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EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 06:05
I also am sus of Vulgard actually.
Something something word salads.
That means I have too many susses and not enough bricks.
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 06:50
I had Sunbae gut wolfy early too but the complete lack of defense as people agreed with it make me ? it
Monty is probably town. Benneh is probably town. You're maybe town. The reason for you is weaker and boils down to "The read on me due to previous games where I was mislunched feels legit."
Why Monty?
Players Votes
Sunbae 2 (Vulgard, El Barto)
Zack 1 (EnderWiggin)
El Barto 1 (Hally)
Montmorency 1 (nebjiamn)
Hally 1 (Sunbae)
Raskolnikov 1 (Zack)
whatthistextdo
NGL I thought it was obvious it was a meme.
I meant everyone but my vote.
the sassy "wolfy pop in hehehehe" after the unexplained vote just rustled my jimmies after getting railroaded for no real reason as soon as the game started in the two turbos i played this week after not playing any mafia for months (one of which ended right before your push)
i just want to play more relaxed and not get my bum relentlessly roasted for not tryharding :sweatdrop:
you normally this trolly as town? it's reminding me of how you played the sorc game
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 07:10
Vote: Hally
Was your w read on me and Zack real or just a meme continuation?
Vote: Hally
if at first you don't succeed, try try again?
You're maybe town. The reason for you is weaker and boils down to "The read on me due to previous games where I was mislunched feels legit."
how is that alignment-indicative?
the sassy "wolfy pop in hehehehe" after the unexplained vote just rustled my jimmies after getting railroaded for no real reason as soon as the game started in the two turbos i played this week after not playing any mafia for months (one of which ended right before your push)
i just want to play more relaxed and not get my bum relentlessly roasted for not tryharding :sweatdrop:
you normally this trolly as town? it's reminding me of how you played the sorc game
mu turbos are really hit or miss lately with a big skew towards miss. had one incredible 13er recently but also a few that were just really tilting.
had one the other day where i called someone out for ramping up to a vote on me d1 after my first post, then they voted me like they were obviously going to do, then acted like the things i said weren't true, got me chopped, then had two other people blame me for it on day 2. All 3 of them were villagers and its like, the heck am i supposed to do then.
Was your w read on me and Zack real or just a meme continuation?
It's something I've been considering based on the way this game has played out + the two of your interactions with me but I still tried to frame in a fun way. Like the spongebob meme is me basically saying "the idea of them potentially being w/w is driven by their over the top manner of calling themselves w/w being how i think they'd actually do that if they randed w/w, how you'd kinda poke fun at me for not getting to be in the cool wolfchat with you, and how you'd defend each other if so" but instead of long words its spongebob pointing at your posts im talking about.
but its not like, THESE TWO ARE w/w EVERYONE ELSE OBVIOUS VILLAGERS its just a piece of the puzzle im looking at/exploring
if at first you don't succeed, try try again?
Hallys posts are poo poo imo
Vote: Hally
what is your issue with me?
you keep voting me and wolf reading me without even trying to engage me at all and i feel like i’ve made myself pretty findable here so idk why you keep going back to this
is there anything i can address or clear up at all?
mu turbos are really hit or miss lately with a big skew towards miss. had one incredible 13er recently but also a few that were just really tilting.
had one the other day where i called someone out for ramping up to a vote on me d1 after my first post, then they voted me like they were obviously going to do, then acted like the things i said weren't true, got me chopped, then had two other people blame me for it on day 2. All 3 of them were villagers and its like, the heck am i supposed to do then.
tbf the first one ended up actually being a pretty fun game regardless, but when it happened again I was pretty annoyed (especially since I was excited to finally rand joat and had not played any turbos in months before this despite constantly being asked to play). was voting a wolf both times too! :square:
I think the vulgard interaction was a softball to just look like they were trying to figure out vulgards alignment and backed off as soon as that checkbox was checked
i think their entire take on me - from initial push, to holding firm in their read on me for things they were calling others villagers for, to backing off because "im calling strong players wolfy" while also hedging on it like "or maybe its some 500iq strategy to get the thread to think he's wolfy, push strong villagers, and get us all to think he's villagery because a wolf wouldnt do that!" - just isn't someone who is wondering if good friend sunbae randed wolf or not and is instead someone that wants to just ride the momentum on me.
i think their posts are also projecting wolfy mindframes that seep into post when wolfing (either because it's what they are doing or because they think it's villagery to be saying that even when its not)
what is your issue with me?
you keep voting me and wolf reading me without even trying to engage me at all and i feel like i’ve made myself pretty findable here so idk why you keep going back to this
is there anything i can address or clear up at all?
i dont have an issue with you?
i just am playing werewoofs and dont think you're a villager so far
re: the benneh/me thing I don't quite get your fixation on it, wasn't it just a few jokes from the first hour or so of the game? you even made a spongebob meme about iirc
Hallys posts are poo poo imo
what type on the bristol stool chart? :curtain:
is there something specific you think's being overlooked?
tbf the first one ended up actually being a pretty fun game regardless, but when it happened again I was pretty annoyed (especially since I was excited to finally rand joat and had not played any turbos in months before this despite constantly being asked to play). was voting a wolf both times too! :square:
sometimes it can feel a bit cliquey when its a bunch of people that play with each other all the time and you're coming in once in a blue moon, so when you get pushed a lot you have this lingering thought like "would this be happening if i was part of the normal turbo crew", at least thats what happens to me sometimes. so i totally get it
re: the benneh/me thing I don't quite get your fixation on it, wasn't it just a few jokes from the first hour or so of the game? you even made a spongebob meme about iirc
what type on the bristol stool chart? :curtain:
is there something specific you think's being overlooked?
I uh,
ok so like when I village i kinda do this sometimes where i have like 40 different threads going on in my mind and they are all like progressions from point a to point b and if thats true then point c but it could also be point d and if those are accurate then e/f/g could be true blah blah blah. And the only thing that makes it to the thread are points A/E/H and it looks like a bunch of jumbled nonsense that people don't understand and just look at me like "tf?"
its not *every time* or anything (sometimes im better at organizing than other times) but i think this game is probably really, really far gone on that thing and thats on me
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 07:45
sometimes it can feel a bit cliquey when its a bunch of people that play with each other all the time and you're coming in once in a blue moon, so when you get pushed a lot you have this lingering thought like "would this be happening if i was part of the normal turbo crew", at least thats what happens to me sometimes. so i totally get it
I mentioned to Zack earlier that I think ppl have unreal expectations of KGPs when they play in a format they rarely/seldomly play in that they expect you to match the activity level they have projected onto you which manifested itself from how excited they are to be playing with you, and if/when you don’t match that level of activity/hype, it’s cause you probably randed wolf and aren’t just chilling as a villager
my best guess
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 07:49
Why Monty?
Idk guv felt towny.
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 07:50
I think the vulgard interaction was a softball to just look like they were trying to figure out vulgards alignment and backed off as soon as that checkbox was checked
i think their entire take on me - from initial push, to holding firm in their read on me for things they were calling others villagers for, to backing off because "im calling strong players wolfy" while also hedging on it like "or maybe its some 500iq strategy to get the thread to think he's wolfy, push strong villagers, and get us all to think he's villagery because a wolf wouldnt do that!" - just isn't someone who is wondering if good friend sunbae randed wolf or not and is instead someone that wants to just ride the momentum on me.
i think their posts are also projecting wolfy mindframes that seep into post when wolfing (either because it's what they are doing or because they think it's villagery to be saying that even when its not)
This is about hally right
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 07:50
the sassy "wolfy pop in hehehehe" after the unexplained vote just rustled my jimmies after getting railroaded for no real reason as soon as the game started in the two turbos i played this week after not playing any mafia for months (one of which ended right before your push)
i just want to play more relaxed and not get my bum relentlessly roasted for not tryharding :sweatdrop:
you normally this trolly as town? it's reminding me of how you played the sorc game
That's fair.
I direct you to any of the other town games I've had recently where Hally herself has noted that I have been killed early due to my general low-seriousness I've been putting out.
I think the vulgard interaction was a softball to just look like they were trying to figure out vulgards alignment and backed off as soon as that checkbox was checked
i mean, what am i supposed to do when i ask someone a few basic questions and they straight up don’t know how to answer any of them? again, it just didn’t seem productive to keep hounding him at that moment :shrug:
i think their entire take on me - from initial push, to holding firm in their read on me for things they were calling others villagers for, to backing off because "im calling strong players wolfy" while also hedging on it like "or maybe its some 500iq strategy to get the thread to think he's wolfy, push strong villagers, and get us all to think he's villagery because a wolf wouldnt do that!" - just isn't someone who is wondering if good friend sunbae randed wolf or not and is instead someone that wants to just ride the momentum on me.
i think you interpret the bolded as being more serious than it was and want to make it clear i’m currently leaning v on you
also, i was the first person to give any sort of town read on you and stop the momentum going against you. me making that post about how your approach seemed weird as a wolf is what prompted people to talk about other things, so if anything i did the opposite of riding it out.
i think their posts are also projecting wolfy mindframes that seep into post when wolfing (either because it's what they are doing or because they think it's villagery to be saying that even when its not)
idk what this is referring to
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 07:51
how is that alignment-indicative?
Pointing out a LHF is a LHF and why isn't usually pro-active work that wolves do.
That being said it's not a strong reason and I can't promise it sticks.
But it is what it is.
i dont have an issue with you?
i just am playing werewoofs and dont think you're a villager so far
i meant your issue with my posts, not me personally :tongue:
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 07:53
I mentioned to Zack earlier that I think ppl have unreal expectations of KGPs when they play in a format they rarely/seldomly play in that they expect you to match the activity level they have projected onto you which manifested itself from how excited they are to be playing with you, and if/when you don’t match that level of activity/hype, it’s cause you probably randed wolf and aren’t just chilling as a villager
my best guess
I have a huge problem with people who think great villager players playing lowkey means they're wolf. It's just annoying and hardly representative of true player-state usually.
not really seeing sunbae's agenda here if wolf. he would have to be like, intentionally digging himself into a hole and denying himself easy outs out of pure stubbornness which seems like an odd way to go about it
:book2:
not really seeing sunbae's agenda here if wolf. he would have to be like, intentionally digging himself into a hole and denying himself easy outs out of pure stubbornness which seems like an odd way to go about it
:book2:
i agree
So I'll try to organize it better:
With you, I saw you wolf read Hally. I had independently wolf read Hally. I thought "Oh, this is a good time to vibe with Zack" and asked if you wanted to talk about your stuff to see if we were noticing the same things. You brushed it off and I went ahead and gave my takes. That was the extend of our interaction there and I made a mental note of it. We've bounced ideas off each other before but that doesn't necessarily mean much.
