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fable, did you read my post on csargo? what do you think?
GTH move egix and dya up a tier
you think choxorn is bad even w the tracker claim? seems suicidal to do that as a wolf with 2 bads dead, he never wins endgame
you think choxorn is bad even w the tracker claim? seems suicidal to do that as a wolf with 2 bads dead, he never wins endgame
I think it's NAI and idk who else wolves are maybe cuth and newyn
fable, did you read my post on csargo? what do you think?
I have to read it lol.
Montmorency
12-08-2019, 23:06
Can you stop bringing up chess revisionist history
Kthxbye
I'm speaking my truth.
@ Monty
Ping acknowledged but I don't think my nightkill musings is as important/sharable now.
hmmm
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 00:32
missed that Monty had voted me before
exciting
by the way fable have you mentioned me at all apart from grouping me with newyn and putting me at the bottom of that list
if so I genuinely missed it sorry
speaking of newyn, I don't get the sense anyone's really... trying to figure him out
I really like his d1 on a certain level but a) he knows how to pocket me like a champ sometimes and b) if the last wolf is someone who's very much underwhelming and there's no good way tomorrow is ending I could see you going for the deep bus route
probably a villager but I have my reservations
ladd is in this weird spot where I feel like I should feel something about him but I don't
not great at reading dya but she hasn't had incredibly villagery posts
missed that Monty had voted me before
exciting
by the way fable have you mentioned me at all apart from grouping me with newyn and putting me at the bottom of that list
if so I genuinely missed it sorry
speaking of newyn, I don't get the sense anyone's really... trying to figure him out
I really like his d1 on a certain level but a) he knows how to pocket me like a champ sometimes and b) if the last wolf is someone who's very much underwhelming and there's no good way tomorrow is ending I could see you going for the deep bus route
probably a villager but I have my reservations
ladd is in this weird spot where I feel like I should feel something about him but I don't
not great at reading dya but she hasn't had incredibly villagery posts
wolfy
back to sleep
I just don't buy that's what you have to say in this gamestate
esp the line about me is just so cliché and shows 0 interest in actually solving the game
tried to grab the quotes that have substance from csargo. But like this entire post is hedgy af. He gives himself an out at every turn.
he even talks about that here
good vote though
but again, he's afraid to clear people
Here are today's reads and they feel pretty...safe? like it's not saying a lot to me in either direction
But here he's starting to get spicy with GH and I'm not sure how I feel about it.
I think overall maybe a slight scum lean? feels like he was trying to give himself an out on the barto read (though he did vote there later) and he's afraid to town read people
I can't really argue against the hedgy af, because it's true. It comes from a lack of confidence in my reads because I haven't played in a while.
I'm not sure what you mean by I'm afraid to clear people? I don't trust Monty in general, but I think he's town now from what I've seen today. In the post you called safe I said I was alright with calling Zack, GH, and Insaner town, which is basically I wouldn't vote there outside of extraordinary circumstances or they really took a nosedive with their posts. That's probably the closest I'd come to clearing anybody. Because now I kinda want to vote GH.
Cool. My feelings are safe.
I'm a bundle of confusing.
You are the first person to not call me rand/null this game, congrats!
El barto is usually more carefree posting in my experience with him as town, but like I said in the first post you quoted he seemed cautious. I didn't really have anything else and that really didn't seem like much at the time.
cuth, what did you like about monty posts that made you soften on the wolf read there?
alright my time is up
see you idk when, I'll try to pop in when I can
Choxorn
I know you cliamed tracker but I find it weird that you admitted that yday you played like crap, considering that imo your posts were whatever and you simply were inactive
why did you think you played like crap besides inactivity which is perfectly explainable by real life?
who are the wolves?
I mean that's pretty much it, I'm inactive, which leads to playing like crap
Idk, Egix? Cuth? Maybe Csargo?
kind of like this question from chox but I guess it could be as either alignment
he follows up with it here. I'd like to hear more from chox regarding if he still thinks ladd can be scum with barto
and here we have his claim. And his town read on ladd now.
I really want more from this slot. I think the claim could come from either alignment and the change in ladd stuff is weird. But like...I can't sort it
My switch on ladd was based largely on the way the wagons played out at EoD and seeing pzelda and Barto flip scum. I saw ladd as maybe a little scummy yesterday but if he's scum then the top 3 wagons day 1 were all scum which seems highly unlikely to me.
Didn't expect to see my post completely ignored. Oh well. At least it looks like everyone is on board with the Cuth lynch.
Vote: Cuth
After this flips wolf and I die on N2, you all know who to lynch next.
If PZelda is town I deserve the night kill
@ Medic
Chuckled at this one
if pzelda is town, you won't be night killed
This was an interesting response
Kinda wolfy imo
Ladd, why did you think empoof was a pr?
When did gh become the authority on logic btw?
3 Cuth (Insaner, Csargo, Monty)
2 Egix (merl1n, GH)
Not voting: rest of you lot
LMK if there are any errors
When did gh become the authority on logic btw?
Cos Monty said so?
Y'know, the same guy you said was being a revisionist irt that Chess Mafia game?
3 El Barto (Montmorency, Zack, ladd)
3 Montmorency (El Barto, Pzelda, Cuthillius)
3 Ladd (Fable, Logic, Egix)
2 Choxorn (Newyn, Empoof)
2 PZelda (Insaner, GH)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
This was the vote count when Cuth switched to El Barto.
The reason he gave also gives him very little cred for the El Barto flip.
Do you guys seriously thinking that Cuth is a good lynch today?
Cos Monty said so?
Y'know, the same guy you said was being a revisionist irt that Chess Mafia game?
Why is this so hostile lmao
3 El Barto (Montmorency, Zack, ladd)
3 Montmorency (El Barto, Pzelda, Cuthillius)
3 Ladd (Fable, Logic, Egix)
2 Choxorn (Newyn, Empoof)
2 PZelda (Insaner, GH)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
This was the vote count when Cuth switched to El Barto.
The reason he gave also gives him very little cred for the El Barto flip.
Do you guys seriously thinking that Cuth is a good lynch today?
What are you thinking of as an alternative then?
Why is this so hostile lmao
Wasn't meant to be.
3 El Barto (Montmorency, Zack, ladd)
3 Montmorency (El Barto, Pzelda, Cuthillius)
3 Ladd (Fable, Logic, Egix)
2 Choxorn (Newyn, Empoof)
2 PZelda (Insaner, GH)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
This was the vote count when Cuth switched to El Barto.
The reason he gave also gives him very little cred for the El Barto flip.
Do you guys seriously thinking that Cuth is a good lynch today?
Cuth says he doesn't bus and that he hates it, but he busses literally every game I've played with him
Cue him saying it's just a coincidence. Mhm, sure it is
Cuth says he doesn't bus and that he hates it, but he busses literally every game I've played with him
Cue him saying it's just a coincidence. Mhm, sure it is
Yes, Cuth can bus but unless the remaining wolves are exactly Ladd + Cuth what does Cuth gain from bussing there over just coordinating with his two wolf buddies to switch to Ladd?
Oh wait, the wolves are probably killing one of Choxorn and that tonight. Which only means that I will be there to tell you about how much of a wolf GH is!
I kinda hope there aren't any 3p lol. I have 0 clue how to hunt them.
Yes, Cuth can bus but unless the remaining wolves are exactly Ladd + Cuth what does Cuth gain from bussing there over just coordinating with his two wolf buddies to switch to Ladd?
Why do the wolves ever bus?
Oh wait, the wolves are probably killing one of Choxorn and that tonight. Which only means that I will be there to tell you about how much of a wolf GH is!
I kinda hope there aren't any 3p lol. I have 0 clue how to hunt them.
One of Choxorn and Zack lol. Brain wtf
Yes, Cuth can bus but unless the remaining wolves are exactly Ladd + Cuth what does Cuth gain from bussing there over just coordinating with his two wolf buddies to switch to Ladd?
A lot of wolves don't want to be on a terrible d1 mislynch of a strong villager
Barto was already more or less dead weight by that point anyways. Might as well grab some cred for it
Why do the wolves ever bus?
Wolves usually have something to gain from bussing. I can't see what Cuth stands to gain there if Ladd isn't also a wolf and I just don't think Ladd is a wolf atm so I don't see a world where Cuth is ever a wolf in that situation.
I'm only willing to give so much leeway for a vote like that
Cuth is a busser and his posts aren't that villagy (the ones this day phase are pretty bad imo). I frankly just don't care that much if he voted barto. It's not like he was pushing him or driving the wagon. I dunno why it's such a big deal to you
Wolves usually have something to gain from bussing. I can't see what Cuth stands to gain there if Ladd isn't also a wolf and I just don't think Ladd is a wolf atm so I don't see a world where Cuth is ever a wolf in that situation.
What Zack said.
That's fallacious, wolves bus for terrible reasons all the time
A lot of wolves don't want to be on a terrible d1 mislynch of a strong villager
Barto was already more or less dead weight by that point anyways. Might as well grab some cred for it
If he built a case against El Barto, sure but his reasoning for voting for El Barto if he gets lynched there gives him about as much cred as my reasoning for voting for El Barto - absolutely zero.
Ladd, why did you think empoof was a pr?
his behaviour, specifically at EoD with the medic stuff, I thought was pretty PRy
If he built a case against El Barto, sure but his reasoning for voting for El Barto if he gets lynched there gives him about as much cred as my reasoning for voting for El Barto - absolutely zero.
Says the guy giving him tons of cred for it?
newyin, so no wolf bussed iyo?
like unless the team is egix/chox someone bussed which is perfectly understandable goven the situation wplves were in
or merl1n/egix/chox in some combo i guess
I'm only willing to give so much leeway for a vote like that
Cuth is a busser and his posts aren't that villagy (the ones this day phase are pretty bad imo). I frankly just don't care that much if he voted barto. It's not like he was pushing him or driving the wagon. I dunno why it's such a big deal to you
It's a big deal to me because we got people who did not vote for a flipped wolf yesterday who are either no posting/posting poorly like Logic/Egix yet somehow you guys think Cuth is a better lynch because "he's a busser" and his posts ain't great.
Says the guy giving him tons of cred for it?
I'm the only one giving him any cred atm, the rest of you guys want him lynched so I think that says it all.
newyin, so no wolf bussed iyo?
like unless the team is egix/chox someone bussed which is perfectly understandable goven the situation wplves were in
I can totally see a world like Egix/Cho where Cho goes for the Yolo claim cause he or Egix is always lynchedwdiatwly otherwise.
If there is a busser, there's other players like Fable or Dya that I think are more than capable of bussing too but are getting very little attention.
I like Newyn. I don't know if I'm comfortable calling him either alignment yet, though.
