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• 48/24 phases, at 8pm american eastern. :00 posts/votes are good, :01 posts/votes bad.
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• You will vote for players you want lynched during the day, using the format, Vote: Visorslash. Votes must be in bold to count. You do not need to unvote to vote someone else. I will count your last legal vote as your vote.
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• Alignment will be revealed on death, not role.
Mechanics:
Sample Role PM:
Hi TestPlayer,
image goes here.
You are the Title. You are a townie/villager.
Unfortunately your only power is your vote and your voice.
You win when all threats to the village/town are eliminated.
Flavour/Powers are completely randomised. You may claim your Title if you want, it has no alignment or role implication. Do not post your image in thread obviously. You may claim powers, do not quote, paraphrase (I will obviously be very lenient, so don't be scared, just don't quote me or copy word for word).
Factional kill must be carried.
Wincons:
Village - You win when all threats to the village/town are eliminated.
Wolves - You win when you cannot be prevented from eliminating all threats to the werewolves/mafia.
Third Parties - Unknown.
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Alive:
1. Montmorency
2. Csargo
3. El Barto
4. Choxorn
5. Zack
6. GeneralHankerchief
7. Logic
8. Dyachei
9. Pzelda
10. Fable
11. ladd
12. Cuthillius
13. Egix
14. Newyn
15. Empoof
16. Insaner
17. merl1n
Subs:
1. Snerk
Sorry for the late start.
You may post.
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Countdown to EOD1. (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20191207T11&p0=47&font=cursive)
GeneralHankerchief
12-05-2019, 02:11
Vote: Csargo
Montmorency Csargo El Barto Choxorn
@Zack GeneralHankerchief Logic dyachei pzelda Fable ladd Cuthillius Egix Newyn Empoof Insaner merl1n
According to my pre-game calculations, it was a mathematical certainty that at least one of myself and GeneralHankerchief would be a wolf in this game. I am a villager, therefore I am left no other choice but to conclude that GeneralHankerchief is indubitably a wolf. Please put your affairs in order and acquiesce yourself to the noose, sir.
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
Wazzup!
Is there really no mobile interface on this forum? :(
Mod note:
Please do not thank posts.
(thank you).
El Barto
12-05-2019, 02:17
The random number gods require that I vote for Csargo, so vote:Csargo.
El Barto
12-05-2019, 02:18
Wazzup!
Is there really no mobile interface on this forum? :(
(crosspost edit) Posting from smartphones was once held to be one of the surest tells, and this is a game that takes place in a fictitious past, so it is completely in character for me to suspect you, sir.
El Barto
12-05-2019, 02:18
*fake edit
(crosspost edit) Posting from smartphones was once held to be one of the surest tells, and this is a game that takes place in a fictitious past, so it is completely in character for me to suspect you, sir.
If El Barto was a villager he would've just voted Insaner here for using a phone without the overwrought explanation.
Yes, this is a somewhat serious read.
El Barto
12-05-2019, 02:22
Eh I'm a bit busier trying to make sense of D1 at the CFC game.
If El Barto was a villager he would've just voted Insaner here for using a phone without the overwrought explanation.
Yes, this is a somewhat serious read.
wolfchat SHOOK
If El Barto was a villager he would've just voted Insaner here for using a phone without the overwrought explanation.
Yes, this is a somewhat serious read.
Meh. It felt more like a joke to me.
• Alignment will be revealed on death, not role.
How am I supposed to know if I binked the cop night one?
GeneralHankerchief
How mad do you feel about getting caught by a pre game read?
wolfchat SHOOK
Vote El Barto
Getting cred where I can glgl
Meh. It felt more like a joke to me.
I've been playing with El Barto since before you were born, son.
El Barto
12-05-2019, 02:24
How am I supposed to know if I binked the cop night one?
Vote El Barto
Getting cred where I can glgl
Welcome to totalwar.org.
vote:Empoof
GeneralHankerchief
12-05-2019, 02:25
Sup everyone.
Think there might be a phone interface through Tapatalk or something? Or check skins/styles in a dropdown list at the very bottom of the page, the default should be something like "TheGuild" or "STW" or something, idk, it's been like a decade since I've changed skins here.
Barto defense is interesting because "being busier in another game" (which I don't dispute) doesn't stop him from making a funny vote as opposed to talking about his suspicion.
Welcome to totalwar.org.
vote:Empoof
Thanks, nice place.
GeneralHankerchief
12-05-2019, 02:26
Also to honor this site's heritage I'm going to exclusively use townspeak.
Sup everyone.
Think there might be a phone interface through Tapatalk or something? Or check skins/styles in a dropdown list at the very bottom of the page, the default should be something like "TheGuild" or "STW" or something, idk, it's been like a decade since I've changed skins here.
Barto defense is interesting because "being busier in another game" (which I don't dispute) doesn't stop him from making a funny vote as opposed to talking about his suspicion.
GH is going to eat Empoof's liver with fava beans and nice Chianti on night one.
interesting
Sup GH
I'm not going to pretend to understand some weird barto meta but know that if he ends up town this italiced interesting is getting a fry.
El Barto
12-05-2019, 02:27
Also to honor this site's heritage I'm going to exclusively use townspeak.
Please explain.
GH is going to eat Empoof's liver with fava beans and nice Chianti on night one.
Seems
cromulent
Please explain.
He is goingg to say town and mafia instead of villager and wolf.
In other news, I am conducting the holy rituals to induct Empoof into the Circle of Friendly Trust. Welcome, initiate. Take a scented candle if you like.
GeneralHankerchief
12-05-2019, 02:30
Please explain.
Calling things town/mafia/scum etc instead of "w*lf/v*llager" etc.
Sup everyone.
Think there might be a phone interface through Tapatalk or something? Or check skins/styles in a dropdown list at the very bottom of the page, the default should be something like "TheGuild" or "STW" or something, idk, it's been like a decade since I've changed skins here.
Barto defense is interesting because "being busier in another game" (which I don't dispute) doesn't stop him from making a funny vote as opposed to talking about his suspicion.
Ah, thank you! Default mobile skin is definitely an improvement.
Could you explain what you mean by "making a funny vote as opposed to talking about his suspicion?"
GeneralHankerchief
12-05-2019, 02:33
Ah, thank you! Default mobile skin is definitely an improvement.
Could you explain what you mean by "making a funny vote as opposed to talking about his suspicion?"
Barto claims being busy/distracted as a reason why he didn't just drop a vote on you for saying you were going to phonepost (him shading people for that here is NAI; long story)
If we accept this explanation at face value, then think about which takes longer: dropping a simple vote, or posting what he posted instead in response?
He is goingg to say town and mafia instead of villager and wolf.
In other news, I am conducting the holy rituals to induct Empoof into the Circle of Friendly Trust. Welcome, initiate. Take a scented candle if you like.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5wWf7GW1AzV6pF3MaVW/giphy.gif
Look, I'm not saying I had a 100% accurate god read on Barto five minutes into the game.
But I am, in fact, saying that.
I'm imagining the world where barto is caught off of his second post of the game.
It's a great world tbh.
Gonna make some eggs and be around to shitpost, but I'm trying to not 1000 post this game.
hi guys!
i see a lot of ppl are voting already, do we just vote at random the first day or something?
Barto claims being busy/distracted as a reason why he didn't just drop a vote on you for saying you were going to phonepost (him shading people for that here is NAI; long story)
If we accept this explanation at face value, then think about which takes longer: dropping a simple vote, or posting what he posted instead in response?
But if he had just dropped a naked vote then it wouldn't be funny now would it?
I just don't get why voting me would have to be... opposed... to talking about why i'm suspicious...
But if he had just dropped a naked vote then it wouldn't be funny now would it?
I just don't get why voting me would have to be... opposed... to talking about why i'm suspicious...
It's a meta read, it's not that complicated. He pretty much always will respond to someone mentioning posting on their phone with a "posting from a phone means you're a wolf! Vote: [person]" as a snap reaction.
But here, instead of that he gave a weird over-explanation with no vote and no bite to it. He seems not at ease and more cautious than I'd normally expect, like he's walking on eggshells.
Anyway that's all I have time for today
Zack is displaying some villagery swagger, but I don't think Barto's posts mean anything rn. GH's push on hin feels kinda overblown.
It's a meta read, it's not that complicated. He pretty much always will respond to someone mentioning posting on their phone with a "posting from a phone means you're a wolf! Vote: [person]" as a snap reaction.
But here, instead of that he gave a weird over-explanation with no vote and no bite to it. He seems not at ease and more cautious than I'd normally expect, like he's walking on eggshells.
Okay, I see what you mean. But to me his post read like he's pretty self aware about how silly suspecting someone for that is, not an actual suspicion.
GeneralHankerchief
12-05-2019, 02:47
I don't mind Insaner so far.
I'm imagining the world where barto is caught off of his second post of the game.
It's a great world tbh.
Gonna make some eggs and be around to shitpost, but I'm trying to not 1000 post this game.
