Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]

[Visor]

I'm a firm believer of the vig choosing the kill in f4 to set themselves up for f3

So, go with God insomnia

[Sunbae]

I'm not entirely sure what I'm supposed to do in this situation. Maybe I need to be more aggressively defensive with an "anyone but me" mentality because I know that's the correct answer. It's what Visor has been doing today - repeating that I'm probably a villager but casing me anyways just in case - and it appears like it's going to be successful for him. I thiiiink that's still successful for me so I'm kinda just shrugging at it but I think I'll look back at this if it's a loss and try and work out how to approach this game day differently.

[Visor]

I'm not entirely sure what I'm supposed to do in this situation. Maybe I need to be more aggressively defensive with an "anyone but me" mentality because I know that's the correct answer. It's what Visor has been doing today - repeating that I'm probably a villager but casing me anyways just in case - and it appears like it's going to be successful for him. I thiiiink that's still successful for me so I'm kinda just shrugging at it but I think I'll look back at this if it's a loss and try and work out how to approach this game day differently.

i dont think your approach was bad, it really just comes down to how insomnia individually reads all of us

[Visor]

i guess from your pov its: what could i have done to be the person insomnia village reads the most

and thats a toss up lol, especially because its so reliant on d1 stuff that you cant predict is relevant

i guess the strength of your villa read on me mightve had an impact?

[Sunbae]

Carrying on with that thought, if I'm trying to say "well visor can be a wolf here because xyz but I don't think so" I think the only real "issue" in the game is the approach today being so much different than mine? Whereas I'm over here just working through things finding who I think is the wolf, he's had more of a "kill both of them" focus that really hasn't been shared by me. Which I get it, like I just said in my last post maybe that's how I should be acting too but like, I think the wolf *needs* to get both killed and I'm pretty content with just killing ephem and hoping my reads are right and I think once I make that Ephem case it should be pretty easy for him to do the same? In that world I'd probably have to say sorry to mischief who tried to warn me about it, but I really just viewed the two of them as intercommunicating villagers and didn't weigh that warning heavily.

[Sunbae]

i guess from your pov its: what could i have done to be the person insomnia village reads the most

and thats a toss up lol, especially because its so reliant on d1 stuff that you cant predict is relevant

i guess the strength of your villa read on me mightve had an impact?

Yeah, which is really funny in the Ephem wolf world because I might get chopped for being right lmao. If it is the you wolf world though then I don't think I would have gotten there in a final 3 anyways so a loss is a loss.

[Visor]

Carrying on with that thought, if I'm trying to say "well visor can be a wolf here because xyz but I don't think so" I think the only real "issue" in the game is the approach today being so much different than mine? Whereas I'm over here just working through things finding who I think is the wolf, he's had more of a "kill both of them" focus that really hasn't been shared by me. Which I get it, like I just said in my last post maybe that's how I should be acting too but like, I think the wolf *needs* to get both killed and I'm pretty content with just killing ephem and hoping my reads are right and I think once I make that Ephem case it should be pretty easy for him to do the same? In that world I'd probably have to say sorry to mischief who tried to warn me about it, but I really just viewed the two of them as intercommunicating villagers and didn't weigh that warning heavily.

ya i think thats reasonable

the problem is how the f4 scenario frames how people play it, and my history of f4s in vig turbos lol

[Sunbae]

I guess the other answer is "dont tunnel the vig for two days" but uh, idk I really thought that was the solve and was really happy with it.

[Visor]

i will say i have leaned towards eph fairly heavily, though i did do some due diligence on you, (admittedly even now i find it hard to commit on whether it was a random push or a bus lol, i hate commitment)

but the perspective of 'well i got there, so you shouldve also got there' is a mixed methodology, in that not everyone has the same perspective/approach, even if it makes a lot of sense to you (which is something i struggle with eternally and where a lot of my 'this person is tripping all these wolf signals but i think im wrong for the right reasons thing' read comes from

[Visor]

insomnia, you still around?

