View Full Version : Large Mafia Game French Revolution Mafia [Concluded]
GeneralHankerchief
03-08-2017, 02:45
"Would you realize what Revolution is, call it Progress; and would you realize what Progress is, call it Tomorrow."
~ Hugo
"The French Revolution gave birth to no artists. The only poet of the times was the guillotine."
~ Camus
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Paris, 1793
It is the fifth year of the French Revolution, and its fate is balanced on a guillotine’s edge.
The country is besieged on all sides by enemies, currently fighting against Austria, Prussia, Spain, Portugal, Britain in a fierce war that threatens the new republic’s survival. In response, the governing body of France, the National Convention, has declared a levée en masse, or mandatory conscription of the country’s young men. While the sheer numbers of troops suddenly available to France may even the odds, they still have a long way before turning the tide.
While these external threats are certainly potent, it is the nation’s internal problems that truly threaten to tear France apart. Across the country, particularly in the western region known as the Vendée, counter-Revolutionary violence has sprung up in response to the increasingly radical direction the government has gone in recently. Divided at all levels of society - community, family, church, and more - every individual has had to make a choice: Where exactly do you stand politically? With the stakes of selecting the “wrong” answer to this question growing ever more severe, everyone is on edge.
Louis XVI is dead, sentenced by the Convention and executed by means of that great equalizer, the guillotine. Lafayette and Mirabeau, those great noble heroes of the people, are either in exile or dead. In Paris, the common people, known as the sans-culottes, have taken to patrolling the streets in paramilitary groups in order to enforce their ideals of the way things should be. The optimistic verses of the Revolutionary anthem Ça Ira (“It Will Be Fine”), so popular in 1790 and carrying the hope of every Frenchman that the dreams of 1789 would be realized, have largely been replaced by more bloodthirsty stanzas calling for the death of the aristocrats and priests. The ambitious Constitution of 1793, designed to further the aims of the Revolution and to continue the march towards equality, was suspended before ever going into effect due to the national emergency.
The Revolution’s innocence has departed, and the Reign of Terror has arrived.
In the National Convention, four separate factions vie for power:
- The Mountain (or Montagnards), a fast-rising political group who want to continue the radical turn the Revolution has taken. They are ruthlessly competent, have some of the brightest political thinkers of the era, but have also racked up quite a high body count in pursuit of their goals.
- The Girondins, the formerly-majority party who have lost some of their influence but are still strong. The Girondins are seen as moderate (for those who view that as a good thing) and experienced, but are also increasingly perceived as lazy, corrupt, and largely to blame for France getting into so many wars.
- The Populists, who have seen what the common people of France can do when truly inspired and want to further tap into that power for the sake of the nation. The Populists more than anyone else enjoy the support of the sans-culottes of Paris and elsewhere, but are also disunited in political views (ranging from somewhat moderate to ultra-radical) and are seen as ineffective at actually governing.
- The Militarists, hypercompetent specialists in usually one or two fields who want to put their expertise to better use. The Militarists, if united, can almost certainly do what is needed to keep France afloat, but they are also seen as little more than ambitious technocrats who are largely distrusted by the people (and themselves).
All four of the factions have roughly equal representation in the National Convention, each with their own specific strengths and weaknesses. At the end of the day, only one faction can emerge triumphant and direct the course of the Revolution to their will.
However, what they don’t know is that a fifth faction has secretly infiltrated the Convention: The Royalists. Driven underground but not entirely exterminated despite the Convention’s best efforts, this faction’s greatest desire is to kill everyone else, take back control of the government, and restore a Bourbon to the throne and end the Revolution altogether, a completely unacceptable result for anyone other than themselves.
Will the four main factions put aside their differences long enough to stop the Royalist threat, knowing that only one of them may emerge triumphant at the end? Will the Royalists complete their goal and turn the clock back on the country forever? Will the draconian policies of the Terror be enough to truly safeguard the gains of the Revolution? The world is waiting to find out.
French Revolution Mafia
https://i.imgur.com/BRTh2i1.jpg?1
Overview:
Welcome to French Revolution Mafia! You will play an elected member of the National Convention - the governing body of France during the Reign of Terror - and are part of one of four political factions, as described in the above flavor as well as the rules below. Your job is simple: outnumber the other three factions by the end of the game, and eliminate the Royalists, who have infiltrated the Convention and serve as the mafia faction this game. Maintaining a perfect balance between these two aims will be the key to obtaining victory.
Game setup and rules:
French Revolution Mafia is a game designed for 24 players. Each player will be randomly assigned a role belonging to one of four factions. Once this is decided, a second rand will determine the mafia, who are an unspecified number. This means that, while unlikely, it is theoretically possible for all of the mafia to be a part of one faction.
Each faction will be assigned factional abilities, which will be further described in the “Factional Abilities” section of your role PM. In addition, a small amount of players will have individual personal abilities.
Voting is to be done in the traditional .Org style, like so:
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
Unvote: GeneralHankerchief
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
Simply bolding a name is not enough and will not be counted. Abstain and No Lynch are both allowed. You do not need to unvote (or specify who you are unvoting), but it is appreciated. I will be tallying by hand, so any vote counts made by novice's tool (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152304-Vote-Counter) or other software, while welcome, are unofficial.
Phase lengths will generally run 48/24, with some exceptions (I will be out of town for the first weekend in March, so that one will probably be extended). The start/end times of phases may drift over time as the game progresses - please allow for my work schedule and dedication to providing good flavor.
You may not directly quote role PMs or any other communication from me. No screenshots are to be used.
You may not talk to players outside the game thread or host-provided Quicktopics.
Posts are not to be edited, however, I will give you a one-minute grace window to correct spelling/grammatical errors. No actual content is to be added or deleted. As moderator, I have the power of viewing the original version of an edited post, so I will be checking this!
Tie votes will be decided by random selection.
Inactive players will be handled on a case-by-case basis.
I will lock the public thread at night, however, your individual faction Quicktopics (including the mafia one) will be open 24/7.
Roles and factions will be revealed upon death; individual abilities will not.
There is to be no posting after death, for the first time ever in one of my games (I will allow for one generic comment immediately postdeath). A spectator chat for the dead will be provided.
Lastly, all of the Gameroom rules (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135992-Gameroom-Rules-and-Reference-READ-THIS-BEFORE-PLAYING&p=2053323525&viewfull=1#post2053323525) apply: Be reasonable, friendly, and, of course, have fun! :bow:
Historical disclaimer:
This mafia game is intended to explore two of the most debated historiographical questions of the French Revolution: Were the excesses and killings of the Reign of Terror justified in keeping France secure, and was the Terror necessary in preserving the gains made in 1789 or were they a perversion of the Revolution’s original ideas?
While I have made an effort to remain historically faithful, this game takes place during a very complex period of history and some concessions will have to be made for the sake of simplicity. A partial but by no means complete list of these are as follows:
- The historical Reign of Terror took place during a period of little more than a year, from Spring 1793 to July 1794. I’m condensing its events into a period of around a week.
- I’m setting the game during an indeterminate time in 1793. Events during the period, both early and late, will be cherry-picked and inserted in the game possibly out of chronological order for flavor purposes.
- Not every character I’ve made into a role was an actual delegate of the National Convention.
- During the Terror, many of the characters present in this game were out of Paris on various missions and otherwise for portions of the year. Obviously we will assume that they were all present in the city for the duration of the game.
- The Montagnards were pretty much the dominant political faction for the entire period. Here, I’ve made it more even. This includes some fudging of characters’ political affiliations.
Selected bibliography:
McPhee, Peter. Liberty or Death: The French Revolution. New Haven: Yale University Press, 2015.
Mercier, Louis-Sébastien. Le Tableau de Paris. Edited by Jeremy D. Popkin. State College: Penn State University Press, 1999.
Palmer, R. R. Twelve Who Ruled: The Committee of Public Safety during the Terror. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1941.
Roux, Jacques. “Manifesto of the Enragés.” Translated by Mitchell Abidor. Address presented at the National Convention, Paris, France, 1793. https://www.marxists.org/history/france/revolution/roux/1793/enrages01.htm
Scurr, Ruth. Fatal Purity: Robespierre and the French Revolution. London: Chatto & Windus, 2006.
Tackett, Timothy. The Coming of the Terror in the French Revolution. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2015.
