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Montmorency
07-24-2022, 23:46
Honestly maybe it's just because I feel Sunbae's been talking about me the way ladd did last game, which may not be AI for non-ladd, but seems OC for town-Sunbae.
Montmorency
07-24-2022, 23:47
Wait, hold on a minute.
Montmorency
07-24-2022, 23:48
Damn you for making me multipost, but I'm right about where I needed to be right.
I didn't play Sufjan, I'm talking about Sorc.
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 23:48
????????????????
wtf is with these random ?there has to be a wolf in these people? reads everyone keeps making
why can?t we all be villagers? why do zack and i have to have to have a wolf? explain it like i?m 5
"I want to sus good players goes brrrrrrrrrr"
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 23:50
Damn you for making me multipost, but I'm right about where I needed to be right.
I didn't play Sufjan, I'm talking about Sorc.
I wasn't paying attention in Sorc so idk, I was a wolf.
Damn you for making me multipost, but I'm right about where I needed to be right.
I didn't play Sufjan, I'm talking about Sorc.
tbf he was a PR in sorc which tends to impact how people engage with pressure on them
Montmorency
07-24-2022, 23:51
I wasn't paying attention in Sorc so idk, I was a wolf.
Can you explain how you became consensus POE by D3 that time and how it does or doesn't apply here?
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 23:53
I'm interested in any Hally/Zack findings as that is part of my main susses on a gut front.
Keep digging soldier.
Zack's recent defense of Hally Ender for instance. I was even portrayed as someone having an agenda. geez
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 23:54
Can you explain how you became consensus POE by D3 that time and how it does or doesn't apply here?
Uh. I became consensus POE because I did the thing where I draw way too much attention to myself D1 as wolf and then couldn't shake it because I defended the wolf that died D1.
I do not intend to defend a wolf that dies D1 this game? Smile.
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 23:55
"I want to sus good players goes brrrrrrrrrr"
Friendship with Bladescape just ended.
Zack's recent defense of Hally Ender for instance. I was even portrayed as someone having an agenda. geez
but my reads are good and well-reasoned :yes:
Montmorency
07-24-2022, 23:57
Uh. I became consensus POE because I did the thing where I draw way too much attention to myself D1 as wolf and then couldn't shake it because I defended the wolf that died D1.
I do not intend to defend a wolf that dies D1 this game? Smile.
Perfect. How strongly do you feel about Hally?
I don't think Zack could be scum, he posted the sentence he used as town.
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 23:58
Zack's recent defense of Hally Ender for instance. I was even portrayed as someone having an agenda. geez
But do you though?
EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 23:58
Friendship with Bladescape just ended.
Single tear.
Raskolnikov
07-24-2022, 23:59
but my reads are good and well-reasoned :yes:
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EnderWiggin
07-24-2022, 23:59
Perfect. How strongly do you feel about Hally?
I don't think Zack could be scum, he posted the sentence he used as town.
Uh. Not that strongly.
I don't think I have a good grasp on her.
But that being said I haven't yet found any compelling reasons to sus her.
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EnderWiggin
07-25-2022, 00:04
- Ender is probably a villager. I squinted at the insinuation of iso'ing a past game of mine on d1 in a casual 9er that otherwise has been laid back and jokey from them, but for the most part I've thought they were fine and agendaless.
In my defense I was annoyed and channelled my annoyance into finding the strongest townread I can.
EnderWiggin
07-25-2022, 00:07
2) Why was EnderWiggin cluttering up the thread with this thing that they call shitposting?
https://i.imgflip.com/6nsj3g.jpg
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do you think ender is wolfy or something?
I thought his start was pretty meh but he's turned the corner, particularly around when he was giving vulgard the business
EnderWiggin
07-25-2022, 00:10
ah, the good ole ?wait people are voting with me now what if i?m wrong?
how i?ve missed you
Hello darkness, my old friend.
EnderWiggin
07-25-2022, 00:12
i think rask could be a wolf if vul is, yeah
if vul?s not i don?t really think it makes sense to go so hard on me over vul though? vul is definitely the easier push
i agree rask?s reasoning for pushing me is bad though
Counterpoint:
Rask is townish.
I was going to be more emphatic but I just wondered if he's turned how he played as wolf because I caught him last time.
EnderWiggin
07-25-2022, 00:13
i was thinking on if vul/barto could just be the team but not sure barto would opt to vote benneh there when his teammate vul is getting run up
I don't think Vul/Barto is the team tbh.
Counterpoint:
Rask is townish.
I was going to be more emphatic but I just wondered if he's turned how he played as wolf because I caught him last time.
i do lean town on him
EnderWiggin
07-25-2022, 00:14
maybe, they seem kind of disconnected though, feels more like an either/or situation 2 me
Zack has me pocketed. =P
EnderWiggin
07-25-2022, 00:14
though now that i say that i?ll probably get cfd?d lol
GET HER LADS
Raskolnikov
07-25-2022, 00:16
do you think ender is wolfy or something?
I thought his start was pretty meh but he's turned the corner, particularly around when he was giving vulgard the business
I think (good thing you asked me actually) if Vulgard is town I will have words with him. (like Ender literally sold the dude to Hally after her flipflop on you, and her past suspicions on him)
noticed it while rereading Hally
nebjiamn
07-25-2022, 00:17
:hide:
EnderWiggin
07-25-2022, 00:18
I think (good thing you asked me actually) if Vulgard is town I will have words with him. (like Ender literally sold the dude to Hally after her flipflop on you, and her past suspicions on him)
noticed it while rereading Hally
I run a slaving ring, what can I do, gotta do business, ya ken?
EnderWiggin
07-25-2022, 00:19
:hide:
Hi.
nebjiamn
07-25-2022, 00:20
Hi.
~:wave:
Raskolnikov
07-25-2022, 00:23
Zack has pocketed so many folks that we will all cheer up for him while he kicks our asses in F3
fmpov i find it hard to believe the suspicion on me has been pure
i’ve been active and made myself pretty findable here imo yet seemingly everyone has wolf read me at one point or another
first zack pushed me, then sunbae, then rask, then vul, then benneh and now monty is randomly voting me (ender i’m not counting because his vote on me doesn’t seem real)
feels like at least one wolf has capitalized on v!sunbae’s incorrect push to reinforce the suspicion on me because i honestly don’t get how this many villagers can’t find me here, but maybe it’s wishful thinking
the villagers voting me really have to do better though :shrug:
Zack has pocketed so many folks that we will all cheer up for him while he kicks our asses in F3
:bow:
Players Votes
Hally 4 (Raskolnikov, Vulgard, Montmorency, EnderWiggin)
Vulgard 4 (Zack, Hally, nebjiamn, Sunbae)
nebjiamn 1 (El Barto)
whatthistextdo
believe this is correct
I think (good thing you asked me actually) if Vulgard is town I will have words with him. (like Ender literally sold the dude to Hally after her flipflop on you, and her past suspicions on him)
noticed it while rereading Hally
ender didn’t sell me on vul being a wolf
not sure where you’re getting that from?
Montmorency
07-25-2022, 00:28
Uh. Not that strongly.
I don't think I have a good grasp on her.
But that being said I haven't yet found any compelling reasons to sus her.
I suppose. How do you feel about me voting Sunbae?
Visorslash the timer seems wrong? aren’t deadlines at 8pm EST?
nebjiamn
07-25-2022, 00:29
oh EOD is in 1.5 hours?
i thought it was in 30 mins
EnderWiggin
07-25-2022, 00:31
fmpov i find it hard to believe the suspicion on me has been pure
i?ve been active and made myself pretty findable here imo yet seemingly everyone has wolf read me at one point or another
first zack pushed me, then sunbae, then rask, then vul, then benneh and now monty is randomly voting me (ender i?m not counting because his vote on me doesn?t seem real)
feels like at least one wolf has capitalized on v!sunbae?s incorrect push to reinforce the suspicion on me because i honestly don?t get how this many villagers can?t find me here, but maybe it?s wishful thinking
the villagers voting me really have to do better though :shrug:
I have never wolfread you though. :)
Visorslash the timer seems wrong? aren’t deadlines at 8pm EST?
you're right (and i have no idea why, the timer is set to 8pm est, maybe its DSTing it up)
but day ends in 29 mins obv
EnderWiggin
07-25-2022, 00:31
I suppose. How do you feel about me voting Sunbae?
I support the freedom to vote who you want.
I just would disagree with the vote.
Players Votes
Hally 4 (Raskolnikov, Vulgard, Montmorency, EnderWiggin)
Vulgard 4 (Zack, Hally, nebjiamn, Sunbae)
nebjiamn 1 (El Barto)
whatthistextdo
EnderWiggin
07-25-2022, 00:32
you're right (and i have no idea why, the timer is set to 8pm est, maybe its DSTing it up)
but day ends in 29 mins obv
I suppose I better do this then.
Vote: Vulgard
My tie votes don't do anything anymore since everyone calls them out now.
I need to change how I do it.
nebjiamn
07-25-2022, 00:33
not a fan of monty's catchup here, especially the deflection that sunbae would need to work to get vulgard lunched today and that leading to a vote on hally for hally asking him to talk about sunbae more
i know we have wagons and all and people need to make a decision but this just feels sloppy
Players Votes
Vulgard 5 (Zack, Hally, nebjiamn, Sunbae, EnderWiggin)
Hally 3 (Raskolnikov, Vulgard, Montmorency)
nebjiamn 1 (El Barto)
whatthistextdo
not a fan of monty's catchup here, especially the deflection that sunbae would need to work to get vulgard lunched today and that leading to a vote on hally for hally asking him to talk about sunbae more
i know we have wagons and all and people need to make a decision but this just feels sloppy
i’m not a fan of it either
Raskolnikov
07-25-2022, 00:35
NGL I thought it was obvious it was a meme.
I meant everyone but my vote.
what are your other reads?
