Westeros: A Game of Thrones. [Archive]

johnhughthom

07-23-2011, 23:31

https://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp139/johnhughthom/Westeros/game-of-thrones-logo.jpg

Robert Baratheon is dead. His son Joffrey is too young to rule, his Hand, Ned Stark, is Baratheon's choice of regent, a choice sure to offend his widow and her family. George RR Martin has told his story of the aftermath, perhaps a different story could be told?

Westeros: A Game of Thrones is a game similar to my previous Crusader Kings (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136003-Crusader-Kings-In-play). There will be some differences (not least the fact I will upload a back up of the game files to FileFront or somewhere similar to prevent a similar finish), mainly the setting but also the fact that players will not take the role of a single character, but a House within the gameworld. Each House will have a number of characters with differing skills and personal goals. Each house can have more than one player, but there will be no "leader" so they will have to come to an agreement on orders.

Example:

https://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp139/johnhughthom/220px-Mord.jpg
That dirty Lannister owes me gold!

This is very much a work in progress and it could be a while before it's ready. There a number of question I haven't quite decided on, like how to show House Baratheon, Joffrey, Stannis and Renly could hardly be part of one faction!

The gameplay would be very like Crusader Kings, experimentation and creative thinking very much encouraged.

Ideas on how gameplay could be improved upon from Crusader Kings, or just general feedback on the idea are welcome.

White_eyes:D

07-24-2011, 01:08

I am going to guess you played the Westeros mod for CK?

I managed to become the King of the five Kingdoms...The Riverlands, Stormlands, Dorne, The Vale, and The Iron throne. I couldn't get the Kingdom of the west because it always is ruled by a competent Lannister for some reason...and the North was just too far away from me and I just decided to give the Starks a break(also because I just marry my rulers daughters off to there family).:shrug:

Only time I almost lost was when I was fighting The Riverlands and The Vale declared war to try and double-team me. I was a little surprised that the King in the North never declared war once, even to help the stormlands out. I even made an alliance with the Lannisters and I didn't even really need it.:2thumbsup:

Why not just use the map in CK? or is it to bad looking?

johnhughthom

07-24-2011, 01:24

I haven't gotten around to playing the CK mod yet, I'd heard it was pretty buggy. I found quite a few maps online, the one I posted seemed the clearest with all the important landmarks.

I've been thinking about factions, these seem to be the best set up.

Lannisters
Starks
Greyjoys
Dragonstone (Stannis)
Martell
Storms End (Renly)
Highgarden

Non player factions

King Joffrey
Small council
Arryns
Night's Watch

Other houses will have minor roles as part of the playable factions, such as the Boltons, Frey, Cleganes etc. They may not like how they are used however and can change sides.

White_eyes:D

07-24-2011, 01:47

Yeah, it's buggy...but I fiddle around with it myself, as long as CTDs remain at a minimum. What I hate about it is that, you can have wars for a VERY LONG time...it took me 4 years to successfully siege Kings landing and Storms end. I had to fight off endless forces from the Baratheons...by the time I was done, I gladly reenacted the "Red wedding" on them.(the hair that broke the camels back):grin2:

It also gives you "Realm duress" for the rest of your rulers life if you even have it once....I had to rewrite an event to cancel it if your not at war. Seemed pretty stable so far...but I find all paradox games buggy.:shrug:

I am not sure how everything would work without a map though.

johnhughthom

07-24-2011, 02:00

I am not sure how everything would work without a map though.

It's just a forum based game, based on a forum based game based on Crusader Kings. Pretty simple really. :wink:

Beskar

07-24-2011, 02:10

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07-24-2011, 02:27

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johnhughthom

07-24-2011, 02:56

Would Storms End really work as it is effectively the High Garden faction?

I was going to put Renly in with Highgarden, then changed my mind. I'm still in two minds about it as I'd like players to have as many options as possible at the start.

Removing Storms End as a faction and replacing it with Dorne might be an idea, in an attempt to keep the factions more inline with the main kingdoms.

Martell = Dorne.

What about major landmarks such as King's Landing (the council/etc) and Harrenhal ?

Those locations are on the map and the small council (Varys, Littlefinger and Pycelle) are a non player faction advising the non player King.

Though do you want a Jaime player, or Littlefinger player or Varys ? It all depends on how complicated you want it and how many would be interested.

Players won't be, say Jaime or Tyrion in particular, each player (or team) will give orders for their House, which will include orders for individuals, armies etc. Characters will have traits, so if you try to order Jaime to hold a certain place on the map, don't be surprised if he says "bugger that!" and goes off and attacks somewhere else. Or if you order Tyrion to go to a certain city and perform an action he may get distracted by the brothels...

Use the various Kingdom's as references. In a way, probably think of it like Mount and Blade. You need to have a ruler with sufficient claimant to the throne or a throne, so Robb Stark has claims for King of the North. Joffery for King of the Seven (along with Stannis), Theon for pure example for King of the Iron Isles.

Then you have the various 'dukedoms'/powerful houses who may not claim a Kingship but they can rally to the cause for one of the various lords in exchange for certain things, or none at all and attempt to stay neutral.

Yes, I would hope the early game would be a diplomatic scramble for support. Though there are certain factors players would know of that shouldn't really be common knowledge, mainly Joffrey's parentage.

I think the Free Cities should be NPC controlled though.

I think it would be best to limit the game to Westeros to keep it simple.

Beskar

07-24-2011, 04:23

(I realised the Dorne comment and came to correct it and a couple of other comments but you beat me to it!)

Also, on the third book now.

Double A

07-26-2011, 17:21

I LOVE YOU

TheLastDays

07-26-2011, 17:27

I liked Crusader Kings so I guess I'll play, I don't know anything about Game of Thrones though, which could be a problem

johnhughthom

07-26-2011, 17:49

Any ideas on how Crusader Kings could have been improved on for this guys?

I liked Crusader Kings so I guess I'll play, I don't know anything about Game of Thrones though, which could be a problem

So long as we get enough people you should be in a team and others could fill you in on the background. You should at least watch the first episode of the tv series, not even for the game it'll help fill that empty part of your life you didn't know existed until then. :smile:

Kagemusha

07-26-2011, 17:55

This sounds very interesting.

Diamondeye

07-26-2011, 17:55

YESGASM

TheLastDays

07-26-2011, 18:00

Any ideas on how Crusader Kings could have been improved on for this guys?

Well I thought that the position of the Bishop was a bit loosely defined. IMO characters like that would have to have pretty strict parameters to operate in and clearly set goals so they can't jut go ahead and ally themselves to one of the forces and forget about the others. They have to be forced to try to "keep the balance". But as it looks you're planning to make characters like that unplayable anyway...

Diamondeye

07-26-2011, 18:00

I liked Crusader Kings so I guess I'll play, I don't know anything about Game of Thrones though, which could be a problem

I'm going to be frank and suggest that you either read the books (at least the first one) or seriously consider not playing. Even if this is an alternate storyline, some things are sure to surface that might ruin your experience of the book(s).