Pzelda's opening was rather bizarre and really really awkward if wolf, so villager points there. In particular the interaction with Zack.
I'm unsettled by wagon comp on Monty, think I'd rather hold off there for now, since I'm personally not confident on reading him generically speaking.
Was going to vote Logic, but now I sorta think him calling GH and Zack null, if lazy particularly in the first case, is mildly villagery.
Hum ho.
Why is this post being ignored. His read on Capage says it all.
It's a big deal to me because we got people who did not vote for a flipped wolf yesterday who are either no posting/posting poorly like Logic/Egix yet somehow you guys think Cuth is a better lynch because "he's a busser" and his posts ain't great.
I never said he was a better lynch. And to your later post, I'm pretty sure my first posts of the day were all bringing up dya as someone I thought deserved more scrutiny
I'm not voting anyone afaik. But yes, someone making wolfy posts is indeed something I tend to weigh rather heavily in lunch considerations.
I have said all game that I think egix is wolfy, too. Get better talking points against me next time
Why is this post being ignored. His read on Capage says it all.
He voted Monty after saying that?
He voted Monty after saying that?
No, he was already on Monty.
No, he was already on Monty.
That makes that paragraph even more bizarre then
That makes that paragraph even more bizarre then
Uh I don't really understand what you mean. But it seems like it's making you wolf read Cuth more so I'm okay with that.
Uh I don't really understand what you mean. But it seems like it's making you wolf read Cuth more so I'm okay with that.
It sounds like he's saying he doesn't want to vote Monty? But he was already voting him? Idgi
I'm hardly addressing you alone Zack - there are other people like Monty and Insaner who I think are probably town who are voting Cuth right now and pushing for him to get lynched.
I'm hardly addressing you alone Zack - there are other people like Monty and Insaner who I think are probably town who are voting Cuth right now and pushing for him to get lynched.
Your read on Cuth = my read on Barto on D1.
Cuth and GH are the final wolves. Of that I have no doubt.
Your read on Cuth = my read on Barto on D1.
Cuth and GH are the final wolves. Of that I have no doubt.
I'm not going to claim I have a god read on Cuth like some people who seem to think they have someone figured out just because they were right in a few games but I've watched Cuth play for longer than almost everyone here.
I'm not going to bet my mafia career on Cuth been town but his posts are definitely not so bad that he deserves to be the day 2 lynch after voting a wolf yesterday.
Also Vote:Egix in case I don't have time to post tomorrow.
need a live playerlist if anyone has one.
think barto's push on monty looks fairly not w/w so I'm comfortable keeping monty in my top towns
I think zack still looks good, too, for his d1 and his read of barto. I think he's fallen off a bit today, but I like yesterday enough he can stay there, too.
I saw some of the interactions merl1n posted for ladd and agree ladd probably not a wolf, either. And the work merl1n is putting in at this stage looks pretty good
thanks insaner
Town
Montmorency
Zack
ladd
insaner
lean town
fable
merl1n
GH
logic
null
Chox
csargo
cuth
egix
newyn
lean wolf
wolf
I obviously have some work to do today to work out what to do with my null section. And yeah, i'm aware of chox' claim
I find this "I need a live playerlist" then following up with a readslist suspicious. It does explain the large number of nulls, but you can always put out a readslist omitting the people you don't remember.
I'm currently giving Dya a scumlean for this, but it also feels like wolf!Dya would try harder than this.
need a live playerlist if anyone has one.
think barto's push on monty looks fairly not w/w so I'm comfortable keeping monty in my top towns
I think zack still looks good, too, for his d1 and his read of barto. I think he's fallen off a bit today, but I like yesterday enough he can stay there, too.
I saw some of the interactions merl1n posted for ladd and agree ladd probably not a wolf, either. And the work merl1n is putting in at this stage looks pretty good
Cos Monty said so?
Y'know, the same guy you said was being a revisionist irt that Chess Mafia game?
Zack Brannigan
I also said so.
Short version: In Chess, Pizza laser focused on my scum tells. GH was my scum buddy that game, and HARD DEFENDED me like never have I been defended before or since. GH also knows my scum tells, and has correctly identified my in every game he has spectated or been a villager in before the end of D1. You can count on GH answering the opposite of my flip as a guaranteed wolf in GH (so far this is 2/2, lol)
The main reason I'm not giving GH a pass this game is that last game I was in with him (in Dya's words, "That OTHER Game" that just finished) he was a wolf, and I a villager, and he called me a wolf there, so he might be gun-shy about trying to do the same thing two games in a row.
need a live playerlist if anyone has one.
think barto's push on monty looks fairly not w/w so I'm comfortable keeping monty in my top towns
I think zack still looks good, too, for his d1 and his read of barto. I think he's fallen off a bit today, but I like yesterday enough he can stay there, too.
I saw some of the interactions merl1n posted for ladd and agree ladd probably not a wolf, either. And the work merl1n is putting in at this stage looks pretty good
Also, lol on me for mentioning you in a post I made summing up chess when you were also my partner in that game. Sorry Zack, it's early for me (5:20 AM)
I find this "I need a live playerlist" then following up with a readslist suspicious. It does explain the large number of nulls, but you can always put out a readslist omitting the people you don't remember.
I'm currently giving Dya a scumlean for this, but it also feels like wolf!Dya would try harder than this.
I wanted to be able to sort my thoughts and couldn't remember who was in the game. I usually don't have to ask for this on MU, I can just pull it up on my own. It's more for me? Like i use it to sort my thinking?
anyway, you can update it with csargo in the lean wolf category
vote: Csargo
Zack Brannigan
I also said so.
Short version: In Chess, Pizza laser focused on my scum tells. GH was my scum buddy that game, and HARD DEFENDED me like never have I been defended before or since. GH also knows my scum tells, and has correctly identified my in every game he has spectated or been a villager in before the end of D1. You can count on GH answering the opposite of my flip as a guaranteed wolf in GH (so far this is 2/2, lol)
The main reason I'm not giving GH a pass this game is that last game I was in with him (in Dya's words, "That OTHER Game" that just finished) he was a wolf, and I a villager, and he called me a wolf there, so he might be gun-shy about trying to do the same thing two games in a row.
What I get from this is that if GH flips scum, we should snap lynch Logic because he's already planting the "GH only called me town this game cause he can't scum read me as scum two games in a row" defence.
I wanted to be able to sort my thoughts and couldn't remember who was in the game. I usually don't have to ask for this on MU, I can just pull it up on my own. It's more for me? Like i use it to sort my thinking?
anyway, you can update it with csargo in the lean wolf category
vote: Csargo
I'm not sure about Csargo. For me, he's sitting right in his normal meta of "null until he's a liability." When he scums with enthusiasm, he's right in the middle of the pack the whole game, but not in a null way, in a swingy way (this post feels good, but this one doesn't, etc.) When he scums without enthusiasm, he's better than me at my best*, but almost in a "free dead wolf" category.
Csargo for now is in my townleans.
*Cuth and Scoobs might take umbrage with this statement
What I get from this is that if GH flips scum, we should snap lynch Logic because he's already planting the "GH only called me town this game cause he can't scum read me as scum two games in a row" defence.
That's not a bad interpretation of that statement. Unfortunately, it is wrong.
Montmorency
12-09-2019, 14:47
Hi, I see a new burst of activity has begun just now this morning. I'll return in some hours, hopefully with that wagonomics, but I came here mainly because I wanted to tap @GH:
General, I feel like you've been ignoring some of my direct questions about other players. Didn't you straight-up tell me right before Visor opened signups that one of your scumtells is evasiveness when confronted about other players? :wacky:
Cos Monty said so?
Y'know, the same guy you said was being a revisionist irt that Chess Mafia game?
Hey, what, I didn't say so, I said GH said so.
Oh wait, the wolves are probably killing one of Choxorn and that tonight. Which only means that I will be there to tell you about how much of a wolf GH is!
Also, there are definitely 3P. There wouldn't be mention 3P unless there were 3P. It's probably not the cool kind though, not like the Locust of Madness. Or was it Locust of Malice? Anyway, it's probably just a neutral survivor.
I kinda hope there aren't any 3p lol. I have 0 clue how to hunt them.
Don't hunt them. Why would you need to do that? What did third parties ever do to hurt you?
That's fallacious, wolves bus for terrible reasons all the time
:anxious:
I'm hardly addressing you alone Zack - there are other people like Monty and Insaner who I think are probably town who are voting Cuth right now and pushing for him to get lynched.
I think the POE spread doesn't evoke confidence. Too many nullish people, with overlap among the too many people laying low as the Big Names talk it up. Cuth's reaction to pressure today has been, how do you say, frozen? Here's what I expect for when I come back toward EOD: keep Cuth in the lead and if he's scum, there's going to be CFD activity. If not then it's more likely a case of "dead air, dead townie" and that's the point at which I will consider a yolo vote.
I find this "I need a live playerlist" then following up with a readslist suspicious. It does explain the large number of nulls, but you can always put out a readslist omitting the people you don't remember.
I'm currently giving Dya a scumlean for this, but it also feels like wolf!Dya would try harder than this.
This sounds somewhat similar to the scumreading approach you took toward ladd yesterday, as seen here:
Ladd feels like his pushes are entirely too easy, and his defenses of things feel the wrong kind of dismissive.
Vote: Ladd
ladd
You're going nowhere with your scum-reads, as if you are afraid to commit. However:
You've got some subtle shade on Pzelda that looks like you are reluctant to vote there.
You hedge on calling a post of mine good content wise, but wolfy in tone.
You are reluctant to to do anything with a probable Barto scum-read, instead deferring to others for meta.
You give a out of nowhere ">rand Fable/Barto W/W" and don't follow up.
I feel like you are taking pot shots to see what sticks rahter than actually solving.
Sometimes, I like to intentionally fail to answer questions and see if the person asking follows up and demands from me an answer. Ladd never did.
Now, I'm not giving him lock-scum, but I don't think this is a good look. Especially seeing how he responded to other posts I have made in the interim.
His push on me seems entirely fake, and that is why I'm not switching, barring some kind of CFD onto someone I think is a villager, where I will vote a counterwagon to said hypothetical villager.
IIRC you didn't suss or scumread anyone else that day (except saying you werent willing to TR Cuth in #173, and you said you didn't get the suspicion of me but were willing to give a slight scum-lean in #321). Hmm... *imagine me scrunching my face in one direction as I murmur*
Your town reads were all glosses on the consensus players like insaner, merlin, empoof (but not Zack or GH).
Are - are you "taking pot shots rather than actually solving"? *grumpy face MU emote*
Zack Brannigan
I also said so.
