Westeros: A Game of Thrones.

[Greyblades]

The fat man????:brood:

I think you better get off the egg nog, he puts even less stock in rumors and is more of a "black hole of information" as far as Tywin knows/cares.:book:

Plus these people that you guys are mentioning have EVERY REASON to hide the truth and are only feigning loyalty for their our gain.(Not that we would know this but come on? why would the fat man and LF be loyal to Tywin like lackey's):shrug:

Well he does loaths magic users. Sheesh, its like you think I'm dumb enough to trust anyone for no reason.

[White_eyes:D]

The thing is that it was going to be true but not just yet. It's like saying he knows what Mel is going to do even though she hasn't done it just yet. How does he know she even has "powers" or even that she is going to try and convert everyone to R'hllor or even that she succeeded?:shrug:

I might as well start predicting what well happen to Robb if he goes to KL's under the Lannister's "guest right" but that is from me reading the books, so better not to say it if it's not confirmed knowledge.:no:

Edit:BTW Greyblades, your playing your Tywin role "Like a Boss".:laugh4:

[Greyblades]

Did I ever say he knows about mel?

[White_eyes:D]

Then how does he know about false god's that Stannis is going to worship(Perhaps) and that Stannis used Witchcraft(I didn't see anything in the write-ups that links him to it just the books, thus I act like I saw nothing)?:book:

[Beskar]

I might as well start predicting what well happen to Robb if he goes to KL's under the Lannister's "guest right" but that is from me reading the books, so better not to say it if it's not confirmed knowledge.:no:

That isn't in the books. He goes to place x for totally unrelated reason.

As you saw in my own message, I said it will be a repeat of Aerys the Mad King. This isn't in the books and it just a pure speculation.

[Greyblades]

Then how does he know about false god's that Stannis is going to worship and that Stannis used Witchcraft?
Come on, you can figure it out. You'd be the first to figure it out, but maybe 35th time a charm.

[White_eyes:D]

It's rather obvious to anyone who reads the books, but what if I didn't? I would guess that it was you or Joffrey with his hired lackeys. Stannis wouldn't admit to doing it as it shows his hand.

@Tiaexz: It parallels the books almost exactly so far, maybe not the Greyjoy thing but you know what I mean. Kinda hard not to think of what is going to happen.:sweatdrop:

[Diamondeye]

I agree completely with Secura... So far, this game feels incredibly "meta-gamed". I feel like if you consider doing something, ask yourself "is there any of motivation to do this that stems from in-book knowledge?" If yes, don't do it. I'm not here to act out the books.

[Greyblades]

It's rather obvious to anyone who reads the books, but what if I didn't? I would guess that it was you or Joffrey with his hired lackeys. Stannis wouldn't admit to doing it as it shows his hand.
You know, I'm going to tell you when stannis dies and you are going to be so annoyed at how simple the answer is.

[Beskar]

There is a difference between roleplaying and metagaming though Diamondeye.

Stannis will never ever work with the Lannisters, pretty much period. What can be metagamey though is if I would completely ignore my character to do such a thing. In the same light, the orders "Look throughout the city for caches of Wildlife" is metagamey for using knowledge not even possessed by your character to do something you only know from reading the book.

But then there is the other line, where you can act if your character does know something and this is evidenced by the book. For example, Stannis was at king's landing working closely with John Arryn and knew Gendry was Robert's bastard, I could use that knowledge to say Gendry is Robert's bastard.

The books should only be a guide as to what you can know and how your character behaves, outside of that, you might as well throw it on the fire.

[Kival]

I think it's good the background plays a role. A Stannis-Lannister alliance e.g. would feel ridiculous. It's not metagamey to use the character background from the book for decisions; actually it's rather the opposite. Nobody is forced to do this but I think it's great if you have the feeling to recognize a character. We don't have just some meaningless factions without any history with each other. You don't need to read the booky by the way, all relevant informations can be easily found via google.

[Double A]

Stannis has a mage?

How did Tyrell learn this? He must have mages too.

House Martell cannot condone this mage gap!

We will respond by hiring FIRE MAGES FIRE MAGES FIRE MAGES.

All of my neighbors have mages. I must recruit a rainbow mage to defend myself.

[The Stranger]

how is the entire game sofar metagamed for one comment made by Greyblades which was wasnt very odd at all. perhaps the false gods thing was something he couldnt really know... but then again perhaps he could know. you dont know who in Stannis his house is talking behind his back to Tywin (in this game).

If you cant use knowledge from the books at all then the game should be changed and only use the Westeros setting with the houses and map and perhaps even characters but leave the rest totally open. No rivalry between stannis and Lannister or the North and such. then you can develop a total different game. But if you do it this way then i think you shouldnt nag about tiny things going a bit too fast. its not as if tywin has called the entire Faith to condemn Stannis as heretic with a flaming sword who burns people in fires. Or that the Starks just plain murder the Freys when they go south of the neck to avoid the Red Wedding...

[Beskar]

Or that the Starks just plain murder the Freys when they go south of the neck to avoid the Red Wedding...

That wouldn't be needed anyway and that would be metagame-fail on the fact it doesn't even take account of the circumstances that lead to the Red Wedding.

[Greyblades]

Yeah and considering Robb is being invited to KL, he probably wont have to go anywhere near the Freys.

[White_eyes:D]

It's not really meta-gaming to kill the Frey's. The position that they are holding is key and if we try and pass with an army we need to go thru them, according to the map we have anyway.

If they won't let us pass, what choice do we have? In the books it was clear that time and a little blackmail helped the Frey's. In this case we can siege it till the others invade.:trollface:

Not that I would do anything like that but you get the picture, it is more about location then because of the RW thing which has not even happened.

@Greyblades: Keep dreaming that Robb would ever trust the Lannisters with "Guest right".:wink:

[Greyblades]

He's young, dumb, and honorable as his father, I expect him to at least consider arguing for a more neutral ground for a trial.
Oh and when did I earn a reputation for betraying guest rites? Seriously, Joffrey's a twit but this Tywin lannister we're talking about, he's not going to ruin his reputation just to screw over a neutral party, especially now he's freaking kings regent.

[White_eyes:D]

We all know how Cat convinced him not to go and pledge fealty to Joffrey in the books and that was even before he killed Ned.(After he confessed to treason and Joffrey was crowned)

How much more would he distrust them after they outright refused his request and even murdered his dad for doing his duty. Even naive young people have there limits.:laugh4:

[Kagemusha]

Why are you speculating like this here in this thread? How the Frey´s will react depends completely how JHT wants to rule about it. In the end the Frey´s are vassals of Tully´s so maybe you ought to be more concerned about Tully´s rather then Frey´s?

[White_eyes:D]

Why are you speculating like this here in this thread? How the Frey´s will react depends completely how JHT wants to rule about it. In the end the Frey´s are vassals of Tully´s so maybe you ought to be more concerned about Tully´s rather then Frey´s?This is a feudal medieval system. Not a Absolute monarchy, it's somewhat expected to predict how various vassals will react. It was just an example that I was not singling out the Frey's but that if I wanted to pass anyone who is at a bottleneck, that I might need to try more "forceful" methods.(And not because the book said so but because its just common sense if you look at the map):shrug:

[Beskar]

He's young, dumb, and honorable as his father, I expect him to at least consider arguing for a more neutral ground for a trial.
Oh and when did I earn a reputation for betraying guest rites? Seriously, Joffrey's a twit but this Tywin lannister we're talking about, he's not going to ruin his reputation just to screw over a neutral party, especially now he's freaking kings regent.