I'm reading Dance currently, the fifth and last to be published so far (Winds of Winter is to come later, I believe).

johnhughthom

07-26-2011, 18:01

Well I thought that the position of the Bishop was a bit loosely defined. IMO characters like that would have to have pretty strict parameters to operate in and clearly set goals so they can't jut go ahead and ally themselves to one of the forces and forget about the others. They have to be forced to try to "keep the balance". But as it looks you're planning to make characters like that unplayable anyway...

Yes, I learned that characters I wanted to keep a certain balance in the game would be best as NPCs.

I was looking at this as a list of skills to determine outcome of actions:

Leadership
Honour
Bravery
Intrigue
Dread

Beskar

07-26-2011, 23:13

The Westeros CK mod has a nice map and some very fitting traits, though the scenario start dates does not have the period you are wanting.

There are also the different religions (3) and the different cultures (4) which might need to be taken in consideration too.

Shame you haven't put the Dragon as a playable faction, that is one I would be likely to consider choosing if I had a choice!

johnhughthom

07-26-2011, 23:23

The Westeros CK mod has a nice map and some very fitting traits, though the scenario start dates does not have the period you are wanting.

I think I'll give it a whirl, see if it gives me some inspiration.

There are also the different religions (3) and the different cultures (4) which might need to be taken in consideration too.

Ahh, good point, shouldn't it be 4 religions though, or does the mod lump Melisandre's God in with The Seven?

Shame you haven't put the Dragon as a playable faction, that is one I would be likely to consider choosing if I had a choice!

There wouldn't really be much interaction with the other houses at the early stage of the game, I haven't ruled out trying to fit them in, every idea I've had for them has added a lot of work host wise.

Diamondeye

07-27-2011, 20:20

I had the impression that the three Faiths were The Red Priests, The Seven, and the Old Gods. Which fourth were you thinking of?

johnhughthom

07-27-2011, 20:22

The Drowned God from the Iron Isles. Or is he part of the old gods?

Diamondeye

07-27-2011, 21:16

The Drowned God from the Iron Isles. Or is he part of the old gods?

Right, that makes it four. But they're barbarians.

Beskar

07-27-2011, 23:11

Yes, the Drowned God, I forgot to mention them in the number.

The others obviously being R'hllor, The Seven and the Old Gods.

As for cultures, there are the Wildings/Free men, Andal, First Man, Valyrian, Ironborn, Crannogman, Dornish, Lysene, Dothraki, Myrman, Tyroshi, Braavosi, Pentoshi, Westerman, Westrosi and Clansman.

Double A

07-28-2011, 23:28

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=470051
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=721

johnhughthom

07-28-2011, 23:33

Oh, an M2TW mod. Didn't even know that existed, thanks for the link, think I'll give that a whirl.

Gurkhal

07-29-2011, 10:46

This looks very interesting and I hope it turns out as great as it sounds. :) I'll keep my eye on this and hopefully be able to join once its gets ready. In regards to Crusader Kings I did not take part in that and so can't say anything, although I think it would be cool if the players actually played specific characters from the books which could make it easier with personal goals for the players. Considering how many characters there are the game should be able to support almost infinate numer of players. Heck, just the Lannisters have like nine characters that could work for players, and that's not counting their lords bannermen. Still I understand your choice and I do not doubt it will turn out great. Best of luck and all success in the world!

johnhughthom

07-29-2011, 19:21

Thanks Gurkhal, I'll drop you a pm when the game is nearly ready to go. As for playing specific character, I don't want inactivity to spoil the game, and having certain people go AWOL or drop out would have a serious impact on the game. If they had team mates their disappearance would be easier to manage. I see your point though, it would be more immersive to be a single character, I haven't decided 100% on any aspect of the game at the minute, so it could change in the future, with enough people participating. If I'm honest though, I don't see the game getting enough players to make the change.

Gurkhal

07-30-2011, 20:34

Thanks, I appreciate that. I'll look forward to get to action in Westeros. :)

Double A

08-01-2011, 05:23

Why has this not filled up 3 times over?

johnhughthom

08-03-2011, 20:24

What sort of in-game timescale per turn do you guys think would work. I'm thinking of each turn being a week, Monday - Friday for discussion and sending orders and Saturday and Sunday for write ups and results. The write ups would be a narrative, obviously I wouldn't be able to post everything in thread but there would be a public general write up of what happened each round, while the private results would be a narrative from the perspective of one of the House members, changing each phase. As for in game time frame each turn I'm unsure, a week, a month?

Double A

08-04-2011, 09:39

Real time!

Diamondeye

08-06-2011, 11:56

Real time!

1 Week = 1 Week. This will be awesome.

Zack

08-09-2011, 01:37

Why has this not filled up 3 times over?
I might join if I knew more about what exactly this game is. Like an NES?

1 week turns are very, very appealing, though.

Centurion1

08-09-2011, 01:42

that would work.

i would say a moth in game for a week in rl.

I will play wherever possible if spots are still open. I'm sorry about my inactivity with CK I had a lot going on at the time.

johnhughthom

08-09-2011, 17:55

I'm not sure what NES games are Zack, they're at CFC right? I had a look but couldn't find them, have a quick skim through the Crusader Kings game linked in the op, this will be very similar.

Diamondeye

08-09-2011, 22:00

Never Ending Stories (http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=69).

johnhughthom

08-09-2011, 22:07

Never Ending Stories (http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=69).

Looks like it will be very similar.

Zack

08-09-2011, 22:40

Hesitant in.

Kagemusha

08-15-2011, 15:52

1 turn =one month in game sounds like a very good setting. A week in real time for diplomacy and orders sounds good.

slashandburn

08-15-2011, 21:33

I've only read game of thrones and never played crusader kings, is that alright?

johnhughthom

08-15-2011, 22:26

1 turn =one month in game sounds like a very good setting. A week in real time for diplomacy and orders sounds good.

I'll probably do a poll a few weeks before the game starts and let the players choose. I'm still in the very early stages of design, and I'd like to read the series again to make sure I don't make too many silly mistakes. It's still a few months away at least.

I've only read game of thrones and never played crusader kings, is that alright?

I wouldn't care if you had never read any of the books and hadn't heard of Crusader Kings, you're my old FBI partner so you're welcome in any game I host. :yes:

Double A

08-16-2011, 06:12

I had fun in jht's last CK game, and I hadn't even heard of it before that.

slashandburn

08-16-2011, 22:08

cool, i'd like to join when this starts up and i'd prefer to be the Starks

dcmort93

08-24-2011, 13:38

I'm in when it starts

johnhughthom

09-06-2011, 16:48

Just a quick update to let those interested know this is still alive, I've been working on it slowly, but surely. It'll probably start a week or so after the end of Capo (assuming my R&RHoF game is done by then). I'm halfway through Clash of Kings in my pre-game series re-read, and picked up a few details I'd forgotten about.

Double A

09-09-2011, 23:40

You should say them in public to remind me of them.

johnhughthom

09-09-2011, 23:41

You should say them in public to remind me of them.

Read it yourself!

Double A

09-13-2011, 12:12

I already read it twice and I'm too busy reading The Art of War to change that.

Diamondeye

09-13-2011, 15:59

I already read it twice and I'm too busy reading The Art of War to change that.

