View Full Version : Mini Mafia Game Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
https://i.imgur.com/YDxRHex.png?1
This is a Vig 10er game (2 wolves, 1 town vig, 7 VTs). Eight of you are Sufjan Stevens. Two of you are NOT Sufjan Stevens - kill them!
Take a look at this guide (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/152962-Guide-for-players-coming-from-offsite) for players unfamiliar with mafia on the Org. It's earthy, solid, unagenda'd, generally helpful, and answers some common questions.
Rules:
24/24 phases, changes at 8pm EST. :00 posts/votes are good, :01 posts/votes bad.
You may not talk after death.
Don't quote anything I say to you. Paraphrasing is fine. No screenshots, etc.
You may NOT talk to players outside the thread unless otherwise specified in your role PM.
Vote for players you want eliminated during the day, using the format, Vote: Zack. Votes must be in bold to count. You do not need to unvote to vote someone else. I will count your last legal vote as your vote. You must use that specific vote format with the colon or the vote WILL NOT count. (This makes it easier for me to find the votes.)
If you are not a living player in the game, please do not post in the thread.
Please do not thank posts.
Do not talk at night.
Do not edit posts.
Do not discuss or speculate on subs/modkills in the thread.
If you have a question about the game, ask me privately. I will ignore any questions posed to me in the game thread.
Votes that end in a tie will be decided randomly.
You are allowed to vote for Sleep / No Elimination. Votes will NOT be lucked in mylo or lylo. Day does not end at majority, goes to deadline.
This is a small game with short-ish phases, it is very important that you not go awol. If your activity is a problem, I will replace you. (You don't need to post a ton, just show up each phase.)
Have fun. This is not an option. :stare:
Treat your fellow players with respect. Don't be a dick. This is not an option. :stare:
Players:
1. Visor
2. Sunbae
3. Lantana
4. EnderWiggin
5. Raskolnikov
6. Totally not Taffy
7. Mischief
8. insomnia
9. dyachei
10. Ephemeral
Reserves:
1. Montmorency
2. Hally
3. Csargo
I will announce when the game has started, please do not post until then, thanks.
I will be sending out role PMs shortly, sit tight. There is no flavor in them. Example role PM:
Hi [your name],
You are vanilla town. You win when the mafia are eliminated.
Here is a link to the game thread, the game starts tomorrow the 20th at 8pm EST. Do not post in the thread until I say so.
Have fun! :2thumbsup:
Alive: 4/10
Ephemeral
insomnia
Sunbae
Visor
Dead:
Totally not Taffy - d1, vt
dyachei - n1, vt
Lantana - n1, mafia
Mischief - d2, vt
EnderWiggin - n2, vt
Raskolnikov - n2, vt
Updates:
day 1 + night 1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154682-Sufjan-10er-Game-Thread?p=2053833371&viewfull=1#post2053833371)
day 2 + night 2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154682-Sufjan-10er-Game-Thread?p=2053833580#post2053833580)
game start has been delayed by 24 hours, sorry all for the inconvenience. Timer in previous post has been updated.
dyachei
EnderWiggin
Ephemeral
insomnia
Lantana
Mischief
Raskolnikov
Sunbae
Totally not Taffy
Visor
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 01:01
I have a cat on my lap. That is all.
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 01:02
Ender's town.
The rest of you, still iffy :inquisitive:
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 01:05
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Hi Org squad.
That attachment doesn't seem to work and now I'm curious!
Aww, it was a king fu panda gif.
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 01:10
Aww, it was a king fu panda gif.
Try image tags instead of attachment. (the button with the tree on it)
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/aa/bb/30/aabb30114741f1b837b722cc4814dcb0.gif
It?s strange - a lot of this software and text box thing is identical to MU but the image one I use on MU is different.
Ty!, I?ve got it from here.
Mischief
05-22-2022, 01:14
Hello all, looking forward to this, plenty of familiar individuals here.
Mischief
05-22-2022, 01:15
I have a cat on my lap. That is all.
Cat people are villagers.
Game is solved.
(My cat is feeling needy atm because I've been ignoring her to respond to stuff)
Mischief
05-22-2022, 01:16
And that said, I'll be back later this evening.
I need to get some food, because it's past 5 and I haven't had anything to eat yet today.
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 01:16
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/aa/bb/30/aabb30114741f1b837b722cc4814dcb0.gif
https://media.tenor.com/images/2fab1e1e957ac29edfcb03413d9fa9e1/tenor.gif
If you only do what you can do, you will never be more than you are now.
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 01:32
I have a cat on my lap. That is all.
I have a dog on my feet!
Cat people are villagers.
Game is solved.
(My cat is feeling needy atm because I've been ignoring her to respond to stuff)
Pet pics? (Spoilered for size)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/972632696184520724/photo_2022-05-07_23-37-52.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/972633087097864272/IMG_20200529_201015.jpg
sorry, lost track of time :sweatdrop:
the game is afoot, lettuce ww
:charge:
Day 1 ends in thunderously calm
Alive: 10/10
dyachei
EnderWiggin
Ephemeral
insomnia
Lantana
Mischief
Raskolnikov
Sunbae
Totally not Taffy
Visor
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTw4LNPPhl_NxW_UFTZJ1lV4Clj7g5sa8kD4w&usqp=CAU
This is probably the closest looking pic I could find of Sheldon.
I’ll add that I’m from New Zealand as well, may be seeing some of you all at weird times of your night time^
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 02:09
This is probably the closest looking pic I could find of Sheldon.
I’ll add that I’m from New Zealand as well, may be seeing some of you all at weird times of your night time^
:sweetheart: doggo
And yeah, it's just past 2am here but I didn't want to wake up on Sunday and find I'd missed the best part of the game!
Awesome!
What sites have you played on?
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 02:16
Awesome!
What sites have you played on?
A long, long time ago, when Goblins (https://www.goblinscomic.org/) still had a forum with a gaming subforum, we played serial killer games there. More recently I've started playing proper WW on Giantitp (https://forums.giantitp.com/forumdisplay.php?50-Structured-Games). I have an MU account but I've not actually played there yet.
You?
Have you heard of a player called Ladd?
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 02:22
Heard of yes but I don't think we've met. Were you in Amrock's turbo with all the aliases?
Have you heard of a player called Ladd?
:stare:
Vote: EnderWiggin
I haven’t played a turbo in quite a while but yes I have been in amrocks turbos before.
I’m not Ladd though. Pranked!
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 02:28
I haven’t played a turbo in quite a while but yes I have been in amrocks turbos before.
I’m not Ladd though. Pranked!
https://media.tenor.co/images/0984775ddfecfdf3f160efa87e8626f2/raw
It's ok I forgive you!
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 02:29
Ladd's presence indicates my wolfiness, got it.
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 02:30
I'd get a picture of Maia or either of the two siblings but I'm being lazy rn because my D&D got cancelled.
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 02:31
Ladd's presence indicates my wolfiness, got it.
They're just intimidated by your extreme Sufjan Stevensness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLEXd_P6A0s
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 02:41
I'd get a picture of Maia or either of the two siblings but I'm being lazy rn because my D&D got cancelled.
You freaked me out bc "Maia" is my rl name. Now I definitely want to see that cat, or no heart emojis for you :no:
I saw Maia and I thought it said mafia :clown:
taffy seems like a villager yolo
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 03:04
taffy seems like a villager yolo
You seem to underappreciate the RVS, and since it's late I'll plonk down a vote and go to bed.
Vote: Mischief for pulling an Abe Simpson on us.
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FfDO2Nk0ImzvvW%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 03:19
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I have been asked for cat pics and I shall deliver after all.
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 03:19
Oh hm that was smaller than I expected.
:creep: :gossip:
thats me sneaking away to play werewolf while nobodys looking
you all have adorable cats and doggos and i am jealous cause i cant have any at my current place
Looked into getting a rabbit cause that wasnt listed but apparently they require a lot more space than I thought/have
I love these emojis
~:smoking:
Sooooo is it always quiet on d1 here?
let's play ww!
Ladd's presence indicates my wolfiness, got it.
Do you think Visor was being serious and is being serious or not serious more likely to indicate alignment one way or another?
Yeah, org emotes are GOAT. As for quiet, if you're used to the mu speeds this one will be a lot slower. I think I averaged about 75-80 posts last game and died day 3 but was in the top quarter of posters when I died. Game before that here I think I died in the 50s. Usually a much more laid back and methodical type of thread early instead of a spam fest (I'm also going to be taking it into account the feedback that I posted a bit too much in a row last game and will be trying to keep things in fewer posts, as well as some other stuff but I won't bore anyone about the finer details of my adjustments). Got a bit more active in the back half of the game but by then it's a lot fewer people so it wasn't a big difference in daily posts.
If you'd like to get the ball rolling I'm all ears. I don't have anything very interesting on my end. A slight, slight frown towards Ender for acting like/thinking that Visor's response to you + vote on Ender were related but it's so small on the grand scale of things that I doubt it'll be a relevant factor by end of day. Kinda think your eagerness to get going is a towny mindset when coupled with your initial pranking/bubbly spurt but shrug. Don't really understand the visor yolo on taffy but maybe I just had to be there. Don't think Mischief saying he has to eat is abe simpsoning?
I'd get a picture of Maia or either of the two siblings but I'm being lazy rn because my D&D got cancelled.
I've determined from experience that getting 5 people to consistently box out the same block of time weekly is just an impossible task. Think we canceled like 30-40% of my d&d games back when I "played" weekly
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 07:44
I've determined from experience that getting 5 people to consistently box out the same block of time weekly is just an impossible task. Think we canceled like 30-40% of my d&d games back when I "played" weekly
I have managed to make the cancelling more like 10-15% so I'm actually pretty happy. But also kinda sad that it did get cancelled
Do you think Visor was being serious and is being serious or not serious more likely to indicate alignment one way or another?
My response is "Vague wave, shrug, glance."
Also yeah, Org is relatively laid back compared to other places.
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 07:47
I have found one, one beautiful townread!
Also:
Vote: Sunbae
By all known laws of aviation, Baes should not be able to fly.
I have managed to make the cancelling more like 10-15% so I'm actually pretty happy. But also kinda sad that it did get cancelled
My response is "Vague wave, shrug, glance."
Also yeah, Org is relatively laid back compared to other places.
10-15% is incredible really. Super jealous of your squad being able to do that. We had a stretch where we went like two months without a cancellation and then it just fell apart where we'd go two weeks cancelled, a half session cause someone said they just weren't feeling it, a cancelled session, a full session, then repeat for a few months until we kinda just ... stopped.
Put it this way: we're currently on Hiatus for the last 5 months and if we don't finish by October it will be 4 years of playing curse of strahd lol
I have found one, one beautiful townread!
Also:
Vote: Sunbae
By all known laws of aviation, Baes should not be able to fly.
:creep: :flowers:
me creeping away from flowers so i cant be a bee
10-15% is incredible really. Super jealous of your squad being able to do that. We had a stretch where we went like two months without a cancellation and then it just fell apart where we'd go two weeks cancelled, a half session cause someone said they just weren't feeling it, a cancelled session, a full session, then repeat for a few months until we kinda just ... stopped.
