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Strike everything I said that could be construed as suspicious from the record. never happened.
evaluate me only on what remains and you will find the truth :magnify:
:bow:
Yeah okay legit Sunbae is my strongest town and you can vote them off over my dead body.
So the timing of this is:
pretty much nothing about me while I'm getting railroaded -> zack + hally call me a villager for being stubborn/on my own track -> Ender says he agrees -> later vulgard votes Ender saying he can do better -> Ender gets annoyed by this and iso's me to clear me and calls me the strongest town
If ender is a wolf I would be shocked if I wasn't planned on being killed here with how this played out (rask has barely posted at this point)
The question is, if so then why? Because I was villa reading Ender. Was it just trying to pocket me? I wasn't poking towards him, monty, or zack at this point so idk why a pair of those would basically write me off there. It'd have to be Ender/Hally?
I think if I hold this thought as we progress, then the only wolf team Ender works for is Ender/Hally. Which means if I can rid myself of that one I can clear ender. If I can clear ender I just need to find one pair that doesnt work in Mont/Hally/Zack and vote the common link.
(not actually here but just ftr, i had the read before you said it
what i said in my post is what i meant by “maybe it’s villagery eagerness”)
gotcha
gonna be sad if sunbae is a villager, rereads the game, sees all the posts he didn’t like before and confbiases himself into me being a wolf again
reading woat
i think the way you came out defending yourself as not aligned with sunbae is v wolfy fwiw hally and why i gutvoted you here
i feel like its something i've seen wolves do a lot recently wherein they defend their inability to be w/w with someone rather than their inability to be wolf
ive obviously seen villagers do this too but just thinking from my own experience its tended to be when i've been unsure or wolf reading the person because the absurdity of me pairing with a person bumps up against them, in my mind, likely to be flipping wolf and me being associted with them after
but you v read sunbae hard rn from what it seems so it ticked all the boxes for me
:idea2:
alright i swear i’m gonna stop being a degenerate and go to sleep now
tomorrow i’ll knock all your socks off with my immense villageriness (maybe)
gn
:idea2:
benneh died saying to leave me alone
checkm8 atheists
it wasn?t unprompted, it was because zack was tilted and i didn?t want to tilt him more by keeping my vote when it wasn?t serious to begin with
Is it a bad read if I say "Either Zack was really tilted and Hally wouldn't have piled on the way they did or Zack wasn't really tiled and Hally wouldn't have thought of this defense" if they were w/w?
I literally said I'm showing my work because people think I can be a wolf and that none of these are conclusions yet, don't fret about the confbias yet
honestly don?t think i have ever been voted for such dumb reasons
this is not a defense or AtE or anything, i?m just sitting here trying to parse whether vul and rask can actually be villagers who believe in voting me for the reasons they?ve said and idfk lol
Does wolf hally have it in them to be so abrasively over the top towards two villagers that are correct?
Is it "caught for the wrong reasons and annoyed"? Especially with the idea that us being w/w is silly to them, if they are about to kill me (say with Ender) getting run up for potentially being w/w with me would certainly be frustrating.
i don?t think rask has the guts as wolf to come in after zero posting the entire day and immediately start hard pushing the top poster
maybe a bad read but yolo
Is this when wolf hally changes from killing me to killing Rask?
Or is this Hally, under a lot of pressure, making a very good read as a villager?
sticking on vul, could also go for a Barto cfd
not feeling a hally lunch
:coffeenews:
Wolf Zack would absolutely love a villa Hally chop here right?
Monty didn't really post until EOD in the sorc game earlier this year fwiw
:inquisitive:
lol damn, i forgot about that post
now i feel bad
sorry guys
lol damn, i forgot about that post
now i feel bad
sorry guys
re: p#1011
fwiw I am a little concerned benneh got cleared a bit too easily but I'm not interested in going there today regardless and I don't think I could even explain why other than vibes/good ol paranoia
I don't think this is a post wolf Zack makes with wolf Hally being in a tight race near eod while Rask is just going into Hally and Neb is mostly good with Hally.
Like, that's just an off the wall observation throwing shade on someone that's helping him at this point while he certainly has more pressing priorities.
Zack and Ender prolly OK (good tone - yeah - and no agenda). El Barto too (meta read)
benneh/sunbae/vulgard null
Monty I want to punt but wouldn't because of low posting and my history of reading him.
Was rask killed for wanting to punt Mont while everyone else was pretty fine with mont?
i think rask could be a wolf if vul is, yeah
if vul?s not i don?t really think it makes sense to go so hard on me over vul though? vul is definitely the easier push
i agree rask?s reasoning for pushing me is bad though
ok, i am now 100% sure that if Hally is a wolf they knew they were killing Rask by this post
maybe but if you are v/v then you are also the more "valuable" mislunch and at the time there was a lot of momentum against you. and at some point bad posts are just bad posts
(not really considering the possibility of you and rask being w/w in this theorycrafting atm)
and if that's the case, zack wolf turning around and shading rask here doesn't really mesh with hally's posts
i think im drifting further apart from my hally/zack team the more i read
4-3 Vulgard-Hally I believe
peepeepoopoo
Now it makes sense!
:eyebrows:
You posted the exact same response last game. Calculated?
shush
Tortoise beats hare.
Vote: Hally
:bow:
Podracing.
Vote: Hally
to make it 4/4
i know it was a "test" but does w ender get w hally even while the threads kinda going ham and them?
Uh. I became consensus POE because I did the thing where I draw way too much attention to myself D1 as wolf and then couldn't shake it because I defended the wolf that died D1.
I do not intend to defend a wolf that dies D1 this game? Smile.
:inquisitive:
Perfect. How strongly do you feel about Hally?
I don't think Zack could be scum, he posted the sentence he used as town.
this mont/ender back and forth is so out of flow with everything else that's been going on
this mont/ender back and forth is so out of flow with everything else that's been going on
note: i dont think its because they are both wolves right now, its just ... somethings weird with it. like a total lack of urgency
I think (good thing you asked me actually) if Vulgard is town I will have words with him. (like Ender literally sold the dude to Hally after her flipflop on you, and her past suspicions on him)
noticed it while rereading Hally
Wolf team of Ender/Mont want to blast Rask here between those two posts? Benefit of getting people to delete villa hally after?
I suppose. How do you feel about me voting Sunbae?
What is this?
I have never wolfread you though. :)
this is to hally and i don't think it's w/w
if ender wolf is voting hally wolf here, yeah the vote isn't sticking but the entire purpose of it is to look good if hally flips later (or vice versa). so why is it being telegraphed so hard as not real and just for science in that case?
Does hally have no wolf pairs that work?
not a fan of monty's catchup here, especially the deflection that sunbae would need to work to get vulgard lunched today and that leading to a vote on hally for hally asking him to talk about sunbae more
i know we have wagons and all and people need to make a decision but this just feels sloppy
:yes:
Hally can you talk about your read on rask more? is it just you think he is different from past wolf games?
Follow up: This Zack question to hally in this eod situation again makes no sense to me if w/w and they know they are killing rask
Please, isn't it obvious that Sunbae-Hally need to TD? Look at this interesting reasoning.
Always a good process for catching Bart. Survivor of Sunbae-Hally should TD Bart.
v/v/v isn't it?
no, it?s not obvious at all
I really don't think mont/hally works either
alright as I'm reading sunbaes posts I'm getting the feeling that me thinking Monty was villagy and theorizing in that world may have been pretty dumb
Don't know what to tell you, but Vulgard was the towniest player of the day. Will you at least TDome Hally with Bart today, if not Sunbae?
If looking for a tinfoil angle, the Rask kill is something scum-Zack would do, so that could be a crumb for the postgame.
i continue to not think mont/hally works
and im starting to think this is all v/v/v thunderdoming
Wolf Zack would absolutely love a villa Hally chop here right?
this nagged at me a lot D2 and it was part of the reason i was reluctant to push zack despite some concerns here and there
i was (and still am) kinda torn on whether w!zack would actually stick his neck out for me
i think it’s… possible? in that i didn’t think i was actually going to get D1’d. people hate killing active strong players D1 and zack knows that so i could see him going for the pocket on me when he sees i’m vulnerable thinking that i wouldn’t end up going over and would probably get more town read as the game goes on.
also zack was pushing vul with me so it would look pretty bad if he were to heel turn, switch off vul when he was awol and start pushing me instead. i don’t really think w!him could have done that without catching heat.
buuut he could also just be a villager who was defending me correctly
buuuuut if the difference checks i laid out earlier are correct, zack/ender has exactly one wolf and they both town read me while i was getting heat (though ender did it less overtly which is maybe something to look into) so i know that at least one wolf passed up the chance to stick the knife in me when the thread was against me and went the TMI/pocket route instead, so i have to figure out which one of them did that
but not now because i really have to sleep whyamistillawakeihatemyself
start punting
hally to me saying ima punt mont into the sun if hally is a villager
and then goes into grilling mont themselves
If w/w, im sure they recognize they need to distance at that point at sod2 but this has been pretty steady and Im not so sure i think it can be theater
also i’m not sure what you think i’d be doing as a wolf by bringing up over and over how rask wolf read me and town read bart
there’s no reason i’d have to say the NK looked good for bart / didn’t seem to make sense for a bart/mont team
i could easily have not included that part of the NKA if i was a wolf and/or not repeated it once nobody cared the first time
wifom, etc but i think my NKA was some of my villageriest posting because you can clearly see i don’t have an agenda and am just stumbling around aimlessly trying to figure shit out after something happened that didn’t make sense fmpov
re: conclusion thing sloppy wording on my part I guess, I mean you still wolf read them and didn't seem to have a difficult time getting to a vote on Barto (unless my memory is just completely off) so it didn't seem like it was really impacting your reads much despite how much you were talking about it
and you can say you were being villagy but it mostly seemed like busywork to me and I'm pretty sure benneh disliked it too, will check tomorrow
https://media3.giphy.com/media/l3fZLMbuCOqJ82gec/giphy.gif
hmm?
