View Full Version : Large Mafia Game A Bridge Zhou Far - Three Stars Rising [Concluded]
As predicted, the People's Extraordinary Detachment eventually decided to rest for the night near the south bank of the river. "Bank" implies that a sandy beach slides down to the lips of a quiet, peaceful river sea. That was not the case, for this was the Nuqi River. The grass approaching the river was torn from it's gentle amble towards the shore into a sheer hundred feet of scraggly cliff edges and broken rocks, before plunging into a raging torrent of white fire. The river ripped at the sides of the gorge with a ferocious energy that turned all Communists pale, and left none with a sense of security.
But if anyone was left feeling insecure, it was TheFlax, for he had been chosen by the Proletarian Masses to be the most likely to be an imperialist. He had been caught visiting not one, but two tents during the night.
"What kind of Working Class Hero visits two tents at night when he claims that he shall only visit one?" bellowed GeneralHankerchief at TheFlax "Deceit and lies such as this serve only to undermine the Chinese Soviet Republic and the victory for which it fights! All night actions must be co-ordinated and organised by me, lest we nurture the growth of the repulsive fungus of Bourgeois Treachery. Although it is now too late for TheFlax to take heed of this vital warning, I strongly urge the rest of you Comrades to watch what happens when the Officer Corps are left uniformed. Thank you for your understanding."
Oblivious to the protests of the other members of the Fengxi Clique, GeneralHankerchief snapped his fingers, and Yaesikhaan appeared at his side like an apparition. Seeing him appear, TheFlax gasped and struggled to emit a reply
"But...but...I'm innocent! I was protecting roles! I was putting myself in the place of my defendees, to sacrifice myself for the Chinese Nation, just as Beefy187 did! To kill me would be madness!"
Yaseikhaan looked up, dark eyes slipping out under the brim of his Mao hat, before letting out in a sinister whisper
"Madness? This. Is. CHINAAAAA!"
Still screaming that last syllable, he ran up to TheFlax, and with a sledgehammer kick to the chest, he lifted TheFlax off the ground where he had been kneeling, and sent him hurtling through the air. He soared over the long grass, too winded to scream, before plunging down over the edge of the Nuqi Gorge, plummeting to certain death with an eerie silence.
"That makes such a change from the usual blood and guts" complimented GeneralHankerchief to the satisfied Yaseikhaan. "But now, onto other business. As you have just seen, the Nuqi River is hard to cross. We have two options to get across it. One, is the Lanmu Bridge, which you can see just in front of you. As you can see, it is a very old and possibly rotten ropebridge, and it may be perilous to cross.
The alternative, is a large stone bridge three days walk downstream, the Wenti Bridge. However, there is a fortress placed over the bridge, and it is not unlikely that a Kuomintang Force of an unknown size will be stationed there. Three days is of course a long time to divert, and we must take into account the fact that the Japanese may be behind us, and that travel will be slow thanks to the mountain gun.
You must decide, soldiers of PEXDET, since I cannot make such an important decision for you. We must come to a collective decision so as to ensure unity and happiness.
Oh, and I have information which proves that Psychonaut was in fact a Kuomintang Agent! Although he was not the Kuomintang Colonel, it is clear beyond doubt that our Japanese foes have done us a great service by slaying Psychonaut. Truly, such divisions within the International Bourgeosie must be exploited to ensure the collective victory of the international working class!
It is now the night phase. This phase shall end in approximately 23 hours time at 21:00 GMT+1. There is now an Incident taking place, and you have two proposals, Agree:Lanmu Bridge and Agree:Wenti Bridge. This will have an important outcome for the game (Much as the others did, although their outcomes were far more subtle), contrary to certain player's comments (Here's looking at you Romanic).
The Fengxi Clique has disintegrated!
The Flax - 8 - ACIN, Cute Wolf, Joooray, landlubber, DIY, ATPG, Renata, Yaseikhaan
Cute Wolf - 3 - TheFlax, WEW, Sigurd
aThis - 1 - CDF
Revolt: Romanic, aThis - REVOLT FAILED
Didn't vote: ELEVEN -
autolycus
AVSM
Captain Blackadder
Double A
Jolt
M3YUZ
miotas
Nictel
Seamus Fermanagh
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
YLC
The Bad list returns...
Alive players: 25/40
ACIN
ArpeggiateTHIS
askthepizzaguy
autolycus
AVSM
Captain Blackadder
Cultured Drizzt fan
Cute Wolf
Death is yonder
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
Joooray
landlubber
M3YUZ
miotas
Nictel
Renata
Romanic
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
wideyedwanderer
Yaseikhaan
YLC
Lynched players 6/40
Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
TheFlax
Killed Players 7/40
Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
Devoured by Rats - 2
Thermal Mercury
Wishazu
All night actions must be co-ordinated and organised by me, lest we nurture the growth of the repulsive fungus of Bourgeois Treachery.
I wuv you Subotan. :)
Let me guess: our choices are to lose 1/3 of our number now or lose 1/3 of our number in a few days? Can we lose them all from the bad list?
agree: Nuqi, but I'm open to an argument with actual thought behind it. I know what I'll be doing tomorrow.
Why is Renata listed as being lynched instead of me?
On Night 4, Psychonaut was killed by a Japanese Officer, while protecting someone.
Knowledge of who Psychonaut was protecting, and who was in the group with him (if it was a protection group) would help a lot in deduction making. Is this knowledge that our leaders would agree to share?
***
It is now the night phase. This phase shall end in approximately 23 hours time at 21:00 GMT+1. There is now an Incident taking place, and you have two proposals, Agree:Nuqi Bridge and Agree:Wenti Bridge. This will have an important outcome for the game (Much as the others did, although their outcomes were far more subtle), contrary to certain player's comments (Here's looking at you Romanic).Hey! It wasn't a bad critic at you, I was just giving my thoughts on the incidents. And I like the idea, it encourage discussion.
***
Let me guess: our choices are to lose 1/3 of our number now or lose 1/3 of our number in a few days? Can we lose them all from the bad list?Why are you saying we'll lose 1/3 of our numbers now, or later? Where did you get that idea?
***
I think that delaying our march for 3 days and heading toward a KMT fortress is worse than trying our luck on a shaky ropebridge, so...
Agree:Nuqi Bridge
GeneralHankerchief
06-30-2010, 00:13
We have a mortar, a flamethrower, and a giant mountain gun. I'd like to make use of them, but that's just me. The weapons we're carrying are also heavy... having played enough Choose Your Own Adventure games in my lifetime, it would seem like the combination of heavy weapons + shaky bridge would not give us the best result.
Why are you saying we'll lose 1/3 of our numbers now, or later? Where did you get that idea?
I didn't, just being facetious -- it looks like a Hobson's choice. Neither option is good.
a completely inoffensive name
06-30-2010, 00:28
Oh for Christ sakes guys. GH is clean. I'm sorry that I didn't have the time to examine Pinman by the time he was lynched and I'm sorry that i felt that telling GH the list Pinman gave me would compromise those players. Like I said, the first 2-3 days somehow everyone I was attempting to investigate was murdered the night of my investigation. So excuse me for not trusting anyone. Also, like I said earlier my voting record sucks because I was gone for a good 33 hours due to Disneyland and because I like to sleep in 12-14 hours at a time. That's my bad though.
Hey Renata, you want to know what is going on with the officers? Fine, you are my deputy from now on. Send me and Subo a PM accepting the role and I'll give you the necessary info and links.
For real? You might want to talk to GH about that. I'm half expecting to be vigged tonight due to a similar situation as with Secura.
a completely inoffensive name
06-30-2010, 00:32
For real. I have told GH in the proper channels I'm hiring you.
Seamus Fermanagh
06-30-2010, 00:40
For real. I have told GH in the proper channels I'm hiring you.
Quick work with that resume ACIN. Are you sure this isn't one of those eeo deals?
Just kidding.
Voting has been sloppy for me, will try to do better. Protection orders have been on time and in place throughout.
If GH is mafia, he has pretty much everyone fooled in the rest of the officer corps -- no mean feat. While not impossible, I don't think that is the way to bet either. I would have voted flax as well today for those counting such things.
No, I wouldn't bet that way either. With the information from today any conspiracy would have to include GH, ACIN, whoever investigated ACIN -- that's an all or nothing strategy, and if he's managed it that well, he deserves the victory.
Will send a PM, ACIN.
seireikhaan
06-30-2010, 00:55
The years of goosebumps past is telling me to agree: Wenti bridge
Cultured Drizzt fan
06-30-2010, 01:59
Agree: Nuqi Bridge
I don't trust rope bridges. Ever.
Really quick people, what are we armed with? Oh, yeah, bolt-action rifles, pistols, and MAYBE a couple submachine guns. This is not enough, at all, to try and deal with an entrenched foe on the opposite side of a bridge - it's a way to create a disaster. Single file, maybe even one at a time, across the rope bridge - we don't have enough in weight to actually risk breaking the bridge so long as we do it intelligently.
Or we could attempt to throw ourselves at KMT defenses as we attempt to cross a bridge with no cover, no line of sight on the enemy, little in the way of heavier firepower, and right into the arms of one of our enemies.
Agree:Nuqi.
GeneralHankerchief
06-30-2010, 02:03
CDF, Wenti is the stone bridge. Nuqi is the rope bridge that you don't trust.
Oh yeah, and
Agree: Wenti
Cultured Drizzt fan
06-30-2010, 02:06
CDF, Wenti is the stone bridge. Nuqi is the rope bridge that you don't trust.
Oh yeah, and
Agree: Wenti
ahhhh............................
oh. Unagree: Nuqi, Agree: Wenti
CDF, Wenti is the stone bridge. Nuqi is the rope bridge that you don't trust.
Oh yeah, and
Agree: Wenti
But the Japanese love paper, and paper always beats rock.
You will lose to their secret origami methods.
GeneralHankerchief
06-30-2010, 02:12
Also, we have a flamethrower, a mortar, and A FREAKING MOUNTAIN GUN. Why would God Subotan not provide these wonderful tools of destruction for us if we weren't meant to use them to storm a fortress in the most awesome manner possible?
Sasaki Kojiro
06-30-2010, 02:23
What did beefy end up flipping?
There's only 26 of us, comrade Chairman, I think you are overestimating the value of our weapons. How many soldiers do you expect a KMT fortress to have? The guns we have won't help against a strong militia. Besides, the KMT does not know where we are, or we would have been attacked. Why would we go near a KMT fortress and give away our position?
We can be careful on the bridge, and go one at a time. If some of the guns are too heavy, we can leave them. Our goal is not to fight the enemy, but to reach Ya'nan Russia safely. Delaying it 3 days AND going toward the enemy is a bad idea.
Double A
06-30-2010, 03:08
Can someone please tell me why Flaxy was in my tent?
Askthepizzaguy
06-30-2010, 03:09
I take the stone bridge. Agree: Wenti
Can someone please tell me why Flaxy was in my tent?
Surprise B......
Double A
06-30-2010, 03:32
That neither clarifies nor comforts me, Beskar.
Agree: Wenti
Even if we're outnumbered, we can hang back and use our mountain gun. The rope bridge means we'll more than likely have to abandon our artillery, which is always a bad idea.
Can someone please tell me why Flaxy was in my tent?
My ex-clique and I were asked to protect you. That's what we did.
The stone bridge is the better option. Even if it is defended, we get to blow up some capitalist running dogs with our mortar ~D
Agree: Wenti
wideyedwanderer
06-30-2010, 03:57
We can cross the rope bridge and probably lose our mountain gun - the mountain gun we've lugged all this way so far - or we can use that mountain gun to kick some kuomintang butt. I say Agree: Wenti.
Everyone who know a little about military tactics knows that a bridge like that is very important and the KMT is likely to have a strong garrison, especially with a Fortress around. If they weren't guarding it, an enemy could cross it and then destroy it.
And we can't take the stealthty route either, try to pass the KMT fortress at night. Who will stop the KMT spies from giving away our position? That's a big risk.
Subotan specified that this choice will have an important outcome! Stop thinking that we're invincible because we have some guns. I'm a peasant for :daisy:'s sake, like many of you! We don't stand a chance against Nationalist soldiers, even with a good gun!
Mao, during the Long March, used deception to keep hidden from the Nationalist eyes. He made unlikely moves, and fought the enemy where they were weak (guerilla warfare 101). A fortress is not a weak point. We can get crushed and forced to retreat, plus they will know where we are.
Think! The rope bridge will not break suddenly if we cross it one by one. We're not stupid, we will take all the necessary precautions. We will test it, and we will know after 2-3 crossings if the bridge is strong enough. Who cares if we leave the heavy guns, gee. Let's drop them in the gorge to make sure nobody else gets them!
There's no good arguments to head toward the stone bridge, you guys are just thinking about picking a fight, something we are not strong nor numerous enough for.
Cultured Drizzt fan
06-30-2010, 04:37
Everyone who know a little about military tactics knows that a bridge like that is very important and the KMT is likely to have a strong garrison, especially with a Fortress around. If they weren't guarding it, an enemy could cross it and then destroy it.
And we can't take the stealthty route either, try to pass the KMT fortress at night. Who will stop the KMT spies from giving away our position? That's a big risk.
Subotan specified that this choice will have an important outcome! Stop thinking that we're invincible because we have some guns. I'm a peasant for :daisy:'s sake, like many of you! We don't stand a chance against Nationalist soldiers, even with a good gun!
Mao, during the Long March, used deception to keep hidden from the Nationalist eyes. He made unlikely moves, and fought the enemy where they were weak (guerilla warfare 101). A fortress is not a weak point. We can get crushed and forced to retreat, plus they will know where we are.
Think! The rope bridge will not break suddenly if we cross it one by one. We're not stupid, we will take all the necessary precautions. We will test it, and we will know after 2-3 crossings if the bridge is strong enough. Who cares if we leave the heavy guns, gee. Let's drop them in the gorge to make sure nobody else gets them!
There's no good arguments to head toward the stone bridge, you guys are just thinking about picking a fight, something we are not strong nor numerous enough for.
Speak for yourself. I am invincible :beam:
Everyone who know a little about military tactics knows that a bridge like that is very important and the KMT is likely to have a strong garrison, especially with a Fortress around. If they weren't guarding it, an enemy could cross it and then destroy it.
And we can't take the stealthty route either, try to pass the KMT fortress at night. Who will stop the KMT spies from giving away our position? That's a big risk.
Subotan specified that this choice will have an important outcome! Stop thinking that we're invincible because we have some guns. I'm a peasant for :daisy:'s sake, like many of you! We don't stand a chance against Nationalist soldiers, even with a good gun!
Mao, during the Long March, used deception to keep hidden from the Nationalist eyes. He made unlikely moves, and fought the enemy where they were weak (guerilla warfare 101). A fortress is not a weak point. We can get crushed and forced to retreat, plus they will know where we are.
Think! The rope bridge will not break suddenly if we cross it one by one. We're not stupid, we will take all the necessary precautions. We will test it, and we will know after 2-3 crossings if the bridge is strong enough. Who cares if we leave the heavy guns, gee. Let's drop them in the gorge to make sure nobody else gets them!
There's no good arguments to head toward the stone bridge, you guys are just thinking about picking a fight, something we are not strong nor numerous enough for.
Yet another example of why we need a leadership change.
Double A
06-30-2010, 06:17
Speak for yourself. I am invincible :beam:
Drizzt will save us!
landlubber
06-30-2010, 06:29
Agree:Wenti.
DELETE_THIS
06-30-2010, 10:17
Agree: Wenti They will not expect such a strong assault there, maybe we can destroy the bridge afterwards to halt the stinking smell that is breathing down our necks.
Well I agree with Romanic there, Agree: Lanmu Bridge. (the rope bridge, seems like Subo made a mistake in his example)
I don't mind a fight personally, but considering we will be most probably further decreased in number in 3 days and even now are in no fighting shape for what might await us at the Wenti bridge, I'd take my chance with the Lanmu Bridge. Just let everybody carefully cross with all the essential supplies and then some from the bad list try to get the heavier stuff over.
Further we might want to cut the bridge after we have crossed, maybe we can hinder the movement of the ones following us this way. And remember that during the assault on our camp they had tanks and other heavy war machinery, those will surely not be able to cross the Lanmu bridge so that may give us some edge in the future. If they are aware of the terrain our pursuers might even be heading to the stone bridge already, if we are unlucky we might have to face both force there. Who knows?