Short version: In Chess, Pizza laser focused on my scum tells. GH was my scum buddy that game, and HARD DEFENDED me like never have I been defended before or since. GH also knows my scum tells, and has correctly identified my in every game he has spectated or been a villager in before the end of D1. You can count on GH answering the opposite of my flip as a guaranteed wolf in GH (so far this is 2/2, lol)
The main reason I'm not giving GH a pass this game is that last game I was in with him (in Dya's words, "That OTHER Game" that just finished) he was a wolf, and I a villager, and he called me a wolf there, so he might be gun-shy about trying to do the same thing two games in a row.
Very interesting. How would you compare your Chess-era meta with your current meta, including this game?
GH actually has not talked about you very much. In fact he does not appear to have mentioned you at all today. He did give you his top town read near EOD1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/153989-04-12-Generic-Fantasy-WW-Game-Thread?p=2053800685&viewfull=1#post2053800685).
Logic
Fable
Zack
Insaner
Monty
ladd
--- town line ---
Csargo
dya
Newyn
Pzelda
Cuth
Egix
Empoof
Choxorn
--- null/idk line ---
merl1n
El Barto
And if it's true that a wrong read on you from GH indicates he is scum, and he town reads you (as of yesterday at least) - man, it sure would be crazy if...
GeneralHankerchief
12-09-2019, 14:49
Ask me about people, Monty. I'm just kind of tired in general and wanted a specifically low-volume game here. Don't really think that my MU meta should fully apply here.
Montmorency
I'm not going to quote the post, but I feel like I do owe you an answer (for whatever "owe" is worth.)
My scumgame has not evolved much since chess in 2017. I have a single scum game under my belt where I survived past N3 (of, 9ish?) and most of those I was the D1 or D2 lynch. My only real talent as scum is not spewing my teammates.
As for Zack and GH reads from yesterday: I hadn't given Zack a townread like everyone else because he wasn't cleared town to me like he was to you. For GH, the paranoia is real, and I could easily see him doing the opposite of his last scum game and calling me town. If GH flips scum, I would not be surprised if a turbolynch were pointed in my direction soon after.
My scum lean on Dya is because I resumed reading the thread from where I left off yesterday morning, and those were the first few posts I saw. They don't sit well with me right now, which is why I called them out. If you have a bone to pick with my method, please give me more details, because "this is similar to how you suspected Ladd yesterday" doesn't cut it in my book. If you are suspecting me more than just murmuring, then vote me. I maintain that I do some of my best town-work while pressured.
Ask me about people, Monty. I'm just kind of tired in general and wanted a specifically low-volume game here. Don't really think that my MU meta should fully apply here.
That is something I'd like expanded upon.
GeneralHankerchief
12-09-2019, 15:00
That is something I'd like expanded upon.
The whole "as town I'm fully plugged in and engaged and have full opinions about everyone running through my head at all times and can't not turn my brain off for as long as I'm alive" bit.
Montmorency
12-09-2019, 15:09
Ask me about people, Monty. I'm just kind of tired in general and wanted a specifically low-volume game here. Don't really think that my MU meta should fully apply here.
I don't think you've commented on Cuth meta, have you?
I won't press you on Choxorn.
What would you do in a F3 between you, me, and Choxorn?
Also:
Logic's town, consider this locked in.
Just to mark for thoroughness, this was right before the leans list I quoted. Do you have anything else to say about Logic's reads on ladd in my spoiler?
Empoof is gut mafia for me. Can't really explain it now. Kill me tonight if you don't want me to flesh this out please.
A weird comment I asked you about.
As for Zack and GH reads from yesterday: I hadn't given Zack a townread like everyone else because he wasn't cleared town to me like he was to you.
I don't lock him. I only lock insaner and maybe one other player. People throw around the word "lock" too lightly these days.
For GH, the paranoia is real, and I could easily see him doing the opposite of his last scum game and calling me town. If GH flips scum, I would not be surprised if a turbolynch were pointed in my direction soon after.
You understand why that would make someone nervous vis-a-vis a hypothetical scum-Logic?
My scum lean on Dya is because I resumed reading the thread from where I left off yesterday morning, and those were the first few posts I saw. They don't sit well with me right now, which is why I called them out. If you have a bone to pick with my method, please give me more details, because "this is similar to how you suspected Ladd yesterday" doesn't cut it in my book. If you are suspecting me more than just murmuring, then vote me. I maintain that I do some of my best town-work while pressured.
Is it wrong to say you are taking pot shots rather than solving? What i noticed about yesterday's reads is you only town-read consensus town, shaded me and Cuth, and voted Ladd with hard attacks. Abstractly, is this consistent with Logic scum meta on interactions with the thread? I feel like your engagement should have been more holistic as town.
A few thoughts:
I was a little surprised by how... seriously? my initial post was taken. Likely the effect of phase length stuff, but It was an early game post mostly getting a very specific thought out onto metaphorical paper, with a bit of a read attached. Not really intended as a huge talking point/reaction test, but, well, here we are. As things turned out, I've been watching what people say about it with curiosity.
I think Zack's reaction was very villagery; I think people who know my general posting style would tend to classify that as villagery just by virtue of fitting into the sort of free-flowing off-the-hip type of play I settle into more often as a villager (as wolf, I gravitate towards playing a more... classical game, I'd say?). That said, it's also a very small sample size and not accompanied by any of the signs that normally come with it, that being more of a general indicator valid across a larger subset of posts, so the backpedal makes complete sense-- I think he'd be more likely to pick one view and stick with it as a wolf unless he's a level higher than I think is likely in this case. /shrug
I think Monty has a very dim view of my play (rather understandable, given my showing in past games on the Org, but I don't especially care for the way he went about his comment-- was along the lines of "yeah that looks like the sort of analysis he'd make but normally he's defending himself at the same time". Which, alright, fair. But taken as an analysis post in the traditional sense my post is garbage. Several people had, as far as I could tell, the interpretation that I was implying something relating "safeness" and alignment/that there have to be x number of people in category for no reason/whatever else when there wasn't really much overarching structure other than basically two separate readslists containing everyone I'd personally formed an opinion, however significant or insignificant, on. There are people whose approach reads into how I see their play, but that's not the case with others. What Monty's post looks like is a "yes that is a bad analysis post but you know it's normal". I can't hold either opinion against him as such, but it seems a bit, oh, passive. It takes the image of the post and grafts it onto this tree of experience without any visible effort towards... weighing the post? It takes it seriously in the context of me making relatively nonsensical posts, and just sort of stops there. I'd have a lot less issue if it was more like "no that's not really a legit analysis post, but you know cuth". Don't think I'm really conveying my meaning very well, but.
Vote: Montmorency
Insaner. I've been holding back and watching, trying to figure out what exactly his approach is. Posts seemed very standard middle of the road affair (not that there's anything wrong with that) off the bat, but he mentioned enjoying playing with wolfy and that seemed to present a slightly different picture (again not to denigrate that, I just think those pools of people don't overlap entirely most of the time), and I didn't feel like I had a grasp on what the game was to him very well until more recently. My inclination here is villager, because he doesn't really seem like the sort of person to be a very confident wolf who takes the initiative in a setting like this with most iterations of the player list. Things like pushing hard on me w.r.t. Logic, saying I'm obviously caught. Falls into the pool of people taking my initial post seriously (traditionally? don't know if serious is the right word here), perhaps in this case more "seriously" than anyone else. Creates an inconsistency out of nowhere but also not nowhere from certain viewpoints, and pursues it. I think he's been going out of his way to interact with people and figure them out, and as far as I can tell it's more likely to be coming from a villager in most worlds. No prior experience though, so who knows.
I can see the appeal to merl1n's early stuff, but I think it's being given a pass too much on some fronts just because BeginnerForumMafia, which is lazy/easy to take advantage of.
I think Empoof would take advantage of the open gamestate more as a wolf, have the feeling that his holding back and being tentative is somewhat villagery.
reading cuth's iso and this post stands out to me as being really normal in tone for cuth? but I'm not the best cuth reader
GeneralHankerchief
12-09-2019, 15:17
On Cuth
No, I haven't really commented on him much. He and I haven't really ever been in the thread at the same time and that's how I've usually been able to find him in the past. From what I've read of his posts in my catchups, I think he's a reasonable enough counterwagon to Egix today, but I'd mostly like to flip Egix at this point for selfish reasons (also I think that Egix has a higher chance of being scum anyway). He was in my POE at start of day and probably isn't going to be able to work himself out of it at any point during the game, so sure.
F3 with Monty and Choxorn
Kind of a dumb question to ask me on D2 considering that, presumably, there's going to be a lot more data that happens between now and then in said hypothetical. That said, assuming the three of us are locked in stasis or something between now and then, I probably vote Choxorn just because it means that his still being alive at that point almost certainly invalidates his claim. Why did you ask that question, specifically?
Logic's reads on ladd
Don't really have much to say here, I think ladd is town. Logic's allowed to be wrong.
My light gut read on Empoof
I had a light gut read on Empoof.
logic, how do you feel about cuth knowing that he's like...the only other person that really questioned the consensus read on zack?
On Cuth
No, I haven't really commented on him much. He and I haven't really ever been in the thread at the same time and that's how I've usually been able to find him in the past. From what I've read of his posts in my catchups, I think he's a reasonable enough counterwagon to Egix today, but I'd mostly like to flip Egix at this point for selfish reasons (also I think that Egix has a higher chance of being scum anyway). He was in my POE at start of day and probably isn't going to be able to work himself out of it at any point during the game, so sure.
f.
Well I'd like to know what those are.
Don't be shy now, Hank :wink:
Vote:Logic
Sheep me bronanas
I like Newyn. I don't know if I'm comfortable calling him either alignment yet, though.
Pzelda's opening was rather bizarre and really really awkward if wolf, so villager points there. In particular the interaction with Zack.
I'm unsettled by wagon comp on Monty, think I'd rather hold off there for now, since I'm personally not confident on reading him generically speaking.
Was going to vote Logic, but now I sorta think him calling GH and Zack null, if lazy particularly in the first case, is mildly villagery.
Hum ho.