Put it this way: we're currently on Hiatus for the last 5 months and if we don't finish by October it will be 4 years of playing curse of strahd lol
Sounds like you found the true curse of strahd
Sounds like you found the true curse of strahd
Do you know how hard I laughed when the FFB crew started talking about doing curse of strahd? im like nah, i think ive had enough of that for a lifetime lol
We'll see if they can keep it together or if schedules/desire to play breaks it up. Little worried it's just gonna collapse after 1-2 sessions.
(Like the 'oh that was fun we should do this again sometime' that turns into never)
Oh I think what they meant re simpsoning was mischief showing up and then leaving immediately like the gif
We'll see if they can keep it together or if schedules/desire to play breaks it up. Little worried it's just gonna collapse after 1-2 sessions.
(Like the 'oh that was fun we should do this again sometime' that turns into never)
I hope it ends up being something they stick with and have fun with. D&D is such a good time if you can keep it going (plus I'd love to play later in the year when my schedule opens up and they are on a different module)
I might even throw my DM hat into the ring later to run one of the MTG modules (or even a more custom one that I designed years ago when we thought we'd be playing our games every week)
Re taffy, I just did it because newer player I think and posted a bunch at the start, small stuff but figured if villa they might bounce off it. They went to bed apparently so I guess not. And they didn't really talk about the game so I guess no read there is fairer. Or rather I want to see how they approach solving overnight.
I hope it ends up being something they stick with and have fun with. D&D is such a good time if you can keep it going (plus I'd love to play later in the year when my schedule opens up and they are on a different module)
I might even throw my DM hat into the ring later to run one of the MTG modules (or even a more custom one that I designed years ago when we thought we'd be playing our games every week)
Custom sunbae module eh?
The gang does persona 5 :p
Re taffy, I just did it because newer player I think and posted a bunch at the start, small stuff but figured if villa they might bounce off it. They went to bed apparently so I guess not. And they didn't really talk about the game so I guess no read there is fairer. Or rather I want to see how they approach solving overnight.
Cool, thanks. Similar to mine on Lantana then with the bubbly/eager thing and trying to interact with them some to get rolling.
Custom sunbae module eh?
The gang does persona 5 :p
Actually no! I did a custom module for MTG Amonkhet. They have a module for it themselves but I ended up taking it off into a very different direction using their stuff as a baseline.
Not sure what to think of mischief taking three posts to check out lol, but I'll see what happens overnight
Any real thoughts on blade/ender sunbae?
Cool, thanks. Similar to mine on Lantana then with the bubbly/eager thing and trying to interact with them some to get rolling.
Ya, real simple read.
Not sure what to think of mischief taking three posts to check out lol, but I'll see what happens overnight
Any real thoughts on blade/ender sunbae?
I mean not really. I know I ended up being right there last game but realistically it was due to vote history/flips and a bit of luck, so I don't even really have the "you can read them well lets go 2/2 get em" brainworm or anything. I had the mildest slanting face at the ladd comment to you, like a "oh that reads a bit annoyed why would he be annoyed by that" thing but i just wanna see what he gets into.
Concerned I'm already posting too much. Didn't plan on it but then I start chatting with people and it gets away from me.
Don't really read much into the mischief thing. Taking it at face value that he wanted to say hi then go eat and will be back later.
Sunbae v (this won't bite me in the ass at all)
checks out, I’m fine with a lower volume game personally and tend to post way too much now. This will be a good lesson regardless of outcome.
Also I think a bubbly = towny description is fine for me at the moment, but I can get quite feisty just for full disclosure. As in… don’t just wolf read me if I am not a single wave bubbly nya
This was in response to Sunbae^
Concerned I'm already posting too much. Didn't plan on it but then I start chatting with people and it gets away from me.
Don't really read much into the mischief thing. Taking it at face value that he wanted to say hi then go eat and will be back later.
Ya the paranoid part of me says taking three posts to do that is weird, but the more reasonable side says, sure whatever, face value etc
Visorslash villager I believe. Justification to come later if I feel the same - riding the vibe for now.
Mischief
05-22-2022, 09:18
Pet pics? (Spoilered for size)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/972632696184520724/photo_2022-05-07_23-37-52.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/972633087097864272/IMG_20200529_201015.jpg
Aw
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My cat Cersei.
Mischief
05-22-2022, 09:21
I saw Maia and I thought it said mafia :clown:
Same tbh
Mischief
05-22-2022, 09:23
Oh hm that was smaller than I expected.
https://www.fortressofsolitude.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Emo-Peter-Parker-Meme.jpg
Mischief
05-22-2022, 09:25
You seem to underappreciate the RVS, and since it's late I'll plonk down a vote and go to bed.
Vote: Mischief for pulling an Abe Simpson on us.
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FfDO2Nk0ImzvvW%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1
I was hungry.
I got Raising Cane's, then a friend talked my ear off for hours about Star Wars and 18th century politics.
Though what you said is true, so I'm not going to contest it.
Mischief
05-22-2022, 09:27
you all have adorable cats and doggos and i am jealous cause i cant have any at my current place
Looked into getting a rabbit cause that wasnt listed but apparently they require a lot more space than I thought/have
Well, to satisfy you until you can get one, I present my sister's bunny:
25577
Mischief
05-22-2022, 09:30
Yeah, org emotes are GOAT. As for quiet, if you're used to the mu speeds this one will be a lot slower. I think I averaged about 75-80 posts last game and died day 3 but was in the top quarter of posters when I died. Game before that here I think I died in the 50s. Usually a much more laid back and methodical type of thread early instead of a spam fest (I'm also going to be taking it into account the feedback that I posted a bit too much in a row last game and will be trying to keep things in fewer posts, as well as some other stuff but I won't bore anyone about the finer details of my adjustments). Got a bit more active in the back half of the game but by then it's a lot fewer people so it wasn't a big difference in daily posts.
If you'd like to get the ball rolling I'm all ears. I don't have anything very interesting on my end. A slight, slight frown towards Ender for acting like/thinking that Visor's response to you + vote on Ender were related but it's so small on the grand scale of things that I doubt it'll be a relevant factor by end of day. Kinda think your eagerness to get going is a towny mindset when coupled with your initial pranking/bubbly spurt but shrug. Don't really understand the visor yolo on taffy but maybe I just had to be there. Don't think Mischief saying he has to eat is abe simpsoning?
Tbh, 80 posts in a game seems pretty nice.
I recently did like 100 posts in a single game day in an MU game, and that was tiring.
I saw that things are a bit more chill here when I was reading all the rules and whatnot, so this seems like a good compromise to avoid hitting burnout.
Mischief
05-22-2022, 09:33
Oh I think what they meant re simpsoning was mischief showing up and then leaving immediately like the gif
That was my impression as well.
I ended up being gone a lot longer than expected anyway, and didn't look at when it was posted, but I figured that might also be a part of it.
Which is largely why I don't really think much of it.
A wolf could do that opportunistically, a villager could tinfoil it.
Not much to read into either way.
Mischief
05-22-2022, 09:35
Not sure what to think of mischief taking three posts to check out lol, but I'll see what happens overnight
Any real thoughts on blade/ender sunbae?
I was planning on heading out, but I figured I'd post here first, so people know that I haven't forgotten about this game altogether, being my first game on this site.
A little assurance that I won't be 0-poster.
insomnia
05-22-2022, 09:37
hey all
pleasure to be a guest in the ORG :curtain:
sap new and old folks
insomnia
05-22-2022, 09:40
Ender's town.
The rest of you, still iffy :inquisitive:
:2thumbsup:
Mischief
05-22-2022, 09:40
Sunbae v (this won't bite me in the ass at all)
I am hesitantly in agreement.
Hesitant, because I know how capable Sunbae is, but still leaning V because in his interactions with you it would be quite easy to take a less charitable position on me and justify it, so I don't see any early signs of pushing things toward ML.
Vote ender
Prob least towny slot so far
insomnia
05-22-2022, 09:42
Hello all, looking forward to this, plenty of familiar individuals here.
hi insomnia :rtwyes:
I was planning on heading out, but I figured I'd post here first, so people know that I haven't forgotten about this game altogether, being my first game on this site.
A little assurance that I won't be 0-poster.
makes sense, i do the same thing on new sites too
hi insomnia
any thoughts from either of you so far?
insomnia
05-22-2022, 09:45
who are you on mu?
Have you heard of a player called Ladd?
slight non-partnery look if it matters in the long run
:bow:
insomnia
05-22-2022, 09:46
who are you on mu?
makes sense, i do the same thing on new sites too
hi insomnia
any thoughts from either of you so far?
we are the one and the same person
i am reading through content rn to catch up
insomnia
05-22-2022, 09:48
taffy seems like a villager yolo
can you give a reason why? if not then that's fine too i guess
insomnia
05-22-2022, 09:49
You seem to underappreciate the RVS, and since it's late I'll plonk down a vote and go to bed.
Vote: Mischief for pulling an Abe Simpson on us.
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FfDO2Nk0ImzvvW%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1
hrm this is a minor good look. fluffing into plopping a vote like this feels like a fine enough progression
insomnia
05-22-2022, 09:58
alr saw some posts saying spamposting here is frowned upon so i tried to read through everything and condense things in 1 post
i really don't understand visor's taffy read. i thought taffy started with a semi-awkward opening that i wouldn't really wolfread without meta, but it kept me on my toes. apparently visor had the opposite take but from his reasoning it didn't make much sense to me. gth his sunbae v read so soon might be a better look? idk them well enough to shake off my early feeling about visor
sunbae's gripes seemed ~ok, not that villagery. i wanna lean into saying experienced players picking on a detail like that is a good look ig
mischief's starting posts seemed underwhelming for them but i have no thoughts on their follow-up
das bout it
alr saw some posts saying spamposting here is frowned upon so i tried to read through everything and condense things in 1 post
i really don't understand visor's taffy read. i thought taffy started with a semi-awkward opening that i wouldn't really wolfread without meta, but it kept me on my toes. apparently visor had the opposite take but from his reasoning it didn't make much sense to me. gth his sunbae v read so soon might be a better look? idk them well enough to shake off my early feeling about visor
sunbae's gripes seemed ~ok, not that villagery. i wanna lean into saying experienced players picking on a detail like that is a good look ig
mischief's starting posts seemed underwhelming for them but i have no thoughts on their follow-up
das bout it
it was just a lazy early read because they were posting a bunch and didnt seem concerned about posting game content
(but i think its probably a silly read, i kinda just made it to try and spark something in the game)
Mischief
05-22-2022, 10:04
makes sense, i do the same thing on new sites too
hi insomnia
any thoughts from either of you so far?
Not an enormous amount.
Sunbae V lean, mentioned above or last page.
I also lean v on Lantana, just tonally.
I'm not really sure about others.
You in particular, I'm not sure about.
In particular the paranoia in earlier posts, I could see that being faked, but it's entirely possible that you were just feeling a little paranoid.