GeneralHankerchief
06-30-2010, 11:34
Folks, the mountain gun is a gift. A gift to the foes of the Revolution. Why not use this mountain gun? Long have our comrades, the soldiers of Pexdet, kept the forces of Japanese and the KMT at bay. By the blood of our people are our lands kept safe. Give this detachment the weapon of the enemy. Let us use it against them!
...wait, bad example... :tongue:
Err, yes, Joooray is correct, Lanmu Bridge should be chosen instead of Nuqi Bridge :sweatdrop:
Agree: Lanmu Bridge
I don't have to explain how the hammer and anvil tactic that will be used on us should we opt for the stone bridge, would affect a 26 man troop.
KMT bogging us down on the bridge and then the Japanese will hit us in the rear = GAME OVER!!!
Death is yonder
06-30-2010, 12:13
Agree: Lanmu Bridge
Pssh, toss the guns over the side! Cross the rope bridge! If it was good for 1000 years it should be good for another 1000 :clown:
Death is yonder
06-30-2010, 12:15
(Wanted to edit since I thought of something but thought to play safe just in case edited votes aren't counted)
Hmm, IMO it seems like the incidents could possibly be based from Communist Manifesto or other doctrines by Mao. EG: How to treat peasants, and now this. It could be that Romanic is right and we should take the bridge. (Then again I'm not an expert in this history field)
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-30-2010, 12:33
I think I'll take my chances with the rope bridge. Vote: Lanmu Bridge
DELETE_THIS
06-30-2010, 13:16
Agree: Lanmu Bridge
Pssh, toss the guns over the side! Cross the rope bridge! If it was good for 1000 years it should be good for another 1000 :clown:
Yes because we can totally fight with sticks and stones...
You seem a bit too eager to throw away our weapons and go over a rope bridge that could easily be a trap. What if the bridge is cut while we are on it?!
Vote: Death is yonder
unagree, agree Lanmu Bridge to get it right, though I'm still thinking.
Yes because we can totally fight with sticks and stones...
You seem a bit too eager to throw away our weapons and go over a rope bridge that could easily be a trap. What if the bridge is cut while we are on it?!
Vote: Death is yonder
Whereas you want to walk right into a fortified position that we *know* is there?
Also -- it's night time.
Also -- according to the list Romanic gave me yesterday, this is your first vote the entire game. Why so interested now, Nictel?
Vote: Lanmu Bridge, just in case. I'm not in the mood to sacrifice ourselves because our leader thinks "Mountain Gun" = able to take on entrenched defenses - first of all, it's an MMG, it fires medium power rounds that can only break concrete, not truly penetrate it, has poor reliability, feeds from magazines, not a belt. Our enemies will have HMG's, using much larger rounds, from more solide defenses, feed from large belts of ammo with less feed reliability.
He obviously has no head for tactics and has the mind of a KMT officer - throw the peasants at it till it gets fixed. Again, I do not trust our Dear Leader any further then I can throw him.
All that is going to happen is people are going to get killed, and you can all blame our Dear Leader - his incompetence is getting on my nerves, and he should be ousted to prevent ANYMORE foolish decisions. In the very words of our true inspiration -
In guerrilla warfare, select the tactic of seeming to come from the east and attacking from the west; avoid the solid, attack the hollow; attack; withdraw; deliver a lightning blow, seek a lightning decision. When guerrillas engage a stronger enemy, they withdraw when he advances; harass him when he stops; strike him when he is weary; pursue him when he withdraws. In guerilla strategy, the enemy's rear, flanks, and other vulnerable spots are his vital points, and there he must be harassed, attacked, dispersed, exhausted and annihilated. Only in this way can guerrillas carry out their mission of independent guerrilla action and coordination with the effort of the regular armies. But, in spite of the most complete preparation, there can be no victory if mistakes are made in the matter of command. Guerilla warfare based on the principles we have mentioned and carried out over a vast extent of territory in which communications are inconvenient will contribute tremendously towards ultimate defeat of the Japanese and consequent emancipation of the Chinese people. – Mao Zedong, on Guerrilla Warfare
Our very leader is either grossly incompetent or KMT TRASH!
Amusing as that was, YLC, there's a matter of the investigations that were mentioned. Why are you still pushing it?
If anyone who usually talks to me online wants to help me go through Psychonaut's posts and the bandwagon on Niklas, I'd be most appreciative.
Death is yonder
06-30-2010, 13:40
Yes because we can totally fight with sticks and stones...
You seem a bit too eager to throw away our weapons and go over a rope bridge that could easily be a trap. What if the bridge is cut while we are on it?!
Vote: Death is yonder
You seem to be missing the point that this is a mafia game and you are voting me on the basis of suggesting that we throw away our fluff,
(not going to change the game drastically, unless your telling me that somehow you have prior knowledge that the game is going to end in some final battle dependent on our arsenal)
so that what was once nigh impossible
(come on, you want us to cross a rope bridge dragging mortars? OR you want us to charge into a fortress with machine guns and a single artillery piece?)
is now possible (crossing the rope bridge with a greatly reduced chance of bridge collapsing etc)
I don't buy it.
Vote: Nictel
I stand by my opinion that incidents here are likely drawn from Mao's personal doctrines in which case, should likewise be resolved as suggested by the great man himself.
Edit: Hmm rechecked the rules because I'd like to continually avoid double posting, seems like editing a vote post should be fine as long as I don't edit away my vote.
Also Nictel,
What if the bridge is cut while we are on it?!
You suggest here that our glorious revolution will be instantly beheaded in one swift stroke? All the loyal communist swept in one fell swoop? Come on :tongue:
You mean what YLC posted?
Also -- it's nighttime.
Death is yonder
06-30-2010, 13:45
Right...
Unvote: Nictel
I seem to have this nasty habit of overdoing living in the present :shame:
Nevermind, tomorrow's vote then.
Forgive this ignorant, unread peasant. We should follow the teachings of our great leader Chairman Mao.
unagree, agree: Lanmu Bridge
autolycus
06-30-2010, 14:31
I do not think we have the time or the people to storm the Wenti Bridge
Agree: Lanmu
Amusing as that was, YLC, there's a matter of the investigations that were mentioned. Why are you still pushing it?
If anyone who usually talks to me online wants to help me go through Psychonaut's posts and the bandwagon on Niklas, I'd be most appreciative.
Which hold how much wanter? Or have you been blind to the double standard presented so far? Because being found "loyal" holds no water at all. I take anything our Officers and especially GH say or do with a grain of poisonous salt.
DELETE_THIS
06-30-2010, 16:42
Whereas you want to walk right into a fortified position that we *know* is there?
Also -- it's night time.
Also -- according to the list Romanic gave me yesterday, this is your first vote the entire game. Why so interested now, Nictel?
Yes, no unpleasant surprises.
And oops, didn't notice...
And cause summer break started last Monday :P So now I actually got time to be interested :-)
Double A
06-30-2010, 16:53
Ok, if we have some bad lists take the mountain gun over... then if it gets over, hooray, if not, hilarity ensues.
unagree: Wenti
agree: Lanmu, Joooray style
Review of Psychonaut's posts and the Niklas bandwagon here. Executive summary if you don't want to read the whole thing, which is pretty much stream-of-consciousness:
Suspicion on the following for being Kuomintang:
Romanic. The reasons are complex, since I've been working with him in our clique since day one, and I'll have to use a separate post to explain.
Cute Wolf -- At one point Psychonaut helpfully pointed out that Cute Wolf did not belong on the naughty list.
General Suspicion
wideeyedwanderer. See posts 500 and 504 in the Niklas bandwagon, which are both so scummish they make my teeth itch. About five classic scum tells over the course of two posts. I am now hugely suspicious of him, though I can't pin him as KMT or not.
M3YUZ
AVSM. Both of these two showed up to vote on the verge of WOG (explicitly so warned, by Subotan), then disappeared again.
landlubber. See posts 514 and 520. A vote on Niklas with no explanation, then when challenged says his reasons are the same as Psychonaut's. But Psychonaut didn't *give* any reason that were accessible to the general public -- nobody who commented that day other than landlubber gave the slightest indication they had any idea what Psychonaut was talking about. Clearly a false rationale for his vote, could indicate he has special knowledge of one side or the other of Psychonaut's accusation or could indicate he has no interest in the topic at all.
Conditional Suspicion:
ArpeggiateTHIS
Sigurd
Cute Wolf
DiY
Sigurd and DiY questioned "why Niklas" and refused to vote for him; Cute Wolf voted for JHT instead of Niklas when it was still relatively early in the day (originator of that bandwagon) and the bandwagon might have reversed. For ArpTHIS see below. Here's the reason for the conditional suspicion, Psychonaut's only post on the subject, what everyone responding to that accusation was dealing with and all they had to deal with:
Someone doesn't like my work obviously. For the love of all things holy lynch:
ArpeggiateTHIS
Niklas
Then grill a few semi-lurkers, one of them is the hairy guy and the remaining 1-2 Japs.
Infact. 100% lynch Niklas. There's a reason they killed me with a sword. Someone wanted to bring me over to the Jap team, but couldn't. So they thought they'd off me instead.
I had been under the impression that Psychonaut said explicitly that he had been recruited by the Japanese (which had failed). He didn't actually say that. So even given the visible failed recruitment of DiY, it's entirely possible Psychonaut was not lying here, but just stating what he believed to be the truth. Which means he has some reason to believe that ArpeggiateTHIS and especially Niklas might be Japanese. He could be right. So if Niklas flips Japanese, the players in that list need some closer attention. ArpTHIS possibly even if Niklas does not flip Japanese.
Probably NOT Kuomintang
Sigurd (big argument with Psychonaut)
ArpTHIS ("FOS"'ed by Psychonaut twice)
Double A early exchange with Psychonaut about the "failed" protection on taka, supported vote against Niklas in a really open fashion
In the spoiler section, for anyone who doesn't take one look and run away screaming, posts in parentheses are not from Psychonaut but rather in reference to him.
Post 107: election – “I feel that GH is a good choice.”
(157 DiY random-votes Psychonaut)
End of day one, no posts
Post 350 (day of Beefy’s lynch) – The unanimous voting isn’t so bad: “A couple votes this round have tweaked my gut, in a few rounds I can see some potential cases opening up.” Votes Beefy.
(373 Psychonaut FOS from Beskar due to protection group on taka having failed and Psychonaut part of that group along with Beskar himself (who also died), CDF, and Double A. So perhaps Double A’s incorrect orders DID matter? Though it’s not impossible Psychonaut actually was doing what he was told,.)
389 – defends against insinuation he was not doing what he was told: points out double A’s wording, says protection group would have worked with three anyway, speculates taka was killed through protection with random.org taking out Beskar as well. Despite the source, I think this is the most likely interpretation. Votes Sigurd because he “Gut says so, so it must be done.” Pointless vote, but very early in the day; Sigurd probably not KMT.
(390 – double A defends himself; subo wouldn’t be that literal. Doubt Double A is KMT either.)
(397 – Beskar responding to Psycho’s comment about Double A, says it’s a shame Double A didn’t die.)
(399 – Romanic agrees with Psychonaut that it was probably a kill through protection. While this is the most obvious explanation under the circumstances (even with a known KMT in the group), inherent FOS for him mentioning it RIGHT THEN, when Psychonaut was in the spotlight.) Romanic also gets the target wrong, so I doubt he’s the hairy man. And he pushes against the GH administration based on that false assumption. He also speaks about rumors that Beskar is not a vanilla townie, but ….)
(402 – GH denies ever hearing any such rumors. I hadn’t heard any such rumors. Where are the rumors going on? In the KMT quicktopic?)
467 – Psychonaut complains about the shlin lynch, says Sigurd (who “tweaks his gut”) and ArpeggiateTHIS (for voting AVSM) should both be lynched. Sigurd and ArpTHIS both low likelihood of being KMT. Psychonaut also points out Cute Wolf as having voted and so not belonging on the naughty list – just helpful, or helping a teammate? How plausible is his role claim?
473-480 – Lots of back and forth between Psychonaut and Sigurd over which of them is actually suspicious. If they’re both KMT I’ll eat my hat.
480 – Claims he thinks he knows what the hairy killer is, but doesn’t want to speculate.
(484, Psychonaut’s death. The write-up implies he actually was following orders, for whatever that’s worth.)
(489 from Romanic, concluding from the write-up that Psychonaut was a special protective role who died instead of his target – which is pretty much not even close to implied by the words actually written. I think this is fake. Clever, but fake.)
498 He advocates lynching Niklas out of the blue (and ArpThis, but drops the previous accusation against Sigurd), saying Niklas must be a Jap who killed him because he was unable to recruit him. This is interesting – I was under the impression that Psychonaut said flat out that he knew he had been the target of a recruitment attempt. He didn’t, at least not here. (edit: nope, nowhere) He implied that (because how else could he draw that conclusion), but he didn’t say it. In retrospect, even assuming as I do that failed recruitments are always public like DiY’s was, he may not actually have been lying. But why Niklas?
Ok, the Niklas bandwagon:
499 Double A, confident Psycho is not anti-town. Honest vote, I think.
500 from wideyedwanderer: no vote, but says Niklas seems suspicious. Classic scum-tell. If not for Romanic I might be trying to vig him.
503 AVSM’s one and only vote this game, a completely ridiculous one. He and M3YUK both showing up this day just not to get wogged, apparently.
504 wideyedwanderer votes Niklas, again with a scummish disclaimer that he has to get a vote in and might not get another chance
507 Captain Blackadder. The vote is ok and doesn’t ping.
508 Seamus. Ok vote, will defer to officers on his loyalty.
509 ArpTHIS, self-proclaimed bandwagoning. Silly vote, but the post itself doesn’t read as self-conscious in a scummy sort of way.
510 Sigurd questions why Niklas, not exactly surprising.
511 DiY votes cute wolf for placing an easy vote on JHT earlier in the day (missed that one somewhere). Also asks why Psychonaut is so sure the Japanese tried to recruit him, which is what everyone should have been asking. Why did only DiY and Sigurd even question this lynch?
514 landlubber votes Niklas, with no reason given, just a vote
517 flax agrees with DiY on cute wolf
518 so does JHT
519 CDF is willing to go with his protection partner and votes Niklas; like with Double A, this feels transparent enough
520 after being questioned by Blackadder, landlubber clarifies that his reasons for voting Niklas are the same as Psychonaut’s. But Psychonaut didn’t give any open reasons!
521 romanic votes cute wolf with no explanation
522 secura defends cute wolf
524 auto votes JHT
525 sigurd doesn’t like any of the options and votes Nictel
In summary, being on the road that day sucked. SO MUCH INFO there, and I missed it all.
I need lunch.
Romanic. The reasons are complex, since I've been working with him in our clique since day one, and I'll have to use a separate post to explain.
Hah, you're picking the right time for this. I'm moving to a new place tomorrow, so, er I won't have much time to debate this with you today/tomorrow if you make a big and detailed post.
Convenient for me? I told you that I was moving before you throw suspicions at me, and besides, I can prove it somewhat: it's Moving Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_Day_%28Quebec%29) in Quebec. Everybody moves on July 1st here. If you're going to accuse me tomorrow, I'll be very easy to lynch, as it will be the first day in weeks that I might not be able to log on.
unagree; agree Lanmu, to fix the naming error.
I know you're moving; that part isn't really nice about it all.
GeneralHankerchief
06-30-2010, 19:39
Our very leader is either grossly incompetent or KMT TRASH!
Shoo fly. You've done nothing this entire game but complain, and it grows tiresome.
Romanic.
First, the history of Fengxi Clique.
Night One, my choice of protection -- Beefy (Romanic had previously narrowed it down to Chaotix or Beefy from a list of ten or so offered by Flax)
Night Two, Flax's choice -- Nictel (from a choice of Nictel, Niklas or Pinman offered by me)
Night Three, Romanic's -- wideyedwanderer (think he suggested this one himself)
Night Four, supposed to be mine but Flax got in ahead -- Secura
Night Five, I demanded my choice, picking M3YUZ intending to go for a vig/protect scheme to double check on Flax and Romanic doing what they said they were doing, but I couldn't get enough takers, and when GH popped up with a protection request, we did that instead.