Thompson, J. M. Leaders of the French Revolution. Hoboken: Blackwell Publishing, 1988.
More on factions:
As detailed above, there are four separate factions in this game:
- The Montagnards
- The Girondins
- The Populists
- The Militarists
With the Royalists serving as the mafia.
Each faction has their own unique set of powers. Anybody in the faction can perform any ability at night, however, some abilities are secretly linked to a player known only by me. Upon that player's death, the faction will lose access to that ability. For example, if I (unknowingly) was linked to my faction's 2x vig shot ability, anybody could perform those vig shots, but if I died before those shots were taken, my faction could no longer make use of that ability.
Each faction will have access to a Quicktopic where members can discuss strategy with each other (open both day and night), but there is a chance of your faction being infiltrated by the Royalists, so beware! The Royalists will not be allowed to share these links with each other, nor will they be allowed to excessively quote from them. They will only be permitted to paraphrase bigger-picture stuff.
Only one faction will ultimately win the game, with a single specific exception that will be described in your role PM.
Partway through the game, new abilities or additional uses of present ones may be given to each faction at my discretion. I will not unfairly favor or penalize any one faction when and if this event transpires.
Signed up (24/24):
Montmorency
Csargo
Lewwyn
Renata
Dp101
BSmith
Zack
Arakhor
seireikhaan
Choxorn
atheotes
Kagemusha
Snerk
Fenn
Askthepizzaguy
Sooh
autolycus
Al Sipsclar
El Barto
Jabbz
NotACop
Logic
Manasi
Monstrdude
GeneralHankerchief
03-08-2017, 02:48
Game status and important posts
(This post will be continuously updated throughout the game)
Game status: Postgame!
List of all writeups/other important posts:
Game start (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia&p=2053740827&viewfull=1#post2053740827)
Day 1 - Jabbz is lynched (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053741398&viewfull=1#post2053741398)
Rule clarification about the dead posting in factional Quicktopics (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053741405&viewfull=1#post2053741405)
Night 1 - Fenn, Monstrdude, Logic, and Kagemusha are killed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053741459&viewfull=1#post2053741459)
Winston Hughes replaces Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053741818&viewfull=1#post2053741818)
Day 2 - Arakhor is killed by Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053741870&viewfull=1#post2053741870)
Day 2 - atheotes is lynched (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053741936&viewfull=1#post2053741936)
Night 2 - BSmith and Askthepizzaguy are killed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053741975&viewfull=1#post2053741975)
Day 3 - Dp101 is lynched (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053742254&viewfull=1#post2053742254)
Night 3 - Renata is killed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053742310&viewfull=1#post2053742310)
Announcement on the Yes/No vote and clarification as to what it does (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053742383&viewfull=1#post2053742383)
Day 4 - El Barto is lynched, Law of 22 Prarial passes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053742576&viewfull=1#post2053742576)
Night 4 - autolycus, Al Sipsclar, Snerk, Winston Hughes, seireikhaan, and Montmorency are killed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053742659&viewfull=1#post2053742659)
Day 5 - Lewwyn is lynched (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053742852&viewfull=1#post2053742852)
Night 5 - NotACop is killed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053742917&viewfull=1#post2053742917)
Day 6 - Csargo is lynched (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-Concluded&p=2053743136&viewfull=1#post2053743136)
CONCLUSION (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-Concluded&p=2053743146&viewfull=1#post2053743146)
Postgame - all role PMs (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-Concluded&p=2053743204&viewfull=1#post2053743204)
GeneralHankerchief
03-08-2017, 02:52
General Rules and Guidelines (abridged version)
1. Be excellent to each other.
2. Try to cut down on the profanity if possible. The : daisy : smiley is a good replacement. :daisy:
3. As moderator and game host, I reserve the right to edit posts that I deem breaking the rules/toe too close to the line. In every occasion where this arises I will strive to keep the overall content of these posts unchanged.
4. Questions? Need to vent? Just feel like chatting? PM me.
The full list of Gameroom rules can be found here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135992-Gameroom-Rules-and-Reference-READ-THIS-BEFORE-PLAYING&p=2053323525&viewfull=1#post2053323525)
GeneralHankerchief
03-08-2017, 16:00
"Terror, salutary terror, is here in truth the order of the day. It represses all the efforts of the wicked, it divests crime of all covering."
~ Joseph Fouché
Game start
https://i.imgur.com/blJeIn9.gif
Each successive government in Revolutionary France had its own traits attached to it, as if these bodies were individual persons. The first one, the National Assembly, had been full of hope and promise and ready to work. The second, the Legislative Assembly, had been marred by inefficiency, wrong decisions, and bad feelings among its members. The current one, the National Convention, was far more effective and ruthlessly determined to weed out and destroy all of France's enemies - including and especially those who sat in the very Convention chamber.
This chamber was located in a section of the Tuileries Palace in Paris, capital residence of all the Bourbon monarchs starting with the great Henry IV up through the headless Louis XVI. It once represented the power and prestige of the French monarchy, and now it housed the most anti-monarchist and radical governing body the world had ever seen. In another time, perhaps the members of the Convention - who were all intelligent and were largely well-educated - would reflect on this irony and take the scene in.
Now, though, there was business to attend to. France was in danger, and it was their solemn duty to put a stop to it.
The President of the Convention called the meeting to order, banging on his gavel loudly. "Messieurs," he said several times, trying to get everyone to quiet down, "Messieurs, the next item on the agenda for today is the Law of Suspects (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Suspects), which will build on the earlier Revolutionary Tribunal law and grant this government further power to prosecute its aims against all traitors. We will now hear the arguments."
One of the Montagnards instantly shot up from his bench and commanded the floor. "We of the Mountain believe that this law is an absolute necessity in terms of allowing this august body the tools and powers that it so desperately requires to see France through the current emergency! All of Europe is bearing down on us, the Vendée is in open revolt, and who knows how many agents that the foreign governments and hated Royalists have in their pay scattered throughout the country? Passage of this much-needed law will allow us to clamp down on ALL of the traitors of the nation, not just certain ones! We must be ever-vigilant, ever-diligent, and this law reminds us all to be such!"
This speech was followed by general applause, especially from the speaker's section, but it was not unanimously well-received. A member of the Girondins was next to rise. "Non, I say! You go too far! Citoyens, is this the goal of our Revolution? Is this what we have come to as a people? Those of you who were here in 1789, was this our sacred mission when we set out to reform what had been holding us back? Is this the culmination of July 14, of the foundation of our glorious republic? Indiscriminately killing our own? I say again, non! These are dark times, oui, but they get even darker with misplaced efforts like these which only serve to demonize us amongst both the people and those who we so desperately need to make peace with in order to survive!"
This last line caused somewhat of an uproar, and after much shouting one of the Populists was recognized. "Goes too far, you say? HAH! *I* say this law does not go far enough! When you are building a house, after you have laid the foundation and maybe the walls but not the entire project, when the work gets hard, do you step away and leave your house incomplete? Of course not, you simply work even harder to finish it! Would you leave the work of the Revolution similarly unfinished, you incompetent contractors? Of course, you obviously would... IF YOU WERE A DIRTY ENGLISHMAN WHO COLLECTED ALL OF HIS MONEY AND LEFT MY POOR BROTHER'S FARMHOUSE IN SHAMBLES TO GO CHASE SOME PROVENCAL PEASANT GIRL! Ooh, I swear, if I ever get my hands on him, I... I-I seem to have lost track. The point is that we cannot stop now simply because we are in an emergency. If anything, we must progress ever onward because we are in an emergency!" He sat down, somewhat red-faced.
Finally, the designated speaker for the Militarists stood up, coughing and adjusting his notes. "We of the Militarists have concerns that need to be addressed before we can add our support to this bill. First of all, practicality. The judicial system will be heavily burdened with the additional suspects that need to be tried and otherwise dealt with under the parameters of this proposed bill. Where will the money come from to hire additional personnel and build new facilities to accommodate this need? It cannot be taken from the war effort or anything that remotely touches upon that. How will these new judges be trained? Secondly, efficiency. Is there a way that the goals of this can be accomplished in a less costly and time-consuming manner for the populace? Thirdly, duration. One of my colleagues has discovered that the wording of this bill is very open-ended about when precisely the contents are to expire. In short, unless and until these issues are handled, the Militarists will-" - there was some commotion outside - "Will..." - the commotion grew louder, the members could hear screaming....