That's not something I can really determine as of this point in the game.
insomnia
05-22-2022, 10:04
also meant to say lanfantana (i totally butchered it, im sure, sry) voting rask there feels pretty weird for someone kicking into gear as i felt like they were. or at least trying to. it is a conscious decision to place an RVS vote despite being able to analyse the content at hand, and i wanna know why they did it
Re taffy, I just did it because newer player I think and posted a bunch at the start, small stuff but figured if villa they might bounce off it. They went to bed apparently so I guess not. And they didn't really talk about the game so I guess no read there is fairer. Or rather I want to see how they approach solving overnight.
this might be one of those weird villager reads, but seriously i can't see the reason for the villa read. can you like rephrase or dive deeper?
that'll be all from me for a bit, i'll bbl
insomnia
05-22-2022, 10:07
it was just a lazy early read because they were posting a bunch and didnt seem concerned about posting game content
(but i think its probably a silly read, i kinda just made it to try and spark something in the game)
gotcha, but i don't get the feel they were really posting game content? ~:confused:
Mischief
05-22-2022, 10:07
hi insomnia :rtwyes:
Hi Mischief
gotcha, but i don't get the feel they were really posting game content? ~:confused:
... i didnt say they were posting game content, i said tehy didnt seem concerned (about having to) post game content
they were absolutely not posting game content - which i mention later in the thread anyway?
let me try to reduce this to the simplest arguments
a) i thought the fact they didnt seem to really care about making game related posts (and didnt really make any, just a RVS post) was a minor village note for a newer player
b) i thought by making this village read on them, that if they were a villager, they may take heart and be more willing to engage in the game/solving
insomnia
05-22-2022, 10:12
let me try to reduce this to the simplest arguments
a) i thought the fact they didnt seem to really care about making game related posts (and didnt really make any, just a RVS post) was a minor village note for a newer player
b) i thought by making this village read on them, that if they were a villager, they may take heart and be more willing to engage in the game/solving
ok that's good enough and my bad for misreading
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also meant to say lanfantana (i totally butchered it, im sure, sry) voting rask there feels pretty weird for someone kicking into gear as i felt like they were. or at least trying to. it is a conscious decision to place an RVS vote despite being able to analyse the content at hand, and i wanna know why they did it
this might be one of those weird villager reads, but seriously i can't see the reason for the villa read. can you like rephrase or dive deeper?
that'll be all from me for a bit, i'll bbl
Why is your question to me not really phrased as a question but more a demand for information? Am I wrong in thinking there isn’t some negative weight to the demand?
Nya if I misread!
I didn’t really have a particular reason for Raskolnikov nor was it to generate discussion either! Though it’s always nice when life delivers lemons as is the case right now :3
Mischief
05-22-2022, 10:34
Hi Mischief
Hi Mis- Lantana
Concerned I'm already posting too much. Didn't plan on it but then I start chatting with people and it gets away from me.
Don't really read much into the mischief thing. Taking it at face value that he wanted to say hi then go eat and will be back later.
This seems towny. Surface level towny.
On second thoughts I do think a wolf is less likely to express the thought in general and just post lots for the sweet town cred.
So, cool Sunbae.
Getting some nice town reads for the situation :2thumbsup:
Don’t really have any other thoughts yet other than wanting people to do more lol but that’s a me problem until I wake up I think ^^
See you in the morning!
Actually on re-read I retract my v read on visor. I am told he has word salad reads more often as a villager and makes his reads more polished as a wolf, and post 59 looked word salad-y (thereby town meta). If this meta is wrong, blame Katze. That aside though.
His latest string of posting feels like a diplomatic wolf and more closely resembles someone who’s acutely aware of everything they’re posting and the optics. I think this holds true even with meta aside.
Vote visor
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 11:34
I mean not really. I know I ended up being right there last game but realistically it was due to vote history/flips and a bit of luck, so I don't even really have the "you can read them well lets go 2/2 get em" brainworm or anything. I had the mildest slanting face at the ladd comment to you, like a "oh that reads a bit annoyed why would he be annoyed by that" thing but i just wanna see what he gets into.
I was going with snark, if that helps =P
It was kinda a ridiculous thought to even take seriously so I thought it funny if I pseudo pretended to.
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 11:36
Aw
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My cat Cersei.
I want to say I love the name. Very catlike. =P
Actually on re-read I retract my v read on visor. I am told he has word salad reads more often as a villager and makes his reads more polished as a wolf, and post 59 looked word salad-y (thereby town meta). If this meta is wrong, blame Katze. That aside though.
His latest string of posting feels like a diplomatic wolf and more closely resembles someone who’s acutely aware of everything they’re posting and the optics. I think this holds true even with meta aside.
Vote visor
I am aware of everything I post? I don't make idle posts in ww games, even posts that seem lazy and noncontributive are done with an eye towards how I think I will be perceived, how I want to be perceived and how I need to be perceived.
Any villager worth their salt should be consider their posts.
Fascinating that katze gave meta on me, not sure they've really seen me as a wolf . Are you a foler?
I don't see an issue with being diplomatic in 24 hours phases either, I didn't want to get into a brawl with insomnia over a misunderstanding of a post, especially because in a few hours I'll be afk till near EOD.
Whether his read on me was something he actually believed or something he thought he could push until I closed it down is something I remain uncertain of
(That all said, lol using someone else's meta interpretation to read me instead of just reading my posts)
I am aware of everything I post? I don't make idle posts in ww games, even posts that seem lazy and noncontributive are done with an eye towards how I think I will be perceived, how I want to be perceived and how I need to be perceived.
Any villager worth their salt should be consider their posts.
Fascinating that katze gave meta on me, not sure they've really seen me as a wolf . Are you a foler?
Er to be clear on this: I'm not saying I'm some sort of ww mastermind, just that yes I am self aware and I don't think being self aware is wolfy
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 12:11
Don't believe him, Visor is a ww mastermind.
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 12:12
That being said, this doesn't feel as much like his wolf play (Lolpartnering)
Albeit, D1 so I reserve the right to change this, but so far it's been ~fine~ from Visor.
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 12:15
My vote should actually be somewhere else than Sunbae since I have them null
But my vote was funny.
vote: mischief
Is where I'm thinking rn
Sunbae seems fine for right now, realistically too early to make a confident v read on him with few posts but he has ticked the right boxes for now
I like Lantana trying to use meta from someone not in the game as an earnest attempt to get me killed, might be a bad read here but I'm taking a D1 gander that they are a villa
Ender had a bit of a wonky start but I also don't think he's tried to look villagery, so I'm also putting a D1 gander there
Taffy, well I'm probably not gonna kill a new player D1, needs to re enter for me to make a read any direction
Insomnia - not even info really to make a read on
Mischief - a slight thing, but the wording of some of his posts feel a little stilted, and his reads without much commenting on the posts in between nor posing many questions is a slight negative sign
So from the posters so far, that's where I'm leaning, but I'm loathe to make a wolf read with 3 zero posters so far. I will be voting one of them if we have 2 or more at EOD, fwiw
As I write this, I'm reminded of ender constantly referring to meta to clear bluekang when we wolfed together, so it's interesting to see him try to clear me on meta (though seems to have less confidence than he did in that game and that's a good sign I think)
Incidentally there's a hilarious world where sunbae/Lantana are wolves but I won't share that one quite yet lol
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 12:51
Reason I cleared BlueKang on meta was purely because I actually had the meta to back it up and could reference it.
I sorta do with you but no way am I gonna lock you in pre-3 days =P
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 12:53
Mischief is not, funnily enough, my super secret wolf read.
Aight well I'm off. Hope you all get cracking and we get some wagons going for eod
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 13:22
Taffy?
Nah Taffy has me pocketed.
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 13:23
Sup friendos. Gonna read :curtain:
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 13:42
Prolly gonna reread it but one wolf in Lantana/taffy.
Wondering if Visor being defensive and willing to articulate read so early is AI or a product of the 24h lenght phase
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 13:43
vote: taffy
Prolly gonna reread it but one wolf in Lantana/taffy.
Wondering if Visor being defensive and willing to articulate read so early is AI or a product of the 24h lenght phase
Def 24 hour phase
If it was 48 I'd just post :curtain:
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 13:56
Def 24 hour phase
If it was 48 I'd just post :curtain:
You are playing a very insidious game here. :stare:
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 14:01
I would also just post in a 48.
I am just posting in a 24, but I would also do it in a 48. :3
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 14:44
Talk to me about your Taffy/Lantana read Raskol?
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 15:12
@Ender: taffy because I am not sure his villa read on you was a joke and his ISO looks filled with posts made to post Id say.
Lantana because of the focus on visor (weird meta read from katze too lol. Visor liked it, I really didnt: i think he isnt ez to read and if you ask someone about him, you arent likely to come and sheep/use it this way). Also there is a post looking blatantly like a shade on insomnia.
Finally their early banter looked like ww to me. Dunno, it was straight up at the start, but they arent probbing or trying to figure each other out.
Now back to F1
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 16:03
Vote: Lantana
I think that'll be my "Going to sleep" vote today.
Pressure go brrrrrrrrrrr
Well, to satisfy you until you can get one, I present my sister's bunny:
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So cute!
Yeah, I came really close to getting one last year. Maybe a year and a half ago, idk time has lost all meaning. Went as far as calling in to one of those shelters that specialize in rabbits and talking with them about it. They told me all that was required - special foods, large spaces for them to hop around, specific vets that specialize in them, etc - and I got cold feet because I couldn't really manage all that in my current place. That's ok though, one day! I've already decided to get one (and a cat, and a dog) when I finally get a place of my own.
Current thoughts after catching up:
I'm trying to be a little more proactive this time around (my last game on MU was pretty much a non-factor and even if my reads were fine you could have replaced me with OPEN SLOT and nothing much would have changed).
Ender, Rask: I'd like to talk about the Lantana wolf reads because I've got a townread there. I thought the overnight posting once I went to sleep was fine so it's not just the bubbly/eager thing. The way they brushed off my villa read as a “won't always be bubbly but it's fine” instead of just taking and moving on felt right? If they are a wolf and trying to pocket me (which the whole villa read of me would be) I don't know why they'd be like that. Switching Visor from townread to wolf read citing Katze-given meta was understandable if that's what you've been told. The timing of the villa read and the shift make sense under those parameters. I did circle back thinking “oh maybe it shifted cause Visor started poking there and it's nefarious” but the change happened while Visor was talking to Insomnia about Taffy so I don't think there's anything to that? My current take is it's someone used to faster paced games and just bouncing around trying to find * something * to chat about.
Lantana: I don't think the meta you have on Visor is uh, accurate? I've always found him to be pretty self-aware regardless of alignment and I think his discussion of trying to just straighten out a misunderstanding is perfectly reasonable. I have a slight townread there for the “whether his read on me was something he actually believed or something he thought he could push until I closed it down is something I remain uncertain of” comment about Insomnia after the misunderstanding because I think it'd be a pretty easy sport for wolf!visor to either buddy up to or lightly shade Insomnia and picking neither just doesn't seem to have an agenda to me. With the knowledge that multiple people have told you the meta read there isn't how they would do it, where's your head at on the rest of their posting?