You can read The Art in an hour... :wink:

Double A

09-13-2011, 23:15

Too many fun video games and forums to be reading books in spare time right now. I only read during school when I don't have anything else to do.

scottishranger

09-15-2011, 00:45

Im in if this starts. Absolutely adore the books im halfway through A Feast For Crows right now

The Stranger

09-20-2011, 19:06

ye pm me when it starts.

Jarema

09-22-2011, 16:27

I want to be in; I love the setting (now going through A Feast For Crows, should get to an end of saga in a week or two)

Skooma Addict

10-12-2011, 03:59

In when this starts.

Ishmael

10-12-2011, 21:28

I must say, I'm quite liking the look of this. In. I've just started 'A Feast for Crows,' in case anybody was remotely curious.

johnhughthom

10-12-2011, 21:50

I'm thinking that when Capo is finished (not for a few weeks yet it looks) I'll put up a poll for turn length and ask everybody to pm me with 3 choices for faction in order of preference, with the unfathomable fetish for Starks that so many readers/watchers seem to have I assume they will be oversubscribed, and with their awesomeness the Lannisters probably will be also. It'll probably come down to random.org.

I was pondering the public write up being a raven delivering a letter the the Night's Watch bringing it up to date on the latest goings on in the Kingdom, while also telling the story of life on the wall (which will not vary overly from canon without player interference). Each factions write up per phase will be from the point of view of one of their characters, probably also involving ravens.

Ishmael

10-12-2011, 22:14

That sounds good - I like the idea of the ravens. As to the factions, the Starks and Lannisters are too prominent for my liking - if we can be part of a minor 'faction' I would love to be Walder Frey (having read Storm of Swords I like his style!), but in regards to major factions Dorne and Storm's End look nice.

LazyMcCrow

10-13-2011, 15:01

johnhughthom

10-13-2011, 15:13

jht: I would love to play this, but I've not even finished the first book yet, and not going to even look at the TV show til I've read the lot, so I may not be able to allow myself. Please put me down as a tentative in and I'll drop out before it starts, if I've not done the reading :)

It'll be good few weeks before it starts, and hopefully I'll get enough player to have a few in every faction so there should be somebody to help you along. Knowledge of the books/series isn't actually required, all the information you need to play will be available to you. Knowing the lore will just make it more fun.

Jarema

10-13-2011, 19:05

LazyMcCrow

10-13-2011, 21:13

It'll be good few weeks before it starts, and hopefully I'll get enough player to have a few in every faction so there should be somebody to help you along. Knowledge of the books/series isn't actually required, all the information you need to play will be available to you. Knowing the lore will just make it more fun.

I'd like to know more about it though. For instance, it might be interesting to have a more 'flexible' body of payers taking on the roles of sellswords and hedge knights

johnhughthom

10-14-2011, 15:13

Updated example faction role pm for turn one:

https://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp139/johnhughthom/Daenerys-Targaryen-game-of-thrones-17904234-500-281.jpg
I'm not in the game, silly.

Still a WIP, but it shouldn't change much. Character traits come into effect when attempting an action, only the main character can carry out an action, but a vassal can be ordered to carry the actual mission out. For example if Cersei was to order Sandor Clegane to attack a target, her stats would be used with Sandor's bonus applied. Minor characters cannot be used for actions, but their bonuses apply constantly. NPC characters can be given orders, but the results will be out of the player's hands.

Double A

10-19-2011, 00:57

I'm as hyped as Pinkie Pie.

johnhughthom

10-19-2011, 13:00

So, I've come to a slight roadblock in my plans. Melisandre. How to have her in game without her being overpowered, or totally nerfed. I have a few ideas, which I'm not going to post as I don't want her abilities public, just looking for some other thoughts to consider before I decide.

Arjos

10-19-2011, 15:50

Is it possible to join if you hadn't read the books? (I'm not much of a fiction reader :S)

johnhughthom

10-19-2011, 15:56

Is it possible to join if you hadn't read the books? (I'm not much of a fiction reader :S)

Yes, all the information you need will be given to you.

Ishmael

10-19-2011, 20:38

Just curious, exactly when will this be set. Specifically, will it be

before or after Ned is imprisoned/killed?

johnhughthom

10-19-2011, 21:46

Just curious, exactly when will this be set. Specifically, will it be

before or after Ned is imprisoned/killed?

That's my other dilemma, I'm open to opinions.

Ishmael

10-19-2011, 22:23

Personally speaking, I think you should set it before that occurrence (trying to avoid spoilers). Otherwise, the Lannisters are a bit too powerful as they essentially control King's Landing, which seems a little unbalanced. Just my 2 cents.

Arjos

10-19-2011, 22:54

The little I know is from the serie and browsing around, but I agree that with the Lannisters in control of King's Landing is quite unbalanced...

Jarema

10-20-2011, 10:59

You can also make some "conditional" events: for example, something happens when someone is killed. In this way you can both start the game at the begining of saga, and introduce things that happen later

The most interesting time IMO would be when...

there is as many kings as possible - Renly, Stannis, Greyjoy, Rob, Joffrey... did I miss someone? There could be also king of people behind the Wall and Deanerys... At this moment control over King's Landing is not as OP as it may seem

As for Melisandre: limited (like, someone of royal blood must sacrifice himself in order for her to get one use of it) assassination ability + limited protection against assassination?

johnhughthom

10-20-2011, 11:01

Jarema

10-21-2011, 10:00

That's a large part of the game already.

:2thumbsup:

Ishmael

10-21-2011, 11:22

So how would combat function in this game? Would it just be that the side with the most troops wins, or would external factors such as terrain play a part (for example, would a house like Dorne have a bonus for fighting guerilla actions in their homeland)?

johnhughthom

10-21-2011, 11:46

Sprig

10-21-2011, 13:11

Dorne !!!!!

Sprig

10-21-2011, 13:13

That's my other dilemma, I'm open to opinions.

Should be pre John Arrans death.

Greyblades

10-21-2011, 14:08

Hrm I dont think that would be a good idea; if john arryn manages to avoid being assassinated in this game, the entire premise could end up derailed, seeing as his death is the event that starts the whole debacle.
Incidentally; in when it starts.

johnhughthom

10-21-2011, 15:00

Should be pre John Arrans death.

That's not an option, the dilemma is more Ned Stark and Renly. 99% sure it will start after Renly has left, not sure whether Stark should have the option to do things differently as it would kind of go against his character. I'm leaning toward just after he has been arrested, which will give the Lannisters the decision to make on what to do with him. Assuming Joff doesn't do something rash... :laugh4:

Ishmael

10-21-2011, 21:10

So can factions assassinate their own family members? Because I think a few Lannisters (read: Tyrion) might want for Joffrey to have an 'accident'....

johnhughthom

10-21-2011, 21:22

So can factions assassinate their own family members? Because I think a few Lannisters (read: Tyrion) might want for Joffrey to have an 'accident'....

Any orders that are blatant (or subtle) attempts to use knowledge from the books/tv series that the characters wouldn't realistically possess might result in, accidents...