This about me punting mont into the sun. Second time Zack has kinda softly defended Mont?
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 08:59
Hi.
I'm ish here and dunno how well I can go. Still braindeadish but awake now.
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:01
Follow up: This Zack question to hally in this eod situation again makes no sense to me if w/w and they know they are killing rask
Zack absolutely could say that about the nightkill target. It's free distancing, cheap and family friendly, with no real need to actually like invest in it.
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:01
Also something I do as wolf a lot, talk about things that probably don't need to be talked about but people are going to give me weak clears because "Why would wolf!Ender talk about this."
Does hally have no wolf pairs that work?
yes? probably? idk
but yes
:yes: :2thumbsup: :rtwyes:
i want to punt monty simply for that "Don't know what to tell you, but Vulgard was the towniest player of the day"
followed by this right after?
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:02
I am probably wrong somewhere in my reads, or Zack/Monty decided I was that low in priority that me punting one of them wasn't a danger.
Zack absolutely could say that about the nightkill target. It's free distancing, cheap and family friendly, with no real need to actually like invest in it.
counterpoint, when have I ever cared about being family friendly?
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:02
yes? probably? idk
but yes
:yes: :2thumbsup: :rtwyes:
Sunbae/Hally w/w, got it.
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:03
counterpoint, when have I ever cared about being family friendly?
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/032/632/No_No_He's_Got_A_Point_Banner.jpg
followed by this right after?
I really disliked his sod yesterday, and also viscerally disliked his lone SOD post today
going to shower then re read EOD with a focus on him
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:05
Also the reason I soft-cleared Barto yesterday was because they were in an antagonistic mindframe approach which I don't associate with their wolf game. Also because threadstate told me that Barto was probably the LHF.
I know this question was Benneh and he's dead now but answering it anyway.
i don't really have a problem with sunbae's posts about hally ftr (not sure i agree with the conclusion but that's a different thing)
i don't ermember having much issue with hally's posts in the moment but everyone seems to think they're wolfy so i'm feeling paranoid that I'm missing something or doing another ladd in that 13er situation where the reasons don't appeal to me so I assume the conclusion is wrong.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/run.gif
monty still isn't making a lick of sense afaict and his POV on vulgard just rings false
I just don't think this is about wolfmate hally either?
Also the reason I soft-cleared Barto yesterday was because they were in an antagonistic mindframe approach which I don't associate with their wolf game. Also because threadstate told me that Barto was probably the LHF.
I know this question was Benneh and he's dead now but answering it anyway.
why'd you say to punt Monty?
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:06
Also I think every wolf here knows that pushing another wolf early in the day with easily pivotable-away-from reasons is absolutely a tactic.
Idk if anyone cleared anyone for that yet but it's a big limlo issue I've seen for clearing wolves in the past.
Vote: Mont
I might be a sucker but Hally's insistence that they were going to have to fend off rask for 48 hours and that they have no idea why they aren't an obvious villager is getting me.
If hally's a villager I think mont's approach to yesterdays eod knowing vulgard is going over is just trying to accrue credit and set up the villa thunderdome between me/hally the next day
:shrug:
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:07
why'd you say to punt Monty?
I honestly don't remember so it's probably in the POE sense of not having another good target and not having reason to townread em.
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:09
this nagged at me a lot D2 and it was part of the reason i was reluctant to push zack despite some concerns here and there
i was (and still am) kinda torn on whether w!zack would actually stick his neck out for me
i think it?s? possible? in that i didn?t think i was actually going to get D1?d. people hate killing active strong players D1 and zack knows that so i could see him going for the pocket on me when he sees i?m vulnerable thinking that i wouldn?t end up going over and would probably get more town read as the game goes on.
also zack was pushing vul with me so it would look pretty bad if he were to heel turn, switch off vul when he was awol and start pushing me instead. i don?t really think w!him could have done that without catching heat.
buuut he could also just be a villager who was defending me correctly
buuuuut if the difference checks i laid out earlier are correct, zack/ender has exactly one wolf and they both town read me while i was getting heat (though ender did it less overtly which is maybe something to look into) so i know that at least one wolf passed up the chance to stick the knife in me when the thread was against me and went the TMI/pocket route instead, so i have to figure out which one of them did that
but not now because i really have to sleep whyamistillawakeihatemyself
Why does this read like the soft creaking a door opening to an Ender wolfread while trying to prompt others to beat you to it?
Also I think every wolf here knows that pushing another wolf early in the day with easily pivotable-away-from reasons is absolutely a tactic.
Idk if anyone cleared anyone for that yet but it's a big limlo issue I've seen for clearing wolves in the past.
I honestly don't remember so it's probably in the POE sense of not having another good target and not having reason to townread em.
:magnify:
i haven?t thought too deeply about this but off the dome i don?t really think zack makes much sense as a wolf with anyone except benneh
why do you wolf read him ender?
I think at this point, it's pretty clear that if the wolf team is Zack/Hally they made a conscious, concerted, repetitive effort to interact with each other and with others about each other.
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:10
:magnify:
Let's now open the study of "People keeping Ender around for limlo to try and use as the final misyeet" starring Zack.
re: conclusion thing sloppy wording on my part I guess, I mean you still wolf read them and didn't seem to have a difficult time getting to a vote on Barto (unless my memory is just completely off) so it didn't seem like it was really impacting your reads much despite how much you were talking about it
and you can say you were being villagy but it mostly seemed like busywork to me and I'm pretty sure benneh disliked it too, will check tomorrow
fair lol
in my defense i was gonna vote bart SoD2 before i saw the kill and the NKA was what made me hold off so long
i only voted him after he was afk forever, popped in once his wagon took off and started making ??? posts
my vote was half “i can’t deny bart’s posts are terrible despite my NKA, zack and sunbae think i’m dumb for caring about it, maybe they’re right” and half “maybe he’s twtbaw but there is no way i’m letting this guy live to lylo, let’s just kill him and see if the game is hard”
i don’t really regret voting him even though he was v because had we gone elsewhere and missed he was ~guaranteed to be the game losing mislunch today
stopping for a sec to say glad you're feeling a bit better ender
Zack's poked at a lot of things but I never feel like he's trying hard to direct thread which implies he's comfortable with letting other people lead it which doesn't feel congruent with how town is dying right now.
Also just gut tells me he's a wolf. Which is pretty dumb.
Also I don't think Benneh is wolf with Monty and if Zack is town I'm townreading a wolf.
Not impossible but not what I'm thinking about now.
Ender started going in on zack pretty good here
stopping for a sec to say glad you're feeling a bit better ender
:yes:
while the rest of the thread was about me, mont, hally, and bart
i feel like what you said applies more to benneh than zack?
:stare:
off the top of my head:
- his interactions with sunbae don?t seem like they?re on the same page to me
- i doubt you?d keep pushing him as w/w
- he?s going pretty hard at monty when i?m not sure he?d need to yet
- he?s been wolf reading barto consistently since the start of the game
it?s possible he?s bussing one of mont/bart but at least according to visor he?s not much of a busser as wolf so i dunno
Hally,
why is your approach today "one of sunbae/mont and one of zack/ender" if you dont think zack works with any of the 3 of us?
fair lol
in my defense i was gonna vote bart SoD2 before i saw the kill and the NKA was what made me hold off so long
i only voted him after he was afk forever, popped in once his wagon took off and started making ??? posts
my vote was half “i can’t deny bart’s posts are terrible despite my NKA, zack and sunbae think i’m dumb for caring about it, maybe they’re right” and half “maybe he’s twtbaw but there is no way i’m letting this guy live to lylo, let’s just kill him and see if the game is hard”
i don’t really regret voting him even though he was v because had we gone elsewhere and missed he was ~guaranteed to be the game losing mislunch today
yeah to be clear I don't fault anyone for killing Barto really (and maybe rasks read was even part of the reason he was killed and we should have entertained your nka more)
I'm personally frustrated at myself about it but that's not really here or there
stopping for a sec to say glad you're feeling a bit better ender
:2thumbsup:
yeah i?m sure he?s capable of it but he was early to the barto sus D1 and the monty sus today
Are you just starting from "zack town" and working backwards with the reasons?
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:16
Votes are not locked in this lylo or yes locked?
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:18
Nm I checked no locked votes, which means I can do this dramatic thing
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:18
Dun dun dun.
Uno reverse.
Vote: Hally
there?s also this re: ender
but i don?t really think ender is a wolf?
i dont think wolf hally pulls a rask quote to throw shade on wolf ender here
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:20
I literally said I'm showing my work because people think I can be a wolf and that none of these are conclusions yet, don't fret about the confbias yet
Oh no, the confbias is coming!
tbh i don?t even know why i town read ender as much as i do, but i just? do
he just seems like a carefree villager doing his own thing idk
esp with this follow up
If hallys a wolf this is a post meant to try and get someone else to start suspecting ender after the rask post pull and its because they are with zack (who ender is pushing) after trying to get ender to shift to neb instead
but being clear they dont think its ender
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:22
So the timing of this is:
pretty much nothing about me while I'm getting railroaded -> zack + hally call me a villager for being stubborn/on my own track -> Ender says he agrees -> later vulgard votes Ender saying he can do better -> Ender gets annoyed by this and iso's me to clear me and calls me the strongest town
If ender is a wolf I would be shocked if I wasn't planned on being killed here with how this played out (rask has barely posted at this point)
The question is, if so then why? Because I was villa reading Ender. Was it just trying to pocket me? I wasn't poking towards him, monty, or zack at this point so idk why a pair of those would basically write me off there. It'd have to be Ender/Hally?
I think if I hold this thought as we progress, then the only wolf team Ender works for is Ender/Hally. Which means if I can rid myself of that one I can clear ender. If I can clear ender I just need to find one pair that doesnt work in Mont/Hally/Zack and vote the common link.