Ender: It being a snarky response clears that up for me, ty
Regarding Mischief: I think the explanation of wanting to just post immediately to show you'll be around on a new site makes sense. I have a slight town read there for not really forcing anything and openly saying they can't really determine much else at this point in the game. My view of villager!Mischief is one that is pretty careful about finding what reads/votes they have and not pressing the matter.
I got no real thoughts about Insomnia's stint, will wait to see what Taffy says upon return before I try to formulate anything there, and want to interact with Rask/Ender more before landing on anything there as well.
Mischief
05-22-2022, 18:56
vote: mischief
Is where I'm thinking rn
Sunbae seems fine for right now, realistically too early to make a confident v read on him with few posts but he has ticked the right boxes for now
I like Lantana trying to use meta from someone not in the game as an earnest attempt to get me killed, might be a bad read here but I'm taking a D1 gander that they are a villa
Ender had a bit of a wonky start but I also don't think he's tried to look villagery, so I'm also putting a D1 gander there
Taffy, well I'm probably not gonna kill a new player D1, needs to re enter for me to make a read any direction
Insomnia - not even info really to make a read on
Mischief - a slight thing, but the wording of some of his posts feel a little stilted, and his reads without much commenting on the posts in between nor posing many questions is a slight negative sign
So from the posters so far, that's where I'm leaning, but I'm loathe to make a wolf read with 3 zero posters so far. I will be voting one of them if we have 2 or more at EOD, fwiw
As I write this, I'm reminded of ender constantly referring to meta to clear bluekang when we wolfed together, so it's interesting to see him try to clear me on meta (though seems to have less confidence than he did in that game and that's a good sign I think)
vote: Visor
Reason: I don't believe that this is a real read from you.
We have played over the course of 6 years, during that time you have seen a plethora of games from me from both sides, on both sides.
The stiff writing style comment might resonate with someone entirely unfamiliar with me, since I have literally received comments players who didn't know me about it in the last two full games I have played (on MU, and can link if needed. One wolf game, and one as village PR).
Additionally, it is something people have commented on when unfamiliar at other points in the past.
It is something that is not alignment indicative at all, and someone who has played with me not just a few quite quite a few times, would know this well.
Someone with that much experience would also be well aware of the fact I've never been much of an interrogative player, but rather than observational player, with questions forming more sparsely when I have more to work with.
This is a consistent enough fact about me that it could even be used to describe my social style as a whole. (which is probably not great, but c'est la viei)
Lastly, I am less committal on reads than I am as wolf, by a pretty fair margin, especially with such minimal information as is present in a lower volume game.
Conclusion: you are voting me for things that are either not alignment indicative or are in my villa range, and while I would be perfectly fine with a vote for me based on a legitimate case or grievance, I see no legitimacy in this, thus you are a wolf.
Rask: meant to ask if you were referencing the "negative weight" thing regarding Insomnia shade
I'm unsure if my attempts to tighten up some play has resulted in me just not being in the flow or what, but I have like 3 townreads and they are all being voted or voting the others so I'm going to try and figure out if it's me and I need to reorient myself or if I need to try and talk through this with people.
Mischief
05-22-2022, 19:06
vote: Visor
Reason: I don't believe that this is a real read from you.
We have played over the course of 6 years, during that time you have seen a plethora of games from me from both sides, on both sides.
The stiff writing style comment might resonate with someone entirely unfamiliar with me, since I have literally received comments players who didn't know me about it in the last two full games I have played (on MU, and can link if needed. One wolf game, and one as village PR).
Additionally, it is something people have commented on when unfamiliar at other points in the past.
It is something that is not alignment indicative at all, and someone who has played with me not just a few quite quite a few times, would know this well.
Someone with that much experience would also be well aware of the fact I've never been much of an interrogative player, but rather than observational player, with questions forming more sparsely when I have more to work with.
This is a consistent enough fact about me that it could even be used to describe my social style as a whole. (which is probably not great, but c'est la viei)
Lastly, I am less committal on reads than I am as wolf, by a pretty fair margin, especially with such minimal information as is present in a lower volume game.
Conclusion: you are voting me for things that are either not alignment indicative or are in my villa range, and while I would be perfectly fine with a vote for me based on a legitimate case or grievance, I see no legitimacy in this, thus you are a wolf.
Link to what I'm referencing: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/35591-Young-Justice-Season-One?p=5948052&highlight=ocd#post5948052
That post contains both the post in the second game (wolf) as well as the village PR game (as Finn Wolfhard), for anyone interested.
That is also my most recent wolf game, for anyone interested (though arguably also an above average wolf game for me).
Official Tally as of #135
2 Mischief (Totally not Taffy, Visor)
1 Lantana (EnderWiggin)
1 Raskolnikov (Lantana)
1 Totally not Taffy (Raskolnikov)
1 Visor (Mischief)
Not Voting: dyachei, Ephemeral, insomnia, Sunbae
Day 1 ends in thunderously calm
Mischief
05-22-2022, 19:12
So cute!
Yeah, I came really close to getting one last year. Maybe a year and a half ago, idk time has lost all meaning. Went as far as calling in to one of those shelters that specialize in rabbits and talking with them about it. They told me all that was required - special foods, large spaces for them to hop around, specific vets that specialize in them, etc - and I got cold feet because I couldn't really manage all that in my current place. That's ok though, one day! I've already decided to get one (and a cat, and a dog) when I finally get a place of my own.
Makes sense, I nearly adopted a cat years ago, before I had a bit more space.
Nicest cat ever, super sweet and almost immediately gravitated to me when I was at the cat cafe.
I couldn't adopt then, though, because there just wasn't enough space.
This was the cat:
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When you do get one (and the cat and dog), be sure to post photos
And I feel you on time losing meaning.
We've been in covid for almost 2.5 years.
I assure you I will never shut up about them and post all the pictures in the world until people are annoyed by me for it lol. I love animals but never got to have one growing up. My brother was allergic to the hair and I've been in places that don't allow them since.
That cat is so cute <3 <3 <3
hi i made it. Blame the almost 4 month old sleep terrorist currently residing in my home
Mischief
05-22-2022, 19:22
Ender's town.
The rest of you, still iffy :inquisitive:
When I read this initially, I assumed there was no real reasoning behind this, being so early.
Now that there are more posts, is this a read you actually have at this point, and if so why?
What is your overall experience with Ender?
Mischief
05-22-2022, 19:24
I assure you I will never shut up about them and post all the pictures in the world until people are annoyed by me for it lol. I love animals but never got to have one growing up. My brother was allergic to the hair and I've been in places that don't allow them since.
That cat is so cute <3 <3 <3
Ahhh that's unfortunate, hopefully soon enough you'll be somewhere you can acquire one.
Are you looking at places?
The market is abysmal atm.
Mischief
05-22-2022, 19:24
Visor v
That's rather quick.
What is your reasoning there?
alr saw some posts saying spamposting here is frowned upon so i tried to read through everything and condense things in 1 post
i really don't understand visor's taffy read. i thought taffy started with a semi-awkward opening that i wouldn't really wolfread without meta, but it kept me on my toes. apparently visor had the opposite take but from his reasoning it didn't make much sense to me. gth his sunbae v read so soon might be a better look? idk them well enough to shake off my early feeling about visor
sunbae's gripes seemed ~ok, not that villagery. i wanna lean into saying experienced players picking on a detail like that is a good look ig
mischief's starting posts seemed underwhelming for them but i have no thoughts on their follow-up
das bout it
Visor's quick v read on me has some fun meta where I expect him to get there on me relatively quickly and he knows I expect him to get there on me relatively quickly. I didn't put much thought to it alignment wise and don't think anyone else should either. What I did think was alignment indicative a bit was the lack of any comments about you after this exchange you two had. Pretty easy spot for wolfVisor to diffuse and then begin pocketing you with a town read or for wolfVisor to start shading you for not getting it, but instead just kinda diffused and shrugged and moved on.
hi i made it. Blame the almost 4 month old sleep terrorist currently residing in my home
Irl laughed at "sleep terrorist"
Mischief
05-22-2022, 19:26
hi i made it. Blame the almost 4 month old sleep terrorist currently residing in my home
Welcome to Mafia catposting, please prepare your submission.
"Sleep Terrorist" sounds like a metalcore band.
That's rather quick.
What is your reasoning there?
I read his posts and he's not in his wolf meta
Idk, I can't really explain it. He's taking the game as it comes and not forcing reads imo. it's based on gut feels to a degree
Ahhh that's unfortunate, hopefully soon enough you'll be somewhere you can acquire one.
Are you looking at places?
The market is abysmal atm.
The market is abysmal and I'm happy/content being able to be where I'm at currently overall considering the alternatives. If I decide to start looking it'll be for a big move to a different state but that feels like a far ways off. Sadly, this has been that case for longer than I could remember. My "I'll stay a couple years here" move here has turned into over a decade. Yikes.
Me: Long winded explanation of why I think wolf visor would have forced a read on Insomnia and therefore is a town read which nobody really reads all the way through
Dya: visor v, not forcing it, cant explain more
One day I'll learn to be succinct and concise and will ascend to a new werewolf form
Mischief
05-22-2022, 19:32
Vote: Lantana
I think that'll be my "Going to sleep" vote today.
Pressure go brrrrrrrrrrr
I'll read back, if I glossed over something last night, but what is your overall read on that slot? (beyond simply voting for pressure/wolfreading)
fwiw I think you're expecting a lot out of visor, mischief. In the last game we played together, i didnt really recall your exact play and it was hard to use meta on you as a result. don't you think it could be the same for visor here? why have expectations about how you specifically play when you had a long hiatus?
Dya's entrance seems good
Mischief
05-22-2022, 19:37
I read his posts and he's not in his wolf meta
Idk, I can't really explain it. He's taking the game as it comes and not forcing reads imo. it's based on gut feels to a degree
Me: Long winded explanation of why I think wolf visor would have forced a read on Insomnia and therefore is a town read which nobody really reads all the way through
Dya: visor v, not forcing it, cant explain more
One day I'll learn to be succinct and concise and will ascend to a new werewolf form
To both of you, what are your thoughts, then, in regard to his vote on me, and perhaps my vote on him.
I don't see his position on me as all that believable, but I am open to opinions there.
And Sunbae, I actually prefer the long winded explanations, because I have less of a "wait, what?" reaction upon seeing them.
It at least provides more to dissect, which is appreciated.
Ephemeral
05-22-2022, 19:37
sup
Mischief
05-22-2022, 19:39
fwiw I think you're expecting a lot out of visor, mischief. In the last game we played together, i didnt really recall your exact play and it was hard to use meta on you as a result. don't you think it could be the same for visor here? why have expectations about how you specifically play when you had a long hiatus?
That is true, I was gone for quite a while, so perhaps I am being a bit unfair in that respect.
I don't retain meta enormously well either, so I'm fairly certain I had something of a reset upon returning.