"Will..."
BANG! The main doors blasted open and a series of progressively softer thuds could be heard. Something was rolling down the aisle, though most had to strain their heads to see what it was until the President reached down to pick it up.
"A head! Of one of our unaligned members! Messiuers, one of our own has been brutally slaughtered!"
Instantly the Convention erupted into outrage. The President sighed to himself. "I knew I should have led off with the second part," he muttered, before banging his gavel repeatedly. After about five minutes of this, people finally settled down enough for him to speak.
"Messiuers, there is a note attached. It says 'You argue about which of you gets to drive the carriage when the horse is leading you off a cliff. No law can stop us. We have penetrated every facet of society including this very Convention. We are not dead and France will return to its rightful rulers. More will follow. Vive les Bourbons!'"
Even more pandemonium followed this. The Royalists were back and they were out for blood! They were even hidden among the members of the Convention itself! Potentially, this was the one thing that could unite the Convention and the country - provided that the will to unite was there in the first place.
In the meantime though, due to this shocking turn of events, the Law of Suspects - with a hastily-added amendment that stipulated that members of the Convention would pass judgment on their own until the emergency elapsed - passed nearly unanimously. The Reign of Terror was on and nobody - not even the members of the Convention itself - was safe.
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OOC: It is now Day 1. You are voting to lynch. The proper format for doing so is as follows:
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
Vote changes are to be made like so:
Unvote: GeneralHankerchief
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
You do not have to specify who you are unvoting or even unvote at all, but it is appreciated.
Voting will last until 10:00 AM US Eastern Time on Friday, March 10th.
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Still alive:
Al Sipsclar
Arakhor
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
autolycus
BSmith
Choxorn
Csargo
Dp101
El Barto
Fenn
Jabbz
Kagemusha
Lewwyn
Logic
Manasi
Monstrdude
Montmorency
NotACop
Renata
seireikhaan
Snerk
Sooh
Zack
vote: Manasi
Welcome to the Org! ~:wave:
By the way, be sure to check out our smilies. We have awesome smilies.
Monstrdude
03-08-2017, 16:08
softclaim role cop
n0 monstrdude rolecop
softclaim role cop
n0 monstrdude rolecop
lolyou GH hates cops.
Montmorency
03-08-2017, 16:16
Not French ones.
So, mass reveal factions? Bring the counter-revolution into the light.
Vote: Pizza
Hasn't been the wrong choice yet.
Also, this game is going to be so great! I'm feeling a lot better about myself after managing to focus and get my work done on time for the crust time in ages, and no longer feel like a failure. Now, I feel like I have energy to go back to my previous style of play, full of constant tone reads and crazy tinfoils. Let's kill those filthy royalists together!
Montmorency
03-08-2017, 16:19
Vote: DP
Not French ones.
So, mass reveal factions? Bring the counter-revolution into the light.
I've yet to figure out if this is a good idea or not. Keeping the factions secret seems kind of pointless, as we all want to kill each other regardless, but at the same time it seems like everything could go horribly wrong.
This is why Dp is one of my favorite players. <3
Monty, on the other hand, is trying to suck all the fun out of everything.
Montmorency
03-08-2017, 16:21
This is why Dp is one of my favorite players. <3
Monty, on the other hand, is trying to suck all the fun out of everything.
Shouldn't we know when someone is voting to lynch against a royalist, and when someone is voting to lynch against a rival?
This is why Dp is one of my favorite players. <3
Monty, on the other hand, is trying to suck all the fun out of everything.
<3!
Shouldn't we know when someone is voting to lynch against a royalist, and when someone is voting to lynch against a rival?
Shouldn't that become clear from people's arguments?
Shouldn't we know when someone is voting to lynch against a royalist, and when someone is voting to lynch against a rival?
Reveals would only present the illusion of certainty.
Montmorency
03-08-2017, 16:23
Shouldn't that become clear from people's arguments?
By the time our enemies are known to us, it will be too late to divert them.
Montmorency
03-08-2017, 16:24
Reveals would only present the illusion of certainty.
Are you saying the post-mortem investigations are invalid?
Are you saying the post-mortem investigations are invalid?
No, I'm saying that all of us revealing our factions and then playing from there would not be as revealing of people's motivations as you think. Faction members would still be trying to whittle down opposing numbers whenever they could get away with it. Royalists would still be hiding their motivations.
All it does is remove the fun of trying to hide your own faction alliances and to ferret out connections between other players.
https://i.imgur.com/5wknuV7.jpg
This is why Dp is one of my favorite players. <3
Monty, on the other hand, is trying to suck all the fun out of everything.
How was it fun. Do you mean it was aggressively cheerful?
I just noticed your undertitle. *tinfoils*
How was it fun. Do you mean it was aggressively cheerful?
Those comments are not connected and probably should have been in different posts with proper reply chains and stuff but I got lazy.
vote: Manasi
Welcome to the Org! ~:wave:
By the way, be sure to check out our smilies. We have awesome smilies.
Oh jeez, hi.
Okay.
Nice.
Hi everyone.
N0 Zack etc.
Montmorency
03-08-2017, 16:31
No, I'm saying that all of us revealing our factions and then playing from there would not be as revealing of people's motivations as you think. Faction members would still be trying to whittle down opposing numbers whenever they could get away with it. Royalists would still be hiding their motivations.
All it does is remove the fun of trying to hide your own faction alliances and to ferret out connections between other players.
In secrecy our convention cannot help but indulge in tyranny, against the genuine pressing needs of the country.
https://i.imgur.com/5wknuV7.jpg
can u relax
Omfg 20s posting limit help how will I survive
Against faction reveals. I think... Scum is scum, even if its in my faction or another faction. Scum is scummy and as long as we all partake of scumhunting in the main thread then scum will be caught out.
Omfg 20s posting limit help how will I survive
maybe you shouldn't.
Vote: Manasi
maybe you shouldn't.
Vote: Manasi
Oi get off me m8
How was it fun. Do you mean it was aggressively cheerful?
Hey, being cheerful is a rare thing for me, please, allow me to wallow in it for a few hours st least.
Can't blame Renata becuase she's chronically horrendous but who r u
Lolmassclaimingd1.
hi hi hihihihih hi hi hi hihihi hihi hi hi i
Can't blame Renata becuase she's chronically horrendous but who r u
U wot m8
Montmorency
03-08-2017, 16:42
Lolmassclaimingd1.
OK, you're with me then.
Monstrdude
03-08-2017, 16:43
lolyou GH hates cops.
So did pizzaguy but that didn't stop me from being a cop before
~:wave:
button mashing to see if u responded and i'm p sure i broke my finger
OK, you're with me then.
Wait, I thought you were in favour of everyone revealing their groupings?
Montmorency
03-08-2017, 16:45
If I were somebody else, I would recommend a Quota to prevent any one faction membership from standing 2 apart from any other faction, until the player count dipped below 10.
Montmorency
03-08-2017, 16:45
Wait, I thought you were in favour of everyone revealing their groupings?
Yeah, I'm gonna say he's part of my faction.
How you like me now?
Can't blame Renata becuase she's chronically horrendous but who r u
Well that didn't take long. I'm just going to throw hearts your way until you love me. :sweetheart:
Yeah, I'm gonna say he's part of my faction.
How you like me now?
*looks up faction roster*
Awww.....
Yeah, I'm gonna say he's part of my faction.
How you like me now?
I love you too Monty. It's the Org. I love everybody.
Yeah, I'm gonna say he's part of my faction.
How you like me now?
I'm still trying to figure out how this helps anyone, or if it just doesn't.
*looks up faction roster*
Awww.....
Ooh, interesting.
Monstrdude
03-08-2017, 16:51
I hate everyone and everything
you're all bad at math and I hope each and every one of you gets scurvy
<3 see you after school everyone
I hate everyone and everything
you're all bad at math and I hope each and every one of you gets scurvy
<3 see you after school everyone
Missed you too Timmy boy
If I were somebody else, I would recommend a Quota to prevent any one faction membership from standing 2 apart from any other faction, until the player count dipped below 10.
Quotas are unconstitutional.
GeneralHankerchief
03-08-2017, 17:03
Tally, one hour in:
Manasi: 2 | Renata (5), Lewwyn (30)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 | Dp101 (9)
Dp101: 1 | Montmorency (10)
Numbers after names represent the post number the vote was cast.