Imagine if I was just obvious town tho.
Also I didn't read this before my vote, unfortunately, but that's even more hilarious now.
Hally,
why is your approach today "one of sunbae/mont and one of zack/ender" if you dont think zack works with any of the 3 of us?
the not w/w read with you was more of a nebulous feeling that i wanna double check tomorrow before i rule it out
the not w/w read with monty was because zack was going hard at monty SoD2 but then at EoD he pivoted off monty and onto bart pretty strongly so not sure it holds up
so before rereading anything, the only two pairs i feel i can strongly rule out are you/monty and zack/ender. i’m currently at “if either of those two are the team i’m probably just losing to them” levels of confidence with those two and not there on any other pairs atm
Let's now open the study of "People keeping Ender around for limlo to try and use as the final misyeet" starring Zack.
:bow:
Dun dun dun.
Uno reverse.
Vote: Hally
this is bait right?
just wanna note that i thought this post was kinda wolfy because hedging is like the defining feature of my town game lol
notably zack has even defended me in the past when we?ve been v/v and people suspect me for my indecision
it?s like a post wolves think sounds good but isn?t something zack would really think about me
i think hally has no wolf pairs?
Dun dun dun.
Uno reverse.
Vote: Hally
read my other posts today and you’ll see how i got to one in you/zack
fwiw I can't distance and even bus under the right circumstances but I would not actively grill into Monty like that as w/w when there was really no reason to
putting unnecessary legitimate heat on partners is silly
defending you for being indecisive about voting isn't the same thing as every read being this person might be villagy but also they might not be, that's not a feature I remember but I could be wrong, I haven't played a game with you in like 6 months
this isn't w/w, its so defensive rather than planned
fwiw I can't distance and even bus under the right circumstances but I would not actively grill into Monty like that as w/w when there was really no reason to
putting unnecessary legitimate heat on partners is silly
lmao
that was supposed to say CAN, not can't
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:26
I have haloumi chips and it is the best thing I've eaten in years.
Rask didn't really have serious sus on anyone besides hally afaict. He mentioned punting monty (that benneh quoted but I swear to god I was literlaly looking at that post right before he posted it ITT just to make me look bad and lazy :sweatdrop:) but didn't seem that confident in it, and when he said he would "have words" with ender if vulgard was town, from the context it seemed clearly meant in the sense of thinking Ender was a villa who saved wolf Hally.
Hally talking so much about the rask kill and spinning how it could point to other people I think actually comes back around to being villagy? If I was w/w with hally and we killed rask n1, and she kept going on about the rask kill I would tell her to stfu about it in wolfchat
:furious3:
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:28
i’m w/w with ur mom
I knew my mother was a wolf!
:furious3:
this is a good furious emoji right? :2thumbsup:
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:30
Calling out Zack while the thread is blowing each other up with me/vulgard/hally/mont/barto stuff doesn't seem like a very w/w thing to do
Counterpoint:
I named my entire wolf team as options to vote D1 in my last Org wolfgame.
should i be concerned that ender came in, didn?t read any posts from before he entered and voted me off a single post that was at best mildly suspicious of him after town reading me for two days straight with no reservations? or is this one of those progressions that?s so bad it?s actually villagery?
tune in tomorrow to find out
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:32
should i be concerned that ender came in, didn?t read any posts from before he entered and voted me off a single post that was at best mildly suspicious of him after town reading me for two days straight with no reservations? or is this one of those progressions that?s so bad it?s actually villagery?
tune in tomorrow to find out
No, no, it's wolfy.
Also that's not why I voted you, my vote comes from non-post related reasons.
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:33
I basically walked into thread and was like "Why the hell am I alive still."
Then reread part of D1 and voted Hally.
I basically walked into thread and was like "Why the hell am I alive still."
Then reread part of D1 and voted Hally.
which part?
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:34
which part?
The first part.
i guess i’ll just say my preliminary thoughts are that zack/ender and sunbae/mont don’t work, and if that’s correct these pairs are left
sunbae/zack
sunbae/ender
mont/ender
mont/zack
which means that fmpov there are two difference checks and the solve is 1 of zack/ender + 1 of sunbae/mont
i realize this is not groundbreaking stuff but it’s all my brain can muster rn
tomorrow i’ll reread and double check this / see if i feel like i can rule out any other pairs / try to decide who i think is more villagery in each difference check if i feel like those hold up
@ender here’s where explain the 1 in you/zack thing
(also i suggest moving your vote if you’re a wolf because you won’t win a dome against me, glgl)
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:37
@ender here’s where explain the 1 in you/zack thing
(also i suggest moving your vote if you’re a wolf because you won’t win a dome against me, glgl)
Hey, remember in a recent game where I pointed out Rask for doing this mild threatening thing as wolf to try and dissuade votes on him and correctly pinned him for it?
Wait you probably weren't in that game, but I did that.
Also this is exactly the same thing.
okay now i’m going to sleep FOR REAL bye
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:38
:whip:
Do you, Zack, take Hally to be your lawfully agreed townshield?
@ender here’s where explain the 1 in you/zack thing
(also i suggest moving your vote if you’re a wolf because you won’t win a dome against me, glgl)
so if I can lock in hally as a villager, then I can also sponge this and lock in ender as a wolf, and just left figuring out if his partner is monty or sunabe.
did you already explain why you think me/ender and sunbae/mont don't work in a separate post?
Do you, Zack, take Hally to be your lawfully agreed townshield?
if you're a villager, your mission is convincing me either you're town or that hally isn't town
#1098 is a decent start
Hey, remember in a recent game where I pointed out Rask for doing this mild threatening thing as wolf to try and dissuade votes on him and correctly pinned him for it?
Wait you probably weren't in that game, but I did that.
Also this is exactly the same thing.
yes i’m a wolf and if you try to dome me i will eat you over some rice with a nice brown sauce and there is nothing you can do about it
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:42
ngl the bolded is kinda hilarious as a thought
i?m just imagining myself wolfing with ender and accidentally spewing that we killed rask by misreading his post
(i?m 99% sure that if i was wolfing with ender and interpreted that post as a wolf read on him i would never draw attention both to that but it is possible that ender is a wolf who also misinterpreted the post and that?s why rask died)
Ftr I correctly read that post from Raskol.
gotcha, just double-checking you could back up the :argue: --> :love: progression with actual reasons. still a bit wary it's a "they're probably not lunchable anymore" thing but cest la vie.
If it's Zack/Hally they have been getting others to give villa reads on each other by asking for clarification/repeating reads in an effort to make it thread "consensus". It would require a purposeful plan to distance with themselves yet defend the other to outsiders that they started from the very beginning. It could be why Zack didn't interact with me about the hally wolf read early but kept asking about my read as it turned to a village one. It could be why Zack stuck his neck out for Hally d1 eod. Could be why Hally tried to talk ender into focusing on Neb instead of Zack sod2 as well as defending Zack by removing from w/w pairs.
I read through a lot of their posts and feel like they don't make sense together but then I find a few that concern me. So I'm trying to see if I can map out the game from their pov if it's the team. Early d1 distance -> turn on me -> realize I'm not going to let up -> decide to kill me ("i would kill sunbae" hally said d2) -> Rask comes in and buries Hally and needs to die -> dies over me -> defend each other when under heat for reasons other than "their posts are villagery" -> kills benneh n2 because I wasn't onto them and was in a thunderdome with mont.
Plausible? Still feel like I'm kind of reaching at some of these points though. Gonna continue reading
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:43
if you're a villager, your mission is convincing me either you're town or that hally isn't town
#1098 is a decent start
What If I convince you that you're wolf? :3
What If I convince you that you're wolf? :3
https://i.imgur.com/133SGq9.gif
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:44
If it's Zack/Hally they have been getting others to give villa reads on each other by asking for clarification/repeating reads in an effort to make it thread "consensus". It would require a purposeful plan to distance with themselves yet defend the other to outsiders that they started from the very beginning. It could be why Zack didn't interact with me about the hally wolf read early but kept asking about my read as it turned to a village one. It could be why Zack stuck his neck out for Hally d1 eod. Could be why Hally tried to talk ender into focusing on Neb instead of Zack sod2 as well as defending Zack by removing from w/w pairs.
I read through a lot of their posts and feel like they don't make sense together but then I find a few that concern me. So I'm trying to see if I can map out the game from their pov if it's the team. Early d1 distance -> turn on me -> realize I'm not going to let up -> decide to kill me ("i would kill sunbae" hally said d2) -> Rask comes in and buries Hally and needs to die -> dies over me -> defend each other when under heat for reasons other than "their posts are villagery" -> kills benneh n2 because I wasn't onto them and was in a thunderdome with mont.
Plausible? Still feel like I'm kind of reaching at some of these points though. Gonna continue reading
I'm gonna say that you should do this kind of progression read for every pair.
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:46
Honestly I'm not 100% sold on Hally wolf.
But it's the biggest lead I have right now.
Zack is, as always, my second highest wolfread.
I am not fully leaning into it though because I need to actually consider the game.
I've been left alive, probably due to low threat overall.
might be nothing but this sequence makes me :stare:
into immediate shade from Hally
like, let me try to articulate this better: i feel like these two are just all over the place if they are w/w where they are distancing but also defending but also shading and weaving back and forth between it all almost at random? and i feel like any of those things could be there as w/w but not all of it in this manner?like itd be distancing into defending, sure. but its more like the ebb and flow of the tide than some methodical thing if that makes sense
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:47
yes i’m a wolf and if you try to dome me i will eat you over some rice with a nice brown sauce and there is nothing you can do about it
Excuse you!