I think this sums him up better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47MazYDnmaU

Also kind of why some of your RP has been more Cersei-like than Tywin.

[Kagemusha]

This is a feudal medieval system. Not a Absolute monarchy, it's somewhat expected to predict how various vassals will react. It was just an example that I was not singling out the Frey's but that if I wanted to pass anyone who is at a bottleneck, that I might need to try more "forceful" methods.(And not because the book said so but because its just common sense if you look at the map):shrug:

I never suggested it was absolute monarchy, but maybe the Frey´s are more of a concern of Tully´s then you. There is no indication of what so ever that they are going to betray you, so unless you get information concerning such possibility from game host.Such speculation is completely unnecessary.
If you are paranoid about Frey´s send a spy among them rather then speculate how they might act based on how they acted in the books.

[Beskar]

Frey's do have a history is based upon Lore. Their stance and actions during Robert's rebellion are all well known.

[White_eyes:D]

Whoa, where are you getting that I was even expecting that they would betray me and that's why I would attack them?

I was just mentioning how there in the way and how a feudal system works. Even if the liege told him to let us pass, it would still be up to him on whether or not he should honor it. Who knows, maybe he well declare independence or sign up with someone else.

We just don't know what well happen and that's the beauty of it.:smoking:

[Greyblades]

Also kind of why some of your RP has been more Cersei-like than Tywin.
Eh, I don't seem to be on the same page, and explaining my actions in an attempt to persuade my opponant otherwise would be a waste of time.


How much more would he distrust them after they outright refused his request and even murdered his dad for doing his duty. Even naive young people have there limits.
But we didnt outright refuse his request. Come to trial, and beat us outright, and you'll get what you want.

[Kagemusha]

I was just pointing out how such speculation is unnecessary in public. Like i said in my first post concerning the issue. I am quite sure JHT will not make this game a copy of the books.We will know when things will be unraveled.
You can react to issues when you have proper information to base your actions upon. If indeed Frey´s would decide to reject you passing the Twins.I am sure you Stark´s can come up with ideas how to deal with that.

[Greyblades]

You can react to issues when you have proper information to base your actions upon. If indeed Frey´s would decide to reject you passing the Twins.I am sure you Stark´s can come up with ideas how to deal with that.
I never really understood that, couldnt Robb have just said "screw it" and walked upstream to the green fork's source and crossed there, or heck they could go around alltogether by heading west of greywater watch and following the forest edge south and end up in the same place.

[Kagemusha]

I never really understood that, couldnt Robb have just said "screw it" and walked upstream to the green fork's source and crossed there, or heck they could go around alltogether.

My thoughts exactly.:yes:

[White_eyes:D]

With a medieval army you would suffer some pretty horrible attrition from that by not using the Kings road. Not to mention that North men are not good swimmers with the armor and weapons.:laugh4:

Edit: Speed wins the day, the longer your army is in the field the more angry your vassals get.(They pay upkeep after all)

[Kagemusha]

With a medieval army you would suffer some pretty horrible attrition from that by not using the Kings road. Not to mention that North men are not good swimmers with the armor and weapons.:laugh4:

Edit: Speed wins the day, the longer your army is in the field the more angry your vassals get.(They pay upkeep after all)

Are you for real? Maybe a quick look at a map should tell you a bit different story:

http://gameofthrones.net/images/Westeros_Maps/map_of_westeros.jpg

Kings road goes from North to South passing Twins from the East. If anything going to Twins was getting off from main road.~D

[Kival]

Not anything happens as in the books but anything which happens before the start of the game happened exactly as in the books - that's at least what I understand. So you can guess actions to some degree on the history of Houses/families etc. - The frame is defined by the books but not the exact actions. And as probably the played houses act differently to some degree the npcs will have to act differently too. But I doubt they will have a strong change in aims or believes etc. At least not without actions of the players towards it. Anyway: Let's just see what's coming. So far I see no big problem. I really don't know how Tywin will know anything about the "false gods" but so far it's not a real problem.

[White_eyes:D]

Why did Robb go to the Twins then?

Did he just want to avoid the Main road?? There is more then enough room to just go around. I am just going to guess he wanted some supplies from them or something:sweatdrop:

I found this answer...
1) Because if you'll look at the map, the Twins is northernmost crossing. It is mentioned in the books that if they go any further south, they will have to fight past Tywin, and Robb is very uncertain about his chances of beating him (not to mention how he would have to ignore Jaime's host.

[Kagemusha]

Why did Robb go to the Twins then?

Did he just want to avoid the Main road?? There is more then enough room to just go around. I am just going to guess he wanted some supplies from them or something:sweatdrop:

Only logical thing i can think off is that he was worried about leaving a possibly hostile force behind to harass his line of supply, but as we are not dealing wiht history, but rather fantasy.We should not dwell too deep into it.:yes:

Edit: Just read your edit. So it was done to get to Jaime. Good catch.

[The Stranger]

crossing the twins meant 1 river crossing instead of 2-3 rivercrossings on their way to lift the siege of riverrun. and since the season was wet and rains heavy there would be good chance that they couldnt cross the trident more down stream because the river would be too wild and wide. they could go around it all together but that would mean crossing wood and swamplands... not exactly perfect marching terrain.

and by god you guys are supposed to be the top military commanders of the 7 kingdoms... im just an admiral and i could tell that...

[Greyblades]

Eh, this really doesnt matter, riverrun is not under siege and we're not even at war yet. What does matter is the starks response to Tywin's summons, should they back out when challenged or throw away any attempts for compromise without consideration, well, I think quite a number of lords would start wondering if the Stark's claims are legitimate.
Hint, hint.

[Kagemusha]

Apparently they dont have the map of Seven Kingdoms either at Iron Isles. The easiest march to Riverrun would have been following the King´s Road to Lord Harroway´s Town and then marching the River Road West to RiverRun, but like White_eyes found from the text.The reason for crossing the Twins was to avoid the force of Tywin and surprise Jaime.

Greyblades,what Stark claims are you talking about?

[Greyblades]

Didnt you read his post? Sigurd claims Joffrey murdered Eddard Stark through Sandor Clegane.

Edit: I just realised how that sounds, put it this way: the Starks say it was murder of the Hand of the king, we say it was an execution of a traitor.

[Kagemusha]

Oh you mean that. I would think no matter if Joffrey killed the Leader of their house and Warden of The North unlawfully or lawfully. There is little chance they would like to negotiate with him in situation where Joffrey is not the only claimant to the throne. You just dont kill leaders of mighty families wihout consequences.

Edit: Reading your edit does not chance my attitude. The Sympathies of house Stark and their vassals are definitely not with King Joffrey after killing Ned Stark.No matter what kind of explanations are given out in order to explain the act.

[Greyblades]

:dozey:You make it sound as if we wanted it to happen.

Edit: Reading your edit does not chance my attitude. The Sympathies of house Stark and their vassals are definitely not with King Joffrey after killing Ned Stark.No matter what kind of explanations are given out in order to explain the act.
Funny, I remember one or two who ended up for Joffrey in the books.

[Kagemusha]

Surely im suggesting no such thing. More likely that you now just have to live with it.~;)

[Beskar]

You know that they would have to march an extra 400-500 miles to go "around" using the King's Road, straight into Tywin Lannister's army which was stationed there, compared to going over the twins, cutting 400-500 miles from their journey to relieve Riverrun?