Oh, definitely don't 1000 post. I signed up for a pair of chill games.
after reading the rules more carefully, i see you can actually change your vote, this makes more sense
i'm used to ppl just talking then voting for who they think is most suspicious when ready to move on
I don't mind Insaner so far.
really? I feel the opposite
GeneralHankerchief
12-05-2019, 02:49
really? I feel the opposite
oh boy here we go again
Talk to me about why? Seems like he's just kind of easing into the flow of things and trying to dig into something he's not sure about.
generalhandkerchief saying they don't mind insaner right after insaner says their push feels overblown is suspicious in the timing i think
he sees someone suspecting him and if he is good he wouldn't like that, but if he's bad he might try to appease the person doubting him
oh boy here we go again
Talk to me about why? Seems like he's just kind of easing into the flow of things and trying to dig into something he's not sure about.
it seems like he is pretending to do that while actually being dismissive. I never felt like he was actually that interested in what I was saying, or what you were saying
El Barto
12-05-2019, 02:55
Calling things town/mafia/scum etc instead of "w*lf/v*llager" etc.
For this I might even forgive you for not having hosted a Pirate Ship game last year.
Barto claims being busy/distracted as a reason why he didn't just drop a vote on you for saying you were going to phonepost (him shading people for that here is NAI; long story)
If we accept this explanation at face value, then think about which takes longer: dropping a simple vote, or posting what he posted instead in response?
I'm a really fast typer when I want to be, and posting one-liners on CFC-OT and owning those who would own the libs is a skillset I've been developing.
it seems like he is pretending to do that while actually being dismissive. I never felt like he was actually that interested in what I was saying, or what you were saying
like the amount of fixation he had on barto while never progressing or changing the read he had in any way through all of that is strange. I also have no idea why he would think your push on Barto was overblown but mine wasn't.
Montmorency
12-05-2019, 03:00
According to my pre-game calculations, it was a mathematical certainty that at least one of myself and GeneralHankerchief would be a wolf in this game. I am a villager, therefore I am left no other choice but to conclude that GeneralHankerchief is indubitably a wolf. Please put your affairs in order and acquiesce yourself to the noose, sir.
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
Vote: Zack
I've been playing with El Barto since before you were born, son.
As consolation, I would thank this post if I could.
He is goingg to say town and mafia instead of villager and wolf.
In other news, I am conducting the holy rituals to induct Empoof into the Circle of Friendly Trust. Welcome, initiate. Take a scented candle if you like.
Also very cool.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5wWf7GW1AzV6pF3MaVW/giphy.gif
Hi.
Are we sure Empoof isn't a Csargo alt?
It's a meta read, it's not that complicated. He pretty much always will respond to someone mentioning posting on their phone with a "posting from a phone means you're a wolf! Vote: [person]" as a snap reaction.
But here, instead of that he gave a weird over-explanation with no vote and no bite to it. He seems not at ease and more cautious than I'd normally expect, like he's walking on eggshells.
They're MU people, he's being culturally sensitive.
Oh, definitely don't 1000 post. I signed up for a pair of chill games.
Yes, cultural sensitivity is a two-way street.
generalhandkerchief saying they don't mind insaner right after insaner says their push feels overblown is suspicious in the timing i think
he sees someone suspecting him and if he is good he wouldn't like that, but if he's bad he might try to appease the person doubting him
Theory: If GH is scum, maybe he has a tendency to open D1 with sketchy meta-pushes? Awesome insight if true.
Montmorency
12-05-2019, 03:31
No, but it in itself the *record scratch* when I entered plus taking half an hour to ask me that in the first 50 posts leaves me feeling guarded.
No, but it in itself the *record scratch* when I entered plus taking half an hour to ask me that in the first 50 posts leaves me feeling guarded.
:hide:
I like Zack
insaner indifferent, I agree with the words that they say (Zack barto push > GH barto push) but lacks some of the hutzpah I expect from them.
GH lean very slightly good but also feels like he might be trying a bit too hard.
Logic good for bad reasons.
Monty feels sorta offputting but I think it's a playstyle thing.
Merl1n baseline good.
:bow:
it seems like he is pretending to do that while actually being dismissive. I never felt like he was actually that interested in what I was saying, or what you were saying
You don't seem particularly interested in what I'm saying either, lol. I think your read on Barto is bad and I explained to you why I think that.
like the amount of fixation he had on barto while never progressing or changing the read he had in any way through all of that is strange. I also have no idea why he would think your push on Barto was overblown but mine wasn't.
Barto never posted through all that, so like. As to why I dislike GH's push on Barto while I don't mind yours, that's kinda hard for me to explain. It's mostly just a gut feeling.
generalhandkerchief saying they don't mind insaner right after insaner says their push feels overblown is suspicious in the timing i think
he sees someone suspecting him and if he is good he wouldn't like that, but if he's bad he might try to appease the person doubting him
I had this feeling as well honestly, and I like you for saying this. I feel like town GH would have more insightful things to say about this situation.
I like Zack
insaner indifferent, I agree with the words that they say (Zack barto push > GH barto push) but lacks some of the hutzpah I expect from them.
GH lean very slightly good but also feels like he might be trying a bit too hard.
Logic good for bad reasons.
Monty feels sorta offputting but I think it's a playstyle thing.
Merl1n baseline good.
:bow:
what do you mean by good for bad reasons, can you elaborate plz ty
what do you mean by good for bad reasons, can you elaborate plz ty
I sorta think that Logic would think it scummy to make a single post that's not game related and leave, and instead opt to either say some passive comment about what's going on or clock in a "I'll be in later after <slank cover>" at the tail end.
It's bad reasons because it's basically a too-wolfy-to-be-a-wolf sort of thing, basically.
You don't seem particularly interested in what I'm saying either, lol. I think your read on Barto is bad and I explained to you why I think that.
Barto never posted through all that, so like. As to why I dislike GH's push on Barto while I don't mind yours, that's kinda hard for me to explain. It's mostly just a gut feeling.
...I've been playing with barto for like a decade and my read on him was specifically a meta one. why would you saying "idk it's just a joke i think" have any effect on me. It wasn't a particularly strong objection either, which is why your fixation on it doesn't quite ring true to me. It felt like you were trying to downplay the situation more than objecting to my read?
...I've been playing with barto for like a decade and my read on him was specifically a meta one. why would you saying "idk it's just a joke i think" have any effect on me. It wasn't a particularly strong objection either, which is why your fixation on it doesn't quite ring true to me. It felt like you were trying to downplay the situation more than objecting to my read?
No, I was in fact disagreeing with your read on Barto from the start. You said that Barto's overexplaining of his suspicion of me without actually voting me was non-committal and scummy. My response was that I don't think Barto was expressing any kind of actual suspicion but was in fact just joking around.
(crosspost edit) Posting from smartphones was once held to be one of the surest tells, and this is a game that takes place in a fictitious past, so it is completely in character for me to suspect you, sir.
Just read this post once again and tell me it isn't a joke.
No, I was in fact disagreeing with your read on Barto from the start. You said that Barto's overexplaining of his suspicion of me without actually voting me was non-committal and scummy. My response was that I don't think Barto was expressing any kind of actual suspicion but was in fact just joking around.
I mean, he was obviously joking around, I've never said otherwise. I've been talking about the way he was joking around. It was a much less directly confrontational style of joking around than usual.
I sorta think that Logic would think it scummy to make a single post that's not game related and leave, and instead opt to either say some passive comment about what's going on or clock in a "I'll be in later after <slank cover>" at the tail end.
It's bad reasons because it's basically a too-wolfy-to-be-a-wolf sort of thing, basically.
So Empoof is a villager
Zack is a villager
I'm a villager
And merl1n is probably going to become a villager too by the looks of it
This is looking good so far
So Empoof is a villager
Zack is a villager
I'm a villager
And merl1n is probably going to become a villager too by the looks of it
This is looking good so far
how did you not mention logic a single time in response to this post where empoof is only talking about logic lol
how did you not mention logic a single time in response to this post where empoof is only talking about logic lol
I sincerely apologize to you for not being able to solve every slot in the first 2 hours of the game. I know you all hold me in high esteem here but plz give me a break dude. I like the fact that Empoof had this thought about Logic, but I don't have things to say about Logic himself yet so I didn't mention him.
alright insaner probably a villager and that was just some miscommunication on both sides, my bad dude
HOWEVER,
1) I still do not like barto
2) I still think GH's generic reasoning for his insaner read and lack of further response to me is concerning
3) epstein didn't kill himself
I mean, he was obviously joking around, I've never said otherwise. I've been talking about the way he was joking around. It was a much less directly confrontational style of joking around than usual.
Oh I see. In this case your read isn't as bad as I thought it was, but I'm still not trusting it too much. Nobody is going to enter the same way every game. Maybe Barto just felt like being chill today idk. To be clear, I don't have a read on Barto yet but yours doesn't seem sheepable to me rn.