Add some god damn vegetables, I am not a solid meal, I'm like concentrated protein with some fats.
was (finally) going to check back through EOD and saw this benneh post at the top of the page:
just considering all avenues. hallys top poster and most of her posts sound very good. i think game solve wise i think their pov makes most sense to me esp in comparison to you and sunbae. i have lots of reasons to read her well and above monty and barto and i obviously still think you have a good amount of w equity (though i would not lump you in the same category of me having lots of reasons to v read hally over you, i just kinda think you fit the wolf mold well with how the game has played out (i realize this is a silly metric that may not make sense but im going with it since its the theme of the post (idk what im doing dog.jpeg)))
some lingering doubts about sunbae and ender. moreso ender because i feel like ender may have slipped through a blindspot for me because he's felt different from sorc game but i may have given that too much credence since the context of how ender's posted is obviously very different to the dynamic there was on sorc for lots of reasons
i guess in other words:
i villa read sunbae quite a bit but always acknowledge he has wolf potential cause he's just super good at fooling me
i villa read hally quite a bit, i also acknowledge she has wolf potential cause she's super good at fooling me too but i think the totality of her posting has me pushing her up a little higher as game/day has gone on
i kinda villa read ender based off game/threadstate vibes and posts but i don't have a super substantive read on his posts even though i certainly could/should based on his volume and content
i kinda wolf read monty and barto based off game/threadstate vibes and posts but i don't feel like i CAN get a truly confident substantive read on their posts based on volume and content, other than a few of their wolfy statements/positions on the game ('vulgard was the most obviously villagery player itt' & 'nebjiamn never took a stance' while never taking a stance and misremembering a stance was taken) which also feels a bit nonsensical for wolves to do
and i kinda wolf read you based off game/threadstate vibes and posts cause it feels like in relation to the non-monty/barto posters you seem the most ... uninhibited/lacking concern about trying to solve today. whch i acknowledge could very well be because you are coming to the same conclusion as hally/sunbae that it could be a rather boring team of barto/monty and maybe you dont feel great about that or feel the need to dig in much deeper than you have already today but its just kinda how my reads end up?
i realize this turned from a "why hally #1" to a whole thing but ya
"if hally decided to tryhard as w in a casual game then so be it" --me, a few hours ago probably
a few posts later, to me:
if we're v/v then i'd have some more suspicion on ender but agree that it increases monty/barto equity quite a bit
https://c.tenor.com/qlYGglNeQA8AAAAC/lemur-eye.gif
Zack is, as always, my second highest wolfread.
:bow:
this
I also think wolf hally going into a big rant about the nightkill not making sense for mont/bart, me saying "there are a billion factors we cant know that", and wolf zack agreeing with me is another example of them being all over the place in a weird way.
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:50
I was going to review my Sunbae read but ngl reading all these posts makes me feel good warm fuzzies.
Can't say my head space has expanded much since mid-D1. Time's up for Barto, he's been squarely within his mafia range the whole time. Hally might be more sus than Sunbae. I don't like taking the easy route of eliminating Barto first, since there's a lot of risk that there's few associations to find, and frankly he's a less-dangerous endgame prospect; order of operations influences my approach.
Now, the interactions between Sunbae and Hally being premeditated can't be dismissed, and I would give the pairing more review in a larger game, but for the sake of a mini I choose to believe a two-maf team wouldn't approach the game like this from early D1, in almost all worlds.
I don't have much either good or bad* to say about the rest, so it's a Barto-Hally TDome. (but Bart-Neb disclusive)
*though others do
Anti-Orgatism
author's note: "he's a less-dangerous endgame prospect" translates to "i'd rather have that mischop later"
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:51
I hate defending myself but I feel compelled to point out how everyone was like "Ender is sus but probably town" until today and suddenly I have people turning on me.
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:53
Hm actually I really hate that Monty post Sunbae just quoted.
Can't say my head space has expanded much since mid-D1. Time's up for Barto, he's been squarely within his mafia range the whole time. Hally might be more sus than Sunbae. I don't like taking the easy route of eliminating Barto first, since there's a lot of risk that there's few associations to find, and frankly he's a less-dangerous endgame prospect; order of operations influences my approach.
bold mine
afaict these two thoughts are contradictory and I don't see how the second evolves so quickly after the first as a natural thought
he also voted barto a few posts later anyway and was thanking posts of people sussing barto all eod
:computer:
I'm not finding either of them mention him much if at all
that actually might be a bit odd if w/w if anything? :wall:
again with more disagreements from zack/hally
i, i think im going to lose to them if they are w/w and just tip my cap to them for excellent positioning/interactions/defenses/posting
wtf sunbae
stop making it look like i'm copying your homework and hoping the teacher doesnt notice
Hm actually I really hate that Monty post Sunbae just quoted.
i think ive known what im doing today for the last 30 minutes ish but im just exploring every option i can think of to make sure im good with it
and thats punting mont into the sun
bold mine
afaict these two thoughts are contradictory and I don't see how the second evolves so quickly after the first as a natural thought
he also voted barto a few posts later anyway and was thanking posts of people sussing barto all eod
:computer:
:toilet:
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:57
leave hally alone tomorrow
ender dyin tonight
Hm.
uh i have no idea why i thought monty's eod was good
it isnt lol
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:58
Vote: Monty
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 09:59
oh i didn?t realize the flip was posted 20 min early and just saw the :06 timestamp on the first wall and was :stare: at you writing all that in 6 minutes
...
This feels weird when Hally posted before normal deadline so should've been aware the day was posted early lol
Vote: Monty
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/025/090/tumblr_inline_p1brmcd9Dk1rr08jv_500.jpg
...
This feels weird when Hally posted before normal deadline so should've been aware the day was posted early lol
no they didn't?
so if I can lock in hally as a villager, then I can also sponge this and lock in ender as a wolf, and just left figuring out if his partner is monty or sunabe.
did you already explain why you think me/ender and sunbae/mont don't work in a separate post?
- you/ender: i really don’t think he starts pushing you D1 and continues it into D2 when there are plenty of villagers getting heat (me/vul/bart/potentially sunbae or mont). maybe he could do some distancing but it’s completely unnecessary to park his vote on you all of D2 as w/w. also your reaction to his vote on you D1 read as legitimately tilted. also if he was bussing you i think you would push him back at least a bit to sell it as not w/w but instead you’ve largely shrugged at his push and town read him up until now.
- mont/sunbae: monty has constantly voted sunbae and said me/sunbae should dome and then sunbae turned it back on him and voted monty D2 and went hard on monty. it’s possible theoretically that they decided to go ham with bussing but it feels pretty unnecessary? when monty started pushing sunbae he wasn’t really getting heat anymore and had shifted to being more town read iirc, so it doesn’t really make sense to start bussing then and continue that into D2. again, it’s possible they yolo’d the cross-bus thinking whichever of them made it out alive would have an ez F3 but realistically atm i doubt that if one of them flipped wolf here i could bring myself to kill the other in F3.
i want to double check both of these but i feel good about them rn
- you/ender: i really don’t think he starts pushing you D1 and continues it into D2 when there are plenty of villagers getting heat (me/vul/bart/potentially sunbae or mont). maybe he could do some distancing but it’s completely unnecessary to park his vote on you all of D2 as w/w. also your reaction to his vote on you D1 read as legitimately tilted. also if he was bussing you i think you would push him back at least a bit to sell it as not w/w but instead you’ve largely shrugged at his push and town read him up until now.
- mont/sunbae: monty has constantly voted sunbae and said me/sunbae should dome and then sunbae turned it back on him and voted monty D2 and went hard on monty. it’s possible theoretically that they decided to go ham with bussing but it feels pretty unnecessary? when monty started pushing sunbae he wasn’t really getting heat anymore and had shifted to being more town read iirc, so it doesn’t really make sense to start bussing then and continue that into D2. again, it’s possible they yolo’d the cross-bus thinking whichever of them made it out alive would have an ez F3 but realistically atm i doubt that if one of them flipped wolf here i could bring myself to kill the other in F3.
i want to double check both of these but i feel good about them rn
monty's sunbae read is weird, during EOD he said he needed to be convinced to vote sunbae and mentioned him being a null-ish read. it doesn't really make sense to me
I don't think sunbae is really the type who would come into f5 strongly making the case we should flush his bro down the toilet anyway lol
I've had him in the nulls with non-Sun/Hally/Bart.
Oh wait I I misread this post, and he was Sunbae was NOT null.
I guess the "convince me" was just because he didn't want to actually vote sunbae over barto?
i think ive known what im doing today for the last 30 minutes ish but im just exploring every option i can think of to make sure im good with it
and thats punting mont into the sun
if you’re a villager and think zack/ender aren’t w/w this is indeed what you should do :2thumbsup:
no they didn't?
I've checked this like 5 times to make sure I'm not going crazy. water u doin pal
why are you all here posting at 5am my time smh
i’m just going to sleep for real now idc i’m actually braindead
ender is FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat
Like ok, here's where I'm at and then I'm going to sleep.
1. I refuse to allow myself to be called a wolf at this point. Let us remove the pretense that it's a possibility and get your pairs with me out of here. I clearly, obviously, very much care about being right in this game and I could have cruised to a sleepwalk win as a wolf without doing any of this tonight. I will respond to any insinuations or suggestions that I could be a wolf with disappointedCelticsFanDotJpg and nothing more.
2. I do not think Zack and Hally are the wolf team. I have explored this pair the most in depth possible because it was the biggest lingering fear team I had. I have scrutinized their actions individually and together. I have given them as much credit as I possibly can and still do not see it being a thing. Their interactions with each other and with others about each other are just too varied for me to see it as a pair. Their bickering, always coming back to each other, reevaluating of each other, questioning about the other to outsiders, sometimes defending, sometimes attacking, agreeing on some things, disagreeing with others, and overall approach just doesn't seem reasonable to expect that level of commitment from. Sometimes they are overly defensive, sometimes snippy, sometimes chilled towards each other. It's just not on the same page at all over the course of the game. I tried to map out the game from their pov and it just didn't land for me. If it is them, I will just say I put in my best effort and they beat me.
3. I do not think Ender/Hally nor Mont/Hally work either for various reasons I've talked about already. It's late, I won't rehash them. I think those are much more straightforward than the Zack/Hally one.