I'll unvote for now and mull it over.
unvote: Visor
Ephemeral
05-22-2022, 19:39
Official Tally as of #135
2 Mischief (Totally not Taffy, Visor)
1 Lantana (EnderWiggin)
1 Raskolnikov (Lantana)
1 Totally not Taffy (Raskolnikov)
1 Visor (Mischief)
Not Voting: dyachei, Ephemeral, insomnia, Sunbae
Day 1 ends in thunderously calm
someone's up to mischief
~:smoking:
Mischief
05-22-2022, 19:43
sup
Sup?
Should be interesting to see what you're like in a non-mash setting.
Ephemeral
05-22-2022, 19:49
Sup?
Should be interesting to see what you're like in a non-mash setting.
just as devilishly handsome, I assure you
To both of you, what are your thoughts, then, in regard to his vote on me, and perhaps my vote on him.
I don't see his position on me as all that believable, but I am open to opinions there.
And Sunbae, I actually prefer the long winded explanations, because I have less of a "wait, what?" reaction upon seeing them.
It at least provides more to dissect, which is appreciated.
I think a lot of times we all think others have better meta on us than they really do. Time between games, dozens and dozens of other players to remember, etc all vying for the same space and we can't remember it all. I guess what I'm saying is, I think reads of "villager them would know this is my villa range" should be used few and far between and reserved to people that have consistently gotten you correct against the grain and have shown an understanding of exactly why they were correct.
For instance, if Visor voted me on day 1 because I seemed aloof or scatterbrained, I would panic about it. He's the person that I think reads me the best out of anyone on any site I've ever played on because he genuinely understands my process, ideas, and what I aim to accomplish. And he's done it over years, in really hard spots to be right on (he villa read me after I counterclaimed angel on the angel and got them chopped ffs). That's not to say Visor voting me day 1 in general would panic me (you feel things out in werewolf and its cool) but just with that specific reasoning due to meta. Pretty much nobody else would garner that reaction from me.
As for your vote on him, I understand your pov. You thought it was weird, that he should know better, and voted. I just currently don't think it's correct (I mean maybe it is, but I just don't think the reasoning was right even if so? if that makes sense).
That is true, I was gone for quite a while, so perhaps I am being a bit unfair in that respect.
I don't retain meta enormously well either, so I'm fairly certain I had something of a reset upon returning.
I'll unvote for now and mull it over.
unvote: Visor
i mean vote him if you want to, but I just thought your reasoning was a bit much
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 20:15
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I have been asked for cat pics and I shall deliver after all.
Aw
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My cat Cersei.
:smitten: Your cats are gorgeous!
And I see I was right to stay up for SoD or I would've missed out on all the fun. Will be back soon with reads.
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 20:28
When I read this initially, I assumed there was no real reasoning behind this, being so early.
Now that there are more posts, is this a read you actually have at this point, and if so why?
What is your overall experience with Ender?
It was a joke in reference to the bet I lost to Roskalnikov (where I bet Ender was town and he wasn't):
I can get taffy in here if you want. He owes me a game because of Ender's openwolfing (:yes:) in MU qualifier lmao.
Ender is the only person here that I actually know as in have played a few games with (on Giantitp). I was always going to make that joke tbh, I like to come up with a first post before I get randed (and the reference to the "Tallest Man, Broadest Shoulders" song was always going to be the follow-up).
I'm going to re-read the game and I'll have reads after, they might be a wall.
reasons?
No big case or anything. Just feels/vibes based on our last game and my reads in this one.
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 20:48
Awesome!
What sites have you played on?
A long, long time ago, when Goblins (https://www.goblinscomic.org/) still had a forum with a gaming subforum, we played serial killer games there. More recently I've started playing proper WW on Giantitp (https://forums.giantitp.com/forumdisplay.php?50-Structured-Games). I have an MU account but I've not actually played there yet.
You?
Have you heard of a player called Ladd?
:stare:
Vote: EnderWiggin
So, this exchange led me astray: I left with the wrong impression that Visor is Ladd?s alt and that?s why they weren?t amused. From there I figured that if Lantana were a wolf, they wouldn?t do something that could annoy the one player in the thread at that time who was obviously not there for funposting. But then I saw that Ladd was in the Sorceror game that Visor hosted recently and that this towny feeling I got was entirely based on the wrong premise.
On top of that, while it is good to want to know where a new player has played before so you can compare their playstyle, not reciprocating is nagl. I don?t want to call this scummy yet but it?s also not pro-town.
Ladd's presence indicates my wolfiness, got it.
Do you think Visor was being serious and is being serious or not serious more likely to indicate alignment one way or another?
My response is "Vague wave, shrug, glance."
Also yeah, Org is relatively laid back compared to other places.
This was an excellent question to try to get into the mindset of the other player and a typical Ender answer (and btw I?d like to take this opportunity to express how much I appreciate that you left the cryptic bastard persona at home when you were representing us in champs :heart:)
I?d prefer not to vote Lantana today tbh, despite some misgivings. Mostly so I get a chance to recover properly from my mistake and get to a read that's fair.
Ender may have represented you well in champs and won and been widely regarded as awesome by all of us watching, but I would like you to know that between the two of us only one of us was part of a champs sweep. So ha! Take that.
i was on the wrong side of the sweep :clown: hello darkness my old friend <3 ender
Mischief
05-22-2022, 20:59
I think a lot of times we all think others have better meta on us than they really do. Time between games, dozens and dozens of other players to remember, etc all vying for the same space and we can't remember it all. I guess what I'm saying is, I think reads of "villager them would know this is my villa range" should be used few and far between and reserved to people that have consistently gotten you correct against the grain and have shown an understanding of exactly why they were correct.
For instance, if Visor voted me on day 1 because I seemed aloof or scatterbrained, I would panic about it. He's the person that I think reads me the best out of anyone on any site I've ever played on because he genuinely understands my process, ideas, and what I aim to accomplish. And he's done it over years, in really hard spots to be right on (he villa read me after I counterclaimed angel on the angel and got them chopped ffs). That's not to say Visor voting me day 1 in general would panic me (you feel things out in werewolf and its cool) but just with that specific reasoning due to meta. Pretty much nobody else would garner that reaction from me.
As for your vote on him, I understand your pov. You thought it was weird, that he should know better, and voted. I just currently don't think it's correct (I mean maybe it is, but I just don't think the reasoning was right even if so? if that makes sense).
That's reasonable.
From what I remember in past games, back when I was a lot more easily ML'd, Visor would use things that at least at the time weren't AI as a wolf to push a ML on me, so the thought that he might be doing something similar here immediately struck me.
That said, it would be quite understandable to forget my writing and play style after over a year of time away from mafia, so what would in a context where I never left Mafia perhaps be a valid case (assuming he and I continued playing in the same games during that time), I can see not being the case here.
That said, both you and now Dya are in my villa reads, and I trust both of your judgements on Visor than I do my own, and concede the unreasonableness of my position, so I will focus elsewhere.
Better to detach from that before I get into a deathtunnel that wreaks havoc on the outcome of the game.
If you, Dya, and Visor are all villagers, this game should be pretty manageable.
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 21:13
Ok having all of my 's changed into ?s and not getting to edit sucks.
I was hungry.
I got Raising Cane's, then a friend talked my ear off for hours about Star Wars and 18th century politics.
Though what you said is true, so I'm not going to contest it.
At first I liked this response and then paranoia kicked in and said "but what if it's a really good wolf who knows how to respond to early sussing in a way that seems sincere?". I come to the conclusion that playing with people I don't know is hard.
I was planning on heading out, but I figured I'd post here first, so people know that I haven't forgotten about this game altogether, being my first game on this site.
A little assurance that I won't be 0-poster.
Yes, this makes perfect sense. What made me vote for you was that coming in just to show presence when you know you're going to leave right after and without actually interacting gives the impression that you feel under pressure to show up. Being new to the site would do that (hello!).
Can I just Unvote: Mischief or do I need to immediately vote someone else?
insomnia
05-22-2022, 21:14
i have some time now and also have to make a sleeping vote , sad times i have no clue who to go for
sunbae can u explain the dya read? i thought them hard starting with their second post being visor village was a touch weird
lantana i remember reading your post and idk what you're asking me. i also don't know if they were shading me or wat
i kinda wanna say mischief / sunbae / visor i wouldn't yeet, kinda sucky dya and eph couldn't post more when i had time to watch thread (btw for people who don't know im euro and im only here for a few mins as well)
insomnia
05-22-2022, 21:18
altho dya saying "vote him if u want, just ur reasons were wrong" or smth of the sort funnily seems like a good look
That's reasonable.
From what I remember in past games, back when I was a lot more easily ML'd, Visor would use things that at least at the time weren't AI as a wolf to push a ML on me, so the thought that he might be doing something similar here immediately struck me.
That said, it would be quite understandable to forget my writing and play style after over a year of time away from mafia, so what would in a context where I never left Mafia perhaps be a valid case (assuming he and I continued playing in the same games during that time), I can see not being the case here.
That said, both you and now Dya are in my villa reads, and I trust both of your judgements on Visor than I do my own, and concede the unreasonableness of my position, so I will focus elsewhere.
Better to detach from that before I get into a deathtunnel that wreaks havoc on the outcome of the game.
If you, Dya, and Visor are all villagers, this game should be pretty manageable.
I want to be very clear here. I am not saying visor lock v never rescind sponge this read when I die. I am saying that I feel like visor has been fine, I have reasons to villa read there currently, and I don't think your reasons for voting there are quite right. The read I do think I want sponged if I die is "visor/insomnia are not w/w" because I think that entire interaction as w/w theater leads to * something * instead of the big shrug move on fest no reads either way that it was.
i have some time now and also have to make a sleeping vote , sad times i have no clue who to go for
sunbae can u explain the dya read? i thought them hard starting with their second post being visor village was a touch weird
lantana i remember reading your post and idk what you're asking me. i also don't know if they were shading me or wat
i kinda wanna say mischief / sunbae / visor i wouldn't yeet, kinda sucky dya and eph couldn't post more when i had time to watch thread (btw for people who don't know im euro and im only here for a few mins as well)
I thought dya came in with villagery fire instead of going through the early wolf game checklist. It was a gut read in the moment, don't know how much I should listen to it really. Just felt like "oh yeah, thats the stuff" and rolled with it.
Mischief
05-22-2022, 21:33
Where I'm at with reads:
Dya, Sunbae and Visor:
I'm going to lump all three together because all three are connected in this thought process.
Sunbae I thought was independently villagery, and to an extent Dya as well.
There are only two scum, so all three can't be scum.
If all three are capable of reading each other well, and all arrive at similar conclusions as each other (Visor hasn't addressed Dya yet, but still), it's more probable that they are villagers in this instance, than it is that two of them are scum and are fooling the people in the thread who are most likely to have a correct read on them.
I think that Dya's points regarding Vsor/myself are more likely to come from a village perspective.
So despite heavily distrusting Visor push on me, I hesitantly conclude that Visor is more likely a villager.
Ender: null
Insomnia: Needs to post more
Lantana: light v read, mostly tone, will evolve as substance is provided one way or another.