I sincerely apologize to you for not being able to solve every slot in the first 2 hours of the game. I know you all hold me in high esteem here but plz give me a break dude. I like the fact that Empoof had this thought about Logic, but I don't have things to say about Logic himself yet so I didn't mention him.
that's ... not what I was doing at all?
I just thought it was funny / a bit weird
that's ... not what I was doing at all?
I just thought it was funny / a bit weird
I kid.
btw: I'll likely be quite active for the first half or so of d1, then have a massive dropoff after Thursday night, miss EOD, and slank through almost all of d2
there's a golden opportunity to mislynch me there if the wolves have the golden nuggets for it. your move, wolves. :curtain:
Vote: Egix
He is number 13 on the signup list, and as we all know, this is a sure sign of evil.
I kid.
:2thumbsup:
sometimes people get exasperated with me and think I'm being a lot more aggressive than I mean to be*, so I felt kinda aw shucks when I saw that. You seem like a fine fellow, unlike that filthy scoundrel GeneralHankerchief
Whatever happened to wolfy playing this game. Was kinda looking forward to it tbhm
El Barto
12-05-2019, 04:55
My response was that I don't think Barto was expressing any kind of actual suspicion but was in fact just joking around.
:stare: The two are not mutually incompatible.
:stare: The two are not mutually incompatible.
you're mom's not mutually incompatible.
HA
gottem
Cuthillius
12-05-2019, 05:47
People who are not being safe:
Zack
El Barto
Insaner
People who are being rather safe:
Empoof
General Hankerchief
Monty
Logic
I'd not be super shocked if there was a wolf in the bottom two names in each of those lists.
so i've been refreshing the game every so often while doing some other stuff just to stay up to date, and was marveling at the lack of new posts
it is only now that i see there is a second page
i might not be cut out for forums
People who are not being safe:
Zack
El Barto
Insaner
People who are being rather safe:
Empoof
General Hankerchief
Monty
Logic
I'd not be super shocked if there was a wolf in the bottom two names in each of those lists.
el barto
insaner
monty
logic
:book2:
so i've been refreshing the game every so often while doing some other stuff just to stay up to date, and was marveling at the lack of new posts
it is only now that i see there is a second page
i might not be cut out for forums
Some of us are holding back to not dilute the pool.
I got kinda bored so I caved.
Some of us are holding back to not dilute the pool.
I got kinda bored so I caved.
i think you misunderstood
there have been new posts i just was refreshing page 1 when a second page had appeared without me noticing
People who are not being safe:
Zack
El Barto
Insaner
People who are being rather safe:
Empoof
General Hankerchief
Monty
Logic
I'd not be super shocked if there was a wolf in the bottom two names in each of those lists.
this is a novel enough way of making opening reads that it's probably villagy
also you implied I'm not a wolf so who even are you
People who are not being safe:
Zack
El Barto
Insaner
People who are being rather safe:
Empoof
General Hankerchief
Monty
Logic
I'd not be super shocked if there was a wolf in the bottom two names in each of those lists.
could you elaborate on the bolded names and why they're positioned where they are specifically?
i think you misunderstood
there have been new posts i just was refreshing page 1 when a second page had appeared without me noticing
OH!
oh.
yeah that's a thing, pretty sure you can also increase the post per page if you want to. I didn't look for this site but it's common.
:rtwyes:
merlin
Insaner
Cuth
Empoof
:shrug:
Monty
choxorn
Logic
csargo
:rtwno:
gh
barto
:curtain:
dya
pzelda
fable
ladd
egix
newyn
Cuthillius
12-05-2019, 06:00
this is a novel enough way of making opening reads that it's probably villagy
also you implied I'm not a wolf so who even are you
can't start bussing you this early, i'm holding off so it'll be an even bigger stain on my reputation when i suddenly make the obvious switch a few days down the road
i've been reading back through the thread to try and view players through the proposed lens of safe or not safe
i think el barto has been talked ABOUT a lot but hasn't actually said or done anything himself that indicates safe or not safe. logic has one post and it's not actually game related i don't think?? i can't read any kind of safeness into it really to the degree that he is who i'd have picked out of players to comment on as s/no s
something i like to do in irl games is try and spot who is just making up things to sound impressive but aren't actually things that have basis. this might be one of those things
cuth should actually be in :shrug: tier
Is anyone else feeling a little LOST?
:lost:
Cuthillius
12-05-2019, 06:01
could you elaborate on the bolded names and why they're positioned where they are specifically?
mm
i think it's clear enough
they fit in their respective categories and don't have things going for them like the people up at the top do
that said i certainly wasn't trying to imply that logic is wolfier than monty i'd never say anything like that in a thousand years
Cuthillius
12-05-2019, 06:02
cuth should actually be in :shrug: tier
wouldn't be a real game unless one of us is trying to kill the other, eh?
mm
i think it's clear enough
they fit in their respective categories and don't have things going for them like the people up at the top do
that said i certainly wasn't trying to imply that logic is wolfier than monty i'd never say anything like that in a thousand years
but how do they fit in those categories? what has logic done this game that feels safe to you, or what has el barto done that feels not safe? there's a lot of players that have been participating that aren't in either list, so what about those two jumped out as being worthy of inclusion?
Is anyone else feeling a little LOST?
:lost:
:knuddel:
:knuddel:
:medievalcheers:
but how do they fit in those categories? what has logic done this game that feels safe to you, or what has el barto done that feels not safe? there's a lot of players that have been participating that aren't in either list, so what about those two jumped out as being worthy of inclusion?
so this is what me/cuth interactions look like from the outside
:square:
Montmorency
12-05-2019, 06:12
:rtwyes:
merlin
Insaner
Cuth
Empoof
:shrug:
Monty
choxorn
Logic
csargo
:rtwno:
gh
barto
:curtain:
dya
pzelda
fable
ladd
egix
newyn
Zack-insaner banter interesting contrast to Zack-Jabbz banter (:curtain:), true elite if partners. I don't think they are partners.
that said i certainly wasn't trying to imply that logic is wolfier than monty i'd never say anything like that in a thousand years
:thinking:
Unrelated thoughts:
MU could easily have sprawling carnival-like games, like Capo or Khaan experimentals or Pirate Ship or Andres bloodbaths or any number of Large Org games. 30 players, 40 players, hell, go for the gold and make it 100. The player base is there. However, the only format that draws such numbers are those mashes that I've still not played in. Those last like a week with 50 players, and even so the post count exceeds 10K regularly. That's inhuman. The typical maximum game format on MU now allows for just 21 players, the old Org threshold for large games. For an example of the stifling effect, Zork recently tried to run a multiball setup with 40 players, but could barely exceed 1/4 signups before scrapping much of the design and doing a 15-er. Some people had even dropped when he added a post cap to the setup!
In conclusion, MU would be a new paradise of transcendent excess if an appropriate set of social engineering parameters could be formulated to force a lower post count. Capo IV quite possibly remains the Tower of Babel experience of Internet Mafia.
Zack-insaner banter interesting contrast to Zack-Jabbz banter (:curtain:), true elite if partners. I don't think they are partners.
:thinking:
Unrelated thoughts:
MU could easily have sprawling carnival-like games, like Capo or Khaan experimentals or Pirate Ship or Andres bloodbaths or any number of Large Org games. 30 players, 40 players, hell, go for the gold and make it 100. The player base is there. However, the only format that draws such numbers are those mashes that I've still not played in. Those last like a week with 50 players, and even so the post count exceeds 10K regularly. That's inhuman. The typical maximum game format on MU now allows for just 21 players, the old Org threshold for large games. For an example of the stifling effect, Zork recently tried to run a multiball setup with 40 players, but could barely exceed 1/4 signups before scrapping much of the design and doing a 15-er. Some people had even dropped when he added a post cap to the setup!
In conclusion, MU would be a new paradise of transcendent excess if an appropriate set of social engineering parameters could be formulated to force a lower post count. Capo IV quite possibly remains the Tower of Babel experience of Internet Mafia.
i understood most of those words independently
seems like zack is a villager
seems like zack is a villager
:smart:
Logic why did you comment on the 1000 posts thing from Empoof out of what happened itt?
like even in that same post, he suspected El Barto but you decided to comment on something that had not muh to do with the game
curious if just read that post/had read all the thread but had no thoughts/didnt feel like posting thoughts/etc..?
:smart:
seems
mostly cause I agree with ~everything you have said
and now this post will spare me the time of giving any other reads
empoof, would you consider yourself a cagey or cards-to-the-chest type of player?
I like Zack
insaner indifferent, I agree with the words that they say (Zack barto push > GH barto push) but lacks some of the hutzpah I expect from them.
GH lean very slightly good but also feels like he might be trying a bit too hard.
Logic good for bad reasons.
Monty feels sorta offputting but I think it's a playstyle thing.
Merl1n baseline good.
:bow:
I 1-posted.
However bad the reason(s), I'd like to hear them.
empoof, would you consider yourself a cagey or cards-to-the-chest type of player?