I'll probably revert to using abbreviated names as the game progresses.
I'm still trying to figure out how this helps anyone, or if it just doesn't.
It doesn't, and more importantly it's lame.
Quotas are unconstitutional.
Besides, our faction is going to :duel: all the others by day three, right Zack?
GeneralHankerchief
03-08-2017, 17:04
Oh, and I'll also try to post the timer with each tally I do, but in case I forget (like I just did :tongue:) you will always be able to find the timer in Post 2 of the thread.
Besides, our faction is going to :duel: all the others by day three, right Zack?
:quiet:
Montmorency
03-08-2017, 17:06
Quotas are unconstitutional.
By articles 50 and 51 of the Constitution of 1793:
50. Fifty members have the right to demand a call by names.
51. It has the right of censorship on the conduct of the members in its midst.
Also, Article 43:
43. The deputies can, at no time, be held answerable, accused or condemned on account of opinions uttered within the legislative body.
Montmorency
03-08-2017, 17:06
I'm going to break you two up.
Just want Zack to lead me to victory. :(
Currently in four games someone send help.
By articles 50 and 51 of the Constitution of 1793:
Also, Article 43:
Article 52: just play the damn game
Montmorency
03-08-2017, 17:14
Article One: That's Terror.
Article Two: That's Terror.
Kagemusha
03-08-2017, 17:16
Hello you new people whose language i hardly understand! I come in peace and vote:Csargo Who is known to be scum more often then not. What say you whose name bears a resemble to the very thing we so much despise?
Article One: That's Terror.
Article Two: That's Terror.
That's heresy!
Just want Zack to lead me to victory. :(
Currently in four games someone send help.
:titanic:
Hello you new people whose language i hardly understand! I come in peace and vote:Csargo Who is known to be scum more often then not. What say you whose name bears a resemble to the very thing we so much despise?
Kagemusha! Damn I wish you were on my team. Now I have to kill you.
unvote: Manasi
vote: Kagemusha
Kagemusha
03-08-2017, 17:26
Kagemusha! Damn I wish you were on my team. Now I have to kill you.
unvote: Manasi
vote: Kagemusha
Milady! I am always in your team.~:grouphug:...Even when you have to kill me...
Milady! I am always in your team.~:grouphug:...Even when you have to kill me...
:shame:
unvote: Kagemusha
vote: Csargo
It's the least I can do.
Bonjour!
Vote: Snerk
A snerk marches on his stomach.
Anyway, to business. El Barto AKA Jean Baptiste Bernadotte has declared his royalist ambitions. Off with his head!
vote: El Barto
That or a preemptive renata lynch for improved thread-ease-of-readage.. :)
That or a preemptive renata lynch for improved thread-ease-of-readage.. :)
Boo.
:shame:
unvote: Kagemusha
vote: Csargo
It's the least I can do.
Stop trying to spew your faction mates and royalist friends as being unaligned with you, it won't work. :smug:
Stop trying to spew your faction mates and royalist friends as being unaligned with you, it won't work. :smug:
unvote: Csargo
vote: Zack
I'm gonna vote the whole thread by end of day if I can help it. :D
Boo.
Furthermore, not letting Renate get away with posting hidden messages in public this game.
These are the first letters of her posts so far: Vltrnitwibk
What Renate didn't know, is that I am fluent in Polish and thus able to decipher her code. "Vltrnitwibk" means nothing less than "long live the king!" J'accuse, madame!!!!
Furthermore, not letting Renate get away with posting hidden messages in public this game.
These are the first letters of her posts so far: Vltrnitwibk
What Renate didn't know, is that I am fluent in Polish and thus able to decipher her code. "Vltrnitwibk" means nothing less than "long live the king!" J'accuse, madame!!!!
Well played. :sweatdrop:
unvote: Csargo
vote: Zack
I'm gonna vote the whole thread by end of day if I can help it. :D
Vote: Renata
pls
Soooooo... How long are these phases?
Why's it so slow? :(
Soooooo... How long are these phases?
Why's it so slow? :(
Read the rules bub.
Vote: Renata
pls
Shoo, you already had your turn.
Lol, Manasi's going to lose her mind with no one here half the time to talk to except me.
GeneralHankerchief
03-08-2017, 18:29
Tally as of post 79:
Manasi: 1 | Lewwyn (30)
ATPG: 1 | Dp101 (9)
Dp101: 1 | Monty (10)
Ap Sipsclar: 1 | BSmith (54)
Csargo: 1 | Kage (63)
Snerk: 1 | Sooh (69)
El Barto: 1 | Snerk (71)
Zack: 1 | Renata (75)
Renata: 1 | Manasi (78)
Round ends:
Tally as of post 79:
Manasi: 1 | Lewwyn (30)
ATPG: 1 | Dp101 (9)
Dp101: 1 | Monty (10)
Ap Sipsclar: 1 | BSmith (54)
Csargo: 1 | Kage (63)
Snerk: 1 | Sooh (69)
El Barto: 1 | Snerk (71)
Zack: 1 | Renata (75)
Renata: 1 | Manasi (78)
Round ends:
https://i.imgur.com/yIAGZhm.png
I swear that image gets fuzzier every time I see it.
autolycus
03-08-2017, 18:32
I vote:NotACop. His name is clearly trying to mask his previous time as a gendarme serving the Bourbons, who continue to be his true masters!
I swear that image gets fuzzier every time I see it.
https://i.imgur.com/8EaPVLp.png
Why's it so slow? :(
I happen to think that it is just about right. :book2:
Needs more wagon. unvote, vote: Renata
https://i.imgur.com/8EaPVLp.png
You pain me.
I happen to think that it is just about right. :book2:
You're one of the good guys BSmith. Despite all the rumours. I don't pay much heed to them anyway.
You're one of the good guys BSmith. Despite all the rumours. I don't pay much heed to them anyway.
You can go your own way.
Read the rules bub.
I dun wanna.
You can go your own way.
Loving you
Isn't the right thing to do
How can I ever change things that I feel?
48/24 WHAT IS THIS ZACK WHAT HAVE YOU MADE ME SUBMIT MYSELF TO FUCK KJFGHWRKJGWHKEJHWKEGJHK
You can go your own way.
The Snerk way? Sounds like a depraved path to follow.
I dun wanna.
I feel you brah..
I dun wanna.
https://i.imgur.com/R0TxUiA.gif
https://i.imgur.com/R0TxUiA.gif
Look I did it can we be friends again miss you
Omgosh what is this thanks thing I love it
I think a Fleetwood Mac reference just flew over my head..
I think a Fleetwood Mac reference just flew over my head..
You can take me to paradise,
And then again you can be cold as ice
Omgosh what is this thanks thing I love it
With great power comes great responsibility.
You can take me to paradise,
And then again you can be cold as ice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2X2AhATU_8
unvote: Csargo
vote: Zack
I'm gonna vote the whole thread by end of day if I can help it. :D
You haven't voted me yet.
You can take me to paradise,
And then again you can be cold as ice
I approve. Needs more Stevie Nicks though.
You can go your own way.
Ooh oooh Song reference! I got this one!
I approve. Needs more Stevie Nicks though.
I climbed a mountain and I turned around
And I saw my reflection in the snow-covered hills
Not sure how we got here but I'm glad we did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrZRURcb1cM
You haven't voted me yet.
unvote: Zack
vote: Sooh
Your wish is my command!
GeneralHankerchief
03-08-2017, 19:09
unvote: Zack
vote: Sooh
Your wish is my command!
You're doing this to me on purpose, aren't you?
You're doing this to me on purpose, aren't you?
:creep:
Maybe?
Greetings
Lets put Manasi out of her misery
Vote: Manasi
Greetings
Lets put Manasi out of her misery
Vote: Manasi
Hey Euro how about you be right for once buddy
Hey Euro how about you be right for once buddy
I would never be wrong for voting you :laugh4:
*tips fedora* in awe of your magnificent avatar
There's no way I'm going to be able to keep up if the game lengthens by 100 posts every three hours. :dizzy2:
Vote: Manasi.