Nor will I allow orders that go against characters personalities to an excessive extent, I'll try not to curb player freedom too much, but, for example, having Tyrion try to kill Joffrey would probably see Tyrion run off to whorehouse and spend the entire phase there. Though if Joffrey were to provoke Tyrion sufficiently, perhaps. And I imagine the lad will provoke his uncle...

Diamondeye

10-22-2011, 13:21

Any orders that are blatant (or subtle) attempts to use knowledge from the books/tv series that the characters wouldn't realistically possess might result in, accidents...

Nor will I allow orders that go against characters personalities to an excessive extent, I'll try not to curb player freedom too much, but, for example, having Tyrion try to kill Joffrey would probably see Tyrion run off to whorehouse and spend the entire phase there. Though if Joffrey were to provoke Tyrion sufficiently, perhaps. And I imagine the lad will provoke his uncle...

As well as everyone else...

The Stranger

10-28-2011, 17:14

so will u play as a faction or as a character?

johnhughthom

10-28-2011, 20:10

Kagemusha

10-28-2011, 20:25

I think playing a character might be very interesting.We should not underestimate how many Orgahs are interested at this book series/ tv series.

Arjos

10-28-2011, 21:20

I really hope we manage to play as characters, if it ends in inactivy, hopefully we can switch to factions...

TheLastDays

10-28-2011, 22:05

Playing as characters would of course be more interesting but I understand the sentiments that make you lean towards teams for the factions.

The Stranger

10-30-2011, 12:26

Benefits to playing as faction:

Don't need as many players
Inactivity not so big an issue

Benefits to playing as individual:

Greater connection with character
Potential for intrigue and betrayal
No need for team agreement on orders

I'm quite sceptical about getting twenty eight players for four players per faction so I'm leaning toward players being a faction, in a faction with more than one player they would act as a team. I'm open to change this with enough players though.

you can do a mix? like u say lannister faction can be 4 players each with a tied victory condition but still some room for internal competition and intrigue. so they can be tyrion tywin jaime and cersei.

also i think if u play as a faction inactivity is a bigger issue than with characters. because less players and less factions if one person is inactive a huge part of the game drops out.

TheFlax

11-02-2011, 07:10

Just passing by to signal my interest.

It would be great to get enough people to be able to play specific characters instead of factions.

Khazaar

11-04-2011, 22:38

I would be interested as well. I think with the sucsess of the TV show you´d get your players.
Suggestions:
Honour and Bravery seem fairly close I´d swap Honour with Swordmanship for duels, tournaments etc. and survivability if your side looses a battle ( the Blackfish would manage to fight his way out of a lost Battle but Tyrion probably wouldn´t).
Also I´d give the factionleaders the ability to send in orders for their factionplayers, this way inactivity wouldn´t be such a big problem (also would make the backstabbing even sweeter as the individual players wouldn´t neccesary need to follow orders and could overwrite them. I´d actively recruit for the factionheads and ask for commitment, don´t assign them randomly.

johnhughthom

11-05-2011, 20:17

Bravery is more than skill with swords, it is bravery in all areas of life, warfare, political, family etc. The examples you gave would happen anyway, each character will behave as much as possible within the knowledge we have of the characters. So Brynden probably would survive a lost battle, whether he was captured or not is another story, whereas Tyrion would have an accident on the way to the lost battle and somehow come out of it unscathed. :wink:

Sprig

11-10-2011, 00:44

Did i say Dorne? i thknki did but in case i didn;t....

Dorne... please :D

Arjos

11-16-2011, 03:38

How's W:GT coming along? :)

johnhughthom

11-16-2011, 12:47

To be honest, not well... Football Manager and then Skyrim have taken pretty much all my free time over the past month.

I have the basics down, it's just a case of doing the actual roles and things, but I'd hoped to be ready to go by now. I said I'll start a week after the end of Capo, and I'll keep that start date. My brain hasn't enough spare capacity to have been able to keep up with Capo, so if somebody could let me know when it ends, I'll pm everybody that was interested and set a start date.

Gurkhal

11-22-2011, 20:04

Just checking in to see how things are going. I trust that the game is still on. :)

johnhughthom

11-22-2011, 22:05

Looks like I'll be setting a starting date in the next few days.

Double A

11-24-2011, 07:21

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/LordRyu/bronies/fluttershy-yay-drop.gif

atheotes

11-29-2011, 08:18

Tentatively in...if you are ok with the fact that I am only half way through the first book (liking it) and have never played CK.:bow:

Greyblades

12-01-2011, 17:21

So uh, whether or not it becomes a character based game I'd like to place my claim on Littlefinger.

scottishranger

12-02-2011, 00:25

Hmm Im a big fan of the North, but I also love the Iron Isles. Choices Choices...

The Stranger

12-02-2011, 00:49

could u send me a pm maybe to notify me of the start? would be much appreciated

johnhughthom

12-02-2011, 05:34

could u send me a pm maybe to notify me of the start? would be much appreciated

I'll be pming everybody who has expressed interest well in advance of the game starting.

johnhughthom

12-03-2011, 07:13

Game will start December 12th, assuming I get replies from all interested parties as to their preferred factions in time. I have 23 people interested in playing, though no doubt a few will have lost interest (I know Zack has given up playing mafia so he'll probably not be in), so we may well get enough for everybody to have a specific character.

Interested (23):

White eyes
Beskar
Double A
TLD
Kage
Diamondeye
Gurkhal
Zack
Cent
slash and earn
dcmort
scottishranger
The Stranger
Jarema
Skooma
Ishmael
LazyMcCrow
Arjos
Sprig
Greyblades
Flax
Khazaar
atheotes

Confirmed (16):

atheotes
Beskar
Ishmael
Kage
AA
Arjos
Greyblades
The Stranger
Jarema
scottishranger
Skooma Addict
Gurkhal
autolycus
Khazaar
Sigurd
Csargo

edit: That's everybody pmed. I'll update as I get players confirming.

Ishmael

12-03-2011, 22:52

I just noticed that you set the starting date as January 12th here, but December 12th in the PM. Which is correct?

johnhughthom

12-03-2011, 22:55

Doh! December.

Double A

12-04-2011, 17:18

So uh, whether or not it becomes a character based game I'd like to place my claim on Littlefinger.

You and everyone else.

Greyblades

12-04-2011, 17:56

Mwahahahaha!

Arjos

12-04-2011, 18:25

I can barely manage to wait one week XD

Askthepizzaguy

12-05-2011, 22:08

Game moved to gameroom as requested.

autolycus

12-05-2011, 23:35

Count me in.

Montmorency

12-06-2011, 07:04

Give me whatever's left, I suppose.

Gurkhal

12-06-2011, 09:58

I'm ready to put Westeros to the sword! :D

Greyblades

12-06-2011, 10:24

Hrm... I've been thinking and now I dont really want to be little finger anymore, I'd rather be Tywin.

johnhughthom

12-06-2011, 21:23

Just to clarify, at the minute it doesn't look like we will have enough players for everyone to play as an individual. Everybody will be part of a faction, and give orders as a team for the faction.

Greyblades

12-06-2011, 22:26

Well, seeing as theres too many people to have one person per faction we could have everyone pick a character and the leftover ones could be ordered about by the head of house.