Rask: null
Taffy: null
Ephemeral: not enough posts/content to have an opinion there. (what little there is seems pretty up beat and comfortable, which may be promising, but extremely inconclusive)
My D1 POE is currently largely Ender, Rask, and Taffy, I think Taffy is an outlier in this group.
Maybe Insomnia, but with as much as they are D1 wagoned, and with as little there is to dissect from them, I'm not likely voting here today, unless they show up at EOD and provide something worth wagoning.
Would like to see more from Taffy, Rask, Ender, as well as Insomnia and Ephemeral.
If Rask is scum I could potentially see Ender as the partner there, and vice versa.
It's definitely a bit of a different feel on this site.
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 21:34
Why is your question to me not really phrased as a question but more a demand for information? Am I wrong in thinking there isn?t some negative weight to the demand?
Nya if I misread!
I didn?t really have a particular reason for Raskolnikov nor was it to generate discussion either! Though it?s always nice when life delivers lemons as is the case right now :3
Yes Sunbae, its this one post.
Because insomnia reasoning seems valid to me, like lanfantana had been around and had stuff to comment on, but instead decided to park on me out of an rvs vote when we have zero history. Weird.
insomnia
05-22-2022, 21:35
Prolly gonna reread it but one wolf in Lantana/taffy.
Wondering if Visor being defensive and willing to articulate read so early is AI or a product of the 24h lenght phase
@Ender: taffy because I am not sure his villa read on you was a joke and his ISO looks filled with posts made to post Id say.
Lantana because of the focus on visor (weird meta read from katze too lol. Visor liked it, I really didnt: i think he isnt ez to read and if you ask someone about him, you arent likely to come and sheep/use it this way). Also there is a post looking blatantly like a shade on insomnia.
Finally their early banter looked like ww to me. Dunno, it was straight up at the start, but they arent probbing or trying to figure each other out.
Now back to F1
gave rask a re-read #forsunbae. i take issue mostly with the things in red.
the first visor thing seems like a disconnected thought that wouldn't really make it in the same post where he's calling people out (this is a bit nitpicky)
the second thing he drops in "they shaded insomnia" without any explanation for why that should be wolfy. i see no gears spinning that got rask to believe it was from a wolf agenda or to attempt to distinguish between wolf / town motivation. just said lantana did it and it's supposed to be wolfy. also in the same line from the start he frames it as lantana being wolfy for focusing on visor, then he adds the most important part about why that should be wolfy (the katze meta) like it would be a plus to the visor thing. it just doesn't seem..genuine tho im sure there's a better word
normally i'd place this on the backburner and ponder upon but i really have to go and place a vote
Vote : Raskolnikov
Mischief
05-22-2022, 21:36
I want to be very clear here. I am not saying visor lock v never rescind sponge this read when I die. I am saying that I feel like visor has been fine, I have reasons to villa read there currently, and I don't think your reasons for voting there are quite right. The read I do think I want sponged if I die is "visor/insomnia are not w/w" because I think that entire interaction as w/w theater leads to * something * instead of the big shrug move on fest no reads either way that it was.
I thought dya came in with villagery fire instead of going through the early wolf game checklist. It was a gut read in the moment, don't know how much I should listen to it really. Just felt like "oh yeah, thats the stuff" and rolled with it.
I know, there's no reason to lock V Visor in almost any instance this early in the game.
Still, it's probably better for now to avoid getting into a tunnel on his slot, and if he is a villager, the game is better off having him alive.
Still, for the time being I feel comfortable accepting that I may have been wrong on my assessment and solving outside of that.
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 21:37
Mischief: why am I POE lol?
insomnia
05-22-2022, 21:37
Yes Sunbae, its this one post.
Because insomnia reasoning seems valid to me, like lanfantana had been around and had stuff to comment on, but instead decided to park on me out of an rvs vote when we have zero history. Weird.
i'll be honest i did call this out too, it's def omega weird ~:handball:
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 21:38
gave rask a re-read #forsunbae. i take issue mostly with the things in red.
the first visor thing seems like a disconnected thought that wouldn't really make it in the same post where he's calling people out (this is a bit nitpicky)
the second thing he drops in "they shaded insomnia" without any explanation for why that should be wolfy. i see no gears spinning that got rask to believe it was from a wolf agenda or to attempt to distinguish between wolf / town motivation. just said lantana did it and it's supposed to be wolfy. also in the same line from the start he frames it as lantana being wolfy for focusing on visor, then he adds the most important part about why that should be wolfy (the katze meta) like it would be a plus to the visor thing. it just doesn't seem..genuine tho im sure there's a better word
normally i'd place this on the backburner and ponder upon but i really have to go and place a vote
Vote : Raskolnikov
Read the post above this one?
Mischief
05-22-2022, 21:45
Ok having all of my 's changed into ?s and not getting to edit sucks.
At first I liked this response and then paranoia kicked in and said "but what if it's a really good wolf who knows how to respond to early sussing in a way that seems sincere?". I come to the conclusion that playing with people I don't know is hard.
Yes, this makes perfect sense. What made me vote for you was that coming in just to show presence when you know you're going to leave right after and without actually interacting gives the impression that you feel under pressure to show up. Being new to the site would do that (hello!).
Can I just Unvote: Mischief or do I need to immediately vote someone else?
I could understand why someone would be paranoid of that, so I didn't think it was suspicious to vote there.
I never mind all that much votes that seem to come from an understandable perspective since I assume they will get more of a feel for things as time progresses.
Also, hi
Mischief
05-22-2022, 21:48
Mischief: why am I POE lol?
because it's process of elimination.
If Sunbae/Dya/Visor are out, and I have a light V read on Lantana pushing them out of it, that's 4 people.
I don't have a bad feeling about Insomnia thus far, but want to see more from them (and they are active rn), so I'm giving that slot some time.
Ephemeral hasn't posted enough to have much of an opinion either way, but I don't want to vote there rn at least (subject to change depending on whether they are active around EOD and what I see from them)
So that leaves a relatively narrow pool of people and you are in it.
It's literally just process of elimination, and not a huge group of people.
insomnia probably off to a good start. I think his suspicion of my entrance (and sunbae's read on it) is probably more likely to come from him as a villager
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 21:54
I like my wagon tbh.
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 21:55
It is baseless, but certainly worth it down the road.
Official Tally as of #184
2 Raskolnikov (Lantana, Sunbae)
1 Lantana (EnderWiggin)
1 Mischief (Visor)
1 Totally not Taffy (Raskolnikov)
Not Voting: dyachei, Ephemeral, insomnia, Mischief, Totally not Taffy
Day 1 ends in thunderously calm
Unvoting is fine, just make sure I can see it easily (so unvote: x or vote: unvote, something like that since i ctrl+f "vote:").
PM me or message me on discord if there are any errors.
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:01
vote: Visor
Reason: I don't believe that this is a real read from you.
We have played over the course of 6 years, during that time you have seen a plethora of games from me from both sides, on both sides.
The stiff writing style comment might resonate with someone entirely unfamiliar with me, since I have literally received comments players who didn't know me about it in the last two full games I have played (on MU, and can link if needed. One wolf game, and one as village PR).
Additionally, it is something people have commented on when unfamiliar at other points in the past.
It is something that is not alignment indicative at all, and someone who has played with me not just a few quite quite a few times, would know this well.
Someone with that much experience would also be well aware of the fact I've never been much of an interrogative player, but rather than observational player, with questions forming more sparsely when I have more to work with.
This is a consistent enough fact about me that it could even be used to describe my social style as a whole. (which is probably not great, but c'est la viei)
Lastly, I am less committal on reads than I am as wolf, by a pretty fair margin, especially with such minimal information as is present in a lower volume game.
Conclusion: you are voting me for things that are either not alignment indicative or are in my villa range, and while I would be perfectly fine with a vote for me based on a legitimate case or grievance, I see no legitimacy in this, thus you are a wolf.
That is true, I was gone for quite a while, so perhaps I am being a bit unfair in that respect.
I don't retain meta enormously well either, so I'm fairly certain I had something of a reset upon returning.
I'll unvote for now and mull it over.
unvote: Visor
I don't like this unvote: the strenght and articulation of the read don't go well with the quick turnaround when called out about it. Also the bold sentence doesn't come from the same brain who wrote the first post lol.
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:02
vote: Mischief
Ephemeral
05-22-2022, 22:04
just quickly went through stuff, found sunbae lightly villagery
ditto his sentiment about dya's entrance feeling good
not particularly enamoured with visors posts for reasons i can't find a way to articulate, but both dya and sunbae liking him is good enough for me to give him a pass till I can actually get into the headspace to dive into stuff properly
lantana has been... marginally ok
the way mischief handled his visor seems alright, #168 and the first paragraph of #173 being what i mainly refer to here, overall feel fine about the slot atm
had a good kneejerk reaction to insomnia, not conclusive by any means but would not kill d1
ender/taffy/rask is the group i feel the most meh about out of the bunch and am probably fine with voting in today
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:10
Taffy still a wolf. Lanfantana would like to come back to chat (fun fact brought by Raskol - chat is the French word for cat)
lol Sunbae (sorry I can't articulate this read better tbh. but this is my guenine reaction to your vote when I return and explain where I am about Lanfantana -since you asked - and you vote me)
Dya null
visor null
Ender light villa (for tiny reasons, but I can generally accuratly read him scum when he is, and I am not pinged yet so there is that)
Ephe prolly villa (this is a bad activity read)
insomnia prolly not ww with lanfantana.
Ephemeral
05-22-2022, 22:12
now I see #166 and #169 and it gives me a bit of pause on taffy, purely on vibes I like these a little bit
Ephemeral
05-22-2022, 22:13
Taffy still a wolf. Lanfantana would like to come back to chat (fun fact brought by Raskol - chat is the French word for cat)
lol Sunbae (sorry I can't articulate this read better tbh. but this is my guenine reaction to your vote when I return and explain where I am about Lanfantana -since you asked - and you vote me)
Dya null
visor null
Ender light villa (for tiny reasons, but I can generally accuratly read him scum when he is, and I am not pinged yet so there is that)
Ephe prolly villa (this is a bad activity read)
insomnia prolly not ww with lanfantana.
i am confusion
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:13
just quickly went through stuff, found sunbae lightly villagery
ditto his sentiment about dya's entrance feeling good
not particularly enamoured with visors posts for reasons i can't find a way to articulate, but both dya and sunbae liking him is good enough for me to give him a pass till I can actually get into the headspace to dive into stuff properly
lantana has been... marginally ok
the way mischief handled his visor seems alright, #168 and the first paragraph of #173 being what i mainly refer to here, overall feel fine about the slot atm
had a good kneejerk reaction to insomnia, not conclusive by any means but would not kill d1
ender/taffy/rask is the group i feel the most meh about out of the bunch and am probably fine with voting in today
meh :bow:
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:14
i am confusion
you 0 post as a wolf?
Ephemeral
05-22-2022, 22:15
you 0 post as a wolf?
fairly certain i don't have any kind of activity tells that lean either way
so where'd you get that from?
