IKEA mafia [Concluded]

[Sooh]

Welcome to the living room of doom.

Will the IKEA furniture win over the evil design pieces, or will IKEA go down in a blaze, paving the way for more expensive furniture?

Time to find out!

Rules:
1. Do not discuss the game outside of the game thread and mod-designated channels.

2. You may not edit or delete posts in the game thread for any reason at any time, nor may you THANK post while the game is still going on. After you die you may post one BAH post which does not include any clues.

3. You may not post screenshots of or directly quote your role PM, mod communication, or any other game-related communication that originated outside of the game thread.

4. You are expected to behave civilly.

5. You may claim whatever you like. Mafia have fake claims.

6. Days will be 48 hours and nights will be 24. D1 will have an extended deadline.

7. There are no cults in this game.


Sign up here:

1. Askthepizzaguy - Town mason - Killed N5
2. AdmiralKleenex - Vanilla town - Killed N1
3. Jarema - Vanilla town - lynched D1
4. El Barto - Vanilla mafia - lynched D3
5. atheotes
6. BSmith - Mafia 2x role cop - lynched D5
7. Al Sipsclar
8. Double A - Vanilla town - lynched D2
9. GeneralHankerchief - Godfather with 1x bulletproof vest - lynched D6
10. Eldrick ( replacing Seireikhaan)
11. johnhughthom - 2x commuter - Killed N2
12. Visor - Town 2 shot vigilante - Killed N3
13. edse - Serial killer - Lynched D4
14. Choxorn - Vanilla town - Killed N1
15. Punisher - Vanilla mafia - Killed N2
16. Raith Kemmler
17. Golden1Knight - Town mason - Killed N4

Replacements are welcome!


Start of D1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151575-IKEA-mafia&p=2053692686&viewfull=1#post2053692686)
End of D1 - Jarema was lynched. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151575-IKEA-mafia-In-Play&p=2053693421&posted=1#post2053693421)
Start of D2 - Choxorn and AdmiralKleenex were killed. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151575-IKEA-mafia-In-Play&p=2053693553#post2053693553)
End of D2 - Double A was lynched. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151575-IKEA-mafia-In-Play&p=2053693880&viewfull=1#post2053693880)
Start of D3 - Punisher and johnhughthom were killed. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151575-IKEA-mafia-In-Play&p=2053693981#post2053693981)
End of D3 - El Barto was lynched. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151575-IKEA-mafia-In-Play&p=2053694355#post2053694355)
Start of D4 - Visor was killed. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151575-IKEA-mafia-In-Play&p=2053694564#post2053694564)
End of D4 - edse was lynched. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151575-IKEA-mafia-In-Play&p=2053694954#post2053694954)
Start of D5 - Golden1Knight was killed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151575-IKEA-mafia-In-Play&p=2053695015&viewfull=1#post2053695015)
End of D5 - BSmith was lynched (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151575-IKEA-mafia-In-Play&p=2053695302#post2053695302)
Start of D6 - Askthepizzaguy was killed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151575-IKEA-mafia-In-Play&p=2053695481&posted=1#post2053695481)
End of D6 - GeneralHankerchief was lynched (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151575-IKEA-mafia-In-Play&p=2053695828&viewfull=1#post2053695828)

Game over, town wins!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Winner winner inner chicken dinner.

[Zack]

Put me on the list

[El Barto]

Why does a Norwegian make the Swedes be the mafia?

[Jarema]

I never played in furniture mafia before
(altough I was SK piece of equipement once)

[Sooh]

Why does a Norwegian make the Swedes be the mafia?

Never said they were to be the mafia in the game. IKEA is just a theme. You'll see.

Are you in?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why does a Norwegian make the Swedes be the mafia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish%E2%80%93Norwegian_War_%281814%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_union_between_Norway_and_Sweden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Weser%C3%BCbung

Sweden either was an aggressor to Norway and a threat herself, or rolled over and allowed the Nazis to go right into Norway without putting up any kind of fight.

Unlike the French who are wrongly maligned for surrendering to the Axis powers after a brutal fight and then afterward continued resistance, the Swedes literally stayed neutral and allowed the Germans to do whatever they wanted to Norway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_during_World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_during_World_War_II#Occupation_of_Denmark_and_Norway

Sweden allowed the Germans to use their railways to transport war machines against those opposing the Reich. Keep in mind, Sweden's military was more substantial than Norway's, and Norway actually opposed the Reich.

Now, this is a very one-sided view, of course. But it might explain why there may be a little resentment toward Sweden from the Norwegian side.

And of course, this is all tongue-in-cheek. I'm almost certain that picking on Swedish furniture has nothing to do with Norwegian attitudes toward Sweden, but is simply a happy coincidence.

:clown:

For more on this, see the backroom, because it's certainly not up for debate in the gameroom. :P

[El Barto]

It's not as if it were that good furniture in any case.

[atheotes]

Count me in. :bow:

[BSmith]

I'll be in.

[Sooh]

Yay! People are signing up :)

[Al Sipsclar]

Isn't it good norwegian wood?

Do we also get swedish looking names like TILLFÄLLE, MALMSTA, LÖVBACKEN?

[Sooh]

Yes, yes you do get Swedish looking names.

[Double A]

some ass
embly req
uired for th
is signup

[Sooh]

Yay! Bring on the moar peoples!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Let's do it. :yes:

[seireikhaan]

Let's do it. :yes:
...

:charge:

...

[johnhughthom]

Ayuh.

[Zack]

Ayuh.
out

:clown:

[Sooh]

Yay! So happy you're all signing up!

[Visor]

nor may you THANK post while the game is still going on.

out

[Double A]

this is my fault isn't it

[Visor]

i'll play

no leading, etc

[edse]

this is my fault isn't it

Was it you? I thought it was Csargo.

In.

[Sooh]

I'll run as 13, 15 or 17, so if I get an even number, last person signing up will be auto-reserve. Cool?

[El Barto]

Why don't you just wait for more players to *takes sunglasses off* assemble?

[Choxorn]

Ikea,

Just some oak and some pine and a handful of norsemen

Ikea,

Selling furniture for college kids and divorced men

[Sooh]

Why don't you just wait for more players to *takes sunglasses off* assemble?

Oh I'll wait. I'd love to run the full setup I had planned :)

[Zack]

btw, this is zack and visor is notyates

[GeneralHankerchief]

but why

[Zack]

but why
do you feel threatened?

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is Askthepizzaguy, just so everyone knows.

[edse]

And this is the The Black Knigh in case anyone wondered.

[Double A]

And I'm the walrus.

[Sooh]

What even happened?

[Zack]

The org allows users to change their names with ease

[El Barto]

Indeed. I was once known as ‘dead of kumquats’.

[Double A]

I've never changed my username on any forum.

[El Barto]

No vim, no pulchritude, and now no imagination… what kind of a hero are you then?

[Double A]

The kind the org deserves, but not needs.

[El Barto]

The org allows users to change their names with ease
I've just been thinking that you could upgrade to ‘askthepizzagurl’, too.

[Sooh]

I've just been thinking that you could upgrade to ‘askthepizzagurl’, too.

That one's mine by rights of marriage.

[El Barto]

Oh, sorry. Then he'll have to change to ‘askthesoohguy’.

[Zack]

I was thinking of askthelasagnaguy

[El Barto]

Hmmm… lasagna…

[Punisher]

Mr Pizza is to blame for my presence.

/in.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Welcome, Mat93 from CFC

[Sooh]

Yay! More peoples!

*goes to change names also in sign ups*

[Zack]

Mr Pizza is to blame for my presence.