I had Sunbae gut wolfy early too but the complete lack of defense as people agreed with it make me ? it
Monty is probably town. Benneh is probably town. You're maybe town. The reason for you is weaker and boils down to "The read on me due to previous games where I was mislunched feels legit."
Also had El Barto as sus but that is something I used to do in the old days anyway so I'm ignoring it.
I also am sus of Vulgard actually.
Something something word salads.
That means I have too many susses and not enough bricks.
Hally. (not mentionning he jumped off to tie you up with him when returning to the thread)
nebjiamn
07-25-2022, 00:35
3) Why is nebjiamn refusing to cast a vote? Sunbae I still do not trust, but nebjiamn is just refusing to expose himself as voting for either of these (checks mafiawiki.org again) ?waggons?. Maybe he'll swoop in at the last minute, especially if he's equipped with a cellular telephone so that bodily functions shall not impede him in such an attempt, but, well, who knows. Do I qualify as this ?LHF??
Sunbae will not be lynched today, so vote:nebjiamn just to make a point.
Players Votes
Vulgard 5 (Zack, Hally, nebjiamn, Sunbae, EnderWiggin)
Hally 3 (Raskolnikov, Vulgard, Montmorency)
nebjiamn 1 (El Barto)
whatthistextdo
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Montmorency
07-25-2022, 00:36
I support the freedom to vote who you want.
I just would disagree with the vote.
More chill than I expected.
not really seeing sunbae's agenda here if wolf. he would have to be like, intentionally digging himself into a hole and denying himself easy outs out of pure stubbornness which seems like an odd way to go about it
:book2:
Heh
Vote: Sunbae
not a fan of monty's catchup here, especially the deflection that sunbae would need to work to get vulgard lunched today and that leading to a vote on hally for hally asking him to talk about sunbae more
i know we have wagons and all and people need to make a decision but this just feels sloppy
Lay it on thick.
Raskolnikov
07-25-2022, 00:36
ninjaed by Ender AND Visor. good job guys. gooooooooooood job
nebjiamn
07-25-2022, 00:37
I bet ender dies tonight
Raskolnikov
07-25-2022, 00:38
OK time to reread vulgard really quick and then try to be smart.
https://media3.giphy.com/media/l46CyJmS9KUbokzsI/giphy.gif
Hally. (not mentionning he jumped off to tie you up with him when returning to the thread)
him sussing vul there had nothing to do with me wolf reading vul and i don’t think he really tried to sell me on it, i got there on my own
also him jumping on me was obviously just to tie it so idc about it
Players Votes
Vulgard 5 (Zack, Hally, nebjiamn, Sunbae, EnderWiggin)
Hally 2 (Raskolnikov, Vulgard)
nebjiamn 1 (El Barto)
Sunbae 1 (Montmorency)
whatthistextdo
test
Hally can you talk about your read on rask more? is it just you think he is different from past wolf games?
i apologize for killing the thread with such a momentous question
EnderWiggin
07-25-2022, 00:42
i apologize for killing the thread with such a momentous question
You're forgiven.
nebjiamn
07-25-2022, 00:44
i apologize for killing the thread with such a momentous question
:sorry2:
EnderWiggin
07-25-2022, 00:46
I have to go help the newbies so probably won't be back before close of day.
G'luck peeps.
Montmorency
07-25-2022, 00:46
3. That's kind of like the whole "viewing people in terms of pushable vs not as the basis for the reads you're making" thing. Like I'm not sitting here breaking people into pushable or not categories, im just trying to figure out who is being wolfy or villagery. But you've got multiple instances where the lhf/pushability of people is at the forefront of your reads and i think its entirely possible its a mindstate issue where you *are* breaking people into that because you're trying to position yourself properly in the macro sense and it just bleeds through as logic for your other reads (like the one on me!).
Please, isn't it obvious that Sunbae-Hally need to TD? Look at this interesting reasoning.
this bart post keeps nagging at me
afaict he?s wolf reading sunbae for his tone being off in a meme post? and then he describes the interactions between me/sunbae/vul and seems to arbitrarily decide there?s a wolf in us three but i don?t see what about the stuff he?s describing would lead him to think we can?t all be villagers
it just seems like kind of a nonsense reason for a vote, and this was after me/benneh/vul all wolf read sunbae in succession so it?s a good spot for a wolf to pile on with some half-baked reasoning thinking they?re unlikely to be looked at too hard for it
Always a good process for catching Bart. Survivor of Sunbae-Hally should TD Bart.
Hally can you talk about your read on rask more? is it just you think he is different from past wolf games?
basically, and more specifically that i think it would be ballsy for zero-posting w!rask to push me and don’t remember him going after people like that when he was a wolf
i haven’t seen him wolf much though so i wouldn’t call it a strong read
tbh i’m getting skeeved out by how much he’s focused on me and not really developed reads on anyone else so idk
Raskolnikov
07-25-2022, 00:46
i apologize for killing the thread with such a momentous question
sorry, had a brief chat with my partner to dismiss suss as effectively as possible
Please, isn't it obvious that Sunbae-Hally need to TD? Look at this interesting reasoning.
Always a good process for catching Bart. Survivor of Sunbae-Hally should TD Bart.
no, it’s not obvious at all
nebjiamn
07-25-2022, 00:48
I have to go help the newbies so probably won't be back before close of day.
G'luck peeps.
ggwp
Raskolnikov
07-25-2022, 00:50
tbh i’m getting skeeved out by how much he’s focused on me and not really developed reads on anyone else so idk
Nice shade. There are loads of people not developing reads (like almost anyone but Sunbae), but here you are.
a bunch of posts suddenly appearing a nanosecond before i posted the bump emote is classic
Please, isn't it obvious that Sunbae-Hally need to TD? Look at this interesting reasoning.
Always a good process for catching Bart. Survivor of Sunbae-Hally should TD Bart.
I'm not really following why you're basing who the lunch candidates shoudl be on other people's reads rather than your own. :juggle:
basically, and more specifically that i think it would be ballsy for zero-posting w!rask to push me and don’t remember him going after people like that when he was a wolf
i haven’t seen him wolf much though so i wouldn’t call it a strong read
tbh i’m getting skeeved out by how much he’s focused on me and not really developed reads on anyone else so idk
he is skeeving me out a bit but no one else seems to really care, and I'm not sure why other than vague references to meta
sorry, had a brief chat with my partner to dismiss suss as effectively as possible
understandable have a nice day
Montmorency
07-25-2022, 00:51
no, it’s not obvious at all
I know Vulgard is being POEd, but I have my feelings about that, and there's no one slotted other than you two for D1, and moreover you Tdome together so well, which even you must admit.
See, my thing with not knowing what to do about the Barto post is this:
If you didn't know that post about Hally was a copypasta mocking Rick and Morty fans, and you thought that I was saying that stuff with any semblance of sincerity, then I think voting me is well within your right - nay, your duty - because it's awful
Wish he would stop harping on this, the initiative is in you saying "nothing personnel" = 'not on my team.'
Nice shade. There are loads of people not developing reads (like almost anyone but Sunbae), but here you are.
nah
Players Votes
Vulgard 5 (Zack, Hally, nebjiamn, Sunbae, EnderWiggin)
Hally 2 (Raskolnikov, Vulgard)
nebjiamn 1 (El Barto)
Sunbae 1 (Montmorency)
whatthistextdo
I know Vulgard is being POEd, but I have my feelings about that, and there's no one slotted other than you two for D1, and moreover you Tdome together so well, which even you must admit.
Wish he would stop harping on this, the initiative is in you saying "nothing personnel" = 'not on my team.'
i don’t know what your feelings about vul are, all you said is his posts are dense and they’re dense regardless of his alignment
nebjiamn
07-25-2022, 00:54
we're probably wrong
nebjiamn
07-25-2022, 00:55
i dont know how to fix that though
Montmorency
07-25-2022, 00:55
i don’t know what your feelings about vul are, all you said is his posts are dense and they’re dense regardless of his alignment
Interesting, but it's too late to develop the field now. All that's left is to ISO him if he flips red.
we're probably wrong
:stare:
Raskolnikov
07-25-2022, 00:55
Zack: because I am town. and it shows.
I don't think Hally has done much more than vulgard. But she got extremely defensive at several times today. Is here shading me and my vote for several hours now but can't find a potential suss on her own outside Tak (who she hasn't even pushed or he'd be about to die rn). :shrug:
sorry if wrong. glgl
we're probably wrong
why do you think so
nebjiamn
07-25-2022, 00:57
Interesting, but it's too late to develop the field now. All that's left is to ISO him if he flips red.
:stare:
:end:
nebjiamn
07-25-2022, 00:57
why do you think so
well, werewolf is an inherently probabilistic game
Zack: because I am town. and it shows.
I don't think Hally has done much more than vulgard. But she got extremely defensive at several times today. Is here shading me and my vote for several hours now but can't find a potential suss on her own outside Tak (who she hasn't even pushed or he'd be about to die rn). :shrug:
sorry if wrong. glgl
my sus on vulgard is literally what built his wagon
you keep saying stuff that’s just untrue
Zack: because I am town. and it shows.