[Greyblades]

Surely im suggesting no such thing. More likely that you now just have to live with it.~;)

Well, anyway, I need not thier sympathies just the trial, if he refuses he comes off as not respecting the law of the land.

[Kagemusha]

You know that they would have to march an extra 400-500 miles to go "around" using the King's Road, straight into Tywin Lannister's army which was stationed there, compared to going over the twins, cutting 400-500 miles from their journey to relieve River-run.

I got that from a 2 second glance at the map, it is quite glaring, I am surprised you couldn't see it at all.

And you are saying that march on broken terrain would be faster then via road? Marching first some 100 miles offroad to Twins and then some 400 miles at broken terrain towards South with also in mountaneus terrain.So in total about 500 miles in offroad and broken terrain, compared to 700-800 miles via major road. Ive marched enough during my military service to understand the difference between marching at road and marching at offroad terrain.

[Beskar]

Was going to edit my post but you beat me to it by replying.

https://img703.imageshack.us/img703/6696/robsarmy.png

This is the situation, in the book, Rob sent a diversion to Tywin's Army, whilst going to relieve Riverun from a Seige. If he succeeded, he would have gained the support of the Riverlords (So more armies). Delaying time would mean the seige has progressed further, so it is a count down there. Plus, Robb doesn't have the forces to defeat two armies. Each Lannister army is composed of 30,000 men each, Robb only has 18,000 at his command, and he just sent 2000 of those as a diversion, so he is currently facing Jamie's 30,000 with 16,000. What he has is the elemental of surprised and the fact they are seiging. He needs to act quickly and put the situation to his advantage.

He ultimately did the best course of action and the results in the book reflected that. What stood between that is the Twins.

Orange Line:
Fastest Route to Riverrun
Requires the Twin's
Element of Surprise

Pink Route:
Slower Longer Route
Facing 60,000 men with 18,000
No Element of Surprise

[Montmorency]

Eh, this really doesnt matter, riverrun is not under siege and we're not even at war yet. What does matter is the starks response to Tywin's summons, should they back out when challenged or throw away any attempts for compromise without consideration, well, I think quite a number of lords would start wondering if the Stark's claims are legitimate.
Hint, hint.

I wouldn't.

[Kagemusha]

Yes you are right, but in my post i was only referring to the actually fastest route and also pointed out that like White_eyes pointed in the text, what Rob did was the best move in Strategic sense.I am not though quite sure which of my posts are you referring into in your original post?

[Greyblades]

I wouldn't.

Sheep wouldn't eat meat, that doesn't mean the wolf should go hungry.

[Montmorency]

Wolves have been extinct in the south for centuries.

[Kival]

Well, anyway, I need not thier sympathies just the trial, if he refuses he comes off as not respecting the law of the land.

I could answer that now... but why are we again having this semi-ingame dialogues here? That is really awkward. Is that usual here?

[White_eyes:D]

I could answer that now... but why are we again having this semi-ingame dialogues here? That is really awkward. Is that usual here? The game thread is more for official announcements for your faction. Here is more for playful criticizing or information/etc.

I am kinda happy about it all though, now I know I never need to move though the Twins.:clown:

@Greyblades: I think the North would be surprised if Robb didn't declare war after that. Maybe even accuse him of not doing his duty and being involved with his fathers death.

You somehow keep thinking that the Iron throne is a Absolute Monarchy title or something. Truth is that this a Feudal Monarchy system in which the Vassal provides troops and money to his lord in exchange for protection. Killing a head of house is always cause for Civil war in that kind of government.:book:

[Kival]

The King in Westeros has formidable powers though and a strong centralized law for a feudal monarchy - the problem is just, that Joffrey is not the rightfull king ;-).

[Greyblades]

...I'm sorry, but I generally assumed that accusations against a Prince would generally come under the jurisdiction of the Kings justice.

Anyway I'm giving you a chance to get justice in a fair, honorable and, in comparison, bloodless way. Yet you seem to be refusing without so much as an attempt at negociation.

You call for justice, but when justice beckons for you to come forward and state your claim you hide behind your armies and say no, and when you call for others to seek justice you do not so much as give them even a small chance to defend themselves in a court of law. Heck the one time you do so much as pay lip servce to the Laws of the land you kidnapped the defendant and dragged him infront of a biased judge, one I might add who was so struck with grief she would have killed anything that moved if you so much as implied it had something to do with her husbands death.
Heck I'm not even in character anymore, the starks repeatedly demand justice under the laws under the land, joffrey's supposedly a bastard, tyrion's implied to have tried to kill Brandon etc. Yet they sieze innocents on the roads, attempt coups, hold sham trials and when things dont go thier way they throw a tantrum and send an army. They are not coming off as seeking justice, they come off as seeking blind vengance and having no respect for the Laws and traditions thier former head of house held so dear.

[Ishmael]

OOC: Do the Lannisters have Arya in their control at present?

[Double A]

I think the two routes would take roughly the same amount of time, but why is everyone arguing about how long it would take Robb to go southwest when he's going to head southeast?

[Greyblades]

OOC: Do the Lannisters have Arya in their control at present?

If we do we would be parading her around and telling the starks to attend court or she dies, if we dont we would be keeping quiet about it.
Which do you think?

[Beskar]

I wonder where Jyane Poole has disappeared to.

[Greyblades]

Huh, I had forgotten about her, she didnt seem important enough to bother with, I suppose if she didnt go with Sansa she's still in KL somewhere.
I wonder where Beric dondarrion went, he was supposedly on the way to take Gregor Clegane's head yet I didn't get any messages about it.

[White_eyes:D]

The more I look at it, the more it seems apparent to me that you need Dragons to hold the Iron throne and the Seven kingdoms together. That's where the Strong centralized authority comes from, because when all else fails "unleash the dragon" and that fear keeps the nobles in line.:wizard:

Without them though....:grin2:

[Greyblades]

If that was true Robert's reign should have been one long disaster.

[Ishmael]

If that was true Robert's reign should have been one long disaster.

...and it wasn't? I can't recall the exact Crown debt at the start of GoT, but it was a lot (note to claimants: you'll be assuming this if you take the throne). And then there's the fact that the court at King's Landing became full of sometimes murderous intrigue, with Houses like Dorne plotting rebellion to top it all off.

[Greyblades]

So? Even with dragons, kings caused debt, houses rebelled and a court full of murderous intrigue was standard.

[Ishmael]

True, but the creditors wouldn't have pressed too hard on the issue of their owed money....

That, and I doubt the assassination of a king would have occurred if he had relatives with dragons waiting in the wings (no pun intended :D). Ditto houses rebelling and engaging in civil war.

[Greyblades]

Well there was the faith millitant uprising that tried to do so, Maegor I was killed on his throne through mysterious circumstances. Jaehaerys I paid for the building of the Nightswatch castle Deep Lake by paying with his wife's jewels, which suggests he didnt have the money to do it himself and didnt want to take out a loan for various reasons.
Anyway this is not the point, the Starks are wussing out of going through legal means and diverting the subject when called on it: discuss.