/in.

hello mat this is visor

australia 4ever

[Punisher]

Welcome, Mat93 from CFC

Of course now I can't be mysterious and secretive. It was all part of my grand strategy.


hello mat this is visor

australia 4ever

I can never escape. Admittedly it would probably help if I tried.

[Zack]

ready for me, pizza, and zack to power-village

[El Barto]

How many more pieces of eight do you get for bringing in new players, pizza?

[Choxorn]

I'm Ron Burgundy?

[Zack]

hello ron

[Sooh]

Aiming for game start on Friday, with an extended D1 for those of you who might have a life on the weekends.

[El Barto]

those of you who might have a life on the weekends.
We have forum accounts and play make-believe games on said forums.

[Jarema]

yeah, I for one have work on the weekends

[Zack]

those of you who might have a life on the weekends.

ha!

start now imo

[El Barto]

I can understand your predicament. You would have to play from a cellphone and that would mean we already have our D1 lynch. History has been unfair enough to Eastern Europe for us to inflict yet another blight on them unnecessarily.

[Raith Kemmler]

I sit on the couch and chop up the furniture. Would that make me town or mafiaosa in this game?

Doesn't matter. Let's murder some furniture.

[Sooh]

I sit on the couch and chop up the furniture. Would that make me town or mafiaosa in this game?

Doesn't matter. Let's murder some furniture.

This is an in, right?

[Raith Kemmler]

A weird theme gets a weird intro.

Yeah, I'm in.

[Double A]

that was actually less ambiguous than my average join post

[Golden1Knight]

I'm kind of busy lately, but if you still need the seventeenth player, you can count on me.

[Sooh]

Yay! Thanks Golden1Knight. I'll start us off some time tomorrow then, and D1 will stretch over the weekend.

[Sooh]

Alright. Time for role PMs. No posting until I say so (if you're even here before I'm done).

[Sooh]

Welcome to the Living Room of Doom!
The living room of the Olsson Family has always been a peaceful place to live, however, one January evening everything began to change.

The Olsson's have always been the picture perfect Swedish family. Yellow wooden house with white window frames in peaceful country surroundings, a white picket fence yard and a Volvo in the garage makes up the outer frame of their happy family life. Indoors the rooms are occupied largely by old family heirlooms and a mish-mash of Ikea furniture. The furniture lived happily, side by side with the family, and a screw loose had never been a problem for the Olssons. They expected nothing more from the Ikea furniture, and were happy to fix any problems rather than replacing the furniture.

Like I said, one evening it all started changing. That was an evening of great celebration for the Olssons, because they had bought a winning lottery ticket, and all of a sudden 3 500 000 Swedish kronor were added to the family's fortune. The furniture rejoiced in their family's good luck, but a couple of months later their joy turned to fear. The rumors started in the dining room. A chair broke during dinner, causing grandmother Olsson to fall on the floor. The unfortunate chair in question was placed outside the house by the woodshed, and the morning after the horrified furniture witnessed their beloved friend being chopped to pieces.

Soon similar rumors came in from all over the house. Furniture which broke would not be fixed anymore, but rather cruelly chopped into firewood and replaced by Designer Pieces. The living room furniture held on to their screws as tightly as they could.

https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a48/myha82/IKEA%20mafia/stockholm-stol-med-h-y-rygg-gra__0181255_PE332928_S4_zpse55jd868.jpg

On a Saturday evening the dreadful business happened. A Stockholm arm chair collapsed under the weight of Mrs. Olsson. As they carried it out, the arm chair shouted to the other furniture: "It wasn't me! It was sabotage! Somebody broke my pegs last night when we were all asleep!"

The other furniture could do nothing for the poor Stockholm now, but they started eyeing each other suspiciously. Who would do such a thing? Could it be that the Designer Pieces had already infiltrated them and tried to take them out, one by one? The furniture braced themselves for a thorough investigation. They had to find the saboteur, before they were all replaced!


Player list:
1. Askthepizzaguy
2. AdmiralKleenex
3. Jarema
4. El Barto
5. atheotes
6. BSmith
7. Al Sipsclar
8. Double A
9. GeneralHankerchief
10. Eldrick (replacing Seireikhaan)
11. johnhughthom
12. Visor
13. edse
14. Choxorn
15. Punisher
16. Raith Kemmler
17. Golden1Knight

Sample Vanilla role PM:
Welcome to the Living Room of Doom.
https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a48/myha82/IKEA%20mafia/stockholm-stol-med-h-y-rygg-gra__0181255_PE332928_S4_zpse55jd868.jpg

You are Stockholm arm chair, vanilla town.

Your mission is to rid the living room of the dreaded Designer Pieces. You win when the last Designer Piece is gone.

Rules:

1. Do not discuss the game outside of the game thread and mod-designated channels.

2. You may not edit or delete posts in the game thread for any reason at any time, nor may you THANK post while the game is still going on. After you die you may post one BAH post which does not include any clues.

3. You may not post screenshots of or directly quote your role PM, mod communication, or any other game-related communication that originated outside of the game thread.

4. You are expected to behave civilly.

5. You may claim whatever you like. Mafia have fake claims.

6. Days will be 48 hours and nights will be 24. D1 will have an extended deadline.

7. There are no cults in this game.

End of D1:
http://www.pending.me.uk/cd/tur_1460408400.png

[Sooh]

You may now post!

Good luck everyone!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Villager
+
Lock Clear

I will brutally destroy anyone who tries to lynch me, because they are fools, and probably designer furniture. You'd think I was joking. Look at me. I'm not joking. You think I'm joking. I'm not joking. Lickity Lackety Lock. Just like a grandfather clock. Insert several more lines here about being way more lock clear than you. Many more paragraphs oughta cover it. There we are.

Joke vote: Askthepizzaguy = HAR HAR HAR You're funny make a real vote or die

[Visor]

vote: atpg

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: AdmiralKleenex

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE

[Askthepizzaguy]

My vote looms over the unfortunate designer furnishings like the sword of Damocles. Seventeen players, and only so many places for the scummos to hide. Perhaps three scummos. If I took five shots randomly, how many scummos could I hit?

Khaan
GH
johnny boy
Zackleeno
Golden1Knight

Well. If I took shots here, I could get into a lot of trouble.

Trollface.jpg

Vote: Khaan

[Askthepizzaguy]

vote: atpg

You clicked the wrong button.

[Raith Kemmler]

Vote: Punisher

No one with that stereotypical a name could have a screw loose like a real, properly sat in butt warmer.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh hai Punisher

What do you think of Raith's vote on you? Do you think he's been a very naughty boy and deserves some kind of behaviorally-triggered negative consequence?

[Al Sipsclar]

vote: ATPG

Anyone got an Allen wrench? I think I've got a screw loose.

[Zack]

hardclaim Swedish meatball

[Zack]

Vote: AdmiralKleenex

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE

Agreed.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

ps navy > army

pps kleenex > handkerchief

[Zack]

resistance to gh wagon noted

#wagonomics

[Jarema]

vote: Visorslash

Pizza, why are you making false promises?

[Zack]

resistance to gh wagon double-noted

[El Barto]

Random.org says vote: atheotes

Oh hai Punisher

What do you think of Raith's vote on you? Do you think he's been a very naughty boy and deserves some kind of behaviorally-triggered negative consequence?
A spanking might be in order.

[El Barto]

Fixing link for reference: spankings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two Bad Neighbors).

[Askthepizzaguy]

vote: Visorslash

Pizza, why are you making false promises?

What kind of promise do you mean?