Usually no. I don't think Cuth's assessment of me is inaccurate though.
I 1-posted.
However bad the reason(s), I'd like to hear them.
Sure keep reading :coffeenews:
I assume no isos, right?
guess I'll do a throwback to the tos days and do it the hard wY
In conclusion, MU would be a new paradise of transcendent excess if an appropriate set of social engineering parameters could be formulated to force a lower post count. Capo IV quite possibly remains the Tower of Babel experience of Internet Mafia.
Dude I'm going back to hosting biweekly light games (50 post maximum) and players that hyper spam sometimes join too.
Also I'm lowkey trying to start a light game competitive circuit so be on the look out.
I assume no isos, right?
guess I'll do a throwback to the tos days and do it the hard wY
You can iso by clicking the reply number when sitting in the games room subforum
But it's donkey, yes.
Dude I'm going back to hosting biweekly light games (50 post maximum) and players that hyper spam sometimes join too.
Also I'm lowkey trying to start a light game competitive circuit so be on the look out.
I do not "hyper spam". It's called seeding the thread and it's elegantly cultural.
I like Zack
insaner indifferent, I agree with the words that they say (Zack barto push > GH barto push) but lacks some of the hutzpah I expect from them.
GH lean very slightly good but also feels like he might be trying a bit too hard.
Logic good for bad reasons.
Monty feels sorta offputting but I think it's a playstyle thing.
Merl1n baseline good.
:bow:
explain the gh read?
he seems a lot of things but trying too hard wasmt really one of themt
I re read pg. 1
guess he was trying and i kinda get the read now
dont really agree he was trying too hard though but shrug
also thanks for iso tip
zack n1 kill subbed
teammate el barto bussed
shaded empoof while weirdly defending my ither wolfmate gh
checklist of stuff to do is all done
I'll see you in 10 hours or so but if you need something @ me
Vote: Egix
He is number 13 on the signup list, and as we all know, this is a sure sign of evil.
Curses, foiled again :(
;)
explain the gh read?
he seems a lot of things but trying too hard wasmt really one of themt
His commenting on the barto thing felt weird to me, his "oh boy here we go again" to Zack felt sorta fake.
by "trying a bit too hard" I more mean his normal mannerisms feel sorta funky and put on.
I feel kinda bad for that read tbh cause if he's town he's just doing his thing but it felt like I was watching a TV ad of GH.
zack n1 kill subbed
teammate el barto bussed
shaded empoof while weirdly defending my ither wolfmate gh
checklist of stuff to do is all done
I'll see you in 10 hours or so but if you need something @ me
Aren't you supposed to wait another... 1496 posts before revealing your scum plans in the main thread?
Vote: ladd
His commenting on the barto thing felt weird to me, his "oh boy here we go again" to Zack felt sorta fake.
by "trying a bit too hard" I more mean his normal mannerisms feel sorta funky and put on.
I feel kinda bad for that read tbh cause if he's town he's just doing his thing but it felt like I was watching a TV ad of GH.
It felt to me like he saw a villager doing stuff and asking questions (insaner) and gave a townread on him without thinking about it much. Then was caught a bit off guard when a different villager (me) immediately disagreed and challenged him on it, and struggled to give a very compelling reason for the read.
I mean idk I famously wolfread gh early incorrectly all the time, but the way he didn't really engage with me on it and kinda just left is like... Classically how he interacts with me when he is a wolf.
el barto
insaner
monty
logic
:book2:
can you elaborate on this? you picked 4 names out of the 7 talked about. do you think they're bad/wolves?
It felt to me like he saw a villager doing stuff and asking questions (insaner) and gave a townread on him without thinking about it much. Then was caught a bit off guard when a different villager (me) immediately disagreed and challenged him on it, and struggled to give a very compelling reason for the read.
I mean idk I famously wolfread gh early incorrectly all the time, but the way he didn't really engage with me on it and kinda just left is like... Classically how he interacts with me when he is a wolf.
so he's a villager? xD
It felt to me like he saw a villager doing stuff and asking questions (insaner) and gave a townread on him without thinking about it much. Then was caught a bit off guard when a different villager (me) immediately disagreed and challenged him on it, and struggled to give a very compelling reason for the read.
I mean idk I famously wolfread gh early incorrectly all the time, but the way he didn't really engage with me on it and kinda just left is like... Classically how he interacts with me when he is a wolf.
If we put both our reads together we have him dead to rights.
We should hammer him before he becomes too villagery.
can you elaborate on this? you picked 4 names out of the 7 talked about. do you think they're bad/wolves?
Nah, I just put the names that he said contain a wolf in one spot.
Mostly showing how attentive I can be, with insane reading comprehension skills.
so he's a villager? xD
if he is indeed a villager, I pretty consistently get there by the end of day 1, so I'm not too worried about it atm.
Nah, I just put the names that he said contain a wolf in one spot.
Mostly showing how attentive I can be, with insane reading comprehension skills.
oh, okay
i was suspicious because you had the post about logic being good for bad reasons and then listed him in those names and i was like STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM
wdy think about the safe/not safe groupings and my thoughts on it?
ladd,
what convinced you so much on barto?
if he is indeed a villager, I pretty consistently get there by the end of day 1, so I'm not too worried about it atm.
i'm missing context/history but it sounds like you're saying you read him really well but also really poorly, historically, and the confidence in reading him feels a little wonky given
I mean idk I famously wolfread gh early incorrectly all the time, but the way he didn't really engage with me on it and kinda just left is like... Classically how he interacts with me when he is a wolf.
that you read him incorrectly all the time, yet have this confidence in saying this is how he acts when he is a wolf. i'm not doing so good with the explaining thing, it just feels jarring/inconsistent in my head
i'm missing context/history but it sounds like you're saying you read him really well but also really poorly, historically, and the confidence in reading him feels a little wonky given
that you read him incorrectly all the time, yet have this confidence in saying this is how he acts when he is a wolf. i'm not doing so good with the explaining thing, it just feels jarring/inconsistent in my head
when i say "early" I mean specifically early d1, but I usually will recognize he is a villager if he is one by the end of day 1
does that make sense?
oh, okay
i was suspicious because you had the post about logic being good for bad reasons and then listed him in those names and i was like STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM
wdy think about the safe/not safe groupings and my thoughts on it?
At a baseline I agree with Zack that the thought to put people into safe/not safe groupings is probably villagery.
I thought you responded rather inquisitively, and it's possible he made it up but I think he didn't. I can sorta see ways that make cuth put those people into each category. I'm just trying to not put too much stock into it as a whole and see how Cuth develops.
Going to bed pretty soon.
Been listening to Jungle all day, watching those choreography videos are so cool. Idk how I haven't heard of these guys before, they have millions of views lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mva_EluErSA
when i say "early" I mean specifically early d1, but I usually will recognize he is a villager if he is one by the end of day 1
does that make sense?
i guess i can see the distinction. i'm used to just kind of picking someone and killing them on d1 without a ton of room for changing reads. once we lynch someone and can use our night actions then there's more to talk about
i guess i can see the distinction. i'm used to just kind of picking someone and killing them on d1 without a ton of room for changing reads. once we lynch someone and can use our night actions then there's more to talk about
as I'm sure you will discover, my reads can be pretty fluid, hell just look at my insaner read this game for proof of that
I also prefaced it because it's something of a meme; I don't actually think I'm bad at reading GH, there was just a bad stretch of games awhile back (and I'd argue there were good reasons for the misread, and I also believe that I have learned how to read him better from those experiences anyhow). There have also been games where I read him quite well. There are some people who I just don't understand the way they behave and don't know how to read them, but GH isn't abnormally inscrutable or irrational or chaotic so I don't think of him that way.
And to be clear, I think he also exaggerates the extent to which he misreads me. There are plenty of games where he read me fine.
I assume no isos, right?
guess I'll do a throwback to the tos days and do it the hard wY
Nah, you have to use the "Who Posted?" Feature instead
Battery's gettin low so gonna switch devices
as I'm sure you will discover, my reads can be pretty fluid, hell just look at my insaner read this game for proof of that
I also prefaced it because it's something of a meme; I don't actually think I'm bad at reading GH, there was just a bad stretch of games awhile back (and I'd argue there were good reasons for the misread, and I also believe that I have learned how to read him better from those experiences anyhow). There have also been games where I read him quite well. There are some people who I just don't understand the way they behave and don't know how to read them, but GH isn't abnormally inscrutable or irrational or chaotic so I don't think of him that way.
