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I can probably find the whole wolf team, or at least clear someone, based on who wolves tried to nk, so would be hype to see who the intended nk was.
Unless it's Syn, I guess. That wouldn't tell me much.
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 15:49
I don't think I like Rask's "valuable day" thing. Something pings off about how much he cares about going over.
But also this worked out well last day phase so...
Vote: Wisdom
Like what? At least tell us what so it doesn't look like shades.
Tbh, I think most of you are going with a volume tell or something, and since I haven't been able to sit the thread for a while, people are scumreading me because I feel different smh.
idgs to be yeeted, but it would make for a nice change if we can avoid a loose after chopping a scum D1 (which I am really tired of tbh)
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 16:02
Its viceversa :p
Bbl
unvote
Was gonna reread Wisdom last string of posts because of Visor's read there, but took 2 minutes to restablish some things, Ladd :p
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Sup guys.
Ngl wanted to turbo Ender but I guess we will think about it (eod1 looks like an uncontrolled fiasco for woofs but I might have that wrong need to reread.)
Congrats taffy unvoting me. Both elite villa move and hilarious :thumbsup:
I exist and have thoughts.
One wolf in Visor/Ender.
Need to look back at Ladd and Wisdom tbh. Though not sure why. Prolly not a pairing but two slots Ive been uncomfy on reread.
Taffy looked different but I think I saw a claim, very good.
Gonna drive today. Will articulate these reads l8r if they are stickers.
I tryed to order things after some of driving...
Syn
Taffy
No reason to doubt the claims aorn. Think it's great play to claim now and having Taffy's target before EOD would be golden.
Ladd Think I like their posting for the most part. Pushed for Monty D1 but ended up on El Barto who were not in contention till late while wagons were tt (me/Monty). Don't feel like a wolf motivated move to me. Same reaction than me to Ender's EOD.
Visor Kind of liked his energy on some posts at EOD, trying to shake things while 2 MLs were lined up already. Just feel like a villager.
Rest is null or lower but not sure I can articulate why I ordered like that lol.
Sleep
Tammy
Cape
Jan
Wisdom had an early villa read on them because of the way they TRed both Syn and I while he was trying to suss me. Reminded me some of their villa play. Though that's about it iirc.
Ender Just cased Monty but was voting Wisdom at EOD before Visor put El Barto in the lead one minute before deadline. Swiitched to Monty to save El Barto presumably (didnt seem a good move before that) :shrug:
in a wolf!Ender world, Wisdom is a villager
Just think the wolfes were taken by surprise at EOD and didn't see an El Barto yeet coming. Hence I would not pursue El barto voters today (Jan, Ladd, Subian, Visor), nor THe claimed PRs (Taffy, Syn).
I wanna look more at Ender/Wisdom, and Sleep I guess. (Cape no reason to look into and wanna let him time to contribute I guess)
feel like rask is def missing some joie de vivre in their posting today
i dunno, visor read on ender i still really do not follow and am pretty wtf about but i generally think he is prob a villager otherwise?
i am at something like this:
villagers
ladd
taffy
syn
jan
tammy
prob villas
cape
visor
PoE
sleep
rask
ender
wisdom
i havent minded sleep posting but objectively can't really clear them
rask/ender prob not w/w (not only for today but also for interactions on d1)
Totally not Taffy can you claim who you healed?
(highlighted the important part)
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So maybe people can get in my shoes and understand I lack joie de vivre when I stumble upon this:
vote:rask
i buy what rask is saying, i am back to them being a villager
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Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 16:04
Tbh it would be so much easier for me to just SR you but I don't wanna tinfoil that rn because I don't think wolves felt an early need to bus El Barto (unless he warned in wolf chat he wouldln't be able to play properly dunno). Kindof the same logic applies to Jan.
So maybe people can get in my shoes and understand I lack joie de vivre when I stumble upon this:
my comment on the joie de vivre was also based on d1, but you are prob right that the fact you were afk second half of d1 influenced my feeling
i am cool with you now and you are back in my villas
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Tbh it would be so much easier for me to just SR you but I don't wanna tinfoil that rn because I don't think wolves felt an early need to bus El Barto (unless he warned in wolf chat he wouldln't be able to play properly dunno). Kindof the same logic applies to Jan.
why would you wolfread me? why would anyone wolf read me this game lol
i swear my name has been thrown around by everyone as their favourite tinfoil but like...why? i have voted a wolf and have posting villagery wtf do you guis want lol
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 16:17
why would you wolfread me? why would anyone wolf read me this game lol
i swear my name has been thrown around by everyone as their favourite tinfoil but like...why? i have voted a wolf and have posting villagery wtf do you guis want lol
Precisaly, I made that post to show that despite there are some stuff I dislike in your posting (and things u said which are not true or just partially etc), I am still TRing you for a precise reason.
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 16:20
I think there was a comment you made to Jan D1, Ladd, that looked potentially uncalled for and ww, but can't really remember what and is now unrelevant with EOD1 tally.
Maybe I am wording things that way because of this. oh yeap it's when Jan posted about being the potential N1 and you called him out with a "oh villagery" kindof post.
anyway, will reread Wisdom a bit.
The claims don't bother me, they are what they are, makes enough sense to me
Tammy, read on Jan/ladd/raskol?
Jan - town. I’ve consistently liked his posts and feel good about him overall. I don’t feel a need to reevaluate this read today.
Ladd - weaker town read but I haven’t seen anything scummy. Good flow, good tone.
Rask - eh this is one I need to think about and reevaluate. My read was mostly he seemed fine and I didn’t understand what Monty was on about yesterday. I started doubting this when he wasn’t at eod yesterday, because I worried he was avoiding eod when he was a wagon and said he’d be here, but I think I mistook a sleep post for rask as their avatars look bit similar to me. So this is a lot of words to say idk but this is a read I wanted to look back at this day when I have the time after work.
I think this is probably the first Ladd post I've seen and immediately just agreed with without reservations.
i dont get how you can make this statement when d1 i basically said part of what you said about monty before you and iirc we had similarish reads
and now of all statements to agree with...its wanting more out of rask/wisdom which is something so generic
and now you apparentely think i am a wolf - why? because i am pushing you and i pushed you another game before when I was a villager? idk man that doesnt make much sense to me, am i not allowed to push you anymore cause 1 game i was a wolf in i pushe dyou lol
i think i have explained fairly well why i think you are a wolf this game (it doesnt take a lot of imagination to think of a world where you are a wolf) but just in case i'll re explain it:
you voted monty in what was basicall RVS on pg.1 for (imo) a silly reason, then you turned that into a real (and your only) push towards EoD by quoting basically every post in monty iso and calling it wolfy
then you made this post to monty:
Heya Monty.
Can I have some brief top town/top wolf reads from ya?
Just like... idk
First 3 names for either like Taffy did to pocket you.
which to me really reads like the classic wolf trying to appease the villager they are pushing by asking some generic questions they don't care to have the answer to (which visor iirc called out, which is why i am even more confuse dby him backing off today)
then from this point on, you have 0 interactions, re valaution or pondering/doubt on monty alignment until you snipe him at the end of EoD:
Vote: Monty
Who saw this top 10 anime betrayal coming
hope this helps
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Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 16:30
Votal 1.5
Monty (3) - Rask (#38 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850576&viewfull=1#post2053850576)), Barto (#67 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850606&viewfull=1#post2053850606)), Wisdom (#185 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850726&viewfull=1#post2053850726))
Wisdom (3) - Visor (#147 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850686&viewfull=1#post2053850686)), Sleep (#229 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850770&viewfull=1#post2053850770)), Ender (#256 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850797&viewfull=1#post2053850797))
Barto (2) - Jan (#73 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850612&viewfull=1#post2053850612)), ladd (#175 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850716&viewfull=1#post2053850716))
Rask (2) - Taffy (#11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850548&viewfull=1#post2053850548)), Monty (#274 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850816&viewfull=1#post2053850816))
Jan (1) - Suibian (#9 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850546&viewfull=1#post2053850546))
Taffy (1) - Syn (#232 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850773&viewfull=1#post2053850773))
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Day 1 has ended.
vote barto
Making bringing the only wolf up to form 3-3-3 wagons is not how busses happen. Suibian is pretty much lock town now.
How do you come up with this when your very next post shows you haven't cleared me at this point in time?
im not trying to be snarky - i just feel disappointed lol (hard to explain - i guess its just i know you are a good player so when i see this im like cmon bronana)
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Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 16:45
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The better part is that Visor would hate someone pushing him for these very reasons lol, dude wants the right to slank as a villa but apparently we poor villas will be denied the favor. rip
inb4 Visor is just a wolf throwing this at town!Wisdom for giggles (don't really believe it but would be hilarious).
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 16:50
How do you come up with this when your very next post shows you haven't cleared me at this point in time?
To be clearer: is anyone reading this as a slip/TMI or should I just shrug it off and move on?
To be clearer: is anyone reading this as a slip/TMI or should I just shrug it off and move on?
i was gonna let wisdom answer but they meant to bring it 3/3/3 with monty/wisdom/barto where the only wolf (out of those 3) was barto
so ya not a slip and not really of interest imo
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Smh Rask ^^
But yeah, what ladd said.
Going out for today, might not come back.
Btw how can you see your daily post count?
vote:sleep
Sorry but the more i read the more you feel the odd one out and i get the feeling you regret subbing in the game (which is prob true regardless of your alignment i guess)
Gotta go for a bit but i have basically the week off work so i may even stay awake for eod who knows
Bbl
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I would not be surprised if one of ender/sleep is in my blind spot.
I would not be surprised if one of ender/sleep is in my blind spot.
Whats your reads rn?
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Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 17:50
Btw how can you see your daily post count?
You count them manually :curtain:
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Whats your reads rn?
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Everybody’s town!
I wish I were joking but I keep thinking I suspect someone they post and I go hrm never mind they might be town. I don’t have any strong scum reads so I need to revisit. I’m writing someone off as town that I shouldn’t be, so I need to review my blind spots. It sucks when this happens but things haven’t clicked into place yet.
hey, sorry for my absence, wasnt really in the mood for mafia yesterday, going to try to get up to speed real quickly
I mean, fair, I've just been in a slump since Champs and trying to find a way to play where I can both have fun, make good reads and feel respected for the time I put into playing. I'd rather disappoint than burn out and getting no cred for it. I can't even be here for EoD's, where most people are online, so even if I do big things right now people will forget about it by the time it matters.
this was my angleshoot-y wisdom town read btw
hey, sorry for my absence, wasnt really in the mood for mafia yesterday, going to try to get up to speed real quickly
the game is slow enough to take a day off. No worries.
tbh both of you are saying this but I am being in everyone's POE for raisins and it's cetainly hurting my joie de vivre smh.
Like Cape is being the real potatoe conf-biaising himself into locking me for surface level micro reads. Ladd just copypasted my point of view then go on to vote me like the slimmy sloab he is. You are constantly posting I am a wolf since game start for no sensible reasons either.
Your reason to clear Ender is dumb af and both of you are spearheading a chop on a villager and loosing us a valuable day lol.
The fact Wisdom reversed their read on me without expressed reason and are voting happily with you should just spew me town (look this wagon lmao) and make it clear it's just Wisdom/Ender most of the time.
su l8r.
edit: Ender, will reread EOD1 l8r to see if I actually missed the context to your Wisdom vote, maybe I just did since I scroll back from last tally
this is a wolf post
Everybody’s town!
I wish I were joking but I keep thinking I suspect someone they post and I go hrm never mind they might be town. I don’t have any strong scum reads so I need to revisit. I’m writing someone off as town that I shouldn’t be, so I need to review my blind spots. It sucks when this happens but things haven’t clicked into place yet.
Rask, wisdom, sleep, ender are the ones I need to review the most I think.
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 18:26
Its not. Me too I will try posting my pet dreams till they come true
Its not. Me too I will try posting my pet dreams till they come true
unvote: Sleep
vote: Raskol
just going to post my thoughts as bullet points rather than addressing individual points
- cape's entry is fine, i was initially weirded out by him immediately re-reading people but it became aparent he was just throwing isos on everyone, kind of felt like busywork at first but decided i was okay with it as it went on and seemed more like him trying to orient himself within the game rather than hunting for positioning
- i don't think taffy makes a claim like that as mafia, syn is bizarre but also dont think mafia is likely to fakeclaim vig
- don't think lack of investment is a good reason to clear wisdom as syn suggests
- not sure visor's reasoning in #400 is great, i have seen scum go all in on trying to save a partner day 1 in the hope the risky play works, and if he hadn't voted monty there his progression would have been suspect. this is especially true if the other partner is potentially not around to do much - losing a teammate there might put him in the hole irrevocably. as it is it feels like the POE is pretty narrow to me and i have less reason to claer ender than other people
- rask's re-entry doesn't really do anything for me
- ender's page 15 doesn't really feel that scummy to me, idk. it does feel kind of like there's some town entitlement to how he was reacting to pressure
-kind of concerned by cape initially townreading me then angling toward potentially voting me when i've been absent and laddsuggests me as a ossibility
- i think ladd's POE in #455 is basically fine tbh and where i was at, I have a slight concern over cape but that's only a 5th name anyway and i think this game is probably just an easy one for town hopefully
-wisdom's progression still not doing much for me altho i'm not sure what wisdom COULD post at this point that would make me townread her. i get why people backed off but it kind of reads like generic emotional appeal stuff which feels a little scummy
- don't have real thoughts on rask's most recwent pots right now, need to re-look at them later because everything is blurring together in my head at this point
unfortunately my schedule is also not great for this game and i have only a couple more hours i can be here, then i'm gone and won't be present for EOD. will try to get in what i can in that time if anyone has stuff they want to ask me do it now
- don't think lack of investment is a good reason to clear wisdom as syn suggests
To me, wisdom read as a villager for being non-apologetic and going against the grain early on.