[Zack]

resistance to gh wagon is OUT OF CONTROL INFINITY-NOTED

[Sooh]

Votecount:

ATPG (2) - Visor, Al Sips
AdmiralKleenex (1) - GH
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto

Not voting: atheotes, BSmith, Double A, Seireikhaan, johnhughthom, edse, Choxorn, Punisher, Golden1Knight

[Zack]

GH (1)
*explodes*

[GeneralHankerchief]

AdmiralKleenex (1)

*does a way cooler and more memorable explosion*

[El Barto]

Why are there two votes on Atpg?

[Zack]

Why are there two votes on Atpg and not 12 on gh?

finished your thought

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why are there two votes on Atpg?

Because the mafia is particularly suicidal this game.

Well, except for Visor. He's townish.

[Visor]

Vote: Jarema

[Visor]

vote: Visorslash

Pizza, why are you making false promises?

The tone of this post is completely off for town Jarrema.

Lynch him with great prejudice.

[Al Sipsclar]

Vote: Jarema

[Visor]

@Pizza

your post was lacking something, figured I'd what you were missing:

A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, and I will never be rescinding. I am the seer. When it becomes prudent I will provide my peek.

Benefits:

1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the seer. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the seer cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.

2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I've ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all Ihave to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know[i] that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of
them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS [i]exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I *know* that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not **** up and lynch me. Makes my life super awesome.

3. There are only 11 players you need to try to read, rather than 12: I have already provided a "free" peek of me in a game with a mere 13 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:

The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the seer, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.

It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.

It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of oding this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Is that a copypasta or did you write that all yourself?

Because if it's the latter then you have my unquestioning vote for, like, at least a couple phases.

[Visor]

also GH is probably a wolf

[Visor]

Is that a copypasta or did you write that all yourself?

Because if it's the latter then you have my unquestioning vote for, like, at least a couple phases.

it was written by a man named CPHoya on 2+2

[GeneralHankerchief]

it was written by a man named CPHoya on 2+2

Ugh, please tell me that's not what I have to look forward to.

[Visor]

Ugh, please tell me that's not what I have to look forward to.

no

but there will be a lot of people who write a lot of useless text

[GeneralHankerchief]

Why do you think I'm probably scum?

[Visor]

Why do you think I'm probably scum?

Just a negative tonal reaction to your posts on the last page.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Pizza



Ohmigodusuck

[El Barto]

Why does Al Sipsclar replicate Visor's votes?

[Al Sipsclar]

Why not everyone?

[Zack]

also GH is probably a wolf
Visor is town.

[Visor]

Player list:
1. Askthepizzaguy - town
2. AdmiralKleenex - town
3. Jarema - wolf
4. El Barto - town by posting something relevant to the game
5. atheotes - null
6. BSmith - town by RNG
7. Al Sipsclar - town
8. Double A - null
9. GeneralHankerchief - wolf
10. Seireikhaan - mild wolf lean for using i instead of y on omygodyousuck, clearly faking over the top reaction to make it seem like he doen't care
11. johnhughthom - town by RNG
12. Visor - town
13. edse - null
14. Choxorn - nulll
15. Punisher - null
16. Raith Kemmler - town
17. Golden1Knight - null

i don't know why i did this, but enjoy

[Zack]

that post feels weird

[Visor]

that post feels weird

if it feels really early and out of the blue thats because it is

[Zack]

I don't see how you can so easily conclude i am town and gh is a wolf, for example.

[Visor]

I don't see how you can so easily conclude i am town and gh is a wolf, for example.

Because I didn't like GH's early posts and if he is a wolf you are a villager. And your early posts were okay too.

They're just snapreads.

[Zack]

anyway lynch gh imo

[Double A]

vote: jarrrrrrrrrrrema

[Visor]

Do you seriously think that GH is mafia?

[Zack]

Do you seriously think that GH is mafia?
why are you asking double a?

[Visor]

why are you asking double a?

i am asking you

[Zack]

visor, this is a matter of honor. There can only be one, and I will be that one.

[El Barto]

4. El Barto - town by posting something relevant to the game
*note to self: must look scummier*

seriously

double a?
*Does not compute*
*system error*
*required memory purge*
*proceed y/n?*

[Visor]

visor, this is a matter of honor. There can only be one, and I will be that one.

do you legitimately have a wolf read on GH or are you just mucking around?

[El Barto]

It's a wannabe-GH speaking about honour. That impostor, usurper. Cannot be serious.

[Double A]

We should table this discussion for later.

[El Barto]

Because…?

[Zack]

do you legitimately have a wolf read on GH or are you just mucking around?
idk how you could legitimately have a wolf read on anyone at this point

[Visor]

idk how you could legitimately have a wolf read on anyone at this point

Why not?

[Jarema]

The tone of this post is completely off for town Jarrema.

Lynch him with great prejudice.

Oh come on. You are better than this.

[Visor]

Oh come on. You are better than this.

what kind of defence is this?

[edse]

A passive aggressive one Vote: Jarema

[Sooh]

Vote count:

ATPG (1) - Khaan
AdmiralKleenex (1) - GH
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto
Jarema (4) - Visor, Al Sips, Double A, edse

Not voting: atheotes, BSmith, johnhughthom, Choxorn, Punisher, Golden1Knight

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey Jarema:

1) Your opening post directed at me sucked

2) Your vote on Visor really sucks, because he's an obvious villager.

3) Last chance to act like a townie this game. Go.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Jarema

Al rising up the villager ranks based on this vote switch. I don't find that scumbags are so cooperative with vague suspicions when they've already placed a vote, especially given the short time frame between those two poasts.

[Visor]

Hey Jarema:

1) Your opening post directed at me sucked

2) Your vote on Visor really sucks, because he's an obvious villager.

3) Last chance to act like a townie this game. Go.

How am I an obvious villager?

Why did you read me town earlier when I had only posted once and it was a vote for you?

[Visor]

Al rising up the villager ranks based on this vote switch. I don't find that scumbags are so cooperative with vague suspicions when they've already placed a vote, especially given the short time frame between those two poasts.

I agree on this, regardless of Jaremas alignment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why does Al Sipsclar replicate Visor's votes?

You can't spell replicate Visor's votes without Sipsclar.

[Askthepizzaguy]

How am I an obvious villager?

Why did you read me town earlier when I had only posted once and it was a vote for you?

I used the force. The force is strong with me this game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I really don't want to oppose the Jarema wagon, so let me think of who needs to die on day two.

[Visor]

I used the force. The force is strong with me this game.

sorry bub, i'm the only soulreader in this game

But seriously, voting you there is something I would do in either alignment and you know that, so I have to ask, why did you village read me for it?

[Askthepizzaguy]

vote: atpg

Townish Visor


Vote: AdmiralKleenex

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE

Assuming GH and AK-Zack are both villagers is a risky bet at this stage. I don't want to take such a bet, especially given how neither one is especially villagery so far. Plus, the random gods never lie. someone inside my 5 shot is scum, and someone is a villager. (<---Duh, play the odds much pizza)

Assuming they're both woofs, would mean the woof team is exactly Jarema, Zack, and GH. Kind of a craptastic opening round from this team if that's the case.

Way too many words: I'd be willing to lynch inside of AK and GH on day two.


Vote: Punisher

No one with that stereotypical a name could have a screw loose like a real, properly sat in butt warmer.

Can't clear Raith for this post using my brain. But the force says he's probably innocent.


vote: ATPG

Anyone got an Allen wrench? I think I've got a screw loose.

I was all set to vote for the peoples voting for me after my OP, but they both look really good right now, and their votes directed at me felt villagery.

At this point, as you're reading this, someone will think that this is classic scum pizza buttering up the village by declaring with infinite wisdom and PIS how villagery the village is. Congratulations, you're wrong. But I'd totally do this, so you're right. Except you're still also wrong.