Night Six, again working for GH
So couple that with Flax's claim that he was able to take two actions because he was in a clique, and the night two and three choices from the pair of them start to look interesting.
So that's the suggestive part; here's the actual evidence part. First, Romanic has several times evidenced knowledge of what's going on in the game that he should not have had. For instance, he talked about the reactionaries needing to investigate prior to recruiting someone. If this is the case, it's not in the rules, it's not typical of recruiting games, and it hasn't been stated to be so in the write-ups. Second, there was Romanic's statement from I think day two (post number given above in that spoiler bit) that rumors were going around that Beskar was not vanilla town. Yet GH hadn't heard of any such speculation, nor had I, nor did anyone else step forward to say that they had. He must have heard it somewhere, though, because that's the best rationale I can think of for assuming that Beskar and not taka was the intended kill target of the hairy man -- Romanic was already thinking of Beskar as a worthwhile kill. Quicktopic leakage? Wouldn't be the first time.
Finally, the connections with Psychonaut. I hadn't even expected to find any, this morning -- my suspicion of Romanic was up to that point a separate thing from wanting to look through Psychonaut's posts to see who turned up as suspiciously connected to the known KMT. But I did find something.
From my previous post:
(399 – Romanic agrees with Psychonaut that it was probably a kill through protection. While this is the most obvious explanation under the circumstances (even with a known KMT in the group), inherent FOS for him mentioning it RIGHT THEN, when Psychonaut was in the spotlight.) Romanic also gets the target wrong, so I doubt he’s the hairy man. And he pushes against the GH administration based on that false assumption.
(489 from Romanic, concluding from the write-up that Psychonaut was a special protective role who died instead of his target – which is pretty much not even close to implied by the words actually written. I think this is fake. Clever, but fake.)
521 romanic votes cute wolf with no explanation
That's pretty much every time Romanic did anything remotely connected with Psychonaut, and every single one of them is suggestive or feels artificial. The kill through protection thing is perfectly reasonable, but the motivation for a teammate of Psychonaut's to point that out at that time is huge, and the fact remains that of everyone in the game who might have drawn that conclusion, Romanic is the only one who said so. Concluding Psychonaut was a special protective role -- that's just SO far off from what's written in the write-up (it's crystal clear that Psychonaut was protecting as part of a group) -- that you have to wonder what Romanic was doing. If he just skimmed, fine, but then why bring it up as if he had read it carefully? I think he just wanted a counterfactual to point to for later use. Go read the post and see what you think; it feels artificial. And the vote on cute wolf at the tail end of the Niklas bandwagon, with no comment, which is very uncharacteristic of him. But maybe not if a teammate was driving the lynch wagon. (And certainly not if it was a chance to get in a cheap vote on another teammate, cute wolf -- see my previous post for Psychonaut's connection to him.)
And I'm not sure where this fits, but Romanic is very aware of what Psychonaut said about being recruited by the Japanese -- he pointed it out several times, first when I had all but missed it due to being away that week and then a few times thereafter in service of one or another argument. He treated it as established fact. (Yet he never took it as a sign that the KMT might be able to kill just the same as the Japanese could recruit -- why not?)
I'd like to get more into Romanic's posts outside the restricted timeframe of Psychonaut's tenure in the game and the Niklas lynch, but I'm out of time, and to be honest I don't know if there's anything suspicious there anyway. What I do have is enough for me to want him lynched.
Seamus Fermanagh
06-30-2010, 20:50
Agree: Lammu (rope) Bridge
** OOC: Mao may have purloined most of his guerilla dicta from Sun Tzu, but that doesn't mean they were wrong. Do the unexpected is very far up the list.
Ugh, I totally forgot yesterday:
Romanic told me he was NOT suspicious of GH, yet voted for revolt anyway; and he believed Flax was guilty yet didn't seem to want to vote for him (and did not). At one point I think he suggested voting Cute Wolf instead, not seeming to realize that CW had claimed as a power role --- not sure what that adds up to. But the first two things are just so backwards -- what were you trying to accomplish, Romanic?
So that's the suggestive part; here's the actual evidence part. First, Romanic has several times evidenced knowledge of what's going on in the game that he should not have had.
I'm just following the game and making deductions. Not every one of them is good, mind you.
For instance, he talked about the reactionaries needing to investigate prior to recruiting someone. If this is the case, it's not in the rules, it's not typical of recruiting games, and it hasn't been stated to be so in the write-ups.
I never said that the KMT needed to investigate before recruiting, go read again (post 647), I theorized that they were scanning before recruiting, because no failed attempt were shown in the writeup, and that they changed their strategy on N6 when we saw our first failed attempt.
Because of that failed attempt, we know that they don't need to investigate before recruiting. Where did you get that idea?
Second, there was Romanic's statement from I think day two (post number given above in that spoiler bit) that rumors were going around that Beskar was not vanilla town. Yet GH hadn't heard of any such speculation, nor had I, nor did anyone else step forward to say that they had. He must have heard it somewhere, though, because that's the best rationale I can think of for assuming that Beskar and not taka was the intended kill target of the hairy man -- Romanic was already thinking of Beskar as a worthwhile kill. Quicktopic leakage? Wouldn't be the first time.
Explanation: Beskar told Secura. Secura told me. They're both dead, can they still confirm it?
521 romanic votes cute wolf with no explanation My vote for Cute Wolf was just an attempt to get free information, trying to see who would follow behing me and try to save Niklas from being lynched. It would have been a great knowledge to have if it turned out that Niklas was an enemy (which we will know in the next writeup).
I voted without giving an explanation. Big deal. ^ Here's your explanation, but I can't say that when I lay the trap, right?
And even *IF* I didn't have the above explanation. Why is voting for Cute Wolf suspicious? We don't know if Niklas is KMT or Japanese yet. If it turns out that Niklas is a loyal communist, then what point are you making?
(489 from Romanic, concluding from the write-up that Psychonaut was a special protective role who died instead of his target – which is pretty much not even close to implied by the words actually written. I think this is fake. Clever, but fake.)Yeah. Right deduction. Happens to me sometimes, like everyone else. Why is that a connection with Psychonaut?
(399 – Romanic agrees with Psychonaut that it was probably a kill through protection. While this is the most obvious explanation under the circumstances (even with a known KMT in the group), inherent FOS for him mentioning it RIGHT THEN, when Psychonaut was in the spotlight.) Romanic also gets the target wrong, so I doubt he’s the hairy man. And he pushes against the GH administration based on that false assumption.
Another wrong connection, and go read again, Psychonaut was not in the spotlight, or at least I don't know what you mean by that, cause he was not accused of anything at the time I made that post
And yes, I got the wrong target, why does that make me suspicious? Am I not allowed to make mistakes? Hah, you're making some yourself, and I don't see you as a suspect for it.
And I'm not sure where this fits, but Romanic is very aware of what Psychonaut said about being recruited by the Japanese -- he pointed it out several times, first when I
Yes, I am following this game, and when someone talk about a failed conversion attempt, I take note of it! Is that a reason to shoot me?
You know that I am following this game, that shouldn't look odd to you. Just one hour ago, you asked me who ATPG replaced and I answered "Thermal" very quickly because I have all this info in Excel/Word documents. Being dedicated doesn't make me KMT.
****
I'll have an answer for any reasonable accusation you throw at me, because I am an innocent communist farmer. So hear this humble suggestion from me: Now that you're an officer, get me scanned or anything else to confirm my loyalty, because trying to get me lynched at this stage is not a good idea, unless you think we need to get rid of active players.
Ugh, I totally forgot yesterday:
Romanic told me he was NOT suspicious of GH, yet voted for revolt anyway; and he believed Flax was guilty yet didn't seem to want to vote for him (and did not). At one point I think he suggested voting Cute Wolf instead, not seeming to realize that CW had claimed as a power role --- not sure what that adds up to. But the first two things are just so backwards -- what were you trying to accomplish, Romanic?
Yeah, I told you about that in chat, did you forget?? :embarassed: Same reasoning that my vote for him on Day 5. I wanted to spring a 2nd bandwagon to see who else would follow, and get free info if Flax turned out MKT/Japanese.
I decided against it because the wagon for Flax was too far ahead for the remaining time. I didn't vote for Flax, big deal. The tally was like 8-3 favoring Flax, what difference does it make if I vote Flax or not at that point? Flax's partners would have voted for him at this point, to gain some cover, so I think my non-action is good.
And again, we don't know for sure if TheFlax was KMT/Japanese. That's hardly a point againt me until we know for sure.
I never said that the KMT needed to investigate before recruiting, go read again (post 647), I theorized that they were scanning before recruiting, because no failed attempt were shown in the writeup, and that they changed their strategy on N6 when we saw our first failed attempt.
Because of that failed attempt, we know that they don't need to investigate before recruiting. Where did you get that idea?
The thing I'm thinking of was before DiY, otherwise it would not have stood out. I'll see if I can find it.
Explanation: Beskar told Secura. Secura told me. They're both dead, can they still confirm it?
That counts as "rumors"? But OK.
My vote for Cute Wolf was just an attempt to get free information, trying to see who would follow behing me and try to save Niklas from being lynched. It would have been a great knowledge to have if it turned out that Niklas was an enemy (which we will know in the next writeup).
I voted without giving an explanation. Big deal. ^ Here's your explanation, but I can't say that when I lay the trap, right?
Did you actually find Cute Wolf suspicious? If not, what did you think of the votes that were laid on him? Unexplained votes are not characteristic of you, and that was the main point.
And even *IF* I didn't have the above explanation. Why is voting for Cute Wolf suspicious? We don't know if Niklas is KMT or Japanese yet. If it turns out that Niklas is a loyal communist, then what point are you making?
That a) it wasn't characteristic of you; b) it came at a time when a known KMT was pushing a bandwagon. I find this to be evidence of a potential connection to Psychonaut, because what do you do when you're Kuomintang, and your dead compatriot is pushing a bandwagon that is either entirely fraudulent or based on KMT-acquired information (because it sure wsan't based on anything public)? You're going to find it hard to add to the bandwagon itself without sounding awkward, so what was left? Vote for Cute Wolf, the only other halfway reasonable option for that day? But you do it without your usual commentary. As mentioned above: what did you think of the bandwagon on Cute Wolf at the time?
It all goes to motivation, Romanic.
Yeah. Right deduction. Happens to me sometimes, like everyone else. Why is that a connection with Psychonaut?
Another wrong connection, and go read again, Psychonaut was not in the spotlight, or at least I don't know what you mean by that, cause he was not accused of anything at the time I made that post
I think you mean wrong deduction the first time. It reads as fake because it is so far from what's actually written that you could only have come to that conclusion legitimately if you barely read the write-up at all; yet if you did, why make that comment? Motivation again -- your reactionary compatriot has just been murdered -- deflect, deflect, no I don't know anything about him, no sir! And you make a post that conveniently gets it completely wrong.
As for Psychonaut not being in the spotlight, he most certainly was. Beskar had FOSed everyone in the protection group with him, which was only Double A, CDF and Psychonaut. That could have gone anywhere, but there you were to head it off at the pass.
And yes, I got the wrong target, why does that make me suspicious? Am I not allowed to make mistakes? Hah, you're making some yourself, and I don't see you as a suspect for it.
The one you're referring to here doesn't; there's nothing anywhere else to make it look likely you deliberately mixed up taka and Beskar or have anything to cover for as regards the hairy man (at least not in the pages I reviewed). That's not the case with Psychonaut.
Yes, I am following this game, and when someone talk about a failed conversion attempt, I take note of it! Is that a reason to shoot me?
You know that I am following this game, that shouldn't look odd to you. Just one hour ago, you asked me who ATPG replaced and I answered "Thermal" very quickly because I have all this info in Excel/Word documents. Being dedicated doesn't make me KMT.
No, it doesn't. But that wasn't exactly the point I was trying to make there either, is it?
I'll have an answer for any reasonable accusation you throw at me, because I am an innocent communist farmer. So hear this humble suggestion from me: Now that you're an officer, get me scanned or anything else to confirm my loyalty, because trying to get me lynched at this stage is not a good idea, unless you think we need to get rid of active players.
At least the active ones fight back. Lynching lurkers sucks rocks.
As there is not only a large amount of discussion going on (Both about the Bridge And certain players), but I am also quite tired, and I've finished College for ever (Yay :beam:), so I will post the update tomorrow morning. The "New" Deadline is 09:00 GMT+1
Yeah, I told you about that in chat, did you forget?? :embarassed: Same reasoning that my vote for him on Day 5. I wanted to spring a 2nd bandwagon to see who else would follow, and get free info if Flax turned out MKT/Japanese.
No, I didn't forget. I'm going off the overall impression you left on me, which is admittedly influenced by my pre-existing suspicion. It felt like you did not want to place a vote (you never did vote for cute wolf, either). I don't know why. I don't have the same feel for which side Flax might be on that I do with you. But what had you so paralyzed that you didn't vote for the guy you said you thought was disloyal nor the guy you thought you could use as bait?
I decided against it because the wagon for Flax was too far ahead for the remaining time. I didn't vote for Flax, big deal. The tally was like 8-3 favoring Flax, what difference does it make if I vote Flax or not at that point? Flax's partners would have voted for him at this point, to gain some cover, so I think my non-action is good.
To clarify, you told me you were about to vote Cute Wolf (for bait) when you thought you would be tying the vote at 6-6, then changed your mind when you re-counted. But that's exactly my point -- Flax's teammates would have voted for him, sure, but so would any townie who believed strongly, as you said you did, that Flax was not town. Why so hesitant?
And again, we don't know for sure if TheFlax was KMT/Japanese. That's hardly a point againt me until we know for sure.
No, it's independent of Flax's situation -- it's the contradiction between your stated beliefs and your actions that is at issue here. And I didn't actually have an explanation for it (other than feeling there was something wrong), but you yourself just provided one possible explanation that fits if you are KMT, regardless of what Flax is. -- don't look like a late-arriving partner of Flax.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-30-2010, 22:20
Conditional Suspicion:
ArpeggiateTHIS
I had been under the impression that Psychonaut said explicitly that he had been recruited by the Japanese (which had failed). He didn't actually say that. So even given the visible failed recruitment of DiY, it's entirely possible Psychonaut was not lying here, but just stating what he believed to be the truth. Which means he has some reason to believe that ArpeggiateTHIS and especially Niklas might be Japanese. He could be right. So if Niklas flips Japanese, the players in that list need some closer attention. ArpTHIS possibly even if Niklas does not flip Japanese.
I need lunch.
Let me address this simply: this comrade is a true communist, and he doesn't appreciate such accusations. I have continually spent my night efforts protecting at the orders of fellow comrades to the extent that I am now in the People's Hammer clique. What else do you ask of me, to ensure that I am pure?
In a perhaps unrelated topic: I do not trust GH, or any of our leaders at that. Neither should you. I do not dispute that perhaps they have done a good job (however tailored that job is, hah), but blind deference is not how the proletariat should operate. After all, blind deference puts us in the very position of exploitation that we have sought to avoid, brothers.
I rest my case. My fate lies in your hands.
a completely inoffensive name
06-30-2010, 22:58
As there is not only a large amount of discussion going on (Both about the Bridge And certain players), but I am also quite tired, and I've finished College for ever (Yay :beam:), so I will post the update tomorrow morning. The "New" Deadline is 09:00 GMT+1
You finished college?
Askthepizzaguy
06-30-2010, 23:04
Wait. Are you suggesting your being in a clique clears you of suspicion? There's conversion in this game, first of all, shattering such a notion. Secondly, if the traitors can do pro-commie tasks and then run off and do traitorous tasks, there's zero guarantee that just because you did protections over and over that you weren't also out being a Jap/KMT traitor.
If being in a clique cleared you of suspicion I think you'd be recruited or dead by now.
And stop changing your avatar! :tongue2:
Let me address this simply: this comrade is a true communist, and he doesn't appreciate such accusations. I have continually spent my night efforts protecting at the orders of fellow comrades to the extent that I am now in the People's Hammer clique. What else do you ask of me, to ensure that I am pure?
In a perhaps unrelated topic: I do not trust GH, or any of our leaders at that. Neither should you. I do not dispute that perhaps they have done a good job (however tailored that job is, hah), but blind deference is not how the proletariat should operate. After all, blind deference puts us in the very position of exploitation that we have sought to avoid, brothers.