I don't think Hally has done much more than vulgard. But she got extremely defensive at several times today. Is here shading me and my vote for several hours now but can't find a potential suss on her own outside Tak (who she hasn't even pushed or he'd be about to die rn). :shrug:
sorry if wrong. glgl
and yet you haven't posted a single napoleon dynamite gif
nebjiamn
07-25-2022, 00:59
dont mess with rask tomorrow
maybe look at zack
Players Votes
Vulgard 5 (Zack, Hally, nebjiamn, Sunbae, EnderWiggin)
Hally 2 (Raskolnikov, Vulgard)
nebjiamn 1 (El Barto)
Sunbae 1 (Montmorency)
whatthistextdo
Raskolnikov
07-25-2022, 00:59
my sus on vulgard is literally what built his wagon
you keep saying stuff that’s just untrue
I do think if Ender weren't there you wouldn't smh
dont mess with rask tomorrow
maybe look at zack
:stare:
nebjiamn
07-25-2022, 01:00
:pokemon::laugh:
Montmorency
07-25-2022, 01:00
dont mess with rask tomorrow
maybe look at zack
:end:
Raskolnikov
07-25-2022, 01:00
:bow:
day is over do not post
5 minutes for corrections
Players Votes
Vulgard 5 (Zack, Hally, nebjiamn, Sunbae, EnderWiggin)
Hally 2 (Raskolnikov, Vulgard)
nebjiamn 1 (El Barto)
Sunbae 1 (Montmorency)
Vulgard has been killed. They were Vanilla Town.
Day starts in 24 hours at 8pm Monday 25th of July.
Alive: (8/9)
1. Hally
2. Raskolnikov
3. Sunbae
4. nebjiamn
6. Montmorency
7. EnderWiggin
8. El Barto
9. Zack
Dead: (1/9)
5. Vulgard, Vanilla Town, died D1.
Raskolnikov has been killed. They were Vanilla Town.
Day ends in 48 hours at 8pm Wednesday the 27th of July.
Alive: (7/9)
1. Hally
3. Sunbae
4. nebjiamn
6. Montmorency
7. EnderWiggin
8. El Barto
9. Zack
Dead: (2/9)
5. Vulgard, Vanilla Town, died D1.
2. Raskolnikov, Vanilla Town, killed N1.
Day has started you may post.
i think rask looked better from vul flipping town but even so, i don’t get why he dies unless it’s explicitly to make me look worse because he was tunneling me
for some reason that kill makes me think benneh is a wolf but i can’t really articulate why
Sunbae
why'd you switch to vulgard?
i think rask looked better from vul flipping town but even so, i don’t get why he dies unless it’s explicitly to make me look worse because he was tunneling me
:computer:
lvl 1 NKA says barto looks good from that kill because i think rask was the only person to town read barto the entire day
meh idk
i was gonna be lazy and vote barto because i didn’t like how he parked off wagon and seemed to not care about the outcome when there were v/v wagons but truth be told i’m not sure that’s a good reason to suspect barto because he didn’t really even attempt to look like he cared D1 and the rask kill gives me pause about just mowing down the next person in my PoE
Sunbae
why'd you switch to vulgard?
Because I thought vulgard was wolfy and started wavering on Hally?
I think my posts explain pretty well why I started wavering on Hally. Listened about you/neb being towny if Hally was town (that's the whole "3 of you found each other and it took me longer" post after neb's post towards me). Thought ender/mont were towny. Thought Vulgard was wolfy. Voted vulgard without much concern. Didn't really know what to do with Bart. Thought rask only made sense with vulgard (had a post on that too). Seemed like the best vote all things considered.
Montmorency
07-26-2022, 01:14
Don't know what to tell you, but Vulgard was the towniest player of the day. Will you at least TDome Hally with Bart today, if not Sunbae?
If looking for a tinfoil angle, the Rask kill is something scum-Zack would do, so that could be a crumb for the postgame.
Hally, if you're a villager I'm going to punt Mont into the sun
My gut reaction to that eod and reveal was that I let hally off the hook. Those posts about being the reason for vulgards wagon were icky icky and for today i despise that opening sequence about weird kill/framing/means its neb
Don't know what to tell you, but Vulgard was the towniest player of the day. Will you at least TDome Hally with Bart today, if not Sunbae?
If looking for a tinfoil angle, the Rask kill is something scum-Zack would do, so that could be a crumb for the postgame.
lol
you barely even town read him or defended him
Hally, if you're a villager I'm going to punt Mont into the sun
start punting
Because I thought vulgard was wolfy and started wavering on Hally?
:computer:
where you at on them now? vulgard's flip change anything? i've been mulling over hally townreading vul for his initial weird response then sliding over to wolf-reading him as being possible Wolfy Stuff that I looked over because I though vul was wolfy and had it in my head that hally hedging a bunch = more like village meta
Don't know what to tell you, but Vulgard was the towniest player of the day.
based on what?
If looking for a tinfoil angle, the Rask kill is something scum-Zack would do, so that could be a crumb for the postgame.
~:confused:
Hally, if you're a villager I'm going to punt Mont into the sun
https://media3.giphy.com/media/l3fZLMbuCOqJ82gec/giphy.gif
hmm?
My gut reaction to that eod and reveal was that I let hally off the hook. Those posts about being the reason for vulgards wagon were icky icky and for today i despise that opening sequence about weird kill/framing/means its neb
you don’t think it’s a weird kill fmpov? the guy that did nothing but tunnel me and wasn’t particularly town read died
it’s pretty silly to suggest i shouldn’t be weirded out by it
also what’s icky about saying i was the reason for vul’s wagon? i was being run up, vul had a vote or two but not much momentum atp, then i started pushing him and you (sunbae) and benneh both voted him
i think i definitely played a major role in solidifying it and getting momentum there and even if you disagree with that i don’t get how it’s fully for me to take credit for a villager being wagoned? weird read
also what’s icky about saying i was the reason for vul’s wagon? i was being run up, vul had a vote or two but not much momentum atp, then i started pushing him and you (sunbae) and benneh both voted him
i think i definitely played a major role in solidifying it and getting momentum there and even if you disagree with that i don’t get how it’s fully for me to take credit for a villager being wagoned? weird read
*wolfy not fully
i want to punt monty simply for that "Don't know what to tell you, but Vulgard was the towniest player of the day"
:computer:
where you at on them now? vulgard's flip change anything? i've been mulling over hally townreading vul for his initial weird response then sliding over to wolf-reading him as being possible Wolfy Stuff that I looked over because I though vul was wolfy and had it in my head that hally hedging a bunch = more like village meta
yeah, i should have stuck with my town read but i honestly couldn’t get past his vote on me
seriously, if anyone can read that sequence of posts and explain to me how vul ended up voting me from the posts leading up to it i’ll give you a billion dollars
but fmpov i was getting piled on for ?? reasons and then i see vul write some mumbo jumbo about the gamestate that points away from voting me, push ender then immediately back off and use that interaction to pivot to voting me for “gamestate”
it was pretty terrible and i still don’t understand it even with him flipping town :shrug:
:computer:
where you at on them now? vulgard's flip change anything? i've been mulling over hally townreading vul for his initial weird response then sliding over to wolf-reading him as being possible Wolfy Stuff that I looked over because I though vul was wolfy and had it in my head that hally hedging a bunch = more like village meta
Vulgard's flip does change some stuff, yeah. By my last stint in the thread I had decided the way Hally interacted about Vulgard wasn't w/w, and I thought that if Vulgard was a wolf then Hally's read of the game state throughout day 1 was pretty good with you/neb being villa and that coupled with my feelings on Ender would make the game pretty clear cut.
With it not being the case I've gotta work through the various options. If Hally is a wolf I don't think Mont or Barto can be wolves with the way Mont has been trying to get a Hally thunderdone going and the way Hally tried to vote for Barto as the day progressed and needed a non-Hally wagon. I'm back at my "If it's Hally, the way they kept defending Neb/Zack to me makes me think it's because it's one of you" thought that I had at one point yesterday.
If Hally is a villager then the main wagons all day were all town between me/vulgard/hally. If that's the case I think my first look is Mont for vocally defending vVulgard while tryng to turn me/hally into a thunderdome given it seemed obvious reading it that Vulgard was dying as that eod progressed. I have that lingering Zack/Neb fear still that I'm trying to squash but I, how to say this without being obnoxious, feel like if the team is zack/neb and I've been barking up that tree a lot day 1 you two just rid yourselves of me? Maybe that's silly with the way I got heat during day 1 but it's how I feel so shrug emoji.
So I'm currently juggling a few different worlds of like Hally + you/neb or Mont + Barto or maybe something weird like Barto + Neb where it was just a stuck vote on a teammate while villagers were getting wagoned.
Gonna try and work through it over the next little bit and see where I land
Zack, what do you think Hally's alignment is. Think this one is the key to solving the game
Vulgard's flip does change some stuff, yeah. By my last stint in the thread I had decided the way Hally interacted about Vulgard wasn't w/w, and I thought that if Vulgard was a wolf then Hally's read of the game state throughout day 1 was pretty good with you/neb being villa and that coupled with my feelings on Ender would make the game pretty clear cut.
With it not being the case I've gotta work through the various options. If Hally is a wolf I don't think Mont or Barto can be wolves with the way Mont has been trying to get a Hally thunderdone going and the way Hally tried to vote for Barto as the day progressed and needed a non-Hally wagon. I'm back at my "If it's Hally, the way they kept defending Neb/Zack to me makes me think it's because it's one of you" thought that I had at one point yesterday.
If Hally is a villager then the main wagons all day were all town between me/vulgard/hally. If that's the case I think my first look is Mont for vocally defending vVulgard while tryng to turn me/hally into a thunderdome given it seemed obvious reading it that Vulgard was dying as that eod progressed. I have that lingering Zack/Neb fear still that I'm trying to squash but I, how to say this without being obnoxious, feel like if the team is zack/neb and I've been barking up that tree a lot day 1 you two just rid yourselves of me? Maybe that's silly with the way I got heat during day 1 but it's how I feel so shrug emoji.
So I'm currently juggling a few different worlds of like Hally + you/neb or Mont + Barto or maybe something weird like Barto + Neb where it was just a stuck vote on a teammate while villagers were getting wagoned.