I'm onto you! I know how your paranoid brain works, generic other villagers!


hardclaim Swedish meatball

Is it a spicy meatball?


Agreed.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

ps navy > army

pps kleenex > handkerchief

resistance to gh wagon noted

#wagonomics

Corporal Capeman would totally own both of you, by the way. First, he's a marine, secondly, he's got a frickin' cape. That's way more surface area to wipe one's schnoz on.

Zack with the very active opening. No bet.


vote: Visorslash

Pizza, why are you making false promises?

Vote one person for no raisin while addressing another is often mafia.

Next pg

[Visor]

Assuming GH and AK-Zack are both villagers is a risky bet at this stage. I don't want to take such a bet, especially given how neither one is especially villagery so far

This part of your post smells decidedly wolfy.

You don't want to take a bet on something like that when it is basically 75% * 75% that they are both villagers? Weird wording. Smells like setting up a mislynch.

[Askthepizzaguy]

resistance to gh wagon is OUT OF CONTROL INFINITY-NOTED


Votecount:

ATPG (2) - Visor, Al Sips
AdmiralKleenex (1) - GH
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto

Not voting: atheotes, BSmith, Double A, Seireikhaan, johnhughthom, edse, Choxorn, Punisher, Golden1Knight


*explodes*


*does a way cooler and more memorable explosion*


Why are there two votes on Atpg?


finished your thought


This just in: You can only multiquote 6 posts at a time, then it starts de-selecting it automatically.

Good jerb

[Askthepizzaguy]

This part of your post smells decidedly wolfy.

You don't want to take a bet on something like that when it is basically 75% * 75% that they are both villagers? Weird wording. Smells like setting up a mislynch.

Your brain is farting loudly rite now.

Shhh and lynch Jarrema and GH.

[Visor]

Seriously Pizza, explain how you town read me for something which is completely not alignment indicative, and more importantly that you know is such?

[Askthepizzaguy]

resistance to gh wagon double-noted

I don't think Zack does this to GH on d1 as w/w because of how terrible it is. And risky given our group contains a lot of villagers who might wander in and give it 2 second's thought and go OTAY and vote GH.

Unless GH is about to leave for vacation and feels crap about subbing out, this bus doesn't happen. PS it would still be a stupid move and Zack doesn't play stupid moves.


Random.org says vote: atheotes

A spanking might be in order.

Meh.


Fixing link for reference: spankings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two Bad Neighbors).

Meh.


What kind of promise do you mean?

Ok, this guy is definitely a townie. I like the cut of his jib.


resistance to gh wagon is OUT OF CONTROL INFINITY-NOTED

Would lynch Zack if GH is town. Would give Zack the first shot.

^Scummy thing for me to say. Vote: Pizza even though I'm lick lack lock lØk låk clear, and definitely way clearer than even Visorslash. Yes, even Visorslash. And votes for me would be utter garbage and you can do better, yes, khaan can do better and move his vote because I'm afraid the worst day one of all time might repeat itself despite the current wagon totals.


Votecount:

ATPG (2) - Visor, Al Sips
AdmiralKleenex (1) - GH
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto

Not voting: atheotes, BSmith, Double A, Seireikhaan, johnhughthom, edse, Choxorn, Punisher, Golden1Knight

A random smattering of village reads.

The green is very weak in this context, it merely means that if the person voting for you is a wolf, you're a villager until final 9, or whatever is LOL-1 round depending on who dies.

For example, GH doesn't look that villagery at all so far but if AK was scum, then he'd be okay. Of the two, AK looks better. Atheotes is a big fat null.

Don't like Barto, Jarema can die in a fire, would lynch GH or one of the non-voters that isn't colored in blue.

Why Punisher blue, Pizza?

THE FORCE SAYS SO.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Seriously Pizza, explain how you town read me for something which is completely not alignment indicative, and more importantly that you know is such?

Ugh, do you want to examine this even further?

How many turbos and games have I played where I have placed myself in a position of reading someone's alignment based on trivia or nothing? Hell, I strongly scum-read someone once for being one of three non-posters. Specifically that player, too, not the other two.

Right now, I have a dead to rights villager in the non-poster pile.

You want me to explain that? I can't. I'm not going to do so. There's absolutely nothing I could possibly say that could make anyone ever come around to understanding how I do that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm dropping that subject Visor, pursue it at our mutual peril.

Continuing ON

[Visor]

Ugh, do you want to examine this even further?

How many turbos and games have I played where I have placed myself in a position of reading someone's alignment based on trivia or nothing? Hell, I strongly scum-read someone once for being one of three non-posters. Specifically that player, too, not the other two.

Right now, I have a dead to rights villager in the non-poster pile.

You want me to explain that? I can't. I'm not going to do so. There's absolutely nothing I could possibly say that could make anyone ever come around to understanding how I do that.

Well, I beat ya there, I have two villagers in the non posting pile. :p

[Askthepizzaguy]

*explodes*

It's the mildest of the mild, because it's Zack, but I want to believe he is enjoying the game on this level because he's a villager.

But I'm sure he could replicate it.


*does a way cooler and more memorable explosion*

Gonan lynch GH d2.


Why are there two votes on Atpg?

Don't trust El Barto, gonan lynch him d3. Haha just kidding I'll be dead by then I suck pepperoni.


finished your thought


Because the mafia is particularly suicidal this game.

Well, except for Visor. He's townish.

Was hoping I'd actually draw more voters toward me here. That's what the bolded was about.

They have a tendency to attack villagers who cannot possibly counterattack all their accusers at once. Plus votes moved off of me


Vote: Jarema

Force read of villager on Visor here became a legit one with this and his follow up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, I beat ya there, I have two villagers in the non posting pile. :p

Yeah but mine is my n0 so he's kind of making this #awkward

j/k I don't have peeks and certainly not n0 ones.

[Punisher]

Oh hai Punisher

What do you think of Raith's vote on you? Do you think he's been a very naughty boy and deserves some kind of behaviorally-triggered negative consequence?

Yes. Yes I do. It was completely out of line.


Also, I concur with atpg's read on Visor, and Visor's read on Jarrema (not as strongly as they do).

vote: Jarrema

[Visor]

idk how you could legitimately have a wolf read on anyone at this point

atpg, i want your thoughts on this post in particular

because it basically stopped my village read of zack dead in its tracks

(and IMO, the jokes between gh and zack could easily be w/w especially because zack will surely find a different focus later today, and I can't even remember if GH is voting zack)

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's in order but not consecutively
Why you never lynch Visor
And why you lynch Jarema and then never lynch Al if Jarema is scum


The tone of this post is completely off for town Jarrema.

Lynch him with great prejudice.


Vote: Jarema


@Pizza

your post was lacking something, figured I'd what you were missing:

*SNIP*


Player list:
1. Askthepizzaguy - town
2. AdmiralKleenex - town
3. Jarema - wolf
4. El Barto - town by posting something relevant to the game
5. atheotes - null
6. BSmith - town by RNG
7. Al Sipsclar - town
8. Double A - null
9. GeneralHankerchief - wolf
10. Seireikhaan - mild wolf lean for using i instead of y on omygodyousuck, clearly faking over the top reaction to make it seem like he doen't care
11. johnhughthom - town by RNG
12. Visor - town
13. edse - null
14. Choxorn - nulll
15. Punisher - null
16. Raith Kemmler - town
17. Golden1Knight - null

i don't know why i did this, but enjoy


if it feels really early and out of the blue thats because it is


sorry bub, i'm the only soulreader in this game

But seriously, voting you there is something I would do in either alignment and you know that, so I have to ask, why did you village read me for it?

Blue: even scum Visor doesn't replicate this train of thought which is less a train and more like a teleportation device, because it's all over the place and doesn't indicate an agenda. Yes, even scum Visor. This read is null in future games.