Nobody has agreed with that at all so I am willing to let it go. Just curious if you think that speaks to wisdoms alignment.
HYPE!
I suppose I don't need to play. No one does. Rask got this!
The initial post is basically begging for heat and someone to jump on it.
It is a clear joke but so easy to get called out on the lazy part of it esp if you don't plan to deliver afterwards.
I hereby proclaim that both Rask and Syn are town!
Reason: Gut instinct
My opinion is that last time I opened thread we were still in rvs ^^ I'm waiting until the game actually starts before I start reading people!
Again a post that is so unashamed but invites people to turn up the heat.
Gut wolves
Jan
Syn
I hope you can steer me the right way if I'm wrong here friend!
Syn is more jokey than snarky which I tend to find wolfy from him
Jan is only gut, didn't vibe with how easy he called me town, but I haven't actually tried to read him properly in years (I think we've only played mashes) so I have no clue.
Wisdom afterwards giving reads but important to note is that those reads were unique at the time this is not the easy out of following the consensus.
And both of those takes feel believable tbh.
wrt Wisdom -
I don't think they have done anything unfakeable at all but I also don't really think they have been particularly wolfy?
I kinda liked how they went super quickly from having me as a villa read:
So upon catch upon I grew confident on two more town reads:
Suibian - I think it's self explanatory, from my PoV the way he's written those walls are calm and transparent, focused without the agenda. Think he's bleeding town, and trying to figure out what it means for cape bringing it up first (probably nothing, slight plus?).
Ladd - So far mostly a vibe thing and it's kind of weird because I'm usually more careful calling him town when I know his reads are wrong, but I think his approach to me makes sense (and expecting him to have perfect reads isn't fair, sorry about the mash).
Can't remember Syn claiming so will check that out, but for now I feel good about calling [ladd, suibian, taffy] town.
to this below:
Nice, Jan is also town.
[Taffy, Syn, Suibian, Jan, Ladd?] town
Least confident on ladd now that I see some objectively towny stuff but I can keep him in the box for now!
5 to go, who even plays this game?
[Visor, Ender, Sleep, Cape, Rask]
If I can get 1 more town read (hoping one of them got docced) and decide where to vote this game is probably cracked! But that's in a bit.
Will try to be available for 9 hours if someone wanna vibe! Meanwhile it's time get out of bed ^^
feels like the classic paranoia that sadly villagers seem to have towards me lol
I'm confident there's at least 1 wolf in Ender/Sleep/Cape btw
Wisdom How did you come up with these 3 names?
So you basically came in at EOD with a case on Monty and saying that your other SR was Jan. post 207 (ttps://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850748&viewfull=1#post2053850748)
Then Visor comes in asking for you or Wisdom, gives a couple of arguments. You choose to follow up on his joke and vote Wisdom. You stayed there for a while and wagons grew to 4-way tie.
It's not so much that your Wisdom vote is a joke Ender, it's that you appeared to not give a shit to where your vote were going.
Ofc the last minute switch on a villa while El Barto was flipping red shows that most likely all other wagons were town (I am, Monty was and I'd say Wisdom has chance to be given wagonomics) and builds up your scum equity friendo :p
I mean, wagons were pretty stables during the day. (Monty, me)
you seemed pretty confident it was ender/wisdom
if wisdom is a villager due to wagonomics, who do you think is a wolf with ender? i also don't really follow why you think wisdom has a chance to be a villager due to wagonomics
Going to bed
vote: Montmercy
Glgl
man this vote is pretty meh
was it sheeping me still? cause:
1) I voted barto like 10 posts before this one
2) monty had been posting on the page previous to this vote, did you read his posts? did you have any thoughts on them?
just so i dont waste another post on this - i re skimmed visor ISO just in case and i am okay locking him in as a villager and redy to be snowed again :curtain:
he is hitting all his villa notes to me
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oh and Suibian is back to being town
quotes from 440 from Suibian that make me think they are likely town
It just seemed to me that you were swayed very easily by words
(the colored I was bothered by because they just felt wrong, you know? Kinda uncomfy and squirmy)
Especially when you actually gave a solid towncase on Monty
And not to mention you went from reconsidering your read on Monty to not wanting to vote Monty.
And yk, making a good choice into killing El Barto
I saw it as a possible guilty consciousness thing to where you just decided to kill El Barto just to make yourself look good, but that's also not an avenue I am particularly interested pressing in on today when i just find it more likely that scum were not on El Barto. Occam's Razor is a thing after all
I’m on my phone so can’t cut this down, sorry. That makes sense, and sometimes I am swayed by other people’s words, especially when I’m feeling very unconfident about a read, think some of my reasoning is silly, and when it comes from someone I respect in general and their words make sense to me. It doesn’t mean I will for every read, but definitely for some. I can be quite waffly in general and go back and forth between things I’m not sure of.
I fell asleep mid-skim last night when I got home, but my knee-jerk reaction to this post was that Ladd was defending the night kill in a way that I thought he made the kill, but if Syn is telling the truth about being the vig who shot Monty then this thought was probably dumb, and in that case this post feels towny. (I know there could be double dipping and all, but that being the nightkill is just too odd that I don't want to believe it.)
this is a pretty villagery thought
i dunno, i was getting a bit worried about tammy cause idk them at all and getting by as a wolf by posting walls in such a slow game is a pretty easy strat (which is a bit unfari on my part cause its also a perfectly fine playstyle as a villager) but all their thoughts sound good/villagery to me and people who have meta there seem to believe tammy is just a villager so i am cool with them
i re read cape posts and i am gonna demote him 1 tier cause while they sound good, most of the good stuff is immediately after sub in and its pretty easy to post the way he has as a wolf i think. Don't see anything clearing tho i still feel guilty about mislunching him last game so i wont touch him today
i also did something i havent done in years and skimmed a rask wolf game for some meta. their posting here def feels better to me tho I think they have another gear if they are a villager and can fully clear themselves
also saw some minor cape/ender w/w looking stuff while reading back, wonder if that could make sense
right now i am at
v
ladd
taffy
syn
jan
visor
tammy
the rest
sleep -not sure how to read their play this game, feel like they have done nothing ai lol
wisdom - going back and forth. i am slightlyyyy more on them being v than w now i think
rask - similar to above sometimes i want to move them up and sometimes i wanna lunch them. right now i am more on the former but hope to see more between now and eod. if them/wisdom is v/v thats rough for the gamestate right now tho
ender - idk, objectively to me it's still the slot who has the wolfiest stuff but i also wanna honour visor read here
cape - never bee great at reading cape, wanna see more beyond the isos
not ordered
will be back before eod to pick a vote
vote:unvote
-kind of concerned by cape initially townreading me then angling toward potentially voting me when i've been absent and laddsuggests me as a ossibility
i dont think i suggested you before cape turned on you fwiw
cape hasnt posted since i voted you
rest of your points seem reasonable
man if taffy doesnt post before eod...that's rough
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ok im leaving for real now, probably not going to be at EOD tho if i'm lucky i might get back a few minutes before. prob should have considered my schedule before subbing in, sorry abt that.
wish i could be more help but think game is in a good place anyway, atm i'm kind of fine to go with the flow and let other people lead because i trust their instincts more than my own. unless someone wants me to sheep i'm just gonna not vote
unvote
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 21:37
you seemed pretty confident it was ender/wisdom
if wisdom is a villager due to wagonomics, who do you think is a wolf with ender? i also don't really follow why you think wisdom has a chance to be a villager due to wagonomics
I have never been confident in ender/wisdom, reread my posts. I had an early TR on Wisdom (Tammy posted the post I liked about Syn/me being vv a bit earlier, which reminded some takes from v!Wisdom but these are still all in all ez to make so that read didn't quite stick), but then was left with people I liked more SOD2 hence their positionning in my reads.
Basically both reads were independant.
Now about wagonomics, below are the last VCs of D1:
Votal 1.4
Monty (4) - Ender (#16 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850554&viewfull=1#post2053850554)), Rask (#38 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850576&viewfull=1#post2053850576)), Barto (#67 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850606&viewfull=1#post2053850606)), Wisdom (#185 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850726&viewfull=1#post2053850726))
Rask (3) - Taffy (#11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850548&viewfull=1#post2053850548)), Syn (#12 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850549&viewfull=1#post2053850549)), Monty (#13 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850550&viewfull=1#post2053850550))
Barto (2) - Jan (#73 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850612&viewfull=1#post2053850612)), ladd (#175 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850716&viewfull=1#post2053850716))
Jan (1) - Suibian (#9 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850546&viewfull=1#post2053850546))
Syn (1) - Sleep (#84 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850623&viewfull=1#post2053850623))
Wisdom (1) - Visor (#147 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850686&viewfull=1#post2053850686))
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Day 1 has ended.
Votal 1.5
Monty (3) - Rask (#38 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850576&viewfull=1#post2053850576)), Barto (#67 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850606&viewfull=1#post2053850606)), Wisdom (#185 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850726&viewfull=1#post2053850726))
Wisdom (3) - Visor (#147 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850686&viewfull=1#post2053850686)), Sleep (#229 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850770&viewfull=1#post2053850770)), Ender (#256 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850797&viewfull=1#post2053850797))
Barto (2) - Jan (#73 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850612&viewfull=1#post2053850612)), ladd (#175 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850716&viewfull=1#post2053850716))
Rask (2) - Taffy (#11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850548&viewfull=1#post2053850548)), Monty (#274 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850816&viewfull=1#post2053850816))
Jan (1) - Suibian (#9 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850546&viewfull=1#post2053850546))
Taffy (1) - Syn (#232 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850773&viewfull=1#post2053850773))
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Day 1 has ended.
Votal 1.7 - EoD1
Monty (4) - Rask (#38 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850576&viewfull=1#post2053850576)), Barto (#67 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850606&viewfull=1#post2053850606)), Wisdom (#185 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850726&viewfull=1#post2053850726)), Ender (#299 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850842&viewfull=1#post2053850842))
Barto (4) - Jan (#73 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850612&viewfull=1#post2053850612)), ladd (#175 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850716&viewfull=1#post2053850716)), Suibian (#277 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850819&viewfull=1#post2053850819)), Visor (#298 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850840&viewfull=1#post2053850840))
Wisdom (2) - Sleep (#229 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850770&viewfull=1#post2053850770)), Monty (#299 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850841&viewfull=1#post2053850841))
Rask (1) - Syn (#279 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850821&viewfull=1#post2053850821))
Syn (1) - Taffy (289 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850831&viewfull=1#post2053850831))
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El Barto has been yeeted. Flip incoming.
You can see that Wisdom went from having one vote to being top wagon before EOD shenanigans. IIRC before sleep and Ender voted them, several folks, including you/Visor had voiced the fact they had me as maybe villa and that the stuff on to Monty were not so hot (you posted something like that for sure). So maybe it's a stretch, but I can definatly see Wisdom being another villa wagon built up to help avoiding El Barto flip.
Gonna revisit this EOD with a town!Ender mindset to see if I can make sense of it.
ok im leaving for real now, probably not going to be at EOD tho if i'm lucky i might get back a few minutes before. prob should have considered my schedule before subbing in, sorry abt that.
wish i could be more help but think game is in a good place anyway, atm i'm kind of fine to go with the flow and let other people lead because i trust their instincts more than my own. unless someone wants me to sheep i'm just gonna not vote
unvote
man i am such a sucker lol
i wanna v read this post so bad
alrighty rask thx
Ender/cape as the team is kinda making ~everything make sense to me right now so I'll live in this world for a while. I just have 1 hung up
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I feel like this could be a scummy quote
You are the same person that predicted Visor would die in the night aren't you?
This sounds like a towny thought to say, but I am unsure if it means anything for Taffy just because I have seen wolves do stuff like this (though I don't recall the context of this post, this isn't something I have noticed from Taffy, but I also checked them last before just crashing into bed).
