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Visor
10-28-2023, 01:32
Visor why are you scum reading wisdom?

the tarot cards said i will find wisdom in death

Suibian
10-28-2023, 01:32
sheepable reason I guess.

Visor
10-28-2023, 01:33
so my initial read on wisdom was that they were too slanky to be a wolf but then they made some more posts and i was like woah slow down there chief thats some wolfy stuff

ender still more likely to be a wolf tho imo

Visor
10-28-2023, 01:33
sorry i don't really feel like explaining 'i looked at their posts and i felt bad'

thats about it

EnderWiggin
10-28-2023, 01:34
Why do you think Taffy pocketed me?

I'll post my world near EOD. I'm OK with anyone who's been a protowagon or wagon, except Barto since his time isn't ripe.

It's a joke about your "scary mindmeld" comment about Taffy's post.

EnderWiggin
10-28-2023, 01:34
the tarot cards said i will find wisdom in death

Ohshit

Vote: Wisdom

EnderWiggin
10-28-2023, 01:36
Ngl Visor hard-sussing me but not trying to actually build a wagon on me but also interacting with me to disagree with my Monty read is wolfy interesting.

Totally not Taffy
10-28-2023, 01:37
ender or wisdom pls

You got a third option for me?

Visor
10-28-2023, 01:37
you have no votes on you and nobody is around

what is the point

EnderWiggin
10-28-2023, 01:38
you have no votes on you and nobody is around

what is the point

I didn't realise you could cosplay Eeyore so well.

Suibian
10-28-2023, 01:38
I want to believe in Visor and give Monty a day.

I don't want to follow on ender though even though I should probably accept that he has more experience and my early tone read might be dumb and wrong, but I still like it right now.

I will follow onto wisdom. Their posts seem fine but I don't have an actual read there.

Montmorency
10-28-2023, 01:39
ender or wisdom pls

dont kill monty or rask

Why Ender, because he's asking my opinion and therefore has a disingenuous read on me?

He's been scum on the Org a number of times, and today at least he feels less blithe than I would expect for that alignment. Is he at the wrong level of blitheness?


sorry i don't really feel like explaining 'i looked at their posts and i felt bad'

thats about it

weh


It's a joke about your "scary mindmeld" comment about Taffy's post.

Not a great thing to post given the analysis I'm generating above.

Visor
10-28-2023, 01:39
You got a third option for me?

ladd for the memes

Syn
10-28-2023, 01:40
Ngl Visor hard-sussing me but not trying to actually build a wagon on me but also interacting with me to disagree with my Monty read is wolfy interesting.

yes

EnderWiggin
10-28-2023, 01:40
I want to believe in Visor and give Monty a day.

I don't want to follow on ender though even though I should probably accept that he has more experience and my early tone read might be dumb and wrong, but I still like it right now.

I will follow onto wisdom. Their posts seem fine but I don't have an actual read there.

My wolfrange is "Yes" if that helps.

EnderWiggin
10-28-2023, 01:41
Not a great thing to post given the analysis I'm generating above.

This just makes me wanna be more blithe tbqh.

Montmorency
10-28-2023, 01:41
I guess it's that time of the day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wphTAEQusLk

Jan
10-28-2023, 01:42
so my initial read on wisdom was that they were too slanky to be a wolf but then they made some more posts and i was like woah slow down there chief thats some wolfy stuff

ender still more likely to be a wolf tho imo

Wisdom pushing against syn and myself before anyone else didn't feel like a wolf move to me.

Visor
10-28-2023, 01:43
Why Ender, because he's asking my opinion and therefore has a disingenuous read on me?

He's been scum on the Org a number of times, and today at least he feels less blithe than I would expect for that alignment. Is he at the wrong level of blitheness?



weh



Not a great thing to post given the analysis I'm generating above.

mostly just that i feel he is missing a spark of enderness in terms of having his pet read/push

he is definitely got the mucking around aspect present in both his alignments, just feel like he is hanging back more in this game

Montmorency
10-28-2023, 01:43
Gemma tally plz

Vote: Ender

Sleep
10-28-2023, 01:43
i got other stuff going on but i'll be sure to check in before deadline

Suibian
10-28-2023, 01:45
My wolfrange is "Yes" if that helps.

Are you saying me tone reading you is dumb because your scum range is that wide? Like you're going hahahaha I will make you paranoid! It's totally fine just fine. I'm good at reevaluating.

Visor
10-28-2023, 01:45
im not like conv8inced monty is a villager but i am tired of him getting run up

Montmorency
10-28-2023, 01:46
Reaction test failed, we'll get 'em next time.

Vote: Rask

EnderWiggin
10-28-2023, 01:46
Are you saying me tone reading you is dumb because your scum range is that wide? Like you're going hahahaha I will make you paranoid! It's totally fine just fine. I'm good at reevaluating.

I like making people paranoid =P

Gemma
10-28-2023, 01:48
Votal 1.5

Monty (3) - Rask (#38 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850576&viewfull=1#post2053850576)), Barto (#67 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850606&viewfull=1#post2053850606)), Wisdom (#185 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850726&viewfull=1#post2053850726))
Wisdom (3) - Visor (#147 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850686&viewfull=1#post2053850686)), Sleep (#229 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850770&viewfull=1#post2053850770)), Ender (#256 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850797&viewfull=1#post2053850797))
Barto (2) - Jan (#73 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850612&viewfull=1#post2053850612)), ladd (#175 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850716&viewfull=1#post2053850716))
Rask (2) - Taffy (#11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850548&viewfull=1#post2053850548)), Monty (#274 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850816&viewfull=1#post2053850816))
Jan (1) - Suibian (#9 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850546&viewfull=1#post2053850546))
Taffy (1) - Syn (#232 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850773&viewfull=1#post2053850773))

https://media.tenor.com/FVL2P5gxMnAAAAAM/phew-close.gif

Day 1 has ended.

Suibian
10-28-2023, 01:49
vote barto

Montmorency
10-28-2023, 01:49
Gemma, I messed up the timer. I forgot the fact that by tradition, phases here end at the :01.

:00 good, :01 bad.

Syn
10-28-2023, 01:49
unvote: Taffy

vote: Rask

EnderWiggin
10-28-2023, 01:49
I was gonna change votes but this is a 3-way tie and I like that.

Syn
10-28-2023, 01:49
four-way tie let's go

EnderWiggin
10-28-2023, 01:50
unvote: Taffy

vote: Rask

EVEN BETTER

Visor
10-28-2023, 01:50
a four way tie is acceptable

Totally not Taffy
10-28-2023, 01:52
unvote: Raskolnikov

Syn
10-28-2023, 01:53
unvote: Raskolnikov

outed tbh

Montmorency
10-28-2023, 01:53
unvote: Raskolnikov

lol

EnderWiggin
10-28-2023, 01:54
unvote: Raskolnikov

Changed my mind Taffy is a wolf.

EnderWiggin
10-28-2023, 01:54
How could you Syn

Totally not Taffy
10-28-2023, 01:55
I do not like my wagon partners


unvote: Taffy

vote: Rask

Vote: Syn

Gemma
10-28-2023, 01:55
Votal 1.6

Monty (3) - Rask (#38 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850576&viewfull=1#post2053850576)), Barto (#67 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850606&viewfull=1#post2053850606)), Wisdom (#185 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850726&viewfull=1#post2053850726))
Wisdom (3) - Visor (#147 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850686&viewfull=1#post2053850686)), Sleep (#229 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850770&viewfull=1#post2053850770)), Ender (#256 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850797&viewfull=1#post2053850797))
Barto (3) - Jan (#73 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850612&viewfull=1#post2053850612)), ladd (#175 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850716&viewfull=1#post2053850716)), Suibian (#277 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850819&viewfull=1#post2053850819))
Rask (2) - Monty (#274 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850816&viewfull=1#post2053850816)), Syn (#279 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850821&viewfull=1#post2053850821))
Syn (1) - Taffy (289 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850831&viewfull=1#post2053850831))

https://media.tenor.com/RNkY62ezYP4AAAAM/spongebob-lick.gif

Day 1 has ended.

Totally not Taffy
10-28-2023, 01:56
Vote: Syn

doesn't like voting Rask with me before, but now when it counts at EoD it's good enough to add him to the tie

I can't make up my mind which one being voted is the wolf but Syn definitely is

Suibian
10-28-2023, 01:57
I expected there to be more posts to get rid of the tie. Do you guys really want to keep the tie?

Syn
10-28-2023, 01:57
doesn't like voting Rask with me before, but now when it counts at EoD it's good enough to add him to the tie

I can't make up my mind which one being voted is the wolf but Syn definitely is

logic does not parse

Montmorency
10-28-2023, 01:58
https://i.imgur.com/qga3Wsk.jpg

Montmorency
10-28-2023, 01:59
Worlds from mid-day
:inquisitive: : Syn
YOLO: Bart-Taffy-Rask
Angleshooty: Subo-Jan-Sleep
:shifty: : [REDACTED]

Totally not Taffy
10-28-2023, 01:59
logic does not parse

you unvoted Rask earlier bc you scumread the other ppl on the wagon and now you're voting him with those same ppl to create a bigger tie

Syn
10-28-2023, 01:59
Worlds from mid-day
:inquisitive: : Syn
YOLO: Bart-Taffy-Rask
Angleshooty: Subo-Jan-Sleep
:shifty: : [REDACTED]

what does this even mean

Visor
10-28-2023, 01:59
Vote: El barto

sigh

Montmorency
10-28-2023, 01:59
Vote: Wisdom

EnderWiggin
10-28-2023, 02:00
Vote: Monty

Who saw this top 10 anime betrayal coming

Syn
10-28-2023, 02:00
you unvoted Rask earlier bc you scumread the other ppl on the wagon and now you're voting him with those same ppl to create a bigger tie

that's not why I unvoted him tbh

Gemma
10-28-2023, 02:00
Stop posting.

Montmorency
10-28-2023, 02:00
Vote: Monty

Who saw this top 10 anime betrayal coming

Sucks to be you, but this game has atypical phase ends.

Gemma
10-28-2023, 02:15
Votal 1.7 - EoD1

Monty (4) - Rask (#38 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850576&viewfull=1#post2053850576)), Barto (#67 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850606&viewfull=1#post2053850606)), Wisdom (#185 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850726&viewfull=1#post2053850726)), Ender (#299 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850842&viewfull=1#post2053850842))
Barto (4) - Jan (#73 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850612&viewfull=1#post2053850612)), ladd (#175 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850716&viewfull=1#post2053850716)), Suibian (#277 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850819&viewfull=1#post2053850819)), Visor (#298 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850840&viewfull=1#post2053850840))
Wisdom (2) - Sleep (#229 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850770&viewfull=1#post2053850770)), Monty (#299 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850841&viewfull=1#post2053850841))
Rask (1) - Syn (#279 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850821&viewfull=1#post2053850821))
Syn (1) - Taffy (289 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850831&viewfull=1#post2053850831))

https://media.tenor.com/0FmzSlf3MW0AAAAM/ratyi-kassa.gif

El Barto has been yeeted. Flip incoming.

Gemma
10-28-2023, 02:18
El Barto was:
Cereal Killer, in the form of:
Asesino en cereal Omega
Cereal? Pfauh! You spit out cereal, what fetid, unwelcomed effluviums, what snickling, brabbling, wickedly waggling, uninvitable pleonasms, nor wheat nor oat nor rice shall accost your finedangling senseness! Begone, you say, and you prepare to torch them all to Hades. A diet of meat, for you, morning or evening, meat, yes! More meat! You are cereal killer Omega.

::)::

A night like any other, you are wandering an idle street when you think you hear a voice mumbling something about… despots? Why despots? Their words sound grandiose and absurd, but you are shaken. You immediately rush home, and by the time the front door closes to your back you are drenched in sweat. Something has awoken in you, as though a key were turned in a lock deep within the recesses of your soul, and you can never go back. Or, maybe… If you destroy that voice. Maybe then, you will find peace. Yes. You must. You must destroy all cereals.

You win when all cereals have been incinerated or nothing can stop the same.


(Modnote: this means they were a Mafia Goon.)

===============================================================

Flavor fakeclaim
Vanilla cereal, in the form of:
Muesli
You would be nowhere and nothing without rolled oats, but when you are little more than rolled oats you are worthless, by no fault of the oats. You are your best self when soaked or submerged, you must neither be sweet nor bitter, and while you should never be difficult to chew, you always are. Nuts, seeds, and dehydrated fruits are your needy children, and they dry your mouth and lips to a desert—your kingdom for a yogurt. Much to your own chagrin, you are a muesli.

::)::

You’ve always been afraid of death. Please don’t kill me, you whisper prayerfully to the night, but you know it ignores you. Sometimes a strange longing takes you, and for a moment you believe you’re about to meet your end. “Los geht’s!” you sob sincerely under your breath. “Die Meuchelmörder in den Getreideflocken nehmen mich weg.”

One day, as the rising sun peeks through your huddled cardboard covers, you have an epiphany, or at least a thought. “Ich bin der Fürsprecher der Despoeten,” you proclaim unconvincingly. “Und niemand bringt mich zum Schweigen. ¡Adelante, meine Waffe ist meine Stimme!” You emerge from your dusty fortress into the dawnlit lands and set out ayonder with tongue in hand. You may be a little bland, but you certainly have an appetite.