4. As such, I am clearing Hally. If Hally is a wolf, I will give myself partial credit but, frankly, they'd have just played better than I did. With posting under fire, interactions with whoever their teammate is, and just general werewolfing.
5. I also think it's very clear that Ender/Zack are not paired. There was legit frustration from Zack towards Enders push and Ender has not really relented. If that's the pair, again, whatever you got me.
6. The wolves are either Mont/Zack or Ender/Mont. That is my solve. I am voting Mont and not moving. I've gone through the entire thread, mapped out everything I think and why, and I trust myself to be correct here. I will no longer be interacting with any of you about the game. I'll meme around tomorrow when I'm around but this was the extent of my searching/rereading/game focused posting for this phase. If it wasn't enough, then nothing will be. I expect this to be correct and to die tonight. Hally, I would spend the rest of your day figuring out if its Zack or Ender and prepare for F3.
Zack, Hally, and Ender need to all vote Mont or me. This is the thunderdome. I'm going to sleep, I'll be around sparsely tomorrow, and not at all Saturday. I expect there to be tons of posts in the meantime and I know out of sight out of mind is a thing. If you start to waver remember two things: 1. i will post disappointedcelticsfandotjpg at you for wavering in the first place and 2. read my posts today and know i'm an obvious villager.
good luck to us
vote: mont
"but sunbae, why do you think you get to choose the thunderdome"
https://i.imgur.com/Fpgq66n.png
"but sunbae, why do you think you get to choose the thunderdome"
https://i.imgur.com/Fpgq66n.png
...alright I don't know how I could ever vote sunbae after this
it helps that #1139 (and the rest of your posts this phase) was/were excellent
:bow:
EnderWiggin
07-29-2022, 10:32
Beat you there Sunbae. Lol.
Montmorency
07-29-2022, 17:43
- I will also be looking for people that seem to pile on or adjust their reads with the flow of the thread rather than having their own thoughts/opinions. I think this will be the key one but we know now that at no point were wolves really concerned near eods as both were runaway villager wagons.
Technically, Hally, Zack. Counterwagons. But anyone who could be a partner to Hally was fairly comfortably parked on her CW Vulgard, so there's likely not much information in late D1 wagonomics. Notably in D2, Sunbae hard-defended Zack with a late vote switch, though I wouldn't say Zack was under real threat with just Neb and Ender being serious on his wagon.
- I have, clearly, been on my own this game. There have been no pocketing attempts, no persuasion, no trying to get others to follow me. I did not at any point try to convince someone else to vote Hally, to vote Vulgard, to vote Mont, or to vote Bart with me. I laid out my reasons for voting where I did and just voted there.
I wouldn't be able to derive why that's AI for you. For the rest of the content of your self-assessment, what could be AI in it needs a set of townie eyes ISOing you for misrepresentation. I'm not going to be that guy however. I will say this post is very Pizza-y in format.
why not ender?
He's kind of just hanging out null all game, and I'm not sure there's anyone he can't be partners with. Thus I can't solve with him as scum, whereas there's a slim chance with the other three, who all have more scum equity independently within the progress of the game.
Here's where I'm at: In the first round, the only player I had begun to TR - Vulgard - was killed. In the second round, the only player I had begun to TR - Nebbie - was killed. I found Sunbae in Sorc, and I haven't been able to this time. I found Zack the last couple games I played with him, but he's far from posting himself clear in this game. Hally meanwhile gut-reads to me differently than Mass Effect, where I was utterly fooled by her, though this intuition could be double-edged. What I will say about Hally is that she fooled everyone else pretty thoroughly in Mass Effect, whereas in this game she's taken a bit of heat. (Someone might refer to Mass Effect to read Sunbae, who was NKed D1, by the by.)
I'm tempted to KISS and settle on a Hally-Zack pairing, since N1 Rask kill is the perfect SPK from that pair's perspective, as is the N2 Neb kill. Maybe I'm just stupidly-wrong again, but that's the best I've got for now.
I'll read the rest of the day another time, since I see Sunbae and co. dashed out 160 posts in 3.5 hours overnight and the thread's been dead since.
Montmorency
07-29-2022, 17:52
in the moment during EOD my read on monty almost entirely flipped. I thought he made some solid posts, and when the wagons were me/him he tried to get me+others to move onto barto instead of trying to bury me, which I figured pointed to him being genuinely suspicious of barto and wanting to flip him. overnight I was thinking about what the game would look like if Monty was a villager, and I'm pretty sure it was one where the wolves were complacent d2 and not overly concerned which of barto/me/monty died. benneh didn't strike me as complacent and he made some good posts (insert grumbling about some of his conclusions re: me :stare:) I thought. Sunbae has kinda been in his corner doing his own thing all game, I know he is a good wolf and capable of convincing fake thoughts, but I'm not really seeing it and "his posts are fine, but he's a good wolf!" ain't doin it for me, that's not good enough. Also kinda pocketed by how he came in to vote Barto (p sure if he was a wolf he'd have just stayed away and hoped I managed to go over instead) and seemed pretty serious about the legacy post even if I'm not sure how he got there.
Which left hally/ender, which I think makes sense in a lot of ways. Obvious reason to kill rask (dunno about benneh, havent looked into that yet), especially since iirc after I mentioned my reading of that rask post - the one where he was like "I'll have words with ender if vulgard is town" - as being more of a "I still think he's town but I'll scold him for saving Hally who I think is a wolf," hally reacted like they hadn't considered it from that angle. So maybe they misinterpreted it (or correctly interpreted it and I'm wrong lol) as a burgeoning wolfread on ender after vulgard flipped, and obviously Rask was telegraphing an incoming Hally tunnel. Primo kill target. Hally makes a billion posts about how the kill makes no sense and not coming to any real conclusion about it that I recall, they both top town Sunbae to pocket him and try to shut down his d1 suspicion of Hally from resurfacing, Ender announces a no blast zone and lumps Hally with two villas (strong villa sunbae who no one really suspected anymore and was posting well, and Barto who was likely ml bait) and throws sus on me based on a vibe tell and claiming I had no clear stances d1 (which seemed clearly untrue fmpov and possibly even designed to bait me into bringing up how I defended hally and pushed for vulgard again, though that's maybe a bit tinfoily). Sorry for rambling, I think there was more to it which seemed obviously brilliant at the time but that was the main gist.
BUT
:hide:
I almost immediately started doubting this when I saw Monty's nothing burger of an SOD post where he still hasn't really explained why he thinks the wolves are in that group then peacing out (and agree with hally that not mentioning ender was odd). Made me wonder if I misread Monty's EOD and got carried away focusing on the Rask nk pointing at Hally, when in theory I think ender/monty makes sense? And I have a sinking feeling that bladescape is wolfin' and just got cleared for bad reasons for doing something that is not really that difficult to do as a wolf. Maybe this team was worried about the me/sunbae/benneh squad finding each other in f5 and forming a voting bloc and decided to break it up - I was under too much suspicion to be killed, Sunbae didn't have as much threadpull as benneh (who does) and was possibly likelier to get distracted going after hally again? idk, have to go soon and won't be able to seriously post for awhile after but wanted to get this out there first (though I was hoping hally/monty would respond to my questions first to avoid letting them tailor their answers to what I posted but w/e)
also I touched on sunbae/hally as a possibility a bit yesterday and came away thinking it didn't make a ton of sense despite some things giving me pause. It's still a possibility for how they ended up not really threatening each other at all when it mattered and eventually moved to seemingly confident townreads on the other, I guess, but I don't think this is a winnable game state fmpov even if it is true so long hair dont care for now
Jumping to a random page, I do admit this is a good post. Not sure why you think I wouldn't kill you to self-pres though.
Here's where I'm at: In the first round, the only player I had begun to TR - Vulgard - was killed. In the second round, the only player I had begun to TR - Nebbie - was killed. I found Sunbae in Sorc, and I haven't been able to this time. I found Zack the last couple games I played with him, but he's far from posting himself clear in this game. Hally meanwhile gut-reads to me differently than Mass Effect, where I was utterly fooled by her, though this intuition could be double-edged. What I will say about Hally is that she fooled everyone else pretty thoroughly in Mass Effect, whereas in this game she's taken a bit of heat. (Someone might refer to Mass Effect to read Sunbae, who was NKed D1, by the by.)
I'm tempted to KISS and settle on a Hally-Zack pairing, since N1 Rask kill is the perfect SPK from that pair's perspective, as is the N2 Neb kill. Maybe I'm just stupidly-wrong again, but that's the best I've got for now.
I'll read the rest of the day another time, since I see Sunbae and co. dashed out 160 posts in 3.5 hours overnight and the thread's been dead since.
i don’t get how a me/zack team follows from what you said
if you can’t find sunbae or zack and think i’m different from my wolf game, shouldn’t your solve be sunbae/zack? i don’t get why he’s not in your solve
He's kind of just hanging out null all game, and I'm not sure there's anyone he can't be partners with. Thus I can't solve with him as scum, whereas there's a slim chance with the other three, who all have more scum equity independently within the progress of the game.
also this is such a weird thing to say
the idea that he’s null and fits with everyone so you’re not gonna look into him in lylo is like… a baffling statement
ngl i have some #fear that w!sunbae saw me say he was difference checked with monty and decided to go all in on burying v!monty?s booty and clearing me to get me firmly onside and win today with ender or zack as his bro
but i?m tempted to just say he can have the win if he went super saiyan wolfing here and just vote monty
i’m kinda scared though because monty’s pop in just now seemed completely unaware of the threadstate
if he’s a wolf surely his bro has told him sunbae is going ham on him and they’ll have to thunderdome but he didn’t seem to know that and randomly doesn’t have sunbae in his solve after susing him the entire game, which doesn’t really make sense for a wolf who knows he’s gotta dome sunbae
idk lol
but if he’s a wolf he’s already getting bussed regardless of who his teammate is so he could just be in antispew now
meh
i feel like i should reread the game to make sure i’m not missing anything but honestly i’m too tired and don’t have the energy rn
maybe tomorrow though
i don’t really think i would vote anyone but monty today in any case, but who knows
it’s not lost on me that benneh died town reading sunbae and wolf reading zack
i still have nebulous #concerns about zack but trying to articulate them rn would require more brainpower than i currently here
Sunbae gth who’s the wolf in ender/zack?
it?s not lost on me that benneh died town reading sunbae and wolf reading zack
i still have nebulous #concerns about zack but trying to articulate them rn would require more brainpower than i currently here
Zack is townbronana from the syndicate
You know I'm town right?ZACK = VILLAGER
sponge my reads
plz no bully
ZACK IS TOWN DONT MISYEET HIM
zack, you think it?s just ender/mont?