I kind of dont like the read he gives pzelda here but I wonder if it's wolfy or not. Like I don't like it because we know that pzelda was a wolf but would cuth have been more likely to bus here than defend a bro? I just don't know
I do think Monty looks better, and I'm less comfortable with my company on that wagon
plus Barto is definitely pretty low-key
and I think it's a helpful lynch no matter what
I do think this looks decent though
4 El Barto (Montmorency, Zack, Empoof, ladd)
3 Montmorency (El Barto, Pzelda, Cuthillius)
most recent vote tally at the time
monty was trending up relatively heavily, i've been reading zack soundly villager all game, and i also thought empoof was town-- my only real hesitation there was gh wolf-reading him pretty strongly
didn't and still don't really have much of a personal opinion on ladd's alignment
at this point i was on board with the idea of el barto because, like i said (more or less), he typically has a certain fire that was, as zack pointed out, definitely lacking
also i think there's been a similar lynch in the past with me on the wrong side? something like that
i remember this being a Thing before
but the other option was just a completely disengaged village barto who'd been about the most talked about person this game, and that wouldn't be a terrible lynch either if it came to that
also while i was initially reading pzelda as villagery because his posting was too awkward, other people who actually knew him were saying otherwise so that was trending down
but i didn't have as much reason to go there or anywhere else, barto was the strongest wolfread i had apart from private tinfoils which were coming in and out of style throughout the phase
and more explanation of the vote - a little weirded out at what he said he said before because I've basically quoted it and he didn't give much on the el barto thing.
I'm still kind of null on cuth
I don't lock him. I only lock insaner and maybe one other player. People throw around the word "lock" too lightly these days. Perhaps "people" have more confidence in their town reads than you do? If these people had consistently bad "lock-town" reads, I might be inclined to agree with you. But in my experience, if they've got a good record reading people they've locked, it's not my business to criticize their terminology. I'm not sure why you've picked this particular point to shade, as I don't understand a town or a scum motivation for it.
You understand why that would make someone nervous vis-a-vis a hypothetical scum-Logic?
Is that not what I said, in so many words?
Is it wrong to say you are taking pot shots rather than solving? What i noticed about yesterday's reads is you only town-read consensus town, shaded me and Cuth, and voted Ladd with hard attacks. Abstractly, is this consistent with Logic scum meta on interactions with the thread? I feel like your engagement should have been more holistic as town.
Only town reads were consensus: TRUE
Shaded you and Cuth: TRUE
Voted LAdd with hard attacks: TRUE
Consistent with Logic's scum meta: FALSE
C'mon Monty. You should know this. You saw how I was in chess and how hopelessly flawed my scumgame is.
logic, how do you feel about cuth knowing that he's like...the only other person that really questioned the consensus read on zack?
I feel like everyone should question Zack's towniness because he is a player I would fear the crap out of in a lategame scenario.
However, Cuth's suspicion feels weird. I am having trouble seeing his perspective on Zack as from a town POV.
Vote:Logic
Sheep me bronanas Fable
Were I to ISO you, would I find anything, my friend?
I feel like everyone should question Zack's towniness because he is a player I would fear the crap out of in a lategame scenario.
However, Cuth's suspicion feels weird. I am having trouble seeing his perspective on Zack as from a town POV.
but...you have the same perspective, don't you?
GeneralHankerchief
12-09-2019, 16:40
I feel like everyone should question Zack's towniness because he is a player I would fear the crap out of in a lategame scenario.
However, Cuth's suspicion feels weird. I am having trouble seeing his perspective on Zack as from a town POV.
Zack dunked on Barto within the first, like, 20 minutes of the game. That's not how he treats partners.
Nobody should even bother with him until lylo.
but...you have the same perspective, don't you?
Saying "Zack went from null to probably town, but tinfoil fears are still a thing" is not the same as Cuth's "I dunno why you are all so diehard reading Zack as town" (both paraphrased)
Don't hunt them. Why would you need to do that? What did third parties ever do to hurt you?
Just thinking about the ways this game still can be lost. With both wolves being already caught and all that.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/e9eed7d8f8d43522859472d6c36cdd77/tenor.gif?itemid=4136453
Saying "Zack went from null to probably town, but tinfoil fears are still a thing" is not the same as Cuth's "I dunno why you are all so diehard reading Zack as town" (both paraphrased)
it kind of is. And I'm talking about d1 reads specifically. You didn't have zack as probably town d1 that I saw (still have to full iso you) so it felt very similar to cuth's perspective. But you can't understand it at all?
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 17:45
Cuth says he doesn't bus and that he hates it, but he busses literally every game I've played with him
Cue him saying it's just a coincidence. Mhm, sure it is
this
this is why i wouldn't do it this game
if you have any shred of doubt
it's because this specific thing right here has been going on for years and i'm tired of it
just so we're clear here
GeneralHankerchief
12-09-2019, 17:47
this
this is why i wouldn't do it this game
if you have any shred of doubt
it's because this specific thing right here has been going on for years and i'm tired of it
just so we're clear here
I think I might believe this?
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 17:48
Why is this post being ignored. His read on Capage says it all.
yes, especially after i went around asking people "hey am i wrong does he do this as a villager" before he got super suspected and about to be lynched?
it's not like my read there was static by any means
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 17:50
That makes that paragraph even more bizarre then
this was after i started liking monty better, like i said i was considering voting logic, didn't want to naked unvote because it's a waste of space
but i didn't really have anyone better to vote at that point
ehat specifically did you like more abiut monty?
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 17:55
I think the POE spread doesn't evoke confidence. Too many nullish people, with overlap among the too many people laying low as the Big Names talk it up. Cuth's reaction to pressure today has been, how do you say, frozen? Here's what I expect for when I come back toward EOD: keep Cuth in the lead and if he's scum, there's going to be CFD activity. If not then it's more likely a case of "dead air, dead townie" and that's the point at which I will consider a yolo vote.
i just want to note, for the record, that "frozen" seems a really, really, tunnely way to look at my posts today
and maybe it's just because i've not had a ton of time to post in and so it feels like i've said a lot more than i have without that context
but i certainly don't think i've been inactive or like
giving up/deflating nearly like i would as a wolf in this situation even
pretty sure i've made, like, a pretty reasonable chunk of posts/words this phase
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 17:55
ehat specifically did you like more abiut monty?
i saw the question before, will get to it in a moment
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 17:57
logic, how do you feel about cuth knowing that he's like...the only other person that really questioned the consensus read on zack?
i'm sorry, what? i don't remember ever doing this
i've read zack solidly town all game?
Fable
Were I to ISO you, would I find anything, my friend?
Memes
i'm sorry, what? i don't remember ever doing this
i've read zack solidly town all game?
i quoted it earlier today
I think I might believe this?
I do too, kinda.
So I presume those "selfish reasons" were just ~raisins~ huh?
Everyone sees logic just trying to fill space right?
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 18:04
gh's wall shortly beforehand
not like a top wolf read but
monty was trending up because i didn't find anything objectionable about his posts after the initial one i took issue with and the homesiters were all saying he was rather villagery
ladd here's the post
i'd voted him/had suspicions initially basically entirely because of how he talked about me early on that i didn't like (game-wise, wasn't offended or anything lol)
but then his other posts were fine and didn't make that suspicion greater and people much more used to him were overwhelmingly calling him v-- you'll notice that i mentioned my opinion of him changing shortly after gh posted his reads
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 18:08
i quoted it earlier today
um
well i just looked through all of your posts today and i can't find any mention of my read on him apart from me calling him a villager
so i don't know where that's coming from, i'd appreciate you requoting perhaps?
but that confirms my perception that logic taking that and running with it is super sketch
like he was just all oh yeah cuth totally was suspicious of zack that's pretty bad
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 18:10
logic, how do you feel about cuth knowing that he's like...the only other person that really questioned the consensus read on zack?
I feel like everyone should question Zack's towniness because he is a player I would fear the crap out of in a lategame scenario.
However, Cuth's suspicion feels weird. I am having trouble seeing his perspective on Zack as from a town POV.
but...you have the same perspective, don't you?
Saying "Zack went from null to probably town, but tinfoil fears are still a thing" is not the same as Cuth's "I dunno why you are all so diehard reading Zack as town" (both paraphrased)
this interaction is absolutely bizarre
Logic what was going through your head
did you also read one of my posts specifically as saying that or are you just taking dya's word for it
could you please quote the post where i said anything remotely along the lines of "I dunno why you are all so diehard reading Zack as town"
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 18:16
My scumgame has not evolved much since chess in 2017. I have a single scum game under my belt where I survived past N3 (of, 9ish?) and most of those I was the D1 or D2 lynch. My only real talent as scum is not spewing my teammates.
for the record, at a quick glance over his posts logic didn't mention either of the wolves d1
he spent most of the day saying ladd was a wolf and then walked it back at the start of today
um
well i just looked through all of your posts today and i can't find any mention of my read on him apart from me calling him a villager
so i don't know where that's coming from, i'd appreciate you requoting perhaps?
but that confirms my perception that logic taking that and running with it is super sketch
like he was just all oh yeah cuth totally was suspicious of zack that's pretty bad
I think I misread your stuff on insaner as being for zack :oops:
I just reread your ISO and that's what makes the most sense
Everyone sees logic just trying to fill space right?
Compare that with your "memes" and tell me what you think is actually better.
Compare that with your "memes" and tell me what you think is actually better.
My memes obv
Zack dunked on Barto within the first, like, 20 minutes of the game. That's not how he treats partners.
Nobody should even bother with him until lylo.
:yes:
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 19:14
vote: Logic
let me summarize your game as i see it
you don't talk about the wolves at all
you strongly v-read insaner, the consensus read who's all over the place, and you cast doubt on zack, the one who's likely to actually get things done in this crowd
originally this is just because you don't find anything particularly ai about his posts
when justifying this suspicion on d2, you say it's because you'd be suspicious in a late-game scenario, but it's d2 and you've been doing it out of the gate
you push ladd, rescind once no longer viable
you find people suspicious for pushes without weight behind them and then make a few yourself
thoughts?
Cuthillius
Hmm. It does seem other than in the early random posting stage you never called zack anything but villagery. I seem to remember it differently, and I don't know why.
My memes obv
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Cuthillius
Hmm. It does seem other than in the early random posting stage you never called zack anything but villagery. I seem to remember it differently, and I don't know why.
Hotlink.doubt.mu.gif
I mean not doing stuff is better than pretending to do stuff
vote: Logic
let me summarize your game as i see it
you don't talk about the wolves at all
you strongly v-read insaner, the consensus read who's all over the place, and you cast doubt on zack, the one who's likely to actually get things done in this crowd
originally this is just because you don't find anything particularly ai about his posts
when justifying this suspicion on d2, you say it's because you'd be suspicious in a late-game scenario, but it's d2 and you've been doing it out of the gate
you push ladd, rescind once no longer viable
you find people suspicious for pushes without weight behind them and then make a few yourself
thoughts?
I have made a single push for the only person I have suspected. I'm still formulating a few worlds in my mind. Right now I'm suspecting Fable most, but it's the dissonance of their pushes that make me think there's something off there.
You and scoobs are probably the only ones that have any idea what good scum Logic looks like, and that's partially because the Playground werewolf scene doesn't take itself too seriously and that my tells are not seen for tells. I can also definitively say that my scum signs are not present in the game, and that you should know by now.
But, vote me if you think that's where you need to go. You're wrong.