I rest my case. My fate lies in your hands.
Yeah, I was in a clique, look how that turned out.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-30-2010, 23:10
Wait. Are you suggesting your being in a clique clears you of suspicion? There's conversion in this game, first of all, shattering such a notion. Secondly, if the traitors can do pro-commie tasks and then run off and do traitorous tasks, there's zero guarantee that just because you did protections over and over that you weren't also out being a Jap/KMT traitor.
If being in a clique cleared you of suspicion I think you'd be recruited or dead by now.
And stop changing your avatar! :tongue2:
Heh, I knew somebody would pick up on that. I think this one's good enough for now anyway, at least until I find a nice samurai man.
Hmm, I guess even though being in a clique doesn't show innocence, at least it shows willing? Other than that, I don't think I have a leg to stand on. Then again, neither do any of you.
Congratulations Subotan!
Thank you :D
You finished college?
Yep, your version of High School is officially over for me.
I now just have to wait until my (and aThis', and M3YUZ's) A Level results are out on the 19th of August :|
And stop changing your avatar! :tongue2:
That's my fault; I told him his previous one looked fat.
Congrats on your graduation Subotan! :grin:
As Zhuge Liang said: "Do the unexpected. Attack the unprepared."
Clearly the imperialist fascist pig-dogs have the Stone Bridge, which is of much more importance and value, garrisoned and guarded. We are few and they are many, therefore we cannot take the unnecessary risk of pressing against a well entrenched foe, even if it is anti-revolutionary and bourgoise. We must cross the rope bridge, for they shall not expect us to go through there. It is the sound choice.
Vote: Lanmu Bridge
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-30-2010, 23:43
I bet we all die crossing the rope bridge.
Suggestion: ArpeggiateTHIS and the food supplies cross first.
Askthepizzaguy
06-30-2010, 23:43
what if someone cuts the bridge while half our army is on it?
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-30-2010, 23:46
what if someone cuts the bridge while half our army is on it?
What if the heavy guns of the pig-dogs cut down our ranks as we cross the other? We're looking at major risks either way.
Nobody cuts a bridge like that. If someone begins to cut the rope, he is quickly grabbed by whoever's next to him, someone grabs a gun and shoots him in the forehead. But don't toss him to the river. He might go downstream hang with his puppet Imperialist pig-dogs, and innadvertly warn for our presence.
Askthepizzaguy
06-30-2010, 23:50
What if the heavy guns of the pig-dogs cut down our ranks as we cross the other? We're looking at major risks either way.
Nobody cuts a bridge like that. If someone begins to cut the rope, he is quickly grabbed by whoever's next to him, someone grabs a gun and shoots him in the forehead. But don't toss him to the river. He might go downstream hang with his puppet Imperialist pig-dogs, and innadvertly warn for our presence.
I think we found our Japs, boys. :yes:
ArpeggiateTHIS
07-01-2010, 00:03
I think we found our Japs, boys. :yes:
I think we found our hairy man, obviously.
Askthepizzaguy
07-01-2010, 00:10
I think we found our hairy man, obviously.
Ey! I'm not hairy, I'm pleasingly furred.
And no I'm not the hairy man either. I replaced a certain inactive Thermal Mercury, remember?
johnhughthom
07-01-2010, 00:13
And no I'm not the hairy man either. I replaced a certain inactive Thermal Mercury, remember?
Never make assumptions based on replacements...
Askthepizzaguy
07-01-2010, 00:32
Never make assumptions based on replacements...
Hahahahaa I'm a game host I know when he doesn't respond to my private messages.
There's a reason Thermal isn't in my Lylat Wars game, he was dead as a doornail.
Let me address this simply: this comrade is a true communist, and he doesn't appreciate such accusations. I have continually spent my night efforts protecting at the orders of fellow comrades to the extent that I am now in the People's Hammer clique. What else do you ask of me, to ensure that I am pure?
In a perhaps unrelated topic: I do not trust GH, or any of our leaders at that. Neither should you. I do not dispute that perhaps they have done a good job (however tailored that job is, hah), but blind deference is not how the proletariat should operate. After all, blind deference puts us in the very position of exploitation that we have sought to avoid, brothers.
I rest my case. My fate lies in your hands.
You didn't read a word I said, did you? Did you vote Flax yesterday?
Heh, I knew somebody would pick up on that. I think this one's good enough for now anyway, at least until I find a nice samurai man.
Hmm, I guess even though being in a clique doesn't show innocence, at least it shows willing? Other than that, I don't think I have a leg to stand on. Then again, neither do any of you.
That's the problem with you, ArpTHIS. You go and act all scummy and then when you're called on it you act so perfectly unfrazzled by it all that everbody instinctively goes "oh. hmm. well yes, carry on now".
So carry on now.
what if someone cuts the bridge while half our army is on it?
We could just cross one at a time.
Askthepizzaguy
07-01-2010, 02:13
We could just cross one at a time.
Yes in theory. Do we have a choice in the matter? I'm not sure we have input on that. Though I don't know the rules by heart (or even by reading).
There's still a danger there which is someone still rigs the bridge to explode after half of us cross, dividing our forces!
(Not really.... somehow I doubt Subo would do that to us.)
come to think of it that could happen with the stone bridge too. Nevermind.... I don't know what I'm talking about.
Captain Blackadder
07-01-2010, 03:25
I say we must act quickly thus the rope bridge is better our enemies have far more heavy weapons then us and they will be the ones disadvatanged by us choosing this path comrade
Agree Rope Bridge
If the rope bridge survives our crossing we should cut it down, that way the IJA will have to detour through a KMT fortified position to continue following us.
ArpeggiateTHIS
07-01-2010, 08:36
That's the problem with you, ArpTHIS. You go and act all scummy and then when you're called on it you act so perfectly unfrazzled by it all that everbody instinctively goes "oh. hmm. well yes, carry on now".
So carry on now.
How am I acting scummy? Just....how?
EDIT: Wait, yeah perhaps this hasn't been the cleanest game I've played.
And yes, I do believe that I voted theFlax. However, me being silly and everything made me unvote him to try and revolt.
Deadline reached. Commencing write-up.
Death is yonder
07-01-2010, 10:11
Well Renata, your looking at it (your suspicion on me based on me and Sigurd protesting the Niklas lynch) based on purely my vote. I stated that round that I didn't like the fact that Psycho who just died, was saying that he was 100% certain that those few people needed to die.
This would fall into the category of alluding to pm results or whatever (should Psycho have been a pro town or somebody who knows that Niklas + Arp [Him if I remember properly] was guilty.
I doubt Subotan would have allowed him to simply ignore the rules like that and basically imply that he was certain that said individuals were guilty (this certainty would definitely have been attributed to out of thread knowledge even if he was right)
I quote Subo/GH/Seamus:
Dead players may not reveal, recount or allude to their previous night actions (or results thereof in the case of investigations) publicly or privately – even to confirm a previously made public or private reveal. Your participation must be circumspect, but your continued participation IS encouraged.
Therefore, I attributed the whole lynch to dead man's instincts (note, instincts) and mentioned how I thought it was not necessarily a good lynch. [Its the same as a shot in the dark, in this case, you don't even know if you can trust the fellow even though he's dead]
OTOH: I suppose you'll find out whether your condition is fulfilled (Niklas = Guilty) and then I'll leave it up to you to deduce whether that makes me guilty, Sigurd guilty, or both of us guilty :-)
GeneralHankerchief
07-01-2010, 11:28
If the rope bridge survives our crossing we should cut it down, that way the IJA will have to detour through a KMT fortified position to continue following us.
VERY good idea comrade. This is what I like to see! :yes:
ArpeggiateTHIS
07-01-2010, 11:38
If the rope bridge survives our crossing we should cut it down, that way the IJA will have to detour through a KMT fortified position to continue following us.
Agree: miotas
The discussion about which path the Communists should follow continued long into the night. Although at first it seemed obvious that the Maoists should take the sturdy stone bridge, wily persuasiveness from Romanic managed to convince the Socialists that it was smarter to strike from behind, and a further suggestion from miotas to cut the rope bridge after they had crossed it changed the mind of even the Chairman.
After voting had concluded, GeneralHankerchief stood up and announced the plan of action
"We don't know what lies on the other side of that bridge. For all we know there could be a nest of imperialist vipers, lying in a trap for us. Thus, I have decided to choose an Assault Squad to charge the bridge and seize the opposite side of the gorge for us, allowing us to safely bring the others and the heavier equipment over. The Assault Squad shall consist of nine people"
Pulling a crumpled piece of paper out of his Mao shirt pocket, he read aloud:
"autolycus (wielding the flamethrower)
wideeyedwanderer
AVSM
M3YUZ
Nictel
Splitpersonality
ATPG
Nictel
landlubber
Romanic
"
Romanic and autolycus both went particularly pale, since they had voted for the bridge which they were about to storm.
"But never fear, lucky Comrades. I have entrusted Director autolycus to lead you to glory, a particularly hot, napalm-flavoured glory, as he will be armed armed with the flamethrower! And you should all spend the rest of the night alive anyway, since we *ahem* YOU won't be crossing it until tomorrow morning. Just remember a phrase I heard when those German advisers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_cooperation_%281911%E2%80%931941%29#Sino-German_cooperation_in_the_1920s) came over here: Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude."
Since most of the Chinese peasants could barely read Chinese, let alone speak German, this went completely over their heads.
***
CDF had always had a terrible fear of heights. Even walking through the mountains had been pretty bad, and he was most certainly not looking forward to the crossing of the Nuqi Gorge tomorrow. Sensibly for someone in his position, he had set up his tent, far, far away from the cliff edge, in a location that was practically in the thick woodland that surrounded the clearing around the road and bridge. CDF felt safe as he picthed his tent, unrolled his bedding and lay down to sleep. He was worried about the fact that nearly all the previous members of his group had either died or been exposed as Imperialists, and also because of the attempt on his life made a few days ago, but he was sure that no Jap or Nat would try again to kill him, thanks to the guards stationed outside his tent.
And he was absolutely right.
"SeeeDeeeEfffff..."
Cdf, always a light sleeper, woke up. Someone had called his abbreviated name, someone deep in the woods.
"CulturedDrizztFan..."
"Someone must be lost in the forest" though CDF "As a good Communist, I should go over and help them."
Cdf threw of his blanket, put on his boots and coat, and most importantly, his pistol. He crawled outside his tent to find arpeggiateTHIS reading some book about the American Revolution.
"Hey, aThis, I think there's someone trapped in the forest. Come look for him with me."
aThis rolled his eyes "Aww, but I'm about to find out what Cognitive Madisonianism is!"
"Forget that!" cried CDF "There's someone who needs our help!
aThis reluctantly put his book down, and together with CDF, they both wandered into the forest. The undergrowth soon became thick and knotted, and movement became slower and harder. Finally, they both staggered out into a small clearing.
"Welcome CDF, and arpeggiateThis to my grove" said a deep but loud voice. Directly in front of the pair, the bushes shifted and rustled, and out stepped a big, Hairy Man. CDF and aThis both looked as if they had been bleached
"Oh Christ, you're meant to be dead" stammered aThis, as the CDF fumbled for his pistol, and aimed it at the calm Hairy Man. Aiming straight for the centre of the messy beard, he pulled the trigger; only for the Hairy Man to brreak out into a belly-aching laugh.
"Ho ho ho! Do you really think I'd be foolish enough to let something as simple as your gun prevent you from hearing one of my lectures? For you see, my lectures reveal the truth about society, a microscope on the open wounds of Socialism and Capitalism. I pull back the curtain, I shine the spotlight, and open the mind to the realities of life under the State. For the State is a parasite on the Nation, a vampire who sucks the lifeblood out of the people through tax and war. The State hungers for the People to be fed to it, to be processed into little instruments of authoritarianism, to help it enslave the free and those who desire true liberty. But too often, rebellions against the State only result in the establishment of a new State, of old tyranny under a new mask. Only by casting off the shackles of desire for Order can we return to life in the Commune, on the local level, so that true, direct democracy can be implemented and ensure that we are our Masters." rambled the Hairy Man. CDF and aThis just looked on, stunned by the constant noise that enveloped them.
And then the Hairy Man suddenly stopped:
"But you must be wondering; Where do I fit into this? Well, you are one of the said instruments, a tool of the tinpot dictators. Only by your example can the people of China realise their destiny and overthrow their masters, foreign or national, Capitalist or Socialist, despotic all!" bellowed the Hairy Man, raising his hands up towards the sky. Flicking his wrist, he revealed that he had a bomb in his right hand, and he whirled it towards the gawking Communists. Hissing, the explosive distracted the Maoists from the Hairy Man, who, still laughing, slipped back into the forest to watch with glee behind the safety of a tree the massive explosion which blew the pair to pieces and scattered their remains all over the forest.
***
"You there! Get up you lumbering oaf!"
The Communist immediately woke up, and stumbled out of his tent, dazed and groggy. He attempted to stand to attention, but only succeeded in knocking his tent over
"That is a DISGRACE! How dare you act so rudely and unprofessional towards me! You are a soldier of the National Revolutionary Army, not a warlord's bandit!"
The Communist blearily replied "Yes sir, of course sir, I'm so sorry sir..."
The loudmouth continued to scream in the Communist's face"You better be, you stinking dog! And what is this trash?", referring to a copy of the Communist Manifesto lying in the dirt.
"This propaganda will NOT be tolerated in my presence!" hissed the loud man, before stamping on the little book with unnecessary force. "I expect to see you tomorrow for an attack on the Communist scum tomorrow night!"
"Uh, yes, of course, Colonel, sir." replied the dazed Communist, who still had no idea what he had gotten himself into.
***
"Well comrades, the Hairy Man still walks amongst us." declared a glum GeneralHankerchief to the crowd. "All we can hope is that if there are Japs on the other side of this bridge, that he is one of those mown down."
The Assault Team did not take this comment with as much humour as GeneralHankerchief intended. However, their mood was otherwise jolly. The weather was dry and crisp, as it had been for several weeks. The grass surrounding the bridge was parched and brown. The wooden bridge was sturdy and most certainly not damp. Under these conditions, even if the wood was rotten, the chances of it breaking were happily low.
As the Assault Team prepared their equipment, the Chairman made another announcement.
"It appears that Niklas was a loyal Communist, with absolutely no chance of defecting to either Reactionary gang. So yeah... "
The Assault Squad was ready, and there was a mass intake of breath before they started creeping across the bridge. The rope bridge did not sway as much as would be expected, and the Communists were reassured by the solidity of both the planks and the thick rope. autolycus, armed with his weapon, headed the small battalion as they calmly walked across the bridge. autolycus was the most nervous of the grouping, as he was the most likely to be killed first if there were enemies on the North Side, and he scoured his destination looking for signs of movement. They passed halfway, when, suddenly, a movement caught autolycus' eye. Aiming at the point of movement, he fired his weapon, unleashing a storm of death at the opposite bank, and the large, fat, pigeon which had emerged from the bank was now falling to a crispy doom. For autolycus was wielding the flamethrower, and his reckless actions had unleashed a firestorm which had turned the dry, wooden, non-rotten and thoroughly harmless bridge into a flaming deathtrap. wideyedwanderer, who was behind autolycus, screamed in his ear
"You idiot! You've killed us all!"
The Assault Squad was too far from the South Bank, where the remaining Communists were howling and facepalming in despair, to retreat back across it, thus leaving one way out; a charge across the burning bridge to the North Bank. autolycus snapped out his stunned inaction, and rallied his comrades:
"Forwards, Socialists! Only by charging through the fire and the flames can we prove how Red we truly are!" called the Officer to his men, before sprinting forwards. The others did not need telling twice, and they were running behind him as quickly as they could. autolycus neared the other side, and with a terrific leap, he soared through the air and managed to land on the safe, hard Chinese ground. One by one, the others followed on after him, before only Romanic was left on the bridge, running for his very survival through the roaring fire. The ropes holding the bridge started to unwind and shrivel, and the planks became charred and brittle. Suddenly, the left rope snapped, swinging the bridge down to the right, with Romanic still on it. He yelled, and made a desperate attempt to jump to the other side. The extra pressure his legs put on the charcoal plank he stood on caused it to snap in two, and in turn weaken his jump. The extra force caused by Romanic's leap proved too much for the bridge, and the Lanmu Bridge finally disintegrated, falling down into the the Nuqi River below. But Romanic was still soaring through the air towards safety, but he had jumped too soon, or not far enough. Instead of managing to land on the top, he slammed into the sheer cliff wall, his feet lucky enough to find some footing on a slim ledge. Romanic, dazed, leaned back due to the rebound, stretched out his arms and toppled backwards, to certain doom.
