you and Renata are not long to last. The KMT now knows who you Japanese are thanks to our information, so now the axe will fall.
Who are the KMT?
Ahem. "Thanks to your information?"
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