Later, Benneh expressed a wolf read on me for memeing too long and followed it up with a villa read on you. I made the mental note of this too because, well, wolfreading me for memeing is a bit odd. I recognized that the thread consensus on me was kind of unhappy with my posting so far and there were quite a few people that expressed suspicions on me. So seeing specifically you and benneh not really doing much to try and work/vibe/clearup with me in that game state made me say "huh, that's odd. Wonder why". I looked at Benneh's defense of you - specifically for me trying to pocket you - and wondered if it could be a thing where you randed wolves together. That would explain neither of you wanting to really do anything about people wolf reading me (especially people that might not know me and not know im a bit of a goofy dumb dumb!) and the defenses. Then I looked at the opening section of yall hamming it up about randing w/w and getting the notification early/how great it was in there and thought that's how you two might handle randing wolves together (just having a lot of fun with it). So I expressed the possibility that you/benneh could be w/w because a lot of different things could line up that way.
But it's not my only concerns or threads. I also talked about not really liking Vulgard's drop in that read like a perfect spot for a wolf to drop a vote on me. I talked about not liking Hally's approach to Vulgard and how that interaction set off my spidey senses. I talked about Barto's posts towards me and not knowing what to make of them. Or Rask's inactivity and whether it's wolf indicative.
So like, what reaches the thread is this jumbled mess of "benneh/zack w/w! vulgard w! hally vulgard w/w!" but like, in my head it all makes sense because I know how I got to all of these points. Maybe that can like, clear things up a bit.
That's fair.
I direct you to any of the other town games I've had recently where Hally herself has noted that I have been killed early due to my general low-seriousness I've been putting out.
I will pretend to read those and give a made up answer that reflects however I feel about your in-thread posts when the time is appropriate. :bow:
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 08:02
not really seeing sunbae's agenda here if wolf. he would have to be like, intentionally digging himself into a hole and denying himself easy outs out of pure stubbornness which seems like an odd way to go about it
:book2:
I'll third this sentiment tbh
I mentioned to Zack earlier that I think ppl have unreal expectations of KGPs when they play in a format they rarely/seldomly play in that they expect you to match the activity level they have projected onto you which manifested itself from how excited they are to be playing with you, and if/when you don’t match that level of activity/hype, it’s cause you probably randed wolf and aren’t just chilling as a villager
my best guess
im not sure what KGP stands for but i really like your interpretation a lot more than what was in my head lmao
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 08:03
I will pretend to read those and give a made up answer that reflects however I feel about your in-thread posts when the time is appropriate. :bow:
Excellent.
I look forward to your vote.
...
Wait, we aren't running for a seat here?
So I'll try to organize it better:
With you, I saw you wolf read Hally. I had independently wolf read Hally. I thought "Oh, this is a good time to vibe with Zack" and asked if you wanted to talk about your stuff to see if we were noticing the same things. You brushed it off and I went ahead and gave my takes. That was the extend of our interaction there and I made a mental note of it. We've bounced ideas off each other before but that doesn't necessarily mean much.
Later, Benneh expressed a wolf read on me for memeing too long and followed it up with a villa read on you. I made the mental note of this too because, well, wolfreading me for memeing is a bit odd. I recognized that the thread consensus on me was kind of unhappy with my posting so far and there were quite a few people that expressed suspicions on me. So seeing specifically you and benneh not really doing much to try and work/vibe/clearup with me in that game state made me say "huh, that's odd. Wonder why". I looked at Benneh's defense of you - specifically for me trying to pocket you - and wondered if it could be a thing where you randed wolves together. That would explain neither of you wanting to really do anything about people wolf reading me (especially people that might not know me and not know im a bit of a goofy dumb dumb!) and the defenses. Then I looked at the opening section of yall hamming it up about randing w/w and getting the notification early/how great it was in there and thought that's how you two might handle randing wolves together (just having a lot of fun with it). So I expressed the possibility that you/benneh could be w/w because a lot of different things could line up that way.
But it's not my only concerns or threads. I also talked about not really liking Vulgard's drop in that read like a perfect spot for a wolf to drop a vote on me. I talked about not liking Hally's approach to Vulgard and how that interaction set off my spidey senses. I talked about Barto's posts towards me and not knowing what to make of them. Or Rask's inactivity and whether it's wolf indicative.
So like, what reaches the thread is this jumbled mess of "benneh/zack w/w! vulgard w! hally vulgard w/w!" but like, in my head it all makes sense because I know how I got to all of these points. Maybe that can like, clear things up a bit.
ah sorry didn't mean to brush you off, I just didn't want to guess your reason for wolfreading hally and give a mistaken impression that I believed they were wolfy when internally I'd moved on and didn't want to push there anymore (or give you the answers to the test to use if you were bullshitting / trying to pocket me etc).
fair enough, thanks for the breakdown. I've intentionally been trying to give you some space to work and not jump down your throat despite some concern after uh, mislunching you d1 in the last mountainous 9er we played and feeling really bad about it :shame:
im not sure what KGP stands for but i really like your interpretation a lot more than what was in my head lmao
I think it's Known Good Players
that was what benneh said when i asked him wolfchat my best guess given context clues :smart:
This is about hally right
ya (i have to add a third character because "ya" doesnt have enough to be posted)
I think it's Known Good Players
that was what benneh said when i asked him wolfchat my best guess given context clues :smart:
:computer:
Excellent.
I look forward to your vote.
...
Wait, we aren't running for a seat here?
I've tried to vote in Australian elections before and every time they told me, "Sir, you live in the US and have literally never even been here, Macdougall inviting you to the ANZAC game does not qualify you for citizenship."
:rolleyes:
gotta say thread is feeling villagy
zomg and so forth
gotta say thread is feeling villagy
zomg and so forth
cuz rask is a wolf :curtain:
cuz rask is a wolf :curtain:
and i got in on the ground floor :7detective:
i mean, what am i supposed to do when i ask someone a few basic questions and they straight up don’t know how to answer any of them? again, it just didn’t seem productive to keep hounding him at that moment :shrug:
i think you interpret the bolded as being more serious than it was and want to make it clear i’m currently leaning v on you
also, i was the first person to give any sort of town read on you and stop the momentum going against you. me making that post about how your approach seemed weird as a wolf is what prompted people to talk about other things, so if anything i did the opposite of riding it out.
idk what this is referring to
1. but like, thats the thing right? "they dont know how to answer it so I dont want to hound" is totally fine. I get that. But you actively switched from a vote to a villa read off of it. That's *why* I don't think you were actually caring about the alignment. I looked at that interaction and thought "hally doesn't care about Vulgard's alignment, they knew they were unvoting at the start of that line of questioning".
2. Note on that being a joke, I did take it seriously
3. That's kind of like the whole "viewing people in terms of pushable vs not as the basis for the reads you're making" thing. Like I'm not sitting here breaking people into pushable or not categories, im just trying to figure out who is being wolfy or villagery. But you've got multiple instances where the lhf/pushability of people is at the forefront of your reads and i think its entirely possible its a mindstate issue where you *are* breaking people into that because you're trying to position yourself properly in the macro sense and it just bleeds through as logic for your other reads (like the one on me!).
OK, here's my case for today:
First your try to pocket me.
Bunday is tomorrow.
You post a bunch of nonsense but also you go on and on about elite intellectual capacity, which you imply is necessary for understanding jokes, and then misspell ?personal? as ?personnel?, which is both a crime against grammar and just unfunny.
tl;dr your tone is very much off to me.
vote: Sunbae
That said, I am now reading that Vulgard made a post in which he actually tried to post some reads and itnerpret the threads and voted for Sunbae.
To which Sunbae replies with what mafiawiki says is an OMGUS vote: ?I vote you because you're voting me?.
And then on the next page Hally, who was the leader until then, switched her vote to both take herself off the lead and put the accuser Vulgard into the #1 (n?mero uno) place.
So I'm happy to make it a tie between you two, because I'm sure that between you, Hally and Vulgard there must be one mafiat.
Now I'm off to play videogames. Byeeee!
this bart post keeps nagging at me
afaict he?s wolf reading sunbae for his tone being off in a meme post? and then he describes the interactions between me/sunbae/vul and seems to arbitrarily decide there?s a wolf in us three but i don?t see what about the stuff he?s describing would lead him to think we can?t all be villagers
it just seems like kind of a nonsense reason for a vote, and this was after me/benneh/vul all wolf read sunbae in succession so it?s a good spot for a wolf to pile on with some half-baked reasoning thinking they?re unlikely to be looked at too hard for it
not really seeing sunbae's agenda here if wolf. he would have to be like, intentionally digging himself into a hole and denying himself easy outs out of pure stubbornness which seems like an odd way to go about it
:book2:
am i really being super stubborn here?
ive been trying my best to recognize issues and present them differently
am i really being super stubborn here?
ive been trying my best to recognize issues and present them differently
i meant in the sense that your v-reads were two of what would probably be prime mislunch candidates for you as a wolf (which hally talked about earlier) and then coming back to double down on pushing hally again when 1) it's very unlikely to gain any traction and 2) it's what got you into hot water in the first place
and I saw that and figured, sunbae is probably just a villa doing his thing and not giving much thought to how it comes across
See, my thing with not knowing what to do about the Barto post is this:
If you didn't know that post about Hally was a copypasta mocking Rick and Morty fans, and you thought that I was saying that stuff with any semblance of sincerity, then I think voting me is well within your right - nay, your duty - because it's awful
i also don't understand why he seems to suspect vulgard (mentioned wanting to make it vul v. sunbae in a subsequent post) because the line in that post hally quoted seemingly implies he thinks vul is villagy and one of the reasons he suspects sunbae is disliking sunbae's vote on vulgard
i'm curious to see what monty thinks of barto's posts when he returns to the thread, as an aside
1. but like, thats the thing right? "they dont know how to answer it so I dont want to hound" is totally fine. I get that. But you actively switched from a vote to a villa read off of it. That's *why* I don't think you were actually caring about the alignment. I looked at that interaction and thought "hally doesn't care about Vulgard's alignment, they knew they were unvoting at the start of that line of questioning".
