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i really dont think rask is posting like a wolf with TMI today
assuming visor was indeed the n1 nk, its hard for a wolf to say the stuff rask is saying so openly lol
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Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 10:36
visor already claims it got triggered so here is what (most likely) happened n1:
- wolves shot visor
- ender gave vest to visor and vest got broken
- syn shot monty
The only viable alternative is that wolves shot monty and visor is claiming his vest got broken to earn lack clear status but..like why would wolves shoot monty there
(also fwiw i think 3 villa PRs is perfectly plausible in a closed 13er)
(Jan saying it can't be broken the same night was just an assumption i believe)
Jan where are you at in terms of reads?
exactly, I was at this scenario yesterday (bolded one). but like why is Ender doubting Visor here and not yesterday? what new info did he get? Taffy flipping vt doesn't change things. Also the prob of Monty being the nk is lie very slim. like idk what this is all about.
Well I just checked and I misread Jan's #756. in that case nvm my rant. Taffy still goat. I should get another coffee tbh
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 10:38
exactly, I was at this scenario yesterday (bolded one). but like why is Ender doubting Visor here and not yesterday? what new info did he get? Taffy flipping vt doesn't change things. Also the prob of Monty being the nk is lie very slim. like idk what this is all about.
Well I just checked and I misread Jan's #726. in that case nvm my rant. Taffy still goat. I should get another coffee tbh
EBWOP
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 11:18
Well I had enough game sense to think that JOAT claim was hugely sketch coming from Taffy
What I didn't know was Taffy was just GOATed with the sauce
Well I know I am going to conf-biais myself prolly but this is Cape's first sentence toDay. Sounds like someone really eagger to post he wasn't fooled by Taffy smh.
Think Ladd is town, Visor is too, Syn is too prolly (fwiw Syn, I am not the guy who kills Visor N1 every game lol. I can link a game offsite where I milked him tilll he was the last MLs). Gotta work out the rest. l8r
Well I know I am going to conf-biais myself prolly but this is Cape's first sentence toDay. Sounds like someone really eagger to post he wasn't fooled by Taffy smh
Think Ladd is town, Visor is too, Syn is too prolly (fwiw Syn, I am not the guy who kills Visor N1 every game lol. I can link a game offsite where I milked him tilll he was the last MLs). Gotta work out the rest. l8r
I mean cape also said yesterday at eod that he wasnt sure about taffy being real so it adds up. I dont really think thats wolfy from cape
i am re reading all the game from the start cause I just don't feel happy about how game is playing out tbh. feels like we are all missing something
so far my main takeway from d1 is that i am prob never lunching Jan and that suibian vote was actually pretty crucial in making barto go over and the other wagons were v/v so while yes bussing a 1 posting wolf is obviously in anyone's range, it was a somewhat unnecessay buss that late into the day:
Votal 1.5
Monty (3) - Rask (#38 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850576&viewfull=1#post2053850576)), Barto (#67 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850606&viewfull=1#post2053850606)), Wisdom (#185 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850726&viewfull=1#post2053850726))
Wisdom (3) - Visor (#147 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850686&viewfull=1#post2053850686)), Sleep (#229 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850770&viewfull=1#post2053850770)), Ender (#256 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850797&viewfull=1#post2053850797))
Barto (2) - Jan (#73 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850612&viewfull=1#post2053850612)), ladd (#175 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850716&viewfull=1#post2053850716))
Rask (2) - Taffy (#11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850548&viewfull=1#post2053850548)), Monty (#274 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850816&viewfull=1#post2053850816))
Jan (1) - Suibian (#9 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850546&viewfull=1#post2053850546))
Taffy (1) - Syn (#232 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850773&viewfull=1#post2053850773))
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Day 1 has ended.
vote barto
with 11 mins left to eod
rask d1 not great. sleep d1 not great
visor pushed on mostly just ender/wisdom but he did have the tiebreaker vote on monty so wolves prob thought he was lock clear+he is visor and thats why they tried to nk him i assume. Also reading monty posting there is like no way he was the nk imo (sorry)
I expected there to be more posts to get rid of the tie. Do you guys really want to keep the tie?
did you vote barto just to tie wagons and see what happened or was there something more?
can you talk to me about your vote on barto at eod?
monty is not the kill i expected but it makes sense i guess
Vote: rask
ya i was thinking about this too contrary to what i just posted lol
i re skimmed their last v game on here (achro/boq/vugard wolf team game) and man they were so much more obviously a villager
i am ~completely at peace with having Jan as a villager so if anyone needs help getting there i can go more in depth on this read (later tho, now I wanna focus on reading)
Sup guys.
Ngl wanted to turbo Ender but I guess we will think about it (eod1 looks like an uncontrolled fiasco for woofs but I might have that wrong need to reread.)
Congrats taffy unvoting me. Both elite villa move and hilarious :thumbsup:
I exist and have thoughts.
One wolf in Visor/Ender.
Need to look back at Ladd and Wisdom tbh. Though not sure why. Prolly not a pairing but two slots Ive been uncomfy on reread.
Taffy looked different but I think I saw a claim, very good.
Gonna drive today. Will articulate these reads l8r if they are stickers.
why was taffy unvoting you hilarious?
red - you saying you need to re read/recheck was a big theme in your d2 posting...feels kinda wolfy
cape entry on the thread still reads fine to me. prob not w/w with rask too
ya i was thinking about this too contrary to what i just posted lol
i re skimmed their last v game on here (achro/boq/vugard wolf team game) and man they were so much more obviously a villager
i am ~completely at peace with having Jan as a villager so if anyone needs help getting there i can go more in depth on this read (later tho, now I wanna focus on reading)
yeah this is what it is coming down to for me
every time i read one of rasks posts, the words are fine, competent, but you're right that theres just no 'showing' of being a villager
(re the other post stuck in your multiquote - i was trying to keep up pretenses of not knowing i had been shot)
still think shooting me is weird if i am pushing ender/wisdom v/v (that said, if taffy flipped joat i would've turboed ender lol, killing me is just weird and sounds the kind of fancy play ender would think up)
like yes i have last minute vote going for me, but its not like my reads were good lol
wya on cape and sleep
Prolly not a pairing but two slots Ive been uncomfy on reread.
i mean rask villager just literally never says this
i don't think i've seen anything remotely close to it before lol
that just has the feeling of wolf making posts
Visor
Totally not Taffy - claimed pr
Syn - claimed pr
EnderWiggin - doesn't make sense to turbo team as a wolf
Jan - possibility of bussing inactive partner, but otherwise decent
Suibian - i can see a wolf with jan world where tehy bus inactive partner and ride cred, but otherwise, did not need to make the vote at eod to put barto in danger
ladd - voted barto, but also possibly likeliest busser? idk
Cape90 - haven't minded his posting so far tbh
Raskolnikov
Sleep
Wisdom
is what i am left with, basically.
this may have been spot on but we lunched the villager from the bottom 3 lol
classic
Like Cape is being the real potatoe conf-biaising himself into locking me for surface level micro reads. Ladd just copypasted my point of view then go on to vote me like the slimmy sloab he is. You are constantly posting I am a wolf since game start for no sensible reasons either.
this lacks some critical thinking on cape alignment imo
like the cape sentence feels like frustration for being caught for the wrong easons rather than evaluating if cape is a villager or a wolf pushing them
rask does still have some nice posts in their iso still tho, mostly tonally; but content wise not sue I buy the stuff they are saying so far anymore
will keep reading later
this may have been spot on but we lunched the villager from the bottom 3 lol
classic
every goddamn game lmao
i think i'm fine with rask/sleep dying for now, ye
idk man i just don't think its gonna be anyone else but those two, teams don't make sense
i think wolves shot me to dodge a doctor, in hindsight
wya on cape and sleep
I like cape for villa more than sleep, i think
i have never been a good cape reader but i have been skimming a couple of wolf games on MU (i havent tried this hard in a ww game in a while lmao) and he is even more awkward as a wolf
Here I can mostly follow his thoughts and his jumping around and besides his terrible post about ender yday I have never really been pinged by him
sleep is a borderline impossible read for me this game cause they just don't feel very into it. So by default they are kinda the jolly when I have other people I feel good about being villa. Not a big fan of their pushes d1 (mostly the syn push) but thats all I got
otoh some posts make me think if they would really play it like this as a wolf so i dunno
I like cape for villa more than sleep, i think
i have never been a good cape reader but i have been skimming a couple of wolf games on MU (i havent tried this hard in a ww game in a while lmao) and he is even more awkward as a wolf
Here I can mostly follow his thoughts and his jumping around and besides his terrible post about ender yday I have never really been pinged by him
sleep is a borderline impossible read for me this game cause they just don't feel very into it. So by default they are kinda the jolly when I have other people I feel good about being villa. Not a big fan of their pushes d1 (mostly the syn push) but thats all I got
otoh some posts make me think if they would really play it like this as a wolf so i dunno
yeah that ender post is so out of touch i almost want to call it villagery because nobody would actively choose to post that esp in a high leverage situation lol
and i think i agree on cape being more villa than sleep
if 1/2 of rask/sleep are wolves, where are you looking to after that?
My big question is just who is afraid of visor?
Like honestly?
Homefield advantage is okay, but outside of following the capable players on a wolf lunch (while moaning about it) he legit did nothing d1.
And we can talk about the potential of a washed-up old man all day, but honestly ...
Who is afraid of visor?
jan forever lack clear lmao
Why is it pragmatic voting me? I mean trust your own judgement smh.
Sheeping wolves and potatoes is not your fate frienda.
Anyway, legacy.
Yeet into Wis, Cape, Sleep. If it fails, turbo Jan :curtain: (the timing was great for an hellbus of a no-show Jan)
rask was the top wagon tied with wisdom for (at least) last 10ish mins of the day but insteaf of fighting back and showing that villagery fire they deicde to just wait :00 and post a legacy post (idk if they were close to cap or not tbf)
and wy didnt they evne self pres?
i dunno, if I was wagoned at 3/3 with 10 mins at eod and a villager, thats def not how i'd act
yeah that ender post is so out of touch i almost want to call it villagery because nobody would actively choose to post that esp in a high leverage situation lol
and i think i agree on cape being more villa than sleep
if 1/2 of rask/sleep are wolves, where are you looking to after that?
cape/suibian
everyone else is villa imo
if rask is w, i think cape looks really good with 1) pushing them after 1 wolf already down and 2) having the vote there in 4-3 wagons wisdom-rask. Need to check if it's lack clear levelz tho
if sleep is w, could be either:
- sleep/suibian: theoretically possible but feels like sleep would try harder if this was the team. Just based on a gut feeling
- sleep/cape: possible afaict, if the team was barto+2 people who replaced out thats really rough
Votal 3.0
Rask (2) - Syn (#721 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851284&viewfull=1#post2053851284)), Visor (#758 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851321&viewfull=1#post2053851321))
Sleep (1) - Cape (#736 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851299&viewfull=1#post2053851299))
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i def voted rask
Vote: Raskol
Cape whats your read on rask now?
why do you have me as a villager?
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Suibian has some really nice posts and that vote on barto going for them so they are def the last one i'd look at right now out of the rask/sleep/cape/suibian group
sometimes I even feel i am being unfair to them and they should just be clear lol
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EnderWiggin
11-01-2023, 14:00
I was assuming that this meant you didn't give him a vest or it didn't trigger. Do you confirm I read it wrong, or?
I gave him a vest.
It was suggested Visor is canny enough to have claimed shot when he wasn't actually. I was entertaining the tinfoil as a thought.
EnderWiggin
11-01-2023, 14:03
exactly, I was at this scenario yesterday (bolded one). but like why is Ender doubting Visor here and not yesterday? what new info did he get? Taffy flipping vt doesn't change things. Also the prob of Monty being the nk is lie very slim. like idk what this is all about.
Someone said it in thread at EOD and I sat overnight like "Yes, Visor could've done that."
That post was written before Taffy flip was seen tho.
EnderWiggin
11-01-2023, 14:11
Eh, kinda zoned out and I am that weird place where I thought I'd reached Raskol town overnight and now he seems to be the main sus so I feel off-kilter with thread.
I'm gonna come back in the morning.
Vote: Sleep
Need more info.
EnderWiggin
11-01-2023, 14:13
I reread my own post and confused myself.
Something something I doubt my own reads and Raskol I was sure I was gonna settle on being town overnight but now I'm stuck in the mire again.
Anyway, need to actually bed.
EnderWiggin
11-01-2023, 14:14
I still think I believe in my Sleep/Sui solve tho.
It's triple SSS. (Sleep/Sui Solve)
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 14:26
why was taffy unvoting you hilarious?
red - you saying you need to re read/recheck was a big theme in your d2 posting...feels kinda wolfy
cape entry on the thread still reads fine to me. prob not w/w with rask too
Feels fairly self-explanatory. Like she unvoted me just to be called an outed wolf by 4 people within the minute (can't remember who, but at least Syn/Ender)
Feel that way if you like smh. It's just feel to me we got El Barto just by luck and noone has a real idea about what's going on. Didn't get around to do what I wanted D2, but I did enough to not vote Wisdom when she felt without agenda and lost itt at EOD tbh.