I mean not doing stuff is better than pretending to do stuff
I disagree on the "Pretending"
Vote: Fable
I disagree on the "Pretending"
Vote: Fable
Cool talk about how I memed all day then bused last minute for no reason.
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 19:29
i'll be honest, i'm not considering fable right now because and only because he was way up at the top of gh's readslist
which players in the game are you decidedly not considering?
Cool talk about how I memed all day then bused last minute for no reason.
I thought you just said you were "doing nothing?"
You had said Monty/Barto were probably both misses, and also declined to vote ladd. So why Pzelda?
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 19:29
sorry for the repetitive wording, that's what you get when you eat a banana chip in between the two lines of your post
i'll be honest, i'm not considering fable right now because and only because he was way up at the top of gh's readslist
which players in the game are you decidedly not considering?
But you will once Logic flips town.
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 19:38
But you will once Logic flips town.
those two things aren't particularly connected in my head, to be honest
i'll be honest, i'm not considering fable right now because and only because he was way up at the top of gh's readslist
which players in the game are you decidedly not considering?
Actually.
Logic was an even more confident town read of GH. He said Logic lock town.
GeneralHankerchief
12-09-2019, 19:39
Town
Zack
Fable
Insaner
Choxorn
Choxorn
Probably town
Logic
Montmorency
ladd
Low town
Cuth
merl1n
idk my bff jill
Csargo
dya
Newyn
Mafia
Egix
---
Some thoughts:
Fable's in the top category along with Zack and Insaner and, yes, ahead of Logic. Let me explain. Aside from replicating what I consider to be one of his town mindsets on D1, Fable swooped in near the end and put a decisive vote on pzelda. A potential bus, yes, but he got some cred with it. Now, indulge me for a minute for a thought exercise. Let's say you're mafia!Fable and you're on a team D1 with pzelda, El Barto, and somebody else. Zelda and Barto both got serious pressure, so bussing might be in order... but what has he done with the cred? Posted a gif and referred to "memes" while referencing the fact that he voted mafia yesterday. Fable's a better mafioso than this. Barto being vigged doesn't change the calculus of mafia!Fable's potential mindset for me, dude was never long for this world and Fable would have known it. This complete lack of putting on airs is not how a deeper scum behaves, ever.
Choxorn is his own category. If he's actually a tracker, the mafia can't afford to leave him alive indefinitely. If he's not, then we'll know.
My dropping Logic down a category is more of a holistic sense of how I feel the game going more than any post or posts he's made. I've noticed in general quite a bit of friction between the three GITPers (Logic, Cuth, and Newyn) in terms of trying to find each other in the game, a friction that I do not believe would be as present if all three were town. My having Logic at least one category above the other two people speaks to how I still feel about him, but it's a feeling I can't quite shake.
As for my two low towns, Cuth's placement there is mostly his response to Zack's one post that I pointed out a couple of hours ago, where he says that he wouldn't bus in this exact game and these exact circumstances precisely because of what Zack highlighted, and it just struck me as very townie in the moment. I like to think that I know Cuth decently well from our previous games together as well as our time designing and running the most recent Anni game, and it just lines up very well with what I know of Cuth. His partner in this section, merl1n, has posted very well and is keeping up a good amount of effort, but he doesn't get to break into the above categories because of how D1 shook out.
The "idk my bff jill" section consists of people I haven't really had the time or effort to better sort. Sorry about that, nothing personal. I'm picking up some very minor scum vibes from dya, mostly because she hasn't hit those little town notes that I ascribe to her town game (Zack that last part was just to see if you're paying attention), but I'm not entirely certain how much of that can be chalked up to general fatigue since her past two games have both ended in intense f3s.
sorry for the repetitive wording, that's what you get when you eat a banana chip in between the two lines of your post
I read it as explicitly lamp-shading your hedging, honestly. Which, I guess would be TWTBAW territory, but I don't really like that style of thinking.
I'm not considering (TODAY)
Locktowns: Zack, Insaner
Probably towns: Monty, Merlin, ladd
Vote only if one of the above is on the chopping block:
GH, Choxorn (only here because claimed tracker, would be one lower otherwise)
Could find myself voting here:
Cuth, Csargo, Scoobs(newyn)
POE
Fable, Egix, Dya
Actually.
Logic was an even more confident town read of GH. He said Logic lock town.
Hey Logic. Cuth is just making shit up at this point. You should join me on him.
Hey Logic. Cuth is just making shit up at this point. You should join me on him.
And GH has just dropped you on his read list. Thoughts on that?
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 19:43
ya i'm ok with that
and all your responses honestly
you're very much on the solid middle part of the road and haven't gone in either of the directions i could see you going as a wolf in these specific cirumstances
vote: Egix
I thought you just said you were "doing nothing?"
You had said Monty/Barto were probably both misses, and also declined to vote ladd. So why Pzelda?
I literally switched from Ladd to Zelda and explained the vote.
Just admit you're not paying attention lol.
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 19:46
i
really like dya's posting today and i can't figure out why
there's not the (overly) stereotypical single-minded push on a suspect or frustration that often gets her v-read
and that and other peoples' opinions have typically formed a decent chunk of my opinion on her in the past
but i have a hard time seeing her as a wolf here and now and it almost bothers me a little
maybe just those anni host soulreads who knows
ya i'm ok with that
and all your responses honestly
you're very much on the solid middle part of the road and haven't gone in either of the directions i could see you going as a wolf in these specific cirumstances
vote: Egix
Cuth, are you talking to/about me in this post?
driving home
will be around in an hour or so
I have made a single push for the only person I have suspected. I'm still formulating a few worlds in my mind. Right now I'm suspecting Fable most, but it's the dissonance of their pushes that make me think there's something off there.
You and scoobs are probably the only ones that have any idea what good scum Logic looks like, and that's partially because the Playground werewolf scene doesn't take itself too seriously and that my tells are not seen for tells. I can also definitively say that my scum signs are not present in the game, and that you should know by now.
But, vote me if you think that's where you need to go. You're wrong.
I don't remember you having this same attitude when you were being wagoned/about to be lynched in the Valentine's Day game.
I literally switched from Ladd to Zelda and explained the vote.
Just admit you're not paying attention lol.
(I'm paying attention, but apparently not retaining much)
I do remember you saying early to kill ladd, but I don't remember a vote for ladd.
I also just reread your pzelda vote, and I don't think that explains it all that well, considering how much you were suspecting ladd all that time.
It boils down to either lazy town, or bussing scum for credit. I'm reading the latter as more likely, especially since you seem to be trying so hard to paint your actions as the former.
every1 seems to point to general as always reading logic right if general is good. what is the sample size on that? has he really never been wrong on logics alignment when good?
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 20:02
Cuth, are you talking to/about me in this post?
yes i am
I don't remember you having this same attitude when you were being wagoned/about to be lynched in the Valentine's Day game.
Which one was that? The Hydra where I was the poison healer with Capage? Pretty sure I said I do my best work when pressured there, and was fine with the votes on me.
If you want a sample of my scum game, Princess Bride, both A & B are quite emblematic of my scum-style.
fable is 1 of my stronger good reads i think. i think his vote on pzelda is the opposite of bussing and trying to get credit from it. it seemed more focused on not lynching ladd and him feeling bad if it happened bc he was memeing
logic, i think my prblm with u is how much difference there is in ur push on ladd vs. what you had to say about ne1 else. it was multi-facted and in depth with a lot backing it up but you dont really have a strong read of that level on anything else good or bad
if u were some1 else who didnt have exp with you, why would you think you were good?
(I'm paying attention, but apparently not retaining much)
I do remember you saying early to kill ladd, but I don't remember a vote for ladd.
I also just reread your pzelda vote, and I don't think that explains it all that well, considering how much you were suspecting ladd all that time.
It boils down to either lazy town, or bussing scum for credit. I'm reading the latter as more likely, especially since you seem to be trying so hard to paint your actions as the former.
This is not a real thought. How much I was suspecting Ladd? I never explained the vote lmao (It was some stuff seemed lazy early but he was fine later on). And bus cred? Really? If I wanted to play that way I'd be one of the top posters rn I don't believe in busing if you're not pulling weight as a wolf and I never bus d1 anyway. You seen me wolf and I'm planets away from that and you know that. You don't believe anything you're saying and it's obvious.
im still primarily focusing on ppl who didnt vote for a bad yesterday
that is [choxorn, egix, logic, newyn, myself]
choxorn is tracker claim and is probably good for it i think. i think. it guarantees he wont win personally and hes not trying to have impct on game. idk. hes not on docket for now anyway
i think newyn is good, ive tlked about this a few times. i havent liked his posts while i was catching up as much but i think its more that they didnt do anything for me to agree with them vs thinking hes bad
logic i thought was good on d1 bc of his ladd posts, and other ppl have vouched for him. trying to figure out if thats good enough now with the knolwadge that ladd was prbably good. if ppl vouching for him is a large enough sample im ok with leaving that be, but i dnt see it myself yet
that leaves egix who im voting. my hesitation/problem with egix is that he doesnt seem to all that much care that hes probably gonna die. maybe its a forum vs. irl game thing, but theres usually more panic/pushback from bads who are being turned against and they try 2 actually survive and win. el barto and pzelda didnt either tho i guess
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We chose from a limited selection of tiny total war themed portraits and we liked it
I remember back when the org didn't have custom avatars
We chose from a limited selection of tiny total war themed portraits and we liked it
It's true. :2thumbsup:
open question for ppl
put urself in the head of a bad at the end of day. two of your partners r up for vote and arent doing much to help themselves, right? u decide to vote a partner to try and salvage something of the situation. who looks like someone committing to that to try and get credit vs. playing it natural?
open question for ppl
put urself in the head of a bad at the end of day. two of your partners r up for vote and arent doing much to help themselves, right? u decide to vote a partner to try and salvage something of the situation. who looks like someone committing to that to try and get credit vs. playing it natural?
General Hankerchief.
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Which one was that? The Hydra where I was the poison healer with Capage? Pretty sure I said I do my best work when pressured there, and was fine with the votes on me.
If you want a sample of my scum game, Princess Bride, both A & B are quite emblematic of my scum-style.
Where can I find that/those game/s?
logic, i think my prblm with u is how much difference there is in ur push on ladd vs. what you had to say about ne1 else. it was multi-facted and in depth with a lot backing it up but you dont really have a strong read of that level on anything else good or bad
if u were some1 else who didnt have exp with you, why would you think you were good?
I don't expect anyone without knowledge of my player specific meta to think I'm good. I always look a bit scummy no matter my alignment.
As for Ladd specifically, I saw a couple posts that concerned me, and followed up on those. I currently believe I was following a dead end. Others so far, haven't made posts that cause me significant concern.