i don’t know why you assume i knew i was unvoting him? i was actually surprised he responded the way he did and thought it was less likely to come from him as wolf because i remember him being a really good wolf who was able to fake good explanations for stuff, so i felt it would be an odd choice for w!him to completely punt on answering simple questions instead of trying to win me over by answering them
it’s not an ironclad read or anything but it gave me enough pause to feel it wasn’t worth pursuing more at that moment
2. Note on that being a joke, I did take it seriously
it wasn’t entirely a joke or entirely serious, more like half serious
3. That's kind of like the whole "viewing people in terms of pushable vs not as the basis for the reads you're making" thing. Like I'm not sitting here breaking people into pushable or not categories, im just trying to figure out who is being wolfy or villagery. But you've got multiple instances where the lhf/pushability of people is at the forefront of your reads and i think its entirely possible its a mindstate issue where you *are* breaking people into that because you're trying to position yourself properly in the macro sense and it just bleeds through as logic for your other reads (like the one on me!).
you really don’t sort people like that as a villager? i do it all the time because i feel like evaluating whether someone is making easy or hard pushes helps me see possible motivation or agenda behind their posts. for example, i think pushing on strong players early on is generally a pretty reliable town tell (just recently in the thing game on MU i used it to correctly clear three villagers D1). it’s obviously player dependent but generally i think it works pretty well and have seen others use it also (i know ladd does for example).
and on the flip side, you saw zack vote me for “shading” monty early on because he views monty as an easy push so he was wary of my focus there. it was the first thing i found villagery about zack, though not sure i said it. i make reads like that all the time i.e. “so and so seems like mislunch bait and it’s wolfy that X is going after them.”
so i dunno, i understand what you’re saying but i think it’s something villagers do a lot and i personally find it helpful
See, my thing with not knowing what to do about the Barto post is this:
If you didn't know that post about Hally was a copypasta mocking Rick and Morty fans, and you thought that I was saying that stuff with any semblance of sincerity, then I think voting me is well within your right - nay, your duty - because it's awful
i mean, i don’t even know that pasta and it still seems like an obvious shitpost to me? so idk how someone would take it seriously
also taking shitposts seriously and wolf reading people for them is >rand wolfy because wolves don’t have senses of humor, don’t @ me
Hally,
It's like 3am and I'm about to crash in my chair so I'm gonna sleep. I started to read that and words blurred together, so this is me telling you I'll read it better tomorrow and get back to you.
i mean, i don’t even know that pasta and it still seems like an obvious shitpost to me? so idk how someone would take it seriously
also taking shitposts seriously and wolf reading people for them is >rand wolfy because wolves don’t have senses of humor, don’t @ me
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Sunbae's shitposts. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical reader's head. There's also Sunbae's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Sunbae truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Sunbae's existential catchphrase "bronana from the syndicate is really cool" which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Sunbae's genius wit unfolds itself on their computer screens. What fools.. how I pity them. ��
Hally,
It's like 3am and I'm about to crash in my chair so I'm gonna sleep. I started to read that and words blurred together, so this is me telling you I'll read it better tomorrow and get back to you.
fwiw you don’t have to respond to it if you don’t want to
getting into a long back and forth with you about your read on me is probably not the best use of either of our posts, but if you think it would help you find me feel free
night
not sure if i should be wary that v reading all of zack/benneh/sunbae
feels a bit too good to be true lol
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 09:15
not sure if i should be wary that v reading all of zack/benneh/sunbae
feels a bit too good to be true lol
I’m not really sure why I’m being v read so feel free to direct that anxiety toward my slot if you want
adios muchacho
Vote: nebjiamn
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 09:23
Hey friendos, going to readin a few.
Any good case already?
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 09:27
I’d be ok with vulgard/barto/Monty votes atm
ender seems ~fine in a lazy way and i agree in principle with the stubbornness read not making a ton of sense for w!sunbae at this time
Rask has posted now so its not as cool to include them in my Poe but you can all note the semi-shade hedge I’ve attached to this post
I’d be ok with vulgard/barto/Monty votes atm
ender seems ~fine in a lazy way and i agree in principle with the stubbornness read not making a ton of sense for w!sunbae at this time
Rask has posted now so its not as cool to include them in my Poe but you can all note the semi-shade hedge I’ve attached to this post
sbpcbwwe
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 09:33
sbpcbwwe
Ya…
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Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 10:19
Vote : Hally
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 10:58
I wanted to write something about Monty, Tak, Sunbae, Zack and Hally.
And look, I finally did!
Okay, so.
I've been playing this like a hypercasual game from the start, because that's how it's been advertised to me. I wasn't concerned about not having reads or developed thoughts, because that didn't seem to matter to me. I'll figure out where to vote before EoD eventually, I'll share at least some thoughts, it'll be fine.
Well, clearly, that was a mistake. Me punting my answer to Hally is an indicator of this – I simply didn't think about the situation too hard and just posted words, so I had no real explanation. I'll try not to punt anymore.
I have a gamestate read that tells me most of the loud players are villagers, if not all of them, and there's at least one wolf in Barto/Montmorency/Ender. I know this is a rather useless split, but yeah.
I'm torn on Hally vs Sunbae, because I feel like there might be a wolf in there, but there's also this idea of Zack/nebjiamn being wolves together that has sat in my mind due to people talking about it. Hally/Sunbae/Zack/nebjiamn being V/V/V/V would be awesome, but that's also probably too good to be true. I've read people's arguments on Hally being kinda wolfy and I've read Sunbae's recent posting; my conclusion from this is that there is probably a wolf between them, but if there isn't, then there's probably a wolf between Zack and nebjiamn? And if there is a wolf between Hally/Sunbae, then I think Zack/nebjiamn are probably both villagers. Before you ask me to explain this, this is all based on thread positioning and where people have pushed, and I do recognize that it's not exactly useful when we have no flips and only two MLs. TL;DR I think the Hally/Sunbae/Zack/nebjiamn has one wolf in it, and if it has two, then it's probably Zack/nebjiamn.
The only reason I've thought Barto might be a villager is that the newbie thing seems towny on the surface and that their posts seem like ML bait, but I can't deny that their posts are pretty damn bad. I'm rescinding my townread on Ender, because he's playing fully into the shitpost mode that he started with, and I don't think it's towny anymore. I think town!Ender should have actual, meaningful thoughts about the game at the moment. Montmorency has literally just posted once, and while I think the post was pretty good, it was only one post. Probably still looks better than Ender and Barto due to his (her? Their?) proportion of villagery content relative to their number of posts.
And Rask is obviously =rand.
If I had a specific wolfread, I would be pursuing it right now, but the gamestate makes it difficult for me to find one, because I feel like a lot of people are making good arguments in regards to other people being wolves and I find myself temporarily agreeing with contradictory reads from different sources. That's part of what led me to my gamestate read above; I'm pretty sure there has to be at least one wolf successfully blending into the wolfread-slinging.
I'll just /vote EnderWiggin at the moment and leave it at that. Him being described as a common ML these days because of his shitposty playstyle worries me, but I really think he should have been able to talk about the game in a meaningful way by now, and he simply hasn't done that. So.
Oh, turns out I didn't actually explain why I thought there was at least one wolf in Ender/Barto/Montmorency, though you can kinda figure it out if you follow my thought process in the previous post.
It's a matter of eliminating worlds. Since I think that Zack/nebjiamn/Hally/Sunbae only contains two wolves if it's exactly Zack/nebjiamn, and if it has one wolf, it's probably between Hally/Sunbae (although I'm not certain about this), this leaves one wolf outside of that circle in most worlds. And the people outside that circle are Barto/Ender/Montmorency. It could also be Rask, but I'm waiting for him to post literally anything before I say anything about him.
Fwiw, I've gone back and forth on Hally tons of times, because I feel like both Hally and the people accusing Hally are making sense in regards to how Hally treated me and other slots. That's why I'm kind of punting my read on the top four players in the thread atm and lumping them into a wolfgroup - I genuinely can't decide where I want to be voting between them if we're punting one of them today.
I didn't know I'd ever find my posts very wolfy as a villager, but here we are.
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 13:13
Vote: Vulgard
Are you seriously saying I've had no "meaningful thoughts"? Tell me what meaningful thoughts are, Vul.
I've made reads on people already. I've even explained one of them(!), but is it because I haven't bothered to put 500 words into my dissertation?
Vote: Vulgard
Are you seriously saying I've had no "meaningful thoughts"? Tell me what meaningful thoughts are, Vul.
I've made reads on people already. I've even explained one of them(!), but is it because I haven't bothered to put 500 words into my dissertation?
I think you can do better as a villager.
The instant OMGUS does absolutely nothing for me and makes me wonder if you evaluated my slot at all or just jumped to voting me because I voted you.
I wanted to write something about Monty, Tak, Sunbae, Zack and Hally.
And look, I finally did!
Oh, I genuinely missed this post.
Explain your Hally vote, please.
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 13:16
Also this whole "If there's two wolves in Zack/nebjiamn/Hally/Sunbae then it's Neb/Zack" is kinda wack.
No chance Hally and Sunbae did a weird little song and dance and then Hally was the first to defend them in a way that lead other people to kinda lessen the aggro?
I mean I don't think that's the world either, but your worldstate thoughts aren't thorough on why, when I could 100% see wolf teams still in that lot.
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 13:17
I think you can do better as a villager.
And I think I deserve the right to not play hard in games when I signed up to be relaxed.
Also this whole "If there's two wolves in Zack/nebjiamn/Hally/Sunbae then it's Neb/Zack" is kinda wack.
No chance Hally and Sunbae did a weird little song and dance and then Hally was the first to defend them in a way that lead other people to kinda lessen the aggro?
I mean I don't think that's the world either, but your worldstate thoughts aren't thorough on why, when I could 100% see wolf teams still in that lot.
I guess it can be Hally/Sunbae? I didn't think it was when I had these thoughts, but there's probably one between them regardless.
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 13:19
The instant OMGUS does absolutely nothing for me and makes me wonder if you evaluated my slot at all or just jumped to voting me because I voted you.
You... think the omgus was for you?
Also re: Didn't evaluate your spot.
Kindly reminding you I sussed you before you came in and uno reversed me and I OMGUS'd you for it:
I also am sus of Vulgard actually.
Something something word salads.
That means I have too many susses and not enough bricks.
And I think I deserve the right to not play hard in games when I signed up to be relaxed.
I feel like I keep hitting brick walls. This is why being a wolf is so much better. Having all the answers makes this much more fun.
Vote: Hally probably best gamestate vote? Though I feel like you could apply the same logic to Hally that you could apply to Sunbae (not many people defending them at all).
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 13:25
I feel like I keep hitting brick walls. This is why being a wolf is so much better. Having all the answers makes this much more fun.
I'm sure you can do something that doesn't go "I feel you can do better" because that's pretty god damn patronising and is also on record (As of Team Mafia 2021 where people sussed Thunal over it) as my absolute least favourite read anyone can make in thread ever.
You have not tried to engage me or ask me questions or clarify any of my reads.
Instead you come in, sus me, and when I talk about it you are all "You can do better."