But an iron grip clamped down on Romanic's burning wrist, and Romanic looked up to find Nictel grasping his arm and attempting to haul him to safety. Nictel heaved, and slowly, but surely, managed to pull Romanic up and over the edge, onto the North Side of the Nuqi River. The Communists on both sides of the river cheered and danced, including the Chairman, before he called out to the Communists on the opposing side:
"autolycus! Move downstream to the Wenti Bridge! We shall meet you there and launch a two-pronged attack on the Kuomintang Fortress there! Such an assault can only be victorious!"
autolycus replied in a similarly loud voice: "Of course Chairman, we shall meet you down there in three days!"
The Communists, shocked and pleased on both sides of the river, set off along the path of the gorge. The road for the Northern Bank Communists took them away from the river edge and deeper into the Chinese interior, although it was certain that they would eventually meet up.
All those in the aforementioned Assault Squad are now NOT allowed to post in this thread; a separate one shall be made for you. Absolutely no communication is allowed between the two groups for three day and three night phases; you're separated by several miles now, not several metres. If you have special actions, then you shall requirements may be amended.
Due to a shortage of food, as you did not take all the food from the peasants, the immunity the Officers enjoy has been weakened, although it still exists, and the Chairman is as strong as ever.
The Clique of the People's Hammer no longer exists!
It is now the day phase. It will end in approximately 24 hours at 15:00 GMT+1 tomorrow. Sorry for it being late, but I got really distracted this morning.
Lanmu - Renata Romanic YLC Joooray Sigurd DiY aThis YLC miotas autolycus AA Seamus Jolt Blackadder
Wenti - Khaan GH CDF ATPG WEW Landlubber Nictel
North Side Alive: 9/9
autolycus
wideeyed
AVSM
M3YUZ
Nictel
Split
ATPG
landlubber
Romanic
South Side Alive: 14/40
ACIN
Captain Blackadder
Cute Wolf
Death is yonder
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
Joooray
miotas
Renata
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd
Yaseikhaan
YLC
Lynched players 6/40
Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
TheFlax
Killed Players 9/40
Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
CDF
aThis
Devoured by Rats - 2
Thermal Mercury
Wishazu
Captain Blackadder
07-01-2010, 15:01
Interesting very interesting indeed. What does our glorious chairman suggest we do?
Death is yonder
07-01-2010, 15:25
I don't think this is such a loss.
The way the write up goes suggest that there indeed was a fortress on the Wenti bridge :yes:
But you will still have to cross it, at some point :skull:
It's pretty obvious who the hairy man is I must say. I'll drop some hints if you like.
Yes in theory. Do we have a choice in the matter? I'm not sure we have input on that. Though I don't know the rules by heart (or even by reading).
There's still a danger there which is someone still rigs the bridge to explode after half of us cross, dividing our forces!
(Not really.... somehow I doubt Subo would do that to us.)
come to think of it that could happen with the stone bridge too. Nevermind.... I don't know what I'm talking about.
In retrospect, I SO wish Pizzaguy were still here on our side. This is the second post in which he mentioned us being divided. It looks like I need to start over on suspects, regardless.
Subotan, I assume we're also not allowed to read the north bank thread? I mean, I assume so, but it's right there ... *chews fingernails*
It would be better if you didn't :P
That's a lot of trust you put in the players there. But I guess if we can't trust in sportsmanship, what sense would there be in playing anyway. :yes:
Such bourgeois notions of trust and honor you have, Joooray. :inquisitive:
:laugh4:
You are right, Renata, must be my upbringing getting the best of me there for a second. Please exchange sportsmanship honor with "Decree of the Sports Committee of the Communist Party in regard of pro-revolutionary behavior in joyous exercises" in my earlier post. :bow:
The Party is always right!!
Cultured Drizzt fan
07-01-2010, 18:24
NEVER trust the rope bridge. :tongue: :laugh4:
also: :skull: WHY!?!?!?
Because you're still being pursued by the Japanese, so you all still have to cross the river. And the only way you can do that is via Wenti Bridge.
GeneralHankerchief
07-01-2010, 19:46
Okay, Hairy Man nonwithstanding, I designed the Assault Squad (aside from autolycus, since at least one officer had to go over) to consist of either people I didn't know much about at night, the inactives, or the people with suspicion on them (Romanic).
I have no idea what that one part of the write-up means, where somebody crushes the Communist Manifesto. Failed assault because of a roleblock?
In any case, YLC, please get in contact with me privately or publicly about what you were doing last night, and hopefully somebody here will back up your claim. I realize this doesn't stand a chance of happening, but you're the only one in this group I haven't had prior knowledge of night activities until now.
It looks like another recruitment, GH -- stomp on the Communist manifesto, tell the person involved he'll be helping attack the Communists in future.
GeneralHankerchief
07-01-2010, 20:12
In that case, it's odd that there's no mention of what faction the recruitment was. Usually Subo has explicitly mentioned that it was the KMT that picked somebody up, though there *is* the mention of a Colonel.
Either way, I'd really like to know what YLC was doing last night.
I have mentioned who recruited that player.
Yeah, I know, that stands out as missing.
About the Hairy Man -- it's possible there are clues to his identity in and around the JHT situation. That player would be aware the accusation against JHT was false; it might show somewhere. Anyone besides me (and Psychonaut, who probably won't follow through) feel like looking? I'm tired and probably won't have the energy for any thread-excavation until tomorrow.
As for other ideas -- if YLC is the only one here who's never done anything visible at night, he's as good to pressure as anyone. The only immediate lead I have based on public information is miotas, and that's only because of the clique thing -- I have no idea if his posts are suspicious. I could ask him this:
miotas, who did you three protect before you were a clique? High-profile, likely-to-be-killed players, or low-profile ones? Whose suggestions were the protections? And can anyone still on this side of the bridge vouch for your responses?
I have mentioned who recruited that player.
You did?
OTOH: I suppose you'll find out whether your condition is fulfilled (Niklas = Guilty) and then I'll leave it up to you to deduce whether that makes me guilty, Sigurd guilty, or both of us guilty :-)
You're both off the hook (at least for that). It was a question of motivation, and it was based on false premises. I do have both of you pencilled in as probably not KMT, but that leaves other options open. Actually in Sigurd's case I should add probably not KMT at the time of his argument with Psychonaut; who knows what's happened since then.
ArpeggiateTHIS
07-01-2010, 21:55
Before anybody says anything, Subo has advocated this:
Now town, I hope that whilst trawling through my latest actions you will see what lead to my demise at the hands of the Hairy Man. A word of warning: do not show blind deference to your Dear Leaders, for you may be making assumptions that will inevitably lead to the end of the proletariat revolution. After all, who may have wanted this revolting proletariat silenced?
a completely inoffensive name
07-01-2010, 23:59
So if i read this right, auto "accidentally" sabotaged the bridge?
seireikhaan
07-02-2010, 00:15
To start up the pressure- Vote: YLC. We need a response, otherwise we're waiting here and listening to the crickets chirp.
Seamus Fermanagh
07-02-2010, 01:29
To start up the pressure- Vote: YLC. We need a response, otherwise we're waiting here and listening to the crickets chirp.
I'll second that.
Vote: YLC
Easily subject to change.
I found it interesting that YLC attacked me heavily when I said that you should concentrate more on the Japs as they are currently the biggest threat.
The only immediate lead I have based on public information is miotas, and that's only because of the clique thing -- I have no idea if his posts are suspicious. I could ask him this:
miotas, who did you three protect before you were a clique? High-profile, likely-to-be-killed players, or low-profile ones? Whose suggestions were the protections? And can anyone still on this side of the bridge vouch for your responses?
Romanic night 4 and CDF each night since. On the suggestion of the Chairman.
It may be wise to avoid throwing votes around simply to provide pressure, at this point we should probably try to conserve our numbers for the assault in 3 days, so we should only lynch someone if we are absolutely certain they are KMT or IJA.
Double A
07-02-2010, 03:37
Well, this is certainly interesting.
Maybe if we went straight for the other bridge, some of us would have died, but with another group flanking the enemy, we will prevail with only minor wounds. Or if someone is seriously hurt, they'll be another story decision in a town to see if we raid their medical supplies, possibly ending up in their deaths, but the survival of our comrades.
This game is freakin awesome.
Interesting to say the least. Now, was there an active decision in this division? Divide and conquer? Is there a race involved, last man to be killed at the walls of Wenti fortress?
Death is yonder
07-02-2010, 07:57
miotas, who did you three protect before you were a clique? High-profile, likely-to-be-killed players, or low-profile ones? Whose suggestions were the protections? And can anyone still on this side of the bridge vouch for your responses?
We took our orders from the Chairman, with a success or two.
a completely inoffensive name
07-02-2010, 09:00
Vote: ATPG Why? Because RING-RING-RING-RING-RING-RING BANANAPHONE! ACIN gets loopy when he doesn't get his 7 meals a day!
How do you plan on lynching ATPG when he's on the other side of the gorge?
Double A
07-02-2010, 09:16
Maybe ACIN has a sniper rifle that can shoot through trees.
This game is freakin awesome.
Thank you :bow:
Maybe ACIN has a sniper rifle that can shoot through trees.
Unfortunately, no, and he doesn't have a BANANAPHONE either.
Cute Wolf
07-02-2010, 10:37
I want to Vote : Renata, because all that she do is basically covering up her tracks...
and what? did we have two hairy men bombers? I tought that was Jhonhughthom, and he was allready dead...
I want to Vote : Renata, because all that he do is basically covering up his tracks...
Hahaha, she's going to grill you for this; be prepared to explain your accusation in a lot greater detail. :P
Cute Wolf
07-02-2010, 11:17
oh yeah, she.... sorry
GeneralHankerchief
07-02-2010, 11:22
Most of my main suspects are on the north bank, unfortunately. The third lynch is going to be very difficult.
...her instead of his, Cute Wolf
OT Question; do they not have gender specific possessives in Indonesian/Chinese?
Cute Wolf
07-02-2010, 12:24
...her instead of his, Cute Wolf
OT Question; do they not have gender specific possessives in Indonesian/Chinese?
yeah, I understood english very well, but always failed on that gender difference possesives, as Indonesians and Chinese (both langueges that I was know naturally) didn't posess such things, I know that the word she was present in written chinese, but very rarely used (and my family never used that)
so Renata was a girl... oh...
(Cute Wolf ~ spent too much time on modding forums, now start to think that this ORG have some girls afterall, aside of Frogbeastegg and Sub Rosa)
Most of my main suspects are on the north bank, unfortunately. The third lynch is going to be very difficult.
Soooo... you had nothing to do with us being divided?
I found it interesting that YLC attacked me heavily when I said that you should concentrate more on the Japs as they are currently the biggest threat.
He also ignored the whole day's events yesterday in order to pursue his argument against GH.
Romanic night 4 and CDF each night since. On the suggestion of the Chairman.
Thanks.
It may be wise to avoid throwing votes around simply to provide pressure, at this point we should probably try to conserve our numbers for the assault in 3 days, so we should only lynch someone if we are absolutely certain they are KMT or IJA.
This I think I disagree with. If we never put votes on anyone, how do we get anyone to make mistakes? It's still a mafia game, isn't it?
Interesting to say the least. Now, was there an active decision in this division? Divide and conquer? Is there a race involved, last man to be killed at the walls of Wenti fortress?
GH already said he chose the split, so yes.
I want to Vote : Renata, because all that she do is basically covering up her tracks...
A vote! Good, I need some entertainment. Please expand on that comment.
and what? did we have two hairy men bombers? I tought that was Jhonhughthom, and he was allready dead...
Obviously it wasn't Johnhughthom. The interesting thing is, someone already knew that back when the accusations were flying. Did they betray themselves? My project for today, or one of them.
Hahaha, she's going to grill you for this; be prepared to explain your accusation in a lot greater detail. :P
Somebody knows me well. :)
Obviously it wasn't Johnhughthom. The interesting thing is, someone already knew that back when the accusations were flying. Did they betray themselves? My project for today, or one of them.
I commented after JHT's death that it seemed obvious from the write up that JHT wasn't the hairy man, if that's what you mean.
I don't mean anything yet; I'm not even planning to look until after I've had something to eat. :inquisitive:
Commencing write-up. I would have come on earlier, but I could not gain access to my computer
I want Jolt investigated or pressured tomorrow on suspicion of being the Hairy Man.
Evidence:
-- his participation has been largely roleplaying only. This is not always atypical of him (I'm thinking of the start of RotS), but it also serves as convenient cover for non-Communists, if it's needed. Never need to commit to anything, never need to make anyone mad at you. You're no threat to anyone.
-- Jolt knew about the PM that Sigurd sent to taka (hence there's no doubt he knew that taka might be a power role), but he did not admit that the first time it was brought up. He only admitted to it *after* Sigurd had pointed out he knew that both Jolt and ArpTHIS had read the PM.
-- when he did admit it, Jolt was sure to point out he'd sent his orders, even though in the same breath he acknowledges that they were late. Why even bring it up, then?
I have a couple other possible leads for this group from that partial re-read, but this is the strongest.
GeneralHankerchief
07-02-2010, 20:35
Soooo... you had nothing to do with us being divided?
I had to pick the assault squad that went over, but that was it. Since I wasn't sure exactly what was going to happen to them, I naturally tried to pick the people I knew least about.
Seamus Fermanagh
07-02-2010, 20:43
Not happy with this lynch. I never read much defense or anything. Wish I could have abstained.
Oh well.....
Subo: Very interesting split thingee -- a first for me in these games. Kudos sir.
The day ended with the much smaller Detachment choosing YLC for the chop. They had spent the whole of the days marching along the gorge, and settled down for the night once more relatively near the edge.
“Well, YLC” said GeneralHankerchief “It appears that since I was hoping that all the people who I suspect to be Counter-Revolutionaries to have plummeted to a horrible doom, rather than live, we have to lynch somebody else today. For lack of a better suspect, you’ll do. Do you have anything to say for yourself?”
YLC, like Niklas before him, said nothing. Instead, he slowly extended his arms until they were perpendicular to his long, lanky frame. He stepped around to face the gorge, filled his lungs with a sharp breath, and stepped, one, two, before diving off the cliff edge, and disappearing from sight without a sound. The other Maoists stared into the empty space where YLC had just been, utterly bewildered. Even the Chairman was stunned by YLC’s rash action, before feeling a need to fill the void of silence, he stated the obvious.
“That was odd.”
“But convenient!” said ACIN, who piped down when a visibly disappointed Yaseikhaan glared at him.
“Regardless, it’s done now.” Said the impassive GeneralHankerchief with a lazy shrug “But good news, everyone! It has come to my attention that Johnhughthom was not the Secret Agent he claimed to be, BUT, a Rogue Trotskyite bent on revisionism, destroying our progress an our struggle towards a greater society! Crazy huh?”
I have been incredibly busy today, and after deadline announcement, I had once again to leave my computer, hence the shamefully late & short update.. Tomorrow, I will once again be stretched for time, with only a 2 and a half hour slot available for me tomorrow between playing Tuba in my band and getting wasted at a friend's 18th. Unless anyone has any terrible objections, the deadline for this night phase will be 12:00 GMT+1 on SUNDAY, to account for a lie-in which I shall sorely need the day after tomorrow.
GeneralHankerchief
07-02-2010, 21:50
No objections here, I need to do a bit of re-organization work anyway. :yes:
GeneralHankerchief
07-03-2010, 07:08
All right, thanks to the Hairy Man's latest exploits I'm going to be reorganizing groups for the night. Stand by for PMs.
a completely inoffensive name
07-03-2010, 08:39
It was convenient, idk why I deserved that glare.
Double A
07-03-2010, 08:39
Wait, Harry Man is on our side of the gorge? Crap.