You win when all threats to cereal have been eaten.

Gemma
10-28-2023, 02:35
Night actions will be locked in 1 hour before deadline, please submit/finalize before then, thank you!

Night 1 end: Night 1 has ended.

Gemma
10-28-2023, 03:25
Rules clarification that votes made during :00 will be counted and votes made during :01 will not as per usual org doings, but votes after modpost saying stop posting will not be counted, so whichever comes first. Updated OP to reflect this.

Gemma
10-28-2023, 14:50
Cape90 replaces Kagemusha.

Gemma
10-29-2023, 02:01
El Barto may no longer be with us, but the omega grindset will live on in our memories. A vase of fresh flowers for their grave. They were only trying to free themselves of their demons, after all.

End flavor text, now back to the game:

Montmorency has died!

Their role PM:
Vanilla cereal, in the form of:
Arroz crujientes
You are a snapping, crackling, popping sonofagun, and adulthood is no bar to your call. Whether glued to a dessert or prancing around a shallow bowl, you are an ideal midnight snack. You are the only cereal better almost to listen to than to eat, but you are nothing if not a perfect canvas for the delights of honey. Few cereals better bring out the sticky sweetness of the bees than you, and, in time, you have learned to embrace your place in the world. You are rice bubbles.

::)::

You’ve always been afraid of death. Please don’t kill me, you whisper prayerfully to the night, but you know it ignores you. Sometimes a strange longing takes you, and for a moment you believe you’re about to meet your end. “Aquí está,” you say out loud. “Los asesinos en cereales me llevan.”

One day, as the rising sun peeks through your huddled cardboard covers, you have an epiphany, or at least a thought. “Soy le defensore de les despoetices,” you proclaim convincingly. “Y nadie puede silenciarme. ¡Adelante, mi arma es mi voz!” You emerge from your dusty fortress into the dawnlit lands and set out ayonder with tongue in hand. You may be a little bland, but you certainly have an appetite.

You win when all threats to cereal have been eaten.


(This means they were a VT.)

Day 2 has started! It ends in eod2

Jan
10-29-2023, 02:02
Still alive?

Odd kill.

I am not really happy about that flip tbh.

ladd
10-29-2023, 02:04
vote:ender

thought his posting after i went to sleep was pretty terrible


also wanna see more from rask/wisdom


i have a match so i'll be mostly afk on sunday

ladd
10-29-2023, 02:05
monty was fairly spewed from wagonomics (and i dont say this often lol)


still weird kill tho

Jan
10-29-2023, 02:08
monty was fairly spewed from wagonomics (and i dont say this often lol)


still weird kill tho

I didn't think there was a world where I live unless wolves are dodging protection.
Doesn't matter. let's hope cape will do stuff and we can get the real game going now.

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 02:12
I think I'm pretty happy to call Visor town after that EOD.

I'm invested in what his takes are now.

Visor
10-29-2023, 02:15
monty is not the kill i expected but it makes sense i guess

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 02:17
As a side note:
Last time I remember ladd pushing with generic takes on me he was wolf and I only got saved by Vulgard hero-shotting him.

Jan
10-29-2023, 02:17
~Villas in order
Suibian

Totally not Taffy

Wisdom

Raskolnikov
----

~good vote, good vibe, good wolf
Visor
ladd

~on watchlist
Sleep
EnderWiggin
Syn


~no posts no judgement
Cape90


no reason to sheep any of this. but that is my thought as of right now.

Visor
10-29-2023, 02:17
don't really think ender is a wolf anymore, thought about it overnight and realised theres no way he makes that move as a wolf when he is basically just turbo punting his team if it backfires

interested to see capes takes

still kinda wanna kill wisdom i think

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 02:18
I didn't think there was a world where I live unless wolves are dodging protection.
Doesn't matter. let's hope cape will do stuff and we can get the real game going now.

Ngl you weren't even on my list of expected deaths tonight. What made you expect you to be top kill?

I was anticipating Visor myself.

Jan
10-29-2023, 02:19
monty is not the kill i expected but it makes sense i guess

The wagons were lackluster enough that a w/w world felt possible to me.
And I think some people will always push to resolve d1 wagons.

Maybe just a bad pr read (or Wolves hit protection and this was a vig shot).

Jan
10-29-2023, 02:21
Ngl you weren't even on my list of expected deaths tonight. What made you expect you to be top kill?

I was anticipating Visor myself.

I had one vote all day and that was barto based on his first and only post.
Everybody that has any idea how to read me had me as villager.

The main reason for me not to die is because some people don't know me.

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 02:21
The wagons were lackluster enough that a w/w world felt possible to me.
And I think some people will always push to resolve d1 wagons.

Maybe just a bad pr read (or Wolves hit protection and this was a vig shot).

Ngl I was gonna push Monty today if he was left alive. Maybe not as hard as yesterday but didn't feel like it was unpairing to me.

Visor
10-29-2023, 02:21
i thought jan or ladd were most likely to die given the vote (inb4 bussers)

i guess a monty kill makes me think bussing is more likely but even so, hard to go there for now

Visor
10-29-2023, 02:21
Ngl I was gonna push Monty today if he was left alive. Maybe not as hard as yesterday but didn't feel like it was unpairing to me.

??? lol

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 02:22
??? lol

His Wisdom vote felt like it could've been trying to not vote a partner idk.

Feels a little silly now he's flipped green.

Jan
10-29-2023, 02:25
i guess a monty kill makes me think bussing is more likely but even so, hard to go there for now

Kind of why ladd and you are not in my actual villa circle and have your own separate slots.

Visor
10-29-2023, 02:28
His Wisdom vote felt like it could've been trying to not vote a partner idk.

Feels a little silly now he's flipped green.

idk i just dont think monty would play that eod as w/w like that

moot point anyway

jan, is tammy a busser? only recall playing turbos really with her and no memory lol

Jan
10-29-2023, 02:31
Kind of why ladd and you are not in my actual villa circle and have your own separate slots.


vote:el barto

Gonna make a boring place holder but 99% ill be back

I dont say this often but this feels like the kind of game that could use some eod chaos

I can easily see wolf!ladd putting down this vote expecting it to be offwagon.

Again not where I want to look right now.
His vote still killed a wolf in the end.

Jan
10-29-2023, 02:34
idk i just dont think monty would play that eod as w/w like that

moot point anyway

jan, is tammy a busser? only recall playing turbos really with her and no memory lol

Don't know for certain.

I gave her all the reasons to move away when I said not to sheep me. I just really don't think she is a wolf. But I am also the person she would be pocketing right now.

ladd
10-29-2023, 02:34
i think the wagon was pure, everyone on it is villagery on top of having voted a wolf


and i dont say this just cause i am on it :curtain:



also possible monty was vigged and the nk was saved shug.jpg

Syn
10-29-2023, 02:35
hello

ladd
10-29-2023, 02:38
part of why i thought monty was a villager overnight is specifically cause barto wagon looks pure and monty wagon looks like it has at least 2 wolves on it

if wagons were w/w, wolves would be bussing barto, not monty



anyway, i just wanna hear more from the PoE today but ender push on monty felt a RVS vote turned into a real push and reminded me of his push on syn that game where he was a wolf. this post:


Heya Monty.

Can I have some brief top town/top wolf reads from ya?

Just like... idk

First 3 names for either like Taffy did to pocket you.

felt like a classic post a wolf makes to the villager they ar epushing to make them think they still care to revalutate them


and this:


Ngl Visor hard-sussing me but not trying to actually build a wagon on me but also interacting with me to disagree with my Monty read is wolfy interesting.

is a pretty fun shroop of the wolfy kind IYAM

Cape90
10-29-2023, 02:58
Hey, so I am here, been feeling not the best just as a heads up

I have some notes that I made overnight though on where I am at.

Cape90
10-29-2023, 03:05
Fair warning I was really tired when making these reads and they may or may not actually reflect where I am at in the game like... however many posts from now I re-evaluate things, like I wanted to look at Syn again for instance cuz I wasn't following sus on him when the threadstate seemed to sus Syn a lot from what i recall.

#215 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850756&viewfull=1#post2053850756) is a towny post on ladd from EnderWiggin

EnderWiggin has these sort of towny stream of thought posts #210 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850751&viewfull=1#post2053850751)

Kinda like Visor but not following the sus on EnderWiggin

Very sure Syn is town #164 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850704&viewfull=1#post2053850704)

#226 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850767&viewfull=1#post2053850767)

I hate literally everything Rask is saying and I don't know how to process that.

Wisdom is mega wolfy feeling just on how I have seen them treat Jan. Maybe also oppurtunistic on Montmorency

Montmorency being pushed for being Montmorency I see. I think they are maybe outed town for like this one comment on El Barto #247 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850788&viewfull=1#post2053850788)

There is something "mild" feeling about Jan and idk how to read it. Not with Wisdom is how i will read it for now LOL. But he is def town out of the 2 honestly, like I townread like... some of like the things i see

Sleep is the most obvious town I have read this game. Congratulations, especially if you are wolf!

ladd I would say is pretty towny. I saw ladd cast a kinda big net on potential suspects, but idk if that means anything esp day 1, El Barto dying d1 means threadstate was probably generally towny?

Suibian is very obvious town. I mean between this/ladd/jan/visor, wouldn't be surprised if 0 mafia in here.

Taffy feels more lazy then me and im typing this at night when i really shouldn't be... 1 in Taffy/Rask maybe?

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Sidenote: Please point me to posts that you want me to see/comment on for important post visibility, thanks

Also coming into today, I feel more like Jan is town

Cape90
10-29-2023, 03:08
I should have and meant to put asterisks around my Monty notes :p since he died. was too focused on hyperlinking some stuff that i kinda gave up on half way through

Cape90
10-29-2023, 03:24
My wolfrange is "Yes" if that helps.

I feel like this could be a scummy quote


Ngl Visor hard-sussing me but not trying to actually build a wagon on me but also interacting with me to disagree with my Monty read is wolfy interesting.

You are the same person that predicted Visor would die in the night aren't you?


Right I nearly forgot. But Taffy trying to bait people into scumreading them is actually towny I think.

This sounds like a towny thought to say, but I am unsure if it means anything for Taffy just because I have seen wolves do stuff like this (though I don't recall the context of this post, this isn't something I have noticed from Taffy, but I also checked them last before just crashing into bed).


Ladd feels mildly opportunistic in the way his reads have moved. I'm keeping this one in my back pocket but I'm also not gonna explain it because idk. I'm not calling this one a scumread so much as--

Actually yeah nm Ladd can be 4th on my list.

What do you mean it was supposed to only be 3 names??

Again, I do think this post is towny

Do you have the same feelings about ladd now? I mean you literally did say that ladd used a generic reason to push you and also said that the last time this happened ladd was wolf but also i dont think u voted ladd for any of this so...


Good luck getting as much effort about any of my other reads this phase.

My other sort of scumread rn is Jan.

Mostly cause (and this is going to sound self-centred I know), the following post:


It feels like the lame-duck style I see often used to shade people without directly attacking them.

I also don't know Jan that well so this is a wild hipshot of a read but I feel good about it.

Eh.


His Wisdom vote felt like it could've been trying to not vote a partner idk.

Feels a little silly now he's flipped green.

Well I have looked far and wide but there isn't a read on Wisdom in your ISO, but what is your Wisdom read? I am curious

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I still think EnderWiggin is town after looking again though, thought he popped in today kinda towny too with the Mont sus with justifications... after the fact that they don't matter anymore

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 03:26
is a pretty fun shroop of the wolfy kind IYAM

"Wolfy interesting" is a specific call out to Pizza's guide. =P

Syn
10-29-2023, 03:29
vote: Taffy

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 03:30
You are the same person that predicted Visor would die in the night aren't you?

Yes. That was before he sniped the wolf at eod chaos.

It went from "Sus visor" to reading at night and nodding and then "Ah, town visor."

Syn
10-29-2023, 03:44
Yes. That was before he sniped the wolf at eod chaos.

It went from "Sus visor" to reading at night and nodding and then "Ah, town visor."

I would not be so quick to lock-town someone who voted out a 1-post slot

Cape90
10-29-2023, 03:52
Hi, I don't really get why the stuff I quoted from Syn I thought was towny, so I will look more and see if I missed something.


hello

That's all ur pop in? IDK I thought interesting things like ladd's EnderWiggin vote happened this SOD. speaking of

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part of why i thought monty was a villager overnight is specifically cause barto wagon looks pure and monty wagon looks like it has at least 2 wolves on it

if wagons were w/w, wolves would be bussing barto, not monty



anyway, i just wanna hear more from the PoE today but ender push on monty felt a RVS vote turned into a real push and reminded me of his push on syn that game where he was a wolf. this post:



felt like a classic post a wolf makes to the villager they ar epushing to make them think they still care to revalutate them


and this:



is a pretty fun shroop of the wolfy kind IYAM

1. I mean I guess, but it is an outlier in EnderWiggin's ISO, it isn't the norm and I have asked plenty a question like that to someone I suspect who I feel underwhelmed by as town. In other words IDK if that is really AI.