Again, I do think this post is towny
Do you have the same feelings about ladd now? I mean you literally did say that ladd used a generic reason to push you and also said that the last time this happened ladd was wolf but also i dont think u voted ladd for any of this so...
Eh.
Well I have looked far and wide but there isn't a read on Wisdom in your ISO, but what is your Wisdom read? I am curious
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I still think EnderWiggin is town after looking again though, thought he popped in today kinda towny too with the Mont sus with justifications... after the fact that they don't matter anymore
While reading cape iso before this wall struck me as kinda w/w looking with a villa read that didnt feel like it had a ton of meat behind it and every comment on a quote being matched with also a softball question
I disagree with this line of logic actually. I feel like Ender was townread enough day 1 to where as wolf, I have a feeling that he could end up in a position to where he feels comfy enough to save his mafia partner
like i could see that even though I am currently thinking that he's just town
and then this post kinda feels like a wolf who saw his teammate getting cleared for a reason he doesnt agree with so he explains why its a bad reason while still calling him town
Well I have looked far and wide but there isn't a read on Wisdom in your ISO, but what is your Wisdom read? I am curious
Forgot to respond to this. I kind've don't have one. Wisdom felt like they were doing something and I don't have the best track record and I didn't understand Visor's sus on me let alone Wisdom so I just sorta ignored it in favour of the person I thought was sus.
this also is something I generally find to be >rand w/w from experience. dont ask me why
also cape wall to ender had more questions for him but i think (could be wrong on that, cba to double check) ender only saw the last one cause he probably didnt read the full wall. You know who does not read posts carefully? wolves when they read the posts of other wolves eheh
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vote: ender
gonna leave this as a place holder in case i dont come back but most likley i'll be back in a couple of hours
to be clear I am not as convinced on this as it may seem, I am just having some fun
but I have the most reasons to think ender is a wolf out of anyone so I am gonna vote him. sorry if wrong
vote: ender
gonna leave this as a place holder in case i dont come back but most likley i'll be back in a couple of hours
to be clear I am not as convinced on this as it may seem, I am just having some fun
but I have the most reasons to think ender is a wolf out of anyone so I am gonna vote him. sorry if wrong
vote: ender
He says fun.
I say let's go!
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 22:23
Cape's iso is sure an ode to Ender's villagery. (in addition to what Ladd just brought) THere are some uncalled mention to him to stress that lol
for instance in post 351 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850904&viewfull=1#post2053850904).
(outrageous post btw, mostly filled with shades - yeah sorry, I didn't come back after friday afternoon and it's not AI lol, these questions would look differently otherwise. dare to say, if u think of it, it's one of the thing that makes me more likely villa than wolf, but Cape didn't think through it - or problems/questions that I have answered prior to this post. Finally, when I get back to one read I had early on Monty, it's also a reason to suddenly vote me lol)
EnderWiggin
claim or die at this point i guess bronana
Totally not Taffy
10-30-2023, 22:33
7 not that I'm ever going to hit postcap lol
is there a reason you felt the need to claim? not doubting it but just, like, why
Sorry for ignoring your post yesterday, the truth was that I knew that between coming off a delayed flight of horrors I'd be starting the mash D6 quasi solo on 2,5 hours of sleep, then have a bunch of rl engagements I couldn't get out of today and I just wouldn't get here until now if I didn't post when I did. So it was either that or waste 75% of town's day while risking getting maj'd simply for not being here. Remember I ended D1 being called a wolf by three people for unvoting Raskolnikov and then starting today with Syn clearly out for my blood.
taffy prob docced me or visor. i hope its visor so i dont have to tinfoil him
:curtain:
Why would I ever doc Visor I'd have to townread him first and afair that hasn't ever happened. Ngl I've been debating lying about it and just saying it was you bc I docced the person who I believed was the other PR and now with Syn I'm not so sure anymore I want to give them the towncred. Or help the wolves find them. Like if you already think Monty was not an obvious wolf target...
I really don't think your "Monty is claiming PR" is as obvious and believable as you think it is. neither your "I was claiming" and "Monty was claiming" look to be anything remotely comprehensible to me
you might have seen him as claiming, but that seems to be a uniquely taffy affair
I got it, Raskolnikov got it, Visor got it, and that's just the people who hinted at it in thread. Assuming that at least one wolf also got it is not so far out there, and personally I think you're denying it so hard and so loudly it sounds like "I could never be a wolf shooting Monty, honest!".
But I'll trust Ladd's reads over mine here.
Totally not Taffy
10-30-2023, 22:35
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basically ender committing to saving barto at eod doesn't make a lot of sense
for one, if it fails it just kills him the next day (and people were village reading him)
or at least makes it hard for him to survive the day (and if he succeeds, low odds of barto livign the game and if he dies, ender always dies)
basically his end goal if voting to save barto is to give him one more day - but it also relies upon barto being able to talk his way out of dying
just feel like the safe option is to bus your partner there and think ender would know that
comes across as a move devoid of ulterior motives, basically
This post contradicts itself. Ender did vote in a way that could have saved Barto, and here we are with you calling it twtbaw, which is exactly the defense I've seen him use himself for doing exactly this as a wolf. And you know him longer and better than I do. You should not be townreading him for this.
yeah but then he left it up to the last minute to make it look as bad as possible
like if he is planning to vote monty anyway, he votes and keeps the vote on monty earlier
he looks terrible now because right at the last second he 'voted to save a wolf', but if he voted earlier and kept it there, we wouldn't be having this conversation (i.e. because he wasn't thinking ahead of time in terms of wagon construction, he showed up, yoloed around and madethe worst possible vote, as a wolf he at least votes monty earlier so it doesnt stick out like a sore thumb when he does it imo)
Yeah, dude, you need to give up on this read because it's bad. Ender 100% does this as a wolf, and exactly for this reason. Read him off of other things.
Also you never answered my question: why were you ok with Monty and Raskolnikov being in a four-way tie right after asking everybody not to kill them? That is really still bothering me.
Visor ping me if you do reply
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 22:35
Cape's progression on me is unreal tbh. It feels like he doesn't give a damn about my slot. (it's not like he asked me anything, nor have read the replies I gave to people asking the same stuff that he did apparently)
He goes from shades to posting "???" to "die potato" lol
I am really laughing out loud rn.
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 22:36
I live for Ender's claim tbh.
Totally not Taffy
10-30-2023, 22:37
I live for Ender's claim tbh.
Wait what did I miss why would Ender be claiming?
Why would I ever doc Visor I'd have to townread him first and afair that hasn't ever happened. Ngl I've been debating lying about it and just saying it was you bc I docced the person who I believed was the other PR and now with Syn I'm not so sure anymore I want to give them the towncred. Or help the wolves find them. Like if you already think Monty was not an obvious wolf target...
You are gonna die tonight so we need this info out in the open, especially since the wolves most likely already know assuming they shot your target
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EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 22:42
EnderWiggin
So you basically came in at EOD with a case on Monty and saying that your other SR was Jan. post 207 (ttps://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850748&viewfull=1#post2053850748)
Then Visor comes in asking for you or Wisdom, gives a couple of arguments. You choose to follow up on his joke and vote Wisdom. You stayed there for a while and wagons grew to 4-way tie.
It's not so much that your Wisdom vote is a joke Ender, it's that you appeared to not give a shit to where your vote were going.
Ofc the last minute switch on a villa while El Barto was flipping red shows that most likely all other wagons were town (I am, Monty was and I'd say Wisdom has chance to be given wagonomics) and builds up your scum equity friendo :p
I mean, wagons were pretty stables during the day. (Monty, me)
I have never voted outside my main scumread to maintain a tie.
Never. (/s)
Vote: Rask
Sorry but this just reads off given you both know and have HELPED me make tie situations at EOD when I've voted not my main scumread until the last minute.
Why would I ever doc Visor I'd have to townread him first and afair that hasn't ever happened. Ngl I've been debating lying about it and just saying it was you bc I docced the person who I believed was the other PR and now with Syn I'm not so sure anymore I want to give them the towncred. Or help the wolves find them. Like if you already think Monty was not an obvious wolf target...
not revealing is extremely anti-town
why would you ever claim if you're not going to reveal your doc target
I got it, Raskolnikov got it, Visor got it, and that's just the people who hinted at it in thread. Assuming that at least one wolf also got it is not so far out there, and personally I think you're denying it so hard and so loudly it sounds like "I could never be a wolf shooting Monty, honest!".
But I'll trust Ladd's reads over mine here.
they didn't get it
yes you're right I'm a wolf. you caught me. ooooo. I claimed vig when it wasn't necessary (people already told you they had no intent on listening to you deciding the wagons; I claimed specifically to save your [and possibly Cape's] time and effort) and guaranteed my death before LYLO for a five-layered genius wolf master plan
Totally not Taffy
10-30-2023, 22:44
EnderWiggin
claim or die at this point i guess bronana
Ohhh I get it.
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 22:44
EnderWiggin
claim or die at this point i guess bronana
I haven't caught up but I'm all in on believing Visor at this point.
I am Vest Giver - I gave Visor a vest N1. (Hence my "I'm invested in Visor" daystart post. Which I believe he picked up on hence his weird read of me.)
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 22:44
EnderWiggin
claim or die at this point i guess bronana
taffy I am memeing about this post. (because I think Ender is a wolf and will come in with a lol claim at EOD)
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 22:45
Which given I assume ~3 PRs for this kind of setup means we've successfully all claimed D2.
Semi-bucket strats I guess?
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 22:45
lmao sock xpost.
I luv u Ender
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 22:46
ok so Visor, do you confirm?
Rest of the class, do you think VIsor/Ender ww is NOT possible? why?
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 22:47
Also I wanted to shade Syn to maybe keep them around but there are reasons that their claim fits very well with mine so I do actually 100% believe them.
Oh i thought visor tracked ender nowhere lmao
Would the vest work if wolves tried to kill visor the same night?
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Totally not Taffy
10-30-2023, 22:47
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One wolf in Visor/Ender.
Is that a difference check? Because if I ignore Syn I can easily see that as the team. I don't want to, but I can.
i really hate the bolded part here lol
Especially because of that. Never a good sign when ppl try to downplay their own wolfgame. Also they're both townreading eachother for bad reasons.
this post makes me consider a rask/ladd world tbh
This world scares me but I don't really believe in it.
vote: Sleep
we need more information
Lolno we're not giving the wolves a free yeet.
[anythign from sleep or wisdom would be gr8 thx
Ohhh I forgot Gira is Sleep here. Sorry Syn.
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/YQBhLuHW26TIH8vThmu9fQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTUzOTtjZj13ZWJw/https://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/news.mashable/d7fee25102fdb0d4734cd87e766cc33b
Well yes but I also kinda still want your head on a pike. You understand.
....
What.
I was voting Wisdom as a joke.
I thought that was obvious. My whole "Top ten anime betrayals" joke was because I thought it was literally so obvious that I was gonna swap back last minute. (I originally voted because of a Visor post and I was feeling funny, and stayed on it because it was a tied vote and I like tied votes because people flinching at tied votes can be useful down the line once we have a few flips.)
Vote: Rask
Given how much you've seen me meme around and in fact called me out on it once when you said everyone knew I was going to go back to voting my prime sus at very eod, I really feel like this read is opportunistic given the sus on me.
On the one hand, yes voting Wisdom was a joke, but on the other hand that's also a great way for a wolf to wait and see how the wagons evolve and then make a last-minute switch without attracting attention.
ok so Visor, do you confirm?
Rest of the class, do you think VIsor/Ender ww is NOT possible? why?
Cause of d1 lol they are def not w/w
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EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 22:48
Oh i thought visor tracked ender nowhere lmao
Would the vest work if wolves tried to kill visor the same night?
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I...
Assume so?
Lemme confirm.
if i can pick up on a soft, so can yall
yall suck :P
Oh i thought visor tracked ender nowhere lmao
Would the vest work if wolves tried to kill visor the same night?
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yes cause that is why i am alive lol
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 22:49
On the one hand, yes voting Wisdom was a joke, but on the other hand that's also a great way for a wolf to wait and see how the wagons evolve and then make a last-minute switch without attracting attention.
Yes.
Everything I can do as town I can do as wolf.
But acting like I don't intentionally create ties and make waiting votes as town is just... not true.
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 22:50
yes cause that is why i am alive lol
Wait actually? Lmao.
I'm a god.
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 22:51
Which given I assume ~3 PRs for this kind of setup means we've successfully all claimed D2.
Semi-bucket strats I guess?
taffy: did u doc Ender?
anyway now with that third claim u gotta help us by telling us who is cleared pls
vote: wisdom
Alrighty then thats great
If wolves tried to nk you and your wolf reads were wisdom/ender, wisdom is prob a wolf i guess
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 22:53
Like what? At least tell us what so it doesn't look like shades.