GeneralHankerchief
07-03-2010, 08:45
Wait, Harry Man is on our side of the gorge? Crap.
My comment was in relation to the Hairy Man's annoying habit of wrecking my current setup of groups, which he's done twice now. I have no idea which side of the gorge he's on.
My comment was in relation to the Hairy Man's annoying habit of wrecking my current setup of groups, which he's done twice now. I have no idea which side of the gorge he's on.
I'm still waiting for the hints Psycho has promised. :rolleyes:
It was a bright, shining morning, and GeneralHankerchief had been enjoying a long, peaceful sleep. He woke to the dawn filtering in through the tears in his tent’s fabric, and he wasted no time in getting up and prepare to assemble the rest of PEXDET. He shouted out to the other tents that it was time to wake up, and eventually, they one by one, crawled out of their tents and staggered towards the meeting point. The survivors told the others of the shocking events of last night
“I had a really nice sleep last night, how about you?”
“Oh yeah, it was great, no explosions, no guns going off, no screaming. Best night I’ve had in ages”
“Me too. I even had a dream last night!”
“Really? Wow, what about?”
“I don’t remember much, apart from that there were loads of explosions, shoot-outs and, er, screams. ”
It so happened that not one single member of PEXDET had been killed that night; on the South Bank anyway. GeneralHankerchief was absolutely stunned
“So, we all survived? Wow, that’s amazing…if slightly boring…”
The Comrades glared at their elected leader
“Er, I mean, What good news for us. Either all the Imperialists are dead, or they’re all trapped on the North Bank. All thanks to my leadership, I might add” said the Chairman, with a puffed out chest.
The Communists rolled their eyes, a few openly scoffed.
“But regardless, it has come to my attention that Pinman, although originally a loyal Comrade of the revolution, was a slimy traitor to the Communist cause! He had been swayed to the side of the Nationalists through lures of golden treasure and shiny temptations, and evidently such things mattered more to him than his Comrades. We are all better off that he is dead.”
The Socialists cheered and wooped, and they continued their march along the Nuqi in high spirits and full of Revolutionary zeal.
North Side Alive: ?
South Side Alive: 13/40
ACIN
Captain Blackadder
Cute Wolf
Death is yonder
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
Joooray
miotas
Renata
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd
Yaseikhaan
Lynched players 7/40
Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
TheFlax
YLC
Killed Players 9/40
Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
CDF
aThis
Devoured by Rats - 2
Thermal Mercury
Wishazu
Once again, apologies for the terrible delay, and for the cliché introductory phrase. This phase shall end in approximately 23 hours at 22:00 GMT+1
a completely inoffensive name
07-04-2010, 22:55
AND YOU ALL DOUBTED US!
GeneralHankerchief
07-04-2010, 23:05
Hey ACIN, feel like giving me Pinman's info now? :beam:
a completely inoffensive name
07-04-2010, 23:53
Ok! :D
Ooooh, does this mean my role is revealed in the next phase?
People might be doubting you then, ACIN.
GeneralHankerchief
07-05-2010, 01:16
Relax, ACIN's clear.
Anyway, it's time to do a little postmortem psychoanalysis. This is Pinman's infamous "reveal" PM, dated a few days back now:
I beg you to exercise discretion in the sharing of this information. Obviously, as will become clear, if the mafia (at least the KMT) acquire this information, it will make life easier for them.
My Role: Loyalty Investigator
I can, thanks to my long history as a fighting man, understand the motivations of my fellow men. I can see if they are committed to anything or not. Of course, there are significant limitations to such an ability. If somebody is committed to something, that could be something other than communism. If they aren't committed to anything, they are almost certainly Communist, but as we saw on night 2 (?), the KMT can convert them.
Night 1: Wasn't paying attention, missed orders
Night 2: Beefy of course - Loyal
Night 3: JHT - b/c of the revenge thing. Heres where it gets interesting. JHT is loyal, but I noticed a "strange look in his eyes". You know what I think this means from the thread.
Night 4: Sigurd - Loyal.
Night 5: Secura. Subotan hasn't gotten back to me. I sent him a PM about it, and ill give you the results when I wake up tommorow.
Thats all I have. Again I caution you to only give this information to people you can trust - even if it means my lynching!
Pinman
The only living person on this list still alive is Sigurd. Now, I'm going to ask the same question of Pinman and Sigurd that Sigurd asked of me way back in Godfather 2: Would Pinman be so bold as to put his flunky on the confirmed innocent list, knowing his death (and eventual reveal) was imminent? Keep in mind that there was a recruitment on Day 4 I believe.
-edit- It was Night 5. So there's a minor possibility that Sigurd was our KMT recruit, assuming Pinman wasn't lying about his investigations prior to Secura.
Cute Wolf
07-05-2010, 02:30
so there will be no vote today :cheers:
Seamus Fermanagh
07-05-2010, 03:43
Sigurd, you got som 'splainin' to do......
GeneralHankerchief
07-05-2010, 07:21
Comrades, I will most likely be offline for the next 36 hours. Therefore:
All groups are to protect the same targets as last night (minus the lynched person, if there is any of course). The investigation squad is to look at Sigurd if he is not lynched. If Sigurd *is* lynched then it is to follow ACIN's discretion.
Wait... I am getting heat because a traitor named me in his fake investigations?
Feel free to investigate me... I am confident that I will be redeemed of any suspicion.
I'm mildly amused right now - but i'll save you the trouble of thinking this through.
The results are almost entirely fake guys. 1-3 are obviously fake, Sigurd is somebody the KMT wants dead because hes working for Japan, and I gave you the real Secura result because you caught me in the act.
-EDIT- In case you were wondering why Psychonaut was killed. We were trying to build him some credibility by having him accuse Sigurd. Unfortunately, the Japs killed him, and we, for reasons I'm not about to explain, can't retaliate.
Mildly amusing...
So you claim the KMT is not able to kill me? Because I am Japanese? Please... and you put me on your loyal list.. because you knew I would get heat once you died and was found to be KMT three days later?
I am confident that the current leadership, in their faults, will do the right thing.
BTW... why haven't the KMT killed anyone?
I put you on my loyal list because I ran out of ideas :).
As for why the KMT haven't killed anybody, as I said before, I'm not going to reveal that. I do want the KMT to win after all.
Oh and BTW... Why did you lash out at Niklas, a loyal communist, when you could have done the exact same stunt with me?
I'll answer that for you ... because you know I am a loyal communist also.
Why all this now? This tells me one thing.
We have KMT among us and one of them would have been our next candidate. Who was next to be pressured?
a completely inoffensive name
07-05-2010, 11:54
UNLIMITED POWER!!! nah, jk. Seriously though Sigurd, give me your side of the story and how you think the heat should be brought upon. I'll hear your side of the story before I make a decision.
Wait... I am getting heat because a traitor named me in his fake investigations?
At least you're getting heat and able to defend yourself... I was killed outright without being investigated properly or anything.
Heh, here I came thinking I had been WoG'd or something since I was on vacation and apparently the game has only moved 1 Day? And today there is no vote?
UNLIMITED POWER!!! nah, jk. Seriously though Sigurd, give me your side of the story and how you think the heat should be brought upon. I'll hear your side of the story before I make a decision.
My side of the story?
Come on man... I have only what I can read in the thread to base my accusations on. But YOU and your fellow officers have investigation results, orders from all groups loyal to the chairman. Results from Yaseikhaan (secret stuff apparently).
You even have doubled the investigations now that you have a deputy. You got to have something...
My only lead is the KMT trying to get me lynched based on false accusations. Why now and why me? Clearly to take some pressure off whoever was next in line and bying this someone an extra night.
The only thing I can find is:
I want Jolt investigated or pressured tomorrow on suspicion of being the Hairy Man.
What if Jolt is not the Hairy Man, but the KMT colonel?
Renata asked for pressure, but as soon as the day dawned, A KMT traitor brands me as Japanese which brilliantly deflected Renata's comment and puts the spotlight squarely on me.
Who are you Pinman? It seems you have played Mafia before.
What if Jolt is not the Hairy Man, but the KMT colonel?
I'm still waiting to hear any investigation results.
As said in the rules, abstains/no lynches are not allowed, so this phase will extend for 24 hours until someone is lynched. If STILL no-one is lynched by that point, then I'm dipping into my (un)lucky hat to pick a lynch.
a completely inoffensive name
07-06-2010, 00:10
I'm still waiting to hear any investigation results.
Those are secret.
a completely inoffensive name
07-06-2010, 00:12
My side of the story?
Come on man... I have only what I can read in the thread to base my accusations on. But YOU and your fellow officers have investigation results, orders from all groups loyal to the chairman. Results from Yaseikhaan (secret stuff apparently).
You even have doubled the investigations now that you have a deputy. You got to have something...
My only lead is the KMT trying to get me lynched based on false accusations. Why now and why me? Clearly to take some pressure off whoever was next in line and bying this someone an extra night.
The only thing I can find is:
What if Jolt is not the Hairy Man, but the KMT colonel?
Renata asked for pressure, but as soon as the day dawned, A KMT traitor brands me as Japanese which brilliantly deflected Renata's comment and puts the spotlight squarely on me.
Who are you Pinman? It seems you have played Mafia before.
I just want to hear your input. This isn't imperialistic Japan where the emperor makes his decisions and damn the rest. We are proud Communists, we all have a say in this.
a completely inoffensive name
07-06-2010, 00:16
Besides I am not choosing who gets lynched, that is up to all of us. If you guys have no want to lynch sigurd, then go ahead. Personally, I think we have little to perhaps no enemies on our side of the river. So I am tempted to not even vote or to throw away my vote on myself since no lynch or abstain isn't allowed.
Those are secret.
I mean on myself. I don't mind publicizing the results.
Does anyone have any leads on anyone who may possibly be an enemy?
GeneralHankerchief
07-06-2010, 08:11
I'm back, briefly. Need to get a good 8 hours in though.
Unfortunately, I don't really have any suspects on this side of the river. Ideally we'd have a no lynch this phase to learn more about Sigurd overnight, but as that's apparently out of the cards and we need to lynch somebody I don't know about so we can avoid Subotan's Random Implementation O' Doom and possibly kill a huge asset. Sorry buddy. :shrug:
(And if any of you doubt that Subotan does not have some sort of special commune with that evil tool, I suggest you look at the death list on Pirate Ship Mafia.)
I leave you with the choice of either Sigurd or Joooray, who YLC was visiting the night before he was lynched. I fully realize that these are both horrible cases and we have nothing more to go on, but there is the greater good and all. Whoever gets left alive will be investigated at night.
Maybe we could tie up the vote between those two and have a random lynch. I forget exactly how tiebreakers work and need sleep though.
I leave you with the choice of either Sigurd or Joooray, who YLC was visiting the night before he was lynched. I fully realize that these are both horrible cases and we have nothing more to go on, but there is the greater good and all. Whoever gets left alive will be investigated at night.
Well... I for one do not agree. You say YLC visited me and Joooray? This apparently shows that he had some role. And since nothing happened to me that night, I am assuming he had a investigative role like JHT. But we are still a lynch short and I am not comfortable putting my head on the block after the Pinman revelation.
I am going to go with my initial gut here and vote based on what I believe is a attempted frame to shield a real suspect.
Since Renata named Jolt, I am going to vote: Jolt
She is part of the officer's trusted circle and asked for pressure on Jolt because she belives he is the hairy man. I say the KMT wanted to keep this pressure off and fabricated a diversion.
seireikhaan
07-06-2010, 09:02
I will agree with Sigurd, for the time being. Vote: Jolt. I'm not personally all that thrilled with a Joooray or Sigurd lynch.
Eventually you will have to take out Sigurd. We can't kill him for you :)
Renata also meant making investigations on me. I am still waiting for somebody to come up with those results.
Vote: Jolt
Captain Blackadder
07-06-2010, 15:12
I agree Sigurd needs to be looked at closer in order to determine what should be done with him.
Vote Jolt
The case on him is far better then the cases on either Jooray or Sigurd.
I agree Sigurd needs to be looked at closer in order to determine what should be done with him.
Vote Jolt
The case on him is far better then the cases on either Jooray or Sigurd.
What is my case?
Does anyone have any leads on anyone who may possibly be an enemy?
Besides you? You're the only person left on this side of the river who's made me raise my eyebrows. Which is not saying too much (see below), but there you go. Why do you expect other people to tell you who's suspicious?
vote: miotas
Jolt was investigated last night, and Yaseikhaan's vote notwithstanding, the votes on him need to go, because I can't imagine ACIN letting the first "half" of this day go by without saying anything if the result were anything bad.
As for everyone else:
Sigurd -- Doubt he's KMT, even a recruit. Doubt it very, very much; Pinman's a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them, and to act the way he has toward a fellow reactionary would be stupid. Sigurd could be Japanese, along similar lines as I thought Niklas might be, but he could also be completely loyal, as Niklas was. I need to review what he's been doing when he hasn't been fending off accusations.
Joooray -- YLC visiting Joooray looks good for YLC being non-town under the circumstances, but says nothing about Joooray unless I misremember the recruitment timing. On his own merits, I have absolutely no feel for Joooray.
Others:
Captain Blackadder -- seems to have dropped off the face of the planet.
Death is Yonder -- KMT failed to recruit him. Otherwise I have no idea. Bit of a blank spot for me, I think, since he has been around.
Double A -- I think he's a townie.
Jolt was investigated last night, and Yaseikhaan's vote notwithstanding, the votes on him need to go, because I can't imagine ACIN letting the first "half" of this day go by without saying anything if the result were anything bad.
Ah, there we go.
FOS: Sigurd, Yaseikhaan, Capt. Blackadder
Unvote; Vote: Miotas
To be honest I'm not that good at picking patterns and tells in posts. I'm still not sure who to vote for :confused:
Captain Blackadder
07-06-2010, 15:54
What is my case?
To be honest not much. I am not happy with any of the choices on offer for today. The people I believe to be KMT or Japanese are on the other side of the river. However as Our glorious leader said we loyal communists must choose someone to die for today and I belive that Sigurd is a poor choice indeed of all the choices given to us I believe Jolt to be the best. Also to Renata why do you believe Comrade Miotas is possibly a traitor?
Ah, there we go.
FOS: Sigurd, Yaseikhaan, Capt. Blackadder
Unvote; Vote: Miotas
Why do you FOS me? I was not privvy to those investigation results ... Yaseikhaan? Yes. I hope the officers are talking to eachother.
Soo... the investigation results was interpretable? not clear? Innocent?
You gotta help us out here.
unvote
Death is yonder
07-06-2010, 16:38
By lack of any significant updates on Cute wolf, who GH said "will be checked out" (AKA warning klaxons),
Also trusting that the officers and Chairman have been checked out by independent investigation and cleared,
Following further recommendations that Joooray and Sigurd are not the best choices for the day,
Also keeping in mind that Jolt has been supposedly investigated as a loyal communist
That leaves my possible reactionaries list with:
Captain Blackadder
Double A
miotas
First, from bottom up.
miotas, I've been working with him for quite a while. Has it been thus far clarified whether reactionary actions can occur in conjunction with communist actions? If not, this presents some interesting information. On night 6 (I believe), CDf was attacked by a Japanese officer, an attack repulsed by a group consisting of miotas, me and ArpeggiateTHIS.
From the kill pattern and consistency of protection, I believe that miotas is possibly cleared of being a Jap, though not of being a KMT recruit/colonel/whatever
Yet, oddly enough, when the Hairy man killed CDf AND ArpeggiateTHIS, he managed to kill both our protection target AND one of the clique members despite no information revealed in public as to who the clique was protecting.
Still, none of this information is really concrete, the current case on miotas is largely based on his posting.
Double A:
Jokey jokey non contributory posts in general. Not sure if I missed something, but a few rounds ago the case on Flax was that he was caught visiting two tents in the same night. One of these tents was Double A. Was the purpose of this visit clarified? Or is it an unsolved mystery which motive we will examine come the post-mortem reveal.
I'll refer to the round which was roughly on the 29th, and this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128827-A-Bridge-Zhou-Far-Three-Stars-Rising-IN-PLAY&p=2515496&viewfull=1#post2515496) post
Blackadder:
Generally quiet, his usual posting style it seems, doesn't seem much out of the ordinary. If he's an imperialist or a KMT fool, he's doing a pretty good job of masking that in his posting.