2. That's funny, I mean I will bounce between those words when describing things, but I don't usually put them both together (you are aware of this too as you called it a SHROOP). I don't put stock into SHROOP reads at all though.

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Anyways back to Syn


that's not why I unvoted him tbh

Thought this was towny at first glance, but it is one of those things that could be said to not seem like you have an agenda.

Just because Taffy obviously phrased it that way (the person Syn is responding too (I wish this site wouldn't do this with it's quotes tbh)). But it makes it so that there is only 1 right answer that Syn can give as either alignment.


outed tbh


logic does not parse

Yeah I kinda agree with Syn, though in the context of Syn revoting Rask, I think it might be towny for Taffy. Like if Syn wasn't voting Rask at all there, I would think it was wolfy tbh.


Jan is town and is very cute also

(are you watching, sleep)

What's the significance of Sleep here?

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Anyways I don't feel as strongly that Syn is town anymore.

They have a focus on Sleep that I found questionable

Pop in today wasn't great.

But Syn's POV seemed to be around the same area I was at when I was looking at things this game.

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 03:54
I would not be so quick to lock-town someone who voted out a 1-post slot

Eh maybe but I'm not going there today

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 03:56
Well I have looked far and wide but there isn't a read on Wisdom in your ISO, but what is your Wisdom read? I am curious

Forgot to respond to this. I kind've don't have one. Wisdom felt like they were doing something and I don't have the best track record and I didn't understand Visor's sus on me let alone Wisdom so I just sorta ignored it in favour of the person I thought was sus.

Cape90
10-29-2023, 04:18
Wanted to look back at the slots I feel like I have barely looked at.

So Suibian... even though they did kinda vote on El Barto... anyways


Are you saying me tone reading you is dumb because your scum range is that wide? Like you're going hahahaha I will make you paranoid! It's totally fine just fine. I'm good at reevaluating.

This is either really towny or really wolfy and IDK which XD


I want to believe in Visor and give Monty a day.

I don't want to follow on ender though even though I should probably accept that he has more experience and my early tone read might be dumb and wrong, but I still like it right now.

I will follow onto wisdom. Their posts seem fine but I don't have an actual read there.

Suibian did say this... kinda generic, but also explains why they wouldn't go Monty there


Kind of like the subtle paranoia of Taffy expecting to be pushed but not being pushed. Makes the thinking I accepted a town read I shouldn't and ignored make more sense.

Sleep - I was kinda expecting your vote to end up on Monty based on your posting so your wisdom vote was a surprise. I didn't remember anything they posted, so I read through their iso to see if I should sheep you and they seem fine? How strong is your meta read there?

Another thing that I also read as either really towny or really wolfy.


Same. I was considering voting Monty but his more recent posts have me feeling like maybe I'm confused by him rather than I scum read him. Don't know.


I agree with this too. When Ladd asked me what I liked about the posts and went back I realized that it was mostly emojis and what I liked were a couple sentences that aren't really all that alignment indicative but I had a knee-jerk maybe I'm just confused by him reaction.

I don't really like this given the Monty flip, like they both very much bother me and Sleep looks good IMO bringing attention to this.


Indeed I do! Will you teach me?

And Ender's post that follows this one makes me feel like my earlier thoughts about Monty were on target and not just confusion. hrm

#203 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850744&viewfull=1#post2053850744)
I get pocket-y vibes here...


His 166 and 167 felt a bit more natural? Looking back there's not a huge reason why and scum could definitely feel a bit more natural as they settle in from early awkwardness, but I liked I liked the scary mind meld with a catch response to taffy and your read's posts, and I liked the bit about bracing himself for humiliatingly misreading ender or kage.

So, yeah not enough to go this guy is town, but enough for me to consider that I might just be confused by his earlier approach.

#166 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850706&viewfull=1#post2053850706)

#167 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850707&viewfull=1#post2053850707)

These posts are fine, I could see how one could townread the second thing, less so the first thing. Also all the things Suibian pointed out are from 167 and not 166 at all, just wanted to point that fact out.

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Yeah let's pretend the obvious town part never happened, though I see where I got that read. I kinda gutread their ISO as wolfy though just looking at it and seeing also how post length also kinda took a back seat (this was mentioning that they didn't like posting like that) (but they did anyways which is ~:confused:)

Don't like their Monty treatment really, if there is a busser, I think it's here more so then Visor

Syn
10-29-2023, 04:22
That's all ur pop in?


I don't play the game during the night so yeah


What's the significance of Sleep here?

Sleep said I was pocketing Jan

Cape90
10-29-2023, 04:25
Ladd and Ender because they're posting the way I'm used to them posting when town, and none of the things that usually tell me they're wolf are present

Wisdom for extensive mindmelding in her reactions to Jan's posts

Jan and Syn because they seem to be compulsively pushing on every bit of misyeet bait available

Suib because she completely ignored my slot after I gave her a cheap townread for something nobody should ever townread anyone for

The Visor line

to take a dig at him for what he said about me in his readslist
to show I've read it
to let him know I think it's weaksauce



I think ur town upon just kinda plain looking again but i do pose a question

You said later on in the game that you expected to be pushed by people that didn't know you


It's D1 and I'm playing with a bunch of people who have never played with me before, from experience my expectation is to get pushed.

All of you cannot be experts in reading awkward lowposters. And mostly I'm trying to push Visor for a read but well...


you have also confirmed this is what u meant so I can't really take it any other way

Sooooo if you are misyeet bait and you expect to be pushed for being that by Visor for instance, why are Jan and Syn wolfy for pushing on misyeet bait???

Cape90
10-29-2023, 04:28
I don't play the game during the night so yeah



Sleep said I was pocketing Jan

idk I just thought you might have at least had a comment on EnderWiggin/ladd since I at least found that interesting SOD, I don't come in with the expectation that you have read over night.

Didn't realize u were still around though when I posted and it had been like a half an hour so I had just assumed you were gonna leave for a while until u came back

Syn
10-29-2023, 04:36
idk I just thought you might have at least had a comment on EnderWiggin/ladd since I at least found that interesting SOD, I don't come in with the expectation that you have read over night.

Didn't realize u were still around though when I posted and it had been like a half an hour so I had just assumed you were gonna leave for a while until u came back

always watching babeeeeey

Cape90
10-29-2023, 04:38
Uh this is a post about Wisdom


Sorry to burst your reasonings but this week have been hecking busy, currently playing because I'm guarding an exam at work which is kind of chill, but yeah, I'm busy as a bee atm. It's NAI

I kinda wolfread this, but idk if those reasons are at all good.


Kinda vibing with this. I can't remember montmercy's meta but this makes both ladd look more v and monty look more w.

eh I don't like this post very much


<3 Vote me you coward!


Good thing you're voting me then!

So I saw other people townreading Taffy for this similar thing, but not townreading you for it

Opinions on that Wisdom?


I mean sure, in a vaccuum I get it, it's just that statistically wolves are way more prone to call me town early than town are (when I'm town at least), so I'm being cautious. ^^

And, I mean, you're right, so a point to you if you're town here!

idk how to feel about this


I'd say Rask is the closest I have to a town read because his approach to me is exactly what I expect v!Rask's approach to be. Problem is that he is aware, so it coooould be calculated.

So, no, I don't really have a town read that I strongly believe in.

Ender kinda vibes like I remember v!him to be?

I dunno, I want more heat in general from everyone at the moment.

i see a lot of townreads on Rask and I just remember looking at his posts and having a negative reaction to most of them LOL


I hereby proclaim that both Rask and Syn are town!
Reason: Gut instinct


Gut wolves
Jan
Syn

I hope you can steer me the right way if I'm wrong here friend!

Syn is more jokey than snarky which I tend to find wolfy from him
Jan is only gut, didn't vibe with how easy he called me town, but I haven't actually tried to read him properly in years (I think we've only played mashes) so I have no clue.

So the 1 slot Wisdom has been inconsistent on is Syn so I will keep that in mind.

IDK I have found Syn jokey as town before i think

Cape90
10-29-2023, 04:45
that's because i did! i got the notice i was replacing in, then procrastinated for a few hours, and by that time it was 1 AM but i didn't feel like leaving the thread with nothing before i went to sleep (no pun intended). call it self-conscious if you like, i knew if i just made an intro post and dipped i was probably going to catch shit for it and then i wind up getting into arguments with people and it completely kills my ability to actually get reads.

i feel that honestly :p


what are you seeing with syn that i'm not

tammy hates wolfing and everytime i've seen jan draw wolf in a mash he's phoned it in. obviously vastly different game environments but for someone who has been semi-retired for a long time he seemed eager to get into the thick of it in a way that is way more likely town

i kinda like this post though tbh



im not necessarily asking about worldviews but montys whole game basically has been built around criticizing rask and it feels like ur not actually trying to analyze what hes saying so much as you decided to call him scum on page 1 and then use any reason to justify it, i would expect a townie to try to reduce cognitive dissonance there but it looks like a very vague generic attack rather than anything based on his actual content

this seemed like a v/v thing with Sleep/Syn tbh (with how Syn responded to this point later on tbh) (and those are the townpoints I award Syn), but kinda looks better for Sleep

I don't get the unvote though a whole post later. Vibe thing?

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Sleep im still calling town

Cape90
10-29-2023, 04:55
Vote on Visor no longer valid I guess?


Monty, where is your head at?


Thoughts on Visor anyone?

generically wolfy questioning (more so the 2nd/3rd).


I agree with this read

Yeah, I also felt this when looking at Ender.


Rasko jumping into the fray and basically leaving rvs 1 seconds in should read good but ..

I have trouble agreeing with several takes tbh.


Let's start with this one. Wisdom doesn't really strike me as a player who will start the game as a wolf basically asking for heat.
Which is what the initial post does.

Maybe I am missing some inside joke between the two, but Rasko has not really joked and instead played an early aggression game.


Second take is this:

In reference to this:


And I am scratching my head because Montys post in both worlds is not serious.
Copy/pasta is shitposting and partners with cuth is shitposting because cuth is not in the game.

If this was a toan read or something like that I could accept it, but that reason makes so little sense to me.

This does outline my problems I had with Raskol's postings pretty well honestly.


what would that do for you?
???


ok I will actually provide you with something more (outside my ironclad read on Synchan):

there is a real disconnection between the content of that Monty post and the vote on me. Like if he felt the need to justify making me a wagon (third vote iirc).

Dumb read but that's actually why I posted what I posted. Lettuce see how it unfolds during toDay.

This post also bothered me, but i also recognize it was very early on in the day

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I am actually just more neutral now on Rask though, there just isn't enough there for me to feel strongly on

Cape90
10-29-2023, 04:58
Vote: Raskolnikov

Eh why not, I could see the tryhard accusations coming off of #35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia/page2?p=2053850573#post2053850573) I guess. It was an argument I have seen regarding w!Rask

Kinda expecting wolves this game to just kinda feel defeated for some reason just after day 1 tbh

ladd
10-29-2023, 05:02
"Wolfy interesting" is a specific call out to Pizza's guide. =P

Fair enuf

Totally not Taffy
10-29-2023, 05:42
Changed my mind Taffy is a wolf.
lol
outed tbh

You all really thought I'd end the day still parked on the RVS vote I made in my first post? You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Especially Ender.




ender or wisdom pls

dont kill monty or rask
a four way tie is acceptable

So we're not supposed to kill Monty or Raskolnikov, but a 4-way tie that includes both is fine? Explain yourself and make it good, I find a lot of your EoD/SoD posts incredibly lamist but I'm tired of misyeeting you.



Stay tuned for my second post where I tmi why Monty died.

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 05:48
You all really thought I'd end the day still parked on the RVS vote I made in my first post? You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Especially Ender.

My post there was a joke.

Sleep
10-29-2023, 05:56
sup

sorry for missing out on the deadline when i said i'd be here but uh good job with the vote i guess. always feels a bit lucky whenthe day 1 vote on someone who barely posted turns up mafia but i'll take it

Totally not Taffy
10-29-2023, 06:06
Part two bc multiquote sucks.

I'm JOAT, and I will be deciding the wagons today. Proof:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVSuSsoXABQ

I am awake because I make bad choices.

In my first post I'm saying I wish I was VT (listen to the lyrics) because I'm afraid I'm going to whiff my night actions (which I did, because I docced wrong. Sorry Monty). This is the end of my second post:


This post is a Taffy hardclaim.

And then Monty's very next post is him fpsing:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZcdI1u_9o8

You asked?

Allez, venez, Milord!
Vous asseoir à ma table
Il fait si froid, dehors
Ici c'est confortable
Laissez-vous faire, Milord
Et prenez bien vos aises
Vos peines sur mon cœur
Et vos pieds sur une cuvette laiteuse
Je vous connais, Milord
Vous n'm'avez jamais vue
Je n'suis qu'une louve du fourr(é)
Qu'une ombre de la rue

I thought it was bloody obvious what with his replying to my song with a song, but apparently not.

So one of today's wagons is going to be Syn for trying to create an extra counterwagon to a wolf voting with people he was scumreading for someone he'd previously unvoted. I also hate the dismissive not-quite-responses I'm getting from him.