[Visor]

Ephemeral

[Sunbae]

i will say i have leaned towards eph fairly heavily, though i did do some due diligence on you, (admittedly even now i find it hard to commit on whether it was a random push or a bus lol, i hate commitment)

but the perspective of 'well i got there, so you shouldve also got there' is a mixed methodology, in that not everyone has the same perspective/approach, even if it makes a lot of sense to you (which is something i struggle with eternally and where a lot of my 'this person is tripping all these wolf signals but i think im wrong for the right reasons thing' read comes from


Oh, don't get it twisted I'm not saying "I now think Visor is the wolf". I'm pretty set in stone on my read at this point and feel good about it. I'm covering bases by saying "if we do chop Ephem and Ephem flips villager and I'm a sitting duck, here's all I can tell you Insomnia to try and help you get it right". Which is some form of look at which one of us was trying to kill person and which one of us was trying to kill two because the villager between us was hunting for one wolf and the wolf needed to kill two villagers.

I don't think it'll come up (either because Ephem flips wolf or you chop me). But if it does, theres what I got.

[Visor]

Oh, don't get it twisted I'm not saying "I now think Visor is the wolf". I'm pretty set in stone on my read at this point and feel good about it. I'm covering bases by saying "if we do chop Ephem and Ephem flips villager and I'm a sitting duck, here's all I can tell you Insomnia to try and help you get it right". Which is some form of look at which one of us was trying to kill person and which one of us was trying to kill two because the villager between us was hunting for one wolf and the wolf needed to kill two villagers.

I don't think it'll come up (either because Ephem flips wolf or you chop me). But if it does, theres what I got.

ya thats fair, and its the argument you have to go with ya

[Sunbae]

The most sensible, accepted, gentlemanly f4 in existence. Good job everyone

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #720

1 Ephemeral (Sunbae)
1 Visor (Ephemeral)

Not Voting: insomnia, Visor

Day 3 ends in thunderously calm

believe this is still the count

[Visor]

welcome to the nl and sunbae talkshow

[Visor]

https://i.imgur.com/VsX07cZ.gif

whered insomnia go lol

where ephemeral

[Ephemeral]

i'm fighting a spider

spoiler: it's winning

[Ephemeral]

The most sensible, accepted, gentlemanly f4 in existence. Good job everyone

:hattip:

[Visor]

that it, eph?

[Ephemeral]

i fucking hate life :curtain:

all time low performance from me, but i literally could not find the time

fmpov easiest thing to do is to yeet sunbae for insurance he's not a wolf and i shoot eph in the night. if the wolf is in you 2 then it's safe to assume you fooled each other hard? and i read d1 and don't particularly wolfread anything in solitude. flipping sunbae -> i clear visor and shoot eph

does this sound bad? i really am scared eph is not the wolf and if i have to pick between u 2 oh my lawd

even THO in THEORY tomorrow I should should should have time to finally read

man i hate uni

see this now makes me scared of the world where sunbae is a villager, we kill him and then you sleepwalk into shooting me and nl just laughs

unless i'm reading the entire thing wrong it almost sounds like the optimal play is to kill me today and have you actually burn braincells figuring out which of them it is lol

[Visor]

see this now makes me scared of the world where sunbae is a villager, we kill him and then you sleepwalk into shooting me and nl just laughs

unless i'm reading the entire thing wrong it almost sounds like the optimal play is to kill me today and have you actually burn braincells figuring out which of them it is lol

who do you think is the most likely wolf out of me and sunbae?

[Ephemeral]

who do you think is the most likely wolf out of me and sunbae?

gth? you

but it's absurdly close and there comes a point where I have to accept there's no way I'm cleanly catching either of you with the amount of time/effort I could afford to spend on the game

so my play just has to be putting insom in a spot where he doesn't have to worry about me and can worry about figuring the wolf out, unless i'm missing something

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #720

1 Ephemeral (Sunbae)
1 Visor (Ephemeral)

Not Voting: insomnia, Visor

Day 3 ends in thunderously calm

believe this is still the count 2: electric boogaloo

[Visor]

okay we're 1 hour out.

if insomnia doesn't show back up, im voting eph.

if he shows up and wants to kill sunbae so he can feel good about shooting eph vs me, i will do it, i think eph is the wolf but if it locks in the win to 100% i'll be okay with it

if he shows up and wants to kill eph, i'll be okay with that too, i think that does increase the chance he shoots me a little but c'est la vie

[Visor]

gth? you

but it's absurdly close and there comes a point where I have to accept there's no way I'm cleanly catching either of you with the amount of time/effort I could afford to spend on the game

so my play just has to be putting insom in a spot where he doesn't have to worry about me and can worry about figuring the wolf out, unless i'm missing something

how did you get to me, from your sunbae vote earlier in the phase

[Visor]

insomnia aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Ephemeral]

so basically unless insom feels confident enough about sunbae right now that I can just throw my hands up and sheep him on it, i'd rather let it come down to a silent fight between y'all at night while I sip margaritas on a distant beach

:2thumbsup:

[Visor]

vote: ephemeral

up to you insom. i might towncase myself in a bit if i feel the need.