Askthepizzaguy
03-08-2017, 19:39
Vote: Renata
Gasp! Oh horrors!
seireikhaan
03-08-2017, 19:40
Hello, everyone, I'd like to welcome you to another day of "the joys of lynching." If this is your first time with us, then I personally invite you to grab your torches and pitchforks and deliver some justice along with the rest us. Over the next few days, we'll go over a variety of tactics to flush out royalists, and with any luck, we'll make this a nice, quick game. So, thanks for joining us, and let us get started. Now, I have to say, my first thought here is that NotACop is looking pretty suspicious. The fedora is, secretly, a sign of the royal family, and boy that sure makes me think that he must be looking to find some unsavory friends with a post like that.
Vote: NotACop
Gasp! Oh horrors!
Gasping at the horror of France casting off the shackles of her oppression and forging its own destiny?
Askthepizzaguy
03-08-2017, 19:42
Gasping at the horror of France casting off the shackles of her oppression and forging its own destiny?
Renata's oppression, I'm sure.
Off with her head!
Vote: Renata
Gasp! Oh horrors!
Great, the great destroyer has arrived :p
GeneralHankerchief
03-08-2017, 19:49
Tally as of post 120:
Manasi: 3 | Lewwyn (30), NotACop (112), Arakhor (115)
Renata: 3 | Manasi (78), Snerk (89), ATPG (116)
NotACop: 2 | autolycus (86), seireikhaan (117)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 | Dp101 (9)
Dp101: 1 | Montmorency (10)
Al Sipsclar: 1 | BSmith (54)
Csargo: 1 | Kagemusha (63)
Snerk: 1 | Sooh (69)
Sooh: 1 | Renata (109)
Round ends:
Askthepizzaguy
03-08-2017, 19:51
Great, the great destroyer has arrived :p
You still haven't seen me be a light side jedi. Don't worry, it is as underwhelming as my sithness is impressive.
Vote: Renata
Gasp! Oh horrors!
Pizza! How I have missed lynching your scummy butt.
Good vote. No one will ever suspect you're distancing.
You still haven't seen me be a light side jedi. Don't worry, it is as underwhelming as my sithness is impressive.
We're all scum in this game in a way, so you should shine. Me, I'm just having fun until my inevitable early death.
Not sure how we got here but I'm glad we did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrZRURcb1cM
<3
Unvote: Zack
Vote: Renata
Gasp! Oh horrors!
Les horreurs?
nah
Askthepizzaguy
03-08-2017, 19:58
We're all scum in this game in a way, so you should shine. Me, I'm just having fun until my inevitable early death.
Nuts to that, I'm playing this game as if it were all town factions versus scum.
And if you're scum, your early death is about as inevitable as me lurking through a game.
Nuts to that, I'm playing this game as if it were all town factions versus scum.
You're almost as bad as Monty.
And if you're scum, your early death is about as inevitable as me lurking through a game.
Eh, I'm not. All this hiding your faction-mates business has me feeling a bit like one, though. I'm a bit giddy with all the pointless derring-do, if you hadn't noticed. :)
seireikhaan
03-08-2017, 20:20
Pizza! How I have missed lynching your scummy butt.
Good vote. No one will ever suspect you're distancing.
So folks, here we have a nice little case of what we'll call "wifom". Now I don't see this back and forth meaning all that much, and it's always a happy time to be with Askthepizzaguy and Renata, so I'm not going to vote on this, but if this is the sort of thing that makes you feeling just a bit paranoid, feel free to start votes on either one.
Washing your hands of the whole business, Khaan?
#smashthestate
Or, that is, prevent the former state, which is smashed, from un-smashing itself.
Vote: BSmith
seireikhaan
03-08-2017, 20:32
Washing your hands of the whole business, Khaan?
Well now there's no need to be washing our hands until we've settled on a lynch. Of course you don't want the blood to get stained into the skin, but I don't think we'll be doing any scrubbing until our first mislynch. Unless we feel like getting real crazy and start mixing our colors. Hmm, you know, that might be a good idea, actually, but we'll be wanting to play that by ear, I think.
Askthepizzaguy
03-08-2017, 20:35
Going to check out of the thread for about 12 hours, so as not to spam in it.
Scummy pop-out.
Well now there's no need to be washing our hands until we've settled on a lynch. Of course you don't want the blood to get stained into the skin, but I don't think we'll be doing any scrubbing until our first mislynch. Unless we feel like getting real crazy and start mixing our colors. Hmm, you know, that might be a good idea, actually, but we'll be wanting to play that by ear, I think.
Only royalty would be concerned with getting blood on them. Get him! Vote: Seireikhann
There's no way I'm going to be able to keep up if the game lengthens by 100 posts every three hours. :dizzy2:
Vote: Manasi.
Eh? I'm not even posting that much.
Al Sipsclar
03-08-2017, 22:13
Aux armes, citoyens! Reading up. :rolleyes:
Une déclaration rigide: Le Survivor.
Jacuzzi: BSmith
GeneralHankerchief
03-08-2017, 22:21
Aux armes, citoyens! Reading up. :rolleyes:
Une déclaration rigide: Le Survivor.
Jacuzzi: BSmith
FYI, I'm counting this as a vote, but in the future, all votes do need to be made with the valid Vote: ______ tag, roleplaying or not.
Yay! I win a jacuzzi! When can I pick up my prize?
Also - what madness is this? I have more posts than Pizza. :crazy:
Yay! I win a jacuzzi! When can I pick up my prize?
Also - what madness is this? I have more posts than Pizza. :crazy:
That is wrong. Must be scum.
unvote:Sooh
vote: BSmith
19527
I hate everyone and everything
you're all bad at math and I hope each and every one of you gets scurvy
<3 see you after school everyone
How dare you! I'm excellent at math, good sir, and I only have a little bit of scurvy!
Vote: Monstrdude
Eh? I'm not even posting that much.
My first vote in any game can be safely disregarded. I was actually being serious though.
My first vote in any game can be safely disregarded. I was actually being serious though.
It's ok. I'm multitabling so I won't be able to 600 post like I have before. You're safe from my spam bby.
Hey folks. Back, no new drugs on board, and caught up. Good times will be had by all I'm sure. For an early vote I'm torn between Renata and her attempt at gaining credibilty by being able to point to the first scum lynched and saying "See! I voted for him/her/it on day one!" and seireikhaan for putting Bob Ross's voice into my head. I don't think I can actually vote to lynch bob though, he did squash that Spanish faker Pablo Diego José Francisco de Paula Juan Nepomuceno María de los Remedios Cipriano de la Santísima Trinidad Ruiz y Picasso in a rap battle that was truly epic, doing all true Frenchmen a service.
Vote: Renata
Dang that's such a good plan I should have thought of it.
unvote: BSmith
vote: Jabbz
El Barto
03-09-2017, 00:04
Due to pre-announced circumstances I have to be mostly away from this.
Random.org says vote: atheotes
Lies. Random.org never says atheotes.
Lies. Random.org never says atheotes.
Exaggerated reaction
Followed by
Vote on Barto
Monstrdude
03-09-2017, 01:09
19527
How dare you! I'm excellent at math, good sir, and I only have a little bit of scurvy!
Vote: Monstrdude
Wow this is not how friendship operates
I degrade you and you just take it
I'm offended that you would talk down to me like this
that's it, I quit mafia forever
Monstrdude
03-09-2017, 01:10
vote sooh for being the first one who's joke (?) doesn't quite make sense
I feel like I can cut the thick and creamy tension in her posting with a spoon
Monstrdude
03-09-2017, 01:14
whose
I apologize for my horrible mistake in using the correct form of the word
i have failed you all :(
GeneralHankerchief
03-09-2017, 01:16
Tally as of post 151: Survivor is on soon and I want to get this in beforehand edition:
Renata: 4 | Manasi (78), Snerk (89), ATPG (116), Jabbz (143)
Manasi: 3 | Lewwyn (30), NotACop (112), Arakhor (115)
BSmith: 2 | Fenn (131), Al Sipsclar (136)
NotACop: 2 | autolycus (86), seireikhaan (117)
Jabbz: 2 | Renata (144), Zack (145)
seireikhaan: 1 | Dp101 (134)
Dp101: 1 | Montmorency (10)
Al Sipsclar: 1 | BSmith (54)
Csargo: 1 | Kagemusha (63)
Monstrdude: 1 | Choxorn (140)
atheotes: 1 | El Barto (146)
Sooh: 1 | Monstrdude (151)
Round ends:
For a second I thought that the numbers next to the votes were postcounts and got really scared.