Double A

12-06-2011, 23:01

I'd like to be
under the sea
in a grey kraken's garden
in the shade.

Arjos

12-06-2011, 23:06

Just to clarify, at the minute it doesn't look like we will have enough players for everyone to play as an individual. Everybody will be part of a faction, and give orders as a team for the faction.

Oh noes! We must drag those interested players in here at once! XD

Ishmael

12-06-2011, 23:12

I have a question for people that are more knowledgeable of ASOIAF than me - what territory does Stannis control at this point? Is it just Dragonstone, or does he have some vassals/knights/whatever they're called at Storm's End as well? And JHT, will Stannis' forces be a playable faction or will they just be lumped in with Storm's End?

Arjos

12-06-2011, 23:16

I could be wrong, but Stannis would be at Dragonstone, while Renly at Storm's End...

johnhughthom

12-06-2011, 23:18

Playables:

Lannisters
Starks
Greyjoys
Dragonstone (Stannis)
Martell (Dorne)
Storms End (Renly)
Highgarden

Ishmael

12-06-2011, 23:51

The Vale and Riverlands are unplayable?

Double A

12-07-2011, 01:52

*spoilers*

I would imagine the Riverlands belong to the Starks due to them proclaiming Robb their king. :tongue:

Vale is run by Lysa, so won't do anything till Littlefinger sets things straight.

Stannis has some crappy islands in his general vicinity, and possibly Florent land, I don't really remember and don't care since House Florent sucks.

Ishmael

12-07-2011, 02:09

*spoilers*

I would imagine the Riverlands belong to the Starks due to them proclaiming Robb their king. :tongue:

Vale is run by Lysa, so won't do anything till Littlefinger sets things straight.

Have you read A Storm of Swords? The Riverlands (particularly the Freys...) are definitely capable of going there own way - I would think of it more as an alliance. That said, I don't think that in the books they are one homogenous faction, so it probably makes sense that they aren't playable. And I agree that it wouldn't be very in-character for Lysa to do anything, although I think the Arryns do have a sizeable military force which would have to be accounted for (particularly if an 'accident' were to happen to Lysa).

On a related note, I've just got A Dance with Dragons and am about to go on holiday, so I have a perfect opportunity to read it! It will be nice to be on top of things when this starts.

scottishranger

12-07-2011, 02:10

Welll its not like the vale has done anything to this point in the stories so thats ok. And the riverlands, well thats disappointing but it can be overcome.

johnhughthom

12-07-2011, 07:07

To be honest, the main reason those factions aren't in is that I didn't think there would be the player base for nine factions. I would like as many people as possible in each faction, for intrigue and betrayal possibilities, and they were the obvious two not to make it.

Playable factions should still consider both active, and attempt to communicate with them via the host. They won't act out of character from the books however.

Double A

12-07-2011, 13:29

Have you read A Storm of Swords? The Riverlands (particularly the Freys...) are definitely capable of going there own way - I would think of it more as an alliance. That said, I don't think that in the books they are one homogenous faction, so it probably makes sense that they aren't playable. And I agree that it wouldn't be very in-character for Lysa to do anything, although I think the Arryns do have a sizeable military force which would have to be accounted for (particularly if an 'accident' were to happen to Lysa).

On a related note, I've just got A Dance with Dragons and am about to go on holiday, so I have a perfect opportunity to read it! It will be nice to be on top of things when this starts.

If I hadn't, how would I have known about Littlefinger in the Vale? :tongue:

Ishmael

12-07-2011, 20:51

Huh, of course. I need to do a re-read one of these days.

Khazaar

12-08-2011, 18:49

I´m in. Thy bidding, Master!

Sigurd

12-08-2011, 21:11

I am not listed as interested? I thought I did... might be one of those things I meant to do.
In

Csargo

12-08-2011, 21:25

I'm interested.

johnhughthom

12-09-2011, 12:05

That's 16 people, at least 2 for each faction which was the minimum to get the game started.

Greyblades

12-09-2011, 13:43

I call lanister!

White_eyes:D

12-10-2011, 03:19

Yeah I am IN, if you still need people.:bow:

I will go for whatever most players think in either one week per turn or one month.

Double A

12-10-2011, 04:02

I'm one of those hoity toity TBS fanatics, you should probably stick me in an important faction.

johnhughthom

12-10-2011, 16:34

I've just realised how close we are to the Christmas/New Year holidays. I can have the game ready to go this week no problem, but I'm thinking there may be a lot of inactivity, I'll be unable to do the write ups over the Christmas weekend so at least one round would need to be extended. I think the options are:

Start this week as planned, have an extended second phase.
Start a week later, 19th December, with a two week opening phase to give more time for opening plans, diplomacy and alliances.
Start after Christmas, 2nd January. This would also give time to perhaps get a few more players.

Thoughts?

Montmorency

12-10-2011, 16:36

Start now, but with 3-day phases?

johnhughthom

12-10-2011, 16:40

Start now, but with 3-day phases?

To be honest I wouldn't have the time to devote to 3 day phases, as it is I'll probably spend most of each Saturday or Sunday on results and write ups.

Arjos

12-10-2011, 16:54

Maybe we can start, have a long diplomacy turn and just one first phase...
Hopefully it will get more people interested or at least get everyone acquainted with the factions etc...

autolycus

12-10-2011, 16:54

I'd go for start now, because first phase I think we'll be too busy learning the ropes to really make use of a double phase.

johnhughthom

12-10-2011, 16:56

I'd go for start now, because first phase I think we'll be too busy learning the ropes to really make use of a double phase.

The only problem with that is I'm worried three weeks might be a bit long, people might get bored before it really begins. If that's what the majority want to do then we'll go with it, I guess each faction could try to recruit a full team, allowing them a character each.

autolycus

12-10-2011, 17:04

I was saying the normal length first phase, double-length second phase.

johnhughthom

12-10-2011, 17:05

I was saying the normal length first phase, double-length second phase.

Doh! Reading failure, gotcha now.

Jarema

12-10-2011, 17:42

I agree with Auto

The Stranger

12-10-2011, 18:02

i rather have we start now, because i will be unavailable during 2-7 january. but 2-3 weeks is more than enough time to get myself killed :P so now plz!

scottishranger

12-10-2011, 18:43

starting now sounds good to me!

The Stranger

12-11-2011, 16:39

is there any benefit to personally recruiting extra players to your faction or is just for more fun?

johnhughthom

12-11-2011, 17:02

is there any benefit to personally recruiting extra players to your faction or is just for more fun?

It means they will join your faction, rather than the one with fewest players, and so bring you closer to having personal control of a character.

The Stranger

12-11-2011, 17:21

yes but does it really give you an advantage when the character is human controlled instead of npc, or just a lil bit more control (or less if the guy is a treacherous bastard :P)

johnhughthom

12-11-2011, 17:23

yes but does it really give you an advantage when the character is human controlled instead of npc, or just a lil bit more control (or less if the guy is a treacherous bastard :P)

Nope, no advantage in game, orders will have the same effect whether given as a team or an individual.

Double A

12-11-2011, 17:29

I agree with Auto.