Sure I can do better.
But because I can churn out 50k words in a day phase detailing my thoughts and trying my best to catch up to Pizza's wordcount doesn't mean I will.
I can, however, engage in a way I find fun. And if people need some clarity I can answer questions, or talk about reads. I can't guarantee it'll be with 100% seriousness, but if I have a reason I'll explain it. (Notably my sus on Zack earlier was gut and had no reason so when Hally asked I kinda meme-responded.)
Let me put it this way:
Why are you complaining about brick walls if your only attempt to actually engage me is literally "I feel you can do better"? Are you really of the opinion that will spur someone to contribute because they feel unworthy of whatever?
If you want to actually engage someone, try to engage them.
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 13:28
...
In retrospect that post got a bit rantier than I intended, sorry.
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 13:30
I tried to check something before saying it in thread only to remember that meta-diving someone is a lot harder when the search postcount caps at 4 pages on the Org.
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 13:34
Oh, I genuinely missed this post.
Explain your Hally vote, please.
it's still nebulous to me. BUt since I am on a comp now (and about to read more), I'll write some more about it.
For context, I am not good at reading Monty, and I thought his post about Tak was TWTBA kinda post (post #57). Like locking Tak as a SR after 3 posts and analysing Sunbae and Zack off it (Sunbae because Tak replied to one of their post, and Zack because he didn't lol). So a wolfy post to my eyes.
Then several things happen: Hally asks questions about this post, Zack scum reads it because "Monty is a safe ML here and a wolf would push him after this post", Sunbae posts salads.
Like I am postitive there is a wolf in there but not sure where. Tak could be but I want to read more tbh. Monty too tbh (he could be baiting idk, and it's definatly TWTBAW territory).
I'd lean one in Hally/Zack rn.
Sunbae something. (He is involved, but nor sure how. Maybe him being in the side lines here was ok, maybe not. back to reading)
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 13:36
I actually have strong reasons to townread Sunbae maybe.
Double checking Sunbae of this game.
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 13:38
Yeah okay legit Sunbae is my strongest town and you can vote them off over my dead body.
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 13:39
I don't like Vulgard's treatment of me but idk how wolf indicative that is or if I'm just annoyed at it.
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 13:41
it's still nebulous to me. BUt since I am on a comp now (and about to read more), I'll write some more about it.
For context, I am not good at reading Monty, and I thought his post about Tak was TWTBA kinda post (post #57). Like locking Tak as a SR after 3 posts and analysing Sunbae and Zack off it (Sunbae because Tak replied to one of their post, and Zack because he didn't lol). So a wolfy post to my eyes.
Then several things happen: Hally asks questions about this post, Zack scum reads it because "Monty is a safe ML here and a wolf would push him after this post", Sunbae posts salads.
Like I am postitive there is a wolf in there but not sure where. Tak could be but I want to read more tbh. Monty too tbh (he could be baiting idk, and it's definatly TWTBAW territory).
I'd lean one in Hally/Zack rn.
Sunbae something. (He is involved, but nor sure how. Maybe him being in the side lines here was ok, maybe not. back to reading)
I'm interested in any Hally/Zack findings as that is part of my main susses on a gut front.
Keep digging soldier.
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 13:58
It?s a good read. I?ve always thought those that phone post with good tonne are likely to be town
It?s true. Good post?
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 14:10
benneh is a VILLAGER
(or pocketing me :stare:)
Hally, how do you read this conclusion? Like before he posted about you , I was gonna say he was a bit scummy for wanting to hold back till everyone has posted.
Players Votes
Vulgard 2 (Zack, EnderWiggin)
Hally 2 (Sunbae, Vulgard)
Montmorency 1 (nebjiamn)
El Barto 1 (Hally)
Sunbae 1 (El Barto)
whatthistextdo
believe this is correct
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 14:16
Say, this. I don't know why I didn't townread you in that post. I just didn't.
I don't know why Zack and Sunbae dissecting your posts made me look at them after initially liking them. I just did.
There's really no deeper explanation.
And in regards to my Ender read, well. I thought it was kinda towny that he came in just to post three times with nothing significant and leave. Although that's not exactly solid reasoning, obviously.
I guess I can say that I wasn't "hoping" to wolfread you. I initially liked your posts, then I saw Zack and Sunbae talk about them and I went "hey, maybe I shouldn't be townreading Hally, maybe I'll agree with them after re-reading Hally's posts with these thoughts in mind." Then I re-read them and went "eh."
I am going to village read this. I know, embarrassing.
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 14:17
I am voting Hally Visor
I am voting Hally Visor
missed it because of the space between colon and vote thx
Players Votes
Hally 3 (Sunbae, Raskolnikov, Vulgard)
Vulgard 2 (Zack, EnderWiggin)
Montmorency 1 (nebjiamn)
El Barto 1 (Hally)
Sunbae 1 (El Barto)
whatthistextdo
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 14:35
I'm voting alongside the person I wolfread earlier. These are truly groundbreaking times.
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 14:45
Ender but it might be bad
mont i think for the way they showed skepticism for bartos post and then tried to take it to the next level about how it relates to other people (me for how barto was talking, you for how you didnt pick up on it). can follow the threads in a way i think shows someone actually thinking from point a to b and how its connected
i agree with v reading mont i think, though it?s kinda light
think wolf reading barto and then taking the extra step to look at how he?s interacting with people, while pretty thin in substance, is more likely a over eager villager
wish there was more to go on though
I really don't believe these are real reads on Monty rn lol.
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 14:50
Ender but it might be bad
mont i think for the way they showed skepticism for bartos post and then tried to take it to the next level about how it relates to other people (me for how barto was talking, you for how you didnt pick up on it). can follow the threads in a way i think shows someone actually thinking from point a to b and how its connected
Fun fact: I have been told by a couple friends that my issues with swapping letters/words around sometimes + my struggles to pronounce unusual multi-syllable words the first time I see them + how it sometimes takes me multiple times to read things right because i just skip over stuff might be a sign of mild dyslexia
or marijuana abuse. whatever carry on :bow:
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 15:06
sunbae electing not to v read any of me/benneh/zack and instead v reading mont/ender is kind of an odd choice if wolf imo
in this player list ender and monty seem like two of the easiest pushes so v reading them and pushing on the ?strong players? is playing on hard mode even if sunbae is w/w with one of mont/ender
maybe too lvl 1 but idk i do think this is a weird track for w!sunbae
although he did say this so maybe he?s playing at that level to get v read :stare:
These posts I don't like either: because it talks about Sunbae but doesn't go anywhere. And like doesn't even touch the problematic sutff with Sunbae's read (wtf was this read on Monty?). I'd say it's more damning for Hally because she doesn't seem to be guessing here. I am not sure Sunbae isn't their partner though. (also wondering if the difference between Sunbae!last game and Sunbae!this game is AI.)
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 15:10
These posts I don't like either: because it talks about Sunbae but doesn't go anywhere. And like doesn't even touch the problematic sutff with Sunbae's read (wtf was this read on Monty?). I'd say it's more damning for Hally because she doesn't seem to be guessing here. I am not sure Sunbae isn't their partner though. (also wondering if the difference between Sunbae!last game and Sunbae!this game is AI.)
I was also thinking about this and is about 40% of my read rn.
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 15:10
Like there is a notice-able difference between last game and this game.
Side note:
I think Raskol is town too.
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 15:11
To clarify:
Last Sunbae game Raskol and I are referencing they were wolf.
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 15:17
Walk into the thread like, what up, I got a big towncore.
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 15:20
I'm bored at midnight, so I'm just gonna meme for a bit, everyone okay with that?
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 15:27
I want to point out there was an incredible big amount of time before Hally unvoted Zack (unlike Bennehs vote/unvote for instance), but you will say that I am a bad tunneler.
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 15:27
I want to point out there was an incredible big amount of time before Hally unvoted Zack (unlike Bennehs vote/unvote for instance), but you will say that I am a bad tunneler.
Hi Mr Bad Tunneller.
Can I have your Tunnelling registration license please?
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 17:12
whether or not sunbae's different from last game or not isn't a great way to read him i don't think
i think the stubbornness thing zack pointed is an ~OK read to lean v on him for but this might depend on your position in the gamestate to see it.
but i think the biggest thing making me no longer want to lunch sunbae today is that his thoughts seem extremely jumbled and some are almost a bit nonsenical (sunbae pls dont take offense to this) in a way that shows he's trying to exhaust lots of different paths even if they seem mostly fruitless on the surface.
if he's alive on day 2/3 and the bigger picture read of what happened today + later days events turns into a pretty obvious/direct then itll be time to revisit that read but i think h e'd be a pretty bad lunch today / tomorrow if that doesn't happen
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 17:13
whether or not sunbae's different from last game or not isn't a great way to read him i don't think
i think the stubbornness thing zack pointed is an ~OK read to lean v on him for but this might depend on your position in the gamestate to see it.
but i think the biggest thing making me no longer want to lunch sunbae today is that his thoughts seem extremely jumbled and some are almost a bit nonsenical (sunbae pls dont take offense to this) in a way that shows he's trying to exhaust lots of different paths even if they seem mostly fruitless on the surface.
if he's alive on day 2/3 and the bigger picture read of what happened today + later days events turns into a pretty obvious/direct then itll be time to revisit that read but i think h e'd be a pretty bad lunch today / tomorrow if that doesn't happen
but now i've given him the key to beating me so i am screwed
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 17:17
I want to point out there was an incredible big amount of time before Hally unvoted Zack (unlike Bennehs vote/unvote for instance), but you will say that I am a bad tunneler.
so what?
does where u are voting as a joke matter on d1 without maj? or are you implying it is wolfy because she could not find a way to get elsewhere
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 17:31
so what?
does where u are voting as a joke matter on d1 without maj? or are you implying it is wolfy because she could not find a way to get elsewhere
Nah, I meant Hally unvoted once Zack popped in, and not before. Like it just means they didn't want to make another use of their vote in the meantime. I dunno, let me ISO Hally to see if I am being uncharitable here. That was the impression while reading at least. (like an opportunistic jumping in)
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 17:40
Nah, I meant Hally unvoted once Zack popped in, and not before. Like it just means they didn't want to make another use of their vote in the meantime. I dunno, let me ISO Hally to see if I am being uncharitable here. That was the impression while reading at least. (like an opportunistic jumping in)
The fact Hally had to post the vote was a joke unprompted is also something setting alarms smh. (checked, votes went from vulgard to Sunbae to Zack to El barto)
I wanted to write something about Monty, Tak, Sunbae, Zack and Hally.
And look, I finally did!
oh, barto is tak?