And Al, because Jarema looks like he blundered legit and I want to see him flip barring some major development today. Then if scum Al is good.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes. Yes I do. It was completely out of line.

Meh!

Mostly I just wanted you guys to attack each other for my own data collection purposes. AORN I think you're both fine.

Just telling you where I'm at.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Punisher let's be mason buddies this game. I promise I will never vote you and vice-versa.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I was gonan invite Visor to be my mason buddy but he's unfortunately spewed himself never my mason buddy, he could only be my peek

U suck visor

[Visor]

I was gonan invite Visor to be my mason buddy but he's unfortunately spewed himself never my mason buddy, he could only be my peek

U suck visor

masons suck

i didn't want to be a part of your masonry anyway >:(

[Visor]

#openlymasoning

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Admiral Kleenex

Thats not your name.

[Sooh]

Vote count:

ATPG (1) - Khaan
AdmiralKleenex (2) - GH, johnhughthom
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, Double A, edse, Punisher

Not voting: atheotes, BSmith, Choxorn, Golden1Knight

[Visor]

Vote: Admiral Kleenex

Thats not your name.

you know i never thought about it like that

[Askthepizzaguy]

Is that a copypasta or did you write that all yourself?
Because if it's the latter then you have my unquestioning vote for, like, at least a couple phases.

Ugh, please tell me that's not what I have to look forward to.

Why do you think I'm probably scum?

Don't like any of this. The first one is bad on its own and the middle one is also possibly bad. The third one is a normal question, but the timing of it feels bad. Before this turns into a tunnel I will just say I can be wrong. I'm not there yet where I absolutely must rip out GH's barely-beating old heart and stomp all over it. But at the same time, his opening feels really weak to me this game, self-conscious, and he doesn't feel engaged. It feels like he's standing back waiting for townies to screw up, imo.

[Askthepizzaguy]

#secretlymasoning
#itsasecrettoeverybody

[Askthepizzaguy]

you know i never thought about it like that
Yeah it's not his name because it's got an unnecessary space in it.

[johnhughthom]

Yeah it's not his name because it's got an unnecessary space in it.

Nothing I do is ever necessary.

[Askthepizzaguy]

atpg, i want your thoughts on this post in particular

because it basically stopped my village read of zack dead in its tracks

(and IMO, the jokes between gh and zack could easily be w/w especially because zack will surely find a different focus later today, and I can't even remember if GH is voting zack)

It's still a really dumb idea. People can pop in and vote for GH and they're not likely to move even if it's several days long.

This isn't a turbo or a long game on a more active site.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nothing I do is ever necessary.

Dead Jarema scum
Dead GH scum

Who would you say is number 3 in that universe based on the current tally

Or is it even findable because of the no voters

[Askthepizzaguy]

Be back in a bit, assisting my lovely person with a thing

[Visor]

It's still a really dumb idea. People can pop in and vote for GH and they're not likely to move even if it's several days long.

This isn't a turbo or a long game on a more active site.

yeah yeah

what are your thoughts on zacks post saying i don't know how you have a wolf read on someone so early

i think its an absolute howler, especially from zack

[GeneralHankerchief]

Don't like any of this. The first one is bad on its own and the middle one is also possibly bad. The third one is a normal question, but the timing of it feels bad. Before this turns into a tunnel I will just say I can be wrong. I'm not there yet where I absolutely must rip out GH's barely-beating old heart and stomp all over it. But at the same time, his opening feels really weak to me this game, self-conscious, and he doesn't feel engaged. It feels like he's standing back waiting for townies to screw up, imo.

I'm glad I only had to read through two pages of suspicion on me before I got to the first legitimate case.

At the time the thread wasn't that active and I wanted more engagement. I legitimately lol'd at the copypasta and then when that line of inquiry ran its course I wanted to get to gametalk. Since I was already interacting with Visor, I asked him a direct question. Visor's response didn't really lend itself to further continuation so I stopped there.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Anyway, in re: the last two pages, my vote's already on Zack, but if it wasn't I would have moved it onto him after the past few exchanges.

[Askthepizzaguy]

yeah yeah

what are your thoughts on zacks post saying i don't know how you have a wolf read on someone so early

i think its an absolute howler, especially from zack
I don't really follow. You'd have to connect the dots for me.

[Visor]

I don't really follow. You'd have to connect the dots for me.

Someone saying I don't know how you have a wolf read on someone so early isn't wolfy to you? Especially when it comes from Zack who has played more than zero games?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm glad I only had to read through two pages of suspicion on me before I got to the first legitimate case.

At the time the thread wasn't that active and I wanted more engagement. I legitimately lol'd at the copypasta and then when that line of inquiry ran its course I wanted to get to gametalk. Since I was already interacting with Visor, I asked him a direct question. Visor's response didn't really lend itself to further continuation so I stopped there.

I don't know what this post is supposed to accomplish. It's not as though I came across your posts and thought this sequence of posts never comes from a villager. I get how they could have occurred. But it looks just as likely that they're scum-GH posts.

I also don't think villager GH really cares about getting "legit" cases as suspicion on him. If you're a villager nonsense votes and "legit" votes and cases on you are the same thing- wrong and lynching a villager. On D1 that this is a thought floating around your brain, I don't follow how villager you thinks this way.

You got time to change my mind. I've tried to remove tunneling from my game but if jarema wasn't being lynched I'd be voting you to death, just fyi. And I am a villager so what do we do here.

[Visor]

Not to cherrypick too much

but he tends to say that a lot more as mafia than he does as town.

that one sentence has thrown him right out of my village leans list

[Askthepizzaguy]

Someone saying I don't know how you have a wolf read on someone so early isn't wolfy to you? Especially when it comes from Zack who has played more than zero games?

Vaguely, if I think about it really hard. But what I'm getting when I do that is a blob of amorphous suspicion that's really small and undefined.

I can't even articulate why it's scummy. Again, someone would have to hold my hand and walk me through it like I'm five and I'm afraid of stepping on the hot lava on the floor that I'm imagining is there.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You are tunneling. I think it might be because it's Sooh's first game and you're going into Hero Mode, I don't precisely care why but you are beyond asking you to stop.

As for changing your mind beyond that I really can't atm since it's day friggin one and like five people out of seventeen have made substantial posts and of those five two of them are us and you've been interacting with the other three.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not to cherrypick too much

but he tends to say that a lot more as mafia than he does as town.

that one sentence has thrown him right out of my village leans list

Cite me a game. Even one game would be helpful, doesn't have to be exact words.

GH looks worse to me, and if they are w/w I need help getting there. And if GH is a villager I need a lot of help here.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also heading out for the next few hours.

[Visor]

Vaguely, if I think about it really hard. But what I'm getting when I do that is a blob of amorphous suspicion that's really small and undefined.

I can't even articulate why it's scummy. Again, someone would have to hold my hand and walk me through it like I'm five and I'm afraid of stepping on the hot lava on the floor that I'm imagining is there.

https://i.imgur.com/5o2oNMl.gif

[Askthepizzaguy]

You are tunneling.

No, I'm saying these posts are pinging to me and I think your explanation feels wrong too.

And that there's a lot of time on the clock to change my mind, and that we'll probably be discussing this d2 if I am not already dead.

So that's the definition of not tunneling.

PS I'm not in hero mode, I made a few reads and a normal amount of posts. Until your description of reality matches reality my suspicion won't go away.

[Visor]

Cite me a game. Even one game would be helpful, doesn't have to be exact words.