Besides, I wanna play now.

johnhughthom

12-11-2011, 17:31

Your teams are up, feel free to pester your team mates, or enemies via pm. :wink:

I'm getting through it a bit quicker than I though. It might be ready to start later tonight.

Arjos

12-11-2011, 17:33

One question: are those Greyjoy's ships free?

johnhughthom

12-11-2011, 17:42

One question: are those Greyjoy's ships free?

You'll have to ask them that. :tongue:

The Celtic Viking

12-11-2011, 18:45

I seem to have been conscripted into this by Arjos, so please sign me up for House Martell. :)

autolycus

12-11-2011, 18:53

Welcome to the team, TCV!

Gurkhal

12-11-2011, 19:07

This may be a little late, but I would rather start after the holidays are over.

johnhughthom

12-11-2011, 19:08

This may be a little late, but I would rather start after the holidays are over.

It is a wee bit late, as we are nearly ready to go! You have two others on your team though, so if you can't commit to a lot of activity early on it shouldn't be a problem.

Gurkhal

12-11-2011, 19:10

Sounds good to me. I just need to find them then. :P

Arjos

12-11-2011, 19:33

Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken: all hail the sunspear!
Now off to see which character each will get :P

johnhughthom

12-11-2011, 19:34

Sounds good to me. I just need to find them then. :P

It's in the op of the other thread, atheotes and Greyblades are your team mates.

Montmorency

12-11-2011, 20:02

johnhughthom

12-11-2011, 20:19

Whatare the mechanics and costs of recruitment and upkeep? Are the armies of the sworn houses in addition to our starting armies? How does war function? How are territories conquered? Does precise geographic location relative to cities within a province matter, or is battle initiated as soon as one side's army crosses another's borders?

In the op of main thread.
Yes, but they can only be called up in time of war.
You tell me what you want your army to do.
By holding the capital. You can garrison troops.
You can be as vague, or as detailed as you like with your orders. Remember that the other faction may be more detailed though.
The op of the main thread also has a more detailed map, with landmarks and settlements.

scottishranger

12-11-2011, 20:22

When we (the greyjoys) buy longships, do our crews come with them?? and can we use those crews as fighters? ( I assume yes but I am just checking)

johnhughthom

12-11-2011, 20:33

When we (the greyjoys) buy longships, do our crews come with them?? and can we use those crews as fighters? ( I assume yes but I am just checking)

I answered The Stranger this question in pm, I'll let him pass it on in the QT. You don't want the other factions knowing these things. :wink:

The Stranger

12-11-2011, 20:44

could u perhaps specify in the OP of the real game thread what exactly the effects are of the character traits?

johnhughthom

12-11-2011, 21:31

The traits are pretty much self explanatory. Somebody with a high intrigue is more likely to succeed in a spying mission, somebody with high leadership is more likely to win a battle etc. I don't like putting the exact mechanics in public, interactions between the factions are going to have a bigger effect on the outcome of the game than one extra point of a trait here or there.

This is the most important paragraph in the op:

Westeros: A Game of Thrones is a game that may take some getting used to for many players, much of the game is up to the players to decide. So far as possible, I will try to accept any actions that you wish to attempt. The obvious exception would be orders that include other faction's or NPC characters (orders specifying they behave in a certain way, you can of course target other factions or characters), unless I receive orders from that faction confirming the action.

johnhughthom

12-11-2011, 21:46

The game has now officially started in the main game thread here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?139349-Westeros-A-Game-of-Thrones-Game-thread). Please keep any questions about game mechanics in this thread, the faction QT or via pm.

Good luck everybody and have fun!

Double A

12-11-2011, 22:18

What do knights do, exactly?

johnhughthom

12-11-2011, 22:21

What do knights do, exactly?

Kill people.

Jarema

12-11-2011, 22:22

lol

Montmorency

12-11-2011, 22:29

Can you describe what these character stats mean? And why are ships more expensive than armies of thousands?

The Stranger

12-11-2011, 22:32

Can you describe what these character stats mean? And why are ships more expensive than armies of thousands?

The traits are pretty much self explanatory. Somebody with a high intrigue is more likely to succeed in a spying mission, somebody with high leadership is more likely to win a battle etc. I don't like putting the exact mechanics in public, interactions between the factions are going to have a bigger effect on the outcome of the game than one extra point of a trait here or there.

This is the most important paragraph in the op:
Westeros: A Game of Thrones is a game that may take some getting used to for many players, much of the game is up to the players to decide. So far as possible, I will try to accept any actions that you wish to attempt. The obvious exception would be orders that include other faction's or NPC characters (orders specifying they behave in a certain way, you can of course target other factions or characters), unless I receive orders from that faction confirming the action.

i dont know about army/ships. but a fleet is always more expensive than a land army. i guess its game mechanics mostly.

Arjos

12-11-2011, 22:42

You have marines, crew, repairs and so forth...
Soldiers just keep em fed, they can look after their arms :D

johnhughthom

12-11-2011, 22:42

Can you describe what these character stats mean? And why are ships more expensive than armies of thousands?

Leadership - generally leadership of troops.
Honour - self explanatory, won't be happy carrying out dishonourable orders. More likely to be trusted by NPCs.
Bravery - courage on and off the battlefield.
Intrigue - subterfuge, ability to plan and carry out intelligence missions. Chance of catching enemy intelligence missions.
Dread - how frightened people are of him, not necessarily because of evil acts.

Arjos

12-11-2011, 23:04

What are the rules about communication outside the House?
Ravens' PMs or you need to move characters?

Montmorency

12-11-2011, 23:16

You have marines, crew, repairs and so forth...
Soldiers just keep em fed, they can look after their arms :D

How many men crew these ships anyway? Are they massive catamarans with thousands of rowers?

White_eyes:D

12-11-2011, 23:33

How many men crew these ships anyway? Are they massive catamarans with thousands of rowers? The Drowned God always gets at least half of them anyway. Hard to pay upkeep for a dead crew.:bounce:

I am wondering how this is going to go? For instance someone wants to wipe out get rid of a disloyal NPC house, what would the consequence's of such an action be?:book:

johnhughthom

12-11-2011, 23:36

I am wondering how this is going to go? For instance someone wants to wipe out get rid of a disloyal NPC house, what would the consequence's of such an action be?:book:

One way to find out. :wink:

What are the rules about communication outside the House?

No restrictions.

scottishranger

12-11-2011, 23:37

The Drowned God always gets at least half of them anyway. Hard to pay upkeep for a dead crew.:bounce:

All Hail the Drowned God! What is dead can never die, but rises again, harder and stronger!

Greyblades

12-11-2011, 23:53

So who's currently at war with who?

Montmorency

12-11-2011, 23:55

Storm's End owns Ghaston Grey? An outrage if so.

johnhughthom

12-11-2011, 23:59

Storm's End owns Ghaston Grey? An outrage if so.

I'm considering sending you there for the remainder of the game. :tongue:

So who's currently at war with who?

That's for you lot to decide.

Greyblades

12-12-2011, 00:00

Well, crud.

White_eyes:D

12-12-2011, 00:25

I think the ball is in Ned's Court right now...but what will he do, prize honor above all else or do his job as Kings Hand?:book:

Craterus

12-12-2011, 00:29

In. Greyjoy.

johnhughthom

12-12-2011, 00:31

In. Greyjoy.