[Ephemeral]

how did you get to me, from your sunbae vote earlier in the phase

i think i've gone through that already no?

[Sunbae]

okay we're 1 hour out.

if insomnia doesn't show back up, im voting eph.

if he shows up and wants to kill sunbae so he can feel good about shooting eph vs me, i will do it, i think eph is the wolf but if it locks in the win to 100% i'll be okay with it

if he shows up and wants to kill eph, i'll be okay with that too, i think that does increase the chance he shoots me a little but c'est la vie

yeah and of course if Insom comes back and votes me, ephem stays on you, and you vote me, I will also be obligated to vote you. just is what it is at this point

[Visor]

i think i've gone through that already no?

i couldnt follow any connections you made

so if you could resummarise (not that it really matters at this point)

[insomnia]

gth? you

but it's absurdly close and there comes a point where I have to accept there's no way I'm cleanly catching either of you with the amount of time/effort I could afford to spend on the game

so my play just has to be putting insom in a spot where he doesn't have to worry about me and can worry about figuring the wolf out, unless i'm missing something

sure just put it all on me :no:

[Visor]

yeah and of course if Insom comes back and votes me, ephem stays on you, and you vote me, I will also be obligated to vote you. just is what it is at this point

ofc. some part of me desperately wants you to just take the sacrifice but its so hypocritical lol cause id never do it :P

[Sunbae]

forty minutes left of the werewolf game and potentially 24 hours and 40 minutes until we learn if we won or not \o/

[insomnia]

i kinda feel like we're gonna vote wrong a lot of the time and it comes down tomy shot

[Sunbae]

ofc. some part of me desperately wants you to just take the sacrifice but its so hypocritical lol cause id never do it :P

i actually thought of self voting in a recent turbo but didnt, then asked about it in turbo chat afterwards. we live in crazy times

[Visor]

i kinda feel like we're gonna vote wrong a lot of the time and it comes down tomy shot

as long as you don't shoot me, we win. yes i am aware how appealy and wolfy this sort of thing sounds but i cant stress it enough.

pretty sure just posting this lowers our win percentage by 1-2%

[Ephemeral]

sure just put it all on me :no:

:creep: mfw running away from responsibility

[Sunbae]

i kinda feel like we're gonna vote wrong a lot of the time and it comes down tomy shot

heavy lies the crown

[Visor]

i actually thought of self voting in a recent turbo but didnt, then asked about it in turbo chat afterwards. we live in crazy times

if you were willing to bet the game on me being a villager, self voting would work in the sense that it may offer a greater chance that insom would shoot eph

but i can't ask you to selfvote lol, i wouldn't do it, maybe if i had a game of good reads but ive clearly had a bad one and don't trust myself at all

[insomnia]

vote: ephemeral

see you at night but hopefully not ya shmucks

[Visor]

alea iacta est eh

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #793

3 Ephemeral (Sunbae, Visor, insomnia)
1 Visor (Ephemeral)

Day 3 ends in thunderously calm

[Ephemeral]

margaritas it is

53:47 between visor and sunbae (in terms of odds of being the wolf)

asspull numbers but they're probably the best way I can somewhat closely represent how I really feel about them atm

Given how close it is I'm aware it probably won't help you much tonight insom and that's on me but so it goes etc etc

[Ephemeral]

if nl is a villager I'm sure he'll make sure to give me a good talking to for being way too hard on him this time around lol

would bring back memories from the last org game with manti

[Visor]

if nl is a villager I'm sure he'll make sure to give me a good talking to for being way too hard on him this time around lol

would bring back memories from the last org game with manti

:stare:

man that endgame also ticks me off

but i have myself to blame for being lazier in that one, i couldve been a greater team force in getting esooa as a wagon earlier