[The Stranger]

Was going to edit my post but you beat me to it by replying.

https://img703.imageshack.us/img703/6696/robsarmy.png

This is the situation, in the book, Rob sent a diversion to Tywin's Army, whilst going to relieve Riverun from a Seige. If he succeeded, he would have gained the support of the Riverlords (So more armies). Delaying time would mean the seige has progressed further, so it is a count down there. Plus, Robb doesn't have the forces to defeat two armies. Each Lannister army is composed of 30,000 men each, Robb only has 18,000 at his command, and he just sent 2000 of those as a diversion, so he is currently facing Jamie's 30,000 with 16,000. What he has is the elemental of surprised and the fact they are seiging. He needs to act quickly and put the situation to his advantage.

He ultimately did the best course of action and the results in the book reflected that. What stood between that is the Twins.

Orange Line:
Fastest Route to Riverrun
Requires the Twin's
Element of Surprise

Pink Route:
Slower Longer Route
Facing 60,000 men with 18,000
No Element of Surprise

yup. tho kage is no doubt right about what he said of marching on road and off road. though i think he is mistaken that there are no road between the the Twins, Seagard and Riverrun. so even though they might not be as good as the Kingsroad they are still traveled roads so the orange line of Beskar would still be the fastest, even if you take into account a slower marching speed due to poorer roads.

and iirc there was also mention in the books of heavy (autumn?) rains which made the river swell to bigger proportions which had already swept other crossings over the forks.

[White_eyes:D]

Anyway this is not the point, the Starks are wussing out of going through legal means and diverting the subject when called on it: discuss.
I recall reading why it would have been impossible to hold the North without Dragons, take a look if you want.

The North was one bad decision away from being BBQ'd as well. Torren - the King who Knelt -had brought his forces South; he had them concentrated near the Trident when Aegon came up with his Dragon and informed the Stark King of EXACTLY what would happen if Stark went through with his plan. King Stark listened to his plan and decided, "You know what? It would be SUICIDE for me to continue like this; let's make peace with our conquerors." Torren Stark Knelt and the North was secured without any bloodshed.

Thus marked the very last time a Stark listened to the reasonable warnings of his opponent.

Now, the one problem Dragons would have would be in dealing with guerrilla-type warfare or what we now call "asymmetrical combat forces." See Iraq insurgence, etc. The ability of dragons to fight dispersed enemies that engage in hit-and-run tactics would be severely limited, if not eliminated. This is again analogous to fighting guerrilla fighters with a B-52: yeah, they could destroy the forest, but the enemy may be gone. Here, the case-in-point was Dorne, which was conquered by the Young Dragon (presumably with dragons) but could not be held with dragons. So, in this area, dragons are NOT a cure-all or ultimate weapon.

But by-in-large? They would own Westroes.
The Kings hand was killed with the highest legal protection available, I don't think "guest right" would make him feel any safer. I keep thinking if Tywin found out Joffrey killed a King's hand before he was crowned without a trial, he would have a had a aneurism and died.:laugh4:

[Greyblades]

OK,
1. this is completely pointless.
2. Source?
3. You're not even considering it.

[White_eyes:D]

1. Better then this boring and smashing head against wall topic.:shrug:
2. Mostly The Westros RTS game/Video game thingie.
3. Not my call.

[Greyblades]

1. Better then this boring and smashing head against wall topic.:shrug: *bang*bang*bang* What? *bang* I cant hear you *bang* I think I'm nearly through *Bang* I can feel the concrete getting softer *bang* I taste yellow. *Bang*bang*bang*
thud
2. Mostly The Westros RTS game/Video game thingie.
Oh.

3. Not my call.
Oh come on, Robb's a momma's boy and you're his mother, get influencing.

[The Stranger]

that game looks so bad and totally rushed to be out for christmas and to lift on the wings of the succes of the series.

[Greyblades]

Yeah, it doesnt help that there arent any good SOIAF mods for the total war games.

[White_eyes:D]

Oh come on, Robb's a momma's boy and you're his mother, get influencing.
Nobody listens to Cat when they are upset.:shame:

[The Stranger]

Cat is one of the most annoying povcharacters in the books. crazy *****

[The Stranger]

Yeah, it doesnt help that there arent any good SOIAF mods for the total war games.

there is one under construction for mtw2

[Double A]

Cyanide is gonna make a RPG. I read about it in GI, actually sounds pretty decent and like it won't be rushed.


Huh, I had forgotten about her, she didnt seem important enough to bother with, I suppose if she didnt go with Sansa she's still in KL somewhere.
I wonder where Beric dondarrion went, he was supposedly on the way to take Gregor Clegane's head yet I didn't get any messages about it.

He's in space fighting the Klingons with James Bond and Batman.

[johnhughthom]

I'm going to get back to proper GMing tomorrow and I'll reply to anything I haven't already (I notice some QTs have a lot of new posts, if you asked a question I didn't answer drop me a pm or ask it again further up the QT and I'll answer tomorrow.

Just wanted to clarify one thing first, the post in the Game Thread, no 91 by Greyblades, that caused a bit of fuss. I don't have a problem with it, like I've said a few times, not all the information in the game is freely available, and from the results Greyblades received the post was perfectly fine.

[johnhughthom]

I said I would make a rule on declarations, any declarations on war must be made at least 24 hours before the deadline to be allowed.

[Greyblades]

I wonder how Beskar expects to do anything to the greyjoys without losing his blockade.

[Beskar]

Easy, it is part of my plot to invade King's Landing when you think I am at Pyke.

[johnhughthom]

Something unexpected came up last night and I wasn't able to do the gming I'd planned, doing so now.

[johnhughthom]

I think that's all the pms needing replies dealt with, let me know if I missed any. Darn Ironborn plaguing me with pms while I was trying to get through them, can't trust those pirates. :tongue:

[The Stranger]

well you were much nicer when we were drinking scotch and i bribed you by offering 40 virgins to let me win.

[johnhughthom]

Opening post of Game Thread updated with an FAQ.

[The Stranger]

will the phase be postponed more? i prefer not... :P

[johnhughthom]

The round will end on schedule, it is likely I will be unable to complete the results by Monday though, Tuesday is more likely, as I'll be spending the New Year at my sisters and won't have much time to work on the results before Monday evening.

[The Stranger]

ok can we get a prolonged phase that first week of january then? like till the 10th or sumthing?

[The Stranger]

i thought the nights watch didnt partake in the squables of the realm, i think this means they will not sit in a jury like which is proposed in the game thread either?

[White_eyes:D]

Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all nights to come

There is nothing in the oath itself that says they can't act as impartial judges. And war has yet to be declared anyway.:shrug:

[Kagemusha]

What is exactly the trial about. "King" Joffrey is put on trial of murder of Ned Stark? How on earth that would happen?

[Arjos]

First, atm he's not king, and second he personally ordered the murder of the King's Hand...
So basically, what authority permitted him to do so?

[Greyblades]

What is exactly the trial about. "King" Joffrey is put on trial of murder of Ned Stark? How on earth that would happen?


Simple, Sandor clegane and Joffrey are going on trial because they killed Ned. the starks say its murder and we say it was a rightful execution, if we can prove Ned was a traitor Sandor and Joffrey are innocent, if not Sandor will be executed, joffrey goes to the wall
And yes Joffrey will attend, Tywin has enough dread to intimidate him into submitting "of his own voulition", little git deserves at least the chance of retribution.

[Kagemusha]

Well...Ok.If it is accepted by the host, then go for it. Putting once claimant of the throne to trial, while he is son of your daughter.Well,ok.

[Greyblades]

Tywin doesn't expect to lose, also I think it will be a learning experience for the boy.

[Double A]

"There's always Tommen."