GH looks worse to me, and if they are w/w I need help getting there. And if GH is a villager I need a lot of help here.

aspiring rappers IIRC

[Askthepizzaguy]

https://i.imgur.com/5o2oNMl.gif
Bottom line: I don't agree, and I have to twist my brain into knots to agree. And i still don't follow.

[Askthepizzaguy]

aspiring rappers IIRC

Are you gonna make me iso him now

geez

[Visor]

I can give you a game on MU were Zack subbed in and had no problems finding problems with peoples posts pretty much immediately (transformers mafia) as town

so I'm fairly incredulous that someone who has played mafia for longer than me, would (as town) find it hard to believe that he legitimately believes that it is possible to have a wolf read on someone at this point?

if he has that opinion as town i will be utterly mindblown.

[Visor]

Are you gonna make me iso him now

geez

its more an offhand thing for myself that i remember him doing at times as mafia

in any case i certainly don't associate his town game with that

[Visor]

so I'm fairly incredulous that someone who has played mafia for longer than me, would (as town) find it hard to believe that he legitimately believes that it is possible to have a wolf read on someone at this point?

this makes no sense

it is supposed to read I find it incredulous that someone who has played probably more games than me and longer than me would legitimately believe it is impossible (or near enough) to have a wolf read on someone this early into the game

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can give you a game on MU were Zack subbed in and had no problems finding problems with peoples posts pretty much immediately (transformers mafia) as town

so I'm fairly incredulous that someone who has played mafia for longer than me, would (as town) find it hard to believe that he legitimately believes that it is possible to have a wolf read on someone at this point?

if he has that opinion as town i will be utterly mindblown.
Finding people's posts towny or finding them scummy?

Also at the point in question it was very early day one. It's easier to find a post and go that feels villagery.

Something wolfy is a much lower odds of being correct and it has to be something that you think that person probably doesn't do as town, or give some other explanation like they're doing it again here to give themselves cover.

It's more difficult to explain and harder to be confident about.

I'm looking at Rapper's and he's finding it very easy to be suspicious of people and is granting others the right to find people suspicious.

Maybe it's in a particular post that I'm not seeing. I only looked at the first page of his iso

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also just as an aside, even if we're both villagers and correctly accusing a scum, there's a problem if we dominate the discussion and argue over trivial things and ask questions that makes each other go bwuh because it's asking to explain a gut feeling or a layer of thought that is impossible to describe properly.

Here's an example of a post where your reaction might be to go WAT and really, just accept that I'm trying to communicate an idea I think is important and twist your brain until it equals good intentions and coming from a townie and probably a good idea.

Plz

[Visor]

Also at the point in question it was very early day one. It's easier to find a post and go that feels villagery.

How on EARTH are you defending this?

Are you telling me that you believe that zack believes it difficult to have a wolf read so early?

Are you telling me that you believe he has that thought as a town player?

[Askthepizzaguy]

How on EARTH are you defending this?

Are you telling me that you believe that zack believes it difficult to have a wolf read so early?

Are you telling me that you believe he has that thought as a town player?

If it wasn't obvious the first five times I said so, yes, I don't see how he's lock scum from that statement, sue me!

I get that you're suspicious of it but literally all you're doing right now is going OMG PIZZA HE'S SO SCUM HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW THIS

And I go ok, connect the dots

And you go HIS EXPERIENCE MEANS ITS IMPOSSIBLE

And I go ok, how so?

I CANT BELIEVE YOU DONT GET IT

Bottom line: Chill the flip out, man! I don't get it.

I DONT GET IT

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also the org is pissing me off right now it's taking 30-60 seconds to even react to me posting things then it takes another 30-60 seconds to load the page.

GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRFFFFFFFFF It's driving me nuts.

Then it does that thing where I'm typing and then my text suddenly starts appearing on the line on top of where I was typing and it's been doing that for months, and I have no idea why it does that and it's beyond infuriating

[Visor]

Also just as an aside, even if we're both villagers and correctly accusing a scum, there's a problem if we dominate the discussion and argue over trivial things and ask questions that makes each other go bwuh because it's asking to explain a gut feeling or a layer of thought that is impossible to describe properly.

Here's an example of a post where your reaction might be to go WAT and really, just accept that I'm trying to communicate an idea I think is important and twist your brain until it equals good intentions and coming from a townie and probably a good idea.

Plz

Well yes, I'm sure john will come up with a witty line in response to my posting a lot and that'll keep me n check.

But I want to walk through how you think this is a legitimate thought.

You've played mafia for a while now. You and I BOTH know it is possible to have a wolf read on someone early (it doesn't even matter if it is right), just something you feel strongly about at the time anyway. Zack knows this too. Anyone who has played more than 5 games knows this.

I don't understand how he can legitimately have that thought as a town player. I mean its just utterly, utterly wrong, and not in a villagery way.

[Visor]

Also the org is pissing me off right now it's taking 30-60 seconds to even react to me posting things then it takes another 30-60 seconds to load the page.

GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRFFFFFFFFF It's driving me nuts.

Then it does that thing where I'm typing and then my text suddenly starts appearing on the line on top of where I was typing and it's been doing that for months, and I have no idea why it does that and it's beyond infuriating

yeah nah its shitting me off atm

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fair warning, massive post, and probably 100% uninteresting unless your name is Visor.





Well yes, I'm sure john will come up with a witty line in response to my posting a lot and that'll keep me n check.

But I want to walk through how you think this is a legitimate thought.

Thank you.


You've played mafia for a while now. You and I BOTH know it is possible to have a wolf read on someone early (it doesn't even matter if it is right), just something you feel strongly about at the time anyway. Zack knows this too. Anyone who has played more than 5 games knows this.

Yeah. But, "this early" is a very generic idea. So just so I have a better handle on what Im talking about, I'll take another look at this specific circumstance. Specifics are very important. Generically scummy is often wrong because it removes context. Specifically scummy can be refuted because I can see how villager does X, or at the very least I can explain why it's scummy in context.


I don't understand how he can legitimately have that thought as a town player. I mean its just utterly, utterly wrong, and not in a villagery way.

It is possible for it to be a scum mistake, as you say. But, if I'm a villager talking without a filter, I say whatever's on my mind whether it's sound or makes sense or works always or not. Zack could be saying I don't know how you think this player is scum this early, I don't follow, I don't see it, and his specific phrasing can be taken as "I don't think you can have a scum read this early in a game at all."

So there's ambiguity to the meaning.

Typing all this while waiting for the friggen website to load a single page for me.

Angry-bored, another 30 seconds have gone by.

ok here we go.

My opening post, joke vote, joke vote, random vote, standard reply to joke vote, joke vote, solving post, random vote, joke post, omgus vote, joke post, scummy vote by a scummy person, click next page, wait, become infuriated all over again.

Pg2

Joke post, random vote, continuation, solving question, joke post, vote count, joke post, joke post, random and scummy question, joke post, joke/bait post, Visor votes Jarema. Gives serious reasons. Second vote for Jar-Jar. Fluff. GH talking about the fluff. Gh prolly a wolf. Fluff, fluff, fluff, defensive question, explanation, omgus vote, another random and scummy question, snap retort, Zack says visor is town. Visor says Zack is town. Zack says Visor's list feels weird, visor's townie response to that, Zack's 110 post.

I think this is the one you're talking about. Or one of the ones.

Then: explanation, Zack agreeing to lynch GH, double a piles on jar-jar wagon, Visor asks solving question. Response, Visor repeats question @Zack.

Zack explains his vote is a response to GH saying there can be only one.

So that's a bit of a cop-out, but it's also probably very true if Zack is a townie. That can totally be the reason why his vote is there. Odd EB post. Visor asks if Zack is legit wolf reading GH. From the context I don't think that's the case. EB talks about this situation. Joke post. EB interjects. Zack wonders how you could have a legit wolf read on anyone at this point, 123.