Syn is still town because he got it (posted something like "I don't want to have anything with Wisdom chop") but man this game is frustrating to me. (tunneled by Syn/Cape for objectively no reasons lol. Visor who is the closest thing to confirmed town is potatoing the thing etc...). Like I can tell you already I am the D3 and this game is nearly lost lol (I see no reevalution path for Syn/Cap at this point, and Jan/Suib will prolly sheep one of you/Visor). The only dude that made a based read on me so far is sheep when he posted that overexplaining was a town mark for me, and I can't tell if it's TMI or not so far (dw, I am including myself on the potatoe bowl)
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 14:28
i mean rask villager just literally never says this
i don't think i've seen anything remotely close to it before lol
see Ladd.
I mean how is this a real thought from Visor. shrug
Trick question
I don't have thoughts
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 14:30
this may have been spot on but we lunched the villager from the bottom 3 lol
classic
this lacks some critical thinking on cape alignment imo
like the cape sentence feels like frustration for being caught for the wrong easons rather than evaluating if cape is a villager or a wolf pushing them
rask does still have some nice posts in their iso still tho, mostly tonally; but content wise not sue I buy the stuff they are saying so far anymore
will keep reading later
fwiw I did say I was letting him time in the post before that iirc. Also have a bad history reading Cape so there is that, anyway.
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 14:35
jan forever lack clear lmao
rask was the top wagon tied with wisdom for (at least) last 10ish mins of the day but insteaf of fighting back and showing that villagery fire they deicde to just wait :00 and post a legacy post (idk if they were close to cap or not tbf)
and wy didnt they evne self pres?
i dunno, if I was wagoned at 3/3 with 10 mins at eod and a villager, thats def not how i'd act
We changed hour the day before and I realised it very late, and I just didn't want to vote Wisdom, I liked Cape more for a wolf.
Further more, that's your expectations for my village game, and that's it. Sometimes I have the fire, sometimes I don't. And it's just not an alignment thing.
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 14:38
Anyway, this is going nowhere lmao. THe few people I TR are just wolf reading me so I am not sure who I can speak to. Feel free to maj me and make my life easier rn. idgs.
May post more about stuff l8r, but I am definatly tired of defending myself because people are just ISOing, lacking context, and just unwilling to put someonelse shoes.
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 14:45
ya i was thinking about this too contrary to what i just posted lol
i re skimmed their last v game on here (achro/boq/vugard wolf team game) and man they were so much more obviously a villager
i am ~completely at peace with having Jan as a villager so if anyone needs help getting there i can go more in depth on this read (later tho, now I wanna focus on reading)
fwiw y. I will take your details about Jan
Votal 3.01b
Rask (2) - Syn (#721 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851284&viewfull=1#post2053851284)), Visor (#758 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851321&viewfull=1#post2053851321))
Sleep (2) - Cape (#736 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851299&viewfull=1#post2053851299)), Ender (#777 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851340&viewfull=1#post2053851340))
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Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 15:01
unironically villagery post
Do a run down of this one too pls Ladd.
what was your theory with how that worked with visor claiming his vest got popped?
My theory was the ender both gave the bp vest to him and shot him for townpoints and plausible deniability. I was also suspicious of taffy's doc claim after claiming to doc rask because he was the other pr while scolding people for not recognizing monty was a pr but also not claiming to save him. But taffy's tone changed so much from day one to day two that I thought that seemed weird for a fake claim.
Silly question of the day -
Did you know who sleep was here?
Yep. Sleep commented on my first post to say that maybe he wouldn't regret replacing in after all, which confused me at first because his first post was to say something like benneh's at home and I don't think I've ever played with benneh. But after reading a couple of his posts, I thought he might be Gira, so I read through his forum posts and found where he talked about Artemis Fowl and what happened that game, which I was also in, and that confirmed it.
did you vote barto just to tie wagons and see what happened or was there something more?
can you talk to me about your vote on barto at eod?
I considered voting Monty, especially after ender's case, but visor wanted to give both rask and monty a day. I almost voted wisdom, but Jan popped in and pointed out something he liked from wisdom, which helped reinforce my earlier thought that wisdom sounded fine. So I went with my earlier thought that I was just going to go ahead and sheep Jan onto Barto.
I did notice that doing that made three wagons tie and was interested to see what would happen as a result of that, and I was a bit confused when a couple minutes to deadline nobody had moved to get rid of the tie. I didn't know if you guys actually liked ties and wanted to see what would happen with the rand.
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 15:20
Jan/Ladd looks possible (food for thought if none of them died by SOD4) to me D1: like a lot of cheap interactions and questions that look like "hey, I will help my partner here". Also the reasonning for voting El Barto just look the same (LHF, placeholder oops didn't come back).
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 15:44
I want to believe in Visor and give Monty a day.
I don't want to follow on ender though even though I should probably accept that he has more experience and my early tone read might be dumb and wrong, but I still like it right now.
I will follow onto wisdom. Their posts seem fine but I don't have an actual read there.
Wisdom pushing against syn and myself before anyone else didn't feel like a wolf move to me.
Votal 1.5
Monty (3) - Rask (#38 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850576&viewfull=1#post2053850576)), Barto (#67 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850606&viewfull=1#post2053850606)), Wisdom (#185 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850726&viewfull=1#post2053850726))
Wisdom (3) - Visor (#147 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850686&viewfull=1#post2053850686)), Sleep (#229 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850770&viewfull=1#post2053850770)), Ender (#256 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850797&viewfull=1#post2053850797))
Barto (2) - Jan (#73 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850612&viewfull=1#post2053850612)), ladd (#175 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850716&viewfull=1#post2053850716))
Rask (2) - Taffy (#11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850548&viewfull=1#post2053850548)), Monty (#274 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850816&viewfull=1#post2053850816))
Jan (1) - Suibian (#9 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850546&viewfull=1#post2053850546))
Taffy (1) - Syn (#232 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850773&viewfull=1#post2053850773))
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Day 1 has ended.
vote barto
Out of Jan/Ladd/Subian, I think Subian had the most rationale and villagery vote D1, prolly locking her as a villager now.
(I am not considering Visor tbh. there is still the possibility Syn is a wolf vig that shot wolf!Visor who NKed Monty, but I am honnestly hoping Gemma didn't include a wolf vig allowed to shot another wolf :shrug: yeah no, lol me for this thought)
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 15:55
We changed hour the day before and I realised it very late, and I just didn't want to vote Wisdom, I liked Cape more for a wolf.
Further more, that's your expectations for my village game, and that's it. Sometimes I have the fire, sometimes I don't. And it's just not an alignment thing.
Just to add up on this Ladd, how do you feel about Wisdom voting Sleep alone when about to die? Because like it's just another proof your expectations are just that, expectations, and not a real reason to actually wolf read someone. And you know it.
this lacks some critical thinking on my alignment imo :curtain:
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 16:07
Anyway, reread D1. Still think Syn is town. Subian lock clear imo. Cape/Kage no posts. Sleep looks OK with good tone and own thoughts but it's not like he had any influence on the flip or willingness to push somewhere outside Syn so like possible
who is left, Visor cleared, Ender cleared.
Jan/Ladd are 'could be's. Nothing totally damning but both look like great players (I now for Ladd, Jan sounds like one) so I am not sure what is out of their range at this point. Will continue in a few.
fwiw y. I will take your details about Jan
ya I will get it to it tomorrow (irl)
also there is no maj fwiw
Just to add up on this Ladd, how do you feel about Wisdom voting Sleep alone when about to die? Because like it's just another proof your expectations are just that, expectations, and not a real reason to actually wolf read someone. And you know it.
this lacks some critical thinking on my alignment imo :curtain:
wisdom was 1 of your top 3 favourite lunches in the legacy and was your counterwagon, which is why I am confused why you didnt vote them back even if you preferred cape
i'll give you the wisdom point tho - idk why they didnt self pres either since you were in their PoE afaict lol
as an aside, i think I have showed this game that I am clearly willing to change reads on a dime (see: how many times i have changed m mind on you lol) so if you are worried i am not gonna change my mind no worries. We have 48 hours and I intend to use them all to read and think
I am afraid that this game which feels competent and mostly fun will be a buzzkill because we find out the wolf-team basically didn't play d1.
Bart
sleep
cape
team would be heartbreaking in that regard.
sleep and cape did a good job afterwards tbh.
Visor
EnderWiggin
Syn
Suibian
Ladd
Raskolnikov
Cape90
Sleep
Is where I am at.
Sleep and Cape have good toan going for them, but that is more based on playstyle than anything else.
Hard to see the difference between not really into it villa and wolf in a corner that has mostly given up in Sleeps behavior.
If the bottom 3 do not include 2 wolves then either mech is wrong (which I don't think is true) or there is an actual deep wolf.
I think if ladd is a wolf he is mostly forced to push me into the poe slowly but surely because he just loses a f3 with tammy and myself.
But he doubled down on me as villa today.
I am kind of sad that I didn't see rask panic more about yesterday being v/v wagons with little momentum to change.
That would have been my perspective as v in that position. Both of them voted off wagon and the only person who was not involved in the two main wagons is Taffy.
I am afraid that this game which feels competent and mostly fun will be a buzzkill because we find out the wolf-team basically didn't play d1.
Bart
sleep
cape
ya thats something I have been considering too
how confident are you on tammy from 1 to 10? they actually look really good so I am tempted to lock them in tbh and just say kill sleep/cape/rask and win
i also wanna say it's been a fun game to me, regardless of whats gonna be the answer this has been a fun puzzle
maybe its cause I have had a lot of time compared to my usual available time these days, but its been cool trying to piece things together
ya thats something I have been considering too
how confident are you on tammy from 1 to 10? they actually look really good so I am tempted to lock them in tbh and just say kill sleep/cape/rask and win
8?
This would be my clear blindspot this game because several posts that read genuine and nice could technically be a pocket.
But even without any interaction between us, she reads genuine and her d1 vote timing doesn't feel like a bus at all.
i also wanna say it's been a fun game to me, regardless of whats gonna be the answer this has been a fun puzzle
maybe its cause I have had a lot of time compared to my usual available time these days, but its been cool trying to piece things together
Yes.
yo ender
#191 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850732&viewfull=1#post2053850732)
thx for the ammo
Vote: Sleep
Waitasec
Why are you voting him and not me? Iirc I’m the one you’ve had floating suspicion here and there on while thinking his posts look obvtown. If that’s ammo for us being partners, why not vote the one you’ve expressed more doubts on?
i dunno lol best i'll say is "its not impossible", not v helpful i know
every team i come up with doesnt leave me 100% satisfied so i feel i am def missing something
I don't follow this post...like at all. why do you wanna dayvig visor? taffy flipped vt so visor was almost surely just the nk
what was your theory with how that worked with visor claiming his vest got popped?
Silly question of the day -
Did you know who sleep was here?
did you vote barto just to tie wagons and see what happened or was there something more?
can you talk to me about your vote on barto at eod?
i also wanna say it's been a fun game to me, regardless of whats gonna be the answer this has been a fun puzzle
maybe its cause I have had a lot of time compared to my usual available time these days, but its been cool trying to piece things together
I've enjoyed this game and playing with you guys as well. I know I got frustrated last night, but overall I've had fun. I was really worried what a game with these deadlines would be and if I'd be able to keep up, so I'm pleasantly surprised.
OH also ender is probably just town. My growing suspicion overnight was based on me doubting that we had a joat with a heal and a bp giver as town. But without that, he's probably just our healer role.
Weird, not sure why my computer kept all those quotes when I already responded to them.
https://media.tenor.com/m-2XXQuq-OwAAAAC/peace-out.gif
sleep since sod2
Speaking of which, Syn I expect town!you to be obtuse, but still if you could like reeval some reads it would be huge. Because you are tunneling me since my first lol post and its getting old.
I have nothing to re-eval on. you are posting textbook rask wolf posts, why would I change my read on you
Raskolnikov
11-01-2023, 23:05
Lol u trolls. U will owe me apologies after this game.
Sup
Thoughts?
idk
if i'm being honest i saw ender opening the day with casing me and got annoyed because i'm sick of getting tunneled for nonsense in every game, worst part is that hes almost certainly town doing it given the claims. i just dont have the stamina to argue with people like that anymore.
and given that, means syn/ender/you all town
does not change a lot for me - i still think suiban is likely to be town, have not head reason to suspect this is not her town game and dont think she has this much energy as scum esp. after not drawing it in forver. maybe im getting owned but if i am o well
i didn't like cape's posting at EOD - it felt posture-y in terms of how he seemed to setting up future votes with what he was saying
dunno feels increasingly probable that someone bussed barto - that's just kind of the feeling i get from how the game is going
oh yeah and i guess i should say EOD is again at a bad time for me but this time i'll try to actually get work in before i have to leave
i'm not sure why people are writing cape off tbh his vote on me is like textbook scum opportunism and there's nothing in the way of real thought behind it
vote: cape
https://i.gifer.com/origin/6f/6f18caea84471ba708d228d91bb56ebc_w200.gif
Just because I can find something towny about you, doesn't mean you still aren't sus to me.
Reminder that I was also defending the Wisdom slot
i'm not sure why people are writing cape off tbh his vote on me is like textbook scum opportunism and there's nothing in the way of real thought behind it
vote: cape
This is exactly a textbook wolf response to my shrug push on you
I am just trying to make sense of the claims rn. Who lied, etc... How is Visor alive if he the vest wasn't active?
I dunno what is hard to understand about
EW gave vest to Visor
Visor was the NK
Visor got protected by the vest
Something something order of operations but for PRs in a mafia game. Like vest>NK
i really dont think rask is posting like a wolf with TMI today
assuming visor was indeed the n1 nk, its hard for a wolf to say the stuff rask is saying so openly lol
https://media.giphy.com/media/jPAdK8Nfzzwt2/giphy.gif
Ladd come on
If we are to believe Syn, which I do, then Visor has to be the NK logically given Taffy is fake and 2 PR is believeable, not 3 not 1
Well I know I am going to conf-biais myself prolly but this is Cape's first sentence toDay. Sounds like someone really eagger to post he wasn't fooled by Taffy smh.