Would you mind playing a different faction? The Greyjoys already have three players, but the Tyrells, Dragonstone and Storm's End only have two.

The Stranger

12-12-2011, 00:37

nonono i personally recruited him!

johnhughthom

12-12-2011, 00:38

nonono i personally recruited him!

Okay, that's fine then. You're supposed to tell me these things... :wink:

Can you pass the pm and QT link on then please?

The Stranger

12-12-2011, 00:40

yes i can. i didnt tell yet because he would sign up when he came back :P but ill pass it on

johnhughthom

12-12-2011, 00:44

BTW, if anybody disagrees with the characters in their faction, or thinks I've forgotten somebody, let me know. The make up of each faction isn't set in stone. Some of the choices weren't ideal, but I think I've got the best options in each faction. There were probably a few more I could have put in as vassals, but I didn't want to have an overwhelming number of characters, some factions already have quite a few.

Greyblades

12-12-2011, 00:47

Considering everyone knows who Lannister house's members are (and could see thier stats up until yesterday) I think there should be an addition to the opening post where every factions member and thier locations are listed.

johnhughthom

12-12-2011, 00:52

Whoops, sorry I thought I'd got rid of that. I don't think any of the locations are a surprise, and I picked the Lannisters as the four characters would be pretty obvious to anyone.

Arjos

12-12-2011, 00:55

Perhaps Lord Lannister should be sufficiently proud that his House is so reknowed and don't concern himself with other Houses?

Oberan Nymeros Martell

johnhughthom

12-12-2011, 00:57

It's only fair, I'll put the main faction members in the op.

Done.

The Stranger

12-12-2011, 15:13

can you specify the cost and or requirements for knights, or when they are classified like longships, atleast give a specification like you gave for longships who or what can get knights?

johnhughthom

12-12-2011, 15:18

Knights are landed gentry, they have no upkeep cost and can only be called upon in time of war. Losing knights can be disastrous for factions. Not all factions can call up knights, though they may have a few with the factional army.

Secura

12-12-2011, 19:41

Signing up and throwing my lot in with the Dragonstone. :bow:

johnhughthom

12-12-2011, 19:43

Signing up and throwing my lot in with the Dragonstone. :bow:

Good to have you, has Beskie given you the role pm and QT?

Secura

12-12-2011, 20:04

Good to have you, has Beskie given you the role pm and QT?

Yup, he has. Just waiting for your say-so before I post in the QT. :3

johnhughthom

12-12-2011, 20:13

Yup, he has. Just waiting for your say-so before I post in the QT. :3

Sure, do your thing. :bow:

The Stranger

12-12-2011, 21:36

ill give 5 dragonships to whoever can help me with Bayesian Probability right now

johnhughthom

12-12-2011, 23:16

This was buried away in page three, I have quoted it in the op of the main thread, and will do so again here.

Any orders that are blatant (or subtle) attempts to use knowledge from the books/tv series that the characters wouldn't realistically possess might result in, accidents...

A lot of ideas I have come across are not in the spirit of this, I understand it's difficult not to use the knowledge you have but some of it is blatantly giving the characters psychic abilities. I won't disallow orders that I feel come into this category, but you may not like the results.

Montmorency

12-12-2011, 23:29

Hey, clarifying final orders: one player sends them all in, and the others (CCed) confirm with their approval?

johnhughthom

12-12-2011, 23:31

Oh, yes, some of the QTs are getting rather long, you know who you are. I would appreciate it if you could put your faction orders in one post before the end of the phase. No need to pm me, unless you control an individual character and want to over-ride any QT orders. You sneaky devil.

Also; I have decided that everybody can play one character if they wish. One member of each team must be the Faction Leader however, and that person will control the characters without players. If anybody prefers to play as a team that will be fine as well.

cross post Monty, I think I answered your question anyway :)

Arjos

12-12-2011, 23:34

*excited beyond comprehension* XD

White_eyes:D

12-13-2011, 00:46

A lot of ideas I have come across are not in the spirit of this, I understand it's difficult not to use the knowledge you have but some of it is blatantly giving the characters psychic abilities. I won't disallow orders that I feel come into this category, but you may not like the results.You are going to need to be more clear about this...if I follow this then the Stark's will no matter what, choose the path they did in the books then(Which is being nearly wiped out).

The world of "A Song of Ice and Fire" is more about there is no right answer that solves everything for everyone, rather then the right answer is always the hard and obvious one. I just want to know how free we are to act honorably/dishonorably and what you would define as being "psychic".(Since you would need some knowledge of the characters at least):confused:

Greyblades

12-13-2011, 01:01

It seems this war will be over sooner that I thought. I'm sure if you put your mind to it you could think of something.

White_eyes:D

12-13-2011, 01:08

I could think of many things but would "Honest" Ned do them?:book:

Greyblades

12-13-2011, 01:12

Ah, ah, ah, I could never tell, though I can tell you that I can see at least one way for you to improve your situation without Ned becoming dishonerable.

Montmorency

12-13-2011, 01:16

Eager to get yours, non-entity of a Lattimore?

Greyblades

12-13-2011, 01:19

Huh, I thought this was the OOC thread.

Montmorency

12-13-2011, 01:23

It's not my fault your posts give off such a sinister vibe, Lannister. :P

The Stranger

12-13-2011, 01:41

are we supposed to follow the books? i thought this just like diplomacy but then set in westeros...

Arjos

12-13-2011, 01:42

Yeah, we are free, JHT was just saying that you can't use any knowledge from the books after Robert Baratheon's death I suppose...

The Stranger

12-13-2011, 01:58

so i guess i can recall my fleet looking for the dragon queen? :devil:

johnhughthom

12-13-2011, 10:55

You don't have to exactly follow the characters actions in the books, that would be silly.

You simply cannot use specific knowledge of things that haven't happened, for example;

If the game had started earlier, giving Lannister orders like "Cersei and Jaime should be careful where they get intimate" would probably work out fine. "No banging in that abandoned tower" would not.

There are orders under discussion using specific knowledge of things that haven't happened yet.

so i guess i can recall my fleet looking for the dragon queen? :devil:

You haven't heard anything about a dragon queen as she doesn't exist.

Yet.

White_eyes:D

12-13-2011, 11:00

You haven't heard anything about a dragon queen as she doesn't exist.

Yet.I like this...it means random and Not-so-random events are going to occur, at least I hope so. "Only fools fight over a house as it burns down around them" kind of thing but you must also keep in mind that there can be only one.:grin2:

Greyblades

12-13-2011, 11:35

Uh, JHT, is piracy from non PC's counted in this game?

johnhughthom

12-13-2011, 11:54

Uh, JHT, is piracy from non PC's counted in this game?

There will be no piracy not directed by the players.

Montmorency

12-13-2011, 11:57

Can we have charming courtesans seduce enemy FM's?

The courtesans would of course bear many infections.