That's a suspiciously large number of 'random' votes for Renata rather quickly...
That's a suspiciously large number of 'random' votes for Renata rather quickly...
The implication being that votes for manasi aren't?
That's a suspiciously large number of 'random' votes for Renata rather quickly...
They love me. That's how they show their affection.
Nuts to that, I'm playing this game as if it were all town factions versus scum.
And if you're scum, your early death is about as inevitable as me lurking through a game.
Not that I trust you. But that is my hope. Finding scum has to be done in the main thread so as long as people put aside their factional differences within thread we should be able to catch the scum.
Askthepizzaguy
03-09-2017, 03:24
I have some time to take a look and here's my look. This is my impression of who is not a royalist and getting voted right now.
Renata: 4 | Manasi (78), Snerk (89), ATPG (116), Jabbz (143)
Manasi: 3 | Lewwyn (30), NotACop (112), Arakhor (115)
BSmith: 2 | Fenn (131), Al Sipsclar (136)
NotACop: 2 | autolycus (86), seireikhaan (117)
atheotes: 1 | El Barto (146)
^My guess is all these votes are misses
Jabbz: 2 | Renata (144), Zack (145)
seireikhaan: 1 | Dp101 (134)
Dp101: 1 | Montmorency (10)
Al Sipsclar: 1 | BSmith (54)
Csargo: 1 | Kagemusha (63)
Monstrdude: 1 | Choxorn (140)
Sooh: 1 | Monstrdude (151)
Not sure what to think about these, I'd guess at least 5 townies being voted in this group.
I feel roughly about here due to all the posts so far, and the vote count as it stands.
Askthepizzaguy
Renata
Manasi
BSmith
NotACop
atheotes
Montmorency
Snerk
Monstrdude
Kagemusha
Zack
seireikhaan
Lewwyn
Csargo
Logic
Choxorn
If I had to place a serious vote, I'd guess there are 3 scums reside inside these 8, with my vote going most likely toward the bottom pile.
Sooh
Dp101
Jabbz
Fenn
Arakhor
autolycus
Al Sipsclar
El Barto
Is that post supposed to be ironic or something?
They love me. That's how they show their affection.
Yeah, yeah that's it! Totally. Uhm. Exactly what I meant!
Vote: Jabbz
gg
I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids!
I have some time to take a look and here's my look. This is my impression of who is not a royalist and getting voted right now.
^My guess is all these votes are misses
Not sure what to think about these, I'd guess at least 5 townies being voted in this group.
I feel roughly about here due to all the posts so far, and the vote count as it stands.
Askthepizzaguy
Renata
Manasi
BSmith
NotACop
atheotes
Montmorency
Snerk
Monstrdude
Kagemusha
Zack
seireikhaan
Lewwyn
Csargo
Logic
Choxorn
If I had to place a serious vote, I'd guess there are 3 scums reside inside these 8, with my vote going most likely toward the bottom pile.
Sooh
Dp101
Jabbz
Fenn
Arakhor
autolycus
Al Sipsclar
El Barto
This is a lot of reads for seemingly a lot of fluff stuff. ATPG idk if we've ever played together, I just remember you yelling at me for an MU game. Are you the goatest?
Hello you new people whose language i hardly understand! I come in peace and vote:Csargo Who is known to be scum more often then not. What say you whose name bears a resemble to the very thing we so much despise?
I don't know what you're talking about Kage :rolleyes:
I have some time to take a look and here's my look. This is my impression of who is not a royalist and getting voted right now.
^My guess is all these votes are misses
Not sure what to think about these, I'd guess at least 5 townies being voted in this group.
I feel roughly about here due to all the posts so far, and the vote count as it stands.
Askthepizzaguy
Renata
Manasi
BSmith
NotACop
atheotes
Montmorency
Snerk
Monstrdude
Kagemusha
Zack
seireikhaan
Lewwyn
Csargo
Logic
Choxorn
If I had to place a serious vote, I'd guess there are 3 scums reside inside these 8, with my vote going most likely toward the bottom pile.
Sooh
Dp101
Jabbz
Fenn
Arakhor
autolycus
Al Sipsclar
El Barto
The Oracle has spoken, but what does it mean...
This is a lot of reads for seemingly a lot of fluff stuff. ATPG idk if we've ever played together, I just remember you yelling at me for an MU game. Are you the goatest?
That was my thought. Wagon analysis and 11 town reads at this point in the game? Not sure if I buy that's legitimate.
I see the game has finally started.
Askthepizzaguy
03-09-2017, 03:49
This is a lot of reads for seemingly a lot of fluff stuff. ATPG idk if we've ever played together, I just remember you yelling at me for an MU game. Are you the goatest?
No, if I were smart I'd keep my reads to myself as they're unlikely to affect the outcome of this round. Treating the game as town v mafia is also naive but I'm not going for smartest play here, I'm going for having the strongest d1 reads, mostly so I can say my town game isn't shit.
But there's more to it than reads and that's the part I have trouble with.
Montmorency
03-09-2017, 03:50
Nuts to that, I'm playing this game as if it were all town factions versus scum.
And if you're scum, your early death is about as inevitable as me lurking through a game.
Uh-oh.
I think Zack, Renata, Pizza, are the evil. And DP.
But Pizza is the best of them. But we need the multimultiball. Debauchery at zero.
Unvote; Vote: DP101
hoo hoo hoo
Montmorency
03-09-2017, 03:51
:daisy:. I was already voting DP.
I didn't really want to get into this with an "analyze ATPG" session, but you put it out there when you could have just played silly buggers like me. Without getting too spammy, can you please justify your top three and bottom four reads?
LolMonty.
I won't kill you first.
Without getting too spammy, can you please justify your top three and bottom four reads?
Talk about me, who cares about those other people. :yes:
That was my thought. Wagon analysis and 11 town reads at this point in the game? Not sure if I buy that's legitimate.
Yeah nah I don't believe he actually believes it, maybe just reaction testing or something.
Talk about me, who cares about those other people. :yes:
r e t w e e t
I mean about me... Not Zack.
Obviously.
:embarassed:
Yeah nah I don't believe he actually believes it, maybe just reaction testing or something.
Oh dear.
Talk about me, who cares about those other people. :yes:
You're just jealous you don't rate as high as me and Manasi.
You're just jealous you don't rate as high as me and Manasi.
I'm actually curious why I'm not null. There's no reason why I should be anything else.
I'm actually curious why I'm not null. There's no reason why I should be anything else.
There's no reason why 90% of the thread should be anything else.
Montmorency
03-09-2017, 04:19
Zack, he did effectively place you as null. You're about as close to the middle of that list as you can get.
Askthepizzaguy
03-09-2017, 04:19
I didn't really want to get into this with an "analyze ATPG" session, but you put it out there when you could have just played silly buggers like me. Without getting too spammy, can you please justify your top three and bottom four reads?
I could, but I don't think it would be very persuasive to people. I can say it in general terms, to aid people in understanding that there was thought put into it.
It's largely experience and instinct, based on paper thin first impressions, understanding of what I'd do if scum in this setup, what most players would do, and my analysis of the people inside my own faction who I don't want to name. I think I have a 70/15/5/5/5/0 read on my group based on their reactions to my opening posts there. The odds also just favor the votes being almost entirely on townies at the moment, if they were random, and they're not. The mafia's votes aren't random and even though most of ours are semi-random, there will also be biases regarding not necessarily piling votes on one's own faction members this early. Scum would likely be voting outside their own faction here, on a townie. I'd even put the odds of them voting for each other as higher than voting inside their own faction on a townie. That goes against the strategy of manipulating one's seeming faction-mates, it also draws attention and is therefore probably counterproductive.
I haven't caught anyone, I just haven't found some people to be showing revolutionary colors yet. I'm working from a town-down perspective and including some gut suspicions into the bottom 4.
There's no reason why 90% of the thread should be anything else.
I also thought that after I posted what I did.
Zack, he did effectively place you as null. You're about as close to the middle of that list as you can get.
I'm green. Green is not null.
Askthepizzaguy
03-09-2017, 04:22
Oh and nobody ever thinks I'm acting like I do as town when I act the way I do as town, no one ever thinks I believe my own gut.
I could only remind people (ineffectively as always) that I frequently go out on a way limb as early as possible in the game to get reads out.