[Greyblades]

Yup if I win the starks are satisfyed and I keep clegane, if I lose the starks are elated and I lose joffrey. Win-win.

[Beskar]

I don't think the Stark's would be satisfied.
"Rob, your father was killed because he was leaving King's Landing, escaping for his life and trying to protect his own daughters"

It is pretty easy what is going to happen. Either Tywin has a trap installed or Joffrey will really be going to the Wall, the Hound dead, and even less legitimacy for you.

[Greyblades]

Well, more like "Robb your father was allied to a known traitor and fleeing KL with his daughters in an attempt to link up with said traitor and put a bastard on the throne instead of the legitemate heirs."

Incidentally, thanks for putting Eddards letter in the announcement thread so I can use it as evidence.

[Double A]

Put a bastard on the throne? But I thought Ned hated Joff.

[Greyblades]

I meant Edric storm.

[Beskar]

I meant Edric storm.

How can you link Ned Stark with Edric Storm? :rolleyes:

I mean, trying to link Stannis sure.. but Edric Storm?!

[Greyblades]

I link him to you and I link him to edric storm. Anyway it doesnt matter I dont need to outright prove he's a traitor beyond all doubt, just provide more/better evidence that he was than not and the nights watch judge will rule on my side.

[Double A]

Does no one else wonder how Jon will react?

[Beskar]

Jon Snow as the arbitrator, this I got to see.

Or Uncle Benjen.

[Double A]

I reckon they'll let him do the head chopping.

[Greyblades]

I dont think that would ever happen.

[White_eyes:D]

Jon Snow as the arbitrator, this I got to see.

Wishful thinking...or is it??:evilgrin:













Yeah, there is no way that would happen....I was hoping more for the LC or the Maester at the Wall.:shrug:

[White_eyes:D]

Edit:Internet lag of doom double-posts again.:shame:

[Double A]

Yeah, there is no way that would happen....I was hoping more for the LC or the Maester at the Wall.:shrug:

I don't see why.

[Kival]

Until when do the orders have to be finished?

[johnhughthom]

There's a timer in the Game Thread.

[Kival]

I am blind (or too tired): I cannot find the timer.

EDIT: Found now.

[Captain Blackadder]

You know what I would find funny Joffery getting rather angry at his dear old grandfather and giving him the chop for have the gumption to put him on trial.

[johnhughthom]

It's the Lannister's fault, spamming the thread with their nonsensical rantings. :tongue:

[Greyblades]

:rolleyes: Give it afew turns and then you'll see the extent of my Genius!
*crack-thoom* Muahahahahahah!!!!

[Beskar]

:rolleyes: Give it afew turns and then you'll see the extent of my Genius!
*crack-thoom* Muahahahahahah!!!!

*House Lannister has been defeated: Suicide*

[Greyblades]

*House lannister has been defeated: got so awesome all members ascended to the next plane of existance*

Good lord, its like you lot are taking my persona seriously.

[Double A]

Kage just pointed out to me that on this map (http://gameofthrones.net/images/Westeros_Maps/Map_Westeros_Political.gif), Nightsong belongs to me. I checked a wiki and it confirmed it.

[johnhughthom]

Sigh...

You didn't check your QT though did you? Nightsong is sworn to you. The Dornish Marches do not really belong to any faction, they are more of a buffer between Dorne and the Stormlands, I could quite easily take them away from you and have them as an NPC faction.

As for what colour they should be, they are the Dornish Marches...

[Beskar]

Any issues with the drawn map, blame me. But for any information for what belongs to you, use the Wiki or check your relevant role pm's.

I will however, be creating a new map based on the one you linked, thank you for that, it is far better than the one I based mine off (and could not tell what was actually what)

[Double A]

Oh so it's all Beskar's fault? Sorry john. Naughty Beskie.

[The Stranger]

meet The Stranger :)

http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment/60349-inside-the-complete-guide-to-westeros


also i prefer this map

http://theuniblog.evilspacerobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/westeros_by_other_in_law-d38yn2d.jpg

[johnhughthom]

also i prefer this map

http://theuniblog.evilspacerobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/westeros_by_other_in_law-d38yn2d.jpg

That is awesome!

Okay, this didn't go down well last time (and it is the reason I wanted to start the game in the New Year, I only started earlier due to popular demand so no complaining!) but I think it's best to give am extension this phase. I know I said I wouldn't but... shut up :tongue:. I will be away for New Year most of the weekend and won't get a chance to look at the orders until Monday, so it's pointless sticking to the deadline when it means two days with nothing happening.

No DOWs allowed though, a lot of players may not be online with new year and may miss it.

Timer above reset.

This is as much a schedule change as an extension, the game will run Wednesday to Sunday for orders from now on, more people are free and online over the weekends, so it makes sense to have the diplomacy on during Saturday and Sundays.

[Beskar]

We pretty much finished our orders. So I am going to take a small break and get working on fixing that map with the additions from Double A and The Stranger (thank you to your both).

If you want to talk factionally or with something Urgent, please go ahead. However, don't totally change everything on its head as that would simply being annoying, as I have no intention of working on them over new years. :tongue:

[The Stranger]

by god i cannot stand 2 more days of this! i am getting paranoid

[Beskar]

I have edited the faction map, it should be the same as Double A's version -
https://img577.imageshack.us/img577/5593/mapofwesteros.jpg

(Slight differences due to terrain differences between the maps)

I apologise about any mistakes on the earlier one (and this one if there are any). They were sincere mistakes based on a really bad picture and some improvisation (such as the Dorne marsh going to Dorne) as I had no clue where the yellow line was on the source picture I used in relation to the big one.

[The Stranger]

nice but you didnt use my map :S

also you forgot to make the Shield Islands black... since they are now Greyjoy territory XD

jk

[Greyblades]

Huh, I could have sworn that the kingswood was King's-landing teritory.
edit: Wait, never mind my mistake. This confirms it is in fact inside storm's end's borders: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/File:Westeros-with_borders-30pcnt.png

[Beskar]

Me too, especially as it is called "Kingswood".

Another nice map, thank you Greyblades.

[Double A]

Is that the Night's Watch, or the Green Lanterns?


also i prefer this map

http://theuniblog.evilspacerobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/westeros_by_other_in_law-d38yn2d.jpg

That map is amazing in every conceivable way.


by god i cannot stand 2 more days of this! i am getting paranoid

Would you care for some wine? It's not poison. Promise.

[Kagemusha]

nice but you didnt use my map :S

also you forgot to make the Shield Islands black... since they are now Greyjoy territory XD

jk

Shield Islands are occupied by Greyjoys.They have no rights for them at all.

[The Stranger]

Shield Islands are occupied by Greyjoys.They have no rights for them at all.

yadayada Tyrell's are so *yawn...* *thunk* *zzzzzzzz*

[The Stranger]

That map is amazing in every conceivable way.

ye! and it has a the most castles and such on it as ive seen on a map before.