So the bolded is what you're referring to and the not bolded is what else happened.

To be fair there's not a whole lot of posts that give me the ability to read people. Much of the game thus far is low-content, fluffy garbage of the type that is normal and expected. Part of the charm of our site here.

Of those posts,

I saw Jarema's posts which are scummy to null, with much less null, GH's posts which are scummy to null and only slightly more null, and to a lesser extent, El Barto's posts being scummy but much more null. Villagers looked like....

Waiting literally five minutes for the page to load page 1 of this game. Bloody hell.

K now after like a 20 minute break, where was I.

Anyway what I got from my role PM was that I am a townie. I'm not the only one. But Visor is also prolly a townie, as I'm reading. GH null, Raith fine/null, Al looks fine, Zack is fine/null, Jarema is scummy, El Barto is null/scummy, GH starting to look worse, Al looks finer, GH looks pretty bad, Khaan is null/fine, Zack is posting but not heavily invested yet. Double A is fine, Jarema is bad, edse is ok/null, Visor still good, Visor nearly lock town. Punisher is town, he's got good reads imo even if they're consensusy. John's vote could be good if Zack is scum, about the only way you can read his alignment so far. GH looks still unengaged and is giving more posts about himself than about finding scums or townies. Then Visor talks about Zack all page and I go I don't get it all page.

I think it's really possible to have scum leans or town leans this early for obvious reasons.

So that point is very much in Visor's favor.

Am I completely sold that Zack meant you can't find scums this early this game, or this early period? I don't know. And GH still looks worse to me.

But, I do have a lot of folks who look townier than Zack. If GH is town or not, it can be possible for my vote to end up on Zack.

In my original five guesses, they'd be the top two to be removed from play. Khaan / John I'm in no rush, and it would be bad to lynch Golden1Knight before he shows up to play.

Put Jarema as the top and El Barto instead of Golden1Knight, and then move El Barto up two or three spaces.

TL;DR



Jarema- legit strong scum read
GH- legit scum read
El Barto- real suspicion
Zack (still not sold)- meh I guess
Khaan only because if he did turn out to be scum I'm super lock clear. Though I don't really care to push it because I should be able to read khaan with more accuracy (lol) in time. Which is a lot of ifs, being me and him both alive in several rounds.


In that order.

I don't really really see Zack as lock scum like you do Visor but after Jarema dies and flips scum, I'd follow you on anyone I don't have a specifically villagery read on. If that's Zack so be it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And the org is still pooping itself, and it's nearing time to make pizza for dinner.

Strong opening to the game despite a lack of style or grace or brevity or villagers being 100 percent simpatico.

Can we not self-destruct on the launch pad for a couple of rounds, and end up with a couple of dead scumbags? If so, that'd be super great, because I've been on a lot of losing village teams lately.

[Double A]

Because…?

Because we're furniture. Obviously.















This just in: You can only multiquote 6 posts at a time, then it starts de-selecting it automatically.

Good jerb

what the crap

[Zack]

A super early d1 scumread on this site, where all the posts (up to that point) are empty fluff, is crap. It's possible, and you can think it, but that doesn't make it legitimate. To definitively call someone scum based on their one line opener is pretty lol.

[Zack]

What kind of promise do you mean?

ATPG, you had no reaction to Jarrema's post before visor swooped in. Now he's lock scum? I don't get it.

[Zack]

AdmiralKleenex - 26

This is me.

super town.

Al Sipsclar - 4

basically nothing so far. I don't think him and Jarrema are w/w. I could see a village Al blindly following Visor, but also a scum Al hopping on a mislynch train. Jarrema's flip will reveal more about Al.

null

Askthepizzaguy - 46

Some of his posts are weird. Like calling specific non-posters town, playing dumb wrt visor's reasoning on me, his read on me/gh (that visor pointed out). But it all still seems generally town.

slight town

atheotes - 1

literally just a sign-up post

null

BSmith - 1

literally just a sign-up post

null

Choxorn - 2

literally just sign-up post(s)

null

Double A - 9

jarrema vote plus two fluff posts

null

edse - 3

Jarema vote plus nothing

null

El Barto - 18

don't let the number deceive you, it's mostly pre-game. atheotes vote, soft-defends atpg, accuses al of replicating visor's votes, calls me wannabe-gh, asks double a why discussion should be tabled (not recognizing the pun apparently).

Barto's tone seems off, and not in the usual loltakhisis way.

slight scum

GeneralHankerchief - 11

there can only be one, cooler explosion, dreading season 3, asks visor why he thinks gh is scum, defense in 167 seems fine, scumreads me without reasoning, makes nonsensical tunneling accusation.

Seems preoccupied with people's thoughts and actions in relation to himself. The tunneling accusation in particular really does not make any sense and feels off.

slight scum

Golden1Knight - 1

literally just a sign-up post

null

Jarema - 4

pizza vote + "why are you making false promises", says to visor "you are better than this" after he votes jarrema.

I don't see anything alignment-indicative from Jarrema. It's well within both his town and scum metas.

null

johnhughthom - 3

votes with gh

null

Punisher - 3

takes offense at someone voting him + agrees with pizza wrt visor + agrees with visor wrt jarrema + votes jarrema.

Pretty low-impact for someone ATPG dragged in here. I do not like it.

slight scum

Raith Kemmler - 3

votes punisher

null

Seireikhaan - 2

votes pizza

null

Visor - 39

lol. The Jarrema read and Zack read, plus general self-righteousness seem town enough coming from visor.

slight town

[Zack]

To summarize:

super town

26 AdmiralKleenex


slight town

46 Askthepizzaguy
39 Visor


null

9 Double A
4 Al Sipsclar
4 Jarema
3 edse
3 johnhughthom
3 Raith Kemmler
2 choxorn
2 khaan
1 atheotes
1 Bsmith
1 GoldenKnight


slight scum

18 el barto
11 gh
3 punisher

[Zack]

I'm fine with jarema/gh wagons. I'm null on jarema but at this point the spew will be informative.

[Zack]

I do wonder why the setup could handle 13, 15, 17 players but not 14, 16, 18. Interesting. I assume 3 or 4 mafia, but there might be a third-party in there.

[Double A]

Oh, john's playing?

unvote, vote: john

[Zack]

thoughts on speed of jarrema wagon compared to others?

[GeneralHankerchief]

We should table this discussion for later.

This post is odd.

[Zack]

It's a joke on the game's theme.

[Zack]

thoughts on speed of jarrema wagon compared to others?
because I don't understand how that wagon grew so quickly when the case is just a tone read based on the two posts jarrema has made, which are maybe 15 words in length combined.

[Zack]

Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, Double A, edse, Punisher
for reference

[Zack]

This post is odd.

gh,

what are your thoughts re: jarrema, punisher, el barto, edse

[GeneralHankerchief]

It's a joke on the game's theme.

:wall:


gh,

what are your thoughts re: jarrema, punisher, el barto, edse

Null x4. I miss random thoughtless D1 lynches.

[Zack]

Okay, so literally your only read is that I am scum. Can you expound on that?

[GeneralHankerchief]

My read is that you're pushing far too hard for D1. Especially because you know how this forum plays. I think you're trying to cement yourself as the town leader this time around, ASAP for whatever reason.

[Zack]

My read is that you're pushing far too hard for D1. Especially because you know how this forum plays. I think you're trying to cement yourself as the town leader this time around, ASAP for whatever reason.

Why does this reasoning apply exclusively to me and not Pizza or Visor? Particularly when I'm under fire for saying:


idk how you could legitimately have a wolf read on anyone at this point

[GeneralHankerchief]

Because I come to expect it more from them than you. Usually it's they act, you react.