The others I'm still choosing from (Wisdom Visor Ender). Wisdom because at EoD I actually felt like there was a wolf in danger before Barto became a wagon. But I'm hoping my initial read was correct and that she'll come out today and post herself clear.

Visor because if Wisdom is town he has fantastic wolf equity pushing her and when that not quite works bussing a dud wolfbuddy.

Ender gets another post because I need more quotes.

Sleep
10-29-2023, 06:06
idk i just dont think monty would play that eod as w/w like that

moot point anyway

jan, is tammy a busser? only recall playing turbos really with her and no memory lol

my memory of tammy as mafia was mostly her rolling over and dying but this was over a decade ago now (i will never stop trolling her about this)

don't think she'd be the type to bus but hard to defend a person who barely posted anything. i have played with her more recently than anyone here and think she's just town though



if someone bussed i'm not gonna be able to find them today and every time i try to do something like that it ends up being a throw


vote: ender

sheeping ladd tbh

Sleep
10-29-2023, 06:12
I'm JOAT, and I will be deciding the wagons today. Proof:

is there a reason you felt the need to claim? not doubting it but just, like, why

Sleep
10-29-2023, 06:13
do not have time to digest multiple wallposts tonite, i was told this would be a chill game! back at it tomorrow i guess

Jan
10-29-2023, 06:21
I'm JOAT, and I will be deciding the wagons today.

You can try and watch how I respond to people trying to make a team game a solo act.

Or you can be a normal human being and make a case and get the added benefit that I think you are a villa.

Totally not Taffy
10-29-2023, 06:23
Part 3, for Ender ??

If you look at this exchange:


truthfully i don't really care about that at all

would prefer to leave monty for another day
Well unless you gimme a good reason to go somewhere else I'm not gonna.
He posted a most excellent song, with gripping lyrics and moving delivery.

I think only Rask really got it.

I'm literally telling you that Monty is claiming PR, and you not only persist in voting him but then he dies in the night. I'm sorry but you can't ever endgame after that.


So yeah sorry for being aggressive and dictating everybody's POE but you come into the day and see a whole town wondering at the NK like blind mice stumbling about in the dark I just couldn't sit and watch that trainwreck. At least now everybody knows what was happening yesterday and we can solve properly.

Also those who don't cooperate will be wallposted at. Long, rambling, sleep deprived wallposts with such poor formatting you'll run to the archives and stare wistfully at Monty's old games.

Totally not Taffy
10-29-2023, 06:26
Part 3, for Ender ??

That's supposed to be a heart emoji bc the on-site one is meh.

:heart: so anemic.

Jan
10-29-2023, 06:30
Also those who don't cooperate will be wallposted at. Long, rambling, sleep deprived wallposts with such poor formatting you'll run to the archives and stare wistfully at Monty's old games.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9YRgaVomZ4

Put down that chainsaw and listen to me
It's time for us to join in the fight
It's time to let your babies grow up to be cowboys
It's time to let the bedbugs bite

You better put all your eggs in one basket
You better count your chickens before they hatch
You better sell some wine before it's time
You better find yourself an itch to scratch

You better squeeze all the Charmin you can
While Mr. Wipple's not around
Stick your head in the microwave and get yourself a tan

Talk with your mouth full
Bite the hand that feeds you
Bite off more than you chew
What can you do?
Dare to be stupid

Syn
10-29-2023, 06:31
So one of today's wagons is going to be Syn for trying to create an extra counterwagon to a wolf voting with people he was scumreading for someone he'd previously unvoted. I also hate the dismissive not-quite-responses I'm getting from him.


This would be non-ideal, for secret reasons

as for the rest of your post, it is gobblygook, and the "it was so obvious I was claiming" schtick is silly, but for now I have no reason to doubt the claim

unvote: Taffy

Totally not Taffy
10-29-2023, 06:33
You can try and watch how I respond to people trying to make a team game a solo act.

Or you can be a normal human being and make a case and get the added benefit that I think you are a villa.

You already thought I was villa I've read your readslist. Also this is just a losing play as a wolf.

As for wanting a team game feel free to set the example instead of bristling.

Syn
10-29-2023, 06:36
actually I don't want to deal with taffy and cape wasting precious hours/posts casing me all day, and the EOD time makes a last-second claim to save myself too risky

I am vig and I shot monty (counterwagon, didn't see anything compelling to suggest they were unpaired either, independently scum-read monty). whoever taffy docc'd is confirmed town as well

ladd
10-29-2023, 06:39
The people posting super villagery this game were actually villagers

Who would have thought eheh


I really wanna see more from rask/wisdom cause cape is prob a villager too

Jan
10-29-2023, 06:39
You already thought I was villa I've read your readslist. Also this is just a losing play as a wolf.

As for wanting a team game feel free to set the example instead of bristling.

Don't worry. I will listen to the arguments and vote where I feel my vote needs to be.
I am just telling you to ..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bueFTrwHFEs

ladd
10-29-2023, 06:40
Totally not Taffy

Who d you doc?

Jan
10-29-2023, 06:42
actually I don't want to deal with taffy and cape wasting precious hours/posts casing me all day, and the EOD time makes a last-second claim to save myself too risky

I am vig and I shot monty (counterwagon, didn't see anything compelling to suggest they were unpaired either, independently scum-read monty). whoever taffy docc'd is confirmed town as well

This is a somewhat self-resolving claim.

I am not sure if the village would have a joat and a vig (and maybe more) but that is not a problem to resolve today.

Syn
10-29-2023, 06:52
This is a somewhat self-resolving claim.

I am not sure if the village would have a joat and a vig (and maybe more) but that is not a problem to resolve today.

it was a one-shot so feel free to string me up tomorrow or something

Totally not Taffy
10-29-2023, 06:54
actually I don't want to deal with taffy and cape wasting precious hours/posts casing me all day, and the EOD time makes a last-second claim to save myself too risky

I am vig and I shot monty (counterwagon, didn't see anything compelling to suggest they were unpaired either, independently scum-read monty). whoever taffy docc'd is confirmed town as well

ok I can't make up my mind if you're trying to cover or a wolf fishing for my doc target (and for all you know Monty was double tapped if you're legit) I need sleep talk to you tomorrow

ladd
10-29-2023, 06:55
nah syn is never a wolf lol

Jan
10-29-2023, 06:56
it was a one-shot so feel free to string me up tomorrow or something

Yeah, but you would say that because it is a multishot and you want to survive the night!

Jan
10-29-2023, 06:57
I'm literally telling you that Monty is claiming PR, and you not only persist in voting him but then he dies in the night. I'm sorry but you can't ever endgame after that.


So yeah sorry for being aggressive and dictating everybody's POE but you come into the day and see a whole town wondering at the NK like blind mice stumbling about in the dark I just couldn't sit and watch that trainwreck. At least now everybody knows what was happening yesterday and we can solve properly.


actually I don't want to deal with taffy and cape wasting precious hours/posts casing me all day, and the EOD time makes a last-second claim to save myself too risky

I am vig and I shot monty (counterwagon, didn't see anything compelling to suggest they were unpaired either, independently scum-read monty). whoever taffy docc'd is confirmed town as well

There is something really funny about this.

"The blind leading the blind" is an idiom and a metaphor in the form of a parallel phrase; it is used to describe a situation where a person ignorant of a given subject is getting advice and help from another person who is just as ignorant of the subject.

Anyways I just hope syn is a villa because this is just precious tbh.

Jan
10-29-2023, 07:00
nah syn is never a wolf lol

why not? the claim is bad enough and it might buy a day or two. (and if wolves have some sort of pr that could be a difference maker)

It is not a wolf claim if the other wolf is someone like ender who already gets a lot of heat at this moment.

ladd
10-29-2023, 07:04
taffy prob docced me or visor. i hope its visor so i dont have to tinfoil him

:curtain:



and whoever said a vote on a 1 poster wolf is not worth that much - ya in general i agree but:

- jan is a pretty obvious villager by posting

- suibian has been called villager strongly by both people with meta on them, has been posting good and had arguably the most important vote on barto

- visor has seemed his villa self not settling for the easy pushes of the game by going after bigger targets, it helps that its hard for me to see a world where ender/wisdom does not have at least 1 wolf. so like he could be with exactly rask i guess? he would be my top guess for a busser cause he is a slimy soab and would absolutely buss there but i am def not even looking in his direction today


why not? the claim is bad enough and it might buy a day or two. (and if wolves have some sort of pr that could be a difference maker)

It is not a wolf claim if the other wolf is someone like ender who already gets a lot of heat at this moment.

1) syn was uber villagery even before the claim

2) monty being the vig shot and taffy getting the doc in makes a lot more sense than wolves shooting monty

Syn
10-29-2023, 07:04
how is the claim bad

ladd
10-29-2023, 07:06
this is a classic situation where occam's razor is right iyam

taffy docced the nk

the vig shot the counterwagon


and everything makes sense

Jan
10-29-2023, 07:07
how is the claim bad

it is bad because there is no way to confirm that it is legit.

with 2 kp shown it is easier to believe the claim.

Jan
10-29-2023, 07:11
this is a classic situation where occam's razor is right iyam

taffy docced the nk

the vig shot the counterwagon


and everything makes sense

It is totally possible. I am worried that you and syn would be exactly the team of two that would run this narrative.

Just based on your behavior today. You can easily be a villa and correct in your read.

Not a huge priority to resolve right now.

ladd
10-29-2023, 07:15
It is totally possible. I am worried that you and syn would be exactly the team of two that would run this narrative.

Just based on your behavior today. You can easily be a villa and correct in your read.

Not a huge priority to resolve right now.

alrighty, fair enuf

syn is just a villager and i think we can all at least agree that it makes no sense to even discuss lunching them today



so assuming that me/you/syn/taffy/tammy are all villas, who are the wolves IYO? thoughts on cape's posting?

Syn
10-29-2023, 07:15
ok I can't make up my mind if you're trying to cover or a wolf fishing for my doc target (and for all you know Monty was double tapped if you're legit) I need sleep talk to you tomorrow

I really don't think your "Monty is claiming PR" is as obvious and believable as you think it is. neither your "I was claiming" and "Monty was claiming" look to be anything remotely comprehensible to me

you might have seen him as claiming, but that seems to be a uniquely taffy affair

so with that in mind, it feels vastly more likely you docc'd the NK target

me "fishing" for the doc target is meaningless

you already claimed JOAT

you're dead anyway. you can't keep your doc target hidden until a later day

Syn
10-29-2023, 07:17
it is bad because there is no way to confirm that it is legit.

with 2 kp shown it is easier to believe the claim.

I wasn't really planning on revealing it until a later day, but things change when a PR comes out and vows a death tunnel

Jan
10-29-2023, 07:21
alrighty, fair enuf

syn is just a villager and i think we can all at least agree that it makes no sense to even discuss lunching them today



so assuming that me/you/syn/taffy/tammy are all villas, who are the wolves IYO? thoughts on cape's posting?

Cape is ~fine. I haven't looked that closely yet tbh. The energy levels are good. Doesn't feel like a defeatist wolf, which is a good start.

I should revisit my Wisdom villa read considering everyone else is thinking about that slot and my read is very vague and mostly "I expect Wisdom to behave differently as wolf".

But I don't think that my reads list from earlier is totally different post-claim.

Syn
10-29-2023, 07:27
fwiw I don't think wisdom is a wolf

Syn
10-29-2023, 07:31
wisdom is a wolf imo if the team is exactly barto/wisdom/cape. don't think they would be this low energy otherwise. I could see it if both of their teammates were no-shows

villager who isn't super invested feels more of a fit

ladd
10-29-2023, 07:35
wisdom is a wolf imo if the team is exactly barto/wisdom/cape. don't think they would be this low energy otherwise. I could see it if both of their teammates were no-shows

villager who isn't super invested feels more of a fit

They said they are busy regardless of alignment

Idk i wouldnt put too much stock on their activity being ai

Cape90
10-29-2023, 07:43
Part two bc multiquote sucks.

I'm JOAT, and I will be deciding the wagons today. Proof:




In my first post I'm saying I wish I was VT (listen to the lyrics) because I'm afraid I'm going to whiff my night actions (which I did, because I docced wrong. Sorry Monty). This is the end of my second post:



And then Monty's very next post is him fpsing:



I thought it was bloody obvious what with his replying to my song with a song, but apparently not.

So one of today's wagons is going to be Syn for trying to create an extra counterwagon to a wolf voting with people he was scumreading for someone he'd previously unvoted. I also hate the dismissive not-quite-responses I'm getting from him.

The others I'm still choosing from (Wisdom Visor Ender). Wisdom because at EoD I actually felt like there was a wolf in danger before Barto became a wagon. But I'm hoping my initial read was correct and that she'll come out today and post herself clear.

Visor because if Wisdom is town he has fantastic wolf equity pushing her and when that not quite works bussing a dud wolfbuddy.

Ender gets another post because I need more quotes.

damn using cornflake girl as a way to PR soft is actually insanely based

Cape90
10-29-2023, 07:45
do not have time to digest multiple wallposts tonite, i was told this would be a chill game! back at it tomorrow i guess

Yeah sorry, I mean, I mostly did that just to fully catch up with everyone just because I felt like i hadn't

ladd
10-29-2023, 07:46
Visor how strongly do you feel about ender being a villager?