Tbh, I think most of you are going with a volume tell or something, and since I haven't been able to sit the thread for a while, people are scumreading me because I feel different smh.
idgs to be yeeted, but it would make for a nice change if we can avoid a loose after chopping a scum D1 (which I am really tired of tbh)
Shade isn't me saying "I think this person I'm voting is wolfy because them saying 'waste a valuable day' feels like they're caring too much about if they specifically go over."
That's effectively an accusation coached in softer language.
vote: wisdom
Alrighty then thats great
If wolves tried to nk you and your wolf reads were wisdom/ender, wisdom is prob a wolf i guess
id hope wisdom is a wolf
otherwise i think we are looking at prob bussing
i would look harder at jan i think, i can totally believe jan bussing barto (and you ofc :curtain:) and think play today from him has been a touch stagnant (which is fine, but just noting)
Which given I assume ~3 PRs for this kind of setup means we've successfully all claimed D2.
Semi-bucket strats I guess?
3 prs is basically max tbh
id hope wisdom is a wolf
otherwise i think we are looking at prob bussing
i would look harder at jan i think, i can totally believe jan bussing barto (and you ofc :curtain:) and think play today from him has been a touch stagnant (which is fine, but just noting)
Brah i am so villagery lol
I think jan had some posts he doesnt make as a wolf but noted
How do you feel about rask?
if i can pick up on a soft, so can yall
yall suck :P
you have the knowledge of being vested that none of us had. silly goose.
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 22:57
Shade isn't me saying "I think this person I'm voting is wolfy because them saying 'waste a valuable day' feels like they're caring too much about if they specifically go over."
That's effectively an accusation coached in softer language.
nah it's just at time there weren't much discussion but "y Raskol wolfy". But I may be getting paranoid.
I need time to think about all this. That's Visor, you, Taffy, Syn cleared if we take the claims at face value. Good, need 2 more villagers.
Brah i am so villagery lol
I think jan had some posts he doesnt make as a wolf but noted
How do you feel about rask?
posts are still not as... carefree as i would like, not feeling like a tonal lock like he normally does to me when we are v/v
but i could be wrong for various reasons, don't think he has posted badly
(and not sure about his posts on cape - should reread)
as an aside on sleep - kinda think posting basically saying welp not playing today is kinda... too open to be wolfy? but also possible that he is just saying whatever and getting away with it cause no heat in that direction lol
id hope wisdom is a wolf
otherwise i think we are looking at prob bussing
i would look harder at jan i think, i can totally believe jan bussing barto (and you ofc :curtain:) and think play today from him has been a touch stagnant (which is fine, but just noting)
this game just has the weirdest pacing.
kind of waiting for people to do some proper work and be readable but the first half of the day the whole poe was silent.
*shrug*
basically i feel like rask has been more clinical rather than mischievous
this game just has the weirdest pacing.
kind of waiting for people to do some proper work and be readable but the first half of the day the whole poe was silent.
*shrug*
thats a fair point, true
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 23:00
i dont get how you can make this statement when d1 i basically said part of what you said about monty before you and iirc we had similarish reads
and now of all statements to agree with...its wanting more out of rask/wisdom which is something so generic
and now you apparentely think i am a wolf - why? because i am pushing you and i pushed you another game before when I was a villager? idk man that doesnt make much sense to me, am i not allowed to push you anymore cause 1 game i was a wolf in i pushe dyou lol
i think i have explained fairly well why i think you are a wolf this game (it doesnt take a lot of imagination to think of a world where you are a wolf) but just in case i'll re explain it:
you voted monty in what was basicall RVS on pg.1 for (imo) a silly reason, then you turned that into a real (and your only) push towards EoD by quoting basically every post in monty iso and calling it wolfy
then you made this post to monty:
which to me really reads like the classic wolf trying to appease the villager they are pushing by asking some generic questions they don't care to have the answer to (which visor iirc called out, which is why i am even more confuse dby him backing off today)
then from this point on, you have 0 interactions, re valaution or pondering/doubt on monty alignment until you snipe him at the end of EoD:
hope this helps
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1. Monty never responded to me.
2. I often ask people I'm sussing questions to try and get their take. Because even if I never re-evaluate their thoughts can still be useful post death if they flip town. Yes I do this as wolf too.
3. D1 vote was a silly reason. It then turned into a real reason.
4. I think you're wolf because your reads change feels opportunistic (This was said D1 but you apparently didn't read my posts all that well.)
You had me as townread but then the moment someone questions my read on Monty and starts to poke there suddenly I slip out. The way your reads overall have shifted has followed consensus much more than I'd expect from you. I felt this way when you were wolf and pressured me. I also felt this way this game.
Is there possibly a by-product where you sus me and I think back to that game? Maybe. I should probably review this. But I often don't associate you with "following consensus" nearly as much as you are doing this game.
There was something else that I was sussing you for this day phase but I've literally been sussing you ~half the game. So idk why you're acting like this is out of no-where.
(I will concede I did have some of the same thoughts as you d1 and the "first post I agree with" was exaggerated. But you were posting a lot of takes I was like "why tho" and then you finally posted one where I just nodded.)
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 23:01
my posts are awesome btw Visor, Cape's are outrageous though. beware :curtain:
Where we at in the game so far?
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 23:02
nah it's just at time there weren't much discussion but "y Raskol wolfy". But I may be getting paranoid.
I need time to think about all this. That's Visor, you, Taffy, Syn cleared if we take the claims at face value. Good, need 2 more villagers.
If I'm honest, I don't *entirely* trust Visor's "It saved me" and would like to know who Taffy docced.
But yeah otherwise
Totally not Taffy
10-30-2023, 23:02
12 I think, my counts were off with the Ender claim stuff.
Yes.
Everything I can do as town I can do as wolf.
But acting like I don't intentionally create ties and make waiting votes as town is just... not true.
Oh yes, it wasn't a great reason for Cape to wolfread you, but it's not a reason to townread you either. And Visor's reasoning for clearing you was equally bad.
But I guess if he did actually get your vest then he was scrambling to find something.
Oh this sucks I'm going to need to remove all the "no don't listen to Visor this is a bad reason to townread Ender I've totally seen him do this as a wolf" bits from my catchups.
my posts are awesome btw Visor, Cape's are outrageous though. beware :curtain:
I'll be the judge of that when I catch up :curtain:
Have you not played with me enough to realize my posts are always outrageous?
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 23:04
this game just has the weirdest pacing.
kind of waiting for people to do some proper work and be readable but the first half of the day the whole poe was silent.
*shrug*
Rask/Myself were not silent at all? Who was your "silent POE"?
Totally not Taffy
10-30-2023, 23:04
taffy: did u doc Ender?
anyway now with that third claim u gotta help us by telling us who is cleared pls
I docced you. But Visor was a much more likely NK.
I...
Assume so?
Lemme confirm.
I was about to ask the same. normally vests last until used but are only active the night after.
It ties visor and yourself at the hip either way which is fine.
Is there possibly a by-product where you sus me and I think back to that game? Maybe. I should probably review this. But I often don't associate you with "following consensus" nearly as much as you are doing this game
Wont address the rest cause its pointless now that you are p much confirmed but my reads this game havent really been consensus?
Idk why you have that idea, i have obviously been exploring p much everything today and d1 there was no consensus afaict but idr syn nor taffy being particularly villaread (or rask for that matter)
45(i think)
Not yet!
So far I've read his posts and thought "Yep this is Cape"
Kinda towny take on me ngl LOL
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 23:07
Wont address the rest cause its pointless now that you are p much confirmed but my reads this game havent really been consensus?
Idk why you have that idea, i have obviously been exploring p much everything today and d1 there was no consensus afaict but idr syn nor taffy being particularly villaread (or rask for that matter)
45(i think)
I don't have time for a reread but I'll try to explain when I have some time.
Also will check to make sure I haven't just... confbiased myself into something.
VOTE: EnderWiggin
does this mean that Rask was the n1 kill because of Syn's claim if we were to take it at face value???
ugh i really dont like the EnderWiggin vote but whatever
I docced you. But Visor was a much more likely NK.
lmao RASKOL????????
VOTE: EnderWiggin
does this mean that Rask was the n1 kill because of Syn's claim if we were to take it at face value???
Wolfy post m'lord
ugh i really dont like the EnderWiggin vote but whatever
Jesus this is such a wolfy post lol
Rask/Myself were not silent at all? Who was your "silent POE"?
Sleep left to take break early and was gone for most of the day.
Wisdom took a while to do anything and I didn't get a strong read on it.
Mostly a lot of *shrug* otherwise.
ugh i really dont like the EnderWiggin vote but whatever
How to tank equity 101
Take notes kids
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 23:10
I docced you. But Visor was a much more likely NK.
Hmm sadge, I can't claim mech clear because of Visor and Ender.
Tx btw (I do have games where I can be considered for the N1, but not this one lolol ;) )
posted well, think he is fairly likely to be a villager tho it is easier to post as a wolf subbing in (esp if he was reading along)
but his thoughts flow well, his jumping around and re evaluation all seemed believable to me, he had some stuff that showed me the wheels in his brain are turning (to use a Voxxism) and he has good tone to top it off
i'm not expecting to be read well by everyone just because im cape though :p
Though this read does match up with the read u had on me in mash.
Not like you weren't firmly in my townpile for being easily the towniest poster today (which is why i sheeped u)
How to tank equity 101
Take notes kids
it was a sheep vote
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 23:12
Everybody’s town!
I wish I were joking but I keep thinking I suspect someone they post and I go hrm never mind they might be town. I don’t have any strong scum reads so I need to revisit. I’m writing someone off as town that I shouldn’t be, so I need to review my blind spots. It sucks when this happens but things haven’t clicked into place yet.
I keep seeing this from Sui and while I'll admit I don't know them and this could be a meta thing...
I just can't get over how much I feel like this feels like a wolf making excuses. "I don't scumread anyone!" is a line I've seen a lot to avoid stepping on toes.
And it's okay on D1 if it does happen. Tbh I have straight had D1s where I don't feel like anyone has come out as scum to me. But to be this far into D2 with contentious back and forths and not having any solid scumreads feels like appeasement play.
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 23:13
VOTE: EnderWiggin
does this mean that Rask was the n1 kill because of Syn's claim if we were to take it at face value???
Have you read thread at all?
What post/set inspired this vote?
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 23:14
I get the impression Cape was catching up but having that vote that's so clearly out of sync with everything feels...
Yeah nah.
tbh both of you are saying this but I am being in everyone's POE for raisins and it's cetainly hurting my joie de vivre smh.
Like Cape is being the real potatoe conf-biaising himself into locking me for surface level micro reads. Ladd just copypasted my point of view then go on to vote me like the slimmy sloab he is. You are constantly posting I am a wolf since game start for no sensible reasons either.
Your reason to clear Ender is dumb af and both of you are spearheading a chop on a villager and loosing us a valuable day lol.
The fact Wisdom reversed their read on me without expressed reason and are voting happily with you should just spew me town (look this wagon lmao) and make it clear it's just Wisdom/Ender most of the time.
su l8r.
edit: Ender, will reread EOD1 l8r to see if I actually missed the context to your Wisdom vote, maybe I just did since I scroll back from last tally
it's really that I am struggling to find other people that I would suspect honestly right now since i thought Wisdom's recentish posts up to this point were solid and the other people I kinda suspectedish (Taffy more then Syn) are PR
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 23:15
I docced you. But Visor was a much more likely NK.
Can I ask you why?
Rask was not on my list of expected NKs on N1 at all.
VOTE: Sleep
Yeah Ender is town
OKay next
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 23:16
I keep seeing this from Sui and while I'll admit I don't know them and this could be a meta thing...
I just can't get over how much I feel like this feels like a wolf making excuses. "I don't scumread anyone!" is a line I've seen a lot to avoid stepping on toes.
And it's okay on D1 if it does happen. Tbh I have straight had D1s where I don't feel like anyone has come out as scum to me. But to be this far into D2 with contentious back and forths and not having any solid scumreads feels like appeasement play.
Pretty much the same than sleep not voting.
I still prefer sleep though because of his last post lol ("ok I will be blunt, I don't know, I won't vote because u prolly know best")
I keep seeing this from Sui and while I'll admit I don't know them and this could be a meta thing...
I just can't get over how much I feel like this feels like a wolf making excuses. "I don't scumread anyone!" is a line I've seen a lot to avoid stepping on toes.
And it's okay on D1 if it does happen. Tbh I have straight had D1s where I don't feel like anyone has come out as scum to me. But to be this far into D2 with contentious back and forths and not having any solid scumreads feels like appeasement play.
Ya idk something tells me sui is a more likely busser than jan (or visor ldo)
Jan still had a couple of posts that i feel are ~clearing
This game confuses me tho. And with this i am going to sleep
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 23:17
Pretty much the same than sleep not voting.