[Ephemeral]

:stare:

man that endgame also ticks me off

but i have myself to blame for being lazier in that one, i couldve been a greater team force in getting esooa as a wagon earlier

worst part about that was I already had some doubts on esooa, and manti cased them really well

of course I didn't clear him for it

and we never flipped esooa either (until after I died at least, forgot how things went afterwards aside from wolves winning lol)

good example of a game that was very close to being a crazy good village performance but it just fell short by a critical bit, we had most of the right pieces but never came together properly enough I guess

would've still probably gone down to f3 even if we did get esooa earlier I think though, hally was deeeeep

[Visor]

worst part about that was I already had some doubts on esooa, and manti cased them really well

of course I didn't clear him for it

and we never flipped esooa either (until after I died at least, forgot how things went afterwards aside from wolves winning lol)

good example of a game that was very close to being a crazy good village performance but it just fell short by a critical bit, we had most of the right pieces but never came together properly enough I guess

would've still probably gone down to f3 even if we did get esooa earlier I think though, hally was deeeeep

ya i had some stuff on hally in the f6, but nobody was biting and we never win with ara and manasi not showing up

we didnt kill esooa, we killed cuth or monty and shot the other i think

that was our big downfall day

[Visor]

that game i did have decent reads (except on gh lol) and was really confident about esooa being a wolf, just couldnt translate it to success

[Ephemeral]

oh that was also the same game with manasi

i think i'm misremembering some timeline stuff w/r/t that one:whip:

[Ephemeral]

ya i had some stuff on hally in the f6, but nobody was biting and we never win with ara and manasi not showing up

we didnt kill esooa, we killed cuth or monty and shot the other i think

that was our big downfall day

ya that was it

think hally had some openly partnery defenses for esooa from back when manti/I we're calling them out that could've been endgame silver bullets if they died

but alas

[Visor]

the big thing re hally was that they always jumped on others reads

they only tried to kill logic when the thread sentiment said he was a wolf etc

i was able to turn that game into a catch on hally in the spec chat game, so that was cathartic for me lol (not that we needed help i thinklol)

[Ephemeral]

man why does it feel like sunbae just disappears whenever I come around

am I the sunbae repellent smh

[Visor]

feel like we're marching to the firing squad lol

[Ephemeral]

though that does make me feel like nl was more so interested in figuring me out by chatting and calling me out when we've both been around

whereas sunbae looks like he only cared more about pushing me through and getting nl on board with it

either way it would look grim for sunbae tonight but I guess his only play is to hope insom just levels himself lol

[Visor]

though that does make me feel like nl was more so interested in figuring me out by chatting and calling me out when we've both been around

whereas sunbae looks like he only cared more about pushing me through and getting nl on board with it

either way it would look grim for sunbae tonight but I guess his only play is to hope insom just levels himself lol

yeah i thought about that a bit

and i wondered if sunbae knew pushing me was gonna be difficult so decided to play the steady calm mentor guy

[Ephemeral]

well it's far from a well developed thought but it's still there for insom to see if he can get any value out of it tonight i guess

[Visor]

i think if sunbae is a wolf this is the play he had to make

he had to either get me dead (unlikely?) or look like the perfect villager to try and offset the fact he tunneled insom

[Sunbae]

I'm playing magic leave me alone

[Ephemeral]

yeah i thought about that a bit

and i wondered if sunbae knew pushing me was gonna be difficult so decided to play the steady calm mentor guy

ya, I didn't pay much attention to it till recently because I kind of noticed me and sunbae were not really well matched in terms of activity patterns so I figured it made sense

but he really did just... kind of vanish after I came in earlier lol so it struck me as odd

[Visor]

I'm playing magic leave me alone

:stare:

i cant do anything else lol, dont know how you can at this stage of a game :P

[Ephemeral]

i think if sunbae is a wolf this is the play he had to make

he had to either get me dead (unlikely?) or look like the perfect villager to try and offset the fact he tunneled insom

ya like I said, either way it would look grim for him

even if you died today and flipped villa I got the sense that insom trusted me a bit more than he did sunbae earlier at least

so he'd just have to pray for it

idk

[Visor]

ya, I didn't pay much attention to it till recently because I kind of noticed me and sunbae were not really well matched in terms of activity patterns so I figured it made sense

but he really did just... kind of vanish after I came in earlier lol so it struck me as odd

the problem with this f4 is its really all about outwolfing the wolf

lol

i think sunbae as a wolf would know its easy enough to get me onto eph

its why i was so reliant on waiting for you cause i wanted to see something from you i could latch onto and say yes eph is actually a villager

and i just cant seem to find it man, im sorry.