Gonna try and work through it over the next little bit and see where I land
fwiw I don't think ender/hally makes a ton of sense as w/w either given how ender tied them up in a tense spot basically for the lols
but I guess you aren't considering him anyway
you don’t think it’s a weird kill fmpov? the guy that did nothing but tunnel me and wasn’t particularly town read died
it’s pretty silly to suggest i shouldn’t be weirded out by it
I think it's weird to jump in like that, yeah but I don't think it's anything large enough to overwrite any other opinions
fwiw I don't think ender/hally makes a ton of sense as w/w either given how ender tied them up in a tense spot basically for the lols
but I guess you aren't considering him anyway
My only concern with Ender is the whole claiming they iso'd a previous game of mine but I think that's mostly just me being confused by it than it being actually wolfy
Montmorency
07-26-2022, 01:39
Hally, if you're a villager I'm going to punt Mont into the sun
Vote: Sunbae
lol
you barely even town read him or defended him
Incorrect. Check my ISO.
Vote: Hally
https://i.imgur.com/EeYtIBY.jpg
based on what?
~:confused:
Tone, process, lack of agenda. What else is there?
:confused:
You know you would do it, if you were mafia. :sneaky:
i want to punt monty simply for that "Don't know what to tell you, but Vulgard was the towniest player of the day"
But not Neb? :confused:
Zack, what do you think Hally's alignment is. Think this one is the key to solving the game
:shrug:
tbd, need to sort through some things and don't have a quick answer ready
Tone, process, lack of agenda. What else is there?
those are buzzwords
But not Neb? :confused:
what does that have anything to do with that post?
sunbae is scaring me honestly
fmpov i keep making normal posts that he then twists as wolfy for reasons i don’t understand and it doesn’t seem like he’s really trying to see why i might think those things, he just jumps to calling them wolfy
like, i really don’t think my posting has been bad this game, straight up
sometimes when i’m being wolf read incorrectly i get it and recognize i haven’t been posting well but this game i’ve been making posts that are completely normal both for me and generally imo, yet people seem unable to find me and sunbae, who knows me and i think generally reads me decently, has been a driving force of it
seriously, am i that hard to find here? cuz i don’t think i should be and i feel like i’m taking crazy pills lol
mum and dad are fighting again ~:mecry:
sunbae is scaring me honestly
fmpov i keep making normal posts that he then twists as wolfy for reasons i don’t understand and it doesn’t seem like he’s really trying to see why i might think those things, he just jumps to calling them wolfy
like, i really don’t think my posting has been bad this game, straight up
sometimes when i’m being wolf read incorrectly i get it and recognize i haven’t been posting well but this game i’ve been making posts that are completely normal both for me and generally imo, yet people seem unable to find me and sunbae, who knows me and i think generally reads me decently, has been a driving force of it
seriously, am i that hard to find here? cuz i don’t think i should be and i feel like i’m taking crazy pills lol
like, i’ve posted 150 times yet like nobody v reads me, which leads me to think i must be doing something wrong but i don’t get what because fmpov i’m just making normal posts that people hate for some reason and i really can’t help but feel wolves are fueling that or at least capitalizing on it
Montmorency
07-26-2022, 01:49
Tone, process, lack of agenda. What else is there?
Sorry, should have included slot position in the game state.
those are buzzwords
Prove it.
what does that have anything to do with that post?
we're probably wrong
i dont know how to fix that though
He was the wrong person at the wrong time to post that, but it's probably NAI. Not sure why it's below your notice but you shade me for correctly being skeptical of the thread consensus on Vulgard.
sunbae is scaring me honestly
fmpov i keep making normal posts that he then twists as wolfy for reasons i don’t understand and it doesn’t seem like he’s really trying to see why i might think those things, he just jumps to calling them wolfy
like, i really don’t think my posting has been bad this game, straight up
sometimes when i’m being wolf read incorrectly i get it and recognize i haven’t been posting well but this game i’ve been making posts that are completely normal both for me and generally imo, yet people seem unable to find me and sunbae, who knows me and i think generally reads me decently, has been a driving force of it
seriously, am i that hard to find here? cuz i don’t think i should be and i feel like i’m taking crazy pills lol
Is it Sun-Mont?
Currently everyone town-reads you except maybe me or Sunbae.
i don't really have a problem with sunbae's posts about hally ftr (not sure i agree with the conclusion but that's a different thing)
i don't ermember having much issue with hally's posts in the moment but everyone seems to think they're wolfy so i'm feeling paranoid that I'm missing something or doing another ladd in that 13er situation where the reasons don't appeal to me so I assume the conclusion is wrong.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/run.gif
monty still isn't making a lick of sense afaict and his POV on vulgard just rings false
I am literally, on this page, spending my time asking people about you + explaining where I am at on you in detail including who I think you could be partnered with or who is trying to capitalize on things if you're town. With examples. I am also, quite clearly, factoring in your view of the gamestate in my own opinions and trying to see things from your pov. I don't understand why that's the scary frustrating part of what's happening. I've spent more time in this game on you than anyone else.
I think it's weird to jump in like that, yeah but I don't think it's anything large enough to overwrite any other opinions
i mean, i was thinking wolves would leave rask alive and i would have to spend 48 hours trying to fend off his tunnel to the point where i was trying to mentally prepare myself not to get too annoyed at him so lol
Sorry, should have included slot position in the game state.
Prove it.
He was the wrong person at the wrong time to post that, but it's probably NAI. Not sure why it's below your notice but you shade me for correctly being skeptical of the thread consensus on Vulgard.
Is it Sun-Mont?
Currently everyone town-reads you except maybe me or Sunbae.
saying "we;re probably wrong" pre-flip is not like declaratively stating vulgard was THE VILLAGIEST IN THE GAME after the fact. that should be obvious and it seems disingenuous of you to suggest they're the same
i mean, i was thinking wolves would leave rask alive and i would have to spend 48 hours trying to fend off his tunnel to the point where i was trying to mentally prepare myself not to get too annoyed at him so lol
Can you tell me why you were so certain they were a villager? I know I was skeptical at points yesterday, especially once I thought Vulgard was a wolf and you two weren't w/w with the way they came at you while the wagons were you/vulgard.
Sorry, should have included slot position in the game state.
Prove it.
He was the wrong person at the wrong time to post that, but it's probably NAI. Not sure why it's below your notice but you shade me for correctly being skeptical of the thread consensus on Vulgard.
Is it Sun-Mont?
Currently everyone town-reads you except maybe me or Sunbae.
i don’t think that’s true
the only one who explicitly town read me and tried to stop my wagon D1 was zack
everyone else had me as nullish or wolfy afair
Montmorency
07-26-2022, 01:53
saying "we;re probably wrong" pre-flip is not like declaratively stating vulgard was THE VILLAGIEST IN THE GAME after the fact. that should be obvious and it seems disingenuous of you to suggest they're the same
It's not, since I was offering the most skepticism before the fact. It's just consistency.
i mean, i was thinking wolves would leave rask alive and i would have to spend 48 hours trying to fend off his tunnel to the point where i was trying to mentally prepare myself not to get too annoyed at him so lol
you were that confident he was v?
Vote: Mont
I might be a sucker but Hally's insistence that they were going to have to fend off rask for 48 hours and that they have no idea why they aren't an obvious villager is getting me.
If hally's a villager I think mont's approach to yesterdays eod knowing vulgard is going over is just trying to accrue credit and set up the villa thunderdome between me/hally the next day
It's not, since I was offering the most skepticism before the fact. It's just consistency.
I don't remember you really making a serious push to save him, or to even explain the read (and you still haven't in any real sense), then you come in today with a post like that and it immediately sets off alarm bells for me. You LOVE to white-knight villas like that as a wolf
I don't remember you really making a serious push to save him, or to even explain the read (and you still haven't in any real sense), then you come in today with a post like that and it immediately sets off alarm bells for me. You LOVE to white-knight villas like that as a wolf
ok yeah, im good with this
I am literally, on this page, spending my time asking people about you + explaining where I am at on you in detail including who I think you could be partnered with or who is trying to capitalize on things if you're town. With examples. I am also, quite clearly, factoring in your view of the gamestate in my own opinions and trying to see things from your pov. I don't understand why that's the scary frustrating part of what's happening. I've spent more time in this game on you than anyone else.
i just feel like you’re doing a lot of talking to others about me and not much to me directly
afair you’ve barely asked me anything or interacted with me, you’ve mostly been talking to zack and benneh
Montmorency
07-26-2022, 02:00
i don’t think that’s true
the only one who explicitly town read me and tried to stop my wagon D1 was zack
everyone else had me as nullish or wolfy afair
Ok, let me put it as no one else scum-reads you, as of SOD. I can't technically vouch for the players yet to appear, but the EOD status of Neb, Barto, and Ender AFAIK was away from SRing you. Ender for his part definitively defended you, beyond his fake vote.
Vote: Mont
I might be a sucker but Hally's insistence that they were going to have to fend off rask for 48 hours and that they have no idea why they aren't an obvious villager is getting me.
If hally's a villager I think mont's approach to yesterdays eod knowing vulgard is going over is just trying to accrue credit and set up the villa thunderdome between me/hally the next day
Vote: Sunbae
And you could be setting up chained MLs of Hally-Monty FTW. There's always a way out.
I don't remember you really making a serious push to save him, or to even explain the read (and you still haven't in any real sense), then you come in today with a post like that and it immediately sets off alarm bells for me.
How serious does it need to be? "Vulgard is 100% town and you'd better oust him over my dead body"? I laid out a pretty clear POE, even if the "reasons" will never be to your standard.
You LOVE to white-knight villas like that as a wolf
Remind me, genuinely.
Can you tell me why you were so certain they were a villager? I know I was skeptical at points yesterday, especially once I thought Vulgard was a wolf and you two weren't w/w with the way they came at you while the wagons were you/vulgard.
what about that post suggests i was so certain?
i did think rask was probably a villager (and i even thought that before vul’s flip though i had reservations)
it wasn’t a LOCK CLEAR read but yea, i thought he was v
Vote: Mont
I might be a sucker but Hally's insistence that they were going to have to fend off rask for 48 hours and that they have no idea why they aren't an obvious villager is getting me.