Also this whole "If there's two wolves in Zack/nebjiamn/Hally/Sunbae then it's Neb/Zack" is kinda wack.
No chance Hally and Sunbae did a weird little song and dance and then Hally was the first to defend them in a way that lead other people to kinda lessen the aggro?
I mean I don't think that's the world either, but your worldstate thoughts aren't thorough on why, when I could 100% see wolf teams still in that lot.
there is exactly zero chance sunbae keeps pushing me as w/w
I guess it can be Hally/Sunbae? I didn't think it was when I had these thoughts, but there's probably one between them regardless.
??? no, it really can’t be
sunbae and me are the most unaligned players in the game
he would never keep pushing his top posting wolfbro when up until he revoted me i was positioned very well, that’s ridiculous
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 18:57
Vote: Hally
if sunbae and me are w/w we’re the two highest posters and both strong wolves who can easily run the thread and power wolf together
we would be stoked to rand wolf together, not bus D1 for no reason
idk what y’all are smoking but this is so wrong it’s actually tilting me a bit lol
Vote: Hally probably best gamestate vote? Though I feel like you could apply the same logic to Hally that you could apply to Sunbae (not many people defending them at all).
vote: vulgard
gtfo lol
“best gamestate vote”
lol, lmao
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 19:03
inb4 its barto/monty
it's still nebulous to me. BUt since I am on a comp now (and about to read more), I'll write some more about it.
For context, I am not good at reading Monty, and I thought his post about Tak was TWTBA kinda post (post #57). Like locking Tak as a SR after 3 posts and analysing Sunbae and Zack off it (Sunbae because Tak replied to one of their post, and Zack because he didn't lol). So a wolfy post to my eyes.
Then several things happen: Hally asks questions about this post, Zack scum reads it because "Monty is a safe ML here and a wolf would push him after this post", Sunbae posts salads.
Like I am postitive there is a wolf in there but not sure where. Tak could be but I want to read more tbh. Monty too tbh (he could be baiting idk, and it's definatly TWTBAW territory).
I'd lean one in Hally/Zack rn.
Sunbae something. (He is involved, but nor sure how. Maybe him being in the side lines here was ok, maybe not. back to reading)
????????????????
wtf is with these random ?there has to be a wolf in these people? reads everyone keeps making
why can?t we all be villagers? why do zack and i have to have to have a wolf? explain it like i?m 5
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 19:06
i think the way you came out defending yourself as not aligned with sunbae is v wolfy fwiw hally and why i gutvoted you here
i feel like its something i've seen wolves do a lot recently wherein they defend their inability to be w/w with someone rather than their inability to be wolf
ive obviously seen villagers do this too but just thinking from my own experience its tended to be when i've been unsure or wolf reading the person because the absurdity of me pairing with a person bumps up against them, in my mind, likely to be flipping wolf and me being associted with them after
but you v read sunbae hard rn from what it seems so it ticked all the boxes for me
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 19:10
whats your rough poe look like atm hally
Hally, how do you read this conclusion? Like before he posted about you , I was gonna say he was a bit scummy for wanting to hold back till everyone has posted.
he posted three things i thought were good
- i liked his sunbae wolf read because i was also rolling around a sunbae wolf read for similar reasons
- i liked his zack v read because again, i had one for similar reasons
- i liked his post where he v read me for having good tone while mobile posting because it seemed like a good catch and kinda out of the box, which i?m a sucker for
good enough for a D1 town read
I really don't believe these are real reads on Monty rn lol.
why? what was wrong with them at the time we made them?
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 19:17
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These posts I don't like either: because it talks about Sunbae but doesn't go anywhere. And like doesn't even touch the problematic sutff with Sunbae's read (wtf was this read on Monty?). I'd say it's more damning for Hally because she doesn't seem to be guessing here. I am not sure Sunbae isn't their partner though. (also wondering if the difference between Sunbae!last game and Sunbae!this game is AI.)
??? why would i think sunbae?s read on monty was problematic when i had the same read
also wdym ?doesn?t go anywhere?? i said i didn?t think sunbae was a wolf. the second post is just half serious paranoia but i?ve maintained he?s probably a villager since making the top post.
I want to point out there was an incredible big amount of time before Hally unvoted Zack (unlike Bennehs vote/unvote for instance), but you will say that I am a bad tunneler.
this is ridiculous, it was less than an hour during a time when nobody was posting
and idk why it?s even wolfy to keep my vote on zack
Nah, I meant Hally unvoted once Zack popped in, and not before. Like it just means they didn't want to make another use of their vote in the meantime. I dunno, let me ISO Hally to see if I am being uncharitable here. That was the impression while reading at least. (like an opportunistic jumping in)
it?s wolfy that i didn?t vote someone else at a time when nobody was even around to react to it? what would switching my vote sooner have done? it was a dead thread and i didn?t even have it there for an hour
lol
The fact Hally had to post the vote was a joke unprompted is also something setting alarms smh. (checked, votes went from vulgard to Sunbae to Zack to El barto)
it wasn?t unprompted, it was because zack was tilted and i didn?t want to tilt him more by keeping my vote when it wasn?t serious to begin with
i think the way you came out defending yourself as not aligned with sunbae is v wolfy fwiw hally and why i gutvoted you here
i feel like its something i've seen wolves do a lot recently wherein they defend their inability to be w/w with someone rather than their inability to be wolf
ive obviously seen villagers do this too but just thinking from my own experience its tended to be when i've been unsure or wolf reading the person because the absurdity of me pairing with a person bumps up against them, in my mind, likely to be flipping wolf and me being associted with them after
but you v read sunbae hard rn from what it seems so it ticked all the boxes for me
well up to that point in my reading the only thing people posted about me was that i could be w/w with sunbae
i hadn’t gotten to the part where anyone said anything about my actual posts
and ftr i know people find it wolfy when someone defends themselves like that but idgaf, thinking sunbae and me are paired is just dumb and i’m gonna call it dumb
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 19:36
well up to that point in my reading the only thing people posted about me was that i could be w/w with sunbae
i hadn’t gotten to the part where anyone said anything about my actual posts
and ftr i know people find it wolfy when someone defends themselves like that but idgaf, thinking sunbae and me are paired is just dumb and i’m gonna call it dumb
okie dokie
whats your rough poe look like atm hally
same as it did before
not touching you/zack/sunbae today
i think i like ender more than not i think
monty i still like his entry but lol one posting
still processing rask’s push on me
barto i don’t care for
vul voting me for “best gamestate” after posting a bunch of words that say nothing about people’s posts is dogshit
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 19:40
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Do they sell some with a big giant wolf on it?
honestly don’t think i have ever been voted for such dumb reasons
this is not a defense or AtE or anything, i’m just sitting here trying to parse whether vul and rask can actually be villagers who believe in voting me for the reasons they’ve said and idfk lol
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 19:49
????????????????
wtf is with these random ?there has to be a wolf in these people? reads everyone keeps making
why can?t we all be villagers? why do zack and i have to have to have a wolf? explain it like i?m 5
"why can?t we all be villagers?" I just think one of Zack/you had a vested interest in pushing. Like you don't end talking about one read post from Monty for lengths if nobody has interest in it?
I also don't like your wording here ("why can't we all" instead of say "I am not, period"), or earlier insisting on the associated read about Sunbae/you from Benneh, rather than the actual read.
catching up, fair warning wont be here for eod
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 19:56
Vote: El Barto
"why can?t we all be villagers?" I just think one of Zack/you had a vested interest in pushing. Like you don't end talking about one read post from Monty for lengths if nobody has interest in it?
i don’t get what this means? it wasn’t a long interaction at all, it was like a few posts
I also don't like your wording here ("why can't we all" instead of say "I am not, period"), or earlier insisting on the associated read about Sunbae/you from Benneh, rather than the actual read.
cuz i’m not trying to defend myself, i’m trying to see why YOU think the things you’re posting and saying “i’m not a wolf” doesn’t help me do that
i don?t think rask has the guts as wolf to come in after zero posting the entire day and immediately start hard pushing the top poster
maybe a bad read but yolo
I think my concern of hally/vulgard can be put to bed after this latest stint. Think Vulgard's posts towards Hally and the response of calling said posts dogshit are not how I recall wolf hally interacting with partners (either moon nor lan from the one game nor esooa from the org game).
Neb, can we take a few minutes to try and pow wow about Hally here? I'm gonna have to make my call somewhat quickly. I had briefly mentioned my thoughts on "woof mindset" settling into their perspective but to flesh that out a bit more I thought Hally pushing me out of the gate and then turning around and calling me villagery for pushing "strong players" was another example of this where I considered Hally thinking "oh i'll push sunbae and itll be villagery cause what wolf would do that" and then having that frame of mind slip through in the reverse when it became clear that I was going to kick and scream about it/be difficult. It's popped up again with the "rask wouldn't push the top poster" mindset here, but I'm wondering if this track holds water.
I admit to being a bit uncertain after this last stint because along with their posting towards Vulgard I also detect some real sounding frustration. Might be just "caught for bad reasons" but it's enough for me to try and get some other heads in on the topic. You've seemed to waver back and forth on Hallyv and Hallyw throughout the day so where's your head at currently?
Hally, can you break down in a singular post the reasons you villa read Neb/Zack for me? I know the initial reads were from some mindmelding a couple hours into the game but how has stuff progressed?
El Barto
07-24-2022, 20:23
Well, it appears that after you add six posts to the quote queue this forum forces me to reply, which is fine.
why'd you ask sunbae?
and coincidentally I am pooping while I ask this
Because I wanted to test sunbae's reaction? Do we have anything better than that to go on?
I am no longer pooping.
But you're still shitposting?
why would you ask this 16 posts into the game?
That'sthejoke.jpg
cuz rask is a wolf :curtain:
and i got in on the ground floor :7detective:
gotta say thread is feeling villagy
zomg and so forth
Wasn't I the first to vote for this Raskolnikov person?