Think Ladd is town, Visor is too, Syn is too prolly (fwiw Syn, I am not the guy who kills Visor N1 every game lol. I can link a game offsite where I milked him tilll he was the last MLs). Gotta work out the rest. l8r
I kinda was. Correct.
I like being right on things
I mean cape also said yesterday at eod that he wasnt sure about taffy being real so it adds up. I dont really think thats wolfy from cape
A BP vest giver
And a 1 shot vig
Esp the later one is covered by JOAT
Anyways this is a redundant convo
this may have been spot on but we lunched the villager from the bottom 3 lol
classic
this lacks some critical thinking on cape alignment imo
like the cape sentence feels like frustration for being caught for the wrong easons rather than evaluating if cape is a villager or a wolf pushing them
rask does still have some nice posts in their iso still tho, mostly tonally; but content wise not sue I buy the stuff they are saying so far anymore
will keep reading later
I kinda read it as Cape is pushing me for bad reasons therefore he is wolf
I dunno if I would jump to him not critically evaluating me
Otherwise I would have called him out on it
Cape whats your read on rask now?
why do you have me as a villager?
14
I think Rask is still wolfy
Felt like Sleep was a better pressure vote just because paranoia on the slot
I did wanna eventually elaborate on my read on you/Jan both of you socially /solve wise stick out to me as particularly towny
At bowling alley rn so probably like tomorrow I will
see Ladd.
I mean how is this a real thought from Visor. shrug
Are u believe the mech or not?
Just to add up on this Ladd, how do you feel about Wisdom voting Sleep alone when about to die? Because like it's just another proof your expectations are just that, expectations, and not a real reason to actually wolf read someone. And you know it.
this lacks some critical thinking on my alignment imo :curtain:
Yeah that too it was a very circular argument to make to u
Anyway, reread D1. Still think Syn is town. Subian lock clear imo. Cape/Kage no posts. Sleep looks OK with good tone and own thoughts but it's not like he had any influence on the flip or willingness to push somewhere outside Syn so like possible
who is left, Visor cleared, Ender cleared.
Jan/Ladd are 'could be's. Nothing totally damning but both look like great players (I now for Ladd, Jan sounds like one) so I am not sure what is out of their range at this point. Will continue in a few.
Another thing about Jan was when I last played with Jan as wolf, he as way more underwhelming then he is here. But that was a mash so lol
ya thats something I have been considering too
how confident are you on tammy from 1 to 10? they actually look really good so I am tempted to lock them in tbh and just say kill sleep/cape/rask and win
Sleep played plenty day 1 but then just kinda fell off a cliff and part of me thinks it has to do with El Barto going down
But that's just a theory
Waitasec
Why are you voting him and not me? Iirc I’m the one you’ve had floating suspicion here and there on while thinking his posts look obvtown. If that’s ammo for us being partners, why not vote the one you’ve expressed more doubts on?
Towards EOD I saw u post something really towny which made me think I were maybe just town
Or maybe it was SOD today
I think SOD actually but since I bowling I lazy
So I have a question, does anyone have an actual read on visor that is independent of being given a bp vest that took a hit night one with us having a missing nightkill?
I do think that Ender is town. It makes sense for us to have a healer role of some sort, and it would be cruel to give the healer role to scum because we're likely to just town read that. Slight possibility it's a gambit between Visor and Ender, but that doesn't feel right especially considering their claim came after taffy claimed a doc protection, and I think most scum wouldn't go for this gambit after someone claimed doc. That and it was not really necessary. Also, I'd like to believe that if this was a scum gambit, Visor would have had a better explanation for why Ender was town come day two after pushing him day one. So yeah, town here.
I do also believe Syn's claim and that they're town. Now that we know the joat claim was a lie, my reservations about this are gone. I didn't really have many thoughts about Syn's day one play, but I did like the way they claimed and vigging monty makes sense with their day one suspicions.
Me asking if anyone has a read on visor outside of the claim isn't because I'm necessarily scum reading him, but more that I don't want to overlook something. My experience with visor is limited and I do not know how to differentiate what scum him would post like. I find his posting style as one that I tend to townread, and the only scum experience I can remember is mtgs team mafia, but my team was scum with him in that game, so I didn't really read his posts or I don't really remember anything about it except he's willing to make a big play that will garner him town-cred that he can ride home with. So, if town gave him a bp vest night one, would he no kill and claim to have been shot, and ride that to victory? One option for that being tricky is that he'd have to explain why he stayed alive beyond that, but I guess that could be mitigated by the fact that other roles would take precedence and he could always write it off as scum being concerned that the bp vest wasn't only one-shot and they didn't shoot him again to avoid another no kill.
I did like his post about wanting to keep monty and rask alive for day one. I did like the way he addressed Taffy's suspicion on him with his claim that he was no longer miselimable this game. His posting has been generally fine, but I do question the hard push on wisdom as they really didn't seem like such a lock scum read, but I don't know if he's the type to reconsider his reads in that way and I've definitely pushed suspicion on town for not doing that, so this might be nothing. I also wonder about him just accepting ender as a town bp vest giver when taffy had also claimed doc. If he's scum then he'd just know they were both town and not think anything of it. But he might not be someone who worries so much about claims, and this is nothing.
I'm perfectly fine being told this is something that I don't need to worry about and that he's just town. If I don't have any scum reads I feel good about then I'm overlooking someone, and I just want to make sure it's not here that I, or anyone else, is overlooking.
I still town read Jan and Ladd and feel good about those reads. If either one of those is wrong then lolme good job because I haven't felt suspicious about anything they've posted, and I wouldn't even begin to know how to course correct there.
Gira hasn't posted enough and enough thoughts for me to be confident here, but I am having a hard time accepting that scum him would have ended yesterday in the way that he did. Not being around for end of day either day, and yesterday removing his vote and saying maybe he'll check in to sheep, are just not ways that I think he would behave with a team. Leaving his vote somewhere is almost always a better look for him as scum than to just remove it. I suppose if wisdom/rask were both town and he felt reasonably sure they would be the two wagons and he wasn't needed there would be one reason why, but that's never a guarantee. And if he and rask are partnered, he's putting his partner in jeopardy for no reward when he could either bus or throw a vote on another wagon in hopes of saving him. He's talented enough as scum to make a bullshit reason for a vote if he can't be around for deadline. Now I realize that this is all based on my expectations for the responsibilities he would feel to a scum team, and my knowledge of that is imperfect. But I guess I'd just be surprised if this comes from him as scum.
I almost voted Rask yesterday just because it felt like even if he was town, he was never going to stop being a top scum read and maybe I should listen to the people who say this is textbook scum him, but he just doesn't feel that way. I am a sucker for things like, "I'm not getting eliminated today, you're wrong, you'll owe me an apology after the game, etc." Yes, I know scum can and do post all of these things, but he does feel a bit indignant about it. I'm not sure what to make of his post where he suggested a possible Jan/Ladd pairing. I don't think that anybody has serious suspicions of either of them, so is him raising it town who is going against the grain or scum who is floating a pair to look like they're going against the grain? Either way, he's one of the people who every time I listen to someone and think he could be scum, he posts and it feels town, so I don't know. If it weren't for him being wagoned the past two days, I'd probably just call him town and go about my day.
cape is someone that I haven't paid much attention to and have had mostly in my neutral space. I need to read there and develop an actual read. Though yesterday at eod, he did comment on my wagon partner statement with something like what do you mean partners wtf, and that read kinda townie.
yes, I know this is a lot of words without clear conclusions and no scum reads. This isn't for that purpose but more for me to organize my thoughts on each of the players off the top of my head to try to find where my weak spots are. If you are still reading this far and think I've made a dumb point or are not considering something, I'd be happy to hear it. I'm hoping to have some time tomorrow to do some rereading, but I will at the very least actually read cape and try to have a read there.
Votal 3.3
Sleep (3) - Cape (#736 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851299&viewfull=1#post2053851299)), Ender (#777 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851340&viewfull=1#post2053851340)), Jan (#796 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851359&viewfull=1#post2053851359))
Rask (2) - Syn (#721 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851284&viewfull=1#post2053851284)), Visor (#758 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851321&viewfull=1#post2053851321))
Cape (1) - Sleep (#811 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851379&viewfull=1#post2053851379))
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Another thing about Jan was when I last played with Jan as wolf, he as way more underwhelming then he is here. But that was a mash so lol
Mashes are games to be silly with friends and kill them.
Ask yogsloth for a guide to mashing beyond that.
I am still underwhelming here tbh but I should be a fairly easy read for anybody that tries.
If you are still reading this far
The joke's on you when I realized each paragraph is for a player I skipped to my name and then to the conclusion!
So much time saved ...
Regarding visor there are ~5 people in this game that are more used to his limitations. I trust myself more in reading tea leaves.
if he is alive in f3 I might look at him again, and question why.
So I have a question, does anyone have an actual read on visor that is independent of being given a bp vest that took a hit night one with us having a missing nightkill?
I do think that Ender is town. It makes sense for us to have a healer role of some sort, and it would be cruel to give the healer role to scum because we're likely to just town read that. Slight possibility it's a gambit between Visor and Ender, but that doesn't feel right especially considering their claim came after taffy claimed a doc protection, and I think most scum wouldn't go for this gambit after someone claimed doc. That and it was not really necessary. Also, I'd like to believe that if this was a scum gambit, Visor would have had a better explanation for why Ender was town come day two after pushing him day one. So yeah, town here.
I do also believe Syn's claim and that they're town. Now that we know the joat claim was a lie, my reservations about this are gone. I didn't really have many thoughts about Syn's day one play, but I did like the way they claimed and vigging monty makes sense with their day one suspicions.
Me asking if anyone has a read on visor outside of the claim isn't because I'm necessarily scum reading him, but more that I don't want to overlook something. My experience with visor is limited and I do not know how to differentiate what scum him would post like. I find his posting style as one that I tend to townread, and the only scum experience I can remember is mtgs team mafia, but my team was scum with him in that game, so I didn't really read his posts or I don't really remember anything about it except he's willing to make a big play that will garner him town-cred that he can ride home with. So, if town gave him a bp vest night one, would he no kill and claim to have been shot, and ride that to victory? One option for that being tricky is that he'd have to explain why he stayed alive beyond that, but I guess that could be mitigated by the fact that other roles would take precedence and he could always write it off as scum being concerned that the bp vest wasn't only one-shot and they didn't shoot him again to avoid another no kill.
I did like his post about wanting to keep monty and rask alive for day one. I did like the way he addressed Taffy's suspicion on him with his claim that he was no longer miselimable this game. His posting has been generally fine, but I do question the hard push on wisdom as they really didn't seem like such a lock scum read, but I don't know if he's the type to reconsider his reads in that way and I've definitely pushed suspicion on town for not doing that, so this might be nothing. I also wonder about him just accepting ender as a town bp vest giver when taffy had also claimed doc. If he's scum then he'd just know they were both town and not think anything of it. But he might not be someone who worries so much about claims, and this is nothing.
I'm perfectly fine being told this is something that I don't need to worry about and that he's just town. If I don't have any scum reads I feel good about then I'm overlooking someone, and I just want to make sure it's not here that I, or anyone else, is overlooking.
I still town read Jan and Ladd and feel good about those reads. If either one of those is wrong then lolme good job because I haven't felt suspicious about anything they've posted, and I wouldn't even begin to know how to course correct there.
Gira hasn't posted enough and enough thoughts for me to be confident here, but I am having a hard time accepting that scum him would have ended yesterday in the way that he did. Not being around for end of day either day, and yesterday removing his vote and saying maybe he'll check in to sheep, are just not ways that I think he would behave with a team. Leaving his vote somewhere is almost always a better look for him as scum than to just remove it. I suppose if wisdom/rask were both town and he felt reasonably sure they would be the two wagons and he wasn't needed there would be one reason why, but that's never a guarantee. And if he and rask are partnered, he's putting his partner in jeopardy for no reward when he could either bus or throw a vote on another wagon in hopes of saving him. He's talented enough as scum to make a bullshit reason for a vote if he can't be around for deadline. Now I realize that this is all based on my expectations for the responsibilities he would feel to a scum team, and my knowledge of that is imperfect. But I guess I'd just be surprised if this comes from him as scum.
I almost voted Rask yesterday just because it felt like even if he was town, he was never going to stop being a top scum read and maybe I should listen to the people who say this is textbook scum him, but he just doesn't feel that way. I am a sucker for things like, "I'm not getting eliminated today, you're wrong, you'll owe me an apology after the game, etc." Yes, I know scum can and do post all of these things, but he does feel a bit indignant about it. I'm not sure what to make of his post where he suggested a possible Jan/Ladd pairing. I don't think that anybody has serious suspicions of either of them, so is him raising it town who is going against the grain or scum who is floating a pair to look like they're going against the grain? Either way, he's one of the people who every time I listen to someone and think he could be scum, he posts and it feels town, so I don't know. If it weren't for him being wagoned the past two days, I'd probably just call him town and go about my day.
cape is someone that I haven't paid much attention to and have had mostly in my neutral space. I need to read there and develop an actual read. Though yesterday at eod, he did comment on my wagon partner statement with something like what do you mean partners wtf, and that read kinda townie.
yes, I know this is a lot of words without clear conclusions and no scum reads. This isn't for that purpose but more for me to organize my thoughts on each of the players off the top of my head to try to find where my weak spots are. If you are still reading this far and think I've made a dumb point or are not considering something, I'd be happy to hear it. I'm hoping to have some time tomorrow to do some rereading, but I will at the very least actually read cape and try to have a read there.