And to be clear, I think he also exaggerates the extent to which he misreads me. There are plenty of games where he read me fine.
there are some other things too but
1) I'd like to hold those cards a little closer to my chest
2) this is getting a bit ridiculous for the stage of the game we are in. it's just my current read on him and it could easily change before the day is over
I'm out for the night, want to give an updated readslist before I head out. spoilered for size
37-10
ladd,
what convinced you so much on barto?
wpuldnt really say I am that convinced
just think he was tge wolfiest early on
I agree with your read there and his early phone post just looked like a read wolves know they are making on a villa (insaner) so hold themselves back and put it out there more as information than actually something they wanna push
:candle:
Merl1n
Zack
:beatnik:
Ladd
Logic (lol)
Cuth
:sweatdrop:
Insaner
Monty
:pop2:
GH
Empoof
:boxing:
Barto
While it's generally a village -> town list I think the smileys I chose represent my feelings pretty well.
Also if Zack is still alive on Day 3 I'll tinfoil him
:candle:
Merl1n
Zack
:beatnik:
Ladd
Logic (lol)
Cuth
:sweatdrop:
Insaner
Monty
:pop2:
GH
Empoof
:boxing:
Barto
While it's generally a village -> town list I think the smileys I chose represent my feelings pretty well.
Also if Zack is still alive on Day 3 I'll tinfoil him
are u one of those ppl who jokingly calls themselves bad when bad to feel like you're getting one over on ppl when they read you as good anyways?
also just to clarify - I had the barto read before I read your posts on him, zack
you calling him out as well was one of the thing that made me think you are villagery
are u one of those ppl who jokingly calls themselves bad when bad to feel like you're getting one over on ppl when they read you as good anyways?
It's NAI
I'd argue that I'm cheekier about it when I'm town, but that's just, like, my opinion man
for those paying attention i am now doing the fabled "saying he leaves but doesnt leave" villa tell
adjust your reads list accordingly
for those paying attention i am now doing the fabled "saying he leaves but doesnt leave" villa tell
adjust your reads list accordingly
I used to do small things like that when I was wolfing to get random town points.
Worked like a charm.
I'm gonna be in and out tomorrow, lots to do.
Night.
i guess i think empoof is good, though my senses are a little tingly, and not the fun kind of tingly
for those paying attention i am now doing the fabled "saying he leaves but doesnt leave" villa tell
adjust your reads list accordingly
*Anime goo goo eyes* Oh look at you you're so town!
On a more serious note, I dislike that you felt the need to state this yourself rather than letting people come to that conclusion naturally.
Cuthillius
12-05-2019, 08:24
Usually no. I don't think Cuth's assessment of me is inaccurate though.
it makes me happy that you agree that you're a villagery person playing safely
?
*Anime goo goo eyes* Oh look at you you're so town!
On a more serious note, I dislike that you felt the need to state this yourself rather than letting people come to that conclusion naturally.
yes
but would I post somthing that wolfy if I was indeed a wolf
makes you think
I assume no isos, right?
guess I'll do a throwback to the tos days and do it the hard wY
You can iso by clicking the reply number when sitting in the games room subforum
But it's donkey, yes.
You can also do it by clicking Search Thread at the top of a page -> Advanced Search, and there's an option in the Advanced Search screen to search the thread by username.
yes
but would I post somthing that wolfy if I was indeed a wolf
makes you think
Knowing you, you probably would tbh
Hi,
Last time I played here I got every single read wrong so you should probably not listen to anything I say unless it helps you push your agenda.
Also, day 1 is clearly absolutely useless so can I get a free pass for today?
Also, day 1 is clearly absolutely useless so can I get a free pass for today?
No.
Unvote, Vote: Newyn
No.
Unvote, Vote: Newyn
What if I said please?
In that case, I have a night 0 red check on Choxorn because cops that can check whoever they want night 0 is 100% fair :rolleyes:
Vote: Choxorn
https://media1.tenor.com/images/246b25679945deba3a593e9acf2a8ed4/tenor.gif
People who are not being safe:
Zack
El Barto
Insaner
People who are being rather safe:
Empoof
General Hankerchief
Monty
Logic
I'd not be super shocked if there was a wolf in the bottom two names in each of those lists.
this is a novel enough way of making opening reads that it's probably villagy
also you implied I'm not a wolf so who even are you
I never town read people for being novel. I think the wolves are more likely to feel like they need to impress other people by doing something cool. Moreover, Cuth doesn't actually make anything out of his method here. He just says "ah there can be wolves in both tiers, lol idk why I even posted that." It feels like busywork to me.
Choxorn confirmed to be frozen wolf.
Good night.
I am now caught up and I have surprisingly little to say. But merlin is a firm town read now, we can lock him in bois. I also didn't like ladd very much - I don't think he added anything new and unique but instead sheeped the consensus wolf read Barto when I don't think Barto was that wolfy to warrant this much suspicion from everyone. I don't think he was villagery at all since I don't recall him posting any reads really but that isn't what everybody is sussing him for. Egix's comment on ladd's LAMIST post was villagery. I also think that Newyrm is acting like a brazen villager but it's not a strong read.
I lowkey think Barto might be spewed by all those wolfy people going after him.
I lowkey think Barto might be spewed by all those wolfy people going after him.
like who?
except me since I am a villager
like who?
except me since I am a villager
Not excepting you since I don't know that. But also GH and Cuth.
vote : Cuthillius
Just read monty's posts again. There's little, but his single comment about my and Zack's interactions being pretty elite distancing was good enough to make me place a slight town lean on him.
The village:
Insaner
merl1n
Zack
Empoof
Tentative:
Egix
Newyn
Montmorency
Everyone else:
Csargo
El Barto
Choxorn
GeneralHankerchief
Logic
Dyachei
Pzelda
Fable
ladd
Cuthillius
I wonder if Capage rolled villager here
Going to bed pretty soon.
Been listening to Jungle all day, watching those choreography videos are so cool. Idk how I haven't heard of these guys before, they have millions of views lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mva_EluErSA
Pretty awesome stuff
Are there no europeans in this game? I think someone might need to ping some folks on discord.
I am euro but I am still at work
prolly busy for another 4 hours at least
tmr i get off earlier so I'll be around more if game is fun
So you've been frozen this entire time then?
I'm only being half serious, though. Work is obviously more im
I'm only being half serious, though. Work is obviously more im
More important than mafia.
The reply button here is way too big lok
but how do they fit in those categories? what has logic done this game that feels safe to you, or what has el barto done that feels not safe? there's a lot of players that have been participating that aren't in either list, so what about those two jumped out as being worthy of inclusion?
I am noting that this question has never been answered by Cuth. This is caught af.
I wonder if Capage rolled villager here
who is capage playing under?
who is capage playing under?
Pzelda
I'm back. I've not read much, though I did go back to see why Empoof called me towny. It's ok reasoning, I guess. It's also brave enough to be against the grain that I'll call him lean town.
I'll read more into Cuth. I was willing to call him a villager, but P#170 makes me think otherwise.
don't really think I am saying anutging world shattering but
zack
me
insaner
are villas, in that order
I could also pretend empoof is a villager for making reads I mostly agree woth but i should probavly read his psts better and/or he should post more before
Hi,
Last time I played here I got every single read wrong so you should probably not listen to anything I say unless it helps you push your agenda.
Also, day 1 is clearly absolutely useless so can I get a free pass for today?
just really like the bolded tonally
prolly not hard to fake but something I thought like 8 hours ago when I read that post and generally my snap feelings about tgis kind of stuff turn out okay
I'm back. I've not read much, though I did go back to see why Empoof called me towny. It's ok reasoning, I guess. It's also brave enough to be against the grain that I'll call him lean town.
I'll read more into Cuth. I was willing to call him a villager, but P#170 makes me think otherwise.
on the other hand, the content of this post is fine but the tone is pretty wolfy
so take this hedge
GeneralHankerchief
12-05-2019, 22:12
Checking in, haven't read since last night, won't be able to until tomorrow. Apologies.
Would giving a random town read on a single poster be considered against the grain?
There's not really a grain to go against, just a wide shot in the dark.
Was hoping that any of the zero posters would make themselves alive while I was gone but they haven't :coffeenews:
Checking in, haven't read since last night, won't be able to until tomorrow. Apologies.
Hi GH. Bye GH.
Is cuth the same cuth I know?
did a skim through the thread just now and came away feeling good about zack and empoof and that's a pretty nice way to feel on d1
Is cuth the same cuth I know?
did a skim through the thread just now and came away feeling good about zack and empoof and that's a pretty nice way to feel on d1
Hi dyachei. Yeah I'm pretty sure it's the same cuth, didn't even think about it being a different person tbh.
Nice cat avy
I'm multitabling and can't really consistently devote a bunch of time to this game so far
I see a lot of village reads being thrown out for merl1n can someone talk about why?
I'm multitabling and can't really consistently devote a bunch of time to this game so far
I see a lot of village reads being thrown out for merl1n can someone talk about why?
As far as I can tell, it's because his play seems hard to fake for someone who's playing forum mafia for the first time.
But admittedly I'm a bit curious as to how people would have been reading him if not for that.
Is cuth the same cuth I know?
did a skim through the thread just now and came away feeling good about zack and empoof and that's a pretty nice way to feel on d1
seems villagery, I buy it
As far as I can tell, it's because his play seems hard to fake for someone who's playing forum mafia for the first time.