Greyblades

12-13-2011, 11:58

:mellow:

The Stranger

12-13-2011, 13:13

There will be no piracy not directed by the players.

he is obviously joking! :yes:

Beskar

12-13-2011, 16:59

Admittedly, there are tons of possibilities of what could occur. But having major rivals become allies would be so unbelievably gamey, it would be untrue. These would be for example, Stannis or Renly willingly working with the Lannisters.

Starks to ally the Lannisters... it would be... "extremely difficult" to do this convincingly without it looking completely unrealistic of the situation. During this point of time, I believe Ned is trapped and he just tried to send a letter to Stannis (which doesn't get there) proclaiming him the Rightful Ruler endorsed by himself. It is easily possible for the Starks and Lannisters not to end up in war though, if for example, Ned Stark takes the Black and his son takes over. This would leave them conflicting, but "Neutral". However, the Stark's do have major influence with House Tully (currently NPC'd) which may be persuaded to join them.

I believe during this period too, Renly just escaped with the Knight of Roses to gather up forces in Storm's End and High-garden, and is just about to marry Margery of House Tyrell. Though upon joining these factions, I assume the players there would already know this. The lesser powers do have far more flexibility though in their choices.

Things are pretty difficult though for the three most powerful factions (Lannister, Stark and Tyrell) to actually end up on the same side.

Arjos

12-13-2011, 17:13

By the game thread, we are far before that, I think Ned just wrote down Robert's will and Cersei is preparing Joffrey's coronation...

The Stranger

12-13-2011, 17:40

kinda depends, if a turn is a month than at the end of the month alot will have happened, including the things beskar just wrote.

Kagemusha

12-13-2011, 17:44

How i understand it. Things have developed like they have in the books up until the situation JHT described in his first post. What ever will happen afterwards can be very different from the books or maybe not, currently depending a lot what the Stark´s decide.

Beskar

12-13-2011, 20:31

The events I described happen within a few days of Robert's final breath. The first couple of hours afterwards has Renly disappearing with his Knights to Highgarden with the Knight of Roses, Stark getting imprisoned and Cersei's guards killing and capturing his household guard and daughters.

Considering where the Night Watch is located and they were just told Robert is on his deathbed. It is fair to assume the main dealings are under-way or have already done, especially as they were already in progress before Robert was dead.

However, there is merit in what Kagemusha says. It is down to Eddard Stark, as Hand. He can either support Renly (Ursuper Brother), support Stannis (Rightful Heir) or support Joffrey (Illegitimate non-blood related Lannister spawn). In the series, we all know Eddard supports Stannis and is forced under torture and consul to accept Joffrey for the 'sake of the kingdom' then was betrayed by being beheaded and Joffrey calling for Stark blood. This leads to Eddard's son fighting for independence supported by House Tully (and House Frey).

The Stranger

12-13-2011, 20:44

dont forget littlefinger who proposed that stark take the throne for himself. or is this too much out of character :P

Greyblades

12-13-2011, 20:47

Actually, littlefinger told eddard to back Joffrey and then Renly if joffrey got out of hand.

Beskar

12-13-2011, 20:50

Actually, littlefinger told eddard to back Joffrey and then Renly if joffrey got out of hand.

I believe this is correct. Stark was offered the throne before Robert, but Robert had to closer bloodline, thus he step-aside for Robert. Jaime actually almost took the throne for himself too at this time.

I thought this was after the whole "Renly fleeing to Highgarden" and "Eddard Stark is imprisoned" and I couldn't resist calling Renly out like that! I am going to edit it appriopiately, so Sigurd's response to it is still "valid", and as such.

As a note, only people who know/suspect the whole incest thing:
Eddard Stark
Stannis Baratheon (and confidants)
Renly Baratheon (and confidants and possibly via Knight of Roses, House Tyrell)
Cersei and Jamie Lannister (for obvious reasons)
Knight of Roses (see above)

Gurkhal

12-13-2011, 21:07

Renly Baratheon (and confidants and possibly via Knight of Roses, House Tyrell)

I think that you're wrong here. Renly didn't have a clue about the incest untill Stannis wrote his letters, and I recall that even then he didn't believe it but took it as Stannis made-up excuse to claim the crown.

Beskar

12-13-2011, 21:39

I think that you're wrong here. Renly didn't have a clue about the incest untill Stannis wrote his letters, and I recall that even then he didn't believe it but took it as Stannis made-up excuse to claim the crown.

I have been searching for that very letter for Game reasons but I leant my books to my father (who lives elsewhere) so I haven't been able to get a copy. if anyone feels generous, feel free to pm it to me.

I thought Renly suspected of the incest from his brother whilst Robert was alive, but he took no part in the shenanigans whilst Stannis got John Arryn involved (and was subsequently killed when he had the evidence mulling over presenting it to Robert) and Stannis left fearing for his own life. Renly not taking part of the shenanigans didn't need to fear until Robert was murdered and sought out Ned Stark in order to convince him to support his claim upon the throne, Ned Stark in reply said Stannis is the rightful heir and not him. Renly left in a huff out of King's Landing to the south to call his own banners along with the support of House Tyrell.

I don't remember Renly "Not knowing" about it since he uses it himself and basically because Stannis is so unloved (whilst he is very much a "Young Robert") he can actually gather the support behind him.

Arjos

12-13-2011, 21:53

The events I described happen within a few days of Robert's final breath.

Yes, but in the game it has been only few hours at most...

Beskar

12-13-2011, 22:46

Yes, but in the game it has been only few hours at most...

How fast does the Raven fly? Robert died the night he returned. The Wall is far anyway, regardless, it seems we the players have gone closer to the happenings and as I am not the Starks or Lannisters or Renly, I don't have an 'accurate starting' pm and i edited my earlier post in the game thread to reflect this fact. (If the players accept this amendment of mine, it is in the same spirit as the earlier message)

Still interesting to see what happened in the book and what players do though!

Beskar

12-13-2011, 22:52

Out of Character Convention!

With the last message in the thread, I think we should put any OOC stuff in spoilers, so people can read through the thread and messages without getting distracted by totally out of character information.

For example:

*Stannis paces the hallway and throws the sigil of House Richmort out of the window towards the ocean.*
I shall not tolerant the presence of such deceitful cretins within my kingdom.

The thread is technically parchments of information sent around by ravens, crows, and "little mice" in the public domain. So from this message of mine, Eddard Stark for example might have heard about Stannis falling out with House Richmort.

Double A

12-14-2011, 03:17

Everyone is Genre Savvy. john, you have no idea what you've gotten yourself into.

johnhughthom

12-14-2011, 20:02

Kival has joined Dragonstone.

Everyone is Genre Savvy. john, you have no idea what you've gotten yourself into.

I just hope everybody understands how much work there is in the background and will give me a break if they don't agree with certain things.

scottishranger

12-14-2011, 23:02

We understand. Im so thankful to you for hosting this kind of game. I know its very stressful

Skooma Addict

12-15-2011, 11:07

I just hope everybody understands how much work there is in the background and will give me a break if they don't agree with certain things.

If everything doesn't appease us we will have you hanged and drawn. Then your innards will be sewn back inside you so we can have you drawn again and beheaded. Your body will be thrown to the direwolves. Your head will make a fine meal for the crows.

Nah, whatever you do will be epic and appreciated, just like the last game was.