Insaner I might vote for cuthillius today, but him suspecting, pressuring, and dropping me has me thinking he just might be town. I don't know if he gives up like that on something so easily? I'm not sure what to make of it, but I'm not ruling out him pocketing me, and I've already said I dislike making decisions solely on a "TWTBAW" basis, but that's a really weird move to drop a scumread of me from so little interaction.
i
really like dya's posting today and i can't figure out why
there's not the (overly) stereotypical single-minded push on a suspect or frustration that often gets her v-read
and that and other peoples' opinions have typically formed a decent chunk of my opinion on her in the past
but i have a hard time seeing her as a wolf here and now and it almost bothers me a little
maybe just those anni host soulreads who knows
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This is not a real thought. How much I was suspecting Ladd? I never explained the vote lmao (It was some stuff seemed lazy early but he was fine later on). And bus cred? Really? If I wanted to play that way I'd be one of the top posters rn I don't believe in busing if you're not pulling weight as a wolf and I never bus d1 anyway. You seen me wolf and I'm planets away from that and you know that. You don't believe anything you're saying and it's obvious.
It is a real thought. I've seen you wolf in champs, and nowhere else that I can recall.
You pretty much started your day with "kill ladd" and said it was easy read, kinda repeat that a few times without really looking at anyone else, and then.... you vote pzelda because you would feel bad about a lazy vote?
I don't think logîc is wölfy at åll
lunching logic is a terrible idea
and I was typing this post before zack wrote his
what you think about csargo, zack?
what you think about csargo, zack?
The same as when you last asked me about him (" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ")
The same as when you last asked me about him (" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ")
I thought I only asked about scoobs and cuth
oh well
sadly they are all shrug for me too
I don't think cuth/csargo are wolves together fwiw
and I don't think csargo is with dya either
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 20:45
I don't think logîc is wölfy at åll
i found the whole going along with dya saying that i'd maligned your villageriness pretty suspicious
and he's not done that much otherwise
but he's really villagery
and he's just that here 96% of the time i think
My reads list is pretty similar to gh's I think :crazy:
I don't think logîc is wölfy at åll
lunching logic is a terrible idea
and I was typing this post before zack wrote his
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can ppl talk about WHY logic is good/a poor lynch? is it a case of playing w/ them before?
vote: dyachei
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I don't think logîc is wölfy at åll
lunching logic is a terrible idea
and I was typing this post before zack wrote his
I was reading Zack's post with special characters as sarcastic. At least Ladd has my back?
Are you guys both reading Fable as misguided town, or barking up the wrong tree scum trying to make an anti consensus mislynch? I'm bordering on unvoting him, because it seems a very odd move to be this dedicated to a read if he's a wolf.
i found the whole going along with dya saying that i'd maligned your villageriness pretty suspicious
and he's not done that much otherwise
but he's really villagery
and he's just that here 96% of the time i think
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I thought I only asked about scoobs and cuth
oh well
sadly they are all shrug for me too
I don't think cuth/csargo are wolves together fwiw
and I don't think csargo is with dya either
Oh you may be right my bad
hey dya, why did you choose to ISO people in the order you did?
I was reading Zack's post with special characters as sarcastic. At least Ladd has my back?
Are you guys both reading Fable as misguided town, or barking up the wrong tree scum trying to make an anti consensus mislynch? I'm bordering on unvoting him, because it seems a very odd move to be this dedicated to a read if he's a wolf.
It wasn't sarcastic, I am just unpredictable and dangerous, perhaps because I haven't shaved in over a week
I think he's a villager
can ppl talk about WHY logic is good/a poor lynch? is it a case of playing w/ them before?
I think he believed hi push on me d1 and his thought process for it was pretty good
his posts today seem perfectly fine too and it's true that he isn't a good wolf
+ gh read on him
and ya, fable is likely just a villa
I just don't think this is how they'd wolf
choxorn may just be a wolf tbh
It wasn't sarcastic, I am just unpredictable and dangerous, perhaps because I haven't shaved in over a week
I think he's a villager
that's hwo you got that moustache?
I think he believed hi push on me d1 and his thought process for it was pretty good
his posts today seem perfectly fine too and it's true that he isn't a good wolf
+ gh read on him
ok. my concern is that the push on u is only thing he did d1, and i dnt like his push on fable today. feel like hes spending more time talking about how hes poor as bad and not actually thinking about ppl in game all that much
im just focusing on the ppl who didnt vote for bads on d1 first bc i dont want to vote someone who did vote for a bad over them until im sure all the ppl im looking at are good
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 20:57
can ppl talk about WHY logic is good/a poor lynch? is it a case of playing w/ them before?
yeah i think i have a general idea of his approach
we're fellow homesiters, but i think i know more about how he plays from seeing a game or two offsite/talking to him since in all honesty
he's quite good at being... straightforward, reasonable, doesn't tend to go for out of the box thinking (which isn't really a bad thing), tends to have a slightly calcified viewpoint on a game after a certain amount of time (again not a terribly uncommon trait, but it's a thing)
more importantly, though, he's not the most self-confident go out there guns blazing kind of person under any circumstances, and certainly not against people who he'd feel like overall have a decent chance of being able to read him
i'm basing my read mostly on his responses to my questions, because i don't think a lot of the rest is especially ai
he was very much collected and said just about everything i'd expect villager!him to say without showing any nervousness or signs that he's not just saying it like it is
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 20:58
choxorn may just be a wolf tbh
i'd assume that'd mean egix isn't one, though?
and i'd rather go the other way around maybe
i don't know
it was clearer in my head earlier
choxorn may just be a wolf tbh
It was a weird spot to claim
The result wasn't useful and there was still 40 plus hours or whatever until the lunch
I'm probably still not touching it because it's true he never survives the game with that claim
merlin, can you explain what exactly felt artificial about insaner posts d1 and why did you say you liked him cliaming a 100% read on pzelda but made no effort trying to sort out pzelda and see if insaner may havehad apoint?
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@ merl1n I have a 100% wolf read on GH here.
GeneralHankerchief
12-09-2019, 21:05
Assuming 4 mafia in the game (typical for a 17er), we should in no universe be looking at Choxorn until we flip the third at minimum. Closed setup + not full flips so you have to worry about ninja modifiers running around, but assuming he's telling the truth he basically becomes a full cop when there's only one scum left.
I see insaner is reprising the cemeteries role here.
@ merl1n I have a 100% wolf read on GH here.
If I was in a position of tiebreaking GH or chox, I'd vote for GH 95% of the time.
Also, I doubt there are any 3p in this game
If I was in a position of tiebreaking GH or chox, I'd vote for GH 95% of the time.
I can feel gh's internal screaming from here
I see insaner is reprising the cemeteries role here.
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Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 21:08
we're not touching a hair on gh's head here
merlin, can you explain what exactly felt artificial about insaner posts d1 and why did you say you liked him cliaming a 100% read on pzelda but made no effort trying to sort out pzelda and see if insaner may havehad apoint?
he just felt really artificial. he'd oscillate between kind of crazy aggression with seeming rlly overly reasonable/kind of slimy posts. kind of a caricature maybe? IME bads tend to be a lot more aggressive and try to get their way and he fit that archetype, especially when ppl were voting for ppl that felt like they just hadnt done anything to read into. i still dont understand y ppl picked el barto and pzelda over the like 6 other ppl who hadnt done anything, thats why i felt so hesitant/suspicious towards ppl pushing on the low content lynches. csargo got mentioned bsiclly 0 times on d1 for example. dyachei wasnt here and got barely talked about. logic had the post on u then disappeared. i did read pzelda and try to figure out what i thought, i made a post saying they cld die after doing so, maybe i should have been more clear? i just didnt feel like there was anything in there that made them good or bad and ppl having such sure reads felt rlly weird to me on d1. d1 is usually just killing someone who is suspicious and then real game starts on n1/d2. its unfortunate reality that i found most of the ppl pushing pzelda to be suspicious but theres a good chance they were all good. or mostly good. i have 1 person on that vote that im looking into atm. i liked insaner having that 100% confidence bc if he was a bad pushing a lynch on a good it makes him accountable for it and hed be under a lot of scrutiny, so i thought it made him more likely good. theres a small part of me that is kind of scared he had that 100% confidence because he knew pzelda was bad tho, bc i dont like any other reads hes pushing right now i dont think
we're not touching a hair on gh's head here
That is quite dirty and rather inappropriate, cuth.
we're not touching a hair on gh's head here
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Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 21:10
That is quite dirty and rather inappropriate, cuth.
we're not touching gh at all
I can feel gh's internal screaming from here
Why? It would be consistent with his post in 1170. lul
ya i think general is very likely good here, and i dont understand insaners posts abt him
a bit at loss on who exactly to lynch
I think the PoE is good and I am very confident on my villas but as for the rest it's just shrug
I guess I should start collecting non w/w reads on the people in the PoE and see where that brings me
ya i think general is very likely good here, and i dont understand insaners posts abt him
What makes general good iyo?
open question for ppl
put urself in the head of a bad at the end of day. two of your partners r up for vote and arent doing much to help themselves, right? u decide to vote a partner to try and salvage something of the situation. who looks like someone committing to that to try and get credit vs. playing it natural?
cld more ppl answer this? "what were bads actually doing" feels like an important thing to consider with the votes being what they were
What makes general good iyo?
the chain of command
cld more ppl answer this? "what were bads actually doing" feels like an important thing to consider with the votes being what they were
Nobody besides me has considered it.
If people have, there would be more people wolf reading GH right now.
I remember back when the org didn't have custom avatars
We chose from a limited selection of tiny total war themed portraits and we liked it
and the GAH was the GAY
What makes general good iyo?
i think the combination of posts he had about el barto and pzelda makes him very unlikely to be a partner with both of them. if one was bad and the other good i think hed be possible, but both seems unlikely to me. he also went against the grain w/ a read on me in a way that felt real. if he was bad hed have room to actually push me today on the back of that since i was so wrong on d1 but he hasnt
GeneralHankerchief
12-09-2019, 21:25
cld more ppl answer this? "what were bads actually doing" feels like an important thing to consider with the votes being what they were
Well, look at it empirically. PZelda wasn't around. Barto was... doing whatever that was. That's two of the (presumed) four who weren't really having much of an impact at EOD.
Let's say the third was Egix just for argument's sake. Egix's last post of D1 was this, with an hour and 40 minutes before the lynch:
All right, you know what
Unvote
Vote: ladd
Choo choo mothertruckers
He moved off Monty to ladd, both of whom I have as town, at a time when PZelda was starting to pick up momentum.