I've read everything since last night and don't have much to say about it. Hally already covered anything I might've said wrt monty's posts
still thinking it's monty/ender
I've read everything since last night and don't have much to say about it. Hally already covered anything I might've said wrt monty's posts
still thinking it's monty/ender
the forum is bugging
it keeps saying it doesn’t send your post but it actually did
zack, you think it?s just ender/mont?
yeah most likely
ender/mont
ender/hally
mont/hally
sunbae/ender
sunbae/hally
sunbae/mont
pairing tier list, I guess? but I don't think I'm ever voting you or sunbae today
the forum is bugging
it keeps saying it doesn’t send your post but it actually did
don't ban me for double posting gh :sweatdrop:
the post so nice i made it twice
Montmorency can you explain why you thought me/sunbae should thunderdome?
Players Votes
Montmorency 2 (EnderWiggin, Sunbae)
EnderWiggin 1 (Zack)
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ngl i have some #fear that w!sunbae saw me say he was difference checked with monty and decided to go all in on burying v!monty?s booty and clearing me to get me firmly onside and win today with ender or zack as his bro
but i?m tempted to just say he can have the win if he went super saiyan wolfing here and just vote monty
https://i.imgur.com/Ji8xwuM.png
i?m kinda scared though because monty?s pop in just now seemed completely unaware of the threadstate
if he?s a wolf surely his bro has told him sunbae is going ham on him and they?ll have to thunderdome but he didn?t seem to know that and randomly doesn?t have sunbae in his solve after susing him the entire game, which doesn?t really make sense for a wolf who knows he?s gotta dome sunbae
idk lol
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https://i.imgur.com/Ji8xwuM.png
https://i.imgur.com/Ji8xwuM.png
Players Votes
Montmorency 3 (EnderWiggin, Sunbae, Hally)
EnderWiggin 1 (Zack)
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Montmorency
07-30-2022, 15:25
Ender seems chillin' even though everyone ostensibly suspects him so I guess he could be scum, but that doesn't help me.
Hypothesis: The mafia are acting like they're winning right now.
Might as well rxn-test Vote: Ender however.
i don’t get how a me/zack team follows from what you said
if you can’t find sunbae or zack and think i’m different from my wolf game, shouldn’t your solve be sunbae/zack? i don’t get why he’s not in your solve
I most certainly included Sunbae in the solve in the one and only post I made about it today, I just decided that Zack-Hally might be the priority pairing (with Sunbae-Hally the lowest, though as I said another day I would place it high in the ranking in a 17er).
If I had to forecast, with some fuzziness in the middle:
Hally-Zack
Sunbae-Zack
Ender-Zack
Sunbae-Ender
Hally Ender
Hally-Sunbae
Montmorency can you explain why you thought me/sunbae should thunderdome?
Because you were the scummiest pair at the time lol. I've already explained, it's not a lot to understand.
Zack is townbronana from the syndicate
You know I'm town right?ZACK = VILLAGER
sponge my reads
plz no bully
ZACK IS TOWN DONT MISYEET HIM
Zack ITT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82oJt2enz8A
that explains nothing. WHY were they the scummiest
Montmorency
07-30-2022, 19:40
that explains nothing. WHY were they the scummiest
My foregone explanations on all the things she said are sufficient. Us ITT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJBoTO6vZCc
I'm tempted to cast blame on Barto, since with a bit of input from his end we could have overwhelmed Zack D2 when there was a chance (4 votes). But really it's just me for lacking the wim, coherence, or cognitive power to concretely solve this game based on what I've read. Motivation is lacking too given that unless all the townies vote together they have a ~1% chance of victory, and I don't see Town unifying today.
Montmorency
07-30-2022, 20:12
Vulgard's flip does change some stuff, yeah. By my last stint in the thread I had decided the way Hally interacted about Vulgard wasn't w/w, and I thought that if Vulgard was a wolf then Hally's read of the game state throughout day 1 was pretty good with you/neb being villa and that coupled with my feelings on Ender would make the game pretty clear cut.
With it not being the case I've gotta work through the various options. If Hally is a wolf I don't think Mont or Barto can be wolves with the way Mont has been trying to get a Hally thunderdone going and the way Hally tried to vote for Barto as the day progressed and needed a non-Hally wagon. I'm back at my "If it's Hally, the way they kept defending Neb/Zack to me makes me think it's because it's one of you" thought that I had at one point yesterday.
If Hally is a villager then the main wagons all day were all town between me/vulgard/hally. If that's the case I think my first look is Mont for vocally defending vVulgard while tryng to turn me/hally into a thunderdome given it seemed obvious reading it that Vulgard was dying as that eod progressed. I have that lingering Zack/Neb fear still that I'm trying to squash but I, how to say this without being obnoxious, feel like if the team is zack/neb and I've been barking up that tree a lot day 1 you two just rid yourselves of me? Maybe that's silly with the way I got heat during day 1 but it's how I feel so shrug emoji.
So I'm currently juggling a few different worlds of like Hally + you/neb or Mont + Barto or maybe something weird like Barto + Neb where it was just a stuck vote on a teammate while villagers were getting wagoned.
Gonna try and work through it over the next little bit and see where I land
In my notes I have this post listed as "Post 615 is key. Sun-Ender??? Sun spew Hally" but I'm not sure what that means in retrospect.
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Montmorency
07-30-2022, 20:24
vote: zack
:sleepy:
Look, if Sunbae is town, there's basically no way for town to win, i.e. for at least one townie to join me on mafia in practice. In principle:
If Sunbae is town, Zack-Hally can do whatever the heck they please as Monty-Ender wagons are no threat to them and neither of themselves will attract two votes. Ender-Hally: ??? I guess Hally might as well feint onto Zack. Zack-Ender probably would handle D3 as they have, especially after the Sunbae dump.
If Sunbae-Ender, Ender has to be on the watch for any traction his own wagon might get. (I'm assuming Sunbae stays true to his word and misses EOD.)
If Sunbae-Zack the game is finished unless Hally and Ender are solid on the Zack-wagon.
Sunbae-Hally: Also pretty much invincible but I chose to rule out this scenario for a mini early on.
If Hally is town, Zack-Ender is the scenario she puts to the test if her vote is legit.
I'll hold my vote for now.
My foregone explanations on all the things she said are sufficient. Us ITT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJBoTO6vZCc
I'm tempted to cast blame on Barto, since with a bit of input from his end we could have overwhelmed Zack D2 when there was a chance (4 votes). But really it's just me for lacking the wim, coherence, or cognitive power to concretely solve this game based on what I've read. Motivation is lacking too given that unless all the townies vote together they have a ~1% chance of victory, and I don't see Town unifying today.
can you please expand? If you're town then I really need some more help seeing your perspective
I'm looking back through sunbae's posts this phase and the tossing out ender/hally as a possibility seems weak, and clearing hally entirely based on interactions I'm not sure passes the smell test
worried the team is ender/hally or hally/sunbae or sunbae/ender and monty is just a villager being uncooperative and stubborn for whatever reason
if sunbae's not coming back and is a villager, we are basically forced to all pile on monty and hope he's a wolf or we lose.
if sunbae's a wolf - assuming sunbae/monty isn't a thing, in which case they were explicitly setting sunbae up for a good f3 - then me + monty + the other villager need to all pile on sunbae or his exact partner (which seems like a long shot given everyone's stances)
I'm gonna stay on ender until forced to move
think he is the likeliest wolf based on posts and afaict the only person he clearly isn't w/w with is me.
if it is sunbae/hally, there was obvious reason to ether rask n1 and they were pmuch forced to kill benneh last night - ender top towned both of them, monty and I drawing too much suspicion and good ml targets for f5.
The way they interacted d1 would be surprising, but not close to the most surprising w/w interactions I've seen, and the way they've interacted since Sunbae switched to vulgard d1 could easily be partnered.
That said, this feels more like fitting the evidence aroudn the conclusion than the other way around and I don't think it's winnable anyway, so :shrug: gg if that's the case
forum is bugging the hell out every post
I'm starting to wonder if it really is hally/ender and I was initially correct but got distracted by monty. hally hasn't really done anything in f5, maybe saw they got cleared and monty was gonna get spitroasted and coasted, and I just keep coming back to ender being a wolf. then again if this is the world I'm the only villager who thinks it's actually a realistic possibility so either I'm wrong or screwed lol
Montmorency
07-30-2022, 21:46
can you please expand? If you're town then I really need some more help seeing your perspective
Each of you has spent the game elaborating at length why every, or at least almost every, other player could be maf. Even now no one really - in public - is willing to hard-clear another player.
I just have a lower word count.
D1 is really really so uncomplicated that even my few posts should account for my position. I was starting to TL Vulgard, Barto had a day-pass no matter what, and everyone else started null. Sunbae and Hally took control of the thread and, in my opinion, handled interactions and reads in a sub-genuine way that mostly helped condition the field for a variety of scenarios. Both Sunbae and Hally had seemed poised for wagons at various times throughout the day, with Hally finally becoming the CW to Vulgard. It's... only logical that I would offer a Sunbae-Hally TDome.