If hally's a villager I think mont's approach to yesterdays eod knowing vulgard is going over is just trying to accrue credit and set up the villa thunderdome between me/hally the next day
to clarify i don’t think i should be an obvious villager per se
i think it’s reasonable to have some doubts on me, i just think the amount of suspicion i’ve received has been wildly out of proportion relative to the quality of my play
[snip]
I appreciate Vulgard for his density.
[snip]
I know Vulgard is being POEd, but I have my feelings about that, and there's no one slotted other than you two for D1, and moreover you Tdome together so well, which even you must admit.
[snip]
i think these are the only times monty mentioned vul
am i missing something?
there’s a certain smugness and audacity to monty’s “vul was the most obvious villager itg” after making those two nothingburger posts about him D1 that i kinda wanna town read
but on the other hand, i don’t really buy he genuinely believes that or really anything else he’s said today
the supreme confidence that sunbae and i need to thunderdome feels like it’s just pulled from a hat :shrug:
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 02:44
Vote: Zack
Hi.
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 02:45
Could punt Monty too.
Raskol was obv town but idk why they get blasted like that, gonna check their ISO in a bit just in case.
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 02:46
This is my obligitory "I'm an obvious town please read me as obvious town uwu" post.
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 02:47
Benneh is maybe in blasting range too. Pending his arrival to thread.
Hally and Sunbae make up my "No blast zone" tbh and the whole "Thunderdome em" thing is shocking.
Who am I forgetting in this.
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 02:48
Oh yeah Barto exists. Can be no blast zone too for now.
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 02:49
NGL tho, I actually thought Vul was gonna flip wolf up until he didn't.
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 02:50
Actually who had the "I'm gonna look stupid but I townread this" sequence with Vul?
Because that probably should deserve some scrutiny.
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 02:53
My only concern with Ender is the whole claiming they iso'd a previous game of mine but I think that's mostly just me being confused by it than it being actually wolfy
Am I not allowed to ISO previous games when I think a specific game holds the keys to someone's alignment??????????????????????
i haven?t thought too deeply about this but off the dome i don?t really think zack makes much sense as a wolf with anyone except benneh
why do you wolf read him ender?
Actually who had the "I'm gonna look stupid but I townread this" sequence with Vul?
Because that probably should deserve some scrutiny.
i think it was rask :tongue:
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 02:57
i think it was rask :tongue:
Uhhhhhhhhhh.
Strike that cap'n
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 02:59
i haven?t thought too deeply about this but off the dome i don?t really think zack makes much sense as a wolf with anyone except benneh
why do you wolf read him ender?
Zack's poked at a lot of things but I never feel like he's trying hard to direct thread which implies he's comfortable with letting other people lead it which doesn't feel congruent with how town is dying right now.
Also just gut tells me he's a wolf. Which is pretty dumb.
Also I don't think Benneh is wolf with Monty and if Zack is town I'm townreading a wolf.
Not impossible but not what I'm thinking about now.
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 03:00
Also he fits really well into IAWY's famous "vibe tell" about wolves who are there but I can't remember much about their stances without going back and checking their ISO.
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 03:00
Compared to how I could tell you some of Monty's, yours, Sunbae's, etc stances off the top of my head because they stick with me.
i feel like what you said applies more to benneh than zack?
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 03:05
i feel like what you said applies more to benneh than zack?
I'm giving Benneh a chance to enter thread before I point guns that way tho.
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 03:09
Why do you think Zack's only partner is Benneh btw?
Why do you think Zack's only partner is Benneh btw?
off the top of my head:
- his interactions with sunbae don’t seem like they’re on the same page to me
- i doubt you’d keep pushing him as w/w
- he’s going pretty hard at monty when i’m not sure he’d need to yet
- he’s been wolf reading barto consistently since the start of the game
it’s possible he’s bussing one of mont/bart but at least according to visor he’s not much of a busser as wolf so i dunno
El Barto why’d you vote benneh D1?
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 03:28
Don't be like me kids and reload a page waiting to see more replies and not noticing the new page.
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 03:30
off the top of my head:
- his interactions with sunbae don’t seem like they’re on the same page to me
- i doubt you’d keep pushing him as w/w
- he’s going pretty hard at monty when i’m not sure he’d need to yet
- he’s been wolf reading barto consistently since the start of the game
it’s possible he’s bussing one of mont/bart but at least according to visor he’s not much of a busser as wolf so i dunno
He's not an aggressive busser, I agree, but I am moderately sure I remember he has the ability to bus if he deems it necessary.
Caveat of I'm relying on 6 year old memories
He's not an aggressive busser, I agree, but I am moderately sure I remember he has the ability to bus if he deems it necessary.
Caveat of I'm relying on 6 year old memories
yeah i’m sure he’s capable of it but he was early to the barto sus D1 and the monty sus today
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 03:59
for some reason that kill makes me think benneh is a wolf but i can?t really articulate why
In a game without PRs there?s 0 chance I?m not killing into the triumvirate of you/Zack/sunbae itg
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 04:01
Not caught up nor available now but dislike Hallys incoming NKA including the post about it looking good for barto
doesn?t feel sincere but I?ll preface with the fact I?ve literally read ~10 posts so far
just a gut reaction
if we’re making “i would always kill X if i was a wolf” arguments, i would always kill sunbae
he was my main pusher D1 besides rask and although he did waver on it late D1 w!me wouldn’t risk him coming back to the read
i would much rather try my luck with rask tunneling me because he had less thread pull particularly with zack/benneh and i don’t think he was as town read
Not caught up nor available now but dislike Hallys incoming NKA including the post about it looking good for barto
doesn?t feel sincere but I?ll preface with the fact I?ve literally read ~10 posts so far
just a gut reaction
thread don’t wolf read completely normal hally posts challenge (impossible)
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 04:21
If we're self nka'ing I never kill Rask because I want to pocket him
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 04:23
thread don’t wolf read completely normal hally posts challenge (impossible)
God damn this post is wolfy.
what about that post suggests i was so certain?
i did think rask was probably a villager (and i even thought that before vul?s flip though i had reservations)
it wasn?t a LOCK CLEAR read but yea, i thought he was v
The part where you specifically say you thought overnight that the wolves were going to leave Rask alive to the degree that you were mentally preparing yourself to be tunneled for 48 hours?
God damn this post is wolfy.
I think I've decided that I'm just going to ignore the n1 kill and subsequent responses wrt Hally's alignment and make my decision elsewhere. I think Hally's responses at the start of today are weird, but I've been trying to swap pov's and ask "is this how I respond when I kill someone that's been tunneling me and try to get out in front of it" as well as "is this how I respond as town when someone that tunneled me died and I have no idea why and just kind of panic about it being a frame job". I can see both and, frankly, this is just the levely portion that I think just gets me in trouble more often than I'd prefer.
I'm going to take a step back and ask myself "is hally trying to solve peoples alignments or not" That's it. It's simple and it doesn't need to be more complicated. Does Hally give a damn about being correct or is it just words for the sake of words.
I currently think the answer is "I think so"? They've clearly spent a lot of time on me and gone back and forth on the answer there. They've gone back and forth with Vulgard. They've poked at Barto, talked about Rask, and came into today skeptical about Neb (side note: I'd like to hear more about that wolf read). I also think they've been more proactive than reactive wrt poking/prodding in different directions and seem to be coming up with their own thoughts rather than piggybacking others.
I'm not locked in there and I know I'll disappointedCelticsFandotjpg myself if I get away from there again and end up being wrong, but right this second that's where my head is at.
The part where you specifically say you thought overnight that the wolves were going to leave Rask alive to the degree that you were mentally preparing yourself to be tunneled for 48 hours?
but wolves can’t NK themselves so he would be alive regardless of whether he’s a villager who wolves leave alive to tunnel me or a wolf who’s decided to hard push me, and it would be annoying either way
me mentally preparing myself to be annoyed at him has nothing to do with his alignment (though again, i thought he was a villager during the night)
the point is i really didn’t expect him to die
God damn this post is wolfy.
(i’m pretty sure this post is a joke about people wolf reading my posts not a serious wolf read, sunbae)
fmpov i find it hard to believe the suspicion on me has been pure
i?ve been active and made myself pretty findable here imo yet seemingly everyone has wolf read me at one point or another
first zack pushed me, then sunbae, then rask, then vul, then benneh and now monty is randomly voting me (ender i?m not counting because his vote on me doesn?t seem real)
feels like at least one wolf has capitalized on v!sunbae?s incorrect push to reinforce the suspicion on me because i honestly don?t get how this many villagers can?t find me here, but maybe it?s wishful thinking
the villagers voting me really have to do better though :shrug:
side note, if this list of 7 people (including ender) are the villagers im gonna call this the funniest post I've seen in a werewolf game.
Like, the sheer audacity of listing 7 people voting them in a 9er, saying "at least one wolf has capitalized on this", and then telling them all to do better as a wolf is just absolutely peak comedy if it's all villagers
(i’m pretty sure this post is a joke about people wolf reading my posts not a serious wolf read, sunbae)
"It's come to my attention that I read a joke as serious. I just want to say one thing to the fans and everybody in Org Nation. I’m sorry. Extremely sorry. I were hoping for an unblemished meme game. That was my goal. It’s something an MUer’s never done here. But I promise you one thing: a lot of good will come out of this.
“You have never seen any player in the entire play list play as memey as I will play the rest of this game, and you’ll never see someone make the rest of the list laugh as hard as I will the rest of this game. You’ll never see a game laugh harder than we will the rest of this. God bless.”