Some nice artistic impressions

The Twins
http://gameofthrones.net/resources/48-images/618-the-twins-song-of-ice-and-fire.html

More Pyke
http://gameofthrones.net/resources/48-images/614-pyke-iron-islands-song-of-ice-and-fire.html

More Winterfell
http://gameofthrones.net/resources/48-images/583-winterfell-song-of-ice-and-fire.html

More KL
http://gameofthrones.net/resources/48-images/587-kings-landing-red-keep-song-of-ice-and-fire.html

Harrenhall from Lakeside
http://gameofthrones.net/resources/48-images/585-harrenhal-song-of-ice-and-fire.html

Casterly Rock (:O)
http://gameofthrones.net/resources/48-images/586-casterly-rock-song-of-ice-and-fire.html

The Wall
http://gameofthrones.net/resources/48-images/590-the-wall-castle-black-song-of-ice-and-fire.html

Hightower
http://gameofthrones.net/resources/48-images/616-the-hightower-oldtown-song-of-ice-and-fire.html

Dragonstone
http://gameofthrones.net/resources/48-images/615-dragonstone-song-of-ice-and-fire.html

Eyrie
http://gameofthrones.net/resources/48-images/617-the-eyrie-song-of-ice-and-fire.html

[Montmorency]

Casterly Rock (:O)
http://gameofthrones.net/resources/4...-and-fire.html


Monte Carlo?

[Beskar]

Is that the Night's Watch, or the Green Lanterns?

There was no symbol, and I was -this- close to using zombies, but I decided to do "Lantern" instead then the Green Lantern logo came up so I used that.

[Greyblades]

"In brightest day, in blackest night,
No evil shall escape my sight,
Let those who worship evil's might,
Beware my power... Night-Watchman's Might!"

Approriate.

[Beskar]

I like it too, Greyblades.

Now you know how they aim to fight off "the Others"

[Greyblades]

The only order where "dont eat yellow snow" is a life or death affair.

[Double A]

I think their flag and coat of arms are actually completely black.

[The Stranger]

im gone from 2-7 jan.

cya in a bit!

[Kagemusha]

Cya!~:)

[johnhughthom]

im gone from 2-7 jan.

cya in a bit!

I can't promise that your islands will be in the condition you left them when you return. :wink:


I'll be starting sorting through the orders tonight after today's Premier League soccer, I'm hoping to have the results out tomorrow evening, approx 32 hours from now.

[Skooma Addict]

I can't promise that your islands will be in the condition you left them when you return. :wink:
*A wolfish grin slowly creeps across his face*

[Beskar]

Well, if all goes to plan, I shall be having my Coronation upon the Iron Throne. :party:

[Kagemusha]

I guess i will be then the only one not invading the Iron Isles. Figures!:dunce2:

[Beskar]

You two a bunch of rotten teasers, poor The Stranger.

[Greyblades]

Well, if all goes to plan, I shall be having my Coronation upon the Iron Throne. :party:

I'll be sure to make a traitor's crown for you when I stick your head on one of the blades.
:grin:

[Kagemusha]

I'll be sure to make a traitor's crown for you when I stick your head on one of the blades.
:grin:

I guess then by the end of the turn i will have the head of Stannis and you surrounded at King´s Landing.

[Greyblades]

I guess then by the end of the turn i will have the head of Stannis and you surrounded at King´s Landing.
...Wait, what?

[Montmorency]

I think you are all indulging in empty posturing, I hope. Also, the taller the mountain, the slower it crumbles.

[Greyblades]

Yeah, but since when has Highgarden been fighting Stannis?

[Arjos]

Yeah, but since when has Highgarden been fighting Stannis?

Gah XD
He replied to your statement of having crowned the sewered head on the Iron Throne...

[Montmorency]

the taller the mountain, the slower it crumbles.

i.e. ever since you were effectively neutralized as a threat. :smug:

[Greyblades]

Oh, good to know.

[Double A]

Gah XD
He replied to your statement of having crowned the sewered head on the Iron Throne...

A sewered head? What a stinking liar.

Besides, bashed is all the rage these days. With a rainbow hat and a pink monocle... yes...

[Arjos]

With a rainbow hat and a pink monocle... yes...

That hat makes you too informal, but the monocle is so reassuring :D

[Double A]

Rainbow top hat.

[Greyblades]

So... How long?

[Beskar]

John said late tonight, I believe.

[johnhughthom]

So... How long?

:sweatdrop:

I've had a bit of a problem sorting through the orders. for starters I had conflicted orders from at least one faction that were difficult to figure out (naming no names), secondly I had a ridiculous amount of pms relating to the game, a few had titles that made it obvious what they were, I appreciate those who did that (you know who you are), but others had random titles, and some even had titles relating to other conversations I had with players... I had to go through all my game related pms and delete those that weren't order related to make it manageable, but I think I deleted order pms mistakenly.

Okay, it's not the end of the world, but I'm going to have to have the orders redone, and from now on I'm going to need a particular format. Faction orders should be made in the QT, there is no need to pm them, if you think you have a traitor you'll need to drum them out and we'll make a new QT. Faction orders should be titled as such: Faction orders for turn X, Final. It is okay to edit them up to the end of the phase, just make a post at the top of the thread which post number it is. Order pms for individuals should be titled as such: Westeros Phase X: Individual orders for CHAR NAME.

This is my fault as I had the same issues last time, but managed to muddle through. It took a lot more time than it should have, and I should have realised it would be worse this time and been more precise with the orders instructions, you live and learn.

QT orders are generally fine, there is no need to change any of those, the conflicts came when I had faction orders sent by pm and in QT. If you are happy with what you have they'll be fine, if you sent orders by pm, you'll need them added to the QT. I'll need all the individual orders resent unfortunately (you should be able to hit Sent Items and forward it from there, with a nice, new title), even those that were titled relevantly. Yes, in a fit of sore headed pique I deleted all the pms left in my inbox, I'm such a big child.

I hope this won't take too long, I'll get the game moving again as quickly as possible.


edit: Like I said, this is my fault for trying to make it simpler for you guys and not realising how awkward I'd make it for myself. If this sounds like I'm having a go at you or your faction, believe me, I'm not. Hopefully once we get this phase over it will begin to run more smoothly when we (I) get in to a routine and pattern. I did say we would be better starting in the New Year.... :wink:

[Arjos]

I did say we would be better starting in the New Year.... :wink:

It was good to have two weeks of trial to get everything set :P
No problem, you are taking on a juggernaut of a game and I'm sure we all appreciate that ^^

For the PMs, you deleted them all, for example do we have to re-send old "noted" ones (related to this phase) and like messages to NPCs? Or it was every single PM?

[Greyblades]

Do you want me to gather all the lannister orders together into one PM?

[johnhughthom]

For the PMs, you deleted them all, for example do we have to re-send old "noted" ones (related to this phase) and like messages to NPCs? Or it was every single PM?

Do you want me to gather all the lannister orders together into one PM?

Only actual orders need to be resent, and only those for individual characters, all faction orders must be in the QT.

There's a lot going on and I want to make sure I get everything right.

[Beskar]

Gah, you should have punished them severely. :smash:

[johnhughthom]

Gah, you should have punished them severely. :smash:

I have, the Dothraki have suddenly decided that the poison water is a very nice way to travel, and are currently seeking passage westward. :wink:

edit: I'll give it 24 hours and then I'll start poking people.

[Beskar]

Do it faster than 24 though, apparently only the people who messed up their orders are the only ones we are all waiting on! :smash: Yes, I hold -you- responsible! (whoever you are)

[Greyblades]

What do I do if you deleted the PM's of a PC who isnt here?

[Beskar]

IE: Greyblades has a traitor in another faction working for him!

[Greyblades]

Uh huh, yeah sure, say hi to cressen for me.

[Beskar]

Say Hi to Jamie for me.

[Greyblades]

Now come on, you can do better than that, cressen's likely to turn on you if we say melissandre's controlling you and if we kill her "you'll go back to normal". Jamie's just... Huh.