I'm not going to present any ISO-walls in this game to try to narrativize my suspicions for the thread, and at any rate I can't even synthesize a single must-die differential read, meaning it would be a lot of effort gambling that Sunbae is scum and a no-show and all the townies among Ender-Zack-Hally notice something in the walls that compels them to join me in voting him or his partner.
To angleshoot my previous post, if Sunbae is AFK for EOD as scum, things might become clearer toward EOD. Who would Sunbae be confident enough to hand the keys to? Ender as partner really can't afford to pack it up and go AFK as well, since that would be a dweebish way to snatch defeat. I think scum-Sunbae is more comfortable peacing out if Hally or Zack is the partner, and I just don't accept Sunbae-Hally all-gaming a strategy suited for twice the player base.
If Sunbae is scum the only way to beat them is to find their partner, which I haven't been able to do. According to my framework, if Sunbae is town, Ender is the best differential bet (Zack-Hally is already a foregone conclusion as I said).
There are almost no worlds in which EOD players allow this F5 to resolve 2-2-1, so I can't expect the dignity of a tiebreaker with Ender. Realistically I would have to either vote Zack and convince Ender to join, or vote Ender and convince Hally to join.
alright, thank you for the response and breakdown. if you're town, I'm sorry if my pestering was annoying but I was having a hard time seeing the process behind the reads you were presenting to the thread and that's kind of the key to townreading someone. If you're maf, I apologize for nothing :bow:
now let's kill ender :yes:
alright, thank you for the response and breakdown. if you're town, I'm sorry if my pestering was annoying but I was having a hard time seeing the process behind the reads you were presenting to the thread and that's kind of the key to townreading someone. If you're maf, I apologize for nothing :bow:
now let's kill ender :yes:
Montmorency
07-30-2022, 22:51
Hm actually I really hate that Monty post Sunbae just quoted.
bold mine
afaict these two thoughts are contradictory and I don't see how the second evolves so quickly after the first as a natural thought
he also voted barto a few posts later anyway and was thanking posts of people sussing barto all eod
:computer:
Hmmm, two bad posts.
Zack's is worse, but Ender looks opportunistic in context for taking any excuse to detour from his elaborate suss on Zack and Hally and thereupon go absent.
Let's recap:
Reject Hally-Sunbae (and it's GG anyway).
Reject Zack-Hally (plausible but GG because wagonomics checkmate so no point contesting).
Zack-Sunbae (only beatable with Monty-Hally-Ender combined)
Ender-Sunbae
Ender-Zack
Ender-Hally
Ender is not the *worst* oust mechanically, but substantively I have doubts it continues the game.
vote: ender
Genuinely disconcerting. I may be boxed in here, but I'm gonna wait to see if Ender shows up.
Players Votes
EnderWiggin 3 (Zack, Montmorency, Hally)
Montmorency 2 (EnderWiggin, Sunbae)
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Montmorency
07-30-2022, 23:34
Remarkable that my objectively-closest pairings for Mafia are with Zack and Ender, given that they're also the only available options I have to salvage the game today.
Players Votes
EnderWiggin 3 (Zack, Montmorency, Hally)
Montmorency 2 (EnderWiggin, Sunbae)
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Oh yeah, I'm voting Ender.
EnderWiggin Get in here, it's you-Zack TDome, assuming mafia aren't just entertaining themselves with some light theater. It's either you, or you get Hally to pile onto Zack.
if you?re a villager and think zack/ender aren?t w/w this is indeed what you should do :2thumbsup:
Actually a weird comment to make, as it's affirming a tautology.
Hally: Town
Sunbae: Town
Zack-Ender: Anti-pair
Then the only remaining pairs are Monty-Zack or Monty-Ender. Like, who makes the comment 'If you think Player X is mechanically guaranteed to be a hit, voting them is indeed what you should do'?
Made more amusing by Sunbae's wall 12 minutes later:
6. The wolves are either Mont/Zack or Ender/Mont. That is my solve. I am voting Mont and not moving.
Just one of those Sunbae-Hally moments I guess.
ignore for now, just grabbing stuff
I had Sunbae gut wolfy early too but the complete lack of defense as people agreed with it make me ? it
Monty is probably town. Benneh is probably town. You're maybe town. The reason for you is weaker and boils down to "The read on me due to previous games where I was mislunched feels legit."
Idk guv felt towny.
Can you explain how you became consensus POE by D3 that time and how it does or doesn't apply here?
Uh. I became consensus POE because I did the thing where I draw way too much attention to myself D1 as wolf and then couldn't shake it because I defended the wolf that died D1.
I do not intend to defend a wolf that dies D1 this game? Smile.
Perfect. How strongly do you feel about Hally?
I don't think Zack could be scum, he posted the sentence he used as town.
Uh. Not that strongly.
I don't think I have a good grasp on her.
But that being said I haven't yet found any compelling reasons to sus her.
why can i not get rid of those quotes and quote new posts?
apparently i have to manually uncheck each quote to clear them which is too much work so i?m just quoting one at a time
#dealwithit
actually i can copy paste them into one post
rest of D1 stuff
I suppose. How do you feel about me voting Sunbae?
I support the freedom to vote who you want.
I just would disagree with the vote.
More chill than I expected.
Montmorency
07-31-2022, 00:09
Hally-Sunbae GG
Hally-Zack GG
Ender-Zack GG
Ender-Hally GG
Sunbae-Zack 5% winnable
Sunbae-Ender 20% winnable
Wagonomics more or less guarantees my ouster in 4/6 pairings. Don't think I can rally against Sunbae though. #WhereIsEnder
are these all of the d1 interactions?
D2 stuff
Could punt Monty too.
Raskol was obv town but idk why they get blasted like that, gonna check their ISO in a bit just in case.
Zack's poked at a lot of things but I never feel like he's trying hard to direct thread which implies he's comfortable with letting other people lead it which doesn't feel congruent with how town is dying right now.
Also just gut tells me he's a wolf. Which is pretty dumb.
Also I don't think Benneh is wolf with Monty and if Zack is town I'm townreading a wolf.
Not impossible but not what I'm thinking about now.
are these all of the d1 interactions?
afaict yeah
i just looked at it from ender’s side because i don’t remember mont mentioning ender really but if someone wants to do a skim feel free
i don’t have time to look on my phone
Yeah ender's progression on monty is pretty rough, I mentioned it earlier in the phase. Reading through all the back and forth in a row like that, I could even see Monty being villa and Ender being a wolf that really just didn't give an f about him
afaict you got the d1 stuff
for d2 I found this near SOD:
Ok, let me put it as no one else scum-reads you, as of SOD. I can't technically vouch for the players yet to appear, but the EOD status of Neb, Barto, and Ender AFAIK was away from SRing you. Ender for his part definitively defended you, beyond his fake vote.
Vote: Sunbae
And you could be setting up chained MLs of Hally-Monty FTW. There's always a way out.
How serious does it need to be? "Vulgard is 100% town and you'd better oust him over my dead body"? I laid out a pretty clear POE, even if the "reasons" will never be to your standard.
Remind me, genuinely.
and this during EOD:
bart has been lightly wolf reading ender but not outside the realm of distancing really
mont i don?t remember saying anything about him
I've had him in the nulls with non-Sun/Hally/Bart.
then today he came in convinced wolves were both in me/hally/sunbae and wasn't considering ender despite not townreading him either.
It's been awhile since I've seen Monty wolf but he usually likes to distance/bus (though he's insisted this is a mischaracterization). It's definitely odd but frankly I'm having a hard time seeing why he had such a blind spot for Ender all game as a villager, yes even after I jsut said I coudl see it being w/v a few posts ago - sue me
for now I want to flip ender then figure out the rest in f3, just kill the wolfiest person
and i think he has by far the worst f5 posts of anyone
Montmorency
07-31-2022, 00:35
Sunbae EOD2: Bart > Mont > Neb
Sunbae D3: No witnesses
Mafia Warehouse Disco #17.
Everyone is scummy and I can't do anything about it. :bigcry:
then today he came in convinced wolves were both in me/hally/sunbae and wasn't considering ender despite not townreading him either.
It's been awhile since I've seen Monty wolf but he usually likes to distance/bus (though he's insisted this is a mischaracterization). It's definitely odd but frankly I'm having a hard time seeing why he had such a blind spot for Ender all game as a villager, yes even after I jsut said I coudl see it being w/v a few posts ago - sue me
for now I want to flip ender then figure out the rest in f3, just kill the wolfiest person
Because it's not in my style to aggressively solve into nulls.
Sunbae EOD2: Bart > Mont > Neb
Sunbae D3: No witnesses
Mafia Warehouse Disco #17.
Everyone is scummy and I can't do anything about it. :bigcry:
Because it's not in my style to aggressively solve into nulls.
what does the first part of this about sunbae mean
and why not?
EnderWiggin
07-31-2022, 00:37
I see "too sick to care a lot about the game" is now "chilling".
Hally by your own rules unless you sus Sunbae you should be on Monty.
I don't have Monty as my biggest sus but I'm committed to him as town and if Monty is town tbh it's game over.
But I don't think Monty is town now. Hally/Zack as wolves have no reason to rock the boat here
I see "too sick to care a lot about the game" is now "chilling".
Hally by your own rules unless you sus Sunbae you should be on Monty.
I don't have Monty as my biggest sus but I'm committed to him as town and if Monty is town tbh it's game over.
But I don't think Monty is town now. Hally/Zack as wolves have no reason to rock the boat here
most likely mont partners iyo?
EnderWiggin
07-31-2022, 00:39
I'm committed to Sunbae town*
Brain bluh
EnderWiggin
07-31-2022, 00:41
most likely mont partners iyo?
You are still the gut scumread I have. So I have to say you.
Montmorency
07-31-2022, 00:42
Ender, the only alternative is Zack.
what does the first part of this about sunbae mean
Just before the flip he proposed POEing me and Neb conditional on Bart red.