(here's the tally 45 minutes before the Egix vote, not quite up to date at the time of the vote, but should give you a decent picture + movement to Pzelda:)
Tally:
4 Montmorency (El Barto, Pzelda, Cuthillius, Egix)
4 El Barto (Montmorency, Zack, Empoof, ladd)
1 Csargo (GH)
1 Choxorn (Newyn)
1 PZelda (Insaner)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
2 Ladd (Fable, Logic)
Not voting: Merl1n, Dyachei, Csargo
LMK if i've made a mistake.
So Egix was trying to get a town lynched.
That leaves the fourth. It's looking like it's between PZelda, Choxorn, and Barto. ladd was kind of in contention but I personally don't really think that he was ever in serious danger there, simply because too many people, myself included, wanted to give him a day out of respect for his solving skills. In a situation like this, where you have mafia/mafia/town (presumed) wagons, and one of your other partners is already on town, what do you do?
1 Montmorency (Pzelda,)
4 El Barto (Zack, Cuth, Csargo, Monty)
5 PZelda (Insaner, Dya, GH, Fable, ladd)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
3 Ladd (Logic, Egix, merl1n)
1 Insaner (El Barto)
2 Choxorn (Empoof, Newyn)
I'm not coloring in my leans, only the exact flips so far.
Barto and PZelda were spread out. Egix was on ladd. Do you bunch up on ladd, try for Choxorn, or just bus?
Most of my not-Egix POE are spread out, so I can't think of a good answer. Newyn's in the "try for the town that your other partner not in danger isn't trying for" camp on Choxorn. Csargo could be bussing Barto. dya could be bussing PZelda. You could be doubling up on ladd trying to make sure a townie goes down. Not really sure we can get a full picture with what we know so far, there are too many possible people and too many unknowns at present.
Sometimes, I like to intentionally fail to answer questions and see if the person asking follows up and demands from me an answer. Ladd never did.
Now, I'm not giving him lock-scum, but I don't think this is a good look. Especially seeing how he responded to other posts I have made in the interim.
His push on me seems entirely fake, and that is why I'm not switching, barring some kind of CFD onto someone I think is a villager, where I will vote a counterwagon to said hypothetical villager.
this is the post that made me think "yeah logic is a villager"
"I like to intentionally fail to answer questions and see if the person asking follows up and demands from me an answer" what wolf ever says/does this
i think the combination of posts he had about el barto and pzelda makes him very unlikely to be a partner with both of them. if one was bad and the other good i think hed be possible, but both seems unlikely to me. he also went against the grain w/ a read on me in a way that felt real. if he was bad hed have room to actually push me today on the back of that since i was so wrong on d1 but he hasnt
What posts? GH never talked about pzelda at all until I literally forced his hand by telling him to sheep my god read on Capage. He had little choice in the matter because I would always push his lynch through since people were villa reading me and some were already saying I could be right. Pzelda was always going to die in this game because of my push. The only thing GH he could have done to salvage the situation was get on board with the lynch. You said it yourself.
open question for ppl
put urself in the head of a bad at the end of day. two of your partners r up for vote and arent doing much to help themselves, right? u decide to vote a partner to try and salvage something of the situation. who looks like someone committing to that to try and get credit vs. playing it natural?
Which is exactly what he did. And it was the same thing with El Barto because Zack was always going to get him lynched. I made a post where I included every post GH made about El Barto and pzelda and there wasn't a single one where he actually proactively pushed the lynch on either of them - there was only sheeping. People should not be giving GH credit for either of those flips.
hey i'm on a computer for the first time since friday
neat! :computer:
GeneralHankerchief
12-09-2019, 21:28
Montmorency
The reason I avoided you earlier was because I like to intentionally fail to answer questions and see if the person asking follows up and demands from me an answer.
GeneralHankerchief
12-09-2019, 21:29
What posts? GH never talked about pzelda at all until I literally forced his hand by telling him to sheep my god read on Capage. He had little choice in the matter because I would always push his lynch through since people were villa reading me and some were already saying I could be right. Pzelda was always going to die in this game because of my push. The only thing GH he could have done to salvage the situation was get on board with the lynch. You said it yourself.
Which is exactly what he did. And it was the same thing with El Barto because Zack was always going to get him lynched. I made a post where I included every post GH made about El Barto and pzelda and there wasn't a single one where he actually proactively pushed the lynch on either of them - there was only sheeping. People should not be giving GH credit for either of those flips.
For the most part I'm not going to be engaging with you for the rest of this phase, but the red is completely ridiculous.
I could simply have ignored you, for starters.
Montmorency
The reason I avoided you earlier was because I like to intentionally fail to answer questions and see if the person asking follows up and demands from me an answer.
this is the post that made me think "yeah generalhankerchief is a villager"
"I like to intentionally fail to answer questions and see if the person asking follows up and demands from me an answer" what wolf ever says/does this
Well, look at it empirically. PZelda wasn't around. Barto was... doing whatever that was. That's two of the (presumed) four who weren't really having much of an impact at EOD.
Let's say the third was Egix just for argument's sake. Egix's last post of D1 was this, with an hour and 40 minutes before the lynch:
He moved off Monty to ladd, both of whom I have as town, at a time when PZelda was starting to pick up momentum.
(here's the tally 45 minutes before the Egix vote, not quite up to date at the time of the vote, but should give you a decent picture + movement to Pzelda:)
So Egix was trying to get a town lynched.
That leaves the fourth. It's looking like it's between PZelda, Choxorn, and Barto. ladd was kind of in contention but I personally don't really think that he was ever in serious danger there, simply because too many people, myself included, wanted to give him a day out of respect for his solving skills. In a situation like this, where you have mafia/mafia/town (presumed) wagons, and one of your other partners is already on town, what do you do?
1 Montmorency (Pzelda,)
4 El Barto (Zack, Cuth, Csargo, Monty)
5 PZelda (Insaner, Dya, GH, Fable, ladd)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
3 Ladd (Logic, Egix, merl1n)
1 Insaner (El Barto)
2 Choxorn (Empoof, Newyn)
I'm not coloring in my leans, only the exact flips so far.
Barto and PZelda were spread out. Egix was on ladd. Do you bunch up on ladd, try for Choxorn, or just bus?
Most of my not-Egix POE are spread out, so I can't think of a good answer. Newyn's in the "try for the town that your other partner not in danger isn't trying for" camp on Choxorn. Csargo could be bussing Barto. dya could be bussing PZelda. You could be doubling up on ladd trying to make sure a townie goes down. Not really sure we can get a full picture with what we know so far, there are too many possible people and too many unknowns at present.
Don't forget that Barto did try a vote for Ladd post EOD.
thats the "what happened" pov ya. im thinking more on specifics in terms of how ppl positioned themselves to get credit or not get credit
ive bn focusing on the ppl who didnt vote for a bad but: im good, i think newyn is good, ppl call logic good, that leaves exactly egix. so theres at least 1 and maybe 2 ppl bussing if egix is bad/good respectively. with two bads under fire, who looked like they were trying to turn a shitty situation into something that benefitted them?
For the most part I'm not going to be engaging with you for the rest of this phase, but the red is completely ridiculous.
I could simply have ignored you, for starters.
only the red part was ridiculous?
i'll be honest, i'm not considering fable right now because and only because he was way up at the top of gh's readslist
which players in the game are you decidedly not considering?
but so was logic and you just voted him?
missed that Monty had voted me before
exciting
by the way fable have you mentioned me at all apart from grouping me with newyn and putting me at the bottom of that list
if so I genuinely missed it sorry
speaking of newyn, I don't get the sense anyone's really... trying to figure him out
I really like his d1 on a certain level but a) he knows how to pocket me like a champ sometimes and b) if the last wolf is someone who's very much underwhelming and there's no good way tomorrow is ending I could see you going for the deep bus route
probably a villager but I have my reservations
ladd is in this weird spot where I feel like I should feel something about him but I don't
not great at reading dya but she hasn't had incredibly villagery posts
i
really like dya's posting today and i can't figure out why
there's not the (overly) stereotypical single-minded push on a suspect or frustration that often gets her v-read
and that and other peoples' opinions have typically formed a decent chunk of my opinion on her in the past
but i have a hard time seeing her as a wolf here and now and it almost bothers me a little
maybe just those anni host soulreads who knows
can you explain what made you switch this read so drastically?
I get that you said you can't figure out why, but can you try to go slightly more in detail?
thanks
For the most part I'm not going to be engaging with you for the rest of this phase, but the red is completely ridiculous.
I could simply have ignored you, for starters.
And how would that have turned out for ya.
GeneralHankerchief
12-09-2019, 21:33
Don't forget that Barto did try a vote for Ladd post EOD.
Right, yeah, when it was too late. Still not sure it changes my calculus much. Maybe means a max of one on ladd before Barto moved, just because I think most teams don't like to bunch up that much.
only the red part was ridiculous?
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thats the "what happened" pov ya. im thinking more on specifics in terms of how ppl positioned themselves to get credit or not get credit
ive bn focusing on the ppl who didnt vote for a bad but: im good, i think newyn is good, ppl call logic good, that leaves exactly egix. so theres at least 1 and maybe 2 ppl bussing if egix is bad/good respectively. with two bads under fire, who looked like they were trying to turn a shitty situation into something that benefitted them?
Admit it nobody will give you a better answer than mine.
Right, yeah, when it was too late. Still not sure it changes my calculus much. Maybe means a max of one on ladd before Barto moved, just because I think most teams don't like to bunch up that much.
GH, follow me onto dya.
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Admit it nobody will give you a better answer than mine.
i dont think your answer is right, though, so low bar for them to clear xD
i dont think your answer is right, though, so low bar for them to clear xD
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GeneralHankerchief
12-09-2019, 21:37
GH, follow me onto dya.
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lol, how long have you been waiting to use that one
I'm good for now, mostly because there's an annoying fly that I feel like swatting that will hopefully stop buzzing in my ear once we get Egix.
lol, how long have you been waiting to use that one
I'm good for now, mostly because there's an annoying fly that I feel like swatting that will hopefully stop buzzing in my ear once we get Egix.
This is the kind of post you should have made yesterday. I guess it won't be as easy catching you in the future games eh?
It is a real thought. I've seen you wolf in champs, and nowhere else that I can recall.
You pretty much started your day with "kill ladd" and said it was easy read, kinda repeat that a few times without really looking at anyone else, and then.... you vote pzelda because you would feel bad about a lazy vote?
It's not tho.
Like okay yes you saw me wolf champs am I anywhere near close to that at all? And yeah I voted for zelda because ladd was efforting and would have felt really bad if that was a mislynch (it's important to meme responsibly) and zelda's posts seemed empty af. Similar to yours, I know you can analyze pretty well as a villager and if the best you can do is ignore me all game then tunnel the second I vote you when you clearly have not paid attention to me at all this game and act like you had that read the whole time nah I can't believe that.