[Secura]

if we say melissandre's controlling you and if we kill her "you'll go back to normal".

I think the response I'm looking for here is "come at me, bro". :laugh4:

[Kagemusha]

So what kind of extension time are we looking at with the messed up orders?

[johnhughthom]

I've got nearly everything back, should be later this evening. I'll try not to make it too late so little old Mace isn't sitting up all night. :wink:

[Kagemusha]

I've got nearly everything back, should be later this evening. I'll try not to make it too late so little old Mace isn't sitting up all night. :wink:

Consideration towards Tyrrel´s!!? I smell some evil plot in such behavior!:stunned:

[Greyblades]

Look toward the ocean road
See the golden lion's abode
For the wrath you might have sowed
May thunder down that ocean road.

[johnhughthom]

Okay, starting going through orders again now. Going to regret this, but Newcastle V Man Utd is on in four hours (as a Sunderland fan and ABU, can't both teams lose?) and I'm hoping to have everything done by then. Hoping.

[Beskar]

I am glad the offenders have fixed the orders!

It was Greyblades, wasn't it! *threatens with :smash: teasefully*

[Greyblades]

Eh, with the extra 2 days I came up with a bunch of extra orders, (dont let joffrey get her hands on Arya if we find her, etc) But they didn't all come at once so I ended up sending a bunch of addition PM's to JHT. Sorry John but I wanted to avoid the cluster**** that happened last turn.

[johnhughthom]

I am glad the offenders have fixed the orders!

It was Greyblades, wasn't it! *threatens with :smash: teasefully*

Like I said, I was the offender, Naughty Beskie. Is teasefully even a word, what kind of moderators are they hiring in the Backroom?


(dont let joffrey get her hands on Arya if we find her, etc

Pfft, more like don't let Arya get her hands on Joffrey. :tongue:

[Greyblades]

Uh... Yeah, I just "forgot" to make orders that avoid joffrey dying. Right.

[Kagemusha]

Look toward the ocean road
See the golden lion's abode
For the wrath you might have sowed
May thunder down that ocean road.

Who needs enemies with neighbor´s like this?~:( I humbly apologize, if the clouds of smoke from the torched coastal villages of mine abstract the scenery. If it is the noises that are disturbing you? Please file a complaint to the Ironborn that raiding should be limited to office hours.:shrug:

[johnhughthom]

Before I get plagued with questions, those of you who managed to hatch a dragon egg this turn: It will be at least 6 turns before it can be used in battle, they will be of varying strength, and you will need somebody with Targaryen blood to ride it.

[Greyblades]

Who needs enemies with neighbor´s like this? I humbly apologize, if the clouds of smoke from the torched coastal villages of mine abstract the scenery. If it is the noises that are disturbing you? Please file a complaint to the Ironborn that raiding should be limited to office hours.
Relax, I'm messing with you.


Before I get plagued with questions, those of you who managed to hatch a dragon egg this turn: It will be at least 6 turns before it can be used in battle, they will be of varying strength, and you will need somebody with Targaryen blood to ride it.
What.
STANNIS!

[Arjos]

lol and who was so kind to set himself on fire? XD

[Kagemusha]

Before I get plagued with questions, those of you who managed to hatch a dragon egg this turn: It will be at least 6 turns before it can be used in battle, they will be of varying strength, and you will need somebody with Targaryen blood to ride it.

There goes the neighborhood !

[Greyblades]

Oh god it was Edric Storm wasn't it... Unless it was the Dornish preparing for aegon's return.

[Greyblades]

Wait... Isnt edric storm in Storm's end?... Who was sacrificed?... Is there a Danerys player we dont know about?

[Arjos]

The real point to me is: isn't this prohibited knowledge? And most of all since it is, who is going to get killed by his own dragon? ^^

[Greyblades]

It doesnt matter, if its in westeros I'm going to squash it before it gets bigger than a lizard.

[johnhughthom]

The real point to me is: isn't this prohibited knowledge? And most of all since it is, who is going to get killed by his own dragon? ^^

There's the reason you should all have realised I was winding you up. Silly people. :tongue:

[Greyblades]

There's the reason you should all have realised I was winding you up. Silly people. :tongue:

... Dang it man you know I cant take a joke! Grr...

[Kagemusha]

I have always wondered how do you tell apart a boy dragon from girl dragon? Also do they breast feed?:smug:

[Arjos]

There's the reason you should all have realised I was winding you up. Silly people. :tongue:

But the idea of someone doing that and getting burnt alive, is much more appealing to me :D

[Greyblades]

I have always wondered how do you tell apart a boy dragon from girl dragon? Also do they breast feed?:smug:

Razor sharp teeth + soft human skin = ouch.

[Arjos]

I have edited the faction map, it should be the same as Double A's version -
https://img577.imageshack.us/img577/5593/mapofwesteros.jpg

Just saw this, nice work, but the Night's Watch is all about being bannerless in a way :)

[Montmorency]

Before I get plagued with questions, those of you who managed to hatch a dragon egg this turn: It will be at least 6 turns before it can be used in battle, they will be of varying strength, and you will need somebody with Targaryen blood to ride it.

It must be Stannis! I suppose he is living up to his epithet:

Dragonborne.

YEAAAA-

[johnhughthom]

Okay, slight issue. Some people appear to believe a man and a horse take up the same space on board a ship as one man. A cavalry unit takes 3 spaces of the comfortable capacity, which I think is more than generous.

[Kagemusha]

Isnt this just a plain mistake, which should be handled accordingly?

[johnhughthom]

Isnt this just a plain mistake, which should be handled accordingly?

Yes, and it will be, this is just a warning.

Also, spies. They cannot really be ordered about when sent into enemy territory, they can be given specific tasks when sent out, but will grow independently from there, if I seem to ignore specific directives on spies this is the reason why. Counter spying can, of course, be directed as you see fit.

[Beskar]

Just saw this, nice work, but the Night's Watch is all about being bannerless in a way :)

Will be changed in the next update. When wars start breaking out next time, it will be changed to "Zones of Control"

[johnhughthom]

Final whine, some things were not in the Final orders thread for most factions, it is okay to edit your orders post right up to the deadline (and after if there's an extension). A few of the amendments meant I had to search through extensive orders and edit the relevant piece. It's fine for this phase, but for next phase only orders in the orders post and private individual order pms will be accepted. I'm going to have to be strict on this in future for my own sanity.

[Greyblades]

Yes, and it will be, this is just a warning.

Also, spies. They cannot really be ordered about when sent into enemy territory, they can be given specific tasks when sent out, but will grow independently from there, if I seem to ignore specific directives on spies this is the reason why. Counter spying can, of course, be directed as you see fit.

Looks like Kings landing will need airing out next turn.

[johnhughthom]

Looks like Kings landing will need airing out next turn.

You wouldn't have any subjects left.

edit: I've had to clarify a few things with players (I normally wouldn't, but these were genuine misunderstandings of things I had said) so I'm a bit behind where I hoped to be. I should be able to start sending out results in around 90 minutes though.

[Greyblades]

Is there anyone in KL that is actually working for me?

[Kival]

Is there anyone in KL that is actually working for me?

You do realize that KL is *not* the seat of your house, it's just controlled territory because of claiming to be king?

[Greyblades]

So? Kings landing is the main seat of the king, guess who's house the king is?

[johnhughthom]

So? Kings landing is the main seat of the king, guess who's house the king is?