But admittedly I'm a bit curious as to how people would have been reading him if not for that.
Not even counting the fact that he is new to forum mafia. There are just so many solving posts with an ACTUAL thought process behind them. It doesn't seem like he is holding back or there are topics he is trying to avoid. He's been pretty much poking at everything that exists.
Unlike ladd who just calls things tone without discussing actual content of other people.
oof
after this sick call out I may be unable to get sleep
Not supposed to be a sick call out. You are one of the least villagery people itt :shrug:
Meh. I guess my biggest strife with ladd is that he never talked to me about any of my reads while having me as one of his 2 villa reads and being the only one around. From what I can gather he doesn't wolf read GH. Ladd, do you have a read on Cuth?
like who?
except me since I am a villager
Not excepting you since I don't know that. But also GH and Cuth.
vote : Cuthillius
Like I feel you would have responded to me after I answered your question but for some reason you didn't wanna.
Not even counting the fact that he is new to forum mafia. There are just so many solving posts with an ACTUAL thought process behind them. It doesn't seem like he is holding back or there are topics he is trying to avoid. He's been pretty much poking at everything that exists.
Unlike ladd who just calls things tone without discussing actual content of other people.
:on_2thumbs:
like who?
except me since I am a villager
seems like zack is a villager
This catch up post reminds me of Scare's wolf game
The bottom one. Is there a way to clear multi quotes on mobile other than by unclicking each quote individually?
Montmorency
12-06-2019, 00:27
Dude I'm going back to hosting biweekly light games (50 post maximum) and players that hyper spam sometimes join too.
Also I'm lowkey trying to start a light game competitive circuit so be on the look out.
Post caps are all well and good, but they're too crude when most people by inclination or conditioning are going to cluster around the high end of the distribution. A post cap just can't reproduce what we have in this thread preceding my post, <30 posts in 12 hours (somehow less active than CFC!). Also, light games are all 13 players IIRC. What about games with triple that number? And the cap comes down during EOD anyway, though I suppose a strict cap probably hasn't been tried (too unpopular?).
We need a sophisticated set of incentives, yet falling short of an actual posting-oriented game mechanic because that's an unwelcome distortion against the rest of the design. Otherwise, establish a consensus social context, like the one governing speaking volume in libraries. Catch-22: how will players trust a high-player space enough to sign up before a high-player game has demonstrated a manageable rate of activity?
Back to the game: Are insaner, Merlin, Zack, and empoof seriously all consensus town-leans now? Talk about first-mover advantage. I can't say it's terrible, but meh. It's not good. Merlin and insaner can have D1 towncred though.
(The careful observer notes that town-leans are all town-leans because they have each other town-leaning each other, which means either an unbreakable town core or our doom as Mafia have seized narrative control.)
I think Cuth posted a Cuth kind of analysis post from my limited experience with him, but usually its been done in the context of a flow of a bunch of other posts trying to explain/defend himself. IIRC.
Hi,
Last time I played here I got every single read wrong so you should probably not listen to anything I say unless it helps you push your agenda.
Wait, are you offering wrong reads for others to push their agendas on? Are you third party? Oh shit, is this a cult game?
Also, day 1 is clearly absolutely useless so can I get a free pass for today?
I feel ya bud!
don't really think I am saying anutging world shattering but
zack
me
insaner
are villas, in that order
I could also pretend empoof is a villager for making reads I mostly agree woth but i should probavly read his psts better and/or he should post more before
Unironically (by all appearances) ranking yourself below another player is sketchy. Are you 3P?
I'm back. I've not read much, though I did go back to see why Empoof called me towny. It's ok reasoning, I guess. It's also brave enough to be against the grain that I'll call him lean town.
I'll read more into Cuth. I was willing to call him a villager, but P#170 makes me think otherwise.
on the other hand, the content of this post is fine but the tone is pretty wolfy
so take this hedge
I kind of agree, actually. On the other hand, prior to his posting more here this may be nothing more than a reproduction of his uneasily subdued play in the CFC game just now, where he was lynched D1. In which case I should defend Logic against being lynchbaited.
It's possible his playstyle may also have just shifted, since I've been in only a couple of games with him since 2017.
Vote: Barto
You complain about us town-leaning each other possibly being indicative of mafia seizing thread control, then vote the same person we're all suspecting without explanation?
Montmorency
12-06-2019, 00:50
You complain about us town-leaning each other possibly being indicative of mafia seizing thread control, then vote the same person we're all suspecting without explanation?
Are you catching on yet? :yes:
"(The careful observer notes that town-leans are all town-leans because they have each other town-leaning each other, which means either an unbreakable town core or our doom as Mafia have seized narrative control.)"
Villagery paranoia
:soapbox: :hail: :crown:
5. Zack
~:grouphug:
17. merl1n
15. Empoof
:yes:
1. Montmorency
16. Insaner
:eyebrows:
12. Cuthillius
14. Newyn
11. ladd
:blank:
8. Dyachei
2. Csargo
7. Logic
13. Egix
:boink:
9. Pzelda
10. Fable
:argue: :duel:
6. GeneralHankerchief
:rifle: :smash:
4. Choxorn
3. El Barto
Are you town?
Yes. Are you?
I am now caught up and I have surprisingly little to say. But merlin is a firm town read now, we can lock him in bois. I also didn't like ladd very much - I don't think he added anything new and unique but instead sheeped the consensus wolf read Barto when I don't think Barto was that wolfy to warrant this much suspicion from everyone. I don't think he was villagery at all since I don't recall him posting any reads really but that isn't what everybody is sussing him for.
I lowkey think Barto might be spewed by all those wolfy people going after him.
Just read monty's posts again. There's little, but his single comment about my and Zack's interactions being pretty elite distancing was good enough to make me place a slight town lean on him.
The village:
Insaner
merl1n
Zack
Empoof
Tentative:
Egix
Newyn
Montmorency
Everyone else:
Csargo
El Barto
Choxorn
GeneralHankerchief
Logic
Dyachei
Pzelda
Fable
ladd
Cuthillius
Wait, who exactly are all the wolfy people going after Barto? Zack is the strongest pusher of him and you have Zack as one of your townreads.
El Barto
12-06-2019, 02:58
wtf how am I even in the lead
wtf how am I even in the lead
:boxing:
El Barto
12-06-2019, 03:16
That's… not helpful.
I suppose I'd better start reading a chunk of +100 posts in one go and try to unravel something.
I thought choxorn's back and forth with newyn was overly self-serious and a bit LAMIST
merlin seems extremely comfortable in the thread for a supposed newcomer, and properly inquisitive as well
empoof seemed very laid back and at ease, which I associate more with how he behaves as a villager than as a wolf
newyn and ladd have opened about how I would expect if they were villagers, but it's also pretty easily something they could do as wolves
I'm meh on egix, slightly less meh on logic, and a bit less meh than that on dya
the watchmen hbo series is excellent and I highly recommend it
I forgot the cowboys were playing until just now
:book2: :elephant: :thrasher:
I thought choxorn's back and forth with newyn was overly self-serious and a bit LAMIST
merlin seems extremely comfortable in the thread for a supposed newcomer, and properly inquisitive as well
empoof seemed very laid back and at ease, which I associate more with how he behaves as a villager than as a wolf
newyn and ladd have opened about how I would expect if they were villagers, but it's also pretty easily something they could do as wolves
I'm meh on egix, slightly less meh on logic, and a bit less meh than that on dya
the watchmen hbo series is excellent and I highly recommend it
I forgot the cowboys were playing until just now :cowboy:
:cheerleader:
EBWOP
El Barto
12-06-2019, 03:39
I don't know how but, a few months away from turning 30, I feel that i don't have the levels of insanity required to batshit-post my way through two games in stereo, so I'll take on this game as I do the 36/12s on MU. Out for the day in the summer heat, back home, concentrate on the thread a bit, then back into overnight horror film marathons. I just can't post 12 hours in a row as I did when Zack et al. first knew me.
memes
OK, I'm parking my vote here for now. Be more constructive or else.
vote: Fable
The emotes on this site are truly glorious.
I found out my free trial of netflix ends tonight so I'm probably just going to watch stuff and wait for the other half of the game to be readable.
Might play minimafia too, depends on how much netflix I watch tbh.
If you have any good recommendations lay them on me, but I'm probably just going to watch the end of stranger things season 2 and the end of breaking bad so I can do season 3 / the breaking bad movie.
OK, I'm parking my vote here for now. Be more constructive or else.
vote: Fable
This is the same thing choxorn did to newyn that I disliked cause it just feels fake, and masquerades as promoting productivity when it's actually completely unproductive
The emotes on this site are truly glorious.
:belly:
I found out my free trial of netflix ends tonight so I'm probably just going to watch stuff and wait for the other half of the game to be readable.
Might play minimafia too, depends on how much netflix I watch tbh.