Super villagery post, i am finally cool with locking you in as villa (i prob should have done so a while ago lol)
To answer your question - i think visor is a villager also based on posting but i d probably be looking his way a bit more if not for the bpv stuff, simply cause everyone has at least something going for them so the bar for being called a villager this game is very high
i'm not sure why people are writing cape off tbh his vote on me is like textbook scum opportunism and there's nothing in the way of real thought behind it
vote: cape
I dont think anyone is really writing him off? Everyone has him PoEd afaict
Can you quote some examples of his posturing yday?
sup ladd
anything change for you overnight re raskol sleep and cape
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 08:58
Are u believe the mech or not?
Now I have cleared missunderstandings y. I was mostly confused by Ender.
Yeah that too it was a very circular argument to make to u
not sure what you expect frankly. I am town and I read nonsense used to push me. Should I not point it out?
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 09:01
NGL I read Subian's wall and it's definatly towny, but if Gemma allowed a no kill to the woofs, this is not mafia and not what I sign up for.
sup ladd
anything change for you overnight re raskol sleep and cape
everybody that knows rask says that this is not rask villa. (that is at least how the thread feels)
do you think this is a lock wolf or a chance all of you are wrong?
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 09:06
I think if ladd is a wolf he is mostly forced to push me into the poe slowly but surely because he just loses a f3 with tammy and myself.
But he doubled down on me as villa today.
Regarding visor there are ~5 people in this game that are more used to his limitations. I trust myself more in reading tea leaves.
if he is alive in f3 I might look at him again, and question why.
Sup Jan, what's up with F3? Why couldn't wolf!Ladd win before that? Would you write a town case about Ladd without resorting to it?
sup ladd
anything change for you overnight re raskol sleep and cape
sleep posting seemed slightly wolfy mostly cause the way they went on about being suspected everytime for silly reasons...doesnt really line up with how they played so far
throwing around that someone bussed but not really following it up with ~anything in that sense and instead pushing on cape doesnt inspire me with confidence either
cape pop in was w/e
I admit I am a sucker for rask posting, everytime they post I question if they are really a wolf lol but i think jan/suibian are both more be villa than rask still + you/syn knowing rask well and still thinking they are a wolf
I wouldnt really write off cape/sleep being w/w due to them voting each other today since if thats the team they have no way out anyway and no interactions before today seem non w/w afair
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 09:11
everybody that knows rask says that this is not rask villa. (that is at least how the thread feels)
do you think this is a lock wolf or a chance all of you are wrong?
Don't bother, it's prolly better I die anyway, for town chances of winning, my sanity, and the thread mood lmao. It's sad to say, but considering the numbers of clears, and considering that I have been up for the chop for 3 days nonstop because, lol my opener, I'd rather die today. Because I am not doing this to me for another week lol. Also will get to shitpost with the friendos in dvc.
Sup Jan, what's up with F3? Why couldn't wolf!Ladd win before that? Would you write a town case about Ladd without resorting to it?
Assuming the mech clears are true and my read on sui is correct then if ladd was a wolf then his partner is between sleep cape and you.
Easy math. No big surprise there.
And no I won't make a town case for ladd sorry.
I think he is a villa but he is also the one person in my core I can be wrong on.
He would be just locked in as villa but his d1 vote on el barto has a chance of bussing.
But all that read comes down to for me is does this feel like solving ladd and do I see him being opportunistic or prepping any kills on villas.
And looking for quotes about something he does not do is kind of difficult, but I gave an example earlier about him not doubting me at all today.
everybody that knows rask says that this is not rask villa. (that is at least how the thread feels)
do you think this is a lock wolf or a chance all of you are wrong?
ofc theres a chance
but heres the thing
if rasko aint a wolf, who is?
we look at sleep next and sure that looks reasonable but sleep/cape don't exactly feel aligned (unless they just decided to yolo bus to get one deep)
i could be convinced to go sleep first i guess maybe
having jan as villa is gonna be a bit meta heavy but i'll try to explain best i can without using meta too much:
Rasko jumping into the fray and basically leaving rvs 1 seconds in should read good but ..
I have trouble agreeing with several takes tbh.
Let's start with this one. Wisdom doesn't really strike me as a player who will start the game as a wolf basically asking for heat.
Which is what the initial post does.
Maybe I am missing some inside joke between the two, but Rasko has not really joked and instead played an early aggression game.
Second take is this:
In reference to this:
And I am scratching my head because Montys post in both worlds is not serious.
Copy/pasta is shitposting and partners with cuth is shitposting because cuth is not in the game.
If this was a toan read or something like that I could accept it, but that reason makes so little sense to me.
i think everyone who had this thought on rask's inital posting is a villager tbh nd i think this is a villagery observation from jan
I find myself agreeing with all of ladds words while not feeling like he added a lot new to the game. (basically only the el barto meta)
Makes me think I am good at ww or being pocketed.
Fine with either tbh.
Or we just both suck.
this lines up with how jan would treat me as a villager. It would have been easy to just throw a villa read on me for th epocket but there is that hint of paranoia that a villager has
don't bother. I have accepted my fate as n1 sacrifice.
this is 100% meta read but I just bought his answer and self confidence to me even throwing his name around as possible wolf
Still alive?
Odd kill.
I am not really happy about that flip tbh.
~no wolf says this about a wolf flip imo lol
(and again lines up with how jan feels baout this type of stuff)
I had one vote all day and that was barto based on his first and only post.
Everybody that has any idea how to read me had me as villager.
The main reason for me not to die is because some people don't know me.
again, villagery self-confidence and I buy he thinks this
Kind of why ladd and you are not in my actual villa circle and have your own separate slots.
I can easily see wolf!ladd putting down this vote expecting it to be offwagon.
Again not where I want to look right now.
His vote still killed a wolf in the end.
and here he could have easily just be going for the pocket on me/cisor but again he keeps us at arms lenght with that villagery paranoia
will stop quoting but then he has:
- the questioning of syn claim which is >rand v cause wolves would know it's real and i dont really see them questioning it that much, especially since jan even tried to link syn to me
- the reaction to finding out visor was the nk was funny but also genuinely villagery
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 09:23
ofc theres a chance
but heres the thing
if rasko aint a wolf, who is?
we look at sleep next and sure that looks reasonable but sleep/cape don't exactly feel aligned (unless they just decided to yolo bus to get one deep)
You just nailed why I am so desesperated about this game. The consensus POE is so narrowed at this point in the game and gotta say it, wrong if it's not exactly sleep/Cape. And I am kindof writing it off because of OGI reasons (three no-shows as wolves? come on). Like this thread feels litterally wolf-driven to me since SOD2.
Of course you all need my flip to realise it.
I hope it will help you.
You just nailed why I am so desesperated about this game. The consensus POE is so narrowed at this point in the game and gotta say it, wrong if it's not exactly sleep/Cape. And I am kindof writing it off because of OGI reasons (three no-shows as wolves? come on). Like this thread feels litterally wolf-driven to me since SOD2.
Of course you all need my flip to realise it.
I hope it will help you.
who do you think are the wolves then, ladd/jan?
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 09:26
~no wolf says this about a wolf flip imo lol
a wolf would say this reading Monty's flip and not Visor's :curtain:
(ngl I was amused by this post from Jan, because it's certainly, how to say it, odd. I don't think there are a lot of villagers who write things down like this either)
we look at sleep next and sure that looks reasonable but sleep/cape don't exactly feel aligned (unless they just decided to yolo bus to get one deep)
i mean - what else are they gonna do if thats the team?
i think cape/rask are much more not w/w than sleep/cape tbh
cape actually had a vote that risked killing rask in a spot where it would have been v tough to win being down 2 wolves and with so many clears
the question of the game is p much just : is el barto wagon pure?
even without taking into account the votes per se, i have an hard time seeing you/jan/suibian as wolves rn (ironically without the bpv stuff i think i'd def be at least considering you)
if someone thinks otherwise plz show me the way
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 09:29
who do you think are the wolves then, ladd/jan?
yeah or one of them + Cape. Like I don't really feel sleep as wolf. Or he gave up with El Barto flip. That's still possible
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 09:31
Tx Ladd for the post about Jan :thumbsup:
I love that ladds villa read on me is about my paranoia on him and my villa read on him is because he isn't paranoid about me.
Precious.
yeah or one of them + Cape. Like I don't really feel sleep as wolf. Or he gave up with El Barto flip. That's still possible
walk me through it
why cant it be me
why cant it be tammy
I love that ladds villa read on me is about my paranoia on him and my villa read on him is because he isn't paranoid about me.
Precious.
eheh
its honestly also a lot about toan/how i expect you to think (example: wrt the wolves being the people not showing up) but i find that part harder to put into words so i kinda skipped over it
hope i am not wrong or it'd be embarassing :curtain:
i'll say that everytime rask posts i doubt they are a wolf tbh
maybe i am a sucker tho
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eheh
its honestly also a lot about toan/how i expect you to think (example: wrt the wolves being the people not showing up) but i find that part harder to put into words so i kinda skipped over it
hope i am not wrong or it'd be embarassing :curtain:
My favorite old-school read on me is that I am funny as a villager and more forced as a wolf.
I have fooled that one before but I am always amused by it.
Like this thread feels litterally wolf-driven to me since SOD2.
by who? me and jan?
cause d2 jan didnt do much at all and i was pushing an agenda that lined up with yours IYAM
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I think Rask is still wolfy
Felt like Sleep was a better pressure vote just because paranoia on the slot
What does this mean?
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Votal 3.3 (again but with a timer)
Sleep (3) - Cape (#736 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851299&viewfull=1#post2053851299)), Ender (#777 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851340&viewfull=1#post2053851340)), Jan (#796 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851359&viewfull=1#post2053851359))
Rask (2) - Syn (#721 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851284&viewfull=1#post2053851284)), Visor (#758 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851321&viewfull=1#post2053851321))
Cape (1) - Sleep (#811 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851379&viewfull=1#post2053851379))
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eod3
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 10:35
walk me through it
why cant it be me
why cant it be tammy
Tammy I addressed it yesterday irl. Like if Tammy is scum, el barto never flips D1.
You I have also talked about. The only way you are scum is with Syn and this game is bastard (scum vig allowed to shoot wolves or no kills allowed) so I just dont want to consider it smh.
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 10:38
by who? me and jan?
cause d2 jan didnt do much at all and i was pushing an agenda that lined up with yours IYAM
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I have to go for several hours but i am planning to reread D2 like 6/7 hours before EOD, will try to articulate this then
am i a moron if when rereading d1
it makes me want to kill ender
LOL
Vote: siubian
yeehaw
i'm changing tactics
just realised that they never mentioned barto once d1 lol
just voted there with no words - weird that if you are going to be that stingy with the vote that when you make it (and presumably make it count) that you say nothing at the time
the game feels like it is in a weird state at the moment where i feel like we are misreading villagers for the right reasons
and that is probably just because el busso
plus the everyone is so town attitude where the rest of us slam our face into bricks trying to make something out of nothing and we go aroudn in circiles
idk, just feel like this is something to explore, and i like suibian + sleep as a team more than raskol + sleep if only because making that vote like that gives you late game cred if you know you have to solo the game
Are you saying me tone reading you is dumb because your scum range is that wide? Like you're going hahahaha I will make you paranoid! It's totally fine just fine. I'm good at reevaluating.
vote barto
I expected there to be more posts to get rid of the tie. Do you guys really want to keep the tie?
just... idk if i buy this progression as a villager
makes the vote with 11 minutes to go, no fanfare, no getting people on the wagon, no convincing anyone else you are right, just place the vote and... watch.
i get the feeling this was calculated - make a vote that you can point to later, don't bring attention to it so theres a chance it doesn't go over (especially with a big tie and nobody at eod talking abotu barto)
like yes, can just be a villager making a correct vote, but i feel like there is something to explore here with the actions
its the kind of play i would make with two inactive partners because i know i have to play deep
Is that you agreeing your hard to read?
What is your read on him so far this game?
~~~
Considering sheeping Jan.
Not sure what else you want me to say about a no poster, but I’d already stated I was thinking about voting him and Jan responded. I’m not sure what kind of fanfare I’m supposed to have on a no poster I didn’t have a read on but sure that’s an argument I guess
I don’t know all of this feels like I struck a nerve, and your response is to fling shit to see if it sticks.
~~~
If you guys don’t allow no kills here then my concern might be wrong outside of exactly a visor/syn pairing where they got the no vest, shot Monty for the night kill to use as a big shot when it came time to claim but that feels too tricky. I’ve never seen a no kill disallowed though.
I’m sorry it just registered that you posited I’d make that vote in a sleep me pairing because I’d get late game cred if I knew I had to solo the game and I’m :laugh4:
You’ve gravely insulted sleep and I think you should apologize.
I probably shouldn’t find this as funny as I do, and maybe it’s the lack of sleep (not player) but I can’t stop giggling over imagining this. Outside of being in a hydra with someone competent, even at my most confident as scum, which was never great, I never day one thought I would go deep. So imagining me thinking this in a team with sleep of all people, yeah I’m just gonna carry this with me throughout the day. Poor deadbeat scum player sleep carried by super scary Tammy RAWR. lol thank you.