I still prefer sleep though because of his last post lol ("ok I will be blunt, I don't know, I won't vote because u prolly know best")
Funnily enough was just reading Sleep's "Fuckit I'm out" and was not feeling great about it lmao.
I'm ngl I saw the Suibian posts and was like "That's an awful lot of words to say 'I don't scumread anyone'."
If you have read my posts it's for similar reasons I have been townreading your posts
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 23:18
Can I ask you why?
:stare:
Everybody’s town!
I wish I were joking but I keep thinking I suspect someone they post and I go hrm never mind they might be town. I don’t have any strong scum reads so I need to revisit. I’m writing someone off as town that I shouldn’t be, so I need to review my blind spots. It sucks when this happens but things haven’t clicked into place yet.
you haven't actually given a proper read on me, the only thing you have done is responded to like 1 post i made on you
by this i am assuming you read me as town?
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 23:20
Ender/cape as the team is kinda making ~everything make sense to me right now so I'll live in this world for a while. I just have 1 hung up
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I just wanna say this line is hilarious with what just happened.
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 23:21
Funnily enough was just reading Sleep's "Fuckit I'm out" and was not feeling great about it lmao.
yeah I had the same reaction to it at first read. But then Ladd posted it was villagery and I actually agree. Like a lot of wolves would second guess themselves before posting that. Not sure about Gira's range, but I still expect most to fakesolve, or just post word salads till our eyes bleed, rather than go with this brillant "Fuckit I'm out" lol. Ofc possible, but not all that likely.
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 23:22
Also idk if I'm kneejerking but...
God Cape's posts are making me feel like he's trying to course-correct so hard rn.
I just wanna say this line is hilarious with what just happened.
The hung up was exactly this btw lol
I knew visor had some mech info in you i just didnt know what. I assumed it could be tracker so i went ahead
this is a wolf post
now that you say it, it really reads that way
like i could see the world where mafia shot mont with you so taffy's heal wouldn't have mattered I guess
EnderWiggin
10-30-2023, 23:24
Also somehow having a few back-n-forths with Rask is making me feel better about him which idk how to feel about.
but that feels antitown to entertain
just going to post my thoughts as bullet points rather than addressing individual points
- cape's entry is fine, i was initially weirded out by him immediately re-reading people but it became aparent he was just throwing isos on everyone, kind of felt like busywork at first but decided i was okay with it as it went on and seemed more like him trying to orient himself within the game rather than hunting for positioning
- i don't think taffy makes a claim like that as mafia, syn is bizarre but also dont think mafia is likely to fakeclaim vig
- don't think lack of investment is a good reason to clear wisdom as syn suggests
- not sure visor's reasoning in #400 is great, i have seen scum go all in on trying to save a partner day 1 in the hope the risky play works, and if he hadn't voted monty there his progression would have been suspect. this is especially true if the other partner is potentially not around to do much - losing a teammate there might put him in the hole irrevocably. as it is it feels like the POE is pretty narrow to me and i have less reason to claer ender than other people
- rask's re-entry doesn't really do anything for me
- ender's page 15 doesn't really feel that scummy to me, idk. it does feel kind of like there's some town entitlement to how he was reacting to pressure
it just felt like something I had to do since I literally made my initial notes at like 2am and lazily
now that you say it, it really reads that way
like i could see the world where mafia shot mont with you so taffy's heal wouldn't have mattered I guess
seems infinitely more likely wolves shot visor in this scenario
seems infinitely more likely wolves shot visor in this scenario
If Visor got a vest he would know if it popped, right?
that is normally the feedback you get.
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 23:31
now that you say it, it really reads that way
like i could see the world where mafia shot mont with you so taffy's heal wouldn't have mattered I guess
Vote: Cape90
(I am sick of unexplained wolfys, and beside, there are no world where wolves shot Monty. I mean Taffy can doc me because she is on her own, but there is no pack made of 2 men that shoot Monty yesterday lol)
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 23:31
Also somehow having a few back-n-forths with Rask is making me feel better about him which idk how to feel about.
Tinfoil on your back Ender!
My 2 cents are that rask is prob just villa after all
Visor alresdy claimed that his vest got popped btw so wolves shot him
50 (i think)
Adieu
Totally not Taffy
10-30-2023, 23:38
Oh, and Rask/ladd is also not w/w so nvm that possibility.
Why can't they be w/w?
i swear my name has been thrown around by everyone as their favourite tinfoil but like...why? i have voted a wolf and have posting villagery wtf do you guis want lol
Have you considered a towny "let's tinfoil Ladd so wolves don't kill him" strategy?
To be clearer: is anyone reading this as a slip/TMI or should I just shrug it off and move on?
I'm with Ladd, it's not a slip, Wisdom isn't going to wolfread herself and Monty has flipped. She was just not considering you because you weren't part of the three-way tie she was talking about in that specific post.
this was my angleshoot-y wisdom town read btw
I thought it was the mash she just endgamed in.
Ok this is the end of catchup posts I think. Which is good because I'm about ready to keel over.
Cape's iso is sure an ode to Ender's villagery. (in addition to what Ladd just brought) THere are some uncalled mention to him to stress that lol
for instance in post 351 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850904&viewfull=1#post2053850904).
(outrageous post btw, mostly filled with shades - yeah sorry, I didn't come back after friday afternoon and it's not AI lol, these questions would look differently otherwise. dare to say, if u think of it, it's one of the thing that makes me more likely villa than wolf, but Cape didn't think through it - or problems/questions that I have answered prior to this post. Finally, when I get back to one read I had early on Monty, it's also a reason to suddenly vote me lol)
Yes you responded to the Jan post sure, in #95 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850634&viewfull=1#post2053850634) in fact, but I didn't take issue with what Jan was taking issue with. It was just the wording of everything, which has been an issue with you all game.
Like look at your own post here for example, not only do you automatically assume that I am treating your slot in bad faith (and are legitimately just doing the same thing back to my slot as if that's sooooo towny), but you are also being very insistent on how you look like town actually off of my own post. Like yeah I guess the post wasn't great, but this take is legitimately baffling to me.
Vote: Raskolnikov
Eh why not, I could see the tryhard accusations coming off of #35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia/page2?p=2053850573#post2053850573) I guess. It was an argument I have seen regarding w!Rask
Kinda expecting wolves this game to just kinda feel defeated for some reason just after day 1 tbh
Eh why not is also automatically calling someone lock scum
take notes kids :curtain:
My 2 cents are that rask is prob just villa after all
Visor alresdy claimed that his vest got popped btw so wolves shot him
50 (i think)
Adieu
that is what I read, yeah.
and it makes sense to shoot somebody on the wolfwagon anyway.
I keep seeing this from Sui and while I'll admit I don't know them and this could be a meta thing...
I just can't get over how much I feel like this feels like a wolf making excuses. "I don't scumread anyone!" is a line I've seen a lot to avoid stepping on toes.
And it's okay on D1 if it does happen. Tbh I have straight had D1s where I don't feel like anyone has come out as scum to me. But to be this far into D2 with contentious back and forths and not having any solid scumreads feels like appeasement play.
I'm not going to fake reads I don't have. Does this happen all the time? Nope. I've had day ones where my reads are excellent and games where I've been so paranoid of everyone, I think they all can be scum. And games like this where I'm kinda floundering at the kids table. Sometimes I get my shit together by day three, sometimes I don't. I do follow that up with a few people who I want to look at. :shrug:
If the contentious part you think I should have an opinion on is past page 15, I haven't read it yet. I'm just getting home from work and checked this page to see how far I had to go to catch up. If it's before that, you can tell me what you think I missed if you want. I can't promise my reads are going to get better; I hope they do, but.
(Bye the bye, while I haven't rolled scum in 6 years and I say my scum game sucks, I do know how to fake reads and at least know not to say things that are going to bring me insta-heat from people who don't know me. I'm town, so you get unfettered me. But that's really neither here nor there.)
Cape - I have you as neutral. You're my plan to read after I revisit the other four that I wanted to.
While reading cape iso before this wall struck me as kinda w/w looking with a villa read that didnt feel like it had a ton of meat behind it and every comment on a quote being matched with also a softball question
and then this post kinda feels like a wolf who saw his teammate getting cleared for a reason he doesnt agree with so he explains why its a bad reason while still calling him town
this also is something I generally find to be >rand w/w from experience. dont ask me why
also cape wall to ender had more questions for him but i think (could be wrong on that, cba to double check) ender only saw the last one cause he probably didnt read the full wall. You know who does not read posts carefully? wolves when they read the posts of other wolves eheh
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I really do not have a response to this because it relies on you preflipping me and EnderWiggin for the most part
Also I will say I laid out 2 questions for EnderWiggin and he responded to both the questions in the post so, stupid point and you should feel bad :)
Cape's progression on me is unreal tbh. It feels like he doesn't give a damn about my slot. (it's not like he asked me anything, nor have read the replies I gave to people asking the same stuff that he did apparently)
He goes from shades to posting "???" to "die potato" lol
I am really laughing out loud rn.
I mean there's literally nothing to really talk about when my read is honestly all semantics and nothing to do with what you are actually saying my guy
did I see right that Visor is bp who go shot last night?
iwillnotoutguessthemodiwillnotoutguessthemodiwillnotoutguessthemod
vote: wisdom
Alrighty then thats great
If wolves tried to nk you and your wolf reads were wisdom/ender, wisdom is prob a wolf i guess
so do you not believe the post you just made about me or not?
Raskolnikov
10-30-2023, 23:56
Yes you responded to the Jan post sure, in #95 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850634&viewfull=1#post2053850634) in fact, but I didn't take issue with what Jan was taking issue with. It was just the wording of everything, which has been an issue with you all game.
Like look at your own post here for example, not only do you automatically assume that I am treating your slot in bad faith (and are legitimately just doing the same thing back to my slot as if that's sooooo towny), but you are also being very insistent on how you look like town actually off of my own post. Like yeah I guess the post wasn't great, but this take is legitimately baffling to me.
Nah it's not that.
I don't do these questions for jinx. I do them to get words, shake things, get reads eventually (and sometimes mock Visor). That's the process at least.
Of course, Wifom, etc... but really these questions left in the air more lilely come from someone who couldn't get back to the thread rather than a wolf etc. That's what I meant.
Also, I don't automatically assume lol. It still isn't clear for me that you are reading me in good faith. I mean you posted "die potatoe" when we have had exactly 0 chat friendo :D
did I see right that Visor is bp who go shot last night?
iwillnotoutguessthemodiwillnotoutguessthemodiwillnotoutguessthemod
visor said that his life got saved earlier so that implies a pop vest I think.
In my head it doesn't make sense either but I will go along and assume different communities make for different mechanics.
(plus self resolving so who cares)
Raskolnikov
10-31-2023, 00:00
I mean there's literally nothing to really talk about when my read is honestly all semantics and nothing to do with what you are actually saying my guy
lmao. obamawelp.gif
My big question is just who is afraid of visor?
Like honestly?
Homefield advantage is okay, but outside of following the capable players on a wolf lunch (while moaning about it) he legit did nothing d1.
And we can talk about the potential of a washed-up old man all day, but honestly ...
Who is afraid of visor?
Raskolnikov
10-31-2023, 00:04
My big question is just who is afraid of visor?
Like honestly?
Homefield advantage is okay, but outside of following the capable players on a wolf lunch (while moaning about it) he legit did nothing d1.
And we can talk about the potential of a washed-up old man all day, but honestly ...
Who is afraid of visor?
https://media.tenor.com/ITWoLRn5ek0AAAAC/jason-momoa-chair.gif
If you don't have a strong pr read you likely kill someone who you are afraid will fuck you up if you don't get rid of him.
If I was a wolf I would feel the need to get rid of Ladd by d3 because he likely will turn on me by then because that is what he does.
I can fool him for a day, maybe 2. But by d3 Ladd will have pushed me out of his poe because he feels more certain about every other person.
Is anybody here afraid of visor?
Raskolnikov
10-31-2023, 00:07
I am glad I signed up just to read the last post. Thank you Jan. (will go in due place in the correct copypasta thread of the correct site lol)
I am glad I signed up just to read the last post. Thank you Jan. (will go in due place in the correct copypasta thread of the correct site lol)
I am mostly having fun, but he truthfully wasn't impactful d1 so killing him likely comes down to meta more than anything.
I mean, fair, I've just been in a slump since Champs and trying to find a way to play where I can both have fun, make good reads and feel respected for the time I put into playing. I'd rather disappoint than burn out and getting no cred for it. I can't even be here for EoD's, where most people are online, so even if I do big things right now people will forget about it by the time it matters.
Not game relevant, but champs is draining; I mostly retired after my year.