In light of all this, I will:
Vote: Double A
Although if it is clarified that imperialist/whatever actions can occur in conjunction with communist ones, then miotas needs to be looked at.
Now if you'll 'scuse me, I won't be online for the next 21-22 hours (incredibly long 12 hour school day tomorrow)
CB every time I've done a post review so far (the one I did on Psychonaut, the one on the JHT situation), at least one post by miotas has stood out as suspect in some way. There has not been any obvious motivation to the suspect posts, and I've been searching based on motivation, but still. His name keeps turning up.
Where have you been the last few days? I can't even remember the last time I noticed anything by you, yet I mention your name in passing and here you are. If you've been around and I just haven't registered it, point it out.
Why do you FOS me? I was not privvy to those investigation results ... Yaseikhaan? Yes. I hope the officers are talking to eachother.
Soo... the investigation results was interpretable? not clear? Innocent?
You gotta help us out here.
The FOS on you and CB might be unwarranted (can't speak to what's up with Yaseikhaan), but honestly the result can be nothing other than "innocent" or Jolt would have attracted some comment today from ACIN or GH. Why do you think anything else is a reasonable possibility?
Well, obviously I don't agree with the suggested lynch of myself. I dunno what YLC did in my tent, all I can say is that I've been loyal to the revolution so far and still am. Frankly I'm a bit freaked out that there are people entering my tent when I'm asleep, freakin' sickos.
I also don't feel the lynch against Sigurd, so since I have to choose I'll go with Renata's case on this one and Vote: miotas.
By lack of any significant updates on Cute wolf, who GH said "will be checked out" (AKA warning klaxons),
Also trusting that the officers and Chairman have been checked out by independent investigation and cleared,
Following further recommendations that Joooray and Sigurd are not the best choices for the day,
Also keeping in mind that Jolt has been supposedly investigated as a loyal communist
That leaves my possible reactionaries list with:
Captain Blackadder
Double A
miotas
First, from bottom up.
miotas, I've been working with him for quite a while. Has it been thus far clarified whether reactionary actions can occur in conjunction with communist actions? If not, this presents some interesting information. On night 6 (I believe), CDf was attacked by a Japanese officer, an attack repulsed by a group consisting of miotas, me and ArpeggiateTHIS.
According to Flax, whose allegiance has not yet been revealed, his being in a clique gave him access to two actions per night. miotas was not yet in a clique at that point, IIRC, so even assuming that Flax is KMT/Japanese and that it's true about the cliques, miotas could not have both attacked and protected that night. I'm not sure it's the right question, though, regardless. We don't know whether the Japanese officer we've seen can attack someone who a teammate is protecting; and we don't know whether they'd try such a thing either.
From the kill pattern and consistency of protection, I believe that miotas is possibly cleared of being a Jap, though not of being a KMT recruit/colonel/whatever
Yet, oddly enough, when the Hairy man killed CDf AND ArpeggiateTHIS, he managed to kill both our protection target AND one of the clique members despite no information revealed in public as to who the clique was protecting.
I'm not sure it matters. it was obvious enough that CDF was trusted; that's enough in itself to make him a target. It just piles assumption on top of assumption to try to figure out whether you or miotas might have decided it was worth breaking up the clique to make it look like you weren't the Hairy Man; it suffices to know that it is possible either of you could have attacked CDF.
Still, none of this information is really concrete, the current case on miotas is largely based on his posting.
Double A:
Jokey jokey non contributory posts in general. Not sure if I missed something, but a few rounds ago the case on Flax was that he was caught visiting two tents in the same night. One of these tents was Double A. Was the purpose of this visit clarified? Or is it an unsolved mystery which motive we will examine come the post-mortem reveal.
Yes; Romanic, Flax and I protected Double A. The other "visitee" was me. As I've said before, I think Double A is a townie, though it's admittedly a very subjective opinion. (Based on a few posts surrounding the attack on taka, which didn't read as him having anything to cover for.)
I'd like to hear your further opinions on Joooray and Sigurd when you get back, considering the only person who has "recommended" they not be voted for today is me -- GH said exactly the opposite -- and that that's not what I said, in any case. I dismiss the current cases on them, but there's nothing saying they're loyal communists that I'm aware of. Well, Pinman aside. They absolutely should be considered.
To be honest not much. I am not happy with any of the choices on offer for today. The people I believe to be KMT or Japanese are on the other side of the river. However as Our glorious leader said we loyal communists must choose someone to die for today and I belive that Sigurd is a poor choice indeed of all the choices given to us I believe Jolt to be the best. Also to Renata why do you believe Comrade Miotas is possibly a traitor?
Hm. Interesting. Again: What is my case?
Okay, even though people are voting him anyway, I'm looking at miotas' posts. So far what I see is a pattern of someone who has a very difficult time making real accusations.
Day One, Beefy reveals role, Azathoth gets lynched. Contradiction in my notes here that I don't care to go back and clarify: he voted YLC in a sort of role-playing vote (against the chairman) and may have unvoted at some point (shows up as having no vote at end of day)
Day Two, Beefy gets mega-lynched. Comment-free vote for Beefy mid-bandwagon.
Day Three, shlin bits it in a close vote: miotas first casts suspicion on wide-eyed wanderer for a silly reason -- it says "wide-eyed" in the write-up -- then votes him a few posts later. YLC calls him on it and so does Double A slightly. Tentative YLC and miotas not on same mafia team.
Day Four, niklas gets bandwagoned on Psychonaut's word -- no vote
Day Five, Pinman bandwagoned, "reveals" -- no vote
I'm too tired to continue this with the votes on him already, but you can see the pattern -- and today he wants other people to tell him who's suspicious. It's not participation in general that he's having difficulty with -- he posts every day -- it's not contribution per se either -- he elected GH; he voted in the incident vote that came during that period and even went on to make his own, different proposal; he made a post suggesting JHT might be the hairy killer (but without voting him for it, on the day that Niklas was lynched). It's actually voting for suspicious people that he has trouble with. The two times he suggests halfway real suspicion against someone (WEW and JHT), his vote is either delayed or does not come at all. His other votes are either role-playing (YLC), comment-free (Beefy round two), or non-existent. It's classic vote-paralysis.
Deadline reached, commencing write-up.
PEXDET was approaching the Wenti Bridge, albeit slowly. Bizzarely, the day had been twice as long as normal, and although some of the Communists tried to attribute this to not lynching a player before the set time, the Chairman dismissed this as fanciful nonsense. Although at first it appeared certain that Jolt would be lynched, with he himself voting for his own lynch, but the validity of the lynch was questioned. No-one could actually explain why Jolt was to be lynched, so, for lack of a better candidate, they turned on miotas. miotas expressed puzzlement at the decision to lynch him, sealed by Joooray, but he did not protest much.
"Do you have anything to say for yourself, or will you act like the others?" shouted the Chairman in miotas' face.
"No, I have nothing to say. Just kill me and be down with it" muttered miotas gloomily
GeneralHankerchief shrugged, and signalled for Yaseikhaan to pick miotas up by the scruff of his neck, and he duly did so. With a short toss of his wrist, he dropped miotas over the edge, into the foaming water a hundred feet below.
"Good, I like it when there's no weird behaviour." the Chairman said cheerily "The weird ones always freak me out... . But speaking about previous members of our detachment, I would like to inform you all that Secura was in fact a loyal Communist. OK sure, she was susceptible to the Imperial Japanese Army, buuuut, she never defected to their side whilst alive. So yeah... "
North Side Alive: ?
South Side Alive: 12/40
ACIN
Captain Blackadder
Cute Wolf
Death is yonder
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
Joooray
Renata
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd
Yaseikhaan
Lynched players 7/40
Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
TheFlax
YLC
miotas
Killed Players 9/40
Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
CDF
aThis
Devoured by Rats - 2
Thermal Mercury
Wishazu
Deadline is in 22 hours, at 22:00 GMT +1.
GeneralHankerchief
07-07-2010, 00:17
Gah, sorry miotas. But at least we didn't lynch Jolt, he's completely clean.
Aw, that sucks. At least it was me rather than someone important. On the bright side, now I can read the north side ~D
Sorry I sealed your fate, but I guess its better this way than to take a chance with a random lynch. :shrug:
I would like to inform you all that Secura was in fact a loyal Communist. OK sure, she was susceptible to the Imperial Japanese Army, buuuut, she never defected to their side whilst alive.
And there we have it... the big reveal that I was, in fact, a bog-standard Comrade; isn't it great when the town start doing the mafia's jobs for them?
You mean like you encouraging a revolt along with known-mafia Pinman, suspect Romanic and suspect YLC? :p We all get things wrong, so be it.
I'm sorry you got killed, Sec, but errors occur. I find it actually pretty astonishing we are not seeing the same level of vigilante-violence that Capo, Pirate Ship and Shadow Fort had.
Eventually you will have to take out Sigurd. We can't kill him for you :)
I missed this...
Now why can't the KMT kill me? Am I invincible?
Have you even tried killing anyone? As far as I can see, there is no KMT mentioned in any of the killings. Why?
You are able to recruit... sure. But a mafia that can't kill is useless.
What would a reason be that you are 'tied' up like that?
Critical members tied up in other roles? Do you have KMT among the officers and lack the sufficient numbers to perform a kill? Is that it?
I am dying to know...
I find it actually pretty astonishing we are not seeing the same level of vigilante-violence that Capo, Pirate Ship and Shadow Fort had.
I'm not sure about the other games, but Pirate Ship had both monetary incentives and four horsemen on the loose.
I missed this...
Now why can't the KMT kill me? Am I invincible?
Have you even tried killing anyone? As far as I can see, there is no KMT mentioned in any of the killings. Why?
You are able to recruit... sure. But a mafia that can't kill is useless.
What would a reason be that you are 'tied' up like that?
Critical members tied up in other roles? Do you have KMT among the officers and lack the sufficient numbers to perform a kill? Is that it?
I am dying to know...
I was wondering that myself, but now I'm leaning toward Romanic being accurate (or telling the truth, take your pick) and the KMT being in fact recruit-only. Pinman was pushing for a revolt -- would he really do that if he'd be risking his teammates' positions by doing so? Well actually never mind, maybe he would, if it was in fact cramping their style.
To what extent are the officers checked out now, GH? Any left uncertain?
Im dying to know who else is on the Jap team. I only know one more of your members.
I guess we will both have to wait.
I'm not sure about the other games, but Pirate Ship had both monetary incentives and four horsemen on the loose.
Shadow Fort had incentives, too, despite few people actually succeeding in gaining them.
Death is yonder
07-07-2010, 17:04
I'd like to hear your further opinions on Joooray and Sigurd when you get back, considering the only person who has "recommended" they not be voted for today is me -- GH said exactly the opposite --
I will agree with Sigurd, for the time being. Vote: Jolt. I'm not personally all that thrilled with a Joooray or Sigurd lynch.
Apologies on the error, it was khaan who did not agree with the lynch. Still one of GH's "trusted officers" though.
Joooray:
In general sounds similar to his performance in Star Fox Lylat Wars (comparison because I don't know his style in great detail) where he was a friendly/neutral (but still relatively light sided) character.
Yet, he's coming off as (perhaps?) needlessly apologetic in posts like:
this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128827-A-Bridge-Zhou-Far-Three-Stars-Rising-IN-PLAY&p=2519365&highlight=#post2519365) and this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128827-A-Bridge-Zhou-Far-Three-Stars-Rising-IN-PLAY&p=2519198&highlight=#post2519198). Both of which very recent.
Still, the posts I'm referring to other than that slight issue seem fine. Joooray is currently a "maybe/unlikely" for me. As you've mentioned, there's nothing substantial that warrants a lynch on his part, yet nothing that actively disproves his possible involvement in Imperialist plots.
Sigurd:
Seems rather engaged in this game at a quick glance at his latest posting history, roughly 30 of his last 40 posts are related to this game.
His recent relevant posts are hinging somewhat on the odd side though, its like: "So, you're accusing me of this and that/Why would this possibly incriminate me?"
Reference:
Post #909-911
Post #913 + 917
Post #951
The ones I would highlight for oddity especially, are Posts 913 and 917, overtly presumptuous and statements which conclusions are "Therefore I am a loyal communist", "Clearly I am the scapegoat", etc.
Edit: Currently Sigurd is "Maybe/Likely" for me, but I guess that someone will oblige his request stated earlier to be investigated and cleared within this night phase.
~~~~~~
Another long day ahead for me, if you would like to inquire further just leave a query in thread.
I won't comment on the investigations, but there's nothing that can't wait until morning.
Ok... let's look at this from another angle.
Pinman, a dead player AND confirmed KMT, suddenly drops in and accuses someone of being Japanese. If it is true, he is clearly breaking several rules.
The dead may post, but not vote/select nor carry out any night actions. Dead players may not reveal their roles publicly or privately and may not reveal their faction or role particulars either. Dead players may not quote from a PM unless that PM has been posted in the public thread by a living player. Dead players may not reveal, recount or allude to their previous night actions (or results thereof in the case of investigations) publicly or privately – even to confirm a previously made public or private reveal. Your participation must be circumspect, but your continued participation IS encouraged.
If I really were a Japanese, I would have gone to our host and asked to be removed and put a random player in my place.
Since Subotan has not asked the posts to be removed or taken any actions against Pinman, We should assume that it is pure speculation or a frame attempt. We should ask... At least I will ask - WHY? and why now.
We have been forced to move towards the one place I didn't want to go. A KMT stronghold.
I hope the officers or anyone with the capability to do so, are taking time to investigate me this coming night. (the more the better, for comparison)
When I am cleared - I am going to demand answers. I want to know why we are going to attack that KMT stronghold. I want to know why no other cliques are formed - even after it was promised to us to be of priority.
Yet again, a member of the group I have been in is removed just before a clique is formed. There is too little transparency in the leadership. I am not going to just sit here being run over by KMT or Japanese traitors.
Wouldn't it be a priority for those groups to get a position among the officers?
This has been my suspicion since the start. And GH's choice of investigator was surprising if not controversial.
That Beskar was revealed as communist, put the spotlight on GH. Would it be unthinkable that he is the KMT colonel? The Japanese seems to be using an officer as the killer. Could it be that the KMT has tied up their officer killer? This would surely explain the lack of kills by KMT. And if GH is KMT, then he would have put one of his own as the investigator and thereby fabricated innocent results for the rest of the KMT. And that would explain the rather late addition of a deputy. When alibi has been established for all KMT scum, it is time to do some real investigation.
I was informed by Subotan that I was within the rules.
-EDIT- That is to say that Subotan explained the rules to me after my death, and based on that explanation, my actions are within the rules.
GeneralHankerchief
07-07-2010, 19:24
Ok... let's look at this from another angle.
Pinman, a dead player AND confirmed KMT, suddenly drops in and accuses someone of being Japanese. If it is true, he is clearly breaking several rules.
If I really were a Japanese, I would have gone to our host and asked to be removed and put a random player in my place.
Since Subotan has not asked the posts to be removed or taken any actions against Pinman, We should assume that it is pure speculation or a frame attempt. We should ask... At least I will ask - WHY? and why now.
We have been forced to move towards the one place I didn't want to go. A KMT stronghold.
I hope the officers or anyone with the capability to do so, are taking time to investigate me this coming night. (the more the better, for comparison)
When I am cleared - I am going to demand answers. I want to know why we are going to attack that KMT stronghold. I want to know why no other cliques are formed - even after it was promised to us to be of priority.
Yet again, a member of the group I have been in is removed just before a clique is formed. There is too little transparency in the leadership. I am not going to just sit here being run over by KMT or Japanese traitors.
Wouldn't it be a priority for those groups to get a position among the officers?
This has been my suspicion since the start. And GH's choice of investigator was surprising if not controversial.
That Beskar was revealed as communist, put the spotlight on GH. Would it be unthinkable that he is the KMT colonel? The Japanese seems to be using an officer as the killer. Could it be that the KMT has tied up their officer killer? This would surely explain the lack of kills by KMT. And if GH is KMT, then he would have put one of his own as the investigator and thereby fabricated innocent results for the rest of the KMT. And that would explain the rather late addition of a deputy. When alibi has been established for all KMT scum, it is time to do some real investigation.