EnderWiggin
11-02-2023, 14:16
I've seen No Kills allowed but tbh would be surprised to see anyone do that N1.
I'd consider it more likely that Syn fake-claimed the shot.
EnderWiggin
11-02-2023, 14:18
I have had a day.
EnderWiggin
11-02-2023, 14:19
I do find it funny that when I read up and start to doubt my solve because Sui posts a wallpost that I kinda liked the content of Visor is now agreeing with it.
EnderWiggin
11-02-2023, 14:20
I think Rask exists in that weird space where he's very sus and continues to be sus but I think is probably town.
Yes this is a dumb read but I'm sticking to it. The back and forth EOD yesterday just felt town.
I've seen No Kills allowed but tbh would be surprised to see anyone do that N1.
I'd consider it more likely that Syn fake-claimed the shot.
Have you seen anything concerning from syn? Is the way they’ve gone after Rask normal for them?
y'all really saving rask another day huh
y'all really saving rask another day huh
For you. Mostly.
vote: Raskolnikov
Can you talk about why we should vote Rask?
Don't bother, it's prolly better I die anyway, for town chances of winning, my sanity, and the thread mood lmao. It's sad to say, but considering the numbers of clears, and considering that I have been up for the chop for 3 days nonstop because, lol my opener, I'd rather die today. Because I am not doing this to me for another week lol. Also will get to shitpost with the friendos in dvc.
Anyway, this is going nowhere lmao. THe few people I TR are just wolf reading me so I am not sure who I can speak to. Feel free to maj me and make my life easier rn. idgs.
May post more about stuff l8r, but I am definatly tired of defending myself because people are just ISOing, lacking context, and just unwilling to put someonelse shoes.
You just nailed why I am so desesperated about this game. The consensus POE is so narrowed at this point in the game and gotta say it, wrong if it's not exactly sleep/Cape. And I am kindof writing it off because of OGI reasons (three no-shows as wolves? come on). Like this thread feels litterally wolf-driven to me since SOD2.
Of course you all need my flip to realise it.
I hope it will help you.
If I was a villager with traction d1 and as counterwagon d2 then I would be more alarmed and up in arms than Rask is.
These posts happened only after I made this post:
I am kind of sad that I didn't see rask panic more about yesterday being v/v wagons with little momentum to change.
That would have been my perspective as v in that position. Both of them voted off wagon and the only person who was not involved in the two main wagons is Taffy.
To me that change in perspective without actually feeling like somebody panicking and more like somebody doing what is expected does not add up.
And that could easily be a language barrier thing because rask and I are both not native (based on tasks country in the profile), but it rubbed me the wrong way tbh.
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 21:43
Fwiw Jan, these posts have nothing to do with yours. Because it doesn't work like this. I don't have to meet your expectations about what is a villager. If you are one, it's your job to find me. But I am more and more convinced you aren't one anyway so moot point I guess.
like
For you. Mostly.
vote: Raskolnikov
has prolly been decided a long time ago.
-----------------------
One thing I wanna say before backreading is that I didn't like Suibian reaction to Visor push. I can certainly relate since I have been sussed since game start and it's really annoying but iirc, it was just the second time (anyone corrects me here if I am wrong) someone dared to say Suibian might not be a villager and she eructed both times. Not sure that's AI, because I don't know her and it could be a lot of things, but felt like mentionning it. (because both time it was noticable).
I am gonna be real
Idk if i have the balls to lunch rask
Bbiab
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 21:53
Might as well
Vote: Jan
(Visor, I am considering your posts about Suibian. It's just so different from what I'd do as a wolf in that case, dunno. like I would hope for a no-show to gym up D2, rather than bus them D1... to me it's just the less probable bus from Tak wagon but I will certainly consider it)
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 21:56
I am gonna be real
Idk if i have the balls to lunch rask
Bbiab
I am gonna burn a post to say this is sig worthy.
:bow:
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 22:08
As a side note:
Last time I remember ladd pushing with generic takes on me he was wolf and I only got saved by Vulgard hero-shotting him.
EnderWiggin: How do you feel about Ladd now?
(note to self: check Ladd's reaction to Ender's claim at EOD)
Okay so I am gonna just outline why I have ladd as town cuz they wanted to hear bout that
1. Today I mean it's pretty clear to me that you are solving Rask. You have provided good arguments for and against Rask. I was also getting the vibe that Rask was mad at being sussed for the wrong reasons, like, I introduced the word "potato(e)" to his vocab this game LOL.
2. I believe you are the player who is thinking the most critically about the game out of anyone else and doing so in a way which I doubt is fakeable.
3. Wanted to mention I also liked the Jan post #841 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851409&viewfull=1#post2053851409). Like the points I could follow were towny to me. Even the whole "I will be the d1 sacrifice" thing is technically a whole town tell, meta or no meta.
4. This defense of me is villagery #755 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851318&viewfull=1#post2053851318)
5. The ego post thing here is towny #463 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851024&viewfull=1#post2053851024) also this #436 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850994&viewfull=1#post2053850994) about the NK
6. Push on EnderWiggin just felt villagery to me even though he's very likely PR. Like even before then though I felt the v/v violence energy coming from the post, like town like to sus for arbitrary things like SHROOPing no offense :p.
has prolly been decided a long time ago.
Nah. I went into the day thinking sleep is likely the kill today.
I opened up to killing you around the time when I asked the people wolf-reading you on how sure they are.
When Syn made the post I decided to follow because your play today felt fake and when Sui asked about why I decided to sum my feelings up.
*shrug*
I had a shred of paranoia that Rask tinfoiling a world where the wolves were Jan/ladd lacked critical thought
I was also getting the vibe that Rask was mad at being sussed for the wrong reasons
Do you think this is alignment indicative?
So I have a question, does anyone have an actual read on visor that is independent of being given a bp vest that took a hit night one with us having a missing nightkill?
I do think that Ender is town. It makes sense for us to have a healer role of some sort, and it would be cruel to give the healer role to scum because we're likely to just town read that. Slight possibility it's a gambit between Visor and Ender, but that doesn't feel right especially considering their claim came after taffy claimed a doc protection, and I think most scum wouldn't go for this gambit after someone claimed doc. That and it was not really necessary. Also, I'd like to believe that if this was a scum gambit, Visor would have had a better explanation for why Ender was town come day two after pushing him day one. So yeah, town here.
I do also believe Syn's claim and that they're town. Now that we know the joat claim was a lie, my reservations about this are gone. I didn't really have many thoughts about Syn's day one play, but I did like the way they claimed and vigging monty makes sense with their day one suspicions.
Me asking if anyone has a read on visor outside of the claim isn't because I'm necessarily scum reading him, but more that I don't want to overlook something. My experience with visor is limited and I do not know how to differentiate what scum him would post like. I find his posting style as one that I tend to townread, and the only scum experience I can remember is mtgs team mafia, but my team was scum with him in that game, so I didn't really read his posts or I don't really remember anything about it except he's willing to make a big play that will garner him town-cred that he can ride home with. So, if town gave him a bp vest night one, would he no kill and claim to have been shot, and ride that to victory? One option for that being tricky is that he'd have to explain why he stayed alive beyond that, but I guess that could be mitigated by the fact that other roles would take precedence and he could always write it off as scum being concerned that the bp vest wasn't only one-shot and they didn't shoot him again to avoid another no kill.
I did like his post about wanting to keep monty and rask alive for day one. I did like the way he addressed Taffy's suspicion on him with his claim that he was no longer miselimable this game. His posting has been generally fine, but I do question the hard push on wisdom as they really didn't seem like such a lock scum read, but I don't know if he's the type to reconsider his reads in that way and I've definitely pushed suspicion on town for not doing that, so this might be nothing. I also wonder about him just accepting ender as a town bp vest giver when taffy had also claimed doc. If he's scum then he'd just know they were both town and not think anything of it. But he might not be someone who worries so much about claims, and this is nothing.
I'm perfectly fine being told this is something that I don't need to worry about and that he's just town. If I don't have any scum reads I feel good about then I'm overlooking someone, and I just want to make sure it's not here that I, or anyone else, is overlooking.
I still town read Jan and Ladd and feel good about those reads. If either one of those is wrong then lolme good job because I haven't felt suspicious about anything they've posted, and I wouldn't even begin to know how to course correct there.
Gira hasn't posted enough and enough thoughts for me to be confident here, but I am having a hard time accepting that scum him would have ended yesterday in the way that he did. Not being around for end of day either day, and yesterday removing his vote and saying maybe he'll check in to sheep, are just not ways that I think he would behave with a team. Leaving his vote somewhere is almost always a better look for him as scum than to just remove it. I suppose if wisdom/rask were both town and he felt reasonably sure they would be the two wagons and he wasn't needed there would be one reason why, but that's never a guarantee. And if he and rask are partnered, he's putting his partner in jeopardy for no reward when he could either bus or throw a vote on another wagon in hopes of saving him. He's talented enough as scum to make a bullshit reason for a vote if he can't be around for deadline. Now I realize that this is all based on my expectations for the responsibilities he would feel to a scum team, and my knowledge of that is imperfect. But I guess I'd just be surprised if this comes from him as scum.
I almost voted Rask yesterday just because it felt like even if he was town, he was never going to stop being a top scum read and maybe I should listen to the people who say this is textbook scum him, but he just doesn't feel that way. I am a sucker for things like, "I'm not getting eliminated today, you're wrong, you'll owe me an apology after the game, etc." Yes, I know scum can and do post all of these things, but he does feel a bit indignant about it. I'm not sure what to make of his post where he suggested a possible Jan/Ladd pairing. I don't think that anybody has serious suspicions of either of them, so is him raising it town who is going against the grain or scum who is floating a pair to look like they're going against the grain? Either way, he's one of the people who every time I listen to someone and think he could be scum, he posts and it feels town, so I don't know. If it weren't for him being wagoned the past two days, I'd probably just call him town and go about my day.
cape is someone that I haven't paid much attention to and have had mostly in my neutral space. I need to read there and develop an actual read. Though yesterday at eod, he did comment on my wagon partner statement with something like what do you mean partners wtf, and that read kinda townie.
yes, I know this is a lot of words without clear conclusions and no scum reads. This isn't for that purpose but more for me to organize my thoughts on each of the players off the top of my head to try to find where my weak spots are. If you are still reading this far and think I've made a dumb point or are not considering something, I'd be happy to hear it. I'm hoping to have some time tomorrow to do some rereading, but I will at the very least actually read cape and try to have a read there.
Just knowing Visor usually gets sussed out a lot as town, I think Visor's been pretty villagery this game.
I do townread this sort of outlined thought process on every read, I wish that I was able to outline my reads like this,after I catch up I should look into Gira's EOD it looks like cuz I don't recall anything from it
Do you think this is alignment indicative?
Dunno Rask well enough to determine that
Hate to hedge but sometimes it is sometimes it isn't
I kinda think Rask voting Jan is sorta villagery as a sidenote
as much as wolves like to be off wagon :p
i ended up not having the time, really sorry. i will have more time tomorow but in all hoesty you should probably just vote me today, game needs to re-eval and i don't think it'll happen until i flip
i didn't like cape's posting at EOD - it felt posture-y in terms of how he seemed to setting up future votes with what he was saying
i honestly could see this take though just because i didn't really think it was Wisdom so I was just looking mostly in other places until like my very last post, and then Wisdom towntold and i dont think self pressed so i was like, yeah i aint voting wisdom
oh yeah Sleep wasn't there for EOD, like Sleep just kinda unvoted
I think it's probably NAI
Might be scummy since PRs kinda outed at that point so like, why just abstain ur vote???
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 22:26
Frankly Cape, I am sure you can be more than just a disrespectfull cunt. So maybe it's time to remember it and get back within the limits friendo. Whatever your alignment is.
Also your meta about Visor is off. He isn't cryptic or anything as a villager. He is very findable smh. (insert polarised meme here)
i ended up not having the time, really sorry. i will have more time tomorow but in all hoesty you should probably just vote me today, game needs to re-eval and i don't think it'll happen until i flip
do you still think this game is easy for town?
Frankly Cape, I am sure you can be more than just a disrespectfull cunt. So maybe it's time to remember it and get back within the limits friendo. Whatever your alignment is.
Also your meta about Visor is off. He isn't cryptic or anything as a villager. He is very findable smh. (insert polarised meme here)
I do believe the word cunt is not acceptable in any country outside of Australia.
- not sure visor's reasoning in #400 is great, i have seen scum go all in on trying to save a partner day 1 in the hope the risky play works, and if he hadn't voted monty there his progression would have been suspect. this is especially true if the other partner is potentially not around to do much - losing a teammate there might put him in the hole irrevocably. as it is it feels like the POE is pretty narrow to me and i have less reason to claer ender than other people
In terms of arguments against Visor, there is this Suibian
#400 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850953&viewfull=1#post2053850953)
Even though it's like, Ender likely town, I do still agree though with the sentiment presented in Sleep's post over Visor's point
In terms of arguments against Visor, there is this Suibian
#400 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850953&viewfull=1#post2053850953)
Even though it's like, Ender likely town, I do still agree though with the sentiment presented in Sleep's post over Visor's point
Yeah, I would agree with this except with Ender giving Visor the bp vest, he had to change the read he had from the day before and that's difficult to do. It's like when someone has a cop clear on someone they previously suspected and have to explain their turn around; it's often sloppy.