Raskolnikov
10-31-2023, 00:12
I am mostly having fun, but he truthfully wasn't impactful d1 so killing him likely comes down to meta more than anything.
hehe y. (pls we don't know each other, but my laughs are never mean, I am just enjoying myself and your work rn).
seriously: I don't think you will advance the solve/gamestate much with "who shot Visor here?" because the answer is "about everyone could have but people who don't know him"
Votal 2.4
Rask (2) - Syn (#529 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851090&viewfull=1#post2053851090)), Ender (#554 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851115&viewfull=1#post2053851115))
Ender (2) - Wisdom (#507 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851068&viewfull=1#post2053851068)), Jan (#544 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851105&viewfull=1#post2053851105))
Wisdom (2) - Visor (#490 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851051&viewfull=1#post2053851051)), ladd (#572 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851133&viewfull=1#post2053851133))
Sleep (1) - Cape (#610 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851171&viewfull=1#post2053851171)
Cape (1) - Rask (#627 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851188&viewfull=1#post2053851188))
https://media.tenor.com/q5eXETpE_KYAAAAM/i%27m-looking-at-you-matty-matheson.gif
eod2
Hey I may be washed up and old...
What was the third thing you said?
Raskolnikov
10-31-2023, 00:16
Hey I may be washed up and old...
What was the third thing you said?
soft and limp
I am mostly having fun, but he truthfully wasn't impactful d1 so killing him likely comes down to meta more than anything.
The people most in danger from him reads wise at the end of the day were ender/wisdom, but I'm not sure how serious to take that if he's someone who gets fear killed (fears kills are dumb, but they happen). In a fear kill world, I guess it's anybody's guess.
Vote: Wisdom
Random voting block worked out yday.
soft and limp
Now now ... I only heavily implied those.
I would never question the potency of Visors reads.
Nah it's not that.
I don't do these questions for jinx. I do them to get words, shake things, get reads eventually (and sometimes mock Visor). That's the process at least.
Of course, Wifom, etc... but really these questions left in the air more lilely come from someone who couldn't get back to the thread rather than a wolf etc. That's what I meant.
Also, I don't automatically assume lol. It still isn't clear for me that you are reading me in good faith. I mean you posted "die potatoe" when we have had exactly 0 chat friendo :D
i mean we haven't been in the thread at the same time this game and I prefer live interaction. But it is true that I have struggled articulating my read on you
Rask is posting like he has a newfound love of life after being outed as taffy's doc target
Vote: Wisdom
Random voting block worked out yday.
What made you change your mind on wisdom? (Though if you already talk about it, ignore me I'll get to it.)
Earlier I thought I was going to be pragmatic and vote Rask since so many people seem to suspect him, and he was someone I wanted to revisit anyway, but idk I just am not scum reading him. I don't think he's the one in my blindspot.
Raskolnikov
10-31-2023, 00:25
Rask is posting like he has a newfound love of life after being outed as taffy's doc target
I literally said it meant nothing (outside outing Taffy's crush :p ) so why are you trying to paint me like this?
What you are witnessing is me diggesting my solve being trashed 3 hours before EOD and having no willingness to do more work.
(beside that post from Jan was the most hilarious thing I read in a while come on)
What made you change your mind on wisdom? (Though if you already talk about it, ignore me I'll get to it.)
The fact that nobody else agrees and I know that I tend to sit too long on weird d1 reads.
Plus honestly trying to reproduce the d1 wagon was just a silly fun extra.
What you are witnessing is me diggesting my solve being trashed 3 hours before EOD and having no willingness to do more work.
This is so true.
If the pr claims are true we likely just have a winning poe here.
If they are wrong we will only find out later in the game.
Either way, it is really hard to be motivated to go for a new solve right now.
You could wagon me right now I while I would mock you for being terrible I would not honestly care.
I literally said it meant nothing (outside outing Taffy's crush :p ) so why are you trying to paint me like this?
What you are witnessing is me diggesting my solve being trashed 3 hours before EOD and having no willingness to do more work.
(beside that post from Jan was the most hilarious thing I read in a while come on)
I could paint you like one of my french girls instead
One thing that pinged at eod yesterday that I've been sitting with to see how I feel about it was Ender's case on Monty right there at the end. The wagons that looked like they were going to go somewhere were rask, monty, and visor was trying to get people onto wisdom. It could not have been a case to try to steer the wagons away from barto I don't think because barto was sitting at two and there wasn't much indication that it would be brought to third.
So, in an ender!scum world it could have been to steer away from rask or wisdom.
It might be nothing and could just have been town ender seeing scum monty, but it's something I've been mulling over. I don't really see rask as scum though, and maybe it's because he keeps telling people they're wrong on thinking he's scum and that is a weakness of mine. Also, I like his tone in places as well.
I'm still not concerned with sleep. This is not a confident town read because there's not enough of what I think I can read from him. I'm not a perfect sleep reader though; I often end up with some paranoia regarding him, but so far he hasn't posted anything I'm concerned with. I think I can nail down this read better from seeing more thoughts.
Still at town on Jan and Ladd. These are probably my strongest town reads of the non claimers. I like the way that Ladd keeps going back and forth a bit on reads. I completely understand people not familiar with me being concerned over some things, but when he reviews me, it feels like his review isn't just superficial when I think it's really easy to push me for some aspects of my style that hit wolfy notes.
syn, visor, taffy - claims and I'm not worrying about that right now.
I don't want to vote for rask, I don't know I kinda get the feel that he feels wrongly picked on this game and that feels townie to me.
So who are the wolves to you then tammy
ok im leaving for real now, probably not going to be at EOD tho if i'm lucky i might get back a few minutes before. prob should have considered my schedule before subbing in, sorry abt that.
wish i could be more help but think game is in a good place anyway, atm i'm kind of fine to go with the flow and let other people lead because i trust their instincts more than my own. unless someone wants me to sheep i'm just gonna not vote
unvote
Kind of having a hard time seeing sleep!scum leaving the day without a vote somewhere.
I want nothing to do with a wisdom chop so I'm parking my vote on rask and calling it a day. peace out girl scouts
So who are the wolves to you then tammy
If my town reads are right, they'd have to be in cape/wisdom/ender.
Raskolnikov
10-31-2023, 00:54
This is so true.
If the pr claims are true we likely just have a winning poe here.
If they are wrong we will only find out later in the game.
Either way, it is really hard to be motivated to go for a new solve right now.
You could wagon me right now I while I would mock you for being terrible I would not honestly care.
Its certainly true you dont have interest in people looking into potential (hell) bussers :curtain:
*if my town reads are right and all the claimers are town then it's in ender/wisdom/cape.
If my town reads are right, they'd have to be in cape/wisdom/ender.
Ender gave me a vest, he would have to be a wolf armoursmith
Which would be spicy
Raskolnikov
10-31-2023, 00:56
I want nothing to do with a wisdom chop so I'm parking my vote on rask and calling it a day. peace out girl scouts
Go back in line please: iso Jan and tell me what you think
Ender gave me a vest, he would have to be a wolf armoursmith
Which would be spicy
iwillnotoutguessthemodiwillnotoutguessthemodiwillnotoutguessthemod
That's not impossible, but and Gemma has played in a game with a wolf vest giver before.
But probably not worth fretting about today.
26646
How I feel about the claims now.
Totally not Taffy
10-31-2023, 01:07
Votal 2.4
Rask (2) - Syn (#529 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851090&viewfull=1#post2053851090)), Ender (#554 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851115&viewfull=1#post2053851115))
Ender (2) - Wisdom (#507 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851068&viewfull=1#post2053851068)), Jan (#544 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851105&viewfull=1#post2053851105))
Wisdom (2) - Visor (#490 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851051&viewfull=1#post2053851051)), ladd (#572 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851133&viewfull=1#post2053851133))
Sleep (1) - Cape (#610 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851171&viewfull=1#post2053851171)
Cape (1) - Rask (#627 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851188&viewfull=1#post2053851188))
Vote: Cape
Cape needs more votes and Ender needs less and I don't think I'm going to make it till EoD.
Totally not Taffy
10-31-2023, 01:08
Vote: Cape
Cape needs more votes and Ender needs less and I don't think I'm going to make it till EoD.
ugh
Vote: Cape
I mean I can believe it, Tammy
But I think it should get clearer later in the game depending on kills and targets
Its certainly true you dont have interest in people looking into potential (hell) bussers :curtain:
Bussing is all about timing.
Knowing the heat is going on your partner and being the first to call it out one second before the first villager x-posts you.
I haven't really done that.
I just called out an entry post and parked my vote on it after.
Now weaksauce players are fine with taking the fourth spot on the wagon, but the true master is driving the train.
I can respect a conductor in the middle, I guess.
I docced you. But Visor was a much more likely NK.
I'm confused. You said you docc'd the other pr, so you thought rask was a pr but you argued that Monty was a pr that we should have picked up on. Did you think they both were?
Feh I'm caught up.
Probably just going to sheep on wisdom.
If all the claims are town and all my town reads are right then it's cape/wisdom, but I don't think that feels right.
I need to step away and get something to eat. I've had nothing but a piece of cheese for breakfast and I'm starving.
Why am I still up.
Not sure about the pr stuff, I'm pretty much 6+ pages behind but if Rask is mech v that's great? Might be able to do some simple nka based on that before I fall asleep.
Feh I'm caught up.
Probably just going to sheep on wisdom.
If all the claims are town and all my town reads are right then it's cape/wisdom, but I don't think that feels right.
I need to step away and get something to eat. I've had nothing but a piece of cheese for breakfast and I'm starving.
Sorry to say your reads are wrong then!
Visor - Were you in the mtgs team mafia game a few years ago where you were in a scum team with Nacho and claimed that you vigged one of the members of your scum team and sailed to victory from it?
Sorry to say your reads are wrong then!
I would not be surprised!
What did Visor claim?
Ender gave him a bp vest which was used last night. Meaning visor was the night kill.
Yeah thought so.
Rask didn't vote wolf.
I he was targeted that heavily implies wolves bussed, because if the wolf wagon was pure it would have been a priority to go there.
I'm not sure if Rask is confirmed the nk target but if he was that means there's a bus in Jan/Ladd/Visor.
It's not Jan, that's not how buses happen.
I actually changed my mind on ladd/Visor not being w/w. They could still be, mostly because I can't remember them trying to solve each other properly. I think it's more likely to be Visor than ladd though.
Ender gave him a bp vest which was used last night. Meaning visor was the night kill.
Okay then screw my last post if this is correct? Would Ender have been given this information or is it only Visor who knows it got used?
Okay then screw my last post if this is correct? Would Ender have been given this information or is it only Visor who knows it got used?
Visor only knows that information because Ender's response to it being used was something like "Really, I'm a god. lmao"
So Ender town regardless unless exactly Visor/Ender?
But having 4 mech v people sounds incredibly unbalanced. What worlds would be possible?
Rask/Cape/Sleep 2 of them. Or add ladd?
Kinda don't trust it, sounds like a w!Visor play. But I don't have time to do proper research, so glgl!
Unvote:
Visor only knows that information because Ender's response to it being used was something like "Really, I'm a god. lmao"
Oh okay so it's Ender who's wolf if 1 in Ender/Visor?
I know I got hit
Both you and Ender knows?
Yeah thought so.
Rask didn't vote wolf.
I he was targeted that heavily implies wolves bussed, because if the wolf wagon was pure it would have been a priority to go there.
I'm not sure if Rask is confirmed the nk target but if he was that means there's a bus in Jan/Ladd/Visor.
It's not Jan, that's not how buses happen.
I actually changed my mind on ladd/Visor not being w/w. They could still be, mostly because I can't remember them trying to solve each other properly. I think it's more likely to be Visor than ladd though.
I know this is technically fake-able, but it doesn't feel that way?
Ender gave him a bp vest which was used last night. Meaning visor was the night kill.
Taffy PR
Ender PR
Syn PR
Having 3 town PR's is a high number in a 13er
But I believe EnderWiggin then. And then 1 of Taffy/Syn is wolf probably???
Either way
Vote: Raskolnkov
I think this and Taffy are looking mighty sus to me and both are voting me so, I feel like I am just gonna OMGUS here ;)
tbh both of you are saying this but I am being in everyone's POE for raisins and it's cetainly hurting my joie de vivre smh.
Like Cape is being the real potatoe conf-biaising himself into locking me for surface level micro reads. Ladd just copypasted my point of view then go on to vote me like the slimmy sloab he is. You are constantly posting I am a wolf since game start for no sensible reasons either.
Your reason to clear Ender is dumb af and both of you are spearheading a chop on a villager and loosing us a valuable day lol.