— Tim Tebow"
- Sunbae
but wolves can’t NK themselves so he would be alive regardless of whether he’s a villager who wolves leave alive to tunnel me or a wolf who’s decided to hard push me, and it would be annoying either way
me mentally preparing myself to be annoyed at him has nothing to do with his alignment (though again, i thought he was a villager during the night)
the point is i really didn’t expect him to die
Ok, I understand. I was squinting at whether it was a slip but I don't think it is. Your answer makes sense. I know I've pestered you a lot this game, just trying to do my best. I know it can't be pleasant to be on the receiving end of when it's like every post you make gets scrutinized.
Oh yeah Barto exists. Can be no blast zone too for now.
I'd be interested in fleshing out a barto read
Neb, can you explain what made you think we were wrong near eod yesterday? I'm assuming it was some eod vibes but sometimes those are harder to pick up on reading them overnight compared to being there in real time.
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 07:59
(i?m pretty sure this post is a joke about people wolf reading my posts not a serious wolf read, sunbae)
<3 Tis true
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 08:02
I'm trying to think about if I'm wrong about Hally rn tbh. That's the one place I'm not 100% sure about.
I don't think I'm wrong about Sunbae. I should probably review this but I'm unreasonably confident in Sunbae flipping town.
Wish Raskol was alive still because then we could do the "we three villagers make bad mistakes" routine but anyway.
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 08:04
Next question:
"Is Neb a wolf?"
Well guess what folks.
I'm thinking it's more and more likely.
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 08:10
And in typical Ender fashion I'm going to make a crazy ass move:
The wolf team is not Zack/Neb.
99%.
The 1% is me being stupid.
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 08:28
Reason being that there's no drive for the Raskol kill if they were together + treatment of the other late
re: benneh, i don’t know if i’d call it a wolf read really but i’ll walk through my thought process anyway
i think the rask kill makes sense for a team that wasn’t really threatened D1 and can afford to kill someone just to cast me in a negative light and continue the incorrect status quo. rask wasn’t really pushing anyone besides me so he wasn’t an active threat to any wolves D1 readswise. he also wasn’t that townread and didn’t have really any thread pull so i don’t think he was positioned as a likely NK. maybe i’m missing something but from my perspective as a villager the only motivation i can really see for N1ing rask is making me look bad.
but it’s not like i wouldn’t still be suspected if wolves make a more conventional SPK in zack/benneh/sunbae and left rask alive to keep tunneling me. wolves didn’t do that though, they killed outside a trio of strong players who had largely found each other D1. i think that probably doesn’t happen if all three of them are villagers, right? wouldn’t any combination of barto/mont/ender just kill whichever of zack/benneh/sunbae is most threatening to them to break up that trio?
so i think the rask kill points to that trio not being pure. but even if it’s not pure the wolf(s) in that group can still kill into, so i don’t know why they didn’t. maybe because the villagers in the trio were wrong D1 and the wolf(s) didn’t feel threatened by them? maybe because the wolf(s) didn’t want to kill into it because then they stick out when they don’t die? i don’t really know.
but basically, i thought there being a wolf in the normal SPKs could explain why wolves didn’t kill into that group and why they felt unthreatened enough to do a frame kill in rask. i think sunbae is implicated less because he had a fair amount of suspicion on him D1 and was also wrong on me/vulgard so it makes sense to leave him alive. and of zack/benneh, i think benneh is less villagery? his posts sound fine to me but on a macro level i feel like his D1 was very low impact and he didn’t really stick his neck out for any reads and just kinda let stuff happen which makes sense coming from a wolf in a thread where villagers (me/vul/sunbae) were the main ones getting heat largely driven by other villagers.
so that’s how the thought came to be. keep in mind this was really just a snap thought in response to the kill combined with some paranoia overnight that i gave benneh a pass too easily and i’m trying to put it into words / flesh it out to see if it makes sense. i’m not exactly sure it does because i do kinda believe benneh when he says he would just kill one of me/sunbae/zack, buuuut what if it’s benneh/zack and they think they can kill rask and then whisper sweet nothings in sunbae’s ear to get him to keep pushing me? idk honestly, i kinda think this idea was dumb and i should stop going down this rabbit hole but now i took the time to write it out so i’m just gonna post it and maybe someone will get something out of it. :tounge:
side note, if this list of 7 people (including ender) are the villagers im gonna call this the funniest post I've seen in a werewolf game.
Like, the sheer audacity of listing 7 people voting them in a 9er, saying "at least one wolf has capitalized on this", and then telling them all to do better as a wolf is just absolutely peak comedy if it's all villagers
:curtain:
Ok, I understand. I was squinting at whether it was a slip but I don't think it is. Your answer makes sense. I know I've pestered you a lot this game, just trying to do my best. I know it can't be pleasant to be on the receiving end of when it's like every post you make gets scrutinized.
it is a bit annoying (not just from you, i’ve been getting it from everyone) but it’s a mafia game, i get it lol
I think (good thing you asked me actually) if Vulgard is town I will have words with him. (like Ender literally sold the dude to Hally after her flipflop on you, and her past suspicions on him)
noticed it while rereading Hally
there?s also this re: ender
but i don?t really think ender is a wolf?
tbh i don’t even know why i town read ender as much as i do, but i just… do
he just seems like a carefree villager doing his own thing idk
EnderWiggin
07-26-2022, 08:51
tbh i don’t even know why i town read ender as much as i do, but i just… do
he just seems like a carefree villager doing his own thing idk
It's cause I pocketed you.
It's cause I pocketed you.
honestly? yeah
but i’llallowit.gif
Vote: Zack
Hi.
I'm an obvious town please read me as obvious town uwu
I wanted to see how benneh posted this phase before saying anything about him, but I'm worried I just have him a pass d1 out of want more than anything
he's not responding in the #motivating-benneh channel either
tbh i don’t even know why i town read ender as much as i do, but i just… do
he just seems like a carefree villager doing his own thing idk
he seems pretty different to the sorc game, where his posts made me think wolfy wolfy wolfy
here I see him and just think aight keep vibin dude
there’s a certain smugness and audacity to monty’s “vul was the most obvious villager itg” after making those two nothingburger posts about him D1 that i kinda wanna town read
but on the other hand, i don’t really buy he genuinely believes that or really anything else he’s said today
the supreme confidence that sunbae and i need to thunderdome feels like it’s just pulled from a hat :shrug:
your hedging is starting to freak me out
your hedging is starting to freak me out
i think it was who amrock described me as the most indecisive, hedgiest villager ever and i wear that badge with honor
Zack's poked at a lot of things but I never feel like he's trying hard to direct thread which implies he's comfortable with letting other people lead it which doesn't feel congruent with how town is dying right now.
Also just gut tells me he's a wolf. Which is pretty dumb.
Also I don't think Benneh is wolf with Monty and if Zack is town I'm townreading a wolf.
Not impossible but not what I'm thinking about now.
I definitely did put my neck out to try and get people off hally yesterday, but you are also just describing how I usually play as town?
I don't even understand what you mean by "with how town is dying now" it's early d2
fwiw I am probably not going to be around much Tuesday but will have time on Wednesday
what’s monty’s wolf game like?
Montmorency can you link me one?
Players Votes
Montmorency 2 (Sunbae, Zack)
Zack 1 (EnderWiggin)
Sunbae 1 (Montmorency)
whatthistextdo
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 14:43
morning
catching up now. fyi today is wife's bday so prob not much from me after this iniital burst til tomorrow morning
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 14:48
My gut reaction to that eod and reveal was that I let hally off the hook. Those posts about being the reason for vulgards wagon were icky icky and for today i despise that opening sequence about weird kill/framing/means its neb
alright, sunbae is a villager
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 14:57
i dont really know how to convey this to the thread in a convincing way but i think its likely zack/barto/X
i largely agree with ender's post about the iawy vibe tell with zack. i'm not really compelled much by any of his posting today. i think the post after hally's AtE declaring he doesn't see anything wrong with sunbae's posts about hally feels kinda wolfy/happy to let it slide by without resolving any of the conflict from it.
i started getting spooky feelings aobut him yesterday when (and i say this hypocritcailly, because i know i declared myself not villagery) i started to end up in the middle of people's null to wolfy lists and zack had me in the same spot as monty e.g. null and if i remember right, this was even before monty had re-engaged the thread and was still on 2-posts
idk, feels slimy
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 15:00
ive attached barto to zack because i don't really see a world zack lives in if not with him. there's imo a small world its zack/hally but that is far less after today's developments imo.
if zack died and flipped v right now i'd prob not live with that read and snap barrto but i do think barto's got plenty of wolf equity even if im wrong about zack
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 15:02
i still dislike hally's initial posts at sod because i feel like its exactly how wolves would post. i didnt really think rask was a weird kill at all and i feel like both a) thinking that and b) declaring it upon entry are >rand w actions
but i'm straight up demolished by the AtE
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 15:05
Neb, can you explain what made you think we were wrong near eod yesterday? I'm assuming it was some eod vibes but sometimes those are harder to pick up on reading them overnight compared to being there in real time.
game just felt static. dadv basically. i felt good about vulgard for a while but as we approached eod i realized there was no friction in the game which meant if he had a partner they'd given up on him long ago and that just didn't feel right?
ngl, part of it was also just me memeing to myself that i was creature and being doom and gloom, but it was also a genuine thought i had
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 15:06
Next question:
"Is Neb a wolf?"
Well guess what folks.
I'm thinking it's more and more likely.
why?