Hally, can you break down in a singular post the reasons you villa read Neb/Zack for me? I know the initial reads were from some mindmelding a couple hours into the game but how has stuff progressed?
it hasn’t really progressed, i just think they’re both posting fine and posting things i like so i don’t feel like touching them today when there’s other people i think are wolfier
it hasn’t really progressed, i just think they’re both posting fine and posting things i like so i don’t feel like touching them today when there’s other people i think are wolfier
gth is vulgard a wolf?
friends, vul posted a bunch of word vomit about the gamestate and possible associations then tacked on a lazy ender vote for “not doing anything”
then ender responded with a pretty staunch defense and vul immediately backed off and decided to switch to voting me because ender (the person he was just wolf reading) told him he was wrong to rule out me/sunbae as the team, which somehow made me the “best gamestate vote”
why is he a villager?
the only thing i can say in vul’s defense is that i’m still not sure he would be posting this terribly as a wolf lol
but his vote on me is just awful and i can’t let it stand
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 20:34
why? what was wrong with them at the time we made them?
same as it did before
not touching you/zack/sunbae today
i think i like ender more than not i think
monty i still like his entry but lol one posting
still processing rask?s push on me
barto i don?t care for
vul voting me for ?best gamestate? after posting a bunch of words that say nothing about people?s posts is dogshit
let me dig what you posted just after Monty did his true one read post:
huh?
i missed where barto said he was roleplaying and thought he was just posting weird lol
but if it?s a roleplay it?s whatever i guess
monty, why is roleplaying bad wolfy? idgi
is this a meta read? as in you think bart specifically would have trouble doing that as a wolf?
i?m kinda ??? at you wolf reading barto for that because it doesn?t seem AI?
i also don?t get how you?re jumping to the sunbae and zack pairings based on what seems like a very thin read on page 1
but maybe it?s villagery eagerness? idk lol
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so like, what did you like already?
Well, it appears that after you add six posts to the quote queue this forum forces me to reply, which is fine.
Because I wanted to test sunbae's reaction? Do we have anything better than that to go on?
But you're still shitposting?
That'sthejoke.jpg
Wasn't I the first to vote for this Raskolnikov person?
meanwhile barto is posting stuff like this lol
sticking on vul, could also go for a Barto cfd
not feeling a hally lunch
:coffeenews:
meanwhile barto is posting stuff like this lol
he's been asked about that post how many times and still hasn't given an answer that makes any sense lol
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 20:37
I think my concern of hally/vulgard can be put to bed after this latest stint. Think Vulgard's posts towards Hally and the response of calling said posts dogshit are not how I recall wolf hally interacting with partners (either moon nor lan from the one game nor esooa from the org game).
Neb, can we take a few minutes to try and pow wow about Hally here? I'm gonna have to make my call somewhat quickly. I had briefly mentioned my thoughts on "woof mindset" settling into their perspective but to flesh that out a bit more I thought Hally pushing me out of the gate and then turning around and calling me villagery for pushing "strong players" was another example of this where I considered Hally thinking "oh i'll push sunbae and itll be villagery cause what wolf would do that" and then having that frame of mind slip through in the reverse when it became clear that I was going to kick and scream about it/be difficult. It's popped up again with the "rask wouldn't push the top poster" mindset here, but I'm wondering if this track holds water.
I admit to being a bit uncertain after this last stint because along with their posting towards Vulgard I also detect some real sounding frustration. Might be just "caught for bad reasons" but it's enough for me to try and get some other heads in on the topic. You've seemed to waver back and forth on Hallyv and Hallyw throughout the day so where's your head at currently?
i think i've been really good with all of hally's posting up until the recent unaligned with you thing. the only thing giving me doubts (and im not sure if this has seeped in thru my posting or not?) through the day has been several people, including you, pushing there to the point where its obviously not just wolves so i wonder what the villagers whoa re posting those things are seeing that i'm not because i feel obligated to factor in their thought processes
but i think your view on hally's turnaround is a bit... simplistic? its not cause you were pushing *strong players*, afaict, it was because you were wading into heavy waters when a clear path over a bridge was available and there was doubt on why you would choose that path as a wolf since it only serves to make yours and your partners d1 harder if wolf
ignoring the whole part about WIFOMing because that is actually what ended up clearing you, but c'est la vie and all, but i think if you look at it from that lens you can maybe see my perspective on it in that hally (and me and zack) are not interested in pushing you any longer because its just holistically not a great play.
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 20:38
rofl
let me dig what you posted just after Monty did his true one read post:
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so like, what did you like already?
read the last line of the last post
i came around to it maybe being villagery that monty came right out of the gate with a confident wolf read on barto and immediately preflipped him wolf to solve for his teammate
just seemed like something a villager was more likely to enter with but i mean, he hasn’t posted anything else so lol
Think I'm currently here:
- Ender is probably a villager. I squinted at the insinuation of iso'ing a past game of mine on d1 in a casual 9er that otherwise has been laid back and jokey from them, but for the most part I've thought they were fine and agendaless.
- I don't think Hally works with Vulgard, Barto, or Rask due to Hally's interactions with them. If Hally is a wolf I also don't think it's Mont due to the insistence that the Hally/Me/Neb/Zack group is all villagers. I think wolf Hally would love to have some shade among that group if it were so. Which means I think if Hally is a wolf the other is either Neb or Zack.
- I do think Neb/Zack have w/w equity but I'm not so sure this game day plays out this way on the back end if so. Outside of the initial spurt, I don't see them really coordinating thread position in a way that puts them in good positions later. They aren't trying to distance any after I called it out as possible, they aren't building each other up afterwards, they aren't taking opposite stances on things, and not trying to stoke flames that I can tell. So I think I want to back burner this pair for a bit.
- If Hally's assessment of me/hally/neb/zack town is accurate, I think the only world Rask makes sense as a wolf is with Vulgard (coming in hard because the counterwagon is the teammate). If it's not vulgard, I think rask doesn't come into that game state of villagers fighting and just make themselves so vocal to pile on.
Does anyone have significant issues with any of this?
El Barto
07-24-2022, 20:39
See, my thing with not knowing what to do about the Barto post is this:
If you didn't know that post about Hally was a copypasta mocking Rick and Morty fans, and you thought that I was saying that stuff with any semblance of sincerity, then I think voting me is well within your right - nay, your duty - because it's awful
I am not familiar with this particular bit of copied pasta, no.
I'm over the age of 25 so things the kids do sometimes confuse me.
friends, vul posted a bunch of word vomit about the gamestate and possible associations then tacked on a lazy ender vote for ?not doing anything?
then ender responded with a pretty staunch defense and vul immediately backed off and decided to switch to voting me because ender (the person he was just wolf reading) told him he was wrong to rule out me/sunbae as the team, which somehow made me the ?best gamestate vote?
why is he a villager?
Hmmm, currently it's 3-3 between you and Vulgard.
Obviously your voting for him and his voting your you can explain each other. You're pushing him, which is fine, because at least you're voting him based on some of his behaviour.
So:
1) Where *is* Montmorency?
2) Why was EnderWiggin cluttering up the thread with this thing that they call shitposting?
3) Why is nebjiamn refusing to cast a vote? Sunbae I still do not trust, but nebjiamn is just refusing to expose himself as voting for either of these (checks mafiawiki.org again) ?waggons?. Maybe he'll swoop in at the last minute, especially if he's equipped with a cellular telephone so that bodily functions shall not impede him in such an attempt, but, well, who knows. Do I qualify as this ?LHF??
Sunbae will not be lynched today, so vote:nebjiamn just to make a point.
Think I'm currently here:
- Ender is probably a villager. I squinted at the insinuation of iso'ing a past game of mine on d1 in a casual 9er that otherwise has been laid back and jokey from them, but for the most part I've thought they were fine and agendaless.
- I don't think Hally works with Vulgard, Barto, or Rask due to Hally's interactions with them. If Hally is a wolf I also don't think it's Mont due to the insistence that the Hally/Me/Neb/Zack group is all villagers. I think wolf Hally would love to have some shade among that group if it were so. Which means I think if Hally is a wolf the other is either Neb or Zack.
- I do think Neb/Zack have w/w equity but I'm not so sure this game day plays out this way on the back end if so. Outside of the initial spurt, I don't see them really coordinating thread position in a way that puts them in good positions later. They aren't trying to distance any after I called it out as possible, they aren't building each other up afterwards, they aren't taking opposite stances on things, and not trying to stoke flames that I can tell. So I think I want to back burner this pair for a bit.
- If Hally's assessment of me/hally/neb/zack town is accurate, I think the only world Rask makes sense as a wolf is with Vulgard (coming in hard because the counterwagon is the teammate). If it's not vulgard, I think rask doesn't come into that game state of villagers fighting and just make themselves so vocal to pile on.
Does anyone have significant issues with any of this?
not really
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 20:43
i'm voting you barto
Monty didn't really post until EOD in the sorc game earlier this year fwiw
i think i've been really good with all of hally's posting up until the recent unaligned with you thing. the only thing giving me doubts (and im not sure if this has seeped in thru my posting or not?) through the day has been several people, including you, pushing there to the point where its obviously not just wolves so i wonder what the villagers whoa re posting those things are seeing that i'm not because i feel obligated to factor in their thought processes
but i think your view on hally's turnaround is a bit... simplistic? its not cause you were pushing *strong players*, afaict, it was because you were wading into heavy waters when a clear path over a bridge was available and there was doubt on why you would choose that path as a wolf since it only serves to make yours and your partners d1 harder if wolf
ignoring the whole part about WIFOMing because that is actually what ended up clearing you, but c'est la vie and all, but i think if you look at it from that lens you can maybe see my perspective on it in that hally (and me and zack) are not interested in pushing you any longer because its just holistically not a great play.
My understanding then is that the three of you are basically at "i don't agree with his takes on the game but we think he's a villager for the way he's gone about everything"
Does anyone have significant issues with any of this?
:no:
i'm voting you barto
:laugh4:
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 20:46
My understanding then is that the three of you are basically at "i don't agree with his takes on the game but we think he's a villager for the way he's gone about everything"
my brain's too foggy atm to confirm the "i dont agree with his takes" part but the gist of it sounds about right
i think your most recent post on gamestate good and i agree with it
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 20:46
Think I'm currently here:
- Ender is probably a villager. I squinted at the insinuation of iso'ing a past game of mine on d1 in a casual 9er that otherwise has been laid back and jokey from them, but for the most part I've thought they were fine and agendaless.
- I don't think Hally works with Vulgard, Barto, or Rask due to Hally's interactions with them. If Hally is a wolf I also don't think it's Mont due to the insistence that the Hally/Me/Neb/Zack group is all villagers. I think wolf Hally would love to have some shade among that group if it were so. Which means I think if Hally is a wolf the other is either Neb or Zack.
- I do think Neb/Zack have w/w equity but I'm not so sure this game day plays out this way on the back end if so. Outside of the initial spurt, I don't see them really coordinating thread position in a way that puts them in good positions later. They aren't trying to distance any after I called it out as possible, they aren't building each other up afterwards, they aren't taking opposite stances on things, and not trying to stoke flames that I can tell. So I think I want to back burner this pair for a bit.
- If Hally's assessment of me/hally/neb/zack town is accurate, I think the only world Rask makes sense as a wolf is with Vulgard (coming in hard because the counterwagon is the teammate). If it's not vulgard, I think rask doesn't come into that game state of villagers fighting and just make themselves so vocal to pile on.