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 22:51
Very sure Syn is town #164 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850704&viewfull=1#post2053850704)
#226 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850767&viewfull=1#post2053850767)
Why was Syn a villager to you back then?
(what in these posts made you feel that way?)
If I was a villager with traction d1 and as counterwagon d2 then I would be more alarmed and up in arms than Rask is.
These posts happened only after I made this post:
To me that change in perspective without actually feeling like somebody panicking and more like somebody doing what is expected does not add up.
And that could easily be a language barrier thing because rask and I are both not native (based on tasks country in the profile), but it rubbed me the wrong way tbh.
I don't follow on why he should have more panicking about there being v/v wagons. Did he have a strong town read on wisdom? I've scrolled to see, but I don't see it and he said at end of day to yeet within wisdom, cape and sleep, which suggests that he thought that wisdom could be scum? (I wish iso's here gave you the whole post because it's hard to scan quickly for that.)
The posts about being willing to go today to help the game do feel a little off in that his response to me saying that I was considering voting him for pragmatic reasons felt like a bit annoyance. In retrospect, I wish I did because I think wisdom would have been better able to town themselves and not be a big source of suspicion today than rask. I suppose it could just be suspicion fatigue and a change of heart, but it felt a bit off with the reaction from yesterday.
I don't quite understand why he thinks the thread feels wolf-driven since sod2. His suspicions are mostly cape/sleep, but the loudest pusher of reads is visor, who he town reads. I get that he's now floating you/ladd, but it doesn't feel like you guys are driving the game, at least in the way that I think of driving the game, so that feels a bit off.
I do wish that Syn would explain the read!
Frankly Cape, I am sure you can be more than just a disrespectfull cunt. So maybe it's time to remember it and get back within the limits friendo. Whatever your alignment is.
Also your meta about Visor is off. He isn't cryptic or anything as a villager. He is very findable smh. (insert polarised meme here)
I am, but nobody likes finding me :p
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 23:05
Wanted to look back at the slots I feel like I have barely looked at.
So Suibian... even though they did kinda vote on El Barto... anyways
This is either really towny or really wolfy and IDK which XD
Suibian did say this... kinda generic, but also explains why they wouldn't go Monty there
Another thing that I also read as either really towny or really wolfy.
I don't really like this given the Monty flip, like they both very much bother me and Sleep looks good IMO bringing attention to this.
#203 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850744&viewfull=1#post2053850744)
I get pocket-y vibes here...
#166 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850706&viewfull=1#post2053850706)
#167 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850707&viewfull=1#post2053850707)
These posts are fine, I could see how one could townread the second thing, less so the first thing. Also all the things Suibian pointed out are from 167 and not 166 at all, just wanted to point that fact out.
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Yeah let's pretend the obvious town part never happened, though I see where I got that read. I kinda gutread their ISO as wolfy though just looking at it and seeing also how post length also kinda took a back seat (this was mentioning that they didn't like posting like that) (but they did anyways which is ~:confused:)
Don't like their Monty treatment really, if there is a busser, I think it's here more so then Visor
What's your current read on Suibian? NGL the bold part made me giggle.
Raskolnikov
11-02-2023, 23:14
In terms of arguments against Visor, there is this Suibian
#400 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850953&viewfull=1#post2053850953)
Even though it's like, Ender likely town, I do still agree though with the sentiment presented in Sleep's post over Visor's point
Also it is definatly striking me that you have been steadily calling my posts out, just to borrow some arguments later on. Well actually I didn't articulate it iirc but that was still clear enough, so like, that's wolfy Cape. (you can change your mind ofc, but that's still wolf agenda :p)
PS: note this read is obsolete and, as Suibian posted, the turnaround awkwardness from Visor was to be expected considering N1 events
vote:sleep
gonna make a placeholder since it worked well last time :curtain:
i dont think rask/cape are w/w so either sleep is a wolf or something went terribly wrong
personally i dont think rask is a wolf anymore (and if they are, they can only be with sleep or suibian) but if syn/visor still think so they know rask better than me so go with god. I doubt I'll be voting them
EnderWiggin
11-02-2023, 23:21
Have you seen anything concerning from syn? Is the way they’ve gone after Rask normal for them?
Ngl I just assumed Syn town because at least 2 town PRs makes sense to me. So I haven't really thought about their posts.
I am not gonna be SHOCKED if the PoE is somehow wrong but idk to me jan feels like a villager, suibian feels like a villager, visor is a villager, syn/ender have super believable claims so if any of these guis are wolves idk if i am getting there today
Ngl I just assumed Syn town because at least 2 town PRs makes sense to me. So I haven't really thought about their posts.
I'm currently rereading through the game to read through cape, and I've read a bunch of syn posts that have me back to not worrying about them.
I think I mostly got worried because the only thing I remember from today is a couple pop-ins that are just "rask scum". Which might not be fair actually. The beginning of the week is my busiest time, so I definitely could have missed some posts, but regardless I think I'm over that concern.
i may be up for EoD if I decide to watch some nba
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EnderWiggin
11-02-2023, 23:27
EnderWiggin: How do you feel about Ladd now?
(note to self: check Ladd's reaction to Ender's claim at EOD)
Mmmmm.
I have a lot of thoughts. And not many are clear.
I still think their shift on me/other things D1 feels inherently like what I have for their wolf game but I am over-associating their pushing with that one wolf game.
I probably should do a reread but 1. too tired rn and 2. I still don't think I'm giving up my Sui/Sleep world yet.
here is the silly take of the day:
jan/suibian FEEL the same alignment to me, just their dynamic and how they are playing with each other feels like either it's 2 villagers who found each other or they are (somehow) both wolves
w/v feels weird
Frankly Cape, I am sure you can be more than just a disrespectfull cunt. So maybe it's time to remember it and get back within the limits friendo. Whatever your alignment is.
Also your meta about Visor is off. He isn't cryptic or anything as a villager. He is very findable smh. (insert polarised meme here)
I'm sorry. I am just really bad at explaining things sometimes, I'm not trying to come off that way on purpose. Like in my recent posts I know I have mostly been blunt posting.
Anyways I will reread ur logs because I really do not think you have been all that scummy at least today. There is a reason why I am voting Sleep over you and I am not convinced that he's mafia either but I just find so many other people just villagery this game that it is hard for me to look outside a kinda narrow lens admittedly. And that's the nature of mid game unfortunately.
You just nailed why I am so desesperated about this game. The consensus POE is so narrowed at this point in the game and gotta say it, wrong if it's not exactly sleep/Cape. And I am kindof writing it off because of OGI reasons (three no-shows as wolves? come on). Like this thread feels litterally wolf-driven to me since SOD2.
Of course you all need my flip to realise it.
I hope it will help you.
I feel like I haven't been driving the game in any direction though I think some of the people that have been calling for your death are quite villagery like Syn/ladd from my POV.
Do you disagree that I haven't had that much influence over people voting you?
Anyway, reread D1. Still think Syn is town. Subian lock clear imo. Cape/Kage no posts. Sleep looks OK with good tone and own thoughts but it's not like he had any influence on the flip or willingness to push somewhere outside Syn so like possible
who is left, Visor cleared, Ender cleared.
Jan/Ladd are 'could be's. Nothing totally damning but both look like great players (I now for Ladd, Jan sounds like one) so I am not sure what is out of their range at this point. Will continue in a few.
Like I don't disagree with these thoughts. I have wanted to look more into Jan even though I have found his general presence towny, I know when I took notes when I subbed into the game I had my concerns about Jan
not sure what you expect frankly. I am town and I read nonsense used to push me. Should I not point it out?
This was all more directed at ladd, like I read ladd's post and it just felt like it was building up to a predictable answer
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I mean if you looked back Rask, my vote on you was me literally voting on a null read, it was more of like a "this is better then nothing option". I do kinda like to "talk up" my votes though.
when I said "???" to
what would that do for you?
That wasn't me shading the post, that was me just being confused on what it meant, it's probably irrelevant though since ir was the 30th post of the thread but still.
I'm not exactly sure what the die potato thing was exactly XD I think I was in agreement with Syn at the time though.
Besides, I didn't really provide good content anyways in regards to my reads in general becaue im not at all sold on this Sleep v read I had before #350 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850903&viewfull=1#post2053850903)
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Jan/Ladd looks possible (food for thought if none of them died by SOD4) to me D1: like a lot of cheap interactions and questions that look like "hey, I will help my partner here". Also the reasonning for voting El Barto just look the same (LHF, placeholder oops didn't come back).
This is more reasoning then I thought there was in my head on the ladd/Jan world tbh. But I don't really know what you mean without you pointing what they posted, idk I just like having all of my info in one place personally, i know it can be kinda hard with the quote system, thats why i usually click on like the quote link things so i can see the whole convo.
Nah it's not that.
I don't do these questions for jinx. I do them to get words, shake things, get reads eventually (and sometimes mock Visor). That's the process at least.
Of course, Wifom, etc... but really these questions left in the air more lilely come from someone who couldn't get back to the thread rather than a wolf etc. That's what I meant.
Also, I don't automatically assume lol. It still isn't clear for me that you are reading me in good faith. I mean you posted "die potatoe" when we have had exactly 0 chat friendo :D
between this and the last post i quoted, i really do not have a lot to say over there, and i know i have already commented on this but
i think in a game like this, it is hard to really get real time interactions with each player really, esp since looking at your posts, your posts usually are not actually consisting of that and I think it just has to do with the nature of this game
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You were mentioning some stuff in post #500 about EW
Good luck getting as much effort about any of my other reads this phase.
My other sort of scumread rn is Jan.
Mostly cause (and this is going to sound self-centred I know), the following post:
It feels like the lame-duck style I see often used to shade people without directly attacking them.
I also don't know Jan that well so this is a wild hipshot of a read but I feel good about it.
You mentioned this post, do you think this is a possible good argument on Jan being a wolf? I initially did kinda think this when I was just starting the game tbh
Did think #503 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851064&viewfull=1#post2053851064) was villagery from u and it was what i was referring to EOD of day 2
lol bub.
the "very good" means exactly that I was starting to worry about this slot because Taffy sounded tonally different from past games but I don't have to wonder about it now because they are selfresolving. "Very good" as in, with Syn kinda out of thde chopping block too, I just have to find 4 more villagers to get a game winning POE.
lol idk it just looked weird
Man the more I am just staring at the ISO of Rask the less convinced he's wolf to me so yeah
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 00:11
Uh this is a post about Wisdom
I kinda wolfread this, but idk if those reasons are at all good.
eh I don't like this post very much
So I saw other people townreading Taffy for this similar thing, but not townreading you for it
Opinions on that Wisdom?
idk how to feel about this
i see a lot of townreads on Rask and I just remember looking at his posts and having a negative reaction to most of them LOL
So the 1 slot Wisdom has been inconsistent on is Syn so I will keep that in mind.
IDK I have found Syn jokey as town before i think
i feel that honestly :p
i kinda like this post though tbh
this seemed like a v/v thing with Sleep/Syn tbh (with how Syn responded to this point later on tbh) (and those are the townpoints I award Syn), but kinda looks better for Sleep
I don't get the unvote though a whole post later. Vibe thing?
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Sleep im still calling town
generically wolfy questioning (more so the 2nd/3rd).
Yeah, I also felt this when looking at Ender.
This does outline my problems I had with Raskol's postings pretty well honestly.
???
This post also bothered me, but i also recognize it was very early on in the day
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I am actually just more neutral now on Rask though, there just isn't enough there for me to feel strongly on
I think this string of posts shows what problem I have had with Cape the whole game tbh: they are mostly descriptive or feed backs from how he feels about things... but he very rarely articulates why he feels that way, how these things are AI (Syn was jokey as town once? coolbean tbh).
(special note: he voted me the next post after his "I am actually just more neutral now on Rask though, there just isn't enough there for me to feel strongly on", and later one voted me again just after a post where he mentions I hit my town marks, that vote sticked to EOD).
Last post i have for today
Wisdom ur post u made in response to me actually makes no sense and im considering in this post voting you over rask
What is ur sleep vote??
I wont vote u for this
like Rask has talked about his own previous posts which is a towntell
Suibian has been consistently unsure of themselves all game and has made sure to let everyone know that, kinda GtH town though just if i were to assume 1 PR = mafia
WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY PARTNERS WHAT????
I think Taffy is most likely fake if there were to be a faker in the bunch, Syn has too many town points, but ig Taffy's claim and when they did it weren't bad tbh so idk, that's why im not voting between that today, feels like they will resolve themselves if PR
uh
ladd is still town
as i said EnderWiggin's claim obviously holds
uh
Sleep is underwhelming me today which is making me tinfoil him
k thx bye
Might be stupid, but I liked the MY PARTNERS WHAT in response to me saying I was going to vote with my wagon partners from day one. This post came just a couple minutes after my post, so it felt like a knee jerk reaction to that, which I guess is fake-able, but I expected him to push me on that.
And here he talks about not quite believing Taffy's claim, so does he kill Taffy while not quite believing the claim?
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 00:45
I'm sorry. I am just really bad at explaining things sometimes, I'm not trying to come off that way on purpose. Like in my recent posts I know I have mostly been blunt posting. Same, apologies.
Anyways I will reread ur logs because I really do not think you have been all that scummy at least today. There is a reason why I am voting Sleep over you and I am not convinced that he's mafia either but I just find so many other people just villagery this game that it is hard for me to look outside a kinda narrow lens admittedly. And that's the nature of mid game unfortunately.