Gonna cite my strong opposition to the wagons on the MTGS crossover game on day one that no one believed were authentic but were, and my strong opposition to the current suspects in the hydra game, both games I was lynched day one.
I know these patterns go against your instincts but my instincts are all backwards from yours.
I could, but I don't think it would be very persuasive to people. I can say it in general terms, to aid people in understanding that there was thought put into it.
It's largely experience and instinct, based on paper thin first impressions, understanding of what I'd do if scum in this setup, what most players would do, and my analysis of the people inside my own faction who I don't want to name. I think I have a 70/15/5/5/5/0 read on my group based on their reactions to my opening posts there. The odds also just favor the votes being almost entirely on townies at the moment, if they were random, and they're not. The mafia's votes aren't random and even though most of ours are semi-random, there will also be biases regarding not necessarily piling votes on one's own faction members this early. Scum would likely be voting outside their own faction here, on a townie. I'd even put the odds of them voting for each other as higher than voting inside their own faction on a townie. That goes against the strategy of manipulating one's seeming faction-mates, it also draws attention and is therefore probably counterproductive.
I haven't caught anyone, I just haven't found some people to be showing revolutionary colors yet. I'm working from a town-down perspective and including some gut suspicions into the bottom 4.
Doing that kind of wagon "analysis" presupposing the votes are on townies by sheer probability is faulty logic.
Also for as much as people like to talk about building a town core on day 1, I've found it much easier to find a wolf than to build a village list that isn't just rand.
Askthepizzaguy
03-09-2017, 04:23
You do you, Zack.
(wanted to edit to say) building the town core comes later, not on d1 imo
Atheotes is green and hasn't been here yet.
:juggle:
Took me a while to notice that.
I'm still going to take brazen advantage of being ATPG's and hence everybody's top town read, because I deserve good things like getting away with murder.
unvote: Jabbz
vote: Lewwyn
You do you, Zack.
By probability any single person is likely a villager, so it follows that you should never vote anyone. :book2:
Montmorency
03-09-2017, 04:25
I'm green. Green is not null.
I think I speak for Pizza when I say, sure it is.
Pizza, I notice a certain bias in the lower half of the list,regarding player styles, activity levels, and forum histories. And then there's Barto. What's up with that?
I think Atheotes is green because he's in Pizza's faction.
I think I speak for Pizza when I say, sure it is.
Pizza, I notice a certain bias in the lower half of the list,regarding player styles, activities, and forum histories. And then there's Barto. What's up with that?
I think Atheotes is green because he's in Pizza's faction.
How about you speak for Montmorency?
Askthepizzaguy
03-09-2017, 04:26
By probability any single person is likely a villager, so it follows that you should never vote anyone. :book2:
You'd almost have a point if I operated on probabilities alone but I don't, and the nature of the game forces us to attempt to lynch the scums as they win by default if we don't try.
(wanted to edit to say) building the town core comes later, not on d1 imo
Depends on the game, to be honest. Sometimes the villagers make themselves obvious. Sometimes the wolves do.
You'd almost have a point if I operated on probabilities alone but I don't
...
The odds also just favor the votes being almost entirely on townies at the moment
If you want to be nitpicky and focus on the "alone" part, whatever. My point is that it shouldn't be something you consider at all because it's meaningless.
Askthepizzaguy
03-09-2017, 04:31
Key word is alone. We're back to not reading my posts but commenting on them again, a thing that resulted in us butting heads every single time it's happened.
Montmorency
03-09-2017, 04:32
How about you speak for Montmorency?
I speak for the People. And they find you wanting.
Unvote; Vote: Zack
twirls wig
Key word is alone. We're back to not reading my posts but commenting on them again, a thing that resulted in us butting heads every single time it's happened.
called it :rolleyes:
I'VE FALLEN INTO YOUR CAREFULLY LAID PEDANTIC TRAP
Askthepizzaguy
03-09-2017, 04:36
Or you just can't find anything better to do than go "oy, Pizza has reads, that's impossibru" even though every time I'm town I create reads even on people who aren't bleeding here yet.
I speak for the People. And they find you wanting.
Unvote; Vote: Zack
twirls wig
:drama2:
unvote: Lewwyn
vote: Montmorency
If you're trying to shame me because I'm not factoring in RNG or making reads on people who literally haven't shown up, :shrug:.
Askthepizzaguy
03-09-2017, 04:39
Just pointing out that your reasoning about me ignores who I am.
I have this feeling people are expecting me to buckle down and scum hunt properly sooner or later.
Just pointing out that your reasoning about me ignores who I am.
I don't care. It's bad reasoning, you shouldn't use it, and it bugs me when people pretend like it's not silliness.
I'm not convinced that "who you are" includes
1. making reads based on "wagons" 100 posts into the game being probabilistically villagers
2. making reads on people who aren't here
I don't remember it at least. And sorry if I don't have a perfect memory of every subtlety of your play, but I've been in a small handful of games with you in the past few years out of well over a hundred games.
Montmorency
03-09-2017, 04:51
Pizza, what don't you like about Jabbz compared to BSmith and NAC (all of them being 2-wagons)?
atheotes
03-09-2017, 05:22
hey guys! i have been pondering how to play this game and came to the conclusion that it is best to play it as vanilla mafia. (till i get a town read on all my team mates that is! :devilish:)
200 posts is not as bad as i expected. so should be able to catch up soon, provided there are not many WoTs (pizza, looking at you :uneasy:).
Anything interesting to discuss in the meanwhile?
Montmorency
03-09-2017, 05:33
Yeah, Pizza likes you because you're in his faction. Comments?
GeneralHankerchief
03-09-2017, 05:43
Final tally before I go to bed tonight. Accurate as of post 206.
Renata: 4 | Manasi (78), Snerk (89), ATPG (116), Jabbz (143)
Manasi: 3 | Lewwyn (30), NotACop (112), Arakhor (115)
BSmith: 2 | Fenn (131), Al Sipsclar (136)
NotACop: 2 | autolycus (86), seireikhaan (117)
seireikhaan: 1 | Dp101 (134)
Zack: 1 | Montmorency (196)
Al Sipsclar: 1 | BSmith (54)
Csargo: 1 | Kagemusha (63)
Monstrdude: 1 | Choxorn (140)
Jabbz: 1 | Zack (145)
atheotes: 1 | El Barto (146)
Sooh: 1 | Monstrdude (151)
Montmorency: 1 | Renata (199)
Round ends:
The mafia's votes aren't random and even though most of ours are semi-random, there will also be biases regarding not necessarily piling votes on one's own faction members this early.
I have trouble agreeing with this. When I play as scum my early day one is no different from any other game. Maybe others play different, but given towns propensity for mislynching on day one, scum rarely need to intercede much, except perhaps towards then end. Even if it came to "piling on" this early, why not, very rarely are people held accountable for the first few votes of the day, as its mostly testing the waters.
atheotes
03-09-2017, 05:52
They love me. That's how they show their affection.
Vote: Renata
hey there, my honorary fellow citizen!
atheotes
03-09-2017, 05:57
Interesting post from Pizza. :pop2:
There's no reason why 90% of the thread should be anything else.
can you elaborate on the 10%?
atheotes
03-09-2017, 06:00
I also thought that after I posted what I did.
I'm green. Green is not null.
you too Zack, can you elaborate on the 10%?
atheotes
03-09-2017, 06:10
Atheotes is green and hasn't been here yet.
:juggle:
Took me a while to notice that.
I'm still going to take brazen advantage of being ATPG's and hence everybody's top town read, because I deserve good things like getting away with murder.
unvote: Jabbz
vote: Lewwyn
for a second there i went, "What does she mean? i am pretty sure i am on invisible mode. Did i change it? left the tab open on the laptop yesterday...but still.. what is she playing at? casting shade? .:huh2:.......:wall: she is talking about Pizza's list!!!"
Montmorency
03-09-2017, 06:10
I have trouble agreeing with this. When I play as scum my early day one is no different from any other game. Maybe others play different, but given towns propensity for mislynching on day one, scum rarely need to intercede much, except perhaps towards then end. Even if it came to "piling on" this early, why not, very rarely are people held accountable for the first few votes of the day, as its mostly testing the waters.