[Zack]

Because I come to expect it more from them than you. Usually it's they act, you react.
Pirate Ship Mafia II was all me reacting to pizza and visor apparently.

[GeneralHankerchief]

That was well over three years ago, don't try to say that your game hasn't changed since then.

[Zack]

That was well over three years ago, don't try to say that your game hasn't changed since then.
hard to defend myself when the goalposts keep moving

[Zack]

For a more recent example, I have twice as many posts as the #2 poster in bird mafia. When I subbed in at the end of mafia v. cult, I was being a leader. Plus there are several off-site games I could reference.

Your argument is nonsensical.

[Sooh]

Vote count:

ATPG (1) - Khaan
AdmiralKleenex (2) - GH, johnhughthom
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto
Jarema (4) - Visor, Al Sips, edse, Punisher
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

Not voting: atheotes, BSmith, Choxorn, Golden1Knight

[Raith Kemmler]

thoughts on speed of jarrema wagon compared to others?

It's a less a question of speed methinks and more how credible Visor's "Jarema be scum yo" is being taken. It's not much based off two lines, although Jarema's "Oh come on" is slightly mafia I'll admit.

[Raith Kemmler]

I think I'd rather see General Handkerchief in more contention.

Unvote;

Vote: GH

[El Barto]

Don't like Barto, Jarema can die in a fire, would lynch GH or one of the non-voters that isn't colored in blue.
Why don't you like me?

Be back in a bit, assisting my lovely person with a thing Sooh: please keep the man under control.

Anyway, in re: the last two pages, my vote's already on Zack, but if it wasn't I would have moved it onto him after the past few exchanges.
Seriously? The jarrema lynch is silly and it's either voting you for voting the wannabe-you in a silly manner or him for voting you in a slightly less silly manner. vote: GeneralHankerchief.

[Golden1Knight]

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

[Zack]

Where have ATPG and Visor been all day?

[Visor]

Where have ATPG and Visor been all day?

not in the thread

you do realise i have to sleep at some stage

[Zack]

you've been on skype...

[Visor]

you've been on skype...

so?

I have 40 posts so far in the game. Do you want me to post 100 times today?

The phases are 48 hours not 18 minutes. I don't have to be here all day.

[Zack]

well I posted a lot of stuff, any reaction at all would be nice. There's been basically no opportunity for me to interact with someone, other than GH's ridiculous accusation.

idk why you're so touchy about it, I didn't say it in an accusatory tone or anything

[Al Sipsclar]

I feel it's scummy that zAK is posting reads. Especially, that he's spoilering them.

[seireikhaan]

Unvote: ATPG

Vote: Jarema

Don't y'all dare touch my sweety pie on day one.

[El Barto]

You choose Jarrema? I thought you were going to choose rock.

[Raith Kemmler]

Don't y'all dare touch my sweety pie on day one.


Who?

[Zack]

Who?

generalslankerchief

[Jarema]

It's a less a question of speed methinks and more how credible Visor's "Jarema be scum yo" is being taken. It's not much based off two lines, although Jarema's "Oh come on" is slightly mafia I'll admit.

It was jusst unexpected at this moment to hear from Visor that I am scum. I reacted accordingly.

[Visor]

It was jusst unexpected at this moment to hear from Visor that I am scum. I reacted accordingly.

So what do you think? do you think i am scum? who do you want to lynch?

[Sooh]

Vote count:

AdmiralKleenex (2) - GH, johnhughthom
Khaan (1) - ATPG
GH (4) - AdmiralKleenex, Raith Kemmler, El Barto, Golden1Knight
Visor (1) - Jarema
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, edse, Punisher, seireikhaan
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

Not voting: atheotes, BSmith, Choxorn


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[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG, you had no reaction to Jarrema's post before visor swooped in. Now he's lock scum? I don't get it.

Yeah I did, but the reaction was mostly in my head. Plus asking him a question to get him to explain his awful vote+talking about someone other than the person he voted for post.

[Askthepizzaguy]

To summarize:

super town

26 AdmiralKleenex


slight town

46 Askthepizzaguy
39 Visor


null

9 Double A
4 Al Sipsclar
4 Jarema
3 edse
3 johnhughthom
3 Raith Kemmler
2 choxorn
2 khaan
1 atheotes
1 Bsmith
1 GoldenKnight


slight scum

18 el barto
11 gh
3 punisher

Gonan disagree with the bolded, Jarema seems scummy even for him. I think Punisher is fine.

Otherwise it's basically my list.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I do wonder why the setup could handle 13, 15, 17 players but not 14, 16, 18. Interesting. I assume 3 or 4 mafia, but there might be a third-party in there.

I may have advised Sooh that it's much more common to have an odd number of players so that final 4 situations don't occur unless there's a no lynch or an odd number of vigs or something.

PS I know zero about the setup

[Askthepizzaguy]

This post is odd.

Wow

lol

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

[Askthepizzaguy]

hard to defend myself when the goalposts keep moving

GH actually looking worse than Jarema at this point, and that's really surprising to me.

I'm having trouble believing what I'm seeing. I did not suddenly become an expert GH-the-scum hunter overnight.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Where have ATPG and Visor been all day?

OOG I actually experienced flu-like symptoms after my flurry of activity yesterday. I feel slightly better after sleep and will be able to continue.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote: ATPG

Vote: Jarema

Don't y'all dare touch my sweety pie on day one.


I don't think I make it a habit of trying to lynch GH on day one.

This is literally the worst day one I can recall ever seeing from GH. Painful to hear I'm sure, but it's the truth.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is the equivalent of me suggesting a no-lynch on d1 of one of those swords and d20s games which made more than one person scum read me legitimately without a cop result before n1 began. It's like an ultra rare occurrence.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So there's a ton of time remaining.

@GH

My vote is persuadable, believe it or not. Especially given Jarema. But you've dinged yourself a lot of believability points when you said I was tunneling you.

If you'd like to do more for your survival than simply suggest a counterwagon, may want to talk to me like I'm not crazy and you're also not crazy. Offer's on the table.

[GeneralHankerchief]

How were you not tunneling me? How are you still not tunneling me? You're tunneling on the fact that you're not tunneling me.

[seireikhaan]

No really though, Jarema's a much better lynch. The passive aggressive response to a bunch of nonsense was.... really weird coming from him.

GH, on the other hand, is clearly trying to get in the mindset of the mindless spambot that apparently comprises the entirety of the offsite mafia games we sentenced nominated him for. Need I remind y'all, it's still day 1. Mafia GH would've just yolo'd out of here after a couple posts and let pizza continue to construct his great wall of pizzaboxes and spam. The case against him is entirely stupid and consists of.... worried about him being worried about mafiauniverse or whatever being a huge spam fest? And then rightfully accusing pizza of tunneling... when pizza is/was tunneling? There's one actually worrisome post from him pointing out he'd be off for a bit(something he does basically all the time as mafia) but also has been done a couple times at least as town too, so I'd call that less strong of an indication than Jarema.

Seriously, don't lynch GH day 1.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hell no.

Nope, that's a bunch of crap and I'm not moving off of GH now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm always lynching Jarema day 2 or today if GH isn't the option, but both GH's behavior and Khaan's nonsense just then seals it.

[Choxorn]

Yeah, I don't get why Khaan is defending GH that strongly unless they're scumbuddies, mason partners, or Khaan has a N0 peak and used it on GH. GH's posts just don't feel right to me, so I don't get why town Khaan would get a town read of GH unless masons or cops or something.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

[Zack]

That is not what tunneling is.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Then enlighten me, O Enlightened One(s).