Cape90
10-29-2023, 07:47
Part 3, for Ender ??

If you look at this exchange:




I'm literally telling you that Monty is claiming PR, and you not only persist in voting him but then he dies in the night. I'm sorry but you can't ever endgame after that.


So yeah sorry for being aggressive and dictating everybody's POE but you come into the day and see a whole town wondering at the NK like blind mice stumbling about in the dark I just couldn't sit and watch that trainwreck. At least now everybody knows what was happening yesterday and we can solve properly.

Also those who don't cooperate will be wallposted at. Long, rambling, sleep deprived wallposts with such poor formatting you'll run to the archives and stare wistfully at Monty's old games.

But Mont wasn't a PR

If you aren't mafia, someone else might have picked up on this

Cape90
10-29-2023, 07:50
wisdom is a wolf imo if the team is exactly barto/wisdom/cape. don't think they would be this low energy otherwise. I could see it if both of their teammates were no-shows

villager who isn't super invested feels more of a fit

I didn't really get that impression and they also said their activity is NAI since they had exams

Visor
10-29-2023, 08:17
Visor how strongly do you feel about ender being a villager?

i am feeling reasonably confident, enough to not go there today at least

Visor
10-29-2023, 08:21
Visor

Totally not Taffy - claimed pr
Syn - claimed pr

EnderWiggin - doesn't make sense to turbo team as a wolf

Jan - possibility of bussing inactive partner, but otherwise decent
Suibian - i can see a wolf with jan world where tehy bus inactive partner and ride cred, but otherwise, did not need to make the vote at eod to put barto in danger

ladd - voted barto, but also possibly likeliest busser? idk
Cape90 - haven't minded his posting so far tbh

Raskolnikov
Sleep
Wisdom

is what i am left with, basically.

Gemma
10-29-2023, 08:32
Votal 2.1

Ender (2) - ladd (#311 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850864&viewfull=1#post2053850864)), Sleep (#358 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850911&viewfull=1#post2053850911))
Rask (1) - Cape (#352 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850905&viewfull=1#post2053850905))

https://media.tenor.com/dgQTk4ZIWioAAAAM/matty-matheson-just-a-dash.gif

Jan
10-29-2023, 08:40
EnderWiggin - doesn't make sense to turbo team as a wolf


I am not sure if we speak the same language. The individual words sound familiar, but they just don't fit together like that in my head.

Jan
10-29-2023, 08:49
I am not sure if we speak the same language. The individual words sound familiar, but they just don't fit together like that in my head.

or rather what does


to turbo team

mean? great alliteration, but I don't get it.

Visor
10-29-2023, 09:20
or rather what does



mean? great alliteration, but I don't get it.

basically ender committing to saving barto at eod doesn't make a lot of sense

for one, if it fails it just kills him the next day (and people were village reading him)

or at least makes it hard for him to survive the day (and if he succeeds, low odds of barto livign the game and if he dies, ender always dies)

basically his end goal if voting to save barto is to give him one more day - but it also relies upon barto being able to talk his way out of dying

just feel like the safe option is to bus your partner there and think ender would know that

comes across as a move devoid of ulterior motives, basically

ladd
10-29-2023, 09:25
basically ender committing to saving barto at eod doesn't make a lot of sense

for one, if it fails it just kills him the next day (and people were village reading him)

or at least makes it hard for him to survive the day (and if he succeeds, low odds of barto livign the game and if he dies, ender always dies)

basically his end goal if voting to save barto is to give him one more day - but it also relies upon barto being able to talk his way out of dying

just feel like the safe option is to bus your partner there and think ender would know that

comes across as a move devoid of ulterior motives, basically

Ender was already super commited to wolfreading monty tho

Options are monty/barto, how does hebjustify voting barto?

Seems to me like he d vote monty regardless

Jan
10-29-2023, 09:25
basically ender committing to saving barto at eod doesn't make a lot of sense

for one, if it fails it just kills him the next day (and people were village reading him)

or at least makes it hard for him to survive the day (and if he succeeds, low odds of barto livign the game and if he dies, ender always dies)

basically his end goal if voting to save barto is to give him one more day - but it also relies upon barto being able to talk his way out of dying

just feel like the safe option is to bus your partner there and think ender would know that

comes across as a move devoid of ulterior motives, basically

ah okay sorry.

Makes sense for the most part. Have to check how much he did and if the voting was as clear at the time.
Felt very chaotic to me.

Wisdom
10-29-2023, 09:28
I struggle to believe Visor actually believes in his read on me, but I guess that partly stems from expecting him tonbe able to read me (iirc he found me as wolf for the right reasons once) and the fact that his wolf read on me pretty much spawned from me provoking him. Oh well, maybe he's a peasant and not a king ;3

Good job on the yeet, sorry about being wrong.

Too bad Taffy claimed, that was my only tr ^^'

I don't really have any other reads or a plan, so hopefully I'll get there today!

I wish I could see what Ladd sees wrt Syn ^^

Visor
10-29-2023, 09:29
Ender was already super commited to wolfreading monty tho

Options are monty/barto, how does hebjustify voting barto?

Seems to me like he d vote monty regardless

yeah but then he left it up to the last minute to make it look as bad as possible

like if he is planning to vote monty anyway, he votes and keeps the vote on monty earlier

he looks terrible now because right at the last second he 'voted to save a wolf', but if he voted earlier and kept it there, we wouldn't be having this conversation (i.e. because he wasn't thinking ahead of time in terms of wagon construction, he showed up, yoloed around and madethe worst possible vote, as a wolf he at least votes monty earlier so it doesnt stick out like a sore thumb when he does it imo)

Visor
10-29-2023, 09:31
I struggle to believe Visor actually believes in his read on me, but I guess that partly stems from expecting him tonbe able to read me (iirc he found me as wolf for the right reasons once) and the fact that his wolf read on me pretty much spawned from me provoking him. Oh well, maybe he's a peasant and not a king ;3

Good job on the yeet, sorry about being wrong.

Too bad Taffy claimed, that was my only tr ^^'

I don't really have any other reads or a plan, so hopefully I'll get there today!

I wish I could see what Ladd sees wrt Syn ^^

part of my read on you simply just a process of elimination

and my wolf read on you didn't really come from that, but i don't really think it matters, its not like i am going to get lunched at any point in this game anymore (unless people get particularly feisty)

it would certainly be helpful to get your perspective today, given there isnt a whole lot going for you right now

Visor
10-29-2023, 09:32
where are you at now, fwiw ladd?

Raskolnikov
10-29-2023, 10:03
Sup guys.

Ngl wanted to turbo Ender but I guess we will think about it (eod1 looks like an uncontrolled fiasco for woofs but I might have that wrong need to reread.)
Congrats taffy unvoting me. Both elite villa move and hilarious :thumbsup:

I exist and have thoughts.

One wolf in Visor/Ender.
Need to look back at Ladd and Wisdom tbh. Though not sure why. Prolly not a pairing but two slots Ive been uncomfy on reread.

Taffy looked different but I think I saw a claim, very good.

Gonna drive today. Will articulate these reads l8r if they are stickers.

Raskolnikov
10-29-2023, 10:36
don't really think ender is a wolf anymore, thought about it overnight and realised theres no way he makes that move as a wolf when he is basically just turbo punting his team if it backfires

interested to see capes takes

still kinda wanna kill wisdom i think

Ender is definatly not someone who values fancy play that can backfire...

Wisdom
10-29-2023, 11:49
part of my read on you simply just a process of elimination

and my wolf read on you didn't really come from that, but i don't really think it matters, its not like i am going to get lunched at any point in this game anymore (unless people get particularly feisty)

it would certainly be helpful to get your perspective today, given there isnt a whole lot going for you right now

I have a lot of time to play in 24 hours, so will try to at least have a read on everyone by then!

Sleep
10-29-2023, 17:44
not feeling up to this today, might be back later

Raskolnikov
10-29-2023, 18:12
I tryed to order things after some of driving...

Syn
Taffy

No reason to doubt the claims aorn. Think it's great play to claim now and having Taffy's target before EOD would be golden.

Ladd Think I like their posting for the most part. Pushed for Monty D1 but ended up on El Barto who were not in contention till late while wagons were tt (me/Monty). Don't feel like a wolf motivated move to me. Same reaction than me to Ender's EOD.
Visor Kind of liked his energy on some posts at EOD, trying to shake things while 2 MLs were lined up already. Just feel like a villager.


Rest is null or lower but not sure I can articulate why I ordered like that lol.

Sleep
Tammy
Cape
Jan
Wisdom had an early villa read on them because of the way they TRed both Syn and I while he was trying to suss me. Reminded me some of their villa play. Though that's about it iirc.

Ender Just cased Monty but was voting Wisdom at EOD before Visor put El Barto in the lead one minute before deadline. Swiitched to Monty to save El Barto presumably (didnt seem a good move before that) :shrug:
in a wolf!Ender world, Wisdom is a villager

Just think the wolfes were taken by surprise at EOD and didn't see an El Barto yeet coming. Hence I would not pursue El barto voters today (Jan, Ladd, Subian, Visor), nor THe claimed PRs (Taffy, Syn).

I wanna look more at Ender/Wisdom, and Sleep I guess. (Cape no reason to look into and wanna let him time to contribute I guess)

Raskolnikov
10-29-2023, 18:12
Vote: Ender

:curtain:

Syn
10-29-2023, 18:58
part of my read on you simply just a process of elimination

and my wolf read on you didn't really come from that, but i don't really think it matters, its not like i am going to get lunched at any point in this game anymore (unless people get particularly feisty)

it would certainly be helpful to get your perspective today, given there isnt a whole lot going for you right now

i really hate the bolded part here lol

Syn
10-29-2023, 18:59
I wish I could see what Ladd sees wrt Syn ^^

look within yourself and recognize the deep love you hold for me, and the light will show the way

Syn
10-29-2023, 19:00
I tryed to order things after some of driving...

Syn
Taffy

No reason to doubt the claims aorn. Think it's great play to claim now and having Taffy's target before EOD would be golden.

Ladd Think I like their posting for the most part. Pushed for Monty D1 but ended up on El Barto who were not in contention till late while wagons were tt (me/Monty). Don't feel like a wolf motivated move to me. Same reaction than me to Ender's EOD.
Visor Kind of liked his energy on some posts at EOD, trying to shake things while 2 MLs were lined up already. Just feel like a villager.


Rest is null or lower but not sure I can articulate why I ordered like that lol.

Sleep
Tammy
Cape
Jan
Wisdom had an early villa read on them because of the way they TRed both Syn and I while he was trying to suss me. Reminded me some of their villa play. Though that's about it iirc.

Ender Just cased Monty but was voting Wisdom at EOD before Visor put El Barto in the lead one minute before deadline. Swiitched to Monty to save El Barto presumably (didnt seem a good move before that) :shrug:
in a wolf!Ender world, Wisdom is a villager

Just think the wolfes were taken by surprise at EOD and didn't see an El Barto yeet coming. Hence I would not pursue El barto voters today (Jan, Ladd, Subian, Visor), nor THe claimed PRs (Taffy, Syn).

I wanna look more at Ender/Wisdom, and Sleep I guess. (Cape no reason to look into and wanna let him time to contribute I guess)

this post makes me consider a rask/ladd world tbh

Raskolnikov
10-29-2023, 19:01
this post makes me consider a rask/ladd world tbh

vv this world exists fwiw

Raskolnikov
10-29-2023, 19:02
i really hate the bolded part here lol

yeah we should just yeet Visor in retaliation.

Syn
10-29-2023, 19:57
vote: Sleep

we need more information

ladd
10-29-2023, 20:22
Sap won my match so gonna get drunk

See you on monday

Jan
10-29-2023, 20:25
Sap won my match so gonna get drunk

See you on monday

Getting drunk after a victory is just so much better than getting drunk after a loss.

Visor
10-29-2023, 22:58
this post makes me consider a rask/ladd world tbh

i can believe this

kinda want to go rask today maybe

Visor
10-29-2023, 22:58
Vote: Raskol

anythign from sleep or wisdom would be gr8 thx

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 23:20
I thought it was bloody obvious what with his replying to my song with a song, but apparently not.


I'm literally telling you that Monty is claiming PR, and you not only persist in voting him but then he dies in the night. I'm sorry but you can't ever endgame after that.

I mean. I didn't notice it. I see so many "Song response to song" interactions that tbh I just never thought to check for a PR claim in there.

And your response to me didn't come off as "This person is claiming pr stop."

So shrug. If that's what you want to yeet me off go ahead, but I feel like this is the same thing I ranted at people pushing AV over a while back. No matter how a player is perceived they can't be held at gunpoint for "Not noticing something they should have".

If I were playing a more attentive game (which I'm not rn tbh) I don't even know if I would've noticed it.

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 23:22
That's supposed to be a heart emoji bc the on-site one is meh.