[Ephemeral]

ya it's all good dw

[Ephemeral]

in a shocking turn of events

Vote: Sunbae

may whatever god is out there be with you tonight insom

lmao

[Visor]

lmao

what now insomnia.

[Sunbae]

eek!

[Zack]

3 Ephemeral (Sunbae, Visor, insomnia)
1 Sunbae (Ephemeral)

Day 3 ends in thunderously calm

[Visor]

Vote: Sunbae

:curtain:

[Ephemeral]

for the record i feel like i should clarify

my issue isn't with sunbae simply being quiet whenever I was around

it's more like, I figure a villager at this stage would care about interacting with the others and finding the other villager

and on that level nl checked the boxes

sunbae on the other hand only really focused on casing himself/me and getting the other 2 on board

which from my perspective looks way off

hope that's not an unfair read to make given that we haven't matched activity wise that well

glgl insom

[Sunbae]

yes yes, this day was always ending in a 3-1 vote for me from start of day and it was clear to literally everyone. i dont know why we did the song and dance about it but we did

[Visor]

god is this the eph last minute redemption arc

[Visor]

sorry eph, but i dont think i want to send this to a tie.

[Ephemeral]

is all good

i got what I wanted to get out there

I hope at least lol

godspeed

[Ephemeral]

also he did just reappear when I started turning on him

!!!!!

smh:stare:

[Visor]

fuck it


figners crossed insom

[Zack]

day's over, donut post

[Zack]

https://i.imgur.com/YruSFOa.png

:skull: 2 Ephemeral (Sunbae, insomnia)
2 Sunbae (Ephemeral, Visor)

[Zack]

Ephemeral was eliminated.

They were Sufjan Stevens, vanilla town!

https://i.imgur.com/ohFjDYJ.jpeg

Night actions for night 3 are due in [ended early]



Alive: 3/10
insomnia
Sunbae
Visor

Dead:
Totally not Taffy - d1, vt
dyachei - n1, vt
Lantana - n1, mafia
Mischief - d2, vt
EnderWiggin - n2, vt
Raskolnikov - n2, vt
Ephemeral - d3, vt

[Zack]

insomnia was killed! He was:

Sufjan Stevens, town vig!

https://i.imgur.com/2cdKGr7.png?1

Sunbae was killed! He was:

NOT Sufjan Stevens, but Sujan Stevens - baggage handler!

https://i.imgur.com/adQgKbp.png?2

Town wins!

[Zack]

DVC: https://discord.gg/9PP8qStT

wolfchat: https://discord.gg/sBgWTr77

thanks for playing everyone :bow:

[Sunbae]

As I said in wolf chat after rask died:


you would think that after 6 years id stop having games where i play well in thread and just get boxed out because i cant find the prs LMAO

"wow game seems hard" -> "well at least the wolves cant find the pr" -> "oh lmao it was sunbae again"
a tale as old as time

:shame:


fun game though, super laid back and chill. thanks for it zack! gg all

[Sunbae]

I didn't expect ephem or insom to be around at eod so i wrote up a :00 post to switch to visor, opened up an mtgo draft, clicked back over to see ephem talking about me not being around and switching and was like wtfffff lmao

[Visor]

Gg all wp

Thanks for hosting Zack

Again, apologies for punting at nearly every opportunity lol

[Ephemeral]

I didn't expect ephem or insom to be around at eod so i wrote up a :00 post to switch to visor, opened up an mtgo draft, clicked back over to see ephem talking about me not being around and switching and was like wtfffff lmao

i definitely shouldn't have been around to be fair

but i basically had to after slacking off as much as I did already lol

[Ephemeral]

ggs was fun despite the limited time i had available to chat

saw some new and cool faces around too, always a pleasure

:bow:

[Cape90]

gg i was katze

[insomnia]

gg pleasure to play with the org crew

[Totally not Taffy]

GGWP all and thank you Zack <3