I think he's saying they're avoiding voting townies within their nominal Revolutionary factions. That, plus Town partisans voting away from their faction-mates, leads to higher likelihood of town wagons than usual. Something along those lines.
That's the second time you've spoken for him Monty, what's up with that?
Montmorency
03-09-2017, 06:14
It's important to shape perceptions of Pizza the right way.
atheotes
03-09-2017, 06:14
I think I speak for Pizza when I say, sure it is.
Pizza, I notice a certain bias in the lower half of the list,regarding player styles, activity levels, and forum histories. And then there's Barto. What's up with that?
I think Atheotes is green because he's in Pizza's faction.
:sneaky:
Anytime pizza likes me, it is a high chance he is scum and setting me up for an easy mislynch at a crucial juncture . :smash:
Vote: Pizza
Montmorency
03-09-2017, 06:15
distancing
atheotes
03-09-2017, 06:17
Yeah, Pizza likes you because you're in his faction. Comments?
you are scummy for focusing on town factions and not on Royalists! :verycool:
atheotes
03-09-2017, 06:20
It's important to shape perceptions of Pizza the right way.
ooh..thats a dangerous attitude where you believe you perception is superior to someone else's or is it because you have more information? ~;)
This is going awfully fast for a 48/24 game, at least when it comes to reads.
Unsure if this is typical Pizza play but willing to sheep on that for now.
Renata's scatterbrained approach to this game isn't something I've seen before, so many she's just a wolf. Could be factored into the fact that she's possibly more comfortable playing on here than on MU? I don't know. I'm sticking with what I think on that for now.
Also haven't really seen Zack play this seriously in a while. I think it's ~more within his villa range.
Atheotes has already done more in this thread than I think I've seen in any other game combined. (No offense).
Das a villager.
atheotes
03-09-2017, 06:22
ooh..thats a dangerous attitude where you believe you perception is superior to someone else's or is it because you have more information? ~;)
*your perception
sorry for the multiple posts. i did not think i was mostly alone here.
Things just seem to be developing more quickly than usual.
How do I devolve everything back to my comfort zone aka shitposting?
Someone help.
*your perception
sorry for the multiple posts. i did not think i was mostly alone here.
It's okay. I'm here for the time being.
atheotes
03-09-2017, 06:31
This is going awfully fast for a 48/24 game, at least when it comes to reads.
Unsure if this is typical Pizza play but willing to sheep on that for now.
Renata's scatterbrained approach to this game isn't something I've seen before, so many she's just a wolf. Could be factored into the fact that she's possibly more comfortable playing on here than on MU? I don't know. I'm sticking with what I think on that for now.
Also haven't really seen Zack play this seriously in a while. I think it's ~more within his villa range.
Atheotes has already done more in this thread than I think I've seen in any other game combined. (No offense).
Das a villager.
I think you are only the second person to post reads. i actually found the thread to be pretty light on content and low on read than i expected. Not sure if everyone is being cagey due to the game setup.
it is typical Pizza and for me it is not AI. tbh, i am yet to see any strong votes and i consider all votes so far to be RVS.
Renata is definitely more comfortable here. But she does seem a little self aware.
Zack and Pizza being serious with each other is NAI for me.
:stare: i havent done anything good in this game so far. so you must be going by post count. But your conclusion is correct. so i will let it slide :grin3:
i have slight town read on Lewwyn
Nulls
Slight scum lean on Barto (its not OMGUS)
I think you are only the second person to post reads. i actually found the thread to be pretty light on content and low on read than i expected. Not sure if everyone is being cagey due to the game setup.
it is typical Pizza and for me it is not AI. tbh, i am yet to see any strong votes and i consider all votes so far to be RVS.
Renata is definitely more comfortable here. But she does seem a little self aware.
Zack and Pizza being serious with each other is NAI for me.
:stare: i havent done anything good in this game so far. so you must be going by post count. But your conclusion is correct. so i will let it slide :grin3:
i have slight town read on Lewwyn
Nulls
Slight scum lean on Barto (its not OMGUS)
I only have reads on the people I know/have played with. Like I said, thread seemed to get pretty solvey pretty quickly, just from a standpoint of questioning.
Pretty sure on MU you just lurk until like two hours before EoD, so I'd call all of this PRETTY ATYPICAL.
you too Zack, can you elaborate on the 10%?
It was more a figure of speech than a precise figure, at least on my end.
Renata's scatterbrained approach to this game isn't something I've seen before, so many she's just a wolf. Could be factored into the fact that she's possibly more comfortable playing on here than on MU? I don't know. I'm sticking with what I think on that for now.
It's how she plays on the org, and it is different, regardless of how much she might protest when I tell her on MU that she's not playing like I'm used to.
Unsure if this is typical Pizza play but willing to sheep on that for now.
He's being fairly weird, which is more or less typical Pizza play, but it's the kind of typical Pizza play that I could easily see him do regardless of his alignment.
atheotes
03-09-2017, 06:41
It was more a figure of speech than a precise figure, at least on my end.
But you do have some reads. your vote on Jabbz is a serious vote?
But you do have some reads. your vote on Jabbz is a serious vote?
I thought the way he entered the thread and went "haha cool!" at someone voting him was weird and completely the opposite of how he entered the thread in Pizza's game (where he was town and the only other game I've seen him in).
It's how she plays on the org, and it is different, regardless of how much she might protest when I tell her on MU that she's not playing like I'm used to.
Weirddddd, how can you just change on sites like that?
I guess you are too but... More hesitant about Renata in general.
He's being fairly weird, which is more or less typical Pizza play, but it's the kind of typical Pizza play that I could easily see him do regardless of his alignment.
Hey I've seen you before. Hi!
Okay, noted, thanks!
I have trouble agreeing with this. When I play as scum my early day one is no different from any other game. Maybe others play different, but given towns propensity for mislynching on day one, scum rarely need to intercede much, except perhaps towards then end. Even if it came to "piling on" this early, why not, very rarely are people held accountable for the first few votes of the day, as its mostly testing the waters.
I disagree that scum Day 1's are not different than town day 1's.
Unvote; Vote:Jabbz
I disagree that scum Day 1's are not different than town day 1's.
Unvote; Vote:Jabbz
I disagree with your disagreeing, Jabbz summed up how I view D1 as scum pretty well. I'm going to set up the aliases for the votecounter soon.
And great, just remembered that the unvoting breaks the plug-in. Nevermind that then.
I disagree that scum Day 1's are not different than town day 1's.
Unvote; Vote:Jabbz
I think that's a disingenuous response at best. He said "early" day one. It was also specific to himself, and he qualified it by granting that others play differently from him.
u wolfin brah?
Montmorency
03-09-2017, 07:10
Zack trend up
Zack trend up
Dear diary,
someone said a nice thing about me today
:sweetheart:
I thought the way he entered the thread and went "haha cool!" at someone voting him was weird and completely the opposite of how he entered the thread in Pizza's game (where he was town and the only other game I've seen him in).
This MIGHT be a case of apples and oranges Zack :P She did kind of mention she was shooting to vote for literally everyone day one :) Plus there is the fact I know all of you guys a bit better now after playing a game with you and hosting another for you.
This MIGHT be a case of apples and oranges Zack :P She did kind of mention she was shooting to vote for literally everyone day one :) Plus there is the fact I know all of you guys a bit better now after playing a game with you and hosting another for you.
Your response to my vote was basically the same.
Dear diary,
someone said a nice thing about me today
:sweetheart:
I say nice things about you every day :(
Your response to my vote was basically the same.
A: The same thing about knowing you guys applies, and B: I have a vested interest in keeping things extra super civil between us :P
I say nice things about you every day :(
:bow:
I'ma get off PC. See you guys on the flipside.
Ok, quickly reread the thread. Renata top town, Monty is likely to be aligned with Pizza if Pizza is scum, Jabbz feels really stilted but that's normal for him, no strong feelings on the low-posters. Manasi has been reacting in roughly the way I would have expected to the 48/24, Zack has had good and natural tone. There are no words for how much I disagree with Pizza's analysis, is he normally this wrong as town?
There are no words for how much I disagree with Pizza's analysis, is he normally this wrong as town?
you can't know if it's wrong unless you know everyone's alignment
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Montmorency
03-09-2017, 08:03
Unvote; Vote: DP
:creep:
:juggle2:
:juggle:
~:handball:
:quiet:
:Zzzz:
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