:heart: so anemic.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/YQBhLuHW26TIH8vThmu9fQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTUzOTtjZj13ZWJw/https://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/news.mashable/d7fee25102fdb0d4734cd87e766cc33b

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 23:23
actually I don't want to deal with taffy and cape wasting precious hours/posts casing me all day, and the EOD time makes a last-second claim to save myself too risky

I am vig and I shot monty (counterwagon, didn't see anything compelling to suggest they were unpaired either, independently scum-read monty). whoever taffy docc'd is confirmed town as well

I hate this claim.

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 23:24
The people posting super villagery this game were actually villagers

Who would have thought eheh


I really wanna see more from rask/wisdom cause cape is prob a villager too

I think this is probably the first Ladd post I've seen and immediately just agreed with without reservations.

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 23:24
it was a one-shot so feel free to string me up tomorrow or something

Somehow I hate this claim even more now.

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 23:31
Ender was already super commited to wolfreading monty tho

Options are monty/barto, how does hebjustify voting barto?

Seems to me like he d vote monty regardless

Tbh memeing around tying the vote and not going back to Monty to exert pressure towards that direction is the non-wolf tell. But yeah even if I was wolf yesterday I was voting Monty.

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 23:32
I struggle to believe Visor actually believes in his read on me, but I guess that partly stems from expecting him tonbe able to read me (iirc he found me as wolf for the right reasons once) and the fact that his wolf read on me pretty much spawned from me provoking him. Oh well, maybe he's a peasant and not a king ;3

Good job on the yeet, sorry about being wrong.

Too bad Taffy claimed, that was my only tr ^^'

I don't really have any other reads or a plan, so hopefully I'll get there today!

I wish I could see what Ladd sees wrt Syn ^^

I cannot help but read this badly tbh. "I have one read and it's the PR" is awfully convenient.

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 23:33
Ender is definatly not someone who values fancy play that can backfire...

I have never once in my life done a fancy play that backfired on me.

Never.

*Shuffles game archive under rug.*

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 23:36
Ender Just cased Monty but was voting Wisdom at EOD before Visor put El Barto in the lead one minute before deadline. Swiitched to Monty to save El Barto presumably (didnt seem a good move before that) :shrug:
in a wolf!Ender world, Wisdom is a villager

....

What.

I was voting Wisdom as a joke.

I thought that was obvious. My whole "Top ten anime betrayals" joke was because I thought it was literally so obvious that I was gonna swap back last minute. (I originally voted because of a Visor post and I was feeling funny, and stayed on it because it was a tied vote and I like tied votes because people flinching at tied votes can be useful down the line once we have a few flips.)

Vote: Rask

Given how much you've seen me meme around and in fact called me out on it once when you said everyone knew I was going to go back to voting my prime sus at very eod, I really feel like this read is opportunistic given the sus on me.

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 23:37
this post makes me consider a rask/ladd world tbh

Welcome to my brain =P

EnderWiggin
10-29-2023, 23:38
And now I'm caught up that's my wolfy pop-in.

See you next time.

Syn
10-30-2023, 00:05
I hate this claim.

really not understanding the beef you and Jan have with this

Gemma
10-30-2023, 00:41
Votal 2.2

Ender (3) - ladd (#311 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850864&viewfull=1#post2053850864)), Sleep (#358 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850911&viewfull=1#post2053850911)), Rask (#412 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850969&viewfull=1#post2053850969))
Rask (3) - Cape (#352 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850905&viewfull=1#post2053850905)), Visor (#422 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850980&viewfull=1#post2053850980)), Ender (#431 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850989&viewfull=1#post2053850989))
Sleep (1) - Syn (#418 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850975&viewfull=1#post2053850975))

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eod2

ladd
10-30-2023, 00:58
where are you at now, fwiw ladd?

Wanna see more from a bunch of people tbh

Hope for something more tomorrow

Ngl your read on ender really confuses me, it feels really counterintuitive to the monty flip but i am too drunk rn to try to figure out what it means



Also yall are wild, i feel like if i dont get nked its impossible for me to get cleared in games even if i am an obvious villager (just...in general, not only this game)

See ya tomorrow

Suibian
10-30-2023, 01:04
I don't really feel that great and would rather be sleeping right now, so bear with me.


monty was fairly spewed from wagonomics (and i dont say this often lol)

still weird kill tho

I fell asleep mid-skim last night when I got home, but my knee-jerk reaction to this post was that Ladd was defending the night kill in a way that I thought he made the kill, but if Syn is telling the truth about being the vig who shot Monty then this thought was probably dumb, and in that case this post feels towny. (I know there could be double dipping and all, but that being the nightkill is just too odd that I don't want to believe it.)

I wish neither of the people who claimed had claimed though. I do believe Taffy's claim; I remember wondering what that Taffy hard claim post was about and wondered if there was a pr claim nestled in there or something but also wondered if that's how they emphasize that their posts are serious or something. Anyway, the tonal shift today feels real enough. Don't know why they think that the claim means they get to decide the wagons, but that makes me believe the claim even more. They should out who they healed by the end of the day though; it's true they're not confirmed town because of possible double-dipping but that information would be nice.

I like the way Syn claimed. Mostly that it was a super early claim that felt a bit town jumpy before seeing if any of the suspicion on them took off. Might want to believe this claim though because Monty makes more sense as a vig shot than a night kill.





jan, is tammy a busser? only recall playing turbos really with her and no memory lol

I haven't drawn scum since 2017, so what scum me is going to look like is anyone's guess, but I was never a huge busser. I prefer keeping the team together as long as I can, especially considering the fact that I consider myself the weak link in any scum team. I do bus sometimes, but I'm pretty sure I'd have gone Monty yesterday if I were scum. Yeah I know self-meta, and I can really only guess now.



But I am also the person she would be pocketing right now.

If I could get up the nerve to post, this is probably true.

You still have wisdom decently town, right? Can you expand on that read?



Yes. That was before he sniped the wolf at eod chaos.

It went from "Sus visor" to reading at night and nodding and then "Ah, town visor."

Is he not known for bussing?

~~~

What's a shroop read?



Wanted to look back at the slots I feel like I have barely looked at.

So Suibian... even though they did kinda vote on El Barto... anyways

I don't really like this given the Monty flip, like they both very much bother me and Sleep looks good IMO bringing attention to this.

#203 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850744&viewfull=1#post2053850744)
I get pocket-y vibes here...

Yeah let's pretend the obvious town part never happened, though I see where I got that read. I kinda gutread their ISO as wolfy though just looking at it and seeing also how post length also kinda took a back seat (this was mentioning that they didn't like posting like that) (but they did anyways which is ~:confused:)

Don't like their Monty treatment really, if there is a busser, I think it's here more so then Visor

As someone who overuses kinda myself, I feel like you wronged me a bit by saying I kinda voted. ^-^

What didn't you like about my Monty treatment? (The point about sleep bringing attention to something looking good feels a bit weird as I'm pretty sure we were just interacting about a read. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point.)

How was my response to Jan saying I need to be more competent pockety? (For the record, I think I have other posts that would be considered more pockety to Jan than that one, so I don't mind the pockety or even buddying accusation, I'm more interested in why that particular one caught your eye.)

I hate quote striping, not making long posts and my post length is going to vary in general. I quote striped then (and now) even though I hate it for two reasons. One is that we have a post cap of 50 posts per day, and I was saving as many posts as possible for eod as I didn't know how busy it was going to be. Two is that I'm trying not to be too obnoxious by making a bunch of posts in a row. I don't know what posting etiquette is at this site, and I've gotten warnings on other sites for posting too many times in a row, so I'm trying to contain catch-up posts.


Fair enuf

Not the fair enough scum tell!

EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 01:58
Is he not known for bussing?

~~~

What's a shroop read?

He is, but also he could've stayed on Wisdom and no one would've batted an eye. Visor is not an over-active busser.

Shroop Read = Read where it looks like someone typed it up then edited it but left a part of the old piece in. It's supposed to catch wolves over-editing their posts to try and get the right tone.

EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 02:01
really not understanding the beef you and Jan have with this

It's a PR claim that can't be verified, and provides an out for at least 2 night phases to not die.

Suibian
10-30-2023, 02:27
my memory of tammy as mafia was mostly her rolling over and dying but this was over a decade ago now (i will never stop trolling her about this)

don't think she'd be the type to bus but hard to defend a person who barely posted anything. i have played with her more recently than anyone here and think she's just town though


I did eventually get better :sweatdrop: (but I'll never not be embarrassed about how terrible I was and I'm terrified that will be me again.)


You can try and watch how I respond to people trying to make a team game a solo act.

Or you can be a normal human being and make a case and get the added benefit that I think you are a villa.

This is a mood and makes me feel better about my read on you.

~~~

I'm confused about Taffy's ender post in 362. I want to ask a question, but I'm zoning out and having a hard time finding the words, so kind a reminder for myself that I have a question here maybe.

I like Jan's interactions and responses regarding the claims.


wisdom is a wolf imo if the team is exactly barto/wisdom/cape. don't think they would be this low energy otherwise. I could see it if both of their teammates were no-shows

villager who isn't super invested feels more of a fit

Is wisdom someone whose energy as scum is dependent upon the team? Meaning they're more likely to be active and look town if they like their partners and otherwise would be deflated and listless?


Ender was already super commited to wolfreading monty tho

Options are monty/barto, how does hebjustify voting barto?

Seems to me like he d vote monty regardless

I agree with this take. Think there'd be more heat about a bus vote based on what was posted leading up to eod. Dammit I had another thought related to this but it left my head. Maybe I'll remember later.

Not that I'm saying ender is scum. It's a read that I do need to reevaluate because it was a tone read, and I need to make it a bit more substantial, but I kinda liked him saying that his scum range is yes and that he likes to make people paranoid. I guess if his scum range is yes, I shouldn't like it because would he really as scum be waving that in the face of someone who thinks he's town? But he said his scum range is yes so yes? Boh :shrug: I still like the read though


yeah but then he left it up to the last minute to make it look as bad as possible

like if he is planning to vote monty anyway, he votes and keeps the vote on monty earlier

he looks terrible now because right at the last second he 'voted to save a wolf', but if he voted earlier and kept it there, we wouldn't be having this conversation (i.e. because he wasn't thinking ahead of time in terms of wagon construction, he showed up, yoloed around and madethe worst possible vote, as a wolf he at least votes monty earlier so it doesnt stick out like a sore thumb when he does it imo)

Oh but I like this explanation. I need to go back to eod.

~~~

I still like the people I liked yesterday, but I need to reevaluate to make sure. I need sleep. Mondays are super long/busy days for me. I'll try to check in throughout the day, but I make no promises that I can be here earlier than about 2-3 hours before deadline.

Wisdom still feels fine? This isn't something I feel confident on as it's really often that the person I read as "they're fine?" tend to escape my notice until day three when I realize they're scum. lol. But I did like their most recent post when they say Visor might be a peasant and not a king. That might be an inside joke, but I dunno felt kinda townie.

I need to reread through Rask and I have a super weakness to people proclaiming they're town and not getting yeeted, and I should actually go back and make a read there.

I haven't seen anything concerning about sleep, but I also don't have a strong read there either. I want him to be town, and I do like his interactions with me, but sometimes I think I'm a little too cautious with my read on him and maybe I'm being that way right now so bleh.

I don't have any strong scum reads which means I'm probably writing off someone as fine who I shouldn't. Anyway I'm tired, I'll try to fix this tomorrow.

Suibian
10-30-2023, 02:28
Shroop Read = Read where it looks like someone typed it up then edited it but left a part of the old piece in. It's supposed to catch wolves over-editing their posts to try and get the right tone.

Thanks! This sounds as reliable as the "scum don't use contractions to try to make their reads sound more serious and believable" tell :P

Visor
10-30-2023, 03:32
The claims don't bother me, they are what they are, makes enough sense to me

Tammy, read on Jan/ladd/raskol?

Syn
10-30-2023, 05:20
It's a PR claim that can't be verified, and provides an out for at least 2 night phases to not die.

all this post means is that I am guaranteed to die, because a claimed PR cannot survive to LYLO. and if I am alive at LYLO, I get turbo hammered. pretty ez and not worth worrying about

Syn
10-30-2023, 05:23
Is wisdom someone whose energy as scum is dependent upon the team? Meaning they're more likely to be active and look town if they like their partners and otherwise would be deflated and listless?


I think most people possess energy that is largely dependent on the team. I could answer more specifically about Wisdom, but it feels vaguely angleshoot-y and isn't a read you could or should believe me on anyway since it's based purely on personality/meta

Cape90
10-30-2023, 06:02
wisdom is a wolf imo if the team is exactly barto/wisdom/cape. don't think they would be this low energy otherwise. I could see it if both of their teammates were no-shows

villager who isn't super invested feels more of a fit

i have a question about this looking back at it

by extension, using this logic, do you think I am unlikely to be mafia? Or does this only apply to Wisdom?