I can answer some of this now, since you *are* being fully investigated tonight and we'll be able to see what you are in a couple of hours.
First of all, I'm sorry about the lack of cliques being formed. But my priority is the protection of important targets. Unfortunately, the split-up of the group has given me less flexibility in this regard. miotas was one of ACIN's protectors last night. He got lynched, I needed a third on ACIN. So I called up Jolt, a confirmed 100% unconvertable innocent, to the A-Team to protect the highest-priority target. I'm sorry if this removed the chances of another clique being formed, but frankly, I'd rather have my most powerful investigator alive than preserving the integrity of a clique. Every single solitary soul on the south bank is doing something at night, and at this point there are no substitutes.
You mean like you encouraging a revolt along with known-mafia Pinman, suspect Romanic and suspect YLC?
I was actually dead when I finally voiced my concerns about our current leadership and encouraged a revolt.
Yaseikhaan was, amongst other things, an insomniac. He had always found it hard to sleep since he had been disturbed in bed when a shell landed near his house in the Zhongshan Warship Incident. It was thus no surprise that he was up and about at two in the morning, pacing back and forth through the now-small camp. He soon tired of this, and went over to the gorge to admire the view in the moonlight. He sat on the edge, and dangled his feet off the cliff top, wiggling his toes over the 100 ft drop. But crunching leaves behind him caused him to spin round and spring to his feet.
Standing there was a Japanese Officer, in full uniform, and holding in both of his heavily veined hands, the sharpest and longest katana that Yaseikhaan had ever seen. But Yaseikhaan showed no fear, despite not having any sort of weapon on him to counter this threat, and he merely raised up his hands into a boxing position.
"Attacking an Officer?" tutted Yaseikhaan "How sly. No matter, my allies will surely arrive any second now to capture you and reveal your identity"
The Jap raised an eyebrow and gestured behind him. There was total and complete silence, with not a flicker of movement visible. If Yaesikhaan did have allies, then they were invisible ones. Seeing this, Yaseikhaan said nothing, but he bit his lower lip and chewed on it anxiously. His fists tightened, and his feet bit into into the crumbly soil.
"Well, you know what they say..." said Yaseikhaan to the smirking Jap. "...Fortune favours the brave"
With that, Yaesikhaan swung his left foot up like a hammer into the Colonel's face, who fell back onto to the clay soil with a thump and a bloody nose. Yaseikhaan jumped onto the Jap like a cat, and pummelled him in the chest with a hail of short, sharp punches. The Japanese's eyes bulged as the air in his lungs was beaten out of him with a animal-like ferocity. Scrabbling for his sword with his left hand, his long fingers eventually managed to clasp the leather handle, and he slammed the pommel into Yaeikhaan's temple, who was knocked off the the Reactionary and sent sprawling on the ground. Not even pausing for breath, the Counter-Revolutionary staggered to his feet, and plunged his sword into Yaseikhaan's back, severing his spine, and killing him instantly. The Jap closed his eyes and collapsed onto the ground, breathing deep and fast, his heart racing from the fear of how close to death he had come.
***
GeneralHankerchief was not happy. Not happy at all. One of his loyal officers had been murdered in the night because of Bourgeoisie actions, and it was his Special Operative to boot.
"I am not happy. Not happy at all." reiterated the Chairman "Not only did a loyal Officer of mine die, but, somebody slipped up and didn't do what they were meant to do. They know who they are, and I have a good idea myself of who they might be."
He flashed a hard stare at the Communists, and the Detachment did a collective gulp.
"Tomorrow night, we shall be in range of the Wenti Bridge, and I expect to cross it tomorrow morning, so, be prepared.I shall pick my new Special Operative tomorrow morning, so nominations are now open.
Also, I have some happy news, for a change. It turns out TheFlax, although originally a brave Stalwart of the Revolution, was tempted to the Nationalist side through promises of plunder and treachery, successfully infiltrating the Fengxi Clique! Truly, this was a despicable act for the TheFlax to commit, and I am glad we managed to purge such Counter-Revolutionary elements from our glorious People's Army, for fear of diluting the inevitable Worker's Revolution with revisionism and anti-Marxist thoughts and activities!"
North Side Alive: ?
South Side Alive: 11/40
ACIN
Captain Blackadder
Cute Wolf
Death is yonder
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
Joooray
Renata
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd
Lynched players 7/40
Azathoth
Beefy187
shlin28
Niklas
Pinman
TheFlax
YLC
miotas
Killed Players 10/40
Winston Hughes
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
Beskar
Chaotix
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Secura
CDF
aThis
Yaesikhaan
Devoured by Rats - 2
Thermal Mercury
Wishazu
Deadline is in 36 hours, at 22:00 GMT +1.
GeneralHankerchief
07-08-2010, 11:21
:stare:
I had people on khaan. There will be blood for this.
Sigurd, Joooray, DIY. Answers. Now.
-edit- I got PMs from all of them. One of you three is lying.
:stare:
I had people on khaan. There will be blood for this.
Sigurd, Joooray, DIY. Answers. Now.
-edit- I got PMs from all of them. One of you three is lying.
Well... I am innocent as your investigation will show. I was only protecting and did nothing else.
GeneralHankerchief
07-08-2010, 11:35
Well... I am innocent as your investigation will show. I was only protecting and did nothing else.
We'll see. You could be guilty and just decided to take one of my men out before the results came through. In which case: My apologies, Renata.
The alternative theory is that there are two enemies of PEXDET on this bank, one in the group who decided not to protect khaan, and one who carried out the kill. The odds of this attack not being coordinated are extraordinarily high, and one of you three had better be strung up before the day is out.
GeneralHankerchief
07-08-2010, 12:29
The more I think about it, the more the "go out with a bang" strategy makes sense to me. One or two preliminary votes on Sigurd, please.
Captain Blackadder
07-08-2010, 12:37
Any info from DIY yet?
Death is yonder
07-08-2010, 12:40
I've been protecting all the way, successfully protecting high-profile targets.
There is no incentive for me to change my orders after attaining some credibility and dropping some suspicion off me and putting myself under flak when not before already. That would be incredibly silly considering that there is still a substantial amount of players to be taking this kind of gambit (all or nothing).
OTOH, Sigurd voiced his desire to be investigated, and its entirely possible that this theory follows:
You could be guilty and just decided to take one of my men out before the results came through
It would make sense as Sigurd would be "cleared" so to speak, and Khaan would be removed, presenting a further obstacle.
Vote: Sigurd
Following up on my previous phase's assessment with Sigurd being of a "maybe/likely" rather than Joooray's "maybe/unlikely".
Death is yonder
07-08-2010, 12:42
I would also like to further note that prior protections of Yaseikhaan were carried out without incident until Sigurd was practically saying "investigate me! investigate me!" and was informed explicitly in public that he would be fully checked out this night.
I can answer some of this now, since you *are* being fully investigated tonight and we'll be able to see what you are in a couple of hours.
GeneralHankerchief
07-08-2010, 12:45
I would also like to further note that prior protections of Yaseikhaan were carried out without incident until Sigurd was practically saying "investigate me! investigate me!" and was informed explicitly in public that he would be fully checked out this night.
Yes, I've already been chided for saying as much. Assuming Sigurd does come back guilty, we can lay the blame for this one on me. I was overconfident.
This is where I miss autolycus. I hope he's doing okay... :juggle2:
DiY is probably right. The kills are typically identified, so there's no incentive I can think of for any non-Sigurd counter-revolutionary to try to pin anything on him -- it wouldn't work.
vote: Sigurd
I'm not going to lie. But, I think you're making a good move, and any good move regardless of faction is appreciated by me.
Yeah... go ahead and vote me, even if the investigations say I am innocent. This will be another Secura incindent.
Guilty before proven innocent.
I am going to vote: DiY. I think he is involved in this frame.
I've been protecting all the way, successfully protecting high-profile targets.
Is he in a Clique? Then he is not lying technically speaking...
You know what? ... I am thinking I or one of my comarades were blocked last night. Just you wait and see.
The votes will pile on top of me this round, the next round votes will be piled on Joooray and then DiY
The guilty party is GH and one of his cronies. Just as he did in Godfather he will silence the only one left that shows any tiny fraction of opposition. This time however I am not going to keep quiet.
unvote.
vote: REVOLT!!!
This is the only way we remove all of the officers.
Seamus Fermanagh
07-08-2010, 14:42
Sigurd:
Your theory is not impossible, of course, but GH's posting behavior has been very normal GH mafia. Yours on the other hand is way more active and way more focused -- especially with the whole oil industry reeling a tad. Taken all-in-all, I have to
Vote: Sigurd.
DIY/Jooray not completely clear as yet, but not sure if double checks are good use of investigative resources. Thoughts?
Captain Blackadder
07-08-2010, 14:47
Vote: Sigurd.
It seems that DIY and Jooray are less likely to be the betrayer of the group which leaves you.
Oh really.
Maybe not the only way... but we can strip them of their powers and gather a few vigilante teams and get rid of them all. Its more clear to me now than before. We have been duped. The Mafia sits with power roles. It could be Japanese or KMT. Doesn't really matter. Both plagues need to go.
I am thinking KMT since we are moving towards the KMT stronghold.
We need new leadership now before GH and his cronies orders us to scale the walls of certain death. We shouldn't attack the stronghold.
Vote: Sigurd
I'm still interesting in hearing his investigation results too, though.
It would make sense as Sigurd would be "cleared" so to speak, and Khaan would be removed, presenting a further obstacle.
Vote: Sigurd
Following up on my previous phase's assessment with Sigurd being of a "maybe/likely" rather than Joooray's "maybe/unlikely".
DiY is probably right. The kills are typically identified, so there's no incentive I can think of for any non-Sigurd counter-revolutionary to try to pin anything on him -- it wouldn't work.
vote: Sigurd
Sigurd:
Your theory is not impossible, of course, but GH's posting behavior has been very normal GH mafia. Yours on the other hand is way more active and way more focused -- especially with the whole oil industry reeling a tad. Taken all-in-all, I have to
Vote: Sigurd.
DIY/Jooray not completely clear as yet, but not sure if double checks are good use of investigative resources. Thoughts?
Vote: Sigurd.
It seems that DIY and Jooray are less likely to be the betrayer of the group which leaves you.
You are going to unvote me when the results are presented right?
You need another candidate as well. Who will you vote when I am cleared????
Captain Blackadder
07-08-2010, 14:54
4 votes is enough we can easily be outvoted by the rest of the players when results do come forward. If so I suspect Jooray is next on the chopping block in terms of being unloyal to the cause.
4 votes is enough we can easily be outvoted by the rest of the players when results do come forward. If so I suspect Jooray is next on the chopping block in terms of being unloyal to the cause.
I knew it.. you are in on this too... first me then Joooray and then DiY.
I'm not really sure what to make of this whole incident. All I can say is, that I haven't switched orders last night and as such can't be held responsible for what happened.
I'll wait for the results before I'll decide who I'll vote for. I have been working with Sigurd in GH's service for a while now, so I have little to doubt either one of them, but of course that doesn't entirely clear any of them both. Then again, Sigurd recent behaviour seems like a desperate attempt to save his life and I have a hard time picturing the "administration" being infiltrated the way he claims.
Finally, GH, I'd be happy to take up Yasei's post. I want to prove my worth to the revolution.
Death is yonder
07-08-2010, 15:26
Maybe not the only way... but we can strip them of their powers and gather a few vigilante teams and get rid of them all. Its more clear to me now than before. We have been duped. The Mafia sits with power roles. It could be Japanese or KMT. Doesn't really matter. Both plagues need to go.
I am thinking KMT since we are moving towards the KMT stronghold.
We need new leadership now before GH and his cronies orders us to scale the walls of certain death. We shouldn't attack the stronghold.
So basically you advocate the entire removal of the whole leadership, as the whole leadership as well as the independent investigator who confirmed them are all in a major conspiracy. :inquisitive:
You do realize you are stating that out of an amazing coincidence, every single leadership position is being occupied by an Imperialist/Reactionary?
This isn't really helping your case Sigurd :no:
The fact that along with all this, you are basically suggesting that we waste 2-3 rounds lynching me then Joooray, followed by summarily using all night actions to vig existing officers to "remove this plague" as you call it.
Captain Blackadder
07-08-2010, 15:30
I knew it.. you are in on this too... first me then Joooray and then DiY.
I have changed my mind your are not a traitor you are quite simply insane. You have paranoid delusions that the entire leadership of the party is somehow traitors to the cause.
GeneralHankerchief
07-08-2010, 19:22
You know what? ... I am thinking I or one of my comarades were blocked last night. Just you wait and see.
The votes will pile on top of me this round, the next round votes will be piled on Joooray and then DiY
The guilty party is GH and one of his cronies. Just as he did in Godfather he will silence the only one left that shows any tiny fraction of opposition. This time however I am not going to keep quiet.
unvote.
vote: REVOLT!!!
This is the only way we remove all of the officers.
I'm going to enjoy this execution immensely.
No results yet? ... This only shows the incompetence of our current leadership.
You call me crazy, you call me insane.
I am quite sane and sober in my accusations. The hit on Yaseikhaan, even though he was protected, certainly looks like a frame. I am not advocating wasting lynches on us... The Chairman is. And he set us up.
I am calling for a change in leadership. New leadership should be in place after the two groups are yet gathered. Right now we need to strip GH of his power. I firmly believe that Mafia usurped the leadership positions. I first believed it was Beskar, hence my vote on GH. But Beskar was innocent.
And then GH elects "friends" for his officer positions... well not his most important one. He goes and chooses ACIN. Any of you who would attempt an explanation for this?
My guess is that Subotan's random.org chose ACIN for GH. ACIN and GH are in the same Mafia group. I thought KMT at first. But now I am convinced. Our great chairman is a jap, and so is his cop investigator. And they have set us up in an elaborate quick strike. Watch now how GH will put another Mafioso in place of Yaseikhaan.
autolycus and Seamus might be true comrades, but GH and ACIN is guilty as sin.
GeneralHankerchief
07-08-2010, 21:51
Quiet, imperialist scum.
Quiet, imperialist scum.
Truth is harsh, huh? ...
Well? Investigations in yet? .. or not quite finished being fabricated. It's been, what 12 hours since the results. I haven't heard anything remotely resembling investigation results.
And it's 24 hours until a lynch :cool:
Time is ticking...
I demand votes being taken off me and put where it counts. Let's hear the excuses.
vote: ACIN
a completely inoffensive name
07-09-2010, 07:53
I'm going to send you a PM sigurd.
Double A
07-09-2010, 08:16
If GH is a Jap, then why did the N1 protection against a Nippo work?
If GH is a Jap, then why did the N1 protection against a Nippo work?
How in any way does that acquit GH from being a Jap?
Oh, wait - GH ordered the protection of Beskar and lo and behold - he was attacked the same night. Have you not played Mafia games before? It's called - establishing an alibi.
"Hey... guys - let's protect Beskar tonight. I have a gut feeling that he will be attacked".
Are you all blind??
I bet you wish you elected me now, Sigurd. :tongue:
I am curious to who attacked me night one and two though. Feel free to PM me, whoever did it. I won't reveal it to anyone in the game. I am just curious why you did it.
a completely inoffensive name
07-09-2010, 09:38
My investigation results on Sigurd have come back. The problem is that the results pose a conundrum. For now, I would advise not to vote for Sigurd after talking to him.
EDIT: I will await for GH's final say in the matter, and I suggest everyone to follow what GH says.
Captain Blackadder
07-09-2010, 10:00
unvote Sigurd
Seems strange what where the results exactly ? How do they form a conondrum?
a completely inoffensive name
07-09-2010, 10:19
unvote Sigurd
Seems strange what where the results exactly ? How do they form a conondrum?
That is the thing. If I tell you what the problem is, I will reveal something that I can't reveal at least until GH logs in and gives his take on the matter. GH will be on shortly (I hope) to discuss the matter.
When I first started playing these games, I would always get pissed at all the leadership not telling me anything. Now, I can kind of see their point in the matter. If we had more people instead of just 11, I would tell you all. But numbers are critical right now.
GeneralHankerchief
07-09-2010, 11:27
Votes off Sigurd please. ACIN as well. Let's put them on a neutral target. I will explain at the end of the round.
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