The fact Wisdom reversed their read on me without expressed reason and are voting happily with you should just spew me town (look this wagon lmao) and make it clear it's just Wisdom/Ender most of the time.
su l8r.
edit: Ender, will reread EOD1 l8r to see if I actually missed the context to your Wisdom vote, maybe I just did since I scroll back from last tally
When posts like this exist, it's hard not to read into what Rask is doing as "agendaless". It's hard to take seriously in general his whole meltdown over me shading a bunch of slots when this exists
Votal 2.5
Rask (3) - Syn (#529 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851090&viewfull=1#post2053851090)), Ender (#554 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851115&viewfull=1#post2053851115)), Cape (#696 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851257&viewfull=1#post2053851257)
Wisdom (3) - Visor (#490 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851051&viewfull=1#post2053851051)), ladd (#572 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851133&viewfull=1#post2053851133)), Jan (#653 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851214&viewfull=1#post2053851214))
Cape (2) - Rask (#627 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851188&viewfull=1#post2053851188)), Taffy (#676 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851237&viewfull=1#post2053851237))
Ender (1) - Wisdom (#507 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851068&viewfull=1#post2053851068))
https://media.tenor.com/2KezqzR3rcEAAAAC/matty-matheson-tacos.gif
eod2
Ender obviously looks the best if Visor's vest is broken, but Ender is also all over the place which is my only gripe there looking back
Now I'm back to just thinking about being pragmatic and voting rask even though I don't have hopes he'll flip scum.
Mafia is hard. Why did I come out of retirement again? Oh yeah, Jan. I blame you Jan.
Both you and Ender knows?
Wisdom, I don't get you pressing here :/
Like all this tinfoiling after Visor confirms he got hit only works if both Visor and EnderWiggin are the last 2 mafia
Why would he know
I dunno, but if only you know it could be a tactic for wolf!you to get "cleared" to avoid Rask from getting cleared.
Wisdom, I don't get you pressing here :/
Like all this tinfoiling after Visor confirms he got hit only works if both Visor and EnderWiggin are the last 2 mafia
They wouldn't have to be both. all worlds technically work.
Wisdom, I don't get you pressing here :/
Like all this tinfoiling after Visor confirms he got hit only works if both Visor and EnderWiggin are the last 2 mafia
Not if you saved Rask but w!visor fake claims that the bp got hit.
Yeah but in what world would rask be the night kill?
I am trying to decide between shipping on wisdom and being pragmatic on rask.
I will vote don't worry.
Sorry if there's something I don't understand.
vote: Sleep
I have no idea right now.
Good night good luck
Sorry if this is wrong wisdom, but I just realized the wisdom wagon are my partners from yesterdays wagon, and I'm going to sheep them.
vote:wisdom
Last post i have for today
Wisdom ur post u made in response to me actually makes no sense and im considering in this post voting you over rask
What is ur sleep vote??
I wont vote u for this
like Rask has talked about his own previous posts which is a towntell
Suibian has been consistently unsure of themselves all game and has made sure to let everyone know that, kinda GtH town though just if i were to assume 1 PR = mafia
WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY PARTNERS WHAT????
I think Taffy is most likely fake if there were to be a faker in the bunch, Syn has too many town points, but ig Taffy's claim and when they did it weren't bad tbh so idk, that's why im not voting between that today, feels like they will resolve themselves if PR
uh
ladd is still town
as i said EnderWiggin's claim obviously holds
uh
Sleep is underwhelming me today which is making me tinfoil him
k thx bye
Raskolnikov
10-31-2023, 02:00
I am trying to decide between shipping on wisdom and being pragmatic on rask.
I will vote don't worry.
Why is it pragmatic voting me? I mean trust your own judgement smh.
Sheeping wolves and potatoes is not your fate frienda.
Anyway, legacy.
Yeet into Wis, Cape, Sleep. If it fails, turbo Jan :curtain: (the timing was great for an hellbus of a no-show Jan)
Raskolnikov
10-31-2023, 02:01
my precious
Now I'm back to just thinking about being pragmatic and voting rask even though I don't have hopes he'll flip scum.
Mafia is hard. Why did I come out of retirement again? Oh yeah, Jan. I blame you Jan.
We could have stayed in our retirement home and just played some bingo instead!
Welp
Votal 2.6
Wisdom (4) - Visor (#490 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851051&viewfull=1#post2053851051)), ladd (#572 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851133&viewfull=1#post2053851133)), Jan (#653 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851214&viewfull=1#post2053851214)), Suibian (#707 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851268&viewfull=1#post2053851268))
Rask (3) - Syn (#529 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851090&viewfull=1#post2053851090)), Ender (#554 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851115&viewfull=1#post2053851115)), Cape (#696 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851257&viewfull=1#post2053851257))
Cape (2) - Rask (#627 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851188&viewfull=1#post2053851188)), Taffy (#676 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851237&viewfull=1#post2053851237))
Sleep (1) - Wisdom (#706 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851267&viewfull=1#post2053851267))
https://media.tenor.com/SItUB5F9j-UAAAAM/nacho-time-matty-matheson.gif
Wisdom is yot. Flip incoming.
Wisdom was:
Vanilla cereal, in the form of:
C-mon
You are a tiny pastry, of sorts, filled with something like a memory sculpted from the remains of a milk chocolate: beloved parent, adored by all who knew them, sweet and generous of nature, survived by three children: a professional ski jumper, amateur documentarian, and part time Balkan, and two bankers. (The bankers recommended your flavor be chocolate, rather than apple, and you agreed to their terms. The documentarian was somewhere else, wiping a sweaty brow under the heat of the stage lights with the air of a maniac.) You are eaten with milk, like any other cereal, but you are unsettling (spiritually, not physically) to all those who come in contact with you. Before you existed, people theorized whether it was possible to create a hot pocket cereal. You are c-mon.
::)::
You’ve always been afraid of death. Please don’t kill me, you whisper prayerfully to the night, but you know it ignores you. Sometimes a strange longing takes you, and for a moment you believe you’re about to meet your end. “Aquí está,” you say out loud. “Los asesinos en cereales me llevan.”
One day, as the rising sun peeks through your huddled cardboard covers, you have an epiphany, or at least a thought. “Soy le defensore de les despoetices,” you proclaim convincingly. “Y nadie puede silenciarme. ¡Adelante, mi arma es mi voz!” You emerge from your dusty fortress into the dawnlit lands and set out ayonder with tongue in hand. You may be a little bland, but you certainly have an appetite.
You win when all threats to cereal have been eaten.
Night 2 ends in: eod2
Please submit night actions at least 1 hour before deadline, thanks!
Sorry for the delay.
Taffy has died!
They were:
Vanilla cereal, in the form of:
Sultana bran
Distant nephew of the corn flake, you are the yoga pants wearing adaptation that emerged when corn flakes and honey, frosted corn flakes, and even crunchy nut corn flakes did not sufficiently meet all that all hearts desired. You are sweet and savory, full of contradiction and mystery, or, at least, you aspire to be. You have recently considered becoming a missionary. You are sultana bran.
::)::
You’ve always been afraid of death. Please don’t kill me, you whisper prayerfully to the night, but you know it ignores you. Sometimes a strange longing takes you, and for a moment you believe you’re about to meet your end. “Aquí está,” you say out loud. “Los asesinos en cereales me llevan.”
One day, as the rising sun peeks through your huddled cardboard covers, you have an epiphany, or at least a thought. “Soy le defensore de les despoetices,” you proclaim convincingly. “Y nadie puede silenciarme. ¡Adelante, mi arma es mi voz!” You emerge from your dusty fortress into the dawnlit lands and set out ayonder with tongue in hand. You may be a little bland, but you certainly have an appetite.
You win when all threats to cereal have been eaten.
For the next eod3 it is day 3, chill and enjoy.
Livelist
Visor
Raskolnikov
Sleep
ladd
EnderWiggin
Jan
Cape90
Syn
Suibian
EnderWiggin
11-01-2023, 02:25
(Sorry for missing EOD. Work thing came up and it was past EOD by the time I was back at comp.)
So did a bunch of rereading with the assumption the other claimants are legit.
Cliff notes to start:
I think Rask is actually town after EOD interactions. Call this naive but the way he was bouncing off me suddenly reminded me of how we've bounced as town before. (Esp the whole "sus each other" thread of it.)
I think Visor is town. For now. The talk at EOD with the fake claim shot made me think it's possible he's wolf and is going to milk me giving him a vest. But this is paranoia speaking.
So I read the shortlist of other people (Being Sleep, Ladd, Jan, Cape, Sui) and between them there was one pairing that stood out:
Spoilered below
#94 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850633&viewfull=1#post2053850633)
#161 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850701&viewfull=1#post2053850701)
#231 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850772&viewfull=1#post2053850772)
Early interaction between Sleep and Sui. There's one more question post I didn't capture. But this is far and away (even as a joke) the most "sus" Sui has stated someone is. It also feels, now I'm looking at it this way, like the kind of jokes a w/w pair use to be like "haha we're not partners".
Then we have the next stage.
Which is "Sui mentions Sleep is in their blindspot but never just mentions it alone and includes other names."
#519 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851080&viewfull=1#post2053851080)
#527 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851088&viewfull=1#post2053851088)
Then a bit later (After I've claimed) Sui joins in on the "definitely not noticing the claim" group that Cape starts. Then starts to talk in hypothetical "Ender!Scum" worlds which is the most worldbuilding I've seen yet.
Then a hedgy townread on Sleep:
#664 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851225&viewfull=1#post2053851225)
and slightly less hedgy
#666 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851227&viewfull=1#post2053851227)
On Gira's side, there's not a lot of early interactions but if you check his ISO then this post:
#191 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850732&viewfull=1#post2053850732)
Stands out in tone. It's read/read/solve/read/joke with the joke just thrown out at Sui.
And then there's also no real read of Tammy in his ISO except MAAAAYBE this:
#191 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850911&viewfull=1#post2053850911)
----
ALSO both Tammy and Gira had this "Oh good post Ender!" encouragement when I posted my wall post on Monty that feels eeriely similar to each other on reread.
Also also I forgot I scumread Sleep's D1.
Also also also both were riding the line of "don't piss anyone off while v/v violence spreads through thread."
I still don't like ladd's posts but I'm not sure if that's legitimately a scumread or me just being petulent about being sussed by him. (I realised he also sussed me in our town/town game and maybe I'm just overreacting.)
Also I'm not entirely sure who I'd pair with ladd exactly. Funnily enough Rask is someone I'd pair but I'm assuming Rask town for now.
I like Cape's posting and wanted to townlock him but tbh he's on a real weird place for me rn for two reasons. 1. That EOD was wild for Cape's town meter. 2. I normally heavily sus him when we're t/t (I've intentionally avoided randomly pushing him as town purely because I've found myself at odds if he's also town.) So the fact that I don't sus him this game makes me feel tinfoily
Jan I just dunno what to think about. A lot of people think they're towny so I'm gonna be lazy and pretend that's true for now. Also I ran out of steam ISOing other people and casing my Sui/Sleep pairing so I admit I have not properly read their ISO.
EnderWiggin
11-01-2023, 02:25
Also lolwolves.
Oof. I kind of thought we had one more hour last EoD. Euros changed clocks last weekend and ofc I didn't factor that in.
Vt flip is not surprising but makes me feel better about the other claims.
EnderWiggin
11-01-2023, 02:28
Ender obviously looks the best if Visor's vest is broken, but Ender is also all over the place which is my only gripe there looking back
I don't even see how I was "all over the place" tbh.
Like sure I can agree that my timing on my Monty vote was sus. Even if it was very very strongly foreshadowed by my previous actions. But that's not "All over the place"
Also I ran out of steam ISOing other people and casing my Sui/Sleep pairing so I admit I have not properly read their ISO.
Such an odd choice of work considering you were the most likely person to die in the night based on claims.
EnderWiggin
11-01-2023, 02:30
Reading back over my night-work post I'd re-write it to have the "Sui/Sleep" pairing note before the spoiler but eeeeeeh
Such an odd choice of work considering you were the most likely person to die in the night based on claims.
why would he die before the claimed JOAT
why would he die before the claimed JOAT
because the joat had already used their protective and would like use kp this night.
the protective who is basically a doc on all the drugs can not be protected that night.
In the end if the vestgivingdoc role protects the joat claim there is just no kill unless roleblock is an option.
Sorry wisdom my bad
Taffy goat
because the joat had already used their protective and would like use kp this night.
the protective who is basically a doc on all the drugs can not be protected that night.
In the end if the vestgivingdoc role protects the joat claim there is just no kill unless roleblock is an option.
no chance it's infinite vests lol
no chance it's infinite vests lol
no chance vests proc the night they get handed out, but here we are. :P
It could 1-shot
could be there can only be a vest at any given time, but you can vest again after it pops.
wolves could simply have a roleblocker to counter it.
Hard to judge.