Cape90
10-30-2023, 06:03
Visor

Totally not Taffy - claimed pr
Syn - claimed pr

EnderWiggin - doesn't make sense to turbo team as a wolf

Jan - possibility of bussing inactive partner, but otherwise decent
Suibian - i can see a wolf with jan world where tehy bus inactive partner and ride cred, but otherwise, did not need to make the vote at eod to put barto in danger

ladd - voted barto, but also possibly likeliest busser? idk
Cape90 - haven't minded his posting so far tbh

Raskolnikov
Sleep
Wisdom

is what i am left with, basically.

honestly could see Sleep after what they have posted today, but I have liked their postings otherwise

Cape90
10-30-2023, 06:06
basically ender committing to saving barto at eod doesn't make a lot of sense

for one, if it fails it just kills him the next day (and people were village reading him)

or at least makes it hard for him to survive the day (and if he succeeds, low odds of barto livign the game and if he dies, ender always dies)

basically his end goal if voting to save barto is to give him one more day - but it also relies upon barto being able to talk his way out of dying

just feel like the safe option is to bus your partner there and think ender would know that

comes across as a move devoid of ulterior motives, basically

I disagree with this line of logic actually. I feel like Ender was townread enough day 1 to where as wolf, I have a feeling that he could end up in a position to where he feels comfy enough to save his mafia partner

like i could see that even though I am currently thinking that he's just town

Cape90
10-30-2023, 06:10
yeah but then he left it up to the last minute to make it look as bad as possible

like if he is planning to vote monty anyway, he votes and keeps the vote on monty earlier

he looks terrible now because right at the last second he 'voted to save a wolf', but if he voted earlier and kept it there, we wouldn't be having this conversation (i.e. because he wasn't thinking ahead of time in terms of wagon construction, he showed up, yoloed around and madethe worst possible vote, as a wolf he at least votes monty earlier so it doesnt stick out like a sore thumb when he does it imo)

yeah but like, el barto could have lived

you believing this has to rely on "does w!Ender find it worth it to try to save his mafia member and hope they step up their game day 2?" and that answer being "never"

Cape90
10-30-2023, 06:13
part of my read on you simply just a process of elimination

and my wolf read on you didn't really come from that, but i don't really think it matters, its not like i am going to get lunched at any point in this game anymore (unless people get particularly feisty)

it would certainly be helpful to get your perspective today, given there isnt a whole lot going for you right now

Wisdom was saying yesterday this


I mean sure, in a vaccuum I get it, it's just that statistically wolves are way more prone to call me town early than town are (when I'm town at least), so I'm being cautious. ^^

And, I mean, you're right, so a point to you if you're town here!

And given how their posts haven't super improved since then, this feels like a weird call out if Wisdom is town

Cape90
10-30-2023, 06:20
Sup guys.

Ngl wanted to turbo Ender but I guess we will think about it (eod1 looks like an uncontrolled fiasco for woofs but I might have that wrong need to reread.)
Congrats taffy unvoting me. Both elite villa move and hilarious :thumbsup:

I exist and have thoughts.

One wolf in Visor/Ender.
Need to look back at Ladd and Wisdom tbh. Though not sure why. Prolly not a pairing but two slots Ive been uncomfy on reread.

Taffy looked different but I think I saw a claim, very good.

Gonna drive today. Will articulate these reads l8r if they are stickers.

I specifically am thrown off by this comment in this post

IDK, it really sounds like ur wolf here with that "very good"

Sorry for your not "very good" rand :bow:

Dunno what it is about it, it seems kinda police-y?

You sound extremely uncomfortable

Cape90
10-30-2023, 06:23
vv this world exists fwiw

i agree ladd is town

anyways die potato

Cape90
10-30-2023, 06:25
I hate this claim.

meh Syn wasn't mega on my radar anyways. I like the claim though

Syn
10-30-2023, 06:29
i have a question about this looking back at it

by extension, using this logic, do you think I am unlikely to be mafia? Or does this only apply to Wisdom?

only applies to wisdom since it assumes a world where one wolf started out d1 with two no-shows as teammates

but I don't think you're a wolf, also

Cape90
10-30-2023, 06:40
oh and Suibian is back to being town


Dammit I had another thought related to this but it left my head. Maybe I'll remember later.


I'm confused about Taffy's ender post in 362. I want to ask a question, but I'm zoning out and having a hard time finding the words, so kind a reminder for myself that I have a question here maybe.

quotes from 440 from Suibian that make me think they are likely town


What didn't you like about my Monty treatment? (The point about sleep bringing attention to something looking good feels a bit weird as I'm pretty sure we were just interacting about a read. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point.)

It just seemed to me that you were swayed very easily by words


And Ender's post that follows this one makes me feel like my earlier thoughts about Monty were on target and not just confusion. hrm


When Ladd asked me what I liked about the posts and went back I realized that it was mostly emojis and what I liked were a couple sentences that aren't really all that alignment indicative but I had a knee-jerk maybe I'm just confused by him reaction.

(the colored I was bothered by because they just felt wrong, you know? Kinda uncomfy and squirmy)

Especially when you actually gave a solid towncase on Monty


His 166 and 167 felt a bit more natural? Looking back there's not a huge reason why and scum could definitely feel a bit more natural as they settle in from early awkwardness, but I liked I liked the scary mind meld with a catch response to taffy and your read's posts, and I liked the bit about bracing himself for humiliatingly misreading ender or kage.

So, yeah not enough to go this guy is town, but enough for me to consider that I might just be confused by his earlier approach.

And not to mention you went from reconsidering your read on Monty to not wanting to vote Monty.


I want to believe in Visor and give Monty a day

And yk, making a good choice into killing El Barto

I saw it as a possible guilty consciousness thing to where you just decided to kill El Barto just to make yourself look good, but that's also not an avenue I am particularly interested pressing in on today when i just find it more likely that scum were not on El Barto. Occam's Razor is a thing after all

ladd
10-30-2023, 06:41
feel like rask is def missing some joie de vivre in their posting today

i dunno, visor read on ender i still really do not follow and am pretty wtf about but i generally think he is prob a villager otherwise?

i am at something like this:

villagers
ladd
taffy
syn
jan
tammy

prob villas
cape
visor

PoE
sleep
rask
ender
wisdom


i havent minded sleep posting but objectively can't really clear them

rask/ender prob not w/w (not only for today but also for interactions on d1)

Totally not Taffy can you claim who you healed?

Wisdom
10-30-2023, 09:00
So upon catch upon I grew confident on two more town reads:

Suibian - I think it's self explanatory, from my PoV the way he's written those walls are calm and transparent, focused without the agenda. Think he's bleeding town, and trying to figure out what it means for cape bringing it up first (probably nothing, slight plus?).

Ladd - So far mostly a vibe thing and it's kind of weird because I'm usually more careful calling him town when I know his reads are wrong, but I think his approach to me makes sense (and expecting him to have perfect reads isn't fair, sorry about the mash).

Can't remember Syn claiming so will check that out, but for now I feel good about calling [ladd, suibian, taffy] town.

Wisdom
10-30-2023, 09:04
actually I don't want to deal with taffy and cape wasting precious hours/posts casing me all day, and the EOD time makes a last-second claim to save myself too risky

I am vig and I shot monty (counterwagon, didn't see anything compelling to suggest they were unpaired either, independently scum-read monty). whoever taffy docc'd is confirmed town as well

Oh okay Syn v then, oops ^^

And another v in the doc heal

Nice, this feels like a fun start!

Wisdom
10-30-2023, 09:07
vote barto

Making bringing the only wolf up to form 3-3-3 wagons is not how busses happen. Suibian is pretty much lock town now.

Wisdom
10-30-2023, 09:14
~townpoints
Suibian

~good vibes
Syn
Wisdom

~fine
EnderWiggin
Totally not Taffy

------

Raskolnikov - Montmorency - I should have more opinion but I have reasons to dislike both tbh.

El Barto - 1 post, no input, all pill-on. Weaksauce.


Mostly unsorted people with little use so far:
Visor
nebjiamn r. Sleep
ladd
Kagemusha

Vote: El Barto

Nice, Jan is also town.

[Taffy, Syn, Suibian, Jan, Ladd?] town

Least confident on ladd now that I see some objectively towny stuff but I can keep him in the box for now!

5 to go, who even plays this game?

[Visor, Ender, Sleep, Cape, Rask]

If I can get 1 more town read (hoping one of them got docced) and decide where to vote this game is probably cracked! But that's in a bit.

Will try to be available for 9 hours if someone wanna vibe! Meanwhile it's time get out of bed ^^

Visor
10-30-2023, 09:23
man none of those posts are showing any like.... deep thoughts?

just all surface level, i get not every post has to be like that but i was really hoping for something to latch onto and idk there is nothing convincing about this series of posts?

why should i believe you are a vilalger wisdom

Wisdom
10-30-2023, 09:43
man none of those posts are showing any like.... deep thoughts?

just all surface level, i get not every post has to be like that but i was really hoping for something to latch onto and idk there is nothing convincing about this series of posts?

why should i believe you are a vilalger wisdom

Sorry for not focusing on how appear when I'm solving the game? But yeah, I know that I can seem a little lackluster when playing on phone, I don't wanna spend a lot of time writing bigger posts.

But I mean - do you take issue with my reads?

It's currently 9v2, meaning we can afford 3 more misyeets, meaning any PoE of 5 containing 2 wolves is a won game. And I have a PoE of 5 that, unless I'm wrong on ladd, contains 2 wolves. If I can get 1 more then me getting misyeeted is not a problem as long as people agree with my town box.

Do you agree with my town box, Visor?

Wisdom
10-30-2023, 09:49
Fwiw I kinda like this rebuttal from you.

Me: doing work
You: complaining it's not good enough

If you were a wolf here you'd be more inclined to acknowledge my work unless you were desperate to get me misyeeted, but in the current thread state you'd have no reason to be that. Meaning you're more likely to be town in this situation.

Town box: [Syn, Taffy, Jan, Suibian]
Town? box: [ladd, Visor]
The Rest Box: [Rask, Ender, Sleep, Cape]

Rask already being in The Rest Box doesn't feel like a good look for him honestly. Ender and Cape I only find for the right reasons on rare occasions, and I haven't played with Sleep. But Rask is often more findable when town.

ladd
10-30-2023, 10:35
Ladd - So far mostly a vibe thing and it's kind of weird because I'm usually more careful calling him town when I know his reads are wrong, but I think his approach to me makes sense (and expecting him to have perfect reads isn't fair, sorry about the mash).

Can't remember Syn claiming so will check that out, but for now I feel good about calling [ladd, suibian, taffy] town.

i dont get how are they wrong? cause you are in the poe?

no worries about the mash btw

/start ego post

(tho i will note that I did have a perfect 17/17 reads list d1 so the bit about perfect reads is funny :p)

(and i never defended lily idk where you ever got that from)

/end ego post

ladd
10-30-2023, 10:37
Town? box: [ladd, Visor]


i find it funny that me and visor are more or less in the same spot for everyone AND for each other of most likely busser lmao



Rask already being in The Rest Box doesn't feel like a good look for him honestly. Ender and Cape I only find for the right reasons on rare occasions, and I haven't played with Sleep. But Rask is often more findable when town.


so no read on cape posts?

Wisdom
10-30-2023, 10:44
i dont get how are they wrong? cause you are in the poe?

no worries about the mash btw

/start ego post

(tho i will note that I did have a perfect 17/17 reads list d1 so the bit about perfect reads is funny :p)

(and i never defended lily idk where you ever got that from)

/end ego post

Yeah and in the bottom of it^^

(I'm so mad that I sussed you/Lan/Dya as a trio and decided to shoot you instead of the others)

Wisdom
10-30-2023, 10:45
i find it funny that me and visor are more or less in the same spot for everyone AND for each other of most likely busser lmao




so no read on cape posts?

Not yet!
So far I've read his posts and thought "Yep this is Cape"

ladd
10-30-2023, 10:50
Yeah and in the bottom of it^^

(I'm so mad that I sussed you/Lan/Dya as a trio and decided to shoot you instead of the others)

lan was a villager they were death millered eheh

Wisdom
10-30-2023, 10:54
lan was a villager they were death millered eheh

OH
Hah ok the whole bastard bit doesn't vibe with me. Good thing I tried hard defending him in the end then (:

Visor
10-30-2023, 11:01
Sorry for not focusing on how appear when I'm solving the game? But yeah, I know that I can seem a little lackluster when playing on phone, I don't wanna spend a lot of time writing bigger posts.

But I mean - do you take issue with my reads?

It's currently 9v2, meaning we can afford 3 more misyeets, meaning any PoE of 5 containing 2 wolves is a won game. And I have a PoE of 5 that, unless I'm wrong on ladd, contains 2 wolves. If I can get 1 more then me getting misyeeted is not a problem as long as people agree with my town box.