By D3 Bart and Neb had flipped and Sunbae worked to find reasons to TR or exclude everyone but me, keeping the remnant of his POE, the most-favorable option if m-Sunbae. IIRC I read a Mafia Academy, or whatever that subforum is called, article that failing to re-evaluate under such circumstances can be a sign of mafia working to control the threadflow.
It's just as well I suppose, since the only winnable scenarios at the moment both include m-Sunbae. Not even confbias but more like quietism.
and why not?
:shrug: or ?\_(ツ)_/?
EnderWiggin
07-31-2022, 00:42
Could be Hally/Monty but I've opened thread with literally 30m to go so
You are still the gut scumread I have. So I have to say you.
alright
spitting in my face here is maybe villagy
EnderWiggin
07-31-2022, 00:43
Literally my only partner here could be Sunbae.
Someone tell me why Sunbae is a wolf
Players Votes
EnderWiggin 3 (Zack, Montmorency, Hally)
Montmorency 2 (EnderWiggin, Sunbae)
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believe this is still correct
EnderWiggin
07-31-2022, 00:44
Hally, Zack, whichever one of you is town needs to seriously consider how Sunbae is my partner.
If it was one of y'all then we literally chill on Monty
Montmorency
07-31-2022, 00:44
Literally my only partner here could be Sunbae.
Someone tell me why Sunbae is a wolf
See:
Hally-Sunbae GG
Hally-Zack GG
Ender-Zack GG
Ender-Hally GG
Sunbae-Zack 5% winnable
Sunbae-Ender 20% winnable
Wagonomics more or less guarantees my ouster in 4/6 pairings. Don't think I can rally against Sunbae though. #WhereIsEnder
ender/mont interactions are pretty weird, esp from ender?s side
D1 ender town reads mont for vibes. iirc this was when sunbae/me were also town reading mont and nobody was susing him, so safe place to plop a town read on a partner (though maybe ender makes an effort to explain it if w/w?).
then they have a prolonged interaction at EoD when the wagons are me/vul where they talk about unrelated things like why ender was PoE?d as a wolf in sorc (how is this relevant to figuring out ender?s alignment when he wasn?t even getting PoE?d?). mont asks him about me and he gives a noncommittal answer. then mont asks about sunbae and he says he doesn?t agree with voting there but mont can do what he wants. notably earlier ender said sunbae was LOCK TOWN and we would vote sunbae over his dead body but in this exchange he just shrugs at mont wanting to vote sunbae, and mont even says the reply seems more chill than expected but does nothing with it. this entire interaction seems to go nowhere and serve no purpose. monty doesn?t seem to be doing anything with the answers he gets.
what?s interesting is they don?t talk about vul at all despite him being a wagon. mont claims he thought vul was the villageriest person D1 and ender was voting vul atp (and in fact started vul?s wagon after omgusing vul for voting him), yet mont doesn?t question ender?s vote on vul or say he town reads vul or anything. it?s such an obvious and interesting topic if monty is truly trying to sort ender here but he doesn?t even mention it.
just a bizarre exchange frankly. it?s such a long back and forth with no discernible purpose. very ping pongy.
fast forward to SoD2 and mont is getting his booty spanked by zack and sunbae. ender comes in and his town read on mont from D1 is now gone? he says he could lunch monty. then he?s pretty much gone for the rest of the day and mont ends up not being in danger.
today ender comes in voting me and says zack is his second wolf read. he doesn?t mention mont iirc. then when sunbae starts burying mont he pivots to voting mont very easily.
what is going on here lol
EnderWiggin
07-31-2022, 00:46
As for #whereisender?
Ender decided he was probably going to be alive for an f3 and didn't know which of Zack or Hally it was and it was either Monty is scum or game over so he mentally checked out to try and get better before f3 or at least retain energy for it
Monty/hally or ender/sunbae seem most possible to me
betting on the former
EnderWiggin
07-31-2022, 00:47
Hally really pre-scumreading me off Monty's flip?
Montmorency
07-31-2022, 00:47
Let's just vote Zack I guess?
the thing that makes me hesitant is that until today i don’t think mont has actually talked about or made an effort to read ender? this can be a w/w tell for some wolves who struggle to talk about their bros but i’m not sure if mont is one of them and generally in a two wolf game i would expect a wolf to attempt to make a read on their partner
not sure if it’s enough to rule it out though
or this is just w/w and playing for f3 now
Players Votes
Montmorency 3 (EnderWiggin, Sunbae, Zack)
EnderWiggin 2 (Montmorency, Hally)
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EnderWiggin
07-31-2022, 00:49
As if I would not try and undermine Sunbae if I was partners with Monty
As if I would not try and undermine Sunbae if I was partners with Monty
bussing monty and trying to pocket sunbae is not that far-fetched
As if I would not try and undermine Sunbae if I was partners with Monty
bussing monty and trying to pocket sunbae is not that far-fetched
Montmorency
07-31-2022, 00:53
Questionnaire: Which of the following would you be willing to vote?
Zack ☑ ☐
Ender ☑ ☐
Hally ☑ ☐
Sunbae ☑ ☐
I'll YOLO anyone of course, but you have 5 minutes to decide on a non-Monty.
i am just going to trust sunbae, if him and monty are v/v we lose anyway since he's not here to change his vote
i reread the whole game btw, or well i skimmed
and my biggest takeaways other than mont/ender interactions were that 1) idk why i was town reading ender at any point lol and 2) i think i stand by my sunbae/zack not w/w read (not that it really matters because we’re losing today if that’s the team anyway)
i also still think sunbae is probably town? but the sunbae/ender mutual defense still gives me a lot of pause because in rereading i didn’t really get how they arrived at such strong and lasting town reads on each other, so i do think it’s still possible they went for the powerwolf go brrr strat
but i also am kinda okay losing to sunbae still lol
so i dunno, the mont/ender interactions is probably the most interesting nugget i have rn
yeah okay
ender/monty
hally/monty
ender/sunbae
if it's anything else we lost anyway
glgl
EnderWiggin
07-31-2022, 00:58
And now Monty flips town and I discover that my last minute flailing didn't matter
alright w/e
i wanted to hold the ender vote to make him sweat a bit but realistically i was always voting mont here
vote: mont
if this is wrong and sunbae fooled everyone i’m pretty content with losing
glgl
Players Votes
Montmorency 4 (EnderWiggin, Sunbae, Hally, Zack)
EnderWiggin 1 (Montmorency)
whatthistextdo
Montmorency
07-31-2022, 01:00
yeah okay
ender/monty
hally/monty
ender/sunbae
if it's anything else we lost anyway
glgl
Hally-Sunbae GG
Hally-Zack GG
Ender-Zack GG
Ender-Hally GG
Sunbae-Zack 5% winnable
Sunbae-Ender 20% winnable
Wagonomics more or less guarantees my ouster in 4/6 pairings. Don't think I can rally against Sunbae though. #WhereIsEnder
Ender-Sunbae is only winnable if you actually vote Ender here... not that it matter atp. gg
have a feeling we just lost tbh but oh well
Montmorency
07-31-2022, 01:00
Please be good early leans.
day iis over
48 hours for corrections
day iis over
48 hours for corrections
hurry up old man
i need the whole evening free for my postgame self flagellation
Montmorency has been killed. They were Vanilla Town.
The WOLVES have won. Congrats Zack and Sunbae, thanks for playing everyone, hope you had fun, was a good game to watch, well played to all.
Alive: (4/9)
1. Hally, Vanilla Town, endgamed D3.
3. Sunbae, Mafia Goon, won D3.
7. EnderWiggin, Vanilla Town, endgamed D3.
9. Zack, Mafia Goon, won D3.
Dead: (5/9)
5. Vulgard, Vanilla Town, died D1.
2. Raskolnikov, Vanilla Town, killed N1.
8. El Barto, Vanilla Town, died D2.
4. nebjiamn, Vanilla Town, killed N2.
6. Montmorency, Vanilla Town, died D3.
welp, we were never getting there
ggs y’all, wp
https://discord.gg/Pp3mbYn7u7 graveyard
https://discord.gg/ZD9KBn6nbR wolfchat
gg all
Montmorency
07-31-2022, 01:08
welp, we were never getting there
ggs y’all, wp
Who is this we, paleface? :wink:
I'm satisfied with my private process at least. Wish Ender could have come out a little earlier.
https://i.imgur.com/5SCVSQG.jpg
Close enough.
gg
interesting team
i had nebulous concerns on both of them at points throughout the game but they interacted well and really just outposted the villagers to the point where i pretty much felt forced to not vote them
not sure there was much i could do with how it shook out and they put in the effort when it counted to close it out
very wp
EnderWiggin
07-31-2022, 01:11
I was fucking right on Zack the whole time.
Bloody hell. Gg wp
wolves got a lot of heat at various points but really posted their way out of it
was fun y’all
i’d definitely be down to play more small casual games like this
EnderWiggin
07-31-2022, 01:12
Wish I said fuck it and tried to force Zack but eh idk how well I would've done being sick
my analysis of the rask kill that there was one or more wolves in the big names was totally correct
#NKAworks #notbusywork
Montmorency
07-31-2022, 01:19
Wish I said fuck it and tried to force Zack but eh idk how well I would've done being sick
We had good opportunities today and yesterday but couldn't teamwork.
Surprised that Zack didn't really pick up on all the times I shaded him early game, at least in chat. And it really has to be either Zack or Hally who kills Rask (and Neb...).
Neb MVP btw
zapp — Yesterday at 5:06 AM
this feels headed to a good place so far, good work
lets hope monty doesnt storm in with 5 walls that blow hally/ender away and shake up the game in a way that's unfavorable to us
lol where do you think I find that Super Saiyan energy.
https://i.imgur.com/4Wv06bS.jpg
sunbae was the one who wanted to kill rask, not me
idk what you mean
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