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:16
but y, it's a bad read lol (I guess irl happens)
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 22:17
So Visor did a sudden mood switch that pinged me I hope I can explain it properly (all quotes spoilered for length). At the start they don?t interact with the off-topic posting at all and seem intent to steer the conversation towards proper mafia play instead of shitposting:
Hello. :curtain:
who are you on mu?
:stare:
Vote: EnderWiggin
taffy seems like a villager yolo
This unsollicited read creeped me out btw, I really don?t think anyone should be able to tell the difference between a yolo villager or someone really excited to have randed wolf (and posting empty content). It felt like either a pocketing attempt or bait, and since it was 3am at that point I didn?t feel like figuring out which. I also don?t like how they later explained it both as a lazy throwaway read and as an attempt to get me posting more on-topic.
Re taffy, I just did it because newer player I think and posted a bunch at the start, small stuff but figured if villa they might bounce off it. They went to bed apparently so I guess not. And they didn't really talk about the game so I guess no read there is fairer. Or rather I want to see how they approach solving overnight.
it was just a lazy early read because they were posting a bunch and didnt seem concerned about posting game content
(but i think its probably a silly read, i kinda just made it to try and spark something in the game)
Then later Sunbae shows up (my read on Sunbae btw is ?probably town, because they described their wolf play as nefarious and slimy and none of their posts feel that way?). Sunbae explicitly says to Insomnia that they?re down to get the ball rolling on actual play, then starts a conversation about DnD with Ender, which Visor decides to hijack (and note that they still ignore Ender completely)
I have managed to make the cancelling more like 10-15% so I'm actually pretty happy. But also kinda sad that it did get cancelled.
10-15% is incredible really. Super jealous of your squad being able to do that. We had a stretch where we went like two months without a cancellation and then it just fell apart where we'd go two weeks cancelled, a half session cause someone said they just weren't feeling it, a cancelled session, a full session, then repeat for a few months until we kinda just ... stopped.
Put it this way: we're currently on Hiatus for the last 5 months and if we don't finish by October it will be 4 years of playing curse of strahd lol
Sounds like you found the true curse of strahd
Do you know how hard I laughed when the FFB crew started talking about doing curse of strahd? im like nah, i think ive had enough of that for a lifetime lol
We'll see if they can keep it together or if schedules/desire to play breaks it up. Little worried it's just gonna collapse after 1-2 sessions.
(Like the 'oh that was fun we should do this again sometime' that turns into never)
I hope it ends up being something they stick with and have fun with. D&D is such a good time if you can keep it going (plus I'd love to play later in the year when my schedule opens up and they are on a different module)
I might even throw my DM hat into the ring later to run one of the MTG modules (or even a more custom one that I designed years ago when we thought we'd be playing our games every week)
Custom sunbae module eh?
The gang does persona 5 :p
Actually no! I did a custom module for MTG Amonkhet. They have a module for it themselves but I ended up taking it off into a very different direction using their stuff as a baseline.
So... is Visor just socially awkward around new people and Sunbae the only one here they feel comfortable talking to? Are the rest of us not good enough for chit-chat? Did Ender ask to take over the conversation in wolf chat because he?s scared Sunbae will find him out?
(there were posts about actual game-related stuff inbetween the conversation that I didn?t copy, I wanted to show the difference between their posting before and after)
I also thought their response to Lantana?s vote was overly defensive. For someone who professes to be aware of how they are perceived and to purposely work towards a certain perception, that seems like an odd choice.
I am aware of everything I post? I don't make idle posts in ww games, even posts that seem lazy and noncontributive are done with an eye towards how I think I will be perceived, how I want to be perceived and how I need to be perceived.
Any villager worth their salt should be consider their posts.
Fascinating that katze gave meta on me, not sure they've really seen me as a wolf . Are you a foler?
I don't see an issue with being diplomatic in 24 hours phases either, I didn't want to get into a brawl with insomnia over a misunderstanding of a post, especially because in a few hours I'll be afk till near EOD.
Whether his read on me was something he actually believed or something he thought he could push until I closed it down is something I remain uncertain of
(That all said, lol using someone else's meta interpretation to read me instead of just reading my posts)
Er to be clear on this: I'm not saying I'm some sort of ww mastermind, just that yes I am self aware and I don't think being self aware is wolfy
And then there were some very weird mindmelds that gave me pause.
Not sure what to think of mischief taking three posts to check out lol, but I'll see what happens overnight
This is echoing my own reasoning for my initial vote.
Oh I think what they meant re simpsoning was mischief showing up and then leaving immediately like the gif
Yes this is exactly what I meant, so if you?re town it?s appreciated.
So from the posters so far, that's where I'm leaning, but I'm loathe to make a wolf read with 3 zero posters so far. I will be voting one of them if we have 2 or more at EOD, fwiw
I have never met anyone else before who felt the same way I do about voting people who aren?t present D1. It?s something that?s been discussed repeatedly on Giantitp and definitely something Ender knows.
Nah Taffy has me pocketed.
Oh dear.
Tl,dr: I?m having a tinfoil w/w read on Visor and Ender and I?m going to hate being wrong.
Vote: Visor
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:22
fairly certain i don't have any kind of activity tells that lean either way
so where'd you get that from?
dunno tbh. I read games and you don't seem to be that kind of person to potato as a wolf.
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:23
Beside, I specifically said it was a bad read, so don't make it sound like it is a big thing :bow:
Ephemeral
05-22-2022, 22:23
but y, it's a bad read lol (I guess irl happens)
pretty much the bolded yes
I take issue with it entirely because I can't think of anything historically that would prompt someone to read me in that direction so it looks like the read is tacked on there just because, as opposed to it being a real read you'd form on any reasonable basis
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:28
taffy: "my read on Sunbae btw is ?probably town, because they described their wolf play as nefarious and slimy and none of their posts feel that way?"
I was reading your post and found this lol. Are you serious?
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:33
taffy, I think Visor is in villa range. Yes he can be socailly awkward while playing mafia (sorry bronana :curtain:) and yeeeting low posters is fairly common in this galaxy so linking them with Ender because of it is meh I think.
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:34
Visor and ENder in wc rn:
https://i.gifer.com/XeHT.gif
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 22:39
taffy: "my read on Sunbae btw is ?probably town, because they described their wolf play as nefarious and slimy and none of their posts feel that way?"
I was reading your post and found this lol. Are you serious?
It might be weirdly phrased, but Sunbae's posts don't feel like they're trying to control the thread, if that's better. Though I have noticed that they're defending Visor when others voted there, but then, they might just be right and I could be wrong.
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:41
pretty much the bolded yes
I take issue with it entirely because I can't think of anything historically that would prompt someone to read me in that direction so it looks like the read is tacked on there just because, as opposed to it being a real read you'd form on any reasonable basis
I can totally form reads on unreasonable basis, and it's not AI. (because out of the blue it's a villa thing, and me being very self-aware, I can totally do these as a wolf too so yeah, deal with that. Or rather don't, use other stuff to read me :p)
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:44
taffy, do you have other(s) wolf read(s)?
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 22:46
taffy, I think Visor is in villa range. Yes he can be socailly awkward while playing mafia (sorry bronana :curtain:) and yeeeting low posters is fairly common in this galaxy so linking them with Ender because of it is meh I think.
I just wanted to express a deep appreciation for reading my post. Correct me if I'm wrong, but "villa range" sounds like "yeah they could post this way while villager" not "they wouldn't post this way when wolf".
I feel like we've seen very little from anyone that could not happily live in their wolf/town overlap, but as I said I don't know most of you.
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 22:48
taffy, do you have other(s) wolf read(s)?
Not yet, but I have two hours ~;)
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:49
you know when people voting you have no reasons to do it and there are at least 3 other players who are just sheeping them saying "meh", "POE", etc...
Who are the wolves?
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:51
POE talks D1 are bad because they generally come from wolves struggling to fake cases or escape TMI, so I guess I will reread this slot (is it insomnia or Mischief?)
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:53
Not yet, but I have two hours ~;)
wolfy "but I have". Why do you feel this way?
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:54
wolfy "but I have". Why do you feel this way?
nvm, I misread you taffy :wowee:
Ephemeral
05-22-2022, 22:55
ya most likely will be asleep by eod so I'm gonna have to pick a lane in a bit
Visor if you're around can you gimme something on rask here? iirc you had some slam dunk reads on him before
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 22:55
(not to say I am convinced by your case or your ISO tbh, but there are too many people gearing up for my ML for me not to take a closer look lol)
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 22:56
you know when people voting you have no reasons to do it and there are at least 3 other players who are just sheeping them saying "meh", "POE", etc...
Who are the wolves?
Only two people are voting you atm.
Official Tally as of #184
2 Raskolnikov (Lantana, Sunbae)
1 Lantana (EnderWiggin)
1 Mischief (Visor)
1 Totally not Taffy (Raskolnikov)
Not Voting: dyachei, Ephemeral, insomnia, Mischief, Totally not Taffy
Day 1 ends in thunderously calm
Unvoting is fine, just make sure I can see it easily (so unvote: x or vote: unvote, something like that since i ctrl+f "vote:").
PM me or message me on discord if there are any errors.
But if four people have done so over the course of the day, the wolf is the one that strikes you as the most opportunistic. Also these are not even proper wagons, one wolf can just decide who gets yeeted. Is this thread about to burst into activity in its final hour?
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 23:04
Only two people are voting you atm.
But if four people have done so over the course of the day, the wolf is the one that strikes you as the most opportunistic. Also these are not even proper wagons, one wolf can just decide who gets yeeted. Is this thread about to burst into activity in its final hour?
Yeah two yolo votes, but Mischief, insomnia and Ephemeral have expressed sus.
That's where I am coming from.
NGL, they all look opportunistic to me. Even Ephe, since he is making a big deal about something I typically posted as a not serious thing, and also assuming weird stuff (like villagers form reasonable reads lol when he should know better). He could be a pinged villager (ego reading is a thing really), but that could be agenda too. I want to see where he goes from there and what he thinks about other slots.
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 23:06
RN I am good with Mischief though (I checked he is the one having me in his POE despite being null... curiously low posters aren't null, they don't deserve a read and are basically out of the yeet pool, smh)
Official Tally as of #217
2 Mischief (Visor, Raskolnikov)
2 Raskolnikov (Lantana, Sunbae)
1 EnderWiggin (dyachei)
1 Lantana (EnderWiggin)
1 Visor (Totally not Taffy)
Not Voting: Ephemeral, insomnia, Mischief
Day 1 ends in thunderously calm
Mischief
05-22-2022, 23:08
I don't like this unvote: the strenght and articulation of the read don't go well with the quick turnaround when called out about it. Also the bold sentence doesn't come from the same brain who wrote the first post lol.
There is a lot of context behind all of that.
I have known Visor for years, so I had that reaction, but I was also reminded of the fact that with my extensive break (I left mafia completely and discord groups as well from late 2020 until early this year) may leave people I have known for quite a while with little memory of what my meta is.
That's a fair assessment that was made, and Dya mentioning it has some weight, since we just played a game, and I could see some truth in them saying they didn't remember my meta well going into that game, drawing a parallel between her position and Visor's.