Does anyone have significant issues with any of this?
I am Hally's partner :curtain:
That line about "its obviously not just wolves so i wonder what the villagers who are posting those things are seeing" kinda snapped me back to earth a bit regarding the three of you
sunbae, what do you think of zack and benneh independent of a possible association between them?
Rask if you're Hally's partner I'll just nod my head and say nice theater
thought ender came off pretty well in the back and forth with vul. vulgard seemed awkward and like he didn't really know how to deal with it
friends, vul posted a bunch of word vomit about the gamestate and possible associations then tacked on a lazy ender vote for “not doing anything”
then ender responded with a pretty staunch defense and vul immediately backed off and decided to switch to voting me because ender (the person he was just wolf reading) told him he was wrong to rule out me/sunbae as the team, which somehow made me the “best gamestate vote”
why is he a villager?
anyone have thoughts on this?
if hally is villa and vulgard is a wolf imma spank rask until he says uncle
thought ender came off pretty well in the back and forth with vul. vulgard seemed awkward and like he didn't really know how to deal with it
agreed on both counts
anyone have thoughts on this?
I agree with you
his posts stinky
if hally is villa and vulgard is a wolf imma spank rask until he says uncle
do you think it’s in his wolf range to push me this hard?
do you think it’s in his wolf range to push me this hard?
I have not seen him wolf, unless it was like 10 years ago in some game I don't remember
but he's a very good player who has never struck me as cowardly in and sense so sure?
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 20:55
anyone have thoughts on this?
but like you did the same? (backed off him for weak reasons)
sunbae, what do you think of zack and benneh independent of a possible association between them?
I think they've both showed a lot of patience towards me and perhaps I was being a bit unfair in my concerns. My current realization is that despite me jumping up and down a lot, they've not just focused on me and instead have been trying to poke and prod in other places. I think it's probably pretty easy as a wolf to just focus on me/my pushes in this game state but they've humored me, given me space, and searched elsewhere.
I'm currently mulling over your assessment that it's all villagers in our little four group, because neb seems to mostly like you except for the me/you unaligned thing (and I didn't hate that personally cause I scoffed at the idea we're ever a pair myself so it might just be an inside/outside difference), I've kind of realized/put together that I can't really see what their goals are as wolves with how they've approached today, and they both like each other so far. So it might be one of those games where 3 villagers find each other quickly and it takes a while for me to get there because i wolf read some of those interactions when the reality is they just feel good and vibe together.
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 20:57
do you think it’s in his wolf range to push me this hard?
who pushed hard who?
Can you be less theatric Hally, I wasn't informed I was going to assist a show. I need my popcorn tbh (:creep:)
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 21:00
anyone with meta on Vulguard?
fwiw I am a little concerned benneh got cleared a bit too easily but I'm not interested in going there today regardless and I don't think I could even explain why other than vibes/good ol paranoia
I have not seen him wolf, unless it was like 10 years ago in some game I don't remember
but he's a very good player who has never struck me as cowardly in and sense so sure?
i’ve seen him wolf on MU and iirc he had good tone but his posting was more milquetoast and i don’t remember him making hard pushes like this
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 21:01
fwiw I am a little concerned benneh got cleared a bit too easily but I'm not interested in going there today regardless and I don't think I could even explain why other than vibes/good ol paranoia
as i said i'm not really sure why i got cleared. i think i'm extreeeeeeeeeemely within my wolf range atm
but when ur right ur right so idc
but like you did the same? (backed off him for weak reasons)
why are you ignoring everything else i said in the post and just focusing on that?
nebjiamn
07-24-2022, 21:03
Vote: Vulgard
50% chance i don't make it back for EOD so leaving my vote here
glgl
I think they've both showed a lot of patience towards me and perhaps I was being a bit unfair in my concerns. My current realization is that despite me jumping up and down a lot, they've not just focused on me and instead have been trying to poke and prod in other places. I think it's probably pretty easy as a wolf to just focus on me/my pushes in this game state but they've humored me, given me space, and searched elsewhere.
I'm currently mulling over your assessment that it's all villagers in our little four group, because neb seems to mostly like you except for the me/you unaligned thing (and I didn't hate that personally cause I scoffed at the idea we're ever a pair myself so it might just be an inside/outside difference), I've kind of realized/put together that I can't really see what their goals are as wolves with how they've approached today, and they both like each other so far. So it might be one of those games where 3 villagers find each other quickly and it takes a while for me to get there because i wolf read some of those interactions when the reality is they just feel good and vibe together.
ftr i’m not strongly town reading zack and benneh to the point where i’d be surprised if they’re wolves, i’m more so just rolling with them as villagers for today because i feel like it
who pushed hard who?
Can you be less theatric Hally, I wasn't informed I was going to assist a show. I need my popcorn tbh (:creep:)
you’ve pushed me pretty lol
idk what you’re talking about
you’ve pushed me pretty lol
idk what you’re talking about
*pretty hard
ah, the good ole “wait people are voting with me now what if i’m wrong”
how i’ve missed you
sunbae might be my top villager now honestly
how the turns have tabled
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 21:11
why are you ignoring everything else i said in the post and just focusing on that?
lol I am not. I just reread the whole vulgard and his chat with Ender. Now I can tell you I don't think Ender came in with a pretty hard defense. He just went in with a "f it, I have every rights to ask for a chill game, it doesn't make me a wolf, back off" post and vulgard gave in. which was a reasonnable move (because nobody wants to be toxic in a "small casual game " I guess)
So he could be a wolf (the only thing I liked was that he couldn't articulate his reads lol).
But so could you (as you did exactly the same. Like pushed him, got a weak sauce reply - I don't know why I have these reads, I just have them - backed off). I am not focusing here. On contrary, I try to zoom out.
sunbae might be my top villager now honestly
how the turns have tabled
:computer:
lol I am not. I just reread the whole vulgard and his chat with Ender. Now I can tell you I don't think Ender came in with a pretty hard defense. He just went in with a "f it, I have every rights to ask for a chill game, it doesn't make me a wolf, back off" post and vulgard gave in. which was a reasonnable move (because nobody wants to be toxic in a "small casual game " I guess)
So he could be a wolf (the only thing I liked was that he couldn't articulate his reads lol).
But so could you (as you did exactly the same. Like pushed him, got a weak sauce reply - I don't know why I have these reads, I just have them - backed off). I am not focusing here. On contrary, I try to zoom out.
the key difference between what i did and what vul did is vul used his interaction with ender to pivot to voting me for “gamestate”
idk why you’re conflating the two :shrug:
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 21:18
you’ve pushed me pretty lol
idk what you’re talking about
I was confused by Zack pocketing me :bow:
I was confused by Zack pocketing me :bow:
:wings:
I pocketed you?
Do they sell some with a big giant wolf on it?
https://smile.amazon.com/Mountain-Three-Short-Sleeve-Green/dp/B000NZW3KC/ref=sr_1_3?crid=39VGBN1QF3L4E&keywords=3+wolf+moon&qid=1658695337&sprefix=3+wol%2Caps%2C840&sr=8-3
:creep:
rask what are your reads besides me?
I am going to village read this. I know, embarrassing.
I really don't believe these are real reads on Monty rn lol.
expanding on why I said I'd spank rask's bum if vulgard is a wolf and hally isn't earlier:
these posts (and the subsequent jump on hally's wagon for imo kinda silly reasons) really scream agenda'd posting in that world, and honestly might just be plain wolfy regardless
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 22:05
Zack and Ender prolly OK (good tone - yeah - and no agenda). El Barto too (meta read)
benneh/sunbae/vulgard null
Monty I want to punt but wouldn't because of low posting and my history of reading him.
zack
not going here d1: ender/hally/sunbae
ok for now but don't feel great about it: benneh/monty
:inquisitive: rask
:stare: vulgard/barto
:coffeenews:
El Barto too (meta read)
go on...
expanding on why I said I'd spank rask's bum if vulgard is a wolf and hally isn't earlier:
these posts (and the subsequent jump on hally's wagon for imo kinda silly reasons) really scream agenda'd posting in that world, and honestly might just be plain wolfy regardless
i think rask could be a wolf if vul is, yeah
if vul’s not i don’t really think it makes sense to go so hard on me over vul though? vul is definitely the easier push
i agree rask’s reasoning for pushing me is bad though
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 22:11
expanding on why I said I'd spank rask's bum if vulgard is a wolf and hally isn't earlier:
these posts (and the subsequent jump on hally's wagon for imo kinda silly reasons) really scream agenda'd posting in that world, and honestly might just be plain wolfy regardless
hey look Zack, I may be really wrong. Take these posts from Vulgard for instance, I know they are very easy to do as a wolf, moreso when cornered, but I still recognize they will statiscallly come from a villager more often than not. RE Hally, maybe she is a villager, but spent most of the day going for opportunistic stuff (Monty, Tak, vulgard) and imo defended badly to the different pushes.
zack
not going here d1: ender/hally/sunbae
ok for now but don't feel great about it: benneh/monty
:inquisitive: rask
:stare: vulgard/barto
:coffeenews:
i was thinking on if vul/barto could just be the team but not sure barto would opt to vote benneh there when his teammate vul is getting run up
i think rask could be a wolf if vul is, yeah
if vul’s not i don’t really think it makes sense to go so hard on me over vul though? vul is definitely the easier push
i agree rask’s reasoning for pushing me is bad though
maybe but if you are v/v then you are also the more "valuable" mislunch and at the time there was a lot of momentum against you. and at some point bad posts are just bad posts
(not really considering the possibility of you and rask being w/w in this theorycrafting atm)
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 22:12
inb4 Zack/vulgard is the team
hey look Zack, I may be really wrong. Take these posts from Vulgard for instance, I know they are very easy to do as a wolf, moreso when cornered, but I still recognize they will statiscallly come from a villager more often than not. RE Hally, maybe she is a villager, but spent most of the day going for opportunistic stuff (Monty, Tak, vulgard) and imo defended badly to the different pushes.
fair enough
inb4 Zack/vulgard is the team
fair enough rescinded :stare:
i was thinking on if vul/barto could just be the team but not sure barto would opt to vote benneh there when his teammate vul is getting run up
maybe, they seem kind of disconnected though, feels more like an either/or situation 2 me
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 22:17
go on...