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 15:09
re: benneh, i don’t know if i’d call it a wolf read really but i’ll walk through my thought process anyway
i think the rask kill makes sense for a team that wasn’t really threatened D1 and can afford to kill someone just to cast me in a negative light and continue the incorrect status quo. rask wasn’t really pushing anyone besides me so he wasn’t an active threat to any wolves D1 readswise. he also wasn’t that townread and didn’t have really any thread pull so i don’t think he was positioned as a likely NK. maybe i’m missing something but from my perspective as a villager the only motivation i can really see for N1ing rask is making me look bad.
but it’s not like i wouldn’t still be suspected if wolves make a more conventional SPK in zack/benneh/sunbae and left rask alive to keep tunneling me. wolves didn’t do that though, they killed outside a trio of strong players who had largely found each other D1. i think that probably doesn’t happen if all three of them are villagers, right? wouldn’t any combination of barto/mont/ender just kill whichever of zack/benneh/sunbae is most threatening to them to break up that trio?
so i think the rask kill points to that trio not being pure. but even if it’s not pure the wolf(s) in that group can still kill into, so i don’t know why they didn’t. maybe because the villagers in the trio were wrong D1 and the wolf(s) didn’t feel threatened by them? maybe because the wolf(s) didn’t want to kill into it because then they stick out when they don’t die? i don’t really know.
but basically, i thought there being a wolf in the normal SPKs could explain why wolves didn’t kill into that group and why they felt unthreatened enough to do a frame kill in rask. i think sunbae is implicated less because he had a fair amount of suspicion on him D1 and was also wrong on me/vulgard so it makes sense to leave him alive. and of zack/benneh, i think benneh is less villagery? his posts sound fine to me but on a macro level i feel like his D1 was very low impact and he didn’t really stick his neck out for any reads and just kinda let stuff happen which makes sense coming from a wolf in a thread where villagers (me/vul/sunbae) were the main ones getting heat largely driven by other villagers.
so that’s how the thought came to be. keep in mind this was really just a snap thought in response to the kill combined with some paranoia overnight that i gave benneh a pass too easily and i’m trying to put it into words / flesh it out to see if it makes sense. i’m not exactly sure it does because i do kinda believe benneh when he says he would just kill one of me/sunbae/zack, buuuut what if it’s benneh/zack and they think they can kill rask and then whisper sweet nothings in sunbae’s ear to get him to keep pushing me? idk honestly, i kinda think this idea was dumb and i should stop going down this rabbit hole but now i took the time to write it out so i’m just gonna post it and maybe someone will get something out of it. :tounge:
i think fypov this is very reasonable
but i'm a villager and so basically how i get to my zack read is i take your process laid out in bold minus me and my alignment and end up thinking zack is a wolf for essentially the same reasons that you laid out for me not being the more villagery of the two
i still dislike hally's initial posts at sod because i feel like its exactly how wolves would post. i didnt really think rask was a weird kill at all and i feel like both a) thinking that and b) declaring it upon entry are >rand w actions
but i'm straight up demolished by the AtE
i mean, i’m a villager and all rask really did D1 was tunnel me and he showed no signs of slowing down so fmpov having my role card it’s weird to kill him :shrug:
but i don’t really feel like talking about this again lol
(also i wasn’t intending my “sunbae is scaring me” post to be AtE and i apologize if it came off that way)
benneh is mad i think his kill is weird :curtain:
game just felt static. dadv basically. i felt good about vulgard for a while but as we approached eod i realized there was no friction in the game which meant if he had a partner they'd given up on him long ago and that just didn't feel right?
ngl, part of it was also just me memeing to myself that i was creature and being doom and gloom, but it was also a genuine thought i had
lol?d
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 15:21
i mean, the only real read i felt strongly about most of d1 I think was mid-d1 where i thought hally's posting was super villagery while sunbae/zack posted sus on her, but that obviously faded over the course of the day
i had moderate reasons to v read rask/ender on their entrances. they were never going over so no reason to stick my head out.
no reasons to v read monty/barto, some mild reasons to think they were wolves but that was sewed in with a ton of doubt because a) i know monty is an often-mislunched villager just based off the sorc game and also talking with people who've played with him a long time and b) bartos posts are so bad it makes them LHF and being wrong on that just means the kill/suspicions gets directed toward villagers more often than not
i had reasons to suspect vulgard was wolf but it wasn't some lightbulb that popped off before anyone else. as mentioned above this left me with an uneasy feeling when i started to think otherwise closer to eod but it was genuinely too late to do anything about.
and zack/sunbae who i think i gave my reads on pretty openly through the course of the day.
so i'm not going to call that post incorrect, hally, i actually think you're spot on. but the expectation that i'd come in and take control of the thread with the reads i have above just isn't likely in a casual 9er with no PRs. i was never going to CFD in the five of z/s/h/r/e and i'd legit never forgive myself if i CFD'd a LHF slot like monty/barto, endedon a villager, and let vulgard get away. hence my 'im not sure how to fix this' post.
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 15:22
oh btw dont take offense to the AtE posts
i dont think you've stepped over any lines or anything i just more mean those posts tugged on my heartstrings
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 15:24
speaking of monty, i have legit no idea what to do or how to parse his line about vulgard being the most obvious villager itt yesterday
good luck with that lol
i mean, the only real read i felt strongly about most of d1 I think was mid-d1 where i thought hally's posting was super villagery while sunbae/zack posted sus on her, but that obviously faded over the course of the day
i had moderate reasons to v read rask/ender on their entrances. they were never going over so no reason to stick my head out.
no reasons to v read monty/barto, some mild reasons to think they were wolves but that was sewed in with a ton of doubt because a) i know monty is an often-mislunched villager just based off the sorc game and also talking with people who've played with him a long time and b) bartos posts are so bad it makes them LHF and being wrong on that just means the kill/suspicions gets directed toward villagers more often than not
i had reasons to suspect vulgard was wolf but it wasn't some lightbulb that popped off before anyone else. as mentioned above this left me with an uneasy feeling when i started to think otherwise closer to eod but it was genuinely too late to do anything about.
and zack/sunbae who i think i gave my reads on pretty openly through the course of the day.
so i'm not going to call that post incorrect, hally, i actually think you're spot on. but the expectation that i'd come in and take control of the thread with the reads i have above just isn't likely in a casual 9er with no PRs. i was never going to CFD in the five of z/s/h/r/e and i'd legit never forgive myself if i CFD'd a LHF slot like monty/barto, endedon a villager, and let vulgard get away. hence my 'im not sure how to fix this' post.
fair enuf
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 15:30
i'm around for a little bit while wife has breakfast with her friend but i dont really feel like generating content since its not my strong suit
down to interact/answer stuff. ping me if questions and ill prob answer if i get a few minutes
btw i retract my sunbae suspicion
i think i just didn’t want him to be a villager who couldn’t find me this game but really, though i have some nugget of doubt, i do think he’s a villager and has posted the best in the sunbae/zack/benneh trifecta
before i went to sleep last night i was thinking possible worlds are:
1) zack/benneh (think it’s possible they think they aligned too hard D1 and want to get some separation today thinking we’ll default to lunching in mont/bart in the end)
2) 1 in zack/benneh and 1 in barto/monty (would involve some distancing/bussing to be going on but that’s not unlikely given barto/monty are the easiest lunches itg and their wolfbro probably couldn’t get away with not putting any separation between them)
3) bart/mont (was considering this because mont’s push on bart on page 1 went absolutely nowhere but iirc bart had a complete nonreaction to monty and if the idea is to put some separation between themselves early itg when it doesn’t really matter they probably do it from both sides imo?)
4) sunbae/ender (this is the “i’m wrong about everything lolme” world where the wolves have decided to hard town read each other and i think it’s probably the only world sunbae makes much sense in? anyway not on the table for me today)
watch the team be none of these lol
looking at those worlds i do think a bart/mont team just kills zack N1? he knows them the best and was reasonably suspicious of both D1 so it seems like the obvious kill for that team and i don’t think a team of mont/bart was positioned well enough N1 to kill rask
your hedging is starting to freak me out
just wanna note that i thought this post was kinda wolfy because hedging is like the defining feature of my town game lol
notably zack has even defended me in the past when we?ve been v/v and people suspect me for my indecision
it?s like a post wolves think sounds good but isn?t something zack would really think about me
i dont really know how to convey this to the thread in a convincing way but i think its likely zack/barto/X
i largely agree with ender's post about the iawy vibe tell with zack. i'm not really compelled much by any of his posting today. i think the post after hally's AtE declaring he doesn't see anything wrong with sunbae's posts about hally feels kinda wolfy/happy to let it slide by without resolving any of the conflict from it.
i started getting spooky feelings aobut him yesterday when (and i say this hypocritcailly, because i know i declared myself not villagery) i started to end up in the middle of people's null to wolfy lists and zack had me in the same spot as monty e.g. null and if i remember right, this was even before monty had re-engaged the thread and was still on 2-posts
idk, feels slimy
I never said you were null d1, I had you (and monty at that time) as light v reads
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 19:27
tiers ordered within
there's actually another tier separating monty from zack/barto for me but i didnt wanna come up with a different name for that tier
villagers
sunbae
ender
probably villager but wouldn't be surprised if fooling
hally
wolfy but reservations
monty
zack
barto
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 19:29
I never said you were null d1, I had you (and monty at that time) as light v reads
maybe i'm misremembering then, lemme go back and see
tiers ordered within
there's actually another tier separating monty from zack/barto for me but i didnt wanna come up with a different name for that tier
villagers
sunbae
ender
probably villager but wouldn't be surprised if fooling
hally
wolfy but reservations
monty
zack
barto
orgah discrimination
maybe i'm misremembering then, lemme go back and see
I'm pretty sure it was unlabeled groupings, but I talked about the reads a few times outside of that list
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 19:32
Zack and Ender prolly OK (good tone - yeah - and no agenda). El Barto too (meta read)
benneh/sunbae/vulgard null
Monty I want to punt but wouldn't because of low posting and my history of reading him.
zack
not going here d1: ender/hally/sunbae
ok for now but don't feel great about it: benneh/monty
:inquisitive: rask
:stare: vulgard/barto
:coffeenews:
alright, so i think i conflated these two posts when th inking back upon it but i think the sentiment remains the same about how i felt it kinda icky i was falling down lists, as if someone expressed initial uncertainty (and i A-OK'd it!) and it gave the greenlight for me to be put into a position where a mislunch leads to me openly being next up in the poe
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 19:35
maybe i'm clearing ender a bit too easy but so is everyone else
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 19:38
orgah discrimination
https://i.imgur.com/eaMMxHr.gif
just wanna note that i thought this post was kinda wolfy because hedging is like the defining feature of my town game lol
notably zack has even defended me in the past when we?ve been v/v and people suspect me for my indecision
it?s like a post wolves think sounds good but isn?t something zack would really think about me
defending you for being indecisive about voting isn't the same thing as every read being this person might be villagy but also they might not be, that's not a feature I remember but I could be wrong, I haven't played a game with you in like 6 months
fweoifwoe I told myself last night I was going to jsut ignore the stuff about me and forge on doing my thing but the people I am most interested in seeing post either aren't posting or are posting about me
:shame:
Rask didn't really have serious sus on anyone besides hally afaict. He mentioned punting monty (that benneh quoted but I swear to god I was literlaly looking at that post right before he posted it ITT just to make me look bad and lazy :sweatdrop:) but didn't seem that confident in it, and when he said he would "have words" with ender if vulgard was town, from the context it seemed clearly meant in the sense of thinking Ender was a villa who saved wolf Hally.