I feel like I haven't been driving the game in any direction though I think some of the people that have been calling for your death are quite villagery like Syn/ladd from my POV.
Do you disagree that I haven't had that much influence over people voting you? I don't know. BUt you have smh been the left woofer booming "Rask is wolfing" itt constantly (the right one being Syn), and tbh even if you have voted me several times, it doesn't feel like you are endorsing these votes, could bring up quotes about this (unlike Syn who won't rest till he can dance over my dead body for instance). It feels like shades/agenda to me.
Like I don't disagree with these thoughts. I have wanted to look more into Jan even though I have found his general presence towny, I know when I took notes when I subbed into the game I had my concerns about Jan
This was all more directed at ladd, like I read ladd's post and it just felt like it was building up to a predictable answer
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I mean if you looked back Rask, my vote on you was me literally voting on a null read, it was more of like a "this is better then nothing option". I do kinda like to "talk up" my votes though. See above
when I said "???" to
That wasn't me shading the post, that was me just being confused on what it meant, it's probably irrelevant though since ir was the 30th post of the thread but still. I understand it might be cryptic if you aren't reading it live or itt (ISOs bring distortion), but I wanted to know Ender's motivations, if he was eager to push Monty for raisins. Ofc that's one of the many things I have to improve villaging, ie ask questions in a way people can't escape with a "I am lazy" or just see what I am looking for beforehand. tsktsk
I'm not exactly sure what the die potato thing was exactly XD I think I was in agreement with Syn at the time though. fair enough. NGL I have potatoed a lot reading you, I remember the Champ mash at TS this year where I missread you terribly and u got chopped (but most of my other wolf reads were goated and I ate the N1 so I didn't feel bad about it then :p), so I can understand the background. Moving on.
Besides, I didn't really provide good content anyways in regards to my reads in general becaue im not at all sold on this Sleep v read I had before #350 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053850903&viewfull=1#post2053850903)
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This is more reasoning then I thought there was in my head on the ladd/Jan world tbh. But I don't really know what you mean without you pointing what they posted, idk I just like having all of my info in one place personally, i know it can be kinda hard with the quote system, thats why i usually click on like the quote link things so i can see the whole convo.
between this and the last post i quoted, i really do not have a lot to say over there, and i know i have already commented on this but
i think in a game like this, it is hard to really get real time interactions with each player really, esp since looking at your posts, your posts usually are not actually consisting of that and I think it just has to do with the nature of this game
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You were mentioning some stuff in post #500 about EW
You mentioned this post, do you think this is a possible good argument on Jan being a wolf? I initially did kinda think this when I was just starting the game tbh I read it, and it was a may be Ender is right. The thing about Jan is that he is a very good candidate for a deep wolf, and this game prolly has one or two unless it's exactly sleep/you. So I have started looking at him differently because he, out of all people, has made several posts to claim some D1 credit that he could ride. Sure he voted El Barto, but not considering bussers D2 lead to an auto ML. I am not sure he is a wolf. But what he has done so far is prolly in his range so yeah.
Did think #503 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851064&viewfull=1#post2053851064) was villagery from u and it was what i was referring to EOD of day 2
lol idk it just looked weird
Man the more I am just staring at the ISO of Rask the less convinced he's wolf to me so yeah -> :curtain:
replies in blue
One thing I wanna say before backreading is that I didn't like Suibian reaction to Visor push. I can certainly relate since I have been sussed since game start and it's really annoying but iirc, it was just the second time (anyone corrects me here if I am wrong) someone dared to say Suibian might not be a villager and she eructed both times. Not sure that's AI, because I don't know her and it could be a lot of things, but felt like mentionning it. (because both time it was noticable).
How dare you?!? But seriously, people have floated possible suspicion on me and gone back and forth all game it feels like. I don't quite mind suspicion on me, well I mean I do of course, but it's mafia I typically expect some suspicion especially when people don't know me. If you think this is an eruption, you should have seen my response to getting pushed years ago, I'm downright zen now. Now usually my strongest reactions are against pushes that don't feel faithful to me or if I just happen to be annoyed in the moment. In ender's case, I spent the night thinking he was scum and was annoyed to find there was a fake claim that had muddled my thoughts. I thought visor's expectations for how I was supposed to be regarding barto day one wrong in part and a bit unreasonable for the other. And I did wonder if part of that came from me questioning the claim. The other response had nothing to do with visor and had everything to do with how I feel about my own scum game and me imagining a world where I actually feel confident and expect sleep to be deadweight. That was all in good fun, it really did just make my day to imagine it.
Votal 3.3 (again but with a timer)
Sleep (3) - Cape (#736 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851299&viewfull=1#post2053851299)), Ender (#777 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851340&viewfull=1#post2053851340)), Jan (#796 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851359&viewfull=1#post2053851359))
Rask (2) - Syn (#721 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851284&viewfull=1#post2053851284)), Visor (#758 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851321&viewfull=1#post2053851321))
Cape (1) - Sleep (#811 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851379&viewfull=1#post2053851379))
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eod3
vote: sleep
Vote: siubian
yeehaw
i'm changing tactics
For you. Mostly.
vote: Raskolnikov
Might as well
Vote: Jan
(Visor, I am considering your posts about Suibian. It's just so different from what I'd do as a wolf in that case, dunno. like I would hope for a no-show to gym up D2, rather than bus them D1... to me it's just the less probable bus from Tak wagon but I will certainly consider it)
vote:sleep
gonna make a placeholder since it worked well last time :curtain:
i dont think rask/cape are w/w so either sleep is a wolf or something went terribly wrong
personally i dont think rask is a wolf anymore (and if they are, they can only be with sleep or suibian) but if syn/visor still think so they know rask better than me so go with god. I doubt I'll be voting them
vote: sleep
vote: cape
Sleep (3) - Cape (#736 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851299&viewfull=1#post2053851299)), Ender (#777 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851340&viewfull=1#post2053851340)), Ladd
Rask (2) - Syn (#721 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851284&viewfull=1#post2053851284)), Jan
Cape (1) - Sleep, Visor
Jan (1) - Rask
I think that is correct?
Votal 3.4
Sleep (3) - Cape (#736 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851299&viewfull=1#post2053851299)), Ender (#777 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851340&viewfull=1#post2053851340)), ladd (#900 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851470&viewfull=1#post2053851470))
Rask (2) - Syn (#721 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851284&viewfull=1#post2053851284)), Jan (#872 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851442&viewfull=1#post2053851442))
Cape (2) - Sleep (#811 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851379&viewfull=1#post2053851379)), Visor (#909 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851479&viewfull=1#post2053851479))
Jan (1) - Rask (#877 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851447&viewfull=1#post2053851447))
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eod3
Friendly reminder to be nice to other players and come to me if you have any issues.
Today is not the day for paranoia for obvious reasons but my head is all over the place right now and I don't like it.
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 01:00
my memory of tammy as mafia was mostly her rolling over and dying but this was over a decade ago now (i will never stop trolling her about this)
don't think she'd be the type to bus but hard to defend a person who barely posted anything. i have played with her more recently than anyone here and think she's just town though
if someone bussed i'm not gonna be able to find them today and every time i try to do something like that it ends up being a throw
vote: ender
sheeping ladd tbh
Found this. Iirc the only mention about Ladd before that was that he had not posted many AI things. So potential TMI?
Suibian: it feels like you have played a lot with Sleep before (I can't remember myself, maybe a game or two, a turbo? so I don't have actual meta)? What kind of wolf is he?
Today is not the day for paranoia for obvious reasons but my head is all over the place right now and I don't like it.
Spill the beans
vote: cape
what warranted you to vote me?
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 01:02
Vote: Cape
This is so true.
If the pr claims are true we likely just have a winning poe here.
If they are wrong we will only find out later in the game.
Either way, it is really hard to be motivated to go for a new solve right now.
You could wagon me right now I while I would mock you for being terrible I would not honestly care.
i kinda dont like this post :/
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 01:06
Today is not the day for paranoia for obvious reasons but my head is all over the place right now and I don't like it.
"today is not the day but I am posting to put that paranoia itt, now"
https://media.tenor.com/VwjPMbXfpUYAAAAC/bip-bip.gif
"I am so townie"
:curtain:
My big question is just who is afraid of visor?
Like honestly?
Homefield advantage is okay, but outside of following the capable players on a wolf lunch (while moaning about it) he legit did nothing d1.
And we can talk about the potential of a washed-up old man all day, but honestly ...
Who is afraid of visor?
I disagree though that Visor "did nothing" day 1
Visor doing nothing usually gets him in a lot of trouble day 1 from what i have seen and it really didnt look like that this game to me at all
Spill the beans
syn being so focussed on rask while visors vote is just jumping everywhere.
technically visor should at least confirm the existence of both syn and ender.
But like ... I have trouble thinking the poe is correct as it stands and if it is not then my head is just spinning through all the mech worlds, which we should never look into today anyway.
Force wolves to make kills and if we hit a wolf today that just confirms more than before.
Even if I don't think the poe likely has 2 wolves hitting one in there today and moving on from there tomorrow is kind of the go to play.
But like I have trouble between rask and cape to find the wolf and sleep to me is a coinflip.
(don't think rask/cape are w/w with the stuff happening today. rask got too annoyed at cape I think.)
I disagree though that Visor "did nothing" day 1
Visor doing nothing usually gets him in a lot of trouble day 1 from what i have seen and it really didnt look like that this game to me at all
outside of tying the wolfwagon at eod - from the top of your head what did visor do that was memorable?
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 01:09
This will remain as the comedy chef d'oeuvre of this thread though
"today is not the day but I am posting to put that paranoia itt, now"
https://media.tenor.com/VwjPMbXfpUYAAAAC/bip-bip.gif
"I am so townie"
:curtain:
https://i.gifer.com/8Gs.gif
truthfully i don't really care about that at all
would prefer to leave monty for another day
question
why would you not care about Monty solving the game?
thoughts:
i agree with syn re rask - he is certainly coming across differently than he normally does to me and my first instinct was to just go overcompensating wolf, but on a reskim his posts aren't all that bad and it is likely just a knee jerk reaction and i think i am fine just letting him do his thing, i'd probably err on the side of calling him a mild villager for now
i have no thoughts on monty yet, not unexpected, expect to get there over the next day phase or two
nothing from tammy has seemed AI yet (maybe feeling the desire to explain her playstyle is a touch wolfy? but i'm not going there today anyway)
nothing from ladd moving the needle
wisdom has seemed... bog standard for wisdom so far, either alignment they are going for a pretty simple strategy, expect this read to have more teeth tomorrow
had a few niggling things from jan, but also kind of just want to let play its course right now
not really leaving me with a lot of targets lol
i;m still up in the air about how i feel on syn right now - maybe a touch wolfy
nothing from el barto
nothing from kage
don't recall anything taffy said
gira just joined so shruggos
leaving me with ender, i guess?
though it feels like this is just gonna be a game where i struggle to have strong reads (like every other game)
this is a new definition of doing nothing
just saying
even though I don't get a lot of impressions from these 1st impression reads :p
Visor's defense of monty day 1 comes from a town or mafia
Like I could see both
thanks for coming to this TedTalk
this is a new definition of doing nothing
just saying
even though I don't get a lot of impressions from these 1st impression reads :p
To me sitting on a fence and talking about nothing is very much doing nothing. try again.
don't really think ender is a wolf anymore, thought about it overnight and realised theres no way he makes that move as a wolf when he is basically just turbo punting his team if it backfires
interested to see capes takes
still kinda wanna kill wisdom i think
this kinda rang as villagery to me, but it twas d2 by this time
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 01:19
Visor's defense of monty day 1 comes from a town or mafia
Like I could see both
thanks for coming to this TedTalk
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EnderWiggin
11-03-2023, 01:19
Visor's defense of monty day 1 comes from a town or mafia
Like I could see both
thanks for coming to this TedTalk
You know, I think you're right.
EnderWiggin
11-03-2023, 01:20
Vote: Rask
For ? reasons.
Suibian: it feels like you have played a lot with Sleep before (I can't remember myself, maybe a game or two, a turbo? so I don't have actual meta)? What kind of wolf is he?
I very much respect his scum game. I don't have a lot of in-game personal experience with him as scum. I think the majority of games we've played together have been us town together or me as scum with him as town. I can only think of one game off the top of my head where he was scum while I was town, but I have specced him as scum, either hydra'd or been in games with people who know him better than me and have given their reads on him and why, and talked a bit about his scum game when I've suspected him in games we've been in together. He's very capable as scum, and I just think that as scum he'd at least put more nominal effort in for his team. I don't think losing a team member day one would affect his wim, and the real only way I think he'd maybe dip like he has if is he trusted his partner to make it to the end. And that's a big maybe. He could just be having a bad game sure, but I'm having a hard time believing that he'd just dip in the way that he has as scum.
On the one hand cape is doing weird busywork right now.
Like judging visors villa read on ender after ender softed to visor that he gave him the vest.
On the other hand I want to resolve sleep.
i like how people read me as "yeah cape is doing cape things" eternally and that's mostly their read on me :p
On the one hand cape is doing weird busywork right now.
Like judging visors villa read on ender after ender softed to visor that he gave him the vest.
On the other hand I want to resolve sleep.
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Because I only have 1 vote and we only have 1 lunch per day.
If you have a way to eat the other one for dinner, go ahead.
On the one hand cape is doing weird busywork right now.
Like judging visors villa read on ender after ender softed to visor that he gave him the vest.