If you have any good recommendations lay them on me, but I'm probably just going to watch the end of stranger things season 2 and the end of breaking bad so I can do season 3 / the breaking bad movie.
American Vandal
Barto what do you make of people so far?
:belly:
American Vandal
Oh fuck it's got that bro guy from youtube in it!
I'll watch the first episode right now
~:thumb:
also, I can't be the only one uncomfortable with the huge amount of references to an ongoing game on another site, right?
El Barto
12-06-2019, 03:47
This is the same thing choxorn did to newyn that I disliked cause it just feels fake, and masquerades as promoting productivity when it's actually completely unproductive
I don't think I've read that when I first skimmed through the thread, but I'll bear that in mind.
Barto what do you make of people so far?
I'll tell you in ~200 posts' reading time.
also, I can't be the only one uncomfortable with the huge amount of references to an ongoing game on another site, right?
I legitimately don't know about this but yes, I'm now also uncomfortable.
I'll tell you in ~200 posts' reading time.
Good that should be about 1 episode.
I don't know how but, a few months away from turning 30, I feel that i don't have the levels of insanity required to batshit-post my way through two games in stereo, so I'll take on this game as I do the 36/12s on MU. Out for the day in the summer heat, back home, concentrate on the thread a bit, then back into overnight horror film marathons. I just can't post 12 hours in a row as I did when Zack et al. first knew me.
OK, I'm parking my vote here for now. Be more constructive or else.
vote: Fable
lol
El Barto
12-06-2019, 04:00
(you're not incuding me to change my vote, Fable-san) :bow:
Now, tally with an unfortunate development highlighted in bold
Csargo (1): GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief (1): Zack Brannigan
El Barto (3): Empoof, ladd, Montmorency
ladd (1): Egix
Newyn (1): Choxorn
Choxorn (1): Newyn
Cuthillius (1): Insaner
Fable (1): El Barto
With the other 7 not voting.
That's the thread skimmed, let's go for a deeper read.
Unvote, Vote: choxorn
:san_laugh:
Mod Note:
Montmorency Csargo El Barto Choxorn Zack Brannigan GeneralHankerchief Logic dyachei pzelda Fable ladd Cuthillius Egix Newyn Empoof Insaner merl1n
yes sorry for the tags.
Please do not reference any ongoing games on any site. Finished games are fine, but not ongoing.
Thanks.
El Barto
12-06-2019, 04:15
Somebody was asking earlier about ISOs. This is the closest we've got: the ‘Who's posted? (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=153989)’ feature.
Cuthillius
12-06-2019, 04:31
A few thoughts:
I was a little surprised by how... seriously? my initial post was taken. Likely the effect of phase length stuff, but It was an early game post mostly getting a very specific thought out onto metaphorical paper, with a bit of a read attached. Not really intended as a huge talking point/reaction test, but, well, here we are. As things turned out, I've been watching what people say about it with curiosity.
I think Zack's reaction was very villagery; I think people who know my general posting style would tend to classify that as villagery just by virtue of fitting into the sort of free-flowing off-the-hip type of play I settle into more often as a villager (as wolf, I gravitate towards playing a more... classical game, I'd say?). That said, it's also a very small sample size and not accompanied by any of the signs that normally come with it, that being more of a general indicator valid across a larger subset of posts, so the backpedal makes complete sense-- I think he'd be more likely to pick one view and stick with it as a wolf unless he's a level higher than I think is likely in this case. /shrug
I think Monty has a very dim view of my play (rather understandable, given my showing in past games on the Org, but I don't especially care for the way he went about his comment-- was along the lines of "yeah that looks like the sort of analysis he'd make but normally he's defending himself at the same time". Which, alright, fair. But taken as an analysis post in the traditional sense my post is garbage. Several people had, as far as I could tell, the interpretation that I was implying something relating "safeness" and alignment/that there have to be x number of people in category for no reason/whatever else when there wasn't really much overarching structure other than basically two separate readslists containing everyone I'd personally formed an opinion, however significant or insignificant, on. There are people whose approach reads into how I see their play, but that's not the case with others. What Monty's post looks like is a "yes that is a bad analysis post but you know it's normal". I can't hold either opinion against him as such, but it seems a bit, oh, passive. It takes the image of the post and grafts it onto this tree of experience without any visible effort towards... weighing the post? It takes it seriously in the context of me making relatively nonsensical posts, and just sort of stops there. I'd have a lot less issue if it was more like "no that's not really a legit analysis post, but you know cuth". Don't think I'm really conveying my meaning very well, but.
Vote: Montmorency
Insaner. I've been holding back and watching, trying to figure out what exactly his approach is. Posts seemed very standard middle of the road affair (not that there's anything wrong with that) off the bat, but he mentioned enjoying playing with wolfy and that seemed to present a slightly different picture (again not to denigrate that, I just think those pools of people don't overlap entirely most of the time), and I didn't feel like I had a grasp on what the game was to him very well until more recently. My inclination here is villager, because he doesn't really seem like the sort of person to be a very confident wolf who takes the initiative in a setting like this with most iterations of the player list. Things like pushing hard on me w.r.t. Logic, saying I'm obviously caught. Falls into the pool of people taking my initial post seriously (traditionally? don't know if serious is the right word here), perhaps in this case more "seriously" than anyone else. Creates an inconsistency out of nowhere but also not nowhere from certain viewpoints, and pursues it. I think he's been going out of his way to interact with people and figure them out, and as far as I can tell it's more likely to be coming from a villager in most worlds. No prior experience though, so who knows.
I can see the appeal to merl1n's early stuff, but I think it's being given a pass too much on some fronts just because BeginnerForumMafia, which is lazy/easy to take advantage of.
I think Empoof would take advantage of the open gamestate more as a wolf, have the feeling that his holding back and being tentative is somewhat villagery.
Cuth is town here.
People giving merlin a free pass, what if he's some secret alt that's not actually new? Would you still town read them then?
El Barto
12-06-2019, 04:58
OK, a few thoughts from a Barto that really needs Focusyn but won't take it so that the John Carpenter film that's about to start can actually disable my remaining neurons and make me fall asleep before 5 a.m. for once in my sorry life.
There's a lot of players whom I cannot read (ladd, Egix, dyachei -mostly-, Insaner, Empoof, merl1n, Fable -mostly-) because I haven't played with them -well, dyachei and Fable a bit, but it's been ages. So I'll play it by ear.
There's something weird there.
Zack's being aggressive and his read on me seems to have caused an interesting chain reaction from easy bandwaggoners (notice how *he* isn't voting me ;))…
This is the same thing choxorn did to newyn that I disliked cause it just feels fake, and masquerades as promoting productivity when it's actually completely unproductive
… and then you voted Choxie, at least, but Fable's reaction makes me still suspect him.
newyn/Choxorn's N/A for now but only because it's D1. I've seen mafia duos get by with mutual tunnelling before.
GH's stopping by to post an announcement that he cannot post is odd.
Cuth… my x-postspidey sense tells me that's the real Cuth, at least he's solving, leave alone for now.
Monty… I think he tried to defend me? Odd. But then he voted for me (post #193) without even saying why, just jumping on the bandwaggon. I cannot take earlier D1 votes as terribly serious but Monty's I can because he does a lot of analysis and then plonks down the vote on me. Ty Monty and vote:Montmorency (Fable, get active, man). Counterwaggon roll, choo-choo!
Has anybody seen pzelda? He's the only one not posting.
Cuth is town here.
People giving merlin a free pass, what if he's some secret alt that's not actually new? Would you still town read them then?
Sure?
I'm a bit puzzled by the amount of pushback there. His posts are fine and it's only halfway through d1 anyways, what's the crisis here exactly?
El Barto
12-06-2019, 04:59
Cuth is town here.
People giving merlin a free pass, what if he's some secret alt that's not actually new? Would you still town read them then?
I specifically wrote this down on Notepad while doing the vote tally:
‘Page 3: post #77 by merl1n wtf is this oh he's a RL mafia player’
Anyway, it's John Carpenter time, see you in a RL day or a bit less.
Cuthillius
12-06-2019, 05:04
Sure?
I'm a bit puzzled by the amount of pushback there. His posts are fine and it's only halfway through d1 anyways, what's the crisis here exactly?
His posts are fine and it's halfway through d1. I don't think he deserves to be top of readslist level villagery is all.
His posts are fine and it's halfway through d1. I don't think he deserves to be top of readslist level villagery is all.