Hally talking so much about the rask kill and spinning how it could point to other people I think actually comes back around to being villagy? If I was w/w with hally and we killed rask n1, and she kept going on about the rask kill I would tell her to stfu about it in wolfchat
I am gonna ride the anti-benneh momentum to slide him down in my reads list :curtain:
One thing I find interesting is ime benneh and sunbae tended to find each other well as v/v (including when it was definitely not clear to me), and benneh has sunbae as a top villa but the opposite isn't true (or is at least a lot more murky).
I'm kinda tempted to take Rask's read on Barto and run with it, given it wasn't a terrible point in the first place and why would Barto kill him (yes yes there are two wolves i know), but part of this is undeniably I would just feel bad if in my first game playing with Takh again in a long time I mislunched him again.
either there's one in benneh/hally (or two? eh), I'm getting worked over by sunbae and/or bladescape, or it's monty/barto which meh.
:creep:
game hard and thinky bout it difficult, zack going to answer AMA questions and do irl stuff for while
:hide:
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 20:01
i don't think thats a fair assessment of me and sunbae's werewolf relationship tbqh
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 20:06
we often both pocket the other player when w/v
sunbae often nails me when i am w/v against him (idt i often nail him as wolf except maybe once or twice)
we often both misread eachother as v/v
we often both find eachother as v/v
we almost always try to re-evaluate the other as games continue on (minus the 1 turbo we spoke over eachother and triggered this) and often sort things out as a result of that
but i would not say we are always or nearly always lockstep villagers
nebjiamn
07-26-2022, 20:08
we often both pocket the other player when w/v
sunbae often nails me when i am w/v against him (idt i often nail him as wolf except maybe once or twice)
we often both misread eachother as v/v
we often both find eachother as v/v
we almost always try to re-evaluate the other as games continue on (minus the 1 turbo we spoke over eachother and triggered this) and often sort things out as a result of that
but i would not say we are always or nearly always lockstep villagers
only reason i bothered posting this is because a) idt what you said is true but also b) that feels like an incredibly weak reason to wolf read me? you have never been one (in the few non-turbos we've had) to shy away from espousing your doubts about me when v/v so i'm kinda confused as to why you're using the fact that sunbae doesn't clear me asa crutch to slide me down here?
I didn't say I wolf read you for it? it's based on a small sample size (of my personal experience) and was just something I've been mulling over in the back of my mind
I don't really find anyone particularly wolfy in a way that jumps out other than Monty (already gone over this and he hasn't posted anything since) and maybe Barto, who hasn't posted yet today and not much to say there. That doesn't feel like the team so I'm probably wrong somewhere and won't have the time to go deeper into it today (irl today not day 2)
My read on you is pretty much just "the reason I lightly townread benneh day 1 is too light for day 2 and I generally don't find you to be notably villagy or wolfy at present"
Perfect. How strongly do you feel about Hally?
I don't think Zack could be scum, he posted the sentence he used as town.
is this read on zack a joke?
(for reference, the sentence was ?yep that?s a monty post?)
Rask didn't really have serious sus on anyone besides hally afaict. He mentioned punting monty (that benneh quoted but I swear to god I was literlaly looking at that post right before he posted it ITT just to make me look bad and lazy :sweatdrop:) but didn't seem that confident in it, and when he said he would "have words" with ender if vulgard was town, from the context it seemed clearly meant in the sense of thinking Ender was a villa who saved wolf Hally.
Hally talking so much about the rask kill and spinning how it could point to other people I think actually comes back around to being villagy? If I was w/w with hally and we killed rask n1, and she kept going on about the rask kill I would tell her to stfu about it in wolfchat
ohh, okay
that makes more sense :tongue:
lol ender saved me what a noob
re: neb
I usually get my most confident there during eods but 1) that eod didn't really have much going on as it was clear vulgard was going down from what i can tell and 2) i wasnt actually around so any vibe stuff that pops out kinda gets lost in translation. My current take is "could be a wolf, not top couple of suspects" and "if he's a wolf he hasn't tried to like, go out of his way to pocket me even when I was floating ideas of him being a wolf while also not trying to discredit or get me killed". If I try to read the eod from a "neb is a wolf doing XYZ" perspective I think it would have to be in a Hally v world because I didn't get the sense of any concern/urgency (which Hally clearly had so if it was w/w I think their two views of the gamestate weren't really on the same page). I also have this, uh, potentially bad idea in my head that the half ass "meh i think this is wrong but whatcha gonna do" is in this weird middle ground where it's not really attempting to look good for the next day because it's so weakly said and it's not really trying to line anything up for post flip that gets carried over to today? That might be too narrow of a read but it's what came to me and why I asked Neb about that post.
i regret not cfd’ing barto or mont D1 (probably bart) because down the stretch i did get cold feet on vul after my initial wave of “WOLFY VOTE DIE” passed over me but tbh i didn’t want to destabilize vul’s wagon at EoD because i was worried that it would lead to me going over
i wish i had just went for it though because i think vul would have made himself more readable with time and anything would be better than El Barto (0)
I'm going to take a moment to just flesh out thoughts here:
- There are 7 of us left and I think I can remove quite a few w/w pairings. I don't think Benneh/Hally, Benneh/Zack, Ender/Hally, Ender/Zack, Hally/Barto, Hally/Mont, or Mont/Zack work.
Leaves me with Barto/Benneh, Barto/Ender, Barto/Mont, Barto/Zack, Benneh/Ender, Benneh/Mont, Ender/Mont, Hally/Zack
- Of these pairs, the ones I can see things as "possibly w/w" instead of just "not not w/w" if that makes sense are:
Barto/Benneh: Barto's fixation on Benneh vanity wagon while villagers are going at each other throughout the day + Benneh's calling it out near eod while the clock is winding down.
Barto/Ender: Ender has a few small defenses of Barto in relation to wolf pushes, like while Vulgard is getting wagoned and the thread thinks he's a wolf, saying "don't think vulgard/barto are w/w" as well as adding him to the no blast zone today.
Barto/Mont: The way Mont calls Barto's opening wolfy and but then uses it to try and vote me for Barto's way he talked to me and shade Zack for not catching that Barto is iffy already.
Hally/Zack: The way Hally has shifted from defending Zack to Ender (in relation to Neb) to shading Zack once Neb came in being concerned about Zack too and the way Zack didn't really want to engage me for a bit on Hally early.
- Using peoples posts in isolation, I don't think Ender is a wolf. I don't really thiiiink benneh is one either (talked about that a bit ago). I'm also not really sure I have Hally as a wolf (have talked about this a lot).
I think I want to just call the wolf team Mont/Barto
That Barto opening is a bit iffy for the way it lays into the RP. Especially in tension with:
A new player wouldn't talk like that.
Could be Bart-Sunbae.
But on the other hand, Zack hasn't commented on these issues with Barto, and he usually catches him quick, so it could be Barto-Zack.
But I haven't played a mini in 10 years, so I could be wrong.
Dangerous thing to say. Seemed like something Hally should say.
This is the post I was talking about. Think I villa read it initially for seeming like a real solve approach (like trying to take it from point a to point b to point c) but I think now it's just acknowledging a wolfy post and then trying to call out others from it
game hard and thinky bout it difficult, zack going to answer AMA questions and do irl stuff for while
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i mean i dont think it has to be hard?
who are the people trying to figure out alignments? they are the villagers
who are the people not doing that? they are the wolves
keep it simple
I didn't say I wolf read you for it? it's based on a small sample size (of my personal experience) and was just something I've been mulling over in the back of my mind
I don't really find anyone particularly wolfy in a way that jumps out other than Monty (already gone over this and he hasn't posted anything since) and maybe Barto, who hasn't posted yet today and not much to say there. That doesn't feel like the team so I'm probably wrong somewhere and won't have the time to go deeper into it today (irl today not day 2)
My read on you is pretty much just "the reason I lightly townread benneh day 1 is too light for day 2 and I generally don't find you to be notably villagy or wolfy at present"
Why doesn't that feel like the team to you? I think I feel ok about it being the team with the approach day 1 from both of them, other peoples posting, and the way they interacted with each other (at least in the mont->barto direction)
I think I've also suspected Hally enough that I will give myself partial credit and moral victory if I lose to them
You gotta find the wins wherever you can
i regret not cfd’ing barto or mont D1 (probably bart) because down the stretch i did get cold feet on vul after my initial wave of “WOLFY VOTE DIE” passed over me but tbh i didn’t want to destabilize vul’s wagon at EoD because i was worried that it would lead to me going over
i wish i had just went for it though because i think vul would have made himself more readable with time and anything would be better than El Barto (0)
Can you pinpoint when that was? I did not get that vibe reading your eod
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