Makes sense
My feeling without re reading is that wolves are in cape/sleep/sui
Tho i will do due diligince on both jan/rask (esp rask given the visor n1 nk and syn read there, but i thought they were villagery d2 shrug.jpg). I was a bit confused by rask's legacy post since they were obv never dying
Wrt jan he just has a bunch of posts that I buy he is being honest, some not even relative to reads. But again i will do due diligence
Back to sleep
I don't mean to be rude but that has got to be some of the most superficial and dumbest partner analysis I've seen someone provide on me. Maybe I'm being a bit more tetchy about it because you're insinuating I was going "ho ho ho I didn't see a claim wink wink," which is quite frankly insulting. I even told you that I was five pages behind when you asked a question that day because I'd just gotten home from work. I don't have the kind of job that I can play mafia and work; if I post here and there, it's because I'm posting in between classes or meetings. I was trying to keep up on what was going on at the time while catching up with what I'd missed during the day.
The opening interactions between us is just how we interact. We've been playing with each other off and on since 2012, and the first few times I replaced into a game that sleep was in, he asked me that question, and I in turn ask him that when he replaces into games I'm in. He's a friend; it's just banter and a bit of a way to interact and maybe get the start of a read. I respect sleep's scum game, so it takes me a bit longer to feel comfortable on a read on him. He probably gets annoyed at how often he's quite obviously town, and I'm squinting at him. I definitely didn't have an innocent on him once and still concocted reasons he could be a godfather because I was so paranoid of him, nope nope I did not.
I typically don't try to piss people off in a mafia game. It's just not me; I don't like making games unpleasant, and I try to remember that there's an actual person playing the game and doing their best in most instances. I do get annoyed sometimes and then I can be a real bitch, and I'll probably feel bad about calling your partner analysis of me dumb for the rest of the week. (Unless you're scum and then I'll feel vindicated.) I have been told I'm too nice before, so this isn't the first time I've heard it, it's just that you're wrong about that. This is just me.
I'm also annoyed at the fake claim, which might be fueling my annoyance here with your post. One of the reasons I got fed up with mafia and stopped playing was because of crap like that. I get it, nice to pull the nightkill, but it's just such a waste of town's time to try to make sense of claims when one person is lying. I'm just glad they pulled the nightkill so that it wouldn't be another wasted day of trying to make sense of the claims. I spent the night getting more and more convinced that ender was a scum bp giver because the claims didn't make sense all coming from town.
That being said, I do feel like absolute dead weight this game. My reads suck; I know I'm town reading someone I shouldn't be, but I don't know who. I've thought about it and I really don't know. Maybe it's because I haven't played mafia in a year, or it's the slow game or deadlines or I'm just having a shit game. I don't know, but I've seen the floating suspicion. I get it; it's hard to know what struggling town looks like especially when you don't know the person. I understand, it's cool.
And sorry for calling your partner analysis dumb. If you're town you're doing what you should be doing, and you don't know me, so you wouldn't know how that is just missing the mark. Anyway, I'm going to bed. It's super past my bed time.
EnderWiggin
11-01-2023, 04:08
Sui.
If I could ask you to do one thing for me, could you try to run your current reads from most to least townread?
I know you said you townread everyone, but I am just trying to grasp your reads as best I can. Just top of your head "Who do I townread most out of my townreads" kind of deal.
I do understand the frustration of being sussed by people who don't know you. I tend to be very lasseiz faire about how I act in mafia games and as you've seen I get sus for just trying to follow my nose.
(That being said, and this isn't trying to poke things at you at all, but frustration about the fakeclaim is kind of where I would expect a wolf to be after nking a villager like that.)
EnderWiggin
11-01-2023, 04:08
Makes sense
My feeling without re reading is that wolves are in cape/sleep/sui
Tho i will do due diligince on both jan/rask (esp rask given the visor n1 nk and syn read there, but i thought they were villagery d2 shrug.jpg). I was a bit confused by rask's legacy post since they were obv never dying
Wrt jan he just has a bunch of posts that I buy he is being honest, some not even relative to reads. But again i will do due diligence
Back to sleep
Lemme know what you think about my Sui/Sleep theory. I liked it a lot overnight.
EnderWiggin
11-01-2023, 04:11
Such an odd choice of work considering you were the most likely person to die in the night based on claims.
Ngl when I went into night phase I didn't consider myself a very likely kill.
Sui.
If I could ask you to do one thing for me, could you try to run your current reads from most to least townread?
I know you said you townread everyone, but I am just trying to grasp your reads as best I can. Just top of your head "Who do I townread most out of my townreads" kind of deal.
I do understand the frustration of being sussed by people who don't know you. I tend to be very lasseiz faire about how I act in mafia games and as you've seen I get sus for just trying to follow my nose.
(That being said, and this isn't trying to poke things at you at all, but frustration about the fakeclaim is kind of where I would expect a wolf to be after nking a villager like that.)
I said yesterday at end of day my two strongest town reads out of the non claimed were Jan and Ladd. I’m not going to do a list; I don’t do lists. My I town read everyone was not quite serious.
Just for the record I expected that response about me being frustrated about the fake claim. I’m not an idiot to think that someone trying out to make a case on me wouldn’t make any that point. It’s how I feel, try to make it look however you want to.
I am fine going today if that makes it easier for town to figure out the game though.
Phone posting in bed sucks. Sorry for terrible grammar.
Well I had enough game sense to think that JOAT claim was hugely sketch coming from Taffy
What I didn't know was Taffy was just GOATed with the sauce
I spent the night getting more and more convinced that ender was a scum bp giver because the claims didn't make sense all coming from town.
I also was indeed thinking about this, but I came to the conclusion that Ender was the likely true-est claim
It just makes no sense coming from scum
Like if scum!Ender gave a vest to town!Visor which Visor claimed that the thing had been popped. Like Visor in this scenario would have to be the target of a vest AND the mafia night kill which seems like a not such a great play with 1 mafia already down and likely 2 to go.
Or if both Ender/Visor were w/w, it really seems like a complete YOLO move to just fake handing out a vest to your partner to claim that it's been popped, esp since Ender's vest claim is obviously the most provable claim out there.
Now Visor as scum is somewhat more likely... especially in a w!Syn world cuz i did tinfoil that world a tad bit
Kinda thought Ender should have gave a vest to Taffy anyways for easily being the most powerful PR claim out of a 1 shot vig who already used and obviously himself (if that's even possible).
I am only here for a tad bit longer, I do not feel good at all, like my stomach feels THRASHED and IDK why :(
I don't even see how I was "all over the place" tbh.
Like sure I can agree that my timing on my Monty vote was sus. Even if it was very very strongly foreshadowed by my previous actions. But that's not "All over the place"
I believe you were calling me mafia but then were like on like 3 other people. This is me recalling stuff instead of actually looking because im lazy when I feel like trash :)
yo ender
#191 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850732&viewfull=1#post2053850732)
thx for the ammo
Vote: Sleep
I like Cape's posting and wanted to townlock him but tbh he's on a real weird place for me rn for two reasons. 1. That EOD was wild for Cape's town meter. 2. I normally heavily sus him when we're t/t (I've intentionally avoided randomly pushing him as town purely because I've found myself at odds if he's also town.) So the fact that I don't sus him this game makes me feel tinfoily
1. I thought my EOD was quite towny. Also have seen ppl push me for having bad EOD's before and I would argue that EOD is FAR from my worst, postcap kinda made me sweat that EOD though since I literally posted 50 times and I usually like hyperposting EOD and i couldn't really do that :p
2. I will take that as a compliment or at least a sign that my town game is actually getting townier then it was a year or two ago. I get townread quite a bit on this site so idk if i just play townier on here or what
EnderWiggin
11-01-2023, 05:21
I believe you were calling me mafia but then were like on like 3 other people. This is me recalling stuff instead of actually looking because im lazy when I feel like trash :)
I only called you mafia at EOD I think. And even then I was never voting you at the time.
That being said I left my vote on Rask when I meant to move it so >.>
I am glad he didn't get flipped cause of it lmao
I only called you mafia at EOD I think. And even then I was never voting you at the time.
That being said I left my vote on Rask when I meant to move it so >.>
I am glad he didn't get flipped cause of it lmao
I'm not
Can’t fall asleep, but before you start congratulating each other on ammo:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/33813-Covenant-of-Darkness
Banter.
Scum read me or him, hell call us partners, that’s whatever but come on guys you can come up with something better than fixating on an obvious joke.
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 09:07
Sup, so we had just 3 fakeclaims. Lmao.
So we basically yoloed on Wisdom yesterday. Cool.
Kindof pissed at Visor/Enders play rn, gotta reread some . Thinking Ender comes off towny out of it, Visor not so much (unless ww and they both fooled us to avoid Enders chop which was happening).
Taffys claim was goated though, thats true.
Ladd, I posted a legacy because I was tied up with Wis at :59. (Lol potatoes)
Speaking of which, Syn I expect town!you to be obtuse, but still if you could like reeval some reads it would be huge. Because you are tunneling me since my first lol post and its getting old.
I will reread from Enders claim and post more later today. Kinda upset rn sorry. If I had a day vig id shoot Visor immediatly
EnderWiggin
11-01-2023, 09:45
wdym 3 fake claims?
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 10:01
I think Visor is town. For now. The talk at EOD with the fake claim shot made me think it's possible he's wolf and is going to milk me giving him a vest. But this is paranoia speaking.
I was assuming that this meant you didn't give him a vest or it didn't trigger. Do you confirm I read it wrong, or?
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 10:16
(...)
Either way
Vote: Raskolnkov
I think this and Taffy are looking mighty sus to me and both are voting me so, I feel like I am just gonna OMGUS here ;)
When posts like this exist, it's hard not to read into what Rask is doing as "agendaless". It's hard to take seriously in general his whole meltdown over me shading a bunch of slots when this exists
Last post i have for today
(...)
like Rask has talked about his own previous posts which is a towntell
(...)
k thx bye
1. I thought my EOD was quite towny.
https://i.gifer.com/origin/6f/6f18caea84471ba708d228d91bb56ebc_w200.gif
Lemme know what you think about my Sui/Sleep theory. I liked it a lot overnight.
i dunno lol best i'll say is "its not impossible", not v helpful i know
every team i come up with doesnt leave me 100% satisfied so i feel i am def missing something
Sup, so we had just 3 fakeclaims. Lmao.
So we basically yoloed on Wisdom yesterday. Cool.
Kindof pissed at Visor/Enders play rn, gotta reread some . Thinking Ender comes off towny out of it, Visor not so much (unless ww and they both fooled us to avoid Enders chop which was happening).
Taffys claim was goated though, thats true.
Ladd, I posted a legacy because I was tied up with Wis at :59. (Lol potatoes)
Speaking of which, Syn I expect town!you to be obtuse, but still if you could like reeval some reads it would be huge. Because you are tunneling me since my first lol post and its getting old.
I will reread from Enders claim and post more later today. Kinda upset rn sorry. If I had a day vig id shoot Visor immediatly
I don't follow this post...like at all. why do you wanna dayvig visor? taffy flipped vt so visor was almost surely just the nk
I spent the night getting more and more convinced that ender was a scum bp giver because the claims didn't make sense all coming from town.
what was your theory with how that worked with visor claiming his vest got popped?
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 10:18
letting aside Ender's business and assuming the vest didn't trigger (think it's Jan who posted that it wouldn't trigger on the same night it was handed), what happened N1?
What does it mean for Syn? (like I fail to see wolves killing Monty - I should actually reread his ISO)
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 10:22
i dunno lol best i'll say is "its not impossible", not v helpful i know
every team i come up with doesnt leave me 100% satisfied so i feel i am def missing something
I don't follow this post...like at all. why do you wanna dayvig visor? taffy flipped vt so visor was almost surely just the nk
what was your theory with how that worked with visor claiming his vest got popped?
I am just trying to make sense of the claims rn. Who lied, etc... How is Visor alive if he the vest wasn't active?
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 10:24
I am just trying to make sense of the claims rn. Who lied, etc... How is Visor alive if he the vest wasn't active?
fwiw I have doubts about the vest because of Ender's own doubt about Visor's alignment.
letting aside Ender's business and assuming the vest didn't trigger (think it's Jan who posted that it wouldn't trigger on the same night it was handed), what happened N1?
What does it mean for Syn? (like I fail to see wolves killing Monty - I should actually reread his ISO)
visor already claims it got triggered so here is what (most likely) happened n1:
- wolves shot visor
- ender gave vest to visor and vest got broken
- syn shot monty
The only viable alternative is that wolves shot monty and visor is claiming his vest got broken to earn lack clear status but..like why would wolves shoot monty there
(also fwiw i think 3 villa PRs is perfectly plausible in a closed 13er)
(Jan saying it can't be broken the same night was just an assumption i believe)
Jan where are you at in terms of reads?
Silly question of the day -
How does it feel to replace into a scum slot? Sweatin cold buckets?
Couldn’t resist going back to bed.
Did you know who sleep was here?
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