Still mostly joking around? And when he is not, his pushes (Sunbae, or going for the tie) don't feel like they are made to make us feel good about them. :shrug:
Still mostly joking around? And when he is not, his pushes (Sunbae, or going for the tie) don't feel like they are made to make us feel good about them. :shrug:
I dunno about the joking around part but I can see the latter if I squint, or at least how you would see that being the case
maybe but if you are v/v then you are also the more "valuable" mislunch and at the time there was a lot of momentum against you. and at some point bad posts are just bad posts
(not really considering the possibility of you and rask being w/w in this theorycrafting atm)
tbh even though there was momentum on me i didn’t really think i would go over today because people hate killing someone active D1
thought we would default to killing the wolfiest low poster so my wagon felt unlikely to stick fmpov
though now that i say that i’ll probably get cfd’d lol
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 22:21
maybe but if you are v/v then you are also the more "valuable" mislunch and at the time there was a lot of momentum against you. and at some point bad posts are just bad posts
(not really considering the possibility of you and rask being w/w in this theorycrafting atm)
Yes, too many good players in this game, had to tackle on the greats. RIP
(tbh: the way Hally now has shifted to solving around me is weirding me out. get her folks)
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 22:22
tbh even though there was momentum on me i didn’t really think i would go over today because people hate killing someone active D1
thought we would default to killing the wolfiest low poster so my wagon felt unlikely to stick fmpov
I am really laughing rn Hally.
Still mostly joking around? And when he is not, his pushes (Sunbae, or going for the tie) don't feel like they are made to make us feel good about them. :shrug:
last bit is probably the best reason to v read bart
i agree he doesn’t seem to care about getting town read
not sure if it’s a good reason to v read him though
Yes, too many good players in this game, had to tackle on the greats. RIP
(tbh: the way Hally now has shifted to solving around me is weirding me out. get her folks)
it’s weird that i’m focused on the person who has done nothing but push me for bad reasons?
i think the last time i played with rask where he was a villager was the org game where i was a wolf and dominated so maybe he’s just scared of me lol
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 22:31
it’s weird that i’m focused on the person who has done nothing but push me for bad reasons?
yeah indeed. Why don't you just shrug at me and let me push other LHFs. Didn't check my pins in the wolfchat? :stare:
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 22:37
i think the last time i played with rask where he was a villager was the org game where i was a wolf and dominated so maybe he?s just scared of me lol
I subbed in a poisonned slot and still yeet wolf!Dya like a hero. Don't be so self-centered. :hide:
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 22:39
what's the vc?
El Barto
07-24-2022, 22:50
i'm voting you barto
Are you now?
i agree he doesn’t seem to care about getting town read
Never have, never shall.
what's the vc?
vul has 5 i think - me, zack, benneh, sunbae, ender
i have 2 - you, vul
benneh has 1 - barto
and i think mont is voting bart?
Montmorency
07-24-2022, 22:55
what's the vc?
4-3 Vulgard-Hally I believe
Montmorency
07-24-2022, 22:55
And yes, by the way, i DO have a buttercup tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the champs finalists' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid ?
Not so genius, Dr. Evil. You just slipped that all the so-called intellectual dwarfs, the uninformed majority if you will, are not members of your organization, of your team. And there's only two factions here, so if you're not with us, you're against us.
just dont like the way they've turned the whole "thought barto was wolfy, thought about voting him before the rp realization" into shade on mont while also defending themselves by saying they never pushed barto but also found him wolfy but its also nai now but also its kinda villagery. think it has w/w equity even!
But can't it be you?
I'm going to arbitrarily shield Barto for today so that he gets time to flourish for another day. (For the record, don't describe my FOS against Bart as a "confident wolfread.") Sunbae seems sketch this time. Vote: Sunbae
Hally only for anticipatory paranoia toward the slot.
I appreciate Vulgard for his density.
Liking Montmorency?s opener for calling out El Barto in #57, although the instant tying him to Sunbae feels somewhat bad. Liking Hally for questioning more or less the same issues I have with the post. Not too happy that Montmorency hasn?t posted since the original assessment of El Barto, waiting for more there.
Montmorency What do you think about Hally/Zack/Sunbae?s argument over treatment of El Barto and partly over treatment of you?
Seems normal. I think in this game D1 two people expressing similar susses in a short period of time is almost always not paired.
Real answer is mkre along the lines of: not a terrible thought but probably too sunbae centric for you to develop a good/accurate read on the solve for the game. If the wolf read was on vulgard instead of you how does that shape your read on me / zack?
Hypotheticals are bad. What happened is what happened - for a reason. Carry on.
tbh even though there was momentum on me i didn?t really think i would go over today because people hate killing someone active D1
though now that i say that i?ll probably get cfd?d lol
lol
I am really laughing rn Hally.
Are you laughing with me or at me?
i think the last time i played with rask where he was a villager was the org game where i was a wolf and dominated so maybe he?s just scared of me lol
Lotta foreshadowing going on these days.
nvm doesn?t look like mont is voting
or well, he is now :tongue:
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 23:02
"I appreciate the density" lmao.
how do i have 125 posts
actually disgusting lol
El Barto
07-24-2022, 23:05
I appreciate Vulgard for his density.
So if I act dense you'll appreciate me more then?
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 23:10
how do i have 125 posts
actually disgusting lol
https://i.gifer.com/YJH.gif
monty, talk about sunbae more?
El Barto
07-24-2022, 23:17
monty, talk about sunbae more?
Or just talk about anything more? When Raskolnikov and townie!Barto are posting more than you you're a pathological lurker.
Montmorency
07-24-2022, 23:26
i have 2 poop but it's still bugged on my phone so i have to stay at the computer holding it in for now
:square:
peepeepoopoo
Now it makes sense!
:eyebrows:
yep that's a monty post
You posted the exact same response last game. Calculated?
So if I act dense you'll appreciate me more then?
shush
Or just talk about anything more? When Raskolnikov and townie!Barto are posting more than you you're a pathological lurker.
Tortoise beats hare.
monty, talk about sunbae more?
Vote: Hally
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 23:27
I'm awake, why should I care about thread?
Players Votes
Vulgard 5 (Zack, EnderWiggin, Hally, nebjiamn, Sunbae)
Hally 3 (Raskolnikov, Vulgard, Montmorency)
nebjiamn 1 (El Barto)
whatthistextdo
believe this is correct
You posted the exact same response last game. Calculated?
:curtain:
just keep doing your thing
peepeepoopoo
Now it makes sense!
:eyebrows:
You posted the exact same response last game. Calculated?
shush
Tortoise beats hare.
Vote: Hally
????
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 23:31
Players Votes
Vulgard 5 (Zack, EnderWiggin, Hally, nebjiamn, Sunbae)
Hally 3 (Raskolnikov, Vulgard, Montmorency)
nebjiamn 1 (El Barto)
whatthistextdo
believe this is correct
Podracing.
Vote: Hally
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 23:33
y’all are on something
I'd say weed but that'd just make us more lethargic not more hyper.
really would prefer we dont kill hally here
gimme a good reason to townread vulgard that isn't a twisted form of TWTBAW
massive skill issue itt
- amrock
massive skill issue itt
- amrock
its legit reminding of the turbo where i almost went over TH d1
cupcakedog.gif
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 23:42
gimme a good reason to townread vulgard that isn't a twisted form of TWTBAW
I mean equal wagons is just fun.
Montmorency
07-24-2022, 23:42
I mean I don't think I've been uncharitable?
I think I've been very upfront about where my head is at this game -> how I am not wanting a serious werewolf game and looking to joke around with people. I think I've done exactly that and I'm having a good time. I've gotten to drop some goofy pastas, made some memes that I think are fun, and I've been sure to let people know to tell me if it starts treading into the direction of "annoying/obnoxious".
Despite that, I have sat here and tried to interject things that seem interesting to me in a way I take enjoyment out of. I wanted to talk to Zack about our read on you, it didn't really work out, that's ok I made sure to do a brief synopsis. You said that wasn't the case (not that i interpreted it wrong heres what you meant, nor any sort of misunderstanding. just that it literally didnt happen). There's not much more to say about that. I commented about Vulgard following what I expect a wolf to do with the way the game was shaping up but didn't press the matter. I commented on how from a macro perspective I've got some skepticism on how benneh/zack have interacted both with each other and with specifically me (we are people that usually vibe pretty well in threads so I thought it was noteworthy). I've got one piece of my brain looking at how you interacted with Vulgard in isolation and in relation to how you both interacted with me. I've got one piece of my brain looking at Zack and Benneh. There's the piece that's trying to work through Bartos stuff on me and figure out how much of it is RP vs serious thoughts (do they know that the iq stuff is a copy pasta and im trying to be absurd and don't really think any of that, do they think my vulgard vote is omgus, etc). Then you've got the piece that's trying to formulate these thoughts in ways that people giggle at when they read and keeps the game light. Are the people talking about Rask's absence onto something? I haven't seen wolf Rask, maybe they lay low while I get railroaded? If they are a wolf and they are laying low does that mean Vulgard/you are more likely to be town? Is it bad for me to call ender a villager for just dropping in with 5 random posts and bouncing because he was just doing his own thing?
But nobody, and I include myself in this, wants to read walls of word vomit so I try to prioritize/organize it into fun/goofy ways. Maybe it's not landing, maybe its one of those situations where i'm thinking we're all messing around having a good time but in reality im just the drunk sloppy person people are side eyeing like "please stop".
Uncharitable doesn't seem right though
Extensive activity self-synopsis oesn't sound like Sorc-Sunbae, does it? Much more egoistic. I could be wrong. Am I wrong? If I'm right Sunbae should be in the TDome.
I'm aware of the risk, but if you want to send Vulgard you'll have to work for it today.
I mean equal wagons is just fun.
honey i know you enjoy doing science, i meant the others
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 23:43
Oh wait there's two hours left, I can actually read the thread I missed.
Don't mind me I'm dumb.
Montmorency
07-24-2022, 23:43
Sorry, not Sorc, Sufjan.
Extensive activity self-synopsis oesn't sound like Sorc-Sunbae, does it? Much more egoistic. I could be wrong. Am I wrong? If I'm right Sunbae should be in the TDome.
I'm aware of the risk, but if you want to send Vulgard you'll have to work for it today.
that seems p normal for sunbae ime
Sorry, not Sorc, Sufjan.
he was a wolf in sufjan though? so him not sounding like that game is good, right?
Sorry, not Sorc, Sufjan.
you know he was a wolf in that right?
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 23:45
Extensive activity self-synopsis oesn't sound like Sorc-Sunbae, does it? Much more egoistic. I could be wrong. Am I wrong? If I'm right Sunbae should be in the TDome.
I'm aware of the risk, but if you want to send Vulgard you'll have to work for it today.
Sorry, not Sorc, Sufjan.
You realise Surfjan Sunbae was a wolf and if they're not playing like that it's a ... good look? Right?
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