I mean who else am I supposed to put there
Everyone agrees the most villagy person is me
Montmorency
12-06-2019, 05:10
think Monty has a very dim view of my play (rather understandable, given my showing in past games on the Org, but I don't especially care for the way he went about his comment-- was along the lines of "yeah that looks like the sort of analysis he'd make but normally he's defending himself at the same time". Which, alright, fair. But taken as an analysis post in the traditional sense my post is garbage. Several people had, as far as I could tell, the interpretation that I was implying something relating "safeness" and alignment/that there have to be x number of people in category for no reason/whatever else when there wasn't really much overarching structure other than basically two separate readslists containing everyone I'd personally formed an opinion, however significant or insignificant, on. There are people whose approach reads into how I see their play, but that's not the case with others. What Monty's post looks like is a "yes that is a bad analysis post but you know it's normal". I can't hold either opinion against him as such, but it seems a bit, oh, passive. It takes the image of the post and grafts it onto this tree of experience without any visible effort towards... weighing the post? It takes it seriously in the context of me making relatively nonsensical posts, and just sort of stops there. I'd have a lot less issue if it was more like "no that's not really a legit analysis post, but you know cuth". Don't think I'm really conveying my meaning very well, but.
You're going a bit too far. I was relating my meta of your style, not to the content as such. I don't really care about how good or bad the safety analysis might be because there couldn't have been much substance to it so early. So there wasn't anything more for me to add to that discussion. I don't have a dim view of your play. I'm not sure you've ever been scum on the Org for me to evaluate.
I'm glad to hear it confirmed I understand a little of your meta, though I'm surprised you're not breaking that post up.
Speaking of breaking up, our top priority should be to stress-test the nascent towncore. Someone step up.
newyn/Choxorn's N/A for now but only because it's D1. I've seen mafia duos get by with mutual tunnelling before.
Mutual, huh?
Counterwaggon roll, choo-choo!
A thunderdome for old time's sake? I'll pass.
Everyone agrees the most villagy person is me
They do? Well, in that case:
Speaking of breaking up, our top priority should be to stress-test the nascent towncore.
People trying to call merl1n not townie: why?
I def should watch watchmen series
completely forgot
also insaner - when you answered my question, I went back to see if you actually called cuth/gh wolfy, saw yiu did so I really didnt care to follow up more
Speaking of breaking up, our top priority should be to stress-test the nascent towncore. Someone step up.
What does this even mean
Montmorency
12-06-2019, 05:17
What does this even mean
I don't know! :laugh4:
I want to know if there is something that could make the Squad turn on each other, and if so, why.
I specifically wrote this down on Notepad while doing the vote tally:
‘Page 3: post #77 by merl1n wtf is this oh he's a RL mafia player’
Anyway, it's John Carpenter time, see you in a RL day or a bit less.
someone knows if this kind of "faking taking notes" stuff is in barto wolf range?
how do we stress test a towncore exactly
I'm not even adding insaner into it personally but I'm fine with zack calling him town and don't have anything really against him, the more he posts the more comfortable I end up feeling.
People are sorta halfheartedly calling me town, probably expecting me to do some of my fancy tells™ since I've been taking somewhat of a backseat/sideline approach.
Like, you don't have to agree with any towncore forming? I don't even think we've done any towncore-y things. We're just actually playing to game in a sea of people sorta just... not really playing. I can't read into any of that. There's probably been a wolf that's been active and playing, and it's probably someone like GH or ladd. Both of them are the type of players that are easier to read the longer the game goes. ladd's doing /fine enough even though I kinda feel not so comfortable about the slot for no real good reason.
Sidebar towncore would be like monty/cuth, cuth more than monty for me.
If you want to stress test anyone in the core it's gonna be me and there's basically zero chance that that'll be anything productive.
American Vandal is hilarious though for anyone wondering, I'm on episode 3 right now ZOOM
alrighty it's 5 am and i woke up for no reason so see ya later
fwiw I don't think monty paranoia abiut the villacore is villagery like some people are saying
also if barto is a wolf I think his pot shot at fable is >rand to be w/w. Not that I feel particularly good abiut barto being a wolf
I don't know! :laugh4:
I want to know if there is something that could make the Squad turn on each other, and if so, why.
Let's all watch the fun. I don't even know what's going on anymore.
<Insaner Posts>
Wait, who exactly are all the wolfy people going after Barto? Zack is the strongest pusher of him and you have Zack as one of your townreads.
Had a chance to go look back through the thread again, and yeah, it's mainly been Zack and Empoof pushing Barto, as well as ladd, (so, 2 of Insaner's townreads and 1 scumread), with a few others occasionally mentioning him (and Monty's voting for him now, of course). Not really sure why Insaner thinks Barto is spewed town by "all these wolfy people" going after him. Ladd going after Barto certainly doesn't mean he can't be scum, or that those two couldn't be scumbuddies.
Actually, looking again, it's really just been Zack and Empoof with ladd sorta thinking he was wolfy but not strongly pushing him.
alrighty it's 5 am and i woke up for no reason so see ya later
fwiw I don't think monty paranoia abiut the villacore is villagery like some people are saying
also if barto is a wolf I think his pot shot at fable is >rand to be w/w. Not that I feel particularly good abiut barto being a wolf
Is there anyone else you do feel particularly good about being a wolf? Does Barto still look like the wolfiest player to you?
Cuthillius
12-06-2019, 05:55
I think what you said makes more sense with that assumption, because you took it seriously/traditionally and then handwaved. I'd be more charitably disposed towards you this game if you'd said yeah well you know you post all sorts of things because it'd be rather true and make a clear narrative.
People trying to call merl1n not townie: why?
I think Merlin is townie but if any experienced player had posted like he did, I'd probably still have a slight town read on them, just nowhere as high as people seem to have him now.
I think Merlin is townie but if any experienced player had posted like he did, I'd probably still have a slight town read on them, just nowhere as high as people seem to have him now.
Who do you think has been townier?
today sucked. work sucks. i'll be around tomorrow afternoon/evening and catch up then, hopefully!
Who do you think has been townier?
You, Cuth, Empoof and ladd. Maybe Insaner too.
Cuth is town here.
People giving merlin a free pass, what if he's some secret alt that's not actually new? Would you still town read them then?
Yes.
OK, a few thoughts from a Barto that really needs Focusyn but won't take it so that the John Carpenter film that's about to start can actually disable my remaining neurons and make me fall asleep before 5 a.m. for once in my sorry life.
There's a lot of players whom I cannot read (ladd, Egix, dyachei -mostly-, Insaner, Empoof, merl1n, Fable -mostly-) because I haven't played with them -well, dyachei and Fable a bit, but it's been ages. So I'll play it by ear.
There's something weird there.
Zack's being aggressive and his read on me seems to have caused an interesting chain reaction from easy bandwaggoners (notice how *he* isn't voting me ;))…
… and then you voted Choxie, at least, but Fable's reaction makes me still suspect him.
newyn/Choxorn's N/A for now but only because it's D1. I've seen mafia duos get by with mutual tunnelling before.
GH's stopping by to post an announcement that he cannot post is odd.
Cuth… my x-postspidey sense tells me that's the real Cuth, at least he's solving, leave alone for now.
Monty… I think he tried to defend me? Odd. But then he voted for me (post #193) without even saying why, just jumping on the bandwaggon. I cannot take earlier D1 votes as terribly serious but Monty's I can because he does a lot of analysis and then plonks down the vote on me. Ty Monty and vote:Montmorency (Fable, get active, man). Counterwaggon roll, choo-choo!
Has anybody seen pzelda? He's the only one not posting.
This post from Barto is alright. He just sees the things that look odd to him and spills it out into the thread. It looks natural. I think his jab at consensus #1 town read Zack is villagery because the wolves already know they won't be lynching him. Also calling someone odd for trying to defend you is probably >rand villager although I don't really have many examples to back it up.
This catch up post reminds me of Scare's wolf game
I appreciate you getting that thought out there, but I'm not really seeing how that's... relevant? iirc ladd and Scare haven't played together recently.
The bottom one. Is there a way to clear multi quotes on mobile other than by unclicking each quote individually?
Going Advanced and then posting might help. I know it clears MQs on MU.
Actually, looking again, it's really just been Zack and Empoof with ladd sorta thinking he was wolfy but not strongly pushing him.
Is there anyone else you do feel particularly good about being a wolf? Does Barto still look like the wolfiest player to you?
no
and probably? I just skimmed the last 3 pages or so and this is the first post I have been able to make from pc all game so maybe when I actually have time to sit down and play later today stuff will change
Hi, finally here. I see a number of familiar faces. You might not recognize me, but I know most of you. I lurked around MU for years and read your posts.
I like Zack
insaner indifferent, I agree with the words that they say (Zack barto push > GH barto push) but lacks some of the hutzpah I expect from them.
GH lean very slightly good but also feels like he might be trying a bit too hard.
Logic good for bad reasons.
Monty feels sorta offputting but I think it's a playstyle thing.
Merl1n baseline good.
:bow:
I disagree on Zack. He's just playing around. His push ob Barto wasn't based on a real read imho
Insaner posting twice as much as the rest of game has been my only impression
I guess this got explained meanwhile.
I reread Monty's wall thrice and the only thing, which pings me is the weird remark on GH.
I hope this got expanded.
Empoof's reads make me sleepy. I guess I need to cup of damn good coffee.
Let me tell you, this was a wild night, could be wilder but I was too of a nerd for that.
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