Nobody's yet. :wink:

[Ishmael]

So? Kings landing is the main seat of the king, guess who's house the king is?

You are planning on crowning Joffrey Baratheon, right?

[johnhughthom]

I know I'm becoming pedantic in my old age, but can I point out that the port near Casterly Rock is called Lannisport. Anybody sent to Lannisterport next turn will spend a month wandering Westeros, wondering where this mysterious place is.

[Greyblades]

You are planning on crowning Joffrey Baratheon, right?
OOC: Hah.
IC: Just because he's half baratheon doesn't mean he isnt also half lannister.


I know I'm becoming pedantic in my old age, but can I point out that the port near Casterly Rock is called Lannisport. Anybody sent to Lannisterport next turn will spend a month wandering Westeros, wondering where this mysterious place is.

Thanks for the warning, Muahahaha etc.

[Arjos]

will spend a month wandering Westeros, wondering where this mysterious place is.

Ahahahahahahahahahah XD

[Beskar]

Haha damn, I should have been more careful in typing where I was attacking this turn...

[Kagemusha]

I know I'm becoming pedantic in my old age, but can I point out that the port near Casterly Rock is called Lannisport. Anybody sent to Lannisterport next turn will spend a month wandering Westeros, wondering where this mysterious place is.

Oh you dont know of it? Lannisterport is a fishing village 6 leeks away from Lannisport. When House Lannister took control of Casterly Rock. LannisterPort was to be made of the center of Naval trade and main harbor of Lannisters. Unfortunately as cheap scrooge´s the Lannisters are,Lannisport was chosen over Lannisterport as it has less Characters.So ink was saved in huge amounts.

[johnhughthom]

How annoyed would you all be if I decided there was a big storm this month, and all the ships had to stay in port?

[Ishmael]

Oh you dont know of it? Lannisterport is a fishing village 6 leeks away from Lannisport.

6 leeks away? Must be pretty crowded up Lannisport/LannisterPort way. :yes:




How annoyed would you all be if I decided there was a big storm this month, and all the ships had to stay in port?

We might decide to enact some Mafia-style justice....

[Kagemusha]

How annoyed would you all be if I decided there was a big storm this month, and all the ships had to stay in port?

Well i think my coastal peasants would be quite happy to take a month´s vacation off from being raped,looted and pillaged.



6 leeks away? Must be pretty crowded up Lannisport/LannisterPort way. :yes:

Long roads between places are waste of money and did i ever mention how long leek´s grow in West Land´s?:smug:

[Diamondeye]

Wait... Isnt edric storm in Storm's end?... Who was sacrificed?... Is there a Danerys player we dont know about?

There isn't. I offered to be the Dragon Queen before deciding to join the Tyrrells, and John made it pretty clear that he's the only princess we'll have :tongue:

[Greyblades]

:laugh4: Wow, I wouldn't be surprised if theres going to be a huge storm over oldtown for that.

[Kagemusha]

:laugh4: Wow, I wouldn't be surprised if theres going to be a huge storm over oldtown for that.

Over the length of leek´s? No. i think i just have to hire for the family a new maester, with more in depth knowledge of leek´s. Would you care to lend me some for such noble cause?

[Greyblades]

Ask stannis, I believe he has had alot of experience with root vegetables.

[johnhughthom]

Update. Still working through the orders, there is one particular area which is very complex, and I don't want to miss anything, so I'm triple checking it.

Oh, yes. It would help me get through more quickly if specific numbers were used at all times, things like, the remaining xxxx, everybody else and the like make going through the orders twice as difficult.

[Jarema]

Look toward the ocean road
See the golden lion's abode
For the wrath you might have sowed
May thunder down that ocean road.

it is good then, that


We
DO NOT SOW

[Double A]

Before I get plagued with questions, those of you who managed to hatch a dragon egg this turn: It will be at least 6 turns before it can be used in battle, they will be of varying strength, and you will need somebody with Targaryen blood to ride it.

6 turns? Gah! I was hoping it was only 3! This completely ruins my plans!


Wait... Isnt edric storm in Storm's end?... Who was sacrificed?... Is there a Danerys player we dont know about?

Someone was sacrificed?

[Greyblades]

Someone was sacrificed?

I dont know! I just down know!!! *breaks down sobbing*

[johnhughthom]

Okay, the complex situation has been resolved. The Battle of Whispering Sound has been won. Hopefully I'll be able to get through the rest much more quickly.

[Montmorency]

:daisy:

Who ever thought that better men matched against the lesser could be put to the worst in trial of war and strong clash of fight? It is not to be endured.

Where was this again?

[Kival]

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Whispering_Sound

[Greyblades]

:daisy:

Who ever thought that better men matched against the lesser could be put to the worst in trial of war and strong clash of fight? It is not to be endured.

What are you talking about?

[Montmorency]

Oh, thats Tyrell business. :sleepy:

[Ishmael]

I'm somewhat worried by the fact that JHT did not specify who won, although we certainly did our best to make things complex for him.

[johnhughthom]

I'm somewhat worried by the fact that JHT did not specify who won, although we certainly did our best to make things complex for him.

You are not alone in that...

The fact that it didn't really happen according to anyone's plan didn't make it any easier... I don't think anybody will be totally happy with the outcome...

[Montmorency]

I don't think anybody will be totally happy with the outcome..

:mellow:

[Ishmael]

The fact that it didn't really happen according to anyone's plan didn't make it any easier...

Does this (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GambitPileup) apply?

[Greyblades]

In afew turns I expect that gambit pileups will be all that happens.

[johnhughthom]

Okay! Only five hours late I'm finally ready to start sending out results. Please don't discuss the game outside your faction until the Game Thread is updated. Thanks for your (im)patience guys!

[Ishmael]

Thanks johnhughthom! (although I may not thank you when I actually see the results....)

[scottishranger]

Would Say im nervous but Victarion Greyjoy is confident in his Iron Fleet.

[Double A]

You are not alone in that...

The fact that it didn't really happen according to anyone's plan didn't make it any easier... I don't think anybody will be totally happy with the outcome...

If the Greyjoys lost, I certainly will.

[Ishmael]

Would Say im nervous but Victarion Greyjoy is confident in his Iron Fleet.

Ah, Victarion. We will be happy to have you as our...guest...in Hightower.

[Montmorency]

Why is Renly attacking the Greyjoys in Tyrell waters?

Something is off... :inquisitive:

[White_eyes:D]

Isn't that what you do in a marriage pact/alliance?:shrug:

[Beskar]

*Grinds teeth majorly*

[Greyblades]

Seems someone got thier results this turn. Whats up stanny?

[Beskar]

Well, now I know who definitely did it.

[Greyblades]

Really? Heh I guess I have some reading to look forward to.

Incidentally who else did you expect to try and screw you over?

[Ishmael]

Well, now I know who definitely did it.

Inquiries are underway.

[Beskar]

Incidentally who else did you expect to try and screw you over?

You were number one suspect by a mile. You will be very pleased with your results.

[Greyblades]

Hmm... I wonder which scheme I set in motion got you most annoyed.

[Beskar]

Hmm... I wonder which scheme I set in motion got you most annoyed.

That sounds like a lot.

[Greyblades]

Uh... I saw your post before it was edited and I'm lost...

[Ishmael]

You shall see, Lannister scum.

EDIT: I would like to point out that that was in-character. I bear you no personal ill, Greyblades.