Do you agree with my town box, Visor?

i don't care about your box (lol)

i care about how you put together your posts in terms of thoughts

it is easy to write simple sounding stuff as a wolf and you're not a bad player, you can come up with all the stuff you wrote above

what i am looking for is a spark of something beyond regular 'solving'

creating a box does nothing to build any confidence in you beign a villager, every player can do that

you have done 'work' in terms of assembling a poe for simple enough reasons

but i cannot see the 'work' in assembling genuine solving - you appear to be taking a simple face value approach to things without considering any deeper nuance

Visor
10-30-2023, 11:05
like, this truly isn't a hard poe to come up with


Town box: [Syn, Taffy, Jan, Suibian]
Town? box: [ladd, Visor]
The Rest Box: [Rask, Ender, Sleep, Cape]

syn and taffy claimed pr

jan and suibian voted wolf, jan early, suibian later in good spots
ladd and i voted a wolf

the rest are the rest

i mean that is like unbelievably basic lol (i don't want to sound mean i am just trying to show you that what you are doing isn't standing out to me). what in your posts show me that you have put in genuine effort to even sort 'the rest' lol. if this was a startign point and you had launched into other stuff, that would be fine, i totally get this as a sounding board to jump into the poe and start figuring them out, but we are most of the way through the day phase and this was a read you could've made a few hours into d2

truly feels like going through the motions

Visor
10-30-2023, 11:08
i don't want my posts to come across as like poo-pooing your work or whatever, i just want you to understand that i need you to show me something that isn't just surface level takes of the thread

give me a nuanced read on rask, give me something intersting about cape or sleep

if you are a villager, i am not able to get there on you right now and it will likely end in me trying to kill you

(this is my 18th post for my own personal tracking)

Wisdom
10-30-2023, 11:13
like, this truly isn't a hard poe to come up with


Town box: [Syn, Taffy, Jan, Suibian]
Town? box: [ladd, Visor]
The Rest Box: [Rask, Ender, Sleep, Cape]

syn and taffy claimed pr

jan and suibian voted wolf, jan early, suibian later in good spots
ladd and i voted a wolf

the rest are the rest

i mean that is like unbelievably basic lol (i don't want to sound mean i am just trying to show you that what you are doing isn't standing out to me). what in your posts show me that you have put in genuine effort to even sort 'the rest' lol. if this was a startign point and you had launched into other stuff, that would be fine, i totally get this as a sounding board to jump into the poe and start figuring them out, but we are most of the way through the day phase and this was a read you could've made a few hours into d2

truly feels like going through the motions

I started playing the game like 2 hours ago if you didn't notice, the rest is just trying to keep min while being busy irl and in a mash. I get your PoV but it's kind of weh, you know? I don't need the snark, it won't make me try to force reads. I'll put more time on the remaining ones when I feel like it, as it is I'm probably going to vote Rask and I don't know how to find him wolf so don't expect a game winning wolf case from me, I just know how to find him town and he hasn't done enough for that. He lacks the fire and oomph for a town read, and even though it's been a few months since we talked about this game happening he was quite hype back then, so I expect more oomph from v!him now.

Ender could be a wolf, but I think he's also wolves easiest target today if he's town.

Visor
10-30-2023, 11:15
im not trying to be snarky - i just feel disappointed lol (hard to explain - i guess its just i know you are a good player so when i see this im like cmon bronana)

ladd
10-30-2023, 11:18
vote:rask

Wisdom
10-30-2023, 11:30
im not trying to be snarky - i just feel disappointed lol (hard to explain - i guess its just i know you are a good player so when i see this im like cmon bronana)

I mean, fair, I've just been in a slump since Champs and trying to find a way to play where I can both have fun, make good reads and feel respected for the time I put into playing. I'd rather disappoint than burn out and getting no cred for it. I can't even be here for EoD's, where most people are online, so even if I do big things right now people will forget about it by the time it matters.

But also, we're not in a hurry? It's d2, we're 9v2 and believe it or not I'm not getting yeeted today (she says confidently after getting yeeted d1 in 6 out of 10 games since Champs). We're winning this, I might be yeeted on the way but more likely is that I'm spewed town after the next wolf flip.

Vote: Raskolnikov

Visor
10-30-2023, 11:31
i wish monty was alive

yo ladd, talk to me about rask/wisdom

cause i feel like th game is ehading towards killing both of them

Wisdom
10-30-2023, 11:31
Stupid ladd sniping the vote now I look like a monkey!

Visor
10-30-2023, 11:32
I mean, fair, I've just been in a slump since Champs and trying to find a way to play where I can both have fun, make good reads and feel respected for the time I put into playing. I'd rather disappoint than burn out and getting no cred for it. I can't even be here for EoD's, where most people are online, so even if I do big things right now people will forget about it by the time it matters.

thats fair, i understand that - i'm not really looking for like 'lots' of work, more just nuggets that speak to me and say hey its clear this person is genuinely trying to put together the pieces

ladd
10-30-2023, 11:42
i wish monty was alive

yo ladd, talk to me about rask/wisdom

cause i feel like th game is ehading towards killing both of them

not sure what to do about wisdom tbh, i agree with most of what you have said but there is some stuff i liked from them too.

some of their posts towards you seem more feisty and less appeasy than i expect them to be as a wolf and them villareading me hard on this page only to back off and putting me in the paranoia box seemed kinda villagery? it showed some thought at least


rask just doesnt seem to be having fun like in all other games i played on the org with them. i dont even think their posting is bad tbh - its just missing the spark and doesnt feel like they really care about solving the game

Visor
10-30-2023, 11:45
rask just doesnt seem to be having fun like in all other games i played on the org with them. i dont even think their posting is bad tbh - its just missing the spark and doesnt feel like they really care about solving the game

i also feel this, yeah

there's a lack of... idk fun (joie de vivre, like you said earlier lol)

ladd
10-30-2023, 11:47
ender/rask - seems unlikely

ender/sleep - possible but feel like sleep voting ender openly saying it was a sheep didnt seem w/w

rask/wisdom - i guess nothing wrong with this. some pg.1 interaction that i'd need to double check. gut says this is not it but not impossible

rask/sleep - seems possible

ender/wisdom - seems possible



assuming i am not misreading anyone this is where i am at

Wisdom
10-30-2023, 11:50
Ladd/Visor what's your thoughts on Cape?

Wisdom
10-30-2023, 11:53
I'm confident there's at least 1 wolf in Ender/Sleep/Cape btw

ladd
10-30-2023, 11:55
Ladd/Visor what's your thoughts on Cape?

posted well, think he is fairly likely to be a villager tho it is easier to post as a wolf subbing in (esp if he was reading along)

but his thoughts flow well, his jumping around and re evaluation all seemed believable to me, he had some stuff that showed me the wheels in his brain are turning (to use a Voxxism) and he has good tone to top it off

Visor
10-30-2023, 11:56
Ladd/Visor what's your thoughts on Cape?

nothing particularly strong, posts have seemed reasonable, hasn't really struggled, seems to be doing regular enough cape things


I'm confident there's at least 1 wolf in Ender/Sleep/Cape btw

i mean, can you talk about them individually as to why they are wolves?

do you not worry that either ladd or myself (or jan?) could hav ebussed?

Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 12:04
I specifically am thrown off by this comment in this post

IDK, it really sounds like ur wolf here with that "very good"

Sorry for your not "very good" rand :bow:

Dunno what it is about it, it seems kinda police-y?

You sound extremely uncomfortable

lol bub.

the "very good" means exactly that I was starting to worry about this slot because Taffy sounded tonally different from past games but I don't have to wonder about it now because they are selfresolving. "Very good" as in, with Syn kinda out of thde chopping block too, I just have to find 4 more villagers to get a game winning POE.

Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 12:08
i agree ladd is town

anyways die potato

lololol wth

Wisdom
10-30-2023, 12:11
nothing particularly strong, posts have seemed reasonable, hasn't really struggled, seems to be doing regular enough cape things



i mean, can you talk about them individually as to why they are wolves?

do you not worry that either ladd or myself (or jan?) could hav ebussed?

Jan didn't bus, not like that, 0 worries there.
My thoughts on you/ladd have nothing to do with your approach to (whatever the name of the wolf was). And you're likely not w/w, pretty sure you wouldn't both care about being active here when there's just about no thread activity, or you would at least use your time in thread to interact with each other to give some kind of non w/w vibe rather than just echoing each other like you're doing now.

But sure, if one of you is a wolf and Rask is the other then there's no wolf in Cape/Sleep/Ender. I'm not there yet though.

Oh, and Rask/ladd is also not w/w so nvm that possibility.

Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 12:19
i also feel this, yeah

there's a lack of... idk fun (joie de vivre, like you said earlier lol)

tbh both of you are saying this but I am being in everyone's POE for raisins and it's cetainly hurting my joie de vivre smh.

Like Cape is being the real potatoe conf-biaising himself into locking me for surface level micro reads. Ladd just copypasted my point of view then go on to vote me like the slimmy sloab he is. You are constantly posting I am a wolf since game start for no sensible reasons either.

Your reason to clear Ender is dumb af and both of you are spearheading a chop on a villager and loosing us a valuable day lol.

The fact Wisdom reversed their read on me without expressed reason and are voting happily with you should just spew me town (look this wagon lmao) and make it clear it's just Wisdom/Ender most of the time.

su l8r.


edit: Ender, will reread EOD1 l8r to see if I actually missed the context to your Wisdom vote, maybe I just did since I scroll back from last tally

Visor
10-30-2023, 12:21
Vote: wisdom

better

ladd
10-30-2023, 12:41
Ladd just copypasted my point of view

Its viceversa :p

Bbl

unvote

EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 13:40
oh and Suibian is back to being town

I'm ngl I saw the Suibian posts and was like "That's an awful lot of words to say 'I don't scumread anyone'."

Visor
10-30-2023, 13:41
i think i will just stick to killing wisdom

i just don't believe their solving aorn

EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 13:43
I'm confident there's at least 1 wolf in Ender/Sleep/Cape btw

Why is Rask not part of this even though you're voting him?

What is it about that specific subset minus rask that makes you confident to say this?

Gemma
10-30-2023, 13:48
Votal 2.3

Rask (3) - Cape (#352 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850905&viewfull=1#post2053850905)), Ender (#431 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850989&viewfull=1#post2053850989)), Wisdom (#475 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851036&viewfull=1#post2053851036))
Ender (2) - Sleep (#358 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850911&viewfull=1#post2053850911)), Rask (#412 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850969&viewfull=1#post2053850969))
Sleep (1) - Syn (#418 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850975&viewfull=1#post2053850975))
Wisdom (1) - Visor (#490 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851051&viewfull=1#post2053851051))

https://media.tenor.com/r2J6PkaErRwAAAAM/eating-matty-matheson.gif

eod2

EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 13:49
I don't think I like Rask's "valuable day" thing. Something pings off about how much he cares about going over.

But also this worked out well last day phase so...

Vote: Wisdom

EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 13:56
I think I don't mind living in the current POE. I'm at least surrounded by people I think are likely wolves. Ladd is the only person I think wolf who has actually escaped the POE for now. (Yes, yes, I just made a snarky comment about Suibian. Keeping an eye there but I do still like their tone and interactions. Current wolf lists on my end do not have them over Wisdom/Rask/Ladd)

ladd
10-30-2023, 14:17
Ladd is the only person I think wolf

How

Wisdom
10-30-2023, 15:35
Why is Rask not part of this even though you're voting him?

What is it about that specific subset minus rask that makes you confident to say this?

I think the most likely world is Rask + one of the three and the second likilies world is 2 of the three and least likely is one of Visor/ladd + one of the 4 in PoE. I don't see a world where other possibilities exist.

I don't know what Visor is on about, it's weird but I still think it's towny.

Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 15:40
EnderWiggin


ender or wisdom pls

dont kill monty or rask


so my initial read on wisdom was that they were too slanky to be a wolf but then they made some more posts and i was like woah slow down there chief thats some wolfy stuff

ender still more likely to be a wolf tho imo


sorry i don't really feel like explaining 'i looked at their posts and i felt bad'

thats about it


Ohshit

Vote: Wisdom


Votal 1.5

Monty (3) - Rask (#38 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850576&viewfull=1#post2053850576)), Barto (#67 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850606&viewfull=1#post2053850606)), Wisdom (#185 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850726&viewfull=1#post2053850726))
Wisdom (3) - Visor (#147 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850686&viewfull=1#post2053850686)), Sleep (#229 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850770&viewfull=1#post2053850770)), Ender (#256 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850797&viewfull=1#post2053850797))
Barto (2) - Jan (#73 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850612&viewfull=1#post2053850612)), ladd (#175 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850716&viewfull=1#post2053850716))
Rask (2) - Taffy (#11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850548&viewfull=1#post2053850548)), Monty (#274 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850816&viewfull=1#post2053850816))
Jan (1) - Suibian (#9 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850546&viewfull=1#post2053850546))
Taffy (1) - Syn (#232 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850773&viewfull=1#post2053850773))

https://media.tenor.com/FVL2P5gxMnAAAAAM/phew-close.gif

Day 1 has ended.


I was gonna change votes but this is a 3-way tie and I like that.

So you basically came in at EOD with a case on Monty and saying that your other SR was Jan. post 207 (ttps://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850748&viewfull=1#post2053850748)

Then Visor comes in asking for you or Wisdom, gives a couple of arguments. You choose to follow up on his joke and vote Wisdom. You stayed there for a while and wagons grew to 4-way tie.

It's not so much that your Wisdom vote is a joke Ender, it's that you appeared to not give a shit to where your vote were going.

Ofc the last minute switch on a villa while El Barto was flipping red shows that most likely all other wagons were town (I am, Monty was and I'd say Wisdom has chance to be given wagonomics) and builds up your scum equity friendo :p

I mean, wagons were pretty stables during the day. (Monty, me)