Not to mention you have a lot of questions that felt empty, I can pull them up later but the one that stuck out was asking GH to expand on him playing differently than he would on MU. What did you think you were going to learn from that?
Dya is a terrible vote today btw don't do that so says the person who owns dya's soul.
I guess there is an outside chance of cuth/newyn/csargo or choxorn chicanery but I just don't really believe it
I still think it's egix + dya, just like I did during the night and at SOD
now's the part where village implodes on itself after the hot start and rams home three mislynches in a row and my reads are butt :coffeenews:
I guess there is an outside chance of cuth/newyn/csargo or choxorn chicanery but I just don't really believe it
I still think it's egix + dya, just like I did during the night and at SOD
now's the part where village implodes on itself after the hot start and rams home three mislynches in a row and my reads are butt :coffeenews:
minus newyn and maybe plus logic and this is exactly where im at
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 21:46
but so was logic and you just voted him?
can you explain what made you switch this read so drastically?
I get that you said you can't figure out why, but can you try to go slightly more in detail?
thanks
meh but i think i can get to logic better than i can get to fable on my own
also fable was ridiculously high up on his list and i assumed there was a Very Good Reason
and iirc logic wasn't
she made posts today
and genuinely no i can't explain it
i'd like it if you could explain it for me, but i'm at a loss
yesterday i felt oh hey i could lynch dya
today i don't want to
that's the extent of it
How many people are town reading Cuth rn?
Well, fun fact, there's a lot of people I don't know so I don't know how to read them yet. There's a lot of fluff there, from the people I know… Zack's playing so within his meta that he can be anything. Choxorn, well, as you point out, yes, but he's fluffy.
Cuthillius looks town, you… cannot tell, the rest is up for grabs.
But in my brain-fried state I want to vote Insaner simply because of -as I quoted- whatever he's doing with the tallies. Seriously, Monty posts one vote and in the immediate next one Insaner misrepresents Monty's vote in the tally, has been going on about how wolfy people who vote for me are, and then misrepresents Monty as voting for me.
Can we have a real one?
vote:Insaner
fake edit: freaking xposts there's over a dozen posts I haven't read since #631 already.
the random cuth townread is interesting
his read on choxorn does not actually say anything afaict
the random cuth townread is interesting
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idk about recently but afaik dya has tried her best to get away from her busing meta for years so I'm very doubtful she's gonna bus zelda d1 like that.
that zack/gh are good, that everyone involved is alive? it seems to operate under the assumption that you can trust zack/gh to be correct when they could be bad
this was super nitpicky
How many people are town reading Cuth rn?
i'm not reading him as good, but think he's less likely to be bad than a couple others.
i think egix has to die b/c he has the least going for him out of the ppl that didn't vote for a bad yesterday. i think dyachei probably is the most likely bad of the ppl voting for a bad, b/c of the exercise i proposed. i think she was weirdly sure and aggressive on her pzelda push in a way that felt like she was trying 2 get credit for it. csargo and cuth are kind of being maybe unfairly lumped tgther if either of those r wrong, bc i think everyone else is more likely to be good
Tally:
1 Montmorency (Pzelda,)
4 El Barto (Zack, Cuth, Csargo, Monty)
5 PZelda (Insaner, Dya, GH, Fable, ladd)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
3 Ladd (Logic, Egix, merl1n)
1 Insaner (El Barto)
2 CHoxorn (Empoof, Newyn)
LMK if i've made a mistake.
would be very surprised if the zelda and barto voters were all town, especially with an off-wagon nightkill
I'm not a wolf :square:
I doubt insaner, ladd, gh, or monty are ~:grouphug:
don't really think fable is one either :creep:
I don't think csargo is wolfy but hard to clear him. not sure about cuth. and then there's dya. :boxedin:
It's not tho.
Like okay yes you saw me wolf champs am I anywhere near close to that at all? And yeah I voted for zelda because ladd was efforting and would have felt really bad if that was a mislynch (it's important to meme responsibly) and zelda's posts seemed empty af. Similar to yours, I know you can analyze pretty well as a villager and if the best you can do is ignore me all game then tunnel the second I vote you when you clearly have not paid attention to me at all this game and act like you had that read the whole time nah I can't believe that.
Not to mention you have a lot of questions that felt empty, I can pull them up later but the one that stuck out was asking GH to expand on him playing differently than he would on MU. What did you think you were going to learn from that?
You say it's not a real thought, but your reasoning doesn't make any sense for why not.
1 game does not a meta make. You say you were meming, and that Pzelda's posts were empty and that mine are. Why is meming better? It's just as empty, but there is no solving of any kind there. You didn't really come to my attention until you voted me, so I decided to look at you with real scrutiny. The pzelda vote looks like a bus on a teammate that you know is going down, and based on who was here and awake at the time, looks like a good option since you can get some kind of credit in an otherwise bad situation. Since Barto flipped with a role that sounds more like a PR than pzelda did, it looks even MORE like a bus to me.
As for my "empty question" to GH: I never let someone leave a hanging statement like that if I notice it.
"But I'm not in my normal meta" should always be followed up with a "why?"
If they can't explain it, pressure more. GH's answer wasn't great, but it satisfied me for the moment.
RE: Other empty questions: AMA. I'm about to leave the thread soonish to drive home, but I plan to be back for EOD. @ me for ones you specifically want answered.
Who do you guys think is dying at night? I bet it's gonna be Choxorn.
Who do you guys think is dying at night? I bet it's gonna be Choxorn.
I can see maf setting chox up for tinfoil mislynch if he's actually town. I wouldn't kill him until n3 if I were scum.
Who do you guys think is dying at night? I bet it's gonna be Choxorn.
i don't really think this is a productive discussion? seems like it helps bads more than goods
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 22:17
hopefully they shoot the people openly discussing night kills
Who do you guys think is dying at night? I bet it's gonna be Choxorn.
noone answer this ffs
noone answer this ffs
ur following along, but this is what you comment on out of everything that has been happening?
hopefully they shoot the people openly discussing night kills
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hey dya, why did you choose to ISO people in the order you did?
they're in my null pile and I need to sort them
as I said before I started ISOing them. but I'm kind of tired of ISOing rn and keep hoping work will slow down enough for me to have actual interactions with people since I thrive better there
someone also mentioned that i seemed sure with pzelda...I felt like I caught him with a difference in his reads. If you check out the ISO I did of him that day, i pointed it out there
Page 1 of dya's iso is villagery as fuck
part of me is wondering if it might actually be choxorn, despite the suicidal claim. u still dont kill that claim this early bc its so strong, but it doesnt feel like hes trying to figure anything out
Vote: Logic
Between him, Cuth, and dya this is the one I feel best about.
I need sleep. Tref am byth, guys, c'mon win this one for me :2thumbsup:
Vote: Logic
Between him, Cuth, and dya this is the one I feel best about.
I need sleep. Tref am byth, guys, c'mon win this one for me :2thumbsup:
I will vote you over Logic at EoD.
ur following along, but this is what you comment on out of everything that has been happening?
I had only just got here actually, was checking things on another site.
I will vote you over Logic at EoD.
Even though I fully expect to see a green flip.
hey egix
when you claimed, did yiu remember it by heart or check yiur rc?
You say it's not a real thought, but your reasoning doesn't make any sense for why not.
1 game does not a meta make. You say you were meming, and that Pzelda's posts were empty and that mine are. Why is meming better? It's just as empty, but there is no solving of any kind there. You didn't really come to my attention until you voted me, so I decided to look at you with real scrutiny. The pzelda vote looks like a bus on a teammate that you know is going down, and based on who was here and awake at the time, looks like a good option since you can get some kind of credit in an otherwise bad situation. Since Barto flipped with a role that sounds more like a PR than pzelda did, it looks even MORE like a bus to me.
As for my "empty question" to GH: I never let someone leave a hanging statement like that if I notice it.
"But I'm not in my normal meta" should always be followed up with a "why?"
If they can't explain it, pressure more. GH's answer wasn't great, but it satisfied me for the moment.
RE: Other empty questions: AMA. I'm about to leave the thread soonish to drive home, but I plan to be back for EOD. @ me for ones you specifically want answered.
Why are you comparing me to you? I am not you and you arn't me. I always do this as a villager and you're not gonna find any village game I've played in the last 6 months where I'm not like this. I don't know how on earth you can reasonably say that looks like a bus when I could have just not shown up at EoD I could have easily left my vote on ladd and gotten a mislynch if I was a wolf I don't bus on d1 I just don't and you will find 1 example of me trying to do it ever in 3 years iirc.
As far as the question to GH goes that's a bad answer I don't see how that would help anyone figure out GH better seemed like a question you asked just for the sake of it and people play differently on different sites all the time like most people are gonna be lazier off MU than they are on from what I noticed.
I don't buy any of this.
I had only just got here actually, was checking things on another site.
fair enough i guess. just felt like an opportunistic interjection to make yourself look good, but not actually do anything related to the game. are you fully caught up? or just read the most recent post(s)
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 22:34
part of me is wondering if it might actually be choxorn, despite the suicidal claim. u still dont kill that claim this early bc its so strong, but it doesnt feel like hes trying to figure anything out
it might be
but he resolves
Egix, vote Cuthalion here.
Or else.
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hey cuth
tiu and newyin are from same site right?
what s your read on him?
3 Cuth (Insaner, Csargo, Monty)
4 Egix (merl1n, GH, newyn, Cuth))
1 Csargo (Dyachei)
2 Logic (FAble, Egix)
1 Fable (Logic)
1 dyachei (zack)
Not voting: rest of you lot
LMK if there are any errors
im getting cold feet a little on egix bc of the lack of survival attempt
Vote: Logic
Between him, Cuth, and dya this is the one I feel best about.
I need sleep. Tref am byth, guys, c'mon win this one for me :2thumbsup:
wasn t logic one of your top town reads earlier?
and you had dya as null and cuth as a possible wolf
sup?
Cuthillius
12-09-2019, 22:45
hey cuth
tiu and newyin are from same site right?
what s your read on him?
have talked about this
very probably villager
Well, Insan is town unless he hellbussed, which I doubt.
Fable and Logic are still my pet townreads.
And Chox is probably just town, considering his claim.
Oh that's right, I remembered wrong.
It was actually this: I thought that {Fable, Logic} ({town, town} both then and now) was an overall purer wagon than {Zelda, Bart, Cuth} which I had as {null-town, null, null-scum} at the time.
uh oh .-.
uh oh .-.
ya
and he also had cuth/casargo/dya as the immediate PoE so this is not looking good
egix reminds me of some1 that is just looking at their phone and not really paying attention to the game, but sometimes those ppl are just bad, too
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