On the other hand I want to resolve sleep.
i know im just kinda looking elsewhere since I don't think the game is nearly as simple as Sleep/Rask to me so like, im just kinda looking at logs, I am not convinced Visor is scummy at all from the logs so if you or anyone else got like a sheepable read on like them... or you... or ladd, I am ears, maybe i would say that Visor is more "eh" then Rask at this point though
EnderWiggin
11-03-2023, 01:24
triple tie again? nice?
Ngl I live for one thing in mafia games.
Podracing.
I actually think Visor is the scummiest today out of all the days, kinda feels a tad openwolfy to me
EnderWiggin
11-03-2023, 01:25
On the one hand cape is doing weird busywork right now.
Like judging visors villa read on ender after ender softed to visor that he gave him the vest.
On the other hand I want to resolve sleep.
I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing that and thinking busywork lmao
Ngl I live for one thing in mafia games.
Podracing.
I think it is 3-3-2 tbh. the triple tie was just something my heart wanted.
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 01:26
On the one hand cape is doing weird busywork right now.
Like judging visors villa read on ender after ender softed to visor that he gave him the vest.
On the other hand I want to resolve sleep.
like why? I agree with this read fwiw, I think Cape is getting more heat than he has never had this game and is increasing the workload as a response, but not in a towny way (because he goes back to mostly unrelevant things now). So why not just yeet a wolf toDay, and resolve sleep l8r (whom I am having an hard time thinking this is his scum game, + Suibian's posts etc..)
EnderWiggin
11-03-2023, 01:26
I think it is 3-3-2 tbh. the triple tie was just something my heart wanted.
D:
Shit I thought I made it a 3/3/3
my busy work is being called busy work because it's also lazy work :p
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 01:27
I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing that and thinking busywork lmao
fgs you are killing me lol. Vote him! (instead of me for "lol ties, let random.org decide the game, we will post memes")
EnderWiggin
11-03-2023, 01:27
Okay yeah I forgot to move Jan off Rask in my head.
Rip.
EnderWiggin
11-03-2023, 01:28
fgs you are killing me lol. Vote him! (instead of me for "lol ties, let random.org decide the game, we will post memes")
I almost never leave it on ties and you know this.
Lemme have my fun.
question
why would you not care about Monty solving the game?
Monty doesn't play like a bog standard mu player
Why would I read him like one
Okay yeah I forgot to move Jan off Rask in my head.
Rip.
I did the same when I said triple tie. :P
EnderWiggin
11-03-2023, 01:28
Also Sui being the only real strong voice on Sleep being town and also being my prime suspect for partner is wolfy interesting.
Monty doesn't play like a bog standard mu player
Why would I read him like one
There are guides! He could learn to be an interchangeable peon!
Vote: Cape
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 01:30
Lemme have my fun.
https://media4.giphy.com/media/NCjISbEPFxm48/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952ufmffaif7yqd457o04nkf12nm6lzegao8b8qnele&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
There are guides! He could learn to be an interchangeable peon!
Vote: Cape
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I'm currently rereading through the game to read through cape, and I've read a bunch of syn posts that have me back to not worrying about them.
I think I mostly got worried because the only thing I remember from today is a couple pop-ins that are just "rask scum". Which might not be fair actually. The beginning of the week is my busiest time, so I definitely could have missed some posts, but regardless I think I'm over that concern.
no that sounds pretty accurate
Votal 3.5
Cape (4) - Sleep (#811 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851379&viewfull=1#post2053851379)), Visor (#909 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851479&viewfull=1#post2053851479)), Rask (#921 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851491&viewfull=1#post2053851491)), Jan (#958 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851528&viewfull=1#post2053851528))
Sleep (2) - Cape (#736 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851299&viewfull=1#post2053851299)), ladd (#900 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851470&viewfull=1#post2053851470))
Rask (2) - Syn (#721 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851284&viewfull=1#post2053851284)), Ender (#937 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851507&viewfull=1#post2053851507))
https://media3.giphy.com/media/JFZ7NhsIeHAIHAjcAt/giphy.webp?cid=ecf05e473jbsnxmzvl8iiqfvnqqn9ddup9o94trz1lv5fcfg&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.webp&ct=g
eod3
EnderWiggin
11-03-2023, 01:31
Vote: Sleep
2 way tie, fiiiiine.
(Though probably leaving this vote on so lol)
EnderWiggin
11-03-2023, 01:32
Votal 3.5
Sleep (3) - Cape (#736 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851299&viewfull=1#post2053851299)), ladd (#900 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851470&viewfull=1#post2053851470)), Jan (#931 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851501&viewfull=1#post2053851501))
Cape (3) - Sleep (#811 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851379&viewfull=1#post2053851379)), Visor (#909 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851479&viewfull=1#post2053851479)), Rask (#921 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851491&viewfull=1#post2053851491))
Rask (2) - Syn (#721 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851284&viewfull=1#post2053851284)), Ender (#937 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851507&viewfull=1#post2053851507))
https://media3.giphy.com/media/JFZ7NhsIeHAIHAjcAt/giphy.webp?cid=ecf05e473jbsnxmzvl8iiqfvnqqn9ddup9o94trz1lv5fcfg&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.webp&ct=g
eod3
You missed Jan's flip to Cape.
Also rip not a tie still I'm bad at vote counts
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 01:33
Piastri with an Alpine suit lmao. Nice meme Gemma
fgs you are killing me lol. Vote him! (instead of me for "lol ties, let random.org decide the game, we will post memes")
So u wolf? Cuz like none of this happened, ur dumbing it down, especially with Jan's push on you/ ladd's push on you, you can say what u want about me, like I was nullreading you and I have been pushing Sleep all day over you
I don't know what to make about how much Rask flips his reads. It's weird because it's one of the things that I've read townie from Ladd, but with Rask it sometimes feels like the switches come from nowhere. And this is an unfair complaint because I've been criticized for giving people whiplash in games before.
I really wish that Syn posted more about why they have rask as such a lock scum read, and while I'm feeling some doubt, I'm reminded of one of my earliest games at mtgs when a bunch of them scum read someone I was town reading and after the game got scolded for not trusting people who had actual meta.
I did reread through cape and his tone is fine, and he does seem to go back and forth, but I don't have a good townread though I feel like I should. I don't know.
I do not think that sleep is going to flip scum, but I'm not going to fight that too hard when he doesn't think he'll have the time to turn it around and has kinda given up and thinks he should be voted. I don't think I have the actual heart to vote for him though.
no that sounds pretty accurate
you being around just to confirm the singularity that is your day is precious.
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 01:35
So u wolf? Cuz like none of this happened, ur dumbing it down, especially with Jan's push on you/ ladd's push on you, you can say what u want about me, like I was nullreading you and I have been pushing Sleep all day over you
I think you missread that post. This is me mocking Ender's and many CFCers behaviour at EODs (Dolby comes to mind too).
Also Sui being the only real strong voice on Sleep being town and also being my prime suspect for partner is wolfy interesting.
I'm completely aware that if he goes and I'm wrong on him, I'll be going the next day and that's a shrug.
I kinda just feel like with the threadstate Sleep is just wolf
Like I would just go Sleep > Rask? > Visor? (these 2 can swap, but i kinda find both like sorta towny though) > Jan > Suibian > ladd
I am struggling finding wolves here honestly, yall pretty towny
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 01:39
I don't know what to make about how much Rask flips his reads. It's weird because it's one of the things that I've read townie from Ladd, but with Rask it sometimes feels like the switches come from nowhere. And this is an unfair complaint because I've been criticized for giving people whiplash in games before.
I really wish that Syn posted more about why they have rask as such a lock scum read, and while I'm feeling some doubt, I'm reminded of one of my earliest games at mtgs when a bunch of them scum read someone I was town reading and after the game got scolded for not trusting people who had actual meta.
I did reread through cape and his tone is fine, and he does seem to go back and forth, but I don't have a good townread though I feel like I should. I don't know.
I do not think that sleep is going to flip scum, but I'm not going to fight that too hard when he doesn't think he'll have the time to turn it around and has kinda given up and thinks he should be voted. I don't think I have the actual heart to vote for him though.
Which switch are you talking about? I know it's not the time for lenghty posts but I can still provide pointers if you ask for them? I do tend to avoid posting all the things that go in my head. For the best, trust me.
unvote: Rask
vote: Sleep
would rather chop sleep than cape
I am 24-1 this year. The 1 is Anni where town lost because they didn't shoot my top suspect after I died n1 and he power wolfed
get rekt
-2023 anni wolf team member Cape btw :)
idk why i read that
I kinda just feel like with the threadstate Sleep is just wolf
Like I would just go Sleep > Rask? > Visor? (these 2 can swap, but i kinda find both like sorta towny though) > Jan > Suibian > ladd
I am struggling finding wolves here honestly, yall pretty towny
visor being a wolf is incompatible with a world where you also think I am a villager
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 01:40
get rekt
-2023 anni wolf team member Cape btw :)
idk why i read that
that was a most excellent post. very villagery too. highly recommanded
EnderWiggin
11-03-2023, 01:42
I think you missread that post. This is me mocking Ender's and many CFCers behaviour at EODs (Dolby comes to mind too).
Stabbed through the heart, and you're to blame. You give love, a bad name.
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 01:42
unvote: Rask
vote: Sleep
would rather chop sleep than cape
https://media.tenor.com/3XyRJAqQt8gAAAAC/chandler-chandler-bing.gif
(RIP my friend)
visor being a wolf is incompatible with a world where you also think I am a villager
there is a world where wolves lied about being hit and killed the person u vigged instead of Visor
I'm completely aware that if he goes and I'm wrong on him, I'll be going the next day and that's a shrug.
It will be funny if one of the few games I'm not paranoid of him turns out to be his scum game and he's playing way off what I expect of him as scum though!
https://media.tenor.com/3XyRJAqQt8gAAAAC/chandler-chandler-bing.gif
(RIP my friend)
when you NK me tonight I hope it's really inconvenient for you
there is a world where wolves lied about being hit and killed the person u vigged instead of Visor
If I am lying about being hit it means ender is a wolf with me
Votal 3.6
Cape (4) - Sleep (#811 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851379&viewfull=1#post2053851379)), Visor (#909 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851479&viewfull=1#post2053851479)), Rask (#921 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851491&viewfull=1#post2053851491)), Jan (#958 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851528&viewfull=1#post2053851528))
Sleep (4) - Cape (#736 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851299&viewfull=1#post2053851299)), ladd (#900 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851470&viewfull=1#post2053851470)), Ender (#963 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851533&viewfull=1#post2053851533)), Syn (#973 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154906-Cereal-killer-mafia?p=2053851543&viewfull=1#post2053851543))
https://media.giphy.com/media/sbo3T07YAI4k8h4dG9/giphy.gif
eod3
EnderWiggin
11-03-2023, 01:45
If I am lying about being hit it means ender is a wolf with me
Ssssh.
We just sipping martinis in wolfchat.
Damn rask isn't even a wagon
EnderWiggin
11-03-2023, 01:45
The structure of these wagons hits a wolf.
Which switch are you talking about? I know it's not the time for lenghty posts but I can still provide pointers if you ask for them? I do tend to avoid posting all the things that go in my head. For the best, trust me.
In general it seemed like you gave reads then a few posts later went back on those reads then a bit later had other reads. There's not time for me to go back and look all over, and it doesn't look like you're going anywhere today so I can come back to it tomorrow.
there is a world where wolves lied about being hit and killed the person u vigged instead of Visor
why tho
nobody thought monty was a PR (taffy just saying random things SOD D2 doesn't count), and monty was a counterwagon that survived by way of rand. there was no wolf incentive to NK him
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 01:47
Ssssh.
We just sipping martinis in wolfchat.
With Syn, Jan, and Ladd? Cuth, this was really a bad idea. fr
If I am lying about being hit it means ender is a wolf with me
That's not true.
Ssssh.
We just sipping martinis in wolfchat.
did u give a vest to anyone else last night or visor again?
EnderWiggin
11-03-2023, 01:48
With Syn, Jan, and Ladd? Cuth, this was really a bad idea. fr
Nah, Syn's our helper but isn't invited to Martinis.
EnderWiggin
11-03-2023, 01:48
did u give a vest to anyone else last night or visor again?
Myself.
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 01:48
In general it seemed like you gave reads then a few posts later went back on those reads then a bit later had other reads. There's not time for me to go back and look all over, and it doesn't look like you're going anywhere today so I can come back to it tomorrow.
Sure. But wolves will have to NK me after Cape's flip (lololol).
did u give a vest to anyone else last night or visor again?
wait actually don't answer that
uh
could you theoretically clear yourself by giving a vest to someone else?
yes or no
anyway here's a list with absolutely no supporting information provided
i am a man of the people
syn
ender
visor
suibian
jan
cape
ladd
sleep
rask
EnderWiggin
11-03-2023, 01:50
On one hand I think Sleep wolf over Cape.
on the other hand the urge to break the tie late makes my fingers itch
anyway here's a list with absolutely no supporting information provided
i am a man of the people
syn
ender
visor
suibian
jan
cape
ladd
sleep
rask
have you talked about your ladd read at any point?
On one hand I think Sleep wolf over Cape.
on the other hand the urge to break the tie late makes my fingers itch
may you be on the frontlines of the next emu war
Raskolnikov
11-03-2023, 01:52
anyway here's a list with absolutely no supporting information provided
i am a man of the people
syn
ender
visor
suibian
jan
cape
ladd
sleep
rask
Welcome on board Ladd. Dw, it's fun.
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