I unvoted and mulled it over, and concluded over a bowl of tonkotsu ramen that I was probably playing unreasonable expectations upon Visor and thus was being unfair in my assessment.
My initial assessment of Visor would absolutely stand in such a case as Visor having a distinct idea of my play, but given the amount of time, I can't assume that he would remember it as well as I may have thought he would.
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 23:08
like if Mischief is a red, we should turbo Ephemeral because of this post
Where I'm at with reads:
Dya, Sunbae and Visor:
I'm going to lump all three together because all three are connected in this thought process.
Sunbae I thought was independently villagery, and to an extent Dya as well.
There are only two scum, so all three can't be scum.
If all three are capable of reading each other well, and all arrive at similar conclusions as each other (Visor hasn't addressed Dya yet, but still), it's more probable that they are villagers in this instance, than it is that two of them are scum and are fooling the people in the thread who are most likely to have a correct read on them.
I think that Dya's points regarding Vsor/myself are more likely to come from a village perspective.
So despite heavily distrusting Visor push on me, I hesitantly conclude that Visor is more likely a villager.
Ender: null
Insomnia: Needs to post more
Lantana: light v read, mostly tone, will evolve as substance is provided one way or another.
Rask: null
Taffy: null
Ephemeral: not enough posts/content to have an opinion there. (what little there is seems pretty up beat and comfortable, which may be promising, but extremely inconclusive)
My D1 POE is currently largely Ender, Rask, and Taffy, I think Taffy is an outlier in this group.
Maybe Insomnia, but with as much as they are D1 wagoned, and with as little there is to dissect from them, I'm not likely voting here today, unless they show up at EOD and provide something worth wagoning.
Would like to see more from Taffy, Rask, Ender, as well as Insomnia and Ephemeral.
If Rask is scum I could potentially see Ender as the partner there, and vice versa.
It's definitely a bit of a different feel on this site.
Mischief
05-22-2022, 23:13
POE talks D1 are bad because they generally come from wolves struggling to fake cases or escape TMI, so I guess I will reread this slot (is it insomnia or Mischief?)
I think it's rather absurd that you claim POE talks D1 are bad.
I know Dya, Sunbae, Visor, Insomnia, and to a lesser extent Ephemera.
Logically, I need to find wolves, and if I can't immediately figure out wolves, I'll figure out villagers, and from that pool of villagers, remove them from the pool of suspects, and find the wolves within that POE.
The fact you take issue with it sounds like you have a problem with D1 solving, which is your problem, not mine.
Vote: Raskolnikov
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 23:13
There is a lot of context behind all of that.
I have known Visor for years, so I had that reaction, but I was also reminded of the fact that with my extensive break (I left mafia completely and discord groups as well from late 2020 until early this year) may leave people I have known for quite a while with little memory of what my meta is.
That's a fair assessment that was made, and Dya mentioning it has some weight, since we just played a game, and I could see some truth in them saying they didn't remember my meta well going into that game, drawing a parallel between her position and Visor's.
I unvoted and mulled it over, and concluded over a bowl of tonkotsu ramen that I was probably playing unreasonable expectations upon Visor and thus was being unfair in my assessment.
My initial assessment of Visor would absolutely stand in such a case as Visor having a distinct idea of my play, but given the amount of time, I can't assume that he would remember it as well as I may have thought he would.
thanks for the context :)
I'd like to hear what Visorslash thinks about it I guess. (we are all different and I want to know if he believes you here)
rask seems a lot different than the game on TS where we were w/w
Ephemeral
05-22-2022, 23:14
Vote: EnderWiggins
Ephemeral
05-22-2022, 23:15
I think it's rather absurd that you claim POE talks D1 are bad.
I know Dya, Sunbae, Visor, Insomnia, and to a lesser extent Ephemera.
Logically, I need to find wolves, and if I can't immediately figure out wolves, I'll figure out villagers, and from that pool of villagers, remove them from the pool of suspects, and find the wolves within that POE.
The fact you take issue with it sounds like you have a problem with D1 solving, which is your problem, not mine.
Vote: Raskolnikov
Ephemera and me are different people btw
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 23:18
I think it's rather absurd that you claim POE talks D1 are bad.
I know Dya, Sunbae, Visor, Insomnia, and to a lesser extent Ephemera.
Logically, I need to find wolves, and if I can't immediately figure out wolves, I'll figure out villagers, and from that pool of villagers, remove them from the pool of suspects, and find the wolves within that POE.
The fact you take issue with it sounds like you have a problem with D1 solving, which is your problem, not mine.
Vote: Raskolnikov
I don't take issue specifically about it. I think your turnaround was weird and POE reads D1 is just a fairly common place to hide for wolves :shrug:
I don't have a problem with D1 solving.
I have no problem rn.
lol this post. jeebus
Mischief
05-22-2022, 23:19
Ephemera and me are different people btw
Oh, shit, I was confusing you two.
RIP
Mischief
05-22-2022, 23:21
I don't take issue specifically about it. I think your turnaround was weird and POE reads D1 is just a fairly common place to hide for wolves :shrug:
I don't have a problem with D1 solving.
I have no problem rn.
lol this post. jeebus
If you have no problem with D1 solving, then please, explain what the problem is with having a POE.
Mischief
05-22-2022, 23:21
rask seems a lot different than the game on TS where we were w/w
Different how?
Ephemeral
05-22-2022, 23:23
Oh, shit, I was confusing you two.
RIP
that's a classic:2thumbsup:
Different how?
he's more in tune with what's happening
Mischief
05-22-2022, 23:29
like if Mischief is a red, we should turbo Ephemeral because of this post
I don't understand this post at all.
Completely stepping away from the fact I'm not a wolf, let's pretend I am.
How is that post damning to Ephemeral?
This seems like you are grasping for straws.
They would be in my POE if I were scum.
Ephemeral
05-22-2022, 23:30
could be pure recency bias but I've liked most of taffy's recent posts so I think i'm good with saying i don't want to go there today
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 23:31
If you have no problem with D1 solving, then please, explain what the problem is with having a POE.
I think I made that clear in the post you quoted, but oh well.
what I find weird about your slot is the conjunction of the turnaround on Visor AND the lack of wolf reads.
POE is fine globally, but D1 is the moment of the game wolves don't have anything to go by and when it's harder for them to fake solve. (later they have flips and other people cases to chat about and build on)
So it's not uncommon to catch a wolf spamming TRs or nulls D1 and working by POE (because that's easier to fake lol).
also Dya meant I am polarised ;)
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 23:33
I'll read back, if I glossed over something last night, but what is your overall read on that slot? (beyond simply voting for pressure/wolfreading)
Guv, there's fur here.
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 23:33
(That was about Lantana not Mischief, clarifying as I see there's a bit of Mischief sus going on.)
I think I made that clear in the post you quoted, but oh well.
what I find weird about your slot is the conjunction of the turnaround on Visor AND the lack of wolf reads.
POE is fine globally, but D1 is the moment of the game wolves don't have anything to go by and when it's harder for them to fake solve. (later they have flips and other people cases to chat about and build on)
So it's not uncommon to catch a wolf spamming TRs or nulls D1 and working by POE (because that's easier to fake lol).
also Dya meant I am polarised ;)
idk about that. I dont remember your village game so much as I remember how out of sync you were (before the thing happened) in our wolf game.
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 23:35
I don't understand this post at all.
Completely stepping away from the fact I'm not a wolf, let's pretend I am.
How is that post damning to Ephemeral?
This seems like you are grasping for straws.
They would be in my POE if I were scum.
Because they should be null :shrug: (and not left out)
Admittedly, this is maybe a personal thing (for me or you :p)
Ephemeral
05-22-2022, 23:37
Because they should be null :shrug: (and not left out)
Admittedly, this is maybe a personal thing (for me or you :p)
looking back on it I do agree with this tbh, it's def bit too wordy for what should've been a null read lol
Mischief
05-22-2022, 23:37
I think I made that clear in the post you quoted, but oh well.
what I find weird about your slot is the conjunction of the turnaround on Visor AND the lack of wolf reads.
POE is fine globally, but D1 is the moment of the game wolves don't have anything to go by and when it's harder for them to fake solve. (later they have flips and other people cases to chat about and build on)
So it's not uncommon to catch a wolf spamming TRs or nulls D1 and working by POE (because that's easier to fake lol).
also Dya meant I am polarised ;)
Sure, I won't disagree that it's easier to fake, but process of elimination is a basic tool that is central to the game, regardless of what day in the game it is.
Further, if the implication is that on D1 there's not enough information for a POE, that would be strange, because a lack of information is perhaps all the more reason TO have form a POE.
If I have people that I'm able to V read, it makes sense that I exclude them.
If there's nothing enormously damning being posted by those I can't get a proper fix on, it makes sense to have them in my POE.
I don't have any issue with someone saying that POEs can be faked, or that they disagree with my conclusions (provided they add why they disagree), but I do take issue with the claim that POE being used on D1 is inherently wrong, bad, or dumb.
It's just a means to narrow down who my suspects are and figure out wolves, and whatever means I have to sort through however much or little content there is from each player and solve the game, I will use.
Lmao being called socially awkward :shame:
EnderWiggin
05-22-2022, 23:37
This was an excellent question to try to get into the mindset of the other player and a typical Ender answer (and btw I?d like to take this opportunity to express how much I appreciate that you left the cryptic bastard persona at home when you were representing us in champs :heart:)
I randed wolf with a bunch of unknowns. If I'd cryptic bastarded the place then I would've been D1'd =P
Ephemeral
05-22-2022, 23:38
Lmao being called socially awkward :shame:
haha neeerd
Totally not Taffy
05-22-2022, 23:39
Vote: EnderWiggins
Since both Raskolnikov (who you voted first) and Ender are in your PoE, can you explain to me what made you switch?
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 23:40
idk about that. I dont remember your village game so much as I remember how out of sync you were (before the thing happened) in our wolf game.
lol (I am tempted to put this in my sig post game <3)
(fwiw I was totally out of sync regarding the mech stuff, not the thread stuff. I hope. maybe. :hide:)
(fwiw, we swept :bow:)
Ephemeral
05-22-2022, 23:41
Since both Raskolnikov (who you voted first) and Ender are in your PoE, can you explain to me what made you switch?
in my eyes they're both pretty balanced on the scale, went on ender for the sake of having wagons p much
Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 23:41
Lmao being called socially awkward :shame:
:stare:
Dya making a strong v read on me is interesting, need more time to think on that
Mischiefs defence/omgus seems a little weird given I wasn't voting him based on meta (and truly don't remember much about playing non turbos with him). I understand he can be a bit formal/stilted in his writing in general but it was mostly a Poe thing if you look through my explanations on the reads
Not sure what to think of raskol or eph rn (raskol calling me socially awkward is mild v points lol)
Shrug on insomnia still
To expand on mischief: I go to lengths to explain how slight the read is (I think i use the word 2/3 times)
I guess a vote is a vote, but the strength of the counter reaction is a little bit of a shock
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